The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 18000-6/6/2002-06:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Mike - Those Philco machines did not agitate in the typical back and forth or up and down manner. I am not technically proficient but I will try to explain. Near the bottom of the agitator there was a wavy heavy rubber disc that moved rapidly in an orbital fashion. This created fast moving waves of water in the tub that gently loosened dirt from the clothes. Over the years Philco had several names for it. It was introdiced in 1958 on the first Philco Bendix "Automagic" washer and it was referred to as "high frequency" washing action and supposedly produced up to 600 waves of water per minute. In the early 1960's it was called "undertow agitation" because the action pulled the clothes in, down and around. Later in the 60's and until Philco got out of appliances it was called "blades of water" and/or "flex- a- wash". It seems to me that that action was in effect a forerunner of the Whirlpool/Sears "Calypso" wash motion. I always thought these machines were fascinating and unique and they were actually very effective in washing.
For a more technical explanation, you could look to our webmaster Robert (Unimatic) since he has completely restored a '59 Automagic and has some very detailed pictures of that posted, or perhaps Greg (gansky 1).
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Post# 18001-6/6/2002-06:59 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
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RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hullo Mein Herr!
Nice to have you back from hollies and glad to hear you had a good time.
Getting down to bussiness, our old Siemens top loader, I am pretty sure, did four rinses and so did our FL Hoover. Tell me, do the new FL machines use a larger fill for rinses,than they do for washing? I am just trying to picture a 5 kilo load being rinsed out in 30(?) liters of water (assuming a 15 liter fill per rinse). You'd have to be pretty sparing with your soap.
Waiting with baited breath to hear from you.
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Post# 18002-6/6/2002-07:08 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: That is very interesting angus. So, how did this machine rate in the performance stakes? Was it similar to the Frigidaire machines in gentleness and effectiveness? What about the agitator shaft, did that move about in an orbital fashion also or was it stationary?
Somebody mentioned several weeks ago that the Philco TL's were quite ahead of their time and looking at Gansky's find I would have to agree. Large lids and wide openings have certainly made a comeback.
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Post# 18003-6/6/2002-07:13 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
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RE: Wonderful!! (Back On Line)
MESSAGE: That's one thing I noticed, too - all the TLs I used on holiday had a lid lock, and would only open during fill. They did a fine job of washing, but it would have been nice to be able to check up on things halfway through. Just to satisfy one's curiosity, of course!
This is something I don't get; TLs sold for domestic use over here just cut out when the lid is opened, as did those I used in the guest laundry while I was staying in the US. Perhaps it's just a liability thing with commercial settings here.
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Post# 18004-6/6/2002-07:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
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RE: Hoover New Wave (Candy washers in Aus)
MESSAGE: Candy washers are sold here - sort of.
There is a company called DEC (discount Electrical Centres) with a chain of stores who sell mainly TVs and videos, but also carry some washers, dishwashers and fridges. They sell an odd mix of ex-rental, factory seconds and new mystery brand stuff. They import a lot of used and factory second grade appliances from the UK and a little from elsewhere in Europe. Much of what they sell is models not normally sold in Aus. They appear to carry some parts but basically it appears that they don't care if parts are available here or not. I have a Candy machine which they imported, it needs a suspension part and a new lid and drum weight. (the lump of concrete) I went to their nearest store in Geelong, they advised that only their Northcote store carries parts - an extra hours drive away. The model number has been removed from the machine so I can't order a part direct from UK/Europe. The ethics of this operation are rather dubious in my opinion. I got the machine for nothing so I have no complaint with them, but pity the poor mug who paid $500 or so for it new.
I also found a Candy Washer/Dryer on a roadside cleanup some years ago. The blower for the dryer had rusted out but the washer worked fine. I gave it to an in-law who used it for several years. I assume it was a private import.
Candy washers aren't sold here through official channels.
Hoover did have a UK assembled FL till this year (?) above the Beko clone, was it a Candy in disguise?
Chris.
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Post# 18005-6/6/2002-07:32 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Hi Angus
I think hoiday brain syndrome....never clicked it was the same agitation method as Roberts 59 Automagic, I had the honour of seeing his machines last year at the convention....and come to think of it I have downloaded the video of the agitation flapper unit working out of the cabinet....
My favorite still has to be the 57 Lady Kenmore, just love that action and that hazy ozone lamp!!
Mike
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Post# 18006-6/6/2002-08:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike -
The '66 washer used a similar type of wobble plate with a rubber flapper as the first Automagic in 1959. The one Jimmy brought home (as well as most others on the farm) had the rubber flapper still intact, but badly dried and shriveled. Jimmy did find one that was in OK shape which he brought back, but the biggest problem will be finding the other rubber parts below the agitator that connect the agitator to the tub, cover the agitator joints and spin hub, etc. It will be a challenge to find these rubber parts, not to mention getting the pump running again, and the possibility of the problems with the mechanism, etc. as Robert had.
The 1960 Miss "A" that I brought home has a little different design for the agitator, more similar to the 1959 Robert restored last year. The major difference is that 1960 was the first year of the perforated tub vs. the solid tub with perforated liner that was on the 59's. There is still the ball-point balance system that all but eliminates out of balance conditions in the spin. I think I have most of the rubber parts that I will need for this model, and I have a box full of Philco odds and ends (seals, etc.) that may be handy for this machine also. Of course, there are a few machines in line ahead of Miss "A" in the garage, so it may be a while before I get to her!
Consumer's reports for 1961 and 1966 listed the Philco washers as average in washing ability, poor sand disposal, average or below in spin performance and below average in frequency of repair records. None of this matters though, it is still too fabulous of machine to care what CR thought! All I have for Philco information is the Repair-Master book which does not give any stats on OPM of agitation nor RPM of the spin cycle, Robert may know more of that.
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Post# 18007-6/6/2002-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
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RE: After five calls to technical support (Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent.
From what I can see most of the talk of new Hotpoint appliances is regarding the UK Hotpoint brand, not Hotpoint in USA. (though they are related through common GE heritage.)
I am in Australia so I can't comment if there are in fact new Hotpoint appliances in USA but I don't recall reading any mention of them.
Chris.
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Post# 18008-6/6/2002-08:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
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RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Richtoo.
re 4 rinses - My Hotpoint 9560W of late eighties vintage does 4 rinses on most cycles. The stepped floor of the outer drum means it holds some suds behind after pumping out so it still rinses poorly despite doing 4 rinses with a spin after each rinse. (usually a formula for good rinsing)
My Asko does 5 rinses with selectable high/low water level for all rinses. Only has 1 intermediate spin and 1 final spin so rinses poorly despite all the rinses.
Pacific (Gorenje) FL's had 4 rinses. (early eighties)
One of my dead Bendixes does 4 rinses.
Old Aussie-made Hoover FL's (Zodiac and Electra-economiser series) did 5 rinses (but only 2 spins)
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 18009-6/6/2002-08:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Greg - I would imagine that parts for those machines are very dear. I will never understand the design and placement of the Philco dryer lint filter - considering how progressive the washer design was. I have to believe that was not a big positive selling point on those dryers. AFter all, would you really want to get down on the floor, remove the front toe panel and go behind another door to clean out the lint filter after every load? I remember the Consumer Reports ratings of Philco dryers in the 1960's always mentioned the inconvenience of the lint filters which were behind (as CR reported) "flimsy access panels which were hard to close securely".
I also wonder why these machines were deemed so unreliable. I mean that I understand that this was based on reader response, but what were the particular problem areas?? I don't think they ever elaborated.
Of course, even with all that said, you were so fortunate to find those and of course I still want one. THis is definitely a piece of history!! Final question - was the Miss America you found the one with the 8 pushbuttons as pictured in the "Wanted" section? That would have been the exact machine my neighbors had. SHould have kept my eye on that one. IT was hardly ever used since at that time we all had septic tanks and their side of the street had such poor drainage they had to choose between the washer and the shower. So, to the coin laundry they went............ Sadly, Miss America took a powder when we got sewers in 1980.................
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Post# 18010-6/6/2002-09:18 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
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RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Goodness I am getting silly - replying to my own posts.
I think the reason that the number of rinses have gone down in recent years is detergent technology and energy ratings.
Earlier designs used to do several rinses immmediately after the wash without doing any intermediate spins. This was in case any foaming was present - the idea was to dilute the water/soap residue several times before attempting a spin as spinning with suds between the drums whips up a fantastic lather and overloads the motor.
Current machines with spins directly after the wash and between all rinses rely on detergents that produce almost no suds. Many also have suds detection to change programme if excess suds are detected. The low energy ratings are based on low suds detergents and no excess suds being detected. Spinning the load after every wash/rinse dramatically improves the effectiveness of the rinses, so less rinses are needed overall.
Chris.
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Post# 18011-6/6/2002-09:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
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RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Peter)
MESSAGE: My Wascomats are the commercial machines, not the Frigemore's with the coin slides. Wascomat is the American commercial laundry branch of Electrolux. They are known as Wascator in Europe, and Elux owns Frigidaire amongst many other brands worldwide. They are in no way linked to GE. I do have six GE coin-op machines, and they are fantastic -- real workhorses, but very H2O wasteful.
-ph
LINK: www. wascomat.com
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Post# 18012-6/6/2002-10:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Wow Greg great pictures. Looks like you've got your work cut out for you. I can't wait to see the Blue tub '66 Philco in action, I've never seen one of those operatre before. I heard from a few old repair techs that they didn't move a thing! Will be interesting to see.
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Post# 18013-6/6/2002-10:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: The phico machines are just a hoot! The rubber plates that cause agitation move in an up-down-and-around fashion, like when you spin a coin on a table and it winds down. One side up, one side down, going round and around. The earlier design probably had better cleaning ability because the rubber wash plate was bigger and the tub smaller. On the later models, the wobble plate was smaller, attached to a helmut shaped holder. The pictures simply do not do justice to the bright, robin's egg blue porcelain tub. The lid is about the size of the machine top, and opens to the right -- it's HUGE and it's backwards! But the dryer door opens to the left, so as a set it makes sense. It's just a high glamour machine!
The Imperial model must have been facing south, as the colored plastic was melted and the buttons swollen and brittle. So sad...
In the pics at the farm, of Jimmy looking for Philco gold, you can see on the left side a WIA-65 sticking up out of the heap. That would have been a keeper for me, but it was totally distroyed.
-ph
-ph
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Post# 18014-6/6/2002-11:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
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RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: If you are referring to the old Siemens non-spinning toploader, then it did five rinses. Most of these small toploaders did five rinses, some of them (like my small Miele) even did six rinses.
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Post# 18015-6/6/2002-11:46 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A Philco Prize!!!)
MESSAGE: What a wonderful catch you got there. I have never seen any Philco's that close and most of them were pictures. IYours are great! I see you have a lot of work ahead of you and good luck with them. At least one works, and that is a good sign. I am sure you will get them all up and running. Good Save There!!! I always had a fondness for Philco's!!!
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Post# 18016-6/6/2002-12:00 ||| winstonsmith (North Carolina)
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Need Info!
MESSAGE: Hey, Everybody! I need information and/or hotos of the earliest dishwashers. Can anyone point me in the right direction? If so, please email me at winstonsmith_99@yahoo.com. Thanks for your help.
Winston
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Post# 18017-6/6/2002-12:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
Thanks for posting the great photos! Looks like you and Jimmy and Peter had a fun time and found some awesome treasures! I especially like Jimmy's 1956 Philco top loader. Boy, I'd love to see that machine in action. I like the agitator...same as was used in Dexter automatics and wringer washers. Did I see a 1955 Frigidaire Imperial control panel face plate lying about?? Where is the rest of the machine?? :-)
Rich
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Post# 18018-6/6/2002-12:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Need Info!
MESSAGE: Hi Winstonsmith, somewhere I know I have an article on the history of dishwashers including pictures, if I can find it tonight I will scan it for you.
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Post# 18019-6/6/2002-14:38 ||| herr-miele (UK)
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RE: Need Info!
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
The article sounds interesting, I will look forward to it too.
Richtoo
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Post# 18020-6/6/2002-14:48 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
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RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Technically my mum's and my nana's Hoover's (1982/1972) had 5 rinses. However, the first rinse followed directly after the main wash, and water filled from the lower level to the higher level (halfway up the door), then the water flowed through an overflow hole at the back of the drum, getting rid of excess suds, and started rinsing from there. It then did a drain only cycle between the 'dilution' rinse and the 1st rinse, then from the 1st rinse followed fill, rinse, drain, spin, fill, rinse, drain, spin, and so on, then after the 4th rinse did the final spin.
My friend's Hotpoint WM25 (last Aquarius series with the classic Hotpoint bar dial and the four option buttons going vertically right next to it, and also the last series with a round door) also did a dilution cycle between the first rinse and main wash; it drained the water, and filled up with water, then drained it, then filled up again etc. for about 2 minutes whilst the load was tumbled to and fro. It then went into the first rinse, and so on, spinning between each one until reaching the final spin. My old Creda just did the distribution cycle, where the clothes are on the sides of the drum but the tub isn't spinning, between the wash and the first rinse.
I must admit, Kirk, one thing I do like about Hotpoint's is their spin cycles between the rinses, they do a short 3 second spin burst to stick the rest of the clothes to the sides of the drum, they carry on with the distribution speed, then speed up again. The later Hotpoints (my WM64 and my friend's WM25) on the second spin spin at low speed for about 10 seconds, then winds up to about 800rpms, then slows down again for the rinsing cycle. Hotpoint's also don't start filling with water as the drum slows down, they wait for about 10 seconds after the drum has stopped. I also like the sound at the first few seconds after the washer starts spinning, that 'WOOH' noise they make, particurlarly like commercial machines.
Kirk, what was your parent's Hoover like? Mine was a 1982 Hoover too, with the one dial that selected the temperature, and three buttons for different cycles; cottons, synthetics and wool, a half load button and a door release button. It was the Hoover Electronic 1100 model, and had a half chrome-half black control panel, with an orange strip dividing the chrome and black.
As I have said before, I think that spray rinsing on front loaders should be more common where the drum is spinning at around 200rpm, this would really improve rinsing performance.
About the 'super rinsing', my Hotpoint does either four low level rinses when super rinse isn't selected, or two low level rinses with the last two being high level. For some reason, during the super rinse fill, the drum doesn't stay stationary, but it rotates anti clockwise for about 5 seconds, stopping for 10, then continuing the cycle until the fill cycle has finished. Also, isn't the Higher Water Level on Bosch models the same as a super rinse?
Surgilator
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Post# 18021-6/6/2002-15:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
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RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
The reason behind the Hotpoint interval spin pattern is to "ease" the water out of the load gradually, so there's less chance of it sitting in the tub and being whipped up into suds by the spinning drum. After the first run-up, the water more or less drains away completely before the drum speeds up again. The Zanussi you're considering does exactly the same thing, as does my Bosch; I think it's pretty much standard operation nowadays.
My folks never had a Hoover, although the square door models from the 80s, leading all the way up to the EcoLogic, are still favourites of mine - those are the machines my aunt always had. When the New Wave was around, it was one of the machines I recommended to them, but they decided on the Hotpoint instead. Needless to say, after that mistake, they now heed my advice on appliance matters LOL.
I think it would be interesting to see a front loader with a spray rinse. Perhaps we will someday, as another means of skipping a rinse to shorten cycle times.
The Higher Water Level button on the Bosch is more or less the same thing as Super Rinse, except it increases the water level on every single rinse. Usually, I select this option every time, unless I'm doing a smallish load.
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Post# 18022-6/6/2002-15:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Truthfully, I hadn't even thought about the lint filters in the dryers until I was out taking pics to post last night. Odd decision to keep them down there all those years - this filter was a Bendix design from about 1956-57, guess there were other problems that needed solving first and they never got around to the filter locations.
The Miss America panel that was on this one of mine was a little different than the WANTED section picture. The one I removed was similar, but the buttons were more of a piano key style rather than actual buttons on the face of the panel, and the nameplate on the front cabinet says Philco-Bendix.
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Post# 18023-6/6/2002-15:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Work cut out for me is right! Rust and more rust on that Miss "A" washer of mine - I may send that cabinet out to be done if the insides are restorable...I don't paint well anyway!
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Post# 18024-6/6/2002-16:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Hi Rich -
That 56 Philco is a very cool machine - was a POD here a couple of times recently too. I brought that machine home from the junkyard I found here in NE a few months ago. It literally was the only vintage washer on the property (excluding wringers) and I really didn't want to come home emptyhanded. I'm so glad Jimmy is excited about that machine, I didn't have a great deal of interest in it so it will be going to a loving home.
That 1955 Frigidaire Imperial washer panel was from the last unimatic (which had already been scavenged for parts - by none other than our very own Uni!) on the farm. The pump was gone already, so I took some other parts, the mechanism, motor, etc. Peter took the face panel with him and we left the destroyed tub and cabinet shell out on the farm. No simple task getting that mechanism out, but it will be nice to have for parts.
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Post# 18025-6/6/2002-16:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Post your pictures??)
MESSAGE: Did you take pictures of the Imperial, Peter? I should have taken more pictures (or the top to that machine) it was such a cool color.....
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Post# 18026-6/6/2002-17:29 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
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AEG 50435
MESSAGE: Whilst doing a search on Pricerunner tonight, I found an AEG washing machine on sale for £229.99. It is the 50435 model, and is identical to the 50430 model, but instead has a spin and rinse hold selection dial instead of the spin speed reduction and rinse hold buttons.
This may well be the end to my new washer search. The AEG has the programme dial/temperature control programme selection, rather than preset programmes on a dial, as with my Hotpoint (e.g. the 95oc cycle is the intensive cycle, 60oC the regular cycle, 40oC the short cycle). It's also what I think extremely good value for money.
Looking at the manual I downloaded from the Service Force website, it seems to only do 2 rinses, for on the dial it has a rinse part, and a conditioner part. The main wash also has three wash cycle selections: with no options it is the normal cycle, with the stain option it is the longer cycle, and with the quick wash option it is, obviously, the quick wash cycle.
surgilator
The manual can be downloaded from the link below: (Please note the manual is a pdf file, right click on the link and select save target as to download to your computer)
LINK: http://www.serviceforce.co.uk/pdfs/U20366.pdf
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Post# 18027-6/6/2002-18:14 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Now that I've seen the pics and jogged the old RAM chips a bit, I do recall the Philco dryer at the friends who had the washer (with that round window door -- it was always scary to me for some reason!). I remember the bottom panel was loose and taped in place.
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Post# 18028-6/6/2002-18:15 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
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RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info foraloysius. Truthfully, I can't remember exactly how many rinses our little non-spinning Siemens did, thinking it was four, but there you go, five it was then. Maybe our old Hoover did five as well.
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Post# 18029-6/6/2002-18:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
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RE: AEG 50435
MESSAGE: That really is an amazing price! If you can buy an AEG for £230, why does anyone have the need nowadays to buy crap like Indesit or Servis? I know which I'd go for.
The AEG probably does 3 rinses on the cottons cycle. The "Rinse" sector of the dial usually includes two rinsing stages; very rarely is each rinse marked individually. The "Conditioner" sector does one further rinse, with intake of fabric softener.
Overall, I like the way the AEG controls work. You set each parameter individually, so you've really got quite a large combination of cycles to choose from. And it's really easy to understand - no doubt you could easily start washing without even reading the manual.
Even at that price, I don't think you'd have any problems with the AEG not lasting - a classic appliance for the future, perhaps!
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Post# 18030-6/6/2002-19:17 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
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RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Hello All,
My HE3T does 2 rinses. On the Whitest Whites setting, it will default a 3rd rinse, but you can cancel it. You can do a extra rinse (3rd) as a option on any cycle, but you really don't need it. It actually steps up the water level as it cycles to the last rinse. It will spray rinse after the main wash. Sprays while the tub is spinning very fast in fact, for about 1.5 mins, with the tub slowing down by gravity and the water in the clothes. If you have bleach in the dispenser, it will spray that on the clothes after the first wash. I think this helps to pull the bleach through the clothes, then it goes into it's usual tumble 1st rinse. When it spins after the first rinse, it then does the same thing with the fabric softner, pulling it through the clothes, then going into the normal tumble rinse. There is an "Express Wash" cycle that only tumbles and drains the water after the wash without spinning, then it starts the first rinse. You can see how important a spin is because of the amount of soap left in the clothes. It compensates this by using a good bit more of water through the 2 rinses, actually getting it all out. It is a very good machine. I am still amazed at how much clothing it can handle, and clean so well.
Brent
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Post# 18031-6/6/2002-19:18 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
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RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: Do you guys or anyone else have pictures to share of the Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders? I would love to see them.
Brent
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Post# 18032-6/6/2002-19:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Does yours spin pretty easily, or does the out of balance computer thing fuss a lot and make it keep starting over?
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Post# 18033-6/6/2002-19:22 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
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RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone!
MESSAGE: Yay! I am so glad that some one rescued that lovely looking Philco washer.
I wonder how mcuh it would cost to ship one to Australia...
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Post# 18034-6/6/2002-19:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
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RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Hiya Brent,
Thanks for the further info. Apparently an equivalent to the HE3t/Duet is due for release over here sometime in the near future, so perhaps other European machines will adopt a similar system eventually - it will be interesting to see.
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Post# 18035-6/6/2002-19:36 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
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RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: On the first 2 spins it goes into the spin without the stopping and starting. It does however do this step speed spin thing. It spins really fast, then slows down and you can hear it drain water it pulled from the clothes, then it starts spinning faster and faster. On the last spin, that is a different story. From what I have learned from a HE3T tech, it's goal is to have most of the water out of the clothes before going into the grand last spin. This is suppose to give the heavy wet clothes a chance to tumble to the outside of the tub and spin the water out. This is how they say it will "reduce wrinkles." The last spin is not supposed to be for getting out the water but for "spin drying" the clothes. Depending on the load of clothes, it can take about 5 times of starting and stopping with reverse tumbles. On small loads, I have seen it go right to the grand spin
What do you think?
Brent
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Post# 18036-6/6/2002-19:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
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RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: Hiya Brent,
I can get the pics - just haven't got any means of scanning them in yet :o( Once I FINALLY get round to equipping my computer with some form of scanner, I'll upload some pics to the albums, unless another member can beat me to it in the meantime :o)
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Post# 18037-6/6/2002-19:39 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
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RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: I WOULD LOVE THAT!
BRENT
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Post# 18038-6/6/2002-19:41 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
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RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: Oh, one thing I forgot to mention; if it's the new models you want to see, try www.hoover.co.uk and www.hotpoint.co.uk - both sites feature pics of the current machines.
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Post# 18039-6/6/2002-19:44 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
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RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: Hopefully within the next week or two! Watch this space...
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Post# 18040-6/6/2002-19:44 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: I WILL DO THAT.
WOULD STILL LOVE TO SEE THE VINTAGE AND OLDER MODELS.
I WONDER IF WE HAD THOSE MODELS IN THE USA?
BRENT
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Post# 18041-6/6/2002-19:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (THANKS KIRK)
MESSAGE: Pretty sure I still have some literature stored away with all my paperwork, although I think it only goes back as far as about 5 years. Even in that relatively short space of time, however, it's still amazing how much things have changed with regards to the technology and styling.
I'm certain the models we had weren't available in the USA. The two markets are completely different, and the product offerings reflect this. While Hotpoint UK and GE had quite strong links, I'm under the impression that very few of the products manufactured here were ever exported anywhere. And, of course, Hoover UK and Hoover USA parted company several years ago, and the only thing they now share is their trading name.
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Post# 18042-6/6/2002-20:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Post your pictures??)
MESSAGE: I always liked the way the blue started way up at the top where the "contour top" began to slant to the tub opening.......... That was a really cool blue....
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Post# 18043-6/6/2002-20:09 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: You mean we're going to get the confusing example of a Whirlpool "American Collection" machine that's made in Germany? Cool, especially if it's the Bauknecht version in the link below.
Are these on general sale on the continent yet does anyone know? Louis?
LINK: http://www.prco.de/pz/news.php?id=103&offset=8&pz=on
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Post# 18044-6/6/2002-20:12 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (The Skinny Mini)
MESSAGE: Greg:
Enjoyed all of the photos and especially glad to see someone rescue one of the Frigidaires with the Agi-tub. I had one of those and it, too, was ahead of its time.
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Post# 18045-6/6/2002-20:17 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: AEG 50435
MESSAGE: I'd go for it, that's a damn good price for any machine, let alone a decent quality German one! That's probably the closest thing AEG make now to what my parents have (a OKO_Lavamat 645 from about 9/10 years ago), and has the controls I wish my machine had - namely separate cycle and temperature. I'd guess there'll be 3 rinses as standard, maybe a fourth optional by a switch on the machine. AEGs rinse very well though, they usually have a very thorough spin between mainwash-rinse and between rinses.
I don't know what the noise levels will be like, if that worries you, but I'd guess it'll be a bit quieter than your Hotpoint :)
Dave
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Post# 18046-6/6/2002-20:31 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Richtoo,
That would be the almost identical path to my parents, the one difference being the Electra model. I guess yours was the one with buttons (square?) and a digital display? Theirs had three dials, three flip switches and the power button, if I remember right, and was two tone grey. It was a shame about it's reliability, but at least the electricity board gave them something towards the AEG when they wrote off the Electra. They've still got the AEG, you're right they are built like the proverbial tank/ brick khazi, and it still works really well, even if it does sound like it's trying to take off when it ramps up to 1200 for the last couple of minutes of spin :)
I think you're right about Philips making Electra machines as well, I really don't think they were that fussy who made them! My parents first dishwasher was an Electra badged Candy (complete with hidden programs on the dial).
I vaguely remember the first Electra washer my parents had, the rebadged Hoover, it had a square door with a sliding door catch next to it...
Dave
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Post# 18047-6/6/2002-20:38 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support
MESSAGE: I always thought it was
brassic, dunno why, and dunno what that would be rhyming slang for either. Much like the Scots have
rooked, means the same thing.
I think there's plenty others too, but I should go to bed right now and resist the temptation to stick the TV back on to Big Brother...
Dave
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Post# 18048-6/6/2002-20:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, interesting. I only had the opportunity to observe one once, the same weekend I first observed the ubiquitous "Frigmore" in action. It seemed to me that the HE3T took an inordinate amount of time to finally "decide" it was ready to spin, but the way you've explained it, all of these machinations are perhaps for good purpose. The machine was relatively new to its owner at that time as well, and it's quite possible that even he did not realize what all was taking place. Welcome to the club! Scott
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Post# 18049-6/6/2002-21:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: The UK version will be called the Whirlpool Dreamspace. I've seen a pic of it in the trade mags, and it has the same control panel as the TOL WP machines sold here at the moment. Apparently it's not that far off, and will be priced lower than the Neptune as well.
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Post# 18050-6/6/2002-21:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Presumably, the situation with Electra products is similar to that of Sears' Kenmore brand in the USA. Most likely, the company that can build to the required spec at the right price wins the contract, until someone else comes along who can beat it.
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Post# 18051-6/6/2002-21:35 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support
MESSAGE: I just checked with the Oxford dictionary on AOL, and it says the phrase comes from the expression "boracic lint" (whatever that means), which is cockney rhyming slang for "skint". Ya learn something every day!
Sounds like you're addicted to Big Brother too! I've been off work with 'flu the past two days, and have been sitting around all day and night in my boxer shorts watching BB Live on E4. Haven't missed a single minute, which I suppose makes me a bit obsessional come to think of it.
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Post# 18052-6/6/2002-22:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: I always thought the Kenmore/Whirlpool partnership went right back to the 1940's. Except for some items like the FL Frigemore? Kenmore seems much more consistant than Electra.
Maybe someone more knowledgeable could fill us in.
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Post# 18053-6/6/2002-23:21 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Jet Cone agitators)
MESSAGE: I, for one, would most DEFFINATELY like one of those agitators in the pictures. I'm still hoping to find a Frigidaire Jet Cone washer to call my own, and I will be very happy when or if I ever do find one.
How much would you sell one of those agitators for, by the way?
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Post# 18054-6/6/2002-01:12 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (Jet Cone agitators)
MESSAGE: Actually, I've been looking for jet cone agitator as well.
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Post# 18055-6/7/2002-03:33 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: Its a Philco kind of day.
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Post# 18056-6/7/2002-05:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
You are right, my Electra (Creda) had the digital display and the tiny square buttons. I had the grey trimmed version and mum had the brown and cream version.
Aside from its truly appaling reliability, it was a good machine. It washed well and quickly, and had plenty of programmes and options. It was easy to use, turn the dial to whatever programme, and the available options would flash little lights next to their buttons, options unavailable with that programme would not flash and could not be selected.
In some ways, I regret getting rid of my AEG rather than getting it fixed. Don't get me wrong, I love my Miele, but that AEG range was probably one of the best washer ranges ever.
Richtoo
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Post# 18057-6/7/2002-05:16 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk, Dave,
Hands up here, can't help it but I am hooked on BB3. When it started, I thought them an appaling bunch, and now we know them, most are even worse than I first thought. The Channel 4 prgrammes are so bad, the editing is almost non-existant and the live C4 progs so boring. I can not believe we have to pay £10/month to watch the internet video streams, I have not paid.
Despite teh fact teh contestants are awful, the production terrible and C4 is trying to profiteer, I am totally hooked. I feel so sorry for Alex, he is stressed and they pick on him, he is georgeous too. Alison out I say.
Richtoo
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Post# 18058-6/7/2002-05:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk
A Miele customer advisor told me that high level rinses help reduce creases, so I usually set it for high rinsing too. I think she may be right, certainly with high rinses and a perm press cycle with its 3 short bursts of mid speed spin, my cotton cargo pants need no ironing, yet still dry overnight on a clothes horse. Jeans too, with a cotton wash and full fast spin are sufficiently crease free to avoid teh iron.
Richtoo
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Post# 18059-6/7/2002-05:54 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electra?? (Hoover)
MESSAGE: I think that may have been the same model my nana had, she had one with a square door and sliding door catch next to the door, rather than the door release button.
Did your parent's washer had the Hoover programming system I've already mentioned, i.e. the cycle dial with three buttons for different cycles?
surgilator
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Post# 18060-6/7/2002-05:58 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: AEG 50435 (Noise Level)
MESSAGE: The AEG laundry brochure I have with the 50430 model has a noise level of 52dB - that's about the quietest you can get. The 50435 is exactly the same, but with a spinspeed selector.
It should be fair more quieter than my Hotpoint, which is rated at 68dB for washing. However, my kitchen is fully tiled, so this may influence the noise levels as such.
surgilator
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Post# 18061-6/7/2002-06:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
Technical advice
MESSAGE: OK - folks, I need assistance. How do you get an agitator out of an old GE washer. The particular agitator I mean is the OLD, turquoise, straight vane activator with the four main vanes and the four secondary vanes that are between the main vanes. Are there special tools? I know that on the later filter flo models, it just snaps out.
I needed one of those for the old GE I found at an estate sale. Apparently the original activator had been replaced with the 1970's white straight vane model. I was lucky to find the turquoise filter flo pan and mini basket so I needed this one piece. My friend at the appliance store found one on an old Versatronic they took in. Most of the machine was trashed but the activator was in great shape. SInce the machine was stuck in the middle of a pile of refrigerators, they wouldn't let me in to try to get it. But they promised to get it for me. Needless to say, they couldn't figure out how to get it out so they let the machine go to the Crusher. I cannot let another one get away...
So, what do I need to do???? Thanks...........
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Post# 18062-6/7/2002-06:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: Gee Greg, if it is the piano key style on your "Miss", is it possible that it may have been later than 1960??? That sounds like a picture I sent Robert to post for the POD. It was from a 1963 Tide advertisement and it looked like the buttons or keys were lined up along the bottom left of the control panel. Actually, with the exception of the first Automagics, all of the front cabinet nameplates said Philco Bendix. I recall that on my friend's Miss A. which was the one featured in the "Wanted" section, the plate on the front of the cabinet said Philco Bendix and the little plate on the control panel just said Philco. And the reverse is true on my other neighbor's Automagic Dryer. The front cabinet plate said just Philco, while the little logo on the control panel had Philco Bendix.
I do see the difference in the wash discs from the old models to the later 1960's Philcos. The wider disc on the Miss A. would have had to a better job of washing than the smaller more curved one on the later models. Perhaps Philco did this as one way to increase capacity. I can't imagine that the smaller disc was able to move water effectively through a larger load... But it still was a beautiful machine and worth saving.
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Post# 18063-6/7/2002-06:28 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hotpoint and Hoover Front Loaders)
MESSAGE: I have literature for some too. I have Hotpoint brochures from 1992, and the 1996, 1999 and 2001 Hoover brochures. I can describe the ranges to you though.
Hotpoints, until 1997, had always looked the same from about 1980. They had a small round door, with an outer mounted door handle until 1990, then an inner mounted latch style door handle until 1997. Machines with door release buttons had a small strip filling in the 2o'clock to 4 o'clock position or so of the door. The control panel has been mostly the same; it had the dial at the farthest right, with cycles that matched the care symbols on the labels (e.g. \95/, \60/, \40/ and so on. The dial had an outer ring which showed the programme, and a recessed inner part, with a bar going across, with which you turned the dial with. (The same style as Mike's Hotpoint toploader dial). There were traditionally 4 option buttons directly next to the selector dial, which went down vertical, which, in mots cases, were (going down) Economy Wash, Auto Prewash or Super Rinse, Slow Spin, and Rinse Hold. Upper range Aquarius models or bottom range Ultima models often had a slider in the middle of the control panel, which selected the spin speed. About 1992, the Ultima Microprocessor models came in, with a Liquid Crystal Display, and thin buttons along the bottom of the display which selected different functions. Hotpoint's have mainly had only 3 speeds over the years; 800, 1000 and 1200rpm, with 1400rpm coming in with the Ultima models in 1992.
All Hotpoints have had the same style of drum; big triangular paddles with holes widely spaced out (about 2cm), and the same back, with a 5cm or so wide circle in the middle with three arms coming off and meeting with the wash paddles. The back of Hotpoint drums are similar to Bosch drums at the back, all except without the holes in the back. The drums have always been at 47litres (4.5kg), but over the years the ratings have been as low as 4kg up to 5.5kg, even though the same drum has always been used.
Hoovers, until the New Wave range, had always had rounded square doors, with a chrome trimmed porthole window in the middle. The drum was sort of unique; it had the 3 arms, a raised bump in the middle with an overflow hole in the direct centre, then between the arms had 3 rectangles spanning out from the centre to the edge of the drum.
surgilator
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Post# 18064-6/7/2002-06:41 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: They charged for the video feeds during the last BB in America too. Actually, I think we got the first few weeks for free. The next one here starts in about 6 weeks, we'll see what they do then.
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Post# 18065-6/7/2002-06:47 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Are you not talking to me anymore? I've posted message 18001 just for you and you just ignore me - now I am dejected, krushed, devastated, depressed, disconsolate, crestfallen, dismal, doleful, glum, down in the mouth, unhappy and sad; and its all your fault. I hope you are now pleased with yourself, no nice Karma for you today.
Sorry to hear that BB is being inflicted on you guys as well. I suppose this is the second installment there too? Must admit, I've only watched ten minutes worth since it started again and found it as boring as the first show. They opted for the same kinds of people (young, vacuous and generally harsh on the eye)and the house is still hideous.
Had they opted for different ages and looks the show could be so much more exciting. I think an intergenerational mix of different ethnicities, with people from NESB and religious backgrounds could be so much more interesting and electric. Now, THERE you would have the recipe for an interesting show, somethng raw, fresh and of substance.
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Post# 18066-6/7/2002-07:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Technical advice (The Agitamer)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony, there are many ways to do this. I like using the Agitamer if its not a bakelite agitator (they break more often than not with the 'tamer). Only the black agitators on GE's were bakelite so its not an issue for you. Another thing you can do is remove the rubber filter mount, then take a knife and a small hole in the top of the plastic agitator and pour boiling water or oil down the center, with oil you let it sit for a few days. Once you replace the filter mount it will hide the hole you just cut.
LINK: http://www.appliancepartsonline.net/toolagitamer.html
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Post# 18067-6/7/2002-08:02 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Thanks Guys!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the information.
I did go to the Hoover UK website last night, and I must say that I was impressed on the higher end models. The machines look very well made. I would love to see / hear one in action. Hey, if front loaders take off in the US this time, I wonder if Hoover will join the competition in the US?
Brent
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Post# 18068-6/7/2002-08:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Ooer... how do I confess to this? I've voted to ditch Alex, and Sandy will be next in line. Alison is cool, IMHO, but I think Spencer will be the one who lasts right til the end.
Must say I was almost wetting myself laughing last night over the pillow fights they had on BB Live. The live coverage can become a bit tedious at times, but that was a scream!
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Post# 18069-6/7/2002-08:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: June 2002 S.D. Farm Trip - Philcos for everyone! (A bit more on the Philco)
MESSAGE: It's quite possible mine could very well be later than a '60, I don't have much for Philco literature except mid 50's and late 60's so I don't know for sure, I was told 1960. The wanted section picture only has Philco on the front panel emblem, but I can't make out the control panel markings. I really should have taken more pics of all the Philcos we'd pulled out of the weeds.
I've heard the same thing about the larger agitator discs vs. the smaller, later style, but Jimmy has used some of the later machines and said the washing was just as good.
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Post# 18070-6/7/2002-08:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (4 rinses)
MESSAGE: I think you're right on this one, Rich. Perhaps the higher water level has the effect of "suspending" the clothes, so they tumble more loosely in the drum and don't scrunch up into folds.
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Post# 18071-6/7/2002-08:35 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Thanks Guys!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Brent,
The Hoover FLs do look like very nice machines, especially the new Vision with the slanted front and tilt drum. Personally, I think they're rather unreliable, due to the fact we get too many complaints and returns on them. I much preferred the older EcoLogic series, which many Hoover service engineers say were the last good models. I really liked the later New Wave series as well, although I've heard they had their fair share of problems, too - unfortunate, given how much work went into developing them.
Not sure if you'll ever see Hoover laundry in the USA again. Over there, Hoover is a floorcare-only brand, as the laundry side of things is taken care of by Maytag. Maytag sold off Hoover UK several years ago, and the company is now owned by the Italian firm Candy.
Maytag now trades independently over here. However, since ditching Hoover UK, they obviously started to miss the slice of the floorcare market they used to have over here. So now they offer US model Hoover vacuums, rebadged as Maytag. Confusing, isn't it?
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Post# 18072-6/7/2002-08:58 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Aww, I want Alison out 'cause Sandy and Alex could be more entertaining, especially if they stir up trouble.
Although, after what I just read on the E4 ticker (ie the heaven/hell house happening tomorrow), I'd like to see how Alex and Alison cope on the poor side of the house (if they end up there), no hot water and basic rations - that could be interesting viewing.
The pillow fight was brilliant, but my votes for comedy moments so far are all Jade - "East Anglia's abroad isn't it, near Tunisia?" and "There's this boy at our school doesn't know if he's a boy or a girl, and we don't like that sort of thing at our school", when they were in the diary room.
I am, obviously, hooked.
Dave
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Post# 18073-6/7/2002-09:00 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: When you get your scanner working, can you scan some pics of that too?
Not sure what I think of the name 'dreamscape', sounds more like a bed than a washing machine.
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Post# 18074-6/7/2002-09:04 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: AEG 50435 (Noise Level)
MESSAGE: Well that is less than half the noise level of the Hotpoint (I think, tell me if I'm wrong), so you'll notice a huge difference.
Are you going to go for the AEG then?
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Post# 18075-6/7/2002-09:07 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: It's our third installment, and different to the previous two in many ways. Different house, different types of people etc.
There's plenty of fan sites about, which is just as well 'cause the official ones crap, if you want to see some of the contestants take a look at the link below...
Reality TV intrigues me - I love
Big Brother, couldn't get into
Survivor,
The Experiment intrigued me and most of the others I've just not watched.
Dave
LINK: http://bigbrother.digitalspy.co.uk
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Post# 18076-6/7/2002-09:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (UK Big Brother 3)
MESSAGE: Gripping stuff, innit? So far, I think BB3 has been the best yet, even more so than the last two years'. Looking forward to seeing the "haves vs. have nots" split of the house, seem to remember reading about that somewhere.
At the moment, I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Jonny to win, as much as I have my own reasons for liking PJ ;o)
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Post# 18077-6/7/2002-10:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Okey dokes - the Dreamspace seems to crop up regularly in the trade mags, so next time it appears I'll snag a copy and scan it in. Wish I'd gone to the ER Show now, seeing as it was on display there, but couldn't really justify going seeing as Bosch weren't exhibiting this year.
Funny how they think up names for these things, isn't it? Sounds rather girly and wishy-washy to me, I much prefer the "Big" monicker that Bauknecht will be using.
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Post# 18078-6/7/2002-10:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Agreed, Surivivor was just irritating IMHO. Didn't seem to have BB's comedy value, either. The diary room chatter the other night during the school disco party was hilarious, and I think they've picked a rather entertaining group of contestants this time round.
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Post# 18079-6/7/2002-10:38 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
Hi Everyone
MESSAGE: Hi all,
Theres an addition to my family, as we speak im waiting for my new he3t's from sears =) The 75 whirlpool set is still here and I'll still keep them but some sorority sisters came up with an idea where they pickup laundry from the nicer areas in town (people that will actually pay 130 a month for someone to wash their clothes) and they will use my machine to wash the stuff. Good thing i purchased the warrantee =) They don't have any clients yet so I get the machines to myself, for a little while anyways...Mines the top of the line set in graphite.
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Post# 18080-6/7/2002-14:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: No, they are not on general sale yet. The Bauknecht BIG was introduced on the appliance show in Berlin several weeks ago, but when I was in Cologne recently I didn't see it in the stores there. Another question is if the dryer that is made in the US will come to Europe.
Louis
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Post# 18081-6/7/2002-15:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Rich,
I have to disagree with you. I bought my AEG Lavamat 625 because a repair man said they were very well built machines, but after a while it appeared that the 600 series was one of the worst made by AEG. There are serious problems with motors (many burnt motors), push buttons and bearings. The later introduced 6000 series was a big emprovement.
Louis
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Post# 18082-6/7/2002-15:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Fear Factor has to be one of the biggest wastes of the airwaves, and the coming "Dog Eat Dog" is probably of the same ilk.
Survivor I found mildly entertaining, BB less so, but I didn't watch either in its entirety. Scrubs isn't bad for a novel sitcom (sarcastic hospital stuff); I used to like Frasier and Friends but they have both become way too formulaic. Ally McBeal was interesting for a bit but when Dame Edna came on the scene it got just a little too weird even for me. Not that I don't like her act, I just thought it went beyond the limits of suspension of disbelief that she'd be able to get a job as a top legal firm's office manager, even in Paulo's Boston.
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Post# 18083-6/7/2002-15:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Technical advice (The Agitamer)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, thanks for the tip about the "agi-tamer". One question though, is this used for any and all GE agitators or just hopelessly stuck ones?
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Post# 18084-6/7/2002-18:01 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Oh My Darling Bubs,
I never knew I meant so much, you flatter me.
I am sorry I have not replied to 18001, I have not read it yet, but I will go straight to it. Since returning from hols 6 days ago, I have not had enoug time to catch all the posts, I am probably getting to read, and sometimes reply to just a few each day.
We are on Big Bro 3 and tomorrow it is set to get exciting as teh house will be split in to a rich and poor side which is so cruel. If you check out the story, check Alex, Lee and Spencer for eye candy.
Richtoo
LINK: http://www.channel4.com/apps3/bigbrother/news/newsstory.jsp?id=3925
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Post# 18085-6/7/2002-18:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hi again Bubsy,
Ta for teh welcome back.
I think only Miele have taken teh 2 rinses as standard route for their new FLs. I think that the fast spin before each rinse removes most of the soap, your guess of 15 litres per rinse fill is probably pretty close to the mark (40 litre total use - allow 5 litres to be absorbed by the load and 5 l free wash water, gives 30 litres for the 2 rinses).
I am very sparing with the soap, with the new formalation biological Ecover, I use 2 tablespoons per average load + 1tablesppon oxygen bleach powder for whites.
Some tentative rinse dilution figures -
30 grams powder
10 litres wash water (5 absorbed by load, 5 free)
on pump out 15g powder remain in load
after spin (50% extraction) 7.5g remain in load
1st rinse with 15 litres
5g in free water 2.5g in load
spin leaves 1.25g in load
2nd rinse 0.8g in free water & 0.4g in load
final spin 0.2g remain in load
in this example, a third rinse would result in 0.03g in the final laundry.
Running the figures again using a starting point of 100g of powder would give 0.7g after 2 rinses and 0.1g after 3 rinses.
Richtoo
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Post# 18086-6/7/2002-18:17 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Electra??
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Mmmm, maybe you are right, I did have a burnt out motor after about 8 years, which I replaced myself. The original motor also needed 2 new sets of brushes in the first 5 years. I am very heavy on washers, at least 10 loads probably more each week.
Richtoo
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Post# 18087-6/7/2002-18:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,
My options are a bit limited when it comes to comedy shows; all I like is the offbeat, toilet-humour type stuff. Did you ever get Bottom in the US, or The Young Ones? That kind of thing has me laughing my pants off. Friends and Frasier never even raised a giggle from me, but most other folks I know love it.
One of my co-workers is a huge Ally McBeal fan, and told me I just *had* to see it. Didn't really know what to make of it, I think it's too absurd even for me LOL.
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Post# 18088-6/7/2002-18:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Oi! Don't forget PJ ;o) LOL
Can't wait to see who gets put on each side of the wall, this is getting to be gripping stuff... perhaps I should get out more!
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Post# 18089-6/7/2002-19:01 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Is it just me, or do you think most detergent manufacturers tell you to put in *way* too much these days? Whenever I use the amount it says on the carton or bottle, I end up getting suds that just won't shift, and have to reset the washer for another complete rinse cycle.
Seeing as I have hard water, I've recently found that a much better strategy is to use water softening powder, and dose the detergent for soft water. Just using more detergent to compensate for the hardness always seems to result in cruddy rinse performance from what I've experienced.
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Post# 18090-6/7/2002-19:03 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: It is a great dryer. I think that it could have been bigger though. The amount of clothes that you can wash in the HE3T is almost too much for the dryer space when they are starting to fluff out during the drying process. It will handle it, but I would have liked the dryer drum to be a little bigger. They did not ask me when they designed it, so there you go!
Also the HE3T is a little bigger than that Big Daddy one in Germany. Or whatever it is called there. From my understanding, Big Daddy does spin faster. That might be why the tub is smaller.
Have a Great Weekend!
Brent
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Post# 18091-6/7/2002-19:12 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Is Bauknecht a company? Does anyone know who is actually building these machines?
Is this a dumb question?
Anyone need a refresher?
Brent
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Post# 18092-6/7/2002-19:13 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Refresher as in Drink.
Not "touch up" or anything.
Brent
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Post# 18093-6/7/2002-19:21 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Hi Brent,
Bauknecht is a German company that is, I believe, now a subsidiary of Whirlpool. Bauknecht builds the Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Whirlpool Duet / Whirlpool Dreamspace.
Richtoo
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Post# 18094-6/7/2002-19:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Sorry, Captain, "Bottom" and "The Young Ones" does not ring any bells for me. Yeah, Ally McB was a bit on the odd side, however, it has some very good music and some killer eye candy (women and men). I found Elaine, the slutty secretary, especially fascinating, and I thought Robert Downey Jr. did his usually stellar acting job, and he showed he can sing quite well in addition. The last two years the writers seemed to be groping a bit, what with the secret office behind a lavatory stall wall ("The Hole" hey isn't that a gay bar?), and the aforementioned Dame Edna. I was disappointed that the plumber (some rock singer) and Ally didn't work it out, as he seemed to be the perfect antidote for her spacyness and also a great dad for her long-lost biological daughter. The whole season wrapped up rather abruptly with Ally quitting her job so she could move her daughter back to New York, but then I know women who make such snap decisions.
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Post# 18095-6/7/2002-19:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Bauknecht is owned by Whirlpool, who bought the operation if not the name from Philips (beating out GE who wanted it bad) in the 90's. The actual factory is somewhere in Germany.
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Post# 18096-6/7/2002-19:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk
I sure agree about manufactures detergent doses being way over the top. Even Ecover, for all their strong ecological posturing recomend way too much, eg their liquid says 2 & 1/3 capsful, I find 1/4 to 1/2 a cap sufficient depending on load size. Ecover conditioner says 1 or 2 capsful for extra softness, I find 1/8 to 1/4 sufficient to give a good result, if I forget to add even this small amount, I can tell teh difference immediately as the washing feels harsher. Ecover caps are 30ml for info.
Whilst on holiday, I took 2 small boxes of Acdo, normal formula and the Acdo Miracle concentrated formula. The box of Miracle was supposed to do 2 loads ina FL or 1 in a TL, I did 4 or 5 with it. I also did a load with the non-conc formula and brought the rest of the box home and did another 3 or 4 loads with it, this box should have been enough for about 2 1/2 loads.
You can test if you have used enough powder, once completely filled (ie the load is fully saturated), open the door and feel the free water. If it feels slippy, you have enough powder.
I also cut my DW tabs in half, and occasionaly add some powder O2 bleach if extra oomph is needed. Ecover powder O2 bleach is great in the DW.
My Brummie water is exceptionally soft, having fallen on mountains in Wales and run into our resevoir in the Elan valley.
Richtoo
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Post# 18097-6/7/2002-19:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Awwww, Suds, think of all the great comedy you're missing! Hopefully BBC America will decide to air them someday, then you can see what I'm talking about.
You're right about the music on Ally McBeal, that was the one thing I liked about it. Often, the soundtrack can make or break a series for me.
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Post# 18098-6/7/2002-19:46 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hi Suds
In ALly McB the ones to set my heart a flutter were Gil Bellows, Billy and Bobby Cannavale, Wilson Jade. One of the sexiest women was Nell, Portia de Rossi. I loved that uptight image when she first appeared. Getting to appliances, what about the 'funny little man's' toilet flusher.
Bottom and Young Ones were student humour silly commedies in the UK, starring Adrian Edmonson and Rik Mayall, not my cup of tea, but the BF liked them.
Richtoo
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Post# 18099-6/7/2002-19:52 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
PJ? Are you for Real? Clean your glasses, please. With a bag over his head, I will grant a decent bod, so long as you ignore those truncated legs. OK< I had another look at his mugshot, he is OK I guess, but with Alex, Lee and Spencer I have all the eye candy I need.
Split house - my guess based on who is tall/sporty
Rich side - Spencer, Lee, Adele, Kate, Alex
Poor side - Sandy, Jade, PJ, Sophie, Jonny.
Richtoo
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Post# 18100-6/7/2002-20:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
OK, you can quit telling me about your lovely soft water... you're making me jealous! Hard water is such a pain to live with, as every surface it touches ends up looking dull and dirty, no matter how much you clean it.
Last time I shopped in a bricks-and-mortar supermarket, I spent some time looking at the Ecover liquid detergent, but quickly put it back on the shelf after reading the dosage info. Like an idiot, I picked up Ariel Color liquid instead, which only served to confirm later that I really do prefer Persil over anything else when it comes to liquids.
Funny you should mention the sliperiness test, I've been doing that a lot recently. Despite using so little detergent, the water still feels slippery, and the load always gets clean, so it must be working.
As for the dishwasher, I've gone back to Finish liquid now. Tablets don't give any control over dosage, which I hate, and powders grind up the hubs of my DW's spray arms. The liquid stinks of chlorine bleach, but does a good job, so it's a keeper for now.
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Post# 18101-6/7/2002-20:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Humph! To each their own, I guess, but I always end up ogling the one who looks the same as me... must be a form of narcissism, if that's the correct spelling LOL.
Can't wait to see how the house is split tomorrow!
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Post# 18102-6/7/2002-20:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Kirk,
Mieles do raise the rinse water level when doing teh 2 rinse thing, it goes to the medium level. On mine, a standard cotton wash with 3 rinses is about 2 hours, pressing 'short' gives a shorter wash and 2 higher level rinses and takes about 1 hour, Miele still claim an A wash rating with this short option. On the honeycombs, the standard wash is the same as my 'short' wash and they have an intensive button to lengthen the wash, not sure if this adds the 3rd rinse automatically or whether you have to press 'water plus' - I can use this button to get a 4th rinse.
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Post# 18103-6/7/2002-20:17 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: You are quite right regarding Hoover laundry products in the US. From what I recall, they used to only sell twin tubs when I lived in the US. Had they offered a range of automatic washers, as they do here in Australia, they probably could have established themselves as a serious laundry product too. I suppose Hoover USA never considered gaining a foothold in the American laundry market and for as long as I can remember, consumers only associate sweepers with that name.
Over here Hoover is owned by Electrolux who import some US made Hoover floor cleaners, which they sell alongside their own sweepers. Electrolux are holding on to the Hoover TL washers, because of their popularity with consumers, but haven't offered any design updates or alternative models and there are currently no Hoover front loaders on the market here, as far as I know. Perhaps Electrolux will supercede Hoover with something else in the future. They also own the Simpson and Westinghouse brands, which still have a lot of consumer confidence. So it will be interesting to see how Electrolux will enhance or reduce consumer choice. I suppose Asian companies like LG and Haier are now taking over were our domestic products leave off.
I do like the look of the Hoover Vision, it is a pretty machine and I am partial to tilt drums. I guess that we will get it here eventually. The choice of FL's has ballooned in the last couple of years, but I think the market here is full for the time being since all major brands (except Hoover) have at least one top loader in their line-up. They still mainly appeal to the Europeans that come to live here and who are often not familiar with our top loaders. The Maytag Neptune hasn't taken off to the extent that it seems to in the US and UK. It still costs too much at $2600. Even though it is the largest FL machine on the market, people tend to go for the smaller and cheaper European machines when they opt for a FL(which cost betwen $1200 to $1800, LG and Whirlpool are even less).
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Post# 18104-6/7/2002-20:24 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Did you smell that Ecover liquid? It is fragranced with lavender and is very subtle after the wash, likewise their new bio powder is lavender. The liquid is, to my mind, rather light duty being only detergent, I use it on dark and black t-shirts which only need freshening. I use the bio powder, which contain bleach on my whites and add extra bleach and the non-bio bleach free unfragranced powder on lights and mids.
Its worth trying, many supermarkets will alow you to return a product that you don't like, so nothing to loose, for blacks it does not stink like Persil Black Velvet. Have you tried the Dreft Liquid for blacks, I have only just spotted it, but have not yet tried it.
I have also noticed a small tester size Lenor/Downy fabric enhancer in my local corner shop, where I bought the Acdo, so I may try that too, despite my earlier reservations about the smell.
Richtoo
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Post# 18105-6/7/2002-20:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Thanks for the clarification. I like the sound of the way that works, it seems to make a lot of sense.
This sounds really stupid, and something I should know the answer to, but I've forgotten; do the Mieles automatically add extra rinses should oversudsing occur? I know they reduce the drum action to allow the suds to settle, but I can't remember for the life of me whether or not they adjust the rinse phase accordingly.
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Post# 18106-6/7/2002-20:36 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Yes I did miss you my little Schnickel-Miele you. Well looking at that BB lineup I do agree about Spencer and Lee, they are pleasant on the eye and probbly to the touch as well. Your set-up is more intergenerational and looks more interesting than ours. But what is that orange lounge and table thing and that rug, ouch! Looks nearly as bad as our BB house, which would get a star for unlivable living environments.
Here is our BB link for you to perv at.
LINK: http://www.bigbrother.com.au
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Post# 18107-6/7/2002-20:37 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (the AEG)
MESSAGE: Hi Surg,
I think Kirk has answered this already, I think it was a Zanussi as it is brand new, less than 12 months. It was a build in so I did not see the sides, but it was very quiet even on spin. The manual said that this was due to a new type of motor.
Richtoo
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Post# 18108-6/7/2002-20:49 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubsy Wubs
Well Damian looked pretty hot. What is fart cupping, see Brodie, is this some peculiar Ozzy thing? Am I right to assume that Nathan is family?
I agree the UK BB Orange lounge is gross, looks terrible on telly. The bathroom is to die for, all German, Villroy and Boch sanitary ware and grohe taps. They have fantastic Bisque radiators throughout too, I have seen Power Plant, Hot Springs and Hot Hoop (ohh err Misus), I rather like Bisque radiators and have a Cobra Therm in my bathroom, though with my cheap Italian rip off of a Philipe Stark suite.
Richtoo
LINK: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother/tour/tour_service_suppliers.html
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Post# 18109-6/7/2002-20:54 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Thanks Dave)
MESSAGE: Your BB looks more interesting than ours. Then again, I am not much of a reality tv watcher and find that it really hasn't much to do with reality. It is all contrived and in my opinion stupid. I am sure the producers tell the kids to hop into bed with each other and make their canoodling look more interesting than what it actually is. Lets face it, if it was allowed, the producers would have them bonk around in front of the cameras to make it more interesting.
At least with the first BB they had an openly gay guy and a bunch of boofy blokes, which made for some interesting moments. Particularly since the gay guy got some of the apparently straight guys to show their more sensitive sides. Now they are all straight, of about the same age and similar developmental stages.
Unless they vary their formula, this show is not going to get any better here.
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Post# 18110-6/7/2002-20:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,
Hoover probably missed the boat on this one, by not establishing themselves as a laundry brand in the US. The Hoover name and reputation would probably have guaranteed them a fair amount of success, although that may no longer be the case nowadays. As I said before, perhaps the fact that the Maytag brand has the laundry side of things taken care of had something to do with it.
It's funny to think of Hoover Australia being owned by Electrolux, as over here, they're arch rivals. That's a good thing as far as I'm concerned, as mergers usually just result in one line of products being produced under two different names, which isn't really "choice" in the true sense of the word.
So, I presume right now, most Australian manufacturers concentrate on top loaders, but usually offer a front loader model to appeal to that particular niche? It's the complete opposite here. Most product lines consist almost entirely of FLs, with a single TL thrown in to cater for those who really must have one. Whirlpool and Maytag/Admiral are the only manufacturers here which offer a choice of different models in the TL category.
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Post# 18111-6/7/2002-21:12 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Yes our Australian manufacturer only concentrates on top loaders. In fact, I don't think that there are any Australian made FL's. If I am wrong arrrhhhooo or Gizmo will straighten me out. Whirlpool Australia have quite an extensive range of front loaders in comparison to other brands. I guess that 80% of consumers still opt for top loaders, which come in quite a range of different sizes and don't only cater to those who need a large washer. All major brands ranging from F&P to Hoover, Westinghouse and Simpson offer 5, 7, 7.5 or 8 kg washers. We used to get smaller machines from Asia, like little 2 and 3 kilo Tl's made by Hitachi or some other brand. The current trend is towards larger machines since laundry facilities in houses and flats are usually separate and provide enough space for a big machine.
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Post# 18112-6/7/2002-21:14 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Now you've persuaded me to give it a try. I love the smell of lavender, and it would make a nice change from the typical scents one associates with detergents. How does it do for rinsing, by the way?
Persil Black Velvet smells OK to me, it's just a tad on the strong side for my liking. The biggest turn-off for me so far has been that the bottles leak around the base of the black rim, causing droplets to run down the side of the bottle and leave a sticky puddle on my shelf. I can't be doing with that, even if the detergent itself does a good job. I might try the Dreft Dark liquid sometime, and keep my fingers crossed that it isn't as sudsy as the powder.
You might like the Downy Enhancer, providing you're frugal with the amount you use. Using the recommended dosage, the smell is too strong even for my liking. I now only use it for towels, as it keeps them soft without affecting their absorbency. For everything else, I've switched to concentrated Lenor, in the new Stayfresh variety, which I rather like.
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Post# 18113-6/7/2002-21:19 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Not a stupid question at all, I did not know the answer and I use a Miele every day. I checked the manual and oversudsing does automatically switch in an extra rinse as well as reducing teh agitation. My AEG was supposed to have foam detectors and switch in a 4th rinse if it could not remove foam by careful agitation and spinning - I was never able to make teh 4th rinse switch in automatically. The AEG also had a hidden switch inside the soap drawer to select 4 rinses as standard whereas Miele has the 'water plus' button which can be programmed to give extra wash water, extra rinse water - to a mid level, extra rinse or all of these. A separate programing function makes the machine do all rinses on the highest level.
I must away to bed now, goodnight, and i have caught up with all the posts I missed on my holiday.
Richtoo
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Post# 18114-6/7/2002-21:22 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi again,
Ecover liquid seems to be a high foamer, don't want to rinse product, another reason I use 1/4 - 1/2 a cap. Its a pity that their conditioner is not lavender too, years ago I used to buy Boots own brand lavender conditioner.
Richtoo
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Post# 18115-6/7/2002-21:27 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: I have never cupped my farts since I like to spread mine out, but it sounds Australian. Ozzie blokes have a fascination for bodily functions and fart cupping would most definitely be a manifestation of that.
I haven't seen the bathroom, must check it out later if I can. Personally, I like Kohler sanitary products and fittings. With a lot of the Grohe stuff it is very stylish but a bitch to clean and looks a little too clinical in my opinion. I am not a very stylish person, so I don't go in for that full glass, chrome and ceramic look.
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Post# 18116-6/7/2002-21:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Little tidbit for you: some of the carpets in the Big Brother house are the creation of Deirdre Dyson, hubby to James. He's the guy who invented the Dyson vacuum cleaner and washing machine, and runs said company.
As much as I like the Dyson vacuum and washer, I think the carpets are rather garish and OTT. On a related note, same goes for Vorwerk. They make a great vacuum also, but their carpets are enough to make your nose bleed.
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Post# 18117-6/7/2002-21:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: That's another difference between the UK and Aus. V-axis TLs here are all targeted to the large capacity market; the smallest one you can get is a 14-pounder, the biggest is 22 pounds. Only the H-axis models cater to the "standard" capacity market.
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Post# 18118-6/7/2002-21:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Thanks again for clearing that one up. The programming function is the main thing I envy Miele owners for, there's just so much to play around with! Should they ever offer a larger capacity machine, my search for the perfect washer would be over.
I'm pretty sure AEG no longer have the hidden rinse switch behind the dispenser drawer. There's no mention of it in the user manuals nowadays, so perhaps it was taken away in order to limit the user to 3 rinses, as a means of saving water.
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Post# 18119-6/7/2002-22:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Damn, I knew you were going to say that! The only liquid I've ever used which rinses out easily is Persil. Still, may just give the Ecover a try to see how it works out, as the idea of a lavender scent really appeals to me.
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Post# 18120-6/7/2002-22:19 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Dame Edna in Ally McBeal?
My my thats a long way from moonee ponds possums.
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Post# 18121-6/7/2002-22:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Hi Winstonsmith, as promised here is the supposid history of dishwashers...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/History-of-Dishwashers.htm
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Post# 18122-6/7/2002-22:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Hoover Floorcare is an entirely separate company from Electrolux.
I think the original plan for Email was to have two brands for each line, eg, Kelvinator and Westinghouse for refrigeration, Hoover and Simpson for laundry and Chef and Westinghouse for cooking. What Electrolux plans to do I dont know.
Fisher and Paykel, Simpson and Hoover have nearly 60% of the Laundry market between them.
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Post# 18123-6/7/2002-22:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hoover used to Manufacture a front loader in Australia for years. A great model too. It died unfortunately, aloing with the vacuum cleaner line, when the meadowbank factory got closed, after the Email/Electrolux takeover. The Hoover refrigeration factory in Melbourne got closed too. All they were interested in was the Hoover line of TL washing machines, which fit very easily onto the Simpson production line in Adelaide.
If electrolux wanted to I think they should give the Hoovers more heavy duty cabinets like they used to have when they were real Hoovers. The Hoovers could be pitched as a bit more upmarket while Simpson could be a value brand. They clash too much the two ranges right now.
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Post# 18124-6/7/2002-00:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Portia d'Rossi did little for me. Uptight women kind of turn me off.
I remember a much younger Gil Bellows in "Shawshank Redemption". He was murdered by the warden in that one. He died of a brain tumor in Ally McB. His nickname should be "lucky".
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Post# 18125-6/7/2002-00:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Actually the liquid is more than just detergent. The ingredients include soap bark, chamomile, and horsetail, all of which I believe aid in cleaning. Of course the amount of each is not indicated, but I suspect it's more than just a trace.
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Post# 18126-6/7/2002-00:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Woops, I was referring to Ecos liquid. Sorry 'bout that!
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Post# 18127-6/7/2002-01:44 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Well, I suppose once you are in the money you can dabble anywhere and with anything. I think James Packer's little wifiepooh has her own fashion label, with compliments of her husband's credit rating, I am sure. Whether or not such illustrious people actually give us something of value or they are simply inflicting their tastes and ideas on us because they can, I suppose remains a matter of subjective opinion.
As far as the Dyson vac is concerned, I think it is awfully expensive and too much plastic for the price. It looks interesting, but at over $600 I'd rather have a ducted system or go with a Eureka bagless. At least that has some serious chrome going for it. Right now I own two wet'n'dry Vac barrel sweepers (Australian made, would you believe it?!), which are very good good. I also have a Hoover Wash'n'Brush (Steam Vac in the US)an old Mitsubishi bagless and a Wertheim pull-along that refuses to die.
The Dyson washer looks very colorful, I am sure it is expensive (?). Is it anything special or just a more jazzed-up version of FL's in general? It is not available here, at least at this time.
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Post# 18128-6/8/2002-02:22 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: God, how confusing will it get? So Electrolux own the Hoover name for washers, Hoover floor care is a stand-alone conmpany? I wonder how long for, since they only offer a very small range of appliances at this stage, they must be looking to merge with somebody. Then we have Maytag, which is not affiliated with any other companies over here, but own Hoover floor care in America. Not to forget that Hoover was originally an American company that shifted its HQ to the UK.
Maybe Hoover floor care will become part of Maytag Australia, that would seem the most sensible choice since they probably get most of their products from there anyway. The mind boggles,if only for a short time.
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Post# 18129-6/8/2002-02:36 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I don't know if they clash in their range, since Simpson washers actually seem to be more solidly built than Hoovers. Once you open the lid there isn't that much of a difference, but the Simpson cabinets and control panels are actually really nice and look a little more sophisticated. The Hoovers seem to be the economy brand at this stage, although I don't think that there is that much of a price difference between both brands.
BTW, did you ever see the old Simpson commercial that upset our Indian community a few years back? I reckon that was one of the best washer ads ever.
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Post# 18130-6/8/2002-04:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: The Bauknecht BIG is exactly the same size as the HE3t, it's basically the same machine. Yes, the BIG spins with 1400rpm.
Louis
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Post# 18131-6/8/2002-04:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Rich,
I managed to get a 4th rinse switch in, I did an all towel load with too much Ariel powder and my washer really sudsed up. I found the AEG a very good rinsing machine even without the switch on the 4th rinse.
Louis
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Post# 18132-6/8/2002-04:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Robert, thank you for the article, very nice reading material. I love the Mobile Maid picture. Brings back good memories of your toploading dishwasher.
Louis
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Post# 18133-6/8/2002-05:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Rich,
Are Bauknechts sold in the UK?
Louis
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Post# 18134-6/8/2002-06:11 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
Ye, Bauknechts are sold in the UK, but they are a very minor brand, probably far smaller even than Miele.
Richtoo
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Post# 18135-6/8/2002-06:19 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Cheers Kirk,
I had not realised who Diedre Dyson is.
Love your comment on Vorverk carpets.
Richtoo
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Post# 18136-6/8/2002-06:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,
The Dyson is supposed to be a revolution in washer technology. It contains 2 drums that rotate in opposite directions, see the animation at the link below. I am not sure I would want be clothes subjected to such twisting forces, but it is proving reasonably popular, as is teh vac. People seem prepared to pay huge amounts of money if teh marketing is right, My Miele washer cost less than half what the basic Dyson cost, ditto my Miele vacuum cleaner.
Richtoo
LINK: http://www.dyson.co.uk/nav/inpageframe.asp?id=TECH/CONTRAROTATOR/OVERVIEW/MENU
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Post# 18137-6/8/2002-06:26 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Miele offer the 6kg Little Giants, I assume they have teh same programmability. Some of the MIele commercial washers look like they offer total control and let you design your own cycles, bet they cost plenty though.
Richtoo
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Post# 18138-6/8/2002-07:42 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: The electronic models offer a rinse plus option, apparently you press a certain combination of buttons, and the rinse + indicator light shows up. I'm not sure about the timer models I'm interested in, but I'll probably never end up using it anyway. My friend has a 74630, and his clothes rinse perfectly fine with only 3 rinses, however there may be a difference as his has the ART system whereas the one I'm interested in doesn't.
I read through the AEG 50435 manual I downloaded lastnight, and it is funny to see that the cotton 60 and 40 cycles use 54 litres, whereas the cotton 95 cycle uses 57 litres of water. Looking at the controls, there seems to be an endless list of programme flexibility, with the temperature control, spin speed control, soaking, short, stain etc. The only cycle it doesn't offer is the handwash cycle, but I'm sure they'll be fine on the wool cycle, as I wash my handwashables in my current Hotpoint's wool cycle and they come out fine, and the AEG's got to be gentler than that.
I think my most favourite model AEG have ever offered is the 61300, the 1100rpm model of the last range, which had a programme progress dial, a temperature dial, a spin speed control and buttons for programme selection; Cottons, Easy Cares, Delicates and Wool. I think it has a more 'commercial' style of programming, like you see on launderette washers.
surgilator
P.S. Looking through the AEG specifications, it looks like the electronic models don't have the OKO Valve - anyone know why? Is there a newer, better system?
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Post# 18139-6/8/2002-07:46 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Bauknecht's are very rare in the UK, the only place that sell their washer's that I know of are Comet, and I think they bring them in especially from Germany. Whirlpool is more common over here, but you don't see them in many stores. Ignis used to be a big brand here too, they were the low end Phillips line. I think Bauknecht's are the more exclusive Phillips line, with Whirlpool being the middle, and Ignis the bottom.
Bauknecht's are also sold in some kitchen showrooms - the one near me in my local row of shops sell Bauknecht ovens with their kitchens.
There's a link below to the Comet-run Bauknecht UK website. No doubt the Bauknecht Big would be sold by Comet when it is released.
surgilator
LINK: http://www.bauknechtfromcomet.co.uk
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Post# 18140-6/8/2002-07:48 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht - the Correct Link)
MESSAGE: The correct link is below. The previous one just takes you to Comet's website, this one takes you to the Bauknecht homepage.
LINK: http://www.bauknechtfromcomet.co.uk/homepage.htm
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Post# 18141-6/8/2002-07:51 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: AEG 50435 (Noise Level)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
Yes, this is probably the machine I'm going to get. I probably won't order yet, just want to make sure this is the right washer for me for definite.
I might go with the matching 33600 dryer later in the year, but time will tell.
surgilator
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Post# 18142-6/8/2002-07:55 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi all,
Just thought it would be interesting to do a poll on which type of washing line people prefer.
1) Do you prefer a washing line or a rotary line?
2) Do you have a washing line or a rotary line?
3) Do you like your type of washing line?
And don't say you have a tumble dryer, I all know you do! (lol)
surgilator
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Post# 18143-6/8/2002-09:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Robert, thanks for the article. Fascinating indeed!!
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Post# 18144-6/8/2002-09:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: A lot of manufacturers do that here - produce near-identical products under two separate brands, but position one higher than the other. For example, Hotpoint and Creda are basically the same thing, but are targeted at different people. Hotpoint now has aspirations for the higher end of the market, believe it or not, and are trying to steal sales away from Bosch! Meanwhile, Creda is targeting the budget-conscious consumer, by selling machines which are stripped of certain features in order to lower the price.
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Post# 18145-6/8/2002-09:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht - the Correct Link)
MESSAGE: Those are the old models, there is a whole new range of Bauknecht products. The german website is under construction at the moment, I think the new Bauknecht appliances will be on their website soon. I have never been a Bauknecht fan, there was a period their appliances were very unreliable.
Louis
LINK: http://www.bauknecht.de
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Post# 18146-6/8/2002-09:49 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,
That's another one I've considered trying, too. Recently I found a UK distributor online who can supply Ecos powder and liquid, so I might give it a go someday. One can never try too many different detergents, after all!
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Post# 18147-6/8/2002-09:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I prefer a washing line, I think laundry looks messy on these rotary things. At the moment I have a few lines on the outside of my balcony, I used to have a washing line in my garden. I don't like the balcony line very much, I liked the one in the garden. I posted the link to the picture of my whites on the washing line.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.dnm=Linedrying+whites.JPG&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 18148-6/8/2002-10:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Surg, what is a rotary line? Is that the kind that is square with many lines going across, that folds up like an umbrella? My personal preference is the standard line strung between two poles. I just think it's easier to work with.
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Post# 18149-6/8/2002-10:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,
I think design is a theme which runs throughout the entire Dyson family. Their daughter is a fashion designer, and both their sons are involved in product design - the elder of the two, I believe, for the Dyson company itself.
Sounds like Australians are paying well over the odds for Dysons. So, I can agree with your sentiments about them being overpriced. Here they're priced towards the higher end of the market, but still within comfrtable reach of most buyers. Rught now, it's the most popular vac brand over here.
The Dyson washer is expensive, but prices are falling all the time. The main selling point is that it washes a bigger load, to an "A" rating, in less time than a conventional FL washer. From what I've seen, those claims hold up - it's very impressive. Obviously, it's not worth the extra cost if you're only going to fill it halfway all the time. For those who are constantly doing laundry, or want to wash duvets at home, I think it's a great choice. And they do an all-white version now, too.
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Post# 18150-6/8/2002-10:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, the whiteness degree of your garments is definitely that fit for a Queen. Were you able to attend Elizabeth's Jubilee earlier this week?
QEOM
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Post# 18151-6/8/2002-10:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: That Simpson commercial sounds familiar - sure I've seen it on one of those comedy ad compilation shows. Washing machine by the riverbank, but nowhere to plug it in... so the locals end up using it as a "rock" of sorts to slap their clothes against?
I thought it was quite clever, and rather funny to boot.
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Post# 18152-6/8/2002-10:19 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: From the reports I've seen in the trade magazines, the Bauknecht BIG, Whirlpool Dreamspace et al have a capacity of at least 18 pounds. I've also seen reports saying it has a 20 pound capacity, so I'm not sure which is the case now. Even if it's the former, it's still pretty impressive.
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Post# 18153-6/8/2002-10:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Kirk, when Mikey and I visited appliance stores in England, it was interesting to see the brands that I am accustomed to being very expensive in the US as more middle line, competitively priced machines. The Dyson was roughly twice what most of the other machines such as Bosch, Miele and etc. were. I wonder how far the Dyson will in time drop to meet the rest.
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Post# 18154-6/8/2002-10:21 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet
MESSAGE: Last I heard, Bauknecht was being sold exclusively through Comet stores. Must say I've never seen them anywhere else, but then they never have been a prominent brand as such over here.
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Post# 18155-6/8/2002-10:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hey Miele - are you being a snob?!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Their plain carpets are nice, I will give them that. It's just the patterned ones... they're ghastly! The paint-splodge look never really did much for me LOL.
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Post# 18156-6/8/2002-10:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Aren't the Little Giants derived from an earlier series of Mieles? They look similar to the models from about four or five years ago. And the prices - eeeeek! Love the white/silver colour combo, though.
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Post# 18157-6/8/2002-10:33 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
Those three extra litres of water on the \95/ cycle are used to cool down the wash water before pump-out. Bosch do the same thing; it helps to reduce shock creasing, and also protects waste plumbing.
My guess for the electronic models not having the OKO-valve is that they recirculate the water, drawing it from the sump and spraying it back onto the load. Therefore, the detergent can't settle there and get wasted. The mechanical control models don't recirculate, therefore the sump is sealed off to stop powder settling there.
Agreed, the 61300 did have a great control layout. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure they no longer offer that particular style of controls now. I always rather liked it, too.
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Post# 18158-6/8/2002-10:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
Since this was a national celbration we were not invited, we enjoyed watching the fireworks on TV though, we thought it might cause a fire in the palace for the second time this week.
QLOTOC
PS: The whiteness of our garments are ofcourse a great pride and joy to us.
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Post# 18159-6/8/2002-10:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bauknecht BIG / KM HE3T / Wirlpool Duet (Bauknecht)
MESSAGE: Some of those Bauknecht products look familiar - Whirlpool used to sell the TOL electronic washer under their own name, ditto with the window-door dryers.
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Post# 18160-6/8/2002-10:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: I find these conversions very confusing, I'll dig into this sometime. And then in different countries sometimes there are different capacities claimed for the same machine.
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Post# 18161-6/8/2002-10:45 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Believe it or not, a co-worker told me recently that her cousin managed to pick up a Dyson washer for £500! That model was originally £1000 when it first came onto the market, so she really got a bargain there. For most brands, you can get something TOL for £500.
Elsewhere, most stores sell the basic Dyson washer for around £700-£800, so even at that price it's still a big reduction from the original price. Of course, it will only be a matter of time before it drops further. Over here, electrical goods always become more affordable once they're more popular.
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Post# 18162-6/8/2002-10:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: I think you've hit the nail on the head there, Louis. Capacity, of course, depends on whether you load it loosely, or pack it in tight. It can be as much or as little as the manufacturer likes!
Perhaps taking a basket of laundry into the store isn't as ridiculous as it sounds, after all. That would give a better idea of capacity than any combination of numbers ever could.
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Post# 18163-6/8/2002-10:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hiya Surg
Good question,
I prefer to see washing on a line, and find a proper line dries much faster than a rotary.
However, my garden is small and could only hold a very short line, plus the concrete line post looked awful, so I swapped to a rotary. The rotary has the benefits of mucho line in a small area & easy to remove and store returning teh garden to looking good. It is also easier to load, pegs and wash basket on a table at the side and no moving along and bending to a basket on teh floor, but it dries much more slowly - washing closer together and blocking the breeze/sun and washing lower than a line, breeze is stronger higher up.
Yep, I have a drier, but prefer to use a line or clothes horse.
PS - very pretty blue & mauve plastic clothes pegs on sale in Woolworth, 60 for the price of 40, 99 pence. I bought 3packs to replce my old pegs.
What line do you use?
Richtoo
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Post# 18164-6/8/2002-11:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: When I hear you commonwealth folks talk on and on about the Simpson washers, I inevitably think of Homer, Marge, Bart, Lisa, and Maggie...
Do Simpson washers have donut dispensers?
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Post# 18165-6/8/2002-11:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Wooo... an extra 200 rpm for the BIG. Hmmm.
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Post# 18166-6/8/2002-11:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: We call them clothes lines and clothes trees here in the USA.
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Post# 18167-6/8/2002-11:25 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (English/American Translation Service)
MESSAGE: Clothes pen == clothes pin
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Post# 18168-6/8/2002-11:27 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!
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Post# 18169-6/8/2002-11:35 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that link Rich, how interesting. Yet, immediately upon reading some of their claims, I had to object - naturally. What rubbish is this claim about handwashing. A 15 minute handwash will NEVER clean as well as a 69 minute machine wash. Even in days gone by, when people had no other way but to manually wash their clothes, they used other implements like wash boards, brushes, rocks - you name it, to get their clothes clean. Handwashing is the least effective way to clean something unless it has been pre-soaked for a good while and is rubbed vigorously. It just goes to show that tripe sells and those people in Dyson's marketing department have probably only ever experienced a handwash by proxy, when they drop their dirty undies off at the local Chinese laundry. I even doubt if they've ever used a washing machine for any other purpose than to do marketing research 'to get a feel for the product.'
Must admit that the wash action looks cool and I would now like to see one in the flesh doing a real wash - totally love the colors (still, they do remind me a little of Swatch watches). Mind you, two drums rotating in opposite directions means more complicated mechanics that are more expensive to fix if they break down. What do you think?
So, does the two drum system mean greatly reduced cycle times? At least that is how I understand the benfit of their NEW system.
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Post# 18170-6/8/2002-11:43 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Rotary lines (actually they are called Hills Hoists and were invented in Oz) are great, particularly in a stiff breeze. They are a joy to watch, as they spin around laden with colorful garments flapping gayly in the wind and the sun's rays bouncing brightly of the radiantly clean colors. Only one needs to keep an eye on the weather to make sure that clothes get taken in when rain threatens.
Mind you, now I have a line under my balcony, because it keeps clothes out of the rain and sun. The sun here bleaches very well and keeping colored clothes in the shade to dry is wise.
Oh, I do have a dryer too.
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Post# 18171-6/8/2002-11:49 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Well done Kirk,
You have anticipated and answered my questions and my response to Miele (18169) now addresses you as well.
Thanks for that.
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Post# 18172-6/8/2002-11:53 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Yep, that's the one. And did it stir up our Indian population. The add was eventually banned because it offended certain ethnic sensibilities.
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Post# 18173-6/8/2002-11:56 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Actually, Kleenmaid do that here. If you want you can bring your laundry and try out their machines, by appointment only though.
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Post# 18174-6/8/2002-11:59 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I have both; I have a rotary airer for drying regular loads on, and I have one of those retractable lines for drying sheets on. I always dry underwear in the tumble dryer, because a) it dries quicker and b) you don't have to collect millions of pairs of socks when it suddenly starts rainging, as it does here in the UK.
I used to have wooden dolly pegs, but now I have those Supreme Housewares plastic pegs, in jumbo and normal size, with the spring in between the two handles, in red, yellow, blue, green and white. I still use the dolly pegs sometimes, but they're kept at the bottom of the peg basket. I only use the jumbo pegs for hanging up items such as jumpers, towels and jeans, otherwise I'll use the normal sizes ones.
surgilator
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Post# 18175-6/8/2002-11:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I have never in my life heard it called that before, must be a regional thing?
I have a rotary or "umbrella" (outdoor-dryer it said on the box) as I don't have the "T" posts and lines at this house. My grandmother and mother both had the umbrella type and I've always had the same kind. I usually only hang out bed linens and flatwork and they usually stay out most of the day anyway so speed isn't a concern. I love the smell and crispness of the sheets - in the spring when the lilacs are blooming and the air is sweet smelling is the best!
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Post# 18176-6/8/2002-12:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Dryer broken?)
MESSAGE: A neighbor friend of mine always asks when I have sheets out on the line if ALL of my dryers broke at once that I had to hang them outside, the concept of alternatives to mechanical clothes drying is all but lost in the U.S. now.
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Post# 18177-6/8/2002-12:11 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (SHAME ON YOU SUDSMASTER, SHAME!!!)
MESSAGE: That is not funny Sudsmaster and I am deeply disappointed in you and your rather base and insensitive humor - I had thought more highly of you until now. Simpson used to be a family company of the highest renown, at least before they were taken over and gutted during the 1980's. I would also like to point out that the Simpson range of washers is very sophisticated and beautiful. Their machines have soft rounded contours and sleek electronic controls or aqua see thru dials (their web site is down so no pictures). Your inappropriate comparison with that crass cartoon that is poisoning the minds of our youth is unacceptable.
If America had Simpson washers it would be a cleaner, smarter and more beautiful place.
Shamefile, Sudsmaster, Shamefile !!!
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Post# 18178-6/8/2002-12:21 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: The wash action is rather mesmerising to observe (for those of us that don't get out much, anyway LOL). At first, I was skeptical, and thought it would shred or tangle clothes. Surprisingly, it doesn't. It's like a combination of regular FL tumbling, coupled with a swirling motion. The cycle times are shorter than a regular FL, and combined with the capacity, you can see where they come up with the fugure of washing twice as much laundry in the same time.
Obviously, it's too soon to tell whether or not there will be any problems with the transmission, but there haven't been any issues so far with the ones I've sold. The innards of the machine look very sturdy, although I was surprised to see the motor arrangement; there are TWO motors, which drive the same belt. Not sure if one is for wash, the other for spin, or whether one is used to drive forward and the other in reverse. I shall have to ask the rep for further info on that.
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Post# 18179-6/8/2002-12:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Are Kleenmaid more like a car showroom than a regular appliance store? I hear you get a "personal advisor" of sorts to look after you and demonstrate the products, rather than being left to browse.
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Post# 18180-6/8/2002-12:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
This Old House
MESSAGE: I was watching This Old House on Discovery Home & Leisure this morning, and they were touring the appliances of a triple decker they had remodeled in Boston, Massuchussets. The show was from 1991, and they showed a then top of the range fridge freezer (side by side), the dishwasher, the stove and the washer. What I noticed about the dishwasher was that it didn't have two spray arms as they normally do; it had a bottom spray arm and a post that went up through the middle of the bottom basket, which probably acted as the spray arm for the top basket. The dishwasher was also so advanced that it had a heating element, LOL!
The washer had an infinite water level control, and the guy explained it saying if you have high water bills, lower the water level, but he said it as if he was advising washing a full load on low level! The washer also had a self cleaning filter.
All these appliances were 1991 Maytags.
surgilator
LINK: http://www.thisoldhouse.org
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Post# 18181-6/8/2002-12:26 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I use the dryer for everything, but in the past when I used a clothesline, I would never hang my underwear out on it. For some reason, I get really freaked out at the idea of all and sundry getting an eyeful of what I wear on my bum. Weird, or what?
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Post# 18182-6/8/2002-12:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Well, I could see why it might offend some. Personally, I took the ad at face value, and laughed because it was such a ridiculous scene to behold.
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Post# 18183-6/8/2002-12:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Those centre posts in certain American dishwashers are known as "spray towers", I believe. When I was staying in Islamorada, on the Florida Keys, our apartment had a basic 18" wide Roper dishwasher with such an arrangment. The spray tower was telescopic, and extended under the force of the water when the dishwasher was running. Afterwards, it collapsed back into itself, so you could slide the lower rack in and out. Worked very well, although it was rather noisy.
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Post# 18184-6/8/2002-12:38 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I always wash my underwear in one load, on a Quick Wash cycle. Even though the cycle only has a short spin, the socks and boxers are always dry enough after a 900rpm short spin. All they need is 30 more minutes in the dryer. When I do use my dryer, I always use Bounce because it gives the same fragrance as line dried clothes do.
My rotary airer has about 50m of line drying space, and is a 4 arm version by Hills. It's very well built - it's been out in the garden for the last 7 years and hasn't ever been folded down or taken out of it's position. I have replaced the line twice, it used to be yellow but now I've got green, which goes with the pistachio green frame. It cost aroun £70, but it has been well worth it. I don't like the cheaper <£25 lines with the tubular steel frame, it doesn't seem as durable as the heavy duty ones.
surgilator
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Post# 18185-6/8/2002-12:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (SHAME ON YOU SUDSMASTER, SHAME!!!)
MESSAGE: "I fart in your general direction"
Monty Python, circa approx 1975
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Post# 18186-6/8/2002-13:03 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Well, it may have offended more than ethnic sensibilities.
I remember sending my mom a postcard from the jungles of Guatemala several decades ago. It depicted gaily clad Mayan women pounding their laundry on rocks besides an otherwise pristing mountain lake. I wrote her, "Just be glad you didn't have to do it this way when you raised us kids". For some reason she was not amused, but I never did find out exactly why. In any case, from age 11 onward, I was obligated to do my own laundry anyway - she couldn't handle all the house chores and hold down a full time job at the same time. I do remember one laundromat attendant would get kind of pushed out of shape when I would watch the wash action in the speed queen top loader with the lid open. He claimed it damaged the washer. Fooey.
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Post# 18187-6/8/2002-14:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Wow! Yes, the Dysons we saw were about 1000 pounds, and the other decent ones in the 5-600 range. So that is a reduction and your friend got a good buy! Let us know if you get to find out what she thinks of it!
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Post# 18188-6/8/2002-14:58 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Those cheaper rotary lines are what we had when I was growing up. We were living in MoD housing at the time, and the gardens always had one of those dinky little things in it. Eventually, they always broke, and my mother ended up climbing the fences in order to tie up a clothes line!
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Post# 18189-6/8/2002-15:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I think I was about 11 when I started helping out with laundry. Both my parents worked full time, too, so my brother and I were given different jobs between us. There were more than a few distasters to begin with, mainly involving having the wash temperature set too high, but I soon developed a sense for things :o)
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Post# 18190-6/8/2002-15:12 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: At half price, I bet she thinks it's great LOL. Next time I see this particular co-worker, I'll ask if she's had any feedback from her cousin about what she thinks to it.
Funny thing is, my co-worker recently had to buy a new washer, and really wanted the Dyson. But her £500 budget meant she couldn't afford it. After buying a Hotpoint and having it installed, she heard about the £500 Dyson a couple of weeks later... words cannot describe how P'd off about it she was!
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Post# 18191-6/8/2002-17:38 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Spray towers were pretty much the standard here until recently and are still quite common. They seem to wash ok, though I prefer a second spray arm. It's a trade off - the spray tower allows you to load taller items on the bottom without having to worry about the arm hitting them, but takes up room in the bottom rack.
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Post# 18192-6/8/2002-17:41 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I helped out with the washing from a young age. Once I started paying for my own clothes, I refused to let my Mother wash them -- she had an annoying habbit of washing everything in hot water with LOTS of bleach. Washing was not her strong suit.
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Post# 18193-6/8/2002-19:00 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Yep, that's the worst thing about upper spray arms. Often I'll load something like a big baking tray or suchlike into my dishwasher, and forget to check if the top arm can rotate freely. That always results in all the crud being splashed up onto the load in the top rack, and not washing back off again. Then it bakes on during the dry cycle, meaning I have to rewash everything. Mot annoying!
Still, it's nice having the lower rack free. I leave the rear tines folded down on mine permanently, so I can load big pots and pans there. Not sure how I'd manage, having to leave a gap in the middle all the time.
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Post# 18194-6/8/2002-19:05 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: LOL - same here! In the last couple of years before I left home, my mother seemed to start ruining my clothes for some reason. All my colours faded, and my nicest shirts were shrinking in the dryer. She said I was being "obsessional" when I started doing my own things, but it really just boiled down to not being able to afford the losses!
My aunt is the same. All her kids did their own laundry from an early age, because she always insisted on mixing non-fast coloureds and washing them on a hot cycle, with obvious results. The sight of my cousin opening the washer halfway through a cycle in order to rescue a shirt in distress will stay with me forever LOL.
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Post# 18195-6/8/2002-19:17 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
I don't find that wired at all, I wash undies in a spearate load and usually tumble them as they are too fidly to peg out or put on the clothes horse. Sometimes, I do put them on the line, but always put them in the centre and hang larger things around them. I don't want neighbours seeing my smalls, and I doubt they want to see them either.
I remember being horified when invited to a family do at the parents one summer. Mums line comes right to the back door, as we stepped out to sit in the garden, we were greeted with several pairs of those large, well lets call them 'items' that women of a certain age favour hanging right by the door; you know the things, they owe more to science and engineering than fashion designers. I suppose it was a change to seeing them festooning the sitting room radiators.
Actually, this has reminded me of 2 more 'undies on lines' stories.
1, The BF recalls how a neighbours husband hung out the washing when teh wife was ill, bras were hung as they would be worn.
2, A mate in my student days told how he decided to surprise his mum by doing some housework, so did the washing. He did not know that she kept 2 sets of undies, one suitable for line drying and the other suitable for the boudoir. She returned to find peephole bras and spilt whatsit knickers flying for all the neighbours to see.
3, When lodging as a student, my landlord got the rotary out and hung a single jockstrap on it, he was not at all sporty. I was horrified in case the neighbours saw it, I just knew what they would think.
So no Kirk, not wierd, very sensible.
Richtoo
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Post# 18196-6/8/2002-19:26 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: Your welcome Bubs,
I too wondered about the handwashing claim. When I handwashed, I used hot water, boiling for whites, soaking and a damn godd pummeling with a posser, link for those that don't know a posser. Squidgy gentle handwashing always seems to be for non-dirty items.
I also dispute their speed claim, they show 2h18m for 2 7kg loads and claim its twice as fast. My Miele could do 3 5kg loads in 3 hours.
And yep, I guess they will be expensive to fix.
But hey, you wanted innovative!
Richtoo
LINK: http://www.lakelandlimited.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/GBP/ParametricSearch-Start;%24sid%24AxglPT0Cn8CFlpLznhGsHaqBL9HU3eJP?search_typecode=2&search_typecode=4&search_typecode=10&search_typecode=16&search_online=true&search_category_recursive=true&search_attribute_keyword=name&search_attribute_keyword=shortDescription&search_attribute_keyword=longDescription&search_attribute_keyword=SKU&sort_attribute_1=product_name&sort_direction_1=ascending&search_precision_keyword=0&search_query_keyword=posser
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Post# 18197-6/8/2002-19:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hiya Surg,
Nor copying you honest, but I am thinking of getting a retractable line for sheets. We are having teh garden fenced and I could use a fence post for teh free end of the line. Are they strong enough? The rotary is inconvenient for large pieces like sheets.
Richtoo
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Post# 18198-6/8/2002-19:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Super Rinse/No. Rinse Cycles)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
I believe you are right. And they are expensive, but are marketed at large families.
Richtoo
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Post# 18199-6/8/2002-19:35 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Do post the supplier, I would be interested too.
Richtoo
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Post# 18200-6/8/2002-19:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!
Do you ever watch The League of Gentlemen on TV? If so, you'll notice the scenes in the opening credits are different each week, and show the residents of Royston Vasey doing their usual off-the-wall things. One week, it was a middle-aged woman hanging out her washing, which consisted mainly of items fashioned from black rubber. I think the funniest thing about that is that there's bound to be someone, somewhere, who actually does that! LOL
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Post# 18201-6/8/2002-19:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk
Is this for real? Despite teh Merloni sale.
Richtoo
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Post# 18202-6/8/2002-19:38 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: My pal has one of those. It's the same as any other regular plastic-coated line, except it rewinds back into a reel when it's done. Looks much neater than having a line out all the time.
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Post# 18203-6/8/2002-19:42 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Hi Surg & Kirk,
Miele offer a simialr coold down on 95C and 75C washes but it is a programmable extra. I have it set as it protects inquisitive boys how may be poking around teh drain when it pumps out, you know what cats are like.
Richtoo
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Post# 18204-6/8/2002-19:47 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Had to do a little Google search there, as I'd completely forgotten the weblink. But I've found it, and have posted said link accordingly.
Be prepared, it's rather expensive, although it sounds quite economical to use compared to some other detergents. And it has some form of built-in softener, which would negate the need to buy it separately.
There's quite a lot of interesting products on the site, which you'll probably be interested in. Think I might consider trying some of them myself!
LINK: http://www.greenbrands.co.uk
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Post# 18205-6/8/2002-19:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Yes, it is. Last time I spoke to the rep, he told me that Hotpoint will now be targeting the higher end of the market. The reason behind this is that Bosch has a 5-year plan, with the intent to grab the #1 spot. Hotpoint want to stop that happening, and steal customers from Bosch while they're at it.
I think Hotpoint will always be #1 in terms of volume, as most Brits buy Hotpoint on name alone. As for quality, I don't think they'll ever quite make it into the same league as Bosch, AEG and the like. My money is on everything staying pretty much as it is now.
Having said that, the new Hotpoint refrigeration lineup will give Bosch a run for their money... it really is good stuff. The styling might not be to everyone's tastes, but apart from that, I'm quite impressed at the good job they made of it all.
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Post# 18206-6/8/2002-20:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
My Bosch is the same. There are two \95/ markings on the programme selector, one which has a little graphic of a tap below it, and one which doesn't. The former cools down the wash water before pump-out, with about seven litres of cold water. The latter just drains the water as normal.
Current Bosch models have the cooldown phase locked into the cycle, so you can't deselect it. On the rare occasions I use a boilwash, I always select cooldown, as it dilutes the wash water and therefore gives a headstart on rinsing.
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Post# 18207-6/8/2002-20:15 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: I will now attempt to more economically respond to a number of posts in one response as far as that may be humanly possible for me.
Okay Post 18185 (Sudsmaster)
POOH That Stinks Mate! What did you have for lunch? Next time cup it!
Post 18186 (Sudsmaster)
Maybe your mother had to wash clothes that way when she was a child and looking at that post card brought back traumatic memories of a careless childhood floating down a river and being lost in its murky depths.
Had you been in my laundromat I would have allowed you to keep looking at the open SQ under the proviso that you clean all the big commercial dryers' filter screens. That would have fixed you wayward behaviour in a jiffy.
Post 18188 (Kirk)
What is MoD housing? Tell the truth, those dinky things broke because you kids would hang off them and play Jungle Jim. Consider yourself lucky that I wasn't your mother.
Posts 18186, 18189 & 18192 (Sudsmaster, kirk & washfreak)
There is a definite pattern emerging here and a common theme of early childhood/adolescent aberrant behaviour resonates through all of these posts. I too began to develope this unnatural fascination from an early age. My parents also ran a business and mum was too busy to do all the housework herself particularly since we lived in two places simultaneously. Mum wouldn't let the domestic near our house. The cleaning lady was only allowed to help in the business premises and our town apartment. I had to assume those domestic reponsibilities at our house and still live with the stigma of dusting, cooking, washing and having to change my sister's dirty nappies - it it was WOMEN's work and I am a MAN!!!!
Now it is confession time, whilst you are all at it, I will share a secret I have never divulged to a living soul until now. That little Siemens top loader that was my mother's very first washing machine wasn't broken. I just made that up to make my parents buy a front loader with a window so I could sit in front of it and watch the bubbles. All my silly cousins had front loaders and I used to sneak into their houses and start doing their laundry just so I could watch the bubbles at their place. I never understood why they could have front loaders and they weren't even interested in the bubbles and I wasn't allowed to watch the bubbles, but had to look at our poxy little metal tin with a lid that didn't even spin dry - my early childhood was a bitch.
Now promise me that this story will never leave this forum, you are the only people who understand me.
Post 18192 & 18194 (washfreak & kirk)
I would say that your mothers were giving you very obvious hints - 'either you do your own washing or, even better, move out altogether.' Actions often speak much louder than words. I hope I havn't opened any old psychological scars with this observation. Your mothers must be very astute women.
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Post# 18208-6/8/2002-20:22 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Forgot to mention...)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
One thing I forgot to mention is that Greenbrands also offer a trial pack. You can select three different products you'd like to try out, and £4.95 gets you 150ml of each. Follow the link from the front page, and you'll see the online form where you can order the samples.
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Post# 18209-6/8/2002-20:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,
MoD = Ministry of Defence. My father is in the Navy, and due to the nature of the job, buying a house isn't really feasible; no sooner you move in, you get posted elsewhere and it's time to start packing again. The MoD owns housing estates all over the country, in order to provide houses for servicemen and their families to rent. They take care of all the maintenance, and bill you for any damages once you move out. Therefore, we got to be quite good at hiding said damages, especially the time my hamster chewed a big hole in the lounge carpet.
There is another story involving the hamster and our frequent house moves, but I'm not sure you'll want to hear it... it's a bit freaky, to say the least.
And yes, that rotary line incident was a result of my brother and I hanging from it. How did you guess?? LOL
Moving on, what's all this about you going to such great lengths for a front loader? You really are the dark horse! I doubt anyone would think any less of you for it, but rest assured that your secret is safe with us :o)
Crashing on yet again, you're probably right about this secret plan mothers have to get their kids to move out. Having said that, my intention was always to move out as soon as I could afford to. Nothing against living with the folks, it's just that I prefer to come and go as I please, and do my own thing. And I don't have to worry about bumping into my mother as I run unclothed from the bathroom LOL.
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Post# 18210-6/8/2002-21:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: Rich, a good one!!! Tacky, but good.
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Post# 18211-6/8/2002-21:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Thanks Rich for the clarrification in coloquialisms. Glad someone could translate for me. (Hey Ed, where are ya when I need ya).
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Post# 18212-6/8/2002-23:15 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: I've noticed Ecos is more expensive on-line in the USA, also. Online here, it's about $15 a gallon. At Trader Joe's, it's about $10 a gallon.
I really like the fragrance of this stuff, and it's pretty good at cleaning as well. For really dirty stuff though I got back to my blend of Sears HE powder and STPP in a 2:1 ratio. And then I have to add my custom mix of white distilled vinegar and Calming Mist Downy Enhancer (five squirts from an old shampoo bottle). Excuse me while I go answer my trimline phone.
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Post# 18213-6/8/2002-23:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,
As a matter of interest, what is the Ecos liquid like when it comes to sudsing? Or, more importantly, does it rinse easily? Reason I ask is because virtually every other liquid I've used has been terrible in this respect, except Persil.
I'll have to try the vinegar sometime, too, as I've heard great things about it. Only problem is, I only have malt vinegar, as the distilled stuff isn't as common in England. It's only when you cross the border and enter Scotland that it seems to become more abundant, for some reason!
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Post# 18214-6/8/2002-00:17 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (AEG Extra Rinse)
MESSAGE: Do it Surge!
I just love AEG's.
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Post# 18215-6/8/2002-00:24 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Ecos is a bit like Fresh Start (another soap based liquid). Basically it's more or less low sudsing, but not HE. So, in a FL you use 1/2 to 2/3 the normal amount you'd use in a TL. It seems to rinse away just fine, although I normally don't check on this with the Neptune, I just check on wash sudsing level. I typically always add an extra rinse so I figure if the wash suds level is ok, then the rinsing will be ok as well.
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Post# 18216-6/8/2002-00:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (SHAME ON YOU SUDSMASTER, SHAME!!!)
MESSAGE: Old Simpsons especially were truly beautiful washers. If only I could find one of those solid state control ones!
The Simpson company also lent its name to Australia's enourmous Simpson Desert. An area larger than many European nations. Simpson funded an exploration trip.
I also like how Simpson has a new agitator pattern when it releases an new model washer. Makes opening the lid in the store all worthwhile as their is something new inside as well as outside.
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Post# 18217-6/8/2002-00:43 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: I still think it is as ugly as a pimple on a pigs backside.
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Post# 18218-6/9/2002-05:48 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
White vinegar should be easily avavilable in any supermarket. Sainsburys do an own brand at 45p or so for a half litre bottle. Sarsons brand also do it at about 65p half litre in other supermarkets. I keep a bottle to hand to use as a laundry rinse for some things, eg to deal with soap on teh shower curtain.
PS Thanks for the link.
Richtoo
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Post# 18219-6/9/2002-06:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Hi, all. I need a bit of advice. Exactly how do you paint a washer? Can it be done and how do you do this ( you know, surface preparation, etc...)? And what kind of paint is used and where can you get it? The Frigidaire 1-18 I rescued is in OK shape (no rust spots or anything) but it seems that the paint is "worn thin", and it's like you can almost see bare metal in spots. Also the guys who were holding it for me managed to take a big chip out of the top near the lid so that is definitely bare metal.
On the GE I found at the estate sale, there are a few rust spots on the body of the cabinet, concentrated at the bottom of the machine - indicates to me that the basement where the machine lived was a bit wet. (I noticed that the "moose GE dryer" that went with the washer was on a platform). So this may need just some spot touch up.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Post# 18220-6/9/2002-06:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
How to Identify an Original Part
MESSAGE: OK, OK, so I am going to be a pest today. Next question. How can I tell what an original part should have been on the GE washer I found? Here's the deal. The machine has the big round dial with the silver control panel and the name and logo on the top left of the control panel. But the agitator that is in the machine is the white, straight 4 vaned activator. For some reason, I think it should have been the turquoise, 8 vaned activator. But I want to know for sure. AFter all, no reason to torture myself finding the turquoise agitator if I can't use it in that machine. Which brings me to question #2, CAN I change the agitator without a major deal or if the white one is the one that is supposed to be there, should I just learn to live with it????
The model number is WWA8420NJLWH and the serial number is SA139064G. Thanks again for any assistance.
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Post# 18221-6/9/2002-06:56 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Kirk)
MESSAGE: Hoover Floorcare I THINK is half owned by Godfreys and Maytag.
They have a range of Windtunnel uprights that are imported from the US and a variety of barrell types that are made in Asia somewhere but feel better quality that some of the rubbishy cheapo vacuums like Sanyo.
For some strange reason they are not available in Grace Bros and Retravision though you can find them in DJ's Harvey Norman and Binglee. When it was Hoover Australia they were available in all stores everywhere. Dont know if this has anything to do with Godfreys half.
All I know is the Hoover would make a nice middle range to offer in stores like Grace Bros as they have a lot of the cheaper end stuff and then all the expensive Electrolux Oxygens and Dysons.
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Post# 18222-6/9/2002-09:07 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the extra info, Suds :o)
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Post# 18223-6/9/2002-09:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: LOL - yes, it is rather a love-it-or-hate-it thing. Half the folks who see it think it looks gorgeous, the other half think it's hideous.
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Post# 18224-6/9/2002-09:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (detergent dosing)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
In that case, I shall keep my eyes peeled for it. Must admit I tend to spend ages browsing the laundry products and deciding what to choose, then just quickly skim over everything else :o)
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Post# 18225-6/9/2002-09:22 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (A posser, huh?)
MESSAGE: Hi mein Herr,
I never knew what those things were called. Thanks for that litle post and what a nice-looking little implement it is.
I actually wrote about such a thing a couple of months ago. In fact it was about my mother's posser, that she used in the early days of limited resources. Her posser was big enough for use in a large laundry tub, in fact, I think it was intended for use in a copper. Hers was shaped like a shiny copper bell on a stick with a spring-loaded inner bit. You pushed it down on the clothes and it would spring back up again, like a pogo stick. Mum developed quite a knack for using this thing and got a bit of a rythm going. She really liked her jumping laudry bell (posser) and totally swore by its effectiveness. It was apparently better than a scrubbing board.
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Post# 18226-6/9/2002-09:41 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Info! (antique dishwashers - loved the link)
MESSAGE: A very interesting link Unimatic, but why the 'supposed' history of the dishwasher? Do you have other info that disputes the article in your link?
Now I am actually really intrigued by the sink units dating back to the 1920's. I never realized that there already existed such a thing as a domestic dishwasher at that time. You wouldn't have any more info on those and the first domestic dishwashers that were developed by that Cochrane woman? How do you actually get this material?
Thank you again for that.
Bubbles
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Post# 18227-6/9/2002-09:50 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Well Kirk, I am actually stuck in the middle then. I don't know how I feel about the Dyson washer. As I said, it reminds me of something designed by Swatch. I sort of could get used to the entire color scheme. Yeah, actually, I think I like the colors. It is definitely a different kind of product. Even the baffles are funky, do they come in different colors too? The washers look as if they glow in the dark - do they?
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Post# 18228-6/9/2002-09:58 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
Although I have been less than comlimentary in my opinions of Dyson products, I do rather like their looks & colours. My gripe is that they are so over-priced and not as solidly made as I would expect for top-end pricing.
Richtoo
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Post# 18229-6/9/2002-10:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Hiya Bubs,
Must admit, the shape of the front panel does look rather "clunky". I do like the sweep of the control panel, though, and the way the controls are set out. Personally, I would get rid of the outer door, and just have the inner door like the BOL Askos do.
I'm rather divided when it comes to the colour choice. The white models look great, IMHO, but the all-purple one is hideous. I'm not terribly keen on the silver one, either, as I think it looks drab.
Of course, whether you love it or hate it, one has to remember that it's designed to stand out. There's no way Dyson would want this product to blend in or look inconspicuous. Some folks really like that, others think it spoils a good concept. I can see both sides to that argument.
The drum baffles, by the way, are always yellow. And, unfortunately, the machines don't glow in the dark. That would be TOO cool!
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Post# 18230-6/9/2002-10:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
I suppose you have to hand it to the guy for thinking out of the box; perhaps there isn't enough of that kind of thinking these days. Must say I do rather admire his analytical nature, and the way he tries to rethink products from the ground up.
The prices are steep, for sure. My guess is that they're still trying to recoup their R&D costs by charging megabucks at wholesale. It'll be interesting to see what the prices are like in a few years time - the machine is still a novelty right now, but once that wears off, we'll see the REAL price.
My only complaint about durability is the outer door. Although it's pretty tough, it just feels flimsy, which is the wrong impression to give when you're trying to sell something at that price. The dispenser drawer is overcomplicated as well, and would have been better in a standard pull-out design.
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Post# 18231-6/9/2002-10:20 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Retractable Lines)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,
I don't know whether it'll be strong enough, because mine runs from the circular housing on the garage wall and the line hooks onto a hook on the house wall.
Jonny
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Post# 18232-6/9/2002-12:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: A bit like Marmite, actually!
Jon
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Post# 18233-6/9/2002-12:35 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: My Hotpoint has a different cool down system, it pumps the 95oC water out of the drain, but the first rinse is filled with hot and cold water, i.e. it does a warm rinse instead to prevent thermal shock. My dishwasher also has a cooldown cycle from 65oC: at the end of the main wash the dishwasher switches off the heating elements and fills up with cold water; this is more of a safety feature to dishes for prevention of thermal shock as it goes into a cold rinse. This isn't activated on the final Hot Rinse though, as the hot air from the final rinse is used in the Turbo Drying process.
Is the water still hot when it goes down the drain from 95oC washes, after the cooldown cycle? Or is it cold?
jon
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Post# 18234-6/9/2002-12:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Hehehehehe!
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Post# 18235-6/9/2002-13:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
Your Hotpoint does a WARM cooldown rinse? Sounds like there are quite a few differences between your WM64, and the WM61 we had, despite being part of the same model series. Ours just took in cold water for the cooldown.
Does your detergent dispenser work the same way ours did? The mainwash compartment would only give hot water, never cold. If the machine wanted cold, it had to fill through the prewash compartment (this included the rinse fills, too). Naturally, the softener compartment also took cold water. For programmes up to and including \50/, it filled through the prewash (cold) and mainwash (hot) compartments at the same time, resulting in tepid fill. Of course, this seemed rather odd at first, but when I took the top off the machine to check, I could see the dispenser pipework was intentionally plumbed this way at the factory.
Did any of that make sense? It's kind of hard to describe without making it sound confusing.
My Zanussi dishwasher doesn't do any form of cooldown at the end of the wash phase - it just pumps out, refills with cold water and starts rinsing. The residual heat in the tub and sump seems to have the effect of preheating the rinse water quite effectively, judging from the touch-test. What dishwasher do you have, by the way?
The cooldown on my Bosch washer lowers the water temperature to around 60*C before drain. It only takes in about 7 litres of cold water, not enough to take it right down to cold.
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Post# 18236-6/9/2002-13:36 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Are these dishwashers plumbed to both hot and cold feeds? Dishwashers in the states are only connected to the hot water line.
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Post# 18237-6/9/2002-13:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: European dishwashers can usually be connected to either hot or cold water, although most manufacturers stress in the manuals that they recommend cold. Of course, the fact that we have 220v power means that our dishwashers have powerful heating elements, which can heat the water very quickly.
For what it's worth, I've tried my dishwasher with both hot and cold fill, and couldn't tell any difference in the performance. The wash times were reduced somewhat, however, as the headstart meant the heating time was reduced.
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Post# 18238-6/9/2002-13:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Quite frankly, I'm strictly an automatic tumble dryer kinda guy. The thought of having to do chalestenics simply to dry laundry do not turn me on. Besides, like today, I'm doing 5 loads of wash and I think my whole back yard would be full of sheets & towels by the time I got them all done. I also do not enjoy the harshness of line-dried towels and my mom did it occassionally when I was a kid, even though she used fabric softener. When I really needed to save money, I used to take t-shirts & jersey shorts and put them on hangers and dry them in the garage during the summer--plus my golf shirts. DID NOT enjoy the stiff experience next to my skin. Sorry to be such a wet blanket, but it's MY opinion.
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Post# 18239-6/9/2002-13:59 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: My AEG manual states that cold water should only be used to fill the machine, due to it's special rinsing system. Dishwashers over here are connected to cold fill only here - I've never seen a dishwasher before with hot fill only. Asko dishwashers take in both hot and cold.
Jon
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Post# 18240-6/9/2002-14:01 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk
I have an AEG FAVORIT 5040
Jon
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Post# 18241-6/9/2002-14:04 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi appnut,
I dry my towels on the line, however, I run them through a 5 min drying cycle just to fluff them up. I don't dry towels in the dryer that often because all the fluff clogs up the fluff filter quickly, and I often have to put them in for 120 minutes because of this. And having the heat setting stuck on low doesn't work either, lol! When the heat setting switch worked, I could dry towels in 60 minutes, the dryer did used to be very quick.
Jon
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Post# 18242-6/9/2002-14:09 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: I think that may have been because the Aquarius series was divided into two parts; the higher part (WM64/WM63 1200 and 1100spin) had the Advanced Intelligent Care system, the lower end (WM62/61 1000/900spin) had the Intelligent Care system. My auntie has a WM62, and hers doesn't seem to do a warm rinse either like mine. The Advanced Intelligent Care system had a few more features than the standard Intelligent Care system; Advanced Intelligent Care had unbalance detection, automatic water level, temperature sensed fill, pulse spin and the warm cooldown rinse; the Intelligent Care system only had unbalance detection and automatic water level.
What year was yours bought in? I've had mine since 24th December 1998 (It was an early Christmas present, LOL!)
Jon
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Post# 18243-6/9/2002-14:11 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: that should read:
"doesn't help, either"
Jon
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Post# 18244-6/9/2002-14:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Dryer broken?)
MESSAGE: Greg, since I kinda live in a "rural" type of town with lots of Czech & German heritage people who live in the country, I was at a party last Sat. and two ladies were discussing getting the wash hung outside early enough on Sat. Of course, I inquired if they only washed on Sat. They said no, they wash during the week but since they both work, they don't have time to hang out wash during the week. Only on Saturdays.
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Post# 18245-6/9/2002-14:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: This Old House
MESSAGE: Surge, I remember watching that show when it was originally aired. Yup, all Maytags. The washer & dryer was one step down from their top of the line at the time. The dishwasher was the old style with the belt-drive mechanism. There was a full-size spray arm at the top of the tub. The plates went in the top rack & the glasses went in the bottom rack. That style was replaced in late 1991 with the more traditional arrangement.
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Post# 18246-6/9/2002-14:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: I agree, I wouldn't want my undies flapping in the breeze either for all to see.
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Post# 18247-6/9/2002-14:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I started doing the laundry around age 7. My mom believed in throwing everything together. When I learned from one of her best friends to "sort" mom & I would lock horns. Sometimes I won, other times she won. Now you know why I'm such a picky sorter now--color & fabric & cycle.
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Post# 18248-6/9/2002-14:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: Well the truth be told, another reason why I don't line dry is that it's a hasstle to put something on to go outside to hang out the wash. I just couldn't be bothered and don't wanna flash the neighbours.
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Post# 18249-6/9/2002-15:24 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: My Asko (in the states) has only 1 inlet connection.
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Post# 18250-6/9/2002-15:52 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi all
Ever since the age of 2, I was allowed to press the cycle button on our Hoover and pull out the dial in order to start the machine. Around age 12, I started doing my own laundry as mum started to get pissed off at me because I wanted my clothes with a special washing powder and on a special cycle with a certain temperature. My mum always used to believe in washing with 60oC.
Now, the cycles I always and most commonly use are the \95/ cycle (maintenance wash) each month, \60/ for towels and bed linen, \40/ for regular clothes and \->/ Quick Wash for underwear.
Always dry clothes in the dryer for around 100 mins, because, as I said before, the fluff filter fills up very soon affecting drying performance and also as the heat setting is stuck on low heat.
Hey Kirk, Richtoo, Mike, Dave; which cycles do you use most for doing your laundry? (Anyone else can answer too if they wanna!)
Jon
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Post# 18251-6/9/2002-16:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
That's the same dishwasher I considered getting at the time. When I went to order it, there was a stock shortage, so I ended up getting the Zanussi rather than waiting. But I always preferred the lower basket layout on the AEG, and the pushbutton controls. A co-worker who has one says it's very quiet, too.
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Post# 18252-6/9/2002-16:42 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Ah, that explains it! My cousin has a WM64, but since I only visit once in a blue moon, I've never observed it in action. Never knew there were such differences between the models.
If I remember correctly, my folks bought the WM61 in late '96 or early '97, while I was still living at home. At the time, I suggested a Hoover New Wave instead, on the recommendation of a co-worker, but my mother wanted something simpler at the time.
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Post# 18253-6/9/2002-16:43 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Well, it seems like there's been quite a few people agree with me on this one - perhaps I'm not as weird as I thought, after all! LOL
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Post# 18254-6/9/2002-16:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: All depends on whether or not you have a secluded garden! My dinky little balcony is overlooked by my neighbours, who would be able to see everything... not good!
If I'm going to be honest here, the real reason I always use the dryer is sheer laziness. The appeal of just opening the dryer door, throwing a load in and being done with it is too much for me to ignore LOL.
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Post# 18255-6/9/2002-17:31 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
My mother was the same, washing coloureds at 60*C. The time she boilwashed my black 501s, and turned them light grey, was what prompted me to start doing my own laundry.
Normally, I use the 60*C cottons cycle for towels and bed linens, and 40*C cottons for "general" laundry. Work shirts and trousers are washed on the 40*C easy-cares cycle, separately from each other of course. I use the 40*C delicates programme for sweaters and Fred Perry polos, as any other cycle tends to beat them out of shape.
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Post# 18256-6/9/2002-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: I have a very large "garden" and the house is on a higher elevation of the lot and slopes down from the back of the house. The street behind me can see into my patio. I also like the convenience of the tumble dryer.
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Post# 18257-6/9/2002-17:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon
I use \95/ every week for cleaning cloths, \60/ several times a week, towels, bed linen, jeans, non boilable whites, 50C perm press for nearly all clothes, divided into blacks/navy, lights and mids, these loads will contain t-shirts, shirts, trousers, also use the 50C pp for underwear. I used to use the \40/quick for blacks, but have switched to 50. I also use 40 delicate for fleeces.
My most frequently used cycles are 60 cottons and 50 pp.
Richtoo
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Post# 18258-6/9/2002-18:03 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (95oC Cooldown)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
I have never tested the pump out water from a boil wash, but teh Miele only takes in a small amount of cold for cool down, so I guess teh water would be still very hot. I actually only check pump out water if I need to check if a new garment is still loosing excess colour, though usually I open the door and scoop a glass of wash water out to do this.
Richtoo
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Post# 18259-6/9/2002-18:07 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob,
Do you sort according to dirt level too? I hate to wash very dirty things with slightly soiled in case the dirt redeposits, so either wash them alone or give the a prewash and then add other suitable items to make a load. I rarely get things very dirty so it is not a major issue.
Richtoo
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Post# 18260-6/9/2002-18:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Hi again Bob,
I agree that line dried clothes at towels can be very stiff and scrtachy. I give my laundry a 10 min cold timble to soften, fluff and de-crease before I hang it on teh line or over a clothes horse (rack). It adds extra work, but I feel too guilty to use the dryer. I actually love pegging laundry out, if it is a nice day, I can't be bothered if it looks like it will rain and I would have to bring it in before it was dry, so I use the rack then. Pegging clothes oout always reminds me of the prole woman in '1984', singing as she was pegging out whilst Winston and Julia were in bed.
Richtoo
Richtoo
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Post# 18261-6/9/2002-18:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: The convenience is probably the main thing for me, but I also like the way things come out of a dryer. Jeans and sweaters are feel unbearably stiff and restrictive to me when line dried, and I like the way towels "bulk up" in the dryer.
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Post# 18262-6/9/2002-19:21 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Permanent Press and Delicate - I hardly ever use regular. The hottest I wash is 140 (60) degrees or warm (=mix of hot&cold) and sometimes cold. I separate my whites from colorfasts and wash them either on hot/PP, or more delicate stuff,like thermal shirts, undies and knits on warm/delicate.
My colorfasts (of similar coloring)I tend to wash either on warm or hot permanent press, depending on how dirty they are (I have found that instruction labels can be inaccurate and stuff that isn't meant to, actually does leak). Stuff like heavy jeans and anything that is very dirty gets a good soaking and the odd extra rinse. Clothes that leak heavily I wash separately on cold/delicate (adding a little vinegar to help set the color).
For really fragile garments I have washbags, which allows me to throw them in with a warm permanent press or delicate load of lighter fabrics, not heavy denims and the like of course.
I sometimes do small loads and have been known to just throw in one item only, because it was needed and me being too lazy to do a quick handwash. I have a laundry tub next to my washer, so if I do handwash anything I can just chuck it in for a quick spin and may even add a spray rinse. I don't have the time to wash every day, that's why I like larger machines. I usually do my laundry on Saturdays and with six people in the house that equates to four or five 14 lbs loads.
Sometimes, when I get SQ withdrawals, I will just chuck in what's on the laundry floor, even if it doesn't amount to a full load. I can't be politically correct all the time, I am just a humn being.
I mainly line dry in summer and mostly machine dry in winter due to higher humidity in my area during that season. We live next to a forrest and have a creek nearby so in winter it can get a bit damp.
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Post# 18263-6/9/2002-19:32 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: Nope, no line drying here. However, when my mother did laundry many years ago with her wringer Maytag, she used several lines to dry the clothes.
The trick to hang out the "unmentionables" was to first hang out your sheets. Usually she washed these first in the hottest, fresh wash water. Remember, this was a wringer without a sudsaver.
After the sheets came all the bras, panties and slips from her and my two sisters. They got hung between the sheets away from the prying eyes of the neighborhood.
The rest of our underwear got hung out for the world to see!!
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Post# 18264-6/9/2002-19:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,
You make a good point about the washing instructions on the care labels. Some clothes end up looking like crap if you follow the instructions, so using one's own judgement is usually a better policy. It's not rocket science, after all, and anyone with a knowledge of the basics can work out for themselves the best way to look after a garment.
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Post# 18265-6/9/2002-19:41 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: I think my mother used to have three lines years ago, back when she was washing terry nappies in a twin tub. Although she had a dryer, the lines were probably a better option for those particular circumstances; a few dozen nappies can be done rather quickly in a twin tub, therefore a dryer wouldn't have been able to keep up. At least she had enough room on the lines to hang them out all at once.
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Post# 18266-6/9/2002-19:49 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: Like what is the big secret? We have all seen bras and undies before. Shock Horror!
We live on a corner block and as most Australians do we hang our washing on the hills hoist. We had a really old one that wound up really high flying our familys undies for all the world to see like a flag on a post!
Like Kirk and his brother, myself, my brother and sister pulled it out of the ground when all three of us decided to take a swing on it!
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Post# 18267-6/9/2002-19:54 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: How many in your family Kirk? Your mum seems to wash a lot of nappies!
A friend of mine spent 16 years as an only child when her parents told her she was going to have a baby brother or sister. My best friend when i was growing up, his mum had a little late in life surprize too. Another girl in my year at school had a new baby brother when she was in year 9. Needless to say they were all quite grossed out at their parents.
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Post# 18268-6/9/2002-19:57 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: As I said before I like hard scratchy towels that remove a layer of skin when you dry yourself with them.
Mum has bought all these new towels that are all sof t and fluffy and I drip dry by the time they have absorbed any moisture.
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Post# 18269-6/9/2002-19:58 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I read in good housekepping magazine that the most popular cucles were 40oC cotton and 50oC sythetics.
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Post# 18270-6/9/2002-19:59 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: You should hang out really outrageous items Kirk, just to get your neighbours talking!
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Post# 18271-6/9/2002-20:03 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I too love sun dried sheets. I think most people in the states would save quite a bit on their bills if they line dried. or is electricity really cheap in the states?
I think it is great excercise, though I ca see it would be a problem in winter or if you have those home owner associations dictating to you how to live your life.
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Post# 18272-6/9/2002-20:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Between the Sheets...)
MESSAGE: Perhaps I'd be less worried about the whole thing if my boxer shorts didn't all have Bart Simpson or Mickey Mouse on the front LOL. My dryer isn't going to give such secrets away!
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Post# 18273-6/9/2002-20:17 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Hullo kirk)
MESSAGE: I always thought possers were some ind of rich men that Destiny's Child always seem to rave on about. That is if you can understand anything they are saying in there songs.
I cant believe that their songs are so specific to a certain culture yet everyone buys them all around the world. ( I am guilty of this i must admit I bought the say my name single ) i am thinking of recording a rap single about getting on my best flannellette shirt and getting my drongo mates together to go down to the rooty hill rsl and hit on a chick named Shazza. Or maybe a about putting on an adidas track suit and getting into the Subaru WRX with my fully sick maaates and going for a drive by shooting in bankstown.
Dont they sound like international hits?
Give me Kylie anyday!
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Post# 18274-6/9/2002-20:21 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: So you wear boxers hey?
Just a quick poll here of who wears boxers and who wears briefs? I dont like that hanging free sensation of boxers.
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Post# 18275-6/9/2002-20:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: Just myself and one older brother, two years apart. My mother always kept a huge stockpile of nappies at the ready, and had a thing about changing them frequently whether they needed it or not. Normal practise is to wait until they're soiled first, and looking back, she can now see how she made more work for herself.
Someone I know has just had another sproglet, and already has daughters aged 12 and 14. The eldest was mortified when she found out, and shut herself away in her room for a week. The poor girl was obviously highly embarassed by the whole thing, but soon came round to the idea. I can understand what she must have been feeling, though, as I'd be the same in that situation. Don't even want to imagine it!
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Post# 18276-6/9/2002-20:37 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: I rekon it would be fun to have a baby bro or sis to play with, and not have the responsibility for.
My friends have just had another baby, they already have 14 month old girl who is so cute. They are so much fun to play with but when it comes to feeding or nappy time I realise I am not ready to be a parent!
When your friends have babies, you realise you are getting old. You also realise you should think about a place of your own.
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Post# 18277-6/9/2002-20:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: Although I prefer soft towels, bathrobes are nicer when they're on the rough side. Normally I wash it without using softener, then really bake it in the dryer. That way, it just sucks up all the moisture within seconds of putting it on - nice in the winter, when one really doesn't want to stay wet for too long after getting out of the bath.
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Post# 18278-6/9/2002-20:44 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
How do you say Bauknecht?
MESSAGE: Is it Bork Net or Bow Nay or Bow Nesht?
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Post# 18279-6/9/2002-20:45 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post! (line drying of laundry)
MESSAGE: Don't think I have any outrageous gear. My pal, however, has several T-shirts with disgusting slogans on the front, which he proudly hangs out for all to see. Depends how brazen one is, I suppose!
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Post# 18280-6/9/2002-20:47 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!!
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Post# 18281-6/9/2002-20:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: Well, I guess I like being pampered with my nice tumble dried towels complete with downey Enhancer added to the final rinse. All nice & fluffy & absorbantr. I'm just spoiled rotten.
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Post# 18282-6/9/2002-20:49 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Maybe I wont tell you then about my experience in Going commando.
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Post# 18283-6/9/2002-20:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Well, it might be great exercise, but I'm physically challenged. I can just see myself trying to repeatedly bend & stretch hanging up the wash, I'd probably end up more times than not falling on the ground with wet wash (which would have to be rewashed). So, I guess in the long-run, it's cheaper for me to use an automatic dryer.
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Post# 18284-6/9/2002-20:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: It's either briefs or nothing (commando style).
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Post# 18285-6/9/2002-20:56 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: In your case that is true.
A lot of people take the lazy option when the are perfectly capable and that annoys me. Leave the elevator for older ones or mums with prams, and take the stairs or escalator.
Another pet hate is people who drive around and around the car park looking for the ost park near the entrance. I always go furtherest away, find a park nearly first time and dont have to worry too mcuh about trolleys and car doors damaging my car.
Then people who really do have infirmities would have things just a little bit easier but we live in a selfish world where most people just dont think about how their actions impact.
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Post# 18286-6/9/2002-21:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Harry, thank you for the kind words. Bob
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Post# 18287-6/9/2002-21:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: Have you tried using a loofa or a good stiff brush while in the shower? That way the shedded skin will go down the drain.
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Post# 18288-6/9/2002-21:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I don't like the way boxers bunch up.
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Post# 18289-6/9/2002-21:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: There was a time when I wouldn't have minded a younger sibling, but as I got older that changed. Probably due to the fact that my brother and I eventually grew closer over the years, and get on really well nowadays. The dog pretty much acts as a surrogate younger brother, anyway LOL.
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Post# 18290-6/9/2002-21:09 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: I do that too.
Just call me pinky!
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Post# 18291-6/9/2002-21:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: How do you say Bauknecht?
MESSAGE: I've heard it pronounced Bowk-Neckt and Bowk-Nesht. Rather like Miele, people pronounce it differently depending on how they read it I think.
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Post# 18292-6/9/2002-21:12 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: If it involves a crushing injury, please don't LOL.
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Post# 18293-6/9/2002-21:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I agree with you guys. I get very annoyed when I see a perfectly able individual park in the handicapped zones. I've had lower limb injuries - broken leg, broken ankle, broken foot, etc, and temporary handicapped parking privileges, and I appreciate how helpful they can be when one is mobility challenged. Some healthy people "borrow" their relative's handicapped placards, which is really sub-scum behavior.
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Post# 18294-6/9/2002-21:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I once discovered that going commando is not recommended when riding a motorcycle. Waaaay too breezy!
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Post# 18295-6/9/2002-21:16 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: That is so low. To think that one would go to so much trouble to park in a handicap park is unbelievable. then there are those people who park in no parking zones too.
Its not that far to walk and if you have heavy shopping use a trolley and put it back where it belongs in a return bay of which plenty are provided.
But even that is too much trouble. Dont get me started on the trolleys we have found on our front lawn.
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Post# 18296-6/9/2002-21:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Me neither, but I find briefs tend to cause wedgies (hope I'm not being too graphic here LOL). Given the choice, I'd take bunching up any day!
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Post# 18297-6/9/2002-21:24 ||| Arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Not unless you have briefs with good elastic.
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Post# 18298-6/9/2002-21:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Not exactly a pleasant sensation! Riding pillion, I've never experienced it in *that* area, but have had my knees and shins frozen solid. Eventually I gave in and bought a set of leathers, which block out the breeze completely, and have a sauna effect in the summer :o)
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Post# 18299-6/9/2002-21:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: See, we CAN all be civilized and get on quite well around here.
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Post# 18300-6/9/2002-21:28 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Dare we ask what you had hanging out with the washing then...
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Post# 18301-6/9/2002-21:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Kirk, does that result in a lovely bunch of coconuts?
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Post# 18302-6/9/2002-21:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: There's also the fact that I don't look good in them - really. Boxers are a tad more forgiving when it comes to hiding unshapely bits LOL.
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Post# 18303-6/9/2002-21:33 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Are you sure your bits are really that unshapely?
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Post# 18304-6/9/2002-21:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hehehe - and here I was, trying to be subtle (kind of)!
Come to think of it, anything skin-tight is a no-no for me, wherever it's worn. All my clothes have to be loose fitting, otherwise I end up fidgeting all day long and getting worked up about it.
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Post# 18305-6/9/2002-21:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Put it this way, for someone my age, I really should be in much better shape. A trip to the gym is LONG overdue!
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Post# 18306-6/9/2002-21:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Ed!!! whoa buddy. You said what I thought!!!!
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Post# 18307-6/9/2002-21:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: That's why I prefer skin @ home when I can.
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Post# 18308-6/9/2002-21:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, Ed & I would be more than happy to come & give you our opinion of the unshpeliness of the parts or whetehr a trip to the gym is needed. We may even volunteer to help you in the locker room!! LOL
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Post# 18309-6/9/2002-22:07 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Cold showers for you guys, I think! LOL
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Post# 18310-6/9/2002-22:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, ya can't blame a guy fur tryin'
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Post# 18311-6/9/2002-22:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: LOL - very true!
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Post# 18312-6/9/2002-23:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: It's interesting to hear you guys talk about 50C in one case and quick wash for underwear. I'm guessing you're happy with the results you get on those settings.
Maybe I need educating, but given the option I picture myself boil washing these items, as well as linens, sheets, and etc. What say you? :-) I don't buy colored sheets or towels (except for the occasional decorative hand towel) because I don't like not being able to bleach them and wash them in hot water.
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Post# 18313-6/9/2002-23:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Boil washing your black 501s made me giggle and think of the time we were visiting an aunt and she did a load of jeans, including a pair of my brothers and mine (when I was a kid and wore jeans occasionally) anyway, she for some reason used bleach, and we wound up with tie died looking jeans. It wasn't a huge issue, since weird stuff like that was kind of in style then and my brother and I actually continued wearing them that way, but it was funny. Needless to say she was on my father's side, although she most definitely didn't get the laundry handicap gene from my Grandma. It's entirely possible she just had a brain fart too and normally her wash came out fine.
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Post# 18314-6/9/2002-23:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Scott, I still do all sorts of shades of towel colors in hot water. No prob. Oxygen Bleach in Wisk seems to do a good job on pastels & creame colored towels too. BTW, did you get the dishwasher drain working right?
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Post# 18315-6/9/2002-23:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Towels)
MESSAGE: If it pleases you, Pinky then.
Will you be changing your handle as well?
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Post# 18316-6/9/2002-23:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: I like that term "sproglet"! I must remember that one! LOL
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Post# 18317-6/9/2002-23:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: English/American translation: trolly == shopping cart.
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Post# 18318-6/9/2002-23:55 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I suppose commando in leathers would be OK, breeze-wise that is. However I think briefs (or what you call Y-fronts?) give some modicum of protection against things getting caught in a spill. Not a lot, but better than nothing.
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Post# 18319-6/9/2002-00:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I definitely agree with the them of what you're saying and I get very annoyed over misuse of handicap things and just in general all this "me first" stuff that goes on. I wonder though if they give those handicap stickers to some people who have internal things like heart conditions or something and they look fine on the outside but can't exert much or whatever, so I try and give the benefit of the doubt if it's not blatant misuse.
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Post# 18320-6/9/2002-00:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: ...or the trolleys you find all over the store's parking lot except where they're supposed to be!
I was mortified at first when I went to the grocery with Mikey in the UK and all the carts were chained together and you had to pay money to use them. Then we got done and I saw that you chained it back up at the other end and got your money back, and realized what they were doing. You don't put it back in its place, you lose your funds!
As for having to park right next to the building, that gets completely out of hand too. Maybe a mom with kids who doesn't want to have to worry about the kids dodging cars on the way to the building is one thing, but the average person it just shouldn't matter that much, esp. considering you're usually walking a good bit inside the store or mall! As it said in one of those chain emails I got once about things to be thankful for, it pointed out that some folks would be grateful to be able to take that walk, from the car to the building.
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Post# 18321-6/9/2002-00:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Yep, I don't think my mother was really paying attention to what she was doing that day, either! The jeans in question were quite heavily soiled, so she thought it would be a good idea to dial up the temperature "just to be sure". It was only when I asked her afterwards if it would have been a better idea to prewash them, then wash on a normal cycle, did she realise how silly a mistake she had made.
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Post# 18322-6/9/2002-00:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: Also, rugrats and ankle-biters. All expressions which my father has always used, and have hence rubbed off onto me :o)
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Post# 18323-6/9/2002-00:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Out here in some markets, the shopping carts have special front wheels. The market lots have trip wires buried at the perimeter. If the cart goes outside the bounds, the front wheel locks up and the cart becomes pretty much impossible to push. This has cut down tremendously on missing carts. I used to get stray carts left in front of the rental house I lived in five years ago. It would really annoy me after a while, but what can you do?
I don't mind the coin deposit for carts, but it can be an inconvenience, and if someone wants to steal a cart, a quarter isn't a bad price.
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Post# 18324-6/9/2002-00:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, thanks for that info. I love my Wisk Tablets too!
They're coming to check the dishwasher tomorrow. The reason it would not drain was because the contractor forgot to knock out that little piece in the disposal so the water had nowhere to go. The machine works fine but it's leaking under the float. Don't know if it's a seal or what but better be sure all is well.
I was going to give you a jingle tonight but got home much later than planned. Hopefully one of these days we can have a little visit! :-)
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Post# 18325-6/9/2002-00:16 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Yes, but someone with a heart that bad probably shouldn't be driving anyway!
There was an expose here a few years back. How people were scamming handicap placards, the things were being bought and sold like chattel. A TV news team even went out and tried to interview obviously completely healthy people as they parked their cars in the handicap zones and ask them where they got their placards. In some cases, it belonged to another family member, and the driver didn't seem at all ashamed of using it even when the other family member wasn't a passenger.
There is another side to the story, I suppose. I have a friend who started a small auto repair business. He had this parking area in front of his garage, where customer's cars were left. He had to add a handicap zone, even though the lot only had three spaces, total!
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Post# 18326-6/9/2002-00:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Suds,
On the bike, it's boxer shorts as normal for me. However, when I bought the leathers, I made sure they were lined; that way, should I ever take a tumble, the outer layer of leather can't grip onto my skin and cause untold damage. Fingers crossed, I'll never need to find out.
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Post# 18327-6/9/2002-00:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: That's a really good idea. I think our downtown Target store has something like that too. It would be good at some of our inner city retailers as well, whose carts often go missing or show up blocks away in yards as you describe. I don't know if it would work at the suburban location I work at, since you want the customer to be able to operate the cart in the lot to the their goods to the car. In that area, cart theft is not a huge problem (although once on an off day I saw one of our carts at a bus stop six blocks away) the issue we have is people carelessly don't put the carts back in the designated "corrals" and we spend a lot of time collecting them or they could bump cars, or whatever.
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Post# 18328-6/9/2002-00:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Are those trip-wire systems mechanical or electronic? I've only ever seen them once over here, at a Tesco supermarket near Cambridge. On the way into the store, we saw about a dozen trolleys which had locked up and been rescued, and store staff turning them upside-down in order to unlock them.
One thing I see regularly is folks who steal a trolley in order to wheel their groceries home in it. The trolley then gets left on the street, later to be used by drunks to wheel a paralytic friend home in, then dumped in a river somewhere. And the supermarkets then have to put up prices in order to buy replacement trolleys :o(
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Post# 18329-6/9/2002-00:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Well, the cart perimeter is the entire parking lot, so it's no problem for people who park in the lot. If you park on the street, then that's a different story.
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Post# 18330-6/9/2002-00:29 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: The trip wires are electronic. I imagine there is some sort of battery operated electronics in the special wheel, which locks it up when it gets the right signal. The store employees have some sort of hand held device they can unlock it with.
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Post# 18331-6/9/2002-00:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Call me lazy I guess. If I am lucky enough to get a handicapped parking space (difficult when 40% of the population here is retired), I usually leave the cart leaning against the sign pole rather than take it to the corral. If I end up having to park elsewhere, then I take the cart to the corral. Wal-Mart won't take me out to the car, but HEB will take my groceries out to the car.
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Post# 18332-6/9/2002-00:34 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Pretty clever stuff. Still, I think a much better idea would be a stun-gun built into the handle... wheel the trolley past the line, and learn the hard way that stealing is bad LOL.
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Post# 18333-6/9/2002-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I finally got to the point of testing the Kelvinator washer I restored from my first South Dakota farm trip a months ago. What a fun washer this is - nothing beats a splashy top loader with a window-lid! I ran her a couple of times today and snapped some pics of the action.
I still have a couple more adjustments to make, the tub is off center a bit and the belt tension isn't quite right, but other than that, it's running great.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Kelvinator+Kelvinator&.src=ph&.dnm=Almost+done.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Kelvinator%2bKelvinator%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18334-6/9/2002-00:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I would not, in your case Bob, say you are lazy. You're just being practical. Your making a special trip to a distant corral would defeat the purpose of the handicap space making it more convenient for you, and it's not like you leave it just hanging in the lot blocking others' way. Our store offers assistance to getting to your car for anyone who needs or requests it. We have several handicap parking areas, and each one has a corral right next to it, so it's not a big deal at our store.
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Post# 18335-6/9/2002-00:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Well! You and Bob are both still awake! Who knew! LOLOL
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Post# 18336-6/9/2002-00:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: hehehehehehehehe
I wish we could activate that on Saturday. I don't work weekends anymore, but Saturday is bitchy women on a rampage day at our store. I worked a Saturday fillin as a favor to a boss whom I like last winter, and swore never again. Sundays aren't like that, apparently by then they've had a day to recoup?
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Post# 18337-6/9/2002-00:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Wonderful!!! I can't wait to see it.
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Post# 18338-6/9/2002-00:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Now THAT looks like fun. Love the shape of that agitator, and the way it kicks up the suds. Looks pristine, too - well done on the restore job!
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Post# 18339-6/9/2002-00:55 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: I'd have to agree with you about Saturday customers. Same goes for public holidays - it always seems that people are bored, and don't have anything better to do, so they descend on one of the stores and try their hardest to irritate the staff!
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Post# 18340-6/10/2002-02:24 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: And of course, when you get tired of playing with it, you'll send it my way . . . .
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Post# 18341-6/10/2002-02:31 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Very cool, Greg! Thanks for the pictures. But tell us, can you hear the "whooshes"? ;-)
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Post# 18342-6/10/2002-03:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Well, I don't have any problems hanging undies outside, although I seldom hang something on the clotheslines.
Louis
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Post# 18343-6/10/2002-03:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Boxer model briefs.
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Post# 18344-6/10/2002-03:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: How do you say Bauknecht?
MESSAGE: Bow-Knegt, the K is in the second part. The g is a soft one, I don't know a sound in english that comes close.
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Post# 18345-6/10/2002-04:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: That was truly wonderful. Looks like a brand new washing mchine. Cant wait to see a vid of it in action.
Top Job! I really admire the mechanical skills of people like you who can take things and bring them to life again.
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Post# 18346-6/10/2002-04:23 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (coming my way baby)
MESSAGE: No way. Gansky is going to put it in a box and ship it to Sydney Australia for me.
And I am going to pay more money than I would probably pay for a TOL Miele to recieve it!
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Post# 18347-6/10/2002-06:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg - that Kelvinator cleaned up beautifully. It is truly a thrilling machine to watch. BTW, I posted two questions yesterday that seem to have been lost in the usual flood of postings. One was about painting a washer and the next was about how to identify what should be an original part on a washer. Any ideas? Much appreciated. You know between the Kelvinator and the Miss A, you're on the border of washing heaven!!!
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Post# 18348-6/10/2002-06:55 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Or worse yet, people using the cart to take their groceries home. I see this frequently in lower income areas where cars are less common, but also elsewhere. I have a condominium in Hawaii with a supermarket across the road - there are always carts left by the back doors where tourists went shopping and used the cart to take the stuff back. Not only unsightly, but a crime last time I checked. Grand Theft Trolly!
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Post# 18349-6/10/2002-06:59 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Well, having friends and relatives with cancer or AIDS, it does seem that some people who appear able bodied may not really be able to handle much physical activity. On the other hand, I know of at least one AIDS patient that uses his handicap sticker to park in front of the gym.
There is clearly misue, but I don't think we can count on always being able to see the disability in question.
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Post# 18350-6/10/2002-07:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg what a wonderful job you've done with that machine. You'd never know where it came from originally. The cycle was very similar to my '62 Kelvinator except that mine did a spray rinse right during the first increment of the first spin during the water throw.
Does your agitator dash for a bit clockwise when it first starts to spin?
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Post# 18351-6/10/2002-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I love that radio commercial - I thought of that often while working on this washer!
I should take some pics of it washing without clothes, quite a show indeed.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/vintage_audio.htm
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Post# 18352-6/10/2002-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (coming my way baby)
MESSAGE: I just got it running, so it might be a while before I get "tired" of it...unless an older 50's model comes along.
One never knows, appliance dreams do come true!
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Post# 18353-6/10/2002-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I must have missed your questions, I'll go back and have a look.
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Post# 18354-6/10/2002-07:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I was surprised there was no spray rinse after the wash, but this panel & cycle would have been for the older 1960 washer with the strange fill flume arrangement, perhaps that's why. The agitator does dash around for just a minute at the start of spin - kind of neat, more drama!
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Post# 18355-6/10/2002-07:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg - it's much appreciated.
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Post# 18356-6/10/2002-07:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: I must dash off to work now - will try to answer when I get home this afternoon, although I might not be the best one to give answers to painting questions - you'd know why if I'd used the flash for the Kelvinator pics!
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Post# 18357-6/10/2002-08:43 ||| winstonsmith (North Carolina)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Thanks SO MUCH! The right sides of the pages are getting chopped; perhaps I can yet find a way to print it out. Regardless, Thanks again for your help.
Winston
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Post# 18358-6/10/2002-08:48 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Kelvinator)
MESSAGE: Greg - What a beauty - The Kelvinator is my next Favorate to Frigidaire - This should be the way machines wash today.
Best of Luck
Peter
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Post# 18359-6/10/2002-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony,
Appliance painting can be very simple, but one thing to remember is its not a good idea to paint the porcelean tops. The paint doesn't stick to the porcelean very well and it comes off easily unless you prepare the surface by roughing it up first. I just use porcelean chip repair for the tops.
Now for painting the cabinets, its simple, you must take the cabinet out of the machine, sand down any rust spots to the bare metal, prime and paint the cabinet with oil based, rust resistance, hi-gloss spray paint. The Norge came out beautiful this way. There are certain techniques to proper spray-painting and they can be found all over the internet.
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Post# 18360-6/10/2002-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Info! (History of Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Winston, you should be able to use the bottom scroll bars to move over to the area of the page that is chopped off.
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Post# 18361-6/10/2002-09:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Hi, Robert. Thanks for the information on painting. Interesting that painting the cabinet can be so simple. Is there special appliance paint one should use? When you mentioned high gloss spray, I immediately thought of Rust-o-leum! Could it be????
And of course you are right, I would not attempt to paint the porcelain top. That is in very good shape, save for the chip in it. I still do not understand though how the paint on the sides of the Frigidaire cabinet could actually look so worn through......
Thanks for the help!!
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Post# 18362-6/10/2002-09:59 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (D'oh!)
MESSAGE: Hi Sudsmaster.
There is a regular advertiser in the Melbourne Trading Post who sells "Reconditioned Homer Simpson Dryers".
I don't think much of Simpson washers, If they had a donut dispenser that would be all they were good for...
Chris.
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Post# 18363-6/10/2002-10:08 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a good comparison.
I generally like Kleenmaid appliances, but I personally don't like the way they do business - extremely pushy, high pressure. I bought my mother a Kleenmaid refrigerator three years ago, she still gets junk mail from them.
Kleenmaid don't manufacture anything, they just get stuff rebadged. TL washers and other stuff from Speed Queen in USA, fridges from Amana, Front Loaders and small fridges from Gorenje in Slovenia, TL tumble washers from Brandt in France, stoves and cooktops from St George in Aus (?) and a mystery supplier in Italy...
Chris.
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Post# 18364-6/10/2002-10:21 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Don't you know anything Scott?
On Saturdays they were experiencing hormonal imbalances and by Sunday morning they had obviously had their hot beef injections to rectify the problem and put a smile on their faces.
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Post# 18365-6/10/2002-10:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: Yup, I used Rust-o-leum High-Gloss white spray paint, works for me everytime.
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Post# 18366-6/10/2002-11:06 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Ha! You think that riding on a motorcycle leaves you vulnerable.
I was sitting in the back of my friend's car driving out from the Atherton Tablelands (Far North Queensland). I was wearing boxers and normal baggy shorts (air circulation is very important in the tropics) over them. Sitting in the middle of the back seat I was, with the window on my right just open a slit. When suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, I see this tiny spec zip in through the window and right up inside the right leg of my shorts. Just as what happened began to compute, there is this searing hot sensation taking hold of my googlies and I start doing weird convulsive moves in the backseat screaming "stop the car!" at my mate. The door flings open simultaneous to my exit and my shorts and undies come off in a move worthy of Houdini and this tiny little innocuous looking bug falls out on the ground and just lies there with its legs stuck in the air, not moving. In the menatime there I am holding on to my very tender crown jewels whilst my friends are having fits in the car. So I bestowed a fitting end onto the bug. All of this happened in less than 20 seconds. That bug dive was a precision kamekaze attack if ever I've seen one. I reckon some abbo (native person) must have put a voodoo hex on me for refusing him a smoke or something, this little experience was just too uncanny.
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Post# 18367-6/10/2002-11:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Oh Bubs
Your poor Aussie manhood, I trust all recovered OK. Actually your description of the bug sound like it was already dead as it fell out, I will refrain from the obvious cheap wisecracks.
Your story reminded me of a mate of mine some years ago, I will tell if I may. He was bathing with his GF and she espied a wasp in the bathroom and requested that he be a gentleman and deal apprpriately with the offending insect. As he tried to remove/kill it, the wasp decovered that my mate was indeed a gentle man, and stung him on his most gentle and manly and apparently circumcised part.
Richtoo
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Post# 18368-6/10/2002-12:00 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Hi Suds,
A quarter, 15 pence for a shopping trolley/cart. In this operpriced cool Britannia, supermarkets require a £1 coin, about $1.60.
Richtoo
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Post# 18369-6/10/2002-12:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, what a wonderful washer. I love the Kelvinator/ABC wash action. The shape is really wonderful. Thank you for sharing the pictures.
Louis
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Post# 18370-6/10/2002-12:24 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (disabled / handicap parking)
MESSAGE: I can't comment on teh US system, but I can shed some light on how the UK disabled parking system works, or at least used to work.
My grandmother had a very heart condition, once it deteriorated to a certain level, her doctor stopped her driving. She also had a disabled parking sticker, not sure if she got this before or after she was stopped from driving. She kept the sticker in her handbag (purse), so that she could use it in whoever's car she rode in. For instance, when I took her shopping, she would put it in my car, so I could park closer in the disabled bays. Unless we parked close, she would not have been able to shop without a wheelcahir, as she could walk short distances, but not long.
I have also managed disabled parking at work, and the reasons for needing it were many and varied, hidden health conditions, heart, respiration etc, short term accidents and recovery from surgery, later stages of pregnancy - difficult to manage long walks and stairs in other car parks. With the heart condition, one may have a condition that has been surgically repaired, so there is no immediate risk to cause a driving ban, but the person needs disabled parking whilst re-building strength.
Richtoo
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Post# 18371-6/10/2002-12:37 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Suds,
Briefs and Y-fronts aren't the same thing; Ok they are similar, tight short undies. There is one very important differnce, Y-front have a fall-out hole in the front, certainly on teh onse my mother bought when I was a kid, the design was appaling and uncomfortable and frequently embarrassing, as things would not stay put. Briefs keep one in place as the only have leg and waist holes and no front exit.
In answer to the original question, briefs. I have tried boxers, but found them non supportive on walking and strangulating on sitting. At night, I like trunks, longer like boxers, but knitted and tighter so they support. I know having them close to ones body can make one sterile, but that's not an issue for me, I can choose comfort.
Richtoo
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Post# 18372-6/10/2002-12:40 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Siblings)
MESSAGE: A friend taught me 'screaming little $h!t machines', awful isn't it. I loke sprog, sproglet, rug-rat (I use this for my cats) and ankle-biter (reminds me of an amusing/insulting term for gay men)
Richtoo
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Post# 18373-6/10/2002-12:43 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
As a teenager, I used to deliberately bleach my jeans, it was cheaper than buying the ready bleached ones. I would hang teh dry jeans on teh line and pour neat chloring bleach down to get a streaked effect, then rinse and wash them. Teenagers can be pretty daft!
Richtoo
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Post# 18374-6/10/2002-14:24 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg, that's excellent! You worked quite fast on that. What parts did you use from the donor machine? Is there a way to get a spray rinse with this machine? I remember years ago notching out a groove in the timer's cam of my old Speed Queen giving it a one minute spray rinse after the main wash.
Thanks for the beautiful action shots.
Eddy
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Post# 18375-6/10/2002-15:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Do you use a compressor and paint gun or cans? I will have to use a compressor for my next painting project (Philco Miss A) as I just can't seem to get a nice finish using spray cans.
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Post# 18376-6/10/2002-15:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: I used a compressor for the '58 GE but found there wasn't much difference in the final output so I went back to spray cans on the '47 Bendix and Norge.
Good spray painting takes a bit of practice, you have to use steady, even strokes, sweeping across in a straight horizontal line.
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Post# 18377-6/10/2002-16:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (HE3T Does Spray Rinse. )
MESSAGE: That exactly the approach which I find makes people run away and shop elsewhere! I get annoyed myself when salespeople put the pressure on me, and followup junk mail would *really* wind me up.
Sounds rather like Kirby to me - I think they make a great vacuum, but their business practises just stink, IMHO.
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Post# 18378-6/10/2002-16:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hehehe - sorry, but I just couldn't stop myself giggling when I read that!
If it's any consolation, I've had something similar happen to me. Only difference was, what zipped into my window and down the back of my shirt was a red-hot cigarette butt from the car in front. Once I found out it wasn't a wasp, I was furious at the stupidy of whoever had thrown it.
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Post# 18379-6/10/2002-16:25 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: LOL - no wonder I absolutely detest wasps!
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Post# 18380-6/10/2002-16:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: You know what... I just thought to myself, it's great how we're all getting to know each other SO well here!
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Post# 18381-6/10/2002-16:36 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: I've got a pair of "bleachers" in my wardrobe right now. Mine were done in the bathtub, and I must say they look pretty cool. They do tend to scare old ladies, though, especially when worn with Doc Martens.
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Post# 18382-6/10/2002-18:08 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Miele,
Didn't you mean 'waste holes' (lol)?
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Post# 18383-6/10/2002-18:25 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: On the subject of bites and stings in tender places, I knew this elderly widow who apparently lost her husband as a result of a spider bite to the groin. He was apparently mowing the lawn in shorts (this was up in the tropics too) and the eight legged creature had crawled up inside his shorts.
Now, this story was retold by one of the widow's female friends with whom I was having a disussion about marital fidelty at the time. The point being that this deceased gentleman was apparently less than a complimentary husband and wild fornicator of some sorts. The sting of a poisoned bug provided a poetic end to his wayward ways - who says there is no justice.
I suppose it isn't a laughing matter, but life does throw up some morbidly funny situations at times.
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Post# 18384-6/10/2002-18:32 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Hoorray to the master!!!)
MESSAGE: I take my hat off to you gansky, you are a true master of you craft and that is one very nice washer.
BTW isn't that Jill Corey song corny (but cute)?
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Post# 18385-6/10/2002-18:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Our conversations certainly get intimate from time to time, but have you ever eavesdropped womens conversations? Enough to make your hair curl!
Richtoo
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Post# 18386-6/10/2002-18:40 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah kirk,
Glowing cigarette butts thrown carelessly out of car windows are one of my big pet hates. Numerous bush fires start that way every summer over here. Pity you couldn't give that freak a feel of your powerful fist.
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Post# 18387-6/10/2002-18:41 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Did you see teh Kirby salespeople on the Ruby Wax show some years ago. (Ruby Wax is a UK based American comedienne. They were singing the Kirby Anthem - 'Glory, Glory its a Kirby' to the tune of 'John Browns Body'. Every sale announced was greeted with hysterical cheering, and every mention of the Vax (shows how long ago this was, would be the Dyson now) was greeted with spitting, yes, gobbing on the floor - I supposed they cleaned teh mess up with their Kirbies.
My mother had a Kirby demonstration, he cleaned half of her hall carpet and planned to leave teh other half dirty. Mum is a rather formidable woman, before he left, he cleaned the rest of the carpet, and that was after he had told her the price and she had left him in no doubt that she would not pay that much for a cleaner.
Richtoo
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Post# 18388-6/10/2002-18:41 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers
MESSAGE: Good grief, I don't read for about a day and a half and there's suddenly 300 posts I've not seen - yikes (and apologies if I miss things addressed to me)...
I have a rotary airer, and prefer them to lines. I guess part of it is what you're used to, my parents had both (one at each end of the garden) and I prefer rotary simply because you can get more on it and it takes up less space.
There's two types of rotary, right? The standard rotary airer (also known as a 'whirly' I believe though that may be a Scots thing) which has the arms pointing upwards, and a hoist (Hills hoist?) which has the arms over the top of the airer.
That was a bad description I think :(
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Post# 18389-6/10/2002-18:43 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hi my little Miele,
I love Ruby Wax - she is a goddess and very funny.
Kirk lives in the UK mein Herr and I am sure he would have stumbled upon Ruby at some point in his life.
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Post# 18390-6/10/2002-18:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
That is very true. I'm not going to repeat what a female co-worker told me recently, or I'll be banned from here. Let's just say it was of a "medical" nature, and WAY more than I wanted to know.
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Post# 18391-6/10/2002-18:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
I agree that a boil wash would be ideal for underwear, indeed I used to boil all my whites, undies, sheets, towels, t-shirts, but the boil wash is very wearing on fabric, especially elastic waste-bands (NB Bubs). My white boil washed towels did not last as long as some coloured ones that I bought at the same time and washed at 60C, ditto white versus coloured undies, tshirts and sheets. I decided to try 60C for whites and found it fine, particularly with a soak or extra oxygen bleach.
The labels on white sheets and towels always say 60C, but a boil in OK if one is prepared to sacrifice some longevity.
I use 50C for coloured undies, as I find most dark colours stay fast at this temp, but I like to get them as hot as possible for hygiene - I read the Ariel (UK Tide) hygiene web site which informed one how all sorts of fearful lurgies were found in undies, scary stuff - who offers them up for testing?
With the twin tub, I used a boil wash for all whites. It only had a 15 minute timer, I would reset it for another 15. The whites would be soaking in the tap-hot water and soap whilst the heater bought it up to the boil. A TT boil wash boil wash is great fun, though rather dangerous, delving around in teh tub with a stcik trying to find all the socks and transfering boiling linen into the spinner.
Richtoo
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Post# 18392-6/10/2002-18:56 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: I shall also try the multi-response-in-one type post... lets see :)
MoD housing - i've never lived in it but have heard many horror stories of how clean things have to be. The sister-in-law's hubby is in the RAF and apparently when they moved out of their married quarters into their own house they had to clean/bleach/scrub everything til it shone. The inspectors came round with white gloves and did things like pulling out the kitchen drawers to check the runners were clean and stuff. The house they bought is ex-USAF, and I think a lot of them in the area were living in the same sets of married quarters before. Apparently it can be quite a nice community. I've also heard stories of the 'forces brats' who have been raised all over the world (one of my friends at school called himself that).
I don't think I was ever 'forced' into doing my own laundry. I seem to remember arguing with my parents because I wanted to do it. Typically I'd end up doing everyone's washing, but not all the ironing lol ;-)
Having said that, when I did move out of home and into the halls of residence at uni, I wasn't fond of the washers/dryers there. I still seemed to spend more time looking after my clothes than a lot of my male friends, but I hated the fact that I couldn't fit as much in the TL machine that I could in an FL, and that it cost so much, and didn't rinse out the soap and... [end grumble, this isn't a story about me at uni :-) ]
Getting back to the point, I think I was actually the one who spoilt clothes occasionally. I distinctly remember shrinking one of my mums synthetic petticoats by touching it with the hot iron - oops. Or dyeing things accidentally. It wasn't however my fault that we ended up with a batch of pink hankies and tea towels - that was my dad sticking a new red towel in a boil wash.
Hmm, that turned out a bit more rambling than I'd intended... sorry.
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Post# 18393-6/10/2002-18:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Not only did it ruin my shirt, it also hurt like hell. Didn't think about the bushfire consequences, though. Hopefully these folks will get caught red-handed by a cop someday, and sent down for it LOL.
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Post# 18394-6/10/2002-19:01 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Kirk, do you have a bike, or ride a friends? I like motorbikes, but have never managed to get a proper ride on one :(
oh, and regarding the poll, I wear boxer-briefs or trunks or whatever they're called. The ones that are like fitted boxers.
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Post# 18395-6/10/2002-19:02 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Bubs,
I know that Kirk and I share this funny little islet in teh middle of the Atlantic/Pacific/North sea - wherever it is, my geography is not my strong point - I described Ruby for teh benefit of may not have been so well blessed as to receive her shows.
Anyway, did you see Tammy Fay Baker on her show, cleaning teh bathtub and singing - what a send up.
Richtoo
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Post# 18396-6/10/2002-19:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: interesting Rich thanks! I guess you deal with some wear whether you use the boil wash or chlorine bleach method, as it sounds. The twinny boil wash sounds particularly fun-filled! :)
My hot water heater puts out water at roughly 60C and I do get good results with my Wisk Tablets and an occasional bleaching.
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Post# 18397-6/10/2002-19:05 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: the bf and I had an incident of road rage in the Homebase car park just over a year ago. The car's CV joint had just gone crunch as the bf turned out of the parking space and some arse in a BMW 850 was driving round hooting and shouting at anyone in his way. Now, when the car's just made expensive noises at you, you're not in the mood for rudeness, so this guy got fingers stuck up at him and let's just say the air was a tad blue. He jumped out his car came stomping over, yelled through the window and flicked a lit cigarette at me, catching me on the face.
He went and got back in his car, I picked up my mobile and phoned the police with his registration number.
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Post# 18398-6/10/2002-19:06 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
No, I didn't see that, although it does sound rather entertaining. I have no trouble believing it, as the whole thing seems more like a cult than a sales operation at times. The product is good, excellent even, but would be even better if they just dropped all the crap.
There was also a documentary on C4 a few years ago, about the Vorwerk salesforce. Overall, it seemed more ethical and upfront. Unlike Kirby, I find them very good to deal with, and not in the least bit shady.
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Post# 18399-6/10/2002-19:08 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: YAY!!! Finally someone who agrees with me :-)
I started to get worried when I was reading THS a while back and everyone seemed to be raving about how 'cool' the Dyson's looked. I look at them thinking "that would look totally f***ing stupid sitting in my kitchen" ;-)
(admittedly the all white one does look a lot better, but still too 'out there' for me)
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Post# 18400-6/10/2002-19:09 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
Glad I wasn't the only one to have a pproblem with university TLs, not slagging off TLs in general, but UK Uni TLs must be of a particularly poor design. I also found that I could only put a few things in, certainly no more that half way up the tub, and that soap did not desolve or rinse, clumps of powder sticking to ones clothing is most unattractive.
MOD housing, well you and Kirk paint a rosier picture than my BF. He is child of a naval person and grew up near a Naval estate, his mum refused to live on it as it allegedly had a 'reputation'. Actually, I too am a son of a sailor, though not the Queen's Navy, rather the queen's Navy - I had a shock after telling my parents I was gay, and I got informed that as my Dad had been in the Navy, he probably knew more about it hat I ever would - what was I supposed to make of that.
Richtoo
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Post# 18401-6/10/2002-19:12 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: I hate pushy salespeople.
On the kirby topic, my gran/granddad had a demonstration some years back. Most of their floors were lino or tile, with some rugs, apart from the dining room which was carpeted with rope carpet (which has lasted about 35 years). My gran told the demonstrator that she would in no way pay that much money for a hoover, and told them to convince her why she should. She had the last laugh when it couldn't clean the carpet any better than her existing old Electrolux and sent the guy packing looking rather embarrassed.
I found it highly funny.
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Post# 18402-6/10/2002-19:16 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: The ones we had at uni were Maytag commercial machines, with a black cylindrical hollow agitator. Had the clumping powder problem many a time. I got told once to let the machine fill half full then put the powder and laundry in, but when I tried it the interlock wouldn't open again so I dragged the admin person down there to point it out and get my money back!
I think naval estates, for whatever reason, have a slightly 'rougher' reputation than Army or RAF. I don't know much about it at all, only what I've heard from friends or the bf's family.
When I came out to my parents (or should I say when I first spoke to them after they found out) I got told by my dad something about being in the army, and 'experimenting'. I didn't ask, I just didn't want to know.
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Post# 18403-6/10/2002-19:18 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
Chat room
MESSAGE: Was just wondering if the chat gets much use these days?
Dave
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Post# 18404-6/10/2002-19:24 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Huh, that statement goes for me too. I seriously need to start doing something about the shape I'm in. My mum has offered to buy me an exercise bike if I want... I think she's dropping hints, might take her up on the offer though.
And yes, unshapely bits is another reason I prefer boxers to briefs, and don't even get me started on the fashion women have for thongs. *shudder*
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Post# 18405-6/10/2002-19:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hoover Aus)
MESSAGE: There was a time when I used to boil wash all my towels, until I worked out that was why they didn't last very long. Since I switched to using 60*C, they stay just as white, but don't wear out as quickly.
I prefer to think of the boil wash programme as a rescue measure for dulled whites, rather than something which should be used for every wash. Using it all the time can often be overkill.
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Post# 18406-6/10/2002-19:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember the inspections, which were known as "march-outs". Anything which was damaged or unclean resulted in a charge, taken directly from the wages. They even used to charge 50p for every hole in the wall which resulted from hanging pictures... we got round that by filling the holes with toothpaste! I'll never forget all the cleaning that used to go on once we'd finished packing our belongings into cardboard boxes.
Still, the good thing about this is that, when MoD properties are sold off, the buyer gets a house which has been really well maintained. I'd definitely buy one, although many of them tend to be out in the sticks.
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Post# 18407-6/10/2002-19:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: How to Paint an Appliance
MESSAGE: How very convenient!! It just so happens that I have a few cans of that left over from last month's painting escapades with the patio furniture!!!
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Post# 18408-6/10/2002-19:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Dave,
Not yet, unfortunately, although I hope to remedy that within the next year. Sometime soon, I intend to do my CBT and direct access course, then I can get my hands on the bike I've been drooling over for the past year or so!
Until then, I have to settle for riding pillion on my pal's R6. He's also been kind enough to let me take it for a spin on the odd occasion (off-road, of course), which I thoroughly enjoyed. Once you get over the initial fear, it's very addictive :o)
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Post# 18409-6/10/2002-19:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Awww, you should have used the baseball bat you keep stashed in the boot! LOL
Only kidding, of course :o)
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Post# 18410-6/10/2002-19:56 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: LOL :-)
If you knew me, you'd know why that was so funny...
It was a really fun afternoon, not.
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Post# 18411-6/10/2002-20:14 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: My brother had the same experience while he was at university. The campus was equipped with the ubiquitious Maytag TLs, which I think are pretty poor when you try to wash a full load in them.
Speed Queen TLs would have been a much better alternative, IMHO. I used them on holiday, stuffing the tub all the way up to the top ring, and they worked perfectly. Probably due to the bigger agitator fins, and the long oscillation stroke. You can hear plenty of splashing going on during agitation, whereas Maytags just sound like someone wiggling their finger in a glass of water.
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Post# 18412-6/10/2002-20:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: True, there are some Naval estates with a reputation. We were always lucky to get a good one, mind you, but my mother always panicked about where we would end up whenever the time came to move on again.
My father always vehemently denies that any "experimentation" goes on in the services, which I think is more a case of not wanting to admit it might sometimes go on. He's not the most tolerant of people (in fact, not tolerant at all!), so I don't think I shall risk dropping any bombshells on him in the near future.
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Post# 18413-6/10/2002-20:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Thongs are lethal. All you have to do is sneeze, and they'll cut you into three pieces.
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Post# 18414-6/10/2002-20:26 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Something about your post tells me it's probably not a good idea to steal your parking space just as you're about to drive into it LOL.
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Post# 18415-6/10/2002-20:58 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: Well, just as a point of interest, because soaps were less sophisticated in the past, boiling whites ensured clean and, yes this is true, long-lasting clothes. My nan told me that during summer all freshly boiled, starched and dried bed sheets (which were white in those days) were laid out on the lawn during a bright sunny day and in winter the same was done on the snow. Hence utilizing the whitening powers of the sun.
People of days gone by didn't have the luxury of massproduced, affordable manchester (towels, sheets etc.), undergarments and clothing in general. Mind you, they also used to mend things. Most people don't know how to use needle and thread now, let alone be prepared to invest time in repairing clothes.
Manchester and clothes of yesteryear were of better quality. Hem lines were either properly sewn up by hand or the machines did a better job than they do today, none of this inbuilt obsolescence. Today's machined work falls to bits as soon as one looks at it. Linen used to be thicker and actually lasted a life-time. Most stuff now comes from China and is rubbish. The old American and European cloth mills (which have all but disappeared) made a fine product that no amount of economic rationalism can ever replace.
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Post# 18416-6/10/2002-21:05 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well kirk,
With the last lot of bush fires we had earlier this year, they've actually nabbed a bloke who is a firy with the voluntary brigades. I suppose if you are a pyromaniac, joining the fire fighting service is akin to an alcoholic working in a pub.
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Post# 18417-6/10/2002-21:13 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: They probably weren't of poorer design, but the operators probably decided to reduce the machine fill to save water. Did these machines have a ring around the agitator indicating the fill level? I have noticed this here as well in some laundromats (not everybody does this). The undissolved detergent probably occurred because the machines only did cold fills? Laundromats often don't provide hot water, but also supply detergents that are unsuitable for cold water washing and do not dissovle properly unless used in warm or hot water.
You would have been better off using a liquid detergent.
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Post# 18418-6/10/2002-21:21 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Pushy sales)
MESSAGE: Hullo mein Herr,
Your Island is gorgeous - but the weather needs improving. A bit more CO2 in the atmosphere might just do that.
How can anyone miss Ruby? She is larger than life and, no, I haven't seen that particulay episode. The last one was with her doing Joanna Lumley and Jennifer Saunders (god love 'em).
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Post# 18419-6/10/2002-21:25 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: Yes Dave it does. Since most of the participants are in the States, you are probably at odds with the time. Right now it is about 12:21 pm here and 2:21 am in the UK. In about three or so hours the chat room should come alive (say 5 or 6 am your time). If you get up early enough you might catch someone.
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Post# 18420-6/10/2002-21:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: No way?! Talk about making work for yourself...
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Post# 18421-6/10/2002-21:34 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Life is like that for some people, Kirk.
I suppose people see what they choose to. Then again, half the time, they may not actually understand what they are looking at, even if it is right in front of them.
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Post# 18422-6/10/2002-21:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Last time I used a Maytag commercial TL, the instructions under the lid said to load the tub up to the top row of holes. That's just a couple of inches from the top rim, so I'd call that a full load, more or less.
Launderettes here provide both hot and cold water, although there's no guarantee as to what the hot water temperature will be. Maybe they get low on hot water sometimes, while waiting for the boiler to come up to temp again. Then there's the fact that some launderette owners are bound to turn the thermostat down a bit, in order to cut their costs.
So far, I've been lucky on the occasions I've used TL in a launderette or while on holiday. Never had a problem with detergent streaks, and everything's come out fine.
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Post# 18423-6/10/2002-21:53 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Indeed, Bubs. Prejudice usually stems from ignorance, and that's not something which one can "put right" easily. Such opinions tend to be ingrained from an early age, and will likely stay that way forever, no matter what.
So far, I've found that the best policy is to bite one's lip, say nothing and just let it go. As much as I'd like to give folks a piece of my mind about these things at times, it's nearly always a waste of time and effort. Just the way it is, unfortunately.
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Post# 18424-6/10/2002-22:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Say a little prayer for the boot!)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy -
The donor machine graciously donated it's mechanism, control panel and the NLA agitator boot (which was remarkably in one piece from the farm) and it's front panels. I used the cabinet, top, wash/spin tub and agitator shaft. The 1966 machine I thought was the better of the two turned out to need a complete new spin assembly so I was very glad I had that second machine. Even still, the agitator boot is very dry and probably won't last forever. I already had a spin shaft seal and outer tub boot and bought a used motor and clutch for it. It got a brand new water valve and a paint job. I need to make room in the laundry room now so it can be moved inside.
I was really hoping for a spray rinse after the wash (every washer should!) but the 1960 must not have had it. If you look at the pictures of the orginal tub and fill flume in the 1960. It was the dark porcelain tub with the flume extended only to the inside of the top rim of the tub and no overflow holes around the outside. I'm sure they figured with this arrangement, the spray rinse would have done little more than splash away from the tub and never reach the clothes.
Here's a "before" picture, just for fun!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/2002+Aberdeen+Appliance+Burial+Ground&.src=ph&.dnm=Dsc00093.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/2002%2bAberdeen%2bAppliance%2bBurial%2bGround%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18425-6/10/2002-22:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: That of course makes perfect sense! There are so many details and variables that go into getting good wash results, sometimes one forgets one in favor of others.
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Post# 18426-6/10/2002-22:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Greg, a beautiful job DONE!!!! I loved the pics of the control panel & the PANEL LIGHT. But, please tell me, what are the water temps. I couldn't read the knob. See Kelvinator maokes me kinda whimsical, I think I'm gonna have to dig out Robert's ABC-O-Matic wash load video and watch it. Sorry the lint filte design was so poor.
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Post# 18427-6/10/2002-23:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: OKay Glenn, I may give you this one, but the next Kelvinator is MINE when greg gets tired of it, unless he finds and tires of a RapidDry, then I take that one instead.
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Post# 18428-6/10/2002-23:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Ed, when I used to be able to work out, I used the one handicapped space there. The parking lot was small so I figured I saved one spot for a "normal" patrol who was playing tennis or racquetball--something I just can't do. I was doing good to get on the treadmill, however, after-workout endeavors were far more exillierating and eye pleasing anyway!!!!
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Post# 18429-6/10/2002-23:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (coming my way baby)
MESSAGE: Who knoows, Glenn & I may have to do a Lucy & Ethyl and share this washer once it arrives in Texas.
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Post# 18430-6/10/2002-23:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Thanks Bob - I would still like to paint the temperature guide panel under the lighted KELVINATOR panel, but I don't do this kind of painting well at all. The temp dial has numbers 1,2 & 3 on it. Those numbers are referenced on the left side as: 1, hot wash, warm rinse; 2, warm wash, warm rinse; and 3, warm wash cold rinse (designated Wash-n-wear setting)
I wasn't too surprised with the lint filter, most lint filters are mostly propaganda anyway, plus, this one cuts down on the splashing. Remember the Speed Queen washer at Robert's? The filter cleaned itself during the overflow periods - what a hoot!
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Post# 18431-6/10/2002-23:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Like I said yesterday, see we can be civilized and not fight.
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Post# 18432-6/10/2002-23:33 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Boot-making?)
MESSAGE: Wasn't somebody around here supposed to be taking a class on making/molding rubber/latex? Perhaps a new boot could be made, with the old one as a model before it disintegrates?
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Post# 18433-6/10/2002-23:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Sharing a Kelvy)
MESSAGE: But your garage is bigger, so you would get it by default.
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Post# 18434-6/10/2002-23:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: I never got to see the SQ in action while at Roberts. That was primarily used on Friday night while I was still ohn my 14 hour journey.
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Post# 18435-6/10/2002-23:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Sharing a Kelvy)
MESSAGE: That may be true, but wioudlnt' want to hog it all the time. On the other side of the coin, with the machine here, that would give even more excuse for you, RJ, & Ed to have to come visit me!!!! YAY!!!!!!
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Post# 18436-6/10/2002-00:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: That bug had some balls to do something like that.
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Post# 18437-6/10/2002-00:13 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Clothes tree???)
MESSAGE: Yep, but still, $2 is cheap for a shopping cart.
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Post# 18438-6/10/2002-00:15 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: It gets pretty busy late nights (US - early morning UK).
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Post# 18439-6/10/2002-00:15 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hmm. Well our american briefs have a couple of panels in the front, with a labrynth of sorts where one can gain access as needed (ahem). In other words, it's not a solid front. That's the typical brief here, I believe.
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Post# 18440-6/10/2002-00:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I was at the local McDonalds on Sunday (long day, I needed a break) and after going through the drive-through, I parked on the lot and consumed my not so happy meal. Anyway, a family parked beside me, and to my astonishment, one of the kids in the back seat tossed a soft drink lid out the window. Even though there was a trash can right in front of their car, in plain view. So I rolled down my window and said, just loud enough for the kid to hear, "slobs!". Then after I'd finished my meal, I got out and slowly and pointed picked up the lid, waved it around at them, tossed my meal remais in the can, and then pointedly tossed their lid in the can. The kid laughed.
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Post# 18441-6/10/2002-00:22 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Well, when I came out to my mother she said "it runs on your father's side of the family." Indeed, it does seem common - though never spoken of. My father was very untolerant as well, but at his funeral I met his military buddies... I would have to say that a bit of experimentation wouldn't surprise me.
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Post# 18442-6/10/2002-00:26 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: When in the UK I pop into the chat room while getting ready for work in the morning. No better way to get the day started than a nice appliance chat. Ok, maybe ONE better way - but you take what you can get.
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Post# 18443-6/10/2002-00:37 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: the solid ones here are usually called bikini briefs. The strange hybrid ones (trunks in UK) are usually called boxer briefs here. I favor these. Oh, and in US they usually have the labrynth opening rather than button front. Occasionally you see the opening in a horizontal fold (garage door style) instead of the more tradional vertical (barn door). The garage door one do have a tendency allow escapes.
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Post# 18444-6/10/2002-00:40 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, the kid learned a lesson that he'll take through life. "I'm special and others will pick up after me"
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Post# 18445-6/10/2002-01:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I expect that lesson will come in handy in prison.
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Post# 18446-6/11/2002-06:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well that is unfortunately the way of the world these days. Children are not taught the basic most elemental courtesies by their parents. Everything is "too bad for you" and "all for me". It never fails to upset me to see how much people have become like animals. Actually, I insult animals by that comment - - animals are much tidier!!!!!!!
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Post# 18447-6/11/2002-09:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Its Time to Make Some Space
MESSAGE: So who wants...
My 1959 Sunny Yellow Maytag washer that has been converted into a large capacity 1970's Maytag on the inside. Works when its not cold so it needs some tranny work.
and
My 1957 GE Dryer, just needs a new or rebuilt timer.
No takers means the krusher.
???
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Post# 18448-6/11/2002-09:47 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Say a little prayer for the boot!)
MESSAGE: Great pics of the Kelvinator up and running Greg. It is
amazing what you did to bring it back to life. You would never know that it came out of a junk yard. Good luck with it.
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Post# 18449-6/11/2002-09:51 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I remember when my mothers 65' Custom Imperial died and we had to go to the local laundromat. They had these machines in there along with Westy top loaders with the black spiral agitator. What vintage would the front loader be? We were
using the laundromat around the mid 70's
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Post# 18450-6/11/2002-09:59 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space
MESSAGE: How much do you want for it Robert?
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Post# 18451-6/11/2002-10:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space
MESSAGE: $00000.00, just a loving home.
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Post# 18452-6/11/2002-12:24 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (Can parts be found for it?)
MESSAGE: I could take it, Uni. However, I would need to have it delivered to Lakeville. Is there much rust on it? Could it be cleaned fairly easily? Could I put a set of castors on it and set it up so it hooks up to a sink? Let me know.
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Post# 18453-6/11/2002-12:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (Can parts be found for it?)
MESSAGE: I'm assuming your talking about the washer and not the dryer?
I would need to have it delivered to Lakeville?
You'll need to come into the city and pick it up.
Is there much rust on it?
I don't think so.
Could it be cleaned fairly easily
It's not dirty.
Could I put a set of castors
I have no idea, of course if there is a will, there is a way.
Can I hook it up to a sink
I suppose if you buy a dishwasher uni-coupler assembly, they are not cheap.
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Post# 18454-6/11/2002-12:37 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I wear those normal loose cotton boxers - I have 6 pairs of each navy and green from BHS.
Jon
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Post# 18455-6/11/2002-12:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
I take it you mean your father does not know that you are 'family'. I'll bet your mother knows though, mothers always know everything, whether you tell them or not, at least mine does.
Richtoo
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Post# 18456-6/11/2002-12:46 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: Hey all
MESSAGE: Hey, I'm gone for like 1 1/2 days and there's like 300 posts to respond too!
I'll respond as I work through reading the messages, and my apologies if posts from the previous pages are posted slightly late.
Jon
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Post# 18457-6/11/2002-12:46 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
I love it when reading a post recalls wonderful old phrases, in this case 'blue and green should never be seen' as said to me the day I wore a green shirt with blue jeans.
Richtoo
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Post# 18458-6/11/2002-12:47 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I prefer boxers because I have fairly large 'bits', and wearing normal undies gives a bit of a bulge!
Jon
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Post# 18459-6/11/2002-12:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Hi Scott)
MESSAGE: Bibs, oh so true.
I few weeks ago I coomented to a colleague at work that I had just found a very small hole in my pullover and that I would have to darn it. The colleague, a woman of a certain age, looked at me aghast and asked what was wrong with buying a new one. I don't mend cheap socks and t-shirts, but will darn wool hiking socks, wool pullovers and have been known to darn small holes in expensive tshirts. I have also recently sewn up a hole in a sheet I use as an undersheet, though I have never 'sides to middled' as I have had fitted sheets. I also cut and hem worn old towels and sheets to use as dusters, and rip up old clothes to use as painting rags.
I hate excess waste and the thought of throwing good stuff into holes in the earth, so try to re-use and re-cycle where possible.
You are so right about modern sewing machining, it is so poor. I particularly hate that nylon filament thread that is sometimes used.
Richtoo
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Post# 18460-6/11/2002-12:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Jon,
Thanks for the giggle. An well blessed ex of mine used to wear briefs one size too large, as it exentuated (sp) his fuller figure even more.
Richtoo
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Post# 18461-6/11/2002-13:02 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
I am no good at biting my lip. I have to speak up and have my say, though it has often got me in trouble.
Richtoo
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Post# 18462-6/11/2002-13:11 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I've always had good results with a quick wash when washing underwear. However, I always wash my white sports socks at 60*C cottons with Ace bleach and Ariel - when washed on a quick wash the sports socks become grey and some of the dirt is still embedded in the sock on the sole.
My boxers can only be washed on a maximum \40/ cycle, but they seem to be ok on the quick wash cycle. Even though the short spin at the end is 900rpm, enough water is extracted for them to require only 30 mins in the tumble dryer - altogether it takes 1 hour to wash and dry my underwear (the quick wash cycle taking 30 mins).
Hey Kirk, one thing I do like about Hotpoint is the quick cycles - however this may be because of the crap wash performance lol! Seriously though, the 40*C cottons cycle only takes around 60 minutes which, compared to a lot of brands, is one of the fastest on the market. The 60*C cycle only takes 90 minutes, and the 90* about 120.
Jon
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Post# 18463-6/11/2002-13:14 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: That should be "95* 120 mins"
Jon
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Post# 18464-6/11/2002-13:18 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: I don't mind their standard yellow and silver vacuum cleaners, but I hate the bright lime green and purple versions, as well as that 'De Stijl' (?) purple, red and yellow version.
And as for the washers, I'd bedder nawt tsay whats on me mind!
Jon
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Post# 18465-6/11/2002-13:21 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: And they call the Maytag Neptune the first launderette washer the size of a top? And the Maytag has a 'unique' tilted drum so the launderette customers don't have to bend down all that far! Maybe this is the first version of the Maytag Commercial Neptune?
Jon
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Post# 18466-6/11/2002-13:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Just found this arial view of the Aberdeen farm.
-ph
LINK: http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.asp?S=11&T=1&X=1344&Y=12626&Z=14&W=0
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Post# 18467-6/11/2002-13:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Hey, great machine! Ever since the ABC videos I've seen on this website, I've always been fascinated with the ABC and Kelvinator washing actions. Hey, if the ABC-Kelvi and Unimatic Rapidry machines were on sale today, I'd order 2 from USA and run them here, I think these TL's are the only ones I really think could clean the best.
Jon
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Post# 18468-6/11/2002-13:43 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: I assume the Maytag's you've used were the ones at the Maytag Launderette up top of Lincoln?
I've only used TL Speed Queens in the Portland Street Launderette (or the Clothes Care Centre, as they like to call it), and they sounded quite pleasing, but I wasn't happy with the results it gave. I must admit the spin cycle was loud, commercial front loaders (particurlarly the Ipso) seem to have a silent spin cycle, apart from the loud OOOOOOHHH noises at the start of the spin, and the squealing noise as the drum brakes down. That's one thing I like about commercial front loaders. One coin-op front loader I'd love to try, however, is a Milnor which are very common in the USA, apparently. I also like the look of Girbau normal spin washers >>http://www.cont-girbau.com<<
Jon
LINK: http://www.milnor.com
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Post# 18469-6/11/2002-13:44 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: How can you get an 'integrated' link in a document? Obviously it didn't work for me.
Jon
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Post# 18470-6/11/2002-13:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Peter this is one of the neatest things I've seen in a long time. It's hard to tell the enormity of the place by this arial shot, but you can definately make out the entire area. It appears that this picture was taken after the big cleanout.
Its shaped like an just like the letter L. You can see how in the North end (which had the oldest stuff was wide and thin and the rows of appliances that are left in the sound end.
Very cool!
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Post# 18471-6/11/2002-14:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Actually studying the landscape a bit futher, I think this is pre-cleanout. Even cooler!
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Post# 18472-6/11/2002-15:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: The site says the pic was taken Sept 97. I thought the cleanout happened before this, but judging by all the white in the pic, I think this was pre-Krusher.
I have my pictures loaded onto my laptop, and once I get them uploaded to Yahoo, everyone will be able to see how it looked at ground level. I took several "panoramic" shots that may help show how big the place is.
Now that we know what a "field of broken dreams" looks like, we can use this website to look for others.
-ph
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Post# 18473-6/11/2002-16:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: No actually from what Lillian said the cleanout happened in 2000.
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Post# 18474-6/11/2002-17:02 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Evenin' Rich,
You're probably right on that one, come to think of it. Mothers have an irritating knack of being able to read minds and suss things out, and it's virtually impossible to fool them. Must be something to do with the chip they have implanted in their heads during childbirth LOL
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Post# 18475-6/11/2002-17:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Ooer, missus!
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Post# 18476-6/11/2002-17:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Oh, I don't mind my mouth getting me into trouble. By nature, I tend to be rather abrasive, and don't really care if my opinion rocks the boat somewhat. The reason I tend to keep quiet is because I really don't have the will to get into debates with smallminded folk who will never change anyway. It ends up annoying me more than it does them!
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Post# 18477-6/11/2002-17:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm
MESSAGE: Too cool! Weren't we talkiing about this type of searching on our drive to the farm?
Have you found anymore? I'm sure it will be a daunting task to search the entire country, section by section but thanks for the work! ;-)
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Post# 18478-6/11/2002-17:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Ace bleach is good stuff for sports socks - mine can only be washed at 40*C, otherwise they shrink, but Ace really helps to keep them white. I also use it neat as a pre-treater for certain stains.
Remember when the Hotpoint WM70 (Ultima) series went from a B-grade wash to an A-grade? They did it by extending the cycle time for the 60*C cycle from about 1.5 hours to 3 hours! Rather a simplistic approach in my mind, and not terribly popular with customers, either.
Most 40*C cycles today take around 2 hours, which people often moan about. But when you consider the wash performance these days is so good, yet the water consumption is lower than ever, perhaps it isn't a bad tradeoff to make.
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Post# 18479-6/11/2002-17:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: After five calls to technical support (Dyson Washer)
MESSAGE: Another vote for yellow and silver here, it has the classic Dyson look. Having said that, my favourite models were the DC02/DC03 Clear. It's fascinating to be able to see all air passages and wiring, which would normally be hidden away out of view.
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Post# 18480-6/11/2002-18:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
At the Maytag Launderette, I mainly used the Neptunes, because you can wash pretty much anything in them. As much as I love the design of the Maytag TLs, I think they have a hard time churning over a load of jeans or other heavy fabrics.
Luckily, I've always had good results with Speed Queen TLs. You're right about the noise, the sound of the pump sucking air during the spin cycle is very loud. That's one area where commercial FLs will always be quieter, and they drain by gravity, which just makes a hushed gurgling noise.
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Post# 18481-6/11/2002-18:11 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,
The launderette did have 'hot' water. I mainly used hot water, and when full the wash water was warm-hot. Because of detergent streaking, I did switch to Wisk liquid, the only liquid at the time, newly launched too. This was a viscous white powdery liquid, almost like a powder mixed to a paste. It did not seem to help greatly. I tried powders & liquid, soap in first, then clothes, clothes first and soap on top, nothing seemed to help. Before this, I had only ever used TL style twin tubs, so agitator washing was no mystery to me, but the auto TLs got the better of me.
I have thought of searching out a laundryette with TLs, most have switched to FLs now, and trying one again, may do this one day. Some of the tips I have learnt here may help - I could try adding soap, filling the machine and agitating it for a minute then adding clothes - actually, thinking about it, Kirk & Dave said that the commercail machines locked the lid during wash, so I would not be able to add the clothes. I don't think my Uni TLs locked the except in spin, as I remember handwashing some pullovers and running an empty washer and adding the pullovers just before the final spin. I was relucant to try the agitate soap for a minute before clothes as the wash was only 10 mins, with 1 rinse and spin it took 20 mins total, I always felt that I could not risk even less wash time. Actualy, I must have been able to open the lid to check the water temp that I commented on in my first sentence - it was a lot of years ago that I am trying to recall this. If I remember correctly, the water level was 3/4 or ore up the tub.
Richtoo
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Post# 18482-6/11/2002-18:14 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
I can't remember the TL brand at Uni, may have been Maytag, or possibly Speed Queen or Whirlpool. I think that cabinets were a creamy colour rather than brilliant white, but I don't remember the agitators. This was early mid 80s, and I guess the washers were 70s models.
Richtoo
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Post# 18483-6/11/2002-18:15 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
In all my months here, I have only ever found anyone in the chat room on 2 occasions, I rarely check anymore.
Richtoo
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Post# 18484-6/11/2002-18:18 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi again Dave,
We will have to start a club for us non-skinnies. I could do with loosing a stone or 2, but I love my food, fags and wine.
Thongs, yuk. I remember a skinny friend of mine telling me how had bought a g-string. I warned him not to fart or he would end up playing 'Air on a G String'.
Richtoo
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Post# 18485-6/11/2002-18:21 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
CBT???, Its usualy somewhat adult meaning does not fit in your context.
Richtoo
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Post# 18486-6/11/2002-18:22 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Go on Dave,
Do elaborate
Richtoo
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Post# 18487-6/11/2002-18:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, unless this has changed in recent times, there are usually people in the chatroom in the late night hours here (11pm - 2am or so) which of course translates to very early morning in the UK. Scott
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Post# 18488-6/11/2002-18:27 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Sounds like I may have been using Maytags then. I remember they had 4 cycles, Hot, Warm, Cold & Perm Press - I used to wonder what perm press meant as we did not use the term in the UK. I also remember they had oblong indicator lights about 1" long by 1/4" high for 'lid locked' and 'add conditioner'. I think cycles were selected by pushing buttons. It alwys seemed odd that an auto washer had no conditioner dispenser, but required one to hang about watching a light and chuck it in.
The SQs sound much better - these have a good spray rinse too don't they?
Richtoo
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Post# 18489-6/11/2002-18:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Kirk,
Talking of thongs and sneezing, did you see Graham Noughton tonight, a camp guy explaing what happened one time he sneezed, and the same prog a few weeks ago with pics of women in bikinis, including a micro mini thong - tres gynacological.
I love that programme, but sometimes it turns my stomach.
Richtoo
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Post# 18490-6/11/2002-18:34 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
The TLs I used on holiday a couple of weeks ago had a button on the control panel, which stopped the washer and released the interlock. However, this only applied during fill; a few seconds after agitation started, the warning light came on and you could hear the lock click into place :o( Just enough time, however, to observe the water temp and fill level. In this case, steamy hot and nearing the top of the tub.
Your mention of Wisk liquid takes me back, I vaguely remember the TV ads when it was introduced - sometime between '86-'87, wasn't it? Red bottle with a yellow cap, in the same shape as the early non-concentrated Persil liquid bottles.
Also, do you remember the original Ariel liquid? It was a cloudy blue colour, and very runny. My mother bought a sample pack, which consisted of a pre-filled "Arielette" dosing ball, sealed off with a plug. The soft Scottish water we had at the time made this stuff impossible to use, as it just made the machine overflow suds onto the floor.
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Post# 18491-6/11/2002-18:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
Often when using an easy care, perm press cycle with a short 900 spin, I reset the washer for a full fast spin before drying. I do this for undies which go in the dryer, shirts which get ironed and t-shirts as teh creases seem to fall out with a quick cool tumble before drying on the line or clothes horse. I have cargo pants that just get the quick 900 spin and this avoids ironing.
Richtoo
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Post# 18492-6/11/2002-18:38 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Rich,
Trust you! It means Compulsory Basic Training, all perfectly innocent, rather like myself :o)
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Post# 18493-6/11/2002-18:39 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
I agree, I would love to use a Frigidaire jet action washer, and the Kelvinator orbital agitator looks great fun too. Such a pity manufaturers have standardised the agitator these days.
Richtoo
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Post# 18494-6/11/2002-18:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: 3 hours, that is rediculous. I heard that too long cycle isnot always better as it can lead to dirt redepositing, enzymes are supposed to do their stuff in just 10 - 15 minutes, though oxygen bleach can remain active for hours.
I read a manual for a Smeg dishwasher, and that had a 3 hour cycle, fair put me off it.
Richtoo
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Post# 18495-6/11/2002-18:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
I was using Wisk in 85, in the Midlands, it may not have been National at that stage. I also used Breeze, sadly missed, I don't think it ever went National. Breeze used wonderful fairy quen imagery in its adverts, withyards of pink and pastel chiffon, as camp as the proverbial pink chiffon tents.
As you remember, Wisk was in a very naff red bottole with yellow cap, too tastefull.
I do remeber the oringinal Ariel Liquid, as you say, blue and runny, left the laundry smelling faintly of oranges - rather nice. I don't remember it oversudsing in my soft brummie water. Ariel Liquid would be about 87, as I used it in my own FL auto.
Did you not try to beat the SQ interlock? I would have though that you would.
Richtoo
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Post# 18496-6/11/2002-18:57 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post!
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Maytags have a porcelain tub finish, and a chunky black agitator with vertical slots grooved into the centre post. Some models have an agitator cap, others have a hollow column into which you pour the detergent. Speed Queens have a SS tub, and a solid white agitator which is more tapered in shape.
Not sure about the effectiveness of the SQ spray rinse. It sounds very powerful, lots of hissing and splashing going on. But apparently, a lot of the water just hits the spinning tub ring and bounces straight off, so it might not be as efficient as it sounds. Even so, I found the rinsing to be good, but as you know, I am rather stingy with the detergent, which may have a lot to do with it.
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Post# 18497-6/11/2002-18:59 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Than you Kirk,
Sometimes, I think I have spent too long on the internet, I have learnt far too much in all these years. I had immediately read it as someting rather different, but actually somewhat similar.
Richtoo
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Post# 18498-6/11/2002-19:04 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Yes, I saw tonight's show - never miss it! Some of the humour is pretty sick, but that's exactly what I like. Highbrow humour really is wasted on me.
What about the guy with a novel way of playing the bells? Just when you think you've seen everything... LOL.
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Post# 18499-6/11/2002-19:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: hmmmm...I think I know what you are talking about. A video clip of that circulated and found me a while ago...
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Post# 18500-6/11/2002-19:15 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
That must be the longest dishwasher cycle I've ever heard of. 90 minutes is all I'm used to, so anything longer than that would really inconvenience me. Even I have the need to run two loads at times, despite living alone, and a three hour wait would probably convert me back to doing it by hand!
I heard the same thing about excessive wash times causing redeposition. Besides which, I would have thought the aim is to get clothes clean in as little time possible, to reduce wear and tear. I can't imagine that clothes which are constantly subjected to 3 hour cycles will last as long as they normally would.
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Post# 18501-6/11/2002-19:20 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: They say knowledge is power, but there are some things I could have done without learning!
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Post# 18502-6/11/2002-19:24 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: And it sounds like you were SO thrilled it found you, Scott LOL. There are several e-mail buddies who send me such things all the time, and now I automatically grit my teeth in anticipation of the horrors which await me as soon as I click on the file download button!
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Post# 18503-6/11/2002-19:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (doesn't work for me)
MESSAGE: I have been unable to get the chatroom to run on my computer for a couple of weeks now. I have tried everything to get it to work (with either IE or Netscape) called my ISP for help in searching for the problem, re-installed IE 6 and Java all to no avail.
Nada, zip, nothing.......
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Post# 18504-6/11/2002-20:03 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (doesn't work for me)
MESSAGE: I tried it last night and it wouldn't work - sounds like very few if any people would be on anyway. Me using Mac OS X, IE 5.1
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Post# 18505-6/11/2002-20:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (doesn't work for me)
MESSAGE: OK, now I don't know what I did right or wrong, but now it's working...
All this newfangled stuff, I just don't know....
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Post# 18506-6/11/2002-20:10 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: 3 hours to wash dishes! WTF does it do with them, polish the silverware by hand?!?
The longest dishwasher cycle I can think of is the Eco50 program on my Whirlpool. It's about 2.25 hours, but washes better than any other machine I've used.
Sometimes my washer takes 3 hours+, but that's 'cause it gets reset until the clothes are rinsed properly. I'm sick of it, was swearing at it last night "clunk clunk buzz screech clang boing" "shut the f*ck up" *thump*.
I love onomatopoeic (sp?) words :)
Um, yes, can't imagine having a standard 3 hour wash cycle.
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Post# 18507-6/11/2002-20:16 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: It's just funny 'cause I look like (and usually am) the most mild mannered, quiet person. I can be bitchy, but I am very very rarely violent. I think the last time I was violent was two years ago when a friend and I got beaten up in Edinburgh. The guys may have gotten away, but at least one of them left with sore nuts and a rather sore knee...
Thus the thought of me with a baseball bat is rather funny :)
Kirk - as for stealing a parking space? You wouldn't have to worry, I can't drive yet. When I have learnt, if I don't get rid of my Fiesta and get a car with power steering, any car that got in the way would be hit - it seems to take forever to turn.
Dave
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Post# 18508-6/11/2002-20:21 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: What about the woman who launched the fireworks, by firing a tennis ball from between her legs (for want of a non crude description)?
Or the metal detector and the guy with a prince albert?
I can't watch Graham Norton all the time, I think I'd get annoyed with it. Some highbrow humour I like, others I hate. I found Frasier got boring when it tried to go more 'upmarket'. Give me Scrubs, or Will&Grace, or The Simpsons and I'll be happy.
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Post# 18509-6/11/2002-20:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Imagine if you will;
A brand new washer combining all of the best features and design elements from the vintage brands. The drama of an ABC/Kelvinator agitator, the 1140rpm spin of a Frigidaire Unimatic, the capacity of 1-18, Philco Ball Point Balance, Bendix Magic Heater.....
You have entered the Washer Twilight Zone.
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Post# 18510-6/11/2002-20:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (And, it's automatic!)
MESSAGE: It's a beautiful washer - here's a picture, the yellow one is on the left.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Maytag&.src=ph&.dnm=My+Maytags.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/Maytag%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18511-6/11/2002-20:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Does the GE dryer have good rollers?
I wonder if it could be combined with the one I have into a yellow cabinet....
As if I need more work to do, but how beautiful it would be!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/General+Electric&.src=ph&.dnm=1957+Super+Fast+GE+Dryer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/General%2bElectric%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18512-6/11/2002-20:53 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (Chat!!)
MESSAGE: I was able to get into chat but nobody was their to chat with
Peter
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Post# 18513-6/11/2002-20:55 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Twilight Zone and Washers!)
MESSAGE: Yes Yes - Hered to Jetaction and Splashaway!
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Post# 18514-6/11/2002-22:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Sorry Greg, I've never had the dryer energized.
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Post# 18515-6/11/2002-22:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm (Full View)
MESSAGE: I've created a better view of the aerial of the Farm for the site.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/FARM/FARM.jpg
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Post# 18516-6/11/2002-23:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: I think I just had another orgasm.
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Post# 18517-6/11/2002-23:21 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (bulges)
MESSAGE: and other guys shove socks in their undies to GET the bulge. Such problems....
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Post# 18518-6/11/2002-23:33 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: This is a new type of post! (Milnor)
MESSAGE: I haven't seen many Milnors in coin-ops lately. At least here the newer speed queen front loaders seem to have taken over the coin-op market. Milnors are still quite common in hotel and other commercial laundries.
I think my next washer needs to be the Milnor tunnel washer.
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Post# 18519-6/11/2002-23:45 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: I'm assumming you mean Graham Norton. The show is really fun. I especially love the audience participation - the questions at the beginning ("remain standing if you've ever had an unfortunate experience with public nudity") and the contests at the end (one man's interpretation of an "Easter bonnet" was, um, interesting). The part with celebrities and his lovely friends is just filler.
LINK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/tv_and_radio/newsid_1329000/1329441.stm
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Post# 18520-6/11/2002-23:55 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: The tennis ball was a lot of fun - probably more so for her.
I missed the prince albert.
The best story was the young man at a party. Woke up naked in a park. Thought he was having some fun with a girl from the party --- but it turned out to be a stray dog...
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Post# 18521-6/11/2002-00:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room (Chat!!)
MESSAGE: Peter, the chat room doesn't get lively until you're already in bed eastern time. 11:00 p.m.
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Post# 18522-6/11/2002-00:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Did you look on the back to see if there are two power cords? Well, I hate to bring home another appliance to store in the garage, but if nobody takes it.....
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Post# 18523-6/11/2002-00:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Bob, if you have to think about it, it probably didn't happen :-)
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Post# 18524-6/12/2002-03:29 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And, don't forget the stainless steel solid tub!
Eddy
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Post# 18525-6/12/2002-04:27 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Gansky, you forgot the control panel lights, tub lights and window lid!!!
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Post# 18526-6/12/2002-06:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Its Time to Make Some Space (57 GE dryer)
MESSAGE: Only one 220 volt connection on this dryer.
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Post# 18527-6/12/2002-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And ozone bulb - for fresh, sanitized laundry!
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Post# 18528-6/12/2002-12:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Arial view of the Farm (Look at all the Kenmore 800s!)
MESSAGE: All those poor Lady K's and K800s waiting for me to rescue them. How many Kenmores can I fit in an S10 pickup? I'll just have to find out.
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Post# 18529-6/12/2002-12:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Selectable wash action and universal agitator mounting so you can go from a 3-ring to a Roto Swirl in a matter of seconds. The wash action selector will have 3 settings: vertical (Frigidaire), horizontal (Kenmore, etc.), and oscillate (ABC/Kelvinator). Spin speeds: 550 (Kenmore, etc), 850 (Multimatic), 1140 (Unimatic)
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Post# 18530-6/12/2002-12:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (also)
MESSAGE: An MP3 player and it comes with a Smartmedia card reader. It also comes with a Smartmedia card preloaded with Burt Bacharach's Greatest Hits... Vintage washing at its finest.
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Post# 18531-6/12/2002-12:27 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk, Jon,
As fans of Ace Bleach (oxygen), have you tried Ecover laundry bleach. It is a powder, pretty similar to oxyclean, but at a fraction of teh cost. Ecover is £1.49 in Sainsburys and Waitrose, £1.35 in Tesco for a 400gram box. Its very economical, use 15g, 1 tablespoon to prevent yellowing of whites, 30g for normal stains and 45g for heavy stains, so the box says, I cant use 45g as it foams too much at that ammount. I also add it to the DW occasionally if I need to boost cleaning or bleaching.
Richtoo
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Post# 18532-6/12/2002-12:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
I too saw the show, but did not see him play the bells, I had to avert my eyes as I was close to throwing. I saw him swallow the sword and lightstick - what a waste of talent.
Richtoo
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Post# 18533-6/12/2002-12:34 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
Even a 3 hour DW cycle would not get me doing them by hand, though it would annoy me.
Good point about the wear factor with long wash times. We should redesign the Euro labels, as well as wash performance, energy use, water use, noise and spin efficiency at 60, we would include these measures for all cycles, a simple chart would do it, plus detergent usage, rinse efficiency, wash time and wear on laundry. All of this info really is needed to allow one to make a correctly informed laundry appliance choice. I sometimes worry that all this drive to reduce water consumption could be easily achieved by sacrificing rinse efficiency as this factor is not tested.
Richtoo
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Post# 18534-6/12/2002-12:39 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
I agree, unfortunately, I don't think Smeg still has manuals in its site. I guess it was an easy way of getting the required A wash standard with a basically crap wash system.
I also love those words, but will not attempt to spell it. I also love spoonerisms, 'The Queer Old Dean', malapropisms and non sequiturs (sp). My bf loves to give me examples of these that he gets from people he chats to at the bus stop.
Richtoo
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Post# 18535-6/12/2002-12:45 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: It was Helga with the tennis ball, a wonderful 'Priscill' moment.
I don't remember a metal detector with the guy with a PA, it was worse, Graham pushed a mini TV camera down his pants and showed the poor guys be-jeweled family jewels to the Nation. For the benefit of our US listeners, I should point out that this show is on National terrestrial TV, channel 4 to be exact.
I loved teh young woman who described giving a BJ to her boyfriend as her mother came into the room, her mother was sitting beside her and admitted that she knew they were doingsometing but did not realise it was that. The mother then told how, on making the daughters bed, she had found a certain battery operated appliance (yes we are back on topic) in teh bed. The daughter who admits BJs on TV was horrified that her mother had told this on TV, go figure.
Richtoo
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Post# 18536-6/12/2002-12:47 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
That washer sound great, I want one.
I did not know that any US TLs had heaters, how did the Bendix Magic heater work?
Richtoo
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Post# 18537-6/12/2002-12:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Add a boil wash since it has a heater. You US guys would love boil washes, particulrly in a TL washer. Oh, and we had better forget to fit a lid interlock.
Richtoo
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Post# 18538-6/12/2002-12:52 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And overflow rinses, splash away rinses and spray rinses. And can mine have a filter flo lint filter/soap dispense like my old twinnie.
Richtoo
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Post# 18539-6/12/2002-12:54 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: Oh that would be fun if the spin selector was not marked slow, med & fast, or in numbers but was actaully marked Kenmore, Multimatic & Unimatic. You would have to be in the know or prepared to experiment.
Richtoo
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Post# 18540-6/12/2002-13:33 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: You could have an extra speed: Miele (1600rpm)
Imagine 1600rpms in a top! Or even perhaps the 3000rpms or so of some twin tubs?
Jon
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Post# 18541-6/12/2002-13:36 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: What about a Jetsystem style wash in a toploader? And why not a 150 deg wash, to steam away dirt?
Jon
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Post# 18542-6/12/2002-13:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: Does the UK Bid Grother house have a washer dryer and DW? If you select 'tour the house' and look at the suplier list, Neff is listed as a WD and a DW. If you then look at the photos of kitchen 1, new photos have been posted since the divide, one photo clearly shows an integrated FL washer (wd?) behind one of the 2 stainless steel cabinet fronts. I wonder if a DW is behind the second SS front.
They have announced that BB will do laundry for the rich housemates, but Sandy handwashed his as he wanted something to do. We have seen Lynne, Alex and Spencer handwashing their smalls. Alex had sweet little white briefs that he claimed were specially engineered, Spencer mixed his whites and blacks, and Lynne did hers in the kitchen sink, upsetting some others. I think Kate upset Alex when she let her smalls boil over on the stove.
Richtoo
LINK: http://www.channel4.com/bigbrother
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Post# 18543-6/12/2002-14:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Don't worry, Dave, you're not the only one who can't drive. Neither can I, most likely because I have the same problems with steering as you do! LOL
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Post# 18544-6/12/2002-14:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I'm a huge Simpsons fan as well, and even my parents admit to watching it. Sometimes, I think it's aimed at adults as much as it is for kids.
Ever seen Malcolm In The Middle? That's one of the few programmes I turn my TV on for, very funny and cleverly written. Loved the scene where Lois was clippering off Hal's body hair at the kitchen table, while the kids ate breakfast :o)
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Post# 18545-6/12/2002-14:58 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: At one point, I did consider requesting tickets to join the audience, until I heard that you have to be willing to share all manner of dark secrets in order to be considered. The only one I could think of would be the hamster incident, but I really don't think the public is ready to hear that one yet.
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Post# 18546-6/12/2002-15:11 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Perhaps I'll give the Ecover bleach a try when my current stash of Ace runs out. The foaming thing I'm kind of used to, as Ace does the same thing, particularly at higher temperatures.
I did once consider trying Oxiclean, but the price put me off somewhat. They also do a liquid detergent called Oxiwash, but again it's rather expensive for a smallish bottle.
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Post# 18547-6/12/2002-15:12 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hiya Rich,
Doesn't it just make you wonder where on earth people learn these things? Something tells me they have waaaaaay too much time on their hands!
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Post# 18548-6/12/2002-15:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Hullo Rich,
Yes, I do think that rinsing efficiency is somewhat compromised with lower water consumption. My washer uses 39 litres to wash and rinse a 5 kilo load, when used with default settings that is. In the real world, I select the Higher Water Level option on every wash cycle in order to get the degree of rinsing I want. This uses a LOT more water, as you can tell by looking at the level through the door glass.
Perhaps if rinse efficiency was graded, water consumption figures would begin to creep back up a little. My guess is that most consumers would place more importance on good rinsing than saving water - I know I would.
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Post# 18549-6/12/2002-16:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: The Magic Heater was in the front loading Bendix washers. The Duomatic that I have has a supplemental heater that comes on during a hot wash selection, only to maintain the temperature of the water during washing.
Here's a picture of the Duo's controls, but it's kind of hard to see.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.src=ph&.dnm=Control+Panel.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18550-6/12/2002-17:35 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: It doesn't. Those pictures with the w/d have been on the C4 site since the beginning and I wondered if there was a DW in the other cupboard. There's a fridge and freezer behind the two steel doors though. I think they maybe took the washer/dryer away (maybe they'll put it back later, who knows) and kept it and the dishwasher for the production team.
The poor guys have an electric mangle apparently.
what did you guys think of Sandy's escape over the roof?
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Post# 18551-6/12/2002-18:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: Flavor-Wave Oven vs. George Foreman Grill???
MESSAGE: Hello again all:
How has everyone been???
My question is, I am thinking about buying one of those "speed cooking" appliances that I have been seeing on those informercials over the last few months or so. As I live in an urban area (Washington, D. C.), I live a fast paced and hectic lifestyle, and although, I would like a home cooked meal at the end of the day when I come home from work, what I don't want to do is spend hours in a kitchen every night standing over a hot stove, especially after I have been walking and standing all day long. With the type of lifestyle that I am living, I seem to find the "speed cooking" appliances such as a "Flavor-Wave" oven or a George Foreman Grill pretty appealing. What I want to know is what any of you think of them.
Thanks in advance for your replies........
--Charles--
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Post# 18552-6/12/2002-18:32 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: And let's not forget, I want my dream washer with all of the items you and everyone else has listed, but I also want mine with space-aged design control panel with electronic touch controls, cycle indicator lights, a "dot-matrix" display, multiple speeds, and a lighted control panel. And lastly, it must last forever (you know, like the Frigidaires and the Kenmores of old seem to be able to do with regularity).
--Charles--
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Post# 18553-6/12/2002-18:54 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: The guy with dog in park also involved a mother. After he told the story of the bj in the park that turned out to be a (very pretty) blond labrador, Graham asked the woman seated next to him (with a horrified look on her face) if she knew the guy. She admitted to being his mother.
Sorry I missed the PA-cam episode. Has to be even better than Helga.
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Post# 18554-6/12/2002-18:55 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Kelvinator Comes to LIfe (Dream Washer Twilight Zone)
MESSAGE: The Calypso is similiar to a Jetsystem.
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Post# 18555-6/12/2002-18:57 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: In the US versions so far there have been no dishwashers or washing machines (although a clothes dryer appeared in the last series). I think the idea is to make the house as unpleasant as possible - few luxuries.
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Post# 18556-6/12/2002-18:58 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I know how you feel. I'm frequently told I can't drive.
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Post# 18557-6/12/2002-19:00 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Oooh, I'd gladly join the audience -- and I don't even have a hamster incident.
Of course, here you're among friends, so feel free to share. Was it a big hamster?
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Post# 18558-6/12/2002-19:03 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I was shocked when manufacturers in the US started releasing machines that were "Energy Star" compliant by taking away the deep rinse in the normal cycle and just using a spray rinse. I'm sure whenever you work up a sweat suds start forming in your armpits.
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Post# 18559-6/12/2002-19:32 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: Hiya Dave,
Good riddance, I say! Still, at least he went in spectacular style, got to admire him for that.
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Post# 18560-6/12/2002-19:41 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Ummmm, OK, here goes. But don't say I didn't warn you.
When we were kids, my brother and I both had a couple of hamsters each. We were quite attached to them, and completely heartbroken when they died. Of course, we gave them a decent burial in the garden, complete with Tupperware container coffins and homemade tombstones.
At the time, we were living in military housing, and therefore moved every 1-2 years. However, my brother and I still had strong feelings for these hamsters, and couldn't bear to leave them behind. So, we exhumed them, and reburied them at the next house. Then the next house. Then the one after that.
We must have been the only family to dig up their dead pets and take them with us when we moved. Alas, we finally forgot to dig them up during one of our moves, and didn't realise until we were 300 miles away in our new home. Boy, did we get upset over that.
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Post# 18561-6/12/2002-19:44 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Am I correct in thinking that the Whirlpool Resource Saver has a separate stand-alone cycle on the dial for a deep rinse & spin? If so, that kind of suggests the machine rinses poorly, and has to be manually reset for a "proper" rinse afterwards.
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Post# 18562-6/12/2002-19:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Also, while I remember, how would these washers be able to dispenser fabric softener if they only use a spray rinse? After all, we all know that agitator mounted softener dispensers work on the spin-and-dump principle. There's no way I can figure out how that would work in a washer which only does a spin-spray.
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Post# 18563-6/12/2002-21:08 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: The answer, of course, is that liquid softener cannot be used.
My F&P SmartDrive has a "water saver" shower rinse option with the same restriction. The F&P EcoSmart does a shower rinse by default, and must be set for an optional "fabric softener rinse" if one wants to use liquid softener.
A timed dispenser wouldn't work, either. There would have to be some way to dilute the softener into the spray rinse and distribute it evenly over the clothing -- an unlikely scenario.
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Post# 18564-6/12/2002-21:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well Ed, send them to me. I'll set them right. You can drive. Yeah, you're aggresssive, but, remember, I said I still felt safe & secure with you--that's a big compliment from me!!!! And all this despite the fact you hate traffic.
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Post# 18565-6/12/2002-23:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Actually it was a rather charming, if unhealthy, story. Other people have their pets stuffed or freeze-dried and take them with them. The tupperwear was probably a good idea - at least stray cats or dogs wouldn't smell them and dig them up. And in a pinch could probably run the tupperwear through the dishwasher (using the new Cascade plastic booster) and use it for your next pet.
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Post# 18566-6/12/2002-23:59 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I believe that is essentially correct. I seem to remember that there was an option to allow a deep rinse without having to reset it. Something like a second rinse option switch. The trick was in labeling. Since the Energy Star ratings are done on the cycle labled as "Normal", as long as the deep rinse is only an "option" it doesnt count.
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Post# 18567-6/12/2002-00:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (WP Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure about the deep rinse setting, but the Whirlpool Resource Saver has a recirulation pump similar to the Calypso. Water enters the machine to satisfy the recirculation level and then is recirculated while spinning slowly. The water changes three times during the rinse cycles and then goes into final spin. It's rumored this is a very good rinsing washer. I wonder about the fabric softener dispenser though, a timed, fresh water type, siphoned into the sump as in the Calypso would work nicely.
Energy Star rating with a retail price less than the BOL front load Frigmore. It still fills up and washes as a normal top loader does, but the savings comes in lower washing temps controlled by ATC to, I think, 100F for hot wash. Less water in the rinse cycle and lower wash temps (like the Maytag Atlantis) mean Energy Star performance.
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Post# 18568-6/12/2002-00:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (WP Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: Greg, is that resource model still in their current lineup do you happen to know, or has it been discontinued? I note Sears didn't jump on the bandwagon with that particular one. The 100 degree hot water I could not live with, however. I'd have to turn off the cold water during the fill or something.
It's interesting to note, speaking of Sears, that they seem to have gone back to having multiple spray rinses before and after the deep rinse on the toploaders, like the belt drive. It is called the "Ultra Rinse" system. Everything that's old, is new again! :-) One thing nice about this one is that it does have one ATC controlled rinse setting at 75 degrees, probably something like Robert's "cool" setting on the 58 Frigidaire.
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Post# 18569-6/13/2002-02:30 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: UK Big Bro Apps & Laundry
MESSAGE: Thanks Dave,
I wonder where you get an electric mangle these days. I know that you can order a manual mangle from Lehmans in teh US.
I thought Sandy's escape was brilliant, the producers must have been pleased, it made great TV.
Richtoo
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Post# 18570-6/13/2002-04:01 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: That is a totally cute little story Kirk and not weird or sinister at all. Actually, there are quite a few cultures around the world where people dig up and rebury their dead relatives. I think in places like the Philippines and Madagascar they even have annual picnics for their dead at their cemetaries with the uncovered remains of their loved ones present for the feast. Personally, I think that is a little extreme even for me, but we Westerners have a very unnatural and weird attitude towards death and dying anyway.
Mind you, my recently deceased grandmother has a special place in our sitting room. Her first husband, my real (now deceased) grandfather was there for a few months as well, but we have taken him to a special spot off the coast for a sea burial since. I think granny will remain with us for a long while yet, we are not quite ready to let her go at this point. She has her little shrine in a nice little corner with pictures of her, flowers and a little fauntain with a pretty little eteranl flame, it is rather touching.
Oh, by the way, it is all very hygienic. Granny has been packed away in an airtight container. So no mess or fuss.
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Post# 18571-6/13/2002-07:31 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky1.
I found that practice makes perfect. ( or near enough.)
I have only used spray cans. ( and a blower type sprayer called a Little Beaver, don't laugh you Americans.)
Start off with cheap junk spray cans, they are cheaper and much more prone to runs and sags. Practice spray painting on cardboard boxes or any old surface that doesn't matter. Play around with varying the speed of your hand movement and the distance from the surface. It is important to move the spray can a constant distance from the surface, don't move your hand in an arc or the paint will vary depending on its distance from the surface. If the paint is dry and rough feeling, your hand is too far from the surface. If it runs and sags (more likely) you are spraying too close or moving your hand too slowly. You will get much better results with several coats alllowed to dry off between coats than one heavy coat which will sag and remain soft and easily chipped.
For appliances, uou will get a better look if you use an undercoat first, then the top coat. The white top coat is only semi-opaque, you can sort of see into the paint. This gives a better gloss but makes it poor at covering, so use an undercoat first as they are better at masking.
When you are fabulous at using crap paint, then use some quality stuff and marvel at how much easier it is.
For a fabulous finish, rub down with very fine wet-and -dry sandpaper between coats. Use the paper wet- dip it regularly into soapy water. Rinse off and allow to dry between coats. The last coat can be rubbed down with automotive cutting (rubbing) compound after allowing it to dry a few days to harden up.
Any drips, dribbles, runs or sags will have to be allowed to fully dry, then sanded out and repainted.
Good Luck,
Chris.
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Post# 18572-6/13/2002-07:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Vintage Effiiciency)
MESSAGE: The Whirlpool website seems to have run out of washers, can't pull anything up right now. Under Energy Star products, the Resource Saver Gold is listed with an MSRP of $609.
I've always wondered why Americans never demanded more efficiency from their appliances. Washers like the Bendix front loader, the Frigidaire unimatics among others were fairly efficient with water. I would have thought, especially in the early days when large, fast recovery water heaters were less common, that the more thrifty appliances would have been more the standard. Of course, most manufacturers offered suds saver models too. My grandmother re-used wash water for many years even without a suds saver machine, and dried outside to save even more.
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Post# 18573-6/13/2002-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Some good tips there - thanks, I will try these. Of the farm machines I have left to restore, the Philco is the only one that will need painting, the rest are all porcelain. I think my problem with the Kelvinator painting was too much distance in the spraying technique - afraid of runs and sags.
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Post# 18574-6/13/2002-08:03 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I just read this post out to my hubby whose response is "please post pictures"
Chris.
xxx
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Post# 18575-6/13/2002-08:40 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: To give my own side of the "boxers vs briefs" debate, I wear boxers, though for much more humble reasons than Surgilator.
As a cook I found that wearing briefs, as I had done for years, got a bit too hot in a hot kitchen. A stunning young co-worker told me that he wore boxers to keep his balls cool in the kitchen.(yes, that bluntly) I tried it and it works. It's amazing, it's not just the merchandise that feels cooler, you feel cooler all over. It took a while to get used to the free and easy feeling, but now I wouldn't change. But I prefer the look of briefs and fortunately the hubby wears slinky briefs...
Chris.
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Post# 18576-6/13/2002-13:07 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Why would Americans laugh at Little Beaver, they boast a place called Wet Beaver Creak - thanks to Graham Norton for keeping us informed. It's more like us Brit boys to laugh at a smutty name with our 'Carry On' heritage.
Richtoo
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Post# 18577-6/13/2002-14:04 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, Jon,
I was so tempted to ask the same thing, but did not like to make so bold. But as you have asked, I will second teh request.
Richtoo
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Post# 18578-6/13/2002-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (THANKS!!!)
MESSAGE: Chris,
Thanks for the GREAT tips! Posts like that make it all the more exciting to try!
-ph
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Post# 18579-6/13/2002-18:37 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: So, if you choose this type of washer, it's dryer sheets or nothing? Not sure I'd like that choice taken away from me, as I like to alternate between the two as the mood takes me.
I'm most curious about how well those twelve spray rinses work, compared to a regular deep rinse. The Whirlpool rep told me that their US TLs sell quite well, so I'm surprised that they don't import the Resource Saver over here - after all, many consumers here have a rather strong awareness of water consumption nowadays.
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Post# 18580-6/13/2002-18:40 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: I'm sure Wet Beaver is a very nice place, but it really doesn't sound like it's for me. Is there anything fun to do there? You go all that way then get disappointed that there isn't something more there. On the other hand, I guess to each their own. The two women downstairs seemed quite excited about it when I mentioned it to them.
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Post# 18581-6/13/2002-18:42 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I don't know the statistics, but I would guess that the Resource saver still uses more water than the standard front loader. I would expect that the customer that opts for a US toploader has already come to terms with higher water consumption.
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Post# 18582-6/13/2002-18:47 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Any time I tell someone that story, they always say it reminds them of something Norman Bates would do. No doubt, the lady who hosted the local Tupperware parties would have had something to say about the whole thing, too!
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Post# 18583-6/13/2002-19:07 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Ah, that makes sense! So, it's like any other Whirlpool washer with extra (deep) rinse option, the only difference being that the FIRST rinse sprays instead of filling the tub?
Amazing how a little tweaking can result in a "completely new" product!
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Post# 18584-6/13/2002-19:13 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Not at all. I use Downy Enhancer regularly. One just has to forgo the "water saving" rinse feature.
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Post# 18585-6/13/2002-19:18 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (WP Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: Now it's making even more sense. I originally thought the RS spray rinse cycle was like any other, drawing water from the cold supply and draining it away in one continuous motion. I had no idea it involved recirculation.
So, it's basically WP Catalyst technology, only in the rinse cycle instead of at the beginning of the wash? Presumably it works on the same diverter valve system, which redirects the pump output from the drain hose to the flume?
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Post# 18586-6/13/2002-19:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Yes, I seem to remember seeing something on TV about those ceremonies. At first, it may seem a little strange, but it does help to remember that different cultures see these things in vastly different ways. They probably think our way of doing things is odd!
When my grandmother passed on recently, she was buried right away after the cremation. My mother had visions of knocking an urn over while cleaning, and "watching the ashes disappear up the hoover". That really would be a shocker, but the little bit of humour that comment created kind of helped during those times.
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Post# 18587-6/13/2002-19:45 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Very true, come to think of it. I always mention the water consumption to folks who want to buy a US TL, but they tend not to be all that bothered about it; they consider it to be a tradeoff they're willing to make in order to have the particular style of machine they prefer.
I presume the RS is intended as a compromise for those who want to stick with a TL, while doing their bit to save at least some water?
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Post# 18588-6/13/2002-19:49 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Out of interest, how efficient would you say the water saver option is on your machine? I'm rather curious as to whether or not the spray rinsing action is sufficient when it comes to flushing detergent out of fabrics.
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Post# 18589-6/13/2002-22:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: As The Rotor Turns
MESSAGE: After what seems a million trys, the Frigidaire WO-65 is up and running again. I had a problem with the start switch several weeks ago and after much trial and error, dis-assembling and reassembling (numerous times) the crossbrace, snubber, pump, motor fan, lower motor housing bell and rotor, I finally was able to correct the problem and actually wash a load of towels tonight in full Unimatic bliss! YAY!!
It was an arduous process of repairing this problem. Part of the trial and error was good a learning experience, but the price of this education can be high because every time you unscrew and disassemble these parts, you run the risk of stripping screws, breaking seals and causing more wear - or starting a fire... The hair on my arms will grow back, but washer parts will not! I ended up using a rotor from the 1955 mechanism I brought back from the farm, one new part I had on hand and a new pump impeller screw. The start switch is working and the fan is not chattering and the pump is pumping, so all looks good - for now, keep your fingers crossed!
I posted a few pics, for those interested, of the motor and start switch components. You never know when you'll turn the corner and find a Frigidaire Unimatic sitting at the curb!
Happy washing!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+1950+WO65+%26+TR60+Filtrator&.src=ph&.dnm=Motor+Assembly.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2b1950%2bWO65%2b%2526%2bTR60%2bFiltrator%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18590-6/13/2002-23:22 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: I'm surprised the Resource Saver is still offered actually. US manufacturers were struggling to meet upcomming efficiency regulations and started releasing machines that met the new guidelines. The Resource Saver was Whirlpool's attempt. Since then they have released 2 other machines that meet the requirements - the Calypso and the Duet.
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Post# 18591-6/13/2002-00:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Wow, that does sound a bit strange. Didn't the Tupperware get kind of disgusting after a while? Or is this a testimonial to the patented Tupper seal?
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Post# 18592-6/13/2002-00:06 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Hmmm. I guess I just don't believe in traditional burial practices. When my beloved cat Larry died after 13 adorable years, I buried him in the garden, and added some compost, to make sure his body would decompose as soon as possible, and then I planted a tree over him so that his atoms could be part of the living tree.
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Post# 18593-6/14/2002-02:35 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Resource Saver = "traditional" top-loader, moderate price-point
Calypso = new-fangled top-loader, higher price-point
Duet = new-fangled front-loader, highest price-point
Three categories of offerings?
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Post# 18594-6/14/2002-04:42 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: I reckon he is bragging! All talk and no show and one can enhance scanned images anyway. So even if he did provide some sort of proof, how would we know that it wasn't manipulated?
The proof is always in the eating of the pudding. NO pudding, no eating, no proof.
People with quality equipment normally don't talk about it for fear that they'll scare away prospectives, who may feel that they are not up to the task at hand.
BTW a big bulge doesn't necessarily mean 'big' everything else. Since there may not be any further growth potential once unraveled and an impressive length half-cocked, may not come to anything more impressive at full mast. The saying that "big things come in small packages" may be trite, but it is definitely true.
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Post# 18595-6/14/2002-04:50 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Well sudsmaster,
I cant exactly do that with my granny. She is a bit dusty now and would make poor compost. Anyway, she requested a sea burial and that is what she will get eventually.
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Post# 18596-6/14/2002-05:09 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Actually, funny you should mention that scenario with the ash and the hoover. There is an Australian movie about three aboriginal sisters (with issues) and how they come together after their mother (who apparently wasn't very nice) dies. In this film that exact scenario happens to them and it is quite funny. Mind you, there probably are some people (specifically hoover enthusiasts), who wouldn't mind being put to rest inside a hoover bag.
Grandma's urn is double walled and virtually indestructible. It had to be shipped over from Germany; and did their authorities make a fuss. We had to deal with a funeral home over there and the health department to get her ashes released. Then have them specially packed, sealed and delivered to a funeral home here after umpteen faxes and signatures.
When my grandfather died his ashes were sent straight from the crematorium in the US, by airmail, directly to our home. No fuss, no paperwork or health department. Just a straight forward air mail delivery. Mind you he just got dumped into a sealed plastic bag that was placed inside a simple brown plastic (tupperwaresque) container. Had he been accidentally dropped he would have ended up all over the place. That is why we gave him his sea burial rather quickly, because we were a little unsure about the airtightness and hygiene aspect of it all.
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Post# 18596-6/14/2002-05:09 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Actually, funny you should mention that scenario with the ash and the hoover. There is an Australian movie about three aboriginal sisters (with issues) and how they come together after their mother (who apparently wasn't very nice) dies. In this film that exact scenario happens to them and it is quite funny. Mind you, there probably are some people (specifically hoover enthusiasts), who wouldn't mind being put to rest inside a hoover bag.
Grandma's urn is double walled and virtually indestructible. It had to be shipped over from Germany; and did their authorities make a fuss. We had to deal with a funeral home over there and the health department to get her ashes released. Then have them specially packed, sealed and delivered to a funeral home here after umpteen faxes and signatures.
When my grandfather died his ashes were sent straight from the crematorium in the US, by airmail, directly to our home. No fuss, no paperwork or health department. Just a straight forward air mail delivery. Mind you he just got dumped into a sealed plastic bag that was placed inside a simple brown plastic (tupperwaresque) container. Had he been accidentally dropped he would have ended up all over the place. That is why we gave him his sea burial rather quickly, because we were a little unsure about the airtightness and hygiene aspect of it all.
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Post# 18597-6/14/2002-05:13 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: Did you really mean Creak or creek?
A forever inquisitive bubbles
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Post# 18598-6/14/2002-06:44 ||| washrfreak (Dallas)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Well, there have been a few crematorium scandals in the US of late. In one, the funeral home was burning several bodies together to save fuel, then just putting a couple of scoops of remains in each family's urn. In another, the furnace broke and instead of fixing it they just chucked the bodies into a pit out back and put a few scoops of dust from the Hoover into an urn.
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Post# 18599-6/14/2002-08:58 ||| Mr-Bubbles (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I heard about that pit incident on the news. It was quite a few bodies as well. A couple of hundred or so? My my, they must have been awfully busy sweeping to fill all those urns. That crematorium obviously had the cleanest carpets in all of the USA.
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Post# 18600-6/14/2002-09:57 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Excuse me, but I actually took some offence to that post. You are basically calling me a liar, of which I am not. I hate being dishonest, and when it comes to me being called a bragger that not only annoys but upsets me. I hate bragging - I think it just shows that person isn't grateful for what they've got.
And by the way, I have got what's considered big bits over here. I haven't measured it, and can't be arsed to. Anyway, a big penis isn't what's all to a man. Just because mine's big doesn't mean I'm a bragger.
And also another thing I'd like to settle, I'm not posting or sending pictures of my penis anywhere - it's my toy! Sorry if I dissapointed any of you.
Now things are settled, lets get back to HOME appliance talk.
Jon
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Post# 18601-6/14/2002-11:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: Since the coming energy efficiency standards are not mandatory at this point in time, we'll probably see manufacturers like Whirlpool using this kind of design more and more as we get closer to the deadline. Once these machines go into "full scale" and standard production, the prices will naturally come down a bit too. If this type of machine can be offered in place of traditional top-loading washers sold now for $399, the public will have little choice but to accept them and override the controls for a deep rinse if desired. I would imagine for the average "pack-it-in," cold water washing consumer, it will hardly be noticed.
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Post# 18602-6/14/2002-12:09 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubs,
Reburying dead relies reminds be of my grandparents. Grandad wanted his ashes scattered in his beloved garden, thus G'ma carried out his wishes, after duly storing his ashes in the greenhouse for a while till she decided exactly where to bury them. I sat outside with her one day, admiring the garden and she explained how some of G'dads ashes were in the flower bed in front of us, and more in 2 of his other favourite spots. She then matter of factly explained how she had re-burried his ashes 3 times already as the rain had been washing them back up to the surface.
G'ma then told me of something that had struck her as amusing, he neighboour had often sat on the same bench with her, taking tea and this neighbour had often commented that she did not like this particular flowerbed as it reminded her of a grave - it has a stone birdbath in its middle. G'ma chucckled a little as she said how that had come true and it was indeed a grave now.
I must admit that I find Wester attitudes to death to be far too sterile and sanitised. I think the new series 6 feet under bought home how sterile it has become and did highlight a healthier alternative with wailing Sicilian women clutching at the coffin.
Richtoo
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Post# 18603-6/14/2002-12:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Paint an Appliance (Gun or Aerosol Can?)
MESSAGE: HI Mr inquisitive Bubs,
I am sure I meant creek, but I kant speell. However the thought of a creaking beaver is rather deliciously gross.
Richtoo
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Post# 18604-6/14/2002-12:12 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Bubs
As we say in the UK, 'Show-ers and Growers' an old gardening term
Richtoo
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Post# 18605-6/14/2002-12:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: This post is way out of line and extremely offensive in Applianceville. Its perfectly welcome at many other web sites, but it does not belong here. It should be deleted, but to be honest with what has become of Applianceville compared to what it was originally set up to be, and what it used to be, its not even worth my time and trouble to go into the database and delete it.
More to come on this subject.
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Post# 18606-6/14/2002-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: When I first set up this web site over a year ago I did it with the intent of bringing together people who collect, restore or who are otherwise interested in the mechanics, operation, advertising and many other topics related to vintage automatic washers and other VINTAGE major appliances. We had a perfectly good club at Yahoo, but it was rather technically limited and visually uncreative. I had many ideas in my head of how fun our discussion group software could truly be, but I had no previous web programming experience. In March of 2001 I bought a dozen or so books on web programming and starting practicing and over the course of the next two months I wrote Applianceville from scratch. This gave us powerful new ways to search through the posts, have fun topic-appropriate wallpaper to individualize our posts as well as a complete new and rapid way to read a large amount of posts at once. As soon as Applianceville was launched, everyone came over to our new home from the old club and we hummed along again with more posts than ever. As before, 99% of the posts were perfectly on-topic for what Applianceville was meant to be. Unlike at the Yahoo club, our posts were now being searched and indexed by major web search engines like Goggle and people with similar interests in vintage washers and appliances would be able to easily find us.
Over the past six months the there has been a slow but sure shift away from discussions of vintage appliances. Over this time the subject lines of Applianceville's post has ranged widely to everything from modern appliances to the size of ones "biddies". While we still have posts related to vintage appliances, they certainly are outnumbered by subjects ranging from modern appliances to the washing of ones underwear to size of ones "biddies". While there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of these subjects, they just are out of place here and belong elsewhere. There is The Home Site that is dedicated toward discussions of new appliances and god knows the Internet is full of smut sites for talk about ones unmentionables or whatever. Imagine being someone like many of us who thought we were the only person interested in vintage appliances and happen to stumble on this site. With great excitement they expect to find fun talk of old appliances, but find nothing even close to that and move on forever.
Of course maybe there just isn’t enough interest in vintage and classic appliances to maintain postings on the subject, or maybe we’ve run our course and that is fine, but I do not have any desire to continue the maintenance of this web site if that is the case and I will close down Applianceville and send it back to its humble Yahoo beginnings. We had donations sent last year to pay for the server, these donations have covered the server costs through the summer and will continue to cover the payments for another few months, after that maybe its time to close the site and take a time out to reflect how it should be run, maybe without a discussion group. While a decision might be made to reopen at some point, if I’m going to do all this work to maintain it, it will be a different place with a new charter. Granted we might only have two posts a week, but at least they will be relevant to the subject at hand.
Your thoughts Applianceville??????? It would be nice to hear from some of the older members too and how they feel Applianceville has evolved, but I suspect many have now lost interest and do not visit here anymore.
Anyway, this discussion is long over due; I’m listening and open to ideas.
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Post# 18607-6/14/2002-14:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: I was home at lunchtime and read this post (and subsequent replies) and was stunned that it was actually taking place! I have been thinking about my own reply to this thread of crap and am very glad that you have stepped forward to put a stop to this garbage once and for all! I am behind you 100%, Robert.
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Post# 18608-6/14/2002-14:24 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (I Think it Has)
MESSAGE: Thank You Robert. I have to respond to this as I for one have been getting somewhat annoyed about some of the posted messages and their subject matter. I know I have not been a member all that long, but I use to really enjoy reading the posts, about the POD, or how a club member has come along with a restoration of a project. That is how I joined this club, because of what I read in the posts and the pictures I saw about what members have done. But lately, when I read the posts a lot of the subject matter has drifted to subjects that really don't belong here, and I for one find it boring and out of place. Applianceville was not set up for some of the subject matter that has shown up here. Are we all really interested in how someone washes his underwear or how his "biddies" are. I don't think so. Come on guys lets get back to the subject at hand, Vintage Appliances otherwise, I wouldn't blame Robert on pulling the plug on the site. Think about guys, do you want to keep the site, or lose it????
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Post# 18609-6/14/2002-14:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Back to Classic Appliances)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I couldn't agree more. I was one of the first members of the Yahoo club and enjoyed being a member very much. I looked forward to log in every day and read a few posts about classic appliances. I learned a lot about the American classics and that way I decided to take the big step and visit the US for the 2001 convention. That convention was a wonderful highlight of this club. At this time I hardly see posts here of a lot of members who were at the convention. Although there are sometimes a few posts about the vintage machines we have this site has become an every chat site. Last week I thought about the possibility of an off topic board, but I didn't post that idea because this is a site about classic appliances in the first place. Perhaps we could use the old Yahoo club that has become a group but still exists for off topic issues. In that way everybody can choose to participate in these issues. Until now I have read all the posts of the Yahoo club and this club, but frankly it is becoming quite a burden lately. I still keep up with Applianceville so I don't miss anything. In the meantime I miss a lot! I miss the members from the beginning and the fun we had and ofcourse the common interest in classic appliances. With that the admiration of other people's restoration and the feeling that although far apart from eachother we were a wonderful group of people. I wish those days could come back.
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Post# 18610-6/14/2002-14:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert for bringing this subject up, it is very appropriate and timely. I want to assure you that I still have a keen interest in classic appliances and wish to see this site continue and move forward as do others, I'm sure.
It is time to make some changes, our club that I, and many others were elated to find several years ago has become a completely different environment lately. I used to be excited to come home from work and catch up on the posts, now, I barely read two or three a day that are even remotely related to the club's topic of VINTAGE APPLIANCES.
A new club charter, or at least an agreed upon set of standards and guidelines for our discussion forum would be an excellent place to start. We need to find a way to communicate that we, as a group, are genuinely interested and serious about our subject matter - Classic Appliances, as the website address and name of the club imply. Let's get working on how to get back to the club we had before, I will help in anyway I can.
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Post# 18611-6/14/2002-15:05 ||| geodon2000 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: i totally agree...
when i discovered the original yahoo site in 2000, it was the inspiration and the courage to "come out of the laundry closet", so to speak...
for the first time ever, i realized i was not alone in my obsession with washing machines...i continue to openly discuss this with all my friends, as well as family, and feel totally comfortable when doing so...
i open the website first thing when i arrive to work each morning, and continue to monitor throughout the day...i too have been dismayed by the series of posts of the past months, skipping over those that i know are not relevant to the subject, while choosing those which are...it's easy to do, but shouldn't be necessary...
this club is very valuable to me...while i don't have the time or facilities in place to be a collector, i do live vicariously through some of the members...
geodon
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Post# 18612-6/14/2002-15:39 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (has drifted far)
MESSAGE: I am glad you posted this Robert. I too find countless posts here unrelated to vintage appliances and frankly, it gets tedious sifting through everything. There are lots of other venues for discussing other topics. I would be sad to see Applianceville close but can understand what a slap in the face it must be to you to have worked so hard on this website and see it abused.
Eddy
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Post# 18613-6/14/2002-15:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Yes, indeed it has...
I guess we could have a FAQ page that refers people to the appropriate sites for questions on laundering tips, what's new in the industry, and "what machine should I buy?" questions. So sad that even talk about how to paint an appliance has to go into the Creek, while other posts with real questions get buried and unanswered. Silly and a waste of time and bandwidth.
This place has been a fantastic resource for me and a great support center for a very tough hobby to have. I'd hate to see it shut down due to frivolity. I'm all for whatever it takes to keep this place on topic and attractive to other true collectors and people interested in restoration.
-ph
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Post# 18614-6/14/2002-15:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club!!)
MESSAGE: Robert - I appreciate everything you have done with this club.
I would feel terrable if we lost it. I haven't read all the posts lately so I don't know what you are refering to. But if anyone is doing anything to mess up this great place, they should be warned and if the bad contuct continues - they should be bounced in my openion.
If you need my support in anyway please let me know.
Thank you,
Peter
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Post# 18615-6/14/2002-16:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Brainstorming)
MESSAGE: I agree with what Robert and everyone is saying here. It has been something that I've been thinking about for some time now and I am glad someone has spoken up about it, and that everyone else is getting their two cents in.
I'm sure I am as guilty as anyone in participating in off subject postings sometimes, and maybe a little here and there *if we're careful* is one thing, since we are all kind of scattered to the four winds geographically and the club has traditionally been where we sort of keep track of one another. Wherever each of us falls into that scheme, it's important to remember that we're all welcome, old and new, here and no one is picking on anyone, it's probably mainly that we just need to regroup and refocus.
Part of it too might be that I participated in off topic conversations because I was just grateful to see some activity of any kind. Recently (last six months give or take?) I do know we go through periods where there are either hardly any postings at all or lots of off topic ones. Is this maybe why so many old familiar faces (to us longer term members) don't show up much anymore? I'm speaking of people who used to be in here all day, every day and now we hardly ever see them. As I've told several people I'm very glad I seized the opportunity to forge some very good friendships when things were more *hot*.
I don't want to sound like an old cliche (even if I am one!) but I too find myself pining for the "good old days" where I used to get up in the morning and go flying out to the computer to see what was what with everyone and what was being talked about that day, kind of like a group of friends meeting for morning coffee. We did have one very knowledgeable member who was often the instigator of some very interesting appliance conversations that would just keep building and feeding on themselves throughout the day as different people would log in, who is gone and I have to guess at this point does not intend on coming back (older members know who I mean). I like that person and am very sad about this, but if that is going to be the case then perhaps we need to find some new ways and ideas to keep the fire burning.
Maybe a good place to start a conversation would be to brainstorm and come up with some ideas to revitalize our conversations. Maybe a "theme or topic of the day" kind of like we have a picture of the day (people could discuss other appliance things too, but people would be drawn by the prospect of finding out what the topic is, just like a lot of us eagerly await that day's picture). Or, maybe we could have the picture itself be the topic? What ideas do people have about communicating and keeping in touch with one another about off-topic things that inevitably come up just because you become friends with people from being around them on the club (kind of like a lot of folks become friends with or talk to their coworkers about things other than work).
Another thing I personally and some others would like to hear a *lot* more about at this point is this convention that is supposedly happening in August. Last year this was fodder of daily conversation for months beforehand. This year so little has been said or made of it that I find myself taking an "I'll believe it when I see it" view on it, and to be honest the way things have been I'm not sure I would go even if it does come off; I'm just not "feeling" it. Yes, we were all very new to each other last year and in many cases it was the first time some of us had met and there was a lot of anticipation surrounding that, but this year assumably, there would be friends both old and new, and certainly the primary host and chosen venue as I understand it is one of our more gifted members both in collection and appliance knowledge. Maybe if there was more talk or excitement about the matter or I even knew for sure, I might still consider going, and the subject in and of itself would probably generate interesting anticipatory conversation.
Everyone have a great weekend, and I'll be interested to keep hearing everyone else's thoughts, feelings and ideas.
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Post# 18616-6/14/2002-17:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Thank you Scott, some of those ideas you just threw out were positively brilliant! You are so right we need some brainstorming in order to save Applianceville. We also need some kind of general guidelines to follow about what is appropriate, without them no one will truly no what is inappropriate for the forum. Going off topic is going to happen naturally at times, but when we go from my posting a new message and pictures about a working on a washer transmission all the way to dainty gloves is a bit much.
A few of us had recently had a email conversation about writing up a charter. Check out the link below, its the Charter for the Antique Radio/TV/Phonograph discussion group. They are about five years older than us and have already gone through some of these growing pains so we might be able to learn from them. Their site is wonderful and their discussions are nearly always on topic. I think we need to create a charter similar to this and enforce it.
More things to think about and discuss.
As for the convention I wish Jason (HQOTS) or John Lefever would electronically provide more information for everyone. It's is coming up rather fast. I'm pretty sure Jason left the club for the same reason that so many others did and it would be nice to get them back.
LINK: http://www.antiqueradio.org/faq1.htm
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Post# 18617-6/14/2002-17:35 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: Hey all,
I've read through these past few posts, and realised that I have been one of the members that have gone off the subject in my postings a tremendouse deal. I'd just like to say I'm sorry in my 'contribution' if you like to these off subject postings. I must admit, even I have been skipping through some posts as they don't seem relevant to me. Therefore, I promise that I will try as much as I can to stay 'on subject' with the board.
I like appliances new and old; however I must admit that classic appliances are actually more interesting to me than the modern versions; I like going on member's Yahoo Photo Albums and looking at the appliance pics, I do this practically every night. So, in future I will stay on the topic of classic appliances.
Again, I apologise for my actions, and understand that I do have some responsibility in these 'off subject' postings.
All the best
Jon
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Post# 18618-6/14/2002-17:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I think your charter idea sounds like a great one too, whose time has come. I know you've traditionally wanted to be kind of "free wheeling" and not too "heavy handed" about running the club, but I think if we had something like this and looked at it as a "guideline" or perhaps a "mission statement" it can be a great thing to have to refer to. I have only skimmed the radio one so far (I'll read it more in depth later at home) but I'm sure we could build something relevant based on what they've come up with that works for them.
I'm also happy to know of that club, as that topic came up in conversation at a gathering I was at last Sunday, and there could well be helpful resources there for some people that were talking about it.
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Post# 18619-6/14/2002-18:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: Maybe they still offer it in order to cater for those who want a water-efficient machine, but don't want to spend the $1000+ prices of a Calypso or Duet. That's the only reason I could think of, but I suppose it would make sense.
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Post# 18620-6/14/2002-18:42 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Now that, I can't really answer, as the "transfer" was always my father's job. But, hey, it it works with sandwiches, no doubt it will work with dearly departed pets LOL.
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Post# 18621-6/14/2002-18:54 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (Resource Saver Washer)
MESSAGE: That's what always crosses my mind when some folks voice worries about the performance of these products. Whereas WE care about such matters, I get a feeling that many ordinary consumers don't, as long as it appears to be doing a reasonable job. I certainly don't think the average person would be checking their drain hose to see how clear the rinse water was.
Just a few days ago, I had a customer whose attitude was that all washers do the same thing, so it didn't matter which one she went for - in fact, she expected me to pick one out for her so she didn't have to worry about it. I really couldn't imagine her worrying about any aspect of its performance whatsoever.
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Post# 18622-6/14/2002-19:03 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Brainstorming)
MESSAGE: Actually, Scott, I rather like your idea for the "Theme of the Day". Like any message board or forum, there are sometimes digressions here, which are easy to get sucked into (and I'm often guilty of that, so I'll hold my hands up and admit to it).
Sounds like a daily theme could add an interesting twist to things, and as you said, the anticipation of finding out what it centres around each day. So, I'm going to second you on that one!
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Post# 18623-6/14/2002-19:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: You know for a while, I have kept quiet about this but since the lid is off the jar, I will now add my two cents worth. For some time now I have noticed that the posts are getting very far afield of anything to do with vintage appliances. If there is any doubt, just look at the last week or two.... I certainly do not mind some drifting and some personal commentary, but enough is enough. And of course I will add that last year when I mentioned a very distressing breakup with my ex after many years, I was chastised publicly and privately by a member who accused me of "hijacking the discussion thread". Well, what do you call some of this??
May we PLEASE remember the purpose of this forum???? I personally do not care about someone's "endowments" or "appendages", nor do I think this is an appropriate for long winded debate here.
Sorry, that's how I feel............
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Post# 18624-6/14/2002-19:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So Graham Norton)
MESSAGE: Acutally, cremated remains, depending on the soil analysis, would most likely be a beneficial addition to compost and later, the garden. Lots of minerals - calcium, phosphorus, potassium, etc.
I wouldn't mind being planted or have my ashes scattered in a peaceful garden.
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Post# 18625-6/14/2002-19:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Thanks - you can reference my post on this offensive topic!!
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Post# 18626-6/14/2002-19:30 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Well, then there's the very funny scene in "Meet the Parents" where Ben Stiller manages to knock the family's grandmother's urn full of ashes off the mantel, at which point the Burmese (who looks a bit like my Cocoa) leaps in and uses it as, well, a litter pan. LOL.
I have an uncles ashes stashed away in storage. Both his two remaining surviving siblings - my mom and my aunt - have told me they don't care what happens with the ashes. So they remain in storage for the time being.
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Post# 18627-6/14/2002-19:32 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Boxers)
MESSAGE: Well, as they say, and this is not directed at anybody here, but it's not necessary to be well endowed to be a giant pr*ck. ;-)
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Post# 18628-6/14/2002-19:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Count me in also. If I want smut and garbage I can find that anywhere. This website is a godsend to those of us with an interest in vintage washers and dryers and yes, an occasional dishwasher. Let's hope it is not too late for us to rescue ourselves! I have learned a lot here and would miss the knowledge and expertise you have all shared.........
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Post# 18629-6/14/2002-19:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: It would be interesting to hear ideas on how we might bring those who left back into the club. I have missed hearing form many of them.. I will help in any way I can.....
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Post# 18630-6/14/2002-19:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: What a number of sites do is provide a "sandbox" for people to post off-topic messages. This sandbox could be set to just overwrite messages as they reach the magic 100 number, with no archiving, and hopefully minimal maintenance as long as people don't violate basic rules of civility. What do you think, Uni? Is the software you're using capable of such things?
I confess I'm one of those who, while I have an appreciation for and even own a variety of vintage appliances, a lot of the talk gets very specific about machines I've never seen or aspects of them I'll probably never get into. So I tend to skip over the messages about the various permutations of Service or Hoover washers, etc, but pay more attention to those about OLD Bendix, Westinghouse, or Maytag. At the same time I appreciate the expertise of many here about the pros and cons of various modern washer designs, especially as they might relate to older, discontinued designs (like the comparisons of the Calypso to the ABC-O-Matic). The noise about whether a front loader or a top loader is better, the size of one's endowments, or other trivia I suppose we could all do well without.
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Post# 18631-6/14/2002-19:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I second, third and fourth that motion!! Maybe when we iron out some of the details, if we came up with a sort of "promotional" email to send off to some of our inactive members (different people will have different people's emails, so we could all kind of help).
I liked your comment about the "occasional dishwasher". That made me giggle. :->
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Post# 18632-6/14/2002-19:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: I hope the club doesn't get too restrictive about what it considers appropriate discussion material. There seems to be a strong bias towards washers with some here and in some cases against other appliances like dishwashers, fridges, ranges, etc. Why, just last month Uni posted messages and links to his recent restoration of an old console TV set, and he asked me to post a link to photos of my restored '50 Plymouth and radio. I just took those photos last night but now I'm not sure if I should post a link to them or not...
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Post# 18633-6/14/2002-20:01 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I'd been going to suggest that self same thing for an 'off topic chat' forum.
I'm one of the ones who tends to chat more about 'off topic' stuff than the vintage appliances, and I apologise for that. There is one simple reason though: I know far more about European appliances than I do American ones. I feel a bit stupid sometimes if I try to join in the discussion, and several times I've written a post only to not send it 'cause I feel silly asking the questions. The majority of members here probably wouldn't mind me asking, but there are a few who I get the impression would rather not answer 'silly questions'. When I left for however long I was gone for, I did so because I'd had some harrassing email from someone reading this forum. I don't particularly want to go into it, but it (along with another incident) put me off posting on forums unless I personally knew a couple of the people there. That was quite a while back though.
As much as I don't mind being told I'm wrong when I ask things, I really detest being made out to be a complete idiot. I'd love to continue posting here (as long as y'all don't mind me being here :) ) but could I make a suggestion that it could be useful to have an FAQ of sorts. Perhaps listing companies and who bought/made/sold/killed-off who?
Reading this back it sounds silly even to me. Oh well...
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Post# 18634-6/14/2002-20:06 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: Jon, I just tried to email you but the address in your profile didn't work, I got messages back saying it was an inactive account?
(and yes I'm well aware of the irony of me posting this ot message under this header!)
Back on topic, could I suggest that maybe setting up an EZboard or something like that for off topic discussion may be an idea worth considering? If I could find something suitable I'd be quite happy to maintain it if enough people are interested.
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Post# 18635-6/14/2002-20:10 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: In an attempt at an on topic post for once, I thought I'd bring this up.
How many of you who are in the UK, or who've visited, have been to the Science Museum in London? I haven't been for a few years but I can still remember some of the appliances hidden in the basement.
The one that intrigued me the most was an old washer (can't remember the make) which had an interesting design. If I recall correctly, the basket was donut shaped (rather like one of those ring cake tins) and apparently would roll round on the v-axis dipping the laundry in and out of the water. Then when the time came to spin would just spin like a v-axis top loader. I think I described that badly, but does it sound at all familiar to anyone?
There is (or was last time I was there) a good collection of appliances in the basement.
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Post# 18636-6/14/2002-20:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: It sounds intriguing. Was the donut in a "dunking" position all the time, or in a "hula hoop" position?
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Post# 18637-6/14/2002-20:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Dave, I for one am sorry to hear you've had these unfortunate encounters. Far as I am concerned, anyone found to be harrassing another clubmember, publicly or privately, should be permanently removed from the club.
My European friends have been one of the greatest gifts I have received from being a member of this club, and I want it to be so all our friends from all around the world will feel welcome and safe here. To me, no question is a silly or stupid question (just ask some of the longer term members about some of the things we asked each other earlier on!), and for our purposes *especially* any sort of question that pertains to the topic at hand is more than appropriate!
I have learned so much about the appliances of other lands through my readings of the Euro/Australian postings here and at places like the twin tub emporium and etc., and happily now in person when I visited Mikey. There are many things we all don't know at first about things, even those that are native to us! That's part of what makes things interesting for us all.
I hope you will stay with us and feel free to ask any questions you may have, that is of course what a forum like this should be all about.
Some important things we all need to remember as that we are all individuals, and we all started out in this somewhere, and that everyone's interests and inquiries deserve to be treated with respect. Same goes for what Sudsmaster was saying: perhaps the majority of the interest and conversations center around laundry appliances, but there are other vintage appliances too, and even if they are lesser discussed, they are topic-appropriate and a 1952 Caloric range might be just as exciting to someone as a pink ABC o Matic might be to the next person, and if they found it, for instance, we should be just as excited and supportive of them as they would be of another of us for the latter item.
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Post# 18638-6/14/2002-20:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: Hmm....I wonder if Mikey knows about that! We may just have to check that out next time I'm there!
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Post# 18639-6/14/2002-20:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: I don't know what I did with the email I got from a friend, but there is a show on Home and Garden TV on cable that is apparently a tour of some homes of women who have played TV moms. I believe it was on at 8 and 11 tonight, central time she said, and she thought it was something that would keep appearing in the schedule. The reason I mention this is because one of the people showcased is Doris Roberts (whom I just love, and is currently in "Everybody Loves Raymond") who is said to have an "unusual laundry room." One of us needs to find out what that's all about! :-)
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Post# 18640-6/14/2002-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: TV Moms at Home
60 min.
Florence Henderson tours celebrity homes of women who've played moms on TV.
Stops along the tour include the residence of Renee Taylor, who says her “glitzy” interiors reflect the ornate style prevalent in movie star's homes in the 1930s and '40s; and the Mediterranean-style abode of JoMarie Payton, which has many modern touches, including an outdoor kitchen. Also featured are the homes of Doris Roberts (who has an unusual laundry room); Estelle Harris (who's “addicted” to garage sales); and Michael Learned (who says her house is “grandchild-friendly”).
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Post# 18641-6/14/2002-20:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: Here's what's on tonight at 9 PM PDT:
TV Moms at Home
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HGTV 67 Jun 14 09:00pm Add to My Calendar
Special/Other, 60 Mins.
Michael Learned (``The Waltons''); Renee Taylor (``The Nanny'').
Original Airdate: May 9, 1999.
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Post# 18642-6/14/2002-20:43 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: I may try to tape this one!
Thanks!
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Post# 18643-6/14/2002-21:37 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Has Applianceville Drifted Away)
MESSAGE: Thank you Uni for speaking on behalf of the many members tired of the endless non vintage washer related topics. I like many of the members thought I was the only person with such an interest in vintage washers that I grew up with and fondly remembered. I couldn't believe it when I discovered this site and all the members nationwide and then worldwide with a similar interest. Please do whatever to keep this site alive.
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Post# 18644-6/14/2002-21:40 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: I remember we had a very similar conversation like this at Christmastime about an ettique code that caused quite a bit of controversy.
I have been guilty too in participating in off topic conversations. Some of them are just a part of the getting to know you process while some go too far and there are people on this forum hell bent of pushing the envelope further. I looked back and realised I was one of the starters of the boxer topic I nvere thought it would turn smutty like it did but maybe I was being naive. Sorry for that.
Me personally what I think as a member who was in the old Yahoo group is how much I love this site! I have always loved washing machines and used to look at manufactures web sites from around the world. Here I have discovered how different and unusual things work. I am not the position to collect old appliances and where I live there are not that many around. But at this site I have learned things about wonderful washing machines and even downloaded videos ( which I constantly look at when I should be typing an assignment ) of wonderful things like the Pulsating Frigidaire and orbital kelvinator, things before I have only seen pictures of and almost no chance of seeing in the flesh.
However I like talking about modern appliances too and I enjoy talking about this on the site because the members here appreciate washing machines unlike THS where many are just average consumers who dont really care other than making the right choice, and many repairmen that just view washing machines as nothing more than what bakes there families bread.
DIscussing cycle times, processes and options have really opened my eye and now I know what to look for when I next need a washing machine or even when friends ask me what I think which they do a lot.
As for chats about European and American appliances I enjoy both. Being from Australia I know little about the appliances from either continents and being a curious washerphile i really lap both conversation topics up! I enjoy the international flavour too of the members. Though like DaveUK said I have sometimes felt my questions about things I dont know about, but which I am willing to learn have been unwelcome by some members.
I am really sorry to hear about DaveUK getting hasseled by someone over the email. I too have felt uneasy at posts on this site which I did make an issue about. I guess that is one of the dangers of forums and chat rooms which no matter how much we like on another we should take due care.
I too miss the technical knowledge of TomTurbomatic and others and they have wonderful collections that I would like to see more of.
Some posts here are really stiring the pot when we used to all post so politely. When ones back gets up to a post however one is obviously going to respond to it in turn. I guess that good old golden rule needs to be bought out again to remind some people.
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Post# 18645-6/14/2002-21:42 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history (The Holy Grail)
MESSAGE: Wow! That sounds like an Apex! Could it be?
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Post# 18646-6/14/2002-21:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Treading carefully)
MESSAGE: Maybe I am sounding like a prude but considering people might be comming to this site from Google we really should watch the tone of our conversations.
I am sure that this would scare quite a few people away who have an interest in appliances. And I thought that the purpose of this site was to find more like minded members.
But isnt this what caused such a furore late last year when PeterH770 suggested a code of ettiqute?
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Post# 18647-6/14/2002-21:58 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (I'm with you too!)
MESSAGE: When I first discovered this site it was like a dream come true for me. The knowledge, insight, and friendships that have developed from it are priceless to me. I would hate to see anything happen to this club. I don't have the facilities to collect appliances either but I feel like I can share a small part of the wonderful collections that many of you have. Last years convention was wonderful. Getting to see and use all the great machines that Robert has restored was like a walk down memory lane. Please, if there is anything that I can do to help in anyway to keep this great group together just let me know. Terry
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Post# 18648-6/14/2002-22:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: "Is the software you're using capable of such things"
Hi Rich, I wrote our Applianceville Discussion Group software from scratch, in Perl, every bit of it. Everything it does right now is all it is capable of doing. Your idea of a sandbox is a good one, but it's not something I would want to have to sit down and write and test new code for at this time.
But with that said someone could certainly set up a Yahoo Group such as "Classic Appliances Sandbox" or whatever that could be used to move posts that get off topic into a new area that would be segregated from our server. Of course then there is the issue of how do we determine when something has gone way off topic??? Ideas???
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Post# 18649-6/14/2002-22:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I like that idea too, maybe someone or a subgroup would like to volunteer to do this.
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Post# 18650-6/14/2002-22:29 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I think that many of the members who have left do take a peek back in at times to see if things have gotten any better. I, for one, quit posting and lost interest in the discussions, but still pop in now and then. Robert, Thank You for creating a site that brought me back to my carefree days of watching my mom's washer pulsate ... the sight of which I thought was only left in my imagination. Thanks to you and your site, I now have my very own vintage washer. I want to be able to escape to Applianceville again and I want to see your basement! Count me in on whatever it takes to bring back the magic!!!!
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Post# 18651-6/14/2002-22:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: I think you should post those pictures Rich. First of all our charter hasn't been written yet. One of the main topics of this forum has been and should be restoration of mid century home appliances. In a round about way a 1951 Television or a 1950 Plymouth is a mid century appliance, although there are other groups set up to handle discussion of these products. Still a discussion about a restoration of or collection of a mid-century machine of any type is much closer to being on topic than say gardening, funerals, sex, etc.
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Post# 18652-6/14/2002-22:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave, I cherish the international flavor of the club, a vintage washer is a vintage washer, whether it is made in Dayton, Mansfield, London, Rome or Manchester.
"The majority of members here probably wouldn't mind me asking, but there are a few who I get the impression would rather not answer 'silly questions'"
Well then the few who do mind will just have to get over it, you go right ahead and ask those classic appliance questions Dave.
BTW, your previous post didn't sound silly to me.
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Post# 18653-6/14/2002-22:46 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Hehehe, well, what if the gardening is done with 50 year old tools, the funeral procession is drawn by a '48 caddie, or the sex is with someone born in '52??? LOL!
I'll go find the Olympus and load 'em up.
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Post# 18654-6/14/2002-22:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: I actually made a 15 minute movie of the car restoration process, more or less, from discovering the sad state of the inner surfaces of the cylinders to taking the finished product out on a race track for a slow motion hot lap.
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Post# 18655-6/14/2002-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: "I remember we had a very similar conversation like this at Christmastime about an etiquette code that caused quite a bit of controversy"
That was an unfortunate experience, back at Christmas time it was suggested that sex talk and sex references were not proper for our club and I totally agreed with Peter.
A particular member decided to that somehow that little statement was an attack on gay people. Many of (if not most) of the members here are gay and most of us are proud of who we are, me included. I'm sorry but gay talk and sex talk in my book have almost nothing to do with each other. I certainly have in the past and I will continue to mention my boyfriend in my on-topic posts if its pertinent to the conversation, but you will never hear me talk about our private sex life, that simply doesn't belong here.
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Post# 18656-6/14/2002-23:01 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: I quite enjoyed the stories of how your BF did laundry... lol... and that you had to get him his own easy-to-use washer that was more or less fool proof. LOL!
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Post# 18657-6/14/2002-23:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: FAQ
MESSAGE: Well I think the best way for us to write the FAQ section is to do it as a group. I think the best way for us to do this would be to first spend some time creating a list of FAQ. Next we can take the list of questions and answer each one, one at a time.
It would be great if someone would like to volunteer to record the questions as they are posted.
DaveUK had a great first one for the list
#1. A listing of companies and who bought/made/sold/killed-off who?
and I will add a few:
#2. How much is my vintage appliance worth?
#3. Where can I find someone to fix my 55 year old automatic washer?
#4. I'm looking for a 1955 dishwasher, we can I find one?
OK guys, fill up the list...
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Post# 18658-6/14/2002-23:03 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ
MESSAGE: What made vintage detergents clean better than many modern ones? (hint, it begins with a "P", LOL)
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Post# 18659-6/14/2002-23:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: I hope I can post coherently. Robert, thank you for bring up the topic. Also, I admit, I too have ocntributed to off-topic posts simply out of hseer boredome because it's not what it once was because so many of the old members have left. Of one which has recently resurfaced on THS and shsaring some knowledge there. (I even sent them an email welcoming them back to a contributory mode and how mmuch I missed them. They did hnot reply and that hurt very much because I still miss this member). DaveUK, I am sorry you had to experience some harrassment, no one should have to be subject to that. It is difficult to believe, but it's been just about two years since I first met Steve 1/18 & Rhinnie when they came to Texas, just 3 months after I'd joined the club, and they also met DADOeS on the same trip. A year later was the Convention in Minnie. Truely one of thie highpoints in my humble life. There I forged many friendships that have gotten even closer over the time, both domestically & abroad. There was once a closeness and caring about this site, in addition to our discussions about vintage appliances. I'm still to this day regretful of Angus' being lambasted about comments about his difficult times he'd experienced. But I'm still touched by all the love and concern that was expresed about me and for me during last fall's surgery and recovery. Whle spending sometime with Max last night I mentioned this again, because he too had a role because he was the connection between here & the club via golittlesport. That time strengthened the friendships that had been forged at the Convention. And there have been a couple of additions of close friendships since then. But the deterioration has gotten so bad, last night after spending sometime with both Kirk & Max, I didn't even wanna log on to see what had ahpened during the day here. That's bad. Yes, this site is about vintage appliances, but I feel there are times discussion is appropriate to current appliances, as they relate to our experience with old ones, and just for general knowledge. (as example, John L's and TT's experience while going through training classes of new products). And through that knowledge, it's become apparent it may be better for me to buy a 1992 or older KA dw when somewhat now "vintage" 15-year old GE dies. (Remember us all converning upon poor Sears to see the new HE3t?) (Those poor salesmen still to this day probably don't know what hit them). I miss the discussions and close comraderie we once had. And finally, what ABOUT this year's convention. Nothing MORE has been said. I've put in for the vacation time. I've not yet bought my airline tickets because I simply cannot afford to purchase them and us end up not having the convention. Yet, I can still take the time off and continue with my plans to go to Georgia and play in Steve 1/18's laundry studio for a week if I had to. But, I would miss seeing the rest of us that would be getting together. And I'd so looked forward to seeing the "raw museum" as it is now. S, now what? I don't know. All I do know is that I miss the old days & I miss the old people & their expertise & contributions. & yes even the SLIGHT off-topic ramblings (that's how we got to know one another). NOT the major diversions as we've seen over the last months. So I will do my part to hold the course steady basically. But, I want the old days to return of the glory of the club and its closenes and sharing of information & experience. Maybe the Convention in Maryland will help foster this too. That's been my hope for the last 3 months. There, I've said it. Bob
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Post# 18660-6/14/2002-23:21 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: The Club
MESSAGE: I have been reading and watching this club grow for about 8 months now. I have learned many things about appliances and people and just knowing that I am not the only person in the world who can sit and watch a washing maching go thru cycles and the sounds they make, has made it worth while. I have even made a couple of new friends answering a couple of posts thru e-mail. I do think that some of the subjects have gone over the line. I think that conversations should stick with appliances, trips (like Scotts to LA this year)conventions, appliance finds etc. I do realize that a club like this brings many close friendships and knowing people pretty well can bring out the other sides that normally people wouldn't bring out to the public. Just remember that this is a public forum, not private. My wife gets on here and reads the posts. She thinks some of them are funny and some of them are offensive, and others she has learned new things from. I do think some guidelines should be set up for everyone to follow. Not so strict that people would be afraid to ask a question or make a friend or disagree with something etc. I have enjoyed the European people as well and learned much about their cultures and way of life. I never knew people boiled clothes is a automatic washer. I never knew a load of laundry could take 3 hours. Something new to me. But, the knowledge found and learned here by all of us cannot be duplicated because as time goes by it is lost by retiring repair people, Mom and Pop shops going out of business and large appliance companies bought and sold many times so manuals/expertise/parts can no longer be found. Hopefully we can all be adults and monitor ourselves and have a good time with our classic appliances and the friends we have all made. Roberts restoration of the TV was wonderful and the photos show us all that restoration can be done. I didn't find that out of place. It is nice that he can share these things and others can share as well. So my thanks to Robert for this club and its members for making it strong. It is a good team and through the years you will want to see growth because youth today doesn't even know what a clothes line or cloths pin is. A copper boiler or a plunger or a unimatic. So, this is history, and so it goes. Dano
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Post# 18661-6/14/2002-23:54 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: Site Improvement
MESSAGE: On the topic of site improvement, it would be wonderful if we could add much more to the barely there museum. If you need help Robert, I'll be glad to help in any way i can!!!
Geoff
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Post# 18662-6/14/2002-00:25 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: Convention Info
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone,
Convention is only 2 months away. YAY!! I think. Sorry updates were not posted sooner but I can only work with what I have. We still do not have hotel info. Call it technical difficulties. However as soon as I do know what is going on hotel wise I will let you know.
Here is what I do know:
These people are planning to attend this year's convention in Beltsville, Maryland and DO want their own room. Only three people have told me that they want to carpool, if there aren't enough empty seats you'll have to sit on someone's lap and the driver's lap is not an option.
IF your name is not on this list it is because you did not e-mail me.
For those who have requested driving directions, I will have them out to you by the end of this month.
Once everyone is in Maryland we will have a map for you to follow giving you directions to the various places we will be visiting.
I ask that everyone please find post # 13664 in the Archives. It will tell you what Airports to use, how to contact me and all the info that would be nice to have if you are planning to attend. Make sure you read below the list of names to see what is going to happen this year.
Bob (Appnut)
Rich and Gary (Golittlesport)
Greg (Gansky)
Patt Coffey (Will not need a room, lives near by)
Todd & Guest
Jason L
Louis (Foraloysius)
Terry L
Scott (Scottdamit)
Philippe (Wringingwet)
Peter S
Jimmy (Filterflo)
Glenn (DADoES)
Scott O
George and Jeff (Geodon)
Doug & (Bill ?) (Cycla-fabric)
Mike
Steve & Rhinnie
Christopher (Gedgetmad)
The plan for this years convention is:
FRIDAY AUG 16th
Pick-Nick Dinner at Jeff and Cal's
4 PM-
We will all meet at the Hotel and go to Jeff and Cal's.
SATURDAY
Museum 10AM-
Lunch is up to you
Dinner- 6PM at Museum
We will all meet at Motel and go to Museum
SUNDAY
Breakfast at John's House
10AM-2PM
SUNDAY AFTERNOON
Bob Worth's House
3PM-
Food
Jason
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Post# 18663-6/14/2002-01:23 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: My humble opinion
MESSAGE: First of all, I want everybody to know that I will soon be the proud owner of a 1959 Maytag washer in Sunny yellow, as well as a '57 GE electric dryer.
The Maytag needs some transmission work, and the dryer needs a new timer assembly, or it needs to be rebuilt. I owe a debt of gratitude to a good friend of mine who will help me retrieve those appliances, and just want to thank Unimatic for the donations.
I have seen too many discussions that, like Unimatic stated, are very inappropriate for this web sight. I can care less about someone's "sexual orientation", or about "what people put on their cloths lines".
All I really care about is getting my Frigidaire 1-18, restoring my Maytag's transmission, getting the timer fixed on my GE dryer, or how to rebuild my old Maytag wringer to keep it going strong. Oh, and did I mention that I might want to get the innards of my Whirlpool Supreme Super Scour diswasher re-porscelinized?
I most certainly hope there are others here who feel the same way. Well, it's most deffinately time for the TRUE vintage appliance lovers to come out of the woodwork!
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Post# 18664-6/14/2002-01:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion
MESSAGE: Mr. Coffee, I am so pleased that you are getting those two machines from Robert! I have seen both in person and they are in beautiful condition. Both are far too nice to be lost, and I'm glad someone could give them a home when Robert offered. With the Maytag, you get a vintage machine with a modern day large capacity! :-) Which Maytag wringer do you have? Which Unimatic did your Grandma have?
Sometime when you come to the cities after I have fixed what I think is an errant water valve on my 1960 Frigidaire, I'll have you in for cake and coffee and we'll run some clothes! This machine is a multi-matic, but it does have a 3 ring agitator and it is very cool machine, both in operation and appearance.
By and by, you will get your jetcone/pulsator washer! I like all the styles, but was really quite taken with the Unimatic when I first saw one a few years back. It's just unlike anything there ever was or is.
P.S. I hope you won't mind, but I don't use a "Mr. Coffee" but rather a percolator. It does, of course, keep with the vintage scheme of things! :-)
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Post# 18665-6/14/2002-01:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (199 members!)
MESSAGE: I meant to say that when I went to see if Mr. Coffee had a profile to see what he had, I saw that we have 199 members. I hadn't been in that section in some time and was really surprised! We must have lots of readers, and maybe more folks will come out and join us now! This is great!
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Post# 18666-6/15/2002-02:06 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: It's good to see, from the replies to Robert's post, that many of the "old" members are still reading, even if they don't participate in the on-going off-topic threads!
We also tend to forget about the many people who probably visit and read and aren't registered for posting.
Those of us who don't have collections or the resources to search for vintage items do greatly enjoy living vicariously through the wonderful stories and pictures of those who do have collections. That being said, I think there should be some "space" for discussion of "modern" appliances. The trends in design and engineering and how that may relate to vintage technology is always interesting. And, of course, what's modern today will be vintage tomorrow.
But discussion of dead hamsters and grandmothers, the size of one's "bits," and bashing of others' opinions and experiences beyond simple disagreement is way out-of-line and better suited for private email between those involved.
I'm also lost on the upcoming convention. I'm an extremely unseasoned traveler and wary of the additional ruckus and preparation involved in air travel after the events of 9/11. The hosts of the previous gala provided on-going details of the plans and made assurances that everything would be fantastic, and of course it was. One's first entrance into Robert's basement is nothing short of stepping into a vintage washer wonderland! This time, I don't even really know yet where I'm supposed to go.
To those with whom I developed friendships over the past couple years and at the last gathering, I apologize for not initiating more frequent contact. I do think about everyone often.
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Post# 18667-6/15/2002-02:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: Ooops! I cheesed the html in my post. It's supposed to close with this (I hope it comes out right this time) -
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Post# 18668-6/15/2002-02:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ (Volunteerism)
MESSAGE: Robert, I'll be happy to keep a running tabulation of the FAQ questions so we have them all in one place. I'm not sure yet what you have in mind as far as gathering the answers as a group, but I'll be happy to create a file with the questions and then incorporate the answers to them, that you could later upload into the site, like you did when I wrote the log in and posting instructions.
I hope Robert won't mind my saying, but if anyone has something they'd like to share or know of a way they could help out (one idea might be scanning some pictures to add to the collection of pictures of the day if you have some fun ones in your collection, something good to add to the museum, video/audio clips or whatever) you might offer or suggest that you would do that. It never hurts to ask, anyway. We are all a part of the club, and the more we share with and help each other, the more enjoyment we all get! It's a small thing, but I know when I did what I mentioned above, it made me feel good that I was taking part in the welfare of the club. Take a "walk" around the site and visit some of the other sections you don't get to as often, and see if anything interesting comes to mind!
If you post an FAQ for the list, please do it as a new post (not a tag onto someone else's) and call it "FAQ Submission". That way, although normally I read each post anyway, I'll be sure to catch things that belong in this list. Thanks!
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Post# 18669-6/15/2002-02:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: "How to" informational text and pictures
MESSAGE: Another idea that just came to mind is, Robert and perhaps some others have done some nice "how to" texts and pictures of various restorations and what-not. Perhaps it would be good idea to get a handle on where this info is located and make sure we have some good, organized links to it. I noticed the radio club Robert was talking about has just oodles of links like that.
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Post# 18670-6/15/2002-02:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: One thing that's often interesting about new appliances, Glenn, is how one can so often trace them back to something that had been done in a past appliance life! All, of course, except for those things us appliancephiles would really like to see come back!
As far as the convention, Jason has asked each of us for some various information to help with their planning. I think it would be good if we did some dialoguing here on the club about plans and so forth, so we can get a feel for who might like to share accommodations, who is comfortable driving and who might like or need to ride, and things like that. That will certainly help us figure out for ourselves the information that we and Jason need, and give us a chance to generate some excitement and anticipation, such as when I got a first glimpse of what is planned in Jason's post tonight!
Glenn you are a fine person whom I am very happy to count amongst my friends! I think of you often too!
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Post# 18671-6/15/2002-02:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Info
MESSAGE: Well then, let's get this convention between our ears and make a wonderful event of it. I have the impression not all people who want to come are on this list. I miss at least Jetcone on this list, perhaps other members know of other people who wanted to come.
A while ago I got a mail from Steve 1-18 about room reservations.
I lost track of the links to Yahoo albums with pictures of washers we are going to see, has anybody any links?
I will soon start saving laundry!!!
Louis
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Post# 18672-6/15/2002-02:51 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: Hello everyone, even though I dont post as much as I did in the past I still read a great deal of the postings here. I just skip over those that I find that I really am not interested in like the ones the Brit boys post about cleaning unmentionables. I figure I do do a damn good job on mine and I dont need to know about what they do. My opinion. I do believe and have to agree with Robert and others that some subjects can be offensive to one but maybe not to another..but its what we learn from one another that counts I guess.
Anyways I have been using my GM Frigidaire washer now since I got the ol girl last year, and she is doing fine, but today for some reason she decided to make a raspy grindy moaning noise during wash. It did it with one load of sheets, by the time the washer went into spin and into the rinse the sound was gone. The next 3 loads it was its quiet self ..the usual thumping rythmic sound that I have grown to love hearing> I am just hoping that this isnt a sign that the agitate arm is going to go bye bye on me. I had a bitch of a time just replacing the belt last year on her. And thank gawd it was the one belt. People are amazed when they see my washer how new it looks and its almost timeless in looks. I am going to get my hands on a matching dryer soon. There is a place in Albany NY that sells refurbished GM Frigidaires and I have seen one that I want and I will get. Right now I am using my GE Profile dryer because of the finesse and capacity that it has to match the Frigidaire load for load. My Maytags have been put to the wayside for sometime now but I do want to get a window door for the Maytag dryer. I did see a stacked Maytag dryer and thought Gee that would be nice to have a window in the door.
I called around and I was told that a commercial window door for an Atlantis dryer would cost me around 200 bucks...eeek!
RepairClinic priced it for me but I was wondering if anyone has ever done that to thier Maytag Atlantis or Neptune dryers and what the parts are for it. Repairclinic gave me I think way too many part numbers including the front panel and switches...go figure.
Mike
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Post# 18673-6/15/2002-04:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: It should work. I have signed in in the last month, so it wouldn't be down.
I'll look at it now, and post to ya when the emails ok.
Jon
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Post# 18674-6/15/2002-04:50 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Sorry)
MESSAGE: Dave
I just sorted the inbox out, I had used up all my 2MB storage space. Try emailing me again now.
Jon
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Post# 18675-6/15/2002-06:48 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi all (How I wash my underwear!)
MESSAGE: On my F&P I never use the water-saver option. It rinses really poorly with only the spray rinses. Clothes are stll soapy.
However my water pressure is low, maybe with a faster flow it would rinse better.
Chris.
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Post# 18676-6/15/2002-06:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (So cute...)
MESSAGE: Hi Bubbles.
What was the movie?
Chris.
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Post# 18677-6/15/2002-07:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: Peter
Are you saying that discussion on painting a vintage appliance is not relevant? I would have thought that it was very relevant.
Chris.
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Post# 18678-6/15/2002-07:26 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (New Members View)
MESSAGE: Hello,
I just wanted to give some insite on a "new persons" view of what topics have come up in the last few weeks. I actually thought that everyone was so close here, and that this was the practical and common topics, and everyone was just keeping up with one another, feeling comfortable with the topics that were being posted. I however never felt the comfort of 'joining in' on the topics that were at hand. This website is such a great find for me. I am in no way advanced in the knowledge as most of the members are here. I want to use this website tool for learning and motivation in my quest for getting into collecting used vintage applicances, and restoring them. I often asked myself how can I bring up a topic that will be interesting for everyone to respond to with answers, but just did not because I felt like an outsider. I also spend so much time reading all of the post, hoping that someone will talk about a related topic to the website. I often will get very frustrated, feeling as though I have wasted my time, and then going to the Garden Web site, actually getting more information than I was on here. Lately I have been actually reading the archived post and learning quite a bit. While reading them, you can tell where the topics started to drift. I think that it is just a question of Boundries. I think it is just human and fun at times to talk about 'other' topics. It is just a matter of knowing when and were it is appropriate. Quite often when people become comfortable with each other, boundries start to get loose, and, well, you know the rest.
Now on the subject of the convention. Is this a "invite" only event? I would love to be a part of it, and I am actually in a place in my life where I can do this. I was not sure who to ask, or arrange my becoming a part of it.
Please advise.
Thank you Robert for creating this site, and for giving everone a boot - to - the - head to get everyone on the right track.
I must end by saying that I am so impressed with the IQ level of the members here! That was my FIRST impression when I started reading the post here. I must also say however that I asked my mother to look at the site a couple of weeks ago, feeling that I would have some points on my side, helping her to now feel that her child was not suffering from some appliance "autisum." Her comment to me after reading the post was, "Brent, that is some gay chat site." I actually could not defend myself on that one guys.
Everyone have a great weekend!
Thanks again Robert!
Brent
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Post# 18679-6/15/2002-07:43 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
I too plead guilty to regularly posting off topic, I thought we had had this out around Christmas too, and I thought the consensus was NOT to be too restrictive, as it would inhibit the free flow of a discussion. At that time it was decided that a charter was probably not a good idea, and I think someone said if a charter was introduced they would no longer participate (?)
I don't mind either way, I'm happy to fit in. If a charter is drawn up, I'll follow it.
But lets not get too strict about it.
Robert established this site so I feel we should respect his guidance on the matter.
I feel that discussions of modern appliances are at times relevant, especially where they are a comparison to vintage machines. Several of the machines I own are not yet vintage machines, but they are interesting and will soon be vintage. If some of us don't take care of some "middle aged" washers then true vintage washers will continue to be a rarity. I do intend to track down some truly old washers soon,in particular a Keymatic and a Frigidaire, but they aren't exactly easy to come by now that I live so far from the city, and I don't want to be left out of discussions because I live too far from where really old machines can be found. There is a Frigidaire in the Melbourne Trading Post this week - Frigidaire fully automatic, family size, push button, Good Cond, $150. It sound like it might be a GM Frigidaire, as The term "fully Auto" sounds a little old fashioned, and later TL frigidaires (Horizon 2000) were only sold in Aus in small numbers for a couple of years so are very unususal here. I may chase it up, though $150 is a bit much for me, too.
Best Wishes.
Chris.
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Post# 18680-6/15/2002-08:56 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Info (Hotel Info)
MESSAGE: I am working on getting accomodations. I called Marriot on Friday, and was told the original place I was looking at was booked. They are checking out other properties in the vicinity. I will keep Jason and all posted.
I had asked for people to let me know if they were interested. I set up a mailbox to send me info.
The address is: applianceville@comcast.net
If you have sent me a note saying you needed a room, I replied to you acknowledging recept. The reason I asked was I was trying to get a group rate and the hotel wanted to know how many rooms we would need. Sending me a note does not obligate you. I need to give the Marriot prople an idea of the number of rooms we are looking for.
If you haven't responded, and intend to go to this years convention, please email me ASAP.
Thanks,
Steve 1-18
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Post# 18681-6/15/2002-09:24 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: Follow washer enthusiast. I just adopted a Norge top loader I have not been able to find any serial numbers yet but my guess is that it if probably from 70-74 model years. It has the burpAlator agitator and is a 20# model I remember these when I was in high school from a new laundromat opening and the disttict sound of them stopping with the sudden brake.
its a 20# capcity Timer I think is shot I does not advance so I coaxed thru a cycle and I was amamzed There are some Old time groan and grimices that can be heard but what a unique drive trian. Does anyone know the high spin speed on any of them ? It did a load and the lint filter is a riotl.
so now the collection is a 1-18 Jet action and the Norge ... now I am off hunting again OH NO I have the urge .
LOL
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Post# 18682-6/15/2002-09:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (New Members View)
MESSAGE: Brent, we are glad you are part of the club! There are a number of members that live right in your area! My best advice to you would be to jump right in, ask questions and don't be afraid to join the conversation. That is how you learn, and how you get to know people.
We do have a lot of gay members here, but whether you are gay or not personally is of no consequence. There is no reason why people of similar interests cannot enjoy the friendship and camraderie (sp?) of others who do regardless of this or any other defining trait. That is how we grow as people.
I'm sorry, but quite frankly, I take umbrage at your mother's overly-simplistic view of what this club is all about. Perhaps she needs to take a good, hard look at her own life before she starts making blanket assumptions about those of others, or expecting her children to "defend" their interests.
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Post# 18683-6/15/2002-09:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: Congrats on your new find! Each washer is unique and special in its own way! :-) I bet the Midwest Timer some of the guys use could supply you with or rebuild your timer, if you wanted.
Enjoy, and who knows, maybe you will have started a trend for yourself!
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Post# 18684-6/15/2002-10:34 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: Hi Dave
I know the bloke at the Scince Museum quite well, and have been up there recently. He was asking my opinion on whether there should be a change of machines in the basement, as thet have quite a few in storage.
I think I know the machine you are on about it is the "Savage" combined washing machine & spin drier...which i think first made it's apperence in the early 20's.
Regards
Keith
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Post# 18685-6/15/2002-11:27 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Interesting Item on eBay
MESSAGE: I can't make out the picture on this washer, but he claims it is model WI-56 and is about 20 years old. What am I missing here?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032168093
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Post# 18686-6/15/2002-12:57 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Robert,
I too have been concerned with these other topics. I have been a member since Nov. 2001 and without this site I would not have been able to start my collection of vintage washers and dryers.
This site actually brought to the forefront my interest in these machines that I always had but just never took it seriously. I have developed many friendships and have had excellent conversations with these members as well as valuable information. I would be crushed if anything were to happen to this site.
I am not very knowlegable on computer software and such but If you need funds or anything else to keep this site going please let me know.
I thank you as well as the rest of us for all the time and effort you put into this great place to be
Best Wishes
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Post# 18687-6/15/2002-13:03 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: I think it would be 'dunking' to wash/rinse (vague memory suggests the drum would roll round - imagine a coin coming to rest after being spun - that kind of movement) and 'hula hooping' to spin the clothes out. It was very strange, and I wish I could get pictures of some of the stuff in the Science Museum, unfortunately their website doesn't have a lot there :(
Dave
LINK: http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/
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Post# 18688-6/15/2002-13:06 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: London Science Museum - appliance history
MESSAGE: Hi Keith,
Cool, do you think there's any chance of getting pictures of some of the display and stored items? In fact there are (or were) some stored items there that I was very familiar with when I was younger.
'twas much easier to visit the Science Museum for the day when I lived in Surrey, now I'm 'north of the border' I don't get down to the south east all that often.
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Post# 18689-6/15/2002-13:08 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ
MESSAGE: Can I also suggest that an FAQ have a list of any websites that deal with spares/vintage appliances/restoration etc? I've found a few that deal with US appliances, but very few European ones. I'm sure there must be some...
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Post# 18690-6/15/2002-13:10 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Thanks Uni, I've found it's rare to find a group that is generally so friendly :)
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Post# 18691-6/15/2002-13:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club
MESSAGE: I do agree with you completely Glen. I wasn't suggesting that there be a gag rule against the discussion of a modern appliance, but when entire posts are generally concerned with the performance of HE3t or other modern, irrevelant for this club machine, I think they are best suited to a "Modern Appliance Club".
But a dicussion of modern appliances in comparison to vintage ones would be pefectly on-topic post here.
The specifics will be hashed out when we create the charter.
In the Radio Club's charter they state the following about threads involving vintage TV's:
Early black and white televisions, and a few color sets are relevant for dicussion here. However, post-1950's technology generally diverges from the focus of this newsgroup. We generally regard 1960 as a cutoff date for appropriateness in this group.
While 1960 would be too early for our group, I think 1985 would be more relevant, but thats up for dicussion.
Again I'm certainly not saying these things shouldn't be discussed, just not the main focus of a thread here.
I think we need to set up a Modern Appliance Discussion Board as well as an Off-Topic discussion board. If someone would volunteer to do this that would be helpful.
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Post# 18692-6/15/2002-13:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ (Volunteerism)
MESSAGE: That's so much Scott for stepping in a being willing to spend a few minutes to help the club. We need more to volunteers with the work around here otherwise I will eventually grow tired and shut down this website.
As for others scanning pictures of the day, that would be wonderful and I would immediately add them to our POD module. The only thing I ask is that they are clear, scanned straight and show the entire ad and not just a portion of it because it didn't fit on the scanner. The pages need to be scanned at 100dpi. What I do is simply scan it in two passes and join the two half pages together in my scanner software, then crop it and save it as one picture. Then email them to me.
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Post# 18693-6/15/2002-13:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: "How to" informational text and pictures
MESSAGE: I was thinking the exact same thing Scott. I like the format I did the TV Restoration in as well as the one I started for the Norge, which I need to find time to finish. I would like to have a section off of the home page called "Restorations" for everyone to submit web pages of some of their work.
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Post# 18694-6/15/2002-13:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay
MESSAGE: Hi Rich -
I don't think you are missing much, I emailed the seller to see if I can get a better picture and he emailed back the dimensions of the washer, which is still pretty generic. I emailed him back again with more specfic questions about the agitator and tub so we'll see. The model number is intriguing, and the age of 20 years could be a guess. I'm skeptical that it is actually a 1956 though... 20 years would make it a WCI product, even a little older might be a 1-18, but you never know...
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Post# 18695-6/15/2002-13:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: No, what Peter was saying was a perfectly relevant post about painting an appliance degraded into something that doesn't belong here. Its was actually very funny, to say the least, but we need to have a secondary site where post 18576 could have been posted and it continued on from there, not directly connected to Classic Appliances.
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Post# 18696-6/15/2002-13:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: Wow congratulations Phillip, great find. You can easily get that timer rebuilt by Midwest Timer Service. They may even have one in stock.
LINK: http://www.m-t-s.com/
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Post# 18697-6/15/2002-13:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (Lies)
MESSAGE: That's not a 1950's machine in that picture. A WI-56 would have a big toe plate and grill at the bottom.
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Post# 18698-6/15/2002-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Site Improvement
MESSAGE: I would love too Geoff, but the museum is a HUGE amount of work to get those wings open. I plan on opening the Norge wing soon, but it will take time.
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Post# 18699-6/15/2002-14:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE:
Come on, Rich. You ought to know better than that. No one is looking to institute a police state here. Yes, I believe this site was originally established for those of with a strong interest in vintage washers and dryers. I also think that we would enjoy some interesting vintage TV or automobile pictures. No problems with that. That after all is part of what made this place so much fun......
However, I should hope you agree that the past few months of posts have had very little, if anything to do with vintage washers. And I don't want to rehash the topics of those posts. You have read them and know what is there. There are limits and the past few months have pushed those limits too far and way, way too long. Time to get back to business!!
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Post# 18700-6/15/2002-14:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Dave - you should never feel silly about any question. I think most of us know that you are more well versed on European appliances and that should never be an issue. I too have asked questions that I am sure some find foolish, but I am not nor do I profess to be any type of technician.
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Post# 18701-6/15/2002-14:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Info
MESSAGE: YAY!!! I'm even more excited and looking forard to it now. C'mon, where are the rest of you guys??!!!!
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Post# 18702-6/15/2002-14:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: Might be the selection of copper brwon appliances in her laundry room and unless I am mistaken there is an avocado green refrigerator in the kitchen (or should I call it "kitschen"??) I think the laundry is Kenmore, but cannot tell about the refrigerator.......
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Post# 18703-6/15/2002-14:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: Sorry - I got real life confused with TV for a minute. What I have described is the laundry room on the show. I personally have never visited Doris Roberts' laundry room.........
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Post# 18704-6/15/2002-15:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Site Improvement
MESSAGE: On that note, Robert how is the Norge restoration coming along?? Can't wait for more pictures...........
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Post# 18705-6/15/2002-16:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Poll: Washing lines verses Rotary Airers (Is Applianceville Really Dead?)
MESSAGE: Angus,
Despite the patronizing tone of your post, I am planning on posting some photos of the 1950 Plymouth dash and radio.
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Post# 18706-6/15/2002-17:00 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: At the link below you will be able to access photos of Bubbles, my 1950 Plymouth Special Deluxe. I bought this car in 1994 from an acquaintance (who insisted as a condition of sale that I keep the name the car had been given, "Bubbles"). The motor, while it ran, was quite shot and needed a full restoration, as well as numerous other mechanical parts (brakes, clutch, etc...). About a year after the engine restoration I found the correct radio and restored that as well. The photos show the complete car, as well as the dash and the motor installation.
The little knob on the dash above the radio is to control a valve for the vacuum wipers. This means a windshield wiper motor than runs on engine vacuum, with a boost from a special vacuum pump that runs off the camshaft. All stock and as it should be when the car was originally manufactured. The only non-stock addition I made was a modern sound system in addition to the tube radio. To do this, I had to install a special voltage converter for the modern stereo, that converts 6 volt positive ground to 12 volts negative ground. This converted voltage only supplies the modern stereo - the rest of the car runs on 6 volts positive ground as Chrysler originally intended.
I put about 20,000 miles on the rebuilt motor and then found i had to rebuild it again, due to an error in the piston installation that resulted in excessive oil consumption. On the second rebuild, I put in extra strong parts, such as tri-metal bearings and forged pistons. It burns no oil and runs well.
In the process of restoring this car I learned that most of its technology was first introduced in the 20's and 30's. There was gradual refinement of some things but the basic engineering was set long before WWII. As the 50's progressed we saw the gradual change from flat head side valve motors to overhead valves, from generators to alternators, from rope or leather bearing seals to rubber seals, tube radios to transistors, six volt to 12 volt electrics, etc.
The car sits high, and passengers are at eye level with minivans of today. Despite being considered a small car in 1950, Bubbles is quite roomy and easily holds six adults. I have hauled all sorts of stuff in the rear seat, including attic insulation and bicycles! But I think a vintage washer wouldn't fit.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst?.dir=/Bubbles&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/veefre/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bubbles%26.src=ph%26.view=t&.view=t
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Post# 18707-6/15/2002-17:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Site Improvement (Yellow Dots in the Rinse Water)
MESSAGE: The Norge is done and looks beautiful and is washing great again. But like with any restoration after the restore is finished there is usually a bug or two that needs to be ironed out and boy did I have a bug in this time that didn't rear its ugly head until I used hot water after about five washes in warm or cold.
Lets just say I had a few yellow dots in the rinse water and it wasn't sunrise Downy. The machine is now fixed and all done I just need to put together the text and pictures. More to come on that when I finish the Restoration Log, coming soon.
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Post# 18708-6/15/2002-17:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rich I'm totally impressed, did you do this entire monster of a restoration yourself? WOW and I thought restoring a vacuum tube television was difficult and involved.
Anyway, I certainly can understand why you would need to convert +6 volts to -12 volts for the modern stereo, but you did such a good job hiding the modern stereo (as I would do too) I can't see it on the dash. Where is it located?
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Post# 18709-6/15/2002-18:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: Oh, no! It was very relevant and helpful. If you follow where the posts went AFTER the relevant and helpfuls part is where we got into trouble...
-ph
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Post# 18710-6/15/2002-18:04 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Robert,
You beat me to it. Today I was thinking to myself about some ideas for the club, one of which was a Yahoo! group for chit-chat, digressions and the like. Seeing as you've had the same idea (great minds!), I just thought I'd chime in to let you know that I think it could be the ideal solution.
As for knowing when to take things to the sandbox, I'm not sure there are any hard and fast rules, but common sense should prevail. When one senses that the subject is starting to drift, simply saying "let's take this to the sandbox" will let others know to continue the conversation elsewhere, and not tie this site up with digressions. That way, people still get to talk about the things they wish to discuss, without treading on the toes of other folks.
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Post# 18711-6/15/2002-18:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (all white guesses)
MESSAGE: While the monitor on this laptop is good for reading text, it sux for looking at pics. My guess is this might be a 1966 Rollermatic model, when they had the white control panel to match the rest of the machine, and had the square control dial window. Since the model plate is at the bottom of the machine, maybe he can't see that the first 5 is really a 6? I don't think any 1-18 had a white console, and did they have the Imperial (WI) designation in 1956?
-ph
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Post# 18712-6/15/2002-18:27 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rob,
Thanks!
The "modern" stereo (now perhaps obsolete) is a 1995 vintage Sony cassette deck mounted under the dash to the left of the steering wheel. The matching Sony 6 CD changer is hidden inside the glove compartment. Four speakers are tucked away behind new dark panels I installed in the front kick panels and there rear parcel shelf. It sounds pretty good, but isn't capable of extreme full volume because of the limitations of the 6 volt to 12 volt converter. That's ok, since very loud music would be not in character with this vehicle. Stan Getz and Harry James sound great in it, as well as old wwii era music.
Yes, I did it all on my own. I took a month off "between jobs" and it became quite an experience. Of course I had the crank and block machined elsewhere, as I have neither the proper equipement or knowledge to do that. The whole thing on my end was done inside a very small 1 car garage, with the car sitting outside in a very limited space in a short driveway. I had a number of tools stolen while in that location... After two of these "shade tree" rebuilds, I bought my present house, with a 1,000 square foot workshop in addition to a 2 car garage, carports and other covered, paved areas. Naturally, I haven't pulled a motor since I moved in, but once I get the yard and home upgrades under repair, I think I'll probably make better use of the space...
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Post# 18713-6/15/2002-19:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Hi Rich and everyone, I've taken the liberty of setting us up a sandbox, lets give it a try for posts that we would like to take off-topic and see if this works. We don't necessary have to use Yahoo if some else has a better idea, but lets give it a try.
Anyway, I'm replying to you in the sandbox...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 18714-6/15/2002-19:27 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (Thank you)
MESSAGE: Robert I realy appreciate all you have done
Peter
Jetaction to all!!
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Post# 18715-6/15/2002-20:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland
MESSAGE: Bob Salem just called from Cleveland, he just found a beautiful 1955 DV-65 Frigidaire Filtrator Dryer in a basement and has moved it into his garage. He says its white and in nice shape but needs a new temperature dial as the old one is missing. I have a brand new temperature dial for that dryer if anyone wants it. He does not want to keep the Filtrator but was hoping that someone out there in Appliaceville might like it.
Anyway, its the match to my '55 Frigidaire Washer. OK who wants it?
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Post# 18716-6/15/2002-20:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rich thank you for the pics and showing us the beautiful job you did on Bubbles. You photos have jarred my memory. One of my mom's best friends had a similar 1950 Dodge, but wasn't Deluxe, and was black. This is the same lady who had the 1955 Frigidaire Imperial Washer & Westy dryer. Naturally, I'd remember the washer & dryer first. But seeing Bubbles jarred the memory of riding in the back seat of that Dodge.
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Post# 18717-6/15/2002-20:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Rich, you are a sly one. And yes, after all the house-related stuff is done, I sure do hope you will take advantage of the available space to create more wonders. I'm sorry you hasd materials stolen while doing the restoration at previous locale. More power to ya!!!!
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Post# 18718-6/15/2002-20:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland
MESSAGE: OK, I'm drooling, dreaming, and fantasizing. I'd love to have the dryer AND can you throw in your washer so that I'd have a matched set? Boy, a filtrator dryer in my garage. That would be neat. The only way I could deal with the heat the dryer would put out in the summer. (Oh no, I have to wake up). I wonder if Gary would let Rich have this dryer so that he could begin the formation of his 1955 matched set.
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Post# 18719-6/15/2002-21:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Robert - thanks once again for taking the lead and helping us to steer ourselves in the right direction.......
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Post# 18720-6/15/2002-21:58 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I have been trying to place a date on the old GE washer I found but have not been able to do so. I tried calling GE with the model and serial number and all they could tell me is that it is pre 1988. Well, I know that, and I suspect it is probably early 1970's. It still has the big round control dial, but no lights or anything.
What I really want to know is which is the original agitator for that machine. The one in there now is the white straight 4 vaned model. I would like to replace it with the turquoise 8 vaned model but I don't know that the machine will take that one.
Any ideas on how I can find this out?
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Post# 18721-6/15/2002-21:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Oh, yeah - - the model number is WWA8420NJLWH and serial number is SA139064G.............
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Post# 18722-6/15/2002-22:06 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (The wringer and other stuff)
MESSAGE: My wringer is a model E2L, Scott. My grandmother had a plain Frigidaire Three Ring, I believe it had a simple dial and water temp control. both of which had black colored knobs. This could have been a Pulsomatic. There was no lid safety switch either. It would spin with the lid open! I do not think her machine had the multi-colored rings like in Unimatic's photo background. It was all plain, dark blue/grey.
As for the invitation. I shall most deffinately take you up on it! Just let me know what your machine could handle, and I'll go from there (appropriate things like towels, shirts, jeans, outer clothing only. No personal items of any kind).
As for the Maytag. It looks like I'll put it into service right from the time I get it, as the folks in this apartment building don't know how to take care of a Maytag Performa that was purchased only a couple months ago. I get to use a nice, clean machine instead of a dirty, neglected one! How cool!
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Post# 18723-6/15/2002-23:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Amazing Rich - I had no idea it would be this beautiful, what a gem you have there. If you have the ability to restore cars, a vintage washer would be a snap!
My idea of a car restoration is paying an extra dollar for the hot wax spray at the "Spinning Knife Car Wash." Thanks for the pics - hope to see more!
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Post# 18724-6/15/2002-23:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: "I'm not anywhere near the washer so I cannot answer some of your
questions, but the model number tag does say made by GM and the agitator
is the up and down type."
So there! The mystery lives on...
My guess is that picture that he posted isn't the real one, who knows?! I emailed him again and explained the model number/year designation, but there is still the hot-warm-cold temp selection and the gentle cycle that would not have been on a '56 Imperial.
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Post# 18725-6/15/2002-00:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony -
The model number you gave would date the machine to circa 1970-72. It mentions, only briefly, the agitators and differences between straight vaned and swirl vaned. GE service info leaves a lot to be desired, but then again, I missed all the training classes in the early 70's! I would try to get the white agitator out and give the turquoise one a try. Start by measuring the agitator from top to bottom to make sure it's the same height and then examine the top of the spline under the cap to see if it looks the same. It's hard to know what was done to this machine prior to you finding it, if it underwent a re-build, the agitator shaft may have been changed to a newer style (if there was such a thing.) Sorry I can't be of more help, my service book is only for either very early machines and one for the early 70's to about 1973. There is only one short paragraph on agitators.
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Post# 18726-6/15/2002-01:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special
MESSAGE: Yes I do like the 70s vintage appliances she has on the show too, but actually for this program I believe they are referring to the homes the women actually live in, in real life. It would be interesting to see what they mean by "unusual laundry room"! :-)
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Post# 18727-6/15/2002-01:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HGTV Special (here it is)
MESSAGE: hehe...
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Post# 18728-6/15/2002-01:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: What a wonderful car! Enjoy in good health, and thanks for sharing those pictures!
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Post# 18729-6/15/2002-01:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (all white guesses)
MESSAGE: It's incredibly difficult to see that tiny picture, but I have a terrible feeling he is in error about the model no. and that is one of those awful Westinghouse generic white boxes like you can buy at Best Buy for $200. Much as I like your Rollermatic suggestion far better! :-)
By 1966, hadn't they gone to a new numbering scheme that was all letters, and one certain letter indicated the year or some such thing?
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Post# 18730-6/15/2002-01:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I wonder if there is a GE equivalent to the Frigidaire Tech Talk manuals. Maybe an appliance store that's been there for awhile might have some information? Just a stab in the dark...
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Post# 18731-6/15/2002-01:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: Well at least we've determined it's the real deal, and not some imposter! :-)
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Post# 18732-6/16/2002-02:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: The picture he put on eBay is a picture from a new Frigidaire.
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Post# 18733-6/16/2002-07:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Agreed - that is a beautiful car, Rich. Very stately and a great restoration job..........
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Post# 18734-6/16/2002-07:11 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg - I will give that a try and let you know what happens. I could be wrong, but I always thought that the turquoise straight vaned agitator was used until the mid 1970's and the white one started in the late 70's........
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Post# 18735-6/16/2002-07:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (all white guesses)
MESSAGE: You know, I thought the same thing - that picture isn't much help but it looks suspiciously like a WCI built machine. Of course, he could have just loaded any old picture he could find and not have taken the time to take one of the actual machine he has. Greg's earlier post indicates that it sounds like the real thing.................
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Post# 18736-6/16/2002-07:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: Scott - As Greg pointed out, the GE manuals are not really that much help and I must tell you my local appliance dealers don't care enough about the details to remember. Of course, WE would though!! Well, there is one who might know and I will consult with him..........
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Post# 18737-6/16/2002-08:33 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: a suggestion
MESSAGE: While we are working on improving how this site functions, can I suggest that, as a thread "grows", contributors keep amending the subject heading in their posts so that the subject heading which appears on the pink page actually has some relevance to what is in the post.
Often it seems that the subject heading of a post relates to something discussed much earlier, and the thread had moved on.
Chris.
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Post# 18738-6/16/2002-08:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: Yes, I see what you mean.
But 18580 by washrfreak was priceless, I nearly fell off my chair laughing.
Dare I say it, I actually feel that there are two issues of concern here and they are being mixed in together. And we all know what happens when we don't sort our laundry...
1. Relevance. The sandbox is a great idea (not keen on the name but never mind) which will allow the natural flow and drift of a conversation, and more importantly will allow members to keep in touch about anything of interest that doesn't relate to vintage apps. We are real people here, just like when friends with a common interest meet in person, they talk about much more than their initial common interest, they get to know each other and take an interest in each others lives. Why should internet friendships be any different? The sandbox allows this "other dimension" contact without cluttering up the main board with possibly irrelevant chat.
2. Offensive content.
We may have to think about setting a standard for conversations even in the sandbox. Not about relevance, but about content that may be offensive, aggressive or intimidating. We have had cases of these too, and we don't want that even in the "sandbox". I am not proposing to set a standard myself, but some of us have been offended by posts in the past, both by aggressive/nasty comment and by possible cultural misunderstanding. I personally haven't been offended by any of the sexual discussion here but others clearly have so they should speak up about what they find acceptable/offensive.
I seem to recall that THS has a similar policy, it may be worth looking at.
I personally hate censorship but we need to consider each others feelings and try not to offend/hurt them.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 18739-6/16/2002-09:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club (cut off date)
MESSAGE: It boils down to how we define vintage?
85 is a touch too old for me as a cut-off.
The earliest F&P I have ever seen was an 88 model ECS. (pre-Smart Drive)Which I think is the earliest they were sold in Aus and much later in USA.
So an 85 cut-off would make the Fisher and Paykel wallpaper for posts a bit redundant...
How about 1990?
What about "vintage and classic" to allow for washers that are up to late 80's but of some interest/merit?
Chris.
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Post# 18740-6/16/2002-09:05 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (If No One Else Takes It, .....)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I would love to get that classic if no one else wants it. Cleveland is only a couple hours' drive for me. We bought the property next to us a few months ago. We have already ordered a building which will be done early August. Until then, my other half will just have to get used to more washers and dryers in our gameroom (the garage and side porch are full).
Thanks,
Rich
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Post# 18741-6/16/2002-09:10 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I was at a Estate sale here in Atlanta on yesterday and was so interested in the kitched appliances. They were all yellow Westinghouse appliances. Very nice, and well taken care of. The dishwasher was a Westinghouse. It was huge! Undercounter, and I want to say that it was called a "Pull Out". When I opended it, the whole dishwasher pulled out from under the counter, and I was so shocked at how new it looked. The chrome was so nice! I would say that even the handle lock on it was about 6 pounds. The daughter told me that they moved into the house in the early 50's when the house was built, and her mother never used the diswasher once! In fact, she had it disconnected. She then told me that they were planning on pulling out all of the appliances, and putting new ones in. I told here that I was interested in the dishwasher.
Was wondering if I could get some feedback on this unit. I could not see a model number on it. Was wondering if any of you have had any experence with this model, and if it is worth getting it. From just sliding it out, you could tell that it is very very heavy. It was a top loader. Seemed larger than any dishwasher I have ever seen.
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 18742-6/16/2002-09:11 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge
MESSAGE: That sounds fabulous.
Norge washers weren't sold in Australia under exactly that name, they were called "Pope-Norge" as they were imported (manufactured???) by Pope Industries before Pope got swallowed by Simpson.
Your description of the sudden stopping brake reminds me of a holiday my family took in the late seventies. Each night we stayed in a different town in the caravan park (trailer park).
Of course each place had its own laundry facilities, and I made sure I had laundry to do each day. One place had a Pope-Norge commercial washer, I was really impressed with its spin brake, it stopped INSTANTLY the lid opened, with a loud CLANG. I thought then it must really take some punishment, stopping a spinning load in about a second! A good safety feature, though. Our Frigidaire would take about a minute to wind down.
Chris.
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Post# 18743-6/16/2002-09:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Club (cut off date)
MESSAGE: I would agree with that. I would have to say any appliance that has an obsolete mechanism (GE Filter Flo, Kenmore Belt Drive, Frigidaire Jetcone, Maytag Dependable Care even though it's still being made).
I would define "classic" as maybe early 90s obsolete to about 1973. Yes, I'm thinking Kenmore but it was around 1973-74 where most of the washers lost their Chrome faceplates and was replaced with bland single color plates with silver knobs. "White washers" are not classic. In that case that makes my 1977 Lady K portable a Classic but not a Vintage.
I would define "Vintage" as 1973 on down. The chromed out, beautiful machines that was built from the 50s to the early 70s. IE: 1968 Kenmore 800: Chrome/silver/console light/RotoSwirl= VINTAGE!
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Post# 18744-6/16/2002-09:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I think you are right on the agitator color timeline. I grew up with a 1972 GE set and our agitator was turquoise with straight vanes. I vaugely remember shopping for washers and one appliance store had a working demo of a Frigidaire 1-18, the one I wanted. The GE store had a working demo too, which was still cool. My grandmother shook her head at the new GE set when it arrived, "should have bought Maytag." Our GE ran fine with no repairs (except a small blue sock in the pump, you can't spin socks in the filter pan...) until 1981 when it was replaced with a BOL Maytag.
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Post# 18745-6/16/2002-09:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (Convention at Trainguys!)
MESSAGE: Wow! A whole building for your collection, which, I might add has grow into quite an impressive lot (read your profile again) worthy of a convention stop someday!
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Post# 18746-6/16/2002-09:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Item on eBay (email from seller)
MESSAGE: I'm sure you're correct Louis. As a matter of fact I bet he captured it right off of the WCI web site.
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Post# 18747-6/16/2002-09:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE
MESSAGE: I looked through my GE sales brochures Anthony from '73 and the dial had gone to the Square markings so we know its earlier than 1973.
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Post# 18748-6/16/2002-10:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (The wringer and other stuff)
MESSAGE: It looks like I'll put it into service right from the time I get it,
Well, first you'll need to do some tranny work Thomas.
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Post# 18749-6/16/2002-10:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Good Suggestion!)
MESSAGE: That's why I decided to write in the code a "Subject Drift" line. It helps keep things in order and tidy.
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Post# 18750-6/16/2002-10:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (If No One Else Takes It, .....)
MESSAGE: Rich if you want it its yours, Bob wants it out of his garage as soon as possible.
Let me know and I will give him your phone number.
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Post# 18751-6/16/2002-10:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Wow, Brent that's a wonderful find and in Sunny Yellow no less. I don't think its that heavy, probably about 150lbs. Certainly lighter than the standard 250lb washer from that era. I would be very excited to have found that.
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Post# 18752-6/16/2002-10:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: Early on Norge designed their Brake Latch and Band system to automatically latch on to the band and stop the tub in about eight to ten seconds. Originally the brake was immediately applied with a klunk at the end of each spin or whenever the lid was opened on models with a lid switch.
In the mid 1960's they made the band even tighter to stop the tub in about four seconds, but to prevent extra wear and tear on parts they only had the tub brake engage after giving letting the tub coast to a complete stop over a period of about 45 seconds. The only time the brake was loudly klunked into action bringing the tub to a stop in 4 seconds was when someone opened the lid during spin.
IIRC, the machine didn't take any punishment at all by opening and closing the lid during spin, because it happened so rarely. Unless one of us boyz were around there of course :)
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Post# 18753-6/16/2002-10:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for responding. What year do you think that it is? Also, I guess the chrome and metal fooled me. It did seem so heavy. I bet that it just needs some lube where it slides out.
Here is what I would like to know. Was this a good washer? Or would it just be a nice "collection piece." I have a crappy newer Kenmore model, and have been wanting to pull it out for a long time. I would love this to be in my kitchen. I do dishes about 4 to 6 times a week though, and would love to know if this would do the trick. It would not take much to wash better than the one that I have now!
If anyone has any experence with this one,I would love to hear.
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 18754-6/16/2002-10:40 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (If you don't get it I would love it .....)
MESSAGE: My god mother had one of these baby's and Of course she would always wash the dishes before putting them in. I can remember how heavy it was to roll out. and the loading was done in a circular pattern since it has an impeller in the bottom of it. there was a ritual of really checking the bottom of the machine to make sure nothing had fallen in the path of the impeller since it tends to destroy the dish load than clean them LOL ... My Aunt Erma went out and bought melmac dishes so they could take the abuse the dishwasher might dish out. If you do not want it I would love it and live in south Carolina
Philippe
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Post# 18755-6/16/2002-10:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Hi -
Here are a couple of pics of the one I used to have - it was from the early 60's so yours might be older. I never had it running, but the house it came out of had rarely used it. She said it was not very good at cleaning. I think it all depends on how you use the machine, if you drop in casserole dishes with baked and burned on soil, dishes sitting around the house for a week all dried up and crusty, and expect perfect results, this is probably not the machine for you. However, if you are like most of us here, you probably will load it properly, presoak, scrape and rinse as needed and will get fine results from the Westinghouse. Enjoy it! I couldn't use the one I found because of my kitchen set-up, but they are beautiful machines.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Westinghouse&.src=ph&.dnm=Mod+%23+SUC24S03+Ser+%23SD121390.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Westinghouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18756-6/16/2002-10:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Go Get It)
MESSAGE: They made that machine from about 1950 on, but from what you describe it sounds early 50's.
I have a 1956 Frigidaire Dishwasher in my kitchen that I use for two of us almost every day. I ADORE IT. I don't love it because it cleans better than a modern dishwasher, because it does not. I LOVE IT because I'm probably one of the only people left in the entire world who gets to use a dishwasher that's all porcelain on the inside as well as on the outside and has pink racks and a timer makes increment clicks and has a BAKELITE spray tube.
Vintage Dishwashers clean just fine, but you do need to prerinse some things. Glasses and plates generally don't need any pre-rinsing, only pots and pans and maybe oatmeal bowls that have sat in the sink all day. Now some people here and certainly at THS would say, "OH NO NOT PRERINSING STOP"! My answer to them is BIG %@&@! DEAL, the dishes are already in the sink anyway, so I just run the water and let them pass over the stream as I'm loading them in to my beautiful pink racks.
The moral of this story is don't get that dishwasher because it will be a fantastic cleaner, it wont, but it will wash your dishes just fine. But you will have a dishwasher that you just can't go out and buy even if you desperately wanted one! You will be one of the privileged few and you will cherish it for the rest of your life.
By the way, check out the consumer rating articles in our library here. The very last one at the bottom of the list rates early 50's dishwashers, see how your new westy does.
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Post# 18757-6/16/2002-10:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks. I think restoration of any old machine presents challenges in common: finding parts, deciding on the degree of restoration (mint perfect, daily "driver", looks good at 50 feet, or completely unrestored/original condition... etc...
I'd get more into appliance restoration, except I have already found the limiting factor in car work to be time. Since getting this house I don't really have enough time any more to work on cars - most of my time spent at home is spent on gardening or home improvement/maintenance. I'm hoping eventually I'll get the upper hand on both, and then I can address the cars and older appliances that need attention. Compounding the situation is that I like to do as much, if not all, the work myself.
I'd like to get an older Bendix front loader... and a DeSoto 2 door coupe Airflow... ('34-'36)... both may have to wait until I retire. If I had the extra $$$ I'd just pay for a restored version of both...
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Post# 18758-6/16/2002-11:03 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles
MESSAGE: Thanks, Scott. I was inspired enough by sifting through the old photos, scanning them in, and taking new ones, and posting them for you all to see, that I charged up the batter and took Bubbles for a 50 mile drive last evening to see the sunset in the Berkeley hills. That's where the full photo of the car was taken. This time the musical accompaniment was something JasonL would appreciate - the Best of Earth, Wind, and Fire. The motorcyclists at the lookout spot liked the "disco" theme. My favorite selection is "September"...
I'm sure most of them would also like a GM Frigidaire washer. The pulsating agitator action (and vibration) is similar to that of a pistion in a single cylinder motorcycle engine.
Hey, Uni, if I put a sealed bucket of dirty laundry, hot water, and phosphate detergent in trunk of Bubbles and drive her around, does she qualify as a "Vintage Appliance"??? ;-)
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Post# 18759-6/16/2002-11:11 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (relevance)
MESSAGE: I think a suitable standard for any public message board is that if the conversation would be appropriate for prime-time network TV, then it's OK here. I don't go so far as some who think it should be limited to conversations suitable for church interiors, or pretending you are a guest in someone's home, although in a sense we are all Uni's guests and should respect his wishes or go somewhere else. Fortunately, Robert is a tolerant host and only stamps his feet when the limits are pushed very far.
Given that, and risking singling anyone out, I do think that a fair amount of the recent problems here can be traced to a very few "problem children", of the type that tends to disrupt whatever forum they participate in. It usually seems to be their way of getting attention, even if that attention winds up being a painful whack. Their antics can be entertaining as well as exasperating, but Uni is entirely justified in putting a stop to the worst abuses.
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Post# 18760-6/16/2002-11:14 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already "
read"
messages)
MESSAGE: That reminds me, Uni. I don't know if others have this same problem, but on this machine at least, the message title color change that indicates which messages I've already read doesn't work consistently. When I log in, the message title color is generally correct. But if I post a reply to a message, then all the message titles revert to "unread". I have to hit the back button on my browser twice to get to the proper message list indication.
I'm using IE 6.00.26 plus Adsoff... Windows 2000 pro....
Any ideas?
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Post# 18761-6/16/2002-11:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Go Get It)
MESSAGE: Well, I have a '98 Frigidaire DW and I find that pre-rinsing is required for some pots and pans also. And nothing seems to get off dried guacamole, it has to be cleaned right away before it dries, or soaked and scrubbed by hand. The "Pots and Pans" cycle selection, which requires both a different timer selection and a special button, seems to work better, but it's not 100% either. Newer enzymatic detergents without chlorine also seem to work better on many types of soiling.
My former neighbors (and good friends) have an older Kitchenaid dw with speckled porcelain interior. They like it but have talked about replacing it someday. I put my dibs in of course, even though it sounds like a freight train when it's going. It's beautiful and a good example of the best of that old technology. When I bought this house it had a porcelain interior GE dw, Harvest Gold exterior and turquoise racks, but alas the bottom was rusted out so it had to go to the crusher.
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Post# 18762-6/16/2002-11:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away???
MESSAGE: Firstly, may I appologise for my posts in the offendng thread. It has never been my intention to cause any offense to anyone here.
I am interested to see what others have to say about the question of OT threads and discussion of moderns apps and will read these posts, personally I enjoy these threads, but appreciate that they are not the first aim of this site. I tend not to post much about vintage apps, as I have little knowledge and experience but do enjoy reading about them and seeing the pictures, watching the videos.
Robert, I do appreciate the hard work you put into this site, I do hope that you keep it going.
Richtoo
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Post# 18763-6/16/2002-11:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already )
MESSAGE: YUP, that's a little bug that I spent weeks on trying to fix and could never figure it out. It has something to do with the framing system of the page. At some point I will try and tackle it again.
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Post# 18764-6/16/2002-11:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (If No One Else Takes It, .....)
MESSAGE: Rich, I like the no-nonsense approach you have taken as to the storage and location of your appliances! :-)
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Post# 18765-6/16/2002-12:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: I like EWF. They have a very smooth kind of sound while all the while being very disco.
Nothing sounds and shakes like a Harley. Wanna know why? Because they have the patent on their V-twin design. Sure there are Honda V-twins but they don't do like a Harley. Problem is, that shaking slowly shakes the bike apart and you have to keep fixing it, whereas a Honda will last a LOOONG time.
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Post# 18766-6/16/2002-12:38 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Club Charter)
MESSAGE: Hi Dave,
I too like Suds suggestion of a sandbox, could help keep us all happy.
Your post doesn't sound silly to me. I am sorry that you have not posted your questions, but reading about the email, I can understand why. I too do not know much about the vintage apps, so have to ask questions that may be silly or obvious to some, but plenty of people give good answers that help me to learn about these things.
Harrassment in whatever form, including email is not good. I am sorry to hear that you have experienced it, and somewhat shocked that it was from a member of this site as, though we sometimes disagree, it strikes me as a very friendly place.
Take care
Richtoo
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Post# 18767-6/16/2002-12:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Hi Uni please dont do anything too drastic.)
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh
Thanks for your post. I had not been able to put my finger on exactly why I liked this site but not THS, you have summed it up beautifully.
Richtoo
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Post# 18768-6/16/2002-12:50 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: FAQ
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
You would have to add your excellent article about Frigidaires, that is too good to miss.
Richtoo
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Post# 18769-6/16/2002-13:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Wonderful dishwashers, I loved the pictures of the one Greg had. But you might have some problems getting it up and running. If she has never used it we are talking about a motor that hasn't run for fifty years!!!! It might be rusted on the inside. Besides that probably all the seals are dried out. On the other hand if you can get parts for it you will have an in some ways new vintage dishwasher. I think you should get it and see what it needs. And do I have to say that we ofcourse want some pictures......
Louis
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Post# 18770-6/16/2002-13:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already )
MESSAGE: I usually press the Previous button in the upper frame and then the Next button again, then all the post you have read are shown in the color you use for already used links. I've gotten used to it and don't mind doing this.
Louis
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Post# 18771-6/16/2002-14:32 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Thanks for all of the wonderfull feedback! Thanks for the photo's. The model of this one is close, but I think that the one that I saw is older. Much More chrome. And also, the name Westinghouse was huge, and the letters were on the left hand side, and they were also chrome letters. A wonderfull memeber here wrote to me and explained the hook up, and I don't think that it would work in my kitchen. I still want something vintage, so I will hold out.
Here is what I will do with this one...I will go back to the house and try to catch someone there, or leave a note, and let them know that I want it. They were going to put it by the road anyway I am sure. Then I will put it in my basement, take pictures, and then see who wants it here. I would love it to be running and working for someone, and not in my basement, depressed. Although it would be fun to have down there just to look at it from time to time.
Thanks for all of your support!
Brent
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Post# 18772-6/16/2002-15:13 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: My humble opinion (Nuts and bolts...)
MESSAGE: Well, as the saying goes: Everything comes with the price. So, I guess I'll have to break out my friend's socket set and get to work. Looks like the Wringer for now...
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Post# 18773-6/16/2002-15:36 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Don't hesitate!)
MESSAGE: I would get that machine on the spot if I saw it and had room, even though I already have a vintage portable. You were probably looking at a machine that could be considered a museum piece.
On an additional note. Most folks don't use a dishwasher properly. I make sure to rinse all of my dishes after use, and then let the dishwasher get out items such as coffee stains that can't be taken out by hand. Not to mention, the serilizing/polishing affects that you can get with a dishwasher that you would NEVER achieve by hand.
Get the dishwasher. You won't regret it!
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Post# 18774-6/16/2002-16:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion
MESSAGE: Chris, I suggested this very thing about 4 months after this site was begun. It fell on semi-deaf ears and a few tried to follow the suggestioon but after a while, all individuals ceased modifying the subject (using the subject drift line in the reply boxes), including me because everyone else ceased. Maybe this time we'll do this in earnest.
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Post# 18775-6/16/2002-16:20 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers
MESSAGE: At the present time, the price is $56.55, with two bidders. I have a watch on that item, and will check and see how the price goes up. Can anybody guess at how much the final selling price will be?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032168093
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Post# 18776-6/16/2002-17:46 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers (It'll Go A Lot Higher!)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom,
I have a pretty good idea of at least how high the bidding will go!
Rich
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Post# 18777-6/16/2002-17:48 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (I'll Take It!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I'd love to buy the dryer. Yes, please give him my telephone number. And then can I buy that part from you for it? Thanks for your all your efforts. Did that New Jersey guy have what you needed in decals for your washer?
Thanks again,
Rich
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Post# 18778-6/16/2002-17:53 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (Behind Door Number 1 ....)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
We have restrictions here, so the first building is only 12'X 16'. I am planning the first for the oldies, the second for the rollermatics and 1-18s, and the third for the Maytags, Kenmores, other oldies I may find along the way. And I've got all my fellow club members to thank for it. Without a club, there's no fun in collecting anything!
Rich
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Post# 18779-6/16/2002-17:56 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (Location, Location, Location)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Thanks for being on my side about the places for appliances. I get a building, gameroom and side porch full of washers & dryers. He gets a 12' X 12' garden. Sounds fair to me! Besides, someone has to be the boss.
Rich
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Post# 18780-6/16/2002-18:07 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: I am willing to bet on...
MESSAGE: Hello Rich..
So, you're gonna make yourself a new building for each different brand of washer? That would be so cool! Now then. You mentioned that you'll have a sepparate building for the Frigidaires. Can I buy one from you? (well, ok, just thought I'd ask... heh heh heh).
As for the machine on E-Bay. Let's say that it'll probably top out at over $300.00. When it gets to that point, then I'll revise my post to a higher figure, say $500.00.
WHEN people realize just how much value those machines really have, then they'll realize just how much they're worth saving. Of course, a real dream come true would be if if General Motors actually decided that they're worth making parts for!
Just to think, I remember some friends I had who decided to get a new Maytag as a replacement for their avacodo Frigidaire 1/18. Man I should have made an offer to haul the Frigidaire off for them! But I didn't have a car at the time, and couldn't. But, next time I'll know better and make some arrangements!
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Post# 18781-6/16/2002-18:35 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Already )
MESSAGE: Interesting. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work. Meanwhile I can just backspace.
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Post# 18782-6/16/2002-18:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: Well, yes and no. It's probably possible to counterbalance most of the shake out, but Harley diehards like it the way it is, I suppose. There is also the gradual realization that the lumpy nature of a harley motor actually has some advantages besides sound. Race bike engineers discovered back in the 90's that a lumpy motor gave their racers and advantage on the track. That's because the big power pulses ("big bang") enabled the riders to break traction with the rear tire easier going into turns, making steering around the turn easier with less stress on the front tire (which you never want to break traction). So smooth power delivery and less vibration isn't always the best thing. Also, a motor with a more even power profile/firing order will be "buzzier" than a big bang motor. The buzziness can cause nerve damage and fatigue in the rider faster.
IMHO Harleys used to self-destruct because their materials weren't as good as Japanese and British bikes, their gasket designs and cases weren't the best design for sealing, and of course the workmanship could be quite bad. Some Japanese motors self-destruct as well. Honda's first few tries at V4 street motors were not that successful, with cam failures in their 750's and crank failures in their 500's. They got it right for my V4 700, though. Sweet motor. Just like a GM Frigidaire!
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Post# 18783-6/16/2002-19:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it?
MESSAGE: Wait a minute Brent, what is so different about that dishwasher that the hookup would be any different than any other that you couldn't use it in your kitchen?
If it's a 27" dishwasher then I could understand how it wouldn't fit into a 24" space and that would be a problem, but that is the only thing I can think of.
As for seals, most likely the motor/pump seal is just fine as long as its not run with the pump dry. Before you turn it on make sure you pour hot water into the sump. The main seal you need to worry about is the top seal around the opening, but that can simply be replaced with a strip of self-sticking closed cell foam, like I've done to the outer tubs of washers. It would cost a total of $3.29.
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Post# 18784-6/16/2002-19:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers
MESSAGE: I would be careful of this autction since we really don't have a picture to go by.
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Post# 18785-6/16/2002-20:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion
MESSAGE: Appnut,
Even if only a few of us remember to update the subject line, it will tend to be more up-to-the-minute than if none of us do it. So we can have relevance police, offensive content police and subject heading police all patrolling the site. Should we have elections for the positions???
(Tongue-in-cheek.)
Chris.
Seriously though, if we want to keep the subject drift updated, would it be a good idea, and not a big task, for Uni to modify the code so that each post must have something in the subject drift box, or it won't let you write in the message box? If there is no change, you could just put a "-". This would remind us to update the subject.
Chris
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Post# 18786-6/16/2002-20:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: a suggestion (Clever Louis)
MESSAGE: That's very clever, Louis.
I have beeen using the site for who knows how long, I had never noticed that.
Chris.
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Post# 18787-6/16/2002-20:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (it's more fun in the club)
MESSAGE: So true.
When we moved from the city to the country, I gave my fully restored Keymatic and a sound unrestored Lightburn Twin Tub to the Salvation Army, as I felt little joy in having machines sitting around with no-one to share them with. As we now have solar power and the old machines won't work on the inverter (motors draw too big a surge when starting) I felt it was a waste to bring them with me. Now I wish I had kept them, I could post piccies! Never mind, one day...
Chris.
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Post# 18788-6/16/2002-20:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: The Sandbox.
MESSAGE: Is it possible to put a link from a post on this site to a corresponding post on the sandbox?
For example, if one person has a post mentioning Old Frigidaire washers and new FL washers on the one post, can I respond to the old washer bit on this site and include a link to my mention of the modern machines on the sandbox?
Ta.
Chris.
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Post# 18789-6/16/2002-21:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: more on spray painting
MESSAGE: I was reading a magazine article the other day, it had tips on spray can painting.
Two things I hadn't mentioned before...
1. Always start the spray stroke before the appliance and finish after it. If you point the nozzle at the appliance and press, you will get splatters from the initial burst of paint. So start spraying just next to the appliance, move your arm across to paint the appliance in one even sweep, continue past the appliance before releasing the spray nozzle. Do this with every stroke. You can get up a good rhythm reversing direction, go left>right, then right>left. But you must go out past the surface being painted before changing direction.
2. NEVER change direction during a stroke. If you reverse direction or move from sideways to vertical you will get sags/drips.
Good Luck,
Chris.
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Post# 18790-6/16/2002-21:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox.
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, I think thats more work that necessary for everyone. You should just answer both items right here, only need to move it to the sandbox when it goes way off base without the probability that it will come back.
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Post# 18791-6/16/2002-22:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: I always thought of Suzuki's 1 cylinder thumper as a GM Frigidaire engine. Almost sound like one.
Also, even if you counterbalance the crankshaft on a Harley, you'll still get that "potato-potato" sound because of the timing. Hondas are timed differently and they have evenly spaced pops.
Anyway, cycles are all cool. I think of them the same as I think about roller coasters and washers. There are many different types but they're ALL cool. They're all fun to watch and play with.
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Post# 18792-6/16/2002-22:16 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Robert - Different Plumbing - Question about Maytag Vintage Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Hey,
From what I understand this machine does not have a pump for the drain? I have been told that it is a gravity drain? I don't think that I want to do that to my kitchen. ( I could just rig it so that it just drains into the basement into a bucket. NOT! :) I did however go to the house today. No one was there, but I did leave a note with 2 of my numbers. I will make a very hard attempt to get this machine. I would love for someone to use it.
Also, my roomate is a chef, and guess what, I am the maid! So I need somthing that will be vintage, but I won't screw up.
I have always liked the older Maytag dishwashers. I had one from the 70's that had the push button selections on front. It cleaned so well. One of the big things that I loved about this machine was that the plates went on the top, and glasses and such went on the bottom. That does not sound like a big deal, but it was to me. I found that you could put so much on the top, with so much clearence for big items such as pot's and the like.
Okay now my question about Maytag...Do you or anyone else know up to what year they had this design? (from what year to what year?) I used a newer Maytag at a friends house, and it was not very good. Actually very noisy.
Thanks for the information.
Brent
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Post# 18793-6/16/2002-22:51 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: Actually, I think Honda has some V-twins that sound very much like Harleys. Harley-Davidson attempted to sue, claiming they had patented the sound, but I don't recall that anything came of it. Then again, I haven't followed bike stuff too much for the past eight years, ever since I got Bubbles.
I have heard that in some crowds it can be downright dangerous to ride a Harley imitation into a lot full of, let's say, hard core Harley riders. On the other hand, Sonny Barger, defacto king of the motorcycle gang world, says one of the bikes he admires the most is the Honda ST1100. That's an 1100 cc V4. He actually doesn't think Harley makes such a great bike.
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Post# 18794-6/16/2002-22:52 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (I think I've got what you are looking for)
MESSAGE: Anthony, according to a GE manual with regards to deciphering serial numbers; it states: The 1st letter denotes the month of manufacture, so in your example 's' is "september", the 2nd letter is the year. Now this repeats every 12 years. "A" was used in 1953, 1965, 1977, 1989 and so on. Hope this helps with picking the year!....Leslie
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Post# 18795-6/16/2002-22:56 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Robert - Different Plumbing - Question about Maytag Vintage Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Brent, I believe that "style" of Maytag dishwashers were produced from the late 60's to 1992. Around the middle 70's the pump was changed to a belt-driven setup....very unique.
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Post# 18796-6/16/2002-23:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Frigidaire on E-Bay is finding buyers (Caveat Emptor!)
MESSAGE: Yes, my feelings exactly. I have emailed back and forth with the seller since only a few hours after the auction started and have gotten very little information back. He is in Wisconsin and the washer is in Ann Arbor, MI. The picture he posted is NOT the washer he is selling and he knows little about it other than what he took from the model tag. I'm still waiting for the serial number as he is having relatives check on that for me.
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Post# 18797-6/16/2002-23:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Maytag Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I too, loved the plates on top design of the older style Maytag dishwashers. Being from the "Maytag Heartland" I grew up with Maytag washers everywhere. My aunt bought a Maytag TOL dishwasher with the rapid-advance timer and button controls like you described. She was always thrilled with that machine and bought a second one when they retired from farming and built a new house in town. She replaced the early 80's machine with a new style Maytag a few years back. We had a portable bought in '81 when Maytag changed to the black control panels with white buttons and it too, was a great machine. I would love to find one of the orginal rapid-advance machines too.
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Post# 18798-6/17/2002-03:12 ||| Jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Inatall )
MESSAGE: Hi Brent
Is This The Dishwasher You are talking about? If so GO GET IT!!
One of the Great things about the old Westinghouse Dishwashers is that they DID have a pump. this was one of there selling points that there dishwashers had a 50% lower install pricer than other manufactures. as for cleaning mine does a fine job.
Mine also was never used when i got it and when i tested it for leaks was water tight. one thing i also found out, while not as quiet as modern dishwashers the early Westinghouse dishwasher is alot quieter than any of my other models. Is it Worth it? YES It is worth it if only to save it from the crusher. hope this helps
John
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jakins2001/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.src=ph&.dnm=Westinghouse+install.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/jakins2001/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhoto%2bAlbum%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18799-6/17/2002-03:19 ||| Jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Inatall )
MESSAGE: Brent
I almost forgot..
" YOU CAN BE SURE IF IT'S WESTINGHOUSE "
JOHN
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Post# 18800-6/17/2002-08:27 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
Is it possible the brake was even stronger on commercial versions? Although it was over twenty years ago, I clearly remember that the spinning tub stopped almost instantly, nothing like four seconds. I couldn't even see any spinning tub, when I lifted the lid there was a really loud clang, by the time the lid was open, the tub was stopped. You didn't see any tub spinning at all. The most you saw was the tub shake a bit as it settled from the sudden stop. I would have been about fifteen or so at the time, and was amazed it could stop so suddenly from a full spin without breaking anything. I lifted the lid several times allowing it to get up to speed each time, it stopped dead each time. As I have such a strong recollection of it even now it must have impressed me!
Chris.
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Post# 18801-6/17/2002-08:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (brakes on (gulp!) modern washers)
MESSAGE: It's very interesting to me that Norge modified their stopping procedure, allowing it to drift to a stop if the lid is left down. That same change occurred in the cheap Japanese machines thtat flooded the Australian market in the eighties. Initially they had a brake band that gripped the cast aluminium transmission housing. They all used the brake every time they stopped spinning. They suffered wear of the alloy housing over time. The Australian engineered copies of this style of machine (by Hoover and Simpson) both suffered badly from this. Hitachi was the first Jap machine I'm aware of that changed to only using the brake when the lid was opened. The Hoovers and Simpsons eventually followed. As the brake on these machines is released when the solenoid is energized, the only way to allow the machine to drift to a stop is to have the timer allocate a period after each spin where the motor is off but the brake solenoid is still activated. (in effect it is a brake release solenoid)
If their engineers had studied a few old Norges they may have got it right first time.
Chris.
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Post# 18802-6/17/2002-08:50 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (huh?)
MESSAGE: hey,Mike.....who/where in Albany are they selling refurbished GM Frigidaires??? I sure would like to check it out!!!!Steved
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Post# 18803-6/17/2002-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Robert - Different Plumbing - Question about Maytag Vintage Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I thought only the KitchenAid KD-10 had a gravity drain. I think that Westy DW does has a drain pump.
We had one those Maytag Dishwashers when I was a kid, in Harvest Gold of Course.
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Post# 18804-6/17/2002-08:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (1965 Model?)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie, nice to hear from you. That would mean that Anthony's GE would have to be a '65 model, because the round dial markings were long gone by '77. Does it seem that old Anthony? That would be a pretty cool machine then.
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Post# 18805-6/17/2002-09:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Inatall )
MESSAGE: Hey John, nice to see you around here too! Your westy dw looks beautiful installed and all happy! Any new dishwashers added to your collection?
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Post# 18806-6/17/2002-09:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: CU rated them at 4 seconds, but I seem to remember them being faster too. I don't think Norge would have gone to the trouble of changing the pressure of the brake band for the Coin-op models.
My recollection is about 1 to 2 seconds. I can't see it was instant, but it sure was quick. My Maytag AMP is also quick, but more like 3 to 4 seconds.
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Post# 18807-6/17/2002-10:00 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Beautifull Dishwasher John! Not it though.)
MESSAGE: This one had more beef to it. (if you can call it that) More chrome. Also WESTINGHOUSE was on the left side in big, almost silly sized chrome letters that appeared to stand out from the machine like 3 demension. The timer was to the right. If my memory serves me right, it was round and bakelite?
Thanks for the link to your pictures.
Very nice
Brent
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Post# 18808-6/17/2002-10:17 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: My local 'Vintage' Launderette
MESSAGE: Hey guys,
I couldn't think of anything to do yesterday, so I went down to my local launderette to do some washing. The special thing about this launderette is that the equipment is at least 30 years old. And there is no stainless steel - all avocado green and that classic 'laundromat' yellow. This particular launderette contains 4 6kg Schulthess washer extractors, 4 13kg Duplex washer extractors and two Primus L16 7kg washer extractors. The dryers were 30 year old Primus rebadged Speed Queen 30 pounders.
On this particular trip I used 2 Schulthess washers, and 1 Duplex washer. It was the first time I had used the Schulthess washer before, so I was intrigued in to how it operated. I must admit that the Schulthesses were the quietest commercial front loaders I have ever used. The only annoying thing about them, though, was that you had to wait 30 seconds for the machine to start the prewash fill before you add the detergent, otherwise it dumps straight into the drum onto the laundry, causing marks. I liked the way the timer progressed throughout the cycle, clicking every 2 seconds, one high pitch, one lower pitch. The prewash cycle lasted for a longer time than usual for a commercial machine - round about 5 mins. The water then drained, then the drum refilled again for the mainwash cycle. This was long, about 8 mins, and the action was very quiet, all you could hear was the sloshing of the water and the dropping of the laundry. Then the water drained and the drum refilled again for the rinse. I was surprised at how deep the water got, as the water in the wash cycles came to just below the door. However, during the rinsing cycle, the water came to about halfway up the door. The first rinse sudsed up well, and then the machine spun for about half a minute and then continued onto the next rinse, filling up halfway, tumbling for 2 minutes and then draining and spinning again. On the final rinse, the tumbling lasted for about 2 minutes again, but then when the water had drained to the door, the machine began to spun and spun the water through the clothes, maybe to distribute conditioner better? You could see a vortex of water being sucked back into the spinning drum during the first part of the spin cycle. The water then drained completely, and then the machine sped up to the higher speed of the spin cycle for about 3 minutes. The drum then took about a minute to wind down, and the machine carried on clicking for 30 seconds more before the red light went out and the door could be opened. The spin cycle on these beauties was extremely quiet, you heard the drum speed up with the traditional commercial whir and then the drain gurgling and then the machine was practically silent during the spin cycle. These machines also rinsed well too; the first rinse had a layer of suds on top of the water, the second rinse had just a trace and the third rinse water was totally clear.
The Duplex I used had a more 'basic', commercial approach to it. The drum turned constantly during the cycle clockwise, not stopping during the wash. You had to add detergent once the machine had filled when the light came on until the suds reached the 'suds level' mark on the door. The machine then washed for about 8 minutes (no prewash), then spun the laundry then slowed down again for the rinse. The rinse cycle consisted of a first deep rinse, then the water drained and then water was flushed through the clothes straight down the drain, sort of a 'flush-thru' rinse, then there was another spin cycle and then came the final rinse. This level only went up to the bottom of the door. The machine then did the final spin until it slowed down at the end and stopped. The Duplex washers didn't click continually throughout the cycle like the Schulthess, but instead had a very loud click between each cycle, e.g. there was a click at first to start the fill, a click to stop the fill and continue with the wash cycle, a click to drain the water, a click to start spinning etc. The sleeping bag I washed in the Duplex came out all twisted, probably due to the lack of a reverse action. The Duplex's soap dispenser looked straight down into the tub, you could see the tub revolving straight through from the dispenser on the top.
I have not used the Primus washers yet, however I'll probably try one next time. The Primus dryers were extremelty efficient, I could get a 12kg load (2 x 6kg from the two Schulthess washers) dry in about 20 minutes (3 x 20p) on the medium temperature.
Louis, do you know a lot about Schulthess washers? Kirk, if this launderette sounds 'enticing' to you, it is the one opposite the NK sports centre in North Hykeham on Moor Lane.
See y'all
Jon
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Post# 18809-6/17/2002-12:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Schulthess)
MESSAGE: I don't know that much about Schulthess. They are a Swiss brand and part of the Bosch Siemens group (BSH). They have a website, I added the link. Although Siemens sells them in the Netherlands and there is a dutch website I have never actually seen one.
Louis
LINK: http://www.schulthess.ch/
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Post# 18810-6/17/2002-12:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Photos of Bubbles (wit' yo' bad self)
MESSAGE: HI Jason,
I have replied in the sandbox,
Cheers
Richtoo
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Post# 18811-6/17/2002-12:50 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Schulthess)
MESSAGE: Sculthess are sold as a commercial brand here. I've seen quite a few of their washers in campsites too
Jon
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Post# 18812-6/17/2002-12:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Salavation of a Norge (Norge Brakes)
MESSAGE: I had a Montgomery Ward, Norge built washer in the latter part of the 80's and the tub brake was only activated when the lid was lifted during spin. I took the front of the washer off to inspect it (as I did with every washer) and there was a solenoid activated brake system. There was a metal band around what was probably a spring hub at the bottom of the cabinet with a bar that stuck out from that which was caught by the solenoid stop bar. When the lid switch circuit was energized, the solenoid pulled the stop bar back, allowing the spin shaft to turn. When the lid was open, breaking the circuit, the bar would be pulled by a small spring back into the path of the spinning band. It was much faster than 4 seconds as the tub could only move less than one complete revolution when the solenoid was de-energized. The last increment of the timer after spin had stopped, de-energized the solenoid and you would hear the stop bar snap back into place holding the tub. CR used to mention the "loud clang" on the Norge & MW machines when they stopped, I always wondered what that was until I got the machine and saw for myself.
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Post# 18813-6/17/2002-12:55 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: Top Loaders
MESSAGE: Hey all
Don't call me stupid, but how does a toploader actually work? I know that it agitates the wash, and spins the drum for the spin, but how does the motor work? Also, does anyone have pics of an open toploader (i.e. with the side panels off)?
Does the drum turn when it agitates?
Jon
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Post# 18814-6/17/2002-13:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Vintage Euro Machine Source?
MESSAGE: Did you guys on the other side of the pond see this ad in our classified section for the person in Italy with vintage washers? Could be worth checking out...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/CLASSIFIEDS/Forsale.htm
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Post# 18815-6/17/2002-13:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Euro Machine Source?
MESSAGE: Greg,
It's from one of our clubmembers called Candymatic. I instantly wrote to him ofcourse, although it might be quite a problem to get a vintage washer from Italy to the Netherlands. Thank you for pointing out this ad.
Louis
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Post# 18816-6/17/2002-13:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loaders (Drawings)
MESSAGE: Hi Jon,
I posted a few links to my album, I got them from a website that describes excellent how toploaders work. Unfortunately I can't find that site back, perhaps one of the other members?
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.src=ph&.dnm=Drawing-1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bwashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18817-6/17/2002-13:57 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loaders (Drawings)
MESSAGE: Hey, thanks Louis. That's solved it a bit.
Jon
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Post# 18818-6/17/2002-15:31 ||| Zheli609 (us)
SUBJECT: box dryer
MESSAGE: Is it possible to buy a box dryer in US?
I don't like tradition rotation dryer because it is noise.
Thank you
zhe li609
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Post# 18819-6/17/2002-15:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (I think I've got what you are looking for)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Leslie that does help. I guess that would mean then that since my serial; number started with "SA"... that it was manufactured in September 1977. I would have thought that it was older than that, only because I believed GE got away from the large round dial controls before that. BUT, if it was manufactured in the late 1970's that would explain the white straight vane agitator, wouldn't it?? Too bad, I was hoping for the turquoise 8 vane...............
Can't complain too much though. It needs only a little work and it uses a mini-basket. What more can I ask?????????
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Post# 18820-6/17/2002-16:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (1965 Model?)
MESSAGE: Well Robert, I can't really tell. I just wrote Leslie that it would seem like it was then a 1977. But I am trying to remember any unusual features that would identify it as a 1965. For example, the plastic guard around the top of the inner tub is the plain white. If it were 1965, wouldn't it have the "zig-zag" looking guard? What about a console light? Mine doesn't have one. The one strange thing I do remember is that the tub has scattered perforations, not like the later ones. I remember them at the top, middle and bottom, but not all over the tub. What does that tell us??
Now that I think of it, Rich (Sudsmaster) has a late 1970's GE washer. Perhaps he can shed some light on this...
I will be bringing it home later this week so I will try to get some more specific information. Thansk for all your help.....
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Post# 18821-6/17/2002-16:53 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (detective work!)
MESSAGE: O.K. Anthony......here is what you've got to do. Examine the drain hose.....if it's a '77 it probably is white corrugated plastic with an aluminum elbow. If it's a '65 then it would have a black rubber hose. The clothes guard on the '65 would be the zig-zag vinyl coated wire. The '77 most likely would be white plastic. Check out the lid hinges....are they stainless steel wireform? If so; it's a '65. Just black plastic blocks that lid pivots on.....then it's a '77. Do the sides of the cabinet have what is known as "plaques"....vertical ribs? They stiffen the reduced guage steel used in the later machines. If not, then it's likely a 60's unit. Have fun!
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Post# 18822-6/17/2002-16:56 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette
MESSAGE: Hullo Surge,
Sounds like fun! Especially the way one guages how much detergent to use on the Duplex - never heard of that method before, but it certainly sounds interesting. Commercial machines really can be fascinating at times.
I know the launderette you're referring to, as I used to go swimming at the NK sports centre a few years ago, when I was still living with my folks. Haven't had the opportunity to use it, though, as it's a bit out of my way. Normally, if I use a launderette to catch up with holiday washing or suchlike, it's the one on Burton Road.
Must say I like the idea of visiting the launderette for something to do on a Sunday. Perhaps I should remember that next time I'm stuck for something to do!
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Post# 18823-6/17/2002-16:59 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Schulthess)
MESSAGE: Hiya Louis,
Funny you should say that, as I was just about to ask you if there was any relation to BSH. They do look very similar to the pre-Maxx Bosch machines, in terms of the control panel shape.
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Post# 18824-6/17/2002-17:08 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette
MESSAGE: Do your parents live in Hykeham? Try this launderette out next time, it's, if I may say, somewhat 'cool'!
Jon
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Post# 18825-6/17/2002-17:10 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Top Loaders (Drawings)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
I've added a link which you may find useful. It shows an old GE top loader in various stages of disassembly, with an explanation about how each part works.
While you're there, take a look around the rest of the site. Some of the content is quite fascinating, and it ranks up there as one of my favourite websites.
LINK: http://www.howstuffworks.com/washer.htm
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Post# 18826-6/17/2002-17:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
My folks only live about 15 minutes from Hykeham, so perhaps I may take a holdall full of laundry next time I go to visit. The only commercial washers I've used so far have been Maytags, Speed Queens and Ipsos, so it would be nice to try something different.
Just thought to myself, they must be extremely well made washers at that launderette. 30 years of use by the public would be enough of a test for any machine, I reckon.
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Post# 18827-6/17/2002-18:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: box dryer
MESSAGE: Hello and welcome - can you explain what a "box" dryer is? I've never heard this term before...
Greg
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Post# 18828-6/17/2002-18:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: box dryer
MESSAGE: Hi,
I'm guessing a box dryer is like a friend of mine used to have,; a ventilated metal cabinet with opening top, somewhat smaller than a tumble dryer, containing rods over which one hung laundry. At the bottom of this was an electric element that heated the cabinet to dry the laundry. Effective, but would tend to bake creases in rather than tumble them out.
Richtoo
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Post# 18829-6/17/2002-18:26 ||| zheli609 (us)
SUBJECT: RE: box dryer (may be it is called "
cabinet dryer"
)
MESSAGE: I think the name may be cabinet dryer. The cloth is handed in the cabinet and no rotation parts.
zhe li609
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Post# 18830-6/17/2002-18:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Identifying the Old GE (1965 Model?)
MESSAGE: Anthony, if its a white plastic clothes guard around the top of the tub that it's definately not a '65 model. Looks like you have a 1977 model, very cool.
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Post# 18831-6/17/2002-19:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Farm WO-65 Up Close and Part Needed for 59 Dryer
MESSAGE: I was home early from work today so I tore down the WO-65 I brought back from the farm to get the mechanism and a few parts from. The whole process took me about and hour (Robert, that tub nut went on the third hit of the wrench, like slicing buttah!) and I took a few pics of the inside of the washer so everyone can see what the Frigidaire tubs look like from the farm.
After the washer was ravaged and done, I started taking apart the 1959 Filtrator dryer. I have most everything I will need for this restore job except a dial face for the control panel. The one that is on it is ruined from the sun and weather. I would be forever grateful of anyone has one of these they would like to sell or trade, thanks in advance guys!
I included a couple of pictures of the dryer restore work and will keep posting as I go along. Since I cut my teeth on the 1952 TR-60, hopefully this job will go quickly.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=WO-65+Tub+-+Destroyed!.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18832-6/17/2002-19:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge
MESSAGE: --Organ Music-- da da da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Now we continue with our continuing story of a restoration of a 1956 Norge...
As we look in today on Norge (The new section starts at picture 14)
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RESTORATIONS/Norge/1956%20Norge%20Time%20Line.htm
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Post# 18833-6/17/2002-19:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Farm WO-65 Up Close and Part Needed for 59 Dryer
MESSAGE: Greg I thought I had an extra one of those '59 Imperial dryer dials somewhere.
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Post# 18834-6/17/2002-20:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge (Interesting...)
MESSAGE: Just fascinating - I love how all the major brands were such very different designs, all built to accomplish the same task. The most amusing of all the manufacturers designs is the attempts at sand/sediment disposal, was there even one design that actually worked?
The brake band is floating, does the band have a lining on the inside?
After all that oil and other washer grunge, it's a big thrill to take brand new parts out of their boxes.
Thanks for the pics, always interesting - Greg
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Post# 18835-6/17/2002-20:29 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge (Norge!)
MESSAGE: Robert - The Norge is realy comming out great
Best Of Luck with it
Peter
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Post# 18836-6/17/2002-20:38 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Farm WO-65 Up Close and Part Needed for 59 Dryer (Ozone Bulb)
MESSAGE: Greg,
What do you use to replace a burned out ozone bulb? I hunted and hunted but never found any anywhere. It would be amazing if the bulb in your dryer still worked.
Rich
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Post# 18837-6/17/2002-20:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge (YES!!!)
MESSAGE: WOW! Of course you know I want to see videos of the machine in action when it's restored!
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Post# 18838-6/17/2002-20:50 ||| zheli609 (us)
SUBJECT: RE: box dryer (you are right)
MESSAGE: Hi, Richtoo:
You are right. It is the dry I am looking for. Can you explain why it is "Effective, but would tend to bake creases in rather than tumble them out."?
zhe li
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Post# 18839-6/17/2002-20:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge (Interesting...)
MESSAGE: "The brake band is floating, does the band have a lining on the inside?"
Yup, the brake lining itself is underneath that brake band.
Actually in defense of the Norge's sediment tube, now that its cleaned out and restored, I definately notice less sediment on the side of the tub when the wash load is completed that before when it was completely clogged.
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Post# 18840-6/17/2002-20:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Farm WO-65 Up Close and Part Needed for 59 Dryer (Sun-E-Day Lamps)
MESSAGE: I've had 4 machines so far with ozone bulb and three of them worked fine. The fourth, in the 52 Filtrator was missing. If you go out to the S.D. farm, pull some sockets from 50's Kenmore and Whirlpool dryers for extras. You could use a regular bulb, but then your clothes wouldn't be sanitized and have that Sun-E-Day freshness!
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Post# 18841-6/17/2002-20:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Farm WO-65 Up Close and Part Needed for 59 Dryer (Ozone Bulb)
MESSAGE: Rich ozone bulbs rarely burn out, they can and I have seen a few that did, but its rare. You should be able to find a working one in one of your vintage dryers. There were hundreds of them on the farm. Of course since they are an environmental hazard (mecury) you cant find them anywhere anymore.
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Post# 18842-6/17/2002-20:58 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: Who wants the 65 Rollermatic set?
MESSAGE: I need some room for other things so it's time to let go of the 65 Rollermatic Set. Both work perfectly, washer does need a pump. It's not a problem if you have a floor drain. If you want picts please e-mail me. surgilator_68@yahoo.com
$550 for the set.
Jason
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Post# 18843-6/17/2002-20:59 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Has Applianceville Drifted Away??? (Albany store)
MESSAGE: Hey Steve, Long time no see! There is a place I think on Central Ave in Albany called Cromwells. I went there and I couldnt believe what he had. He also has a warehouse full of Frigidaire GM appliances..so he says. Many of the things I saw there were vintage like Whirlpools and Speed Queens and that is just to name a few. I am going to be in Albany over the July 4th weekend so maybe we can meet and I can show ya. Just a thought.
Mike
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Post# 18844-6/17/2002-21:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: box dryer (you are right)
MESSAGE: I don't know of any products like this in the U.S. now. I do know there were such things here many years ago though. I was in a very old apartment building years ago and they had a huge 12'x12' box with pull out doors and rods inside. It was a gas fired monster that must have made the laundry room like an oven in the summer. In the center of the room were six sets of double set tubs (one for each apartment) and along one wall were closet sized "lockers" to roll your wringer washer into and store supplies. One of the coolest laundry rooms I've ever seen.
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Post# 18845-6/17/2002-21:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Who wants the 65 Rollermatic set?
MESSAGE: Do you have layaway? 10% down and $5 a week? How about trade-ins?
They are beautiful and the pump should be an easy repair.
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Post# 18846-6/17/2002-21:10 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Maytag Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I had a Maytag Dishwasher..I want to say a WC302 model. A near Bottom of the line convertable that had the reverse load racks. It cleaned very well but I found that the cut out in the lower rack took up way too much room for the Jet Nozzle and you have to be careful what you put near it like tall items and Pitchers in the top rack do not wash well. The top rack did hold alot but try to put a broiler pan on the sides and it doesnt clear the wash arm on top. Thats also true for cookie sheets. The belt drive toward the end of this dishwasher's life was strumming and my whole floor would vibrate. Sad to say I spent 700 bucks on this back in 1984 and it only lasted 3 years .
My Maytag dishwasher I have now the MDB 7100 is very quiet and it holds alot of dishes and pots and pans. I am curious as to what that new 3 rack Maytag will look like. Not that 3 racks are unusual...have to look no further than Miele.
Mike
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Post# 18847-6/17/2002-21:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge
MESSAGE: Robert - it just keeps getting more exciting. Can't wait for the finished product. I know it will be spectacular and worth the wait!! As always you are doing a fantastic job with this and remember you are preserving an important piece of history. I would doubt that there are any other Norges from the 1950's left anywhere. Too bad though, because I am sure many salvageable machines were discarded..............
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Post# 18848-6/17/2002-21:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Jon around 1980 when I was in high school and first got my drivers license I used to keep a garbage bag full of old clothes that I had grown out of for the sole purpose of going around to all the fun laundromats that I could find. There was one in a relatively bad neighborhood in Miami that still had their Frigidaire Super-Duty coin-op washers in sunny yellow from the mid-60's with square window lids. These were the last of the 1010 rpm spinning coin-op machines and I just loved this place. There was never an attendant there and it was never too busy with customers, sometimes I had the place to myself. I used a penny to hold down the lid switch and for 35 cents I could wash load after load. It was so much fun, I must have gone there a hundred times in that year. Then one day right before I left for college I decided I needed a souvenir of this laundromat so I decided I was going to be naughty, real naughty! So I took a screw driver and popped out a glass window from one of the Frigidaire lids and quickly tip-toed out of the place, my heart racing. I saved this window and carried with me to college an hid it away safely for years.
Turns out sixteen years later I find one of these exact washers in Turquoise out on the farm in Aberdeen. Well wouldn't you know it that the sun had baked away the original instructions that were printed on the window lid, good thing I had a spare!
Anyway, the moral of this story I guess is maybe washer crime pays, LOL.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Frigidaire+Coin+Op+Washer+1966.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18849-6/17/2002-21:19 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge (Interesting...)
MESSAGE: Just thinking of other old soap opera titles that we could have some fun with. How about:
- The Secret Norge
- All My Norges (hopefully that will mean that another will turn up)
- Another Norge (same note as above)
- The Norge of Night
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Post# 18850-6/17/2002-21:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: As the Norge Turns--Search for Norge--Love of Norge--The Guiding Norge (Interesting...)
MESSAGE: Then we mustn't forget
- General Norge
- Valiant Norge
- A Brighter Norge
- Against the Norge
- Ma Norges
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Post# 18851-6/17/2002-21:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Launderette!)
MESSAGE: I used to work in a laundry / dry cleaners that had these same exact Frigidairs. Amazing how in 18 minutes you could get a cleaner wash than what you can get out of a washer today that washes for 45 minutes.
Jetaction
Peter
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Post# 18852-6/17/2002-22:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 50's Westinghouse Dishwasher - is it worth it? (Maytag Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Mikey, I saw a small promotional pic of the new 3-rack Maytag about 3 months ago. The top two racks look like what we're familiar with. The bottom rack was a very shallow one deep enough for pans a few inches tall, laying flat.
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Post# 18853-6/17/2002-22:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who wants the 65 Rollermatic set?
MESSAGE: Oooh, I wish I had a fairy godmother & a mechanic in residence. That's one of my 60s dream machine sets.
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Post# 18854-6/17/2002-22:45 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (I laughed my head off! I stole Maytag "
computer tickets"
when I was about 9.)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for your stories. You make me feel so normal!
I grew up across the street from a Laundry Mat. I would, and many of my child hood friends would hang out there. It was a Maytag Laundry center that used the "computer" tickets during the 70's. Remember those? Well one day the service guy came there to fix a machine that "someone broke". (I just took the fuse out of the power fuse box) And while he was finding out what was wrong, I STOLE about 1,000 of those computer tickets out of his bag! Now mind you I was about 9 or 10, and this was a big plan that I did all alone. I was so scared. I ran home. After it all calmed down, I was the hot shot on the block. Even Mom's were nice to me. I never made any money off of them, but if I liked you, well you know the rest. Sometimes I would run all of the washers at once just to see how close the timers were together for cycle changes. My heart would always drop when someone would pull up with laundry. I would sweat and pray that they don't open a lid. I also found out that if you used needle nose plyers and held the tickets while putting it in, it would trick the sensor and you could pull it out and save the ticket. What used to happen was a bulb or somthing in there would melt the ends, then when someone else came along with real laundry, and a ticket they paid for, it would kick the old one in a catch in there. I hope you all know what tickets I am talking about.
Gee, I wonder why that place closed?
Also thanks for your fantastic pictures of your Norge!
Can't wait to see the videos!
Cheers!
Brent
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Post# 18855-6/17/2002-00:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Who wants the 65 Rollermatic set?
MESSAGE: I'm very interested. Would like to see the pics
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Post# 18856-6/17/2002-00:59 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Although I admire your passion for your collecting, what you did was theft.
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Post# 18857-6/18/2002-02:36 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: box dryer (you are right)
MESSAGE: Hi Zhe,
These dryers do have the benefit of being silent in operation, but do have several drawbacks. The cabinet dryer keeps the laundry in exactly the same form as you put it in, ie with creases from the washer spin unless you shake these out first. It also has a tiny capacity, maybe 1 sheet or 6 or 7 tshirts. Another problem could be caused by the water evaporating as there is no way to duct this out of the house.
I doubt that they are still available, the one my froend had dated from the late 40s / early 50s and was a forerunner to tumble dryers that we did not get til much later than US.
Richtoo
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Post# 18858-6/18/2002-06:33 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: '55 Frigidaire Filtrator Just Found in Cleveland (I Can Call Him)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I worked last night and Bob may have tried to call me. With my ever changing schedule, he may have trouble reaching me. I'd be glad to call him. If you can email me his phone number, I can call him tonight. I'd like to get it out of his way ASAP. Thanks again.
Rich
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Post# 18859-6/18/2002-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Oh of course it was theft Rich, and I'm certainly not saying it was right. But considering the things that many teenagers do, I think the world got off pretty easy with my one teenage antic.
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Post# 18860-6/18/2002-07:38 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: OK, well here's my opinion: Theft is theft, whether it's as a teenager or adult. Whether it's a lid from laundromat or manuals from an estate sale. It's not a cute antic to be admired or emulated. In any case of theft, someone is unwillingly hurt by the act. I can only imagine the anger or the laundromat owner when he found the lid missing. This was in a run-down neighborhood, so he probably had a very thin profit margin. Who knows? Maybe it meant his kids didn't get a dinner one night. Or school supplies. Someone is always hurt, and while the thief may rationalize it, and probably usually does, you're correct, it isn't right. It's wrong, and it also sets a horrible example for FVACOA (Future Vintage Appliance Collectors of America).
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Post# 18861-6/18/2002-08:05 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Old German Proverb
MESSAGE: Every Bird Loves to Hear himself Sing.
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Post# 18862-6/18/2002-08:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: So we are to assume from your sermon that you have never done anything wrong? If we are going to set moral standards for our members, then let's make sure the ones pointing fingers are truly without transgression themselves.
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Post# 18863-6/18/2002-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: OK Rich, give me a few minutes and I will reply to you in the sandbox.
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Post# 18864-6/18/2002-10:16 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Hey Uni,
In my Vintage Launderette, they have signs saying 'You are being watched on CCTV', but the humorous thing is some pratt has hung those big granny-style knickers over both of them! Is it true that in the US of A they have those huge 'laundromats'? Launderettes here have about 5 - 10 washers along one wall and around 4 - 8 dryers along the opposite. They're not much bigger than a corner shop.
Kirk, the Primus washers are the same ones they used to have in EastEnders, the yellow ones they had before they remodeled with the stainless steel Primus washers. I live in North Hykeham in the estate between Lincoln Road and Newark Road.
Jon
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Post# 18865-6/18/2002-10:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (big 'uns)
MESSAGE: Spin Cycle, a laundromat chain, is opening a new store in the Atlanta area that is about 4000 square feet with 60+ washers (all front load SQ) and dryers to match (1:1 ratio).
Primus washer as sold as Maytag Commercial machines here Stateside.
-ph
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Post# 18866-6/18/2002-11:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Driest Spin in Town)
MESSAGE: Laundromats in the US are generally large, check out a 1959 Laundromat, and you can't even see the dryers!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Driest+Spin+In+Town!.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18867-6/18/2002-11:25 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Whether or not I have ever done anything wrong is besides the point. I don't brag about such things in public and I don't try to rationalize them by saying I could have done worse. If anything, I'd say that I would have gotten off easy by not getting caught and punished.
As far as setting moral standards for club members, I think that if this club has a charter, it should include the following:
"Anyone caught or admitting to stealing a vintage appliance or part will be asked to leave the club."
And as far as having to be blameless to suggest such a thing, well, I have never stolen a vintage appliance part. And like I said, nobody is perfect but that doesn't prevent us from setting standards of good behavior.
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Post# 18868-6/18/2002-11:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Whether or not I have ever done anything wrong is besides the point.
Of course it's not... Dear.
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Post# 18869-6/18/2002-11:50 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: So what are you saying, Uni? That you are above criticism because:
1) Only someone who has never done anything wrong can criticize your behavior, and,
2) Nobody on earth has never done anything wrong, thus,
3) Nobody can criticize Uni.
Pretty slick.
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Post# 18870-6/18/2002-11:56 ||| zheli609 (us)
SUBJECT: RE: box dryer (you are right)
MESSAGE: Hi, Richtoo:
Thank you for your information.
It is no doubt that cabinet dryers have several drawbacks. I think you should shake laundry first(but tumber dryer also can't totally tumber creases out and you will feel bad if you use high temperature.) As for tiny space I can't image it only can afford 1 sheet or 7 tshirts. Do you think it is necessary to put laundry in wide space to dry them quickly? If not it is possible to put a lot laundry in cabnet. Someone said cabnet dryer had fan to suck moisture to outside and I think there is no difference with the tumber dryer.
zhe li
Hi Zhe,
These dryers do have the benefit of being silent in operation, but do have several drawbacks. The cabinet dryer keeps the laundry in exactly the same form as you put it in, ie with creases from the washer spin unless you shake these out first. It also has a tiny capacity, maybe 1 sheet or 6 or 7 tshirts. Another problem could be caused by the water evaporating as there is no way to duct this out of the house.
I doubt that they are still available, the one my froend had dated from the late 40s / early 50s and was a forerunner to tumble dryers that we did not get til much later than US.
Richtoo
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Post# 18871-6/18/2002-12:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Driest Spin in Town)
MESSAGE: The laundromat my mom worked for was a smaller one. Not an "ette" but close. They about about 15 Kenmores (1973's I think), about 15 Heubsch dryers and 2 Milnor FLs. That's where I got hooked on FLs as a kid.
The place and the Milnor is still there. One day I'm going to get the guts up and wash there.
I remember going to the mat down the street with a giant king size comforter. I loaded it into the big FL and put the money in. I sat there and watched. The lady that worked there said "you don't have to watch it". "Uhh, but I want to watch it." And she looked at me like I was crazy.
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Post# 18872-6/18/2002-12:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (ok now)
MESSAGE: Let's not start another flame war.
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Post# 18873-6/18/2002-12:55 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Easy POD w/Spirolator Action
MESSAGE: Wonderful picture of the Easy automatic. I really like the looks of it and the add. The agitator or spirolator reminds me of the Kenmore Roto-swirl type. I bet that "spirolator action" got the clothes moving around in that tub real good!!!
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Post# 18874-6/18/2002-13:25 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (ok now)
MESSAGE: Yeah, you're right. Any further comments by me on this subject will be in the sandbox or email.
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Post# 18875-6/18/2002-13:26 ||| Erkjoey (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: I find you, and your posts, not only offensive, but ignorant. We come here as a group, to enjoy, all aspects, of our common interest, that being ClassicAppliances. And not only have you not shown Robert respect, for his hard work, on this site, but you've shown us your own level of hypocrisy, by not following the guidelines of the posts, I. E "Please remember to treat others as you would expect to be treated yourself," at the same time, trying to force feed us, your ethics, on right or wrong. Which by the way, I'm sure that as adults, none of us, would do the things we did twenty plus years ago. I think there has been enough back and forth banter, and its time to resume our interests, and get back to the things that brought us together, as a group.
ClassicAppliances.
Erik
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Post# 18876-6/18/2002-13:50 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Hi Surge,
The Maytag launderette on Burton Road is unattended, and I couldn't see any CCTV cameras there. I'm pretty sure they've refitted the place since, but last time I was there, all the dryers were covered in graffiti. That kind of thing annoys me - maybe the kids who did it were bored, but the people who use that place just want to do laundry in semi-pleasant surroundings at least. They certainly don't want to sit in a total dump while they wait for their load to finish.
By the way, are the Primus washers of the same breed as Ipsos? They look very similar indeed. I do remember the old ones they had on EastEnders, in the scummy "launderette yellow". The new SS ones look much better.
The laundromats in the USA are massive. I saw several while I was staying in Florida, most of which looked very pleasant indeed. Very clean, bright and well-maintained, unlike many launderettes here which tend to be dingy and depressing. And the US ones had huge lines of washers and dryers, stretching as far as the eye could see!
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Post# 18877-6/18/2002-14:03 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk
Yes, these Primus's work in the same way as Ipsos, the cycles are basically the same. They're both built in Belgium, and also have a similar looking, if not the same programme progress dials. The electronic controls of the newer machines are the same too.
These Primus's are in a sky blue colour, rather similar to the Wascomat's (http://www.wascomat.com)
I like the coloured launderette washers and dryers better, gives more of a vintage feel. Especially that classic 'laundromat' yellow. How old is the equipment in the Maytag Launderette? The washers look new to me, but the dryers seem old; they have the thick door rim last time I noticed. I also saw that there was a coin-op drycleaning machine in there; are these common?
Jon
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Post# 18878-6/18/2002-14:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Primus and Ipso)
MESSAGE: Primus and Ipso are completely different companies. Ipso is now a part of the LSG group, with Jensen (BIG machines) and Cissell (dryers and finishers). Primus never was big here in the States, while Ipso is fairly prominent.
-ph
LINK: http://www.laundry-systems-group.com/
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Post# 18879-6/18/2002-14:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (shifting our thinking)
MESSAGE: I guess it will take a while to shift into sandbox mode. Hitting the Reply button is very easy indeed.
-ph
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Post# 18880-6/18/2002-15:55 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette ((come on guys))
MESSAGE: Is this really worth making an issue about, if so can it please be done in the sand box? Please =)
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Post# 18881-6/18/2002-15:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Easy POD w/Spirolator Action
MESSAGE: Cycla, when I was in England, Mikey's Hotpoint washer had an almost exact copy of the Easy Spiralator in it. It does create a very good wash action. Also a friend grew up with an Easy Spindrier and he said the same thing.
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Post# 18882-6/18/2002-16:39 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Who wants the 65 Rollermatic set? (SOLD!!!!!)
MESSAGE: And to a good home too.
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Post# 18883-6/18/2002-17:28 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Does Washer Crime Pay?)
MESSAGE: Hullo Surge,
Thanks for the info on the Primus machines. I've never seen them before, the only FLs I've seen in launderettes so far have been Ipsos.
The washers in the Maytag launderette are all new. They used to have avocado green top loaders, which looked to be from the 70s, plus a couple of Neptunes. I'm pretty sure they have one or two more Neptunes now, and all the TLs have been switched for brand new white ones. Didn't notice the dryers, but perhaps they'll be up for replacement sometime in the future.
As for the coin-op dry cleaning machine, I've never seen one elsewhere. None of my clothes are dry clean, but even so, I'm not sure I'd want to risk doing the job myself. At least if you take something to the cleaners, you have someone else to blame if things go wrong!
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Post# 18884-6/18/2002-19:23 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (I Remember the Coin-Op Dry Cleaning Machines by SQ)
MESSAGE: I remember when I was a kid my mom sending me to the laundry to do her drycleaning in Speen Queen Coin-Op front loading machines. She was always happy with the results. This was a Speen Queen Laundry Mat that had top loaders and front loaders and about 4 of the coin-op dry cleaning machines. They must have worked well, because I remember having to wait often for a dry-cleaning machine. I would say that the machines were from the late 60's. I thought that the top loaders were so nice with the solid stainless steel tub. I always wondered how did it work? Our GE at home had holes in the tub.
Does anyone know how the dry cleaning machines worked? I don't remember putting any solution in it. It always seemed dry while it was doing it's job. (duh!!)
The last time that I went home (about 6 months ago) I stopped by this Laundry and was shocked to see that all of the same top loaders and front loading SQ's were still running, and actually in great condition. (I love the look of the 60's front loading SQ's) The dry-cleaning machines were still there, but they were not in use with signs on them that said out of order. I was happy to see that the place was kept up, and they held on to the orginal style of laundry from the beginning of the operation. Felt like you were going back in time.
The dry cleaning machines looked like regular front loaders, but at the bottom there was a little more to it, covered by a screen type front. You could see the inner workings through the screen. Next time I go, I will bring my digital camera and take pictures of them for here.
Brent
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Post# 18885-6/18/2002-19:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Who wants the 65 Rollermatic set? (SOLD!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Jason, someone in the club? DISH!!!!
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Post# 18886-6/18/2002-19:51 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: SandBox. Where is it? How do I get there?
MESSAGE: Was just wondering?
Brent
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Post# 18887-6/18/2002-19:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (I Remember the Coin-Op Dry Cleaning Machines by SQ)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, "solid tub" washers are a wonderful thing. I hope sometime you will have an opportunity to see one operating in someone's collection. The reason for their demise as I understand it was the advent of the large capacity machines, where somehow the design is just not as compatible.
A solid tub washer also saves water, because it does not have to fill the surrounding outer tub; it fills only the inner tub where the clothes are washed. Instead of spinning or draining the water out through the perforations on the sides of the tub, a solid tub washer spins the water up and over the top and out into the outer tub (there is generally a row of perforations at the very top of the tub, which you don't see under the rim).
One of the best things about a solid tub washer is the rinsing: The washer fills and agitates (or pulsates, in the case of a Frigidaire), but continues taking on fresh water throughout the agitation period. The excess water "overflows" over the top of the tub, carrying with it the lint, scum and suds. This is a very effective method of rinsing, probably the best of any of the possibilities. Some machines also have an "overflow wash", where the fresh water intake kicks in a few minutes before the end of the wash cycle, to begin carrying away the dirt, suds and loosened dirt over the top of the tub and down the drain.
Speed Queen was the last manufacturer to discontinue the "solid tub" around 1980. Most of the others had disappeared in the 60s and early 70s.
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Post# 18888-6/18/2002-19:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Dryel)
MESSAGE: It is interesting to note here that although self-service dry cleaning machines have not been in general use for some time (I don't know if this is a safety/environmental thing or what) (Peter, do you have any idea why this is?) we now have the option of using "Dryel" to "dry clean" things in our clothes dryers. I don't know what's in it, I'm quite sure it is not the same stuff they use at the dry cleaners, which is rather toxic and volatile as I understand it. My customers at Target really like it for things such as sweaters, and other things that don't require the pressing services the dry cleaner also offers.
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Post# 18889-6/18/2002-19:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: SandBox. Where is it? How do I get there?
MESSAGE: Here is a link to the sandbox. You have to become a member to be able to post, but it is free. Scott
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 18890-6/18/2002-20:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Movies Galore)
MESSAGE: Brent if you would like to see the ultimate in solid basket washing in action check out these movies of my 1958 Frigidaire Unimatic.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/WCI-58.htm
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Post# 18891-6/18/2002-20:17 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (I love them! Thanks Robert!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for your videos Robert! I love them! I have saved them to a DVD. They are great! So well done!
Can't wait to see your Norge in Action!
Brent
Can't wait to meet all of also at the convention!
Brent
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Post# 18892-6/18/2002-20:19 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Wait! these I have not seen!)
MESSAGE: I will download these.
I thought that I had them all!
Brent
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Post# 18893-6/18/2002-20:36 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Convention Update?
MESSAGE: Hello everyone.
What's the latest information in regard to the convention?
Could someone please post an update on dates, times, meeting points, etc. Jim and I have another vacation planned in early September, but we'll still try to make it. Any idea how many will be attending?
Ken
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Post# 18894-6/18/2002-21:05 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Update?
MESSAGE: Read post 18662
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Post# 18895-6/18/2002-21:27 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Dryel/Solid Tubs)
MESSAGE: This may be a bit new and may need to go to the sandbox. I'm still getting used to that! My apologies!
I've had good success with Dryel for my suits as well. The spot remover works very well too. The suits maintain their press. If they do need a little touch up, I do that with a press cloth and my hand iron. No, not the Ironrite for this one! It does seem to more "freshen" the clothes than actually clean them. What really surprises me is the big plastic bag you put the clothes in, doesn't melt in the dryer. They recommend high heat and a 30 minute cycle.
Also on the subject of solid tub machines, the 1996 Amana I had, if my memory serves me, had a solid stainless tub. I never lifted the lid to see how it extracted the water, but it did a great job on the clothes.
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Post# 18896-6/18/2002-21:43 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Robert WoW! Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Those videos were great! Now this was the Coin-op Frigidaire? I would have loved to be in a Launderette and heard all of them running at once! That would have been so cool! I can see why it could do a total clean load in just 18 minutes. What a wash and spin action! I think that also the key to a clean load is not only a good agitation, but also a super fast spin that actually 'sucks' the dirt out of the clothes and drains it.
Does anyone know just why they stopped making this type of wash action? I may have missed some old post on this subject. Was it a matter of cost effectiveness? I would think that a machine that could wash and spin this fast as a top loader would need a very beefy structure and cabinet.
Teach me.
Brent
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Post# 18897-6/18/2002-21:53 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Jetaction!)
MESSAGE: Brent the reason they stopped making the jetaction washers was because general motors sold Frigidaire to white consolidated. They screwed everything up. After 1980 everything made with the Frigidaire name on it was realy a westinghouse. It was the sadest sorriest day in applianceville.
Their will never be any washer built like it was.
Peter
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Post# 18898-6/18/2002-22:00 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: One of the best things I liked about the Frigidaire was not only the surpurb wash action, but the fantastic sound it made. Their is nothing like it. Between the sounds, the cleaning power and just observing the clothes move through the water is the most out of site experience. I can watch it forever.
Peter
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Post# 18899-6/18/2002-22:27 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Movies Galore)
MESSAGE: I was watching those clips again just last night!
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Post# 18900-6/18/2002-22:35 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Movies Galore)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, just a note to say hello. Take care....L.P.
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Post# 18901-6/18/2002-23:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (I love them! Thanks Robert!)
MESSAGE: Brent, can't wait to meet you either. YAY another new face in the crowd of a wash in.
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Post# 18902-6/19/2002-07:50 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (fast spin = need to be solidly made?)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent.
there isn't really a connection between a need for strong construction and the fast spin.
You may notice when a load is a bit off-balance that it wobbles worse as it passes through a lowish speed and smooths out as it gets up to max speed. That is because at higher speeds, the load is moving so fast it hasn't got time to move far to the left before it has done half a revolution and now wants to wobble to the right. So the oscillations more or less cancel each other out. If anything, the wobble tends to become a higher frequency vibration so it becomes more important to have a soft, flexible suspension to prevent the viibrations of the tub transferring to the outer cabinet, which gets very noisy.
The Fisher and Paykels, both Smart Drive and the earlier ECS/Gentle Annie washers are very lightly constructed with rather "drummy" panels, but still do a 1000 rpm spin. (Still not as fast as a Unimatic).
Aussie Front Load Hoovers of the late seventies and early eighties changed from a fast spin (by standards of the time - 850 rpm) to a miserably slow spin (about 400 rpm) when they tried cutting costs. The later (slower) ones has real problems with jumping around during spin, as the suspension was calibrated for the faster spin. The later ones seemed to spin at just the critical speed to maximize vibration and walking. It only took them about eight years to correct the problem.
Chris.
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Post# 18903-6/19/2002-07:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (My Pleasure Brent)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I'm so glad you enjoyed those videos, they will go into the Frigidaire branch of the museum whenever I get the time to work on that monster.
No this wasn't the coin-op in the vid's, that was my 1958 Unimatic (WCI-58). Its a wonderful machine, one of my favorites of my entire collection. You can't believe how well this machine washes and rinse and spins, of course the only way you would know that is actually use one yourself. So hopefully you will find one someday.
As for the coin-op that is a great machine too, it has the Deep-Action agitator which didn't cause as much turnover, but still does a decent job. I like using it when I'm in a rush as the cycle is only 18 minutes long!
Anyway I thought you might be interested in seeing how to use the coin-up so I posted this picture.
ps. More videos to come soon, I've started working on the Norge videos! These should be lots of fun, hopefully by next week I will have them done.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Instructions.jpg
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Post# 18904-6/19/2002-08:17 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Interesting)
MESSAGE: Chris,
That was very good information.
Still wondering why they slowed down the spin? Is it a matter of a cheaper transmission that can't handle or do a super fast spin?
Brent
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Post# 18905-6/19/2002-08:18 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Coin-Op Instructions)
MESSAGE: Very cool.
Where was that located on the machine? Lid?
Was also wondering what the little button that said "push" was for?
Brent
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Post# 18906-6/19/2002-08:22 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why?
MESSAGE: Hello,
I have noticed in the pictures of the Frigidare's and today's Hotpoint, and a few others had a "reset" button on the control panel. Was this for re-starting the machine if the motor was overheated or something? If so, was this a common thing, or only when the machine was overloaded by some idiot?
I guess the new machines have the same thing, but reset on it's own.
Questions, Questions, Questions!!!
Brent
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Post# 18907-6/19/2002-08:58 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (SQ Dry Clean Machine - how drycleaning works)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent,
I can try to give you some insight if I remember right (I am not an expert on the subject, but I can tell you what I know). I used to work in a Speed Queen Dry Cleaner/Laundromat during the summer in while I was in high school, (it was great place too, surrounded by washers!!! ) While working there the owner told me things that I needed to know and what to do, so I did acquire some knowledge (and did read the Laundromat material that came in the mail too, I wish I kept that stuff) as how they worked, since I was in charge of the doing the dry cleaning service part of it.
The place I worked in had two front load dry cleaning machines, which had a capacity of 8 lbs (small by today standards I guess) but you could go you could go to 10 lbs maximum. These machines didn’t use any water, they used a chemical called Perchloroethylene or for short it was called (PERC). This toxic chemical was the cleaning fluid that the machine would wash the clothes in. The operation of these machines was similar to a regular washer/dryer combination, (which I guess it was based on since you really shouldn’t be handling the solution, remember toxic!!!). The machine would fill up just below the window in the door and wash, drain, refill, wash again, drain and then spindry before going into the dry cycle. The whole operation generally took about 1 hour complete a cycle.
I remember that each of these machines had a holding tank on the bottom of them, which held the cleaning fluid that was used for washing the clothes. Inside this holding tank was a filter basket (like a lint filter) that would collect lint and filter the fluid while washing and such that needed to be cleaned out periodically. Another thing that was different about these machines and I don’t know if all machines were like this (I doubt it) is that, these machines had a condenser system on the top of them, that when the machine was in the drying portion of the cycle, the air coming out of the machine would pass thru this condenser system and condense some of the fluid in the exhaust air and return some of the chemical to the holding tank, before exhausting the rest outside. Somewhat of a recovery system to cut down on waste, which was good.
Brent, I hope this helps you out,
Cycla
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Post# 18908-6/19/2002-09:05 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Interesting)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent and thanks for your comments.
In this case the Hoover Front Loaders in question (up to 470 series used a motor and speed control assembly which was fully imported from UK. AS the Aussie Dollar at the time was falling to the UK pound, they were getting expensive. Their front loader was fairly expensive, a 4kg model cost about 50% more than their 6kg top loader. And it was the most basic front loader you'll find - no detergent dispenser drawer, no heater (optional), only one cycle but with "spin hold" and "gentle" option switches. They were pretty desperate to cut costs. Also they were very noisy on spin, and tended to need new brushes in the motor every couple of years. They changed to a simple induction motor imported from Italy, it needed no electronic control. It was cheaper, very reliable and very quiet. But it was limited to a 400 rpm spin. The motor had two windings, with about an 8x speed difference. The wash (tumble) can only be about 50 rpm, any faster and the clothes don't drop when tumbling. So that limits the speed to 50 x 8 = 400 rpm. Being a front loader there is no "transmission", just a belt drive. (This lousy spin wasn't unique to the Hoover - many European FL's of that period, especially Italian models for some reason. used a simlar motor and had a dismal spin. I had a 70's Ignis with a 350 rpm spin - still almost dripping wet.)
The even later versions that improved the spin used the same motor, but with an electronic control (!) to sllow the slow speed even further. The MOTOR spin speed was the same, but by changing pulley sizes they got the drum to spin at 800 rpm. The wash speed was done by pulsing power to the slow winding of the motor, cutting what would have been a 100 rpm speed to 50 rpm. This also gave them a 100 rpm "distribute" speed ( when the machine is pumping out and you want the clothes to distribute evenly around the drum prior to spin), and a 400 rpm gentle spin speed. This was the best model of the series, the last Front Loader made in Australia, (they are now all imported) and were reliable and worked well, but had high power consumption when washing - the electronic control wasn't very efficient.
Chris.
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Post# 18909-6/19/2002-09:07 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why?
MESSAGE: Bret, The reset buttons were for unbalance conditions when the washers were severely out of balance during the spin cycle, the switch would trip and shut down the machine. You would push this button to reset the machine after fixing the load!!!
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Post# 18910-6/19/2002-09:09 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (coin-op drycleaning)
MESSAGE: I think they went out of vogue for 3 reasons: general environmental concerns, owners not wanting to properly deal with the chemicals, and owners not wanting to deal with the maintenance. Drycleaning machines are extremely complex and somewhat fragile, so when put into a coinop situation, problems arose.
Drycleaning machines work by saturating the items with PERC or a petroleum based liquid that has special detergents in it. After a period of agitation, the machine drains, spins and dries. No such thing as a rinse, altho' it may wash a second time with fresh solution. The used fluid is filtered and reused. Vapors from drying are condensed and reused. It's a completely sealed system.
As for PERC being carcinogenic, in all the trade journals I read, it is not proven. It seems to be one of those things that environmentalist have grabbed ahold of and won't let go.
-ph
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Post# 18911-6/19/2002-09:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Maytag commercial dryers)
MESSAGE: Maytag commercial dryers are made by American Dryer Corp (ADC).
-ph
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Post# 18912-6/19/2002-09:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (reset button)
MESSAGE: Hi again Brent.
The reset button on the (Australian-assembled) GM Frigidaire my family had in the seventies got pressed almost every day, often several times! (cover your ears Uni!)
It trips when the motor is drawing too much current = when hte motor is being overloaded. In our case it always occurred when starting to spin.
As a kid I hated that machine, it gave constant trouble and only rarely managed to spin without intervention. It was serviced several times and never improved. Eventually when I had a part-time job after school I bought my mother a second-hand GE washer with gold control panel. The cable-suspended tub one. We were amazed that it could work without having to "rescue" it all the time.
Now from this site I have become enthused to get my hands on a similar Frigidaire and try again. I wonder if it had some fault that the repairmen never found.
Chris.
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Post# 18913-6/19/2002-09:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Coin-Op Instructions)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, that's the instructions on the window lid of the coin-op. To answer your questions from both posts, on the Hopoint that button is the unbalanced reset switch. On the Frigidaire that button acts as the motor protector, if the motor overheats the button pops out, you wait a minute or two and push it in to restore power to the machine. I've only seen the pop when they have gone bad.
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Post# 18914-6/19/2002-09:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (reset button)
MESSAGE: Chris, if the snubber has oil on it the mechanism will swing out of balance with almost every wash load. Sounds like there might have been a slight oil leak, but you need to turn the machine over and remove the entire cross brace to clean the snubber. Not to mention the work to pull the tranny to change the seal!
Sounds like you had a bad motor protector switch too. Service persons hated Frigidaire because they had to keep up with their schooling as GM changed the designed so many times. It sounds like he just didn't want to be bothered.
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Post# 18915-6/19/2002-10:20 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (PERC)
MESSAGE: Fascinating. I'd always thought that perchloroethylene (PERC) was at the very least a liver/kidney toxin. But apparently while this may be marginally true for mice and rats, it's not currently thought to be true for humans. It does have nervous system effects, like an anesthetic. For further discussion, if any, perhaps we should move this to the sandbox.
Here's a link to an industry white paper on PERC.
LINK: http://www.hsia.org/white_papers/perc.htm
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Post# 18916-6/19/2002-11:43 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: "Divas" in the Chat Room and ApplianceVille...
MESSAGE: Please Folks lets curb the "Diva" name/act routine. Its really getting old and most of us have figured out who you are anyway. This is a great site and a source of fun and enjoyment for most of us. Please folks lets try to respect each other here and be decent, and not act like you were just released from an institution. This is of course my opnion. Love, Ross
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Post# 18917-6/19/2002-12:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (museum)
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see more videos especially the Norge because I never saw one in action yet.
Let me know when you're ready to do the Kenmore wing. I have videos of my portable in action. Actually I have a complete cycle but the file size would be too big. But I have individual files of the washer filling/agitating and draining/spinning.
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Post# 18918-6/19/2002-12:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Divas" in the Chat Room and ApplianceVille... (Divaz)
MESSAGE: You know you like it :-P
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Post# 18919-6/19/2002-12:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (PERC)
MESSAGE: I remember watching the huge dry cleaning machine at my mom's work in the 70s. Probably was a Milnor machine because the FLs were Milnor. I seem to remember some kind of hose going through the window and that was where the fluid came from (?) and also the spin was very loud. It actually scared me at first but I got used to it and enjoyed watching the machine run.
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Post# 18920-6/19/2002-12:26 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Thanks Gentlemen!
MESSAGE: Thanks for answering all of my questions!
Gee, I have learned so much here!
Brent
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Post# 18921-6/19/2002-12:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Consumer Report Pictures
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports has some old test pictures on their website. I don't remember if this was discussed before, but by coincidence I came across these pictures today. I enjoyed browsing through them.
Louis
LINK: http://www.consumerreports.org/main/detailv2.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=2283&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2279&bmUID=1024503884371&WebLogicSession=PRCwTAi2GhQPvynPLWPgj1t3Sh9zi9TorLHJ8qm2L4fj49HeaeX2|7353494622395923676/169937910/5/7005/7005/7002/7002/-1|5158044491824776921/169937909/5/7005/7005/7002/7002/-1|7353494622395931354
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Post# 18922-6/19/2002-13:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (museum)
MESSAGE: Fabulous Jason, thanks so much for contributing to our cause. If you can get the files compressed into WMV's and down to 6 or so mb that would be ideal. Then you can FTP them over to the video server. Maybe I will do the Kenmore museum next after the Norge.
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Post# 18923-6/19/2002-13:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (museum)
MESSAGE: One word: YAY!
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Post# 18924-6/19/2002-14:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (video)
MESSAGE: Jason,
Be sure to make a video without the fabric softener dispenser so we can really see what goes on in there.
-ph
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Post# 18925-6/19/2002-14:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Divas" in the Chat Room and ApplianceVille... (Come to the Sandbox...)
MESSAGE: Ross,
I agree, but we're continuing this discussion over in the Sandbox. Please join us at the link below.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 18926-6/19/2002-16:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (not much happens)
MESSAGE: Being that the tub is so skinny and it's a straight vane agitator, rollover is very slow at best. In a 14 minute wash, I remember seeing things roll about 2 or 3 times. In fact, I place heavy stuff on top so it will roll down and let the other stuff come up.
It's still a very fun washer to watch and I will do without the UFO sitting on top. Like a GE FilterFlo, it blocks your view.
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Post# 18927-6/19/2002-17:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Consumer Report Pictures (Cool pics!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, I've not seen these before. My favorite was the Nerf ball bursting into flames!
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Post# 18928-6/19/2002-17:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: More eBay info
MESSAGE: The guy with the Frigidaire washer on eBay posted more details. If the machine is a 1956, it wouldn't have had a gentle cycle, would it? Unless it was a short cycle at regular Unimatic speed. Is anyone an expert on reading Frigidaire serial numbers?
The tag on the back reads: Model: WI 56 Serial Number 14E16210 Volts 115 Cycles 6 Amps 7 On the front of the machine it says:"Frigidaire Made Only By General Motors" The controls consist of a large dial on the right with the various cycles, etc. A button in middle of dial is the water shut-off when the lid is raised to rest against it. Just to the left of the large dial are two small controls, one above the other. The upper has settings for "Normal Load" and "Small Load", while the lower has settings for "Hot" and "Warm". The basket / tub inside is solid, not perforated, and is made of grey enamel-like finish with white flecks.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2032168093
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Post# 18929-6/19/2002-17:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info
MESSAGE: From trying to visualize, the description says "A button in middle of dial is the water shut-off when the lid is raised to rest against it." That means the lids goes up against the panel and not to the side. Also, solid tub, hot/warm switch. Sounds like a Unimatic to me. Could be a pulsamatic also. were those around in 56?
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Post# 18930-6/19/2002-17:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info
MESSAGE: Furthermore, Todd Cox is the high bidder. If that's true and he wins, New Orleans is getting a Uni! YAYYYYYYYYYYY!
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Post# 18931-6/19/2002-17:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info
MESSAGE: Peter of course people will chime in that know far more than I, but if it's what I'm thinking it is, it would be quite a coup. If it has only a hot and warm setting, I'm almost positive it would be a Unimatic as I think 1958, the last Unimatic, was the first to have "cold" as a selection. Machines such as the W065 also have "gentle" or "delicate" designations, but it doesn't do anything different, it's just so marked at the lesser portion of the wash minutes.
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Post# 18932-6/19/2002-17:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (This should be what it is...)
MESSAGE: if it is indeed a WI56
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Continuing+Vintage+Ads&.src=ph&.dnm=The+handsome+56+Frigidaires.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Continuing%2bVintage%2bAds%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18933-6/19/2002-17:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (OMG!)
MESSAGE: Here he comes here come tcox
he's a demon at ebay
he's an ebayer and he's gonna be bidding on a washer
they'll bid against so you better look alive
he's busy washing in his 1965
and when the auction is closing and they're
bidding against you
bid on your Unimatic
you'll win it too
Go tcox!
Go tcox!
Go tcox go!
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Post# 18934-6/19/2002-18:07 ||| Mobilemaidbear (Starville)
SUBJECT: RE: "Divas" in the Chat Room and ApplianceVille... (Come to the Sandbox...)
MESSAGE: They never talk ? I was in last saturday both Diana Ross and Eva Peron where in the room? Niether spoke, which is understandable since she is dead and embalmed in a bubble coffin ( like those old plexiglass top loading dishwasher demos in sears) in Argentina
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Post# 18935-6/19/2002-18:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Divas" in the Chat Room and ApplianceVille... (I replied to you in the sandbox)
MESSAGE: to the sandbox we go...
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Post# 18936-6/19/2002-18:25 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (tragedy narrowly avoided with coin-op dry cleaning machine!)
MESSAGE: Years ago when we were on a family vacation, my mother had to run by a coin-op laundry during the trip. My dad stayed at the motel, don't recall if my sisters went to the laundromat or just me and mom.255 Anyway, the top-loaders were either Norge or Speed Queen, I think. There were some front-loaders as well. Being a curious kid, I opened one and took a sniff inside.
Well, it must have been a dry cleaner with a leak in the sealed system or some residue . . . I literally could not catch my breath for what seemed like an eternity.
Very scary. I don't think my mother ever understood what had happened. By the time I got her attention, I had mostly recovered.
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Post# 18937-6/19/2002-18:45 ||| Dianaross (CT)
SUBJECT: RE: "Divas" in the Chat Room and ApplianceVille... (I was bored )
MESSAGE: I was in Rehab, it was boring ,Berry Gordy gave me a laptop, excuse me I did not feel like conversing at the time, I can see many of may fans are appliance fans too. My new tour starts this summer in germany, I will be stateside in June and July , I am well rested and feel like a new woman, I am looking to see all my fans and having a successful tour. Thank you for allowing me to visit and somewhat particapate in your site.
love
Diana
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Post# 18938-6/19/2002-19:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (My Pleasure Brent)
MESSAGE: Brent, the WCI58 was the very FIRST machine I used at last year's convention and was the ONE I did my own laundry in. Frigidaires were in my childhood. The other main machie I HAD to use that weekend was the 58 Whirlpool Combo washer/dryer. You would love any Frigidaire you could see in action--a truely unique experience. Right behind that is the ABC-O-Matic or Kelvinators.
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Post# 18939-6/19/2002-19:26 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (OMG!)
MESSAGE: Jason, thanks, I needed that!!! Since I have found out that I won't be able to make the convention this year, I decided to treat myself and get another vintage washer. So, I'm out on the prowl looking. Keep your fingers crossed that I get it, and I'll see you at the next New Orleans Wash-in !!!
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Post# 18940-6/19/2002-19:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (Serial Number)
MESSAGE: Thats a 1956 serial number. This washer is most definately at 1956 Imperial Unimatic, WI-56, it was the very first year of the three ring agitator.
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Post# 18941-6/19/2002-19:49 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Hello Appnut. This is so addictive! I love it! )
MESSAGE: I want one! I don't know if this site is a good thing or a bad thing for me!
Robert's videos made me want one!
My dream would be to find a Whirlpool combo Gas. If I could get a electric model, I would take it!
What are the appliances that we are going to see this year?
Does anyone have any links to the place we are going??? I would love to see!
I restore vintage electronics from the 60's and 70's. 50's when I can find them. It is fun, and a great source of income.
Now this! My other half just shakes his head. He knows to keep his mouth shut!
You guys are great! I just wish that we all lived in the same place.
Let's think about retirement! : )
Brent
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Post# 18942-6/19/2002-19:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (John's collection in maryland)
MESSAGE: Brent, here'a link to photos of his collection. Attention Jason--SEE THE KENMORE???!!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?&.dir=/3+-+Collection+at+John%27s+Maryland+House&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/3%2b-%2bCollection%2bat%2bJohn%2527s%2bMaryland%2bHouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18943-6/19/2002-19:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (I'm so glad you're enjoying yourself Brent!)
MESSAGE: Brent, I am so pleased you are enjoying the site, learning new things and making new friends! Your warmth and enthusiasm is just what our club needs, and I am so glad you've decided to just jump on in, join us and have some fun! Scott
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Post# 18944-6/19/2002-20:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (turquoise Sears set)
MESSAGE: That has got to be one of the nicest vintage Sears sets I have ever seen. It is just beautiful. And he has one of the big button ones there too, I see!
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Post# 18945-6/19/2002-20:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Hello Appnut. This is so addictive! I love it! )
MESSAGE: Brent, it would be very rare to find a Gas Whirlpool or Lady Kenmore 1958-1962 combo. The gas flame caused premature failure due to it heating the water (maintaining it) on the hot wash and also the intense heat from the dry cycle due to the 200 rpm spin speed (due to lack of a great suspension system because Bendix had the patent on combo w/d suspension systems). Now, for another comment, I'm going to the sandbox.
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Post# 18946-6/19/2002-20:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (turquoise Sears set)
MESSAGE: Scott, remember the big button ones is the 65 LK Combo. Also, the piano-keyboard 72 LK is kinda big-button, but the 65 LK Combo was the "typical" style at that period for LK washers.
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Post# 18947-6/19/2002-20:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (OMG!)
MESSAGE: And when is the next NO wash in? Is your 65 hooked up? Hook it up and let's wash. I've been ready for my Frigidaire fix LOL.
Oh I hope you get the Unimatic. That will be FUN to play with.
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Post# 18948-6/19/2002-20:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (YES!)
MESSAGE: I'm SO there. 65 Lady K with Rotoswirl: You can't get better than that.
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Post# 18949-6/19/2002-20:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: John's other house in W. Virginia's collection
MESSAGE: Just had to include this too. BTW, all this IS contained in the "Members Links" section on the home page.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst?&.dir=/4-Collection+-John%27s+West+Virginia+House&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/4-Collection%2b-John%2527s%2bWest%2bVirginia%2bHouse%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18950-6/19/2002-20:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (YES!)
MESSAGE: See Jason, I kept tellin' ya, you'll get your belt-drive fix.
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Post# 18951-6/19/2002-20:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (Reward = Bid?)
MESSAGE: In the WANTED-REWARD section, there is only one person on the list who was willing to pay a reward for this machine. Should be an interesting show in the last few minutes!!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WANTED/WANTED.htm
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Post# 18952-6/19/2002-20:32 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Jason? Are you going to be at the wash - in convention?)
MESSAGE: I am from Morgan City.
Do you know where that is?
Have you ever seen the Milnor Plant in New Orleans?
Brent
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Post# 18953-6/19/2002-20:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (YES!)
MESSAGE: And how! John also (I think) still has a Kenmore hooked up that has the smaller pulley and faster motor so it agitates and spins much faster than a normal Kenmore.
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Post# 18954-6/19/2002-20:34 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Appnutt? Robert? What about the WP Gas Combo you found?)
MESSAGE: What about the WP gas combo you found? What kind of shape was it in?
You never really talked much about it. It looked to be in great shape?
Comments?
Brent
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Post# 18955-6/19/2002-20:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (YES!)
MESSAGE: Whoa. A souped up kenmore. Does it have chrome tailpipes too?
Hmmm.. Harley-Davidson limited edition Kenmore?
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Post# 18956-6/19/2002-20:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (YES!)
MESSAGE: Oh, you haven't seen a Unimatic washer yet....switching from pulsate to spin is the best. The clunk of the solenoid and trip shaft, the lights in the room dim for a split second while the motor draws enough power to amost instantly spin out a tub full of water and clothes and within seconds spin them faster than any top-loading washer you've ever seen. The fragrance of your detergent of choice wafts through the room combined with an slight electrical motor scent (this is normal) makes the unimatic a smorgasboard for the senses! The videos are great, but don't do it justice compared to being in front of one. I guarantee you'll love the sounds, sights (and smells) as much as the Kenmore!
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Post# 18957-6/19/2002-20:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Jason? Are you going to be at the wash - in convention?)
MESSAGE: AHA! I wondered where you from with that Cajun name! Yes, I know where MC is. Down in da bayou on Hwy 90. I didn't know Milnor had a plant down here.
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Post# 18958-6/19/2002-20:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (YES!)
MESSAGE: Oh I know. I love the smell of the detergent when a TL spins. My little Kenmore spins fast and gives the room a sweet smell.
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Post# 18959-6/19/2002-20:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (YES!)
MESSAGE: You tell'um Greg!!!! I'm alrady getting excited. Washerland at Steve & Rhinnies & at John's house in Md. too. WHEW!!!Oh and ou forgot to mention the brief 1/4 revolution just as pulsating starts at times (I forgot the mechanical explanation for this, but I remember it both as a child & at Robert's in the Frigidaire corner).
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Post# 18960-6/19/2002-20:57 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Milnor is only in New Orleans)
MESSAGE: Jason,
Milnor is from New Orleans.
It is one the largest employed US companies in the USA.
It is a amazing company.
I think they still do daily tours.
Are you looking for a job?
That could be right up your alley cheir.
Brent
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Post# 18961-6/19/2002-21:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Milnor is only in New Orleans)
MESSAGE: A-EEEEE! (that's a Cajun yell for you Yankees out there)
Boy, would I have fun administering a computer network for a washing machine company. WOW
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Post# 18962-6/19/2002-22:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: I must be crazy, but with the help of Estate Sale Gary I went and picked up my latest Ebay purchase (item# 2111209860). I didn't think it was quite this BIG, but its going to be my big winter project next year. This is what I needed to make some space for. I've always wanted one of these.
Brent and JasonL I think you two would particularily appreciate this...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/1951-Zenith.jpg
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Post# 18963-6/19/2002-22:29 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (The Quality goes in...)
MESSAGE: Congratulations!! I'm so jealous, I've always wanted one of those Zenith TVs...and a combination unit no less!!
Since you have a penchant for the unusual, have you ever come across a Capehart phonograph in your neck of the woods? I'm refering to the 400 or 500 series machines, pre and post war with the turn-over changer. You stacked the records in it and a very complicated mechanism would drop them onto the turntable and then flip them over.
Very large, heavy and wonderful machines that sound great. Many of them had very exotic cabinets which were works of art in themselves. If you run into a post war one that has been converted to a 3 speed machine. It would allow you to play 10 and 12 inch LPs.
Good luck with your restoration, can't wait to see how it turns out!!
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Post# 18964-6/19/2002-22:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: I'm glad Gary was able to helP you with that. It's awesome. Yup, reminds me of a front loader. (Like those shop windows we saw in Mall of America after we'd left brunch. We all saw the porthole windows & though, WASHER!!!). Good luck with it. BTW, nice to see that corner of the basement again.
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Post# 18965-6/19/2002-22:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Appnutt? Robert? What about the WP Gas Combo you found?)
MESSAGE: Brent, I love your enthsusiasm. It's like a shot in the arm, a breath of freesh air, clothes dried on the line, and dried in a dryer with the sun-e-day lamp. Keep asking quesetions. We'll answere them. This is like the old days again. I think we're on the right track!!!!!
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Post# 18966-6/19/2002-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Both my combos were just fine)
MESSAGE: Brent, I found two combo, finding one was an impossible task, finding two was a miracle, especially in the same summer.
The combo I kept was Electric, I prefer electric drying over gas.
The gas combo was in fine shape, no sign of rust where the burner was. Anyway, that went to John Lefever and Tom Turbo in Maryland. You will see up (not hooked up) at the convention. Its a monster of a machine, 350lbs and huge.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/multimatic850/lst?.dir=/Z_Another+%2758+Whirlpool+Combo+But+Gas!!&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/multimatic850/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18967-6/19/2002-22:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (The Quality goes in...)
MESSAGE: Hi Ironrite, neat I've never seen a Capehart phonograph like that. I'll have to keep my eyes out for one! Not that I need anything to bring anything else in this house mind you, LOL.
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Post# 18968-6/19/2002-23:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Capeheart phono)
MESSAGE: I've heard of those and I'd like to see one in action too. I also heard that they will smash records if they're out of adjustment.
If you wanna see one in "action" watch the Cartoon Network for a Tom & Jerry cartoon from the 40s where Jerry's trying to sleep and a woman is playing loud music on the stereo. It's one of those record changers. In fact, one of the scenes shows Tom spinning on the turntable and the machine smashes a record on his head.
I guess the real thing is extremely rare to find.
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Post# 18969-6/19/2002-23:37 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Smashing!)
MESSAGE: Yes! They will smash records. I did own a big, post-war model in a Chipendale cabinet. I used to find pieces of records underneath it. Additionally, in the mid-late 1940's these machines sold for around $1500.00! Sometimes you would find custom models, the Capehart changer paired with a Scott receiver. Which is another high end brand of radio/phono. Very classy all chrome chassis on them.
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Post# 18970-6/19/2002-23:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (But it only washes in black and white)
MESSAGE: Wow that's a beauty. What brand is it? And it looks quite mint.
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Post# 18971-6/19/2002-00:24 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Capehart Picture)
MESSAGE: HOPEFULLY, I've created a photo album...please let me know if this works. Here's a photo of my post war 400 Capehart. I did sell the machine a few years ago, it went to a very good home in the San Francisco area.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/cougarmike89103/lst?.dir=/My+Photos
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Post# 18972-6/19/2002-00:26 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Capehart Picture)
MESSAGE: It works, and it does look like master cabinetry. Beautiful!
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Post# 18973-6/19/2002-00:28 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Capehart Picture)
MESSAGE: By the way, there was an article in last sunday's SF Chronicle about Philo Farnsworth. The building on Green Street where he invented electronic TV is now being used by two digital video companies.
His sister is 93 and still alive, watching "my brother's invention".
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Post# 18974-6/19/2002-00:39 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Cabinet)
MESSAGE: The cabinet was all matched mahogany. Just the cabinet was made by John Widdicomb in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
I must say that company is a very class act. During one of the machine's move, their tag on the back was lost. I called them and they were kind enough to send me another tag for the machine.
I'll try to find pictures of the machine's changer and post those soon. The changer sits in the middle and to left on the top of cabinet. Two doors in the front open, and then 1/2 of the lid lifts so you can access the changer. The two bottom doors open to expose a huge Western Electric speaker. The door on top, to the right, opens to the radio and other controls.
You could also get the "Aladdin" remote control for the machine. Thus being able to control radio, it had AM/FM/Shortwave, and change records and volume. The remote was hard wired to machine by a long, flat cable that could be hidden under rugs, etc.
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Post# 18975-6/19/2002-01:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: That is BIG! It will be very cool when all done though - congrats on the win!
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Post# 18976-6/20/2002-03:25 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: The Sandbox
MESSAGE: Sorry in advance if anyone thinks I am stirring trouble but classic appliances and the yahoo club mean a lot too me and I feel put off about recent events and need to know where I stand.
I have posted the same comments in the sandbox so take them up with me where you feel appropriate.
"I was thinking that the sandbox would be a good idea.
Seeing that Modern appliances seem to off topic on classic appliances I though that maybe this sandbox could of been a kind of juniors club for those of us who are not old enought to remeber the classics in Unis basement or Ganskys garage but still love washing machines and enjoy talking about them.
But no, we seem to have taken the aggressive tone into the sandbox and just read flame wars between people.
I personally blame people who have come intot his club not to enjoy friendship or share a common interest but to really stir up the cosy little pot and put people off side, defensive and blatant insults.
Where has Mr Bubbles been since all this hoo haa?
Anyway i feel very disenfranchised and cut off but all the sad sorry little goings on of late."
As for old club members not posting there is nothing at all stopping them and if they dont like certain posts then they dont have to particpate in them, regardless of whether the topic is right or wrong. Tehre are plenty of approprate threads going on that they could particpate in.
As a young un, 25, machines from the 70's and 80's are classics to me. plus I love how this club if full of people who LOVE washing machines, rather than treating them as another appliance. In THS they only seem to talk about american machines such as Kenmore and it is not quite like the international flavour and cameraderie here. that is why I frequent this custom made site more than THS.
Anyway thats that of my chest. I have really enjoyed classic appliances and feel that I have been cast aside as a naught boy. WHile many of us have engaged in off topic posts, I have never discussed my willy size or insulted or attacked fellow club members.
Over to you.
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Post# 18977-6/20/2002-06:30 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Very Nice!)
MESSAGE: Robert that is in very good shape. I bet that it is very heavy! What year is it? I would guess that type of model was made between 1947 and 1955.
Have you tried it at all? Does it power up at all? Very cool.
Thanks for sharing!
Brent
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Post# 18978-6/20/2002-06:42 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Oh Boy! Can't wait to see it! Not hooked UP?!)
MESSAGE: Did you guys use it at all?
I love that machine, can't wait to see one in person!
I loved the videos of yours running!
Also love the little sticker on the front about it being coated for rust protection. It did the trick.
Not hooked up though?
I think that it would have been cool for everyone to vote on a machine and "restore" it during the convention! That would be fun!
Brent
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Post# 18979-6/20/2002-07:51 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (reset button)
MESSAGE: Thank you Uni, this is the first clue I hasve ever had as to what theblem may have been with the Frigidaire. It is so logical once you mention it.
One of the first front loaders I ever had was a Eurolec (made by Kennedy in Italy) which squeaked constantly on spin. It had two friction dampers (sort of snubbers) underneath, the squeak was coming from there. I put some grease on the "sliders" without realizing their function was to provide some friction. The squeak went but the machine became hysterical if even slightly out of balance.
On the reset button, I don't think it was faulty. As we had such trouble with the spin getting started, sometimes taking ten or more attempts to get it to spin without getting off balance, and bearing in mind that the start winding takes about ten times the current of the run winding in the motor, my guess is that the overload cut-out was just getting hot from all the start attempts so close together. We eventually figured out that if you waited a minute or two between attempts, at least the overload cut-out wouldn't go off too. Don't forget its 240 volt here.
The service company we used were the official Frigidaire agents for Melbourne, but that doesn't mean that they weren't hopeless. We had no end of trouble with a Westinghouse stove purchased about the same time, again the agent ( a different company, again the factory reps) never resolved the issues.
On a related matter, someone recently mentioned the words "jet action" agitator, that is what our Frigidaire had. It had a blue/aqua coloured conical plastic agitator, I think four square holes around the top and you put the detergent inside under the cap, and only one rubber ring. It also had a "lint away" part of the cycle. Does that give you any clues as to what design it was? (multimatic/rollermatic/anything else?)
Thanks and Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 18980-6/20/2002-08:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox
MESSAGE: Your thoughts are understandable and I'm sure shared by other members as well. As with any group of individuals coming together, we will have personality conflicts from time to time and the conversation will heat up and a few flames between members are inevitable, but sometimes good things can come out the turmoil. Our club has experienced our own share of growing pains, members have come and unfortunately, some have left as well. I am confident that those who have stayed through the difficult times are the tried and true, dyed in the wool appliance fans and also understand that we will continue to have our conflicts of personality and growing pains from time to time. As much as we'd all like this club to be like skipping through a corner of heaven, all sweet and nice, the reality is that we are still a group of people with different upbringings, cultures and values so that is not always possible. I kind of consider it like a family reunion or holiday, not everyone always gets along, people sometimes yell and bang their hands on the table, but we can still all come together in our common interests and passions and enjoy one anothers company. Those who can disagree, argue and even insult one another in anger, but still come back, cool off and remain friends through it all are truly the people you don't want to let slip away. Please don't feel cut off or dismayed by any of this, I can assure you that you are welcome and needed. Let's try to ignore the troublemakers as much as possible and enjoy our group of friends. Keep coming back!
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Post# 18981-6/20/2002-08:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: Uni that is fabulous!!
We never had anything like that in Aus, as TV only came here in 56.
Does it show a round picture or a square picture?
Chris.
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Post# 18982-6/20/2002-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox
MESSAGE: I couldn't have put it better myself.
Please stick around Arrrooohhh, your contributions are valued, definitely by me at least.
You may like to know I am coming around to the idea of restoring one of my two Simpson Delta S washers - the last of the old-style Deltas, not the later Japanese clones. I have two and they both need main bearings and seals which is a big job. I have never been a fan of these machines but they were very popular, now they are getting on and are disappearing fast so I will probably save one.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 18983-6/20/2002-09:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Kenner LA)
MESSAGE: I believe the actual Milnor town is Kenner. Seems to me it's on the other side of the lake...
-ph
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Post# 18984-6/20/2002-09:22 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox
MESSAGE: Agreed, Greg.........
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Post# 18985-6/20/2002-10:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Capehart Picture)
MESSAGE: Wow, beautiful cabinet Ironrite, I would be very interested to see pictures of the record smasher I mean changer! LOL.
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Post# 18986-6/20/2002-11:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: I had no idea it was going to be quite this big or heavy. Apparently the auction received over 1200 hits and she said she was bombarded with over 250 emails from all over the US and Canada asking about shipping and the possibility of her putting in storage untill the buyer could drive here and pick it up. She told them she had no idea about shipping.
I think this would have gone for a lot of money if she would have simply posted the number of our local Craters and Freighters for people to call and get an estimate.
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Post# 18987-6/20/2002-11:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox
MESSAGE: Wonderful post arrooohhh and there have been some wonderful responses so I wont repeat what has already been said.
I do want to make sure you understand that 70's and 80's appliances are classics/vintage now too and those wonderful discussions should be encourage and probably wont need to be moved to the Hamper. Peter is working on coming up with our Charter so all this gray area will be ironed out so to speak.
I'm sad to hear you've felt a bit disenfranchised lately, but I think we are seeing some definite improvements now in Applianceville and I think our future is brighter than ever.
As for the people who come into the club not to share our common interest but want to stir up the pot, put people off, get defensive and worse even throw blatant insults at members, there are two ways of handling that. The best way I think is simply to ignore them, if no one responds to them, they will get bored and move on. The final way of course is banning, but thankfully I've only had to do that to one member since we started this club.
The sandbox is not meant to be the "Naughty Corner", but since its hidden from the general public people feel more free to say anything they like, so it might get a bit unruly in there at times and that’s OK. But I will say this; I've appointed Greg, Peter and Glenn as Sandbox moderators. If someone gets way out of hand, even in the Sandbox, I as well as the moderators have the ability to delete their posts if absolutely necessary, so it’s not a free for all.
Hang in there arrooohhh, things are getting better! It wouldn't be the same here without you.
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Post# 18988-6/20/2002-12:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Kenner LA)
MESSAGE: Kenner is just outside of New Orleans. It's not "'cross the lake" (like we say it). It's out past Metairie on I-10.
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Post# 18989-6/20/2002-12:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Very Nice!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, it's a 1951 Zenith.
Since this is going to be a project for later on in the year, I have not started working on it yet. Like many old things it’s not a good idea to plug them in and power them up without giving it a through check first. With washers you need to make sure there is water in the pump and all the drive belts turn easily. With vintage vacuum tube electronics, you need to check all the electrolytic capacitors for leakage and power the unit up slowly with a varic.
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Post# 18990-6/20/2002-12:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Oh Boy! Can't wait to see it! Not hooked UP?!)
MESSAGE: Brent I do use my combo for washing and drying, but its not the greatest performer in terms of rinsing and spinning so I just use it occasionally. I do use it often to dry sheets, towels and other items that you don't wear, when my other dryers are in use with regular clothes. I do not usually dry clothes in it because of the lack of depth of the drum, the clothes are sort of tumbled in a more compact area and have a tendency to come out more wrinkled that with regular plain old dryers.
As for the Gas combo, that’s never been plugged in. It needs a thorough restoration, not one that could be done in the course of a day.
Out of sheer curiosity why is it important to you to get a gas combo as opposed to the electric version?
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Post# 18991-6/20/2002-12:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Could have even been a Mutlimatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Obviously something was terribly wrong with that Frigidaire washer of your childhood Chris. Any washer that normally takes 10 or more manual attempts to get the machine spinning would cause a serious public outcry with the people who spent good money for it, not to mention that Consumer Reports or Choice Magazine would have blasted the maker of any machine with such a horrible deficeny. I agree with your prognosis about the motor protector switch, its wasn’t designed to take the heat and current of 10 starts all in a course of a few minutes. As Frigidaire washers grew older (past ten years old) they had a tendency to go out of balance more often for two main reasons, oil on the snubber was the most common, but also the rubber mechanism support had a tendency to weaken which made the tub hang towards one side. Fix for this was a new mechanism support, but that is a major repair job and not many owners besides us collectors would have considered doing it.
As for the design of the machine, if it were a US made machine (unless it was a coin-op) it would have been a Rollermatic. But since solid-basket Frigdaire washers were being produced for quite some time in Austrialia after they were discontinued here in the US, I cannot say for sure that it wasn’t a Multimatic mechanism either.
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Post# 18992-6/20/2002-12:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Zoom In Feature)
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris, I'm sure am excited to have it. Interesting question about the picture on a round picture tube. On most TV's with round tubes the cabinet itself blocked off the very top and bottom of the circle so the tube appeared to be more like a square with rounded corners. Then the picture was electronically squeezed down into the center of the picture tube, blanking out the top and bottom to keep it in the proper viewing proportion. If you look at the link below, here is my 1949 Admiral, that I have been working on recently, doing just that. In this picture you can see the whole picture tube because the chassis is out of the cabinet and on my workbench. This picture was taken last week I received my first good picture of this restoration process. It’s a new and very exciting challenge for me.
As for this Zenith, they have a special Zoom switch that allows you to "Zoom-In" the picture and fill the entire circle. The manuals claims you can do this for a larger picture, although the sides will be somewhat cut off. It goes on to tell the users that what's most important on a TV show is what in the center so you wont miss much off to the sides.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/TV/raster3.jpg
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Post# 18993-6/20/2002-12:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Coin-op boil wash)
MESSAGE: Hi Surg,
All this talk of vintage launderettes got me thinking about the 3 launderettes near me. I have lived in this area since 1986 and none of them have been fully re-fitted in that time to the best of my knowledge.
2 of them have what appeared to be really old machines even in the mid 80s. 1 has FLs in white cases rather than teh usual SS, these washees look ancient. They have the sliding tray coin mechanisms on the top of the washers rather like teh ususal TL coin op mechanism whereas coin-op FLs usually have the simple slot that one drops a coin through. I must get into this launderette and see what make they are. I have never used this place as it is so shabby and grotty with a dirty peeling floor, but the washers look cool.
The other old launderette has SS FLs, can't rememeber the make as it is over 10 years since I last went in. It too is grotty and the last time I used it, my favoutite was shut, the dryers left metal marks on my clothes. The distinguishing feature was a FL washer that did a boil wash at cost of an extra 10p. I have never seen this before or since, nor did I ever use it :( Does anyone know what this washer might have been - I think it was a rigid mount with the top rounded around the drum and a lever type door lock/handle.
The launderette I use most frequently, for washing duvets, has 16lb SS Primus FLs like the Eastender ones. It used to have 2 25lb SS Primus FLs and 3 or 4 TLs. The TLs have been removed and replaced with 2 more 25lb Primus SS FLs and a 35lb SS Wascerator FL - great washer fast and clean results. How old might these Primus SS FLs be?
This launderette has rather ancient dryers, not well maintained, one of them requires you to sit in front of the door using your back to keep it closed. This launderette is also dirty and grotty but not as bad as the others. Why are UK launderettes so often shabby and have zero facilities beyond the washers and dryer, no coffee, TV, clothes baskets, folding tables, assistants, service wash facilities. Maybe we should get together and start a chain of decent launderettes with nice facilities and a full wash dry fold service, add ironing and collection & delivery service and it could appeal to many.
Richtoo
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Post# 18994-6/20/2002-13:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (Picture)
MESSAGE: Sounds like this one.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+favourite+appliances&.src=ph&.dnm=Frigidaire+1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bfavourite%2bappliances%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 18995-6/20/2002-13:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: Robert, what a beauty!!!!! Quite a project!!
Louis
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Post# 18996-6/20/2002-14:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Appnutt? Robert? What about the WP Gas Combo you found?)
MESSAGE: This gets me in the mood for the convention!!! YAY!!!
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Post# 18997-6/20/2002-14:51 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Coin-op boil wash)
MESSAGE: There are four others in our town (there used to two more, but one shut down (lost business to one down the road) and another merged with another launderette). There's the Fresh as a Daisy coinwash, which is only 2 years old and has modern Ipso washers and ADC dryers. This also has a drycleaners and service washing, plus attendants. Then there's the one next to the castle, called the Maytag Launderette, which has Neptunes, Maytag tops (all about a year old), an Ipso 35lber, a coin op drycleaner and really old dryers. This is unattended. Then there's the Abbey Washerteria (next to the Abbey, miraculously!) which has Ipso frontloaders and Speed Queen dryers and a coin op drycleaner too. This is attended. I haven't visited this one, only driven past it. Then there's the Portland Clothes Care Centre, which has 7kg, 10kg and 13kg Ipso washers with SQ toploads (which have been disconnected) with an Electrolux Wascator spin dryer and really old Electronic Speed Queen dryers. I was talking to the attendant last time she was there, and she said that they're replacing the dryers with Stacked Dryers and also adding 35lb and 50lb washers (50lb would be the biggest size of washer in this area). Finally there's my vintage launderette, which is only called Launderette on the sign outside, however it's referred to in the local Grapevine church magazine as Moor Lane coin wash. This has two Primus 7kg washers, 4 Duplex 13kg washers, and 4 Schulthess 7kg washers. It has Primus tumble dryers, which are rebadged Speed Queen loadstars. All the equipment in this launderette is at least 30 years old. It looks out of date, however it is kept very clean by the nice part time attendants. All launderettes over here also have soap, change and coffee vending machines, plus some seating. What are your launderette's vend prices, Rich? Over here, a 7kg wash typically is £2.00, a 10kg wash £2.40, a 13kg £3.00, and 35lbers ranging from £3.00 to £4.00. How much are the toploads and Neptunes, Kirk? Drying varies between each launderette, mine is 20p/4 mins, whereas Portland Street is 30p/3 mins. These are the only dryers I've used in launderettes, so I don't know of others. Rich, the Duplex's in the Moor Lane Coin Wash have a recessed control panel, there is a small 5cm deep ledge between the front of the machine and control panel. The Duplex machines also have coin slides, you insert a pound coin into each of the slots.
Jon
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Post# 18998-6/20/2002-15:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (Picture)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we do believe the one you depict is "the one". Robert's information regarding serial no and etc. confirms this. What a wonderful find!
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Post# 18999-6/20/2002-15:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox
MESSAGE: arrrooohhh, I agree with the other responses you received to this posting and I too, do hope you will stay with us. My sense of the club morale overall in the last week or so since things "came to a head" as we say in America is that it has improved greatly, and hopefully it will just keep right on doing so. I'm happy to hear that the Sandbox is being watched, and like the others I would implore people to just leave any troublemakers alone, rather than jumping on the bandwagon and perpetuating it.
Hope to see you soon!
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Post# 19000-6/20/2002-16:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (Picture)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty,
Did you hit the Next button for the picture of the matching dryer? We love that pink set!
QLOTOC
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Post# 19001-6/20/2002-16:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More eBay info (Picture)
MESSAGE: As do we! Though I have not seen that model year in person, it is most definitely amongst my favorites, with the pink metal and two tone cabinets! QEOM
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Post# 19002-6/20/2002-18:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Sandbox
MESSAGE: Thatnks Greg for putting it so eloquently. Lord knows there have been a few times I've wanted, and for just cause, to leave with my tail tucked between my legs and never return. But, I do ... for the above-mentioned reasons.
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Post# 19003-6/20/2002-18:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Appnutt? Robert? What about the WP Gas Combo you found?)
MESSAGE: Thanks Luigi. I felt the same way. Can't wait to see you & Mikey again!!!!!
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Post# 19004-6/20/2002-18:29 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (wow!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
What a beautiful system! Good luck with the restoration when you get to it. You do such careful, craftman-like work, I know this will turn out to be a real gem. I wonder what will capture your interest next? Maybe restoring vintage vacuum cleaners????? :-D
Rich
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Post# 19005-6/20/2002-19:06 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (I agree Robert, you are even up on your electronics!)
MESSAGE: You are really good! Not that I was testing you or anything like that.
I was lucky to find some of the vintage tubed Sansui, Pioneer Tubed stereo equipment that was mint. It was obvious that it was for someone that loved it, and when they passed the family or whomever said "let's get rid of this crap."
The sound of the tubed equipment was amazing. Nothing like it.
I did sell the stuff that I had, and made a very nice amount of money off of it.
It is so much fun isn't it?
Brent
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Post# 19006-6/20/2002-19:15 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Gas appliances)
MESSAGE: I have this thing for gas appliances. I love the vintage stuff. I just think that it is amazing when it comes down to the design of gas appliances. I have never had the chance to see one of the combos of any kind. I would love to just study the whole mechanics of that gas combo.
Did it have a 'in-shot' burner? Or somthing else? I know that I have seen vintage burners on gas dryers that had a actual flat burner with a manifold.
At this point, I would take any of the combos. Gas or electric.
Was the Kenmore version basically the same? I know that sometimes Sears would change a little here or there for their specs.
Brent
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Post# 19007-6/20/2002-19:39 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Coin-op boil wash)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
My memory isn't always that good, but if I remember correctly, the Maytag launderette was charging £1.80 for a Neptune wash, and £1.50 for a TL wash last time I went. May have changed since, though, seeing as they now have new washers.
I quite like the Portland Street launderette. Those SQ dryers must have been revolutionary for their time. Even though it looks a bit dated inside, the attendant keeps the place in order, which is what really matters. Was it the Irish lady you spoke to? She's very helpful, and even offered to make me a cup of tea while I sat there watching my duvet wash!
By the way, have you ever seen Spencer branded commercial washers? Haven't seen those for years now, but I seem to remember they had controls similar to today's Ipso machines.
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Post# 19008-6/20/2002-19:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Very Nice!)
MESSAGE: Robert, you never cease to amaze me. YOu have such incredible talen. I'm humbled and in awe of you once again.
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Post# 19009-6/20/2002-19:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Gas appliances)
MESSAGE: yes, Brent, the Sears and WP machines were essentially identical mechanically. The Lady Kenmore had added features--rear mounted control panel, fabric softener & bleach dispensers, and an auto dry cycle rather than timed only like on the WP. Also, the WP had one wash cycle, the Kenmore had a regular cycle and a wash'n'wear/delicate cycle, the latter didn't change tumbling speed or the spin speed (which as I've said was only 200 rpms). A lot of this was pure Sears Marketing. However, both machines had warm or cold rinse and cold, warm, medium, and hot wash (with the heater turned on to maintain temp for hot wash). The WP dryer had infinite dry temps. The Kenmore had 4 drying temps contained on the 4 auto dry cycles of the dryer dial. Dryness setting were light, medium & heavy fabrics. The kenmore had more of a rectangular shaped window, the WP, round. Hope this helps.
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Post# 19010-6/20/2002-19:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Gas appliances)
MESSAGE: Brent, one other fascinating thing about this machine. The exhaust was activated not only for the dry cycle, but for the wash cycle. THe neighbor next door had the Kenmore version and the exhaust faced toward my bedroom window. I used to cry myself to sleep at night when I heard the washer/dryer going next door. (This was after I'd lay in bed for a while and listen to it go through its wash & rinse cycles and begin the dry cycle).
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Post# 19011-6/20/2002-20:07 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: My Grandmother used to have a really groovey stereo in her lounge room. It was about the size and appearance of a small wardrobe and when you opened its doors one side was a record player and the other side a cocktail cabinet.
I have no idea where it ended up but would love to find it or something similar. I figure I could make a real feature of it when I finally get a groovy pad of my own.
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Post# 19012-6/20/2002-20:16 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Thanx a heap guys!
MESSAGE: Thanx for your kind words everyone!
Hopefully we can enjoy chatting about our favourote invention in the whole wide world!
I thought with some of the hoo haa going on why am I bothering here but why I keep coming back? Its good to know I am not the only one who feels a trip to Harvey Norman, Comet or Sears on a saturday afternoon is like a kids trip to the lolly shop!
Plus the knowledge I have gained on appliances old and new I feel I could write a book! Actually I think that might be a good idea...
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Post# 19013-6/20/2002-20:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanx a heap guys!
MESSAGE: and keep in mind arrrooohhh, when you talk about appliances that are native to you, whilst we may not have a lot to say in immediate reply because they are new to us, by reading this is how we learn more about your appliances, European appliances, or whatever the case! I had no idea, for instance, that toploaders were so popular/common in Australia. I had thought this was pretty much an America-only thing. Cars are that way a lot of the time too: there's American, then there's everyone else, it seems.
In all events, we are glad you're here!
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Post# 19014-6/20/2002-20:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader
MESSAGE: They used to have a similar device that would show up at fairs, home shows and etc here that I believe originated in Germany. It was a sound system, fireplace, and cocktail bar thing kind of all in one. I haven't been to one of these shows or fairs in years, but I sometimes wonder if they are still about...
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Post# 19015-6/20/2002-20:25 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Interesting)
MESSAGE: Very interesting info. I guess the blower is connected to the main motor, and that is why it ran all the time. I noticed in Robert's fab. videos that their was a blower sound. That confirms it. (Robert correct us if wrong) I bet that would cut down on the humidity in the house also.
Why did you cry yourself to sleep? Was it from enviousness? I know at that time period that would have been it for me. I would have loved to have used it.
Fun Fun Fun!
Brent
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Post# 19016-6/20/2002-20:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Love it. Sounds Art Deco!)
MESSAGE: Was it stereo?
It sounds art deco which I think would have been before stereo.
Sounds really cool though.
Brent
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Post# 19017-6/20/2002-20:37 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Vintage Dryers
MESSAGE: I would love to know more about the vintage dryers.
Things that I would like to know about is the difference between the gas and electric models.
When did the 'in-shot' burners start to appear in gas dryers.
What were the type of gas burners used before the in-shot burners. How did they work. At what point did the pilot less versions of dryers come out. Was it the same as the modern starters of today?
What type of elements were in the electric dryers. Were the elements in electric dryers like an electric oven? Or were they like the ones that appear in the moderen dryers of today?
ETC.....
And anything that anyone else could share in experence with working with these, and have had the chance to observe these vintage dryers.
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 19018-6/20/2002-20:43 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Gas appliances)
MESSAGE: I liked the old gas appliances myself. My uncle was a Bendix Salesman in Glendale CA and in 1957 my mom and my aunt both got their first Philco Bendix Duomatics. My mom had a Bendix washer since 1949 in the kitchen. I remember the combo came and my uncle and dad started up with the intallation. Cutting the old bolts from the bolt down bendix and taking it out. I was sad because I thought I was loosing the sounds and clicks and noise the machine made. They also had to take out a laundry tub run a gas line and cut a hole for the dryer vent. Whew I never thought they would get it done. Then it was all installed and my mom put in the first load. Wow what neat sounds it made. Had a intermediate spin which I thought was great. Then kicked into the high speed spin. I didn't think much about the dryer part until the washer stopped and I sat there and my uncle said it will start back up in 1 minute. It did. You could hear the two shutters open up for air flow and the blower come on and then the burner lit up. It wasn't the quietest machine to say the least. But my favorite part was to open the service panel along the bottom and look up and see the burner lit up. So many women from all over the neighborhood came over to watch this machine because most had never used a dryer much less an automatic washer. Many were still using wringers. This was in 1957. I sure wish I had that machine today. It was a beautiful piece of equipment.
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Post# 19019-6/20/2002-20:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Gas appliances)
MESSAGE: Bendix5, was that still the big 36" model, or was 1957 already the more streamlined one?
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Post# 19020-6/20/2002-20:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Gas dryers-burners and humidity)
MESSAGE: Brent, what is an "in-shot" burner? I don't know a whole lot about gas appliances, maybe I will learn a new term here!
Also (anyone), I have heard it said that humidity (in the air not the laundry somehow affects the speed of a gas dryer. Does anyone know this to be true or why it is?
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Post# 19021-6/20/2002-21:08 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Wow!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Bendix.
I love the way you described it. And how it is in your memory! What happned to that machine? Did it service your family for a long time?
Very neat.
Bendix was not a big name in Louisiana where I grew up.
Brent
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Post# 19022-6/20/2002-21:15 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (the big one)
MESSAGE: It was the 36" one. It took up a lot of space. That is why the laundry tub had to go. To this day I can probably tell you every sound it made. I have a picture of one here in a magazine. I will have to find it and if I can figure out how, post it. Interesting growing up in Southern California, as time went by, quite a lot of people had combos. I remember many Kenmores as well and the Bendix was quite popular. Most people still hung most of their laundry because it took so long to wash and dry. Mom would wash and throw into a basket what she wanted to dry in the dryer and the rest would go out to the line. Most things were cotton so it didn't matter. Today would be a different story. Even though with a dryer she could wash anytime she still did laundry on Monday. I think Bendix started loosing favor in the late 50's and early 60's when they came out with the smaller machine. Houses were getting bigger and people had more room for dryers. That was sad. My uncle finally went into his own appliance repair business. He could tear a duomatic down to nothing and rebuilt back up like new. Same with whirlpools. I loved going on service calls with him and seeing all of the different machines and watching them operate. I would love to have a early sloped front westinghouse machine. One of the most simple mechanical machines ever made and they are gone. They could have lasted for years except people wanted bigger machines.
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Post# 19023-6/20/2002-21:21 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (I hope that I did not make the name up. : ))
MESSAGE: I call it that because that is what it looks like. American furnaces here now only use this type of burner, with a blower at the flue to pull all of the exhaust out of the exhaust pipe so to speak. (It is now a mandatory thing for saftey from carbon monoxide gases) It is only the gas pipe past the gas sloenoid with a little hood over it that kinda gives the flame a position while it is burning towards the manifold. This of course is after the gas sloenoid that controls the burners on and off function. It is actually just a raw flame. (a flame thrower is what it looks like) - (anyone correct me if I am wrong, or not using the right terms) On some of the vintage dryers that I have seen in the past in operation, some of them actually had a flat burner. I was wondering what the Bendix gas combo and the Whirpool had in them.
Brent
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Post# 19024-6/20/2002-21:23 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Humidity)
MESSAGE: Sure humidity affects dryers in a big way..gas or electric. Have you ever noticed that on a warm dry summer day your clothes dry faster on the line than if it was humid. Same thing happens for a dryer. The more moisture content the air has the more the dryer has to work.The heat expands the air and drives the moisture content down..when the air is already dry the air entering the drum of a dryer can be as dry as the Sahara desert and thats what makes the load dry faster.
I try to wait for when heat waves are over with here or a sea breeze has kicked in to use my dryer becuase it does make a difference.
As far as what kind of elements a dryer used years ago I have seen some with the Calrod heater and some with the Helix type. You have to remember that Calrod units were not all used in Electric ranges. They had exposed helix's at the bottom of the oven and on the stove top. I have seen some Frigidaire and Hotpoint ranges from the 20' and 30's with the exposed heating helix element. I would think that without the stainless steel sheath it would be dangerous especially if something were to spill on them. ZAP a ROO!
Mike
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Post# 19025-6/20/2002-21:25 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (the big one)
MESSAGE: Hey,
Does that mean in Cali there are some vintage Bendix combos that are still working, or not crushed as of yet?
Thanks for sharing that!
Brent
Is your uncle still alive?
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Post# 19026-6/20/2002-21:29 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (I hope that I did not make the name up. : ))
MESSAGE: The machine lasted until 1971 when the shaft actually broke off of the tub. Then it was all over. It did have a flat burner. It looked like a burner in a furnace. Long and flame shooting up. I think that is why I liked looking up at it. The whole thing was amazing to me.
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Post# 19027-6/20/2002-21:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (I hope that I did not make the name up. : ))
MESSAGE: Not sure on the Whirlpool combos, but the earlier Bendix combos had a manifold burner. My '54 Speed Queen has this type also.
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Post# 19028-6/20/2002-21:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (gas-electric)
MESSAGE: One of the by-products of natural (or LP) gas combustion is water vapor. I was reading up on the potential perils of unvented gas fireplaces and some figures they threw out were nearly 1/2 gallon of water (in vapor form) per hour. This could also affect gas-fired drying performance as well. Many factors of the dryer's design have an effect on the speed, my Speed Queen is relatively slow because it has a fairly low airflow rate although the operating cut-off temperature is fairly high. I think newer gas dryers all use the jet flame burners now. The SQ dryer has an automatic pilot that ignites an operating pilot light which burns through the entire cycle.
The 50's Filtrator dryers had calrod-type heating elements, but many other manufacturers used the familiar helix or coil type. Hotpoint (before GE takeover) invented the Calrod unit in the 1930's which of course, brought General Electric sniffing around and eventually GE aquired Hotpoint and the famous Calrod unit.
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Post# 19029-6/20/2002-21:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (here's a Bendix Combo)
MESSAGE: I have a '53 (mfg.1955) Bendix Duomatic, the D.C. guys have a couple of them - a 53 and a 57. Here is a link to my Duomatic, I'll post a link to Tom's as well.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.src=ph&.dnm=Painted+and+Ready+to+Run.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19030-6/20/2002-21:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (here's a Bendix Combo)
MESSAGE: Tom's 57 Philco-Bendix Duomatic
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/vwp?.dir=/1.+The+Collection+at+Tom%27s+House+-+1&.src=ph&.dnm=%2757+Philco-Bendix+Duomatic.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/tomturbomatic/lst%3f%26.dir=/1.%2bThe%2bCollection%2bat%2bTom%2527s%2bHouse%2b-%2b1%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19031-6/20/2002-21:54 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Smasher is correct!)
MESSAGE: You are right about this one! If you did not carefully load the first record in the magazine, there is sort of a knife device that lifts the record, it would allow all the records to drop down and then smash ALL of them!
The magazine sat to the left side in a vertical position. When it changed records the tonearm would move out of the way, a ring would rise up from the turntable and lift the record off. This ring would flip that record onto the magazine that is swinging over to the turntable.
While this is all going on, the magazine would start its swing over and take the bottom record and lay it into the ring, then the ring would lay it on the turntable.
HOWEVER, if you played what was called an A/B side record, you flipped a control, then a separate arm would swing over the magzine, thus "flipping" the record over and back onto the turntable. The next cycle would then be the one taking that record back to the magazine.
And that's why these things can smash records!! As soon as I can find a picture of the insides, I'll post it.
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Post# 19032-6/20/2002-22:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (wow!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, nice to see you here. Thanks for your kind words. I don't know about vacuums, I have a few but they always seem to work just fine.
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Post# 19033-6/20/2002-22:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (the big one)
MESSAGE: Interesting...it does make sense that these machines would have been popular in California, where space tends to be at a premium for the average person. Gansky has one of the Bendix 36" combos and it is just such a wonderful machine. Combos do of course have their limitations as you mention, but to those fascinated by these vintage machines, they are really something to behold. The RCA combos like Robert has are really interesting too, the way it washes entirely in that recirculating stream of water instead of a pool of water like other f/ls.
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Post# 19034-6/20/2002-22:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Combo Blower)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure about the Gas Combo and what type of burner it has Brent. But to answer a future post from above this one, on my combo the blower is only run during the dry cycle. There is a little solenoid that is activated during dry that presses the fan belt up against the motor to start the fan rotating. With the gas combo, the operation probably was different because the machine would need some system to remove the fumes during the water heating part of the wash. The blower sound you heard was just because this is a loud machine, even with it in perfect operating condition.
I scanned this tonight for you, I thought you and others might find this spec sheet for the '57 Whirlpool Combo interesting...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Combo.jpg
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Post# 19035-6/20/2002-22:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (I hope that I did not make the name up. : ))
MESSAGE: Ok, I think I know what you're talking about! I am happy to hear what you're saying about gas furnaces. Ours is quite new so I'm sure it probably has that feature.
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Post# 19036-6/20/2002-22:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Humidity)
MESSAGE: Thanks Mike...I was wondering because we have a gas dryer and while generally it dries in reasonable times, sometimes big towel/cotton loads take what seems like an eternity. Of course the Sears washer doesn't spin all that well, I'll be glad to have my Frigidaire back up and running, and I might get me one of those little Spinx things.
Is a helix element the kind where you see all that coiled wire type stuff that glows red; usually it's sitting in little tracks in a piece of ceramic, concrete or whatever that is...
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Post# 19037-6/20/2002-22:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (here's a Bendix Combo)
MESSAGE: oh, '57 is the one with those funky controls. Those are fun.
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Post# 19038-6/20/2002-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Humidity)
MESSAGE: Scott what is the status of your WCI-60? Were you able to get the moving bugs fixed?
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Post# 19039-6/20/2002-22:27 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (WP Combo Specs)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert.
That is so interesting.
37,000 BTU Burner? That sucker had some heating power. It would be interesting to know how long it would take, say for instance if you only had a cold water tap hook-up before it was hot enough to wash. The new home gas dryers only have about a 22,000 BTU burner if that high.
It also does seem to have some very safe operation features for it's time.
So interesting
Thanks for your post.
Was that form the original operations manuel? Me would love to see all of it. :)
Brent
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Post# 19040-6/20/2002-22:35 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (here's a Bendix Combo)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for showing the pictures. Brings back memories.
Ours had another opening in the top on the left for the lint trap. The levers were different colors to. Might have been later in the year or actually a 58 we got in 57. I have never seen a combo of any kind here in Oregon. One of these days I will find one though. You all have a nice Friday.
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Post# 19041-6/20/2002-22:42 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanx a heap guys!
MESSAGE: Ha, I'm always hours behind on reading/answering posts (as if anybody reads my replies anyway, HA!).
Anyways, I've learned lots of new things from the Euro and Aussie contributors. It never would have struck me that a "traditional" top-loader would have built-in water-heating, but the Choice reviews surely did educate me on that!
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Post# 19042-6/20/2002-22:47 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (the big one)
MESSAGE: I have never seen a Bendix front-loader in this area. I saw a Kenmore once, probably in the late 1960s at some family friends house in Houston. Westinghouses were around a bit, though, there was a dealer in a nearby town. I know of two families in my hometown that had SpaceSaver stack sets. One was pink. 8-)
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Post# 19043-6/20/2002-22:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Humidity)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, well, the drain hose size issue (my not knowing there were two different sizes) resolved the problem I was having there. I spoke to Greg on the phone and we think it may need a new water valve. When you put water to the machine, you can hear a kind of dripping/gurgling inside, and you end up with water on the floor (the hoses are new). So it's either that or something connecting that to where the water flows into the tub is loose, jarred or something. I just need to take off the back and find out what it is that's going on. Another idea Greg thought of Greg thought maybe there was something up with the one side of the valve that was capped all the while I lived on Bryant. It never leaked a drop anywhere when I was there.
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Post# 19044-6/20/2002-22:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (WP Combo Specs)
MESSAGE: It Came from the WP Combo Service manual Brent. 60 pages to scan, maybe in my retirement :) LOL.
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Post# 19045-6/20/2002-22:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Humidity)
MESSAGE: Scott those old nylon valve have a tendency to have their screw on threads get stripped. You don't need to take off the back to pull out the water valve, you simply need to remove the four screws that hold the valve bracket to the back panel and pull the entire assembly out.
One thing you might want to check is if the hose on the leaky side is slanted on the threads as compared to the other hose. Also if it is leaking at the water valve hose connection you should see water on the outside of the valve too? Anyway, let me know if you need a new valve, I have 100's of them.
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Post# 19046-6/20/2002-23:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: OK, its time for the Mystery Washer Game.
Who can tell me what this is. I purposly blurred out the name brand.
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Post# 19047-6/20/2002-23:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: OK, its time for the Mystery Washer Game.
Who can tell me what this is. I purposly blurred out the name brand.
Duh, this time I included the link...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Mystery-Washer.jpg
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Post# 19048-6/20/2002-23:17 ||| fanfare (Idaho)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Humidity)
MESSAGE: It is not your imagination, ambient humidity does slow down a gas dryer somewhat. In most gas dryers, there is no heat exchanger, the burner heat is ported directly to the drum. One of the by-products of the gas flame is water vapor, and lots of it. (the other is carbon dioxide if the flame is burning completely) If the ambient room humidiy is high, it adds to the water vapor of the flame and subsequently, to the drum. The good part of this, is that very water vapor a gas dryer imparts, make it a much less harsh heat source than an electric element. Clothes dryed in a gas dryer don't suffer as much static cling or friction as in an electric dryer.
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Post# 19049-6/20/2002-23:30 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: Kenmore?
(I'm sure that's wrong.)
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Post# 19050-6/20/2002-23:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Frigidaire water valve situation)
MESSAGE: Thanks! You know, that could be it, right there. I had a devil of a time trying to get the cap and other hose from the unicoupler off, so maybe I messed up the threads in the process. I did take off the four screws, but there's tabs bent into the sheet metal that still seems not to let it completely free. Maybe I just need to try some more "angles" until I get it out. Oh and yes, when you give the machine water, there is water that sits on the little "ledge" directly beneath where the hoses connect. That was my first clue that this was the culprit. After I dried up that water on the floor, I put some water in by hand with a bucket to test and all other functions work perfectly as always and it drains/spins without incident.
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Post# 19051-6/20/2002-23:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: Actually Glenn, that is my guess too. I think it is a late 40s/early 50s Sears boltdown automatic.
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Post# 19052-6/20/2002-23:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Leslie
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie, if you're out there, thanks for your note! I wrote a quick one back; I do try writing you every so often but I get them back unsent every time, I don't know why. If this one gets through I'll write a better one or try reaching you by phone one of these days soon. Great to hear from you!
(Sorry Applianceville, been having trouble connecting with Leslie's email and wanted to make sure I acknolwedged his contact where he could see it, just in case!)
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Post# 19053-6/20/2002-00:23 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: I'll go with Glen and Scott and guess Kenmore also. Although I've never seen one, I remember Sears had an early bolt-down
semi-automatic. Sort of like the Thor and Norge semi-automatics, although those didn't need to be bolted down. It reminds me of the automatic bolt-down Kenmore...the way it looks like a wringer washer without the wringer.
Rich
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Post# 19054-6/21/2002-02:28 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Coin-op boil wash)
MESSAGE: Hey Kirk
Yes, it was the Irish lady I spoke to. She offered me some rich tea biscuits and a cup of tea too! I took the biscuits, but took a can of Coca Cola instead of the tea! Yes, I have seen Spencer commercial washers, my auntie has a holiday home in Twyford, near Slough, and the local launderette there has a mix of Ipso and Spencer washers. These Spencer washers, however, were different from what you described, they had the timer dial, a programme selection dial, and lights for Add Bleach, On and Out of Order. I used these once, and was quite impressed with the way they washed. However, they didn't even seem like the Ipsos, they both had a totally different operation from each other. I think Primus and Ipso washers are very similar, however they are totally different companies, but have a near-same wash cycle sequence as each other. Maybe they buy the same timer from someone, as the mechanical and electronic controls Ipsos and Primus's look very similar.
Jon
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Post# 19055-6/21/2002-02:49 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Vintage Vacuums?)
MESSAGE: Just out of interest Uni, seeing that modern appliances are not allowed in your house, what kind of vacuum have you got?
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Post# 19056-6/21/2002-06:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD GE Dispensall
MESSAGE: I just love it when a POD from the 70s comes up.
Does anyone have these machines? Are they still around? Would be a good collectible if you're collecting 60s and 70s machines (like me).
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Post# 19057-6/21/2002-06:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Interesting)
MESSAGE: Brent, I cried myself to sleep because I knew it was running and I wassn't over there to watch it going. I never ever got to se a complete cycle in the 7 years they lived next door (between the 1960 & 1965 LK combos) because she was always making us kids go outside and play.
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Post# 19058-6/21/2002-07:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, sorry, try again.
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Post# 19059-6/21/2002-07:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: Sorry Scott, and this machine is not a boltdown!
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Post# 19060-6/21/2002-07:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Gas dryers-burners and humidity)
MESSAGE: Scott, humidity in the air affect all dryers, not just gas dryers. It's because humid air is being drawn into the dryer to help the drying process, just adding more moisture. In humid Houston, loads took longer to dry than in drier Central Texas or Dallas where my sister lives or when we had the lake house, loads of towels took less time to dry.
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Post# 19061-6/21/2002-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Well It Looks Like A Front Loader (Vintage Vacuums?)
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh, main Electrolux from the 50's and early 60's.
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Post# 19062-6/21/2002-07:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall
MESSAGE: Oh Jason,
You might want to strap yourself down before pressing the link below.
This scan was done with you in mind.
:)
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/700-800.jpg
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Post# 19063-6/21/2002-07:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Combo Blower)
MESSAGE: Well Robert, thanks for the explanation. You've made sense, that's probably why the blower ran continuously on the LK next door--it was a gas-fired unit.
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Post# 19064-6/21/2002-07:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Robert, that was basically our washer. Knobs looked the same. However, where the "6-cycle" lettering is on the control panel, there was a comparable rocker-switch for soak only and soak-to-wash option. Ours did not have the vari-flex agitator, roto-swirl, but did have the detergent dispenser. Everything else as the same. This must have been the earliest version of the Kenmore 800. I remember ours also had a choice of harvest gold color option.
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Post# 19065-6/21/2002-07:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Robert, Jason and I humbly thank you. I forgot to add one thing in my previous post--"THAT'S MY WASHER!!!!!!!".
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Post# 19066-6/21/2002-08:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: It's and Easy Whirl-Dry...
-ph
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Post# 19067-6/21/2002-08:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall
MESSAGE: I come across those Kenmores all the time! Must have been a populare year to get a Kenmore.
-ph
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Post# 19068-6/21/2002-08:27 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Could have even been a Mutlimatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
It was a solid basket washer, does that mean it wasn't a Rollermatic? I can't be certain, but I would be reasonably confident that perforated basket GM Frigidaires were never sold here. The Frigidaire name disappeared from here for many years, then reappeared as a refrigerator-only name for a while in the eighties, (rebadged F&P's from New Zealand and rebadged mystery ones from Korea), later we had Frigidaire Horizon 2000 TL's for only couple of years, in mid-nineties Gorenje FL's from Yugoslavia were rebadged as Frigidaire (but the manufacturers label on the back still said Gorenje) and now it seems to have disappeared again.
Chris.
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Post# 19069-6/21/2002-08:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall (OMG!)
MESSAGE: That's it!
Actually, mine was like Appnut's with the two rocker switches and Rotoswirl but that's the one! If PeterH or anyone finds a good one within driving distance of New Orleans, I'll come pick it up.
Getting closer and closer to my dream machine.
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Post# 19070-6/21/2002-08:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall
MESSAGE: If you find one in good shape, let me know. I'll pick it up.
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Post# 19071-6/21/2002-08:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: Nice Guess Peter - NOT.
Anyway I think it's time for the next hint.
Lets take a little looksie at the inside
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Mystery-Washer2.jpg
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Post# 19072-6/21/2002-09:03 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: What happened to Philco?
MESSAGE: I had always thought from reading posts here that Philco (US) had long since got out of the Appliance business. A couple of days ago when starting to repair my newly acquired Bendix Washer/dryer (Modern...A 96model) I noticed that the manufacturers label inside the pump filter trapdoor said "BENDIX made by Philco Italia, under license to Philco (US).
Are Philco US still making appliances, if not, what do they do now?
Chris.
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Post# 19073-6/21/2002-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Could have even been a Mutlimatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Well first of all here is the dates of the Frigidaire mechanisms used in North America...
1947-1958 Unimatic-Domestic
1959-1963 Unimatic-Coin-Op
1955-1958 Pulsamatic
1959-1964 Multimatic
1964-1969 Super-Duty Coin-Op (soup'd up Mutlimatic)
1965-1969 Roller-Matic Solid Basket
1970-1976 Roller-Matic Solid Basket Coin-Op
1974-1979 Roller-Matic Perforated Basket Coin-op
1970-1979 Roller-Matic Perforated Basket Redesign
Now what happened down under is another story, I have no idea. I do know that if they made a Frigidaire Solid Basket machine with a water heating system in the early 70's down there, the Australian designs probably were very different.
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Post# 19074-6/21/2002-09:38 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Frigidaire!)
MESSAGE: Robert
Did the Frigidaire in Austraulia come out of General Motors in Austraulia or where?
Peter
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Post# 19075-6/21/2002-10:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Appnutt? Robert? What about the WP Gas Combo you found?)
MESSAGE: Hey Bob, looking forward to meeting you again too!
Louis
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Post# 19076-6/21/2002-10:54 ||| scottdamit (Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: My guess is a old speed queen. But i'm sure it wrong again.
SD
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Post# 19077-6/21/2002-11:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: It's a Philco Gyrofoam...
-ph
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Post# 19078-6/21/2002-11:13 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (Mystery washer)
MESSAGE: Uni
Is the mystery washer a Norge?
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Post# 19079-6/21/2002-11:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: That is a Beam design agitator, center post assy., shaft, etc.
How many machines used Beam components in the early years? Lots and lots........
Was the agitator red? White or chrome cap?
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Post# 19080-6/21/2002-11:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Frigidaire!)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, I have no idea.
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Post# 19081-6/21/2002-11:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: No Scott, but your answer is the closest guess so far.
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Post# 19082-6/21/2002-11:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (Red/Chrome)
MESSAGE: Red with a chrome cap.
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Post# 19083-6/21/2002-11:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Congratulations Peter!
MESSAGE: A big hardy congratulations is in order to PeterH770 for wining probably the most important eBay auction since the beginning of Applianceville. How exciting is this??? You will soon have the only working WI-56 known in existence.
If you need some do’s and don’t tips for when the machine arrives on your door step, before you plug it in, let us know. There are few precautions to take to prevent damaging the machine since its been sitting unused for 16 years.
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Post# 19084-6/21/2002-11:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (Red/Chrome)
MESSAGE: Well then, it must be.........
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Post# 19085-6/21/2002-11:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (YAY Peter!)
MESSAGE: Good for you Peter - your first Unimatic! Hopefully it won't take much to get this running again - you'll never know how you lived without one!
Five dollars! I almost had it! ;-)
A big YAY for www.auctionsniper.com too!
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Post# 19086-6/21/2002-12:15 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (My Guess is)
MESSAGE: A Universal??
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Post# 19087-6/21/2002-12:23 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Gas appliances)
MESSAGE: Brent,
Interesting that you say you have a thing for gas apps. I have fond memories of my grandparents gas refrigerator, so quiet and reliable. When I came to buy a new fridge, I asked about gas to be told that they were not made any more as they were too reliable.
Did you have gas fridges in the US?
Richtoo
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Post# 19088-6/21/2002-12:44 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (I hope that I did not make the name up. : ))
MESSAGE: Brent,
I have replied in Sandbox as I am only speaking about the modern burner.
Richtoo
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/103
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Post# 19089-6/21/2002-12:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (the other WI-56)
MESSAGE: I thought Jon Charles' 56 was working...?
-ph
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Post# 19090-6/21/2002-12:55 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanx a heap guys!
MESSAGE: It is fun learning about apps from teh different countries. In case no one else has said, I must point out that the UK's own venerable Hotpoint TL had not only a heater but a filter flow, could do boil washes and had a fast spin, 1050 if I remember correctly. Mike has one of tehse and Scott has had the pleasure of using it.
Of course, as it was the only decent washer in Hotpoints lineup, they discontinued it.
Richtoo
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Post# 19091-6/21/2002-12:57 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: My guess is 'Easy'
Richtoo
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Post# 19092-6/21/2002-12:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (Nope)
MESSAGE: Jon has two of them, but since they both came off the farm he doesn't have a tub for them. He's been looking into having it reporceleanized (sp?)
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Post# 19093-6/21/2002-13:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (My Guess is)
MESSAGE: Nope, that would have been made by Apex and would have had a bouncing basket.
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Post# 19094-6/21/2002-13:02 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: That looks like either a Norge or a Speed Queen agitator. But I'm still thrown as I wasn't aware either of thos brands made a bolt down!!
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Post# 19095-6/21/2002-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: Nope it's not an Easy Rich.
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Post# 19096-6/21/2002-13:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: It's Not a Bolt-Down Geoff
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Post# 19097-6/21/2002-13:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: My guess is a Beatty.
Louis
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Post# 19098-6/21/2002-13:14 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: Hey Uni, while we are on the 70's kick, do you have any scans or ad's, brochures etc. for Whirlpool around 74-76????
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Post# 19099-6/21/2002-15:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: It's the first WCI Kelvinator...
-ph
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Post# 19100-6/21/2002-15:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: Bob, I did not realize you had laundry at your lake house. What did you have there?
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Post# 19101-6/21/2002-15:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: I'm sure I do somewhere in the paper pile. If I know I have a brochure from the late 70's with the introduction of the WP electronic controls.
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Post# 19102-6/21/2002-15:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (THE ANSWER IS...)
MESSAGE: I think it's time for the answer. This would be a fun machine to find because its an automatic that looks so much like a wringer!
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/TEMP/Mystery-WasherC.jpg
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Post# 19103-6/21/2002-16:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (THE ANSWER IS...)
MESSAGE: Us long term members should have remembered that from the "Agitators-In-The..." picture series. Robert, do you still have that pic online somewhere? It's a monster of an agitator.
-ph
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Post# 19104-6/21/2002-16:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (THE ANSWER IS...)
MESSAGE: That's interesting! Of course the Sears bolt down had a similar appearance, as did the semi-automatic Thor. Notice the style of the "Coronado" logo on the front. When I saw the version with the whited out logo, that was part of what made guess Sears because "Kenmore" was often shown in a similar design on some of their machines.
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Post# 19105-6/21/2002-16:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (Agitators On A Rooftop)
MESSAGE: Oh you mean Agitators On A Rooftop...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Agitators-on-a-Rooftop.jpg
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Post# 19106-6/21/2002-16:59 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall
MESSAGE: PeterH:
I wouldn't say that necessarily. But I do have to say that the Model 800 was a VERY popular Kenmore model. I wanted to mail some copies of the Model 800s that I have in my catalogs to Jason, but he has never e-mailed me with his address. I have two pictures of the Model 800 in my Sears catalogs. I have a picture of a 1969 and a 1971. But unlike the ones Uni has scanned for Jason, none of the Model 800s that I have in my 1969 and 1971 did not have the Vari-Flex agitator like the one "Uni" scanned for Jason, but they sure did have detergent dispensers though. But back then, if you wanted something that is a whole lot better than a BOL Kenmore, but did not quite want to go all the way to get a Lady Kenmore, then a Model 800 was the one to get.
--Charles--
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Post# 19107-6/21/2002-17:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer (2nd Hint)
MESSAGE: I see many posts that I haven't read yet that have probably guessed this correctly, but I am catching up and will just offer a guess for sport. Norge??
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Post# 19108-6/21/2002-17:02 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: Well Uni, if it is not a "bolt-down" Kenmore, then what could it be then??? My thinking is that it has to be an "Easy" wringer, right??
--Charles--
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Post# 19109-6/21/2002-17:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (YAY Peter!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations, Peter on the great score. So rare, so beautiful, lots of luck with it.....
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Post# 19110-6/21/2002-17:46 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Coin-op boil wash)
MESSAGE: Hiya Surge,
LOL - isn't it great to get such a warm welcome, in a launderette of all places? Not every day you get service like that!
I'm not surprised my recollection of the Spencer washers was a bit off-base, as it's been absolutely years since I last saw one - probably mid to late 80s. Come to think of it, I don't know anywhere locally that still has them, although I could be wrong. The ones I saw were always a bright orange colour, very groovy indeed.
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Post# 19111-6/21/2002-18:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Washer
MESSAGE: I tried to email you but it came back saying that your quota is full. I guess you're over your 5mb limit. How dare they! LOL. Anyway, I'll try again later
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Post# 19112-6/21/2002-18:09 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Thanx a heap guys!
MESSAGE: Isn't it a pity that all the good products get dropped, and the garbage lives on? Common sense should really dictate that it should work the other way round, but that theory never seems to make it into practise.
Yesterday, I placed an order for a Hotpoint TL service manual, so I can start brushing up now on the finer points of restoration work. As time goes on, I'm getting ever more interested in the idea of fixing one up from scratch, rather than trying to search for a perfect specimen. Of course, until the time comes when I have more space, it will make great bedtime reading LOL.
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Post# 19113-6/21/2002-18:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: WE had a 1975 or 1976 (I was in college at the time) mid-level Series 70 Kenmore set (not my choice). The large capacity, 3 water tempts (h/w, w/c, cc) 4 water levels (ex lo, med, hi, & ex hi); fs dispenser; and a pre-wash cycle and penta-swirl or penta-vane agitator. Dryer was the smaller drum with the non-full width (plug) door but the auto-dry did have electronic sensor dry and winkle guard II and the loathsome cottons/perm press (high) and knit/delicate (low) temp (no medium-ick) and a 20 minute timed air cycle.
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Post# 19114-6/21/2002-18:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall
MESSAGE: Here Here Charles!!!!! That's why we chose the 800, it had all the features of a LK (with the flexibility of non-buttons) except that it didn't have a 3rd speed ex-slow agitation or the vari-flex agitator. Otherwise it had everything I wanted in a washer. This was the first washer I got to choose for the family. I finally got my way & got a Kenmore. (since Frigidaire was NEVER allowed to even be under consideration).
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Post# 19115-6/21/2002-18:53 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: Somewhere in my collection of old cookbooks, I have one for an Electrolux gas fridge. Also, searching the web for Servel, I found this interesting link.
Many years ago when I lived in Phoenix, Arizona, I knew a guy that had a Servel. It must have been a good 40 years old at that time and still running very strong.
LINK: http://www.servelrefrigerators.com/
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Post# 19116-6/21/2002-18:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter!
MESSAGE: WOW Peter. I'm beside myself. I guess Steve will have to whiz me by both the 'mat AND your house when I fly into Atlanta the weekend b4 the convention. A 56 Frigidaire to me was more elusive than a tower-top, since I've never seen one in my childhood and 55 & 57 Frigidaire I did see in childhood.
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Post# 19117-6/21/2002-18:55 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Killing with Gas!)
MESSAGE: And here's a rather odd follow up link!! I thought I had read somewhere about old gas fridges that can cause problems.
LINK: http://www.esafety.com/esafety_cfmfiles/esafety.cfm?N=804
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Post# 19118-6/21/2002-19:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: Was that the icky black ones with the dial in the center, or the last of the "cool" ones?
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Post# 19119-6/21/2002-19:29 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall (Kenmore 800 Dryer)
MESSAGE: Now guys, would you believe that this Kenmore dryer is still in use by one of the garages I work in?
Kenmore 800 Avocado gas dryer.
Maybe in one of the garages that I may visit within the next few weeks or years may have an kenmore 800 Washer.
You never know?
I may snatch that one up!
For a small price or a trade in....
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Post# 19120-6/21/2002-20:08 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (the other WI-56)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Peter, I'm glad you won the bid. Will you ship craters and freighters? They delivered my 51 GE to Seattle with utmost care. I just picked it up today from the warehouse and took it home to Canada. The tranny's frozen though and no, that's not because it's in Canada now :-)
Eddy
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Post# 19121-6/21/2002-22:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: Oh NO, the icy black ones with the dials in the center. YUCK. For the first 3 yers of this pair's existence, we still had the 800 at home and I thought, there's no comparison, I felt the 800 washed better and looked better and made more interesting sounds.
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Post# 19122-6/21/2002-22:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD GE Dispensall (Kenmore 800 Dryer)
MESSAGE: My mom's best friend form childhood had the 800 dryer that matched our washer and she had the 700 washer that is pictured above the 800 in Robert's scan. I deeply wanted her to trade us our old Norge (1964) dryer so we'd have a matched set.
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Post# 19123-6/21/2002-22:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (Eddy your collection is growing)
MESSAGE: Hey Eddy, what other machines have you added other than the 51 GFE that we ahven't seen? New pics please when convenient, if appropro.
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Post# 19124-6/21/2002-22:51 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (Eddy your collection is growing)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, actually not much lately. The GE is one I purchased from John L and had it shipped out. I'm grateful to him for selling it to me. Pictures to come for sure. It's identical to Robert's 51 GE, but will definitely need work done and a proper restoration but I think I'm up for it with a little help from the club. I'll keep you all informed of the progress.
Eddy
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Post# 19125-6/21/2002-23:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Icky Kenmores)
MESSAGE: I will agree that most of the "black-face" Kenmores were boring and cheapened, no-style look alikes, but the TOL machines were pretty. I saw one at the thrift store the other day that was one step down from a LK with a dial for soak, wash & 2nd rinse options, the pop-open detergent dispenser triangle box(that was missing) that hung in the left back corner of the opening and electric dispensers for softener and bleach. It was in beautiful, clean condition and was actually quite attractive. Most of those black-face ones are pretty rough, the control panel graphics are usually half peeled and blistered away and the tops have oodles of rust everywhere.
I remember being mad about not getting a KM with the Penta-Swirl (I loved those agitators) when we replaced the '72 GE with the BOL Maytag in '81. I soooo wanted something different that the boring Maytags I'd seen forever. There weren't a lot of other great washer options at the time, I was never impressed with the Norge family, of course not the GE family and then there was the whole Frigidaire/WCI resentment thing....
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Post# 19126-6/21/2002-23:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (24"
Dryer too)
MESSAGE: Another interesting thing I saw at the thrift the other day was a black-face panel 24" Kenmore dryer. It would have matched the 24" washers with the full cabinet and panel, but it was fun to see the "Baby Kenmore" dryer, I'd never seen one before. Inside it was identical in size & design to the portable dryers.
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Post# 19127-6/21/2002-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (Eddy your collection is growing)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy! Glad to hear you got the GE safe and sound. I can't wait to see some pics of the restoration - that is a very interesting machine and mechanism. Did you get the boot for it? Keep us posted with lots of details! Good to hear from you - take care.
Greg
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Post# 19128-6/21/2002-23:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Agitators on a Rooftop
MESSAGE: OK guys - Robert posted the picture again and it's been a while since we've done this, let's play the game again. Give the new members a chance to make some guesses before giving all the answers for those who remember them from before.
For each number, give the machine brand and approximate year the agitator was used.
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Post# 19129-6/21/2002-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitators on a Rooftop
MESSAGE: Here's the link to the picture again...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Agitators-on-a-Rooftop.jpg
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Post# 19130-6/21/2002-23:30 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Killing with Gas!)
MESSAGE: A CO alarm would probably be a very good idea with a gas fridge.
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Post# 19131-6/21/2002-23:48 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: I agree wholeheartedly. I think the roto-swirl type agitators were the best match for the belt driven machines. I can't put my finger on exactly what it is, but there are definitely sounds and nuances, as you say, that are different with the earlier machines than by the time they got to the ugly ducklings, as I refer to them.
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Post# 19132-6/21/2002-23:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Icky Kenmores)
MESSAGE: Part of the reason the control panels are so bad on the more recent machines is because you had a generation of women using aerosol Shout and Spray n Wash and spraying it all over creation, and it just eats that stuff up, and the non-porcelain tops, if you're not careful and don't take care of it like most women don't, you're in trouble there too. My guess is (does anyone know) that the ugly duckling Kenmores were the first line that no longer had porcelain tops and lids on all models?
There was a BOL 72 Sears set when we first got this house (today it would be called Galaxy, or Capri, or some such thing) and even that had a porcelain top. It was a 29" machine and had a dark tub and harvest gold straight vane agitator. It either had a self cleaning filter or none at all as there was no filter in the top.
The very first place we looked at in this complex was being sold by its original owner, and it had an upper middle line 72 Kenmore set in immaculate condition. That would definitely have been a keeper.
I have only seen a Penta Swirl agitator in pictures. Did they have a good wash action? I always thought the "Dual Action" agitator was a mis-match for the belt driven machines. The Roto-Swirl seemed better to me.
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Post# 19133-6/21/2002-23:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitators on a Rooftop
MESSAGE: What fun to bring back the game for a whole new generation! I have to admit it was fun earlier today being stumped on that mystery washer too! :)
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Post# 19134-6/21/2002-23:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Peter! (Eddy your collection is growing)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on that great machine Eddy! Those are very unique, fun units!
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Post# 19135-6/22/2002-04:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Icky Kenmores)
MESSAGE: I'm missing the Speed Queens, weren't they appealing in 1981?
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Post# 19136-6/22/2002-05:00 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link, I shall have fun checking it out.
Richtoo
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Post# 19137-6/22/2002-05:10 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitators on a Rooftop
MESSAGE: OK,
I'll try some.
5 Norge burp-o-lator 65?
3 ABC, maybe Kelvinator 59?
I recognise 1 & 2 but can't remember them, pure guess, 1 Whirlpool 68, 2 Hotpoint 63.
4 does not look like it would achieve much in teh way of results, a rather minimalist agitator, Maytag 57?
Probably embarrasing myself with these gueses.
Richtoo
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Post# 19138-6/22/2002-06:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Frigidaire in Aus.)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter
Yes, the Aus GM Frigidaires were made by Holden, which is the Australian market name for GM cars. The controls were labelled "Frigidaire, a Division of General Motors-Holden".
They were even assembled in the same factory that manufactured Holden cars, at Dandenong. The Dandenong factory is now closed (washers sometime in the early seventies, cars in late eighties or early nineties) but the buildings are still there, unused.
I worked in Dandenong for fifteen years, about three or four kilometres down the road, on the same road.
Chris.
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Post# 19139-6/22/2002-07:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Frigidaire in Aus.)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter
Yes, the Aus GM Frigidaires were made by Holden, which is the Australian market name for GM cars. The controls were labelled "Frigidaire, a Division of General Motors-Holden".
They were even assembled in the same factory that manufactured Holden cars, at Dandenong. The Dandenong factory is now closed (washers sometime in the early seventies, cars in late eighties or early nineties) but the buildings are still there, unused.
I worked in Dandenong for fifteen years, about three or four kilometres down the road, on the same road.
Chris.
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Post# 19140-6/22/2002-07:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: My fridge is an Electrolux (Dometic) gas one.
It is quite old, probably late sixties/early seventies.
I found it at the rubbish tip (garbage dump), I gave the attendant $5 for it. The electric element in it was gone so it only works on gas, which is what I wanted anyway.
It was in rough condition, but I resprayed the panels, it has a laminex top and front which I replaced with new blue laminex.
The pipework on the back was filthy and had surface rust so I cleaned it up and resprayed the exposed pipework with high-temperature paint. I also replaced the fibreglass insulation around the burner and flue. It now works and looks like new. And yes, I cleaned the burner and flue.
Chris.
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Post# 19141-6/22/2002-08:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitators on a Rooftop (Good try!)
MESSAGE: You've done pretty well with the brands, the years are the hard part though...
Keep guessing guys!
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Post# 19142-6/22/2002-08:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Frigidaire in Aus.)
MESSAGE: How interesting, does anyone have any of the old service inforomation for Frigidaire-Holden appliances? Maybe if we had some of that to compare, we could narrow down some of the designs.
It would be interesting to see the recirculation system for heating the water, I would imagine they would have used something similar in design to the suds saving systems we had here, but with an overflow of a couple of gallons water to recirculate back into the wash tub as the water was heated. I'm sure we asked this before, but how long did it take to do a "hot" wash in one of these machines?
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Post# 19143-6/22/2002-09:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitators on a Rooftop (Good try!)
MESSAGE: 6 is that Coronado machine that Uni posted a few days ago.
What? No Roto Swirl? :-(
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Post# 19144-6/22/2002-10:39 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: I thought the super surgilator agitator on my '83 Whirlpool did a great job of turning over the laundry load.
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Post# 19145-6/22/2002-10:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitators on a Rooftop
MESSAGE: Looks like an asphalt roof with at most a 25 year warranty.
;-)
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Post# 19146-6/22/2002-10:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Fun with Adobe Premiere
MESSAGE: Here's another experiment of mine with a slideshow.
The Kenmore fanatics will love this one :-)
Right click, save as...
LINK: http://members.cox.net/rotoswirl/videos/classics.wmv
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Post# 19147-6/22/2002-11:18 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere
MESSAGE: Very nice, Jason! Was that Dionne W.?
Perhaps another show set to the tune of "Wash On By" would be fun! ;-)
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Post# 19148-6/22/2002-12:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere
MESSAGE: Nope. That was Jackie DeShannon singing the classic Burt Bacharach tune What The World Needs Now (is a Kenmore 800)
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Post# 19149-6/22/2002-12:38 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitators on a Rooftop
MESSAGE: OK. Whirlpool 18 pound, Speed Queen, GE, Kelvinator, Norge, and that Coronado. As far as years Whirlpool is late 60's, and the rest are mid 50's i believe, im really not sure of the exact ages.
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Post# 19150-6/22/2002-12:42 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: My super surgilator on my '74 is gargantuan. it is almost impossible to bog these agitators down they are very powerful circulators..
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Post# 19151-6/22/2002-13:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: Yes, I rue the day I donated that washer to charity, although I am somewhat consoled to think that it helped some needy family.
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Post# 19152-6/22/2002-14:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Icky Kenmores)
MESSAGE: Penta-Swirl agitators didn't move the load around very well. For a full load of towels, I'd definitely set it for 14 minutes. Combined with the loose suspension system, the towels would sometimes converge to most of one side of the tub and sometimes the OOB would sound while in the middle of agitation!!!!! Wash action was so "gentle" I doubt today I'd use the gentle cycle for much of anything. On smaller water levels it had much better roll-over though.
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Post# 19153-6/22/2002-17:23 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: My pal has a 27 year old Bedford campervan, which still has the original Electrolux fridge. This one works on gas, and can be switched to 12v DC while driving. Despite its age, it's probably one of the most efficient fridges I've ever seen - gets really cold, really fast.
Oh, and this one has a rather 70s laminated front, although it doesn't look out of place. The campervan used to be owned by travellers, who decked out the whole of the interior with quilted corduroy and tassels galore, so the fridge blends in rather well.
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Post# 19154-6/22/2002-21:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason I really enjoyed that! I like that song too...very apropo for today as well as in its time, and it takes you back to when a lot of these machines were new...
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Post# 19155-6/22/2002-21:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere
MESSAGE: Wow..I thought it was Dionne too...
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Post# 19156-6/22/2002-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: I would agree with that too....the surgilator is a very close cousin IMHO to the Sears roto-swirl. A standard one piece agitator seems to do much better in the belt drive machines. I don't think Whirlpool ever did use the 2 piece design in their belt drive machines.
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Post# 19157-6/22/2002-00:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: I took a hunting trip to a little town in Iowa that I was told had a lot of old washers around. It was a good trip that yielded a 55 Filtrator dryer. There are several more machines I'll be going back for, not real rare finds, but pretty good nonetheless. I did see more Hoover washers (and Maytag porta-washers) than I've ever seen in my life, a Hoover full size dryer which is very rare and a couple of other neat things. I took a bunch of pictures and posted them in a yahoo album. I won't leave these up forever as they take up too much space, but they are fun to look at - come hunting with me!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/June+2002+Iowa+Hunting&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/June%2b2002%2bIowa%2bHunting%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19158-6/22/2002-00:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere
MESSAGE: Very cool Jason! I have a screen saver with lots of photos and ads in it, but no music!
I wish I could find a shareware program to use video/audio clips for a screensaver - I'd have all the Frigidaire commercials and promo films running all the time.
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Post# 19159-6/22/2002-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (not THAT bad....)
MESSAGE: The one I had wasn't bad, but wasn't doing huge loads with it then anyway. I loved the graceful look of them more than anything else.
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Post# 19160-6/22/2002-00:52 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Icky Kenmores)
MESSAGE: I never saw either a Penta-Swirl or Penta-Vane in action.
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Post# 19161-6/22/2002-00:58 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: What is that rotary control on the top-right of several Maytag consoles?
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Post# 19162-6/22/2002-01:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: Rinse water temperature
Those washers were exactly like the 62 set I had in turquoise
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Post# 19163-6/23/2002-02:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: My parents have a caravan which they bought in 1979. It also has one of those Electrolux fridges. It works on 230V, 12V or on gas. On gas it indeed gets cold very fast, I was quite impressed the first time we used it on gas. This one has a laminated front too, it blends in with the rest of cupboards.
Louis
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Post# 19164-6/23/2002-02:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, what a source of treasures that is. The 55 Filtrator looks good, does it need work?
What are you going back for?
This is the first time I saw a picture of a full size Hoover dryer. I can't recall these were discussed here. Did those dryers have mathings washers as well?
Thanks for sharing these pictures, they're really great.
Louis
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Post# 19165-6/23/2002-03:14 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Hooverboy is Excited!)
MESSAGE: Did that Hoover Dryer have a matching washer?
Would love to see that!
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Post# 19166-6/23/2002-06:22 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Lake house laundry?)
MESSAGE: Probably true, but I don't remember that the Roto-Swirl agitator did a great job of turnover with full loads. It seemed that it did an OK job on smaller loads, but on a full load, the clothes at the top of the tub didn't really move and the clothes at the bottom got a thorough cleaning. Of course the difference is clear when you look at the Easy "Spiralator" or the 1980's GE Activators. On those models, the agitator fins went the whole length of the agitator from top to bottom, while on the roto swirl, the fins were only near the bottom. If I remember correctly, the Kenmores with roto swirl never got very high marks for washing ability.......
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Post# 19167-6/23/2002-06:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: Greg - Great pictures and what interesting finds!! I have never seen a full size Hoover washer or dryer before - I suspect they were not around very long. That Frigidaire dryer was a beauty also - looks like the cabinet is in very good condition. SO, exactly what will you be taking home???????????
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Post# 19168-6/23/2002-07:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (the jewel of the stash)
MESSAGE: Was that the timer of a Kenmore 800 peering at me through the junk? That must be a mid 60s model 800. Still a wonderful machine.
That Frigidaire dryer looks awesome! That one matches Uni's 55 washer.
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Post# 19169-6/23/2002-07:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (not THAT bad....)
MESSAGE: IMHO I still think the best rollover for a back-and-forth agitator is from a Rotoswirl. Those deep spirals cutting through the water. Uni has a video somewhere of his Lady K running. That one has a Rotoswirl and if you watch closely. The power stroke (direction of the spirals) just sucks the clothes under. My mom's K800 had the same action. When she got the Whirlpool Surgilator >:-( it didn't have the same pulling action.
I've never watched a Penta-Swirl before. I kind don't like them because it looks almost like a mockery of the original. Kenmore cutting costs and killing the classics!
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Post# 19170-6/23/2002-08:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Hoover Dryer and Choices)
MESSAGE: I knew that Hoover dryer would make a "splash!" By the tidbits of info the owner had given me, and the many, many Hoover twin-tub washers about, I had figured there probably had been Hoover automatics around there at some point. He said there was no Hoover full size washers (and I saw none, and I looked in every nook and cranny!) but he had sold a few of them, but they were only around for a couple of years before Hoover quit selling them. I would loved to have found a set of them, they are Blackstone made and very rare in this part of the country. This guy was a Maytag fan from day one and nearly ALL the parts he had were for Maytag machines, there was a little stuff for 70's Speed Queens, but otherwise all Maytag. Anyone want a Maytag wringer?
I think what I will go back for in the next couple of weeks is the 2 AMC Kelvinator washers for sure and possibly the 66 Frigidaire washer, although it's not a Rapidry so that's a toss up. I will probably get the 55 Filtrator out if someone wants one and that's about it for me. I wouldn't mind the little AMP Maytag washer, but we'll see. I don't have any room for all those Frigidaire dryers, and most of them with exception of the 55 Filtrator would have to be carried out over the top of a panel van and piles of stuff. The other washers I want are nearer the back door, but it will still take a couple of hours to get a path made just to get to them. I was great fun climbing around in the warehouse looking for what might be there.
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Post# 19171-6/23/2002-08:29 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Reset Button on the Vintage Machines. Why? (Frigidaire in Aus.)
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky1,
I don't have any frigidaire service info, I will try to chase some. There were a couple of the big Frigidaire specialist repairers still in business up to when I moved from Melbourne, if we're lucky they may still be around. Muirs, who serviced my Mum's washer all those years ago, is still around, now just a general washer repairer, not specializing an any brand. I think Frigicrest may still be around too, maybe under a different name by now.
Our washer was the "deluxe" which didn't have a heater, my guess would be that it would have a manual heater with no thermostat, to heat water before the wash begins. You would heat the water before any agitation usually. It would have a 2400 watt heater which is the maximum capacity of a standard Aussie power outlet. As a guess only, you might have to heat the water in the outer tub, then when agitation commences it might pump the (now hot)water into the inner tub. These heater-equipped models would be only a TOL model, the vast majority would have been sold without a heater.
Chris.
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Post# 19172-6/23/2002-08:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: EEk that interior sounds, um, like the 70's laminated front would blend in well!!!
Mine had a vile fake-woodgrain front including glued-on timber beading (allegedly decorative) with a gold stripe around the edge. I have changed it to plain old blue and white, the laminate is the colour I will paint the cupboard doors when I re-do the kitchen (yellow walls, blue doors, white trim, light grey laminex benchtops. One day...
Chris.
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Post# 19173-6/23/2002-08:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (For a good thrashing...)
MESSAGE: When I had that 60's Whirlpool hooked up, I used the Surgilator, super-Surgilator, a Vari-Flex and a Roto-Swirl in it to see which of those I liked the best. If you look closely and maybe even measure the agitators, most of the "power" vanes come all the way up to the top of the water line which I thought was unnecessary in the earlier, smaller tubs. I thought they were all fairly harsh agitators, but the best turn over was achieved with the Surgilators and the Vari-Flex. The Roto-Swirl wasn't bad, it was kind of a dual motion - suck under on the backstroke and lifting up on the forward stroke. That agitator was around for many years and did get the clothes clean, but I thought there were more gentle options. I always liked the Whirlpool washer (with any agitator) for heavily soiled stuff - nothing like a good thrashing to get out grass stains!
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Post# 19174-6/23/2002-08:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: Hi Gansky1.
They are some great old machines you've found there.
Number 15, the Frigidaire - about what year would that be? That is quite similar to our old one. The timer knob is the same, with that hole through the top. Ours had brown and silver panel, the temp selector was buttons.
That Hoover Dryer (made by Blackstone) looks reminiscent of the Hoover 500 series washers which were VERY popular here, and evolved into the 600, 700 and 800 series.
Uni (or anyone), would it be possible to post a pic of the transmission ot layout/innards of a Blackstone washer?? I wouldn't be surprised if the Aus Hoovers turned out to be Blackstones. Blackstones were not sold here, and I believe that the Aussie brands Hoover and Simpson) were actually overseas (probably US) designs.
That Hoover Twin tub, what year would that be? The brown says "70's" to me, but by that time the later design Hoover twin was in production here, whereas the one in the pic is the earlier design.
Chris.
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Post# 19175-6/23/2002-09:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: That Frigidaire in #15 is a 1966
Here is a scan of the Blackstone innards - it is for a solid basket 60's machine as that is as new as my info gets. The Hoover would probably have been a perforated basket washer, but I think the mechanics would have been very similar.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.src=ph&.dnm=Blackstone+Detail.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/New%2bpics%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19176-6/23/2002-09:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Hoover Twin Tubs)
MESSAGE: I believe those brown (and some white) Hoover twinnies were from about the mid to late 60's. There were lots of them around the place and the owner's wife told me they almost all needed pumps which are no longer available. She said they still have calls for them now and again, her mother used one for years out on the farm as they had a septic sewer system that wasn't large enough to handle the amount of water from an automatic.
Did you notice the brand new Hoover portable dryer and Maytag porta-dryers still in the boxes?
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Post# 19177-6/23/2002-09:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Looks like a match)
MESSAGE: That certainly looks like a family resemblance.
Thr Hoover 500 series (the first Hoover Auto TL's in Aus) were perforated basket but there are some clues in your pic.
- That electrical connector where the top mounts on the cabinet - Hoover did that, other local assembled machines just wired right through, no "separatable" connector.
-The layout of the pump/motor/transmission pulley is the same.
-The pump looks the same.
-the transmission pulley looks the same.
The shape of the transmission casing looks about right.
BUT . . . The layout of how the transmission sits on the base plate looks different (the "pivot" area)
In the diagram it appears the transmission is up between the outer tub and the basket (?) whereas the Hoover has the transmission under the outer tub. I will try to find an equivalent diagram for a Hoover to clarify. (I don't have one myself)
Thanks for your effort Greg.
Chris.
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Post# 19178-6/23/2002-10:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Hoover Twin Tubs)
MESSAGE: I hadn't noticed them so I went back for a look. That's amazing.
They are quite different to the Aus ones but I think I know why. The earlier Aus ones were derived from the UK Hoover ones - they were sold as a match to the Hoover 455 Front Loader washer, which was fully imported from UK (Wales). The next Hoover FL washer here was basically the same machine put into local production, but simplified to suit local tastes - heater became optional, no dispenser drawer, cheap looking stick-on control markings replaced good looking screen printed ones.
The dryer at that point became locally made too, using a design from Fisher and Paykel. F&P were not available in Aus yet.
The F&P had been available rebadged to several local brands (Narta, GE) fully imported from NZ, Hoovers was the only one made in Aus but it was initially identical (parts interchangeable). Hoovers one evolved over time to become quite different to the F&P one, they are now rivals on the market.
Chris
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Post# 19179-6/23/2002-10:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Hoover Twin Tubs)
MESSAGE: Those pumps are still available in Aus, and in UK too I would guess. They are very cheap, too.
Chris.
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Post# 19180-6/23/2002-10:18 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: What a wonderful day you had. And all of those Maytags too. Of course your'e in Iowa. At one time you could find places out west here that were full of good stuff but anymore they (city, county agencies) make the appliance guys send them off to recycle. The last big one locally here went last year. I got plenty of old parts from that place for free to keep friends and familys machines going. Good luck with the Frigidaire. That looks to be an awsome machine. Wow, it is so exciting to see there are still machines to find.
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Post# 19181-6/23/2002-13:51 ||| Ricky (durham england UK)
SUBJECT: 1965 bendix washer dryer sold in great britain help wanted!!
MESSAGE: can anyone help? to recreate a 50's 60's look to my kitchen and match my other period appliances i was delighted to find a 1965 bendix washer dryer (front loader). This appliance although nearly 50 yrs old had never been connected or unpacked since the day it was delivered, it has its original hoses leaflets taps and even free box of of skip soap (lever brothers UK). i got it home and fired it up and it seems to work very well it has cleaned up like new ,it needed the solenoids cleaning to stop a buzzing sound and the filter tray tightening to stop a drip, This must have been a rare and expensive machine as most people in the sixites in britain used washers (if at all) with a wringer!! Twin tubs were still going untill the 80's!!.
I need help with a technical question. This machine has one motor permanently connected to a pump and a gearbox which is connected to the drum and dryer fan. Solenoids kick in to divert wash water away and shut off air vents for the dryer, and to push the gearbox in to full spin speed. However when the washer is in soak wash or spin mode the gearbox is driving the drum AND fan continuosly, as the air vent is shut to prevent water being sucked through the dryer side, the machine makes a windy howling noise it is not excessive but disconnecting the fan belt makes the machine a lot quieter, so my question is is there a fault in the gearbox and really the fan gear and pulley should only be going in dryer mode or should the drum and fan be running all the time as it is at the moment. I have washed and dried a few loads and all seems well. I would like to use this as my main machine as it looks fab it has american patents is not a condensing model.
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Post# 19182-6/23/2002-14:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1965 bendix washer dryer sold in great britain help wanted!!
MESSAGE: Ricky,
Can't help you with the technical question (other than imagining perhaps a rubber part has gotten too hard), but congrats on such a find... a mint condition in-the-box '65 washer of any brand is rare find! I would love to see some photos of the original boxing and the washer.
I'm sure someone in this club will have direct experience with a Bendix combo unit of that vintage.
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Post# 19183-6/23/2002-15:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere (How Fun!)
MESSAGE: Jason that was just adorable! Thank you for all your wonderful contributions to the club.
May I add that to our video section? Its just too much fun to not to have saved in the library!
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Post# 19184-6/23/2002-15:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Icky Kenmores)
MESSAGE: You're Kidding Bob? I have never heard of a washer going unbalanced during the wash cycle. That's one for the "Washer Books" :-}
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Post# 19185-6/23/2002-15:42 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: So, how did you run across this place, and how could I get ahold of them for one of those Frigidaires? It also looks like a good place to find parts for wringers.
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Post# 19186-6/23/2002-15:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: Great picture Greg, hey that's my stove in there! Congrats on your Filtrator, it looks MINT as Jetcone would say. Are you going to take that 101 Maytag AMP? Oh and does that earlier AMP have the toe plate?
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Post# 19187-6/23/2002-15:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere (How Fun!)
MESSAGE: Sure, you can add it to the videos. If I had more 60s/70s pics I could do the whole song. I was going through the pics I've collected and just thought "Hey, this would make a cool slideshow". Load 'em into Premiere, drop in a Bacharach mp3 and voila! I have my portable Kenmore videos ready to upload. Can you email me with username/password for your ftp site so I upload them?
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Post# 19188-6/23/2002-16:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1965 bendix washer dryer sold in great britain help wanted!!
MESSAGE: Hi Ricky,
First of all congrats on you're beautiful find. That sounds wonderful. I have a few questions since I don't know how different Bendix UK is compared to Philco-Bendix US.
1 Is it Gas or Electric?
2. Is there any connection (or solenoid) to the fan belt that would lead you to believe that it could be disabled during the wash tumble period?
By the way, my both my Bendix and Whirlpool combos are the loudest of all the machines in my collection.
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Post# 19189-6/23/2002-17:30 ||| nmaineman36 (Portland Maine)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: Hey Greg..where in Iowa is that place??? I am going to be in Omaha for the 3 week in September and I would love to have that on a trip agenda. My gawd I never saw so much stuff in my life and I maybe would want to bring some things to Maine with me. Great pics!!
MIke
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Post# 19190-6/23/2002-17:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Fun with Adobe Premiere (How Fun!)
MESSAGE: Videos are uploaded. Have fun.
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Post# 19191-6/23/2002-18:21 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: 1965 bendix washer dryer sold in great britain help wanted!!
MESSAGE: Wow my favorite machines. If I rememeber right the blower only comes on when the dryer cycle kicks in. So, since it seems to run in the soak it either hasn't disengaged in the tranny or timer isn't allowing the solenoid to open up. Also gummy transmission fluid could cause this to stick until it heated up enough to let go. You can drain tranny and refill. Plug on bottom to drain and a little fill spout on the top with a black cap. These machines are very noisy. A high pitched spin and the blower had quite a howl to them. Have a great time using this machine. They were really remarkable for their time.
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Post# 19192-6/23/2002-18:30 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Louis,
As ever, it's a case of the simplest ideas working best. We had to take the fridge out in the middle of our last holiday, as we couldn't get it to light, and I was amazed at how simple the design is. Once we'd cleaned the burner, it was running better than ever, and had to be turned down a little to stop it freezing the milk!
My pal's caravan fridge is gas/12V only, but my cousin has a newer one which runs on 230V as well. Gas seems to work best of all, however, and it's surprising how little they use.
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Post# 19193-6/23/2002-18:44 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: LOL - it is rather unusual, to say the least. My jaw dropped the very first time I saw it, but it actually suits the van's character quite well. The previous owners must have spent weeks putting all those tassels up.
My pal has offered me the fridge when the campervan dies, to stash beer in - I've always wanted a fridge in the lounge :o) Like you, I'll go the laminate route, and also fabricate an outer casing for it to hide the "guts" at the back. Wire up a 12V power supply, and viola!
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Post# 19194-6/23/2002-19:25 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1965 bendix washer dryer sold in great britain help wanted!! (That is amazing!)
MESSAGE: Wow,
What a find!
Please tell us more about it and provide pictures if you can.
How did you come about it?
I think that I would just flip if I was walking in a store and stumbled across something like that! I would have to pinch myself.
I think that the noise level of these machines is just a mild trade-off for those of us who don't have one.
Brent
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Post# 19195-6/23/2002-19:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Question about GE in pic-o-the day?
MESSAGE: I know this may sound like a silly question, but I have always wondered about this.
In the picture of the machine you can see the motor, and where the drive belt connects to the motor. Since childhood, I have always wondered what purpose if any does the rubber that resembles a fan serve on the motor?
Please help my inner child.
I hope everyone had a great weekend!
Brent
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Post# 19196-6/23/2002-19:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1965 bendix washer dryer sold in great britain help wanted!! (That is amazing!)
MESSAGE: This one of my favorite fantasies - that I happen to stumble on one of my "dream machines"(brand new of course)and can take it home to use with little or no work involved. So dreams do come true!!!!
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Post# 19197-6/23/2002-19:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: Hey Mike - nice to see you posting. Have missed you over the past few months. Hope all is well "down east".
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Post# 19198-6/23/2002-19:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about GE in pic-o-the day?
MESSAGE: It's the flexible coupling for the pump. Check out the link on Howstuffworks. There's a picture of the real thing.
LINK: http://www.howstuffworks.com/washer4.htm
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Post# 19199-6/23/2002-19:44 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Question about GE in pic-o-the day? (Thanks Jason!)
MESSAGE: How simple.
It makes so much sense.
I need to get some machines to tear down to figure all of this out myself.
Thanks for the cool link also.
Brent
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Post# 19200-6/23/2002-19:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds
MESSAGE: What a fun day that must have been...is this a functioning store, or one that's closing up and cleaning out? That Frigidaire dryer is just beautiful. I have never seen an avacado green wringer washer, that was kind of fun, LOL. Looks like you found one orbital Kelvinator; are you going to pick that up, maybe for parts?
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Post# 19201-6/23/2002-20:45 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: Hi Kirk,
If you do get custody of that gas fridge, can you feed it gas rather than 12v? They are really designed for gas, they are really inefficient on electricity, especially on 12v. They would cost three or four times to run on electricity what a conventional compressor-type fridge would cost. On 12v the element will virtually never switch off. On gas they are very clever, the flame has hi and low controlled by a thermostat, when it gets warm inside the flame is boosted to High, when it is cool inside again theflame drops back to a very low one, just enough to keep it refrigerating a bit. On Electric the element is either on or off, it cycles via a thermostat, which is very inefficient for absorption fridges. The cooling is done by a reaction which is best kept constantly going, on electric it cycles off and the reaction dies down, when the electric element comes on again it takes a while to get the reaction going again which accounts for why they are so inefficient on electric.
Also canyou go over to the sandbox/hamper,I'd like to ask you about the Bedford van.
Chris.
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Post# 19202-6/23/2002-20:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (maybe a plate of cookies.....)
MESSAGE: I recognized your stove and wondered what parts you were looking for out on the farm, but this guy was a little skiddish about a washer nut taking all of his treasures - you know how this goes. I think it will take a couple more times of reassuring him that I'm not trying to take the shirt off his back and honest dealing before he'll loosen up. He was totally shocked that I actually showed up yesterday and wanted some of these machines. I'm sure this is all new to him, so it may take a little "stroking" to get him to trust me before he'll "open the store" so to speak. I felt lucky to get the 55 dryer and my 2 (yes TWO) parts - he wouldn't let me in the parts room yet. I had to so some of this with my Launderall dealer here in Omaha before I got the "security clearance" to get in the back room.
I don't know about the Maytag AMP toe plate, the warehouse was so full of stuff, I couldn't even get very close to the machines. It will take a few hours of digging and moving stuff just to get a path into the machines I want, IF I can get back in! I'm going to go back up in a couple of weeks so we'll see how it goes.
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Post# 19203-6/23/2002-20:52 ||| kirk280980 (Lincoln UK)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: Hiya Chris,
I hadn't thought about that, but now it all makes sense. Running on gas would be ideal, but there's the issue of ventilation to worry about. Perhaps something for me to think about when the time comes.
On my way to the sandbox...
Kirk
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Post# 19204-6/23/2002-21:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: Those little 12v fridges with suck a car battery dead before you know it. It was a hot day a few years ago and I was driving my VW to a car show. I had my Coleman 12v cooler pre-chilled the night before and I put cold drinks in it for the 4 hour drive. I put the fridge in the back seat, started the Bug and plugged it in. No problems for the 4 hour drive at all. Stupid me left the thing plugged in thinking I could drive home and have cold Cokes... WRONG! The battery quickly died and I required a push start. oops.
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Post# 19205-6/23/2002-21:41 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Hoover 500.)
MESSAGE: If I remember correctly, Uni had a blackstone photo album of which the 1974 line looks very familiar.
Our Hoover of course had a lint filter at the rear of the tub Westinghouse style rather than the GE style filter flo pan.
Hoover was by far and away the number one washer brand in the 70's. Now they come in at number 3. Simpson has hung onto its number 2 spot nearly all its life!
I have a feeling hte early simpson machines might have been the beam design, I have that feeling from the agitators and spin tub, but the later models were definately their own design, no one else makes a machine that looks similar.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/blackstone600/lst?.dir=/1974+Blackstone+Sales+Literature&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 19206-6/23/2002-21:44 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: More Hoover 500.
MESSAGE: Here is a picture of the Hoover 500 from my Choice 1971 Album.
This machine was TOL model.
LINK: http://au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/arrrooohhh/vwp?.dir=/Choice+1971&.src=ph&.dnm=Hoover.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//au.photos.yahoo.com/bc/arrrooohhh/lst%3f%26.dir=/Choice%2b1971%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19207-6/23/2002-21:47 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (Hoover Twin Tubs)
MESSAGE: Thats really interesting what you say Gizmo about the Hoover dryer, gizmo.
Dryers really are not an essential item in a lot of Aussie laundrys. In fact most people I know have a dryer in the garage which only gets used in emergencies like wet weather.
I am surprized thought that there isnt more competition in the dryer market however. I would of thought that Samsung and LG would have dryers to go with their washers and sell them at a good price.
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Post# 19208-6/23/2002-21:51 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Gizmos Simpsons
MESSAGE: I havent responded about your Delta S model restoration.
That is so cool. Maybe you can even take pictures and Uni can open a Simpson wing to the musuem. That would make my heart beat with pride!
My mum had a Delta 10. i remember so clearly being in Waltons and pleading with mum to get a Whirlpool but no, she was going to get a Delta 10 because my Aunty had one and said it was a good machine.
It would take another 18 years till a whirlpool would grace our laundry.
Anyway I would like to see one of the rocker switch Simpsons preserved. they were lovely to look at, the blue coloured ones more so than the later brown ones, but whos complaining as long as one is preserved!
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Post# 19209-6/23/2002-21:51 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (car coolers)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason,
Those 12v coolers are quite different to the gas/12v fridges. They use a thermoelectric module to cool. Sort of a transistor that cools. It is the cheapest way to make a portable cooler, but by far the least efficient. You can get a device that plugs into your car lighter which disconnects the supply when the car battery is getting low but still has enough charge to start the car. Any car accessory store should be able to get you one.
Chris.
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Post# 19210-6/23/2002-22:05 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hunting Trip Yields Good Finds (maybe a plate of cookies.....)
MESSAGE: Did he say if any of the machines are running, or were when he got them there?
Particularly the Kelvys? 8-)
Are you planning to try for the Hoover dryer? Seems kinda rare, even if it isn't "vintage."
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Post# 19211-6/23/2002-01:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Dryers (Icky Kenmores)
MESSAGE: Robert, yhou know I'd never kid about something like this. The machine's suspension system was squite loose. You looked at it cross-eyed and it went OOB. My mom got so frustrated with its unpredictability of OOBing during a spin that she finally had my dad install a two-way intercome or walkie-talkie between the upstairs landing and the laundry room which was downstairs. That way, she always heard the laundry room sounds on the intercom. But I myself would do ful loads of towels, my mom always never really filled it full--she just would start the machine filling and after a while, put in the amount of clothes she thought would be okay. Well, towels would sometimes bunch up during agitation and combined with the strong back & forth of the penta-vane agitator, things would bunch up in the bottom left corner and trip the OOB. You can imagine my shock when I'd go open the lid to redistribute the load and it ws still full of soapy wash water.
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Post# 19212-6/24/2002-02:39 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: My local 'Vintage' Launderette (Cooling with Gas!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I did some research on the bimetal electric cooling fridges. The small ones use about 40 watts, continuously which can drain a car battery in just a few hours. I did some calculations, and even a tiny thermoelectric fridge, just big enough to hold a six pack, will use almost 400 kWh/year of juice. There are some modern full size fridges that use not much more than that. The thermoelectrics are not really very energy efficient, but they have few moving parts (just the fan, really) so they can last a long time (except when the fan bearing runs dry, as mine did).
I guess this need to move to the sandbox as well...?
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Post# 19213-6/24/2002-07:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Thanks Ropbert, THAT'S Jason's & mine childhood washer for sure. Just wish it had been posted yesterday, my birthday. Would have been a perfect birthday present.
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Post# 19214-6/24/2002-07:37 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Would this have had the gold roto-swirl?
What dryer did you have with this washer?
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Post# 19215-6/24/2002-07:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800 (My dream machine.)
MESSAGE: That's EXACTLY it! Mine had the camouflage green faceplate and the 2 switches.
And it had the gold RotoSwirl.
If anyone finds one of those let me know.
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Post# 19216-6/24/2002-10:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Well it took a few tries to get it right, but now we know what to be on the lookout for!
BTW, happy belated Birthday Bob!
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Post# 19217-6/24/2002-10:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Gizmos Simpsons
MESSAGE: I would just love to add an Australian wing or two to the museum, you guys should work on pictures.
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Post# 19218-6/24/2002-16:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800 (My dream machine.)
MESSAGE: You know, Jason, I think I mentioned that I saw a beautiful mint condition 800 washer and matching dryer(tawny gold of course) in the "in-law" set up of a local house that was recently for sale. I know that the house recently sold, but there was no tag sale or estate sale. So the new owner may well still have those machines. I am getting an idea......... First of all, would you want both washer and dryer? How much are you willing to pay for them? Can you find out who would ship (Craters and Freighters perhaps?) and what it would cost to ship them from Trumbull, CT to New Orleans?
Here is my thought. I would be willing to approach the new owners and ask if they are looking to part with those machines. If so, then you have your dream machines. I suspect that even if they are not looking to do this immediately, they may want to at some point down the road.
I figure it would be worth a gamble. The worst that could happen is that they think some nut is stalking them for their appliances......
Besides, there is some method to my madness. Maybe if I help you get your dream machine, then perhaps there will be a mint 54-57 Norge Timeline or a Philco Custom Imperial with my name on it someday.
No guarantees - but can it hurt to try???????
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Post# 19219-6/24/2002-20:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: The gold rotoswril. This washer replced the dead norge. We stil had the matching Norge dryer that continued with this washer until the 1979 GE pair replaced both.
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Post# 19220-6/24/2002-20:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800 (My dream machine.)
MESSAGE: Camouflage green? I thought it was gold!!!!!
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Post# 19221-6/24/2002-20:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Thank you very much Robert--from another Robert.
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Post# 19222-6/24/2002-20:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Robert, it waw one of hte nicest birthdays I've had in a long time--beats the last 3 where I spent them by myself. Kirk & Max took me out to dinner and to see a movie.
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Post# 19223-6/24/2002-20:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Bob, I'm so happy to hear you had a nice day!
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Post# 19224-6/24/2002-20:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: That is a very nicely-featured machine. It has a lot of great things without going overboard, and the price was certainly reasonable. Next up the line from this one must have been one of my favorites, the one with the dial in the window above the knob, followed by the big button Lady Kenmore.
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Post# 19225-6/24/2002-20:51 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Gizmos Simpsons (Australian wing of museum)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni, that is a fantastic idea.
I don't have much stuff at present, I don't own a digital camera though my 35mm film camere is a good one, though "vintage" ( a Minolta SRT 101) so I can make good 35mm film pix. I have a scanner but the weakest link is our internet connection. We are on an old phone exchange so that may be the reason. I'm not sure why, but I can download photos in a flash but for some reason when I try to upload pictures it takes ages, and sometimes aborts in the middle.
Uni, if you could send me a postal address for you, I can post some brochures including some great Keymatic stuff. I have found an Opp shop about an hour away which has a huge collection of old magazines which may have some ads from the seventies or even earlier - when I get a chance I will go there and start sifting through it.
Chris.
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Post# 19226-6/24/2002-20:56 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Gizmos Simpsons
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh.
I too like those rocker switch Simpsons. I tried to get my parents to buy one when they were new. T think that the Frigidaire was out of action and was going off to be reconditioned, I said they should forget it and buy a new washer. They spent $170 on the repair when a new Simpson would have cost about $270. I thought they were mad. The Frigidaire was as cantankerous as ever when it came home.
I still see those Simpsons from time to time, I might grab one when I see one.
Chris.
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Post# 19227-6/24/2002-21:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800 (My dream machine.)
MESSAGE: It was like a gold/green mix. I always called it camouflage green.
anyway, that's the washer
I want it now or I will scream.
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Post# 19228-6/24/2002-00:31 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: JasonL-hold that scream
MESSAGE: It appears you havent read Angus' post yet, READ IT LOL, hopefully he may be able to help you greatly!! (and perhaps save you from hurting your voice>>
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Post# 19229-6/25/2002-02:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: PoD 6/25/2002
MESSAGE: Hmmmmm... a catalog clipping . . . looks like a GE but . . . isn't.
Montgomery Wards? With a mini-basket??
I just don't know.
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Post# 19230-6/25/2002-03:19 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: PoD 6/25/2002
MESSAGE: It really is a GE product, DADoES! One of our Vikings by GE Canada sold by Eatons (which incidentally is now spelled small case 'eatons' and is owned by SEARS!!)
Eddy
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Post# 19231-6/25/2002-05:26 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Convention Hotel News
MESSAGE: Hello members,
I finally have the hotel information for you. First a little background.
Marriott really disappointed me. I had a place picked out (Fairfield Inn) and they dilly-dallied and now they don’t have the rooms for our weekend. The person I was dealing with went on vacation and just left me waiting. After trying to get her on the phone for more than a week, I spoke with someone else, that told me that the property I wanted was booked already. Marriott was looking into another nearby property (of course, it was more expensive and less convenient).
The person that originally was working with me called back and wanted to know if I was interested in a nearby Courtyard.
The same week, Tom Stiyer (remember him?) e-mailed me about a Holiday Inn about ½ mile from him and John’s. I looked the property up on the internet and the rooms are even a better rate that the Fairfield Inn.
At this point, I would recommend that everybody get on the internet and make reservations on there own. I spoke with PeterH on Saturday, and he is checking on the hotel. I found that if you reserve 21 or more days in advance, you can get the room for $69 + tax. This is a no refund rate. Additionally, AAA, AARP, and other corporate rates are available, however the $69 rate is the best. I plan on doing that. I think, at this point, if I make any attempt to ask for a group reservation, it will only drive the price up.
I am sending you the link for Holiday Inn. The property is in College Park, MD.
Steve 1-18
LINK: http://www.sixcontinentshotels.com/holiday-inn?_IATAno=99502152
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Post# 19232-6/25/2002-05:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Happy b'day Robert. I am glad it was more special than others recently. It is nice when people take the time to do something for you.........
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Post# 19233-6/25/2002-07:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: PoD 6/25/2002 (Viking)
MESSAGE: Is that not wonderful? It's from a 1974 Eaton's catalog for their Viking Appliances. Take a close look at that machine it's like combining a 70's GE with a 70's GE made Hotpoint, although its more GE like than a Hotpoint ever was. Filter-Flo, Mini-Basket, timer knob, but the control panel and lid is so much more Hotpoint like.
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Post# 19234-6/25/2002-08:52 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Hotel News (Reservation!)
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,
Is it the top selection in this link?
LOcated at 100000 avenue
LINK: http://go.vicinity.com/sixcont/doPrxGeoFind.dsp?brandname=_holidayinn&DBCOUNT=1&AD2=&CITY=Beltsville&STATE=MB&lkup=0001&ZIP=&airportcity=&airport=&DBR=20&brand=HOLI&brand=HIIS&brand=HIGC&brand=HISL&brand=HIRT&brand=HISR
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Post# 19235-6/25/2002-08:55 ||| Imperialbob (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: APPLIANCE CONVERGENCE
MESSAGE: Fellows! Some of you might remember me. I once worked for Alco Appliances where I caught the collecting bug. Please come by and have a look at my collection this August during the East Coast Convergence.
I'm also a collector and restoration artist of Vintage Phonographs. Here's a link to see an ELECTRIC reproducing phonograph from about 1926. Enjoy. BEST.
BOB
LINK: http://bobwirth.hypermart.net/CARRYOLA/INDEX.HTM
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Post# 19236-6/25/2002-14:37 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: PoD 6/25/2002
MESSAGE: Very kewl!
I knew it did have to somehow be a GE, 'cause of the mini-basket, but GE was never sold through catalogs (AFAIK), and I was lost.
I recall the previous Viking picture, but I could't make out a brand name anywhere on this one.
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Post# 19237-6/25/2002-16:44 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: PoD 6/25/2002 (Viking)
MESSAGE: WOW!!!!! You could've had me fooled. I thought that was a Pennys' machine for a moment there. JC Penny had washers and dryers back in the 1970's. And if I could recall correctly, GE has made their laundry appliances too.
--Charles--
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Post# 19238-6/25/2002-16:46 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800 (My dream machine.)
MESSAGE: Actually Jason:
That is one of my desirable machines too. Now, if I had my way, I'll take mine with all three dispensers and the Vari-Flex agitator. I wonder did Sears ever market a Model 800 with both the three dispensers and the Vari-Flex agitator in the same machine??
--Charles--
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Post# 19239-6/25/2002-19:31 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Consumer Reports 1967, 69' ,70', 72', 73', 74', 75', 76', 78', 79', 80
MESSAGE: Hello,
I hope that everyone is having a great week. It will be over soon.
While cleaning today a closet that I have been 'overlooking' for about 3 years now, I came across the subject's Consumer Reports. I could have more, but I did not take everthing out of the closet. Seems like I remember some in the basement. (Organizing?) It blew my mind. I remember finding them at a thrift store about 4 years ago, but totally forgot about them.
Well, I stopped my productive day of cleaning, and looked through all of them. Washer reports were great. Some years better than others. Good years had great pictures of the models and such.
Was wondering if you guys could think of a article that you would think we could benefit from here on the site that I could scan or something. I will do my best. I say that because there are binded per year. The bond is very strong.
Brent
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Post# 19240-6/25/2002-19:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: APPLIANCE CONVERGENCE
MESSAGE: Bob, OF COURSE I remember you from the very EARLY days of the Yahoo Club site. And of course, how can one Bob not forget another. Anyway, I was thrilled when Steve 1/18 told me it was your collection we were also gonna be able to see. You have some fine machines which i cannot wait to finally see in person, plus get to meet ya!!!
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Post# 19241-6/25/2002-22:45 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Consumer Reports 1967, 69' ,70', 72', 73', 74', 75', 76', 78', 79', 80
MESSAGE: ALL of 'em. We gotta have all of 'em!
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Post# 19242-6/25/2002-01:20 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: Convention Transportation
MESSAGE: In my last post I asked everyone who will need or want to carpool to e-mail me with this info. I still have not recieved anything except from one person asking if I knew who was riding with who.
It is my understanding that a few of you will be driving in or renting a vehicle and may be willing to carpool with another member. If that is the case please make your intentions known. Being that it will be easier for all of you to talk about this on your own, PLEASE do so and make the proper arangements so that no one is left behind.
As I said before, everyone will be given a map and unless some one wants to venture off on their own, we all be together.
Jason
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Post# 19243-6/26/2002-05:58 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Hotel News (Hotel Location & Addional Info)
MESSAGE: The address is:
WASHINGTON-COLLEGE PARK(I95 CAP BLT),
10000 Baltimore Ave.
COLLEGE PARK, MD 20740
UNITED STATES
Tel: 1-301-345-6700
Fax: 1-301-441-4923
E-Mail: altabaker@hotmail.com
Check-In Time: 3:00 PM
Check-Out Time: 12:00 PM
Hotel Info
Conveniently located just 11 miles from our nation's capital, the Holiday Inn® College Park provides easy access to all of the area's business and leisure attractions. We offer extensive amenities to cater to the business traveller, family or group. Our two-tower hotel offers 222 guest accommodations, an indoor pool and whirlpool; modern fitness room and sauna, in-room coffee maker, hair dryer & iron/ironing board, guest room voice messaging, and more!
Our hotel staff speaks: Greek, Polish, Spanish
Airport info:
Baltimore- Washington International (BWI)
Distance: 22 MI S
Taxi Fee: 45 (USD)
Alt. Transportation: Super Shuttle
RONALD REAGAN (DCA)
Distance: 24 MI N
Taxi Fee: 55 (USD)
Alt. Transportation: Super Shuttle
Dulles Int'l Airport (IAD)
Distance: 44 MI
Taxi Fee: 65 (USD)
Alt. Transportation: Super Shuttle
Complimentary Area Shuttle within 5 MI radius of hotel.
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Post# 19244-6/26/2002-06:13 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Ground Transportation
MESSAGE: The airports offer Super Shuttle (a lot cheaper than Taxi). From R Reagan or BWI it is $21 for the first person and $8 for each additional.
The phone number is 800-BLUE VAN (258-3826).
LINK: http://www.supershuttle.com/htm/cities/dca.htm
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Post# 19245-6/26/2002-06:19 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Hotel News (Thanks!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the information Steve!
Brent
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Post# 19246-6/26/2002-08:19 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Robert - Videos
MESSAGE: Robert,
I have been reading the old post in Applianceville. There was several post that talked about the "Tuesday night Appliance Movies?"
Did this ever take off?
Some of the vid's that you talk about sounded like so much fun. The Educational films, The Whirlpool 52' washer's video, etc. Are these videos being stored somewhere on the net?
Would love to know more, and find out how I could see some of them.
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 19247-6/26/2002-08:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos
MESSAGE: It's at www.archive.org and you can find those cool 16mm movies. search for appliances, frigidaire, whirlpool, etc.
They're awesome to watch.
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Post# 19248-6/26/2002-11:46 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Help)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason for the link. I am not able to find anything though. You mentioned searching, but I can't figure out how.
I am wondering if I am going to the right place on this site?
Brent
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Post# 19249-6/26/2002-12:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Help)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent,
No those movies are located on our server, they are located at www.archive.org. Click on the link below and enjoy! I have digitized many of these movies on DVD disks to enjoy on my vintage TV's.
LINK: http://www.archive.org/movies/bytitle.html
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Post# 19250-6/26/2002-12:50 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Is there a way to search?)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert,
Is there a way to search for "appliance videos", or do you have to go through all of them and find out what they are about?
Brent
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Post# 19251-6/26/2002-13:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Is there a way to search?)
MESSAGE: Wait till that page loads entirely, then click anywhere on the page and press CNTL+F for the find dialog box. Try searching under appliances, whirlpool, frigidaire, etc.
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Post# 19252-6/26/2002-13:08 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Robert is my Hero!)
MESSAGE: I must be a computer idiot.
I did not know you could do that!
Thanks Robert!
Brent
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Post# 19253-6/26/2002-13:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Agitator
MESSAGE: Will somebody tell me how the veriflex agitator works?
I have seen one, but it look like a standard straight vane agitator. Does the main blade adjust to different heights or could part of it be removed for delicate loads.
I would like to see one in action via Mpeg.
Please let me know?
Thanks.
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Post# 19254-6/26/2002-15:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitator (Vari-Flex)
MESSAGE: The 3 main fins of the agitator are hollow and contain movable fins inside of them. If you look at the top, where the center section sticks out, that part doesn't move. Instead you lift up on the ring around it, which lifts the entire outer part of this agitator and disengages it from the base. Once disengaged, you turn it in one or the other direction. As you turn, the inner vanes either move in or out, longer or shorter. I'm sure before the week's end (or day's end) someone will do a photo montage' of how it works...
On my machine, there is a pronounced difference between short and long fins, even tho' the fins really only extend/retract a couple of inches. The short, retracted position is very gentle. The agitator itself is quite a moose and takes up alot of tub space, more so than a Roto-Swirl, IMO.
-ph
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Post# 19255-6/26/2002-16:11 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Transportation
MESSAGE: I'll been in need of transportation.
To insure nobody gets left behind at any time during the West Coast Convergence, there should perhaps be some sort of roster of who is riding with whom and to where for the various events.
Those who will have wheels can post their availability, and then the details worked out from there.
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Post# 19256-6/26/2002-16:12 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitator (Vari-Flex)
MESSAGE: I remember the one VariFlex that I got to play with, there was more diffence between the settings than I expected. With a 3-speed machine, it gives quite a range of washing action.
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Post# 19257-6/26/2002-16:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Transportation
MESSAGE: *West* Coast? Are some of you seceding from the rest of the group?? ;-)
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Post# 19258-6/26/2002-16:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitator (Vari-Flex)
MESSAGE: That's interesting to hear these comments about the VariFlex (yours and Peters). I never really *got* that concept thinking what possible difference could it make having the things sticking out a couple inches less or more, but apparently it does!
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Post# 19259-6/26/2002-16:34 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Transportation
MESSAGE: Ooopsie . . . . . my brain is rather tired these days.
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Post# 19260-6/26/2002-18:51 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: Chat Room Down
MESSAGE: The chat room will be inaccessible for about 30 minutes, starting at 3:00 a.m. CST on the morning of Thursday 6/27/2002.
Telco maintenance on the T3.
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Post# 19261-6/26/2002-20:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitator (Vari-Flex)
MESSAGE: I had a secretary 20 years ago that had a LK with this agitator. She simply adjusted the agitator to reflect the type of wash action she wanted and used only the normal cycle. Even for delicate things, she just positioned it so that the blades or fins were the smallest length for that load. Almost like that of the handwash agitator found inside a Hotpoint.
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Post# 19262-6/26/2002-22:06 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Fabulous! Whirlpool video from 52'. What a treat.)
MESSAGE: That was so cool!
Thanks Robert and Jason for the link. I have aol dial-up, so I had time to install a new door and frame during the download. It was worth the wait however. What a classic piece of video. I could talk about it in so many ways.
Just want to say thanks again! I will download part II while I am doing brain surgery or someting.
Night.
Brent
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Post# 19263-6/26/2002-22:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitator (Vari-Flex)
MESSAGE: To my surprise I also was shocked at the difference between low vanes and high vanes of the vari-flex that is currently installed (not permentantly) in my '57 Lady Kenmore. The high vane setting is almost too rough for many items if you can believe that.
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Post# 19264-6/26/2002-22:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Fabulous! Whirlpool video from 52'. What a treat.)
MESSAGE: Isn't that fun! Part two is even better, worth the download time. Speaking of downloads I think its time for more videos!
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Post# 19265-6/26/2002-22:21 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (Sounds great!)
MESSAGE: So Re-Freshing so to speak.
Thanks guys for taking the time.
Brent
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Post# 19266-6/26/2002-22:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World
MESSAGE: Well after lots of work to get the Norge museum open I've finally completed the new wing. The videos take forever to do but they sure are worth it, enjoy guys and gals!
Larry (Cleanteam of NY) I would love to enter your machine in the Norge museum too as well as Philippe's (wringingwet) new Norge. If you guys could get me pictures that would be wonderful!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MUSEUM/Museum-Display.htm
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Post# 19267-6/26/2002-22:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: '57 or '58 Bendix Duomatic found in Deep South
MESSAGE: I have received an email from a very nice woman in Anniston, Alabama. She has a Bendix-Doumatic that she would like to go to a good collector home. Here is what she says:
Our Bendix does not look like the ones pictured. It looks like it would be an older model. It has a slightly rounded top ( rounded around the outer edge of the machine)
The control panel : Located on the very top of the machine at the far back. It is roller type control that turns horizontally. A cream colored dial with red lettering on it. Directly beneath the dial is a black lever that moves left to right. On the left it moves to WARM and to the right it says HOT ( all in red lettering) The control section is not very big takes up approximately three inches of space.
In the middle area of the top is a metal plate that lifts up and exposes the place where you put the laundry soap.
There is a small metal plaque on the front of the machine above the door that says :
Bendix (in large lettering) and directly below that says "automatic home laundry" ( in smaller case letters)
Also to note, the machine sits atop a concrete block that it had been bolted to. I don't know if that is how it came or if tht is what the previous owners had chosen to do. It appears to me that this was done to keep it from ever getting flooded.
Once again, thank you. Please let me know what you think.
OK you guys down south, is anyone interested in this???
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Post# 19268-6/26/2002-22:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: WOW!!!! Awesome videos. My first Norge experience. I've been waiting to see how they work.
Is it me or is that thing really loud? The motor has this ghostly howl and on top of that I can hear the pump gurgling. The spin is very quiet though. You mostly hear the water leaving the tub and the gurgling pump once the washer is empty.
Solid tub machines are most fun to look at.
Can't wait to see the Kenmore wing open.
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Post# 19269-6/26/2002-22:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: '57 or '58 Bendix Duomatic found in Deep South
MESSAGE: Unfortunately I can't give that angel her wings. I can't house the washer. I don't even have a concrete floor, just plywood. Todd Cox are you listening?
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Post# 19270-6/26/2002-22:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: No you are correct Jason, Norge's have always been a bit on the louder side. I have a little "Before You Call For Service" booklet from Norge, printed in the early 60's. On page one it says and I quote "If I sound a little noiser when I work, it's only because of my powerful construction"
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Post# 19271-6/26/2002-22:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: I would almost say it's "soothing" but the noise is actually kinda creepy. Think: Ghosts in the house.
At any rate, an angel receives her wings and another sound from the past can be heard by many people.
Bravo!
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Post# 19272-6/26/2002-22:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: Actually Jason, I would blame most of that odd sounding noise on the WMV Video Compression Codec and not on the Norge. There is a high pitched sound in those videos that does not exist in real life.
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Post# 19273-6/26/2002-22:58 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World
MESSAGE: Thank you so much for the new Norge wing. This is a beautiful machine. I don't think I have ever seen the real
thing. Thank you for your time and sharing your beautiful
appliances. I think the longer slower agitation was much better. I like Maytags agitation. I have an old 806 that runs like a champ. I have been restoring parts of it as time permits. It has a tub light on the right side which I had not seen before.
Did you have a short artical in People Magazine about 12 years ago?
Dan
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Post# 19274-6/26/2002-23:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: Yeah that can be it too. If you encode in too low a bitrate, you'll get UFO noises in with the natural sound and it is a high pitched noise. That usually happens when water is coming out or draining.
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Post# 19275-6/26/2002-23:04 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Transportation (Convention Transportation)
MESSAGE: Great idea Glenn, I too will be in need of transportation once I get there and would of course be more than willing to share in the expenses. Thanks Terry
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Post# 19276-6/26/2002-23:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Agitator (Vari-Flex)
MESSAGE: I usually left mine on the MEDium setting most of the time. I found it was a good balance between too gentle to move the load and too rough. I still think it's too big though....
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Post# 19277-6/26/2002-23:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: The Kenmore Whine (question)
MESSAGE: Speaking of washer noises, I'm sure someone can answer this...
We all know how a belt-drive Kenmore sounds. It's a high pitched whirr that is heard throughout the cycle. During agitation it's almost like it's singing... "Whirrwhirrwhirrwhirrwhirr". During neutral drain, it's just a constant note. On spin, it goes low and the pitch constantly raises until it reaches full speed.
Question is: What part of the machine actually makes that noise? The motor? belt? pulley? I've always wondered that.
In case you're wondering, my little portable Kenmore do NOT whirr. It hums (60cycle hum).
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Post# 19278-6/26/2002-23:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: Norge was never known for its quiet operation, Jason, but particularly in the timeline days, it was a very good machine at least in washability, as Robert mentions in the museum.
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Post# 19279-6/26/2002-23:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (does it have to do with the motor being under load?)
MESSAGE: I've wondered the same thing Jason, and as a "part two" to your question, I wonder if it has to do with how much load the motor is under (i.e., when the washer is empty of clothes vs. full, etc.) I ask this because (and maybe this is my imagination) the 50s model Sears and Whirlpool machines Robert has don't seem to do it, whereas the 60s and 70s Sears/Whirlpool machines I've experienced it is very distinct. They seem to just quietly agitate. Or, is it just that I don't hear it because perhaps other machines or people were running or talking, such as at the convention?
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Post# 19280-6/26/2002-23:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World
MESSAGE: Very nice job as always Robert! Everyone check out the new wing, lots of fun things to see! :)
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Post# 19281-6/26/2002-23:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Convention Transportation (Convention Transportation)
MESSAGE: Terry, Greg and I were talking about this too. He is checking into some things so we're starting to get balls rolling!
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Post# 19282-6/26/2002-23:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '57 or '58 Bendix Duomatic found in Deep South (Doesn't sound like a duomatic)
MESSAGE: This washer sounds like your '47. From the description she gives, this wouldn't be a Duomatic - the control dial (no dryer control,) the sliding water temp lever, the metal soap door and the front emblem says "automatic home laundry" plus, it's bolted to a concrete block. Sounds like your machine? There were Duomatics with the controls on the top (no raised panel) the 57-58 - a step down from the TOL sliding lever control, but they were different than she describes - it had three black dials.
This would be a nice find - this was the Bedix I've wanted since I was 10 years old, paging through old magazines at my aunt's house. Somebody grab it!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp?.dir=/Philco-Bendix&.dnm=1947+Bendix+Deluxe+Model.JPG&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/unimatic1140/vwp%3f.dir=/Philco-Bendix%26.dnm=Inside%2bthe%2b%252747%2bBendix.JPG%26.src=ph
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Post# 19283-6/26/2002-23:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Brilliant Work!)
MESSAGE: The videos are great and the washer looks beautiful!
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Post# 19284-6/26/2002-00:20 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question)
MESSAGE: It's probably attributable to the entire mechanism. Remember, all the parts in the tranny run constantly whenever the motor is on. There is quite a heavy load on the tranny during agitation, and the whirrwhirrwhirr may be the gears. There is no load on the tranny during neutral drain, and the load on the pump is basically the same as during recirculation/agitation. The motor is under a heavier load when spinning begins.
Our '76 18-pounder had a faint sound almost like creaking or groaning during agitation with a REALLY full load. Quite charming. I recall visiting the home of my father's cousin, who had an 8800-series or thereabouts (ours was the LDA-7800) from the early or mid 1970s. The machine was running and made the same sound during agitation.
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Post# 19285-6/26/2002-00:31 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (then there's that groan)
MESSAGE: Wisht I had an answer to your question, Jasonl, but I thought I would take advantage of the topic to repost a question I never got an answer to: WHAT DA HECK is the very brief bass pitched hum you hear on 60s-80s belt-drive Whirlmores, during drain, just at the point the tub empties and the pump begins pulling air through - sounds like a Hoover vacuum being worked?
You hear it again after the spin phase kicks in, during each spray rinse, as more water gets pulled through the pump. The sound is much more prominent in Whirlpool products, but KMs are right up there.
Anybody have even a clue?????
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Post# 19286-6/26/2002-00:36 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Hey Bob:
Y'all have the lighted console on yours? The matching dryer?
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Post# 19287-6/26/2002-01:09 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: I've been pestering you like hell for another wing and i am now happy for the next few months!!! :) :) :) Thanks for taking the time to put the whole thing together, i THOROUGHLY enjoyed it
Geoff
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Post# 19288-6/26/2002-01:17 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (then there's that groan)
MESSAGE: I have a 74 Whirlpool that i use as my regular and i have noticed alll the noises that everyone is mentioning... You can here that whine through the floor when mine is running as it is in the basement. BUT, I've always wondered what the hell that bassy groan is so one time i stuck my head into the tub (stupid??) while it was draining and noticed that it was reverberation from the tub being empty and the pump emptying, it seems to create a deep reverberation in the now "hollow" tub. Although one thing i never understood was how i find my whirlpool MUCH quiter than in the video of the 80 something Whirlpool that i (believe) Dadoes posted before he erased then. My whine (although very prominent) is much quieter!!!any thought on thatone??LOL
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Post# 19289-6/27/2002-05:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (then there's that groan)
MESSAGE: And also theres that rythmic "ssshhh....shhhhhh.....ssshhhhhh.....ssssshhhhhh" while the washer is draining. Especially Whirlpool mechanisms. That sound seems to come from the back of the washer.
When I get my Kenmore 800 I'll have to set a sounds page so everyone can hear the many different sounds these things made. No wonder it's my favorite brand of washer.
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Post# 19290-6/27/2002-05:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (does it have to do with the motor being under load?)
MESSAGE: Robert's Lady K has a faint whine. I listened to it from a video. It's quiet but I can hear it. A spooky thing is, when it goes into spin, I can't hear the clutch hissing, just the motor at a lower pitch. Usually you can hear the clutch in a WP/KM.
Then, I've listened to Jason (HQOTS)'s 65 Lady K on the phone and it definitely has a whine and the wigwag makes the grinding noise when it goes into spin.
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Post# 19291-6/27/2002-05:25 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (then there's that groan)
MESSAGE: Most of the noise is generated by the motor, pump and transmission. As I recall, the noise is lighter when run empty, but when the machine is stressed with water and clothes
the decibels increases under the load, giving us that beautiful rhythmic sound of washing and spinning.
I love my parents machine for I can hear it in the hallway on the first floor, even though they live on the second floor apartment. But I can still hear it before I reach my apartment which is on the third floor if I allow my ears to hear....
Now to answer your question, the design of the outer tub removes all the water from the machine which spit out every drop of water when the pump is in use, so that deep bass groan is most noticeable after draining and between the spray rinses during the spin cycle, because the pump has lost its prime....
I hope this helps.
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Post# 19292-6/27/2002-05:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (then there's that groan)
MESSAGE: My direct drive whirlpool had the same groan when the tub emptied. It's air passing through the pump.
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Post# 19293-6/27/2002-05:45 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: '57 or '58 Bendix Duomatic found in Deep South (Bendix in Anniston? Not that far from Atlanta.)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Did she say what she wanted for it?
What about the condition of the unit?
Sounds interesting.
Brent
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Post# 19294-6/27/2002-05:48 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (Zig - Zag?)
MESSAGE: I love that sound of those KM and Whirlpool belt drives. I had on that was one of the first electronic ones. (had the matching gas dryer also) I would look in the back of the machine and could only think that it was that zig-zag thing. Dosen't that cause the agitation and drain and spin cycles? I miss those machines.
Brent
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Post# 19295-6/27/2002-06:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thank you very much for the Norge wing of the museum. My compliments for the restoration of the Norge, you did a hell of a job. Besides that I feel with all these things happening on the club things are a bit back to normal at the club. A big YAY for that!
I have big problems with my computer, so I won't be visiting frequently here. Fortunately I have acces to the internet at work, so I can at least read mail etc.
Louis
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Post# 19296-6/27/2002-06:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (60 cycle hum???)
MESSAGE: I would make a guess that it is a combination of the motor, transmission, pump and belt Jason.
Your little Kenmore has a 60 cycle hum???? Maybe you need to replace its can filter capacitors LOL.
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Post# 19297-6/27/2002-07:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '57 or '58 Bendix Duomatic found in Deep South (Doesn't sound like a duomatic)
MESSAGE: Oh you know your probably right, in her first note she says its a duomatic, but I bet your right Greg. I will send her another picture and ask.
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Post# 19298-6/27/2002-07:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (then there's that groan)
MESSAGE: That is the first breath of air being sucked into the pump after the air-flow thru the pump had been blocked by water.
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Post# 19299-6/27/2002-07:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: Enjoy Geoff and everyone! Here is the reason why I can only one of these wings per season or so, it's a lot of work to do these wings, here is what I go through:
-Film the videos,
-Then Digitize them into the computer
-Then Edit them down to small segments
-Then Convert them into a file that is small enough for the web but large enough to still look OK,
-Then Save them
-Then FTP them up to the server
-Then take the still pictures for the museum page
-Then scan the background picture,
-Then FTP the pictures and scans to the server
-Then create the html page for the museum wing,
-Then test everything to make sure all the links work
-Then announce the new wing
I takes about 15 hours of work per wing with videos. I had been working on this since last since Saturday and most of my entire evening every night this week. I'm certainly glad I'm done for now. :)
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Post# 19300-6/27/2002-07:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (does it have to do with the motor being under load?)
MESSAGE: The clutch hiss didn't start until the mid 60's with a change in the clutch lining material makeup.
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Post# 19301-6/27/2002-07:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (does it have to do with the motor being under load?)
MESSAGE: So that means the clutch on yours is original? WOW!
That also means my grandmothers Kenmore was mid 60s model because of the grinding wigwag and the clutch hissing. I knew it was older than my mom's K800 but I couldn't figure what year it was.
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Post# 19302-6/27/2002-07:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: I also remember the Norge having a very rhythmic,deep mechanical sound while washing - and it was actually quite soothing. And I do remember the spin being much quieter than the wash operation. I cannot wait to view this video. I am sure it is terrific Robert!!!!
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Post# 19303-6/27/2002-07:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: And those machines were built like tanks. Remember, all metal parts and a transmission that was bathed in three quarts of oil........ I remember that my father who was quite strong having to struggle mightily to move Aunt Jennie's Norge when he painted the kitchen for her.....
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Post# 19304-6/27/2002-07:31 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (does it have to do with the motor being under load?)
MESSAGE: It might have something to do with the load, but truthfully, our Kenmores made that noise with every load, full or partial. We never really ran it with nothing, so can't say whether it did that when nothing was in there.
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Post# 19305-6/27/2002-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (my ears are still ringing)
MESSAGE: That large tranny is directly under the wash/spin tub that is inside that cavernous outer tub so the noise is amplified that much more. I'm sure it's quieter with the lid closed, but then, we'll probably never try that...
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Post# 19306-6/27/2002-08:49 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (shh...shh...shh...)
MESSAGE: OMG!! That's the sound. The wooshing "shh..." is most definitely air being sucked through.
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Post# 19307-6/27/2002-08:56 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Norge Wing
MESSAGE: Well Robert you did another fantastic job with the Norge, it looks great!!! You also did a great job with the videos, I didn't know it took so much work to post them, I give you a lot of credit for doing all that work. I can see why it takes so long. A couple of things on the Norge, in watching the video's it seems to me that the Norges have a slow long agitation almost gentle like in speed. And there didn't seem to be much of a rollover action in the wash cycle(I know I didn't see the entire wash in action and it was just a short video) it was more of a back and forth action. But I did notice that during the overflow rinse that the rollover action seem to improve, from what was shown in the video. Is that typical of early Norges. Did anyone else notice it too. All in all a great video of a nice machine!!!
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Post# 19308-6/27/2002-09:00 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Norge Wing)
MESSAGE: Robert the Norge wing is realy Great!
Peter
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Post# 19309-6/27/2002-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Wing (52 Strokes Per Minute)
MESSAGE: As far as I know Norge had the slowest agitator stroke in the industry. It is supposidly 52 oscillations per minute according to a 1954 repair manual I have, with a 625rpm spin.
The Norge doesn't have great turnover, yet it's washing action was rated top for cleaning ability in the 1954 CU report, go figure.
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Post# 19310-6/27/2002-09:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: '57 or '58 Bendix Duomatic found in Deep South (Saturday roadtrip)
MESSAGE: Put me down for this baby!
Brent, want to take a trip?
-ph
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Post# 19311-6/27/2002-09:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Thrash-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: I can't imagine what a load of jeans would look like in this machine! Got to be better than the Maytag Wrestlemania.
-ph
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Post# 19312-6/27/2002-09:53 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: '57 or '58 Bendix Duomatic found in Deep South (Bendix on Pride Weekend! What a treat!)
MESSAGE: Peter,
Let me know what time.
Sure. I think that it is only about a hour drive.
I think that Steve 1-18 will be in town also!
It can be like a mini convention!
Brent
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Post# 19313-6/27/2002-10:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Convention extra-curricular activities
MESSAGE: It appears we will have some down time Sunday morning to go explore Washington DC. One of the things that I really want to do is see the Holocaust museum. To do this, you have to reserve a time and have a "ticket", which is free, but comes with a few bucks processing fee. If anyone is also interested in going, I will get the tickets.
EMAIL me with your desire to go, and how many tickets you need (for friends, family and significant others).
PeterH770@aol.com
-ph
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Post# 19314-6/27/2002-10:55 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (Whirlpool/Sears identical mechanisms or not?)
MESSAGE: A couple of people mentioned they notice something more on a Whirlpool or a Sears. Are there actual differences in the inner workings, or are these identical and only the cosmetics, features, agitator design and etc are different?
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Post# 19315-6/27/2002-11:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (shh...shh...shh...)
MESSAGE: and on my great aunt's RCA Whirlpool with the suds miser, when the water would pump back in, it sounded like when you're getting the last bit of your coke out the glass with a straw! :-)
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Post# 19316-6/27/2002-11:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Wing
MESSAGE: Well, unless I miss my guess entirely, you generally do not get any or at least a lot of "roll over" with a straight vane agitator. But that would explain the shape of the Norge agitator. From the side, the agitator is almost shaped like an "S". So there are protruding vanes at the bottom of the agitator and at the top to ensure that the whole washload is moved during the cycle. You're right - the slow long stroke was a more gentle action, but the load moved satisfactorily enough so that the Norges were always highly rated for washing ability.
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Post# 19317-6/27/2002-11:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Thrash-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: What do you mean Peter, meaning as far as how the machines work with jeans in them? Is Maytag not so good in this vein?
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Post# 19318-6/27/2002-11:12 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Wing (52 Strokes Per Minute)
MESSAGE: Well, Robert - I am rarely speechless, but after that stroll down memory lane I am. That is exactly how I remember the Norge operating. You have done a remarkable job once again and it is even more important because these machines are pretty much non existent today. I would trade any machine for one of those!!
A couple of things. I thought the Norge had a timed fill.. has that been a problem with changes in water pressure - either for over or underfilling?? Also, it doesn't look like there is a lot of protection against small items going "over the wall" - any problems there??
I guess regarding the lack of roll over - my comment is that maybe you don't need to have actual "roll over" to have good cleaning. Note that the Norge kept the clothes moving steadily through the water throughout the cycle. Perhaps that can be as effective. It actually looked like waves. Now that I think about it, I remember that they advertised that "the thorough, yet gentle Norge Wave Agitation" would guarantee the cleanest wash, etc.. etc...
Robert - thanks again for all of the effort - it made my day!!!!
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Post# 19319-6/27/2002-11:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (Whirlpool/Sears identical mechanisms or not?)
MESSAGE: For the most part Scott, the inner workings are almost the same, but there were some evolutionary design changes which would make a 1952 Whirlpool vs. a 1984 Belt-Drive Whirlpool rather different machines.
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Post# 19320-6/27/2002-11:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Thrash-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, I think Peter is referring to the video I posted of the Maytag AMP over a year ago where it was beating up four pair of jeans.
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Post# 19321-6/27/2002-11:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Wing (52 Strokes Per Minute)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony,
Like most time fill machines there is a water restrictor inside the water valve that only allows 3 gallons of water to pass through the valve and into the tub per minute. Without any restriction normal house pressure would allow for around 5 gallons per minute to enter. Since the pressure was regulated down to a below-average household pressure level, most time filled machines are nearly right-on the mark as you saw with the Norge.
I absolutely agree with your assessment of rollover vs. cleaning ability Anthony. One doesn't necessary have anything to do with the other.
When you were a kid did you get to watch your Aunt's Norge in action through the whole cycle?
Glad you enjoyed the videos, I'm sure the sounds of the machine had caused a weird "rush of memories" for you that can be so much fun to have.
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Post# 19322-6/27/2002-11:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Thrash-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: oh ok, yes of course I remember now, LOL. Thanks for the answer on the Sears/Whirlpool too!
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Post# 19323-6/27/2002-15:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Wing (52 Strokes Per Minute)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert those sounds took me right back to the apartment on Adelphi Street in Brooklyn - - truly amazing!!! It was so real that I was almost tempted to make a tuna sandwich on Italian bread (our lunch of choice for laundry day) and wash it down with a small glass bottle of Coke - which incedentally was kept ice cold in her Servel gas refrigerator!!
The only cycle I never got to see was the spin. Since her model also had the Safety Spin feature we couldn't readily observe and she wasn't about to let me try to bypass anything...... I always particularly liked the overflow rinse -- very dramatic!!! Thanks many times over...........
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Post# 19324-6/27/2002-16:07 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Interesting videos of the Norge
MESSAGE: The lint filter agitator had the same action that my mother's Norge had back in 1981, as do many Montgomery Wards specials. Also, the agitator on the Norge can be found in many early 1980s Frigidaires (non-General Motors).
None of these are solid basket machines though. Still, I thought it was quite interesting and fun to watch.
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Post# 19325-6/27/2002-17:12 ||| Ricky (durham england UK)
SUBJECT: help wanted!! bendix washer dryer in britain 1965 model
MESSAGE: can anyone help please? check my details and e mail if you can !
i have a british bendix washer dryer made in 1965, i want to ask a technical question about the gearbox and what should and should not be turning ( ie dryer fan) during wash and spin cycles . The macine had never been un wrapped or connected to the mains since 1965 till last week , all seems well but no one in england collects washers or knows anything in the detail you guys do. thank you!!
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Post# 19326-6/27/2002-18:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: help wanted!! bendix washer dryer in britain 1965 model (Post# 19188)
MESSAGE: Hi Ricky, I answered your original post, check out message # 19188.
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Post# 19327-6/27/2002-19:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: help wanted!! bendix washer dryer in britain 1965 model
MESSAGE: I've searched for an answer for your problem, I can't guarantee this is exactly like your machine, but it sounds like it.
The later Duomatics (washer-dryer) used a pinion gear to drive the blower pulley. This was operated with a solenoid mounted on top of the gearbox. The plunger of the solenoid pulls a pinion rod out of the gearbox which allows the pinion gear inside to turn, thus turning the blower pulley. It sounds like one of two things is happening with your blower running during the wash cycle. 1)the solenoid (first solenoid from the back of the gearbox -nearest the blower pulley) is energized during the wash portion of the cycle (it should not be - only energized during dry portion) 2)if the solenoid is not energized during the wash cycle, the plunger of the solenoid is stuck in the "run" position. Check first to see that the solenoid is not energized during the wash portion of the cycle and that the plunger of the solenoid moves freely pulling the pinion rod in and out of the gearbox. When the pinion rod is inside or "down" with the solenoid de-energized, the blower shaft and pulley should not be turning. I would think your problem lies in this assembly, if the solenoid and pinion gear are operating properly at the correct cycle times, then you might have a bad pinion gear inside the gearbox. I would bet, if this machine has never been used that there is just a minor problem with that solenoid. I posted a few pictures of the assembly for you to see how it works.
Did you check the oil level in the gearbox when you first got it?
Remember, be careful of electric parts when checking the solenoid! Good luck - keep us posted on the machine!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Scanner+Fun&.src=ph&.dnm=1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Scanner%2bFun%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19328-6/27/2002-23:09 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Wing (52 Strokes Per Minute)
MESSAGE: My mother's 1969 Speed Queen had no lint filter, but instead inserted a brief overflow rinse at the end of both the wash and rinse portions of every cycle to carry away the lint. In 13 years, we never had any problem with small items going "over the top".
The family SQ also had timed fill. Was always something else to watch the agitator gyrate with not a drop of water in the tub! I cant speak to changes in water pressure - we were always fortunate to live in areas where that wasnt a problem.
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Post# 19329-6/27/2002-23:15 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (tub brake))
MESSAGE: I noticed the characteristic Norge tub brake clanking loudly at the beginning of the spin phase. Does the brake also bang after spinning stops, as on later model Norges?
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Post# 19330-6/27/2002-23:35 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (bad or missing codec)
MESSAGE: I tried to view the .avi for Part II. When Media Player tried to load it, I got an error that there was trouble with the codec. Any hope of resolution, or do I need to download RealPlayer and do the streaming option?
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Post# 19331-6/28/2002-08:39 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool lids
MESSAGE: Hi all.
I have just looked in the museum at the Whirlpool section.
I noticed that all the Whirlpool washers had the lid hinged at the rear. All belt-drive Whirlpools I have seen here in Aus have a side-opening lid - reversible on some. Early ones have enamelled steel lids, later ones had painted aluminium ones.
I wonder if this is a difference between US and Aus production of basically the same washer?
Chris.
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Post# 19332-6/28/2002-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (tub brake))
MESSAGE: Yes, you can hear the clank if you listen closely in the videos. The earlier Norges clanked without allowing the tub to coast to a complete stop first, so their clanks are slightly louder.
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Post# 19333-6/28/2002-08:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (bad or missing codec)
MESSAGE: Check the www.archive for instructions on how to download codecs:
"To Play a Movie (Instructions for Windows below; instructions for macOS)
All the films are available in MPEG-2 format. We are gradually adding MPEG-4 versions. To download these large files, you must have a DSL or faster connection.
A. When you've chosen a movie, save the file to disk by right-clicking the link (the movies will not stream).
B. To play an MPEG-4 (.avi) movie, install the DivX codec from DivX.com. Play the movie with Windows Media Player.
C. To play an MPEG-2 (.mpg) movie, install Elecard's MPEG-2 video decoder shareware. Play the movie with a player such as Windows Media Player.
For more details, troubleshooting, and how to play movies on other operating systems, see our FAQs, another how to page, and player evaluations."
LINK: http://www.archive.org/movies/
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Post# 19334-6/28/2002-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool lids
MESSAGE: Wow Chris, that is very interesting. Whirlpool lids have never, ever opened to the side in the USA. In 1956 Kenmore lids were made to open towards the right and this lasted until 2000.
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Post# 19335-6/28/2002-09:40 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert - Videos (bad or missing codec)
MESSAGE: Solved the problem by downloading a Divx player called The Playa. Its claim to fame is that it can play incomplete or damaged .avi's. Once I saved the .avi I wanted from archive.org, I just launched The Playa, it went looking for avi's first, I double-clicked the one I wanted, and it played immediately.
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Post# 19336-6/28/2002-09:41 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: St. Joseph, MI
MESSAGE: Anybody know when Whirlpool moved from St. Joseph to Benton Harbor?
Also, where are Kenmores built? Same Benton Harbor facility or somewhere else?
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Post# 19337-6/28/2002-14:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen on eBay
MESSAGE: Commercial machine.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034492906
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Post# 19338-6/28/2002-14:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Easy
MESSAGE: twintub or spindryer
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2034492906
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Post# 19339-6/28/2002-16:38 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Norge Alert in Connecticut - well, sort of...
MESSAGE: OK, guys here's what happened. Today while prowling the three estate sales in my area, there was the usual new Maytag or Kenmore washer/dryer pairs. I am beginning to wonder if most of the elderly in my area buy a new washer and dryer just before they "take their leave".
Anyway in the third house in the Devon section of Milford I hit the basement immediately. In addition to 34 quart sized bottles of Final Touch fabric softener (circa 1986) there was the usual new Kenmore washer (with the blue protective coating over the control panel, if you please!!
THEN, I saw a dryer from the side. No top console - just a square box. I had once seen a Philco Bendix BOL dryer just like that so I thought OK - it helps the cause. Then I moved to the front. And there it was. A Borg Warner built Norge gas dryer. This has to be the most basic model made. No time line, no control panel - single dial timer control located on the top left of the machine right under the name "Norge Automatic Dryer". It doesn't even seem to have an "air fluff cycle". It does have the large push button side opening door, bottom of machine lint tray and the huge door on top of the dryer where there seem to be "gas works". I could not see the continuously burning pilot but I could feel that it was on and it seemed to be behind the door opening on top. The model number is DG 16 ON and the serial number is 697-358.
I am wondering if this might the matching dryer to the single dial Norge washer that Larry (Cleanteam of NY - are you listening?????) found a while ago.
After all that, the wife of the homeowner told me that the dryer was not for sale and would be part of the house when sold. Well, it took some doing, but I think I convinced her that someone buying that house would probably want a few more features than that machine provides. So, she agreed that she would talk to her husband and let me know how much he would want for it. This should be interesting - that thing must be at least 45 years old. Now for the big question. If they do want to sell it do any of you out there want it?? I would love it myself but I do not have gas service so it is kind of pointless - and I can't see installing a propane tank just for a dryer - even a Norge. BTW - this house was set up with natural gas, so if any of you have propane, it will have to be converted. If I don't hear from any of you, I will assume that there is no interest and pass on this. Thanks for the attention. Now why do you think they had all that Final Touch?????????????
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Post# 19340-6/28/2002-16:42 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool lids
MESSAGE: Unimatic:
What Chris says is true. I have seen an Australian version of Consumer Reports printed in 1971, and while Australians tend to wash the same way we do (mostly by using a top loader as opposed to using a front loader), australian machines tend to be designed differently from american machines, even though, they tend to be the same machine. But to my knowledge, the american Whirlpools have never had a lid that has opened sideways, but the australian Whirlpools did (that is, they open toward the left instead of to the left like the american Kenmores do). Only the Kenmores did. Whirlpools have always tended to open from the back. And up to a point, the early Kenmores opened toward the back too. But you are right about one thing. From 1956 on, the Kenmores tend to open toward the left, and to a greater extent, they still do today. Only now, only the flagship top load Kenmores open toward the back (and those would be the Elite models). Otherwise, the standard Kenmores still open toward the left.
--Charles--
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Post# 19341-6/28/2002-17:09 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (How does a Kenmore washer sound when it's in operation......)
MESSAGE: Scott:
Well to my knowledge also, while I have not seen anyone in my family own a Kenmore washer that was manufactured in the 1950's, all of the Kenmore washers that I have been in contact with over the years were manufactured anytime from the early 1960's right up until today. One of my aunts (as well as my grandmother on my father's side) has owned a 1963 (and it is probably a 1962 model too, but I haven't seen a 1962 Lady Kenmore, so I cannot comment on it) Model 800 Lady Kenmore, and I don't know if Kenmore was using the "Quiet Pak" construction (I believe they started using "Quiet Pak" construction on the 1969 Lady Kenmore) on those models back then, but I do know that when those Lady Kenmores were operating, I could barely hear them working, and in many cases, I was in the same room when my aunt and my grandmother were operating their machines. My great aunt (which is my grandmother's sister, also on my father's side) has also own a 1966-67 keyboard Lady Kenmore, and when that machine is in operation, I could also barely hear that one. But now the rest of us, who has owned middle-of-the-line, or bottom-of-the-line Kenmores, you could definitely tell when they were in operation. You could hear them upstairs sometimes when the machines were located in our basements. You probably could hear them filling when you were upstairs, but when they were agitating, draining, or spinning, you definitely hear them then. I don't know if my fellow Kenmore fans would agree with me on these points or not. But in my experience, our Kenmores seem to produce a rhythmic type of sound when they are agitating, sometimes with the water sloshing inside of the tub, depending on what size of load was inside of the basket. Then when they are draining, they would just sit there and hum then while the water either pours down the drain, or spash into a wash tub if you had a sud saver model, and then would shift into spin where it would slowly grind at first, and then as the tub speeds up, then it produces a distinctive (e-ee-eee-eeee-eeeee) sound, with water spraying inside the tub three or four times (often sounding like a background chorus of a singing group) while it is spinning. And they would repeat these sounds when they are finishing up the cycle (the rinse and then the final spin). So in opinion then, I think it is the combination of the motor, the transmission, and the wig-wam and pulleys working together to produce that DISTINCTIVE Kenmore sound when a Kenmore washer is operating, regardless whether the washer is empty, or full of clothes.
--Charles--
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Post# 19342-6/28/2002-18:25 ||| ricky (durham england UK)
SUBJECT: RE: help wanted!! bendix washer dryer in britain 1965 model (different solenoids? british benix 1965)
MESSAGE: Dear gansky1's
thankyou for replying to my plea! i am trying to e mail you some photos of the machine as i dont have a web page to share them with others. I raced along to get the back off my machine to see if it were like the one you mentioned. it is slightly different, mine is air vented with no condenser, auto washers were rare in england in 1965, duos even rarer, condensing ones i dont think hit our market place till the mid 1980's!.
My machine has 3 solenoids, one for a shutter in dryer mode on the back of the drum which works, one on the motor at the front of the machine connected to the pump to either divert wash water away or back ito the drum which works, but only one on the motor and gearbox at the rear of the machine which seems to work fine and when it pulls out the machine pushes into spin. it is unlike modern auto so i dont iknow if i am saying the obvious but in wash or rinse it only tumbles in one direction ( clockwise from the front) without pausing or reversing, and the blower pulley runs constantly even in spin mode do you think this is unusal? as it makes the machine give off a windy howling noise as the shutter on the drum is closed, "unimatic" mentioned that his bendix duos are noisy.
From the back of the machine the drum rotates anti clockwise with the blower fan running clockwise however the drum cannot be rotated in the opposite direction by hand more than a few inches but the blower pulley and motor pulleys can be turned independanlty by hand in certain directions but seem linked after a few turns in another. i thought the solenoid might have 3 position ie out. rest. and in. but i dont think so it only has 2 wires on it which seems connected well, perhaps the fault is in the gearbox? its has been filled with oil (for car gearboxes hope that is okay!) as the machine still had all its engineer notes from when it ws delivered to show how to commision it. one of the notes mentions a "Check that the interruptor actuator moves freely on the shaft!" is that a posh word for the pulley on the blower fan belt that takes up the slack?. if the gearbox is at fault it seems esay to remove do i need to drain it first? and is it easy to fix do you know of any one? sorry for all the questions but if you or anyone can help that would be great.
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Post# 19343-6/28/2002-18:41 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: St. Joseph, MI
MESSAGE: Chris, Whirlpool corporate headquarters are in Benton Harbor right on the shore of Lake Michigan. A small manufacturing facility where washing machine drive system parts are produced is also in Benton Harbor. Whirlpool ceased automatic washer production at the St. Joseph plant in the late 1980's. By the way, St. Joe and Benton Harbor are neighboring small communities; like Homewood & Mountain Brook AL. Most all washer production is at the Clyde(Toledo area) Ohio plant, where 19-20,000 washers a made on a daily basis. The St. Joseph factory was torn down, as was an adjacent auto parts manufacting company called Auto Specialties. On this site now known as "Edgewater", there are newly constructed Whirlpool design and engineering offices for washers, dryers, dishwashers, cooking and Kitchenaid small countertop products. Also, retail shops and residential development are underway as well. There are several other support functions scattered about the area; ......resulting in return addresses on mail having either city referenced.
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Post# 19344-6/28/2002-21:18 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Alert in Connecticut - well, sort of...
MESSAGE: Angus,
Seeing that I live in milford, what street was this sale on??
Geoff
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Post# 19345-6/28/2002-22:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: Of course the fluorescent lighted console. No matching dryer, still had the 1964 Norge.
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Post# 19346-6/28/2002-23:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The Kenmore Whine (question) (does it have to do with the motor being under load?)
MESSAGE: Yes, it made that noise even when empty. What do you think I did when the parents weren't home???
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Post# 19347-6/28/2002-23:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge Alert in Connecticut - well, sort of...
MESSAGE: Geoff - the sale was at 29 Florence Street. It is right off the stretch of Rt.1 near exit 34 heading back toward Stratford. Not much else noteworthy though at that sale.......
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Post# 19348-6/28/2002-23:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Thrash-O-Matic)
MESSAGE: I remember Leslie doing his load of Llaundry in the TimeLine at the Convention. Just seemed to kinda slosh back & forth, but did manage to roll over some. But then again, I was a bit distracted because that was the load in which the timer quit working.
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Post# 19349-6/28/2002-01:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (tub brake))
MESSAGE: I stand corrected after going back to the video again.
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Post# 19350-6/28/2002-01:26 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/24/2002--the Kenmore 800
MESSAGE: One out o 2 is alright!
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Post# 19351-6/29/2002-13:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Incredibly Rare Find Today!
MESSAGE: WOW, I probably had my most important find of the year today. I've always wanted one of these incredibly cool machines and I never thought I would actually find one! While its not an Apex, it's as Rare or possibly even more rare than the Apex.
More pictures to come later after I unload it from the Jeep, here it is just as we found it earlier today...
RARE1
RARE2
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Post# 19352-6/29/2002-14:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE:
MESSAGE: So what the H*ll is it anyway???
I can sort of detect the name "Jamco" on the front, but not sure of that. Looks like faucets on the left side, and a nice stainless lid. Is it a top loading dishwasher? Washer? World's first trash compactor? Cold drink fridge? Freezer? Kitchen TV entertainment center? (Well all your washers would probably qualify as entertainment centers ;-)
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Post# 19353-6/29/2002-14:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: (James Washer?)
MESSAGE: On second inspection (and after Jamco failed to yeild much in terms of web hits for washers), it looks like the badge says "James". And indeed there are James washers, including a modern hand cranked version for the wilderness.
Here's a link, no pic, but only $315!
LINK: http://www.realgoods.com/shop/shop2.cfm?dv=2&dp=208&ts=1063411&kw=clothes
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Post# 19354-6/29/2002-14:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE:
MESSAGE: Here's a pic of the modern hand operated James washer. Obviously not the same design as the one you show, but I wonder if it's the same company.
LINK: http://www.thesustainablevillage.com/thesustainablevillage-cgi-bin/product/AA150
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Post# 19355-6/29/2002-14:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: (Beautiful dishwasher!)
MESSAGE: What a great find - these are one of my favorite ads that show the water splashing onto the glass lid.
Congrats on the great find!
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Post# 19356-6/29/2002-14:42 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: (Beautiful dishwasher!)
MESSAGE: So it's a dishwasher? I used paintbrush to zoom in on the pic, and it does look like a glass lid, with stainless racking underneath it, and maybe even some dishes/glasses waiting to be washed (or finished washing).
Not quite sure why it's so special, except the glass lid would be cool, especially for those who are enthralled by washing action!
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Post# 19357-6/29/2002-15:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE:
MESSAGE: Wow, Robert, that is certainly one of the best finds!! Congratulations.
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Post# 19358-6/29/2002-16:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE:
MESSAGE: Wow! With that kind of luck, you're sure there wasn't an Apex in the next room?
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Post# 19359-6/29/2002-16:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE:
MESSAGE: Robert, what a wonderful find today, I can't wait to see some more pictures. Are that all controls on the top? Does this thing work with an impeller? And what is the size of this dishwasher, it doesn't seem very big and I guess it's not square. It looks really different from other topload dishwashers. I hope it's in good condition.
Louis (back on line for the time being)
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Post# 19360-6/29/2002-16:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: (bug?)
MESSAGE: Is there a bug on Applianceville? There is only "Re:" in the headline, but not the title of the original post.
Louis
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Post# 19361-6/29/2002-17:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Guys, no this is a dishwasher, not a washer of course. It is very Rare as it was not made for very long. The James was actually produced by the Ling-Tempco company. It doesn't use a spray arm or an impeller to wash. It has a long pipe in the bottom of the tank that runs the length of the dw. All along the top of this pipe is a small opening where water is thrown out at with great pressure. Right above this opening is a twisted ribbon that slowly turns and deflects this pressure sweep wave in different directions across the entire tank. It has a wonderful see thru glass lid. As with most vintage finds I can't go and plug it in or fill it with water until I've given it a once-over in the workshop. We're off to a party, but when we return late tonight I will post lots more pictures of the machine.
I never thought I would ever find one of these. Greg do you have an ad handy to scan of the James?
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Post# 19362-6/29/2002-17:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: (No bug, my fault)
MESSAGE: Sorry, No Bug. This was my fault as I had to edit the links in this post and I accidently deleted the coded part of the message that "remembers" the previous text and title.
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Post# 19363-6/29/2002-20:06 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: (Where do you find this stuff?)
MESSAGE: Robert,
That is so cool! Now that is very rare!
Now if I remember right, this machine only took like 10 minutes or so to complete a wash?
Also, did it keep the water in it hot, even when it was not in use?
Very cool!
You have such a stroke of luck!
Brent
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Post# 19364-6/29/2002-20:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE:
MESSAGE: WOW!!!! Robert. I am COMPLETELY awestruck & speechless at the same time. WHEW!!! I too NEVER imagined that I would EVER see anything like this in my life--even if it is right NOW a photo. I know someday I'll actually get to touch it.
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Post# 19365-6/29/2002-21:37 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool lids
MESSAGE: On the Aussie WHirlpool though the lids opend 180 degreeswhere as on the Kenomre they only seem to open 90 degrees which i think would be rather limiting.
No washer on the market today has a lid opening to the side. they all open to the rear.
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Post# 19366-6/29/2002-21:39 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: (what is it?)
MESSAGE: What on earth is it?
It looks like some kind of sink.
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Post# 19367-6/29/2002-21:40 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Ohh I see!
I posted too soon!
Very interesting.
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Post# 19368-6/29/2002-21:55 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Neat find Robert)
MESSAGE: Robert I would say that today was your lucky day!! Can the Apex be very far off?? When were these dishwashers made? I bet that it will be neat to watch the washing action. What method of drying did this machine provide? I will sure be looking forward to more pictures. Thanks for sharing. Terry
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Post# 19369-6/29/2002-23:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: Well as promised here are more pictures of the James. I unhooked the pump wiring so I could try the machine out dry and the motor appears to run the pipe water throwing impeller and the wave ribbon. That's a good sign. I'm still working on restoring my '48 Admiral TV and when that is done with I will begin working on the James. I don't like starting one project until the previous one is completely finished.
I still can't believe I actually found a James today!
Anyway, here are some more close ups of the James as well as other things in this house today...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/JAMES/James.htm
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Post# 19370-6/29/2002-23:46 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: Angus- this ones for you!!!!
MESSAGE: While my brother and i were out cruising today in the old car, I was looking around and on a lot on New haven Ave. in Milford, I noticed an old, old Maytag ringer!!! I wondered why that was sitting out there so I looked at the sign on the building and gasped. I discovered a store in Milford called "Milford Used Appliance Store". I saw in the window agitators and such... I asked my brother to stop but since we were on a ride, he wouldnt. So I couldnt quite tell you what they had but it looked like a great store. I'ts on New Haven ave. closer to the Woodmont section of Milford across from Pop's Donuts. So if you get there before me, let me know, and if I get there before you, I'll let you know...I just thought I'd share this discovery with you since we live so close to each other. Well, enjoy, if this peaks your interest!!
Geoff
LINK:
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Post# 19371-6/29/2002-23:46 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Angus- this ones for you!!!!
MESSAGE: Please forgive the Link, I have no idea how the hell that got in there!!!
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Post# 19372-6/29/2002-23:51 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: Robert, what an amazing discovery! I saw one of these many, many years ago, but it was no longer working and I couldn't figure out how it actually washed. Can't wait until you get it running ... that see-thru top will make a great video.
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Post# 19373-6/29/2002-00:11 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (What a wonderful machine)
MESSAGE: Thnax again for all your hard work!
I am building up quite a library of videos I can watch whenever. Isnt the internet wonderful we can share these things all around the world.
The Norge's long slow strokes are great to watch a nice change from the short fast whirlpool thrashing!
The agitator reminds me of those great fluid drive Simpsons wit its S shaped vanes thought I am very postive that early Simpsons didnt have Norge hertitage.
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Post# 19374-6/29/2002-00:16 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Just to be a real pain!
MESSAGE: Are any of the old members who dont post much anymore adverse to having their machines posted in the museum.
I have been looking through some of the photo albums recently and their are some great machines out there and the museum is a great way to organise them all!
If any of you are reading this please forget some of the hoo haa of recent times and share your classics with a very eager worldwide audience!
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Post# 19375-6/30/2002-03:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: That is a wonderful ingenious system in the James dishwasher. Thank you for the pictures.
I noticed that the Kelvinator dryer has a somewhat awkward timer, when you turn it clockwise you begin at 10 minutes and then you get to 20 minutes, unlike other timers. Is this timer running backwards when you start the dryer?
Louis
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Post# 19376-6/30/2002-04:19 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Whirlpool Portable Washer)
MESSAGE: That Whirlpool portable washer cabinet is very similar to the Kenmore portable machine my mom used to own! On the back of the machine is a lever that when pulling it to the right and locked into place, the machine is lifted off the ground 1 1/2" where it could be rolled in front of a sink then placed the lever back to the left, it placed the feet back onto the floor so it will not move all over the place during the spin cycle!
That machine is not a portable, it is consider as a standard due to the fact it can wash up to a 10-12 lbs. of dry mixed load than todays portables that can wash up to only 8 lbs. of dry mixed load!
What a great find!
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Post# 19377-6/30/2002-07:52 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Wash Load in Minneapolis Viewed Round The World (Simpson heritage)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh
The origin of the fluid drive Simpson is one of life's mysteries for me too. I had long suspected that it was Speed Queen, but only due to the use of the term Fluid Drive. When I was in the US in 1981 a neighbour had an old Speed Queen in the garage, it was a Fluid Drive. I wonder about their later ones, too.
Chris.
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Post# 19378-6/30/2002-08:00 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
That's a very sexy dishwasher you've found there. Is it a commercial unit or for domestic use? It looks so heavy duty, it occurred to me it might be commercial.
I bet that wave ribbbon wash action is entertaining to watch, you won't need a TV at all.
Chris.
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Post# 19379-6/30/2002-08:03 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Angus- this ones for you!!!!
MESSAGE: Geoff - thanks and I will make it my business to get there this coming week. Hopefully, they may have some good finds - all of the used appliance dealers in lower Fairfield County have nothing of interest. I have seen countless late model GE/Hotpoints, Maytags and Whirlpool/Kenmores. I just can't imagine that there is not a Philco, Norge or Frigidaire around here. I have started going to estate sales every weekend, but I think the sad fact is that we live in Maytag territory.........
BTW - did you have a chance to go over to Florence Street to see that Norge gas dryer????
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Post# 19380-6/30/2002-08:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: POD 6/30
MESSAGE: That's Jimmy, Greg and myself at the farm when we found the Philco Imperial. So sad that the one we found was after this perky housewife ruined it by washing farm clothes in it...
On the farm, the machine faced south, the colored plastic was faded and melted, the buttons dried, cracked and brittle, knobs missing... Brings a tear to the eye...
-ph
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Post# 19381-6/30/2002-08:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Congrats on the find)
MESSAGE: Bizarre way to wash! I would have thought that the downfall of these machines would be the ribbon braking. Did you get the story behind the machine, like the kids bought it for gran, but she used it once and preferred to wash dishes by hand (the old wringer-automatic-wringer story)?
I even had a find yesterday, a 1961 KM dryer. I have the same model at home, but a 1962, and this one was rode HARD. I just took some parts from it (the control panel, lint screen, door springs, ozone lamp assembly, tubular fan belt), and left the rest for the crusher. There was also a 1970 Model 70 washer in the back, from which I made off with the control knobs.
-ph
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Post# 19382-6/30/2002-10:05 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: Dirt can't hide from intensified Tide......
MESSAGE: Just looking at the POD and really remember the TV Ad for that "new" Tide formula I think it was like 1968.
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Post# 19383-6/30/2002-10:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/30
MESSAGE: I know the feeling..............if only we could turn the clock.....
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Post# 19384-6/30/2002-10:55 ||| Jakins (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Great Pics.)
MESSAGE: Thanks For the pics. Robert. What a great find. Glad to see that the James found the proper home. Can't wait to see a video of it in action..
Congrats
John
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Post# 19385-6/30/2002-10:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Sorry, no ads)
MESSAGE: I don't have any for the James - I do see them from time to time on Ebay. What year was this machine made?
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Post# 19386-6/30/2002-11:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: Wow - that house looks like it's been frozen in time. Usually, those are the best sales - the pack rats that haven't cleaned in many years....
Great pictures of that machine - I would imagine it's a fairly simple design. It will be beautiful up and running!
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Post# 19387-6/30/2002-11:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/30
MESSAGE: I should have taken better pictures of that Philco Imperial out on the farm. (where are your pictures by the way?)
I can't make it out the POD machine, but the one on the farm had beautiful, bright blue-speckled porcelain (matched the tub) around the countour opening under the lid. It is too bad that it was in such bad shape.
If the rumors are true, I suspect that even with Intensified Tide, the housewife pictured soon learned that her washer was barely able to clean a small load of socks, let alone a full load of dirty denims!
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Post# 19388-6/30/2002-11:17 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/30
MESSAGE: For minute there I thought you were blaming the poor clothes! It was really the sun that did the damage? That UV will getcha every time!
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Post# 19389-6/30/2002-11:22 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Congrats on the find)
MESSAGE: I was discussing this machine with some applianophiles recently, and someone said that these James dishwashers sold very well at first, but they didn't actually clean all that well, so there were lots of complaints. So maybe sales dropped off quickly which is why they are so rare today. Perhaps the owner used it only for glassware and rinsed off any heavily soiled dishes etc. It will be interesting to see what kind of results Robert gets with this well preserved specimen. If anything it should make for entertaining video, even if it doesn't match the cleaning efficiency of a modern dishwasher.
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Post# 19390-6/30/2002-12:56 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Whirlpool Portable Washer)
MESSAGE: You're saying that that Whirlpool isn't a portable due to its capacity? It looked like a portable to me...
Anyway. I'd sure like to have it! So, I need to scope out that area and see if the sale's still going. I've got a portable Kenmore dryer, I just need a portable automatic washer to go along with it.
Are you listening, Unimatic?
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Post# 19391-6/30/2002-18:16 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (James DW )
MESSAGE: Robert what a Great find - to me the best part of this is that it has a window. I always thought all dishwashers should have windows. Are you going to hookup in your kitchen?
Nice Kelvinator dryer - to bad it wasent a washer.
Best of Luck
Peter
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Post# 19392-6/30/2002-18:18 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (James DW)
MESSAGE: I thing the reason the very old dishwashers didnt wash that well was because the cycle times werent that long and also a lot of them didnt heat water like modern ones do today. But the older designs are awsome.
Peter
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Post# 19393-6/30/2002-20:53 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (James DW)
MESSAGE: True, wasn't the total cycle time for this about 20 minutes, or less? No heater could impact performance, and I wonder if there was any provision for drying. Still, I keep my water heater at about 140F to minimize use of the electric heater in my dishwasher and clothes washer. But I imagine it cools down in the lines after the first dishwasher fill, even though I've taken pains to insulate the hot water line going to it.
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Post# 19394-6/30/2002-21:10 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (W-o-o H-o-o!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Great find, Robert, I think this was the model that was also sold as part of a Universal Gas Range (tucked in under the burners) I only have an owners manual for the later model Ling-Temco Dishwasher, the one that hung on the wall. I think that James was the fore-runner of Waste King, via the Universal connection.....I'll have to look back in my old Builders magazines......Bravo to you, you deserve these great finds considering all the work you put into this site :-) SteveD
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Post# 19395-6/30/2002-21:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: It must run backwards Louis, I have never seen a Kelvinator Dryer in operation before. It appears to look like a GE designed dryer but I'm not positive.
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Post# 19396-6/30/2002-21:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, the James was made for housewifes to use in their kitchen. Its built like a tank and the stainless steel is just beautiful.
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Post# 19397-6/30/2002-21:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Congrats on the find)
MESSAGE: No the estate sales workers rarely have any idea about the history of the things in the house, it would be interesting to find out though.
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Post# 19398-6/30/2002-21:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (1953)
MESSAGE: There are parts marked Nov 1952 and Feb 1953, so I assume it was assembled in '53.
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Post# 19399-6/30/2002-21:39 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Whirlpool Portable Washer)
MESSAGE: Yes, that is what I'm saying!
If you look at that portable of then and compare it to the portable of today's machine it is much larger!
The cabinet is deceiving, if you seen the size of the tub and compare, then you will know what I mean!
I was looking for that web page of that Sears Ad that is posted so you could see the dimensions of the unit.
I've found it, here's the link!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=%2768+KM+18lb+Washer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 19400-6/30/2002-21:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 6/30
MESSAGE: Greg - you can't really see the true color of the blue porcelain from the P.O.D. It was really beautiful "in person". I may have remarked in previous posts that that machine in particular was really a spectacular sight while running. With the control panel lit up, it glowed in all of the different colors. Very dramatic.....
I have heard various comments on the washing ability of the later Philcos. It seems that they didn't wash as well as the earlier Philcos - possibly because the wash plate on later models was more curved down "like a helmet" while on the earlier Automagics and Miss A's it was more flat. Also possibly because the wash plate remained the same size while the tub capacities increased wash action was compromised.......
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Post# 19401-6/30/2002-21:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Update)
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve, you are correct, I have seen the James sold as a tuck-under for a Gas Range.
Well I said I was going to wait and not start to play with this new toy until I finished working on my '48 Admiral, but I just couldn't wait. So I primed the pump with hot water and hooked up the James.
The water valve was shot so I rebuilt it. The James does Work! It needs some TLC and the gearcase needs some grease, but it seems to work fine. Rich is correct, the cycle is about 20 minutes total. There is a heating element but it is only used to heat the final Rinse water to 175 degrees F.
When the cycle is completed, lid pops up to let out a huge column of steam which is something I could do without in July, but it was soooo cool. The washing action looks rather impressive, but the wash cycle itself can't be more than 8 or so minutes. Then it drains and goes on and performs two rinses. The fill is just wonderful, the flume is at the top and sprays a large fan of hot water, with great pressure, across the entire length of the dishwasher. The timer is completely mechanical being turned by a gear off of the gearcase. The shape of timer dial itself acts as a lock to lock the lid down during the cycle.
Imagine a dishwasher with a transmission! Who ever heard of such a thing! What a really neat machine this is. The water action against the window is really impressive, can't wait to show you guys after the restoration.
One funny thing I forgot to mention yesterday, as Gary and I were carring this machine out of the estate sale house, a woman said to me "what is that thing"? I explained its an early 50's DW. She krinkled her nose and said "well I'm sure it doesn't work any more, you probably just threw $20 away". Since it for the most part works, I guess my $20 was well worth it! LOL.
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Post# 19402-6/30/2002-22:48 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Interesting)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Can you load some "mock" dishes in it just to show how the tray is loaded?
That sounds so interesting how well it ran! I wonder when was the last time it was used?
How strong would you say the spray is? I bet it will be great to watch both loaded and empty.
Thanks for the photo's.
Brent
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Post# 19403-6/30/2002-00:40 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Update)
MESSAGE: Cool! Thanks for the update and test drive report!
Is that lady "Minnesota Nice" or what? ;-)
A gearcase, eh? I suppose the closest modern dw come to that are the mini-garbage disposers and maybe the way the Frigidaires cycle from upper to lower arms (using a clever ball float system).
How did a range sit on top? Wasn't it disconcerting to have the range top flip up at the end of the cycle to let steam out, and all the Chef-Boy-Ar-Dee goes flying?
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Post# 19404-6/30/2002-00:44 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: Convention Count Needed
MESSAGE: Hello Everyone,
I need an updated list of all who are attending the convention along with what hotel you are staying at, if any. Please e-mail me at surgilator_68@yahoo.com
On Thursday I will post the names of those who have e-mailed me along with those who need transportation.
Jason
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Post# 19405-7/1/2002-04:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (More Pictures)
MESSAGE: What, not house husbands too?
hee hee.
Chris.
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Post# 19406-7/1/2002-06:37 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Great Norge Video's! Norge Washer Question
MESSAGE: Robert thanks for the great Norge Washer videos. I just got around to them.
It seems like a very strong machine.
Is there an adjustment to the agitator for the lint filter that causes the "birp"? Is that a knob at the top of the agitator that you turn or something to make it birp? Also, was it pulling water from suction from the bottom of the tub through the middle of the agitator to get it to work like that? I really like the wash agitation. Seems as though no matter where the clothes are in the tub it is getting some strong movement.
One more....The holes at the top of the tub, is that the only holes that the water goes through during the spin, or does it actually go over the top of the tub also? I was so suprised at how fast it got the water out, and got up to speed.
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 19407-7/1/2002-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher ($20 Well Spent)
MESSAGE: That poor dear would probably have a siezure if she knew what we spent on some of our vintage treasures!
The James sounds wonderful - I knew you couldn't wait to play with it!
A tranny, wow, can't wait to see some pics of that. Have fun!
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Post# 19408-7/1/2002-08:07 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (oops....)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, I think I was incorrect in the James - Waste King connection... however, I did find an ad from 1954, showing this dw as a built in model. One style was similar to the Westinghouse/GE style of that day, but they also show a drop in style installed in a counter with the glass lid "Lots of 6, builders price.....$119.97". Apparently, they made the switch to plastisol coated racks at the same time...it was pretty advanced for the era, having both a "Micro-fliter" and fibreglass insulation. The 18" width was the big promo feature, too SteveD
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Post# 19409-7/1/2002-09:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Interesting)
MESSAGE: Sure Brent when I get a chance I'll pictures do a mock dishload in the James, although I'm not quite sure what is the best loading technique for these odd racks.
I would say the spray is very strong, but I was running it empty without any racks so it was hard to say. We will see.
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Post# 19410-7/1/2002-09:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Update)
MESSAGE: Rich the James DW slide into the 36" Gas Range like a car into a garage. They took out the left side of the range that was used for storage so the dw could be slide into it when not in use. You then rolled the James out to the sink when you wanted to wash dishes.
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Post# 19411-7/1/2002-09:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (oops....)
MESSAGE: WOW, maybe I will build it in when Neal and I build our kitchen in the next house, that would be very fun!
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Post# 19412-7/1/2002-09:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Great Norge Video's! Norge Washer Question
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, the filter has no adjustment what so ever. That knob on top of the agitator is the agitator cap that holds down the agitation to the drive block. There are holes at the bottom of the agitator that suck the water up through it.
Those holes at the top of the tub are used for the overflow rinse only, there is another set of holes that you cant see set up and under the rim of the tub for centrifugal draining during spin.
Brent I have a question for you, possibly JasonL might be able to help too, but I will post it in the sandbox. Thanks.
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Post# 19413-7/1/2002-14:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (Oh Now IC)
MESSAGE: Thanks, that sounds better. So it had wheels to roll around as needed. I like stuff with wheels, and am relieved to hear the rangetop would not be upset at the end of each dishwashing cycle.
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Post# 19414-7/1/2002-22:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (oops....)
MESSAGE: Build a kitchen in the next house? Oh MY!!!! Having to disassemble your present Kitchen's treasures PLUS the basement's treasures. And so gingerly move every piece of equipment. Oh well, next house means larger basement for MORE treasures!!!!! And whoever buys that house, what a classy basement floor. It was beautiful when you put it in.
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Post# 19415-7/2/2002-09:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: POD 7/2
MESSAGE: And for an earlier version of this ad, please click below...
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2117098566
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Post# 19416-7/2/2002-10:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 7/2
MESSAGE: I have the sales info for this washer - will scan and post later....
TOL 56-57 Philco with ball point balance, variable-positive fill solid basket washer with overflow and spray rinsing....beautiful washer!
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Post# 19417-7/2/2002-11:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Mom's Bendix
MESSAGE: Yesterday I took my mom to the pharmacy to pick up some medication, and while we were waiting I had a chance to jog her memory about her old Bendix. The machine was bought new in about 1950, and her husband had bolted it down on a concrete block in the basement. It had a detergent door on the top, and she said it washed pretty well. After a number of years of good service the motor went out and it was never fixed. Instead they used a local laundromat - which is something I never realized. It was not a combo model, she said she had to hang the clothes out to dry. So, my guess is that it was a model similar to what Uni has. She laughed when I told her that I remebered she wouldn't let me near it, and that I was a bit frightened of it when I saw it overflowing with suds and her frantic reaction. She wondered if the motor gave out because she over sudsed it too much.
What memories.
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Post# 19418-7/2/2002-12:27 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Sudsy gave a good idea. Let's start a thread about our mother's washer. You know the one you remember growing up with and for some of you (including me), it's your dream machine. I'll start it off.
My mom's washer was a 1970ish Kenmore 800 washer. It had 6 cycles: Normal, 2nd rinse, Perm Press, Delicate, Presoak, Prewash. It had 5 water temps: c/c, w/c, w/w, h/w, h/c, variable water level, 2nd rinse and prewash switches. It had a lighted console, detergent/fabric softener, bleach dispenser, and came with a gold Roto Swirl agitator. As far as memories, I could fill a page with that. Let's see. My first memory of the washer was when I crawled into the laundry room and my mom was either loading or unloading. The thing that caught my eye was the light. When I started walking and talking better I asked what it was and my mom told me it was a washer. She put a chair in front of it so I could stand up and watch the whole cycle. After a few years I learned how to use the washer and do laundry, so now I was able to work the controls. This happened every week until one grim day in 1983 when the 800 went to Krusher. And I've been on the hunt for a K800 ever since.
So what's your washer story?
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Post# 19419-7/2/2002-14:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (The Gas Range that Washes Dishes)
MESSAGE: Speak of the Devil...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2118169109
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Post# 19420-7/2/2002-16:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Jason, what happened to it that she got rid of it?
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Post# 19421-7/2/2002-16:12 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Close to the K 800
MESSAGE: Today I just hand to share this story with you Classic Appliance fans!
While I was working today, I was picking up regular collection and right before break time for lunch, I've came across a 1971 or 1972 Golden harvest Kenmore 110.7204700G and I could not let the recycling truck take that ole lady away! I spoke to my fellow co-workers who was on the recycling truck to leave that machine and I will pick it up later! Thank God that they never made it to the block! I've had the opportunity to ask another co-worker to help me load that TOL Lady Kenmore with the *Super-Roto-Swirl* agitator into my car for transport for home!
She is fully loaded like the K 800 and just needs a lot of work to restore her to her prime glory days of yester year!
Today was a hot day here in Brooklyn, NY, but the sweat of getting this prize home was well worth it!
Ok folks, I know y'all want some Pics of the Two cycle Norge and well as this latest discovery, I can not afford a camera at this time, but I will ask a co-worker of mine to take photos of these machines since he has a digital camera. I will ask him and see if he would do this for me the next time we chat online.
Also I ran across a Kenmore dryer 110.6717701 Gas dryer with soft heat. I refused to bring him home, the dryer top was off the cabinet and the dial was missing for the timer but with a little TLC, he could be whipped back into shape.
For some reason dryers does not turn me on like a Washer. So this will be an area where I would lack in my slowly but growing my laundry machine collection!
Also, can somebody please tell me why the inside of these machine has so much rust?
My parents 1984 Kenmore washer has very little rust inside and outside the cabinet, except around the drain coupling from the basket to the pump? My Father and sister use their machine everyday and no major rusting to be found!
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Post# 19422-7/2/2002-16:16 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Whirlpool LJA-3200 bought in January 1962 before I was born. Replaced in June 1976 by an LDA-7800.
White, all porcelain. MagicMix brush filter, chrome with window. High, medium, low water levels. Hot/warm, warm/warm, cold/cold. Normal cycle, gentle cycle. Black bakelite Surgilator with chrome cap. Grey speckled basket.
When I was but a tot, there was a red stool I stood on to see inside the machine. I also occasionally crawled inside and stood in the basket (not with it running, of course!).
The pressure switch was out-of-adjustment for several years, shifting the water levels several inches higher than they should have been. Low was medium, medium was high, and high was HIGH. I remember sheets from each of the three beds were washed in separate loads and always on high, which was wayyy underloaded. The serviceman finally adjusted the pressure switch for correct levels on one of the several service calls the machine had. I was amazed, I hadn't know it was supposed to be any other way. After that, with the low level being "right," there was enough water pressure that a warm rinse would occasionally finish filling before the timer advanced off the 'rinse fill' increment to the 'rinse agitate' and there would be a brief pause before agitation started. I always thought the one increment deep rinse agitation wasn't long enough.
I remember a couple cases in which the water valves hung open and it overflowed. Possibly sand or debris in the water supply.
It oversudsed horribly, with Tide, Cheer, and the other high-sudsing detergents of the time. I finally got mom to try All and Dash.
When it was spinning a bit off-balance, the drain hose would thump against the back of the machine. I would sit on top and reach back there to hold it quiet. One time I put too much pressure on the hose and broke it at the crook of the bend into the standpipe, YIKES drain water running everywhere!
The centrifugal switch on the motor went wonky and sometimes didn't reset to the start winding when it shut off after the first spin, in which case it didn't start right away for the rinse agitation, particularly on Gentle.
Upon first exposure to machines that spun the water out, I figured out how to trip the water level switch and spin the water out as well. Fun, fun, fun! I've already told the story on how water would leak from the tub clip slots.
I was a serious timer tweaker. I managed to find a position between increments leading into the rinse fill where the machine would agitate and fill at the same time. Or maybe it would agitate and fill, then drain when the pressure switch was satisfied, and repeat until the 'increment' ran out, like the Kenmore cool-down. Something funky like that. I also found that by gingerly pushing the timer on the last spin increment on normal, the motor would shut off but the spin solenoid remained energized such that the brake didn't activate and it would coast to a stop . . . like my aunt's Speed Queen!
The guide pin on the spin wigwag broke and was replaced by a nail.
Bearings were replaced twice, maybe three times. Something about the serviceman forgot to change either the upper or lower bearing (or both) on one of the incidents.
I tried one time to make an attachment for a console light with an incandescent bulb and melted a hole in the plastic over the timer box!
There was always an old plastic haircomb around for cleaning the brush filter. I remember once trying to make the basket stop faster (the brake was kinda weak in those days), and needed something with which to grab the basket else I'd burn or cut my fingers on the curled lip. So I used the comb, and lost it over the edge into the outer tub! It got stuck underneath and was rubbing on the basket, making a noise during spin. I panicked and managed to somehow work THROUGH the basket perfs and maneuver it down into the pump protector at the tub outlet so it no longer rubbed on the basket. There it stayed until the serviceman found it during the next overhaul!
It was also fun, fun, fun when the mercury switch bracket finally rusted off and it would spin with the lid open.
How's that for memories?!
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Post# 19423-7/2/2002-16:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Boy that machine had quite the eventful little 14 year life didn't it? LOL I know you were a large family and particularly being standard capacity I'm sure it got plenty of use! Did you have a dryer in those days, or just a washer?
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Post# 19424-7/2/2002-16:31 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Dryer was a 1964 model, LME-4600 I think. It stayed for almost a couple years longer than the 1976 washer, and was finally replaced due to the capacity difference.
High, low, air temperatures. Regular and air cycles on the timer. Never did understand the need for a separate Air cycle, along with the Air temperature setting!
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Post# 19425-7/2/2002-16:55 ||| jetaction (Minnepolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Mom's was a Maytag wringer, E2L-still have that one. We finally got a Speed Queen in 72, Mom and Dad didn't take me with or even tell me they were going to buy an automatic, which bothered me alot at the time. Looking back, I am sure they knew I would drive them nuts telling them which features our household couldn't live without! One grandmother had a Kenmore 110-5905803, which I have found and am using. The other grandmother had a Frigidaire Custom Imperial-1965. I have a WCDRK. The most fun was the neighbors Lady Kenmore (about 65-66) that had all of the A-B-C... push buttons on the console. Is this called a keyboard console? It had three speeds, self cleaning lint filter, and so on. If anyone knows how I would find one of these, let me know. Thanks for the interesting stories.
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Post# 19426-7/2/2002-17:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Don, welcome to the club, it sounds like you have quite a nice collection! Scott
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Post# 19427-7/2/2002-18:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 7/2 (56-57 Philco Washer Sales Data)
MESSAGE: Beautiful in it's simplicity....
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=56-57+Philco+Washer.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 19428-7/2/2002-18:18 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Beautiful James Sweep Flow Dishwasher (I love that. I bet that you will find the Range next Robert!)
MESSAGE: That is so neat.
I think that my mom had a Universal Gas range in one of the homes that we had when I was a kid. Nothing like that one though.
So did Universal team up with James to come up with this idea, or was James owned by Universal?
Brent
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Post# 19429-7/2/2002-18:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 7/2 (56-57 Philco Washer Sales Data)
MESSAGE: Don't you have a machine similar to this in the "to be done" area?
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Post# 19430-7/2/2002-18:43 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: As a kid through my teen years and several several washers and dryers from GE's with mini baskets to I would say a set of each of the Kenmore's with the electronic controls my mom would do something that would really upset me. We would have fights about it!
She would let it fill, then agitate awhile with the soap in it with out any clothes. Then she would stop it and put in the clothes. How crazy is that?! She was as crazy about doing it as I was as crazy about her NOT doing it! Sometimes she would get a call from a friend, and the machine would go through the whole cycle.
I don't think that she does it anymore. At least when I am not around, scared that I might go into some childish fit or somthing.
I remember one time when she was getting a new pair and I wanted her so bad to get a front loader that Sears had. (I would say it was about 1976) She asked the sales person: "Can you stop it during the first wash with soap in it, then add the clothes?" I remember having a big drama fit on the sales floor, and the sales people looking at me like they were afraid of me. Needless to say, she did not get a front loader.
I love her to death!
Parents.
Brent
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Post# 19431-7/2/2002-19:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: hmmmmmm....interesting. I've seen people with wringer washers do that moreso than automatics. I'm just trying to imagine in my mind though, what frontloader Sears may have been offering back in 1976...not that you may have known the difference then but I bet it was kind of small or not very good with extraction. Anyone know of one they had back then?
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Post# 19432-7/2/2002-19:05 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: I don't think your mom was all that crazy. By adding the soap/detergent first, she was making sure that it dissolved fully, and softened the water, before adding the clothes. This could have prevented caking of detergent on the clothes. I remember older washing machine instructions saying to add the detergent first, then the clothes, and then start the machine. She just reversed the order of the last two steps. Forgetting to add the laundry though is not good, a real waste. LOL.
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Post# 19433-7/2/2002-19:53 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: Of course there was the 48 or 49 Bendix that got me hooked on washers. This was replaced by a 55 or 56 GE (to keep me from playing in the Bendix while it was going) that had a copper colored area of the backsplash, a slightly off-centered dial with small lighted area to highlight where cycle point was, and 4 turqoise buttons on the far right (off, warm, hot, and water saver). Black activator but on filter-flo. The owners manual talked about an overslow rinse, but ours never id that. In the same owners manual was another GE model that had two dials rather than dial and buttons. The second dial was called a fabri-flex dial. Had hot, warm, cold, and off settings. There was a turqoise push-down button between the two dials for the water saver. This was replaced by the 1964 Norge Dispense-all that has been a POD. Then the same Kenmore 800 as Jason. Then I went off to college. Then came a 19769 GE 2-speed washer and then in 1995 the Dependable Care LAT 9804.
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Post# 19434-7/2/2002-19:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: Brent, my mom does the same thing. And she'd never have a full lload but always highest water level. Drove me crazy. Epitome of this was when we visited my sister in San Francisco suburb in 1990 or 1991 during the height of their water shortage. My sister has a Maytag. My filled it up on highest water level. Let it sit for a wehile. Then put in 5 bath towels and that was it. Load could have been done on less water. My sister was always very conscious of wter conservation at the time. Drove me nuts that she wasted so much water repeatedly doing laundry.
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Post# 19435-7/2/2002-21:43 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: My mother had a boring 70 something Maytag. One speed, regular, gentle and perm. press. Hot, Warm, Cold. Small, Medium, and Normal. She had it something like 20 years. The one good thing i remember about it was the pullout lint filter in the agitator, that filter caught more lint than anything I've ever seen. OK, here is a good one guys. Get out your calculators, we are going to do some math to help me figure out some years here. My Gradmother had an old Maytag that was sold with the house in, if I remember correctly, 1989. I remember at the time asking my mother if they were going to scrap the Maytag, she said no way, there is nothing wrong with it!! She then told me at that time it was thirty years old. So that brings us to around 1960. NOW, next to the Maytag for as long as i can remember was a GM Frigidaire whose cabinet was smaller than the Maytag. My grandmother used to store her detergent powders ontop of this machine because she told me it didnt work. I DO remember though that it had 2 knobs. One was a cycle selector that was angled up, and a very small temperature knob that only had, warm and hot, it had a Black pulsator that had a chunk out of it(possibly why they bought the Maytag!!!) It was a solid tub and i remember that around the top of the tub it had something like louvres to let the water out.. Can someone PLEASE help me identify this machine!! My mother doesnt remember much about it but i do and Heres a hint.. I've never seen anything like it in anyones albums, pictures, or restorations.. Needless to say it went to the dump when the house sold because my father told me it was badly rusted on the inside of the cabinet (my grandmothers basement flooded CONSTANTLY!!!!) This went machine was replaced with the Maytag somewhere around 59-61.. and i DONT know how long they had it, but i would LOVE to find this machine again. I do remember that the control p[anel was almost flat against the top. I hope this paints a picture for someone out there.. If you need more info, let me know!!
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Post# 19436-7/2/2002-22:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Sounds Like A '56 Pulsamatic)
MESSAGE: Geoff, it sort of sounds like your Grandmother had a 1956 Frigidaire Deluxe or Super Pulsamatic. Click on the link below and see if it is one of the two machines on the right side??? Let us know.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WANTED/WANTED%20Frigidaire/Frigidaire-56.jpg
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Post# 19437-7/2/2002-22:35 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Sounds Like A '56 Pulsamatic)
MESSAGE: Thanks UNI, i am almost sure it is the one in the middle, if that one has the tiny temperature knob on the laft side then its exactly that.. I do remember that the agitator from it looks like the one in the convention videos for the pulsamatic...
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Post# 19438-7/2/2002-22:41 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Mom's washer)
MESSAGE: I was about 2+ years old when my parents bought their first washer and one of the first on the block, a 1951 Frigidaire WO-65. I have fond memories of pressing my body against the cabinet when the spin cycle occurred. The heat from the hot water emptying into the cabinet and the slight vibration of the machine felt really good. The transmission of this machine was repaired in 1959 and continued to be used until 1963 when it stopped working and my parents purchased a 1963 Frigidaire washer model WCDA-63 with two cycles, two speeds, and two water temperature settings. It was still in use until 1996 when the outer tub rusted out and we were concerned about the water leakage near the motor. If I knew there was a group of classic appliance guys then I probably would still have a fun machine to play with rather than having it junked. By then GM Frigidaire was a memory and my parents purchased a Maytag and complained constantly about how mediocre it washed and how the clothes were so wet after the spin cycle. They had been spoiled by having two Frigidaire washers for so long for a family of ten.
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Post# 19439-7/2/2002-22:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Mom's washer)
MESSAGE: I have heard this particular story before, but I'm glad you shared it again for the others! Your folks got great service from both those machines, esp. in light of how large your family was. I imagine the first Unimatic in particular did many loads of diapers, which I am sure were almost dry by the time they left the washer! Did they have a dryer?
Our first Frigidaire washer was a WCI-61. This was used in our home (washer only) (4 kids by the end) until 1965, when my Grandma moved into our house and we moved to a new, much larger house. Then, we got a 1965 WCI-65 rapidry pair in turquoise! We later obtained and my parents still have a 1979 1-18 pair in almond, which is now semi-retired and will one day be in my possession. The WCI-61 was sold with our first house in 1990, looking and operating like the day it was new. Many of our friends and relatives had Frigidaire washers too, although for many years the WCI-61 was the oldest I had seen in person. Wonderful as the multi- and roller-matics are, it is really fun and interesting to see a Unimatic in operation! Just a remarkable, very advanced machine, especially for its time.
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Post# 19440-7/2/2002-23:25 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: My old Champ is a Maytag E2L! All I did when I got it was fix the drain hose, clean it up, and plug it in! It will be my backup when I get the new portable. Yup, I'll always have it. It's MINE! You just can't kill an old wringer.
My mother's washing machine was a '64 vintage Whirlpool with a Magic Comb lint filter. The one distinct thing I remember about that machine was the "Whirlpool whine". I thought about how my kitty would meow, and and the way the Whirlpool would whine. So now, everytime I see a Siamese cat, I think about my mother's old Whirlpool!
When I was about 12, me and that washer got to be real close "buddies" after my mother got me acquainted with it. So, not only did I have a pet Siamese, I also had a pet washing machine. Since the poor critter was down in the basement, its timer went out and it started rusting badly, and then it kicked the bucket after 12 years jeans, rags, and what ever us kids could throw at it. It got replaced with a B.O.L. Kenmore, which rusted out within about the next three years or so. Then, she got a Norge. I think it lasted until about 1983, until the motor got tired and it gummed up after my sister "adopted" it (I guess that one had too much cholesterol in its diet). After the Norge, she finally decided on a machine that would stand what ever she could dish out: She got a Maytag. You know. The one with the turquoise agitator with the removable lint filter, and no personality. There was no way I could get that thing to talk, or meow, or what ever. It's gummy, it's sludgy. And, it looks like it's about ready for its last prayer. It is one sick, dingy, featureless, ugly old machine. However. After 20 years, you still just can't kill it.
My step father once tried to put it out of its misery with the greasiest coveralls he could find after working on his old Chevy rust bucket of a pickup truck. The old Maytag hiccuped a couple times, then it choked. By then, my step father thought that machine was finally gonna have its last big mac attack. Nope. Just like The Crypt Keeper coming up out of his coffin, that thing regurgitated his coveralls and swollowed the rest of the smudge AND the goop. Now, it looks worse than it EVER did. But It's STILL ALIVE! IT WON'T DIE! You see, folks. You can't kill my mother's old Maytag. 'Cause IT'S BEEN DEAD FOR OVER 15 YEARS!
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Post# 19441-7/2/2002-23:43 ||| josieposie (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: my old refrigerator
MESSAGE: Hi everyone! I don't have much experioence with old appliances so I'm looking for your advice. I've finally decided to get a modern refigerator and I'm trying to figure out if my old one is worth anything, before I ask someone to appraise it (like Antique Appliances). Any thoughts would be appreciated...
When I moved into my 20's apartment 8 years ago it was already here. Don't know how old it is, (50's?) but here are the specs: Hotpoint brand, rounded edges, pull handles on top freezer (with 'freezer' written on handle) and bottom refrigerator (with 'super-stor' written on handle). 61" h, 29" w, 23.5" d. 'Deluxe' written across bottom. Aluminum interior in freezer. White interior in fridge. Freezer door painted matte light grey, fridge painted matte white. May not be original paint. Clean interior includes 1 aluminum (?) wire shelf and one glass shelf, no drawers. The unit works fine but collects water in bottom over weeks. Exterior rusty on body. Exterior clean on doors. Can't budge it to see if there are any numbers on back.
PHEW! Is it worth selling/restoring or do i kiss it goodbye?
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Post# 19442-7/2/2002-00:12 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: What on earth was this doing on Ebay?
MESSAGE: I was surfing ebay and found a Malleys washing machine!
As I think we might of stated before, Malleys was the company than manufactured Whirlpool products in Australia, but was taken over by Simpson. This is a late 80's model so it is a direct copy of the Simpson, only the control panel is a different colour, on the Simpson model it would of been a dark brown, almost black control panel and on later models a lighter buiscuit coulour. The lid and top panel was a biscuit colour too while on the malleys it was all white.
The agitator is very like a Maytag with perforations in the sharft housing a lint filter and the vanes are s shaped like the norge. it sits very low in the bowl and on the hightes water level was almost completely submerged, only the softer dispensing cap wasnt covered! If only they provided an inside shot too!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2036420690
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Post# 19443-7/2/2002-00:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Bendix
MESSAGE: Glad you finally have your answer to the "which Bendix" question. Interesting they didn't fix or replace the washer when the motor went out, but it was probably faster to get all the washing done at the laundromat.
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Post# 19444-7/2/2002-00:14 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: my old refrigerator (My mother's nightmare washing machine, and old refrigerators)
MESSAGE: Well, Josie, refrigerators seem to last for ever, and there are a lot of old ones around, just like there are a lot of old cloths dryers.
There are a couple options you could try. For one, you could choose a "traditional arrangement" where the recycle guys pick it up some time in the Spring and haul it off to then give it a decent burial in the local appliance graveyard. This gives the grieving family a whole winter to morn the loss of their old, beloved refrigerator. A head stone might cost extra though.
Many people, however, are opting for a more "modern" arrangement which includes the appliance equivilant of "cremation": The shredder, or better known as "the crusher", and is the de-facto choice of landlords who rent older apartments. You have them come and pick up your old refrigerator when you buy a new one, or just call the city and pay them to haul it off. This is what I opted for with my last old refrigerator that just would not keep meat adequately frozen.
Lastly, there is "mumification", where a complete, total preservation and restoration is involved. This is usually only reserved for vintage James dish washers and General Motors Frigidaire washing machines. You spend more money than the refrigerator's actually worth for a new compressor, interior shelves, new paint, maybe even a trip to the local auto-body shop so it will last at least another 40+ years. After you've spent enough to probably buy three brand new refrigerators that save a bundle on electricity and can keep veggies fresher longer, you probably might have wished you had kept the first two options.
I really do wish you the best of luck on this one.
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Post# 19445-7/2/2002-00:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: My grandmother used to do that with her 57 Maytag - always. She insisted that it needed to be done this way to dissolve the soap. When she would add the clothes, the water level would rise right to the top of, or above the agitator. I still remember loving to watch the water slosh over the top of the chrome filter cap. She used to regulate her own water temp by filling to LOW level with hot water, MED level with warm and then to FULL with hot again. This was her optimum temperature for everything but whites.
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Post# 19446-7/2/2002-00:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Bendix
MESSAGE: Well, thanks. I do recall the washer being repaired once, and when it came back it was *perhaps* a differnt model, more modern, but Mom doesn't remember this. Then again, she doesn't remember that it was a Bendix, but I do.
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Post# 19447-7/2/2002-00:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Mom's washer)
MESSAGE: We had a 1972 GE washer, BOL, no mini-basket, but it provided me with hours of entertainment. In 1981, we replaced the GE -which dribbled water on the floor one time and was quickly doomed to the krusher, with a very bottom of the line Maytag with two water levels and one speed. The GE dryer lasted another year or so and then was replaced with a nearly identical Hotpoint BOL dryer. When I was 16 or 17, I dragged home my very first washer - a Hoover spinner that I meticulously cleaned, replaced the pump and belts and played with for several years until we moved in 1986.
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Post# 19448-7/2/2002-00:46 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: My mums Simpson Delta 10 would stop when the lid was opened any part of the cycle. Previously been allowed to watch my Nans Wilkins Servis twin tub ( see chetermikes albums to see a very similar model ) this was a big disappointment to me. I really wanted Mum to buy a Whirlpool but she didnt.
One Aunty had a Westinghouse top loader that you all love to hate but I loved it! She would turn it on and let it fill. Then she would disolve the detergent is a jug of hot water and add it too the machine. Then the clothes which was always a full load. By this time there was only a little way to fill and then the blue spiral agitator would do its thing and the tub would index and the filter recirculate! there was so much going on inside this machine! Then it would nuetral drain and I would count the rows of holes as it would appear.
We got another simpson (delta 422) and this one did worlk with the lid up YAY! My mum changed her washing style to start the machine first then the detergent and then the clothes and then me watching the wash cycle till it stoped for spin. At this point I would close the lid and do something else.
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Post# 19449-7/2/2002-01:08 ||| josieposie (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: my old refrigerator (putting it to sleep)
MESSAGE: Well then, it seems like putting the hotpoint to sleep is the only solution... I like the idea of the landlords hauling it away though. Its a great visual, the fridge being crushed in some crazy contraption.
Thanks!
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Post# 19450-7/3/2002-03:31 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: My, my, my, I needed a good laugh this morning!
Thanks.
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Post# 19451-7/3/2002-05:12 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: Help yahoo
MESSAGE: I cant post in the sandbox.
All my settings are normal as compared to other groups which I can post.
Can anyone please help?
Thanx
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Post# 19452-7/3/2002-06:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Mom's washer history
MESSAGE: OK - here goes. Upon her marriage in 1951 - my mother had a Thor which she loved for its washing ability. This machine which I do not remember at all lasted about 8 years - through uncountable sets of my fathers work clothes (he was a welder and needed clean shirts and pants each day), as well as the requisite diapers for two very close in age kids. The first washer I remember was the 59 Lady Kenmore in candy pink. It had the rotoswirl agitator, waterfall filter and the little fabric softener dispenser at the side left of the tub which would tip over into the rinse water as it entered the tub. While that machine had all the cycles (letter coded of course, she usually used either only regular or delicate. Very weird controls though. The control knob was on the right, but as you turned the knob there was a horizontal multicolored "newszipper" looking thing in the middle that advanced to hit your selected cycle.
And she did laundry the way many of you have already described. Fill, add detergent, agitate and then add clothes. Of course on the Kenmore, the machine was washing while she was adding clothes, so the load was never really evenly distributed. This always led to that dreaded out of balance buzzer going off constantly. I hated that thing and quite frankly, never really liked the Kenmore. I hated that whine, all the fun stuff ceased working within the first few years (waterfall filter and fabric softener cup) and besides, Aunt Jennie's Norge was much more fun. The only really dumb thing I ever did to create some laundry drama with that machine was to dump an almost full giant size box of Rinso Blue in the machine and add some of my little plastic dishes and cups... making my own dishwasher.. Nearly got killed over that one. Of course my parents were not at all understanding about my fascination with laundry - they tried everything to stop it from insults to bribery. Nice try!!
The "pink lady" whined her last in 1970, when she was replaced at the Sears "scratch & dent" outlet by a very non descript Kenmore 600 (?) and our first dryer - the Lady Kenmore (like the one shown in Family Ties. I lobbied for Frigidaire or GE but was told that "regular boys " do not get involved in those things. Laundry got very dull afer that for a while. In fairness that Plain Jane Kenmore (three cycles, five water temp combos and infinite water level) whined without a repair until 1980 when the transmission went. By that time, I was working and Dad had already died, so I had taken over the purchasing . For years I plotted how to get a Frigidaire pair - now the moment had arrived. Fate, however had other plans. GM Frigidaire had already been replaced by the dreaded WCI Frigidaire, so the next logical choice was GE. That was lots of fun even if I did have to jam the screwdriver into the lid switch to watch the action. Our little filter flo machine chugged along for 16 years - again with no incident (other than the usual "sister constantly changing the speed setting wile the machine was running" problem) until it began leaking transmission oil. Sad, even Mom liked that machine - said it sounded more powerful than any of the Kenmores and "almost as powerful" as her sister's Norge....
It's replacement sadly, was the beginning of the end for GE. It was the last model of the old style GE and the only remaining one with the filter flo. And it had a minibasket. What fun that was!!! Perhaps not as energy efficient as GE made it out to be, but certainly better than even the lowest fill. It was their TOL Profile, with way too many options. Though it looked like all the older GE's, construction had already been cheapened. Two years, two transmissions and lots of rust later - GE replaced it free with their NEW AND IMPROVED plastic washer - the equivalent TOL Profile. I won't catalog that nightmare, but 18 months later GE finally gave me my money back. Now we have the Amana set........
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Post# 19453-7/3/2002-07:08 ||| Sunshine (N.J. USA)
SUBJECT: G.E. electric sink (dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hi All,
I'm new here (this is my 1st post). I'm hoping to find information on the G.E. "electric sink". G.E. did not have any information on it, expect that it was made around the late 40's or 50's. However I found a advertisment dated 1937, showing the item. I know Kohler made a electric sink in 1926, but I cannot find information on G.E. electric sink. Does anyone know anything about this item. I looking for general information and also a $ value. Please help if you can.
Thank You
Sunshine
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Post# 19454-7/3/2002-08:08 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent.
That probably dates back to soap days (not detergent). Soap can clump and stick to the clothes if not pre-dissolved.
Preservene and Lectric soap powders are still available here in Aus and they still advise that method on their packages. They also advise for cold water wash to pre-dissolve the soap powder in hot water before placing in the machine.
Little wonder they are not big sellers.
Chris.
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Post# 19455-7/3/2002-08:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: What on earth was this doing on Ebay?
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
That Malleys appears exactly the same as a Simpson, just different colours on hte control panel. You mention the agitator vanes "s-shaped like a Norge". All the Simpson ones I have seen are very plain, like a Maytag. Each vane would be L-shaped.(?) Did the Malleys have a different agitator? I don't think I've ever looked inside a Malleys one. My sister had a Kelvinator version of a Simpson Minimatic, it was basic just like the Simpson - no variable level or options, temp selected by a different position on the timer (the only control). The Kelvinator version got chrome and fake woodgrain controls instead of blue and white plastic on the Simpson.
Chris.
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Post# 19456-7/3/2002-08:54 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Mum's washing machines
MESSAGE: Being from Aus I have a Mum not a Mom.
The first washer at our place was a Hoover twin tub. At first the family had no washer at all, Mum washed in the laundry trough. This would be early sixties. Mum had to go to hospital, possibly to give birth or illness I'm not sure, when she returned there was a new Hoover TT. Being my mother she took this poorly, she considered that Dad only bought it to make it easier for him, he should have bought it earlier when She had to do the washing!
It lasted for maybe eight or nine years, though the spin lid broke off and so you worked the spinner by raising or lowering the lid hinge. By the late sixties Mum had a job too and she used the extra income to buy extras for the home - a Frigidaire washer was the first. A Deluxe model- one speed, only option was wash temp. A WDRP model if I remember right.
It gave lots of trouble as I have gone on at length about before, but it did last till the late seventies (?) by which time I had a part time job. I bought my mother a second-hand GE with a gold control panel. It lasted about ten more years. By this time I had moved away and dabbled in fixing washers. When the GE started leaking oil, I fixed up a Simpson Delta 10, a medium sized washer (5kg) and gave it to her. The bearings soon became noisy as they tend to do, so it got replaced with a Bendix front loader which I found on a roadside junk collection. It had no fault, just ugly stained paintwork - discoloured to yellowish. This lasted several more years. I had a Fisher and Paykel Gentle Annie washer and found a F&P Smart Drive for me about the same time as Mum's Bendix went Bang. (just a switch fault, but it scared her and she lost confidence in it) so I gave Mum the Gentle Annie and I fixed and kept the Smart Drive.
Mum still has "Annie" as she calls it, and never fails to tell me how much she likes it when I visit. It has never missed a beat. Mum still washes in cold water with generic detergent but Annie gets everything clean.
Now my grandmother's washer...
But that's another story.
Chris.
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Post# 19457-7/3/2002-09:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washer history
MESSAGE: I don't remember what we might have had before 1968 when we moved to Ft. Worth, TX, but there we bought a Kenmore Model 70 set. That set lasted until 1997. The death of it was the timer. It would just stop incrementing. Since that was shortly before I joined the club, I didn't have the clout to advise Dad to move the set into a corner of the basement to hold for me. It was in mint condition. I don't remember any service calls on it at all, and I was the washmaster of the family from about 1972 until I moved out in 1981.
I know there is a pic of me somewhere as an infant on top of a Norge that was in an apartment we lived in at one time.
I remember another apartment that had 2 Westy commercial bolt downs in the basement, along with a 50# Huebsch dryer. We used to wait in line for the little machines, and the dryer used to scorch clothes. One tenant had her own Kenmore in a lock storage pen.
Grandma had a Bendix Deluxe up until about 1970 when she replaced it with a Kenmore Model 70. She was a hairdresser -- her shop was on the 2nd floor of the house -- and used to complain that the KM did not remove hair from her shop towels like the Bendix. I used to love looking thru the soap chute on the top and watch the tub roll by.
Aunt Nora had an 18# Norge beast. I remember how HUGE it was, with the high vane agitator and waterfall lint filter. That machine had an 18 minute wash period and Aunt Nora used every minute of it.
Aunt Rae had Westy Spacemates. Both Aunt Olga and Aunt Emily had early 60's GE's which I never saw running. Aunt Catherine had an early 60's WP, right in the middle of the kitchen. You couldn't escape it, and you couldn't sneak a peak without getting yelled at! One of her son's had an RCA TV store which he expanded to sell WP appliances. A group of mafia characters (including my father) would gather there every Saturday to watch football. What football? I was head down in every WP machine in the showroom!
-ph
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Post# 19458-7/3/2002-10:01 ||| filterflo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, Been away from the discussion group for a while, getting things done around my new house. Congrats on your new James dishwasher. I have one just like it! Its an amazing contraption, espcially the timer and pump set up. I have a few extra pump and timer parts, in case you are in need of any. Jimmy (FILTERFLO)
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Post# 19459-7/3/2002-10:16 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Mom's Washing Machine History
MESSAGE: Well the washing machines I remember growing up when the washing machine bug hit me was the Maytag AMP washer we had. I remember mom loading it while it would fill with water, but remember you couldn't watch it in action as it would shut off the minute you open the lid. But the Maytag sign on the front of the machine would light up when the machine was running. We moved to a new home and that machine went along with us. At that time we also had a Kenmore dryer too, with 3 cycles normal (yellow line on the dial), wash n wear (coral line), and delicate (blue line), with 5 temperature settings, lighted dial, ozone lamp, and lighted interior to boot! That was a great dryer too, but let me get back to the washers.
In the new home the Maytag and Kenmore sat side by side doing their thing, when the Maytag decided to stop filling when you started it. It had to be filled only during the start of the wash cycle, for some strange reason, as it would fill for rinse portion fine, but I don't know if that was the reason for getting rid of it or not, but we did.
And I guess it happened at a good time, I think that happened around 1966 or '67. As some very good neighbors that we knew from the old neighborhood were moving and selling everything, so my mom bought their Westinghouse front loader they had(which I still have the operating instructions to). What a machine that was, It was a fancy model too with the 8 programs built into the cycle selection, fabric softener container, and lighted interior which I didn't know, I used a flashlight. But I soon realized I was in heaven, a washer I could watch with a window, how great!! I remember my dad hooked it up and the first load went in. It was awesome, watching it fill up and washing a way, I remember getting a flashlight so I could see it better. My mom remembers me watching the clothes being washed in that machine to this very day!! Well that machine worked pretty well, but did have its moments%
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Post# 19460-7/3/2002-10:19 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
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Post# 19461-7/3/2002-11:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: My mother's washing machines
MESSAGE: My mother's first washing machine was a Candy (frontloader ofcourse) but it lasted only one year and was replaced in 1966 with my real childhood washer. It was a Bosch frontloader that was bigger than the everage European washer. It was sparkling white with a blue control panel on top with three controls. I had four cycles, Heavy duty, Regular, Permanent Press and Delicate. My mother washed almost everything on the regular cycle and too often she switched it to the delicate cycle to save on the rinse water. No need to tell that I hated that and I sometimes moved it back to the regular cycle. The link is to a few pictures of an almost similar model that is a washer/dryer combo.
After ten years it refused to spin and I talked her into buying a Miele although she was leaning towards a Zanker that was cheaper. The Miele from 1976 also had three controls, but with the Miele they were on the front. They worked almost the same as the Bosch controls which was a big plus for buying it. It did it's job without a problem until 1997 when the thermostat or the heating died. I bet it could have been repaired but my mother wanted a new washing machine and this time she only looked at Miele's. She had to get used to the one control system Miele has now, but I never heard a complaint after she got used to it.
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst?.dir=/Bosch+1960s+washer+dryer+combo&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 19462-7/3/2002-12:01 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: Mom's First Washing Machine
MESSAGE: When I was 4 years old, we moved out of my grandfather's house, and for a year after that, we did our laundry at several neighborhood coin-ops. One had spanish avocado Maytags, and the other had Bennett-Westinghouse front loaders, and a dry cleaning front loader, which I thought was amazing being able to dry clean our winter coats in a machine that looked like a washer. We had one break when my uncle got shipped off to Vietnam, and my aunt came to stay with that magical '63 Kenmore programmed washer and dryer everyone has heard me rave about. For almost a year, they were ours, along with the GE top loading dishwasher. When my uncle returned from his tour of duty and collected my aunt and cousins and all of the furniture, we were back to the laundromats and my grandfather's stacked Westinghouse FL washer and dryer. And Mother's best friend around the corner would occasionally lend us her '62 Whirlpool with the bass-pitched hum we talked about in a previous post here - that was one fun machine! Doris didnt have a dryer, though.
One afternoon in September 1969, while my sister was at piano practice, Mother took me next door to a furniture store and was quickly seen by a salesman. I was going nuts myself, acting like quite a little "Wal*Mart kid" trying at the top of my lungs to get her to buy a coppertone matching Maytag pair, but she settled on the 2 Speed Queens which were to be ours for the next 12 years. A week later, they were delivered. I loved the gleaming new paint and the smell of new rubber and metal. I couldnt stop fingering the classic Speed Queen "royal crest": the black plastic badge with the chrome "Q" in cursive on it screwed or glued onto the front of the cabinet. I had been of mixed love/hate feelings during the trip to the store and the delivery because, you see, the dryer did not match the washer. The washer was mid-grade, and had a separate speed control and an agitator-mounted fabric softener dispenser. But the dryer was TOL, with a lighted console and separate temperature control - but no end of cycle buzzer - strange. Mother and I both had wanted the matching washer with lighted console, a separate soak cycle, and an additional bleach dispenser built into the cabinet, but it was avocado with only the white dryer we bought available. There was no matching dryer for the washer we got either, so, to get both in white, she had no choice (shoulda just got the Maytags! *hehehe*) but to mix things up.
We all were so excited about having our own laundry equipment in house again, that we made it a game that previous week to see how many clothes we could accumulate and so on delivery day, Mother washed from mid morning until well into the night. Didnt even have time to get suppper - that was a bucket of chicken from KFC, a treat in itself (o:`,. As soon as the delivery dudes had left, she opened the lid, took out the complimentary box of Tide that came with it, and cranked it up. The overflow rinse after the first wash confused me, I thought that was strange to hear the washer start filling again, and I opened up the lid to watch while I waited for the water to come out over the tub opening and spill on the floor. Of course, it didnt. Then, the gears locked into spin with a loud bang...and water poured all over the garage floor. The delivery dudes had forgotten to put the drain hose into the standpipe. My guyfriends and I were playing nearby, and 6 loud boisterous boys fell all over each other up the basement stairs yelling, "Miz Weeums!"
"Momma, Momma!"
"Miz Weeums!"
"YOUR NEW WASHER'S BROKE!!"
Mother, who has never been all that mechanically minded, knew just what to do and didnt even have to call the furniture store for help.
She divorced my stepfather 12 years later, and we had to move the SQs into storage because we vacated the house in a hurry and could only find apartment with no W/D connections (newly constructed with a new Whirlpool dishwasher, but that's another story). They were sold from the storage building. That entire 12 years, Mother had to have service done on the washer only twice. The dryer? Never. The two never groaned or complained the whole time. Never needed replacement parts, just an adjustment.
Since we were a single parent household for 3 years until the stepfather came along, we kids had to help with chores from an early age and so it was the SQs that my sister and I learned to do laundry in when I was 7 years old and she was 9. That whole 12 years I never got tired of the novelty of the motor continuously running from start to finish; no pause between agitate and spin. I loved that loud bang as the tranny went into spin mode. Hated the lame Perm Press cycle. While all our friends' Kenmores and Maytags were draining and filling, the SQ just kept the water running after spin began and all the way through it. Plus, if you wanted a slow speed, you had to be there to manually select it.
My grandmother's cleaning lady, and the woman who babysat me at her house sometime had a 1961 Sears Kenmore. I loved it; would beg her to gather up some clothes to do so I could watch it - not hard when you have 6 young children. Had a black, straight vane agitator, the salt-and-pepper painted tub that marks a bottom-line Kenmore from the rest. It had a waterfall lint filter, and the timer dial detentes were marked with yellow for the regular cycles, and green for the special cycle. She used Tide, and the plumbing was on well water, so the smell of washing clothes was distinct. I learned later as an adult looking back that Kenmore made the washer attractive to buyers by including a permanent press cycle in it, something mostly expensive washers had in that day. No dryer. The Ardis family was too poor to afford one.
So, am I making a booboo mentioning this washer in this thread? Maybe not. You see, when my Dad started his surgical residency and a few more pennies were coming in to the meager household budget, he went to Sears and used a Sears card borrowed from my grandad to bring a spanking new 1961 Kenmore home to their graduate-school apartment. Mrs. Ardis' washer was that same machine - my Mother's first washer. The folks separated and Mother moved in with my grandparents. My Dad couldnt take the washer with him because he was constantly moving from hospital to hospital all over the US and Canada and so had to stay in very tiny places where he couldnt fit a washing machine, so the KM sat out in the carport for almost 3 years. After the divorce, Mother gave it to the Ardis'.
I didnt find out any of this until I was 22 years old and over to the Ardis' for a visit. I almost didnt believe it until Mother confirmed it and showed me a picture of my sister in a wading pool on the driveway with the KM sitting in the carport in the background.
That Kenmore ran until 1976, and the Ardis family replaced it with a new gold Maytag. They have had Maytags ever since, and finally got their dryer 20 years after the Kenmore showed up in their lives.
Now, when I smell autumn leaves and wood smoke, I am taken back to the fall of '69, and the smell of new paint, steel, and rubber gaskets. May explain why Ive bought all my new washers in the fall.
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Post# 19463-7/3/2002-12:17 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (reply to jasonL)
MESSAGE: was the KM white or colored? what color?
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Post# 19464-7/3/2002-16:00 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: Working on the 51 GE
MESSAGE: Hi everyone, just an update on what's happening with the 51 GE. Mine is not anywhere near the shape that Uni's is in but... I'm working on it. The first thing to tackle was taking out the tranny which had a "frozen" agitator shaft. Thanks to some advice from Robert, I managed to unfreeze it without a complete teardown! That alone deserves a glass of champagne. Much work needs to be done and I'll post some pictures on my yahoo acct. The pics are small, sorry for that, I need a new digital camera. Note the familiar look of the tranny but it's unique 2 pulley system. Hope the URL works
Eddy
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/eddy1210/lst?.dir=/GE+1951+restoration&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 19465-7/3/2002-16:57 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: What is that Scott55405?
MESSAGE: The little washer/dryer thing that you have that you call STRUCT1 what is it. Is it a real washing machine or a toy. What is its full name I want to ask GE to make one for me.
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Post# 19466-7/3/2002-17:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What is that Scott55405? (can you send me a link....I'm )
MESSAGE:
not sure I know what you're talking about. Thanks!
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Post# 19467-7/3/2002-18:16 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: What is that Scott55405?
MESSAGE: Sorry about that. Here is the link.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/brooklynrobert/vwp?.dir=/My+Collection!&.src=ph&.dnm=STRUCT~1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/brooklynrobert/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bCollection!%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19468-7/3/2002-18:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What is that Scott55405?
MESSAGE: Oh yes, that belongs to a member we have not seen in a little while. He has quite a collection of washer type toys. I have seen only the pictures. My guess is this must have been something put out by GE, as I can see the logo on the box.
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Post# 19469-7/3/2002-19:02 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Working on the 51 GE
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics eddy - glad to hear Robert was able to get your tranny un-frozen, just like his! Keep us posted on the progress and of course, the first washload!!
LINK: http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=3181800&domain_id=1856&meta_id=1
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Post# 19470-7/3/2002-19:03 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Working on the 51 GE (the link info)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah, the link is to a Repair Master I found at Half.com for the GE washers. I checked on my copy, but I don't see "Vol. 27" anywhere, but it might be the same...
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Post# 19471-7/3/2002-19:04 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: My mother's washing machines (Nice.)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the photo's Louis.
Very nice machine.
Do you bolt it down?
Brent
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Post# 19472-7/3/2002-19:46 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: Happy Fourth of July Everyone....
MESSAGE: America Rocks !!! Have a Safe and Happy Holiday Everyone..!!
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Post# 19473-7/3/2002-20:21 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Where is one?
MESSAGE: Hi. I am trying to find a Frigidaire 1-18. If you click on the link you will see what it looks like on the inside and that is what is important to me. Does anyone one know of a junkyard around the area of Ann Arbor, Michigan. Well if you do, I would extremely appreciate to know where one is.
P.S. It is a Pulsator Washing Machine, of course.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+1-18&.src=ph&.dnm=Long+Spray+Rinse.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/surgilator/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%2b1-18%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19474-7/3/2002-00:22 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (My washing machine horror story...)
MESSAGE: You are more than welcome, Cleanteam. For anyone else who hasn't read it, it's message #19440...
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Post# 19475-7/4/2002-02:03 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: What on earth was this doing on Ebay?
MESSAGE: The malleys version of the minimatic was very fully featured I saw one awhile ago in a second hand shop after many years ago looking at them new. The Malleys version featured 4/5 water temps and a waterlevel selector. Same agitator and bowl only dark green in colour.
You know the large simpson agitators, like the maytag ones but with the little "ears" at the top of the agitator shaft.
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Post# 19476-7/4/2002-02:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Filtrator Wiring Help.....please!
MESSAGE: I've been working on the DCI-59 Filtrator all this week, trying to get power to the heaters. I had it working last night and can't get it to work again. I've checked continuity through all the circuits and all seem fine. I have two timers (one new from a DCI-60 which is identical except for dial-shaft.) I've checked the heating elements and they both work, the thermostat relay shows continuity, but still no heat. The high limit thermostat is fine, the motor speed switch is fine, power is getting to the heaters but something isn't letting the circuit complete and the heaters energize.
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Post# 19477-7/4/2002-02:40 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Fourth of July Everyone....
MESSAGE: Three cheers for the red, white, and blue! Forever may She fly over a free and prosperous nation. United we stand! Everyone have a safe and relaxing 4th filled with friends, family, and fun. And, give your appliances the day off, too. (o:`,
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Post# 19478-7/4/2002-02:43 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone
Wishing you a happy 4th July Holiday...enjoy your celebrations whatever you are doing!!!!!
Its a miserly 19d and cloudy here.....
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 19479-7/4/2002-02:46 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (reply to jetaction)
MESSAGE: Our next door neighbors in our first house had a '65-'66 LK pair just like the washer you mentioned. Coppertone. The washer had an interesting method to the permanent press cool down: it would switch to slow agitation like a Whirlpool. But, then I could hear the ol' wigwag kick in *as if the agitator was starting*, but the thing would be draining. Then it would fill up with cold water and start the procedure again. Did you ever notice that? Do you or anybody else have any clue as to what was going on under the lid?
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Post# 19480-7/4/2002-02:49 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Norge `n` James....Yay!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Just catching up on the mountain of posts.....thanks for the hard work on the Norge wing, the video`s sure do download a lot quicker now BroadBand is here in UK....still hoping to find the first Hotpoint TL with timeline controls!!!!
What a great find that dishwasher is, looking forward to seeing the vid....automation was soooooooo late this side of the water!!!!!
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 19481-7/4/2002-02:54 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Something my Mom did that drove me nuts!)
MESSAGE: My stepmother used to do exactly that with my Dad's Whirlpool, I thought it was so cool, that I used to do it myself for awhile. Now, my own Mother was a different ball of frustration. She decided to try liquid detergents. She'd throw the clothes in as usual, but she would pour a capful of Era on top of the dry clothes, THEN close the lid and start the machine. The result? We would have big blue stains from undissolved Era on our clothes. She would have done better to pour the stuff into an empty tub with the water running, then add the clothes on top of that. *grrrrrrr* Soured me on liquid detergents for most of my natural life until I was well into adulthood.
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Post# 19482-7/4/2002-03:15 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: cycla-fabric: dyou know what year the KM dryer was? Sounds like a '63 or '64 model. Did the air freshener on that one last awhile? Loved that smell, like Valentine candy hearts.
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Post# 19483-7/4/2002-03:15 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: Mums First Washer...Our First Toy!!!
MESSAGE: We really were late with automation this side of the water, as most of UK revelled in using twinny`s up to the 70`s here...
Mums first machine in 1960 was a Servis Compact Wringer Washer, 6lb load with power wringer, this soon was changed when my sister was born in `63 and the first Servis Supertwin MK11 was bought, (same as my twinny used with Scott, but white with different controls)the spinner at 2`800rpm was perfect for all those terry nappies etc...
This served us all well for 20+years (Parents +4 kids used three times a week, Mon, Wed Frid.. + Sat if needed) until the first Auto made its apperance in 1980, a Servis 308 slimline frontloader, 9lb load, single timer, 850rpm spin, I`d just started work and bought the matching dryer for mum, (or me)...we had these until 1990 whenI was still working in electrical sales and managed to get here a new Servis Quartz computer controlled washer and matching dryer, which are still in use today.
This machine has what was is known as a "Spin Care" drum, no holes just three water vanes at the front back and middle to spin the water out, used less water than past autos cos a lot of the water stayed in the drum rather than draining to the outer drum.
Mum hated the automatic at first because with a twinny you could complete all the wash at once and feel rewarded that all the dirty clothes where washed...with the auto she felt the laundry basket was "Never Empty" as there where always a few item in it awaiting a full load...LOL
I think its also true that our mums first "Labour Saving" devices just happen to be "Our first Toys"....enjoy!!!!
Mike
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Post# 19484-7/4/2002-04:14 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (reply to jetaction)
MESSAGE: On the permanent press cycle on those machines, the machine would do a partial drain (close to half a tub of water), then it will shift into slow agitation and start filling with cold water at the same time for a brief minuet, then the agitation would stop as the machine completely fill and then begin slow agitation for a duration of one minuet, then do the process all over again for a second time before going into the final rinse and spin!
Now that what I call a true cool down cycle compare to the machines of today: Partial drain, fill completely, agitate then drain, etc.....
Boring!
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Post# 19485-7/4/2002-05:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Happy Fourth
MESSAGE: Wishing all a safe and happy 4th of July. A particularly important day this year.........
For those of us here in the Northeast - it's once again going to be in the high 90's with lots of humidity. Be careful outdoors..........
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Post# 19486-7/4/2002-06:00 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine
MESSAGE: I do remember the first 6 years of my life, my mother had a wringer washer which she brought up from Florida, I don't remember the MFG, but it had a big tub with a three vane black agitator that the blades extend about a 1 1/2 inches on the side and slope down to the basic curve at the bottom which the blades continues and were 3 inches high. On the side of the tub, there was an aqua color lint filter which had a bed of nails, but the water was not pumped through it. The wave of the water caused the water to circulate through the lint filter which caught the lint.
My parents then moved up the block and she gave that machine to a good friend that lived 2 blocks down from our new apartment and she abused that machine! Within one year of use, she thrown it out into the garbage. ``I saw that with my own eyes going to school one morning!" I was so mad, I could of hit that lady with that agitator!
Oh well...,
It's ok, we had our first automatic washer that was posted a few days ago and it was my new toy to play with! It didn't take me long to figure out the lid switch and I would jimmy it to see the whole complete cycle take place while mom and dad went to the grocery store! WOW...., I was amazed by the waterfall lint filter which worked full time, from the start of the wash, right into the drain cycle before the water was completely pumped out! It had one water level, a three vane golden agitator with a three cycle timer.
After 15 years of use, the motor burnt out and the repairman said it is best to replace it! WHAT A BUNCH OF CROCK! They just wanted us to buy a new machine....
So dad replaced that one with a Sears Kenmore Extra Capacity bare bone washer. White cabinet, beige plastic control panel, Three cycle, three water levels, three temp. all cold rinses with a Pentavane agitator. Nice powerful washing action on low and medium, but very good when used on high!
That was good for a few years (I've kept that agitator), then I've replaced that one with one of the last few 1984 belt drive dual action agitator before they completely done us in with the Direct Drive!
I had a very good childhood being around mom doing laundry!
Mom, I miss you much and I thank you for teaching me how to keep my whites white!
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Post# 19487-7/4/2002-07:28 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Happy 4th Everyone!
MESSAGE: I know you all are out B.B.Q'ing and all dolled up to get that fireworks a popping tonight!
But the 5th of July is better!
Food stained table cloths and napkins. Muster stained t-shirts, grass stains on the knees from play ball in the field, B.B.Q sauce just ran down the pants leg for a new look that put a childs dirty clothes to shame!
Oh how I love to do a load of laundry!
The fifth of July is always Tide country day for me!
Have fun on this great day of ours!
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Post# 19488-7/4/2002-08:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Guess what I found...
MESSAGE: Here is an ad from this weeks Melbourne Trading Post:
Washing Machine - Frigidaire Pulsamatic Mod. WM-11. Early round type electric, never used, mint condition. $150.
It is about four or five hours drive from here, so I'm not sure if I can buy it or not. Also the hubby needs to be consulted - I think he will divorce or murder me if I turn up with this. I haven't phoned about it yet. I am quite excited about finding the ad but I need to think through whether I really want it or not at this stage, and whether I want to spend $150.
Does anyone have some info on what it is, what is a Pulsamatic for a start, how fast would it spin, is it automatic, anything else you could suggest?
Thanks all.
Chris.
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Post# 19489-7/4/2002-08:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: What on earth was this doing on Ebay?
MESSAGE:
hi Arrrooohhh,
I had forgotten about the little ears on top of the agitator.
In my foggy mind's eye they were just four vanes on the bottom.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 19490-7/4/2002-08:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy 4th Everyone!
MESSAGE: Woohoo, time to get on my motorcycle and ride. Ummm, one problem. I don't have a MC. Oh well, the Little Lady K will do.
Happy 4th!
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Post# 19491-7/4/2002-08:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Hey Arrrooohhh...
MESSAGE: Do you know what a Celestial washer is?
I know Celestial was the store brand name for Waltons stores who went broke in the early eighties (81? 82?). I suspect it is a Simpson, but quite an early one. Between the Fluid Drive and the 144 series. (but I could be quite wrong, too) I house-sat for someone with one in 1984, it was getting old then so would be early to mid seventies.
Anyway, there is one in the Melbourne Trading Post this week for $51.
There is also a Whirlpool 1490N which is an Aussie-assembled belt-drive Whirlpool, late seventies or early eighties. $225!! Must be dreaming. They are still quite common here.
Chris.
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Post# 19492-7/4/2002-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Working on the 51 GE (YAY)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, very cool! I'm glad you were able to loosen up the transmission. What did you do to unfreeze it?
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Post# 19493-7/4/2002-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator Wiring Help.....please! (Fun With 220 Volts)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, are you just testing for continuity or are you testing for power? What you are probably going to have to do is connected the black wire, neutral side of your meter to a good ground (such as the post to an electrical outlet box). Then you study the wiring-diagram circuit, with the hot test lead (red wire) on your meter you start and the junction box of the dryer and test each point for live power all the way to the neutral side. 220 VOLTS AC is dangerous. Do this with extreme caution, were rubber soled shoes and rubber kitchen dishwashing gloves, only use one hand and always keep the other hand in your pocket or away from the dryer.
You want to use a separate neutral point incase one of the neutral lines in the dryer is intermittent.
Are you really sure power is getting to the heaters? Once you figure out if power is truly getting to the heaters, then unplug the dryer and start on the other side of the heater, going back to continuity testing and make sure there is a complete circuit to neutral of the plug.
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Post# 19494-7/4/2002-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge `n` James....Yay!!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, thanks, enjoy the Norge Videos, broadband is wonderful!
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Post# 19495-7/4/2002-09:05 ||| imperialbob (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: AUGUST CONVENTION NUMBERS
MESSAGE: I'll be opening my collection as the third leg of the appliance convention this August. Of those of you planning to attend the festivities, I'd like to know how many folks think they'll be swinging by here that Sunday? Please start thinking about it now, so I'll have an idea how many weenies to put on the rotisserie. Hope to see many of you at that time. Here's a link to my ebay about me Page, which does feature some vintage appliances.
Your Pal in laundry,
BOB WIRTH in Arlington,Virginia(VERY near D.C.)
LINK: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/imperialbob/
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Post# 19496-7/4/2002-09:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator Wiring Help.....please! (Fun With 220 Volts)
MESSAGE: Are "safety switches" available in the US?
Here in Aus you can buy a gadget that plugs into the power point, and you plug the appliance into it. the gadget monitors for earth (ground) leakage. If it detects any current going to earth (ground) it immediately cuts the power in a tiny fraction of a second. I always use one when working on any appliance, or trying any suspect appliance.
If they are available in USA I would certainly invest in one before playing with any suspect appliance.
We don't want to fry any Applianceville members.
Chris.
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Post# 19497-7/4/2002-09:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found...
MESSAGE: Chris, if it was in the US I would be wondering where they got the name Pulsamatic. Obviously some of the club members here know what a pulsamatic is and old repairmen and a few retired GM designers might now what a pulsamatic is, but in the US Frigidaire never printed "Unimatic, Pulsamatic, Mutlimatic, Rollermatic" on the actual machines. They only used those terms to describe the tranmission in the repair books.
As for the model # its not a number that was ever used in the US. I think you should call the person and see if you can get some more information. It could be a early round version of an Australian Unimatic or something?? The "Early Round Type" description is very odd, could the Australian Frigidaire Div have made a wringer washer?? This could be a very important find for you. And Never Used???
As for the hubby, just tell him your getting this washer because it makes you happy and let him know that he will be the one who is divorced or murdered if he says anything but "oh what a beautiful machine that is, dear, I'm happy for you".
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Post# 19498-7/4/2002-09:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator Wiring Help.....please! (Fun With 220 Volts)
MESSAGE: Yes, here they are called GFI outlets (Ground Fault Interrupters). I believe they are sold in the US only for 110volt outlets, but for 220 volts you need to buy the GFI as a curcuit breaker for your electrical box.
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Post# 19499-7/4/2002-10:15 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Sounds like wonderful weather Mikey! I'll be right over! ;-) Happy 4th to all!
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Post# 19500-7/4/2002-10:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Filtrator Wiring Help.....please! (Fun With 220 Volts)
MESSAGE: When I was in the UK with their 220 volts, I noticed that every outlet has its own separate master switch, and many appliances also have master switches as well.
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Post# 19501-7/4/2002-11:49 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Working on the 51 GE (good and bad news)
MESSAGE: Well Robert, first I turned it upside down as you suggested and left it. The idea being getting oil back to the agitator shaft after sitting for so long. Then with it locked in a vice, I took a large wrench to the agitate pulley and just used brute force one way until it couldn't go any further then the other. It took about one hour and finally it made the "round trip". After that it kept getting easier and easier to turn.
The bad news... shaking the tranny reveals a very sploshy fluid inside that doesn't sound at all like gear oil. We think there could be water in there. A whole tranny job may be necessary.
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Post# 19502-7/4/2002-11:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: My mother's washing machines (Nice.)
MESSAGE: No Brent, the Bosch wasn't a bolt down machine, it had a suspenion. Glad you liked it.
Louis
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Post# 19503-7/4/2002-11:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Fourth of July Everyone....
MESSAGE: And to you too and all the other Americans.
Louis
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Post# 19504-7/4/2002-12:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy -
A JAMES dishwasher too?!?! Wow, we really must have some more pictures of your appliances (and cars!) You have some very neat things it sounds like!
I think we'll have to put you on the "convention site" list too - once you are settled in your new house, of course!
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Post# 19505-7/4/2002-12:53 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (reply to jetaction)
MESSAGE: Yeah, what I would call "super cool down".
You are quite right, today's Whirlmores conserve more water with the current cooldown, but the action's not as much fun as the olden days.
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Post# 19506-7/4/2002-12:59 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: G.E. electric sink (dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club! Glad you found us. Keep coming back and posting to us.
Just before you got here, there was a post about the history of dishwashers that had a link to an encyclopedia type article. It had a lot of info on electric sinks. Cant remember the number and title, but just keep hitting the PREV button; it may still have not drifted enough to have gotten buried in the archives yet.
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Post# 19507-7/4/2002-16:04 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Vintage 4th of July Memories
MESSAGE: In the distance, from between the legs of the big people, through the dark and smoke, I saw bright colors. Hands no longer restraining me, I ran towards them, as fast as my three year old legs would take me, closer and closer they came. With each step brilliant reds, whites, and blues burst forth, in the shape of a huge flag suspended just a few feet above the ground. My eyes filled with delight as the spectacle grew in brightness and intensity. I heard a gasp from the crowd behind me as I ran to the fireworks, to become one with the woundrous sights, sounds, and smells. Then, suddenly, they all disappared, it was all darkness and strange metal beams around me. I couldn't see much in front of me, but I could sense the colors and joy were now somehow behind me. Before I could turn around, my father's arms engulfed me and I was spirited off to the car. I remember trying to find the words to describe the wonderful sight I had seen, but nobody wanted to hear, they were all besides themselves over something else. To this day no fireworks have, for me, matched those I saw as a three year old toddler, escaped from his family's protection for just a moment, running wild with the flames and loving every minute of it.
Probably when my parents got home they changed their underwear and washed them in their classic 1950 Bendix front loading washer. ;-). Me, I still had stars in my eyes.
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Post# 19508-7/4/2002-16:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (reply to jetaction)
MESSAGE: Remember the timer increment was every two minutes. Also, it would spin on slow speed with 4 spray rinses after draining the cool-down water before the deep rinse.
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Post# 19509-7/4/2002-17:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (reply to jetaction)
MESSAGE: Yes, I was quite dismayed when I used the PP cycle for the first time on the lakehouse washer. It drained then sat there for the balance of the two minutes. Then filled and agitated on normal for 2 minutes drained and went to spin. No grinding of wig-wags as it starts agitating & filling at the same time on low speed, no water drama of splashing, nada zip zilch.!!!
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Post# 19510-7/4/2002-20:17 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: I remember my grandmother's Kenmore 70 had that cool-down sequence and I thought it was cool (pun intended, Bob!) -- especially compared to our Whirlpool that had no PP cycle.
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Post# 19511-7/4/2002-20:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: 95° here with about 110% humidity . . and I was out in it mowing/trimming my yard. :-(
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Post# 19512-7/4/2002-20:41 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Ouch!! And I thought it was bad here at 98 with relatively high humidity for us but not 110% or even near that. Too hot though even for the beach today. Went for less than an hour and had to leave. But now the New York City fireworks are on TV and they are pretty spectacular. And touching considering the year the country has had. The Boston fireworks begin shortly (10pm eastern)on the A&E channel and are really great as they are accompanied by the Boston Pops.
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Post# 19513-7/4/2002-21:07 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: 110% humidity was an exaggeration. We've just come out of four or five days of daily rain and the ground is still plenty wet. It felt 110%, but I don't think it's possible to be more than 100%. Or is it??
This is just the first of July. The rest of July, August, and September are yet to come, with plenty more heat and humm-a-dity.
8-)
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Post# 19514-7/4/2002-21:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Well happily the last few days here have almost bordered on pleasant, as our humidity is way down compared to what it was over the weekend. Tomorrow I'm off to hot (but dry) Arizona. Actually I'll be stopping in Dallas but won't be leaving the air conditioned airport. Have a great rest of the holiday weekend! :)
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Post# 19515-7/4/2002-01:58 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Greg!
I would be glad to host a convention sometime here in Ohio! Between the cars and appliance collection, we could have some fun. Have you made any progress with your Filtrator wiring? Jimmy
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Post# 19516-7/5/2002-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher (Update on Filtrator progress)
MESSAGE: Well, after going through all the circuits and connections again and again, I tried another set of elements and got it to work. When I installed the new elements in the dryer and tried it again, it doesn't work! To compound the problem, when I was testing with the dryer running, the thermostat bulb capillary tube got caught on a terminal and melted the copper tubing instantly, so I need to get another one of those now. I think the connection problem lies in the timer, which I will make yet another attempt on tonight.
Ugh!
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Post# 19517-7/5/2002-09:05 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found...
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
I was even more manipulative than you suggested. I read out an ad for one of my favourite classic cars, a Leyland P76. The cost was $3500+. Then I read out the ad for the Frigidaire for $150. Not a whimper of objection. I'm not sure if it was my technique or because he is such a wonderful supportive hubby.
Anyway, I phoned the seller again. He is an older man and seemed a little short on detail, but a lovely chap and keen to show me his "collection". I am going over on Monday - 4 or 5 hours each way, what a looong day!
It is a "barrel-shaped" washer, not a wringer, it washes and spins. Almost certainly not automatic, probably a "semi-auto" with just a knob to select pulsate/off/spin, and maybe a fifteen minute clockwork timer? He says it is labelled "Pulsamatic" and "Frigidaire by General Motors - Holden". He thinks it is a 1956 model. It is much older than I had expected, I am very excited about it. He confirmed it is an "up-and-down agitator". He says it has never been used. He thinks he also has the instructions and/or a sales brochure. It is NOT a twin tub. I have said I will buy it and he has agreed to hold it for me.
So aren't I a lucky boy?
Chris.
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Post# 19518-7/5/2002-09:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found... (WOW)
MESSAGE: Chris, that washer sounds sooooo cool! I can't wait to hear what it really is. Its really never been used? What an incredible find. I wonder which mechanism this machine actually has? Here in the states Frigidaire never made a semi-automatic washer.
Many of us have routinly drove 4 or 5 hours for a washer. I drove to Toledo, OH, 14 hours away from Minneapolis to get the very first US made Frigidaire washer. It's always an adventure.
Keep us posted and if you would like to send me pictures I will scan and post them right away for the club.
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Post# 19519-7/5/2002-09:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found... (and a link I forgot...)
MESSAGE: This, for anyone interested, is a link to one of my favourite "classic" cars, the Leyland P76, as mentioned in my last post.
I will yap about them soon in the sandbox.
Chris.
LINK: http://www.phm.gov.au/scripts/webdbs/collone.idc?id=17&cat=2
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Post# 19520-7/5/2002-09:22 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found... (WOW)
MESSAGE: Thanks Uni, yes I will take plenty of photos and will take my camera in case the guy has other treasures he doesn't mind being photographed.
14 hours driving to pick up a washer. WOW! That's dedication!
Did other companies in USA make a semi-auto washer? They were very popular here until 1970's. I suspect many Aussies viewed auto washers as an extravagance, though the hubby's family has a Whirlpool one as a kid and he says overfilling it and flooding the house was not uncommon. (they don't have fill valves, just an inlet connection. If you leave the tap on, it keeps filling...) Frigidaire, Kelvinator, Simpson and Whirlpool all had them, plus many other brand I'm sure.
Chris.
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Post# 19521-7/5/2002-09:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found... (WOW)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, wonderful, I'm really intrigued about a round Frigidaire. I wonder if it has a two or three ring agitator or has an agitator like my Pulsamatic or something completely different? The Link is to pictures of my 1955 Frigidaire Pulsamatic. Congratulations again, this is a very important find for the Australian Branch of Applianceville.
As for semi-automatics I know Kenmore made a few machines like that and in the 1940's and early 50's, Thor made a semi-automatic washer. I'm sure there were others too.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/lst?&.dir=/The+Pulsamatic&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/The%2bPulsamatic%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19522-7/5/2002-10:15 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: Is this ALL of the people who are going to Convention???
MESSAGE: Brent Aucoin
Scott Onasch---Needs Transport
Ken and Jim
Glen---Needs Transport
George and Jeff---Will have car
Chris Williams
Terry Lattz---Needs Transport
Bob Amerman
Steve B
Peter S
Louis
Doug Canale
Robert Seger
Greg Nunn
Peter H
If you are going and your name is NOT on this list I NEED to know. This list is a lot shorter than the original I had...what is going on? E-mail me.. surgilator_68@yahoo.com
Jason
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Post# 19523-7/5/2002-10:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: I also remember the very EARLY (like 59 or 60) Kenmores had a sequence like the Whirlpools of the day. Shift from normal to slow agitation about the 4 or 6 minute mark and then when it came time for cool down, it shifted back to a normal drain & fill sequence. This occurred several times more than the later cool-down sequence. Also of note, I do not remember there being any agitation during the cool-down. Simply a process much like when Maytag instituted their PP cycle. However, Maytag only filled once. As I said, I remember this thing filling & draining numerous times.
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Post# 19524-7/5/2002-10:21 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Glenn, it's been almost as bad here. Today, the 5th, isn't quite as bad. It's raining again, after a 1.5 day reprieve. I don't know how hot it got yesterday, I didn't venture fourth (pun) to even retrieve the newspaper. Just retrieved 2 days of newspapers in the rain. With our forthcoming heat exchanger weather for the next 3 months, a far more better reason to remain inside and NIFCO.
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Post# 19525-7/5/2002-10:52 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: Did I hear you right? It would do this at normal speed? Or, slow speed?
A family friend had a '62 Kenmore once that just agitated at slow speed, then drained once and went on to the spin cycle. Is that normal?
I just thought that was what all machines up to '63 did until I saw an old Sears catalog from 1959. Ms. Thornton's model may have had a bad timer - who knows?
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Post# 19526-7/5/2002-11:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this ALL of the people who are going to Convention???
MESSAGE: This is indeed a very short list. Jon Charles is still not on the list. I have mailed him over a week ago about this, but I haven't heard from him yet. Is he perhaps on holiday? Does anybody know?
Louis
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Post# 19527-7/5/2002-11:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Overhere it's around 60F during the day and temperatures drop at night. We had lots of rain! I had the heating on a few times, I guess it must be even better in Scotland.
Shivering in Holland
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Post# 19528-7/5/2002-12:41 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: We had our usual disappointed 4th of July weather as well. July is generally a time of alternating between hot days and clear skies to windy cool days and evening night and morning fog. Usually the cool days and fog win out. Last night was no exception, even though Sunday-Tuesday was wonderfully warm and clear. So I went to my usual hill motorcycling spot, which has a panoramic view of much of the Bay Area, only to find chilly winds and dark haze that obscured most of San Francisco's display. On top of that, Berkeley's display was anemic and without much sound. Probably loud bangs are now politically incorrect - they may frighten the seagulls (which are as common as fleas around here anyway). Oakland gave a nice loud display, though.
Humidity is about 60%. Can't complain about that!
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Post# 19529-7/5/2002-13:28 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found...
MESSAGE: Sounds pretty kewl! Eagerly awaiting the pics and details.
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Post# 19530-7/5/2002-13:36 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: I imagine there could be any number of variations on the drain/fill/agitate cool-down theme.
There's a LONG video at the archive.com site all about wash-n-wear, and featuring a 1960-something Whirlpool time-line pair. I'll have to take a look at it again, see what the cool-down sequence was, I recall that the details are provided but I don't remember what they are.
The Whirlpool service tech I worked with claimed that the original wash-n-wear cycle was exactly like Normal, but shorter and with normal agitate and slow spin. I silently disagreed. He was sometimes just a touch off-base. We also had an "argument" once about the rinse-fill increment on timers -- he insisted the timer could not possibly run at any time during the fill. I rememeber once when running a machine through a test cycle, he got rather confused when it hit rinse fill and then timer made another increment after the fill had started -- he was SURE there was something wrong with it.
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Post# 19531-7/5/2002-14:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: My mom's Kenmore 800's cool down cycle sent my mom into an enraged panic.
For all the 12 or 13 years we've owned the beauty, my mom used the PP cycle only ONCE, and that was after begging her to try it out. It was mostly run on the normal cycle. So anyway, she finally broke down and started it on Perm Press cycle. It filled and agitated just like normal until.... it drained and began filling again. That was "unusual" but nothing bad until the machine started agitating on low speed. My mom thought I broke the machine because it was filling and agitating. She frantically stopped the machine and was yelling at me the whole time. "YOU SEE WHAT YOU DID! NOW I HAVE TO CALL THE REPAIRMAN" etc... This scared me and I ran into my room and didn't come out until a few hours later. My mom did call the repair shop and they said it was normal operation. Needless to say, NORMAL was the only cycle ever used again on the Kenmore 800.
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Post# 19532-7/5/2002-14:19 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (and link for JasonL)
MESSAGE: Jason - I told you'd I'd post a picture of that retro Westy and what the control lokked like...sorry it took me so long, but here it is on the link.
My mom's first washer was a Dexter wringer that had the same agitator as the early Philco automatics. I loved to watch her wash and she would let me stand on a stool and watch the machine agitate and the clothes move around. But one day I got my arm stuck in the wringer. I almost lost my limb and my mom nearly miscarried my brother (she fells down the basement stairs eight months pregnant trying to rescue me.) Thankfully, all three of us survived that day
So it was she decided to move into the automatic age. (She said years later that the only reason she had that wringer machine in the first place was because our old house in New York didn't have connections for an automatic.) She got a Westinghouse Laundromat...I think it was a 56 or 57. I could watch all the action and if the door was opened it shut off, so she felt safe I wouldn't kill myself with the washing machine. My grandmother had a 55 Frigidaire Unimatic, which I really loved. I could watch that machine go all day. She used Tide which made "heaping suds" in those days and the Frigidaire out on a great show. The shut-off wouldn't stop the machine until the lid was opened completely, so it was easy to watch all the action....even the spin.
My mom went on to get a flat-front Laundromat next (much to my dismay...I wanted her to get a Frigidaire.) Later she got a top-load Westy with the sprial agitator. My dad was an engineer for Westinghouse Power Labs and got employee discounts. After Westinghouse sold to WCI, she switched to Kenmores.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Continuing+Vintage+Ads&.src=ph&.dnm=classic+Westinghouse+washers.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Continuing%2bVintage%2bAds%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19533-7/5/2002-14:33 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: It looks like the cool down cycle is something to behold on those great machines. If I recall from memory, the wash cycle was 10 minuets long, between 10-6 minuets it would agitate at normal speed, then shift down to low for the next 4 minuets before normal speed partial drain. The total cool down process or I should say time was 8 minuets long, but that does not include fill time. So the average time was approximately 45 minuets total wash cycle including fills.
The timer sequence was so intricate, going back and forth between high/low speed plus filling and agitating at the same time just makes my head spin thinking about it!
No wonder I love this machine, it kept me thinking on how I wish I was there to help Whirlpool create a better machine!
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Post# 19534-7/5/2002-15:34 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Can I Go To The Convention?
MESSAGE: Hi. I am Pulsator or Jamie Jeffery. I am 12 years old and I love washing machines. Can I go to the convention? When is it? Where is it? My mom said she would take me if it isn't to far away. I could bring my agitator collection and my Chinese washing machine if you want me to. I have always wanted to go to a Washing Machine Convention my whole life. If you could give me an answer or questions and an answer as soon as possible I would really really really appreciate it!
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Post# 19535-7/5/2002-15:36 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Can I Go To The Convention?
MESSAGE: Hi. I am Pulsator or Jamie Jeffery. I am 12 years old and I love washing machines. Can I go to the convention? When is it? Where is it? My mom said she would take me if it isn't to far away. I could bring my agitator collection and my Chinese washing machine if you want me to. I have always wanted to go to a Washing Machine Convention my whole life. If you could give me an answer or questions and an answer as soon as possible I would really really really appreciate it!
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Post# 19536-7/5/2002-16:06 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this ALL of the people who are going to Convention???
MESSAGE: Hi I am Pulsator. I have a post that you should read, I pressed it twice so there is two messages in a row at the top from Pulsator that is me please read it. I want to go to the convention. The post is titled: Can I Go To The Convention?. Well thank you and read and answer as soon as possible.
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Post# 19537-7/5/2002-16:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found...
MESSAGE: Ooooooh, the excitement builds! This will be a very neat find indeed! Can't wait to hear what turns up and hopefully see some pictures too...
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Post# 19538-7/5/2002-16:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Electonic Kenmore
MESSAGE: A black electronic Kenmore on eBay. I think some people are looking for it. The matching gas dryer is there too. They're in New York.
Louis
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2036840235
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Post# 19539-7/5/2002-16:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Can I Go To The Convention?
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie -
Welcome to the club - glad you found us!
We had our first convention last year (links to photos in the LINKS section) in Minneapolis, MN. This year we are meeting at one of our other member's home and museum/warehouse in Beltsville, MD (Washington DC) August 16 - 18th. Most of the people going are staying at the Holiday Inn in College Park, MD. I don't know if the dates or the distance will work for you, but if you want more information on the specific events, let us know.
What agitators do you have in your collection? And 4 washers at age 12, I would have been in heaven! Do you have them all hooked up and running?
Enjoy the club and keep hunting for that Frigidaire 1-18, you're sure to find one, there are still many around.
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Post# 19540-7/5/2002-16:54 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: Moms do have their moments, don't they?
:-)
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Post# 19541-7/5/2002-17:35 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Arrrooohhh... (Celestial washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Great news about your Frigidaire find.Cant' wait to see your pics. Yes as you say semi-automatics were quite popular here in the 60's. It was as if housewives needed something intermediate between the old manual washdays with wringer washers and twin tubs and the step up to fully automatics. I certainly remember the Simpson with winged knobs and one of the Whirlpool models.
The Celestial was a Simpson, at least at one stage. I remember that my parents bought my brother one as a wedding present in 1973 and it was a rebadged Simpson with Fluid Drive.
cheers
Greg
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Post# 19542-7/5/2002-17:45 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this ALL of the people who are going to Convention???
MESSAGE: Hi Add my name to the list, FilterFlo, Jimmy Scichilone from Ohio Thanks
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Post# 19543-7/5/2002-18:00 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: Mum's washing machine
MESSAGE: The first washer my mother had was a wringer Westinghouse. It was cream enamel and the agitator was cast aluminium. Coppers were part of most laundries in the 50's and I remember that cottons and linens were first washed in the machine and then boiled for 30 mins or so. Clothes were rinsed in double concrete tubs and whites were given a second rinse in blued water. I remember my Dad grating bar soap for the washing machine but later mum used Rinso soap powder. When I was about 5 I put my arm through the wringer and it didn't have a safety release - I wore a sling for many days!!!! Another member of Appllianceville suffered a similar fate!
Clothes were hung on the clothes line and in fact most people in Australia still line dry clothes. My Dad always built them himself - heavy timber T bars at each end with well strained galvanised wire. He recently built one for my sister who lives in the country. I am a city boy and have to rely on my Miele condensor dryer more.
My mum returned to the workforce in about 1963 and in 1964, with the extra income and less time for washing they purchased a fully automatic Malleys Whirlpool. It had the Magic Mix filter with the brush and glass cover, a black agitator (could have been bakerlite or maybe a new plastic) with a black cap with a W on it. It had a built in heater because our hot water system was of small capacity so it would take about an hour to heat up the water to very hot. The sudsaver was important and the hot sudsy water was stored in a deep "Sudsmiser" tub. I just loved watching that machine go through its cycles although the neutral drain was boring. I loved the clunk you would hear when you put the dial on suds return. The machine agitated the whole time while the suds came up through the perforated tub.
I had a school friend whose parents had the first automatic Simpson and I loved the whirr as it agitated away. It spun out the water.
My parents built a new house in 1972 and with it bought a new Simpson Fluid Drive with a "channel ribbed tub. The channelled tub was just a gimmick supposedly to drag the dirt away from the clothes during the spin draining. It had a rubber filter through which wash water recirculated - same position on the machine as the Whirlpool's magic mix filter. The control panel lit up and it was all push button with a horizontal cycle progress indicator. The sudsreturn was rather different to the Whirlpool. At the end of the cycle, if the plug was in the sudsmiser tub then the machine automatically siphoned the water back into the outer tub. The inner tub was solid so the clothes didn't get wet. When you removed the clothes they were hot!!. You then reloaded with dirty clothes and pushed in a button so that the progress indicated started at the beginning of the cycle. Water was pumped from the outer tub into the inner bowl through the filter outlet. On completion the water level sensor would trigger some fresh water to come in to bring it up to level then the agitation would start. On all accounts it was a tremendous washing machine and it went for 25 years.
My parents replaced it with an imported Maytag and immediately they noticed how wet the clothes were after spinning. I have only seen it operate once - it has a very fast short stroke with what appears to be poor turnover.
Ahh ... such fond memories
Greg
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Post# 19544-7/5/2002-18:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Electonic Kenmore
MESSAGE: Oh no, I have that Direct Drive pair.....
I want the belt drive version in black or platinum!
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Post# 19545-7/5/2002-20:02 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Electonic Kenmore ((fix or replace ?))
MESSAGE: I got the same DD pair I bought in 1986. They only do two or three loads a week but the electronics are starting to act up on the washer. From what I can tell it's the microcmputer that's going bad. You have to keep trying until it will accept a command from the touchpad. Best price I found was $275 on line. The touchpad is $318 and the power supply Sear's said they can't get,nor can I find it on line. Is it worth trying to fix or just get a new FL set? I haven't found any one local that can test the boards and maybe repair them. It's very erratic,but once it accepts the program all is fine.
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Post# 19546-7/5/2002-20:09 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Reservations for Convention
MESSAGE: Hi all.
As I was finally able to get time off from work for the weekend of August 16, Jim and I plan to be in D.C. for the convention. However, I need an update on motel reservations. The last post I saw, showed that the Holiday Inn in College Park, Maryland was recommended, and is where many of you are staying. Is that the case? Or is there another spot where most of you guys are going to be? Could someone please confirm this so we can make our reservations ASAP.
Thanks,
Ken
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Post# 19547-7/5/2002-20:57 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Can I Go To The Convention?
MESSAGE: Well I have a Whirlpool Surgilator, 2 Super-Roto-Swirls, a newer maytag, a GE Activator, and a newer Frigidaire agitator. The four washers aren't all that great they are all about 2-10 years old and only 2 are mine. One is my moms and one is my dads. The worst is that neither of mine are hooked up because we are recovering from a basement flood (hose burst) and my mom is scared that it will happen again, we lost $20,000.00 in it. So she won't hook them up.
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Post# 19548-7/5/2002-21:39 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: I really want to go to the convention... DARN!
MESSAGE: I am too far I suspect. I live in Ann Arbor, Michigan. Maybe I could find some other transpertation. Well will you guys help me on this?
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Post# 19549-7/5/2002-22:51 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Arrrooohhh...
MESSAGE: I have never seen a celestial washing machine.
I do know they existed though.
Chocie magazine from 1978 listed every model washing machine on sale in Australia.
One was the clestial which sounded like a Japanese washer.
The other was a front loading Pope made in Germany.
Man would I love to see one of those.
I am going to have to do some photocopying and scanning I see.
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Post# 19550-7/5/2002-22:55 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mum's washing machine
MESSAGE: Hi Mooney!
What shape was the agitator in your Mums Westy wringer? Was it spiral shaped like Westy automatics.
How I love fliud drive Simpsons. With the recirculating filter how did that work if it was a solid tub? Did it recirculate on low water levels or just on high? I supose the best way to find out is to find one, bring it home and play with it.
Man would my family love that! More junk in our garage!
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Post# 19551-7/5/2002-22:56 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found...
MESSAGE: I like your tactics!
Cant wait to see what you bring home.
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Post# 19552-7/5/2002-23:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: What I remember is, start at normal agitation on wash'n'wear cycle, then drop to slow agitation for 4-6 minutes and then go back to normal speed drain for cool-downs. Early Whirlpools also did this. I'm not sure exactly when Seares started differentiating, but it was probably 63 or 64 where by their w'n'w cycle was all normal agitation,, not like WP's. And the Kenmore then shifted to a slow drain for the cool-down.
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Post# 19553-7/5/2002-23:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Luigi, sorry you're shivering in Holland. Sorry I can't hop on a jet and come over and cuddle with you and keep you warm. You'll just ahve to wait until the convention I guess.
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Post# 19554-7/5/2002-23:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: Well Glenn, you were right on the rinse fill timer increment. On the 800, that was the spot where the FS dispenser opened up intially and released its contents into the outer tub.
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Post# 19555-7/5/2002-23:46 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Wanna buy an appliance store?
MESSAGE: I just saw this on E-Bay. Thought somebody in Arizona would be interested. There is a Maytag N series wringer in one photo, and some belt drive Whirlpools in another.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2035854598
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Post# 19556-7/5/2002-23:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (1977 Portable PP cycle)
MESSAGE: FYI, on my 77 portable it's normal agitation, drain, fill, normal agitation, drain, slow spin, rinse, slow spin.
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Post# 19557-7/5/2002-00:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (FS dispenser)
MESSAGE: Alas, that's another feature on the 800 I NEVER got to see. My mom never used the dispenser because it was a "pain in the ass" to dilute with water. Now what kind of pain would that be? I use the FS dispenser in my portable. You just fill the cap with water filling in the machine. But then she would get mad because she forget to add softener to the rinse water.
SHEESH. When I get my 800, I'm going to take away her soap opera video tapes and won't give them back until she uses the dispensers and the PP cycle, and then I'm going to make her write "I will not get mad when the cool down starts" 800 times.
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Post# 19558-7/5/2002-00:21 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Reservations for Convention (Holiday Inn, College Park MD)
MESSAGE: Hiya, Ken!
Here's a link to the Holiday Inn. There's a discount rate for rooms reserved at least 21 days in advance. I better hurry and reserve as well!
LINK: http://www.basshotels.com/holiday-inn?_franchisee=WASCB
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Post# 19559-7/5/2002-00:23 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (Kenmore cool-down)
MESSAGE: Our 1962 Whirlpool didn't have a FS dispenser, but it still had the rinse-fill increment -- 1 min 15 secs were the increments on that machine. Thus, a 4-min wash time setting was actually 5 mins.
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Post# 19560-7/6/2002-04:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: 4th July Celebrations!!!!
MESSAGE: Thank you Bob, but I do hope that it will get warmer here sooner! I bought an airconditioner, but I should have looked for one with a built in heater!
Luigi
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Post# 19561-7/6/2002-05:28 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mum's washing machine
MESSAGE: Hi arrrooohhh,
The agitator in the Westinghouse was not spiral - quite conventional with 4 fins on the base and 4 around the top of the agitator.
I think the Simpson probably only recirculated when it was on a full load - the inner tub was so full that water overflowed into the outer tub where it was picked up in the sump by a pump and recirculated. I have never really thought about it much but that is probably the way it worked.
cheers Greg
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Post# 19562-7/6/2002-08:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mum's washing machine
MESSAGE: Hi Greg.
That Simpson Fluid Drive... did it have a fluoro lit display and a "time line" progress indicator? If so it sounds like the one my Nan (grandmother) had. She had a Lightburn twin tub (the one with the cement mixer style wash tub) when they lived in their own house. Later my grandfather got a caretaker position that came with a furnished apartment, including a Simpson fluid drive washer and dryer pair, and Frigidaire electric stove and fridge.
Do you have any idea what the Simpson Fluid Drive was based on (Where did Simpson get the design?)
Chris.
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Post# 19563-7/6/2002-08:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hey Arrrooohhh... (Front loading Pope washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohh.
That front loading Pope... I would guess that by 1978 Pope and Simpson were the one company. There was a Simpson version, too. It was VERY basic, Simpson were being a bit bottom of the market at the time. Judging by e motor and pulley sizes, it would have had a dismally slow spin - probably 400 rpm or less. I have only seen a dead one. I don't know if you know of the Simpson dishwashers of the time, they were VERY popular. The controls were a silver panel and knobs, with an orange "on" light and markings. The interior liner was plastic. My family had one, it lasted many years without trouble. It was also made in Germany, I can't remember the maker but I think it might have been Bauknecht. I do remember it struck me as a very "Germanic" sounding name. It was on a label inside the machine.
Chris.
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Post# 19564-7/6/2002-08:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Guess what I found...
MESSAGE: Greg...
You're excited!!
How do you think I feel?
I have to wait till Monday!
Best Wishes.
Chris.
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Post# 19565-7/6/2002-14:30 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: I might actually come to the Convention!
MESSAGE: Hi, it is Jamie Jeffery again. I might come to the Convention! My mom is pondering the idea of flying to DC. I need more information on coming. My mom and I would like to share a room and I am wondering which hotel/motel to go to. Are you guys going to make one big reservation for a lot of rooms? Do we need to rent a car to go to this warehouse from the airport? Well we need more info if you guys can give me any, it would be great!
Thanks,
Jamie Jeffery
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Post# 19566-7/6/2002-14:37 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: almost forgot!
MESSAGE: I would also need a map to the warehouse from the airport.
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Post# 19567-7/6/2002-16:15 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I might actually come to the Convention!
MESSAGE: Jamie,
Look a little down the page at Post # 19558. It includes a link to the hotel where you can make reservations. Pretty much everyone who is going is staying at this location, but there isn't a block of rooms reserved specifically for the group, everyone is on their own for making their reservation.
There will be some people in the group who will have cars, and can provide rides, but the details are still being figured out on how many that will be. If your mom can rent a car, that might be a good idea. I understand there will be maps provided on how to get to the various locations where things will be happening.
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Post# 19568-7/6/2002-16:41 ||| Oldfrig (in)
SUBJECT: 1940s frigidaire frig help
MESSAGE: Hi-
I have a 1947? frigidaire model 5408447 refrigerator. I am in need of the coils that hold the refrigerant and serve as the freezer compartment. This refrigerator had worked perfectly unti today when a coil was accidentally punctured. Are these units repairable-- possibly at a radiator shop?? or are any used parts still available?
Any links or advice would be helpful.
Thanks in advance
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Post# 19569-7/6/2002-20:47 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Kenmore Dryer)
MESSAGE: That dryer was from the early 60's I think, but I can't seem to find any picture of it anywhere. The ozone lamp lasted forever and always gave off a nice smell too!!
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Post# 19570-7/6/2002-00:03 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Moms Kenmore dryer fiasco, too good to keep to myself!!)
MESSAGE: I thought you guys would find this a little interesting on the topic of Kenmore dryers. Just a tiny bit off topic, but im sure you guys will get a gasp out of it.. Last night I stripped the bed and washed my sheets and my duvet cover. I threw them in the dryer (as usual) and went off to clean the air conditioner. I went back down to the basement to take them out. Well, the top sheet balled up into the duvet and was still quite wet. OK, no prob, i figured I'd throw it back in and take a shower. I closed the door, and pressed that little start button!I just BARELY turned around when something in the motor or the motor itself EXPLODED and caught the dryer on fire... Yes, EXPLODED!! The lint remnants inside the dryer caught fire and I couldnt even get to it!!! I could just watch the fire burning through the little gap in the door hinge!!I quickly shut the circuit breaker and ran upstairs and woke my mother (may i remind you this is 2:30 in the morning LOL)and we both ran down to the basement!! By this time all traces of fire had (THANK GOD) put themselves out. The 2 sad parts.. the dryer was ONLY 10 years old and I ONLY have one set of sheets LOL. I couldn't even make my bed last night!!! The sheets were fine although wet. I'll certainly tell you one thing, when our NEW Kenmore Elite dryer comes on Thursday. I'll be sure to NEVER leave that thing running when im not home or not close by.. Kinda makes you think doesnt it???
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Post# 19571-7/6/2002-00:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940s frigidaire frig help
MESSAGE: I believe the coils are repairable, however, the type of freon refrigerant needed, I believe, is now extremely expensive and may also be rather hard to find. This is because it's manufacture has been banned due to concerns over the effect of freon and other chlorinated hydrocarbons on the ozone layer. I have heard that some repair outfits scooped up the remaining available freon years ago just before it was banned and are now selling it as needed at a high markup.
A call to your local appliance or refrigerator repair shop would give you an idea of how much fixing up this old fridge will cost.
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Post# 19572-7/6/2002-00:16 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940s frigidaire frig help
MESSAGE: Freon (R-12) costs $100 dollars a pound!!!!!!!!!!! Most refrigerators require from 3 to 6 pounds of Freon!! The only places that still carry Freon are automotive repair shops and car dealerships!! You MAY be able to have someone recharge it at an appliance repair shop, OR, they may be able to very easily convert it to an R-22 (new, safe refrigerant) system.
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Post# 19573-7/6/2002-00:19 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: How does a tunnel washer work?
MESSAGE: How does a Tunnel Washer from Milnor work?
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Post# 19574-7/6/2002-01:10 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Moms Kenmore dryer fiasco, too good to keep to myself!!)
MESSAGE: There was a story a while ago on 20/20 or one of those news-magazine-type TV shows about a dryer fire, and it was a Kenmore. I didn't see the show, but there was a post here about it, and I found a video clip on the 'net.
I lived dangerously last week. My a/c went out, took a couple days to get the part, so I stayed with my grandmother. I washed a load of jeans late one night before going over there and debated on whether to leave it drying when I left. Yes. No. Yes. No. Yes.
Nothing happened, but I won't do that again.
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Post# 19575-7/7/2002-02:03 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mum's washing machine
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
The Simpson my mother had sounds just like the one your grandmother had - the fluorescent light and the time line indicator. Each time my parents had it repaired (which wasn't often in 25 years) the repairman would always say to keep it going because the don't make them like this anymore. I have no idea where Simpson got their designs from. I have been looking among members pics to see whether any machines in USA resemble the Simpson. I do remember one of the early Simpsons having a black bakerlite agitator similar to the red agitator number 6 on the famous agitators on the roof pic. I would love to find out more about the history of the company when it was based in South Australia.
What was the principle behind the Fluid Drive and why was it superior to conventional drives?
I loved those Lightburn twin tubs that were similar to Lightburn cement mixers. They were often at caravan parks in the 60's.
Good luck with the Frigidaire.
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Post# 19576-7/7/2002-03:37 ||| Bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: Home Appliance Shooting
Four Guns and a Front-end Loader
Bob arranged a shoot on Jim and Mary Ellen's ranch. They had a friend who is a appliance repairman, and managed to get us a number of refrigerators, washers, dryers, and TV sets. We had access to electric power and water, and we managed to jury-rig a couple of these devices in order to make them 'work', then we shot them.
http://www.singsingsing.com/has4.html
"A dishwasher foaming soapsuds from all seams. We filled it up with water and *a lot* of regular liquid soap (about a quart), and powered it up." "Fill'er up! The electric motor failed and started smoking. Another view." "The foaming dishwasher is now shotgunned."
Real format video shows that old Kitchenaid dishwashers are NOT bulletproof!
http://www.singsingsing.com/has4/dishwasher.rm
LINK: http://www.singsingsing.com/has.html
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Post# 19577-7/7/2002-04:00 ||| Bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Appliance Junkyards?
MESSAGE: Any junkyards exist where parts are sold from old appliances before they go in the crusher? There is an appliance junkyard nearby with piles of fridges, washers, dryers but they do not sell parts.
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Post# 19578-7/7/2002-06:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Moms Kenmore dryer fiasco, too good to keep to myself!!)
MESSAGE: Geoff - that kind of story always makes me pause. You just never know when and if something like that will happen. I have heard too many stories like that, including washer and dishwasher floods so that I never leave the house with any appliance running, especially one with a heat source. And of course I am glad no one was hurt or any serious damage occurred.
And even if you're home, you can still have a problem like that. Last week, my neighbor had a huge flood in her kitchen and dining room. Seems she put a load in the washer and went upstairs to pack for vacation. In the meantime, her washer went out of balance and started walking. Well, it walked the drain hose right out of the standpipe and onto the floor. Needless to say she came down an hour later to Lake Michigan on her main level. What a mess!!!!
I have not yet gone over to the used appliance store in Milford - I will try to get there this week......
Now for the big question - what will your replacement dryer be??????
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Post# 19579-7/7/2002-07:32 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940s frigidaire frig help
MESSAGE: Is R-22 the hydrocarbon refrigerant? The blend of Propane and Butane? If so, I believe that you can re-gas a freon fridge with it and it will be fine. R-12 is not available in Aus any more, the hydrocarbon one is used instead. You can also convert to R-134a but it is more difficult and involved.
Chris.
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Post# 19580-7/7/2002-07:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mum's washing machine
MESSAGE: Hi Greg.
I'm not certain about the fluid drive, I think it gave a gradual wind up to spin speed, so it would be less likely to get out of balance. Just a guess though.
My Nan had her Simpson FD serviced plenty of times and she wasn't too pleased with it, but another friend of mine had one for years and on the rare occasions it needed repair she got the same advice - stick with it, they don't make them like that anymore. Stokes, who market spare parts under the "Oz Spares" name in Melbourne, still had Fluid Drive parts available last time I looked, which was four or five years ago. I should look if they have an online parts catalogue.
Maybe their is something on my mother's side of the family that makes them hard on washing machines.
After my Grandfather died in the late seventies, my Nan had to get a place of her own. (their place came with her late husband's job) So she had to start over again. She bought a second hand Whirlpool from a dealer, it leaked everywhere as it was rusted out. My uncle went back to the dealer and threatened to insert the washer in a part of the salesman's anatomy. She got her money back. She then bought a new Hoover 455 front loader. She loved that machine but it took some getting used to, it had a rinse hold button that was only labelled "a" and "b", if you selected "b" it wouldn't spin. She phone the service department thinking the washer had broken down. They said it was a VERY common call! The next model was clearly labelled "spin" and "hold"!!!
Another time she ran out of OMOmatic, the only FL detergent available at the time. She tried using a spoonful of Palmolive dish liquid, and had suds covering the floor of three rooms.
Chris.
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Post# 19581-7/7/2002-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: To all Applianceville USA members.
I believe a lynching is in order.
Show no mercy.
Best Wishes to you all from
A very shocked little Gizmo.
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Post# 19582-7/7/2002-09:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: How does a tunnel washer work? (like this...)
MESSAGE: It's a long tunnel with different drums performing a different function like wash, rinse, spin, etc. I'd like to see one in action.
By the way, I grew up watching a Milnor front loader at the laundromat where my mom worked. Part of the reason why I love washers so much.
LINK: http://www.milnor.com/CBWwhatis.asp?model=36
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Post# 19583-7/7/2002-10:52 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Appliance Junkyards?
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club. What part of PA are you from?
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Post# 19584-7/7/2002-11:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (& I thought the Kenmore beating was over the top)
MESSAGE: I'm rarely speechless, but that site really did leave me speechless. Oh by the way Chris and Louis, when you come to the Appliance Convention in august don't forget to bring a rifle. Of course you know that all of us Americans have lots of guns and we wouldn't want you to feel left out if you forgot to bring one. :)
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Post# 19585-7/7/2002-11:40 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Moms Kenmore dryer fiasco, too good to keep to myself!!)
MESSAGE: Angus,
Believe it or not, the new dryer is a mid-level Kenmore Elite.
My father pushed Maytag, and my mother is die-hard Maytag but the Kenmore Elite though was 1.5 cubic feet bigger so that sold her. That and she loved her dryer till it exploded LOL
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Post# 19586-7/7/2002-11:41 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940s frigidaire frig help
MESSAGE: Gizmo,
R-134a is left for cars!!
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Post# 19587-7/7/2002-12:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (& I thought the Kenmore beating was over the top)
MESSAGE: I was flabbergasted when I saw this. This is so in contrast to what we are doing at this club. I prefer looking at appliances that are being conserved not demolished.
Apart from the fact that it is very hard to get a rifle overhere I don't think it would be very wise to take a gun with me on a plane, especially when I'm taking detergent too. A man from the Netherlands at the airport with a rifle and white powder, I don't think that would increase my chances of coming to the convention LOL.
Louis
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Post# 19588-7/7/2002-12:19 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Moms Kenmore dryer fiasco, too good to keep to myself!!)
MESSAGE: Wow, at first I thought it might be a faulty ignitor in a gas dryer, but it sounds like yours is (was) an electric dryer. Sorry to hear of your loss, glad to hear it wasn't worse. I suspect perhaps your dryer venting isn't quite right, and ther is lint blockage in the ducting, which led to lint build-up inside the dryer.
Me, I routinely run my Maytag dryer unattended. And it's gas. But I also check frequently that the air flow out the ducting is full force, with no funny noises. It's also about time for the yearly ducting disassembly and inspection/cleaning, thanks for reminding me.
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Post# 19589-7/7/2002-12:23 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: Well, some people will probably be upset by this wanton destruction of old tv's and appliances....
Me, I was fortunate enough to attend the Ant Farm's historic "Media Burn" event in San Francisco in the mid-70's, when they drove a specially rigged Cadillac DeVille with remote TV camera steering though a wall of burning old TV sets. This is the same Ant Farm that constructed the "Cadillac Ranch" in Texas, with a number of old big finned behemoth planted face down in the dirt at almost a 90 degree angle.
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Post# 19590-7/7/2002-12:36 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: PS- "Media Burn" at least had some socially redeeming value as an artistic event. The appliance shooting doesn't seem to meet pass that test and might be judged by some as obscene.
On the other hand, it's a free country. I didn't see any really choice old appliances, say 50's or earlier, being shot up, but there are many here who love 70's design.
Although I own a few guns, I would not be interested in using one on an appliance of any vintage. Maybe the appliance shooters could consider that people here regard appliances with the same devotion as the shooters regard their guns. I'm sure the shooters would not want to see one of their treasured old firearms placed into a vintage electric oven set for the cleaning cycle. So there.
Obviously Uni was kidding about bringing guns to the appliance convention, I hope everyone realizes that.
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Post# 19591-7/7/2002-12:45 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: Speed Queen Laundromat
MESSAGE: I was in the neighborhood of Sacramento and Divisidero streets in San Francisco yesterday, and spied a laundromat with an old, original sign, that said "Speed Queen Laundry". So I decided to do some up close inspection. Inside I found rows of commonplace Maytag commercial top loaders, Wascomat front loaders. But off in a corner were two remaining remnants of the Speed Queen legacy, a couple of smaller lime-green-painted commercial SQ dryers. With what looked like galvanized inner drums. The floor of the laundromat was flooded, I asked a customer about that and she said it's a frequent occurance. I shook my head and left as quickly as I came in. Still, it's a cool old sign, and the next time in visiting relatives in the city I'll try to bring a camera and post some photos. I'm thinkg, maybe a San Francisco laundromat grand tour is in order, to capture the last of a dying breed of washers and dryers.
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Post# 19592-7/7/2002-12:52 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: I might actually come to the Convention!
MESSAGE: I think everyone is on there own as far as a Hotel goes. My guess is you and your Mother will want to see the sights of DC so a rental car would be best in my opnion. Your Mother will have to come with you to the convention you will not be able to attend with out adult supervision of a parent.
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Post# 19593-7/7/2002-13:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (shoot 'em up...)
MESSAGE: By all means, don't forget your guns. For those who don't own them, you might be able to borrow one from these guys.....
LINK: http://www.nra.org/
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Post# 19594-7/7/2002-13:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Bendix #2
MESSAGE: Yesterday, Brent and I traveled to Anniston, Alabama and (with a bit of effort) picked up a 1947 Bendix Deluxe washer. The machine was bolted to a concrete slab between the cellar staires and the twin rinse tubs of a wringer that was probably replaced by the automatic home laundry wonder.
The cabinet has a good bit of surface rust, and dripping paint where someone had tried to paint it before. The tub must have been left full of water, as half of it is pretty badly rusted while it sat half full, but the other half is perfect. Underneath, theres a bit of rust, but nothing fatal.
While the machine was still in placed, we started it up. The motor runs, the soleniods engage and disengage, but the tub doesn't turn. There was no burning smell at all, so I wonder if the problem is in the transmission.
For $75, I think I got a keeper...
Thanks to Brent for his help with the machine!!!
-ph
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Post# 19595-7/7/2002-13:50 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: I just had to post that link. Hope no one found it too disturbing to watch. Didn't look like anything rare or valuable was destroyed. If they shot the timer off a Frigidaire Control Tower or crushed a GE Monitor Top fridge I would not have posted the link. I'm sure just about all of you have considered taking a troublesome appliance out back and shooting it.
Vacuum cleaner enthusiasts DO NOT click on the link below!
LINK: http://www.corvair.org/chapters/chapter017/articles/vacuumjet.html
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Post# 19596-7/7/2002-14:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Reservations for Convention (Holiday Inn - College Park)
MESSAGE: I think most guys are making there reservations at the Holiday Inn College Park over the internet (holiday-inn.com) at the 21-day advance purchase rate. They have been kinda unresponsive to me, so I'll try again on Monday and see if I can get a better rate.
-ph
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Post# 19597-7/7/2002-14:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How does a tunnel washer work? (like this...)
MESSAGE: The machine is like a big spiral corkscrew. The loads are dumped into one end, and the machine rocks back and forth about 180-270 degress clockwise then counter clockwise. When the load has been in the compartment for the alloted amount of time, the machine turns one complete 360 revolution, and the load moves into the next compartment, while a fresh load is added to the first. The machine rocks and then revolves, until the load is dumped out of the far end into a press or a high speed spinning extractor. From there, it's off to the dryers.
-ph
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Post# 19598-7/7/2002-15:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (& I thought the Kenmore beating was over the top)
MESSAGE: Hmm, Louis, you might have a point there!!! Security would have a field day with that. Of course imagine their faces when they determine what the white powder really is!!!
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Post# 19599-7/7/2002-15:20 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat
MESSAGE: Rich - a Laundromat tour of San Francisco sounds like a ripping good time. I wonder what you will find - and I bet there will be some surprises!!
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Post# 19600-7/7/2002-15:56 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: I liked one line:
"...the women shake their heads in such a way as to clearly indicate that, yes, they knew guys could be idiots, but they had never realized that guys could be idiots of this magnitude."
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Post# 19601-7/7/2002-15:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (& I thought the Kenmore beating was over the top)
MESSAGE: I suppose the nature of the white powder might depend on which direction Louis is flying.
From Holland to the USA, it could be anytyhing - cake flour, makeup, talc, powdered confectioner's sugar, etc. On the way back to Holland from the USA, however, it could be only one thing: STPP!!!
LOL...
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Post# 19602-7/7/2002-16:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat
MESSAGE: Only if we make a side trip to the Musee' Mechanique and possibly Santa Cruz Beach and Boardwalk. Home of the beautiful Giant Dipper coaster.
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Post# 19603-7/7/2002-16:24 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (they killed a belt driven kenmore...)
MESSAGE: how could they...
LINK: http://www.singsingsing.com/has5/danbeatswasher.jpg
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Post# 19604-7/7/2002-16:49 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: GASP, AND A BELT DRIVEN WHIRLPOOL
MESSAGE: poor dear
LINK: http://www.singsingsing.com/has5/microwavebeating2.jpg
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Post# 19605-7/7/2002-17:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But....
MESSAGE: It was so beautiful, I decided to put a few hours work into it, get it running and keep it forever!
This is the 1953 Bendix Dryer that I found in a thrift store about a year ago. I was rearranging the garage last week and pulled out the Bendix from the corner. I considered giving it away or taking it to the recycler, but after taking a closer look, I realized it was in much better condition than I'd thought so I decided to clean it up and get it running. It turned out beautiful and aside from a few scratches in the paint, it cleaned up to nearly "mint" condition and runs beautifully.
Here's some pictures of the Bendix.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.src=ph&.dnm=The+Bendix+Emblem.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19606-7/7/2002-17:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: A Round Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Hey Chris, it's 5:19pm Minneapolis time on Sunday afternoon which means it's 8:19am Melbourne time on Monday morning.
You must be getting ready for your five hour drive to pick up the '56 Aussie Frigidaire. Drive safely and we're all eagerly awaiting to hear about what you find. Could it be a bolt-down Frigidaire??? Could it be a Unimatic or Pulsamatic??? Can't wait to hear, best of luck.
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Post# 19607-7/7/2002-17:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But....
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, that dryer looks like its in wonderful shape. I don't blame you for keeping him.
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Post# 19608-7/7/2002-17:58 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat
MESSAGE: I'm not sure, but I think the Musee Mechanique is due to shut down soon, if not already. I can check. That's in SF. Santa Cruz however is a 2 hour drive away. Perhaps I need to visit it at least once this summer, though, if only to ride the Dipper again.
SF used to have a small amusement park named "Playland at the Beach". I used to go there a lot when I was a kid. It had this tiny rollercoaster that fit only one small person in each seat. It was a mini-rollercoaster, and quite cool. All metal, but still neat. In fact, I don't like the new "wooden" rollercoasters that have mulitplied at places like Six Flags, which appear to equate a bone jarring ride with an authentic riding experience.
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Post# 19609-7/7/2002-17:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Bendix pics
MESSAGE: are now online...
-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp?.dir=/47+Bendix+Deluxe&.src=ph&.dnm=The+all+new+1947+Bendix+Deluxe.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst%3f%26.dir=/47%2bBendix%2bDeluxe%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19610-7/7/2002-18:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat (WHAAAAAAAAAT????)
MESSAGE: The MM is shutting down? :'-(
I better go this year and check it out. I used to love those coin operated mechanical machines. That is so sad they're going to close it down.
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Post# 19611-7/7/2002-18:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (they killed a belt driven kenmore...)
MESSAGE: Now they're treading on sacred ground.
NO ONE tortures a Kenmore and gets away with it.
At least they didn't torture a Kenmore 800.
"Do you feel lucky punk?"
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Post# 19612-7/7/2002-18:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix pics
MESSAGE: What a neat washer Peter! It doesn't look like the cabinet is bad at all - it will be a beautiful washer when it's all done.
The tub looks pretty bad, how is the tub in your little round Bendix? If you get one chassis that's good, you might be able to put the outer shell from this new Deluxe on it for a perfect machine.
Congrats on a good find!
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Post# 19613-7/7/2002-19:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Can't get enough...
MESSAGE: Here are some of my pics from the Farm trip. More to come when Yahoo stops pitching fits...
-ph
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst?.dir=/Farm+pics&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst%3f%26.dir=/Farm%2bpics%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19614-7/7/2002-19:07 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix pics
MESSAGE: Thanks, Greg! The tub in my little Bendix is chipped up, but not rusted. I seem to remember that our old clubmate, Buick, offered me an extra tub that he had, but I don't know if he's still around. This one would have had a perfect tub if it didn't sit full. Got to wonder how much use it got before they stopped using it...
-ph
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Post# 19615-7/7/2002-19:38 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: Another case for stronger and tighter gun legislation.
Dont these stupid people have something more intelligent to do?
At least they are not shooting at people although looneys like this make me think that it wouldnt take much to push them over the edge.
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Post# 19616-7/7/2002-20:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's Washing Machine History (Moms Kenmore dryer fiasco, too good to keep to myself!!)
MESSAGE: Geoff, I'm thankful nothing more significant was damaged--lives of whole house. I make it a rule to never leave with any major appliance like this running. I've been known to nap on the couch late at nite while the dryer is finishing or the dishwasher. And if I do go to bed at the end of the rinse cycle of the dw, I make sure energy saver dry is used for that load.
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Post# 19617-7/7/2002-20:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Think you can hurt a washer?
MESSAGE: Think you can hurt a washer a get away with it?
Think again...
Sir Frigemore is watching you
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/vwp?.dir=/pictures/weird+stuff&.src=ph&.dnm=You+are+being+watched.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/kenmore800/lst%3f%26.dir=/pictures/weird%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19618-7/7/2002-20:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Think you can hurt a washer? (what was that?)
MESSAGE: That was my comforter going 1050rpm. I watched it spinning and noticed how it looks like an eye. I shot a pic of it without the flash (slow speed) and it came through. Unfortunately my reflection shows up in the glass as well.
SpooOOOOooooky!
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Post# 19619-7/7/2002-21:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix pics
MESSAGE: Peter, thanks for sharing. She doesn't look as abad on the outside as I had thought she would look. Now the tub, that's a different subject. Can it be salvaged? Wish yoyu would have taken a pic of Brent with the washer.
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Post# 19620-7/7/2002-21:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But....
MESSAGE: Greg, I'm glad ya didn't shoot him either. He's handsome!!! Now the Duomatic has a sibbling!!! You can wash & dry the complete Bendix way for sure. Condensor or regular drying.
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Post# 19621-7/7/2002-21:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting
MESSAGE: Yeah. I 'spect me saying that the guy with the ax isn't bad looking would probably put them over the edge and shoot me!!!!
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Post# 19622-7/7/2002-21:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Think you can hurt a washer? (what was that?)
MESSAGE: Jason, that's not spookey. It looks like casper the friendly ghost in "color".
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Post# 19623-7/7/2002-21:20 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Think you can hurt a washer? (what was that?)
MESSAGE: It looked better in person.
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Post# 19624-7/7/2002-21:31 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: GASP, AND A BELT DRIVEN WHIRLPOOL
MESSAGE: I am DEVASTATED, that is EXACTLY my washer they are bashing. mine is the EXACT same thing. Lets have a collective mourning for my machines sister:(
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Post# 19625-7/7/2002-21:40 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat (San Francisco Laundromats)
MESSAGE: There is one laundromat in San Francisco that is still using the round Bendix bolt down. Until about two years ago there were two other laundromats with Bendix bolt downs but went out of business. I had a family member who owned a laundromat in the late 80's with 12 1955 Frigidaire washers but the business was sold and the washers went to the dumpster even though they still worked. Another Frigidaire laundromat was on Polk near Greenwich and another at Sacramento and Lyon, and another at Hyde and Green Street but they also have gone out of business. These three stores had Frigidaire WO-65 machines. All were not self service laundromats but full service operations. Most laundromats in San Francisco now use generic Maytags or Speed Queens
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Post# 19626-7/7/2002-21:47 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But.... (Beautiful!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Another treasure for sure!! That is a beautiful machine. The drum doesn't look like it has been used very much. Does it have a light inside?? Gas or Electric. Way back when, I had a paper route and one of my customers had this dryer along with the matching washer. They lived in an apartment above a garage and the machines were in the garage. Always looked forward to collecting there on Saturday mornings as they usually were doing laundry. I always spent extra time watching and listening before knocking on the door. Thanks for the memories!! Terry
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Post# 19627-7/7/2002-21:51 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix pics (Congratulations!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, I agree with Bob,that Little Bendix wasn't in as bad of shape as I thought it would be. Too bad about the rust. Any chance you could have the tub re-done? It sure is a cute little machine. Thanks too for posting the pictures of the farm. You could sure see the Westinghouse influence on that Wards dryer. Terry
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Post# 19628-7/7/2002-22:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix pics
MESSAGE: It's strange that it sat full of water for so long to make such a mess of that tub. I would think they would have drained the machine at some point....
At any rate, the outer cabinet is probably, I'm guessing, covered in rust, but a little sand blasting and a few cans of paint later, it will be as good as new.
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Post# 19629-7/7/2002-22:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But....
MESSAGE: Drying comes only after a fast spin - in any dryer!
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Post# 19630-7/7/2002-22:18 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But....
MESSAGE: Gansky, That is a beautiful machine. And look at the craftsmanship on the inside of the door. My wife and I had the washer to match the dryer when we first married in 1971. We bought it from a junk guy in San Francisco for 20 bucks and I rebuilt and painted it. New shocks, boots and the tranny change over compliments from my uncle. We kept if for a couple of years and bought a Whirlpool TL and I gave the Bendix away. Now I wish I had kept it. One day I hope to find a 57/58 combo or a set with the steering wheel door.
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Post# 19631-7/7/2002-22:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But.... (51-52 Bendix dryer up for adoption now....)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry -
There is a light in this dryer, but it only comes on when you open the door. I might wire it so the light is on during the drying cycle, but I've not done that yet. This dryer, as well as the earlier 51-52 Bendix dryer I have are both electric. I listed the earlier dryer in the classifieds today, it now needs a good home I unfortunately don't have room for a collection of Bendix dryers, one is enough...well, plus the Duomatic!
When I was growing up, we lived in a development of 190 townhouses, all with basements. I used to spend hours running around peeping into basement windows at everyone's washers and dryers. It was the 70's, so there wasn't a whole lot to see, but still fascinating. I never saw a Bendix (or any frontload washer)and never a Frigidaire of any kind. Mostly Maytags, Kenmore, GE & Speed Queens.
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Post# 19632-7/7/2002-22:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But....
MESSAGE: I would love to have the matching washer to this dryer too, sets are always great to find. My dream "Bendix" machines would the be the 1954 Crosley branded pair - extremely rare. A 56 Power-Surge washer and matching Super-Fast dryer would be acceptable too!
You can be the proud new owner of the 51 Bendix dryer I found before this one, I don't have room for them all now.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.src=ph&.dnm=1952+Bendix+Dryer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Bendix%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19633-7/7/2002-22:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Think you can hurt a washer?
MESSAGE: Hee hee...
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Post# 19634-7/7/2002-23:17 ||| jetaction (Minnepolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mom's washing machine (reply to jetaction)
MESSAGE: The Wash-n-wear cycles do that as a cool down. The 59 Kenmore I have now does that as well. In later models, the cool down was with just one fill, and it included agitation.
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Post# 19635-7/7/2002-23:27 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Which washer and dryer models deserved shooting?
MESSAGE: The restored machines were those that withstood the test of time. Were there makes and models from the 50s/60s/70s that were junk the day they left the factory, and caused so much grief for their owners and servicemen that the whole production run should have been taken out back and shot?
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Post# 19636-7/7/2002-23:31 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: My favorite General Electric major appliances
MESSAGE: As shown in Predator and Terminator 2, "He's got a MiniGun!"
GE XM214
http://members.tripod.com/~Slippery_Jim/Machine-Guns/GE_XM214_Minigun.htm
GE M134
http://members.tripod.com/~ravingpsycho/minigun.html
Hear the GE minigun:
http://users.bigpond.net.au/minigun/audio.htm
Someone makes a t-shirt:
"GE Mini-Gun
We Bring Good Things to Life"
http://www.terroristsupply.com/products/cloths/items/dept2/08.shtml
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Post# 19637-7/7/2002-23:33 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: I Was Gonna Shoot It, But....
MESSAGE: That one's much too nice to shoot. Looks like something built to last, not something to be used 10 years and discarded.
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Post# 19638-7/7/2002-23:44 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Think you can hurt a washer? (Bullet penetration of front loader glass door.)
MESSAGE: Hmm, what would happen if a front loader was shot center of glass door? How about if it was full of water and clothes? Would a .22 penetrate and shatter the tempered glass, or would the mass of water and clothing absorb the shock?
How about setting a front-loader filled with gasoline in a safe area, putting timer on Spin, plugging in long extension cord? Then shoot it with a tracer round.
I would like to test this, but there are few if any front-loaders being thrown away. If a front-loader was thrown away I would probably fix it up. Have comforters that won't fit in top-loader, this means a trip to the laundramat :( Any front loader models that are, if sitting by the curb, not worth taking home to try and fix?
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Post# 19639-7/7/2002-23:49 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat (San Francisco Laundromats)
MESSAGE: Rapid,
Where is this Bendix-equipped laundromat?
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Post# 19640-7/7/2002-23:56 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Not my 1-18 please!!
MESSAGE: I really hope you don't feel the same way toward a General Motor's Frigidaire that you have been toward belt drive Kenmores and Whirlpools, BsmntFullOSuds. You should realize that many of those older machines do have good collector value, and you might run into one that is extremely rare and in need of preservation.
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Post# 19641-7/7/2002-00:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Think you can hurt a washer? (Bullet penetration of front loader glass door.)
MESSAGE: BFOS,
OK, you've had your laugh, I got a slight chuckle too, but in my not so humble opinion, enough is enough. This site is ostensibly about preserving and restoring appliances, not destroying them.
Seeya.
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Post# 19642-7/7/2002-00:39 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat (San Francisco Laundromat)
MESSAGE: Sudsmaster
You'll find the laundromat with the Bendix washers on Leavenworth near California Street next door to the Speed Queen Self Service laundromat on the corner.
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Post# 19643-7/7/2002-00:43 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Not my 1-18 please!!
MESSAGE: I posted links to the appliance shooting website, didn't choose which models to shoot.
Never seen a Frigidaire washer, but had a 1970 Frigidaire refrigerator given to me a few years ago. Quality of shelving, fit of door & gaskets, door handles, porcelain interior, and overall styling were superior to my 1990s Kenmore and Magic Chef fridges. Unfortunately it died, not from a barrage of 12 gauge slugs, but most likely from being moved, not being used for many months, then being moved again when I got an extra fridge with a purchased house and gave the Frigidaire away. Perhaps it would have been worth servicing?
My low-end 1994 Kenmore is so cheezy Sears didn't even put a nameplate on the outside. Plastic handles broke off, can't get door to line up properly even with new gasket. Shelves bend with any significant weight placed on them. When it stops keeping my beer cold...off to the firing range with this disposable consumer product!
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG!
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Post# 19644-7/7/2002-01:07 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Buildup of lint in old dryers a fire hazard?
MESSAGE: Have a Maytag DE 806 electric dryer, looks and works almost like new.
Recently purchased home with Kenmore gas dryer. Avocado, moisture sensor, front looks just like the gold one on the appliance shooting page down to the worn paint inside the drum. Wonder how old it was? My guess from the styling 1975. Drum paint worn out, noisy. Slow drying, even after I replaced the plastic vent hose with proper metal ductwork. No room for two dryers, so one had to go. Decided would be easier to dispose of the corpse if I chopped it up into little pieces. Have a 3/8 drive adapter that chucks into my drill, and attached an appropriate socket. Then I removed every screw and bolt in the dryer. Much easier to carry up the basement steps. Found chips from local bar, $5.00 in change, gold chain, key, and LOTS of lint. Lint packed in so deep, removing the cover wouldnt be enough to get to it.
Is lint buildup a fire hazard, if the dryer is properly vented with non-combustible metal ductwork?
Anyone find anything interesting when disassembling a dryer or washer?
Was the dryer I destroyed worth fixing up?
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Post# 19645-7/7/2002-01:27 ||| BsmntFullOSuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Cost of new washers & dryers: 50s/60s/70s/80s vs 2002?
MESSAGE: Noticed on a 1959 Westinghouse commercial, a new washer was about $350. That was a LOT of money back then. Can buy a new BOL washer for that in 2002.
Has the number of hours worked to pay for the average washer & dryer gone up or down in the US since the 50s?
What about the hours worked to pay for repairs?
Did older washers really last longer? Or was it always common to junk them after major repairs were needed in 10 years or so?
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Post# 19646-7/7/2002-01:31 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Speed Queen Laundromat (San Francisco Laundromat)
MESSAGE: Thanks! That's *sort* of on my way home from my mom's house!
:-)
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Post# 19647-7/7/2002-01:53 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Not my 1-18 please!! (Cheesy refrigerator)
MESSAGE: In some cases, newer appliances simply are not worth saving. True. I will also admit that I had a manual defrost refrigerator at one apartment that I lived in. It had to go when it wouldn't keep meet or ice cream frozen. The landlord wanted to keep it. Fine with me. About six months later, I found it out on the curb to be picked up along with the rest of the junk headed for recycle! Would it have made a nice target? You bet!
I can tell you one appliance, though, that you most deffinately would have saved. It's my 1977 portable Whirlpool Supreme Super Scour dish washer. 'Got that at a rummage sale for $25.00. Replaced one lid switch. It's still going strong after 23 years and one minor repair, and cleans dishes better than any human with a kitchen sink!
So, you see, some old appliances are deffinately worth keeping!
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Post# 19648-7/8/2002-06:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Not my 1-18 please!! (Cheesy refrigerator)
MESSAGE: Just like my 1977 Kenmore portable washer. It sat in someone's shed for a months and when I took it home. I plugged it in and it worked like new. In fact it's connected and I use it along with the front loader.
Speaking of front loaders. They're not as popular as top loaders with the general public so you won't see alot of them in the junkyards. You'll mostly see the older Westinghouses and maybe a Bendix or two. The newer "Frigemore" (Frigidaire/Kenmore/Ge, etc. made by Electrolux) is still new and they're pretty reliable so it will probably be a while before those start showing up in thrift stores and junk yards.
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Post# 19649-7/8/2002-06:22 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cost of new washers & dryers: 50s/60s/70s/80s vs 2002?
MESSAGE: Certainly in Australia it is now much cheaper to buy a washer than it was in the 60's. Back then my parents bought a new two speed Whirlpool and that cost about AUS$600. For a machine of similar capacity it still only costs about the same today. The manufacturers were probably making big profits per unit in those days. Also there were at least a dozen different manufacturers in Australia - now there are none Australian- owned and in fact the locally made machines are either Fisher and Paykel (New Zealand owned) or Electrolux (under the name of Simpson, Westinghouse, Hoover). There are lots of imported brands from Europe, USA and Asia.
Greg
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Post# 19650-7/8/2002-06:23 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Can't get enough...
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, thanks for posting the farm pics you took. We sure had fun there didnt we? So far, that has been the high point of my year! Hope I can go back to the farm when I make the trip to Greg's place in Omaha to pick up my Philcos. Seeing your pics brought back all the fond memories of the three of us there. Jimmy
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Post# 19651-7/8/2002-07:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Cost of new washers & dryers: 50s/60s/70s/80s vs 2002? (COL calculator)
MESSAGE: This site will help calculate the cost of products in today's dollars.
LINK: http://www.aier.org/cgi-bin/colcalculator.cgi
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Post# 19652-7/8/2002-09:48 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Buildup of lint in old dryers a fire hazard?
MESSAGE: read my post about the Kenmore dryer fiasco. Thats all i have to say LOL
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Post# 19653-7/8/2002-11:07 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix pics
MESSAGE: How did you get all of those Frigidaire 1-18 Pulsators!?!? That is my dream Pulsator!!! Can I have one???!
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Post# 19654-7/8/2002-11:10 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: How did you get those!!!!?
MESSAGE: How did you get all of those Frigidaire 1-18 Pulsators!?!? Those are my dream Pulsators!!! Can I have one with a cap???! Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp?.dir=/47+Bendix+Deluxe&.dnm=Pretty+little+maids+in+a+row.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp%3f.dir=/47%2bBendix%2bDeluxe%26.dnm=See%2bthe%2bwater%2blevel%2bline.jpg%26.src=ph
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Post# 19655-7/8/2002-11:16 ||| Frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: Buildup of lint in old dryers a fire hazard?
MESSAGE: Most Dryers even modern ones leak lint. The dryer bottom needs to be cleaned (vacuumed) at least once a year. Also all piping in the dryer and in the wall should be cleaned as well. I find lint will collect in elbows most often so all elbows should be checked amd cleaned. In the case of the "exploading" dryer Im sure if the dryer had not been cleaned in a couple of years there could have been a 1/2 inch of lint blanketing the dryer bottom. What must have happened is the wiring must have shorted out somewhere and started to arc causing a loud noise and many sparks, igniting the lint in the dryer bottom. My Kenmore dryer used to spill a large amount of lint to the dryer bottom compartment. You were lucky thats all I can say.
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Post# 19656-7/8/2002-11:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (& I thought the Kenmore beating was over the top)
MESSAGE: The moment I read it I thought you would be the one to "force" it on me, but since you are not on the list for the convention I guess I'm rather safe LOL.
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Post# 19657-7/8/2002-11:18 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Pic Of The Day
MESSAGE: Hello everyone!
I think that the machine in the POD is so nice. Appears to be very well made. What other machine names were under the AMC company? Does anyone have one of the machines in the POD, or one that is built near to it? It just seems like a monster the way it is constructed.
Would love to hear from you all that have played with one.
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 19658-7/8/2002-11:25 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Frigidare Dryer Fire Post
MESSAGE: Hello,
I stumbled on this from the internet of a post from a consumer with a newer Frigidare Dryer.
Scary!
When I was a kid, we had a Kenmore that the thermostat stuck while I was drying 2 pairs of sneakers. It was amazing how hot a dryer will get if all else fails. They were melted beyond belief. The dryer was toast. Good thing I was home. I did not know how in the world I would explain this to my mom. It was a rule that no shoes go into the dryer, and I did it while she was at the market. She never blamed me though.
Brent
LINK: http://www.complaints.com/complaintofthedayjuly12000.2.htm
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Post# 19659-7/8/2002-11:49 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Buildup of lint in old dryers a fire hazard?
MESSAGE: You're exactly right Ross!! Thats exactly what happened to our dryer. The electrical arc is what made the exploding noise and it caught the lint on fire, except the dryer HAD been cleaned less than a year ago. from what i could see though, there was still a large amount of lint build-up.
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Post# 19660-7/8/2002-12:09 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool dryer recall
MESSAGE: Looks like overheating is a problem...
-ph
LINK: http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml02/02192.html
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Post# 19661-7/8/2002-13:09 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidare Dryer Fire Post
MESSAGE: I have a WCI gas dryer that ran for a number of years without a problem. Now I have a Neptune gas dryer, and in the service manual it describes redundant thermostat systems that will shut the thing down if the temperature rises above a maximum acceptable level.
Don't know what other brand dryers use for redundant safety features.
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Post# 19662-7/8/2002-13:10 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (& I thought the Kenmore beating was over the top)
MESSAGE: Maybe I can get someone to slip that useful white powder into your luggage when you're not looking ;-)
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Post# 19663-7/8/2002-13:33 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool dryer recall
MESSAGE: It isn't overheating. There is a clip the hold the wires to the high limit stat that is either missing or broken. The wires fall on the heat box and melt causing a fire.
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Post# 19664-7/8/2002-13:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (luggage)
MESSAGE: Every holiday seasons there are warnings sent out in our country against people that want to put packages with white powder in your luggage. Now I finally understand what this is all about! ;-)
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Post# 19665-7/8/2002-14:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic Of The Day
MESSAGE: Hi Brent -
Those AMC POD machines were made by Blackstone. They also made washers for Hoover and later Hamilton models as well. I have never played with one of these, another member, Jetcone, has a very early Blackstone in his collection, but I don't know of any others. I would love to find one just to play with. I think Blackstone may have made washers for Easy in later years too, but I'm not sure.
Greg
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Post# 19666-7/8/2002-14:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic Of The Day (oops, got it all backwards!)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I should have pulled the manual before posting. The POD AMC brand machines were an Easy design, not Blackstone.
What threw me was the stainless steel tub - Blackstone made machines for Hamilton in later years with ss tubs.
Anyone know if there was a relationship between Easy and Blackstone in later years?
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Post# 19667-7/8/2002-14:47 ||| tucker (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (don't worry jason its just the cabinet =))
MESSAGE: takes alot more than a couple-a-wacks on the cab to kill one of those old girls.
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Post# 19668-7/8/2002-14:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (luggage)
MESSAGE: I can just hear Louis trying to explain things at customs in Amsterdam...
"Yes sir, that's my powder. It's just sodium tripolyphosphate, sir. It's for... it's for... it's for hydrating prawns! Yes, that's the ticket, it's for making shrimp and prawns fresher and more pleasingly plump! I just love my seafood!"
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Post# 19669-7/8/2002-14:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (tempting)
MESSAGE: I have the harvest gold 1972 LK that I could shoot, but I think Jason needs to come get her...
-ph
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Post# 19670-7/8/2002-16:26 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: How mean.
MESSAGE: Who is being mean to a Kenmore?
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Post# 19671-7/8/2002-16:52 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: sorry sorry sorry sorry
MESSAGE: Guys, im terribly sorry, but I dont want Uni to get mad. Can we move all of the Powder smuggling on the airplane to the sandbox??
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Post# 19672-7/8/2002-16:53 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Where did you get those PeterH770?
MESSAGE: Where did you get those Pulsators?!?! Those Pulsators are my dream Pulsators!!! Can I have on that has a cap? Please?!?!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp?.dir=/47+Bendix+Deluxe&.src=ph&.dnm=Pretty+little+maids+in+a+row.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst%3f%26.dir=/47%2bBendix%2bDeluxe%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19673-7/8/2002-16:56 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic Of The Day (oops, got it all backwards!)
MESSAGE: Greg, you know I thought at first it would have been a Beam machine as in the AMC Coronado's of old, but was surprised to see the different drive system! The s/s solid tub reminiscent of SQ's. Check out the monster turbo pump which chews up even pins and buttons! I love it.
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Post# 19674-7/8/2002-17:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry sorry sorry sorry
MESSAGE: I second that, and same goes for this foolishness about smashing things and whatever the *#@! that was.
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Post# 19675-7/8/2002-17:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Sunny (Yellow) Arizona - fun appliance sightings
MESSAGE: We saw two very nice Frigidaire ranges this weekend in Arizona...both in sunny yellow! One was a 30" Flair with the bottom cabinet, and the other was an RCD 62 range with a pull n clean oven, the first time I had ever seen this in person, and as a matter of fact, I think it was the first time I had seen a sunny yellow appliance in person. Both were in beautiful, like new condition. Even the young hispanic man minding the store knew about "Bewitched" and that Samantha had a similar range in this color.
We also visited a store that restores ranges and refrigerators. There were a couple of pink gas ranges, and many very nice gas ranges from the 30s through the 50s of all brands and styles. There were two beautifully restored early 50s Frigidaire refrigerators, and a Kelvinator Foodarama in the mint green color.
There was also an odd portable dishwasher, called a Montgomery Ward "Mini Maid". It was the narrow compact type that Sears offers but I think the wash chamber was smaller. Anyone know who made these? I don't think it was too old, since it said "Montgomery Ward" rather than "Signature".
Hope everyone had a great holiday weekend!
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Post# 19676-7/8/2002-17:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pic Of The Day (Velva-Power Transmission)
MESSAGE: Yup, that's an 1960's Easy made machine. The transmission was called a "Velva-Power" transmission and it was a direct drive unit with the motor on the left side, the tranny in the center and the pump mounted on the right side. I have never seen one of these machines in operation but Jetcone's Easy from the early 60's is of this style.
There use to be a ton of these Velva-Power Easy's on the farm.
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Post# 19677-7/8/2002-17:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (tempting)
MESSAGE: What's wrong with it? I'll come get it if you don't want it.
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Post# 19678-7/8/2002-17:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunny (Yellow) Arizona - fun appliance sightings
MESSAGE: Pictures??
You forgot about the sunny yellow WP dryer of mine - I think you used that when you were here a year ago. A Food-a-Rama in mint green, I'll bet that was beautiful.
A friend of mine has a Flair range in his garage at work that he's wanting me to pick up, don't have a clue what I'll do with it, probably strip it for parts. They are beautiful, but I just don't have the room for another range!
Was the Wards dishwasher a front loader? These have been around for years, D&M design that Sears sold as well. Frigidaire/Electrolux still makes these, they are terribly unreliable and rather high priced for the quality. My friend with the Flair had to buy one for a rental property and was furious at how much they cost.
LINK: http://www.frigidaire.com/products/dishwashers/built-in/18_inch/prod_FDR252RB.asp
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Post# 19679-7/8/2002-18:18 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sunny (Yellow) Arizona - fun appliance sightings
MESSAGE: Oh yes of course the RCA Whirlpool dryer. I really liked that! This Montgomery Ward d/w (frontloading) looked a bit different than those Sears ones, but that does not of course mean it wasn't the same manufacturer.
Yes, the Foodarama was beautiful! Although now that I've seen one up close, it's not *all* that much usable space for its gargantuan footprint, owing in large part, I suppose, to the mega-thick walls refrigerators had back then.
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Post# 19680-7/8/2002-18:29 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: How mean. (not me)
MESSAGE: I'm nice to my Kenmores.
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Post# 19681-7/8/2002-18:43 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Where do you get one?
MESSAGE: Where should I look for this Frigidaire 1-18?
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.src=ph&.dnm=Long+Spray+Rinse.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Frigidaire%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19682-7/8/2002-18:58 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Where do you get one? (Expen$ive!)
MESSAGE: Sorry, Pulsator, but you have to scour the estate sales in your area. Any General Motor's Frigidaire is extremely rare and difficult to find. Most of us who collect them, keep them. Not to mention, they have an astoundingly high collector value, and can run into the thousands of dollars!
Your best bet is to run into an estate sale, and find an unsuspecting seller to bargain for the lowest price. Never let them in on their true value either! Good luck.
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Post# 19683-7/8/2002-19:57 ||| Mallard (Bellingham, WA)
SUBJECT: 1950's Westinghouse Wall Oven Model OL-24-7; Styl Q56923
MESSAGE: We were lucky that the original late 1950's Westinghouse wall oven was still in the house we just bought. It worked fine --and then mysteriously stopped working until we fiddled with a few controls (and didn't note what we'd done). After a couple of months of working well, it has stopped working again. It is always possible that friends could have played with the controls. The left knob sets "hours cook" and the stop time; right knob has 4 possible positions -- but any identification has rubbed off. We've tried all sorts of combinations, but can't make it work. Does anyone know what the mysterious right knob positions mean -- or have an owner's manual?
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Post# 19684-7/8/2002-20:26 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Where do you get one? (any number of possibilities)
MESSAGE: Hang in there Pulsator.
There was a poppy red Frigidaire 1-18 set at the Ypsilanti (near Ann Arbor) Salvation Army store just about a year ago. Go to the Salvation Army/Council for the Blind type stores in your area. Isn't there also a major recycling store in Ann Arbor just off of I-94? Can't think of the name right now. They sell old appliances as well. Though I've never seen a GMFrigidaire there yet. But you never know. Call around to used appliance stores, tell them what you're looking for, and ask if you can leave your name and phone number should they come across one. Keep looking around. Make some phone calls. Eventually I bet you'll find some interesing machines. Good luck!
Ken
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Post# 19685-7/8/2002-20:56 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950's Westinghouse Wall Oven Model OL-24-7; Styl Q56923 (timer setting)
MESSAGE: Mallard, it sounds as if the timer is not set for "manual" baking...this was always a tricky feature for Frigidaire ranges too. I have a Frigidaire wall oven that was virtually brand new, but the owner said it hadn;t worked for years.and the timer was set to "off" vs "manual". Try pushing in on the knob marked "Stop" and see if it stays in that position. If not, advance it 24 hours, and re-try pushing it in. Good Luck!! SteveD
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Post# 19686-7/8/2002-21:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1950's Westinghouse Wall Oven Model OL-24-7; Styl Q56923 (timer setting)
MESSAGE: If fiddling with the controls doesn't work, you can always disconnect the clock completely. We had a Westinghouse wall oven in a house and finally had to disconnect the clock completely. The clock didn't work anyway, but the switches were worn and would start the oven at strange times even if not set for automatic cooking. If you aren't comfortable doing this, most appliance repair shops should be able to do it for you. Remember to turn off the power before attempting any repairs.
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Post# 19687-7/8/2002-22:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Where do you get one? (Hunting, hunting, hunting)
MESSAGE: If you find me a nice spin tub for a 1959 Custom Imperial washer (or any Frigidaire washer made between 1952 and 1962) you can have this 1-18! The washer in the picture is mine, however it now has a white cabinet. I guess if you find the tub I want, you'd probably have found the whole washer and want to keep it!
Anyway, as Ken said, you need to get out and hunt for these old beauties in thrift stores, appliance shops, recyclers, estate sales/auctions, etc. One thing that has always worked for me is getting on the Yahoo yellow pages and start calling all the appliance repair and sales stores all around your area and surrounding towns. Tell them what you are looking for and give them your name and number if they will take it and agree to call you if something comes in. You can also make up a flyer and do a mailing to these types of businesses as well. Remember to ask for not only the machines, but if they may have any "new old stock" parts for GM Frigidaire as well. All vintage machines need work of some kind eventually and it's helpful to have even a few parts on hand as none are made anymore.
Best of luck! Keep searching and your machine will turn up.
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Post# 19688-7/8/2002-22:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (& I thought the Kenmore beating was over the top)
MESSAGE: Luigi, Greg or Uni could bring you some STPP.
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Post# 19689-7/8/2002-23:42 ||| jetaction (Minnepolis)
SUBJECT: convention
MESSAGE: Being somewhat new at this, I think I have figured out most of the lingo, but am curious about the upcoming convention. What, where, and who... is involved. Any info would help-thanks.
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Post# 19690-7/8/2002-23:47 ||| jetaction (Minnepolis)
SUBJECT:
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Post# 19691-7/8/2002-00:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Structo washer on ebay
MESSAGE: This is the little toy washer we were talking about the other day. Structo also made a whole kitchen set for GE - small models of their appliances. This one is priced very high, but it looks like new....
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1747773759
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Post# 19692-7/8/2002-00:43 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (End of subject)
MESSAGE: I thought that post on the Structo washing machine was quite interesting. It even washes and spins!
The price might be a *little* over the top, though, but it still looked like a great collector's item.
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Post# 19693-7/8/2002-00:45 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Structo washer on ebay
MESSAGE: I noticed that it also had its origional box as well. This would make a nice nick/nack for an appliance buff! It's too bad I can't afford to bid on it though.
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Post# 19694-7/9/2002-08:59 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Where do you get one? (Multi- to Roller- wash tubs)
MESSAGE: Greg,
The WXN wash tub that I got from the farm wouldn't work in your '59, would it? I thought they'd be the same...
-ph
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Post# 19695-7/9/2002-09:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (free for the taking)
MESSAGE: Gas up the truck and come get it! It needs rear leveling legs, the Custom Care extra slow speed button doesn't remain engaged when pushed, and you have to kinda fiddle with the timer when starting it. You push the cycle button, turn the knob until it stops, and it acts like the stop is just micrometers off from making the correct contacts to start the machine. Cosmetically, it's in wonderful shape. Mecahnically, it's in great shape -- the transmission is fairly new, the pump is new, and there is no rust underneath.
-ph
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Post# 19696-7/9/2002-09:06 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940s frigidaire frig help (R134-a)
MESSAGE: Hi Geoff
Really? Is that the law in USA now? In Australia ALL new refrigerators made in this country use R-134a. Some imported ones use the hydrocarbon one. (What is its number?)
Chris.
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Post# 19697-7/9/2002-09:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Where did you get those PeterH770?
MESSAGE: Those came from 4 machines that went to the Krusher over the July 4th holiday. I had to clean out and make room for new finds that are on the way. Four 1-18's and 2 Rollermatics were stripped for parts and taken away. It's funny with the 1-18's -- if you find one that doesn't leak around the seal and runs good, chances are the outer tub is badly rusted and ready to leak. If you find one that has leaky seals and a bad mechanism, the tub is perfect! The 4 that went all had the bad tubs. The Rollermatics were in bad shape too, but I did get the Rapidry mechanism out of the one. That leaves two 1-18's left to be rebuilt.
The Jetcones in the pic are fairly beat up. Email me (PeterH770@aol.com) with your address.
-ph
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Post# 19698-7/9/2002-09:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Where do you get one? (Expen$ive!)
MESSAGE: Thousands? For a 1-18? Oh dear, I'm gonna be a millionaire!
-ph
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Post# 19699-7/9/2002-09:44 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940s frigidaire frig help (R134-a)
MESSAGE: I beileve its R-22. thats what hey us here for home air conditioning.
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Post# 19701-7/9/2002-10:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
Well, I got it home OK.
The bad news is it isn't "never used" as advertised. It has some signs of use, including lint in the holes at the top of the tub, and a hard film over the whole of the inner tub (basket), which may be soap residue?? A hard coating, looks almost like the tub has been varnished inside. Also the pulsator is broken, the bakelite bit (above the rubber) has very slight cracks and has come off the rubber bit. There is an aluminium tube inside the bakelite top, it had a threaded end which screwed into the nut holding down the rubber pulsator. The aluminium thread had broken off, with the threaded end still stuck in the nut. Suggestions???
The cabinet is in excellent condition, there is no outer cabinet, the outer drum is the cabinet. It looks like a 44 gallon drum (US 50 gallon?? )drum. There is a rubber strip around the base and the top, they are slightly loose and slightly cracked.
Apart from the top off the pulsator, it works fine.
It has very basic controls - just one switch to select pulsate/off/spin dry, plus an overload cut-out on the base. Not even a clockwork timer!
The transmission appears the same as the one on my parents much later one. It has a snubber at the base, two pressed steel arms going around the transmission to the tube above the transmission. The motor mounts on a pivot that attaches to the tube, the motor is held tight against the belt by two springs.
The transmission is compact, a pulley around the edge and a dome underneath with a protrusion on the side with a cap, and a balance weight on the other side. The motor/transmission assembly doesn't appear to be held in place by much, just the snubber underneath and the rubber boot above, and the motor springs. The pump is on the motor, below the pulley.
The control is at the top, on a flat panel behind the opening. It is labelled "Frigidaire" and "Pulsa-matic" in gold with a gold Frigidaire crest.
A couple of questions - how can I fix the pulsator? Should I drill out the aluminium thread stuck in the nut that holds down the rubber pulsator, and is a new aluminium tube/bolt available anywhere? If not, could I replace the al bolt/tube with a stainless steel bolt ? Or should I just glue the bakelite top part back on to the top of the rubber part? (it has a conical "washer" under the nut, with four projections, I could try sticking the top to them with silicone or glue).
Also, the motor seems to take a while to get up to speed on spin. Using an ammeter, I could see that the start winding stays on for about eight seconds, but the motor start capacitor is marked "rated for three seconds per start, 20 starts per hour". Does this sound normal, or could it be tight? Should the motor move in a bit (against its springs) when starting, to allow the belt to slip and the motor to get up to speed quickly? (it doesn't)
It's not bolt down, and it's not a Unimatic.
It came with a sales brochure, which I have scanned and will send to Uni. There was an instruction booklet which the seller has lost but says he will post me when/if it turns up.
Chris.
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Post# 19700-7/9/2002-10:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
Well, I got it home OK.
The bad news is it isn't "never used" as advertised. It has some signs of use, including lint in the holes at the top of the tub, and a hard film over the whole of the inner tub (basket), which may be soap residue?? A hard coating, looks almost like the tub has been varnished inside. Also the pulsator is broken, the bakelite bit (above the rubber) has very slight cracks and has come off the rubber bit. There is an aluminium tube inside the bakelite top, it had a threaded end which screwed into the nut holding down the rubber pulsator. The aluminium thread had broken off, with the threaded end still stuck in the nut. Suggestions???
The cabinet is in excellent condition, there is no outer cabinet, the outer drum is the cabinet. It looks like a 44 gallon drum (US 50 gallon?? )drum. There is a rubber strip around the base and the top, they are slightly loose and slightly cracked.
Apart from the top off the pulsator, it works fine.
It has very basic controls - just one switch to select pulsate/off/spin dry, plus an overload cut-out on the base. Not even a clockwork timer!
The transmission appears the same as the one on my parents much later one. It has a snubber at the base, two pressed steel arms going around the transmission to the tube above the transmission. The motor mounts on a pivot that attaches to the tube, the motor is held tight against the belt by two springs.
The transmission is compact, a pulley around the edge and a dome underneath with a protrusion on the side with a cap, and a balance weight on the other side. The motor/transmission assembly doesn't appear to be held in place by much, just the snubber underneath and the rubber boot above, and the motor springs. The pump is on the motor, below the pulley.
The control is at the top, on a flat panel behind the opening. It is labelled "Frigidaire" and "Pulsa-matic" in gold with a gold Frigidaire crest.
A couple of questions - how can I fix the pulsator? Should I drill out the aluminium thread stuck in the nut that holds down the rubber pulsator, and is a new aluminium tube/bolt available anywhere? If not, could I replace the al bolt/tube with a stainless steel bolt ? Or should I just glue the bakelite top part back on to the top of the rubber part? (it has a conical "washer" under the nut, with four projections, I could try sticking the top to them with silicone or glue).
Also, the motor seems to take a while to get up to speed on spin. Using an ammeter, I could see that the start winding stays on for about eight seconds, but the motor start capacitor is marked "rated for three seconds per start, 20 starts per hour". Does this sound normal, or could it be tight? Should the motor move in a bit (against its springs) when starting, to allow the belt to slip and the motor to get up to speed quickly? (it doesn't)
It's not bolt down, and it's not a Unimatic.
It came with a sales brochure, which I have scanned and will send to Uni. There was an instruction booklet which the seller has lost but says he will post me when/if it turns up.
Chris.
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Post# 19702-7/9/2002-11:04 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Blah Blah Blah.
MESSAGE: I am bored.
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Post# 19703-7/9/2002-11:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: Today I bought an AEG compact washer. It's a very small toploader, about the same size as my small Miele, but this is a fully automatic one. I think it was the smallest washer ever built to do a full European load. It's a Lavamat 220 and it spins with 650rpm. I attached a link to pictures of an exactly similar model. In the fourth picture there is a bike too so you can see how tiny it is. And it holds about 9 - 10 lbs. Spectacular about this model is that it doesn't have a suspension in the machine, but the four wheels that are under the washer have springs. When it starts spinning you can see the washer move forward and backward. Pretty neat isn't it? It's going to be delivered on Saturday, I bought it in a thrift store. They say it's working flawlessly. I can't wait to get it!
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.src=ph&.dnm=AEG+Lavamat+220-1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bwashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19704-7/9/2002-12:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (YAY!)
MESSAGE: I'll come the weekend of the 20th to pick her up. I just looked at the pics of her and she's a beaut!
YAY!!!!!!!!
So where do I get rear legs and how do I fix the knob so it will start correctly?
Thanks alot!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/vwp?.dir=/1972+Lady+Kenmore&.src=ph&.dnm=72LK.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/peterh770/lst%3f%26.dir=/1972%2bLady%2bKenmore%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19705-7/9/2002-12:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Easy Fix)
MESSAGE: Chris, this is just wonderful! OK first I have some questions...
Does the Bakelite Agitator Look like this:
http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/vwp?.dir=/The+Pulsamatic&.src=ph&.dnm=10+Now+Thats+an+Agitator.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/frigidaire1140/lst%3f%26.dir=/The%2bPulsamatic%26.src=ph%26.view=t
Next I'm assuming that the tranny only has one belt??? If this is correct that you truly do have a Pulsamatic!!! This would be the only other one known left in the world besides mine.
Is the wash tub (I think you guys call it the wash barrel) black with little white speckles or is it gray or something else?
Does it pulsate rapidly, at 630 pulses per minute? It should then spin a 630rpm if it truly is a Pulsamatic. 8 seconds in the start winding is just fine, that even seems too quick to me, three seconds would be way to fast and cause many unbalanced loads. The spin belt should never be allowed to slip in a Pulsamatic or Mutlimatic. The fact that is doesn't slip is a good sign.
No onto your pulsator screw problem. I have a brand new screw and lots of used pulsator hold-down nuts, as long as it wont be a problem with Australian customs I can send you them. But I will take a picture of the parts you need tonight and post them to be sure first.
Congrats again, this is one of the rarest finds this year. I can't wait to see what this machine looks like.
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Post# 19706-7/9/2002-13:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Blah Blah Blah.
MESSAGE: Jamie, while we are all sorry to hear that you are bored, please do not waste the club space with nonsense posts like these. The club posting board is meant for serious posts about vintage appliances. Thank you!
By the way, I'm thrilled you found us, back in 1975 when I was twelve years old I would have been in ecstatic to find others who are also interested in washing machines, it took another 20 years before I discovered there are other like me.
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Post# 19707-7/9/2002-13:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Exciting Time in Applianceville
MESSAGE: Well it looks like there are lots of exciting new machines about to be had today.
Congrats again Chris on your wonderful Pulsamatic
Congrats Louis on your new AEG Compact. That looks like a fun machine.
Congrats JasonL on your soon to have Lady Kenmore!
Did I miss anyone?
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Post# 19708-7/9/2002-14:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Blah Blah Blah. (no time to be bored)
MESSAGE: Have you gone to the library to research old Consumer Reports or find out what books they have on appliance repair?
Have you gone thru the phone book and located all used appliance stores, maybe calling them asking them to call you if a Frigidaire 1-18 or other classic washer comes in? Maybe even rode your bike to the stores to see what they have and to talk to the owners face-to-face?
Have you hopped on your bike and toured around neighborhoods to see if you can find old, discarded machines outside a house or garage?
Have you checked the daily newspaper to see what appliances are offered for sale, or checked for garage sales and estate sales?
Have you check local laundromats to see what machines they have?
The fun part about this hobby is actually doing it. Let us know when you've done something to put yourself closer to finding your dream machine.
-ph
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Post# 19709-7/9/2002-14:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville
MESSAGE: I'm hoping my '56 WI arrives this week...
And Greg finding the place in IA is a biggie...
-ph
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Post# 19710-7/9/2002-14:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, how could I forget about your new '56 Unimatic. And definately add Greg's find and my James Dishwasher to the list of important finds recently. Hopefully there will be even more to add to this list soon.
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Post# 19711-7/9/2002-14:18 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (cute machine)
MESSAGE: Is that ever a cute machine Louis, congrats! Of course I have a soft spot for AEG's. What year do you think it is?
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Post# 19712-7/9/2002-14:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (cute machine)
MESSAGE: Considering its brown panel and the spinspeed I guess it's from the eighties, It's not in the 1988 brochure anymore, but I don't have the previous brochures so I can't really say what year it really is. So not a real classic, but still a real fun one.
Some details: the white strip in front of the opening (just above the drum) is the soap dispenser and the small hole on the right is the softener dispenser. Height is 65cm, depth is 56cm and width is 39.5cm. I guess Hyancinth would call it bijou. Both inner and outer drum are stainless steel and it's a real water guzzler, it uses 140 litres (about 36 gallons) for a load but that is probably including prewash.
Louis
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Post# 19713-7/9/2002-17:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Can you believe it?)
MESSAGE: I'm getting one of my dream machines. In fact, I'm getting the ultimate Kenmore! So when I get this baby, does anyone have a RotoSwirl agitator they want to part with? The machine has a Vari-Flex in it right now.
Woohoo!!!!
Soon, I will hear the beautiful Kenmore whine again.
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Post# 19714-7/9/2002-17:57 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: I can go!
MESSAGE: Hi it is Jamie Jeffery again. My mom said that I can come to the Convention! Me and my mom will be there on the 15th or 16th of Aug. I can't believe it, I can come! What time do we need to be at the warehouse? What is the addres of the warehouse? What will we be doing? Well please answer! Bye!
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Post# 19715-7/9/2002-18:55 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: How much?
MESSAGE: How much would it be to get Frigidaire to make a new '79 1-18?
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Post# 19716-7/9/2002-18:56 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: I can go!
MESSAGE: Jamie, I think it is just great that you and your mom can go to the convention. If you go under Archives and look up posting nos. 18662 and 13664, they will give you some more information. They will tell you what is going on what days, and so forth.
I believe most of us are staying at the Holiday Inn College Park, which to my understanding is close by the museum.
Read those posts and speak to your mom, and let us know what else we can help with!
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Post# 19717-7/9/2002-18:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How much?
MESSAGE: unfortunately Jamie, Frigidaire is no longer owned by the same company it was when these machines were manufactured, which is why they are no longer manufactured to begin with. It's too bad no other manufacturer ever picked up the design and revived it (at least thus far). So, the best thing to do is keep searching in the ways people have suggested before.
These machines were made in Ohio, and you live in Michigan, the home of Frigidaire's then-owner, General Motors, so I'm thinking there's got to be some machines in your area! Good luck!
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Post# 19718-7/9/2002-19:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Easy Fix)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, as promised here is a picture of the two parts I believe you need...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/PulsamaticParts.jpg
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Post# 19719-7/9/2002-19:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville
MESSAGE: Yes indeed, it's truely an exciting time. Hmmm, is an Apex around the corner? Is another Unimatic around the corner??? Maybe my WCI58
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Post# 19720-7/9/2002-19:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Can you believe it?)
MESSAGE: Jason, yes, find a Roto-swirl agitator to play with. But don't compromise the original integrity of the features of this washer.
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Post# 19721-7/9/2002-20:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Can you believe it?)
MESSAGE: I definitely want the VariFlex because that's original to the machine, but I'd also like to find a rotoswirl to compare it to
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Post# 19722-7/9/2002-21:36 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (Hey Louis!)
MESSAGE: I think that is such a nice looking machine. Can't wait for you to tell us about it.
What year would you say it is?
Brent
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Post# 19723-7/9/2002-21:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, what a Royal addition to your collection! It is reaching the point where we may need to hold a convention in Gronigen one of these years. ;-) Enjoy!
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Post# 19724-7/9/2002-23:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Woohoo!!)
MESSAGE: This sounds absolutely incredible! These semi-automatic wshers probably are not too terribly rare for the Austrailian market, but it will be especially thrilling for us to see as there was never anything like that made by Frigidaire here.
Only a few manufacturers had semi-auto washers, Thor, Bendix, Norge are some, but the wringer or conventional washers were far more popular for the economy purchase.
Can't wait to see the brochure and some real pictures soon! Congrats on a terrific find!
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Post# 19725-7/9/2002-23:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: Cool machine - and it is so tiny to use that much water! How many rinses does it have - any spins between them?
Have fun with your new toy - do you have that spare room about full now?
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Post# 19726-7/9/2002-23:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Can you believe it?)
MESSAGE: Congrats on the Kenmore - your prize of the summer!
You should be able to find a Roto-Swirl pretty easily - check with your local used appliance shops, they may have some agitators lying about, or you could take one from a machine they are sending to the krusher, that's how I got my Vari-Flex. Keep your eyes open for a Roto-Flex and a WP surgilator, they are all slightly different washing actions and fun to play with.
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Post# 19727-7/9/2002-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Where do you get one? (Multi- to Roller- wash tubs)
MESSAGE: The larger 12lb tub didn't come around until 1963, the 59 still has the 9lb tub size (smaller diameter) so the hunt is even harder!
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Post# 19728-7/9/2002-01:04 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire
MESSAGE: That sounds very exciting.
Did he have any other good stuff?
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Post# 19729-7/9/2002-01:08 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: That is so cute!
I love AEGS!
Congratulations on a wonderful find.
If only I could walk into a thrift shop and find an AEG!
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Post# 19730-7/9/2002-01:13 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Home Appliance Shooting (YAY!)
MESSAGE: And I cant wait to watch the video!
Gotta love that vary flex agitator
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Post# 19731-7/9/2002-01:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Easy Fix)
MESSAGE: On top of my favourite Speed Queen!!
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Post# 19732-7/9/2002-01:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: I think like most other washers from that time it has 5 rinses, probably a spin between the last few rinses. I will report about this later. Like the small Miele I have the water will fill almost up to the axis of the drum and when you have five of them you easily get a high water usage.
No, there is not an appliance yet in the spare room, but I guess I will have to move a rotary ironer there to get some space for this washer.
Louis
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Post# 19733-7/10/2002-03:25 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Easy Fix)
MESSAGE: He did that just for you and me Louis!
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Post# 19734-7/10/2002-03:40 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (cute machine)
MESSAGE: Isn't it amazing that AEG has cut water consumption by 100 litres from 140 to a mere 42 per washload? Almost unbelievable. But look how long it took to get spin speeds up past 1100.
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Post# 19735-7/10/2002-03:53 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Thor)
MESSAGE: I wish my grandparents had kept their Thor semi-automatic. My father remembers it well for shaking the house during the spin dry. I can't wait for Chris' pictures either, what a find!
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Post# 19736-7/10/2002-03:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (cute machine)
MESSAGE: The TOL models at that time (frontloaders) were already more modern than this cute little thing. They did a load with 80 litres including prewash and topspinspeed was 1200 rpm. Those small ones never were improved, only a newer one had a spinspeed of 850rpm. Later AEG came out with a new line of compact washers, but they were really bigger than the old compact ones. These newer models are 45cm wide instead of 39.5 and more than 60cm deep. Actually they are almost the same machines as the regular AEG toploaders, just less high. The modern compact machines also have a normal suspension, so there is less drama to see when they go into spin.
Louis
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Post# 19737-7/10/2002-03:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Easy Fix)
MESSAGE: I still love the Speed Queen abbreviated cycle, still one of my favourites! ;-)
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Post# 19738-7/10/2002-05:49 ||| mooney6au (Sydney, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (a case of international cooperation)
MESSAGE: Chris,
Fancy finding such a rare machine. It will give all of us a great thrill to see the pics and follow the progress of your repairs to get it operating. Isn't it fantastic that Uni is able to come to the rescue with parts.
Greg
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Post# 19739-7/10/2002-07:05 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Vintage Aus....)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris
Congratulations on you classic Frigidaire find, the international collections seem to be gaining speed at the moment...looking forward to seeing the pics, will it be able to work on your electric supply?????
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 19740-7/10/2002-07:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
What!!! another find, me thinks you should have kept the apartment downstairs for you "Showroom Collection"...
I remember seeing the Siemens version of this machine in the Head Office in Germany years ago...Looking forward to the washing in action pics...
Mike
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Post# 19741-7/10/2002-07:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (There`s More....!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi All
Managed to get hold of a Parnall Tumble Dryer, made in the 1950`s cream enamel cabinet, electric heater 3 temps with lint bo on top...works a treat.....heater elements around the front of the drum whilst the fan is at the back, draws the air through the clothes and pushes it out at the top back...
All I need now is the Parnall Semi-Automatic Spin-Wash to match it!!!!
Happy Hunting
Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/vwp?.dir=/Laundry&.src=ph&.dnm=The+PARNALL+LoGo.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/lst%3f%26.dir=/Laundry%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19742-7/10/2002-07:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (There`s More....!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Mike, what a beauty!!! I guess it's a british dryer? Is the matching washer an automatic toploader? Having a matching pair of those would be really great!
Louis
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Post# 19743-7/10/2002-07:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Parnall Dryer)
MESSAGE: What a cute dryer Mike! The lint filter/vent on top is very cool - so very 50's. Is there a way it can be vented outside? My 54 Speed Queen dryer could be vented inside or converted for outside venting - it's gas though, I have it vented outside now. Was the matching washer a twin-tub?
You have quite a sharp collection going now - keep up the good work. Have your machines needed much work when you found them?
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Post# 19744-7/10/2002-08:34 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Can you believe it?)
MESSAGE: I *miss* my super surgilator!
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Post# 19745-7/10/2002-10:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: classic Cissell OPL dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: This would be a fun-to-have...
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2037376925
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Post# 19746-7/10/2002-15:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Easy Fix)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, if you'll forgive our curiosity, what is it about this particular cycle has made you come to like it? :)
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Post# 19747-7/10/2002-16:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (There`s More....!!!!!)
MESSAGE: I was admiring your new pictures Mikey in the UK appliance forum the other day. How great! I'll talk to you soon.
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Post# 19748-7/10/2002-16:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: classic Cissell OPL dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Those are fun Peter! I like the emblem on the door window. They had those in coppertone at the Gold Eagle laundromat chain here, which featured Frigidaire washers (and some Wascomat f/ls too!) Never really knew why they were coppertone though since the washers were turquoise; maybe to match the paneling, LOL.
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Post# 19749-7/10/2002-16:57 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (SpinWasher)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
The Parnall brand is indeed British, the brand name was revived recently by Comet a few years ago on their own badge laundry goods...
The washing machine is a semi-automatic model, looks like my Hotpoint top loader but has the features of the Thor Automagic,this was produced at about the same time as the dryer.....see the link for its features,
Here`s looking
Mike
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/vwp?.dir=/Laundry&.dnm=Parnall+SpinWasher+P1.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/chestermikeuk/vwp%3f.dir=/Laundry%26.dnm=Parnall%2bSpinWasher%2bP2.jpg%26.src=ph
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Post# 19750-7/10/2002-17:05 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Parnall Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
The vent is only on the top, not sure if you could get an adaptor & hose to make it vent outside...not sure if they did make a twinny, must ask that on the emporium....the Parnall SpinWasher I`m looking for is semi-automatic like my Hotpoint but with features like the Thor Automagic...see previous message to Louis for link...
The collection is getting bigger, nowhere near your showroom, luckily the machines have been in really good nick, the Servis model M wringer washer needs the most work mainly cosmetics at the moment...
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Post# 19751-7/10/2002-17:08 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: classic Cissell OPL dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Hi Peter
Is this a commercial dryer??? never heard it mentioned before, looks rather cute!!!
I see you collection is expanding as well....great!!!
Mike
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Post# 19752-7/10/2002-17:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: POD Crosley Rollamatic
MESSAGE: Is this machine the same thing as a Bendix Economat?
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Post# 19753-7/10/2002-17:14 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (There`s More....!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott
Glad you like the latest toys....there`s no way that car is ever gonna get anywhere near that garage now...LOL
I got the dryer from just a block away from my Hoover Twinny that you used, goes to show we dont know whats lurking in those basements & sheds!!!...SpinWasher, Keymatic, Servis Toploader perhaps!!!
Glad to hear you enjoyed Arizona, will speak later this week for a catchup...
Mike
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Post# 19754-7/10/2002-17:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: classic Cissell OPL dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: This would make a great "garage" dryer, I'd love to have a dryer this big out there!
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Post# 19755-7/10/2002-17:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (Parnall Dryer)
MESSAGE: This looks like a cool agitator washer too - and an overflow rinse, can't beat that!
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Post# 19756-7/10/2002-17:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Crosley Rollamatic
MESSAGE: Sure is - 1954
I still want the Crosley front loading washer and dryer. I have the dryer door, which will not fit on the Bendix I just restored, so I still have just the square Crosley candy dish!
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Post# 19757-7/10/2002-21:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (abbreviated cycle?)
MESSAGE: Luigi, what do you mean by abbreviated cycle of the SQ?
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Post# 19758-7/10/2002-21:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (There`s More....!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Mikey, what a beaute of a dryer. Between this & Uni's James dishwasher, I'm drooling over the finds. Congrats. And enjoy!!!!!
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Post# 19759-7/11/2002-04:57 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Interesting Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: This '58 Filtrator sure looks great in the picture!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2038333205
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Post# 19760-7/11/2002-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (There`s More....!!!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow Mike, very fun vintage dryer you have there. Where did you find it? Great pictures of your vintage Servis too!
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Post# 19761-7/11/2002-09:12 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (some answers)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
Thanks for your kind offer. I may not need to take you up on it, but thanks, I'll bear it in mind if I get stuck.
The bakelite agitator you showed is a match. Yours is in better nick than mine - mine has some very small cracks around the lowest flange, and a small nick out of the top flange which I have just repaired with "Knead-It" polymer repair compound. A magic product. It will need painting to match - I will seek advice, probably a 2-pack epoxy paint will be strong enough.(?) Mine has a different lower bit (the rubber part), yours appears round and black, mine is grey and seven-sided.
It has only one drive belt, so I guess that makes it a Pulsamatic transmission. I would bet that there are a few of them still in action here in Aus, mad old ladies over here are good at keeping old washers going!! More likely to be 1960's automatics, though.
The wash tub is dark blue/grey with white speckles. Not many speckles, the overall effect is quite dark.
I'm not too sure about pulsation speed, but it appears very fast, 600 ppm would be believable. A confusing factor is the different supply voltage/frequency here, which gives different motor synchronous speeds. As we have 50 Hz supply, the motor will turn slower than the US 60 Hz equivalent. It would be very easy to remedy this by changing pulley diameter to compensate, but I suspect that it wasn't done in this case. The drive belt still shows "Frigidaire USA" or someting similar, so if the drive belt is a USA one I would guess it fits the same pulley as the USA one, so it has not been re-engineered to maintain same pulse and spin speeds. So it possibly spins at around 500-550 rpm. If my logic holds up. If it had a bigger pulley for Aus spec motor, then it would require a larger diameter drive belt, so it wouldn't be marked with a USA origin. (unless Frigidaire USA made an export spec belt...)
and back to the pulsator nut... is the nut one piece with the top hex-head and the lower cone all one piece? Or is it a nut holding down a conical washer? From looking at mine and your pics, it looks like the hex nut is seperate??? Of your two pics, the right side one is a match. The shorter one, you labelled it the later version. If you could post an "exploded diagram" of the assembly, it would be a big help.
How hard should it be to undo the nut? I have put some muscle into it but I would hate to break the thread off!! Should I heat up the nut with a small blowtorch to help it release? I assume it is right hand thread. I could easily drill out the broken stump of thread and avoid removing the nut altogether, if you think that is a good idea. The thread is aluminium so it is quite weak and should be easy to get out without damaging the nut. (unless the nut is also aluminium...)
The bolt on mine is quite different. Yours shows a long bolt that goes the length of the pulsator into the nut. Mine has a length of aluminium rod, about 1/2 inch diameter by 3 3/4 inch long. It had a finer threaded end which went into the nut, that is the broken off bit which is still in the nut. The aluminium tube has a female thread on the other end, a short screw holds the pulsator down to it. So the pulsator attaches to the top of the aluminium rod, not directly to the nut. I still have the al rod, and could easily drill and tap it to take a short bit of stainless steel all-thread to repair it. Then I can get a new short screw for the top end and it's fixed. Sound OK to you?
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Post# 19762-7/11/2002-09:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Sure does... But $300 for a conversation piece?!?!
-ph
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Post# 19763-7/11/2002-09:22 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: Hi Louis.
That'a a great find.
I saw a very similar AEG some years ago on a roadside rubbish collection. It had had a fire inside, looked like the timer had burnt up. I left it behind but it impressed me. It had no suspension so it must look a bit hysterical when spinning if a bit off-balance! It was the first top loading tumble washer I ever saw. The one I saw had no brown, it was a long time ago but I think it was all white, or white and silver. (?)
Congratulations!
Chris.
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Post# 19764-7/11/2002-09:33 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh.
No, i'm afraid not.
I went there as keen to see his "collection" as I was to see the Frigidaire, but it turned out it was his only washing machine, apart from a Hitachi which he uses. He had a heap of other stuff, a couple of very old Hoover vacs (bronze colour base with brown bakelite motor cover)and a couple of Kirby Heritage vacs. (not old, just old-looking). Also quite a lot of army surplus stuff - a couple of gyroscopes from aeroplanes, a stack of old two-way radios that looked ex-taxi, lots of technical looking stuff, much dismantled or in poor condition. No obvious "theme" to his "collection". He was a nice old chap, clearing out some stuff before moving house.
Chris.
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Post# 19765-7/11/2002-09:38 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (a case of international cooperation)
MESSAGE: Yes, Uni is an international treasure.
I may be able to fix it myself this time, but it's great to know Uni has the parts if I need them, and the advice to guide me through it.
Three cheers for Uni...
Chris.
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Post# 19766-7/11/2002-09:47 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (Vintage Aus....)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
Thanks for posting the Parnall Spin-wash stuff. It was great fun.
About the power supply - I assume you mean the solar? Yes, it was touch-and-go, I tested the machine first on a 2.2kVA petrol generator before plugging it in to the house. Then I phoned the inverter manufacturer to ask if it should be OK - their advice - plug it in and see. The inverter is overload-protected, its just cuts out if it overloads. Tthe Frigidaire starts easily on wash, it slowly winds up to speed on spin. The inverter grunts like it's going to burst a blood vessel, but it gets there. The inverter is max 1500w continuous, but can do 3600w for about thirty seconds. God only knows how the batteries think about it! I haven't tried the washer on hte inveter with a wash load yet, htat will be a real test! This washer is a collectors piece to me, it won't get a great deal of use. Unfortunately most (all?) vintage washers use nasty-to-start motors. One day the F&P Gentle Annie will be vintage... the inverter just loves it.
Chris.
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Post# 19767-7/11/2002-09:57 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: VERY old Miele washing machine on Ebay
MESSAGE: Hey all
This has really interested me. It's an antique Miele washer (about 1920-1950)
Jonny
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2118696949
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Post# 19768-7/11/2002-10:26 ||| surgilator (North Hykeham, UK)
SUBJECT: AEG Princess Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Hey Louis,
Do you know what date this beauty is from?
Jon
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1365824575
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Post# 19769-7/11/2002-11:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Exciting Time in Applianceville (SpinWasher)
MESSAGE: Thank you Mike for these pictures. That sure is a special washer. Looks like really fun to play with!
Louis
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Post# 19770-7/11/2002-11:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (abbreviated cycle?)
MESSAGE: Bob, that Speed Queen has a normal cycle and a short one, which gives you a show of a whole cycle in a short time.
Louis
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Post# 19771-7/11/2002-11:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: Chris,
There was a white on white model produced in the late eighties, a 240. There was also an older model with only two controls, the 664. It had a silver control panel in a brown frame.
Louis
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Post# 19772-7/11/2002-11:12 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: VERY old Miele washing machine on Ebay
MESSAGE: It's da bomb!
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Post# 19773-7/11/2002-11:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Princess Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Jon,
It sure is older than fifteen years! I'm not sure, I don't have any brochures that old and nobody in my family had an AEG. I think it's an early 70's model.
Louis
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Post# 19774-7/11/2002-13:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (some answers)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
I’ll try and answer your questions…
2-pack epoxy paint will be strong enough
Probably it will be, but you might have to repaint it every few years or so.
Mine has a different lower bit (the rubber part), yours appears round and black, mine is gray and seven-sided.
So were on the same page, lets use the same terminology. The bottom rubber part is called the “pulsator”, the black Bakelite part is called the “agitator column”. In 1956 they changed the pulsator from black to gray. Yours really is round too, they just get distorted with age, most of my pulsators are either new or in near new condition. Even though yours is now seven sided, it will work just fine.
the pulsator nut... is the nut one piece with the top hex-head and the lower cone all one piece?
All one piece
If you could post an "exploded diagram"
I’ll look for one and scan it.
How hard should it be to undo the nut?
Very, if you were able to do it with just a wrench and your hand I would say you were Clark Kent. Don’t use a torch on that nut because you might end up burning the rubber on the pulsator which would discolor it. What you need to do is fill the tub with very hot water (140F to 160F). Let it sit and heat up for five minutes, then spin the hot water out of the tub. Quickly before it cools get a wrench and hammer, place the wrench on the nut and gently hit the end of the wrench so it turns the nut counter-clockwise. BE CAREFUL NOT TO MISS THE WRENCH WITH THE HAMMER, the hammer could accidentally hit the tub and take a chip out of the porcelain. CHIP THE TUB! :(
I could easily drill out the broken stump of thread and avoid removing the nut altogether, if you think that is a good idea. The thread is aluminum so it is quite weak and should be easy to get out without damaging the nut. (unless the nut is also aluminum...)
Personally I would try and get the nut off and to the workbench before I started drilling it out. By the way, is there any bit of the old threaded part sticking up out of the pulsator hold down nut? If there is you might be able to heat the nut and take a vice-grip pliers (locking pliers) and lock the pliers down tight on the bit that’s left sticking out and turn it counterclockwise.
The bolt on mine is quite different. Yours shows a long bolt that goes the length of the pulsator into the nut. Mine has a length of aluminium rod, about 1/2 inch diameter by 3 3/4 inch long. It had a finer threaded end which went into the nut, that is the broken off bit which is still in the nut. The aluminium tube has a female thread on the other end, a short screw holds the pulsator down to it. So the pulsator attaches to the top of the aluminium rod, not directly to the nut. I still have the al rod, and could easily drill and tap it to take a short bit of stainless steel all-thread to repair it. Then I can get a new short screw for the top end and it's fixed. Sound OK to you?
Sure give it a try Chris, I can always send you the necessary parts if it doesn’t work.
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Post# 19775-7/11/2002-14:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Terrific - Trumbull is all of 5 minutes away from me. But if the bidding is already going to open at $300, I cannot imagine where it will close. How did I miss this at tag and estate sales? My guess is that this is one of those things that the owner knew was a find and probably wouldn't sell it at an estate sale........
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Post# 19776-7/11/2002-14:32 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (AEG Compact )
MESSAGE: Hi friends; an old lady, a friend of my grandmother, had an AEG washer like this but it was very old infact she bought in the late '60es and the washer was AEG novamat with 2 controls dial one for the wash time and it had letter A to F (A is prewash ... F is spin dry) and the other was a dial with number 0 to 4 (0 Off 1 On the other I don't know) It was a great washer and when I was little I was very happy if I can see it.
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Post# 19777-7/11/2002-14:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Well, things seem to be looking better at the estate sales these days. Today I found a Kenmore mangle - but I couldn't open it up to look at it since there was so much stuff in front of it. More importantly though was the Westinghouse "Laundromat 25" sitting in the corner. Has anyone ever seen this one before? 25 inches wide (obviously), straight front with drop down door and no console - only a single dial control in the middle of the top of the cabinet. Again couldn't find a model number since there was so much stuff around it - don't even know if it works or not. But I can date it - the original use and care book was inside the machine and the owner wrote "installed 6/21/55" across the front. Looks to be in good shape. The cabinet is somewhat yellowed with age and there are some small rust spots on the front cabinet. The boot around the door seems stiff and brittle though. They are asking $25. for it. What to do, what to do..........................
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Post# 19778-7/11/2002-15:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale (Go Get It!)
MESSAGE: Now.
This is a wonderful find, you definitely should have this one.
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Post# 19779-7/11/2002-15:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Angus,
Go for both! $325 for 2 vintage machines is fantastic!
-ph
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Post# 19780-7/11/2002-15:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: looks like the Appliance Angels are looking out for us. We're finding goodies left and right.
PeterH, when do you want me to pick up the Kenmore? I can go next weekend if you'd like. Do you have the part number for those leveling legs?
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Post# 19781-7/11/2002-16:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: WOW, Anthony that is Westinghouses' very first non-slant front washer. It is a very rare machine as it was only made for a year or two. I would definately pick that up as its another very important find this month!
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Post# 19782-7/11/2002-16:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (AEG Novamat)
MESSAGE: I found some pictures of a Novamat, was it this one? The 1 to 4 settings were for the cycles, cotton, permanent press, delicate and perhaps woolens? I guess the temperatures were integrated in the timer?
Louis
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/More+washers&.src=ph&.dnm=AEG+Novamat+64N-1.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/More%2bwashers%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19783-7/11/2002-16:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: For $25.- you should buy it, if only for the use and care book. You will get a washer to go with it! You can try to get the cabinet white again, I did that with my old Miele and it turned out right. Go for it!
Louis
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Post# 19784-7/11/2002-16:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (AEG Novamat)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, to your knowledge do the terms "Novamat" and "Lavamat" have a meaning of some sort?
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Post# 19785-7/11/2002-16:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (AEG Novamat)
MESSAGE: Well Your Majesty,
The explanation is that Lava comes from lavare (or so, latin or italian) which means to wash and mat is from automatic. So Lavamat is automatich washer. Nova means new so Novamat means new washer.
QLOTOC
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Post# 19786-7/11/2002-17:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (AEG Novamat)
MESSAGE: Thank you, Your Majesty! I have always wondered about that. You had explained some other terms to me once before, so we were just betting you would know.
QEOM
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Post# 19787-7/11/2002-18:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Peter, actually what makes this even more inviting is that the washer was only $25 and the mangle $45. So for only $70 I have some exciting stuff. And now I can iron my tablecloths, napkins and placemats effortlessly. That use and care book for the washer is priceless and quite a read!!!. I don't think they will let me try the washer there - I will probably have to get it home first. Still even has the original water inlet and drain hoses.
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Post# 19788-7/11/2002-21:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: Ever notice on some washers when it goes into spin, the tub begins to swing wildly and then centers up and balances. You can see this on any washer that has a fast take off like solid tub Frigidaires and even Kenmores. This happens right after takeoff. I guess this is the point where the tub becomes a gyroscope and steadies itself in the center for the last part of acceleration. I wonder if there's some kind of physics behind that.
My 1977 Lady Kenmore portable will demonstrate...
right click... save as...
LINK: http://216.88.255.195/jasonl/77lady-05-final-spin.wmv
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Post# 19789-7/11/2002-21:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Robert, I know that this is really MY dream, but I'd always hoped that you'd locate another DCI58 dryer to replace the one you either caused to catch fire or lost it to one of our northeast members which same said dryer was burned. Anyway, a matched turq set of the most incredible washer & dryer on the face of the earth!!!!! GO for it Uni!!!
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Post# 19790-7/11/2002-21:38 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers (Spin!)
MESSAGE: Real cool Jason - I needed to watch a good Spin!!
Thanks
Peter
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Post# 19791-7/11/2002-21:46 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: Wonderful video! The wig-wag shift into spin came through perfectly.
The F&P has the same gyroscope effect. Maybe I have a clip that illustrates it well-enough to post, will check.
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Post# 19792-7/11/2002-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: My friend Roger in Arizona has one of those "Spin-X" style spin dryers, and when you start it up it kind of does a little "hula hoop" dance then it smoothes right out the faster it gets (2800 rpm in this case). That thing is fantastic! Spin a load of towels in there after the Maytag A806 (in this case) and they are dry in the dryer in 20 minutes! We put some sheets in there and you almost could have put them right back on the bed right out of the spinner! 5-7 minutes in the dryer smoothes and softens them up, and you're all set to go! The dryer takes less time than the washer now!
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Post# 19793-7/11/2002-22:10 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: Not only that the basket balances out during the spin cycle, but listen to the water sprays against the metal tub! It has that beautiful ring that is lacked from the plastic outer tub!
Listen very closely at the beginning of the spin cycle!
Oh how that brings back some good ole memory!
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Post# 19794-7/11/2002-22:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: Actually, that's the 77 portable. It doesn't quite sound the same as an early Kenmore. If I get that 72 Lady K, you'll hear the difference. I do remember well the sound of the spray and the shift into spin, and it's 10x better on the older machines.
And yes, the shift into spin does bring back childhood memories.
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Post# 19795-7/11/2002-22:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: The Sony cameras have great sensitive mics. My camera can reproduce washer sounds almost perfectly. YOu can hear the deep rumble from within a Rollermatic Frigidaire, the water splashing, and of course, the beautiful song of the wigwag.
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Post# 19796-7/11/2002-22:48 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: Ah yes, I remember doing a heavy load of towels or the family whites in my moms portable Kenmore and it took almost 20-30 seconds for it to get to top speed and to almost a full minuet for the water to pump out during the rinse, but when Downey fabric softener was used, it caused the machine to go into a water lock before completely pumping out and that water ring (sound) would last for close to a minuet or more!
But what I enjoyed the most, is watching the water drain and constantly spitting/peeing all the way to the end of the spin cycle!
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Post# 19797-7/11/2002-22:52 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: What do you suppose the Downy did to the machine, to affect it?
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Post# 19798-7/11/2002-22:59 ||| DADoES (El Campo, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: I washed a medium load of towels/socks a couple days ago, didn't get a chance to dry it until 24 hrs later. I didn't notice exactly how long it took, but was pretty quick. I put the load in to dry, then started some sheets washing a few mins later, went to do some other chores. Came back later and the washer was in the final spin and the dryer had already stopped!
I can dry a set of sheets in between 10 and 15 mins, but the cycle takes a little longer by time the cool-down runs out.
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Post# 19799-7/11/2002-23:04 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: It cause the fabric to retain more water for some reason, even though the Kenmore drained for 4 minuets then uses four sprays during the 6 minuet spin cycle. Or it maybe it was cause by the narrow diameter of the drain hose. But this always happened when doing an all cotton load!
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Post# 19800-7/11/2002-23:54 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony
Do you recall if the Westinghouse control dial was black and gold? Our neighbors had that machine when I was a kid. Our Laundromat had the same control dial, but ours was a slant front, very similar to Uni's Westy twins. Our machine was either a 55 or 56. I would think that is a pretty rare machine...for $25 you can't go wrong. Good Luck.
Rich
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Post# 19801-7/11/2002-00:03 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers (kenmore spin)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that clip, Jason. It was fun to watch a Kenmore spin that fast. That's a cool little washer.
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Post# 19802-7/12/2002-05:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: You know Rich, I couldn't get a good look at the control dial. Not only was there tons of stuff around the washer but also on top of it. In fact the only reason I noticed the position of the control dial is because I saw the illistration in the use and care book. I will be going back for it today and of course the mangle too.
I hope no one else has figured out that these two items are treasures but judging from the crowd that goes to estate sales in my area, I doubt it. They are mostly older folks and housewives who are looking for valuable "bric-a-brac" whatever that is. And the sad thing is that they all know each other.....
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Post# 19803-7/12/2002-07:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD :-)
MESSAGE: What an awesome POD. I can almost hear that machine whirring away in the laundry room.
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Post# 19804-7/12/2002-08:40 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Round Frigidaire (some answers)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni.
Thanks for your answers.
I drilled out the stump of the thread tonight. I had tried removing the stump with locking pliers, but being aluminium it had no strength and broke off again. It drilled out easily and I was able to clean out the last traces by winding a thread tap into it. I also drilled out the aluminium rod and tapped it, and used a brass bolt which I cut the head off to make a length of thread. I wound the thread into the nut, placed on a rubber washer (to keep water out) and tightened on the aluminium tube. Then I put the agitator column on and fixed it in place with a new screw. I have also painted the repair on the agitator column, it still needs its little cracks fixed which I will do on the weekend. It pulsates beautifully now.
Thanks for setting me straight on the correct terms, pulsator and agitator column.
Is there reinforcing in the pulsator? It's funny how it has worn into a neat seven sided shape. Not so much worn, more curled down. If I lift up the flats it looks round again. Another sign that my machine has had at least some use, despite the seller claiming it was never used.
Thanks again, Robert.
Chris.
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Post# 19805-7/12/2002-08:42 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (AEG Novamat)
MESSAGE: Interesting these photos of Novamat 64N but that washer was older than this. I remember that was white with a green lid, the drum is like ethis of Novamat 64 and you are right, the 1 to 4 settings was for the cycles
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Post# 19806-7/12/2002-09:01 ||| fanfare (Idaho)
SUBJECT: RE: POD :-)
MESSAGE: One can also almost hear the "buzz" "click" "snap" "shhhhhh" of the wig-wag shifting to spin.
I'm not sure if I really believe that Jane Wyatt did her own laundry, though. Unless she was working on a series called "Lady Kenmore Knows Best."
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Post# 19807-7/12/2002-09:01 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact
MESSAGE: Hi Louis.
The photo of the Novamat 64 you posted is the one I saw. The silver control panel.
Chris.
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Post# 19808-7/12/2002-09:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: something interesting about washers
MESSAGE: Hi Jason.
Here's my theory...
I reckon that at higher rpm, the drum is turning so fast that it hasn't got time to wobble left before it has revolved and now wants to wobble right. The two opposing wobbles cancel each other out. I used to notice it a lot on the Keymatic, its drum is very softly suspended on cables and springs, it had rubber buffers built into the frame and the drum would sometimes bump into the buffers until it got up some speed.
I believe every machine has a "critical speed" before it stabilizes and smooths out, I wonder if that is the same speed for all machines or if each model has its own critical speed?
Over to you, Professor Jason.
Chris.
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Post# 19809-7/12/2002-11:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Dryer on eBay (That was a '59 Filtrator)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, first off all lets get the fact straight, the dryer in question was a DCI-59 not DCI-58. Second of all it only had a small lint fire caused by not properly cleaning the lint from the outer drum, the dryer was not "lost". Third of all that dryer has been cleaned and restored and in mint condition now, Don Haggerty has it in his collection along with the matching WCI-59.
As for that DCI-58 on eBay, even though it looks beautiful I cannot justify the $300+$300 for shipping a dryer, now if it was an Apex, that would have been a different story.
It is interesting that all of the sudden there seem to be more vintage 1950's Frigidaire washers and dryers showing up on eBay, listed at very high prices no less. I wonder if the word is getting out. Still it is unfortunate that for every five to ten 50 year old dryers we see, we find only one 50 year old washer.
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Post# 19810-7/12/2002-11:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG Compact (AEG Novamat)
MESSAGE: AEG made a lot of these machines in many different styles. The Novamat, the 664, the 220, the 240 and a few. There were indeed older machines than the one in the pictures, but I don't have pics of them.
Louis
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Post# 19811-7/12/2002-13:30 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD :-)
MESSAGE: I would like to know what type of agitator this LK used?
Was it a Veriflex, Super-Roto-Swirl or was it the RotoFlex?
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Post# 19812-7/12/2002-13:42 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Dryer on eBay (the real shame of it)
MESSAGE: The real shame is that if someone doesn't step up and pay the asking price, the machine will probably go to the Krusher or the Salvation Army.
-ph
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Post# 19813-7/12/2002-14:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Dryer on eBay (the real shame of it)
MESSAGE: $100 plus shipping would be more attractive. Perhaps the seller would re-list it if there are no bids this round. If I were the seller, I would rather get $50 or a $100 than just throw it away.
The "market" for these appliances should correct itself - just like with the Westy stack set that was up for auction a while back. If you don't get any bids, it's not worth your asking price. Having seen many a live auction, if an item's price is too high, they lower it immediately until they get a first bid and then go from there.
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Post# 19814-7/12/2002-15:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Found at Today's Estate Sale
MESSAGE: It's funny sometimes when you go to these sales how people drool over things we'd likely never even consider, but of course a lot of the time they do the reverse, which works in our favor; and hopefully it will in this situation too!
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Post# 19815-7/12/2002-21:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: How to Get it Home
MESSAGE: OK, I went back to that estate sale today for that Westinghouse front loader and realized that I will have a problem transporting it home. The use and care book instructs you to replace the shipping braces before moving the machine. Guess what I don't have? So folks, any ideas on how to transport this baby on its side in the Saab??
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Post# 19816-7/12/2002-23:21 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home
MESSAGE: Try using old pillows or sofa cushions to brace the drum so it doesn't bang itself to shreds.
Drive very carefully.
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Post# 19817-7/12/2002-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home
MESSAGE: There should be no problem transporting this washer on it's side for the trip home. It's not good to leave it tipped over for long periods, but the drive home won't hurt anything. As an extra precaution, you can wedge a board between the cabinet panel and the tub when you lay it down in order to keep the suspended assembly from moving too much.
Good luck and congrats on the great find!
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Post# 19818-7/13/2002-07:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: Siemens from the fifties
MESSAGE: Most probably an automatic tumblewasher that doesn't spin. I love the controls with the colors.
Louis
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=1748855562&t=0&r=0&indexURL=0&photoDisplayType=2#ebaylargephotohosting
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Post# 19819-7/13/2002-09:43 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: dirty enamel
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any ideas about what to do with the drum in the round Frigidaire?
The enamel is good above the water level, but lower it seems to have a residue over its whole surface. You can still see the white flecks underneath, but instead of the blue-grey colour, it looks dirty brownish grey. I'm not sure if the enamel has discoloured, or if it has a buildup of minerals or soap residue. I have tried several cleaning products on it, nothing makes any effect on it. It is currently soaking overnight to see if that helps. I have tried scouring and scraping at it, but I am startng to think it it isn't a residue at all, but either discoloured enamel or the enamel is pitted and worn badly. It is worst on the raised ridges on the bottom of the wash tub. It has a slightly rough texture, not smooth like good enamel. There is no rust at all, but it looks almost like the enamel is worn away. But this doesn't add up as the rest of the machine appears to have had little use - the cabinet is excellent, even a paper delivery sticker is still intact. If the enamel is worn out, I don't want to wear it away further trying to clean off a non-existant residue. Can it be re-enamelled?
Any ideas, folks??
Thanks.
Chris.
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Post# 19820-7/13/2002-14:33 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel
MESSAGE: There is a possibility that there's an accumulation of mineral deposits Gizmo. Here's what I would do:
I would try either a blue, or a white Scotch Bright pad (not the green, that might be too rough), and some Lime-Away. Lime-Away is an phosphoric acid based product that is designed to work on hard water deposits. Its main ingredient is actually found in some soft drinks, and is also used as a food preservative. Try this first.
If it's too stubborn to come out, then you may have to live with it for the time being, until you can find a place that can actually boil the residues out of the tub, and then re-enamal it.
A word of encouragement: My dish washer has rust that will never come out, a result of iron deposits by the water inlet. I cleaned it as best I could, and still use it after two years. It really doesn't look that bad , and it works great! You take care of an old appliance, and you'll never have to buy a new one.
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Post# 19821-7/13/2002-14:39 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn?
MESSAGE: Now I know you guys think I'm pulling your towels out of the basket of what I have found here in Brooklyn!
But here's just a few pic of a James Dishwasher that I've found today that will make you think twice!
I still do not have a digital still camera, but my PC webcam of James will have to do.....
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/lst?&.dir=/Vintage+Appliances&.src=bc&.view=l&.begin=1&.order=&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAppliances%26.src=bc%26.view=l
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Post# 19822-7/13/2002-15:06 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel
MESSAGE: Can you post a photo?
It's possible that the rough surface is the result of etching, perhaps someone leaving a strongly alkaline detergent solution in the washer for an extended period. Or it could be mineral deposits.
What cleaning products have you tried? Have you tried a calcium/lime/rust remover? Be careful with such products, by the way, as they can eat or etch away at the glassy surface coating of enamel, after which it will always feel rough and will be easily stained.
I've had good luck using TSP or STPP to remove mineral deposits on things, such as my stainless steel countertop dish drain rack pan. I just make a paste of it and let it soak for a while. Of course, stainless is a lot more resistant to phosphate/alkaline etching than porcelain or enamel.
If the brown coloration is due to rust discoloration, a product with oxalic acid like Zud might help. Again, be very careful, as it will also etch in a matter of minutes. I once left a sponge soaked iwth a solution of Lime-away on the edge of a tub that had bad rust stains. I forgot it was there and came back the next day. It had eaten quite large craters in the porcelain coating on the tub. Not good! I think the main ingredient in that cleaning product was hydrochloric acid. So read the cleaning product labels carefully before using. But TSP and STPP are very low in their etching effect and should be ok for an overnight soak.
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Post# 19823-7/13/2002-15:07 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn?
MESSAGE: Couldn't access that. Either you need to put it into a photo album, or make the album you've already put it into, public.
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Post# 19824-7/13/2002-15:31 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn?
MESSAGE: Will do, try again....
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Post# 19825-7/13/2002-15:38 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Older, middle age or younger?
MESSAGE: Now the question of the day is?
Is this James dishwasher made before mass marketing or is this a step down of the model you have posted Unimatic1140?
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Post# 19826-7/13/2002-16:03 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Still no picture)
MESSAGE: I tried the link again, and there wasn't any thing in the folder yet. Keep trying!
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Post# 19827-7/13/2002-16:14 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: Lets try again
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/lr9711
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Post# 19828-7/13/2002-16:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: hmmm...there are several pictures of a very handsome man, but no pictures of a dishwasher. It says the album is empty but it flashes advertisements.
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Post# 19829-7/13/2002-16:39 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: I see I'm having problems uploading!
Some way,some how, I'm gonna post these photo's if it take me all night!
Please bear with me and thanks for the kind words....
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Post# 19830-7/13/2002-16:46 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: The reason why it's not showing, the photo's must be coverted to a jpeg.
Sorry!
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Post# 19831-7/13/2002-17:01 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: I hope that it will show this time!
LINK: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/lr9711/lst?.dir=/Vintage+appliances+found+in+NY&.src=bc&.view=
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Post# 19832-7/13/2002-17:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: Very cool! Your pictures are there now! Two James d/ws inside a month; it's so fun that people are finding things! Enjoy!
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Post# 19833-7/13/2002-17:14 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: I wish I knew the age of this machine. I looked everywhere for the model number and it's nowhere to be found!
Does anybody know?
The moving wash arm is stiff, the plug will need to be replaced and the fill and drain hoses is the original that's within the unit.
I have so many questions about this machine and I dont know where to start!
Now I have a portable dishwasher and I hope that it will work!
Wow, this is a good month for all of us at Classic Appliances!
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Post# 19834-7/13/2002-17:18 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: Thanks....
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Post# 19835-7/13/2002-17:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn?
MESSAGE: Wow - that is a wonderful find! These James dishwashers are just popping up all over the place aren't they?
Congrats on your new dishwasher!
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Post# 19836-7/13/2002-17:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel
MESSAGE: Ugh! Welcome to the discouraging world of porcelain enamel. I had a 1968 Rollermatic washer with this same problem, dirty, hazy film on the tub. I tried to scrub it out with Lime-Away and a commercial/industrial lime remover and was able to get the mineral deposits out of the tub, but was still left with etched porcelain. I doubt there is much you can do that will restore it to the orginal finish. It won't hurt the tub to continue using it, but the rougher finish might slow down turnover during agitation.
It is possible to have the tub re-enameled with porcelain, however, the major stumbling block is the balance ring around the top of the tub. It is filled with tiny metal shavings and would have to be removed before it could be fired again in the enameling process. There is a company here in the states that can do this, the only problem is the balance ring. Several of us have tubs that could use a new coat of enamel, so if you figure out something brilliant to do with them, let us know!
Good luck with your new washer!
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Post# 19837-7/13/2002-18:20 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: The Crosley name lives on...
MESSAGE: Yes indeed, you can still get a new Crosley washer and dryer!
My most recent acquisition is a Crosley portable washer with five settings, and a 2 cubic foot tub. It has a black porscelin interior with white speckles, unlike the machines sold under the Kenmore and Whirlpool names. The washing action is a dual-action, with a strait vane agitator. The tub moves counter-clockwise as the agitator does the task of mixing, and its effectiveness is surprising. The extraction speed is approximately 800, maybe 900 RPM. If anybody is interested in more information about this machine, and how they may compare with the classic portables, I will gladly post more.
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Post# 19838-7/13/2002-18:28 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Belt drive Kenmore on E-Bay
MESSAGE: If anybody lives in Phoenix, Arizona, there is a harvest gold Kenmore starting at $50.00, and it appears that it's a belt drive. I just gotta wonder if this thing would work with one of them roto-swirl agitators...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2038909895
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Post# 19839-7/13/2002-18:51 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Belt drive Kenmore on E-Bay
MESSAGE: It's a 6 cycle belt drive washer with a dual action agitator, 2 speeds, infinite water level with 6 water temperature; h/w, h/c, w/w, w/c, c/c and Automatic.
Judging by the photo, it's missing the cap to the agitator and possible fabric softener dispenser!
The bleach dispenser is not automatic.
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Post# 19840-7/13/2002-18:55 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Belt drive Kenmore on E-Bay
MESSAGE: yes, the Roto-Swirl will work in that machine, but it will loose much of the washing action because of the larger tub.
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Post# 19841-7/13/2002-19:36 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on...
MESSAGE: Oh, oh....., it sounds like a Frigidaire with the Tri-Action wash system. Please post more about this machine. I like to see if the agitator indexes with the basket or does it agitate as normal and only the tub indexes! That would be nice to see!
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Post# 19842-7/13/2002-21:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: It looks like a model not intended to go on the left side of a james range. And Larry, it's finally nice to connect a picture of a face with the poster.
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Post# 19843-7/13/2002-21:57 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on... (Dual action agitation)
MESSAGE: Well, the tub moves with each stroke of the agitator, as the agitator moves back and forth like normal.
This "twists" the cloths as they approach the agitator, creating a kind of vortex toward the base. Then, the vortex causes the clothing to twist as they advance down the the vanes, and toward the fins of the agitator. It is fun to watch!
After that, the thing makes a loud "pop" immediately after the wash cycle and starts draining instantly. After that, it pops again and spins momentarily, then the motor lets go and it coasts. Then, it will grab again as it's coasting and start spinning it faster. It does this several times until it reaches its maximum velocity. When watching it spin, it's going like a car tire traveling down the freeway at 60 miles per hour!
It may be a new machine, but it looks to me like it may one day be collectable...
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Post# 19844-7/13/2002-22:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home
MESSAGE: I agree Greg. Anthony I have transported machine after machine on its side in the back of my Jeep, it should be fine for a short trip.
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Post# 19845-7/13/2002-22:01 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more) (James Dishwasher/ Stove/Dishwasher Combo)
MESSAGE: Congrats on finding another James Dishwasher. Counting the one I have, that now makes THREE we have in the club. Mine is currently still working, but I treat it with care since parts for it are scarce. There was a model of a stove that had a James Dishwasher in it as an accessory. Anyone ever seen one in person? I will try and dig up the ad I had for it. It was amazing! A Stove/Dishwasher Combo!!!
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Post# 19846-7/13/2002-22:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: WOW Larry I just can't believe this. I never thought I would ever see a James dishwasher and yet both you and I find one in the same month no less! What a conincidence!
Your's looks very similar to mine. This is such a FUN dishwasher to have, I've been working on restoring mine all week. I've cleared up most of its problems and the only thing left to do is fix the leaky pump and give the very worn out cabinet a good sanding and painting.
What a neat find. Does yours have a water heater too?
Anyway, thanks for the great pictures, its always nice to put a face with the name.
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Post# 19847-7/13/2002-22:10 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: So close but yet so far away :=(
MESSAGE: I was driving to my parents' house and I always look at the used appliance store to see what's outside. It's usually what somebody left there. Well, this time I looked and saw a washer and as I past it at 45mph I noticed a woodgrain console cover. BRAKES!!!!! Tires screech and I do a fast Uturn. I parked right in front of the beauty and YES it was indeed a white Lady Kenmore. My heart leaped for joy! I opened the console and there she was.... the beautiful control panel. I opened the lid and found the Variflex. I was nearly in tears as I stared at the beauty.
Well, I went inside and asked about the Lady K. The man said the washer was all rusted out on the bottom and was leaking from the outer tub. :'-(
So close to my dream machine but yet SO far away. I was just in shock because I could've asked to let me part the machine out for the control panel and the agitator.
Welcome to New Orleans... the land of rust... You're going to rot here.
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Post# 19848-7/13/2002-22:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel
MESSAGE: It sounds like the porcelain is worn away Chris. This only happens when the washer has had very heavy use or if some chemical was used. The fact that the Pulsator is seven sided and not round tells us that the washer was probably used quite heavily. I have seen the porcelain wear away on many different brand of washer tubs, especially Maytag.
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Post# 19849-7/13/2002-22:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home (Bringing the Atlanta Lady home)
MESSAGE: If I go and get that machine (hopefully I will), would it be wise to stand it up in the bed of my truck or can it be layed on its side (safer) for the 7 hour ride? Does being sideways mess with the suspension or something?
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Post# 19850-7/13/2002-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Older, middle age or younger?
MESSAGE: Parts in my James dishwasher are marked 1952, so I suspect there were a few different models around this time.
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Post# 19851-7/13/2002-22:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home (Bringing the Atlanta Lady home)
MESSAGE: It should be fine Jason, but have a towel ready in case some of the oil from the tranny drips out. When you put a belt drive WP/KN on its side, sometimes a bit of oil runs out of the tranny from underneath the spin clutch pulley.
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Post# 19852-7/14/2002-03:51 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: So close but yet so far away :=(
MESSAGE:
Jasonl,
go back, go back and get those two items!
Now I want a Veri-Flex agitator!
My eyes are big as saucers, my tong is hanging out of my mouth drooling, while panting in anticipation to get one of those!
I hope you'll find your dream machine soon!
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Post# 19853-7/14/2002-04:56 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: I like to thank Bob, Robert, Jimmy, Greg and everyone in this club for such kind words that makes me feel real good on the inside! All of you are terrific and cool!
Now if I can get my head out of cloud nine because of this great find, I can start to do my first restore job before I can tackle what's in my fathers basement! Oh, he's going to kill me for bogging down his oil tank room floor with my new vintage machines! :-))
Now as for the James, I'm not sure if it has an heater?
So where do I look for it and can I use common tools to take this machine apart?
Also, could you please tell me the step by step procedure to begin restoration of this unit before I do something I will regret?
Thanks everyone,
Larry
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Post# 19854-7/14/2002-07:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD 59 Frig
MESSAGE: Now this is weird. I'm listening to the song "slow ride" by Foghat and I look at the 59 Frigidaire POD. That's the first year for the 2 speed motor... hence: a "Slow Ride".
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Post# 19855-7/14/2002-07:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: So close but yet so far away :=(
MESSAGE: I'm gonna go piece out that machine today if it's still out there.
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Post# 19856-7/14/2002-09:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Sudsmaster,Unimatic,Mr Coffee,
Thanks for your suggestions.
Lime Away, Zud are not available here in Aus but CLR is. I will try some CLR but it gives heavy warnings about etching, should I try adding a cup full to a full tub of hot water and letting it do a wash then rinse, or should I try a stronger solution dabbed on and quickly rinsed off? The worry is as a solid basket machine, if it's too strong the only way to empty it is to spin it out, where it may do more damage on the way out.
So far I have tried: An orange oil based bath-and-tile cleaner (slight result) , non-caustic oven cleaner (12% ethanolamine) (no result, made some good sizzling noises when applied), White Lily paste (old fashioned scouring paste, quite mild, a favourite of mine but no use this time), and an overnight soak with very hot water and generic machine dishwasher powder (looks a whisker cleaner, not by much).
I suspect it is a combination of etching/wear and a deposit. I will try to remove deposits without worsening the wear.
I am surprised if it is wear, the rest of the machine is almost unmarked. It says good things about the design if it has had a lot of use - there is no sign of wear, vibration, sloppiness, leaks.
Are those resurfacing treatments like Mend-a Bath suitable? Of course the tub would have to be removed, but at least the filings could be left in place. I should remove the rubber plug and look inside - maybe the Aussie made ones don't use filings, but something else? I would only use a resurfacing if it could provide a surface that looks similar to original.
Thanks again, folks.
Chris.
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Post# 19857-7/14/2002-11:32 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home (Bringing the Atlanta Lady home)
MESSAGE: OOOh a Southern Belle, She should really like to wash blue towels Jason!
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Post# 19858-7/14/2002-11:37 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel
MESSAGE: Use automotive products. Try using white polishing compound. You can also try bleach on on sponge to clear the pours in the paint. Ross
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Post# 19859-7/14/2002-13:53 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel (Brasso)
MESSAGE: I've had good success with Brasso. It's made for polishing brass and some metals, but I've used it for cleaning up the enamel and painted finishes on some of my old appliances. Specifically the finish on my old Kitchenaid mixer. I've also used it on the original lacquer finishes of GM automobiles.
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Post# 19860-7/14/2002-14:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: Larry you're more than welcome. I'm sure Robert and other established restorers will aid you. And BTW, that's what basements are for.... Bogging down with vintage machines!!!!
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Post# 19861-7/14/2002-14:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home (Bringing the Atlanta Lady home)
MESSAGE: I had thought of her as a southern lady myself. Maybe Peter's Lady K you're gonna get from Atlanta should be called Scarlet (from Gone with the Wind). Or maybe Belle as Ross said. But remember, Belle ran the house of ill-repute
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Post# 19862-7/14/2002-14:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home (Bringing the Atlanta Lady home)
MESSAGE: This Lady shouldn't be expected to wash blue towels. If she is expected to do so, maybe she should be called Prissy (also from GWTW).
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Post# 19863-7/14/2002-17:08 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home ((Never make a Lady wash blue towels...))
MESSAGE: Oh, I think that if Jason subjects his latest washer acqusition to the usual Friday load of blue towels, then the appropriate nickname for it would not be Prissy, or Scarlett, but, rather, Rhett. As in, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn".
:-)
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Post# 19864-7/14/2002-17:41 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home ((Never make a Lady wash blue towels...))
MESSAGE: LOL,...LOL
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Post# 19865-7/14/2002-17:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Is this heaven? No this is Iowa.....
MESSAGE: I went on another journey into Iowa yesterday and although brought home no machines, I did manage to scrounge up a vanload of parts and service/parts books from an old appliance business that closed. Apparently the orginal owner of the store died some time ago and his children finally sold the building. Their primary brands were Westinghouse, WCI, Norge/Admiral. They did service on all brands, there was nothing very old in the parts inventory, but they still had service & parts books from lots of brands all the way back to the late 50's.
Upstairs in the offices, lying open and scattered on the floor was a complete Jam Handy promotional and training kit for Frigidaire circa 1947. Included in this were the filmstrips and records (remember the "beep"?) promoting Frigidaire refrigerators, ranges, and yes, washers. I will have to see if I can have the gargantuan LP's (16") transferred to CD or cassette as my turntable isn't quite large enough for these.
Although the day didn't net any fun machines, it was still fruitful and always fun to spend a couple of hours hunting for treasures. The Frigidaire stuff was a great find and I also got a lot of service and parts books I've been looking for. In fact, I have so many duplicates, I've started listing some on Ebay to get rid of them. There are lots of Frigidaire Tech-Talk books from 1958 to 74 and there will be more coming as I wade through my stacks.
Hope everyone's weekend was grand!
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Post# 19866-7/14/2002-18:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: What Makes It Tick? How the Frigidaire Washer Is Built
MESSAGE: Here's a sampling of the 83 frame filmstrip I found in the Lake City, Iowa store yesterday. This fascinating filmstrip covers the manufacturing process of the newly released 1947 Automatic Washer.
I have a filmstrip projector, but no way to play the record to go with the pictures. Hopefully I can get the records transferred, I also have a filmstrip & record for the 1950 WO-65 washer "Washdays Can Be Fun" too!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst?.dir=/What+Makes+It+Tick++-+++Filmstrip+time!&.src=ph&.view=t
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Post# 19867-7/14/2002-18:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: dirty enamel (Calgon)
MESSAGE: Hey Chris,
In a number of old books I have, they recommend letting the machine soak with "1 pound" of Calgon. If you can find a good non-precipitating water softening agent, try letting the machine soak with a tubful of it to see if it dissolves away.
-ph
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Post# 19868-7/14/2002-18:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: So close but yet so far away :=(
MESSAGE: That's OK Jason. I connected up the 72 LK today and ran a load thru it. It just purrrrrrrrs! Compared to the 1-18, it is tiny, but it sure is alot of fun. She just awaiting you to come take her to a better place... Pls email me with your plans...
-ph
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Post# 19869-7/14/2002-18:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: How to Get it Home (Bringing the Atlanta Lady home)
MESSAGE: Better to stand her up in the truck bed, Jason. That way, there will be more room for the 62 Model 70 KM dryer... ;)
-ph
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Post# 19870-7/14/2002-18:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: Excellent!!! Congrats on a great find!
-ph
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Post# 19871-7/14/2002-18:43 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: What Makes It Tick? How the Frigidaire Washer Is Built
MESSAGE: I wonder if the records will be as campy as "Mother Takes A Holiday"... Wonderful find, Greg!!!
-ph
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Post# 19872-7/14/2002-18:45 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on... (Crosley was a Norgetag )
MESSAGE: The last Crosleys I've seen were still Norgetag machines. Since Maytag doesn't make a portable, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a WCI machine. Will be interesting to see the pics...
-ph
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Post# 19873-7/14/2002-18:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Today's connections
MESSAGE: As I posted, today I connected up the 72 LK for quality testing before Jason comes to get her. While in the laundry room, I fixed the tub light/ozone light in the 62 Model 70 KM dryer, along with replacing a door spring. Once that job was done, I replaced the 5-terminal thermostat in the 77 1-18 DCI dryer and moved him into place. What a noisy machine! The thumping would be in complete harmony to the 1-18 washer! But the dryer is HUGE and a perfect companion to the 1-18 washer.
-ph
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Post# 19874-7/14/2002-19:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on... (Crosley was a Norgetag )
MESSAGE: The specialty laundry line of Crosley is made by Whirlpool.
LINK: http://www.crosley.com/specialty_laundry.htm
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Post# 19875-7/14/2002-19:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's connections
MESSAGE: I've never had a 1-18 dryer - I've heard about their reputations, but they are loud too?? Too bad really as they are very pretty...
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Post# 19876-7/14/2002-19:14 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on... (Crosley was a Norgetag )
MESSAGE: Well, believe it or not, Maytag makes some of Crosley's machines, and so does Whirlpool. This one was made by Whirlpool.
If you go to Sears and look at the portable that they sell, you'll have an idea of what mine looks like. Only mine has the black porscelin tub with white flecks, and the Crosly name on the front panel.
I really can't post a picture of it, because I don't have a digital camera or scanner. Actually, I don't even have a camera! Oh well. None the less, when I do get the equipment I'll upload a picture.
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Post# 19877-7/14/2002-19:26 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's connections
MESSAGE: If you all remember my story about the flambuoyant dryer last week, youll be interested to know that what that old Kenmore replaced was a 1-18 dryer. my mother friggin loved that dryer. It was 18 years old when she got rid of it for the reason that "It just wasnt drying like it used to". As i remember it wasnt all that loud. but the buzzer was tooth chattering. I do remember it being very pretty, it was wood grain if i remember correctly.. That dryer was GREAT!!!
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Post# 19878-7/14/2002-19:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's connections
MESSAGE: Well the thumping is in perfect harmony with the wumpa-wumpa of a pulsating frigidaire of any era. On a scale of 1-18, how would you rate the quality of the harmony? Is it noteworthy?
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Post# 19879-7/14/2002-20:31 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Is this heaven? No this is Iowa..... (16"
LP player)
MESSAGE: There's a website that sells bohemoth land-yacht turntables that will play those 16" records.
I'm a big time record player fanatic and Garage-A-Records is a great source for parts. And I've fixed quite a few 70s BSR's through them. They even have parts for my 1950 VM Changer (which I will restore soon).
LINK: http://www.garage-a-records.com
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Post# 19880-7/15/2002-07:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: James Dishwasher in Brooklyn? (Try once more)
MESSAGE: Hi James,
Well step by step restoration instructions would be quite lenghty. So lets just start with this,
Fill the dishwasher pump manually with very hot water, you can pour the hot water directly into the dishwasher itself until you see the water come up above the drain screen. Make sure the motor and pulley are not locked up and can turn, although they might be a bit tight. Then hook up the DW the faucet and start it up and see what happens.
Let us know.
By the way, the heater is a long U shaped element in the bottom of the tank.
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Post# 19881-7/15/2002-07:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What Makes It Tick? How the Frigidaire Washer Is Built
MESSAGE: Greg those slides are great, I can't wait to see them all. It would be wonderful to scan them in a high resolution slide scanner and post them on the club.
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Post# 19882-7/15/2002-10:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Electric Drain Pumps in Modern Dishwashers for the James
MESSAGE: Hey guys, the drain pump in my James dishwasher is a small electric drain pump. Unfortunately the shaft seal is a cheap rubber bladder that needs to be replaced as it is leaking rather badly. If it were a more common and more stury carbon face washer seal it would be easier to replace. What I need to do is simply mount a new electric pump in place of the old pump. I have a few electric washing machine pumps, but these are designed to pump many gallons of water out at a time and are an overkill for a dishwasher.
My question is for you guys who know about modern dishwashers. Does anyone know what brands of modern dishwashers uses a seperate little electric pump to drain the tank as opposed to dishwashers that use the main wash arm pump to drain the tank with a water diverter?
Once I know what brands use a pump like this I can go into an appliance parts place and and ask for one.
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Post# 19883-7/15/2002-11:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: What Makes It Tick? How the Frigidaire Washer Is Built
MESSAGE: Lovely pictures, Greg. I love those films from the time marketing was simple. It at least shows you the product what it's all about.
Louis
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Post# 19884-7/15/2002-11:07 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Electric Drain Pumps in Modern Dishwashers for the James
MESSAGE: Robert, my Bosch uses the 2 pump system. The separate drain pump should be readily available in the U.S.
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Post# 19885-7/15/2002-11:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on... (Crosley was a Norgetag )
MESSAGE: I had a browse through their website but didn't see their wringer washer there anymore. Did they stop making it?
Louis
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Post# 19886-7/15/2002-11:31 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Electric Drain Pumps in Modern Dishwashers for the James (yup)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert.....it's nice to be able to do something for you for a change........ My Frigidaire Precision Wash DW has a seperate pump......SteveD
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Post# 19887-7/15/2002-11:31 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Electric Drain Pumps in Modern Dishwashers for the James (yup)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert.....it's nice to be able to do something for you for a change........ My Frigidaire Precision Wash DW has a seperate pump......SteveD
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Post# 19888-7/15/2002-11:58 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on... (Mine was made by Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Well, I contacted Crosley's 800 number, and ended up getting Whirlpool. As for the wringer, I'll have to find a way to get ahold of Crosley them selves. I am assuming that Speed Queen was making that machine for them, but I cannot be sure unless I hear the strait facts from Crosley.
It doesn't surprise me that the wringer was removed from their web sight, as Maytag stopped making their wringers back in 1983 or so. Hang tight, and I'll keep everybody posted.
I forgot to also mention: this portable, whether it's a Whirlpool, a Crosley, a GE, or a Kenmore variety, does indeed give the opportunity for a belt drive. In a sense, I got my belt drive cake, and I'm eating it too!
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Post# 19889-7/15/2002-12:21 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: It's made by Whirlpool, but it's deffinately a Crosley!
MESSAGE: I just got off the phone with the Whirlpool representative, and she stated that only the Crosley has a belt drive, and the dual action that moves the tub while the machine agitates. All other portables, including GE, Whirlpool, and Kenmore have direct drive according to this individual.
Whirlpool manufactures machines under the design specifications of manufacturers who order their products. So apparently, the belt drive is unique to Crosley. So, if anybody wants a belt-drive portable to collect, this is your brand!
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Post# 19890-7/15/2002-12:28 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Electric Drain Pumps in Modern Dishwashers for the James (Sears Parts Store?)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I don't know that much about the dishwashers, but I know that the newer front load washers use a small 70 watt pump. Some of the smaller front loaders may use smaller ones. Do you have a Sears parts store that you can go into and look? We have a Sears parts stores here in Atlanta that you can go into and look at the parts before buying if they are in stock.
What is the wattage of the pump on your James? Can you see it on the pump?
Hope this helps.
Brent
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Post# 19891-7/15/2002-12:30 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What Makes It Tick? How the Frigidaire Washer Is Built (That is wonderfull!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
What speed are the records for the film strips?
Does it say on the record?
Brent
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Post# 19892-7/15/2002-12:49 ||| jetaction (Minnepolis)
SUBJECT: Ironrite Settings
MESSAGE: I just replaced the burlap and pads to my new Ironrite model 95, and was anxious to give it the trial run. Under the forming board are suggested heat settings for ironing, but are too hot. The settings are: 1-3/low, 4-8/Medium, 9-12-High. The suggested setting for cotton was 10, but I tried white pillowcases (washed fresh and hung out on the line) and they came out noticably discolored. Anybody have suggested heat settings for the basic facrics like cottons, linens-the usual?
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Post# 19893-7/15/2002-12:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Electric Drain Pumps in Modern Dishwashers for the James (yup)
MESSAGE: Thanks Eddie, Steve and Brent. The Frigidaire Precision Wash pump will be perfect then. I bet that will be the cheapest replacement because Frigidaire still is sort of a domestic brand.
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Post# 19894-7/15/2002-12:56 ||| herr-miele (UK)
SUBJECT: RE: The Crosley name lives on... (Mine was made by Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Lehmans have an exact re-make of the Speed Queen wringer washer, made in Saudi Arabia, could this be what Crosley was selling? Also still available in a petrol motor driven version.
Richtoo
LINK: http://www.lehmans.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/CategoryDisplay?cgmenbr=12426&cgrfnbr=32845&FROM_CAT_REF=12868
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Post# 19895-7/15/2002-13:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: What Makes It Tick? How the Frigidaire Washer Is Built (That is wonderfull!)
MESSAGE: The records are 33 1/3 RPM. I called a couple of places today to have them transferred to CD and it's $23 per hour plus the cost of the CD.
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Post# 19896-7/15/2002-16:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: NEWSFLASH: Control Tower Washer Just Found in Minneapolis
MESSAGE: I'm on my way to check it out, it could it be a Pulsamatic or a Unimatic, we will find out.
Details in a bit.
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Post# 19897-7/15/2002-16:18 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: What Makes It Tick? How the Frigidaire Washer Is Built (That is big bucks for something so simple.)
MESSAGE: I wish that you were closer. I would do it for you for free.
Brent
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Post# 19898-7/15/2002-18:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: NEWSFLASH: Control Tower Washer Just Found in Minneapolis
MESSAGE: Oooooh, a possible Pulsamatic.....I need a towel to wipe the drool from my chin!
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Post# 19899-7/15/2002-18:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!!
MESSAGE: How exciting is this? Pictures to come later on in the evening, first I need to get it out of the Jeep.
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Post# 19900-7/15/2002-18:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!!
MESSAGE: That's just great! Congratulations! Imagine, two very rare machines in one! We'll be looking forward to hearing its story!
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Post# 19901-7/15/2002-18:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!!
MESSAGE: Absoulutely amazing - was this from your recycler guy?
He deserves a plate of cookies!!
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Post# 19902-7/15/2002-19:10 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: NEWSFLASH: Control Tower Washer Just Found in Minneapolis
MESSAGE: That is wonderful!
Fill us in A.S.A.P.
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Post# 19903-7/15/2002-20:12 ||| Jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!!
MESSAGE: WOW! We wanna see videos
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Post# 19904-7/15/2002-20:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Well here are pictures to start...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Pulsamatic.htm
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Post# 19905-7/15/2002-20:52 ||| Sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Congrats. It looks to be in fine shape and will definitely fit your needs!
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Post# 19906-7/15/2002-20:53 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Great Find!!)
MESSAGE: Robert - This is real Great
Does it need a lot of work
Best of Luck
Peter
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Post# 19907-7/15/2002-21:10 ||| bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: Pulsmatic
MESSAGE: Robert, you can't believe how excited I am that you found this machine. It shows us all that there are still great finds out there that seem to pop up at the right time. One day I will find a nice well taken care of Bendix Duomatic. Your pulsmatic looks to be in good physical condition and hopefully it runs well. Enjoy!!!!!
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Post# 19908-7/15/2002-21:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Absolutely stunning - and the glass timer panel isn't broken, truly amazing!
Now you'll have a "Control Tower Row" - around which you can dance the Frigidaire Follies!
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Post# 19909-7/15/2002-22:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!!
MESSAGE: WhooHooo! Anticipating the restoration pics and videos that are sure to come!
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Post# 19910-7/15/2002-22:53 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (YAY for Robert!!)
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS ROBERT!! The washer god's were smiling on you today!! The Pulsamatic looks like a real gem!! Thanks for sharing the pictures with us so quickly. Terry
LINK:
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Post# 19911-7/15/2002-22:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Beautiful, breathtaking, incredible, outstanding. I'm beside myself. Is this from your recycler? Do I need to bake him something in gratitude for the club and send it to him?
By the time you have another convention at your house, dual pulsamatics!!!! I can't wait. My double the laughter for sure!!!
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Post# 19912-7/15/2002-22:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Deos this make us the "Watch Control Tower Society"?
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Post# 19913-7/15/2002-23:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (YAY for Robert!!)
MESSAGE: Terry your link says "forbidden".
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Post# 19914-7/15/2002-23:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Bob, I would pay all Robert's expenses to have a convention at his home, just to watch you watching two Pulsamatics at once. That was a wonderful moment I will just never forget! :)
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Post# 19915-7/15/2002-23:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott. ME NEITHER!!!! will I ever forget it. I don't think anyone else in the house will ever either. Nor do I think the structure of Robert's house will ever fully recover.
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Post# 19916-7/15/2002-23:51 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: It was fun, for sure! Those expressions of amazement on the first look at it were priceless.
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Post# 19917-7/16/2002-05:22 ||| FilterFlo (Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Jetaction's Ironrite Ironer
MESSAGE: Hi Don, The settings on your ironer may need to be recalibrated, as sometimes the thermostats drift over time. One other hint: Most ironing was done with the clothes still damp. Try your ironer again after dampening the clothes or iron them after removing them from the washer; this may make the difference.......ALSO In case no one has WELCOMED you to the group, I would like to say Thanks for joining us! Its great to have you as a NEW MEMBER!!! (Don is my good friend I met a couple of years ago at the Judy Garland convention in Grand Rapids, Minn. and I only found out at this years convention that he is an appliance collector too) P.S. I think I have the owners manual for your Ironrite if you need one. Jimmy
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Post# 19918-7/16/2002-05:45 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (I am starting to think these machines find you!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
That machine looks great! You can tell that the person that owned it took good care of it!
What history on the machine did you get from the person you got it from?
Jason in New Orleans had a interesting point in one of his post about rust and humidity. I am wondering if machines here in the South don't last as long and are not in good shape because of the humidity? I have noticed that even pictures on the farm, most of the machines don't look too rusted out. I have seen machines here that are only 12 years old that are rusted to the point of holes.
You always have something fun to play with on the weekend!
Brent
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Post# 19919-7/16/2002-06:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (rust)
MESSAGE: You got it!
Around here, lots of washing machines are installed in garages or "wash houses". So usually, they're one step away from being outside. That's bad news. That's why that Lady K was eaten away with rust. The lucky ones go inside of the house in the AC and they can stay there for years. My portable Lady K is a prime example. Not a speck of rust on her. There are probably lots of old machines still kickin' that are living inside of the house. My machines are in the trailer with me so there's no way of getting rusted. The machines that survive the years in a air conditioned house are the real gems.
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Post# 19920-7/16/2002-07:45 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite Settings (Good Ironing is Dry Ironing!!!)
MESSAGE: I've owned two Ironrite machines and on both I've found that the thermostats can vary a great deal. I'm assuming you've replaced the pad and the cover with 100% cotton materials. Any sort of "blends" can be melted by the high heat. If you are ironing any type of blends you also need to be careful if you are using the "pressing action." Also, if you've used chlorine bleach on your clothes, this too will cause scorching.
I've reposted the link to that movie archive that has a great two part film on how to use an Ironrite.
LINK: http://www.archive.org/
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Post# 19921-7/16/2002-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jetaction's Ironrite Ironer (Welcome Don!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy & Don -
I was intending to reply to Don's Ironrite post as well, but got caught up in the Frigidaire fury ;) A big welcome to the club to Don, Jimmy told me about meeting you again at the convention and telling you about the club. Enjoy!
My 1947 Ironrite behaves in the same manner, just seems to get hotter and hotter as you are using it. Maybe what we need is a short Ironrite restoration class, re-calibrating the thermostat, changing or adding gear oil (and type of oil) and of course, some user tips. I have the user manual for mine, but it doesn't say much about repair operations.
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Post# 19922-7/16/2002-08:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert.
WOW.
What a find!
Where did you find it? Was it nearby, or a long drive?
Chris.
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Post# 19923-7/16/2002-08:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!!
MESSAGE: Yes this machine came from my favorite recycler. These guys are great and have been really nice to me and definitely understand the desire to save something cool. Most people in this business do not believe that these machines are anything desirable no matter how much we beg them. One of them said to me I certainly would have hated to see such a beautifully designed machine go to the crusher.
While they do deserve a plate of cookies or have Bob bake them a cake, with the huge amount of money I've paid them for these wonderful machines over the past five years they can certainly afford to go to Lund's and buy some cookies. The only way to get these people to listen is to offer a LOT of money.
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Post# 19924-7/16/2002-09:01 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire WM11
MESSAGE: Here are some pics of my WM11 Pulsamatic. More to come.
I have finally got a Yahoo album up and running.
Chris.
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Post# 19925-7/16/2002-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Great Find!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks Pete, like anything electo-mechanical that is 40 years old its definately going to need some TLC to get it back up and running.
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Post# 19926-7/16/2002-09:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (I am starting to think these machines find you!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, no actually the machine was filthy when I got it home. I'm sure it hasn't been used in at least 25 years. As it came from the recycler I don't know the history of the machine per se, but it appears it came out of the far eastern St. Paul suburbs on the Wisconsin side of the St. Crox river.
It seems like every summer we have a rush of new appliances found and then we go through intermittent dry spells. I think we're in the summer rush again. What will turn up next??
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Post# 19927-7/16/2002-09:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Amazing!!! I was just pouring over pictures hoping I can find a 56 DIF for my coming 56 WI, and that I'd love to find a 56 Pulsamatic/Filtrator pair. There's got to me more Pulsamatics out there, and then you find one! How excellent is that!
-ph
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Post# 19928-7/16/2002-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
I can't wait to see pictures of your new Pulsamatic, would you mind posting a link for everyone to see your Yahoo Album. Thanks.
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Post# 19929-7/16/2002-09:11 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (OOPs.)
MESSAGE: Sorry all, I forgot the link...
Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/Frigidaire+WM11&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 19930-7/16/2002-09:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (Too cool for words!)
MESSAGE: Chris,
That is amazing! Totally cool machine! Who'da thunk Frigidaire would have made a machine like that! Do you have shots of the interior so we can see the porcelain?
-ph
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Post# 19931-7/16/2002-09:18 ||| ryanm (NY)
SUBJECT: Maytag Atlantis VS Kenmore Elite or Amana
MESSAGE: I would like to hear from anyone on their opinions about Kenmore Elite vs Maytag Atlantis and Amana. My Magic Chef dryer is on the fritz after 10 years, and I am considering a new set, rather than fixing the dryer (washer is still working fine). I don't see a way to 'trick' the Maytag atlantis switch so I can see the wash action. The Kenmore runs with lid up, and I know where Amana trip switch is. I am only interested in a top loader which will handle a large load. I have heard good things about Kenmore, and Maytag, but I have also been told there were some transmission issues with the Atlantis. The Amana seems to be built well, is less expensive, and from what I have read seems to have a good track record with repair. Which of these sets do you think will give the best result and less repair? I need a dryer with a GOOD blower, since the Magic Chef has consistantly plugged up my dryer vent line with lint, to the point where it is stuffed, and I have to clean it every few months. I have never had another dryer do this. Any suggestions? I would love to hear your opinions.
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Post# 19932-7/16/2002-09:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (WOW)
MESSAGE: Chris, that is sooo cool. I have never seen anything like it before. I would love to see a picture of the tub and agitator/pulsator.
By the way Frigidaire didn't start using the crown logo until 1957, so I suspect that the machine is actually a '57 model, the same year as the control tower.
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Post# 19933-7/16/2002-10:18 ||| frigemore (Chicago IL area)
SUBJECT: WM-11 Thw Sheer Look Indeed !
MESSAGE: WoW it looks awsome, Now I cant wait so see it run. :-)
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Post# 19934-7/16/2002-10:46 ||| jetaction (Minnepolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite Settings (Thanks for the nice welcome, and all the help!)
MESSAGE: Thanks to all for your ideas-I had used bleach and that may have contributed to the scorching. It was my first attempt using the Ironrite, and the pillowcases and top sheet look great. The fitted sheet was another story!
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Post# 19935-7/16/2002-10:49 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Missing Link)
MESSAGE: Sorry about that Bob, but I have no idea how that "link" got there. Terry
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Post# 19936-7/16/2002-10:51 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (???)
MESSAGE: Why your APEX of course, we can only hope!! Terry
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Post# 19937-7/16/2002-11:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Robert, a wonderful addition to your collection. I think I see that the small control is for the load size, what is the bigger one for?
Louis
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Post# 19938-7/16/2002-11:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (OOPs.)
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,
What a strang washer, especially the top, it looks a little like a barrel. Is it possible you take a picture of the inside? Congratulations on such a rare catch.
Louis
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Post# 19939-7/16/2002-12:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis VS Kenmore Elite or Amana
MESSAGE: I think this discussion belongs either in the Applianceville Sandbox at:
groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox
or at Appliances Forum ofthe Garden Web/That Home Site. The forum has several threads on washers. Follow the link below
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/appl/
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Post# 19940-7/16/2002-12:05 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: Recent classics: RCA, Panasonic, JCPenney, etc.
MESSAGE: Is anyone restoring some more recent classic appliances, like the extremely rare Panasonic line of washers, dryers and dishwashers, as well as JCPenney and RCA (both GE products)?
I believe Panasonic's venture into major appliances was spurred by the emergence of combo-megastores like Circuit City, Best Buy and Silo. I think (but I might be wrong) that their short-lived line of laundry and kitchen appliances for the American market were made by GE, as were the JCPenney laundry pair and the RCA (NOT RCA Whirlpool) line, which vanished after GE realigned their brand lineup with Hotpoint at the bottom and Monogram at the top.
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Post# 19941-7/16/2002-12:56 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite Settings (rotary irons/mangles and fitted sheets)
MESSAGE: I too would be very interested in hearing from Louis or anyone else who iron fitted sheets often how you handle it with a rotary iron. Shirts don't look too difficult either, but I also wonder how tshirt-like clothes could be ironed with such a machine.
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Post# 19942-7/16/2002-12:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Hot or Warm)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, you are correct, the small control under the tall control is the load size selector. The large, taller control is the wash water temperature selector, you have a huge range of choices to choose from: hot or warm :)
One of the very few things that I do not like about the Pulsamatic line and the '57 Unimatic Line is how GM engineers designed the warm water fill system. As opposed to energizing both hot and cold solenoids and mixing the hot/cold water in the valve so warm water enters the tub there is a special sub-increment cam in the timer that alternates the hot and cold flow every 15 seconds. So for 15 seconds it fills hot, then it switches to cold and back to hot again. This is fine for most things, but I'm careful when I washing dark colors to be sure that nothing delicate isn't placed directly under the flow of incoming wash water that will a very hot flow during 50% of the fill cycle. This silly design was used throughout the 55-58 Pulsamatic lines.
The WI-57 Imperial Control-Tower Unimatic line also alternates the warm fills the same way, except there is a theromostat in the fill valve that automatically detects when its time to switch from hot to cold via a metal temperature dectector. This keeps the warm water temperature in the tub at 100F degress whether it's summer or winter. In '58 they quickly went back to a mixing valve style of fill.
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Post# 19943-7/16/2002-13:50 ||| ryanm (NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Atlantis VS Kenmore Elite or Amana
MESSAGE: Sorry, didn't know where else to ask the question. I will go to the link you provided.....
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Post# 19944-7/16/2002-14:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Recent classics: RCA, Panasonic, JCPenney, etc.
MESSAGE: I think this is more of a repair job than a restoration, since parts for the GE/RCA and GE/Penncrest line are readily available. I've passed up a number of JC Penney machines because "they are just GE's" under the hood. This would be another sandbox discussion IMO...
-ph
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Post# 19945-7/16/2002-14:39 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Hot or Warm)
MESSAGE: I remember that alternating hot/cold on the Pulsamatic last August. I thought it was interesting, but rather odd. Somebody on the engineering/design team didn't think about the impact on delicate fabrics and colors 45 years later!
How reliable was the thermostat system that you describe below?
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Post# 19946-7/16/2002-14:50 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (What was the REAL price?)
MESSAGE: You mentioned that the only way to get the recycler to listen was to offer a large sum of money. Can you give us an idea of how much it would acutally cost to get these people to talk?
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Post# 19947-7/16/2002-15:21 ||| earthling177 (Boston, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Hot or Warm)
MESSAGE: If anything, I'd think modern colors are way more resistent to fading (particularly the fiber reactive dyes) and people were more willing to wash at home the more delicate fabrics that nowadays routinely get labeled "dry clean only" even if when you follow the spirit instead of the words of the law, they should be labeled washable or at the very most "dry clean" (The law specifies that *at least one* safe cleaning method must be in the label -- particulars later on mention how and why you can use the "only" part and "dry clean only" or "professional dry clean" is to be used when wet cleaning is not an option). Clearly, an awful lot of fabrics that can be washed safely gets labeled like that today that didn't 50 years or so ago so manufacturers can cover their behinds, the worst case I've seen being the shower curtain liner made out of vinyl, labeled "dry clean only": how are people supposed to shower then? :-)
Similarly, fiber reactive dyes when used correctly will bond to the structure of the fiber and become part of it. Part of the finishing process when dying is actually to rinse off the fabric in warm water to remove the excess, unbonded dye and then wash in very hot water to fix the dye. If you get a garment that has not been rinsed off and then fixed with hot wash, it fades *faster* when washed in cold or even warm than in hot. It's rare that older dyes are used because of the expense, time involved and equipment -- not every mill has it anymore. One of the major exceptions is still indigo blue denim which, while not the original process, is activated differently. I'm told the fiber is actually white right after the dying process and turns blue with exposure to ultraviolet.
What really gets me curious, though, is how much noise (due to water hammer) switching from hot to cold and vice-versa every 15 seconds makes? Or did they actually provide air chambers to avoid the problem?
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Post# 19948-7/16/2002-15:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (Pulsator Envy!)
MESSAGE: What a cool washer that is - a very good find indeed! I want pictures of the inside too - have you run a load through it yet? It looks to be in beautiful shape, best of luck with your new toy!
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Post# 19949-7/16/2002-15:35 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay!
MESSAGE: Here's something that will probably sell for a good price. It's a Hoover Twin Tub portable, early 1960s vintage. If I win, it looks like that seller might ship. Let us hope he does, and I'll be the portable do0d...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2039399774&ssPageName=ADME:B:BN:US:1
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Post# 19950-7/16/2002-15:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite Settings (rotary irons/mangles and fitted sheets)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry, but I don't iron sheets very often. But in the past I have ironed fitted sheets on a rotary ironer regurarly. I started with the part that goes around the mattress, you iron it on one side of the roll. That might be a little more difficult with a machine that has the plate on the bottom, my Bosch has the plate over the roll. After doing that you just iron the middle of the sheet. That works ofcourse only when the roll is not too wide for the sheet.
Shirts are a drama on a rotary ironer, I have somewhere an instruction for my Bosch, but I found it really difficult. T-shirts are easier as long as you don't have t-shirts that are a little out of shape, but ironing those are a pain anyway.
My conclusion is that they are wonderful machines, but mainly suitable for sheets, tablecloths etc. Everything that has a certain form is not really fit for a rotary ironer.
Louis
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Post# 19951-7/16/2002-15:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Odd Fills)
MESSAGE: That is a strange fill system they chose for the Pulsamatic since it wasn't temperature controlled anyway, you'd think the timer would have been simpler and cheaper without that sub-increment controlling the water valve. Maybe they just thought it was "cool."
The 57 Unimatic does a very good job of keeping a consistent temperature, although the alternating hot and cold is a bit odd. The water valve has an adjustment for regulating the warm water temperature which is a very nice bonus as I like a little "warmer" warm. I love feeling the water in the tub as it's filling, you can sort of feel the "layers" of cold and hot/warm water.
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Post# 19952-7/16/2002-15:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite Settings (rotary irons/mangles and fitted sheets)
MESSAGE: My Ironrite book has instructions for doing shirts, even party dresses. I tried a shirt on it once and tossed it right back in the washpile with a better understanding of the term "mangle," but I bet with some practice you could master the technique. I don't iron much of anything except flat things from time to time and it's sort of a huge production to use the Ironrite, maybe someday when I have my dream laundry room!
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Post# 19953-7/16/2002-16:26 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: who is good at eBay?
MESSAGE: What do you guys type in to see such awesome old appliances?
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Post# 19954-7/16/2002-17:54 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Robert, why the silly design?)
MESSAGE: Do you by chance know why they designed it like that? Since I have never seen one of these cool machines in operation, I would have never known. Thanks for teaching.
I wonder if it had something to do with water pressure, and the way hot water tanks were back then. One of the houses that I lived in growing up had a very, very old Ruud hot water tank. It had the worst pressure in the world for hot water, even though our cold water had a very strong pressure. I can remember when doing wash, when you selected warm, you would have to switch the controls on the washer from cold to hot until you could hear the tank acutally letting hot water out. (It was in the same room as the washer) Once you could feel hot water coming in the washer, you could put it back on warm, and you would then have warm water. My mom argued with my dad to replace the tank after a plumber told her it was because of the design of the tank, and not a plumbing problem. Dad did not want to replace it because the interior tank was made out of whatever nickels are made out of, and that it would last forever. The hot water tank was very noisy, you could hear the inner tank expanding, and it was a very loud knocking sound.
I am sure that Frigidare had a reason for it doing that. The timer seems like it would be more complex by doing that.
Does in not mention it in any of the operation instructions that were for the machines back then.
Very interesting.
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 19955-7/16/2002-18:22 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: This model is not from the early 60's but the mid 70's.If it had been from the 60's,it would have an aluminum wash tub not pollymer like this one has.this one is one of the newer and last models Hoover made.i'd estimate about a 1973-1974 period piece.
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Post# 19956-7/16/2002-18:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (WOW!!!)
MESSAGE: HI Robert
Congratulations on the Pulsamatic....it's beautiful! What a wonderful and rare addition to your collection.
Rich
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Post# 19957-7/16/2002-18:33 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (OOPs.)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures, Chris! What an UNUSUAL machine! Very cool and looks very modern for 1955, even though it looks like a wringer machine sans the wringer. Open the lid and take some more pictures!
Rich
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Post# 19958-7/16/2002-18:37 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (what will turn up next?)
MESSAGE: Uni says: "It seems like every summer we have a rush of new appliances found and then we go through intermittent dry spells. I think we're in the summer rush again. What will turn up next??"
Rich says: "Oh please, please, please,....a 55 Frigidaire Imperial!"
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Post# 19959-7/16/2002-18:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Hot or Warm)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, I find the WI-57 thermostatic valve to be extremely accurate even with its odd system of delivery. I have mine turned down because I like my warm water to be very cool.
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Post# 19960-7/16/2002-18:51 ||| daveuk (Livingston)
SUBJECT: what on earth is this?
MESSAGE: Was just going through Ebay US having a nosy at the washers/dryers and came across this little machine - a Naxonette. Have any of you ever seen one of these? It looks most odd.
I also found on German Ebay an old wooden tub Miele washer...
Dave
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2037858934
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Post# 19961-7/16/2002-18:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (What was the REAL price?)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom,
My best advice is to just know that if you go into any appliance place and offer to pay them $20 for a machine that they have to keep an eye out for they are not going to p
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Post# 19962-7/16/2002-21:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Server Lost Our Current Pink TOC Page
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone, unfotunately the server had a bad error and erased our Current Pink TOC Page which brought Applianceville to a complete stop until I manually recreated a temporary Pink TOC Page. This happened to us once before about 10,000 posts ago. Hopefully everything will be fine, the posts are all intact, just the titles are gone from this current page.
:(
Ah life as a webmaster.
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Post# 19963-7/16/2002-22:09 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (You got that right...)
MESSAGE: I would have to agree to that, Robert. It may be an expensive hobby, but any of these old machines are deffinately worth preserving.
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Post# 19964-7/16/2002-22:14 ||| MrCoffee (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: Well, I still haven't seen one of them listed on E-Bay before. So, they can't be as common as, say, a wringer. I did look to me, however, that it none the less will make a good collectable for someone who's into classic old portables.
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Post# 19965-7/16/2002-22:17 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite Settings (Open Ended Shoe)
MESSAGE: What made the Ironrite unique was its shoe that was open at both ends. Most mangles of its time had the motor directly connected to the roller. I've tried to iron on a couple of those and it is a pain to do it.
As as example, I wear a medium to large size shirt. Part of the trick is getting the dampness right. I'll partially dry my shirts, spray them with starch and put them in a trash bag and then into the fridge for a couple of hours. It seems to help the moisture penetrate the fabric.
I'll heat the Ironrite about 10-15 minutes. Start with the back of the shirt first, running it through to the collar and pressing the yoke. Then do each front side, pressing again over pockets and buttonhole areas. I do each sleeve and depending on your preference press the cuff flat, or form it around the roller. Finally, press the collar on both sides. (Pressing means stopping the roller for a few seconds, then releasing it.)
For fitted sheets, the Ironrite's shoe has "points" on each side, so much like a regular steam iron, you use these to iron the pockets of the sheet. You finish the rest of the sheet like regular flatwork.
T-shirts and polo shirts can be placed around the shoe and ironed much like a tube, taking care around the sleeve openings. You press the sleeves and collars like a regular shirt.
Yes, I do use mine a lot! Most of my friends think I'm rather nuts about it, but at least I'm not "re-buying" my shirts at the laundry every week!!! LOL
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Post# 19966-7/16/2002-22:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Pink GE combo in CA
MESSAGE: Check out the ad in the classified section - seller lists a pink GE refrigerator and matching washer/dryer combo.
Could be a real find - PINK!!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/CLASSIFIEDS/Forsale.htm
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Post# 19967-7/16/2002-22:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Ironrite Settings (Open Ended Shoe)
MESSAGE: My mother and I ironed some large pieces of 54" wide fabric on my Ironrite and the open shoe is very nice for larger, flat items, less turning and handling of the pieces - just pull it to the front and continue with the next "section."
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Post# 19968-7/16/2002-22:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: I have two Hoover portables, one of which is going to Scott very soon, and a Maytag twin-tub washer. They are very fun to play with. This one on Ebay is the standard model, there was also a Deluxe model that had an automatic rinse feature and a moveable spout for filling the wash tub and rinsing.
Here's a scan of a brochure that I've had for years of the Deluxe version, from the late 70's or very early 80's. Hoover discontinued US distribution sometime in the early 80's, but I think still sold them in Canada for a while longer.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.src=ph&.dnm=Hoover+Washer.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Ads%2bArticles%2bBrochures%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 19969-7/17/2002-02:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (what will turn up next?)
MESSAGE: Bob says, "Oh please please please, a 58 WCI!!!
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Post# 19970-7/17/2002-02:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Hot or Warm)
MESSAGE: Yes, Robert, I noticed when I did my wash in the WCI 58 you do like your warm water rather tepid. I ended up adding quite a bit of hot water to the mixture so that it would be a wram enough feeling for me. But each to his own.
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Post# 19971-7/17/2002-07:13 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay!
MESSAGE: Hi Mr Coffee.
Whilst that looks like a good example, it is not an early sixties machine. I only know the Australian models, but it looks like an early eighties machine to me. In Aus the plastic washtub ones were the base model, the stainless tub ones also had Auto-rinse. (called Hoovermatic Deluxe)
Chris.
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Post# 19972-7/17/2002-07:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: POD 7/17/2002-Laundromat 25
MESSAGE: Anthony, is this the same washer you have just found??? I had hoped this was the one you had found. It IS very RARE according to Tom Turbomatic. Gay holiday colors???
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Post# 19973-7/17/2002-07:31 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg.
That is a great brochure. That looks like a lift up rinse nozzle inside the spin lid. (?) in Aus that design was only used a couple of years. Then it was simplified, the fill hose had a plastic fitting on the end which fitted into a socket on the centre of the spin lid. The socket had a series of slots in the bottom to spray the water evenly over the clothes in the spin can. The lift up nozzle wasn't as even, and tended to get tangled in the rubber spin mat if the spin can was a bit over-stuffed.
How easy is it to get parts for these in USA? Parts are easy to find and cheap over here. Hoovermatics are still widely used and well respected over here.
Chris.
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Post# 19974-7/17/2002-07:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (ATC before ATC?)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire was 30 years ahead of its time if it had ATC.
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Post# 19975-7/17/2002-07:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: When I was at that place over in a Iowa a month ago, they used to sell lots of Hoover washers & dryers and still had lots of them sitting around that all needed work, mostly pumps. Parts are no longer available here for these machines.
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Post# 19976-7/17/2002-07:53 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: If anyone ever needs Hoover twin tub parts, I'm happy to send them over. The pumps can be one of three types - earliest no longer available (seperate wash and spin pumps), first pump shared between wash and spin had a valve built in to the top of the pump housing (to select spin or wash to empty) the later one had a rubber pinch valve attached to the top of the pump housing. The pinch valve type always pumped the spinner, and opened a rubber valve to allow the washtub to empty into the pump. The pinch valve type may be unique to Aus??
Chris.
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Post# 19977-7/17/2002-08:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: No, the pinch valve was very common here too. Thanks for your offer, I've not worked on the Deluxe Hoover that I have, but when I do......
Thanks again! Greg
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Post# 19978-7/17/2002-08:03 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (Pulsator Envy!)
MESSAGE: I have added a photo of the interior and a shot of the ID plate. The Date Code is 08D - does that mean anything to anyone?
The interior shot was when I drilled and re-tapped the pulsator nut. It was the last shot on the film, more shots are still in the camera. I have now repaired the agitator column, and resprayed it. It looks great, if I say so myself! I am a bit worried about the pulsator, I have felt around underneath it, it feels like there are a couple of cracks forming underneath. Is it possible to remove it and repair it with some goo? I'd hate a bit to break off. If so, how do you remove it? I followed Uni's great advice, I poured very hot water over the tub nut, then it unscrewed easily. But the pulsator looks there to stay...
I have found Essteele Stainless Steel pot cleaner contains the same active ingredient (sulphamic acid)as CLR, but as a powder I feel I would have more control over using it than splashing a corrosive liquid around. So I will try it on the enamel. The tub looks better in the photo - the base of the tub is best, it gets worse higher up.
Thanks for your help.
Chris.
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Post# 19979-7/17/2002-08:09 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (Pulsator Envy!)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I forgot the link again.
And I meant pulsator nut, not tub nut.
Chris.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/lst?.dir=/Frigidaire+WM11&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 19980-7/17/2002-08:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (Pulsator Envy!)
MESSAGE: When I was out on the farm tearing apart the last of the Unimatics with the same pulsator hold-down nut (the aluminum cone shaped nut on top of the pulsator) I broke the agitator shaft getting it off. Of course, I had no access to hot water, only a torch that would melt your pulsator top in this case. You can try the hot water trick on this nut again, it might take some time, but they do come off. If you want a new pulsator, you can get a replacement part - not orginal Frigidaire part, an after-market product that will work fine - from Larry at Modern Parts in Parma, OH. (216)661-6966. I bought a couple of these and aside from being a darker gray color, they are the same part. Last I knew, he still had a few left.
The link is to your picture of the pulsator & tub.
LINK: http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire+WM11&.dnm=interior.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/gizmo_au63/vwp%3f.dir=/Frigidaire%2bWM11%26.dnm=transmission.jpg%26.src=ph
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Post# 19981-7/17/2002-08:16 ||| brent-aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (It looks Great! How does it fill Chris?)
MESSAGE: I think that the tub looks great.
I am very amazed at how good shape that machine is in for it's age and use it has had. I love the shape of the machine.
How does it fill with water? I could not tell on the little control switch if there was a fill position.
That is a very cool machine. I think that the tub looks great!
Brent
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Post# 19982-7/17/2002-08:30 ||| Gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (It looks Great! How does it fill Chris?)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent.
It's fully manual...The hoses connect to the hot and cold taps, to a t-piece and to a single inlet hose. The hose clamps on to a fill pipe behind the control switch. There is a tiny rubber fill flume in the top. You turn on the taps, water comes in. When full, turn off the taps!
Hi Greg - Thanks for the lead to Modern Parts. Are they on the net, or can you give me a postal address please? About how much do the non-genuine pulsators cost?
I have got the nut off already, it's the pulsator itself that looks stuck. I tried lifting it off, but it's firm. I don't want to tear it apart trying to remove it.
Chris.
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Post# 19983-7/17/2002-09:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (Pictures)
MESSAGE:
Oh, Robert - this is really incredible! And it really looks to be in nice shape. Perhaps Minneapolis should be dubbed the vintage washer capitol of the US. After all, you have found some of the rarest 50's washers including the Philco Automagic, the Norge Timeline and now this!!! Wonderful.......
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Post# 19984-7/17/2002-09:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 7/17/2002-Laundromat 25
MESSAGE: I was wondering the same thing Anthony, I believe this is the machine you described finding the other day. TomTubro is correct, this machine is extremely RARE.
As far as I'm concerned all the colors in my basement are Gay Holiday Colors :)
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Post# 19985-7/17/2002-09:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Control Tower PULSAMATIC Found Today!! (ATC before ATC?)
MESSAGE: Jason, ATC water temperature valves were invented in 1936 by an engineer at Bendix.
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Post# 19986-7/17/2002-09:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (Pulsator Envy!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Stuck pulsators are a common problem. Here is what you need to do, since you've got the Pulsator hold down Nut off already pour more hot water over the top of the pulsator and threaded shaft. Then it needs to be rocked back and forth from all sides appling pressure from the base. It may take a few minutes of rocking, but it will come off.
When you get the machine back together I would love to see a picture of the entire tub and pulsator. Thanks for posting those pictures. The date code doesn't tell us much, but the 8 might mean 1958.
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Post# 19987-7/17/2002-09:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WM11 (It looks Great! How does it fill Chris?)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Modern Parts House
7719 Brookpark Road
Parma, Ohio, 44129 USA
Larry does not have a web site, I'm not sure how much he charges now for those pulsators, you'll have to ask him.
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Post# 19988-7/17/2002-09:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Today's POD - What a Coincidence!!!
MESSAGE: Well , today's POD coincides with my find last week. The only difference is that mine is white and is apparently a 1955 model as the owner noted on the use and care manual - - "installed 6/21/55". Just brought mine home, but there is one large problem. Apparently one of the brackets supporting the bottom of the outer drum broke off at the point where it was welded to the outer drum. So, we will have to see about this. Other smaller items are the rubber boot around the door and drum opening was so brittle it crumbled when I moved the machine and the original hoses were as brittle. Looks like this had not been used for years, but there is no rust on the inner or outer drum and the inside workings look clean. I don't think this ever got really heavy use.
Hope I can get that bracket thing fixed..........
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Post# 19989-7/17/2002-09:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD - What a Coincidence!!! (JB Weld)
MESSAGE: Yes what and what coincidence :) it is.
Anthony go to the hardware store and pick up some JB Weld. Get the long drying stuff as you will need the extra strength version. This probably will be strong enough to hold it after a few days of drying. After you get that fixed we can work on the boot issue. I think its the same boot that is used on the later 25" straight front stackable models. Larry might have one of those boots, you might want to give him a call.
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Post# 19990-7/17/2002-11:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: PeterH
MESSAGE: This is an emergency. I need you to get in touch with me via email (in my profile). Need some hospitality industry advice asap. Can you email me your work number. Bob
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Post# 19991-7/17/2002-13:53 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: what on earth is this? (Strange, Huh?)
MESSAGE: Do you think that it could have any relation to a Frigidaire Pulsator?
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Post# 19992-7/17/2002-14:56 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: Correct Convention count?
MESSAGE: Convention is only a month away! !!YAY!! Below is the list of who is planning to attend. If it needs to be corrected please let me know.
Has everyone made plans for transportation? The day before convention is going to be very busy for everyone so there will be limited time to get people from airports. We need to know in advance if someone will need to be picked up.
Jason
Brent Aucoin
Scott Onasch---Needs Transport
Ken and Jim
Glen---Needs Transport
George and Jeff---Will have car
Chris Williams
Terry Lattz---Needs Transport
Bob Amerman
Peter S
Louis
Doug Canale
Robert
Greg Nunn
Peter H
Steve & Rhinnie
Jimmy
Rich & Gary
Me
Leslie
Paulo
Cheryl & Jamie
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Post# 19993-7/17/2002-15:06 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris
I collect vintage washers here in the U.K, and have a few Hoovermatics from the early 60's. Our Hoover T/T machines held a stainless steel wash tub right through to the end in 1988.
I have one @ the momment from 1965 Model 3334 which needs a spin bearing (resiliant mount). It is the whole rubber surround i need which had a triangular shape piece of metal surround??
Although these machines are still in use in this country, they a rapidly going. If you need more info on the part drop me a line.
Thanks
Keith
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Post# 19994-7/17/2002-15:11 ||| Jetaction (Minnepolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Correct Convention count? (Add my name to convention)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, I made airline reservations last evening, and will firm up hotel tonight. Please add my name to the list.
Thanks-Don (Jetaction)
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Post# 19995-7/17/2002-15:33 ||| joeekaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: what on earth is this? (Now, they make Crock-Pots)
MESSAGE: Naxon Utilities was acquired by Rival Industries, a maker of small appliances. One of Naxon's products, The Beanery, intrigued Rival's engineers. It consisted of a crockery vessel that slipped into a steel heating base. Left on all day, The Beanery's only purpose was making baked beans in one step instead of having to soak, then precook, then simmer the beans.
Rival tweaked it, made it bigger, added a few more windings of the wraparound heating element and, voila! The Crock-Pot Slow Cooker was born. :)
LINK: http://www.crockpot.com/support_files/about/about.htm
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Post# 19996-7/17/2002-15:59 ||| imperialbob (ARLINGTON, VIRGINIA)
SUBJECT: RE: Correct Convention count? (CONVENTION COUNT)
MESSAGE: I'll be there on Friday night, and I live in the area of the Convention. Also, the Sunday leg of the convention will be held at my house, so , Yes, I'll be here for that too.
Hope to see many of you there.
BEST
BOB
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Post# 19997-7/17/2002-16:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Correct Convention count? (internet bookings)
MESSAGE: I see reservations out there at the Holiday Inn College Park for 9 names I recognize. If you haven't reserved your room with the 21 day advance purchase on the internet, you need to do it soon!
-ph
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Post# 19998-7/17/2002-18:18 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Correct Convention count? (Add my name to convention)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
Add my name to the list as well, am confirming the flight this week and will be staying at the Holiday in as well, will also be looking to share transport and expenses etc...
Mike
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Post# 19999-7/17/2002-18:20 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: A genuine Hoover Twin Tub portable on E-Bay! (hoover spinner twin tub)
MESSAGE: Hi Keith
Glad you found the site, good luck with the spin bearing, looks like Chris might be able to help!!!!
Mike