The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 32000-8/30/2003-20:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: My mom has been using a dishwasher since 1959. Even now, in a retirement community with 2 meals a day and just a D&N 18" dishwasher, she & my dad use that thing to accummulate the stuff they do use and hten run it. She's never liked being without a dishwaher. As for dryers, her 1964 Norge and 1979 GE dryers as well as a 1975 Kenmore all had either auto dry or electronic control sensors. She didn't use the cycles except timed dry. Not until the 1995 Dependable Care with electronic control did she start using auto dry. Prior to that, her rule of thumb was if it didn't dry in 45 minutes, stuff got draped around the house. Her rationale was that her 1954 Norge dryer dried stuff in 45 minutes max. So why shouldn't other machines (this is despite the fact loads had just about doubled in size).
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Post# 32001-8/30/2003-20:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Anthony, I'm not sure you remember, but in months of mid-November through mid-February, my water consumption is used to calculate my sewar rate & water rate for the year. I have to use 2000 gallons or less each of those 3 months or I'll be socked big time. I always run full loads of dishes and keep any sink washing to a n absolute minimum because of each time needing hot water, I have to purge and waste water at the kitchen sink. I try to limit myself to between 15 & 20 loads maximum each month during that time and absolutely no 2nd rinses for anything. That's why I use HE deterg3ents on stuff (towels & jeans) that are difficult to rinse out. One year I had to take my wash to the laundromat for two of those months to save water due to an unexpected early meter reading and a yard watering got caught in the "forbidden" timeframe. I only used 600 gallons of water max either of those two months. The remaining 1100 to 1400 gallons of water I would have normally used are attributed to my laundry--no other habits changed. So, this is why I'm hoping some day to have a front loader (HE3t) or other machine with a supplemental heater.
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Post# 32002-8/30/2003-21:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Laundry gets done here once a week, whether it needs it or not. That's what water levels are for. I can't stand dirty clothes lying about the house.
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Post# 32003-8/30/2003-21:36 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Our water bill is always $28 a month, and it says we use 4 "units" of water. I wish I knew how much water there is in a unit, for curiosity's sake.
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Post# 32004-8/30/2003-23:17 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Scott....a unit is generally 1000 gallons of water in most municipalities. My water bill is always for 4 units, and they translate it to 4,000 gallons.
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Post# 32005-8/31/2003-00:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing)
MESSAGE: That annoys me too, I have finally got my family to only scrape off the large chunks and leave grease and sauce on the dishes. It is also bad for the dishes if a cycle is run on fairly clean dishes, the detergent etches the glasses and possibly other things too. Now I have to tell my dad to latch the dishwasher AFTER turning the timer. (that CAN'T be good for the motor, having to reveres 5 times in a row.)
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Post# 32006-8/31/2003-00:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: One of the main reasons we replaced our old GE was that it had no auto dry. (not to mention the timer went and the element broke:-( but before the timer and element failed, we were looking to replace it anyway, for the sole reason that it had no auto dry. Since we have had our Maytag, we have NEVER used the time dry.
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Post# 32007-8/31/2003-00:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Us too, I do one load every week, whether or not I have run out of clothes, I do a load once a week. My mom on the other hand does 5-7 loads once every 3-4 weeks. For one thing, I don't have enough clothes to last 3-4 weeks:-) And I can't go that long without running the washer/dryer:-)
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Post# 32008-8/31/2003-01:35 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Thanks. Wow, guess one does not realize how much water they can go through, but if you stop and think about all the ways...
Gives me new appreciation for what Bob faces.
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Post# 32009-8/31/2003-01:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: ...exactly!
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Post# 32010-8/31/2003-05:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use)
MESSAGE: And that's the OTHER problem! People still think that washing dishes by hand is less "wasteful" than using a dishwasher when in actuality the way most people hand wash dishes is WAY more wasteful than using a dishwasher. I also catch this same roommate washing items like Tupperware by hand because he says "it takes up too much room" in dishwasher, to which I reply to him "So what,it doesn't matter how much space it takes up so long as it fits in there!" I often find plastic containers in the drain rack with that greasy film on them they often have when hand washed and I have to run it through the dishwasher to get it off.
Sigh....
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Post# 32011-8/31/2003-05:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yeah, that seems to be another problem. Another roommate seems to have a different sense of "touch" than everyone else, and insists the clothes aren't "dry" when the dryer finishes a load on the "Normal" Automatic setting when everyone else who uses the dryer at the setting is satisfied. But, instead of adjusting the Auto setting toward a drier setting, she dries the load on the Normal Automatic setting, then dries it 20 minutes more on the Manual timed setting (my 1st generation LadyK electronic dryer only has 3 manual timed settings, 20, 40, and 60 minutes), overdrying the clothes and wasting gas.
Then there are the people who do use the Auto Dry setting, but can't believe that the dryer will actually stop when the load is dry and keep "checking" for dryness. On my LadyK, if this is done at a certain point in the cycle, it will then stop before the clothes are actually dry, and they have to be finished on a manual time setting, trying to finish the drying on an auto setting won't work, dryer stops after about 2 minutes.
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Post# 32012-8/31/2003-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: So what did you get for Granny to replace the Speed Queen? Speed Queen still had a timed fill? When was this?
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Post# 32013-8/31/2003-05:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (water unit)
MESSAGE: Read the fine print on the bill, somewhere there should be an explanation of what a "unit" of water is. If not, call them up and ask. Here in Los Angeles, they use the common measurement of Cubic Feet for water.
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Post# 32014-8/31/2003-10:09 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT:
Chat Room
MESSAGE: I will be in the chat room between 11.30 pm 31 august and 12 am 1st september uk time hope to see you there HBMUK
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Post# 32015-8/31/2003-10:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I think the majority of solid tub Speed Queen washers had timed fill. Some of the later upper end models had water levels and a metered fill, which surprised me because I didn't know you could have that kind of fill with a solid tub, and someone here did explain to me how it worked.
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Post# 32016-8/31/2003-10:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
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RE: Chat Room
MESSAGE: As a reference point, central time in the US is 6 hours earlier than UK time, so it would be 5-8 hours earlier than the time HBMUK listed here in the US.
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Post# 32017-8/31/2003-10:30 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: This was in 1974,the Speed Queen was a solid tub with timed fill-even had an extra fill spot on the timer but her water pressure was so low even that was not adequate.Oddly enough,the water supply tank for our little home town was on the hill directly behind her house-100 yards from her back door-but the way the system was built the water went all the way across town and back before she got any-she was the last customer on the line!The town promised to improve the pressure but never did.Replaced the SQ with a Whirlpool.
Tom
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Post# 32018-8/31/2003-10:55 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
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RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I will defer to the guys in our group who are really knowledgeable,but for a solid tub machine to have true water levels it would have to have a weight switch I would think-as the tub settles from the weight of the water in the tub it activates the switch to turn off the water and start agitation.How about itGuys?
Tom
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Post# 32019-8/31/2003-12:13 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
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RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hey Mulls I think a small amt of water was diverted to a cyliner equipped with a pressure switch. when the cylinder that was receiving a small amt of water was full the tub was full, the cylinder had a solenoid that dumped this "water measurement at the begin of spin... Someone on here explained this to us one time, but it was a quite a long time ago.. SQ's were always high on the drama for me. I beleive member Gansky has some SQ's, he has pictures of their lint filter systems and dispenser systems. check his site and pictures.
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Post# 32020-8/31/2003-13:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Call the water/utility dept. they can answer that question. Wouldn't surprise me it's 1000 gallons/unit. If that's the case, my water may be cheaper than yours.
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Post# 32021-8/31/2003-13:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Hmm. Mine is in 100s of gallons rather than 1000s of gallons. My next door neighbors (an eledrly couple) uses about 3 of your units a month during non-yard-watering season. Comparable period I use 1.6 to 1.8 units. I do more laundry than they do too.
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Post# 32022-8/31/2003-13:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Well to say my laundry endeavors are legendary around these parts is an understatement. I believe the longest I can go without doing at least one load is 3-4 weeks. I usually wait until I run out of whatever I am using, be it linens, towels, shirts, slacks, undies, clothes I wear in the yard, sweats ... As far as I know, Brent is the only one who can rival me or surpass me. We both have tons of clothes. Yesterday I did 6 loads and hardly watched any of them. I just find my shredmore ho-hum boring. This is the longest I've ever had any washer in my lifetime. Laundry is almsot a chore in a way. When I visited Steve & Rhinnie b4 the convention last year, they'd saved up laundry for 3 weeks for me to do in all those wonderful vintage machines. I did ten loads that day. The pile I had to sort through simply made me feel at home. If anyone is curious, there are pic under member's links of appnut's mega-laundry of wash done at my house AFTER the winter sewar consumption is calculated. I postpone as much wash as I can during that time.
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Post# 32023-8/31/2003-13:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use)
MESSAGE: Plastic stuff just doesn't come osqueaky clean unlesss it's done in a dishwasher, even with Dawn. But then, since I don't pre-rinse, I'm not all that used to going through the motions of properly handwashing anything LOL. Hmm, if I have to wash something by hand, maybe I should imagine the object is a furry man
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Post# 32024-8/31/2003-13:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I have a great suggestion. Put a sign out that says "Do not open dryer until machine has stopped". Use "more dry" setting on dryness level to get clothes dryer than on "normal" setting. DUH.
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Post# 32025-8/31/2003-13:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Scott, remember certain Custom Imperial Frigidaires had a variable wter level feature too for a short time. (Solid tub ones)
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Post# 32026-8/31/2003-15:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Yes they did, bit was not a pressure switch. As the dial was turned for the water level, it moved a mechanical disc inside the timer thus slowing the time or increasing the time (much like the old Zenith Cobramatic record changers). Other models had two load sizes, large (full) and small. The lever going into the timer simply moved the motor gear to a larger or smaller gear. With water pressure in most cities, the tub filled at least half full on the small setting anyway. The full setting usually put in too much water, which is why Frigidaire wanted you to put the detergent in the agitator so it wouldn't wash overboard on the first fill if you had a full load of clothes. In reality, there wasn't much of a variable between the small load and full. (just a half a tub of water) On the small load, the wash cycle was also shortened because the water fill time was shortened since the timer was running faster. It would have been a much better system to have the load sizes on the actual timer dial like some of the other manufacturers so that the rinses would have had a full tub of water to rinse in....but then, they didn't ask me! Mark
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Post# 32027-8/31/2003-15:32 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark,Wow-havent heard Cobramatic mentioned in years-you must be one who appreciates old console stereos as do I.I am having a problem with one now-would you be willing to give advice thru phone or e-mail?
Tom
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Post# 32028-8/31/2003-18:15 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Pre-Treat's and Laundry Additives:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, I've been trying to remember and find the Posting about some mentioning of some Pre-Treat and Additives, for Laundring White's especially. From what I do remember of the Posting, there was mention of White King-D {I think} and a few other older Brands of products. I would really appreciate it if the Member who Posted the products listings, to please either re-post or if you know of the Posting Number, to reference it again, so myself and other's could re-read the Posting again, for the info.
Thank You and Peace, Steve
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Post# 32029-9/1/2003-00:47 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (Frigidaire Spray Tubes)
MESSAGE: I dunno...werent pretty much all old dishwashers not superior cleaners? I remember my Grandad's '62 Frigidaire built-in was a particularly poor performer - everything always came out way spotted.
I dont remember hearing "no need to pre-rinse" until very recent years, within a decade or so.
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Post# 32030-9/1/2003-10:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, LOL)
MESSAGE: LOL !!!!!!!!!!! , that is fr**gg*** funny ............ DUH !!! hahahahahaha, .............
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Post# 32031-9/1/2003-10:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: WP dw cleanability
MESSAGE: I had a 1970 top load Whirlpool dishwasher and although awkward and difficult to load with its own upper spray arm and small upper rack, did a GREAT job, you could put burnt on stuck on dishes and they would come clean ..........
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Post# 32032-9/1/2003-10:18 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: water softener
MESSAGE: since we put in a water softener for the well water, what a HUGE, I mean HUGE difference in everything, ....... less detergent, better washing, dishes, laundry, etc ...
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Post# 32033-9/1/2003-10:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds
MESSAGE: coin up Speed Queen washer, early eighties
1961 Admiral 30" elec range with rotissirie (works!!)
1960 Kenmore dryer (looks and works great)
pics to follow ...........
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Post# 32034-9/1/2003-10:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I think most older solid tubs are time filled ??
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Post# 32035-9/1/2003-10:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (Frigidaire Spray Tubes(calgonite?))
MESSAGE: remember "Calgonite" ?? and the commercials with the animated "spotmaker" ?? which would say .... > "i'm the spotmaker, I live in your dishwasher, streaking and spotting dishes, (and would then shreak) OH NO !! CALGONITE" .... (then you would hear a woman's voice) > "thats right spotmaker!" ........
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Post# 32036-9/1/2003-10:59 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing)
MESSAGE: I like my Whirl-more-aid dishwasher- it is an old mongrolized 20-something portable dishwasher, with a Kenmore door, ( lots of NEAT buttons..) a power-filter pump & motor ( Whirlpool ),
& a Kitchen-Aid Hydrosweep (?) washarm- Aside from missing a stray spagetti noodle hanging on the top rack once in awhile, It works great! Pre-rinse ?? never do it !! But is there really a difference between Powder & Liquid detergents? & a difference between brand names? I used to be stuck on Cascade complete, but now use Electrosol-
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Post# 32037-9/1/2003-15:02 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: COOL MAG PIXS
MESSAGE: The Sept. 2003 issue of "Gourmet" magazine has great pictures of vintage TV shows with lots of appliance shots on pages 33-37 and some staged shots on 131-138.
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Post# 32038-9/1/2003-16:17 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I also have a collection of console phonographs that I've restored. Of course I'll be glad to offer any advice that I can. Don't worry, we'll get it up and running again!!!Mark
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Post# 32039-9/1/2003-19:26 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark-thanks up front-it is a minor problem.How may I contact you?
Tom
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Post# 32040-9/1/2003-19:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Actually, I do use the "Sign" system to the roommates, since I'm the one in charge of house maitenance in oreder to inform everyone about things. I've already had to post a sign about the washer not to mix heavy towels with light sheets to keep the it from becoming unbalanced, and so that the dryer doesn't stop before the heavy items are dry or vice versa, depending on the mix of light versus heavy fabrics or cotton versus synthetic fabrics
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Post# 32041-9/1/2003-21:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Yes that's correct Bob. I did not know about that until much later either, since being part of this club. I think that first happened in 1966, one year after our second Frigidaire, the WCI-65, was made.
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Post# 32042-9/1/2003-21:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark I'm not sure if it was on all models or just upper end, but in post-Unimatic years something was changed in the timer so that the cycle time was not compromised by the short fill. My 1960 machine (Custom Imperial) has this.
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Post# 32043-9/1/2003-21:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Congratulations! We'll look forward to the pictures! :)
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Post# 32044-9/1/2003-21:51 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is????
MESSAGE: Well, I had a 50's Maytag years ago. It was ok. It's main feature was that it was very simple - just a cycle dial and a temperature dial. It was in an unheated garage with cold water only. It started depositing gray/brown spots on whites; I thought the transmission might be leaking. Eventually when I moved I gave it to charity. Now I realize it could have simply been mold dropping down from around the underside of the top cover. It was very easy to work on - I replaced the motor at one point. I think it cost all of $35 (in 1983).
I have a 70's GE Filter-Flo. It doesn't turn over or wash as well as my old '83 belt drive Whirlpool with the super surgilator. Now that was a good top loader. The GE is ok, and I like the lint filter. Now I have a Neptune 7500 and I don't think I will ever willingly go back to a top loader - unless it was just for fun like a Unimatic.
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Post# 32045-9/1/2003-22:49 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: And Now a word from our sponsor WESTINGHOUSE!!!
MESSAGE: Everyone,
Yes I'm still alive, but I have a question. If we have some unwanted pic's/ad's for appliances that we have found in magazines, is there a person whom I can send them to so they can be posted here. I would HATE to see them wasted. I have several pic's from the 1950's and 60's that I would like to share with all.
I still have my Westinghouse SpaceMates, and the Frigidaire 1-18's, but have recentlygave to freinds the Lady Kenmores from 1966.
I never went for the 19770's Lady K because room and finances did not permit it. Hopefully someone else got it.
Sorry I haven't been posting as much. Work cracked down on interpersonal internet usage to the hilt. You cant even check the weather without hearing about it. So I will check back eventually
Take Care all,
Chad
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Post# 32046-9/1/2003-22:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember GE bragging in the 60's about no pre-rinsing.
Spots aren't the same (at least to me) as not being clean, that was usually due to not using a rinse aid more than a failing of the machine.
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Post# 32047-9/1/2003-22:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Gee, they were still making top load dishwashers in 1970?
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Post# 32048-9/1/2003-22:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (powder vs liquid dishwasher detergents)
MESSAGE: powders still work the best.
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Post# 32049-9/1/2003-23:03 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Front Loader (Westinghouse Door Question)
MESSAGE: TCOX,
I believe that around 1970 or so they brought back the Weight To Save door on all models. Westinghouse really screwed up in 1964, taking that door away. I mean if it wasn't such a popular item, why did they add a "Weight to Save" scale on the lids of the Top Loaders. I have seen a Westy top loader with this feature so I know I'm NOT dreaming this up.
My 1972 Westinghouse Laundromat Spacemate has the drop down door. But the dryer has the same dryer door that they still use today on some models. No window....bummer. The reason that this couldn't happen is becasue of the VAC-U-DRY system introduced on the 1964 models. This dryer remained relatively (i'm sure i spelled this wrong)unchanged until White came before Westinghosue and even Frigidaire used this dryer design.
In fact for anyone that's interested please visit Yahoo groups and type in Westinghouse. I have a site ther that is just for this brand. So look at it. If anyone here has any infor that they wish to put there please do so!!!
Thanks Chad
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Post# 32050-9/1/2003-23:06 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Heck yeah! Girlfriend of mine has a KitchenAid TL in harvest gold, so you know it has to be '69 to early '70s.
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Post# 32051-9/1/2003-23:07 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: As early as that, eh? I was trying to remember what press/marketing there was about the Potscrubber in the 70s.
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Post# 32052-9/1/2003-23:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: oh yes, I know they were around in diminished numbers perhaps until at least 1973 or 4. KA also had a non-convertible frontloader called the "Royal Portable". It had the latch on the front lid like a KD 16, but the controls were on the back like a toploader.
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Post# 32053-9/1/2003-23:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Frigidaire Water Level Tricks)
MESSAGE: Only the upper end models (Imperial series) had this feature, and it only reduced the wash fill level. Most of the other models that had a load size selector did change the escapement in the timer to reduce the amount of the water fill (and thus all phases of the cycle) by 1/3 so you still got a 2/3 water fill. With the over flow wash and rinse phases, the water level would just reach the top of the tub before pausing for spin. In the metered fill models, also offered in some Custom series machines (Jimmy has one in a Custom Deluxe) they used a separate small tank that filled with water as the tub was filling. This was measured by the pressure switch to allow for positive-fill in low water pressure applications and more flexibility with normal pressure. The pump in these machines was different from the other models in that it only pumped water from the outer tub when the motor reversed for spin phases so the water in the tank wouldn't be pumped out when agitation begins which would have caused the pressure switch to add more water. The water from the overflow periods was simply "stored" in the outer tub until spinning commenced.
Speed Queen used a similar tank type measuring method in their metered fill machines but it emptied the tank with a solenoid valve that opened during the pause increments before spin in the later reversing motor machines. You could hear the solenoid open the valve and the water peeing into the outer tub just before spinning started - more Speed Queen drama!
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Post# 32054-9/1/2003-23:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see more pictures now! Is the Speed Queen washer you found a solid tub machine?
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Post# 32055-9/1/2003-23:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Frigidaire Water Level Tricks)
MESSAGE: ...and of course when you think about it you could have an infinite water level on any of them if you advance the timer ahead 4 clicks. ;-)
The "Custom Deluxe" washer is a strange bird indeed, especially the late 1960s renditions. There are more versions of it than Carter has pills. I wonder if they used it to test the marketability of different features or feature combinations.
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Post# 32056-9/1/2003-23:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: "No need for pre-rinsing" goes way back in the diswasher family tree - many advised just scraping away the large food soils and loading into the machine from the beginning of the dishwasher offerings in the late 30's. Whether or not they actually performed to the claims is a different story of course!
Spotting can be caused by many factors, hard water ranks at the top of the list and water not at high enough temperature causing slower drying, in addition to the drying method used so it really would be difficult to blame the machine in many cases. The Kitchen Aid dishwasher I'm currently using has an 1100 watt heater combined with forced air circulation that gives excellent results with most loads. I have soft water, keep the water heater set at 140 and use the jet-dry in the dispenser so all those things combined usually will net good results for me.
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Post# 32057-9/1/2003-23:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is????
MESSAGE: Yeah, I have seen whirlpool/kenmores do this (belt and direct) it is a combination of cold washes, not enough detergent (or too much) and not diluting the fabric softener. This brown sludge builds up under the agitator and starts coming out in chunks and getting on the clothes (ewww)
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Post# 32058-9/1/2003-23:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (powder vs liquid dishwasher detergents)
MESSAGE: I agree, we tried liquid once and went back to powder right away.
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Post# 32059-9/2/2003-01:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre rinsing & food waste disposal)
MESSAGE: To clarify, I guess I should say that what I saw in the 60's was the idea of a built-in "food waste disposer" from GE. Then Sears got on the bandwagon.
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Post# 32060-9/2/2003-06:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember my mom wanting to put a towel or two in with sheets in the 1964 Norge and 1970 Kenmore 800. Both resulting in OOBs each spin. She FINALLY learned after me harping on her for years. I extremely rarely mix towels with sheets just for this reasohn. I do sheets with sheets. Towels with towels. I try to keep my loads unified so that balancing isn't a problem as well as uniform drying results. This is per a Sears repairman's instructions to a neighbor complaining her LK dryer didn't dry well back in 1965.
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Post# 32061-9/2/2003-06:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yup. I believe GE still had Mobile Maids (all push-button); KitchenAid still marketed one too. Maytag's first dishwasher, in 1967 or 1968, was a top loading portable. I don't remember if it was still being marketed in 1970 though.
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Post# 32062-9/2/2003-07:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds
MESSAGE: Greg, congratulations again. You never cease to amaze me. Looking forward to the pix. You are an appliance magnet. Doesn't surprise me with that big warm friendly smile and peresonality. Heck, even the old metal of appliances are drawn to you. :)
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Post# 32063-9/2/2003-11:38 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: I have some bad news. I will not be able to host the October Wash-In as planned. Rhinnie suffered a stroke yesterday morning about 8:30.
He is in stable but guarded conditon in the Stroke Unit at the Hospital where I work. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers.
I don't want to post non-appliance info on this site, so check the sandbox for updates or e-mail me at applianceville@comcast.net
Steve1-18
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Post# 32064-9/2/2003-15:21 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yeah I agree, I learnt this with my Hotpoint. thru trial and error and a friend telling me, I wash like for like stuff and not to full and not to empty as well. But its best not to overload so the agitator works and gives a good roll over, this way the spin cycle works very well. All I can hear now is the pump doing its thing, and a vortex of air rushing around the tub while in the hi spin. Regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 32065-9/2/2003-16:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: OMG. So sorry to hear that. Best wishes for recovery.
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Post# 32066-9/2/2003-16:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Interesting. I've washed sheets and towels together, although I don't do that every time, in both the F&P and KA, and had no particular trouble with either agitation or spinning. I also have done sheets with shirts/slacks. I don't usually dry sheets with anything else since they do need more room to billow and tumble, and smaller items get wrapped up in them.
I don't recall ever having a unbalanced spin in the KA. The F&P has been unbalanced once. I had the auto-unbalance correction enabled at that time, and it recovered, mostly by luck since the item was a heavy cotton quilt.
I do recall, however, that the 1962 Whirlpool went out-of-balance pretty often. Throw rugs, quilts, sheets/towels, whatever. Lots of splashing from the Surgilator on low and medium water levels, the snubber got wet and slicked-up with soapy water as a matter of normal course.
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Post# 32067-9/2/2003-18:53 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 32068-9/2/2003-19:24 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Kevin/hairybigmanuk (England)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Member's, I was asked to Post for Kevin, with this Message for everyone.
Peace, Steve
It is:
I wont be around for a week or so, I have to go into hospital for a minor operation to have 2 lumps removed off my right arm. So I will not be able to type for a while, Kevin
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Post# 32069-9/2/2003-20:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: John Lefever and his partner Cliff (host of last year's convention in Maryland) came into Omaha for a visit this weekend. We went to the NU/OSU football game in Lincoln on Saturday, some shopping at the Nebraska Furniture Mart and then a party and a night out, lasting into the wee hours of Monday and then a small dinner party Monday evening. In between our busy social schedule, we poured over literature and manuals from my appliance library, worked on a couple of machines, tore down a stove for parts and did lots of washing. It was great to see them again and we had a great time. I posted a few pics of the weekend's events for everyone.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Football+Saturday.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32070-9/2/2003-20:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: So sorry to hear about Rhinnie, I'm sure we'll all be keeping him in our thoughts. We all completely understand about the October gathering, hope he is up and around again soon.
Take care -
Greg
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Post# 32071-9/2/2003-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (best? Other brands)
MESSAGE: Yes I remember speed queens-I cannot remember the models-but these were in the laundramat that was in the apartment building I used to live in. I lived there for fifteen years(Wash DC area).They replaced the machines in the laundry rooms 3 times. First it was speed queen(early 1970's) Which I liked a lot-on their nametags they were marked Speed Queen Mcgraw Edison)Then these were replaced by whirlpools. Pretty much like what my imperial 90 is like) The last set of machines I used there were Speed Queens again(early 1980)On their nameplates were marked Speed Queen-Amana. I liked the McGraw Edison models better. Besides the whirlpool family of machines the early speed queens were very nice.-worked really well-and well made. I remembered the deep rinse As other members brought that up. The older speed queens in the apartment house laundry did that. The Amana machines weren't as good. I then moved to another apart building (different landlord) those had the GE's. They had the spiral bladed agitators. I don't think the amana models had the deep rinse.
LINK: http://speed queens
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Post# 32072-9/2/2003-21:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I'm bigrrfan@aol.com
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Post# 32073-9/2/2003-22:14 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: Hi Steve, Please know that Rhinnie and you are both in my thoughts. Let's hope that he has a speedy and complete recovery. Terry
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Post# 32074-9/2/2003-23:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Depends on the size of towels, sometimes things will balance out OK even when you mix heavy and light items, depends on how the clothes are distributed at the end of an agitation cycle. And shirts and slacks tend to be the same or only a little heavier material than sheets, so they usually balance out OK
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Post# 32075-9/2/2003-23:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Our BD kenmore almost never had out of balance spins. It had a couple. One with a sleeping bag, and another with pillows. Other than that the loads could be anything and the spin was silky smooth. It could be that the spin was even slower than normal (we always used perm press which had a very embaressing spin as it was, AND the spin tube ears were broken off for awhile causing the tube to slip against the tub block)
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Post# 32076-9/3/2003-07:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (OOB)
MESSAGE: Having a front loader, loading properly is important for a balanced spin. If you put sheets in there and then stick a big heavy towel, it ain't gonna happen. Shirts and slacks are no problem. I can put in six shirts and pants with socks and it works perfectly. Towels, wash cloths and underwear, fill it up, no problem. Sheets have to go by themselves or at least with a light load like t-shirts or short pants.
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Post# 32077-9/3/2003-14:44 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: A few years ago, my aunt couldn't find her good dishes when she was setting the table for Easter dinner. She finally found them in the dishwasher...where they had been since CHRISTMAS.
My mother runs her dishwasher every day, and pretty much just scrapes the big chunks off of things--generally operates it correctly. But then, while it's running, she HANDWASHES whatever doesn't fit in it. I point out that she could just put those things in the machine when the first load is clean, but all she'll say is, "Oh, I don't mind washing these few things" (and you know it's always "these few things" even if it's enough for another full load). I think that in reality, she can't allow herself to watch her Trading Spaces or whatever until all her "chores" are done, and waiting on a machine is no excuse. So WEIRD.
T.
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Post# 32078-9/3/2003-15:23 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Today's POD
MESSAGE: So that's how Pam Dawber got her start...
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Post# 32079-9/3/2003-18:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD (NO WAY?!)
MESSAGE: That's Mindy from Mork & Mindy?
HUBBA HUBBA
Looks like her don't it. She's modeling for the right washer :-)
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Post# 32080-9/3/2003-19:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I'm a little bit like that. I like to try to squeeze as much as I can in a dishwasher load (needless to say, I don't handwash things that don't fit.) But I like to get it all "done" in one load. But if it doesn't happen, then it doesn't happen. Dishes are different, the appliance hasn't taken over (like with washers, almost no one hand washes everything these days.) No one cooks over a fire or with a wood stove (unless there is no power maybe, but even that is getting rare)
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Post# 32081-9/3/2003-21:02 ||| Mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Mark-I cant get e-mail to go thru to this address.
Thanks
Tom
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Post# 32082-9/3/2003-21:08 ||| Mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: I have got a 1952 Frigidaire fm-17447 Fridge. The compressor starts and runs(sounds like a small compressor) then the large part starts up and kicks it out (just a large hum) Anyone got any ideas what i can do with this thing?? I want to restore it
Thankx
Mike
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Post# 32083-9/3/2003-21:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Sooo The best machine is???? (Granny's Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hi Tom!
Try again. I've sent email to myself and received it. Am also able go get email from everyone else with no problems. Here's the address again: bigrrfan@aol.com
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Post# 32084-9/3/2003-23:00 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In (Re: Rennie:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Steve and Rennie, I'm sorry to hear about what's happened to Rennie. My Prayer's as with everyone else's of your Club Member Friend's are being said for Rennie and you too, Steve.
Know that we are all here for you Guy's and want to know what if anything else that we can do for you. Please be sure to keep us informed and let us know how Rennie and you are both doing.
Peace and Love of Friendship, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32085-9/4/2003-05:54 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: Wanted: Hobart under counter dishwasher
MESSAGE: I am looking for a Hobat under the counter dishwasher, commercial, stainless steel, single rack, 220 volt, car handle door latch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca
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Post# 32086-9/4/2003-08:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt.
"No one cooks over a fire or with a wood stove."
Humph!! (mock indignation, like Miss Piggy...)
I LOVE my wood stove. It heats the kitchen, heats the water and cooks my food all at once. It cooks beautifully though its habits take some getting used to. My new house will definitely have one. We have a woodburning heater in the lounge, too.
Wood, the fuel that warms you twice - once when you chop it and once when you burn it.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 32087-9/4/2003-08:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (stainless tub)
MESSAGE: no, not a solid tub, stainless steel, I may pass on this machine simply because it is newer than I want and I am SOOOOO out of room ...............
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Post# 32088-9/4/2003-08:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wanted: Hobart under counter dishwasher (email)
MESSAGE: Mike, sent you two emails about Hobarts that I found, never heard back from you, no prob, maybe your not getting the email or maybe I have the wrong address, I can just post here if you want ??
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Post# 32089-9/4/2003-08:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (thanks)
MESSAGE: thanks Bob (grin)
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Post# 32090-9/4/2003-08:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: October Wash-In
MESSAGE: best wishes for everything to be OK ..........
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Post# 32091-9/4/2003-12:40 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how many "picture of the day's" there are? I know I've seen this one (and several other recently displayed photos) before within the last couple of months.
My parents had this machine in the early to mid 60's. (I lobbyed for a Whirlpool set but they received travel points from GE whenever they sold GE products through our family furniture store.) The agitation seemed harsh not smooth like a Whirlpool.
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Post# 32092-9/4/2003-12:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Could be an optical illusion... WP stroke is 180 degrees at about 52 OPM's; GE stroke is 110-120 degrees at about 100 OPM's...
-ph
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Post# 32093-9/4/2003-15:08 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: Hi, Noticed in your slide show the new LG's. I am seriously looking at purchasing. Would like to know what you think of them.
Thanks, Ray
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Post# 32094-9/4/2003-15:12 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1639
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1639
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Post# 32095-9/4/2003-15:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds (stainless tub)
MESSAGE: If these are in nice condition and the price is right, you might be able to sell them for a little money to support your hobby.
I'm out of room too - can't believe I even contemplate more!
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Post# 32096-9/4/2003-15:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Labor Day Appliance Fun
MESSAGE: Those are actually not mine, but I'll post an update in the sandbox:
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 32097-9/4/2003-17:08 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Bad news guys, the timer on my Hotpoint is failing YES failing all ready. I am testing it right now and what is happening the machine is filling up for the 1st rinse then the machine stops, starts, its does this continually . The timer does not advance . This has pissed me right off now, as things were going so well. The washer has now self drained and the agitator is moving with no water in it. The warranty has 4 months to run so the repairs are not a problem, failure to repair it means another machine I will be staying with the top loader.
I am going to hospital in the morning to have 2 lumps removed from my right fore arm, I AM STRESSED TO HELL NOW. I wanted to clear all my laundry. I dont need this right now DAMN IT ALL
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Post# 32098-9/4/2003-20:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Awww, don't stress over it. Breakdowns happen. My air conditioning went out last year in the midst of the Texas summer, on a weekend -- the blower was running backwards -- that was NOT fun.
If there is a warranty, does that mean parts *are* available? Will the store give you a "new" machine if a timer is not available?
How can it agitate with no water, unless the fill is timed?
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Post# 32099-9/4/2003-20:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now
MESSAGE: Hi hbmuk
If it is agitating without water, it might just be a pressure switch fault.
The pressure switch measures how much water is in the tub, and when it gets full it switches off the water and THEN supplies power to the wash motor and the timer advance motor. If the timer won't advance then maybe the pressure switch has a dodgy connection inside. It isn't a major problem if that is the case.
You could try turning the water level switch (if it has one) all the way from low to high/reset and back a couple of times, then see if that has cleared it.
Best wishes with your machine and for your op.
Chris.
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Post# 32100-9/4/2003-21:31 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: expensive timer
MESSAGE: I was talking with another member tonight (who I hope has an extra one) about my timer on my 1965 Maytag washer, it runs perfectly except for the timer, I called to get a new one and he said $166.-- plus change, I said OW !!, I may wait til I find another old Maytag and pull the timer off that .......
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Post# 32101-9/4/2003-21:47 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Does the timer not advance through the cycles? If you give me the part # on the old timer, I might have a used one lying around my workshop. Also I'm in the same state as you so I could send it to you. Pls let me know here.
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Post# 32102-9/4/2003-22:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I shouldn't have said no one, I should have said 99% don't use wood stoves. Just because a couple thousand people still use wood stoves, doesn't mean they are needed.
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Post# 32103-9/4/2003-22:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what you mean by "the large part", but it sounds like you should try to hot-wire the compressor.
On the compressor there are three terminals. Pull the wires of so you can access them. One is common, one is run, and one is start. Make a test cord with an AC plug on one end. On the other end attach one aligator clip to one wire (common), and two allicator clips to the other wire (hot). Put the common clip on the common terminal, put one of the hot clips on the run terminal. Plug the cord in to the wall and touch the extra hot clip to the start winding for 1 or 2 seconds, then remove it. If the compressor runs fine after disconecting the start winding, let it run for a while and see if the fridge is cooling. You should really check the current draw at this point with a wattmeter of ampmeter/amprobe. If this works, you need a new relay. I believe on your fridge this is a black bakelite box mounted near the compressor.
Disclamer: I'm assuming you're handy with electricity. I assume no responsibility if you zap yourself.
Ken
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Post# 32104-9/5/2003-00:35 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: I dont need this right now (Advancing )
MESSAGE: Yes the timer advances on the wash cycles, but not on the rinse cycles. the timer stalls on the rinse cycles, but still can be heard ticking. On the wash cycles there is no problem on fill up, even when some of the dirty water is drianed out during the wash cycle, the machine will stop and fill up again.
I dunno. I will check back later its just that I may not be able to respond to any postings, as I will not be able to type. Later guys regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 32105-9/5/2003-00:45 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: There are also a lot of people that prepare the meat portion of many of their meals outside on a BBQ during the warm months of the year. Many of these are still charcoal or wood fired. In addition to the taste, there's another advantage - the odors and volatized grease doesn't get into the house and deposit on the walls and furnishings.
I almost never prepare meats in any of my indoor ovens any more. I use a large propane grill, with a rotisserie attachment. I can use it year-round since it's in a covered but not enclosed patio area. Best of both worlds. I also use a wood or charcoal fired smoker or roaster. There is simply nothing like a fruit-wood smoked turkey.
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Post# 32106-9/5/2003-04:06 ||| Iluvoldkitchens (Elizabeth, NJ)
SUBJECT: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay
MESSAGE: I don't collect washers, but I know lots here do. I'm a refrigerator gal myself!
Anyway, while browsing for Frigidaire collectables I came upon this auction #2655593082 (see link)
It's for a really cute pair of washing machine cufflinks and I thought the washing machine collectors here might like them.
Regards,
Cheryl
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2655593082&category=13596
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Post# 32107-9/5/2003-05:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Very true Rich. It is rare for me to prepare any meats in the house anymore. We use the Weber gas grill all year round even here in Connecticut. Roasts and large cuts can be done on the grill using the indirect method and though there is no gravy to be had this way, the meats stay so moist that none is needed.
Another trick I learned from Mother is to do any frying outside. She would do it on the charcoal grill, but the side gas burner on the Weber is so easy. Breaded cutlets, eggplant, meatballs and sausage for the Sunday gravy, tostones - even dishes calling for meat to be initially browned on top of the stove like pot roast - all done outside. Clean, easy, and no lingering frying odor in the house. What could be better????
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Post# 32108-9/5/2003-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer
MESSAGE: Did you call Midwest Timer Service? I know you had a disheartening experience with your Whirlpool timer, but the Maytag timer is probably a very common one and they may have it in stock, all done and waiting for you.
Did your present time go bad on increment starting the rinse agitation cycle?
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Post# 32109-9/5/2003-08:18 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RCA console stereo
MESSAGE: Hello friends
I am gonna stretch the envelope here a little.Mark(lighted controls)offered to help,but my e-mail server and his are not hooking up,so I am going to put my problem before the club and hope you will allow a vintage stereo to be considered an appliance just this once-hope I dont get reprimanded!Subject is a 1968 RCA Custom Series console stereo-TOL.Trying to use a CD player with it,but the line level is too high-for example,a good listening level for radio or records is about 4 on the volume dial but using the CD produces the same volume level at less than 1.There is no CD input on the unit of course,nor aux,it is necessary to use the tape inputs to hook up the CD.Of course this is producing some distortion.Is there something available to put between the CD unit and the tape inputs to adjust the input level?
THANKS!
Tom
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Post# 32110-9/5/2003-08:53 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: You know, that is a very good idea!! I always used my stove and oven for everything, but got to the point where I couldn't stand the smell of frying or browning meat in the house anymore, but never thought to use the side burner on my gas grill outside!! What a great idea. I even brushed the meatballs with a small amount of oil and cooked them right on the grill. Neat, easy, clean and no mess. Same with the sausage and the braciole for the Sunday gravy. Great idea!!
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Post# 32111-9/5/2003-10:29 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Possible Fix...)
MESSAGE: I had a similar problem a few years ago, hooking a modern turntable up to an old Capehart phonograph. You might try a tape deck between the CD player and the stereo. I've found several good ones at thrift stores and garage sales. Hook the CD to the tape input, then hook the tape outputs to the stereo. You may have to use the tape player in a "monitor" mode, depending on the one you have. Volume may also be controlled if the tape player allows you to change the recording level.
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Post# 32112-9/5/2003-11:12 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I agree with all of the comments about cooking outdoors on a with wood or gas grill. I have a natural gas Weber that is does an amazing job and is very convenient. I also use an electric deep fryer outdoors (a classic small appliance, by the way) to keep the grease smell outside for fried chicken, tostones etc. Where I might disagree with you Chris is the idea of home heating with wood. On this continent, heating with wood is not very practical on a wide scale due to the huge amount of wood needed during a northern winter and the pollution it produces. There are numerous areas in North America (not just Calif.) with winter burning restrictions because of wood burning fireplaces and stoves. And I'll bet you folks in Minneapolis, Saskatoon and Boston wouldn't want to chop enough wood to heat a home when it's minus 15 or 20 F outside.
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Post# 32113-9/5/2003-11:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay
MESSAGE: Welcome, luvoldkitchens, and thanks for pointing those out. Looks like those are an early "bolt down" Sears automatic and a later Sears automatic. Very unique! How old of kitchens do you like? I like the ones from the 50s and 60s, and the fun pastel shades that go with them.
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Post# 32114-9/5/2003-13:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo
MESSAGE: Radio Shack has an "attenuating dubbing cord" but it has 1/8" phone jack at one end and a phono plug at the other -- an additional adapter would be needed on one end -- and the attenuation may not be enough to help.
LINK: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F007%5F002%5F003%5F008&product%5Fid=42%2D2461
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Post# 32115-9/5/2003-14:03 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Love to hear these great old beasts are still in use. An easy solution that would allow multiple inputs to beat is to pick up a used DJ type mixer. You can modulate the output using one of the sliding "pots" on the control panel so the gain is acceptable for the input. There are lots of these on ebay and a new one from radio shack is not that expensive anyways (you only need the basic model).
BTW, my parents bought their GE console from the same appliance store where they selected our GE washer, dryer, dishwasher and fridge. We were an all GE home. My current home is about 70% GE.
Happy listening.
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Post# 32116-9/5/2003-14:13 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: WP dw cleanability (1970 Whirlpool top loading dishwasher)
MESSAGE: KitchenAid offered the KD-7 series of top load portable dishwashers until the late 1970's.
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Post# 32117-9/5/2003-15:22 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Sucsess
MESSAGE: Hi GUYS, the op was a sucsess I am home recovering. All though my arm is heavily dressed and still a bit uncomfortable, I am ok I will live. Now my washers problem has been dealt with, the cold in let valve had grit and dirt in it. So it would not open, the valve had been replaced and all is ok now. I just wanna say thanks to bendix 5 and sactoteddybear for being there and FOR caring, THANKS GUYS HUGZ HBMUK
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Post# 32118-9/5/2003-15:39 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!!
MESSAGE: Everyone,
I have the Fall and Winter 1959 Wards catalog. this Dryer along with the matching washer is located on the inside of the back cover. This was Wards version of the Program Computer Laundromat I guess. Although it was not all pushbutton like the L-1000.
There were NO agitator washers in the 1959 Catalog. Only the Westinghouse built front loaders. There are five different model levels, and a slant front Washer/Dryer combination. None of the pictures are in color as at that time the catalog was also used for "paper in a pinch" in the outhouse. So the pictures are at best fuzzy and NOT all that accurate i'm sure.
Westinghouse made almost everything electrical for Wards in 1958-1963. My 1963 Fall and Winter Wards has Norgelike built automatics in them. It wasn't until the Spring Summer 1966 issue that Wards allowed Westinghouse to build washers for them again but ONLY top-loaders. It wasn't until the Fall and Winter 1978 Catalog by Wards that you could get a front loader again....but then it was just another badge engineered WCI.
I LOVE Wards Signature stuff. I have A crapton of their Eureka built canister and Upright cleaners. But in that same 1959 Catalog....you could get either the Westinghouse Twin-Fan upright, or a cylindrical canister...that was either from APEX Electrical Manufacturing...or Westinghouse I'm not sure....but the three levels of Westinghoue Rollabout Canisters, with a PRECO Turbine Brush are featured, and I know that these were made by Westinghouse.
So anyway had to comment as the machine was in one of my catalogs and obviously a Westinghouse.
Oh yeah I have almost every catalog from Montgomery Wards from 1958-1978..I'm missing a few issues MOSTLY Spring and Summer Catalogs. However, most times it was the same Appliance pages for both books...or things were just arranged different.
Thanks Chad
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Post# 32119-9/5/2003-16:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!!
MESSAGE: How cool that you have all those Wards catalogs! I used to be so thrilled as a kid when the new issues of Sears and Wards catalogs came in the mail. Montgomery Wards has a great appliance history of some very cool classic brands. Early top loaders were made by Apex (bouncing basket) and it's interesting to hear there were no agitator machines in the 59 issue, when did they make a comeback? On our South Dakota appliance trips, we saw a few solid tub Norge-built washers and the POD westy made dryer(or very similar.) I never knew anyone with a Wards washer, but there were a few old Norges dryers I remember.
Thanks for the Wards history channel moment!
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Post# 32120-9/5/2003-16:59 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sucsess (Re: Glad your doing all right::)
MESSAGE: Hi! Kevin, I'm glad that you made it through your OP all right and that it went well for you. At least Bendix5 and I are concerned about how you are doing and are here for you always.
Take care Matey, let us all know how Revocery is going for you.
Peace and Hugs, Steve
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Post# 32121-9/5/2003-17:22 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!! (Okay........ What About The Matching Washer.... (ProgramComputer))
MESSAGE: "ProgramCompuer":
The dryer that I just saw in today's POD looks like the same dryer that I saw in Gansky's (I think) picture album that he has taken last year when he last went to an appliance graveyard (that's not the one in South Dakota, is it Greg?).
So........ this was a 1959 Wards Dryer, right???? Was this Wards' TOL Dryer that year???
And if you can, could tell me about the matching washer as well???? What did it look like??? I think I may find the washer just as interesting as the dryer.
--Charles--
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Post# 32122-9/5/2003-17:38 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Friday Rhinnie update
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1654
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1654
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Post# 32123-9/5/2003-21:43 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Hi
Do you need an extra porti-fi speaker?I have one(I think)-yours for freight if you can use it!
Tom
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Post# 32124-9/5/2003-22:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: From the "sheer look" era, I'm thinking. Who knew?!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3625501473&category=13596
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Post# 32125-9/5/2003-22:54 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Greetings Tom! What you need is a pre-amp between your cd player and the input on your console. This will boost the power up to the desirable level so you don't have to do a lot of adjusting on the tuner of your stereo. If there's lots of distortion then your cd player might be a digital output and the old stereos are set up on analog. If this is the case, you might want to contact "pchildress@prodigy.net" for advice as he is an RCA expert that I rely on when I get stumped and can't get a component to work correctly. Bob Wirth is also an expert in this area. Hope this info helps! Mark
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Post# 32126-9/5/2003-23:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: This is so cute - Can you imagine a whole line of "Princess" accessories from General Motors and Frigidaire??
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Post# 32127-9/6/2003-05:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (CD input on 1968 RCA Console)
MESSAGE: The problem you are having is that a lot of tape decks in those days had no amplifiers, so the tape inputs on some consoles and other equipment were amplified, not line level. Because of this, even if you hook the CD player to a tape deck then to the stereo, you'll have the same problem unless the tape deck heads hook directly to the console inputs and don't run through an amplifier.
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Post# 32128-9/6/2003-05:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Mark, re-read the post, he's getting TOO MUCH gain, a pre-amp is the LAST thing he needs. And the output from even a CD player is analog, though some models may have a digital output, too. Another possiblity Tom, depends on whether the turntable has a magnetic or ceramic cartridge in it. Magnetic cartridges don't have much output voltage, so there is a built-in pre-amp before the main pre-amp and amplifier. If the cartridge is ceramic, the voltage output is line level and you could put in a switch to switch between the CD player and the turntable and plug the output of the switch into the phono inputs.
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Post# 32129-9/6/2003-13:38 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization)
MESSAGE: One problem with sending the output of a CD player into a phonograph input, even if the signal is "padded" so as to not overload the input, is that phono premaplifiers have equalization to flatten out the frequency response of most records. Virtually all LP and 45-rpm records were recorded with the "RIAA curve" (yes, the same RIAA going after file-swappers today) in order to limit high-frequency noise and enhance bass response without overmodulating the groove. If you fed a CD source--with flat response to begin with--into a phono preamp, the sound would fat at the low end and lacking in the highs.
A (somewhat technical) explanation of the RIAA curve is at this link:
LINK: http://www.bonavolta.ch/hobby/en/audio/riaa.htm
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Post# 32130-9/6/2003-13:55 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: How long has it been since WP got rid of the latch type door lock?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2345165316&category=46124
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Post# 32131-9/6/2003-20:28 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Wards Signature Dryer..by WESTINGHOUSE!! (pod ward signature )
MESSAGE: Program Computer sure wish you could scan some of those great Wards pages for the club to enjoy thanks. ALR
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Post# 32132-9/6/2003-20:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Yes but you have to admit, electric ovens/ranges have changed how we cook for the most part.
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Post# 32133-9/6/2003-20:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: How true, we have two natural gas furnaces to heat our home in the dead of winter. There is no way we could get by with only wood burning as the main heating sorce. Our tempuratures go down to -30 celcius in the winter and wood heating isn't an option. But I see how using non-electric appliances has many uses today (we use our barbecue a lot during the summer since our summers are rather short.)
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Post# 32134-9/6/2003-20:59 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: That machine is probably from the late 70s or so, give or take. Still, it looks to be in very nice condition.
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Post# 32135-9/6/2003-21:29 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: Probably true in most of Canada. However I know a family that lives near Placerville, CA, where it snows every winter, and they heat their two story home entirely from a single wood burning stove in the living room. The home is very well insulated, which must help. And of course they have a large (six acre) property with enough trees to fell that they can (for the time being) get enough wood (oak) to burn to last them the winter.
It's my understanding that wood pellet furnaces are actually quite efficient.What with natural gas prices going through the roof and shortages, wood pellets may be more economical as well, if you live in an area where they are plentiful. Newer wood stoves can be pretty clean, some even have catalytic converters.
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Post# 32136-9/6/2003-21:30 ||| sudsmaster (San Leandro, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Princess Doll
MESSAGE: She's so SCARY.
Is this in time for Halloween?
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Post# 32137-9/6/2003-21:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization/Magnavox Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Hi There,
I just wanted to say that I have a 1965 Magnavox Astro Sonic console stereo that I have been listening to cd's on since 1987. The stereo has inputs and outputs for a tape deck,and I plug the cd player in those via standard RCA jacks.It sounds simply wonderful,and has no change in volume,or quality of sound from records(except no snap crackel,pop)My old Magnavox is on it's second cd player,the first one wore out after 10 years.Perhaps if this RCA console has a tape input,he could try that??
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Post# 32138-9/6/2003-22:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (pre-rinsing, dishwasher use and dryer controls)
MESSAGE: I will email you to (hopefully) keep off topic things off here.
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Post# 32139-9/6/2003-22:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dishwasher use and pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: I am like you when loading the DW. My sacred cow of appliances and do not bother with pre rinsing. I have found that to achieve the best results I do the following. Proper loading, continuous supply of 140 degree or higher water and a detergent that has enzymes in it.
Here is a tip. Before staring the DW we run the hot water until it is at is hottest. That is a given. Determine the number of minutes into a cycle at which the main wash is to end. Subtract a couple of minutes. When operating the DW set a timer for those minutes. The timer sounds begin to drain the hot water line until it is at its hottest for the reaming final rinses. You would be surprised at how low the water temperature available can be. As low as 80 degrees. This really is not that much of a bother once you get the hang of it and will ensure better performance.
I have yet to understand those who pre rinse and hand wash certain items all the while the DW is running. Go figure? I had the tedious to load with its single wash arm KitchenAid Superba for decades. DWs are like that of a clothes washer. I do several loads when needed and do not see the the point of hand washing istems just because they would not fit into a load.
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Post# 32140-9/6/2003-23:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (dishwasher use and pre rinsing)
MESSAGE: Agreed, I always run the hot water before running the DW although I never thought of running it before each fill. Not only is pre-rinsing not nessesary and a waste of water, it can do damage to glasses especially in soft water with too much detergent. I remember when our maytag didn't used to wash dishes well (crusty stuff on plates, sandy brown stuff in the bottoms of glasses, spots and film etc) The cause, simply clogged holes in the wash arms and a clogged filter and back flush arm. A complete clean and making sure the water is hot has stopped all of those problems. We used to pre-rinse because if we didn't, the dishes would come out with MORE crap on them than when they were put in there. We haven't pre-rinsed any dishes for 2 years since the major cleaning, and the filter is still spotless, the dishes always come out clean. I think the filter got clogged up in the first place because we didn't used to run the hot water at the sink first, plus we always used the short cycle. So the water for the main wash would always be luke warm:-(
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Post# 32141-9/7/2003-01:06 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: How old is a "few" years
MESSAGE: Just a guess here, but I'm thinking it's a bit older than that, maybe early 1970s. My aunt and uncle moved back to town, I think in 1975. They built a new house within a couple years, had a Whirlpool "440" dishwasher with that kind of latch, but the timer was a knob with a silver skirt/pointer to the cycle markings on the escutcheon. I'm thinking the timer design of the machine in this ad, with the cycle markings on the timer knob, is older. Very well could be I'm wrong.
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Post# 32142-9/7/2003-01:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization)
MESSAGE: Yep, you're absolutely right, forgot about that RIAA curve equalization
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Post# 32143-9/7/2003-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (Phono equalization/Magnavox Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Your "Tape" inputs are probably line level like modern equipment whereas his "Tape" inputs are probably set up for input straight from the tape deck heads and thus, are amplified, which is why he gets distortion and overload. Both types of inputs existed at the same time.
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Post# 32144-9/7/2003-01:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: Most owners manuals instruct people to run the faucet until the water gets hot before starting the dishwasher, and I always have done that.
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Post# 32145-9/7/2003-01:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: I see now that they're trying to sell us a separate product to get our plastic articles clean in dishwashers....
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Post# 32146-9/7/2003-01:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: I think running the hot water before each fill might be a little TOO much trouble, means you'd have to baby sit the machine through the entire cycle. If my dishwasher was THAT far from the hot water heater, I'd either get one of the newer dishwashers that heat their own water or put one of those baby 5 gallon 110 volt electric water heaters under the sink in the hot water line.
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Post# 32147-9/7/2003-01:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: I couldn't do it either, it would get the best washing, but IMO as long as the wash is good and hot, the rinses can be slightly cooler. Our DW is quite far from the WH but the cycle doesn't last long enough for the water to cool down much in the lines. My one friend had one of those little heaters under his sink, yet his DW was still a mess (with built up of mold and crap in the pump, and there were plastic pieces of freeze cut offs in the wash arms, yuck) Part of that may be that their WH was at its lowest setting. AND they washed ONLY with cold water, it was brutal in the winter with cold washes. Moisture from the room would condense on the washer lid since the water in there was so cold, poor maytag.
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Post# 32148-9/7/2003-02:27 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Neptune Washer Noise:
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Friend's, I've Posted a request for some help, on the Sand Box. I would really appreciate any and all help with what has been happening with my Neptune Washer as of Saturday Night. I didn't know if I should Post here, but thought it wouldn't hurt to at least Post this much, asking for someone to check out my Posting on the Sand BOx and if anyone can help me with what I wrote about.
Peace, Steve "SactoTeddyBear"
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Post# 32149-9/7/2003-02:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: Modern detergents use enzymese to onquer food soiless, with improved performance. Older detergents used bleach to get stuff clean. I was at Sam's Club today, they have a large bucket of Electrasol that has bleach as the first or 2nd ingredient. Bleach is what takes care of the tomatoed stained poastics.
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Post# 32150-9/7/2003-07:37 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: Twins
MESSAGE: Since I saw a posting way back in the list about what your favorite machines were, I will say my Westinghouses- True, one old customer referred to the washer as "The Tangler" & one person said.." Oh yeah we had one of those, with the porthole window, & it sort of rolled everything up into a ball..", but I just love them! They get really scarey with off balanced loads! One of the dryers sorta jingles when it is done, another thumps out how dry i am..Does anyone have a source for doorboots on the washers? I used the flat gray ones, they work ok, but pop off once in a while- I would really love to get a model LS-7, or LS-8 Laundromat too!
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Post# 32151-9/7/2003-09:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #)
MESSAGE: I do not see an actual part number on the timer, but I think it was replaced once already because it is stamped 10 - 73 . But I know the Maytag replacement part # is 2-1750 or 201750. Does that help??. It starts with the 12min wash down to 2, then spin two min, spray rinse, one, spin one, rinse two, damp dry five and OFF. thats it ........let me know and thank you for trying to help ...........
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Post# 32152-9/7/2003-09:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (doesnt advance AND)
MESSAGE: it just does not advance AND it runs whether pushed in OR pulled out, you have to pull the plug to shut the machine off unless the timer is in the OFF position............ but the spray rinse does not kick in either as you advance the timer manually ................
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Post# 32153-9/7/2003-10:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: older Whirlpool dryer
MESSAGE: Does anyone by any chance have that little plastic piece that literally holds the dryer door closed ?? This is on the small square doors that open on mine from left to right. thnx ...
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Post# 32154-9/7/2003-11:06 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
I'm afaid I don't have that timer#201750 either used or rebuilt. I checked my cost on it and it is indeed expensive! You could send it out to have it rebuilt , if you can afford the down time. You will also have to remove it from the machine and then reinstall it when you get it back. That sounds like a basic one cycle timer without perm press cycle. 10/73 might be a 1973 model. Some of those washers only had one cycle. I have a few companies I have dealt with for rebuilt timers when I rebuild washers. If you want the names, just let me know. If you want I can send you a door latch kit for the dryer. It is a common item that you could even get at a sears parts counter or a local appliance store. Just trying to help, but not being very successful!
John
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Post# 32155-9/7/2003-12:16 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: expensive timer (timer #/Maytag timer)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
I have a friend who owns an appliance repair shop.A couple of months ago he gave me a used Maytag timer for a center timer machine.The part number listed on it is: 2.05001 5167 . The dial reads: Reg. 2 to 10 P.P. 2 to 8 and Del. 2 to 8 . If you think you could use this timer I will give it to you free of any charges,except the shipping. Let me know if you would want it. Rick R.
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Post# 32156-9/7/2003-12:22 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: You can buy the part new at a parts house or dealer FSP part #279570 or a maytag la1003 or maytag 306436. They probably charge you about $5.00 OR find an appliance graveyard and pry the latch (i am assuming you just need the female part-thats what usually breaks) out of most any whirlpool/kenmore dryer-they all use the same latch for a long long time now.
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Post# 32157-9/7/2003-12:36 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: When I was in Phoenix, AZ last winter, I stopped at the AZ historical society museum and they had a set of early Westy twins with the Desert Living display. Didn't see the model but the knobs were red bakelight. Who needs TV with 2 lovely portholes to watch?
Oddly, this was about the only frontloader I saw in Phoenix. I thought they would be way more popular in the middle of the desert, but most residents I saw were rather capricious in their water use.
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Post# 32158-9/7/2003-13:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: yes, need both, the part on the dryer itself and the part on the door, the part on the dryer itself is completely missing whereas the plastic piece on the door is broken off, I need the hindges too, whereas the lower hindge is completely unattached. No graveyards out here, or very hard to find, sometimes in smaller towns, otherwise most operated by "Waste Management" and that co. has strict rules and will NOT let you on site at all. Thanks for your help !!
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Post# 32159-9/7/2003-14:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: more finds......dates ?? (gansky)
MESSAGE: Well Greg, you always come through for me with dates, I just picked up a Whirlpool Washer model # LAA7800W3 with serial C42406850. I was told this was a 1970 but I think it is newer than that, white agitator, great shape, I need a new pressure fill. I also picked up a Whirlpool dryer model # LKE6700W1 with serial 01550 M336; I assume this is a 1966 or 7, it has the same square control box to one side like my '66 washer. That just needs new hindge and door latch? or whatever two pieces to keep it closed.
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Post# 32160-9/7/2003-15:01 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: more finds......dates ?? (gansky)
MESSAGE: LAA is 1974-1975. Maybe 1973, not sure when that series started. I know LDA is 1976.
We had a dryer LME4600 which was bought in 1964, so LKE would be one series older.
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Post# 32161-9/7/2003-16:33 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Cleanability and the general consumer public (hot water)
MESSAGE: When possible the installation of an in line water heater near the DW is a great idea. Thank you. Referring to my post #32139, was not to flush the hot water line before each fill segment in a cycle. I agree with you. To do so would be a hassel. My recommendation was only to do so shortly before the end of the main wash. The length of time for the main wash is about 25 minutes or more depending on the machine and options selected. The average amount of water per fill for a DW is approximately a little more than one gallon. Therefore these last few gallons the DW uses to rinse would not be that hot. Regardless of the distance between the DW and water heater in the average home. Thanks for your suggestion to use the DW options that heat specific portions of the cycle. My DW has these options and I select them for the main wash and final rinse. I realized that the first rinse (1 of 2) following the main wash was virtually filling with less than optimum temperature, as well as, the second and final rinse. The DW automatically heated the water of the final rinse. I am not one to be splitting hairs. Although to achieve better overall performance and reduce the operating time that heating the water adds to a cycle. When possible to do so, flushing the hot water line out before the final rinses begin just made sense. In closing. I have yet to understand this delay start option is all about. Select the amount of hours to delay starting and then the DW begins with the longest cycle that on most DW automatically heats the main wash and final rinse. The other segments of the cycle not heated are then done with virtually cold water. I used this feature just once out of curiosity. The operating time was increased approximately one hour for heating the water. The end results were less than satisfactory. Go figure?
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Post# 32162-9/7/2003-16:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more finds......dates ?? (gansky) (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks DADoES for the info, appreciate it !!
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Post# 32163-9/7/2003-16:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid dw date ?
MESSAGE: what year is a Kitchen Aid KDS-15 ?
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Post# 32164-9/7/2003-17:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer
MESSAGE: I don't have one but aren't those standard on almost all dryers? Or is this one different? Because if it is just the little plastic piece on most dryers you could probably get one for a couple dollars.
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Post# 32165-9/7/2003-17:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: You can maybe try www.repairclinic.com
they have almost every part for almost any appliance. (I have seen some older maytag timers on there for whoever needed one.) Since these parts are small it would be pretty cheap to have them shipped and they are cheap parts to begin with so...
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Post# 32166-9/7/2003-17:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: I too have seen and used this detergent specifically formulated to clean plastics that Kenmore1978 mentions. It did not remove even the slightest amount of stains. I wasted my money. Plastic storage containers are relatively inexpensive. I just replace them when they become too stained and distorted. I agree that the newly formulated DW detergents with enzymes along with phosphates out perform those less expensive brands that use chlorine (Palmolive). By using chlorine as the method of cleaning the production cost of the detergent is much less than those that do not. Those chlorine detergents yield poor performance results. Repeated washings with chlorine based detergents causes discoloration of aluminum and the exterior of colored cookware/utensils. I learned that it is worth spending a few cents more for a name brand. The manufactures are doing what they do best. Sell more detergents. Hence, all the specialty items, gel/liquids and those awful ones with added fragrance.
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Post# 32167-9/7/2003-18:43 ||| Linlou1228 (Michigan)
SUBJECT: GE Refridgerator electric with top mount motor
MESSAGE: I have a GE electric refridgerator with a top mount motor. The information on the back reads as follows
Patent# 1608324
Type B 9
Serial# 9-AL
Does anyone have a clue re:value It still runs.
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Post# 32168-9/7/2003-19:15 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: A question I asked months ago but created no interest, had anyone tried their favourite store or supermarkets own brand washing powder, washing liquid, or fabric conditioner. What did you think, were the results good bad. HBMUK
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Post# 32169-9/7/2003-19:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ?
MESSAGE: Greg, someone will know the exact dates, but I know it encompasses the mid 1960s. I know it was out by 1965 and qwuite possibly a bit earlier, and I think the KDS16 came out in 68 or 69.
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Post# 32170-9/7/2003-20:03 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: A friend came & took a few pic's to share with you before I let them go. Someone has expressed interest in 2 of them already . Michael
LINK: http://ca.f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/mikepaquette20032002
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Post# 32171-9/7/2003-20:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: At work we go through a pile of laundry detergent (3, 4 or more loads per day that are terribly muddy) So we get a huge tub of no name detergent from superstore or something like that. For being cheap and bulk, it works pretty good. Some towels have permanent crusty grease stains on them that nothing would get out, but the bulk detergent gets all the mud and grass stains out. Of course we use hot water washes for the full time on the maytag. I don't know how well the detergent would do in warm or cold (shutter) washes. But I also love the smell of it. Where we stand to clean clubs, the dryer vent exaust blows on us and I love the smell:-)
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Post# 32172-9/7/2003-20:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: January 1965 to March 1968
Did you find one? This was the first year of the 4-way Hydrosweep wash system and the 180 F sani-rinse cycle and the flip-up door latch (previously a turn to latch) Congrats Greg, you'll have to keep us posted on how it works.
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Post# 32173-9/7/2003-20:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: The bleach is a great addition to the main wash cycle and can help remove some stains and help to keep the dishwasher smelling clean. Bleach is most effective at higher temps and will be most useful when the dishes have been warmed to at least the tap water temp if not boosted by the machine. I often put enzyme based detergents in the first wash as they work better with lower temps (140 F tap water spraying on dishes at room temp will cool to around 100 F) to help dissolve and suspend the heavier food soils present in the first water change. This also helps to cut the harshness of bleach by using it only once in the cycle and immediately flushing it away in the first rinse.
Most people aren't this "involved" in dishwasher operation, but it works well for me. I make sure the water temp at the tap is as hot as can be by flushing the lines prior to starting the dishwasher, but that's where my attention to the process ends. I want my dishwashing to be done automatically!
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Post# 32174-9/7/2003-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Which ones are you letting go? They are all beautiful machines, I hope none will end up in the crusher...
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Post# 32175-9/7/2003-21:08 ||| mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952 (52 Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Oh man. I can tell that i was ready to fall asleep when i wrote that message. anyways the compressor kicks in and you can hear the freon starting to flow. Then after about 10 seconds something else kicks in and it buzzes for about 2 seconds then goes back to how it was running before and after 15 to 30 seconds a large buzz kicks in for 2 seconds then it stops running. No problems with electricity here. I am a millwright but have no experience with refer units at all. it has a YT starting relay out front. It sounds like the starter circuit works ok but sounds labored when the second stage starts up. How do these compressors work anyways??
Thankx Mike
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Post# 32176-9/7/2003-21:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch and hindges)
MESSAGE: thnx Kurt ...
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Post# 32177-9/7/2003-21:32 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Well, it does have the timer still on the lower right kick panel, flip down lever to lock and four pushbuttons, its in good shape, need a new upper rack and the lower rack had to be replaced with a rack from a newer machine, but the original was shot big time. I don't know if it works or not, I would like to "rig" it up as a portable somehow .......... it has a brushed stainless steel front, it supposedly is the first year that they got rid of the cast iron spray arm and went to the four way hydrosweep in addition to what you said. I have heard it does not wash well unless you put only vertical plates in the bottom period.
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Post# 32178-9/7/2003-21:47 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product
MESSAGE: Thanks for your response, as well as, sharing your expertise and knowledge. I am now able to achieve even greater performance from my DW. I will admit that I am still learning. Also to know that there is someone else that has taken automatic dishwashing to a higher level other than me. I am no longer alone. Yes. This state of mind does exist with others. It is located in a very magical place between Xanadu and Atlantis. I must go there now. To correct improper loading and guide those who still pre rinse. In all honesty I do appreciate your response. Take care and be well.
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Post# 32179-9/7/2003-22:17 ||| mikeporter (cambridge)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Compressor Issues 1952
MESSAGE: did what you said. I found from the frame i got 120v on the white and 120v on the red and nothing on the black. in the module if you are holding it in the upright position on the left side is a coil. when pluging in the fridge it pulls the coil in for a second and it runs at 14 amps then it kicks out and runs fine at 1.8 amps. Now it is running differnet then before. before it was trying to kick in the (starting {i hope}) line every 30 seconds. Could this posible be the yt starting relay is screwy? This starting phase how does it work and what does it do? Also the fridge is cooling now. This model that i have is a 1953 fm-17447 if that means anything to you. Does this model cool only the freezer and that is how the rest of the fridge cools or does it have coils in the fridge side also.
I really appreciate your time. I spend every day diagnosing CNC milling machine and lathes but have no idea how a old fridge works. Kinda funny.
Mucho appreciated Thanks again for your time
Mike Porter
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Post# 32180-9/7/2003-22:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (loading)
MESSAGE: You got that right when it comes to the oh so tedious to load bottom rack in those vintage KitchenAids. My parents moved a lot. During my childhood I recall that four houses had the single spray arm KitchenAid DWs. Two had the cast iron spray arm. The others had the hydo sweep spray arm in the bottom only and the model name of Superba. They were push button operated. I so liked the one that had the "party cycle" button. What was that all about? Go figure? My Mom not one to wash anything by hand. With only the one spray arm and the limits this placed on loading. Mom figured out that to avoid having to wash cookware and utensils. She would remove the sliverware basket to gain space and load the bottom rack only with pots, select the Party Cyle and while we eat that load was washing. Surprisingly enough. Upon cycle completion there was not unsatisfactory performance in those bottom rack only pots n pan loads. I do recall the girls from the bridge club who also had these KitchenAid DW. Exclaiming all the while thanking her for sharing this method of operation and the freedom from the added work of hand washing pots this method of loading provided. It sounds like you have found a terrific DW. Hope that all goes well with it. Keep in mind that the water must pass through a bottom rack of dishes only in order to clean items in the top rack. You can do as my Mom did. Run a separate load of just cookware in the bottom rack. PS, those DWs are not whisper quiet. We would turn our DW off just long enough to speak on the kitchen telephone.
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Post# 32181-9/7/2003-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Wonderful Collection)
MESSAGE: Wow, Mike your dishwasher collection is just wonderful! Thanks for sharing pictures. I just love that early GE Mobile Maid with the big round turquoise dial. Everything is in such nice shape.
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Post# 32182-9/7/2003-23:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: Is it a little square female thing mounted on the door that grabs a male tongue mounted on the dryer on the dryer face? If so, I'm sure it's still available as a new part, they used those parts for YEARS on WP/KM dryers.
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Post# 32183-9/7/2003-23:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Mike thanks for the pix. The dishmobile was the portable version of the DW installed in Frigidaire kitchens in our neighborhood. I like the Westy. I had a front load version of that in my 2nd appartment in college. Loved that DW.
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Post# 32184-9/7/2003-23:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: I've beenusing Xtra with bleach I get at Walgreen's, or Walgreen's brand if it's on sale thus making it cheaper than even the Xtra. I keep a bottle of Tide with bleach I use for special stains and REALLY dirty stuff. Non-chlorine bleach I buy at Smart & Final by the bucket. Fabric softener is usually Suavitel, Snuggle, or Downey for washer and Clingfree for Bounce for dryer.I used to buy large buckets of Clout at Costco, but haven't re-newed my membership there. Have switched to the high-rated Great Value automatic dishwasher detergent since they finally put a Wal-Mart in Metropolitan Los Angeles fairly close to me.
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Post# 32185-9/7/2003-23:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: I picked up a 1980 Whirlpool electronic control washer last week. I'd never played with one of these before and what a fun look back at the early days of the microprocessor controlled appliances! The washer seems to work fine - I've run it through some testing in the garage with no trouble and will use it in the laundry room for awhile, but the belt on the escalara broke today trying to lift it out of the garage into the house so it will have to wait until later in the week for a spot in the hallowed rows of the laundry room! Here's a peek at the machine and controls.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Whirlpool+Mark+Electronic.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32186-9/8/2003-00:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: So now we need a separate product (bleach and enzymes)
MESSAGE: You know, that's a good idea of using both types of detergents, I think I'll start doing that, really makes sense, and certainly would solve the stained plasticware problem. I imagine your method would boost the performance of the older machines as well.
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Post# 32187-9/8/2003-00:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Electronic dryer)
MESSAGE: My Dad and stepmom had a set of these for a while, the dryer was neat in that the red lights above the touchpads would light from left to right in sequence like chase lights on a sign until you touched one of the dryness pads.
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Post# 32188-9/8/2003-00:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: Yeah almost every dryer out there has that type of latch (maytag halos have a magnetic latch that are sometimes found on cupboards.) I have found that a new one is really stiff to open and close so a slight compressing of the tongue part makes opening and closing the door easy. Just as long as the door stays closed for the cycle:-)
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Post# 32189-9/8/2003-00:29 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: OK Class Time For The Film Strip.
MESSAGE: Hi Guys
I have Had this filmstrip for about a year. As I have just gotten a 1949 Ge dishwasher I thought that you might like to see both. The film strip was made to show appliance sales people how to sell the GE dishwashers. I do not have the script or record that would have gone with it. The dishwasher that I have has the upgrade pump for easer install, Or in my case a Conversion to portable so that I can use it. Mike love those dishwasher pics KEEP EM COMMIN!!
Take Care All
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/lst?.dir=/49+GE+DISHWASHER&.view=t
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Post# 32190-9/8/2003-00:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: For our house, lately we have been using tide liquid in the big jugs (with the little push button dispenser.) I like the smell of that too, but I have forgotten what regular tide powder smells like. We have never used anything but tide for laundry in our house. We used to use bounce sheets in our dryer, but lately we haven't been using any fabric softener. I don't like using it in the washer since it is too much work (the dispenser gets gooky, and the stuff builds up under the agitator, we had that problem in our BD.) I don't know why we stopped using the dryer sheets. We have recently been using cascade in our DW, before that we used store brands. The cascade does much better. We also tried jet dry liquid in our DW but unfortunatly the jet dry dispenser in our maytag is gonzo (the solenoid has warped and the pin doesn't slide in anymore.)
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Post# 32191-9/8/2003-00:55 ||| ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE:
Hey Everyone,
I always thought that I was the only person crazy enough to love major appliances. I'm glad to find this site!
My vintage Maytag A502 washing machine was in storage for about a year and during that time, a mouse got into the motor. When I pulled it apart to scrape burnt mouse out of the motor, I decided to try to take care of the noisy spin cycle and slow oil drip from the transmission. Not to mention the fact that the interior is really gross right now... :(
The brake assembly is proving to be a nightmare to get off. Got the set screw out. I disassembled the brake and tried twisting it. I can see threads, and according to the diagrams of similar mechanisms on the Maytag website, it seems like it should simply unthread. Broke an ear off the cast aluminum tub support, but didn't get it loose. (Gonna have to TIG-weld that piece back together...)
With the diagram (see the link below), I could see that I could simply use a puller to take the brake and tub support assembly off the bottom of the splined transmission shaft, so now I have the base off, but both castings - including a captive bearing - are still stuck inside.
There's a tool for removing the brake. It provides 6" of leverage to twist the brake off. Well, I used a 12" pipe wrench, with the brake housing bolted to a chunk of steel held in my bench vise. Tried pounding the casting of the tub support hoping to loosen the threads, lots of penetrating oil, lots of patience. Tried turning both ways in case it was a backwards thread. Not budging at all.
Anyone got any suggestions for getting this thing off? I really don't want to break anything more than I have so far.
Any other suggestions on Maytag transmission rebuilds would be greatly appreciated. Are the bearings standard types (ie. available from auto parts or bearing shops), or do I have to use the expensive Maytag parts? Any weird O-rings or seals? Is Maytag transmission fluid anything special, and when I fill it, how much do I put in?
Sorry about all the questions. I'm trying to do it right the first time, and I've never had one of these things apart before.
I love this old washer, and will look forward to adding pictures of this and my other vintage Maytag appliances to the on-line museum as soon as I've got a supply of clean socks again.
Thanks!
Lawrence Wade
Ottawa, Canada
LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/
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Post# 32192-9/8/2003-01:18 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: OK Class Time For The Film Strip. (wash time)
MESSAGE: This thing only has a FIVE MINUTE wash cycle?! What were they thinking?
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Post# 32193-9/8/2003-01:23 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Date help
MESSAGE: I have 2 appliances I don't know the year of, can anybody help?
GE refrigerator 23Z
model TRX23ZGB serial HS 565376
Kenmore 18 refrigerator model 106.8748581 serial E41835435
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Post# 32194-9/8/2003-01:31 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid trash compactor
MESSAGE: One of the things I've never seen mentioned here is the rather unglamorous trash compactor. In particular, in the 70's my dad had a Kitchenaid trash compactor was was unusal in that it was wider than other brands and had a round rather than rectangular bin. It also had what I thougt was a neat feature, a little door that tilted opened so that you could put in items without having to pull open the main drawer.
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Post# 32195-9/8/2003-02:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: Was the tranny dripping some major oil, or was it just some splatters of oil? If there was a major leak (big puddle under the tranny and it didn't sound so healthy when running) then you are right to take it apart and replace the seal and oil. But most transmissions (especially maytag, whirlpool BD and GE) leak a little oil out over the years and it is no cause for concern. As for the noisy spin, it is likely the damper pads are worn down, you need to take the support bars and springs loose and set the washer down on a piece of wood (put the wood under the center so it rests on the tranny pulley) You also need the top raised for this, the whole innerds will raise a few inches and you will see 3 damper pads stuck to the center part of the bottom panel. Scrape these off and clean the surface, buy new ones and glue them on and make sure they are evenly spaced around. Reasemble and things should be good (unless the tranny has a major oil leak)
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Post# 32196-9/8/2003-06:10 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: Well, the scent of regular Tide powder has changed in intensity many times even in the past few years. While the overall notes of the fragrance have remained basically the same, P&G has tweaked it enough so that it seems to smell slightly different. It has also become stronger - with the new quick dissolve formula. I guess I would describe the fragrance as commercial floral with chemical overtones.
I have also read on the Tide website that since the change to the quick dissolve formula, people have been having more problems with residue on clothes, itchy rashes and too much fragrance left in the clothes. I haven't used regular Tide powder lately since I like the Tide with Bleach Mountain Spring powder. Basically all the Tide powders have a pretty strong fragrance - with the new Clean Breeze Tide being the strongest. but since I rinse in warm water and line dry, I find the fragrance left to be quite subtle. Don't know if that formula is available in Canada just as Lemon Tide is not available in the US. I also tend to wander over a range of brands that I found to give good results - Surf Spring Burst powder and tablets (tabs have been discontinued), Fab powders, Bold powder, Gain powder and occasionally for real old fashioned laundering - Instant Fels Soap Powder......
I did purchase some regular Tide yesterday - a local supermarket had the 87 ounce/40 load size powder and 100 ounce liquid on sale at 2 for $8.00 and I had a coupon for $1.00 off. The regular price was $9.49 each for that size - so I felt I could be extravagant. Interestingly, the Tide High Efficiency was also included in the sale - very unusual.
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Post# 32197-9/8/2003-07:41 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (Store Brands )
MESSAGE: We have some great "El Cheapo" stores here in Tulsa and I use them shamelessly. Half the fun--beyond saving a ton of money--is the array of clever brand names (especially Clover Valley, a brand for everything from coffee to candy bars.) It's like being in a TV show or something...
Anyway, I always use American Value Lemon Scented Bleach (chlorine liquid) and Bissell Wool Wash (which is an approximation of Woolite). I just refuse to pay more for a name brand when there is no appreciable difference. I couldn't give a goat's chin whisker about what you find in a tea strainer after you pour half a gallon of cheap bleach through it. Please! It's like the red dye/cyclamate/rat/cancer thing; if you eat fifty pounds of red dye per week for six months, you'll probably get sick; if you use a two or three bottles of bleach in your washing, there's liable to be some sort of residual crud on your fabrics. Sheesh. Moving on.
The DG brand of fabric softener sheets was a big disappointment; the clothes were fairly soft, not much cling, but they just didn't SMELL as nice. Fragrance is just terribly important, and that nasty, high school chemistry class smell that is part of the DG formula simply won't do. I haven't tried any of the detergents yet. None of them smelled good enough. Fragrance is terribly important (am I repeating myself?), and I'm willing to pay for it...
I also bought a bar of Zote laundry soap and bar of Lirio laundry soap, not actual "store brands" but unique and previously unknown to me. Of COURSE I didn't do laundry with them, but I've used them as hand soap and they're great. The Zote is 66% fatty acids and is very sudsy and non-drying. And they both smell good.
The one product I've not been able to find--anywhere--is actual soap flakes. I don't think I'd want to use them in my LG frontloader (our water is slightly hard here) but I'd like to do some hand wash with it just to experience the difference. The search continues...because I know that "It's the Soap in Duz that does it!" (or should I say "did it"?)
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Post# 32198-9/8/2003-08:48 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: Very nice machine, I've never seen this model before!
Great find Greg!
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Post# 32199-9/8/2003-08:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (loading)
MESSAGE: thank you, I am anxious to see if it works .........
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Post# 32200-9/8/2003-08:53 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: older Whirlpool dryer (dryer door latch)
MESSAGE: yes and thanks I feel pretty confident in being able to both find the part and fix it
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Post# 32201-9/8/2003-08:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: very nice greg, I forgot about those agitators in the later years with the flip upwards extended tabs if you will at the bottom of it .........
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Post# 32202-9/8/2003-10:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's
MESSAGE: Great collection, Mike! Why do you need to be rid of them?
-ph
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Post# 32203-9/8/2003-10:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980
MESSAGE: Was that the TOL for 1980? Which was the model that had all the push-pads in a row across the console?
-ph
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Post# 32204-9/8/2003-10:25 ||| Ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: ***Was the tranny dripping some major oil, or was it just some splatters of oil? If there was a major leak (big puddle under the tranny and it didn't sound so healthy when running) then you are right to take it apart and replace the seal and oil. But most transmissions (especially maytag, whirlpool BD and GE) leak a little oil out over the years and it is no cause for concern.****
Eventually, though, there won't be enough oil in it. The machine is in daily service and I'd rather not have to replace a seized transmission. I'd also bet that a modern Maytag orbital transmission wouldn't go into it because of something annoying like different splines on the agitator. I feel that a couple of hours now could save me several hundred dollars in parts later.
**** As for the noisy spin, it is likely the damper pads are worn down, you need to take the support bars and springs loose and set the washer down on a piece of wood (put the wood under the center so it rests on the tranny pulley) You also need the top raised for this, the whole innerds will raise a few inches and you will see 3 damper pads stuck to the center part of the bottom panel. Scrape these off and clean the surface, buy new ones and glue them on and make sure they are evenly spaced around. Reasemble and things should be good (unless the tranny has a major oil leak)****
Oh yeah, the damper pads are gone. I've known that for a long time. But the spin has been making a bearing noise for years. The brake bearing is toast, and the bottom shaft bearing (trapped between the parts I'm trying to get apart) is as loose as I've ever seen a bearing that hasn't yet spilled its balls.
The machine had to come apart, and that was even before I broke the tub support casting. Now it absolutely has to come apart so that the piece can be TIG-welded back together.
Thanks for the advice, but I'm already way beyond that stage.
Lawrence
LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/
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Post# 32205-9/8/2003-11:53 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA console stereo (From a GE console with Porta Fi owner)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Yes, am interested! Thanks. Please contact me via email and we can work out the details. I will need to verify which channel my system is to make sure the speaker will work (unless it is the high end type with an A/B switch so it works with all transmitters).
Mike
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Post# 32206-9/8/2003-12:51 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: I am now living here in Furnace (I mean Phoenix) and was wondering if you can tell me where this Museum is? I'd like to check this pair out! I remember the dials being of red bakelite on the Westinghouse Laundramat my mom had when I was a kid. If it makes any difference, my friends just purchased another set of frontloaders which means they now have sets at both of their homes for "water saving purposes".
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Post# 32207-9/8/2003-13:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Great pic. That's a kewl looking Hotpoint. Anyone know what year? Looks like around a 60 or 61.
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Post# 32208-9/8/2003-13:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (Store Brands )
MESSAGE: I tried a bottle of Gain fabric softener and it stinks to high heaven. I'm going back to good ole april fresh Downey. How I wish I could find a bottle of the old Downey formula before they changed the fragrance.
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Post# 32209-9/8/2003-14:39 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners
MESSAGE: We have been using Sears HE detergent and finally after about 18 months used up the bucket so I just purchased a big box of Kirkland with enzymes and bleach from Costco. Their brand. I use great value from Walmart fabric softner. I buy their refill for 2.49 for 60 oz and just put it in my downey bottle. I use the same amount as Downey and it does a great job. I keep a box of regular Tide or Gain on hand for extra dirty laundry or using in my Maytag top loaders. Or if I want that old fashioned scent. Most laundry is done in Frigidair FL'er and am anxious to try the Kirkland later today to see how the suds do.
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Post# 32210-9/8/2003-15:31 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: Anyone have any info on this?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2344301915&category=46124
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Post# 32211-9/8/2003-15:32 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update - Monday - Sept. 8
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1663
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1663
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Post# 32212-9/8/2003-15:56 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: I was in the Home Center business when these came out. I was told they were Whirlpool units with ISE lables.
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Post# 32213-9/8/2003-16:25 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (PeterH770.....)
MESSAGE: That would be the one.
--Charles--
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Post# 32214-9/8/2003-17:19 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: dbg, thanks for the response. I'm not familiar with any WP using that type of latch. I'm thinking it may be a DM (shape of console) or GE.
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Post# 32215-9/8/2003-17:30 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KitchenAid/In-Sink-Erator)
MESSAGE: Hello: It is a KitchenAid with the In-Sink-Erator brand name on it. I am not certain of the exact dates.Some else in this group will. During the mid 80s KitchenAid was bought out by Whirlpool. The specific design elements rack/loading configuration and exterior controls unique to only to the KitchenAid brand stopped. Never to appear again. For those of us into dishwashers the genuine KitchenAid are now part of history. There is somethig to be said about their over the top use of chrome and almost indistructable interiors. What clunkers. For decades before european dishwashers became available. The KitchenAid brand was not only expensive compared to others. There was a little status associated with having a KitchenAid rather than a builder issue machine. During that time magazines that featured top end kitchens more often than not had a KitchenAid. Recently I had an appliance repairman in my home. Boy was that a disaster. He is the one that told me about the KitchenAid and ISE connection. When he learned of the production coming to an end he bought two! Go figure?
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Post# 32216-9/8/2003-17:48 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: Hi,
I'm trying to find information on an ABC (Altorfer
Bros) Electrotable. It is a mixer very similar to a
modern day Kitchen aid, it was built into a table with
the motor mounted underneath and alot of attachments
stored inside the cabinet. I believe it was manufac-
tured @ 1931. Any info would be helpful, it doesn't
seem like anyone has ever seen one but I have one that
is functional and has most of the attachments.
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Post# 32217-9/8/2003-17:59 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I started out looking for a cool vintage dishwasher to be a second machine for the kitchen & compliment my collection of everything old in a new breakfast bar being built at the end of the kitchen. AT first nothing for months then out of the blue I was getting emails & phone calls . My want list has been refined as I went along. I decided I need a work horse in the kitchen, Hobart dishwasher, 220 volt, single rack, commercial, stainless steel in & out. I know this will be hard to come by but have to try. I know that there are people out there that are interested in a few of the dishwashers & in time I will let them go, Except for the 54 Mobile Maid. I will somehow have to find a spot for it in the kitchen remodel along with my KA & some day my Hobart. It is nice to see other's interested in dishwashers as much as me. Like I started out saying "I never wanted to collect dishwashers, just a cool machine for the breakfast bar" & now I'm up to 3 for my kitchen. Hey mabey the dishwasher god will smile once more & a Hobart will appear. ;)
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Post# 32218-9/8/2003-18:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: When I was shopping for my Superba back in 1992, my Dad had a solicitation in the mail for one of those shopping club outfits where you can get "name brand" merchandise at discount prices. He called them to check on a price of the Superba. They didn't have it available, but IIRC they did have ISE and said it was basically the same. (shipping would have killed any potential discount)
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Post# 32219-9/8/2003-18:38 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Can the experts here confirm that my 1992 Superba is still considered to be of the "real" KA design? I believe Whirlpool had already acquired KA at that time, but it does have the HydroSweep, water heating element in the sump, and basically the traditional rack design (except that plates are loaded at the left side of the lower rack instead of down the middle). It's of very sturdy construction, porcelain tank and a metal frame around.
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Post# 32220-9/8/2003-19:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Yes Glenn, yours is a real KA. I got one of the last real KAs at a former residence in 1996. The first generation of the different ones with the stainless insides were already there and there were like 2 of the old kind left, and I went for that. Still of course going strong today.
Did you keep the KA you removed from your kitchen?
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Post# 32221-9/8/2003-19:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Mike, I am sure your Hobart will come along, I am amazed at some of your dishwasher finds. I am very fortunate myself to have come across what I have in the last year but let me tell you I put out the word BIG TIME for my finds, and out of well over at least fifty contacts that I made, only three have come through for me and have called me with finds. But there is always luck thrown into the search ............
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Post# 32222-9/8/2003-19:32 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (Kitchen Aid??)
MESSAGE: In-sink-erator was made by Hobart and were identical to Kitchen Aid dishwashers at one time I believe ............. this looks like an eighties model but I don't think its a hobart but I cannot tell, pics are to vague.....
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Post# 32223-9/8/2003-19:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (Kitchen Aid??)
MESSAGE: To me, it sort of looks like a late 80s/early 90s KitchenAid, if you imagine it with the KA latch instead of that slide one.
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Post# 32224-9/8/2003-19:45 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: That's definitely an InSinkerator dishwasher...which is the classic Hobart/KitchenAid design. They are good dishwashers...same K/A quality only with the slide latch on the door.
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Post# 32225-9/8/2003-19:51 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I too agree with the responses your receiving confirming that you possess a real KitchenAid. For decades I have followed the changes of the KitchenAid Superba model. After having been acquired by Whirlpool there were cosmetic changes only for a couple of years. Then it was completely redesigned by Whirlpool and the distinctive elements of a real KitchenAid disapeared. All of this talk about genuine KAs saddens me. I sooo regret having parted with my 79 Superba. At that time the big energy shortage was in full swing. Suddenly all home appliances promoted so called energy efficient features. That years Superba model instructions said that it was to be supplied with no more than 120 F water. Thus saving the consumer. Specific segments of a cycle the Superba promoted that to heat a small amount of water upon each fill was efficient. Also there was not energy used other than the circulation fan during the dry cycle. Once again they promoted the efficiency by using the raidiant heat from contents of a load to be sufficient for drying. The cycle operating time for this machine when supplied with 120 F water was in excess of 2 hrs. The only way to shorten this very long operating time was to supply it with 140 F. Those old KAs that had the one hydro sweep and the next generation with the direct feed wash arm beneath the top rack were true work horses. Like I said. I regret having parted with mine. It is probally still going strong today.
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Post# 32226-9/8/2003-20:03 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: its 2 am in the uk right now, i am in the chat room now I will be there untill 2 30 am
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32227-9/8/2003-21:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: 1960 A beautiful machine, but Hotpoint never rated high in testing. 1961 was the "Clean Sweep" panel with pushbutton rapid advance timer and by 62, the "billboard" size control panel made it's debut which lasted in various forms until production of the solid tub ended in the early-mid 70's. I have a mid-line 1963 washer, it's a beautiful and unique machine, but not an outstanding performer.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Collection+Photos&.dnm=South+Room+1.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32228-9/8/2003-21:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Own shops branded washing powders, liquids, and conditioners (store brand detergents)
MESSAGE: I like a strong fragrance left in clothes after. It doesn't nessesarily mean it all wasn't rinsed out, it just smells fresh and clean. And it gives the whole house a fresh smell.
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Post# 32229-9/8/2003-21:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help
MESSAGE: Actually you can do a swip swap of an orbital tranny with a counterweight tranny. That was one of the good things, the shaft lengths, splines etc were all identical. Someone here just did a tranny swap in an older maytag (I always forget who does the interesting things:-(
For spin, like you said it sounds like the stem and seal and bearing all have to be replaced. And also, the leak with good trannys is SLOW. Our kenmore BD leaked a little puddle over 15 years. That little bit of oil doesn't make a bit of difference to the transmission. Eventually it would run out of oil, but at the regular rate of a healthy tranny, that would take 100 years. Whereas if the whole bottom panel is covered in oil in a thick blanket, then obviously replaced the oil. But I guess since you are already far into the machine, you may as well get it cleaned up/topped off.
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Post# 32230-9/8/2003-21:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: Our neighbors have a whirlpool made DW with that type of latch, although it could have been made by D&M also? Hmm now I am confused.
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Post# 32231-9/8/2003-21:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW
MESSAGE: This is a Whirlpool made machine from the early 90's. I have a brochure from 1991 with this model pictured.
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Post# 32232-9/8/2003-21:51 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Never wanted to be a collector of dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Yes, I still have the KA. Would love to keep it, but I really don't have the space. :-( It's blocking the side door in my garage at the moment.
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Post# 32233-9/8/2003-21:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I have a KDS-18 in my kitchen that we've been using for about six months. For my day-to-day needs, it's not what I would consider the very best that automatic diswashing has to offer, but it is an excellent performer. I have yet to find the all-around "ideal" dishwasher...but then I haven't tried a spray-tube Frigidaire either ;-)
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Post# 32234-9/8/2003-21:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: As I recall, it was the "Energy Saver IV" model that did away with the drying heater and had the very long cycle, and that was quickly changed on the next model revision due to consumer complaints.
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Post# 32235-9/8/2003-21:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: This sounds amazing, I'd love to see pictures. I didn't know ABC made anything but laundry products. One of our Boston members actually met one (or more) of the Altorfer brothers - interesting history of an innovative company.
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Post# 32236-9/8/2003-23:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: The KA Superba delivers excellent performance. The ancient KA that had just the single spray arm did too. Although, talk about difficult to load it was second only to the spray tube Frigidaire. The next generation of KA with the two spray arms gave random loading a whole new meaning! I agree with you in that I have yet to discover the "ideal" dishwasher. Given the opportunity to design a dishwasher. The machine created by me would not be that short of "ideal", rack loading configuration and cycle sequence. Who knows? Stranger things have happend to me. Without hesitation I would call upon the expertise of this websites members to do so. I'd be a fool not to...
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Post# 32237-9/9/2003-02:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: There is a Yahoo group that is speciallized in mixers called WACEM (We Actually Collect Electric Mixers!).
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wacem/
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Post# 32238-9/9/2003-07:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RCA - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Did RCA buy Whirlpool or the other way around ?? Was WP a "stand alone" co.?? When did this take place and when did Whirlpool later stand alone again ??
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Post# 32239-9/9/2003-07:07 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I think the older KA dw's use to use a 1/2 hp motor, strongest in any dw ever I think ??
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Post# 32240-9/9/2003-07:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: For what its worth, my brother and his wife had bought a home years ago with a mid seventies belt drive Maytag DW where you would load plates in the top rack with a spray arm in the ceiling spraying down and then glasses, etc. in the bottom rack with obviously a spray arm in the bottom, there was even a tower to hit the bottom of the upper rack. The holes in the spray arms were very small, suppose to deliver a needle like, powerful spray. It was noisy, but it did do a great job, they used 140 degree water ............
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Post# 32241-9/9/2003-07:57 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: I believe RCA was the parent company. We had a couple of RCA Whirlpool air conditioners. One was 1 1962 in robbibs egg blue. An older one didn't have the Whirlpool name on it at all. It was simply an RCA - early 50's model thjat was one of their first window units. It stuck inside as much as it did outside and the air blew out the front by a 4-finned fan. It looked very primitive but lasted for over 20 years.
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Post# 32242-9/9/2003-09:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ??
MESSAGE: Well, the repairman was just here and my ' 63 Kenmore needs a new (seized) pump, belt and cord, and she has a leaking tranny, for starters, hopefully upon replacing such, we shall see what else is wrong upon firing her up. Estimate min $350.00 for parts and labor. Secondly, the 1975ish Whirlpool Washer in excellent aesthetic condition that I just picked up, I believe needs a new tranny, we took care of the pressure fill problem, but upon trying to do a load of clothes. It agitated for a couple minutes then stopped agitating and made this GOD AWFUL grinding, metal against metal noise, like whatever makes it agitate is slipping, my thoughts are a some sort of loose or gone bearing or bad tranny, it also doesn't sound so good during spin either, the repairman had NO CLUE about this. So $75.-- later he went on his way and I guess I at least paid a high price to find out what was wrong with two machines. Well its all in the learning curve.
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Post# 32243-9/9/2003-09:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (COOL !! excuse pun)
MESSAGE: LOVE the old AC's, Robins egg blue, that must have been very cool looking .............. do you have pics ?? These AC's are probably long gone huh?
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Post# 32244-9/9/2003-10:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Leslie or someone would know all the details; I'm not sure how it came about (I'm guessing it was so RCA could have an appliance division to go with their audio and TV stuff?) Anyway, they were together from about 1956 to 1967. After, it was referred to as Whirlpool Corporation, and prior to that the appliances were called simply "Whirlpool" (as they are today) but the parent company was called "Nineteen Hundred Corporation."
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Post# 32245-9/9/2003-10:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: That's correct. When you looked at the inside of other dishwashers (ie my old Hotpoint which I replaced with a KA Superba at another place some years back) they just look like toys compared to KA. These days the dw manufacturers seem to favor really tiny motors, ostensibly in the name of noise reduction, although my KA certainly did not make much noise at all. You barely knew it was running.
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Post# 32246-9/9/2003-10:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Those are good machines, and many people swear by them to this day. They were made until the early 90s, I think. Better overall than what Maytag has replaced them with, IMO.
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Post# 32247-9/9/2003-10:25 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I owned one of those late 80's Maytag dishwashers where the plates went on the top rack, glasses and misc. on the bottom - a convertible model no less. While a bit counter-intuitive at first, the machine did a sensational job. Three things I liked about it: 1) it had a fine mesh filter that caught all the small debris that can collect in the tops of cofee cups etc.; 2) The bottom rack was large and flat - great for mixing bowls etc.; 3) It had forced-air drying - gentle but thorough. It is still running in a friend's kitchen in L.A.. I now have the next, next generation (1999) Jenn-Air (Maytag) that is an excellent peformer, but no forced-air drying and not nearly as unique.
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Post# 32248-9/9/2003-10:31 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (COOL !! excuse pun)
MESSAGE: My partner's apartment, built in 1965, still has its original RCA Whirlpool air conditioner. Granted we only use them a short time each year here, but it runs beautifully and is the best window air conditioner I have ever experienced. He has a GE dw from the 80s but the original RCA Whirlpool electric range and refrigerator are still there too. Every once in a while one of the original dishwashers shows up in the parking lot, so some of those have been in recent use too.
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Post# 32249-9/9/2003-10:40 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: The KD-18 series was the first KitchenAid with the washarm under the upper rack. The KD-18 has a much smaller upper washarm than later models, and I find that items in the corners and back of the upper rack don't get clean. You can replace the upper washarm/guard assembly (or the whole top rack) with one from a later model (KD-19 thru KD-23)and get better washing.
It isn't historically correct, but I find that by cleaning the outside of the tub and the inner door, applying cheap peel n' stick floor tiles (cut to fit), coating that all with automotive undercoating, and wrapping it in a fiberglass water heater blanket (and cutting a piece for the inner door too, giving the dispensers a wide berth) closely approximates the sound reduction of the first WhisperQuiet models. You can line the motor and kick panels with leftover water heater blanket. It isn't the silence of current models...it still sounds like a KitchenAid, but you can enjoy the sounds in the kitchen only, not the whole house.
You can also use DynaMat or similar sound deadening materials sold in car audio stores...but it's EXPENSIVE.
I remember when my parents got their WhisperQuiet Superba 21 in 1988 and how AMAZED we were at how quiet it was. We didn't have to leave the room to talk on the phone, etc. It sure is noisy compared to the new models...but it will probably also outlive the new models
T.
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Post# 32250-9/9/2003-11:03 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: You can request a photocopy of the owner's manual from KitchenAid.com. They're free of charge. It will have photos of suggested loading arrangements. I found that as long as there were MOSTLY all vertical items, things would be perfectly clean in the upper rack. Baking pans, cookie sheets etc. stand on their sides at both edges. Many saucepans or mixing bowls fit on their sides at the back of the lower rack or in the space between the "dinner plate" tines down the center of the rack and the "salad plate" tines at the sides. The sides of the upper rack are exceptionally deep, and large bowls and saucepans can go there. I know for a fact that the bowl from a KitchenAid mixer will fit in the upper rack. I have a KDS-17A single-washarm machine and have never had cleaning problems (be sure to use an enzyme detergent like Cascade or ElectraSol). I also am constantly amazed at the speed of these machines (Normal cycle, including drying, 45 minutes on the KDS-15). SO much quicker than many new machines which seem to go all night.
When I was in college, I used mine in a portable sort of setup. The machine itself stood in one place...I just put a piece of countertop on it. To hook it up, I got a long washing machine fill hose, put a faucet adaptor on one end, and the appropriate fittings on the other end to connect to the water valve, and a length of drain hose. I zip-tied the two hoses together and kept a dishpan at the side of the machine to coil the hose into when I wasn't using it. It wasn't glamorous, but it greatly eased efficiency apartment living!
T.
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Post# 32251-9/9/2003-12:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Deeptub, any idea what the "A" stands for in KDS-17A? I don't believe I've seen one of those model numbers with a letter suffix like that before.
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Post# 32252-9/9/2003-12:12 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: The Arizona historical Society Museum on College (?) ave over by Papago park almost in Scottsdale-not far from the Zoo.
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Post# 32253-9/9/2003-12:15 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (ISE dishwasher)
MESSAGE: This Insinkerator dishwasher was built by Kitchenaid
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Post# 32254-9/9/2003-12:54 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I have seen the suffix "A" on a few different KitchenAid models...it distiguishes a change that didn't warrant a whole new model number.
The difference between the KD-17 and the KD-17A is an Energy Saver button. On my Superba, it's on the LEFT side of the door latch. On Custom and Imperial models, it was to the right of the other selector buttons.
I know the KD-20A models had the pump system with hard food disposer that was in the KD-21 and KD-22 models, whereas the KD-20 had the pump of the KD-18 and KD-19 models.
I seem to recall seeing other instances of this, but I can't specifically recall them at the moment.
T.
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Post# 32255-9/9/2003-12:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yes the one-wash arm KAs were difficult to load. I cannot tell you how many times I saw them run partially full because either the top rack was full of glasses or the household didn't generate enough variety of plates in daily use to fill up the bottom. And it was a gallon guzzler. They always stuck in my craw because of inflexible loading.
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Post# 32256-9/9/2003-12:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that explanation. :)
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Post# 32257-9/9/2003-13:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: Gansky did the upper wash arm switch on his KDS18 with a later one to improve washability in the corners.
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Post# 32258-9/9/2003-13:07 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I just love all this discussion of KA DWs of the past. YAY. From a dishwasher fanatic.
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Post# 32259-9/9/2003-14:15 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I LOVE the KAs of the past. What thoughtfully designed machines! Admittedly, for home users, the single wash arm made things tricky. And they do tank down the water. But if you read in Consumer Reports how much water many new machines with soil sensors use (10+ gallons), suddenly 13 gallons doesn't seem TOO terrible. My singe-arm KDS-17A is in storage right now. Whenever I am finally settled, I intend to use my KDS-18 as my everyday machine and my 17A as the overflow. Despite the single wash arm, it will be great for cleaning up after a party (just dishes and glasses). AND I'd get to use the Party Cycles, Light Soil and Plate Warm and MEAN IT.
I have a friend who has a new KitchenAid Superba--the kind with the tall tub. I honestly cannot put the variety of things in it that I can in my old machines. I'll just give one example. The new KitchenAid won't take big 11"x17" cookie sheets at all--even with the top rack in its maximum up position. The upper rack track prevents it from leaning against the side wall of the tub, and if you put it inboard of the track, it blocks the middle wash arm. My KDS-18 can take TWO 11"x17" baking pans, one on each side of the lower rack. Because the tracks for the upper rack are so high, the pans can slide in the gap between the tub and the upper rack. Admittedly, an 11x17" baking sheet is bigger than what a lot of people probably have. But it is also pretty standard equipment for people who bake often/cook often/are gourmets/etc--EXACTLY the people KA markets to. Hmph.
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Post# 32260-9/9/2003-14:39 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Quickly discontinued KA Energy Saver IV)
MESSAGE: Thanks I had forgotten as to what model Superba that was. Actually I think I still have the operating manual somewhere. I recall that it took just alittle over 2 hrs. to complete a normal wash program! I learned quickly not to select the "Soak-Cycle" program. It took a full 3 hrs! I did not think to complain to the manufacture. My response to shortening the cycle time to like that of my old Superba was to supply it with 140 F water. That did the trick.
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Post# 32261-9/9/2003-14:43 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid Motors)
MESSAGE: You are right. Those machines did have a 1/2 hp motor. KitchenAid promoted that feature highly. It was given the label of the "Gold Seal" 1/2 hp motor the biggest and best performer.
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Post# 32262-9/9/2003-14:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I love that Light Soil cycle. 40 minutes start to finish, clean dishes, what more can one ask for!
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Post# 32263-9/9/2003-14:56 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT: KA KDS18
MESSAGE: Hi Guys Enjoy this website, and finally a discussion topic I can add too. Have a KDS18 at my home. I would put it up against anything else. Washes Perfect. Dishes off the table right in.
A friend has a new Bosch. Unimpressed; cheezy plasic wash arms no comparison to the hydrosweep. Also have a KDI16 at my vacation home. It only has the hydrosweep and yes you have to load with care, otherwise it washes well. Also a point in reference to the ISE KA lookalike. When Whirlpool bought KA, There was one KA dishwasher plant that ISE took over, which was subsequently closed. That accounts for the machine with KA looks, but items such as the left to right latch.
thanks for a great website
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Post# 32264-9/9/2003-15:14 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I have a couple of the large size insulated cookie sheets, and that may be one thing I'll miss between my Superba and Dishdrawer -- the Superba's ability to take large cookie sheets at the sides. But I only have two of those sheets, so I generally have to handwash them between batches anyway, depending on how many goodies are being baked.
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Post# 32265-9/9/2003-15:17 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: So what we need to do is find some wealthy individual to buy the closed ISE-formerly-KitchenAid factory and start cranking them out again!? And of course Whirlpool would want nothing to do with it, but maybe Hobart would license their name? Can it be THAT far-fetched of an idea? I mean, many of us know how to put them together...
Hmmm.
Does anyone know how the KitchenAid empire got broken apart, exactly? I notice that the garbage disposals and one model of compactor that Viking sells are the old KitchenAid units. Viking calls KitchenAid's Wham-Jam breaker the "Jaminator".
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Post# 32266-9/9/2003-15:26 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Taking too long
MESSAGE: My partner Terrys Whirlpool fl washer he bought 2 years ago, has had a very damn near miss with his machine. While in the main spin the washers machine suspension actually collapsed, to the bottom of the machine. I thank god the water in the washer had extracted before this had happened. He did have the good sense to take out the extended waranty on the washer, its taking too long for the engineer to fix it. As he replaces 1 part hes finding other faults, the engineer keeps saying to Terry as he finds more faulty parts "we dont have that in stock it will take a week to get the part in again" Now this has been on going for 5 weeks now. I am trying to convince Terry to get a new machine from the manufacturer, Terry is 64 years old and set in his ways and will not see my reason.
Conclusion the washer is still not working as he again has to wait for another part, the machines inside has been virtually renewed all except 1 small pipe. Errrm I know what you gonna say he could repair it but that will invalidate the waranty.
regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 32267-9/9/2003-15:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher...Maytag)
MESSAGE: I had that Maytag DW too. I agree with you. I so liked the increase in capacity created from the loading configuration unquie only to Maytag. When mine worked I was very pleased. Upon installation it was not test run. I immediately discover upon commencing the "maiden" wash an unbelievable grinding noise. I had to be stopped. Repeatedly pressing the cancel drain button and nothing happening. Switching the circut breaker put an end to it. It took 10 days to get service. There was a defect in the installation of the impellor. Only a few months after that it would not start. This machine was the top of the line model. No timer dial. To operate it was done with push buttons. The timer motor asssembly had failed. AS for the belt driven moter. The inital introduction of those machins did not have the belt system. The only way to gain access when in need of repair. Meant that the machine had to be uninstalled and turn it upside down. Hence, they were quickly discontinued and redesigned. Mine all to quickly developed a deafening shrieking sound that was maddening. To put a stop to it meant my having to frequently lubriate the belt. Having only been pressed into service just short of 2 years. Once again the timer motor went out. That is when I decided it would too.
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Post# 32268-9/9/2003-15:30 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ??
MESSAGE: Where is the tranny leaking from? If it's from where the cork gasket it, thats normal. If it's leaking from the top of the tranny where the agitator shaft comes out then you need a new tranny along with bearings and seals in the centerpost and a new spin tube.
As for the other one, it needs a tranny. The Sector Gear has gone south.
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Post# 32269-9/9/2003-15:44 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: As a past chat room host and owner, I will endevour to activate our chat room on a nightly basis. Its open now if anyone wants to pop in for a chat.
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Post# 32270-9/9/2003-15:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: I see that great minds think alike. I had just moved into my first apt. and bought a second hand KA Superba for a song. It was not a portable. I did the very same installation as you did. That Superba model had the hydro sweep wash arm in the bottom only and by no means allowing "random" loading. I too recall that the cycle time was very quick and yielded good results. Light wash setting is about all I use on the Frigidaire DW I have. The other cycles take so very long to complete. Especially when the top rack is full and little in the lower.
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Post# 32271-9/9/2003-15:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: ...and an 1100 watt heater from a KDS-17A to improve drying performance as well.
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Post# 32272-9/9/2003-16:03 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher/loading)
MESSAGE: I couldn't agree with you more with regard to the single wash arm and the capacity limitation it created. I learned a loading technique from my Mom. She removed the silverware basket to gain more space. Loading the bottom rack only with pots,pans,bowls,broiler trays and utensils. Then running the KitchenAid Superba model on the "Party Cycle" AKA short wash cycle. The hot water supply in that house was 150+ F. Those bottom rack only loads came out clean.
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Post# 32273-9/9/2003-16:07 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: I ought to do that to mine...the drier the better. It seems to me that using energy saver dry (and the rinse-hold cycle, for that matter) must create the perfect environment for rack rusting. :P
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Post# 32274-9/9/2003-16:20 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (fellow KA fanatic))
MESSAGE: I do too Appnut. Most of this group members share such comradery for the vintage clothes washer. I guess I do too. I still miss the 2 Westinghouse front loaders I ran the piss out of. My hearts desire is to possess a vintage KitchenAid. Not to be my primary DW. I no longer have the patience and a strategy that is necessary to successfully load those vintage KAs. Of all the DWs (many)I have had most were KAs.
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Post# 32275-9/9/2003-16:30 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (date cycle name changed?))
MESSAGE: Deeptub I am so very jealous that you have the KA Superba with the Party Cycle button. I so miss my KA Superba with that beloved cycle. By the way what was that cycle name all about? Go figure? I do not recall what year it appeared and when it disapeared. I so miss my KA Superba even though it had just the one hydro sweep wash arm.
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Post# 32276-9/9/2003-16:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: Actually, it's probably a toss-up on the rack rusting. Although the heated dry would remove moisture from the surface of the racks, Kitchen Aid reported that for every 10 degrees C that you raise the temperature, the plastic coatings useful life was degraded 50 percent. Because of the dryer housing being in the right hand back corner of the tub, most of the racks were cooked quite well and many start to fall apart there (and the ends of tines) first. This was one reason the wattage was reduced in the 18 series to 800W.
The 1100 watt heater is NLA of course, you can still find them in 17 series machines still in use though. I don't worry much about the racks, I have a whole stack of beautful racks in storage.
The 19 series upper wash arm works very well too. My dishwasher is sort of like that old song (Johnny Cash?) about building a Cadillac with parts brought home in a lunchbox!
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Post# 32277-9/9/2003-16:38 ||| Deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (date cycle name changed?))
MESSAGE: Actually, on the KDS-16 and KDS17, "Party" is one of two headings for a group of cycles, the other being "Daily Use".
The Daily Use cycles on my KDS-17A are Full Cycle, Soak Cycle, SaniCycle, and Rinse Hold. The "Party" cycles are Light Soil and Plate Warm. Presumably, the only time you would have lightly soiled platea or would want to warm plates was if you were having a party. Kind of silly, but cool nevertheless.
I'm not sure what the Party Cycle was, which I believe other machines might have had. The Party was over come the KD-18 series, which I think came out sometime in 1976-77, when the heading was changed to "Special Use". Pooh.
T.
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Post# 32278-9/9/2003-16:52 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT: KDS 18 Follow Up
MESSAGE: As a follow up the KA Disposer.. I also have the Superba with MagnaStart but unfortuately its on its last legs. I saw the Viking but 500.00 for it is a bit much.
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Post# 32279-9/9/2003-17:16 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: THE CHAT ROOM IS OPEN GUYS, I WILL BE IN THERE FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE. http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32280-9/9/2003-17:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68)
MESSAGE: Well I have two 11 x 17" cookie sheets that fit nicely on opposite ends of my GE GSD1200
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Post# 32281-9/9/2003-18:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (In-Sink-Erator dishwasher)
MESSAGE: basically a KitchenAid clone with a slidng latch instead of the push latch
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Post# 32282-9/9/2003-18:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KitchenAid/In-Sink-Erator)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool DID keep the mechanical design of Kitchen-Aid, if you look at the mechanical parts of a Whirlpool dishwasher and a KitchenAid, it's obvious they kept the designs separate (surprisingly)
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Post# 32283-9/9/2003-18:41 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (cycle name changed))
MESSAGE: Thanks for your response. Reminding me of the Superba all push button to operat cycle configuration. I have yet to understand why decade after decade that, as you put it, the silly plate warm option still exist. It does not make sense to me either. Yes! It was a dark day when the cycle category labeled "Party" was replaced with the words Special Use. I bet that some Queen is responsible for those three cycle push buttons to have that heading of "Party". Obviously as soon as he was no longer employed at Hobar the word "Party" was replaced with Special Use.
I acquired via e-Bay a 1969 original KitchenAid full page add. You wouldn't believe it. The headline is. "What's new in dishwasher fashion? KitchenAid portables in new Golden Harvest." There is a woman with enormous hair wearing an evening gown get-up exactly the same golden harvest color of the top loadig and Superba DW. Striking an unusual pose. It is hilarious! If your interested I will send a copy to you. Not that you were wrong. I have looked a little closer at the golden harvest KAs in the add. The Superba indeed does have the beloved "Party" cycle category on its all push button control panel!!! Hence, my member profile name.
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Post# 32284-9/9/2003-18:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (door latches)
MESSAGE: Don't go by the door latches, most machines EXCEPT KitchenAid and In Sink Erator used the slide type latch
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Post# 32285-9/9/2003-19:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? ('63 Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Get the repair manual and do it yourself. It's not that hard. tranny is $135, pump is $35 (get a genuine FSP pump, not a Gemline). If you can't find a repair manual for the BD machines, I can scan the procedure from my copy. The process is involved (lots of steps) but not difficult. I've done it 3 times already on my '78 Lady K electronic, twice to replace the tranny itself and once to gain access to replace the basket drive.
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Post# 32286-9/9/2003-19:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Jeeze, that's the size motor in most CLOTHES washers! I know that's what's in my BD Kenmore
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Post# 32287-9/9/2003-19:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Light Soil cycle)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean, the Water Miser cycle on my '78 KM (D & M) dishwasher gets loads clean 9 times out of 10, especially if I extend the wash to 30 instead of the default 20 minutes. Rarely do I have to use the Normal cycle.
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Post# 32288-9/9/2003-19:15 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KA unique door latch)
MESSAGE: I agree with Kenmore1978 not to go only by the slide door latch in determing what brand this DW is. Many years ago before KA was bought out I came across two ISE DWs. They had the slide latch and that was of two differences between it and the KA Superba. The other was that a push button marked "Economy". The same number of cycles offered on the ISE clone with identical placement. The Superba automatically increased the water temp during certain portions of a cycle. The ISE clone allowed the option to control that feature by selecting the "Economy" option. I am not certain about this. This may have been part of the agreement when Hobart subcontract DW production for ISE. The trade mark KA door latch was to only appear on KAs and not on the cloned ISE. That is the only difference between the two machine we are discussing. Just the door latch. This topic has me so regreting that I did not purchase one of those ISE clones. To control the water heating option only when needed I see as a plus. My circa 79/80 sister KA Superba lacked that option and took hours to complete a cycle. Increasing the water supply to 145+ F then cycle time became like that of the old KAs before the energy consumption features were a major selling point. I have forgotten the member that started this post. My recommendation is to buy that machine. I don't think it will be a mistake. KAs have their short comings. They are unlike any other DWs. Real work horses.
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Post# 32289-9/9/2003-19:19 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Twins (pair in phoenix)
MESSAGE: Thank you very much! I hope I can check them out this weekend!
David
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Post# 32290-9/9/2003-19:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (KM BD trannys)
MESSAGE: The bearings in the centerpost are virtually impossible to replace by the home repair person, even the repair manual says to call in the experts. Fortunatly, I've yet to see a bad set. The "spin tube" is actually part of the basket drive and can't be replaced by itself. It has a seal at the top where the agitator shaft goes through and when it goes bad, water goes straight down the agitator shaft and into the transmission (actually called the "gearcase") This is what killed the 2nd gearcase in my machine (the splines on the agitator shaft rusted on the first one, and they don't service that part, even though the rest of the gearcase was fine) because the leaking water ran to the back of machine (our floor isn't level). Therefore, I never noticed the leak until it had diluted the gearcase oil and ruined gearcase #2
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Post# 32291-9/9/2003-19:36 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (miss that cycle))
MESSAGE: All of a sudden there are so many posting regarding the beloved KitchenAids. I sooo miss that speedy Light Wash cycle the Superba had. With 140+ F water supply, common sense loading and Casade detergent. The performance of Light Wash more often than not made there be no need to use the Daily Load and/or Full Cycle. As I type my Frigidaire Gallery top-of-the-line with its' so called auto soil sensor feature has been running well over an hour and the cycle sequence light displays that it is still in the main wash. It is just a load of glasses. That soil sensor is a joke.
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Post# 32292-9/9/2003-19:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables)
MESSAGE: Did any of the KitchenAid portables, especially the last ones, have upper washarms?
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Post# 32293-9/9/2003-19:40 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Genealogy of this DW (KD 21 series with a different "
skirt"
)
MESSAGE: This late 80's In Sink Erator machine is really a Kitchenaid with a different door latch and slightly different controls. During the time that KitchenAid was undergoing ownership changes, Emerson electric played a part, and so for a period of time these machines were produced to satisfy some internal agreement(s)/requirement(s) between the companies.
During the mid '70s Whirlpool produced In Sink Erator and NuTone dishwashers that were based off of the Whirlpool machines of that era. Generally were sold through the construction/builder business.
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Post# 32294-9/9/2003-19:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KDS 18 Follow Up (KitchenAid disposer)
MESSAGE: most people don't bother, but even a garbage disposer CAN be reapired. If you really love KitchenAid....
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Post# 32295-9/9/2003-19:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (soil sensor)
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports didn't think much of the soil sensors, either.
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Post# 32296-9/9/2003-19:49 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables (# of wash arms))
MESSAGE: Hello Kenmore1978. I may be wrong on this. I recall that just as the introduction beneath the top rack direct feed wash arm wash put into production the top loading portable was now no longer available. Soon after that the front loading portable would be too. KAs design of the upper wash arm was so poorly designed. It is as if they avoided other methods of how to do it and/or how the competitors had achieved it. There are clearly design issues those real KA possessed. Whatever? I still carry a tourch for those old behemoths.
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Post# 32297-9/9/2003-19:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Waste King Universal dishwashers
MESSAGE: Not to break up this wonderful KA discussion, but does anyone have experience with Waste King Universal dishwashers? Their big deal was the stainless steel tubs back in the day when the only other company with that feature was KA. A friend of mine's family had one in their house circa 1965. As I remember Consumer Reports didn't think much of their washing ability.
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Post# 32298-9/9/2003-19:56 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (soil sensor)
MESSAGE: I agree with Consumer Reports. This is my first encounter with a DW that has auto soil senor. This load is a top rack full of glasses and now appears to be taking just as long as yesterdays load that was very heavily soiled mostly cookware. Oh well. Clearly a problem of "luxury". So it runs and runs. Not that I would. But I am not washing that load by hand!
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Post# 32299-9/9/2003-19:57 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (marketing agreements)
MESSAGE: RCA & Whirlpool co-mingled for the purposes of offering a complete line of appliances with a easily recognized brand in the later 1950's through the mid 1960's.
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Post# 32300-9/9/2003-20:10 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (WKU DWs)
MESSAGE: Yes. They consistanly would advertise in a quarter of the page add. Placement was on the left hand page bottom left. I found that to be unusual. Always a picture of the racks fully "randomly loaded" as they touted. Because of its' featured direct feed upper wash arm. Designed so that the bottom rack was devided in half by the tower that supplied the top wash arm. The silverware baskets were in the two front corners of the bottom rack. Yes it did have a separate wash lever for the top rack. However, in doing so created limitations of the bottom rack capacity. Certainly not to accomadate anything larger than a 2 qt. sauce pan and/or 8" skillet. You surprise me Kenmore 1978. I thought that Waste King was all but forgotten.
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Post# 32301-9/9/2003-20:53 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Last of the real KitchenAids)
MESSAGE: I thought Maytag BD models used a 1/2 HP motor did they not? Or maybe it was a 1/3 HP.
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Post# 32302-9/9/2003-20:54 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Someone looking for a new Microwave, with Oval Window:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club member's, I know this isn't Classic related, so I will Post on the Sand Box Site, the rest of this info. Please refer to the Sand Box Posting for the info being shared.
Peace, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32303-9/9/2003-20:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher)
MESSAGE: We have one of those amazing maytag DWs too. They are prone to getting plugged up with crap. But as long as it gets hot water and isn't allowed to get plugged up (ours took 10 years to get plugged up and it didn't always get hot water.) it cleans REALLY well. Yes it is noisy too. Ours is noisier since I had to remove the door insulation since it was moldy, but the noisier the better IMO (to a certain extent anyhow, I don't want whisper quiet appliances though.) Plus those things are built like halo of heats or model A*** washers. They don't give up no matter what happens to them. 4 door springs and one water valve in 15 years for ours and it is still chugging along fine. (it will need a new belt in the next year or so, it has become a tiny bit squeaky.)
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Post# 32304-9/9/2003-20:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ??
MESSAGE: It probably has a bad agitator shaft gear which is my guess. But the same noise in spin? Maybe the main gear is gone then?
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Post# 32305-9/9/2003-21:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Taking too long
MESSAGE: You should get the repairman to THOUROULY check out the machine and then order all the parts needed at one time so the most it would have taken was 1 maybe 2 weeks, its too late now I guess.
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Post# 32306-9/9/2003-21:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher...Maytag)
MESSAGE: Too bad, you had an early model? The shrieking would have been a stretched belt. You couldn't get underneath by removing the kick panel? Weird. The timers on the pushbutton machines must have been really complicated hence all the failures.
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Post# 32307-9/9/2003-21:09 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (RCA-WHIRLPOOL)
MESSAGE: I worked for an appliance store as a teen in the early 70's. I remember the owner of the store speaking about the RCA and Whirlpool relationship to customers.It seems that RCA grew a great deal in the early 1950's,and ended ups buying Whirlpool,NBC,and also Beatrice Foods.In the end the government stepped in and put pressure on the parent company (RCA)and RCA sold off the other companies one by one.This is the story I remember from the owner,and I heard it more than just a few times in the seven years that I worked at the store.I will share a little story of my first job with all of you.Ray Adams,of Adams Appliance Store was the first RCA dealer in Indiana,opening his store in 1936.He sold the first RCA color television in FOrt Wayne,in 1954.He was on very good terms with RCA,and even won several awards from them over the years.His little appliance store downtown Fort Wayne was the place everyone went for sales and service of all appliances.He serviced and sold the classics! He watched as appliances became almost disposable,and built cheaper and cheaper.By 1989 his business was down to a trickle.He was glad to get out,by the time a developer wanted to buy him out.Old Ray watched sadly as the wrecking ball took down his old brick building,to make way for an office complex.He then retired and moved to Florida,where he passed away last spring at the ripe old age of 96. Whenever I am reminded about Ray Adams,I can close my eyes and I am back at that old brick store,sweeping the floor,checking in small appliances for repair,or loading the white Ford Econoline for delivery's. I can recall unloading the huge semi trucks from the manufactures,and can even recall what some of the regular drivers looked like,as well as the sales reps that would visit us from the factories. I guess I didn't realize it at the time,but I got in on the tail end of what small retail appliance stores were before the big chain stores put them under.My first job didn't pay much,but it was sure a lot of fun!!! Thanks for letting me walk down memory lane!! Rickr.
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Post# 32308-9/9/2003-21:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Ya that's crazy for a dishwasher. Our garage opener has a 1/2 HP motor!
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Post# 32309-9/9/2003-21:28 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (KM BD trannys)
MESSAGE: Yes the bearings can be replaced by anyone who knows what they are doing. And YES the spin tube can be replaced without replacing the clutch/brake, again if you know what you are doing.
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Post# 32310-9/9/2003-22:19 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: And what a beautiful machine that is too Greg, I might add!! Really Kitchen Aid at its finest!
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Post# 32311-9/9/2003-22:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: My 1992 Superba has a 1/2 HP "Gold Seal" motor. I just checked. And yes, the label/sticker on the motor really is gold colored!
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Post# 32312-9/9/2003-22:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (KM BD trannys)
MESSAGE: I've replaced bearings. Of course, that was when I worked for the Whirlpool dealer in high school . . . not at home.
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Post# 32313-9/9/2003-22:41 ||| ottawamaytags (Ottawa, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help (Maytag A502 Washer disassembly nightmare)
MESSAGE: **** Actually you can do a swip swap of an orbital tranny with a counterweight tranny. That was one of the good things, the shaft lengths, splines etc were all identical. Someone here just did a tranny swap in an older maytag (I always forget who does the interesting things:-( ****
Thanks for the heads-up! :)
Now, about the brake, how about the threads on that? [grin] Nah, I can't justify replacing the transmission, nor would I really want to. Part of the joy of using that thing is knowing about the massive counterweight flying at ~600RPM just on the other side of that 20-gauge sheetmetal.
I'm trying to decide which is gonna be cheaper to cut - the brake housing or the already-broken-but-I-can-weld-it-back-together bottom support.
****For spin, like you said it sounds like the stem and seal and bearing all have to be replaced.****
Oh yeah. The bearings were cooked, and that was even before I got them hot enough for their grease to spontaneously burn trying to get the tub support off. This thing is a _nightmare_.
**** And also, the leak with good trannys is SLOW. Our kenmore BD leaked a little puddle over 15 years. That little bit of oil doesn't make a bit of difference to the transmission. Eventually it would run out of oil, but at the regular rate of a healthy tranny, that would take 100 years. Whereas if the whole bottom panel is covered in oil in a thick blanket, then obviously replaced the oil. But I guess since you are already far into the machine, you may as well get it cleaned up/topped off. ****
That's right, that's the plan. I don't want to blow the transmission. I figure 1 drop per day at 0.5 mL per drop. If the washer is ~40 years old and the leak has been happening for 30 years (assume the first ten were leak-free), then we're at:
(0.5mL drop per day) * (30 years) * (364.25 days per year) = 5.5L.
Now, there's no way that transmission had 5.5L of oil in it when it was new (think of 2L soft drink bottles!), so it's probably either out of oil, or running with a lot less lubrication than it was meant to - I suspect it's basically dry inside. Never mind that the oil is old now and therefore of questionable quality from moisture ingress and wear-based metal filings. I don't want to have scored gears or worse to cope with later.
I love the thing, otherwise I'd just pitch it. It's so purty and it's never let me down. 2 belts and an injection hose in the 10+ years I've had it!
LINK: http://www.glowingplate.com/maytag/
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Post# 32314-9/9/2003-23:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors Gold Seal)
MESSAGE: "Oh Great One KitchenAid Dishwasher God". DadeOS you have been chosen to be blessed by "Great One" and possess the highest gifts of all. The KitchenAid 1/2 hp Gold Seal motor. You must immediately bring gifts as an offering to the "Great One" shrine. And I quote from Mother Teresa's writings. "More tears are cried for those prayers that are answered than those that are not". Until now the tile of my life story was to be "As Luck Would Have It". DadeOs you have restored my faith. Thank you. Now the title will be "Answered Prayers". I just know that some day soon I will possess a vintage KitchenAid Superba with the Gold Seal motor.
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Post# 32315-9/9/2003-23:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help (Maytag A502 Washer disassembly nightmare)
MESSAGE: Inside the cabinet in the damper assembly is an allen screw that needs to be removed, then you use special brake removal tool # 38315 and turn counter clockwise (from the bottom again) to remove brake assembly.
You may have already figured this out by now, but you shouldn't have to cut anything to get it off.
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Post# 32316-9/9/2003-23:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Maytag loading)
MESSAGE: I agree, I really don't like "whisper quiet" appliances. I want to hear mechanical noise (within reason, I did have an old GE Mobile Maid, and since those were single wall machines, it was REALLY noisy. Door springs do seem to be a weak point, I've replaced quite a few on my '78 KM. Really annoying, since one has to pull the machine at least part way out of its hole to replace them And Kurt, you gonna fix the Jet Dry dispenser while you're fixing the squeaky belt :-)
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Post# 32317-9/9/2003-23:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement)
MESSAGE: Problem is, the spin tube is not serviced as a separate part from the basket drive. I imagine it could be done if one had another basket drive with a good spin tube to cannabalize from. I was annoyed that I had to scrap an entire gearcase just because the splines that held the agitator had rusted. It's obvious that the gearcase could easily be disassembled and just the shaft replaced, but again, that part is not serviced separately from the rest of the gearcase.
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Post# 32318-9/9/2003-23:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag A502 Washer transmission disassembly help (Maytag A502 Washer disassembly nightmare)
MESSAGE: Ya the older trannys were quieter, sturdier and like you mentioned, more fun:-)
I know exactly how you feel wanting to repair/restore it. With new oil, bearings and any other wear part, it will go for another 40 years.
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Post# 32319-9/9/2003-23:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Years ago, I was in an appliance showroom and saw a dishwasher with a strange configuration. I've seen systems where a column of water is shot up from the lower wash arm into the bottom of the upper wash arm (Whirlpool), tubes up the inside or outside of the tub (KM and others), hole in back shooting water into upper wash arm (KA). But THIS dishwasher, (it might have been a Thermador) had the lower and upper wash arms physically connected by a tube. Anybody seen this?
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Post# 32320-9/9/2003-23:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Maytag loading)
MESSAGE: I spent an hour trying to get the dern thing fixed. I think the solenoid is ok (I don't have an ohmeter so I can't test it.) And the pin now moves smoothly, but still, it is stuck in the open position. So as soon as I add jet dry, it all pours out down the door when I close the door:-( I am quite sure I put it back together wrong but I don't have a good one to compare. Plus those things are expensive. I saw one on the internet for 110 dollars american. That's crazy for a solenoid and a piece of plastic. Heck, you can get two solenoids with a metal support AND plungers (wigwag obviously) for 30 dollars. Oh well, eventually that belt will be replaced. It goes through phases of squeaking at the end of drain, then it goes a few months without squeaking a bit.
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Post# 32321-9/9/2003-23:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement)
MESSAGE: But if you look at Uni's restoration pics of his 1957 lady k, he bought a brand new spin tube and a brand new agitator shaft for the used tranny he also bought.
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Post# 32322-9/9/2003-23:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes. I had forgotten all about it until your posting. I came across one at a friend of a friends home while attending some function many years ago. I may be wrong. I remember that that very different wash arm setup being and having a short life before discontinuation as a Thermador. Kenmore1978 you have amazed me. Thank you. I thought that I was alone.
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Post# 32323-9/10/2003-00:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube and agitator shaft replacement)
MESSAGE: Those parts may have been serviced separately for those machines, but somewhere between then and 1978 (or earlier) they stopped. About the only thing you can get separetely is the wig wag, the cam slides, and the main pulley.Recetly had to buy a wig wag assembly, when I knew that it was only the spin solenoid that was bad. It's all riveted together, you can't buy or replace just the agitate or spin solenoids alone, only comes as an ASSEMBLY :-( Believe me, I've been all through the parts lists, and certainly would've gotten those parts separately if I could've. You may have noticed, for most companies (this is also very apparent in cars) is to sell parts as complete assemblies or to make universal parts that substitute and will work but don't look like the original part.
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Post# 32324-9/10/2003-00:19 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement)
MESSAGE: Really?? When did that happen? All the parts were available separately back in my day . . . but that was more than 20 years ago.
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Post# 32325-9/10/2003-00:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube and agitator shaft replacement)
MESSAGE: The spin tube on some whirlpool/kenmore machines were different? I thought all the spin tubes were the exact same except different lengths.
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Post# 32326-9/10/2003-02:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes, I've seen this before. Overhere in Europe the first Indesit had this system. Ofcourse it took a part of the bottom rack. It's a cheap but functional solution.
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Post# 32327-9/10/2003-07:34 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Kenmore, I remember this DW, also. I think it had a SS tank, didn't it?
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Post# 32328-9/10/2003-08:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher (Waste King)
MESSAGE: Waste King/Thermador is correct. I grew up with one and several houses in the neighborhood had them. Ours was installed 1971 or thereabouts. When a new house was built up the street in 1974, they got one too.
-ph
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Post# 32329-9/10/2003-08:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS?)
MESSAGE: I thought KA always had porcelain enamel tubs?
-ph
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Post# 32330-9/10/2003-08:55 ||| fnelson487 (St. Charles, Il)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS?)
MESSAGE: I am thoroughly enjoying the thread about KitchenAid Dishwashers. I have always been a HUGE fan of them. Back in the sixties, it was the sign of class and upper-end kitchens. When I first moved out of the house one of the first things I bought was a Superba KDS-17. Through the years I have had a series of KitchenAids and Maytags and so have seen the evolution. When I bought my last home here in Chicago, I bought the new tall-tub TOL stainless Superba. It now sits in the basement, replaced by my favorite KA of all time the KDS-17 which I acquired from someone in Palm Springs. Pristine condition. I think when the went to two wash arms things started downhill. The construction on these things is amazing, and such a classy look. It is a bit louder, but I have used them for so long, I am used to the loading quirks and I think they wash fantastic. BTW - A stainless interior tub was an option on some of the series including the KDS - 17.
Fred Nelson
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Post# 32331-9/10/2003-11:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS?)
MESSAGE: John Lefever has one (or maybe two) KA Superbas in his warehouse that have stainless steel tubs.
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Post# 32332-9/10/2003-12:28 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: Hi gang! Does the small Frigidaire washer in today's POD have up-and-down agitation or does it have a Skinny-Mini one-piece plastic tub and agitator? Come to think of it, did the Skinny-Mini with the one-piece not appear until the Dark Ages of the WCI era?
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Post# 32333-9/10/2003-12:34 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: I was wondering the same thing, but I'm thinking the one in the POD has the one piece agitub. The agitub was a GM creation, sold in the 70s, and I don't think Westinghouse carried that one over either.
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Post# 32334-9/10/2003-12:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Light Soil cycle)
MESSAGE: Ithink I've used my Normal cycle 3 times. Light Soil has a heated main wash and only uses 8 gallons. I use it most of the time. For heavy stuf, I go a head and use PotScrubber because it uses the same amount of water as Normal (11.9) and if Ineed the "oomph" I might as well use PS.
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Post# 32335-9/10/2003-12:36 ||| Bengrimm (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT: GE Stratoliner?
MESSAGE: Hi,
I just moved into my new (old) home. It came complete with a vintage stove which I cather from the original manual is a GE Stratoliner (push button, calrod hi-speed cooker, etc). The last owner said it had been found a few years back, unused in storage at an estate sale. The thing is in immaculate shape and perfect working order.
How can I find out more about this stove. I have the sense that it's fairly valuable, but no idea how valuable.
Could any of you help eliminate some of my ignorance and point me in the right direction?
Thanks so much,
BenGrimm
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Post# 32336-9/10/2003-12:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers
MESSAGE: We had a TOL 1959 Waste King and then a almost TOL 1968 Waste King. The first was a KA wnnnabe. The second one was okay. Our 1972 Kenmore rotorack did a better cleaning job.
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Post# 32337-9/10/2003-12:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: Our 1968 Waste King was like this arrangement. Physically connected tubes and wash arms. Turned on it's side, it would have looked like an H
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Post# 32338-9/10/2003-12:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: Skinny Mini
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Post# 32339-9/10/2003-12:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (standalone Agi-Tub)
MESSAGE: The Agi-Tub actually appeared quite early in the GM 1-18 years. The standalone washer and dryer as shown in the ad were only available for a year or two. I'll let one of our resident Tech-Talk bookworms fill us in on the complete story. The Agi-Tub's demise was the GM sell to WCI in 1979.
-ph
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Post# 32340-9/10/2003-13:05 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (Re: "
POD"
Portable Frigidaire Pair for $340 )
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, that is correct that those Portable Model's Washer did have the Agi-Tub, the Frigidaire exclusive. "BTW" that "POD" as with more to come hopefully soon are being shared by me. I also more recently had the old Frigidaire Washer "Horse-Blanket" Photo included for the "POD's" from my "Archive" of Appliance Brochure's. Enjoy them as much as I enjoy everyone's "POD's" shared as well and be on the
"Look-Out" for more to come real soon. I will let everyone know when mine are being Viewed.
Peace to everyone, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32341-9/10/2003-13:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (Re: )
MESSAGE: Thank you for contributing pictures of the day. There were so many wonderful ads for so many years and they are fun to either see again, or see for the first time!
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Post# 32342-9/10/2003-14:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (Re: )
MESSAGE: Steve, thank you for sharing your generous collection with us. It's such an indiscribeable treat.
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Post# 32343-9/10/2003-15:40 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: Chat room is open now guys, I will host it for an hour or so. So if you wanna chat to me then do feel free
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Post# 32344-9/10/2003-18:40 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: The recent postings about DW reminded me of the costly repair I incurred from the use of liquid detergent. Hopefully you will not. 20+ years ago the production of the first liquid DW detergents became available. This would be several years before DW manufactures caught up and redesigned detergent dispenser to correctly dispence liquids having this viscosity. I might be wrong about this. The vintage DW that I know of had one or the other type of detergent dispenser. Neither were designed for liquid detergents. I did not know this. Using a liquid detergent resulted in the need for an expensive repair. The mechanically operated dispenser is box shape and mounted onto the door. Manufactures that used this method were GE, Kenmore and several others. The mechanically operated dispenser method exist today. As the cycle proceeds to the main wash the movement for the cycle timer dial mechanically activates the dispenser. Those of you familiar with this method. Know from experience. You miss the first fill position. To begin the cycle again requires turing the dial back to start. Doing so causes the mechanically operated dispenser to open when you don't want it to. A small annoyance. The second typed used to control the detergent dispenser is the thermal switch. This method was used by KitchenAid, Maytag, Frigidaire and on some Westinghouse DW. These dispensers are mounted into the DW door. To close the dispenser is done by rotating a cover. During the beginning of the main wash a spring is used to open the dispenser having been released by a thermal switch. Not a mechanical action. This type of dispenser closes tightly unlike the box shaped mechanical dispensers. I had purchased (circa 78/79) the top-of-the-line all push button with the unique racks only to Maytag. This machine had the thermal operated dispenser. Unfortunatley it was a lemon. In need of too many repairs. One of which was as a result from using liquid detergent. Doing so rendered the detergent dispenser in operable and to be replaced. During this time I had two friends that had KitchenAids and encountered the same need for repair. Having used liquid detergent. Eventually the dispenser becomes almost glued shut. Faced with our beloved vintage DW in need of repair means locating the difficult to find parts. If you are using liquid detergent in your vintage dishwasher chances are eventually you will have the same problem I did. I hope not. The vintage DW is a dedicated mechanical behemoth. Take good care of her. She will continue to be a cherished servant.
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Post# 32345-9/10/2003-19:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher (Stainless steel mystery DW)
MESSAGE: Yes, it did have a stainless steel tub, at that time only seen on KA an Waste King Universal.
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Post# 32346-9/10/2003-19:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair (one piece agitub)
MESSAGE: Or as I call it, the "Suzy Homemaker" system of agitation.
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Post# 32347-9/10/2003-19:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Stratoliner? (Stratoliner range)
MESSAGE: Well, let's start with a model and serial number. They'll tell us a lot.
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Post# 32348-9/10/2003-19:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: Actually, Kenmore used both methods, my 1962 top-load 600 uses the timer to release the detergent. I don't think liquid detergent would hurt them, as the dispenser is mounted on the wall and has little trap doors that fall open (with the help of little springs) when the timer moves a tab under them one way or another. Kenmore then went to the thermal switch system. I also imagine it wouldn't hurt the GE's that used a cup that a spring turned upside down when the timer released it. Also, are you refering to the early liquid detergents that used clay to make them semi-liquid, or the newer gel type liquids?
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Post# 32349-9/10/2003-20:14 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: Did the agitubs turnover/clean very well? It seems with the tub and agitator as one, the clothes would just float and get pulled back and forth, not really turning over. Can someone fill me in on the cleanability?
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Post# 32350-9/10/2003-20:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: Not only does liquid detergent cause bad cleaning AND clogging dispensers. It also leaks out of some dispensers before it opens. Such as our maytag's dispenser, it doesn't have a gasket to hold the liquid in so it just leaks out in the prewash. But after that one time a while ago, we aren't using liquid again so it doesn't matter.
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Post# 32351-9/10/2003-20:32 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: Hello Kenmore. The answer to your question is yes. Palmolive and Electrasol were the ones I remember. I also recall that both of them quickly disappeared. Then to return and promoted as new and improved. Go figure? The damage to Maytag by then was already done. Since then only once and this was recently I tried a gel detergent. I think it was Cascade Complete. The label said there was no need to use a separate rinse agent. Not true! After 2 uses the increase in water spots was incredible. That jug went into the trash. Back to Cascade Pure Rinse. Whatever pure rinse is to mean. I think it was 76/77 I bouth the all push button portable Lakdy Kenmore DW. It had the "water miser" cycle. I have forgotten so much over the years. Yet I still remember this. Consumer Reports gave a high rating to this model HRH Lady K. It was the only DW to have 2 direct feed wash arms. With that knowledge in hand I specifically purchased that model. Included in that rating was mention of the performance being identical to that of "normal" wash when selecting 150 F high temp option and the "light" wash cycle. They were right. Rarely did use other cycles. Correct me if I am wrong? The difference between "water miser" and "normal" and/or "pots-n-pans" was the deletion of just one rinse?
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Post# 32352-9/10/2003-20:36 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers
MESSAGE: Hey Gang....
I've had two Waste King dishwashers. The first, mom bought in 1969. It was stainless steel inside but with the "hydro tower" as they called it supplying water to the second rack. It sucked eggs. Couldn't clean worth a crap, was noisy, and with NYC's hard water at the time, made matters worse. For the $275 it cost back then, it lasted only one year before the bearings in the motor went. Some 8 years later, she went and bought another one...the SS911. It was the same machine but with the second wash arm up top fed by the stainless steel tube that ran up the center of the machine. It did limit capacity, and with the split silverware baskets located in the two front corners of the lower rack, even more so. But it did wash very well. You rarely took anything out of that machine that was dirty. We just learned early on that you did not wash your fine china in there. It would smash it to pieces. You could accomodate nothing larger then an 8 qt sauce pot on the bottom. Platters, pans, cookie sheets were out of the question...nothing larger then an 11" plate. It random loaded very nicely with removeable upper rack inserts. It was quieter then the origial, but not as quiet as the KitchenAid we had in our vacation home. It did manage to last 12 years under constant daily use before the motor gave up. It was an unspectacular design, expensive for it's time with a questionable reputation, but a solid performer, reliable (never one service call), but fussy to load...no tall glasses allowed up top, and don't dare put them on the bottom. But it was built as solidly as a rock. The Thermador dishwashers of that time were identical to the Waste Kings.
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Post# 32353-9/10/2003-20:41 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: But that's why they lasted for so many years....the motors don't have to work all that hard to do the job. The harder they work, the hotter they get, the less they live.
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Post# 32354-9/10/2003-20:42 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: I agree that the end results of the over promted gel detergents is a joke. You speak of the gels leaking from your Maytag dispenser. Remind me? The Maytag you speak of is the one that the dishes were loaded in the top rack? That is the model I had and that using gel detergent was the cause of the dispener to be replaced. That was over 20 years ago. I recall that the part was $80 not including labor!
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Post# 32355-9/10/2003-20:43 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: mystery dishwasher
MESSAGE: That was either a Thermador or a Waste King dishwasher...they were the only ones to have that configuration. I had two of them.
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Post# 32356-9/10/2003-20:55 ||| Partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: You got that right! Those Gold Seal 1/2 hp motors were such work horses. Nothing like it since. The motor in my 6 month old all push button Frigidaire Gallery DW looks like something from Barbies Malibu House. As of the beginning of the month and since then. The motor has developed some sort of death rattle. It is my landlords problem not mine.
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Post# 32357-9/10/2003-21:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Probably true, but driving a water pump isn't very stressful for a motor, and a large motor like a 1/2 hp is bound to use more power.
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Post# 32358-9/10/2003-21:33 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: No doubt the Gold Seal 1/2 hp motor guzzled more energy. Obviously a smaller motor could have performed as well as being more efficient. Not to forget the size of those Gold Seal 1/2 hp motors. They are huge! KitchenAid's choice in using that particular motor and the space of doing so required. Made the wash chamber small and impossible to incorporate but one hydro sweep wash arm. The motor panel on those machines was at least 8". Hobart was very slow in designing a second wash arm. Competing DWs had long since done so. When they finally did it was a poor design. They were still trying to included that large motor.
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Post# 32359-9/10/2003-21:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the direct fed little "baby" wash arm in the top of the LadyK's. :-)
The Water Miser cycle cuts out the rinse between the pre-wash and the main wash and one of the 3 rinses, and extended the time of one of the remaining rinses.
Water Miser
pre-wash, main wash, extended rinse, rinse, dry
Normal Wash
pre-wash, rinse, main wash, rinse, rinse, rinse, dry
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Post# 32360-9/10/2003-21:38 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: This is basically the skinny mini stack as two separate pieces. The agitub is quite neat and has fairly good turnover as long as you don't overload it ... but that's true for most washers. At our last New Orleans wash-in, Jason L shot video footage of the agi-tub doing a load of laundry.
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Post# 32361-9/10/2003-21:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: motor size
MESSAGE: Since we're on the subject of motor sizes, what is smallest HP and the largest HP motor anybody here has seen in a clothes washer?
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Post# 32362-9/10/2003-21:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: God Bless you Kenmore1978! How could I have forgotten the top of the tank direct feed "baby" wash arm that our beloved HRH Lady K provided? What is the matter with me? I cry softly. Then to have completely forgotten the cycle sequence differences between normal wash and "waster miser"! Again, I continue to cry softly. Sort of. Count your blessings Kenmore1978. You could have beem sentenced to get by with a "builder issue" GE DW! Indeed a lucky man you are to have a vintage Lady K.
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Post# 32363-9/10/2003-22:01 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: ALL THIS TALK ABOUT DISHWASHERS!
MESSAGE: HEY GANG,
JUST THOUGHT i WOULD ADD MY 2 CENTS WORTH! As an appliance repairman I still come across some 20+ yr old kitchenaid dishwashers. The superba model was VERY popular, most ppl I talked with only used the daily loads/normal cycle. Although they were built well and had a long life(patterned after the Hobart commercial dishwashers of the day) there are a few things about them I didn't like. I thought they were noisy and the superba had an overly complicated timer.Though they always had some type of filter, early models did not have a soft food disposer. Bottom rack was free of wash towers etc. but loading dinner plates down the middle of the rack left little room for odd shaped pieces or pots and pans. I have never owned a classic kitchenaid d/w, but I do own a Kenmore Elite (kitchenaid) with a ss tub. You do get used to a quiet running d/w . For the amount of water it uses, it does a pretty good job. Cycle times are long though. That took a little getting used to!
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Post# 32364-9/10/2003-22:04 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: Well, I have a 1977 Whirlpool dishwasher. It has both a top, and bottom spray arm. If I were able to, I'd keep the machine running, as it does work very well. It probably works better then the new Maytag does by far.
MrCoffee
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Post# 32365-9/10/2003-22:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: When did maytag first come out with their dishwasher? Because if I get it right, their dishwashers have always had 2 direct feed wash arms too. (one top, one bottom) Only recently have they put one under the top rack fed by the wash tower.
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Post# 32366-9/10/2003-22:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Wouldn't they get hotter due to the extra electricity running through them?
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Post# 32367-9/10/2003-22:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent
MESSAGE: Yes, our maytag is the same design at least as yours was (and it has the same dispenser.) I can see why it would get gummed up. Ours is still the origional light blue colored one, it matches the origional blue door gasket and the blue specks on the porceline interior as well as the racks. We almost had to have it replaced, but the repairman did not have the older style bi-metal dispenser in his truck so he just put in a bolt (the plastic stoppers on our dispenser snapped so the door when all the way around and the spring had no tension, therefore it didn't open.) The bolt now acts like a stopper.
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Post# 32368-9/10/2003-22:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: That is another thing I like about our maytag, the motor is huge (at least as big as a washer motor) and the pump is huge (as big as a pump AND motor of today.) Yet the access panel height and wasted space in the tub is only as much as current whirlpool and GE machines. I still don't know why maytag ditched that design...
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Post# 32369-9/10/2003-22:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD 9/9 The $340 Frigi Pair
MESSAGE: I see, that is another thing I like about whirlpool/kenmore belt drive dual action agitators. Not only could the transmission more than take the extra load of an overloaded load, but the dual action agitator could push all those clothes around pretty well for being overloaded. That is something no other machine could do, turn over an overloaded load.
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Post# 32370-9/10/2003-22:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (short cycles)
MESSAGE: What is wrong with the machine? Like you mentioned, the newer maytags are not as good as older ones. But they are still better than current GEs/frigidaires. Any older dishwasher cleans well since, for the most part, they used lots more water and had lots of rinses.
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Post# 32371-9/10/2003-22:23 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: I think they abandoned the design because of the belt breakage, water usage and noise. Putting the motor in front made it noisier, especially when it drains. Was easier to fix you could just replace the whole power module without separating it from the motor like others.
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Post# 32372-9/10/2003-23:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (agree)
MESSAGE: I agree Scott ...
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Post# 32373-9/10/2003-23:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 thanks T)
MESSAGE: thanks for your comments and advice :)
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Post# 32374-9/10/2003-23:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: I agree, I am not sure why Hobart sold off residential DW's; I do remember them having a heftier price tag vs. there counterparts. But they had alot to offer. I have a friend who sells for "Hobart", I will have to ask him. He says he can get me a commercial, undercounter, new Hobart for a couple grand. Has a five minute cycle and walla, clean dishes.
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Post# 32375-9/10/2003-23:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (thanks )
MESSAGE: thanks for that info, that helps alot ............
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Post# 32376-9/10/2003-23:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: I was told that those energy saver/heat off buttons do not really lower your electric bill that much overall. Of course depends on how often you run the machine and what the rates are in your area. I was told that the heat off button on my folks 1982 GE dw saved an average $20.-- a year ?? doesn't seem right ?? Needless to say, they always use the heated drying.
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Post# 32377-9/10/2003-23:30 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (date cycle name changed?))
MESSAGE: I would love to see a "party cycle" button, that is so funny to me. Who thought this up ??
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Post# 32378-9/10/2003-23:35 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? ('63 Kenmore COPY?)
MESSAGE: procedure copy from manual would be greatly appreciated, thanks much for your help > gregm978@aol.com
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Post# 32379-9/10/2003-23:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables)
MESSAGE: I have the last of the cast iron spray arm, a 1963, basic, bottom of the line machine, drain works, it does NOT fill, motor hums, and it leaks, I think the motor is no good, there is NOTHING binding it, but could be the timer ?? bad fill valve ?? I am hellbent on restoring this too :), it is a portably, KDY-4P, I assume the "P" means portable but I wonder what the Y means?
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Post# 32380-9/10/2003-23:45 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: No, actually electric motors are remarkably efficient machines. They will only draw the current they need to do the job. The ratings you see on their plates are the maximum current the motor will use. When the motor is under a high load, it draws maximum amperage. Under a low load, less amperage, so it will run cooler. You'll notice that they are noiser too the harder they work. A motor which is grossly oversized for it's task would be wasteful, since it needs a minumum amount of energy to start and run anyway. An undersized motor will quickly burn out because it will always try and draw more energy than it was designed to to do a job it is not capable of doing in the first place.
Modern electric dishwashers make due with the smaller motors they use because a dishwasher does not require a high torque motor the way a washer or dryer does as it does not start against any real load, as opposed to a washer with 200 or so pounds of clothes and water inside of it, or a dryer with a load of wet clothes and the weight of the drum and the resistence of the belt drive and a blower to boot. Dishwahsers only require a high RPM motor (usually 3,450 rpm) to get the job done, versus 1750 RPM for a washer and 900 RPM for a dryer (or do I have that backwards??) The older machines used high powered, high torque motors, which are kind of wasteful for that application. You'll notice the difference when you see the lights dim when the older K/A dishwashers start vs when the newer ones with the induction type motors start. I believe my GE has a 1.8 amp motor, while my old Superba with the 1/2 HP motor drew 7.5 amps. It was like one of those old prison movies every time that machine started to wash. The GE is still a high RPM motor, but a low torque unit compared to the old KitchenAid. The mor efficient pump designs also contribute a lot to the efficiency of the machine....and the quiet, too.
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Post# 32381-9/10/2003-23:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: Didn't Thermador ?? by Waste King ?? offer some sort of cycle/function that would actually steam clean the dishes ??
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Post# 32382-9/10/2003-23:48 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: older is better, I love the noises, clicks, bangs, I have no interest in a quiet DW :)
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Post# 32383-9/10/2003-23:48 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: That's exactly right Coldspot...they had a very high frequency of repair on those machines because the belts used to break. And they were noisy, too. But you never had to worry about a sump leak destroying your motor and they were noted to be excellent performers.
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Post# 32384-9/10/2003-23:50 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA - Whirlpool (RCA-WHIRLPOOL)
MESSAGE: wow, what a great piece of history .........
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Post# 32385-9/10/2003-23:52 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: Actually, both machines offered "Steam Cycles". The Waste King SS911 offered both a light steam and a heavy steam cycle. The Thermador was the more top of the line machine with more cycle choices, but with similar steam cycles. Newspaper advertising dubbed them the "steam machines". The machines had an aluminum heat exchanger built onto the heating element that made steam out of the water in the bottom of the tank when the machine went through the steam cycle. Apparantly, they were capable of 174 degree temperatures back then. Unfortunately, no one makes parts for those machines any more. They stopped in 1998. They were actually good dishwahsers, just inflexible loaders.
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Post# 32386-9/10/2003-23:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Washer needs tranny ?? (Spin tube replacement(thnx))
MESSAGE: I have printed out most of your posts re: tranny replacement, etc. I very much appreciate your comments/postings ......
regards,gregm
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Post# 32387-9/10/2003-23:56 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: Deeptub, is that true? Viking sells the K/A garbage disposal with the Wham Jam Breaker???? I loved mine totally. That thing has been in service now for over 22 years in my old house in NY and it's still going. Oh my God, I want another one.
You know, that was even a question on Hollywood Squares...where in your kitchen would you find your wham jam breaker????
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Post# 32388-9/10/2003-23:59 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: Hell, you can count me in on that one....that would be like a dream come true....and I'll bet we'd find that there is a bigger market out there for them then anyone can imagine. They are still THE classic dishwasher of all time.
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Post# 32389-9/11/2003-00:02 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: any body remember a DW detergent called "finish" ?? thats what my mom used for years growing up, she hated cascade, I like electrasol tabs or powder ...
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Post# 32390-9/11/2003-00:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: separate drain motor
MESSAGE: my ' 63 Kitchen Aid port. has a separate small drain motor ...
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Post# 32391-9/11/2003-00:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size
MESSAGE: smallest I have seen is 1/4hp and largest 3/4hp
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Post# 32392-9/11/2003-00:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Philco-FORD dw and Kenmore
MESSAGE: my folks bought a 1968 built-in Philco-FORD dw and it had a lower, bigger spray arm and smaller upper spray arm fed by a clear tube coming up from the back left corner to the back middle. It worked decent. I noticed many Kenmores with the same setup after the disappearance of the upper "roto-rack"
On a separate note, they had also purchased their first self-clean elec range and the whole top would lift up and allow you to wipe the stainless steel off of any spills, etc. NO DRIP PANS, my mom loved it and I have NEVER seen a stove since that was designed to be cleaned so easily.
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Post# 32393-9/11/2003-00:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember it well, it was a good product. We used Cascade most of the time (as I do today) and occasionally Finish or Electrasol. Calgonite and Dishwasher All are missing in action these days too; I used the latter for awhile in the late 80s; it was reasonably priced and I got very good results.
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Post# 32394-9/11/2003-00:13 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Thursday's "POD" Frigidaire Dryer's:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, the "POD" for Thursday is another Photo I'm sharing with the Club Site, from my Archive of Brochures. I hope that you enjoy seeing this one and more to come soon.
Peace, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 32395-9/11/2003-00:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (motor noise burnout ??)
MESSAGE: so is it fair to predict that a harder working, noisier motor will burn out quicker, based on the symptom of it being noisier?? I ask this because my recent find of a ' 49 GE dw when the water gets dumped into the tub for the wash, and it hits the impeller the motor noise increases not dramatically but yet significantly ............
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Post# 32396-9/11/2003-00:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: I loved the "thwunck" of the drain solenoid of our KDI-17A.
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Post# 32397-9/11/2003-00:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Thursday's "POD" Frigidaire Dryer's:
MESSAGE: Yay!
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Post# 32398-9/11/2003-00:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Re: Thursday's "POD" Frigidaire Dryer's:
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve, bring it on!!!
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Post# 32399-9/11/2003-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: Maytag was a latecomer to the dishwasher market, their first models came out in 1967-68. I think it was mentioned earlier that they had some service and reliability issues with the first design and quickly moved to the belt-driven pump designs that lasted in modified forms until the early 90's. There were several of these style in our family, including a 1981 portable in our own kitchen (freight train sound effects at no extra charge!) and were always good performers. Maytag had the tower/tube in the center and "full size" arms at the below the lower rack and above the top rack. 87 pin-hole sized openings gave it the "jetclean" name and the filter made that system possible.
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Post# 32400-9/11/2003-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KitchenAid portables)
MESSAGE: "Y" was the single cycle version. The KD-4P was a two cycle machine.
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Post# 32401-9/11/2003-00:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: The Steam Machine! I have a plexiglas display door for this model if anyone finds one. I only saw one of these running once - it was really just a glorified soak cycle with some water heating noise added for drama.
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Post# 32402-9/11/2003-00:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: Yes I forgot about that (my experience with it having been on a 16). Was 18 the first one to abandon the continuously running motor in favor of one that stops and starts for fills and drains?
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Post# 32403-9/11/2003-01:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: Between that and the dry fan motor and all the clicking and light changing with the rapid advance timer, they were such interesting machines!
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Post# 32404-9/11/2003-01:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (vintage)
MESSAGE: Jeeze, it seems so strange to think of 1978 as "vintage" when it seems like yesterday...
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Post# 32405-9/11/2003-01:07 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: Interesting thing is, one of my aunts had a KDI-17 and the drain solenoid wasn't nearly so obvious on her machine. Ours had a really strong sound, preceeded by momentary but very charming electrical hum as the solenoid energized -- kind of like mmmTHWUNCK, followed by the gurgling of the water in the sink drain, then the churning noises of the pump as it lost prime. Loved it!
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Post# 32406-9/11/2003-01:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (top spray)
MESSAGE: What I thought was "clever" when I saw it was a Wards dishwasher that had a little cup with fins attached to the top of the tank. A stream of water from the wash arm would hit it, and it would spin and spray the water downwards. A cheap way to approximate KM, GE, and others top down spray without having to actually plumb a water supply to it.
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Post# 32407-9/11/2003-01:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: I usually use the "Power Miser" (heat off) function most of the time, but find that what's REALLY handy about having the heat off option is that it lets me wash plastic items in the bottom rack
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Post# 32408-9/11/2003-01:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: When I was growing up, it wasrd getting my family to USE a dishwasher!. But yes, I do remember Finish being one of the detergents mentioned in the owners manuals of dishwashers of 60's.
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Post# 32409-9/11/2003-01:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: Nice thing about my Superba is I could put plastic in the bottom even with heat dry on, and also with Sani Rinse.
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Post# 32410-9/11/2003-01:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: What brand was the 3/4 hp motor in? I've never seen larger than 1/2 hp.
I suspect that 1/2 hp is going to be the majority, what do you think, everybody?
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Post# 32411-9/11/2003-01:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (twhwunck!)
MESSAGE: Actually, the later GE's made that noise when draining, too
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Post# 32412-9/11/2003-01:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: I suppose. Yeah it is loud when it drains (kind of a roar, especially with a semi-stretched belt and no insulation.) But do you know how much water it does use?
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Post# 32413-9/11/2003-01:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info, I notice light dimming when almost any one of our appliances starts. Espessially the dishwasher, washer and dryer. I can even notice a light dim when the dryer heater cycles on and off. I also notice the torque of the maytag BD motor when it starts. I have run it without the bottom panels and the motor is screwed into the side of the cabinet. When it starts drain, the motor really tilts to one side at first, I thought most motors would do that but less torque motors wouldn't do that, like you said.
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Post# 32414-9/11/2003-01:37 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: I believe I saw a 3/4 HP motor listed in the specs in a Montgomery Wards catalog some years ago. Probably a 20-pound Norge-based machine.
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Post# 32415-9/11/2003-01:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size
MESSAGE: Do you remember which washer had which motor? I know whirlpool/kenmore has always had smaller than average motors, is that correct?
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Post# 32416-9/11/2003-01:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent dispensers)
MESSAGE: So they had a design before the belt driven ones? Those models must be pretty rare then. Did most other dishwashers not have much of a filter, if any? I am learning more and more about vintage dishwashers:-)
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Post# 32417-9/11/2003-01:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (vintage)
MESSAGE: That's vintage to me, that's 10 years before I was born:-) We all think of different time periods as being vintage or yesterday, just different age groups on here.
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Post# 32418-9/11/2003-01:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (maximum current draw)
MESSAGE: Actually, amp draw on the plate is NOT the maximum current the machine will draw. motors draw MUCH more current on start-up than to keep running. The plate on my LadyK says 9 amps. I put an ammeter in the line and that's precisely what it draws at normal running speed. Tried it on the matching gas dryer, which says it draws 6 amps. It actually draws less, only goes up to 6 amps when the burner ignitor cycle starts. Surprisingly, it actually keeps the starting windings in for a longer time than the washer motor does (washer motor has a big capacitor on it to help in starting)
As for speed, washer normal speed is 3450, slow speed is 1725 rpm. Most electric motors run at 3450, and manufacturers gear them up or down according to the job the motor has to do.
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Post# 32419-9/11/2003-02:24 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: Whirl-More used 1/2 hp and I think GE and Westinghouse used 3/4 hp motors. I can't blame GE for using such powerful motors because, their inner basket is very heavy!
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Post# 32420-9/11/2003-04:31 ||| Iluvoldkitchens (Elizabeth, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay (Old Kittchens Rock)
MESSAGE: Hey Scott, sorry not to answer right away, I forgot my password. I like kitchens things from 30s, 40s and 50's mostly. My '55 Frigidaire Cyclamatic fridge is that cool sea green inside! I collect (and use on a daily basis) all kinds of kitchen gadgets, dinnerware, glassware, appliances, etc. I'll put my #7 Mixmaster up against any cheap junky plastic mixer made today! That's one thing I don't allow in my kitchen - cheap plastic junk. I hate it. I do have a vintage washer, it's a wringer type, but I haven't dragged it out yet to check it out. We recently inherited a house from a great aunt, and there's an old wringer washer under the basement stairs. Been too busy going through the house finding all the treasures, she was the kind of person who never threw anything out, but one of these days I'll pull it out and look at it. I wouldn't be surprised if it worked perfectly. Living through the Depression, she took good care of all her things.
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Post# 32421-9/11/2003-05:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember that Finish and Electrasol were both made at that time by Economics Laboratories. While both were good performers, their popularity suffered in the early to mid 1970's after Consumer Reports ran a story about how caustic they were really were; they focused on a toddler from Seattle that destroyed his esophagus (sp??) by eating Electrasol DW powder... dreadful story.
DW All was a good performer also, and reasonably priced but was a victim of the brand consolidation craze. Lever was pushing the Sunlight brand and All became their bargain brand - again no advertising, limited availabilty so it's demise became a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Post# 32422-9/11/2003-08:03 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (motor noise burnout ??)
MESSAGE: Not at all...much motor noise actually comes from the way the motor is installed under the machine. A properly sized motor for the job will last just fine. But most of the noise you hear is vibration, unless the motor is isolated by rubber seals, it's going to make noise. The design of the motor itself also plays a role. But it's fair to say that machine has been around this long, they must have done something right???? THe quality of the motor's components also plays a role.
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Post# 32423-9/11/2003-08:06 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: It sure was!! But it was pretty cool to open the door when it was finished heating and get that rush of steam come flying out. I was HOT. But they must have done something right because it did clean well.
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Post# 32424-9/11/2003-08:09 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire still uses a 3/4 horsepower motor in some of it's washers. They have for years. Other White Consolidated products do also.
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Post# 32425-9/11/2003-08:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: OK, I hate to be devis advocate here, but I wanna relate my experiences with these machines. Our neighbor had a KDS16 and she still does have it, looks brand new. She pre-rinses everything. Anyway when it was less than ayear old, I got to play with it because I was so thrilled and fascinated by it. I knew it's limitations. I loaded it up with stuff, properly , and out a 3 quart sauce pan that had boiled rice in it. Used Heavy Soil and the pan was still dirty at end of cycle. Same scenario in our Waste King and Kenmore roto rack yielded improved/clean results. In college a friend had 12 of us guys stay for a football game. They had a KDC16. I got to load it up and the mom was amazed I didn't rinse--I said, it's a KA. Breakfast was scrambled eggs, bacon, and biscuits. Loaded it up with the plates and some serving bowls as well as the mixing bowl. Had debris on the outside of glasses. In defense, we had a neighbor who had a KDI17 at the lake house. She never prerinsed and she said everything came spotless, even while putting her corning coffe maker in the bottom rack. She was amazed, horrified at first, when I learned she didn't know about the filter after all the years of use. I took it a part and it was filthy. Cleaned it. I just simply did NOT like being bound by loading limits of a single-level dishawsher. And my experience with KD18 models wasn't much better. I just could never recommend KA DWs just like I couldn't recommend any Frigidaire. Wasn't impressed with real heavy cleaning prowess like I was with WP, GE. To me KA DWs were simply just that a DISH washer.
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Post# 32426-9/11/2003-08:32 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: Exactly, Kurt!! And most dishwashers with a well designed pump do not need anywhere near that kind of torque. Horsepower is the actual power the motor has but torque is the measure of how quickly the motor can achieve that level of power, under some given load. A garbage disposal, washer or dryer or air conditioner need it because they have to start under immediate load.
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Post# 32427-9/11/2003-08:33 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: And the occasional heinous buzzing of the drain solenoid...usually only when company comes...guranteed to raise eyebrows.
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Post# 32428-9/11/2003-08:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thermador DW's
MESSAGE: Yes it did. Friend's had one. They said it worked pretty well. Steam loosened the soil. Then it went into the usual cycle of 4 minute pre wash, rinse, and main wash, and 3 one-minute rinses. The cycle sequence didn't change from 1966 or so until the end and the machine I'm familiar with was abought in 1981. (Believe me I kept track of a cycle once and itamazed me the sequence was still the same as our 1968 model. )
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Post# 32429-9/11/2003-08:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (top spray)
MESSAGE: wow, almost like the thinking behind the old "impeller" types?
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Post# 32430-9/11/2003-08:39 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (maximum current draw)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's true...start current is much higher. I was only talking about operating current. If a motor operated at its start current, it would burn out in no time at all. As a motor is required to work less hard, you'll notice its current drop. Washers and dryers are under pretty steady load, but dryers have it much easier, thus the smaller motors. I've found motor speed does vary depending on the type of clutch setup a manufacturer is using.
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Post# 32431-9/11/2003-08:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA KDS18 (ISE DW factory)
MESSAGE: Our church has one in the fellowship hall kitchen. We use it occassionally. And I get to run it most times. We somewhat pre-rinse everything but I still have to clean out the filter when done, which is fine. It does a heck of a job with 180 degree water.
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Post# 32432-9/11/2003-08:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (heat off)
MESSAGE: good point, actually I was told that the older GE dw's that had the "plastisol" interiors last longer, by shutting off the machine before the dry cycle kicks in. Probably applied to alot of machines whereas those heating elements would glow red and get very hot, whereas the new ones do not get as hot nor do they glow red.
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Post# 32433-9/11/2003-08:42 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: And as quickly as they run through a cycle, there's no real boredom either. On both my Superbas, the Prewash light goes out with one clang of the timer (simultaneous with the drain valve closing), briefly leaving NO lights on (and the motor running), until the Wash light illuminates with another clang of the timer (concurrent with the opening of the fill valve).
Oh it's endlessly amusing... :)
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Post# 32434-9/11/2003-08:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco-FORD dw and Kenmore
MESSAGE: Greg, the roto racks had the same spray feed avenue like that Phico-Ford DW--al D&M DWs did. The rotorack just had a long tube that fed from the plastic vertical tube under the top rack to force it to rotate with water presure.
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Post# 32435-9/11/2003-08:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (sani=long cycle)
MESSAGE: I remember the sani-cycle on my folks Philco-Ford which took forever, it would heat the water to 150 in the second wash and final rinse, But it increased cycle time well over an additional hour to an hour and a half
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Post# 32436-9/11/2003-08:43 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: I agree with you Bob. That has always been my experience with them also. Clean the basic stuff real well, but when it comes to rice pots and broiler pans, casseroles and the like, they just don't do the job. But they are real pretty to look at and listen to!!
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Post# 32437-9/11/2003-08:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (Yet to discover the ideal dishwasher(noise))
MESSAGE: And GE's used to make a similar noise with their drain solenoid.
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Post# 32438-9/11/2003-08:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: not sure, I could swear I saw 3/4hp on the newer Kitchen Aid washing machines when the Kitchen Aid name was first put on washers, but I am not sure ...........
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Post# 32439-9/11/2003-08:48 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: old motors that are supposedly "no longer available" can be "re-wound" correct ??
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Post# 32440-9/11/2003-08:49 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Greg, we used Finish also, less expensive than Cascade.
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Post# 32441-9/11/2003-08:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: mom used finish forever, but she would literally put barely 1/2 teaspoon in each detergent cup, she really skimped, but she always prerinsed and the cycle was so long that dishes were always clean. She used more detergent initially but learned it was ruining her glasses becoming etched. Reducing the amount of detergent solved her problem.
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Post# 32442-9/11/2003-08:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (motor noise burnout ??)
MESSAGE: great info, thanks Andrew :)
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Post# 32443-9/11/2003-08:52 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: Whose heart doesn't skip a beat at the stunning beauty of this dryer? I was surprised to see an electronic control dryer from frigidaire. I thought frigidaires were all either timer or auto-dry machines.
My last Maytg dryer was gas and had just the auto-dry type of control. After having been brainwashed that sensor dry was the best, I actually grew to love the auto-dry. Because it was gas, I could tell just when it would heat and when it would stop heating and the timer would advance. It was fascinating to me the relationship between fabric types time and temp. and just where to set the control to acheive the optimum results.
A window on the door would have made it even better.
For most people though, a sensor is easier to operate.
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Post# 32444-9/11/2003-08:53 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: Somewhere in the middle of the run of the KD-16 series, they came out with the Soak Cycle. It replaced the Heavy Soil cycle. The model numbers changed to reflect...like from KDS-16 to KDS-16S. Or something like that. Whatever "Full Cycle/Normal Wash" can't clean on my KDS-17A and KDS-18, the Soak Cycle can (which on the KDS-18 is like 140 min!--it was the first KitchenAid that used 3 rounds of detergent on Soak).
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Post# 32445-9/11/2003-08:56 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: mom hated cascade ............ she used finish and liquid Wisk in the laundry since I can remember ...........
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Post# 32446-9/11/2003-08:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (sani=long cycle)
MESSAGE: Greg, it just depended upon which brand had D&M program the sani-wash cycle to do that. LKs did it that way with the Power Wash cycle. The other rotoracks just did the heting on the final rinse. Gaffers & Sattler had phases where the cycle did both heatings and others where it only heated the final rinse. Magic Chef's Total Magic Wash also sequenced the same as your parents. As did Tappan DWs in the early 1980s. The Calorics didn't.
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Post# 32447-9/11/2003-08:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: steam?
MESSAGE: I think the steam concept would be great at loosening baked on foods, etc. then proceed to wash cycles ....... no one else in the DW market went that route ?? I wonder if the steam could also be damaging to certain items, I know mom would never put pots and pans in the DW because she said it ruins the handles, hers being wood or plastic I think ?? She still has her original set of "revere ware" with the copper bottoms. The newer stuff is so much "thinner" (sorry to drift off topic)
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Post# 32448-9/11/2003-09:03 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: steam?
MESSAGE: I've always put my reverewar in the DW, but the handles don't have that gloss anymore, but that's okay. I have clean pots. LOL
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Post# 32449-9/11/2003-10:03 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: I beleive the new Whirlpool tall tub d/w (GU1500) has a soak & scour feature that is about 4 HOURS long. It washes, then pauses to heat the water. It does this sequence several times. But 4 hours is a long time. I understand that the new kitchenaids and Kenmore elites have a 'pulsed' wash cycle as well. I think it was done to help get water better directed to the corners of the upper rack.
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Post# 32450-9/11/2003-10:08 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: When we got our 67 kenmore 600 top load d/w, we started using cascade, but it left a lingering odor inside the glasses. I seem to remember SOS came out with a d/w detergent but it always got hung up in the dispenser and never fully dissolved. I liked Finish ; it seemed to work well.
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Post# 32451-9/11/2003-11:04 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: I'd love to send pics, I don't know how to attach them
to a response in this group...if someone can tell me,
I have some
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Post# 32452-9/11/2003-11:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (clothes washer motor HP)
MESSAGE: yes, they actually used that for quite some time.
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Post# 32453-9/11/2003-11:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size
MESSAGE: Sears/Whirlpool had 1/2, Maytag had 1/3, Norge derivatives had 3/4, not sure about the others.
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Post# 32454-9/11/2003-11:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cool washing machine collectable on Ebay (Old Kittchens Rock)
MESSAGE: Your fridge sounds great, I like the small appliances too and have a collection. It must be fun and interesting going through all those treasures!
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Post# 32455-9/11/2003-11:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: No, this was one of the first years for this to be available from Frigidaire, 1965 or 1964. Steve 1/18 has a gas version of this in Aztec color. It's a terrific dryer. Loved playing with it. It's very accurate.
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Post# 32456-9/11/2003-11:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: The 4 hours on the GU1500 do not heat the water at all, last time I saw a cycle schematic. Leslie will correct me if I'm wrong, but yes, it does wash for a bit, soak, and then wash for a bit, and soak again. All without the heater energized. And yes, the KAs, Kenmore Elites, and the WP tall tubs all use that "pulse" spray technique at the end of the main wash cycle, provided you select the high temp option.
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Post# 32457-9/11/2003-12:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: I don't know... I look at this pic and think "Mommie, when is the hand in the dryer going to be done playing with my panties? It's drafty in here."
-ph
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Post# 32458-9/11/2003-13:23 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I recall the introduction of the KA Superba model with the "soak cycle". This was over 20 years ago. I had good results when using "full cycle". The water supply to my KA DW was just short of 160 F. Yes the one hydro sweep wash arm only did limit the capacity. I did not use the "soak cycle" that often mainly because of the lengthy operating time. The instructions for the "soak cycle" were to fill both compartments of the dispenser completely full. When both compartments were closed then to fill the indentaion in the dispenser above them with even more detergent. Total amount of detergent was about 12 T. I did not understand the thinking behind the design of the "soak cycle" and the long pause in not circulating the detergent solution. Granted the load was soaking so-to-speak. It seems to me that instead of the DW sitting idle during this soak mode that to continue to circulate the detergent solution would yield an overall increase in performance. Like the extended wash time the competitor DW pots-n-pans cycles used. I thought that KA would catch on and reprogram later models with "soak cycle" omitting that pause and replace it with continued wash action. As far as I know they didn't and that soak pause stayed the same. Go figure?
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Post# 32459-9/11/2003-13:44 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: The first soak cycle on the KD-16 and KD-17 machines was just an extra wash w/10 min pause. On the KD-18 (and subsequent machines) I believe the water heater is on while it pauses, though I have no idea how much hotter it heats...or if its just to keep the water hot while sitting around.
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Post# 32460-9/11/2003-14:04 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: Deeptub....I had one of those machines, circa 1988. It cleaned well, but not what I would call great. It had a problem with casserole dishes and deeper pots. Dishes it was fine with. Glasses came out ok, too. But my GE does a better job, and I used soft water with that machine, too. It was just an infinitely more interesting machine than anything else out there.
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Post# 32461-9/11/2003-14:06 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: steam?
MESSAGE: Well, it's not really the high temperature that ruins the handles, but rather the detergent and constant exposure to moisture. My pots are all stainless, so naturally there is no problem with them in the dw. But Revereware, Farberware and any other brand with phenolic handles would discolor or fade over time in the dishwasher.
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Post# 32462-9/11/2003-14:07 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (4 hour cycle time)
MESSAGE: Yes these machines do have the 4 hr. pots-n-pan cycle. I recently was looking at the new KitchenAids. They promote this cycle as being ideal for the holidays when there is an excess of heavily soiled cookware to wash. Recommending to run this cycle at night. Even in the vintage dishwashers I machine washed my cookware using the pots-n-pan cycle when needed. With proper loading, detergent and water 140+F I do not recall poor results. The 4 hr cycle seems a bit over the top to me. During the 60s a competition between DW manufactures heated up. They promoted all sorts of claims with regard to performance, ease of use, capacity etc. The beginning of the useless bells and whistles options. Cycles that would be rarely used and that yielded little if any difference in performance. The cycle consisting of 6 or 7 fills like that of the vintage dishwashers and the most frequently used. Are still the bench mark needed for 99% of automatic dishwashing we do. What next? A chandelier cycle?
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Post# 32463-9/11/2003-14:11 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: It's funny you mention that because on the non-Superba models, the machine ran while it was heating the water. I had one of those in a vacation home we had, and on the Soak and Scrub cycle, the machine would run during the intial wash while it was heating the water. It only had two washes, not three as the Superba did. But I think it did a better overall job on pots. It just wasn't as quiet as the Superba.
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Post# 32464-9/11/2003-14:16 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: Bob...what exactly is that pulse spray technique you spoke of? Is it the wash-pause-wash-pause thingy that the machine does?
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Post# 32465-9/11/2003-14:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Our KDI-17A had a 13-minute soak period. Don't know where that odd time comes from, LOL. Otherwise the Soak cycle was the same as the Normal cycle for wash/rinse sequence. There was a delay circuit that pulsed the timer motor on/off during two timer increments in the prewash (with the pump off). Rinse/hold (which was line purge and prewash) would pause the pump during those two increments but the timer motor ran at normal speed.
Prewash was normally a 2 min fill, three min wash, then drain.
Soak modified that to 2 min fill, one min wash, 13 min soak, drain.
IIRC.
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Post# 32466-9/11/2003-15:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I had the same hopes too. Compared to a PotScrubber cycle WP's SuperScour cycles, it was a joke. This carried over to when THe Energy Saver IV emerged with auto water heating. The non-circulating periods while it heated were opposite to what everyone else did. Even John Lefevre & Tom Turbomatic admitted performance would have been improved if KA had keep circulation going during those heating and long soak cycles. KA didn't change this until they "Whirlpool"ized their DWs with the KD24 & KD25 series. Then circulation continued during water heating. Even today, KA's with soil sensors have a soak period during main wash water temp heating for maintaining 120F temp. Circulation only continues if High-Temp option is selected. Kenmore & WP cousins always circulate. Those paused heating sessions was another reason why I couldn't stand KA.
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Post# 32467-9/11/2003-15:23 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: I think we all agree that dried on pancake batter is on the short list of soils that test the performance of a DW. Not just for a vintage DW. The new ones too. Maybe there are other members that recall this advertisement. I saw it no more than twice and that was at least 10 years ago. I thought it was a brilliantly successful concept at attracting the customers attention, very informative about the product, as well as, being over-the-top and hilarious! The ad was for Palmolive DW detergent. Claiming that it was gentle enough for the machine washing of fine crystal. Yet it would remove the worst of soils. That being dried on pancake batter. The ad went on to say. To prove this we have dipped this fine crystal chandelier in pancake batter and allowed it to dry overnight. The pancake batter laden chandelier then appears inside the DW. One washing with Palmolive is all that it will take to clean it. Surprise! All of a sudden the DW is opened and there hung the sparkling clean chandelier. Today's DW are designed with so many useless cycles and options. In no time a cycle for the washing of chandeliers is not too far off.
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Post# 32468-9/11/2003-15:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Soak cycle)
MESSAGE: Yes, I believe Leslie told me (or maybe reading what Tom Turbo said on THS) that it washed for 10 seconds, paused for 40, and washed for 10 seconds. That initial surge of water as it turned back on was the pulsating that helped get to the corners and such. Kind of a wimpy solution if you ask me.
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Post# 32469-9/11/2003-15:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: I knew someone would resurrect that commercial when the word Chandelier was mentioned. It was quite a common commercial during its run. And BTW, the DW featured was a KA.
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Post# 32470-9/11/2003-15:40 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: The pancake batter brings back the memory of me putting in a bowl (unrinsed) that had cornbread batter in it. To say the least the corn meal was on everything. My wife almost killed me. I cleaned out the DW with a dishcloth with liquid soap wiped it clean (I thought) then restarted the DW. After about 2 minutes we heard this whump whump wife opened the door and a wall of suds came out. I never rinse anything now but the bowls that contain conbread batter as she has never let me live it down and this was 1972.
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Post# 32471-9/11/2003-15:53 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 What was Soak all about?)
MESSAGE: After having purchased my Superba with the "soak" cycle I was surprised and disappointed by the long pause in wash action. The pause in wash action was not what I know to be soaking. It made no sense. I understand the concept of soaking something. The item is immersed in a liquid for and indefinite amout of time. I rarely used that cycle because of the amount of time it required. I saw little if any difference in performance between it and "full" cycle. I take it that you are all too familiar with having mentioned the KitchenAid Energy Saver IV model. I still have the operating manual. It lists "soak" cycle at 96 minutes. Both the "soak" and "heavy" wash cycles ran for 2 hours. When supplied with 120 F as instructed. I used those cycles but once. In fact if my memory serves me right I didn't even use "normal" wash cycle. It too took a long time. I used the 4 fill "speedy" "light" wash cycle and it took 75 minutes!
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Post# 32472-9/11/2003-16:02 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: That was me that made mention of: What next a chandelier cycle? Having done so brought back to mind that commercial. I'll take a chance and will probably get hell for doing so. I tried Palmolive detergent maybe for 2 loads before throwing the jug in the trash. Back to Cascade powdered formula.
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Post# 32473-9/11/2003-16:10 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I know that my KDS-18 and my parent's KDS-21, the heating element is a dual-wattage, and when it's at full power, it's either 1400W or 1600W (i can't remember which). Perhaps KA felt that's all the power they wanted the machine to draw at one time. The half wattage of 700 or 800 was used to maintain hot water temp while pumping. Both the KDS-18 and KDS-21 seem to have quite extended periods of pumping along with the heating periods. The KDS-21 pumps while filling, pauses to heat water, pumps for a good long while (I never timed it and the manual keeps it a secret)...then it pauses and heats again, then pumps for another good while, then drains. The remainder of the cycle is equivalent to Normal (Wash/Rinse/Main Wash/Rinse/Dry). The KDS-21 has cleaned up burnt on broiler pans pretty well. I will admit though, that the Soak Cycle on the early machines seemed kind of silly, with it's ten minute pause. I guess all the non-KA machines i've known were BOL filterless machines which performed poorly no matter what cycle one selected. So my frame of reference is narrow. (I refer to my sister's recent model BOL Whirlpool builder's special as having Hit-Or-Miss wash action with Sewer Grate filtration. It is a complete joke of a machine, and light enough that you could twirl it over your head with one hand.)
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Post# 32474-9/11/2003-16:12 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: Thanks, I'll see if they can help. So far no one
there has seen one of these either
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Post# 32475-9/11/2003-16:15 ||| chefrene (Allenspark, CO)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC Electrotable
MESSAGE: I have pictures posted in the yahoo web group WACEM
photo album if you want to take a look.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/WACEM
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Post# 32476-9/11/2003-16:16 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 What was Soak all about?)
MESSAGE: I have a manual for a KDS-19 Energy Saver IV. I've never met such a machine personally, but from the manual I can't imagine liking it. It makes no sense to me that in many of the cycles, the segment that has water heating is a PRERINSE or some portion that does not have detergent dispensed. CRAZY. The KDS-20 seems like a MUCH more sensible machine. Good that they quickly rethought things.
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Post# 32477-9/11/2003-16:45 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (Maytag top loading portable)
MESSAGE: It was the summer of 68. My Mom was shopping for a new DW. Of course I went along. This was my first encounter with Maytag. There was an avocado top loading portable. The lid was considerably thick in dimension, heavy and kept falling down as the sales lady was attempting to show the interior. Upon opening it revealed the wash arm beneath. No racks. The bottom rack was for glasses. The top rack was for dishes and silverware. The top rack was hinged in such a way that it was not to be removed from the DW for the purpose of loading the bottom rack. To gain access to the lower rack meant that the top rack was to be loaded last. Or completely unloaded each time access to the lower rack was needed. The top rack had to be empty in order to be forld over. It was very poorly designed and by no means user friendly. Mom a little short on patience interrupted the sales lady. Saying and pointing to the KitchenAid Superba built in as the one she would take. She didn't even open the door of it or take a close look at the all push button control panel. Out came her checkbook and we were gone. The entire transaction was over and done with in about ten minutes.
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Post# 32478-9/11/2003-16:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control
MESSAGE: The hand reminds me of the Axion commercial.
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Post# 32479-9/11/2003-16:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle
MESSAGE: I tried liquids ONCE. I went back to powders.
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Post# 32480-9/11/2003-16:55 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: 09/11/03 POD-Frigidaire Dryer w/electronic control (that made me laugh )
MESSAGE: LOLOLOLOLOL
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Post# 32481-9/11/2003-16:58 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: is in da house
MESSAGE: errm chat room I mean i will be in there a short while see you there
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Post# 32482-9/11/2003-17:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 KDS-19 Energy Saver IV)
MESSAGE: I still have the operating manual for the one I had. 3 out of a 7 fill cycle are heat from 120F to 150F. To maintain water temperature and promte good cleaning 2 other fills have the heat on. Then there are 2 fills not heated at all. The reason behind this I do not understand. It makes no sense. I was replacing a Lady Kenmore when I purchased this KDS-19. I did not research it before hand. Just chose the KA Superba brand out of habit. I quickly learned that this DW was to be supplied with 140+ water in order to successfuly operate it. Even then I almost always used "light" wash. Happy to part with the KDS-19. I replaced it with (1980) the top-of-the-line all push button Maytag with the unique loading configuration. Unfortunately it was a lemon from the first day. The KDS-19 and the Maytag mark a period of having two lousy dishwashers in a row. Soon I was back to a basic model Lady Kenmore that had no buttons just a dial. Now I was in control of the cycle sequence and operating time.
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Post# 32483-9/11/2003-17:35 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: Does anyone else remember these? In 1965 a neighbor was replacing their DW. I have yet to see another one like it. The brand was Tappan and had only one wash arm. The wash arm would rotate clockwise. Then the wash arm would rotate counter clockwise. This action occurring during the complete cycle. I recall that on the control panel next to an enormous lighted dial was printed. "Tappan Automatic Dishwasher with Rverse Action".
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Post# 32484-9/11/2003-19:06 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: I seem to remember seeing a 'Tappan Reverse-a-jet dishwasher about 10 years ago. I had heard of them but never saw one.
this was early in my appliance repair career and it reminded me of the first design of the maytag dishwasher. LOTS of plumbing and hoses beneath the tub.I found a top of the line Maytag wu900 on the side of the road and took it home to inspect. The motor/pump assy was in the back right of the d/w and was installed on it's side. Had to remove the d/w to gain access to it. Maytag made such a fuss about a front serviceable washer, but never said anything about their halo of heat dryers and dishwashers! lol
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Post# 32485-9/11/2003-19:08 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Question)
MESSAGE: What is the height, width, and depth of this wonderous machine?
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Post# 32486-9/11/2003-19:36 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: A lot were shown or given away on Let's Make A Deal. Some on the Newlywed Game too..
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Post# 32487-9/11/2003-19:48 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (Halo-of-Heat dryer servicing)
MESSAGE: Both my grandmothers had Halo-of-Heat dryers when I was a kid and i thought they were so cool. Of course, I was short enough to conveniently reach the lint screen. :) I was disappointed when we got a new Maytag and they had changed the design (Stream-of-Heat they called it at the time). Recently i helped a friend change the heating element in his DE606. Then did I realized how spectaculary overengineered they were, with the drum cantilevered off the rear support. There wasn't enough room in the utility room to get the cabinet off--we had to schlep it to the garage. They are lovely machines...but EVIL to repair.
Talking about HoH dryers, I just remembered the clothes sprinkler. I wonder how many people with HoH dryers want one to make their machine complete. My sister and I used Grandma Shea's as a backyard toy until we broke it...she had no use for it. :(
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Post# 32488-9/11/2003-20:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 a bit of a wet blanket)
MESSAGE: glasses and flatware are the toughest things for ANY dishwasher, it seems.
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Post# 32489-9/11/2003-20:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (torque)
MESSAGE: Actually, torque is the amount of twisting force, measured in foot-pounds, an engine or motor can exert. The advantage of an electric motor is that its greatest torque is at stall, whereas an engine like in a car MUST be turning to develop any torque at all. When you tromp on the gas, it's the torque that's actually shooting you off the line. We had a lot of those GM EV-1 electric cars here in L.A. and they'd blow off most any gas-engined cars at the Stop Light Grand Prix.
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Post# 32490-9/11/2003-20:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (maximum current draw)
MESSAGE: There was an exception in my case, the dryer motor died whereas the washer motor is original in my '78 LadyK set. It's almost the ONLY think that hasn't been replaced in the washer over the years. About the only thing original mechanical things left are the detergent solenoid (diverts water through the Triple Dispenser, and it's beginning to stick in the open position from time to time), the timer, the motor and power relays, the water pressure switch, and, of course, the motor.
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Post# 32491-9/11/2003-20:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (motor rewinding)
MESSAGE: If it's the kind of motor that can be assembled, yes. Basically, if it's held togetther by bolts and nuts and not welded or riveted, it can be rewound. I imagine most modern machines have "throwaway" motors.
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Post# 32492-9/11/2003-20:43 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (not a Maytag)
MESSAGE: Hello Coldspot66: My one and only encounter with the Maytag DW was a learning experince. I purchased one in 80. The top-of-the-line all push button model with the unique loading configuration where the glasses went into the bottom rack and dishes in the top. The capacity was terrific! When mine worked I was very pleased with it. Unfortunately from the first wash mine was a lemon and in need of repeated repairs. Only into just short of 3 years I gave up and replaced it. I did learn form the repairmen that I go to know all too well was this. To accommodate this method of loading meant a large wash chamber. The first introduction of these unique DW had the motor located beneath the bottom wash arm. To do so meant that the motor would be less than an inch from the floor. A very tight clearance. Should the machine need servicing and those early models did. The entire machine would have to be uninstalled and turned upside down to repair. That is when Maytag changed the design and moved the motor to the right fron location and the belt pulley method of powering the impellor was employed. It all mad sense. This would allow easier acces should service be needed. The unforseen result was the the belts stretched impeeding performance and like mine developed a sreeeching sound that required me to not only to keep a supply of extra belts on hand, as well as, continuously lubricate the pulleys. As luck would have it. I went through 2 mono block timer motors in less than a year. Seems Maytag's production of the 1980 machine had that problem common to it. Like I said. When it worked and did so quietly I found it to be a terrif machine. Maytag has this new model with 3 racks. I saw it recently. What were they thinking? As a result the space for loading glasses which we all have an abundance of is so very limited.
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Post# 32493-9/11/2003-20:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (Cascade)
MESSAGE: Why did your Mom not like Cascade? I remember it used to smell pretty awful in the old days.
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Post# 32494-9/11/2003-20:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Wow, I wasn't aware that KA is so disrespected among dishwasher-o-philes, LOL. KA is all I had from mid-1975 until mid-2003 and I was always satisfied with the performance . . . but I had no way to know any better since there was nothing available for comparison. ;-)
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Post# 32495-9/11/2003-20:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Long cycle times)
MESSAGE: I would think that long cycle times wouldn't really matter in a dishwasher, since it's not like a clothes washer where you have multiple loads to go through. Most people only do 1 load a day. I'd rather have a long cycle and clean dishes.
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Post# 32496-9/11/2003-20:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I'm a little surprised myself Glenn. I loved mine, whatever model that 1996 model was, and my mom her 1986 model. Never heard anything but good about the older ones either, though that could be due to proper loading, probably a goodly amount of prerinsing going on, and I don't know if these folks were attempting to wash cookware, and all those things would of course make a difference. Yours seemed to do a pretty bang-up job on just about anything you put into it.
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Post# 32497-9/11/2003-21:27 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 the beloved vintage KA)
MESSAGE: Don't get me wrong? I grew up with KitchenAids. The first I recall was the model with the cast iron wash arm. I have absolutely no disrespect for those beloved old KAs. Mine were supplied with just short of 160 F water and the results were always good. However, even after the introduction of the single hydro sweep wash arm meant that to wash a pot or a bowl could take the precious space of 6 glasses. As a result I ran many bottom rack only loads of just cookware etc. Using the short wash cycle and got good results. Long live the vintage Kitchen Superba!
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Post# 32498-9/11/2003-21:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: So torque is the turning force right? Like when you set torque of bolts on the head of an engine, that is how many pounds is on the turning force to set them in. So then you said horsepower is the speed that the motor/engine can achieve it's operating load. So a diesel engine in a semi has low horsepower but extremely high torque (takes a while to get going but can handle extremely heavy loads, like a washer or dryer motor.) I think I got it, thanks:-)
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Post# 32499-9/11/2003-21:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: Those halos are beasts to get into. Anything at the front needs the whole cabinet to come off (and it doesn't roll of like a direct drive cabinet.) Any belt, blower or motor service? Well you have to pull that tank our and get behind it. At least though, the dryers were so solid they didn't need many repairs.
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Post# 32500-9/11/2003-21:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (Halo-of-Heat dryer servicing)
MESSAGE: The halos were definitely much more unique and fun than the dependable care design. But like you said, it took LOTS of time to repair. The ONLY thing I disliked about the halos was the drum size. I totally don't mind the rear lint filter (more unique and more fun.) But the drum was just tiny and was susceptable to twisting up the clothes (especially sheets and towels.) We wash towels at work and the towels almost always come out of the halo twisted, but dry. The drum size is a small problem with an overall great machine.
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Post# 32501-9/11/2003-21:41 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 What was Soak all about?)
MESSAGE: Did ya ever wonder what kind of assholes sit around and decide just how they are going to manipulate a machine's cycle for a particular model year run?? Imagine, a bunch of guys who can't even load a dishwasher, let alone turn it on in their own homes deciding what kind of programming is going to clean what kind of soil? I mean, how much testing do they do on these machines before they let them out the door? The Energy Saver IV was a prime example!! In the days before enzyme detergents, dishwasher cycles generally ran shorter rather then longer...so what do they do? Roll out a two hour cycle in the name of energy savings!! Yeah...good going guys!!!
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Post# 32502-9/11/2003-21:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Dishwasher history correction)
MESSAGE: Correction: I did have a low-end WCI-Frigidaire for a few months, that didn't even have a filtering system and left ground beef all over the load.
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Post# 32503-9/11/2003-21:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: motor size (motor rewinding)
MESSAGE: Ya that is what is unfortunate about newer motors. I just helped someone with their crappy GE washer. He saw the break in the winding near the motor switch, he could have repaired it had the motor been servicable. I will post more about current washer motors on the sandbox.
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Post# 32504-9/11/2003-21:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King Universal dishwashers (KA SS? Huge Fan)
MESSAGE: My fascination for the vintage KA Superba is like that of yours. I recall when the KitchenAid was a sign of class. Something did happen when they went to 2 wash arms. Never to be the same. Even though those early behemoths were tricky to load and guzzled the hot water. So what?
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Post# 32505-9/11/2003-21:49 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (torque)
MESSAGE: Good...that's a better explanation then mine. Never can find the right words to explain torque....twisting force is perfect!!
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Post# 32506-9/11/2003-21:57 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Thank you Andrew for your post. To possess a KitchenAid during that time had a certain status to it. I too wonder who it was that made these decisions at KitchenAid. When I was in sixth grade my Mom told me something I have yet to forget. Get used to Chris there are a lot of assholes out there. Mom was right!
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Post# 32507-9/11/2003-21:58 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: The best explanation is that torque is the twisting force...like you described, torquing the bolt on an engine. The more torque, the more twisting force a motor has. So a garbage disposal would have a very high torque motor...for obvious reasons.
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Post# 32508-9/11/2003-22:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: Remember the commercial where a woman bakes a cake, complete with frosting, puts it in a dishwasher, then opens the dishwasher later and there's no trace of the cake? I forget if the ad was for a dishwasher or a detergent.
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Post# 32509-9/11/2003-22:07 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Well, just look at what happened when KA dropped the Hobart design and switched to the Whirlpool design in the mid 90's!! All of a sudden a machine with a beautiful history (and a damned beautiful design) came crashing to an end. What asshole decided to take that beautiful design and just trash it and put a mega pricetag on a stainless steel Whirlpool dishwasher where you couldn't even fit an average sized glass on the top rack? Not that the mid nineties Whirlpool was a bad machine...it wasn't. But it wasn't a KitchenAid. What a cheap ass piece of crap they turned it into!! Now that totally broke my heart when I saw that first of the "new" KitchenAids. You're right my friend, and your mom was right...as was mine....the world is full of assholes.
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Post# 32510-9/11/2003-22:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A few dishwasher pic's (KitchenAid 1/2 HP Motors)
MESSAGE: I see, got it now for sure:-)
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Post# 32511-9/11/2003-22:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: I remember that commercial and am quite sure it was for a detergent (cascade maybe?) I even remember the details of the commercial, the cake is pink and it falls over when she puts it in. Then she pulls out the clean plate and rubs her finger on it, it makes that unforgettable clean squeak.
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Post# 32512-9/11/2003-22:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: steam? (Pots and Pans cycles)
MESSAGE: I often put pots and pans in my dishwasher KNOWING that they won't come completly clean, but it at least the dishwasher gets most of the "gook" off, (especially greasy stuff, which I hate)so all they need is a touchup. I make sure to use the "Heat Off" option so what doesn't come off doesn't get baked on.
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Post# 32513-9/11/2003-22:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cornbread batter)
MESSAGE: I suspect that if you use a longer cycle, or one with more rinses i.e., Pots and Pans, even the cornbread batter would disappear. I'm surprised that at the time, you simply didn't just run the DW again rather than try and clean it out manually.
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Post# 32514-9/11/2003-22:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Hit-Or-Miss wash action with Sewer Grate filtration)
MESSAGE: Now THAT's funny! I was ROTFL after reading that.
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Post# 32515-9/11/2003-22:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Basic LadyK DW)
MESSAGE: How can a Lady Kenmore be a "basic" machine?
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Post# 32516-9/11/2003-22:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm (Tappan "
Reverse Action"
)
MESSAGE: Yes, my best friend had one installed in his apartment, I think it was original to the building's construction. I cannabalized parts from others that were replaced in order to repair his. Eventually, management replaced it with a GE without being asked, even though it still worked.
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Post# 32517-9/11/2003-22:33 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cornbread batter)
MESSAGE: I really must have the best fed dishwasher this side of the Mississippi....it loves cornbread batter...eats it right up...yum yum. Even my old KA and the Waste King did a great job on that kind of soil...and that's a gritty kind of soil too.
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Post# 32518-9/11/2003-23:01 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: 1997 was a dreadful year in that respect.
I remember the literature at the time said the 24-series reporting all the consumer testing they did, and how those machines represented what the customers wanted. "From the choices we gave them" is the part they left out.
Gone was the 1/2 hp motor, the Flo-Thru drying, the 16 position upper rack, the sturdy latch, the ChinaGuard cage that kept you from blocking the washarm, the open door sturdy enough to stand on (unlike a certain Kenmore I know who's hinges are starting to bend back on themselves...no, nobody has stood on it). But if one looks closely, one can see that sinister things were already afoot on the 23 series (the last of the Hobart platform)...this model had the WP/KM pump/filter mechanism, modified to accomodate the Hydro-Sweep. These models performed very well--no knock against the WP/KM pump/filter...but the writing was on the wall.
It's terrible, but after 30+ years of adjustable upper racks (on higher models, anyway) there were TWO series of KA dishwashers...24 and 25, that DID NOT have adjustable upper racks.
KitchenAid dishwashers did blossom for awhile under WP. The 21 series got WhisperQuiet under WP. I think the last great KAs (and probably future classic as they are 10+ years old now) are the 22 series...all mostly Hobart design, but under WP had evolved to have nylon coated racks, the extra wide silverware basket, and the upper rack adjusters moved to the far front of the rack so it didn't have to be pulled completely out to raise/lower.
And then they threw it all away...bastards.
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Post# 32519-9/11/2003-23:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder-what series is this?)
MESSAGE: Deeptub or anyone, do you know what series this is? I bought this in 1996. It was the last of just a few in the store, and the last of what I have considered an original KA. Taking its place was the first series that had stainless steel interiors, that funky curved control panel but not a tall tub I don't think. How KA/non-KA are those?
LINK: http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL53/814581/1450122/33625491.jpg
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Post# 32520-9/11/2003-23:09 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Hmmmm. My Superba is a 22. I guess I gotta find some place to store it for the next 30 years.
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Post# 32521-9/12/2003-00:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: In rereading your post and picking up more detail, I guess mine must be a 23 series (see pic in other post). I did not realize it had a modified pump filter at the time, but thinking back now, the hydro-sweep was kind of "stuck" to this big black thing and the whole thing rotated in one piece, rather than that stainless filter you could pull out underneath the separate hydrosweep, of old. It did have the traditional KA racks, signature porcelain tub, latch and drying system. Excellent, very quiet machine.
I paid $730 for it back then, but I don't think I would buy in that price range today. You can get a very nice Sears for $319, or I'd jump to the F&P. I don't need to bending over no tall tub, I'm getting too old for this foolishness, LOL.
Ok, sorry all I won't say any more approaching modern now unless I move to the sandbox, this was just kind of in sync with the KA conversation we've been having.
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Post# 32522-9/12/2003-00:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: I guess that's another thing I like about the vintage KAs, the tub is higher up off the ground than even many of the other non-talltub machines.
I agree with what someone said too that the enclosed upper spray arm was a wonderful thing. Why that went away and why it was never copied by anyone else, I've no idea.
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Post# 32523-9/12/2003-00:12 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder-what series is this?)
MESSAGE: That is a 23 series, and TOL, the last of the desirable models, as far as I'm concerned. Model # is KUDS23? A bit of trivia, Julia Child had that exact same dishwasher (in black) at the time she donated her kitchen to the Smithsonian. It can be seen at the link below. (Their server is down right now, so I cannot ascertain the exact link, but if you click on "What's New?" it will take you to it.) It can also be seen in a couple of her shows that were taped in her kitchen...it replaces a no doubt well-worn KDC-17 which can also be seen in some of her shows.
The subsequent series--24 and the similar 25, had much in common with WP, including the basic chassis and the pump/filter. The KA models, of course, had SS interiors and a drying vent that had a shutter which closed while washing for quietness. At the time, the KA models had direct feed to the upper wash arm, while WP models still had the center tower. But of course, eventually the TOL WP got many of the KA features, to the point where the current tall-tub models are about identical with the exception of the tub material.
Grr.
LINK: http://www.americanhistory.si.edu
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Post# 32524-9/12/2003-01:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (Cascade)
MESSAGE: I loved the smell of Cascade from the late 50s and early 60s. Partly because we didn't use it and partly because I loved the odor as it woffted out of the 1952 Hotpoint impeller dishwasher with the vent holes at the top of the door.
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Post# 32525-9/12/2003-01:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Glenn, remember when you showed me pix of your parents new GE Tall Tub, I commented that I can always tlel a former KA owner by the way they load other dishasshers.
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Post# 32526-9/12/2003-01:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: My motto is, if it can't be washed in the dishwasher, I don't use it. And my mom was the same way.
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Post# 32527-9/12/2003-01:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 the beloved vintage KA)
MESSAGE: My mother would have killed me if I ran the DW with just one rack full. Even on short wash. It was bad enough when we battled over laundry sorting that resulted in small loads or smaller loads.
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Post# 32528-9/12/2003-01:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: I believe it was a Kenmore UltraWash dishwasher, their first or 2nd generation of that. I saw it on David Horowitz show.
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Post# 32529-9/12/2003-01:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Well John Lefever, and I believe HQOTS, have said that the KD23 series were the best performing KAs simply because they incorporated Whirlpool's legendary PowerClean module in the wash mechanism.
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Post# 32530-9/12/2003-01:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: So it was for a dishwasher? Hmm I always thought it was for detergent and thinking "How could different detergents get rid of that cake, the dishwasher would have to be good, not the detergent, detergent gets rid of hard, tough-to-remove soils. The hot water and spraying action gets rid of soft, spray off soils." I hope I see it again, but I probably won't unless it is on one of our tapes somewhere.
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Post# 32531-9/12/2003-06:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD Norge gas
MESSAGE: Wife: Oh my God, honey, what's that awful smell.
Husband: Look what gas is doing now. By the way, those beans were delicious.
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Post# 32532-9/12/2003-07:50 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder-what series is this?)
MESSAGE: That is the Hobart design Superba...the Architect Series is what I believed they called it. I'm sure it incorporates many Whirlpool elements into that design, and that's not a bad thing, but it's still at least based on the original Hobart design.
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Post# 32533-9/12/2003-07:54 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: I agree 1000%!!!!
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Post# 32534-9/12/2003-07:58 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: If they wanted to really test the dishwasher, drop the cake in with a full load of dishes and see how she performs!! A good dishwasher with a soil separator will handle it. My old Superba, though gifted at soil separation, would actually clog up under heavy soil loads and reduce the spray action. You could actually hear the machine slow down. I guess that's why many KitchenAid owners pre-rinse? It had the worst time with the parts to my JennAir grill after a big BBQ. It would wash them ok, but under heavy soil conditions, it would crap out.
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Post# 32535-9/12/2003-09:06 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Norge gas
MESSAGE: It also keeps the bubbles fresh in the tub!
-ph
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Post# 32536-9/12/2003-09:54 ||| Brian (Victoria, BC)
SUBJECT: Old Booklets
MESSAGE: I am clearing out the garage and have found several pamphlets that came with older (1955) washers and refrigerators. While surfing the web found this interesting site and wondered if there is a "real" museum or only a "cyberspace" museum. What I found are "Getting to know your new Frigidaire Automatic Washer (1954) Imperial Model", "How to use and enjoy your Cyclamatic Frigidaire (1953)", and "A.M.C. Electric Refrigerator". I hate to garbage if they would be of interest to some enthusiasts.
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Post# 32537-9/12/2003-09:58 ||| Bengrim (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Stratoliner? (Stratoliner range)
MESSAGE: Sure thing. Here's the identification information I have so far (will post pictures once I get them uploaded).
From the appliance plate I got the following:
Catalog #: D21-G1
Serial: 7640712
11.8 KW
Made in Bridgeport, Conn
Patents:
2168172, 2172181, 2313582
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Post# 32538-9/12/2003-10:47 ||| dbgstaples (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: POD Brings up a memory
MESSAGE: Does anyone know if it may have been the Norge Timeline dryer that had a lever at the top of the drum opening that stopped the rotating of the drum? I know it was one of my parents machines that had this feature and the Picture of the Day brought back that memory but I'm not sure it was the Norge or GE or ? that had it.
Thanks!
David
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Post# 32539-9/12/2003-11:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Glenn when did this happen? What happened to "old faithful?"
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Post# 32540-9/12/2003-11:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 (soak cycle?))
MESSAGE: Everything goes in with me too except nonstick cookware (though I guess some made now works fine) and some of the older style Tupperware lids, and of course my percolator (the insides go in when I run the machine).
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Post# 32541-9/12/2003-11:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: This is very interesting for me to learn. I really had no idea when I had the machine. I've loved the Sears machines I've had so my satisfaction from that perspective comes as no surprise.
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Post# 32542-9/12/2003-11:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Brings up a memory
MESSAGE: Norge had the Stop'n'Dry no tumble feature.
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Post# 32543-9/12/2003-11:19 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Did ya ever wonder)
MESSAGE: Yes, I'm not "toying" with the idea of when I have to replace "old faithful" GSD1200, it may be the soil-sensor Kenmore with the Power-Clean system ($349) at Sears or a SS TT from GE with the tiltable upper rack like the OLD Superbas. That top rack feature alone got my attention--reminded me so much of the Superbas.
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Post# 32544-9/12/2003-11:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Brings up a memory
MESSAGE: That would have been the Norge. In later years, the control for this was on the control panel instead of beneath the door opening.
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Post# 32545-9/12/2003-12:17 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: DW with reverse rotation wash arm
MESSAGE: I very much remember the Tappan Reversajet. My parents' best friends had one in the 70's and 80's. Avocado with one large knob on the front and a black pushbutton to open the door. I don't remember the rack configuration but I do remember it had a large black lower wash arm that was much wider in the middle than at the ends. The machine would pause during the cycle and presumably reverse (without draining).
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Post# 32546-9/12/2003-12:22 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Finish was popular in our house, as was Calgonite in the yellow box. Remember when Finish and Electrosol would list the manufacturers who approved of their product on the side of the box? Wow, how many are still making dishwashers today?
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Post# 32547-9/12/2003-12:31 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage DW and Liquid Detergent (detergent brand no longer)
MESSAGE: Ah yes, I remember it well!!!!!
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Post# 32548-9/12/2003-13:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: I am relatively new to this group and so enjoy being a fellow comrade. I am utterly amazed. This group is comprised of people that possess a profound attention to detail, infinite knowledge and overall expertise that makes it a unique resource within itself. For me the continuous sharing of infromation among one another's postings is a perpetual learning experience. I so take pleasure in the humor that occurs too. I could not help to think that the manufactures would do well to call upon the member of Applianceville before going into the production of their major appliances. Perhaps, we should combine our knowledge and finances to produce the Applianceville brand. Just think of it? Who knows? Stranger things have happened.
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Post# 32549-9/12/2003-14:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: It really is a wonderful idea. But I'm afraid we would be to demanding, I bet we want far more from an appliance than the everage consumer. Appliances would end up costing way more than they do now I guess. As for me, I'm glad that I have a few Miele appliances. Next best thing LOL.
Louis
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Post# 32550-9/12/2003-14:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KDI-17A replacement)
MESSAGE: Scott, I don't recall exactly when the ol' KDI-17A was replaced, but it was sometime this year. There was nothing specifically wrong the KA far as I'm aware, other than age. Dad ran across a close-out deal or sale or some such on a GE tall-tub at Lowe's. I had posted here about the availability of the KDI-17, but there were no takers, so it got krushed. :-(
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Post# 32551-9/12/2003-15:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (KDI-17A replacement)
MESSAGE: Oic. I was mainly curious and I'm sure I read it when it was mentioned, just caught me out of the blue just now, LOL.
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Post# 32552-9/12/2003-15:22 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Deeptub I so agree with yours and Andrewinorlando's post with regard to the demise of our dearly loved KitchenAids. Those assholes and bastards! I find humorous comfort in our shared enthusiasm for KitchenAid. Mentioning all those unique features only available on the Superba. Has me missing them so. Initially I was not pleased with my Superba KD-19 Energy Saver IV. My feelings changed quickly. As a result of increasing the inlet water temperature to 140+F. Then the performance was identical to my previous Superbas. This is my opinion. You and Andrew might agree? To date I have yet to discover a dishwasher that has a bottom rack loading (plates fron to back) configuration I like better than KitchenAids. The best being the rack of the single wash arm models. That design made such sense. Second only to that upon the introduction of the upper wash arm next generation rack design. Where plates loaded front to back on the left hand side of the rack, as well as, providing even more space on the right hand side to do so. Miele's bottom rack is the only one I know of to offer a rack that is similar. Knowing in advance that it probably wouldn't fit. I have often thought of tring to fit an old KA bottom rack in to my new DW. I will say this. I have always detested the bottom rack of GE DW. Between the placement of the silverware basket, elevated section for small dishes only dividing the rack in half and that damn worthless elevating spray tube. It was if they intentionally designed it with a limiting configuration for plates only. Absolutely maddening. I was forever amazed by how long that design stayed the same. Just recently their elevating spray tube has been compressed a little and the bottom rack still sucks. My previous employment had me frequently relocating and/or living in corporate apts. GE DW with that damn rack confronted at each place I went. Circumstance were such that it was not feasible to replace those damn GE DW ! I don't care what anybody says. GE DW are not user friendly when trying to load their bottom rack.
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Post# 32553-9/12/2003-15:24 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: If that were to happen, we would have the Mercedes Benz of appliances. Dishwashers would cost upwards of $2,000 and could accomodate any dish, pot or pan one could throw at it. Washers and dryers would produce 25 pound loads of clean, fresh, wrinkle free laundry. Of course, one would need to take a home equity loan to afford to buy the whole line, but they would last for 30+ years and still be in style. They would be quiet, but not so much so as to take the fun out of watching (and listening) to them do their thing. Perhaps we could call them Speed Queen? Oh no, that's been done already......
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Post# 32554-9/12/2003-15:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Partycycle, current higher end and TT GE DW have completely open flat bottom racks that are very loading friendly. Holds more than current KA/Kenmroe/WP cousins.
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Post# 32555-9/12/2003-15:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: We'd be out of business because of no replacement business for 30 years.
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Post# 32556-9/12/2003-15:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: We both live by the same dishwasher motto. A proponent that there is to be a dishwasher for every four people in a household was my late Mom's credo. She machine washed everything (flower pots, candle sticks, ashtrays, globes/crystal from light fixtures, drip pans, tea kettles, stove contol knobs in small parts basket, ice cube trays, kotukus and more. Her motto was. "If it didn't come clean. Leave it in there until it does". The apple didn't fall far from the tree. I cannot remember the last time I hand washed something. In fact I don't even have the liquid detergent used to do so.
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Post# 32557-9/12/2003-16:02 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: It would be great if people like us were in charge of designing home appliances, but what really drives this industry seems to be PRICE.Most consumers want just cheap appliances, rather than lovely appliances. If people understood the concept of "you get what you pay for" the $549 washer/dryer pair would go the way of the doo-doo bird.
I do know that our combined effort would produce some of the most fabulous appliances ever, but most of the cracker general public would still buy some soulless cheap white box at the Home Despot.
I envision a world where all the washer lids are clear....
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Post# 32558-9/12/2003-16:11 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info about the bottom racks on certain GE DW. Any dishwasher is better than not having one at all. Even if it is a damn GE. Don't get me wrong? One of my hearts desires is to acquire an early 50s GE Mobile Maid with the propeller wash action. Oh, please Great Dishwasher God hear my prayers? I now have the top-of-the-line Frigidaire Gallery TT. The bottom rack is so close to the floor it is breaking my back to load. It has the auto soil sensor feature. Yesterday I tricked it. I ran it completely empty and it defaulted to the longest wash program ! Go figure? Silly cycles/options like that of plate warm, china/crystal, and top rack only 1/2 load. My annoyance about that is best to be seen as a problem of "luxury".
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Post# 32559-9/12/2003-16:18 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: You are right. The general consumer wouldn't get it. Thank goodnes. Thank God. That this website exists for people like us. All washer to have clear lids is a fantastic idea. So much for the windowless front loading Maytag clothes washers. What were they thinking?
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Post# 32560-9/12/2003-16:37 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap(and no window to boot))
MESSAGE: Ugh! Don't get me started! Til I move, am staying with my friend who has said windowless washer. It is sooo boring. All you can do is listen to what is happening inside. From what I gleaned from Maytags commercial website, it is windowless so consumers wouldn't get concerned about the lack of water in the tub. Or something like that. Not nearly as fun as any of the old westy front loaders of the past although the final spin is classic washer drama.
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Post# 32561-9/12/2003-16:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Well I do have the liquid detergent to handwash stuff, but it's a bottle of Dawn I got at Sam's club and I cannot even remember when I got it--maybe 10 years ago and I'm not joking about this.
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Post# 32562-9/12/2003-16:52 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: You know, you brought up a point with your Gallery TT--being so close to the floor. I've thought about tht and wonder whether as I continue to age whether my back will be able to deal with that--particularly with my other physical challenges. So that's one reason why I mentioned considering the Kenmore that's a WP Power-Clean.
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Post# 32563-9/12/2003-17:53 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: only for those who have not seen it
MESSAGE: This is only for the benefit for those people who have not yet seen it, here is my link to my hotpoint site and I know the vast majority of regulars have seen my site.
So for the benefit of others here you go, I am in the chat room now its 11.52 pm uk time please feel free to join me there now
LINK: http://www.kevinkunsworth.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hotpoint/index.html
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Post# 32564-9/12/2003-17:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle)
MESSAGE: I see, that cake just seems to be so huge for any dishwasher to handle. Half the stuff it was draining would have been cake.
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Post# 32565-9/12/2003-18:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: I agree, I like this group too. That is why i came back. I like the discussions going on. Even though I do not participate in some (kitchen aid one for example) doesn't mean I don't read and enjoy them. I simply lack any knowledge about kitchen aids to really say anything about them.
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Post# 32566-9/12/2003-18:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Agreed. My grandparents have a GE dishwasher (potscrubber from the 70s.) the bottom rack sucks. That is yet another reason why I love our maytag. The front of the top rack is easy, all the big plates go on either side of the silverware basket at the front. But the rear of it has too many tines and they are too close for many bowls or any other deep dish. But the bottom rack is a BREEZE to load. Pots can sit up front on either side or the middle, and countless glasses can be set on each side of the "tower path" in the middle of the rack. I like the fact that the lower rack has only a few tines at the front (for the pots to sit on at an angle to get best cleaning.) the glasses are so easy to load, a simple "drop" and they are in. Plus the MANY tiny holes (jet clean system) gets those glasses sparkling. The only time the glasses hand sandy stuff in them was when the wash arms, filter and back flush arm were clogged (actually STOPPED up). With a clean pump and wash arms, I have never seen a dirty glass come out of that maytag.
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Post# 32567-9/12/2003-18:07 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Westy Front Loader)
MESSAGE: Granted my "sacred cow" is the vintage dishwasher. Second only to the two Westinghouse front loading washer with the dryer on top. The first team I purchased in 79/80 for around $1,375. I knew that they were very prone to need repeated repairs. That did not stop me.
First the dryer quit. Two motors and several repeat service calls. Determined that the door switch had failed and was the cause of the motor to short out. I prided myself on the common sense and manner in which I operated the washer. Ever so cautious to not overload or too much detergent. Say do you recall how difficult the control dial could be to rotate? Almost took both hands and could require several attempts to get it at the right position.
Then just a little over a years of having been pressed into service the belt on the washer came off and the motor kept running. I was not near the washer at the time this occurred. Had I been I think I could have saved that motor. The smell of the belt burning is what got my attention. The warranty no longer applied. Disasembling the top mounted dryer to service the washer added considerable time and expense to each service call. Now that the meter was running and the system apart. I opted to just purchase a new washer and then pay to have it all reconnected.
I was so pleased with this wash system. Just two years later a friend that was staying in my home while I was away killed the washer. I knew him to be challenged when it came to operating any appliance. I specifically asked him not to operate the washer/dryer. Gave him directions to the near by laundry room too. My words fell on deaf ears. It required several service calls. To determine all that was wrong. All the while the dryer is now sitting in my living room. He had so overloaded the washer that it not only broke the belt. Again becoming wrapped around the motor. The washer had gotton so out of balance that it actually broke one of the spring that the wash drum is suspended by. The repairman said that he had never seen that before.
I was soon to be moving and decided against replacing the washer. When I purchased my first Westy my parents were remodeling their home. Upon my recommendation they purchased the same Westy system I had. My Mom never let me foret about what a mistake her washer was. Mom too was challenged when it came to doing laundry. Regardless of my guiding her through the operating the washer. Within a year she had killed it.
Damn. I sooo miss my Westys and the door window. Even though they were problematic.
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Post# 32568-9/12/2003-18:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first.
MESSAGE: Maybe speed king? Or steel king or queen? Since the dishwasher interior would obviously be stainless steel:-)
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Post# 32569-9/12/2003-18:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: Typical maytag with their hidden rear lid switch on the dependables and the tiny pinpoint sized door switch on the halos, and then the solid front loading doors. But ahhh, I have tricked the dishwasher door switch. But what fun is that when hot, dirty water comes spraying out lol. No I have only tricked it to watch it fill and drain (and BTW, when it drains, some water does come out of the wash arms at reduced pressure, so I got a tad wet:-)
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Post# 32570-9/12/2003-18:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: I had a BOL Westinghouse dw in an apt once that all you had to do is have the door latch in the locked position and even if the door was open it would still work. That machine was a noisy affair and used a ton of water, cleaned surprisingly well. Oddly, the pump and motor also ran through the entire drying cycle.
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Post# 32571-9/12/2003-18:32 ||| RE563 (Ft. Lauderdale)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: I also have a Frigidaire TT. Biggest mistake I've ever made in selecting a DW. I have had Maytag (both loading configurations), GE (the bottom rack from hell) and Kenmore (WP powerclean type) The Frigidaire is the worst. All the jets in the bottom spray arm seem to be out at the ends and you have to be very careful on how much detergent you put in the despenser or it doesn't clean well at all. I do miss the Maytag with plates and silverware being loaded in the top rack with glasses on the bottom. There wasn't anything that I could dish out that Maytag couldn't handle. Never had a problem with getting anything to fit or come clean. My dream would be to come across a KitchenAid TL from the '70s. I was just a young little tot then but was so taken by that machine and have always wanted on. Think it's a shame that those Machines aren't made anymore not to Mention how KitchenAid just isn't what it use to be
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Post# 32572-9/12/2003-18:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Soulless and Cheap)
MESSAGE: Weird that the pump ran through the drying cycle. With the maytag, I stick my finger where the lock is and hit a little metal tab, then I push the latch over and can let go of the tab and run the machine.
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Post# 32573-9/12/2003-18:49 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Maytage Top Rack)
MESSAGE: I am not alone with my detest for that GE lower rack. They maintained that configuration for nearly forty years. Only now to make slight changes in that worthless center tower and it still sucks. I did not see the point of their 7 fill normal cycle either. The 3 fills prior to the main wash circulated for only a couple minute each. Choosing to add detergent for the pre-wash was a waste. It was over and down the drain in 2 minutes. Yet GE offers a least a dozen different DW models. Pretty much all a like. Only the addition of silly features to separate them.
The capacity of those early and now vintage Maytag DW surpassed and still does the competitors. Able to accomodate so much was such a convenience. As for the top rack. I recall that the back portion, even though the tines were close, allowed dishes to be loaded fron to back. I thought that by designing the whole rack to be that way (silverware basket to be like that of a KA design/placement) would make the capacity even greater. There is just something about front to back loading of plates. With silverware basket not as a box placed to divide the rack but across the front of the bottom rack. To me that configuration provides not only more capacity, as well as, to easily accommodate cookware too.
It certainly sounds like you have the loading of your now very unique Maytage down to a science!
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Post# 32574-9/12/2003-19:25 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Maytag Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: My Maytag DW (top rack) did everything well. One particular area where it excelled was with cutlery. The spray from both top and bottom seemed to get everything, even nested spoons clean - especially with the handles loaded down. And I agree with Kurt, the bottom rack was awesome - producing spotless glasses, bowls and pots everytime.
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Post# 32575-9/12/2003-20:18 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (Question, what year did KA have the first top rack spray arm?)
MESSAGE: I have not had that much time lately but have tried to at least keep up on reading the postings. Hey everyone. I will soon get caught up on my emails . The great dishwasher god will smike on you some day Partycycle! . I was hoping To find a KA with the "big car handle " SS of coarse, but was wondering what was the first year/model KA made with a spray arm for the top rack. After the X hydro sweep ? Any info would be great. Michael
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Post# 32576-9/12/2003-20:55 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update -- Friday Sept 12th
MESSAGE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1681
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1681
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Post# 32577-9/12/2003-20:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Question)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie - 29" Wide, 25 1/2" Deep and 43" high.
Did you happen to notice the instructions on the lid? When you turn on the power switch, you have 8 seconds to select or modify the washing program or you get the default cycle - Normal wash, fast agitation and spin, 14 minutes agitation and warm wash/cold rinse. Once a program is running, you cannot change it unless you turn off the machine's power and start all over.
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Post# 32578-9/12/2003-21:35 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: GE RINSE GLO
MESSAGE: I have never been a ge d/w fan, mainly because I see so many BOL
machines in apt buildings and builders specials. Never liked the bottom rack;couldn't fit anything odd sized in there. Wash tower was always a problem too. The 2 things that stand out for me are actually pretty old. I once had an Americana portable d/w that someone had given me. It was unique in that it had modifier dials for wash time, rinse time and dry time in addition to the cycle dial. You could customize the cycle quite a bit. I have never seen anything like that ever or since. The other thing I recall was a 'rinse glo' turn dial. You could select jet dry in the final rinse or not. Thought that was unique!
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Post# 32579-9/12/2003-21:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Maytage Top Rack)
MESSAGE: Hehe, well I guess I do. Whenever we have company that help or put in their dishes, they try to stuff the glasses in between tines on the top and kind of "rest" the plates against the bottom tines or the edges of the rack. I always have to move the glasses down and the plates up. Glasses down makes SO much more sense to me, glasses need the most cleaning UP inside them, so what is the point of putting them on the top rack where the only water that comes from below has to make it's way through a hole rack full of plates and cutlery? Most dishwashers have a wash tower or a little thin under the top rack wash arm, but these things don't work nearly as well as the bottom wash arm. The bottom wash arm in ANY dishwasher is ALWAYS the biggest and most powerful. The water flow is directed to it, the other water for the other arms comes as a detour from the main water going to the bottom wash arm, so the bottom wash arm is always more powerful, in any machine. So it just makes the most sense to put glasses down there, which are the dishes which need the most spraying from below. Plates can get sprayed clean from water above, glasses can't. My mom sometimes tries to fit in that extra pot or large bowl and puts it upside down in the TOP rack, those pots or bowls (which usually have hard, dry soils on them) don't usually get clean since not much water gets through the bottom rack which is full of glasses.
About the top rack, we put in the large dinner plates next (left to right) of the silverware basket. Any smaller plates or bowls get loaded front to back in behind the dinner plates and silverware basket like you said. The only problems I have with that is with really deep bowls, if two bowls are right next to each other, one kind of "nests" or goes inside the other and not much water gets sprayed there so sometimes a bowl or two comes out a tiny bit dirty, but that is only from not being careful enough with loading.
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Post# 32580-9/12/2003-21:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (Question)
MESSAGE: That's not a bad default cycle at all. It gives people less time to select "cold wash/cold rinse" and "slow speed spin" Both of which are useless in my opinion for about 95% of clothes. Some really delicate stuff would need slow spin and cold wash, but nearly every fabric out there can take at least warm water for wash. And we will let the dryer get out the wrinkles from the highest spin speed possible:-)
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Post# 32581-9/12/2003-22:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Westy Front Loader)
MESSAGE: I remember reading for years in Consumer Reports where the newer (WCI) Westinghouse FL's had one of the worst Frequency of Repair Records. Always amazed me since the mechanism was MUCH simpler than the average top loader
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Post# 32582-9/12/2003-22:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: What wash system did this dishwasher use? Motors and pumps that ran all through the drying cycle was typical of the early impeller-type machines.
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Post# 32583-9/12/2003-22:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE center tower)
MESSAGE: To be fair, we shouldn't rag on GE so much about the center tower thing, a lot of brands used that system, I've seen it on D & M built machines, WP, and others.
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Post# 32584-9/12/2003-22:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: If they were impeller type dishwashers then that makes a lot more sense as the impeller would create airflow for better drying.
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Post# 32585-9/12/2003-22:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (cold wash)
MESSAGE: Cold water washing has it's place (not REALLY cold). Some stains, especially protein-based ones (blood, egg, milk, chocolate, ice cream) are set by hot water. And, warm or hot water shrinks some clothes. Also, there's the color fading issue. If you are using an electric water heater, you definately want to use warm or hot water only when necessary (underwear, things with greasy stains, really dirty stuff), much more expensive to heat water electrically, unless you live in the Tennessee Valley or some other place where they have really cheap electricity. Most clothes only have a little "body funk" in them and in my experience that comes right out even with cold water and cheap detergent.
One of the things that seems sort of rare is the ability to set most washers for a slow agitation with a fast spin. They always assume that if you pick slow agitation, that the spin must be slow, too.
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Post# 32586-9/12/2003-22:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Exactly :-)
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Post# 32587-9/12/2003-22:58 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE center tower)
MESSAGE: That wouldn't make me as mad as the bulky silverware basket in the bottom rack and the bottom rack itself. But I think GE had a pretty good pump for their older dishwashers (not as good as kitchenaid or maytag) but still quite good, they were reliable at least. I am always amazed at how quiet my grandparents PS is. When I am used to our dishwasher, theirs sounds wisper quiet, especially in drain where there is a roar with ours and a hum with theirs. But I still love the sounds ours makes. I like the sound of when the pump is sucking water and air and it kind of goes roaaaaarrrrrhmmmmmmroarhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Reminds me of the belt drive pump of whirlpool/kenmore washers when it was draining that last bit of water. The motor in ours also makes a really neat tick/click. The motor is huge as I said before, and it starts like a dryer motor. "boomtick, click." With a dimming of the lights. In wash, I can here the pump move all the water, then hum with no water for a fraction of a second, then grab more water and shoot it to the wash arms. (I have checked the fill to be sure and it is just touching the float and heating element so the fills are good.) I am just getting more and more fascinated with our dishwasher by the day:-)
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Post# 32588-9/12/2003-23:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE pump)
MESSAGE: Don't know if you've been under an older GE dishwasher, but they actually have no drain pump. All that happens is that a large solenoid moves a flap that diverts the output of the pump from the wash system to the drain hose. The only other systems I have seen is the reversing motor system, and the separate drain pump. What does system your Maytag use?
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Post# 32589-9/12/2003-23:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (cold wash)
MESSAGE: I do know that some stains are set by hot water. (especially when soaked in hot water.) We have a gas water heater so our hot water is cheap as dirt (or cheap as cold water, almost:-) I actually use warm the most, I use hot for sheets, towels and anything white. But for any other clothes, I use warm. Since I have started washing my own clothes (since about 2 years ago) I haven't used a cold wash since then. My mom did use cold wash for everything, but I quickly got her out of that habit. I haven't noticed any fading with my clothes, and generally things don't shrink with warm water if they say they can be dryed on low heat (low heat dry is hotter than warm water by a long shot.) About speeds, I have noticed that too, but our washer has 3 speeds, we can have for wash/spin
heavy/fast
med/fast
med/slow
slow/slow
int. slow/slow
So obviously no slow agitate with fast spin:-( Unless I adjust it after each agitate (what a pain and waste of time.)
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Post# 32590-9/12/2003-23:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE pump)
MESSAGE: Ya I saw a GE pump many times, when my grandpa fixed a leak on his, I saw the huge solenoid (and I have heard that clunk many times.) And I have seen countless pictures of those pumps. But I was talking about the noise as it was draining (the motor was still running for drain so it was still making a noise, I just meant the humming was softer than with our maytag.)
Our maytag has a reversing, belted style (very large motor in front, right corner, pulley on underside of motor.) The pump sits in the middle with a yellow, round stretch belt to run the pump. The motor and pump is very noticably louder when running in the drain direction (even with no water in it when it turns both ways, the drain direction is louder.) It is really unique, like the older KAs. It uses a heated air dry. So it has a heater AND a blower, just like the kitchenaids (except the heater isn't in the blower area.) Ours isn't drying well right now though since the vent is clogged up with calcium deposits. And with the energy saver (no heat) dry, the interior and dishes are still damp! With heated dry, there is still water in the bottoms of glasses, but that's it.
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Post# 32591-9/12/2003-23:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (speeds)
MESSAGE: Well, at least you get the Medium/fast option as an approximation, more than I can do. I have to let it run through the Delicate cycle, then come back when it's done and run the Spin Only cycle to get the effect I want.
Also, I'm the only one in our household who actually reads the labels on stuff and sort, wash, and dry accordingly. Everybody else just dumps everything together, though I did finally get them to be careful mixing light items with heavy items because of the balance problem with the washer and inaccurate drying times with electronic sensor dryer. Had to post a big sign above the machines to that effect.
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Post# 32592-9/12/2003-23:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: You're Mom probably wouldn't go for it, (I imagine she would want to be the one to pick out glasses and plates) but since I'm charge of our household (it's sort of like a commune here, 6 people)I'm the one who buys utensils and glasses and keeps things repaired (I'm just about to pitch the kitchen faucet, a Delta Peerless that I can't get to stop leaking, my standard is Moen for all fixtures from now on). When I shop for replacement glasses or cups/mugs, I look for dishwasher-friendly stuff flat bottoms (no pools of water to run down the sides), straight sides (flared tops take up more room, can make the difference in getting one more glass in or not), and a decent thickness of the glass itself.
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Post# 32593-9/12/2003-23:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Electronic 1980 (speeds)
MESSAGE: Most of my clothes are very similar (light shorts or pants and perm. press shirts.) Most of them are dark colors, and most of them say cold wash so they get warm wash. I always dry on the lowest setting for my clothes, and the highest setting for sheets and towels. The only time our maytag moisture sensing dryer gets it wrong is when there is a stray towel or pair of jeans with the rest of my light, thin clothes. In that case, the jeans or towel is just a touch damp when it is done.
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Post# 32594-9/12/2003-23:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: Mom wouldn't go for what? Our glasses are so mismatched. See, we have some plastic lemonade glasses with curved bottoms, we have 2 stainless steel cups that hold tons of water in the bottom, nearly all of them have straight sides. My dad breaks too many glasses for us to have really nice ones. Our really nice china is saved for thanksgiving and christmas and that's it. Also we have blue plastic cups with really deep curves in the bottom (hold lots of water.) so that is the main problem for things still being wet.
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Post# 32595-9/12/2003-23:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: That she wouldn't go for you buying the household glasses so you could pick out "dishwasher-friendly" stuff. Moms usually want control over that type of thing.
Your comment about your Dad breaking glasses made me LOL.
I HATE mis-matched glasses, plates and flatware, but nice ones aren't expensive, I buy mine at close-out stores, usually as cheap as 50 cents each, even with nice designs, so I don't worry about breakage. The people around here are as bad as your Dad. I've 2-3 glasses go in one day. Even I screw up then and again on the breakage thing. And I've found broken or cracked ones in the dishwasher more than a couple of times.
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Post# 32596-9/12/2003-23:57 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (Re: Impeller Drying:)
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, our house had a 1954 Hotpoint Dishwasher, that didn't have a Pump, it used a Gravity Drain, so it would run the Motor first before starting the Water entry. It also started the Impeller at the beginning of the Wash Cycle, with the Heater turned on, to Pre-Warm the Dishes and Glasses, it then also did a Pre-Spray of Water to Warm the Dishes. At the end of the Wash/Rinse Cycles, when it started the Dry Cycle, the Motor turned on to run the Impeller to give a "Forced-Air" Heated Dry of the Dishes/Glasses/Silverware, etc. The Cabinet was also 30-inches wide, before coming out with the now
24-inch wide Cabinet's.
At a later date of around the early to mid-1960s, I took the Cabinet Front Panel and Door Panel off and lightly sanded them down and Re-Painted them Coppertone Color, using Appliance Spray Paint, to match the rest of the Appliances of that era of Color's. I did it while my Parent's were out for the day, and they were certainly surprised when they came back home, but they did actually like my Paint Job anyway too.
Peace, Steve
P.S. I hope that everyone has a great weekend...
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Post# 32597-9/13/2003-00:01 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: It had a wash arm with a pop up thing in the center (I'm pretty sure; it was a 1974 model and I'm sure I would have remembered an impeller and special racking those usually have, and impellers were probably largely gone by then). Had a plain door with no control panel, just a timer dial and latch, and a piece to pull the door open. It was a BOL so I don't know if their other models operated in similar fashion.
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Post# 32598-9/13/2003-00:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE center tower)
MESSAGE: True, and I dislike it equally amongst them all, LOL. Least offensive is the Sears/Whirlpool that just has that skinny little tube that runs up the center.
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Post# 32599-9/13/2003-00:12 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Today (POD)
MESSAGE: I know those machine are Frigidaire's but the dryer looks like a bol Whirlpool....
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Post# 32600-9/13/2003-00:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Glasses)
MESSAGE: Oh ya I don't choose the dishes, I don't really care either. We hardly EVER break any plates or bowls so they are all the same (fairly nice ones we got from my grandparents with the GE DW.) But the cutlery (we have SO, SO, SO much cutlery it almost makes the bottom fall out of the drawer.) is all different. We just got some cheapo stuff (fairly nice though) from ikea a little while back and the rest is nice but is older (10 plus years.) But the glasses are all different except ones we just bought. In fact, our cupboard is overflowing with glasses of every type, shape, material etc. My dad doesn't break a glass a day, but he can usually manage to break one every 2-4 weeks. (maybe he gets through a few months without breaking any.) I can't remember the last time I broke anything. And I know only ONE thing has been broken in our DW (not from the DW, but from a pot falling from it's angle perch on a tine and hitting the glass.) Only two large chunks so I didn't have to worry about anything in the pump.
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Post# 32601-9/13/2003-00:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Today (POD)
MESSAGE: That is very true, the almost flat down console makes it look like a 80s whirly. Looks like this dryer here
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2345609734&category=42232
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Post# 32602-9/13/2003-00:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Viking washers
MESSAGE: I just noticed something today at school. I saw a Viking washer in the janitors room. It has the side opening lid and hinges like that of a GM frigidaire. I didn't see the inside, all I saw was the lid. Does anyone know who made this neat washer? It looked to be late 70s or early 80s. Possibly even earlier. When I saw it it was in an out of balance spin:-( I got the janitor and he said it always does that. A second look at the machine and the front legs are out all the way, hmm I wonder why it never spins smoothly... BTW we also have an early 70s maytag commercial there as well with a huebsch (spelling?) origionator load king dryer in the gym and 90s model dependable cares (boo, hiss, no fun, boring...) in the cooking kitchen. The coolest washer there is the viking, I wish I knew who made it.
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Post# 32603-9/13/2003-00:34 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Today (POD)
MESSAGE: Yep, with that machine console you've posted with this dryer cabinet would make the perfect 80's machine!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2346653567&category=42233#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 32604-9/13/2003-03:24 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: not getting thru
MESSAGE: APPNUT your emails are bouncing back from your sage.net email account, :-( hbmuk
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Post# 32605-9/13/2003-06:59 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Maytage Top Rack)
MESSAGE: Well that's very true, for years they SUCKED!! But as the proud mother of a new GE Profile with stainless steel interior and adjustable upper rack, I have to say that there is probably no other machine on the market today that can match its capacity or random loading flexibility. The fold down lower rack is the best I've ever used. Not even my KitchenAid TT can compare. Not even close. The GE is just easier to load. As far as washability goes, it does beat the KitchenAid, no question about it. There don't seem to be any "dead spots" inside the GE like there are in the KA. And I can load broiler pans or cookie sheets on the bottom and 11" plates on the top (front and rear of the rack only), thanks to GE's adjustable top rack, which you cannot do with the KA despite it's adjustable top rack...not enough clearance on the bottom with the rack in the lower position. So they have come a long way after 40 years with a substandard design to all-of-a-sudden spectacular. My only regret is that machine is going with the house that I'm selling. If they were both the same color, I'd swap them out in a heartbeat.
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Post# 32606-9/13/2003-08:37 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 New GE Bottom Rack)
MESSAGE: Partycycle, after your Frig defaults to longest cycle doesn't drop a bunch of minutes after the sensor is satisfied? Mine does. It always starts off at max and has dropped 12 minutes while I was watching.
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Post# 32607-9/13/2003-08:50 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: They would do well to ask us first. (BOL Westy dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Scott, I remember this DW. The one I saw didn't even have a timer dail. Just load, latch and go.
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Post# 32608-9/13/2003-09:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Viking washers (GE)
MESSAGE: It's a GE Filter-Flo in disguise.
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Post# 32609-9/13/2003-10:53 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Washers and Dryers at School
MESSAGE: Hi,
When I went to grade school 1st thru 5, in our Media Center (which was in our building) had a home ec. area. When the school was built in 1967 there was a complete kitchen for home ec students that were still going to the old high school. Everything was Brown General Electric, as it matched the brown and orange paneling in the media center. There was a two door fridge with the freezer on the bottom (all the teachers kept their lunches in there). A dishwasher also GE all I remember is that it DID have a Potscrubber button, a GE cooktop and a GE double oven in the wall. The washer and dryer also GE was complete w/ mini basket. It also was filter flo and the controls did light up..I just can't remember if the light was on the top or the bottom of the panel. It's also useless to look because they remodeled my old school in 1994 and the Home Ec part of the media center was torn out as well, for a new computer lab. And besides they built a new high school in 1986 and they diddn't use it anymore anyway. I never got the cahnce to check out what they had...bummer:-(
When I got to Middle school in a different district which is Grand Ledge where I live now, we had harvest gold Westinghouse everything. As I have said in the past when my school district built BOTH of our middle schools in 1966; the town Westinghosue dealer furnished ALL of the middle schools appliances for the home ec rooms. Our washer and dryer was TOL Westy washer and dryer. There full width lights on the panel, did have a blue agitator and a blue and white speckled porcelain tub. THe dryer had a door light and had "Auto-Dry" feature but I cannot remember much more besides that there were a crapload of chrome buttons on both panels.
Beasides, at that point I was still into vacuum cleaners only and was WAY too busy using their TOL Eureka Cordaway Powertouch Upright from I believe 1974. Ms. Henretty gave me that machine about two years ago. It's still is in perfect shape.
When we got to our freshman year in the old high school, there were old white and chrome Kelvinator stoves and Fridges there but no Kelvy washer and dryer. All this stuff was from the mid 1950's because our old high school was built in 1939 but was remodeled for the last time in 1956. So it must have been then that they got them. But to make a point there was a washer and dryer, but they were just plain old Maytag's. They were the Deeptub Washpower automatics with panel lights, but they were avacado, and I never went in there much because I had no reason to be.
High School did have a washer and dryer in the home -ec room but it was reconverted into a romper room for the socially retarded kids,who couldn't behave themselves, or just plain did drugs and were like total f#@k ups on school time.
The ONE time I was in there, for being in a protest to stop them from locking the "student parking lot gates" during luch time and getting "romper room" as punishment with all the young ne'er do wells of the greater Grand Ledge area, I did notice away from the view of my seat that there was a washer and dryer and they appeared to be Speed Queens. An older SQ set at that. The new High School built in 1963 had Frigidaire stoves and fridges and dishwashers , but upon closer inspection the washer and dryer were Hamiltons. I remember that because it had a funkly little rectangular window in the dryer door. They reminded me personally of the Speed Queen stuff hence my misconception. Lots of turn knobs on the washer and the dryer. And it was so covered in crap because of it being "romper room" and no body took care of anything in there.. I had an opportunity to look at what exactly they were when everyone went out the side door to smoke, I snuck a peek and they were definitly Hamiltons. No lights but had a neat control panel anyway.
That's what I remember in my schools for washers and dryers.
So anyway
That's all for now...
Chad
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Post# 32610-9/13/2003-10:56 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: All the dishwashers I've loved.... part 1
MESSAGE: My parents bought our first dishwasher used from the want ads. It was a '59 or '60 Hotpoint portable, one of the first with the spray type wash system. It had a rubber bellows (like whirlpools) on top of the main wash arm that fed water to a big pink flying saucer thing that washed the upper rack. It did a great job on china on holidays but not so good on moms everyday pink and aqua melmac (cough) tableware. So everything had to be prerinsed.
When Maytag first came out with their topload portable, the Maytag dealer let my folks try one out for about a week. I thought it was cool (I was 5) but it flipped the cheap plastic tumblers over so we went back to the ol' Hotpoint.
Once I got to be junior high age, I pee-whined about having to prewash all the time. My mother had been impressed with the BOL GE dishwasher that was in my slovenly sisters apt., so she bought a used GE portable (think a '71 model). Say what you will about the bottom rack-that one was fabulous. Very few dishwasher rejects with that GE. We even patched a rust hole in the bottom of the tub with silicone and mom just got a new one last year.
The ancient Hotpoint had the best racking system though. I just remember it holding a ton of dishes-more than the GE
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Post# 32611-9/13/2003-12:28 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Americana Portable)
MESSAGE: Please correct me if I am wrong? The Americana portable you mention is a GE DW? It had all of the cycle modifier dials. I recall circa 67/68 a neighbor replacing her aqua color Frigidaire (center spray tube) with that GE DW model in harvest gold. Also, she regreted doing so. That particular model GE DW was discontinued quickly. The models to follow went back to more common dial control/button method of operation.
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Post# 32612-9/13/2003-12:49 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: for appnut
MESSAGE: Your emails are bouncing back from your sage.net account :-(
hbmuk
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Post# 32613-9/13/2003-12:59 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Return of the vintage Maytag DW design?)
MESSAGE: To this day I agree that the unique loading configuration of the vintage Maytag's DW makes the most sense.
Today's TT Maytag DW are powered by the newly designed compact motors that allow the substantial increase in tub dimensions. Leading the way to their 3 rack (still glasses on the top) model. Maybe this is just me? The problem the motor size and placement that plagued the vintage Maytag DW has been solved. Having said that. I so hopped that they would bring back that terrific loading configuration unique only to Maytag. I would buy one immediately.
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Post# 32614-9/13/2003-13:04 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: All the dishwashers I've loved...part 2
MESSAGE: The first dishwasher I bought was a used GE topload portable. I remember my freind who loaned me the $50 bucks asking "are you sure...?" I was sure! It was one of the first GE spray type machines using a vertical rather than the traditional GE horizontal mechanism. It had the power tower and the power shower. Only one dial on it and I had to use the solid jet-dry in the silly little plastic basket(do they even make that anymore?) This noisy little machine had a plain white painted top that I replaced with red mother-of-pearl linoleum. I shoulda just kept it wwhen I moved, but I wanted to live beyond my means so I had to have a GE GSD2800 with the groovy multi-orbit wash arm and fun electronic controls.
After the bankruptcy, the apartment I moved into had a coppertone Westy with one spray arm and a small stainless steel mesh cup for the detergent. One wash and two rinses and then the dry cycle. Prewashing was required!
After I learned to handle money, we bought a house again and I bought a used Maytag belt drive portable WC-401. I had to replace the pump seal and put a new belt in it. It washed pretty good, though they should have had a longer wash cycle and it didn't heat its own water. I got used to the upside down racking.
Foolishly, we replaced the maytag with a new GE portable. Even thought the main wash went on for 45 mins. I thought the washing performance to be sad compared to the GEs I had in the past. Too bad the industry treats portable machines like an ugly stepchild and has not put any of the candy they put on TOL models.
My aunt and uncle still have my GE topload machine but never use it 'cuz they are luddites. I think that was my favorite.
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Post# 32615-9/13/2003-13:27 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Return of the vintage Maytag DW design?)
MESSAGE: Brilliant! The old Maytag loading configuration in the tall tub design would ROCK ON! Hope they would remember to include the party cycle too! My partner always thought that was a cool feature. Oh, and make it stainless steel inside with lots of chrome and lights outside. I'm real tired of the ugly monochromatic look....
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Post# 32616-9/13/2003-13:44 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (GE DW random loading?)
MESSAGE: Yes we should rag against GE DW with that damn center tower. For nearly forty years there was little if any change. Their use of that center tower and placement of the silverware basket made a bottom rack for plates only or a small bowl/pot. During those decades it was if GE never looked at how the competitors DW with this method of wash action designed theirs. With each years new models GE forever maintained the same center tower and bottom rack design. GE DW only recently changed the design of the center tower and bottom rack. See for yourself. Having done so is little improvement if any.
I remember in the mid 70s upon discovering it. I rushed to buy my first Lady Kenmore that was like none other and way ahead of its time. The prior ten years I got by with the ever so tedious to load single hydro sweep wash arm KitchenAid Superba. I had been waiting for this. Lady Kenmore was the first domestic DW that I knew of with two separate direct feed wash arms! Entering this new world of "random loading" was a dream come true. It would be nearly 25 years before GE DW poorly attempted to do so.
Quick question? I am not familiar with D&M. What does it stand for? Thanks.
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Post# 32617-9/13/2003-14:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Viking washers (GE)
MESSAGE: Cool, the lid made me think "frigidaire" when I see a washer with the chopped off edges on the rear hinged lid, then I KNOW it is a GE filter flow. I guess Viking just changed the lid and console to make it its own. I wonder if it leaks yet with all the out of balance loads it gets:-(
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Post# 32618-9/13/2003-14:29 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: D&M stands for Desing & Manufactoring. They made dishwashers for just about everybody -Kenmore, Magic chef, Preway, Speed Queen, Modern Maid, Gaffers & Statler, Roper, Tappan,and others that I can't think of now. They got eaten up by horrible WCI
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Post# 32619-9/13/2003-14:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers at School
MESSAGE: Wow you had some cool washers in your schools. I remember the washer and dryer in my elementary school, they were maytags and they were the EXACT same as the ones at my work, but they were much, much better taken care of. The ones at my work are in horrible shape, the lid has chips all over it, the handle has no paint left. The bottom of the washer sides are all rusty, the dryer door is tilting down and hits the cabinet when you close it. The washer still RUNS like new, but it looks like someone recovered it from the dump. The dryer looks ok (except the door) yet it runs like crap. The motor overheats (don't know why, the motor is clean yet it still overheats) the timer is f***ed up beyond even knowing what is wrong with it. The blower bearing is done for. Yet the washer still washes towels and the dryer still dries them, true maytags.
Also, I remembered the dishwasher in our home ec class last year, it was a GE potscrubber similar to my grandparents (the home ec one would have been late 70s, my grandparents is about 30 years old.) It was a portable model and the teacher didn't know how to hook it up to the faucet (showed me how much she used it) A quick snap on the faucet from me and it was humming along.
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Post# 32620-9/13/2003-14:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Return of the vintage Maytag DW design?)
MESSAGE: Me too:-) But the pumps (belt drive, direct drive and newest one.) are all quite similar. All are reversing, all have the same wash and drain impellers (I think...) the newer two ones are just more complicated with the food disposer. I think maytag wanted to fit in and that's why they went to the glasses on top, just like everyone else. Although the huge motor in the belt drives took up space, it took up space in the front right of the tub, there is a little hi part for the motor to fit in, the rest of the tub is low. The water doesn't even reach up past the motor corner.
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Post# 32621-9/13/2003-14:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: They also made Inglis dishwashers. Our neighbor has one. I always see that very distinctive black wash arm support and the door latch UNDER the console, instead of at the top of the door.
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Post# 32622-9/13/2003-14:52 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Thank you very much for the information about D&M. Just recently I joined this website. I have been learning so much each time I log in. Have a question? Receive an answer in no time! The membership is comprised of vintage appliance lovers like none other.
One final question? Who is the horrible WCI that destroyed D&M? Thanks.
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Post# 32623-9/13/2003-15:02 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: My thanks to you too. For more info about D&M. I see just how limited my knowledge of the vintage dishwasher is. I have got a lot of learning to do. Fine by me! By the way. I am not familiar with the dishwasher brand INGLIS. Is this now a vintage machine? What ere they all about? I have yet to encounter one. Thanks.
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Post# 32624-9/13/2003-15:09 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: WCI stand for White Consolidated Industries. In the mid to late '70s they bought (and cheapened) Frigidaire, Westinghouse's appliance division (hence White-Westinghouse), Kelvinator, Gibson and Tappan. I'm not sure what happened to the ownership but I think it all got sold to Electrolux of sweden (not the same people who do door-to-door vacs over here)so for a while they went by the name of Frigidaire Corp. and now the are using the Electrolux name. (And the american electolux people now call themselves Aerus-r u confused yet?)
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Post# 32625-9/13/2003-15:49 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Inglis is canadian whirlpool. Check out the vintage pics at www.inglis.ca
Also the viking washer that has been discussed would be from a canadian department store called eatons
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Post# 32626-9/13/2003-16:10 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was WCI?)
MESSAGE: Partscounterman thanks again for the info on WCI. How could I have not recognized that dreaded and feared manufacture? You got that right when you mentioned how they cheapened the product line! They certainly got a lot of my money circa 79/80. A little over $2K. Knowing in advance that the White-Westinghouse front loading clothes washer was prone for repair I went ahead and purchased the washer/dryer stack system.
Long story short. In posting 32567 I tell about the demise of my Westys. I went through not one but two washers. My Mom killed hers from repeated overloading. I so liked them when they worked. Not even letting the lady that helped me clean operate it. I got the loading and the correct amount of detergent down to a science. Instead of as the instructions said to add bleach just a quarter cup into the tank followed by detergent, then laundry and to start the cycle.
I recalled that my Grandmother using her wringer model Maytag did not add bleach to the wash water. Doing so impeded the performance of the detergent. Best bleaching results ocurred from adding it to the first rinse. She was right! The tank/door placement on those old Westys allowed access even when it had filled with water. The addition of bleach to the first of the 3 rinses was possible. Fantastic results too.
I am not certain about this. I think that WCI is the manufacture of my new all push button Frigidaire Gallery DW? The overall design is a copy of the European DW. The machine is completely constructed out of plastic, has intermittently circulating wash arms and quirky cycles/features. Having only been pressed into service just six months the auto soil sensor and thermostat control of high temp wash/rinse options are in need of repair.
My heart felt thanks goes those cheapskates at WCI. Life is all about karma. They will get their someday...
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Post# 32627-9/13/2003-16:40 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: We lived for a while in a travel trailer, so we tried one of those carocelle countertop dishwashers. It was fun to watch 'cuz it had a clear dome over it. Sadly, it is just a glorified lawn sprinkler and didn't really clean the dishes so we sent it back. They still sell these things for $160 a pop. Too bad they don't really work
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Post# 32628-9/13/2003-16:47 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers at School (Nice Memories)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad,
Great memories. Thanks for sharing. Wish I could have gotten to see a Hamilton Washer and Dryer.
Your post brought up some memories of my own. The home ec room in the middle school that I attended, which was built in the early 1900's, must have been remodeled in the 60's, because the appliances were coppertone.(I was there from 1970 until 1972.) I was only in there once, so I don't remember the fridge, dishwashers, or stoves. (I do remember that there was more than one stove.) I do remember the slant front Whirlpool washer and dryer.
My high school was built in 1962. I never got into the home ec room, but I could see the white RCA Whirlpool dryer in operation (it had a window in the door)during class changes. I often went out of my way (i.e., but going walking down several flights of stairs only to have to walk back up again) just to be in that part of the building. It had a matching washer. They were replaced with harvest gold GE's during my senior year (1975). The washer was a filter flow dispensall model. (It had the four part dispensor, in the lid.) I never did get to see it work and I missed the RCA Whirlpool Dryer.
The cafeteria had a pair of 1962 Frigidaires in the kitchen. I never saw them work, but I did see them through the open door whenever I was in the hall in that part of the building. (I can spot a Frigidaire a mile a way. ;)) I'm guessing that they used them to wash the workers uniforms. The dryer must have been a Filtrator Model. There was no way to vent it. It was located on 100's of feet from an outside wall of a four story building.
Thanks again for sharing your story and thank you for making me take my own walk down memory lane.
Mike
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Post# 32629-9/13/2003-18:22 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Washers and Dryers in school
MESSAGE: Guys,
Yeah it took me on a memory jog as well. If you want to see a Hamilton washer and dryer, just find the oldest Speed Queens that you can, and picture them with Hamilton nomenclature. Hamilton was the very first manufacturer of dryers, and then later after automatic washers were developed, they used a Speed Queen automatic. Anyone who wishes to dispute this..please do. BUt I remember these and they were so close to Speed queen it was scary.
Not only that, but Hamilton was from Three Rivers Wisconsin, and Speed Queen was from Ripon Wisconsin. All the Kelvinator washers were made in Chicago at first then later Detroit, only cars were manufactured by American Motors in Wisconsin. It seems to me that if they were so close to one another, they may well just use the same stuff between the two companies.
Anyway, my favorite ones from the whole time I was in school were the Westinghouse set in the middle school. I was trying to get them just a few months ago when they remodeled, but they decided to keep them because they were still like brand new and has so little use it diddn't pay the school to rid themselves of them. I actually gave the Grand Ledge School district a down payment to hold them for me. They had wanted $150.00 for the set. All the new appliances are GE.
So that's my reply to this adventure.
Talk later,
Chad
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Post# 32630-9/13/2003-18:59 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Hi All
Haven't posted in awhile. However, I have been following the dishwasher threads with avid interest. As you will recall from my profile, next to collecting Pre-WW II vacuum cleaners, I have been fascinated with dishwashers since my Mom's cousin got a James in 1952 ( I was 6 or 7 at the time). I remember standing on a stool so that I could see the water splash around thru the glass top. I was hooked!!
Partycycle, every item, that you indicated in your post, your Mom puts a dishwasher, I have done for years. Every Saturday morning, I spray my drip pans and trim rings with Easy Off and, along with the knobs, ash trays, etc, get run thru with the regular load. That was the only way to wash the 404 crystal pendants on the chandelier in the dining room!
Our beloved friends, Bonnie and Joyce, just bought a 1917 vintage home in Des Moines. Although the home has been completely updated, this was some years ago. The dishwasher is the first Kitchen Aid Superba with the single hydro sweep wash arm. Their previous house had the original design Maytag.
Bonnie went into mourning when she realized that the Kitchen Aid wouldn't do what the Maytag had done. I really burst her bubble when I told her that the damn thing would probably outlast both of us!
But, I do agree, it is terrible to try and load so that the top rack has any chance of getting clean. I think that next to the GE's with the bottom rack from Hell, that Kitchen Aid takes 2nd Prize.
I have noticed in this current thread that there hasn't been any mention of the early Tappen with big revolving cylinder that splashed water on the dishes much as a car tire splashes water. Also, the steam dishwasher that I remember was the Ling Temco. And what about the Pre-Way whose claim to fame was that it used natural gas to heat the water. This was the machine that Granny Clampett had the Beverly Hillbillies.
Well, I could ramble on but Russell is waiting dinner on me and he is not a patient "waiter:
Best to All of You,
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Post# 32631-9/13/2003-19:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Hamilton washer)
MESSAGE: Hi Chad
When Hamilton started to sell washers to match their famous Hamilton gas dryeres, they outsourced from Norge. When they first came out in the 50's, they were very high rated, as the Norge washers were. Later on, in the 60's, Hamilton washers were made by Blackstone. I'm not sure, but they may have been sucked up by WCI before they died off, as many appliance lines were....most notably Westinghouse and Frigidaire. I don't believe Speed Queen ever made washers for Hamilton.
Rich
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Post# 32632-9/13/2003-19:59 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robbytuck. I had forgot. Added to the list of things my Mom (never to hand wash anything) machine washed in the KA Superba: dog food bowls, glass shelves from a display cabinet, electric skillet and the grease filter part of the stove hood.
Then there was the time that my brother was overhauling his car. He was telling Mom about the difficulty in removing a cleaning solvent from the four cylinder engine block and head piece. Her advice was to spray it with Easy-Off, take out the top rack of the KA Superba enabling the engine block to fit and run it on the 180F "sani cycle" a couple of times... She was right it did the trick!
As much as I have recently bitched about how much I detest GE DW bottom racks. Your mentioning that the second to it rack-from-hell was that of the KA. I cannot believe that I am going to agree. To say something derogatory about my beloved vintage Superbas. Oh, Great Dishwasher God. Please forgive me for having done so? Having said that. A trick I learned from my now departed Mom was. Remove the silverware basket from the Supeba with its one hydro sweep arm. Adjust the top rack all the way up and load the bottom rack completely full with pots, bowls, colanders and broiler pans etc. Then more often than not run it on "light" wash. That house had a boiler system in the basement directly beneath the Superba. Supplying it with an unlimited amount of 160F water. With optimal water temp, good results and the speedy "light" wash made for it to be the cycle of choice.
I had hear about the James DW. Please tell me more? Thanks.
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Post# 32633-9/13/2003-21:01 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: The year was 1976 when I saw a small ad for the "Carocelle Countertop Dishwasher" in the back of House Beautiful magazine. I don't recall what I paid for it. As I unpacked it I knew it was a joke. Just like you did. I returned it. They don't work and their still selling them. You would think that word had gotten out and they would have gone out of business by now. They are a main stay at garage sales!
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Post# 32634-9/13/2003-21:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Hey Party, WCI stands for White Consolidated Industries. They bought Frigidaire in, I believe, 1979. They bought Westinghouse (and turned it into, shudder, White Westinghouse.) a few years before. I guess they are evil since WCI ruined two of the greatest washer makers out
there:-(
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Post# 32635-9/13/2003-21:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: I think Inglis is stricly a Canadian brand. Inglis washers and dryers have always been made by whirlpool. If you go to the appliance cyber musium, you can see an inglis belt drive there. D&M made them for awhile and now I think they are made by Whirlpool like the washers and dryers. They are still very much in buissness here in the great white north.
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Post# 32636-9/13/2003-21:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: Oh right, Eatons. I knew Viking was the brand of some department store, I thought it was The Bay (I know, you guys are all going, Huh, what is that:-) I also saw a TV from Eatons called an "Eaton Viking" So that should have tipped me off, but I never connected a TV to a washer.
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Post# 32637-9/13/2003-21:14 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was D&M)
MESSAGE: BTW when I said "D&M made them for awhile" I meant the dishwashers. The washers and dryers were always made by whirlpool and still are.
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Post# 32638-9/13/2003-23:19 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: I've never owned one, but when I look at the website and saw the price, I screamed at ticket price shock! By now it should be half the price for poor washing ability!
LINK: http://www.carocelle.com/store/index.htm?aboutus.htm&1
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Post# 32639-9/13/2003-23:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: All they do is spray in water from your house constantly? How do they drain? Hell, I could make one myself for 10 bucks!
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Post# 32640-9/14/2003-00:17 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid dw date ? (65-68 Must be DW safe.)
MESSAGE: Partycycle
If you visit the library and go to "Vintage Consumer Articles"
there is a copy Consumer Reports first review of dishwashers published in December, 1952. They rank the James but really don't explain it's somewhat unique water distribtion system.
One of our club members found one at an estate sale a couple of years ago. This caused quite a stir. There were photos posted at the time but that YAHOO album may now be in cyber heaven! If you will take a look at the Consumer Reports article and go to page 2, you will see a picture of a lady looking into the "Spiegel version of the James. On page 4 the re the rating of the machine gives you its dimensions as 35.5 inches tall, 18"wide and 25" deep. The machine could be purchased separately, as most were. However, a 36" gas range/dishwasher combination was introduced. I have a feeling that there were not many of these made Most 36" stoves at the time had either a double oven configuration or an oven and broiler (side by side). James simply left out one oven ( or broiler) and replaced it with the dishwasher.
The late 40's and early 50's were a time of much innovation in household appliances. Some were successful and others weren't. The combination stove/dishwasher, along with the Thor automagic washer/dishwasher, probably would be ranked in the later group.
This is what Mom's cousin had. If you will follow the attached link, I did find a description of what they looked like. I am sure that many of Applianceviles long standing members will be better able to fill you in on the details.
Occasionally, there will be an old add for this combination up for bid on E-bay.
Best Wishes
LINK: http://www.cfcl.com/cfcl/rick/james/james.html
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Post# 32641-9/14/2003-01:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school
MESSAGE: Probably what you saw was a Blackstone built washer with a stainless steel tub - like Speed Queen, but not made by them. Blackstone began making washers for Hamilton in 1962, previously sourced from Norge beginning in the early 50's.
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Post# 32642-9/14/2003-04:15 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay
MESSAGE: Too bad I don't need a dryer.
-Alex
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2346912899&category=20714
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Post# 32643-9/14/2003-04:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like
MESSAGE: I remember overhere in the Netherlands a similar design was used for a 'real' dishwasher. The motor and spray arm were ofcourse in the base. It was a rather heavy machine, so it wasn't very portable. I saw them a few times in a store overhere but never knew somebody who actually owned one. They had a big black bakelite knob for the timer. I wished I would come across one, I bet they're great for dishwashing drama!
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Post# 32644-9/14/2003-12:35 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (How it drains)
MESSAGE: You just set it on the counter and it drains out the bottom of the pan.
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Post# 32645-9/14/2003-13:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink
MESSAGE: Has anyone else encountered one of these? In the mid 80s my parents had purchased an old home and having the kitchen completely remodeled. I was going to visit them. The moment I arrived there were four men struggling to load this 1950 model Jackson combo into the trash dumpster. Of course I got in and looked it over. Under the sink cabinet the clothes washer drum was stored when being used as a DW. The operating dial was divided into two cycles clothes/dishes. The original operting manual was inside. Unfortunately in the confusion it was thrown out. I spoke with the original owner. She said that it did work, the capacity was very limited and the performance was not that great. Also, she recalled that it required a monthly visit from the plumber to keep it going.
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Post# 32646-9/14/2003-14:35 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Peter770 ---are you going to get this?)
MESSAGE: Wow,
What a wonderful gas dryer!
I am sure that this dryer is more rare than the ABC-Omatic Washer!
Peter - you should get it!
Thanks for the link.
Brent
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Post# 32647-9/14/2003-15:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Sucker for a Carocelle)
MESSAGE: I have yet to go to a yard/garage sale that there is not a Carocelle countertop dishwasher priced "make and offer". Amazing that these jokes are still being sold. Yet their website home page gones on about how terrific it is! This was over 20 years ago. Knowing better I still purchased one. Quickly returning it. It was to drain into the sink. Located next to the drain opening was a small indentation that was to be filled with liquid detergent. A siphoning action mixed it into the water supply before entering the wash arm. After the detergent was gone and now drawing in air through this opening. A whistling noise could be heard and the spray action diminished considerably. Operating it just once. I can't believe that I still remember this. Putting my finger over the little opening in the detergent indentation stopped the air being drawn in that was lowering the water pressure. Great ! Not only is it worthless. To operate meant having to stick my finger in the hole too. I was embarrassed.
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Post# 32648-9/14/2003-16:00 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Yup, pretty worthless.)
MESSAGE: It's too bad dryers doin't carry any value. Well, they all do the same thing and none of them have any unique action. Maybe he could sell it for parts? Or, perhaps he can donate it to the Salvation Army (if they take appliances).
I would have just saved my money and left it out on the curb.
MrCoffee
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Post# 32649-9/14/2003-17:31 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: I am in the chat room now
MESSAGE: I am in the chat room now for an hour or so its now 11.30 pm UK TIME , if you wanna join me please feel free. Here is the link http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32650-9/14/2003-17:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Sucker for a Carocelle)
MESSAGE: The manufacturer should be too. I can't believe they are still in buisness and I can't believe people actually buy them.
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Post# 32651-9/14/2003-17:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Yup, pretty worthless.)
MESSAGE: Dryers are not nearly as fascinating as washers or dishwashers or vacuums, but sometimes I find the older designs (maytag halos, this ABC etc) to be rather interesting.
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Post# 32652-9/14/2003-19:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: I am calling upon you members with the incredible knowledge and expertise regarding the history of the vintage KitchenAid Superba.
Okay. As a new member I am hell bent on purchasing a vintage KA. I sooo need your guidance. I have discovered a mint condition KDS-60 Energy Saver V portable for sale. I am not familiar with it. In 1980 I did have (not since owned a KA) the soon to be discontinued Superba Energy Saver IV model.
I would really appreciate information about this one. Thank you in advance. I knew creating that makeshift shrine in my kitchen for the Great Dishwasher God. Would pay off! The candles were lit, offering of gifts and knelt down in prayer.
To quote Mother Teresa. "...more tears are cried for those prayers that are answered than those that are not..."
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Post# 32653-9/14/2003-20:05 ||| Partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: I am calling upon you members with the incredible knowledge and expertise regarding the history of the vintage KitchenAid Superba.
Okay. As a new member I am hell bent on purchasing a vintage KA. I sooo need your guidance. I have discovered a mint condition KDS-60 Energy Saver V portable for sale. I am not familiar with it. In 1980 I did have (not since owned a KA) the soon to be discontinued Superba Energy Saver IV.
I would really appreciate information about this model. Thank you in advance. I knew creating that makeshift shrine in my kitchen for the Great Dishwasher God. Would pay of ! The candles were lit, offering of gifts and knelt in prayer.
To quote Mother Teresa. "...more tears are cried for those prayers that are answered than those that are not..."
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Post# 32654-9/14/2003-21:00 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: To Bad the washer doesn't come with it
Peter
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Post# 32655-9/14/2003-21:45 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V (getting the Kitchenaid itch)
MESSAGE: Partycycle-Here I go being the big know-it-all again, but it is my b-day today so indulge me.
I'm not 100 % sure on this but a KDS-60 should be the portable version of the KDS-20. So it should have the upper "load as you like" sprayer. Hope it a real groovy color-avacado would be so marv!
The way everybody is going on about Kitchenaid has almost got me longing for a good ol' KD-16 or KD-17 and I used to despise Kitchenaids (no upper spray arm-are you kidding?) I am being coaxed by the memories of lovely chrome push buttons,twinkling cycle lights and a very authoratative sounding motor so much that I could almost overlook the fussy loading techniques. Just wash your pots and pans first on the lower rack! Its a great excuse to use the dishwasher twice. and yes I think I need a machine with the party cycle:)
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Post# 32656-9/14/2003-22:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay
MESSAGE: Fantastic find and in gas no less! Looks like it's in near-mint condition too.
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Post# 32657-9/14/2003-22:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Thor?)
MESSAGE: Did it look similar to this?
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Automagic+Sink+1.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32658-9/14/2003-22:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: VINTAGE A.B.C. Gas Clothes Dryer for sale on ebay (Yup, pretty worthless.)
MESSAGE: It must have some value, there is a bid on it...
One man's trash is another's treasure!
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Post# 32659-9/14/2003-22:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: The 20 series began in March 1981 and was replaced with the 21 series in April 1984. This machine, like the 19 before it, uses 120F water and heats to operating temp allowing for lower house water temp setting. The 800 watt heater returns after the 19 series' drying failures, but we have a "heat off " selection on the "20" that will permit drying without the heater energized to save energy.
20 series cycles are:
Heavy Wash - 78 min. @ 140F
Pots/Pans Soak&Scrub - 92 min. @ 140F
Low Energy - 69 min. @ 140F
Sani Cycle - (165F final rinse) 88 min @ 140F
Rinse&Hold 6 min.
Cancel
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Post# 32660-9/14/2003-22:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: I rented a single garage at an apartment complex near me to store some of my appliances for the winter. I snapped a couple of pics over there today when I was dropping off the Tappan Fabulous 400 range I removed from my sister's kitchen this weekend. I had my camera with me to take pics of the 68 Maytag portable dishwasher stored there for "find the ugliest dishwasher" contest on a local radio station. I could win a brand new Maytag Jetclean II - woohoo.
Here are a few pics from the storage unit and a few new things I've not posted before that I've found in the last month or so.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=New+Storage+Unit.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32661-9/14/2003-23:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Greg, how come she removed the Fabulous 400, and what is she going to replace it with?
Is that KA a 22? It looks slightly different than mine did. What's up with the front?
Thanks for the pictures! :)
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Post# 32662-9/14/2003-23:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: What is the washer on the right side, second from the front? I don't recognize the control panel layout.
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Post# 32663-9/15/2003-01:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Based on the lid, it looks to be a frigidaire something. The console also is tipped back, typical of a later GM frigidaire.
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Post# 32664-9/15/2003-04:21 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Hand washing dishes
MESSAGE: As much as I have desired a dishwasher money, and space say no. The best and most hygienic way I wash my dishes is by washing at the sink, in a bowl using water that is hot as the hand can bear. I have a plastic drainer by the the sink so I stack the dishes horizontally, along with the cutlery. The tip is to soak the dishes 1st so the dishes or what ever I am washing heats up in the water, then wash them clean and put them on the drianing rack. After I have washed every thing, I then use a kettle full of boiling water and rinse everything while still in the rack. This way all the dishes dry on their own, and a tea towel does not touch the dishes. As we all know tea towels are full of germs and bacteria after the first dry up on a clean tea towel.
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Post# 32665-9/15/2003-04:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Inglis dishwasher by D & M)
MESSAGE: Wow, THAT's a revelation, since Inglis is a brand name of Whirpool
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Post# 32666-9/15/2003-04:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (WCI)
MESSAGE: WCI also bought Philco, which meant they bought the appliance divisions of all the car companies that had them, Philco from Ford, Frigidaire from General Motors, and Kelvinator from American Motors. I recentlyreceived some parts for my Kenmore dishwasherwhere the parts bag still had Philco as one of the brand names on it. Anybody knwo when they stopped using the Philco brand? And now, Kelvinator brand is going bye bye.
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Post# 32667-9/15/2003-04:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Carocelle countertop dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Those require really high water pressure and hot water that I doubt you had in a travel trailer.
Does anyone own one of those small electric countertop dishwashers? Cute but expensive.
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Post# 32668-9/15/2003-04:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: So when's the last time anybody's seen a Wizard washer sold by Western Auto?
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Post# 32669-9/15/2003-07:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Inglis brand by Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I think Whirlpool uses the Inglis brand in other countries, too.
Currently Sears uses GE for their cheap line of dishwashers and Whirlpool for the better ones.
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Post# 32670-9/15/2003-07:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Like Montgomery Wards where everything was "Signature" and J.C. Penny was "Penncrest". Sears tended to split things up, with large appliances like washers and dryers, and small appliances like toasters & coffemakers were Kenmore, refrigerators and freezers were Coldspot (originally), and electronic things like radios and TV's were Silvertone.
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Post# 32671-9/15/2003-07:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A dishwasher I didn't like (Carocelle countertop dishwasher)
MESSAGE: drains directly into sink, uses regular dish detergent
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Post# 32672-9/15/2003-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Hi Scott- The oven on the Fab 400 stopped working, 45 min. to heat to 300 so she decided to replace it with a standard 30" range and micro/hood above. I found a nice, basic GE range that we put in yesterday and we'll buy a new microwave/hood this week. She's going to use the GE range for a while and then buy a new range at some point in the future. The Fab 400 is just dreamy to look at, but has a rather small oven and is obtrusive with the burner 'drawer' pulled out in a small kitchen.
Not sure on the KA diswasher, it might have been a year or so earlier than yours. I'll have to check the model number next time I'm over there.
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Post# 32673-9/15/2003-07:50 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes
MESSAGE: So sorry to hear of you dishwasher-less condition. Most folks here on the north american continent would rather eat thier own young than live without a dishwasher. When I lived in the travel trailer (you'd say "caravan") and the little Carocelle thing didn't work out, we just switched to disposable tableware(what would you expect from an ugly american?). Besides, dishwashers are just so much fun!
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Post# 32674-9/15/2003-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: That is the '69 Montgomery Wards Signature (leaking oil in the wash) The right side row is - 69 Maytag toploading dishwasher, Signature washer and the Hoover/Blackstone set.
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Post# 32675-9/15/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: So there's no space for even a used portable? Or one of those little electric countertop ones I've seen? You have my sympathy, I hated doing dishes as a child, and I was absolutely amazed when I found out that there was a MACHINE that would wash dishes. When I was growing up in the late 50's/early 60's, most people we went to visit had washers, but not dryers, and dishwashers were REALLY rare and considered to be a luxury. The first one I ever saw was in a house my Great Aunt and Uncle (Mom's side of family) bought in 1965, that had a Tappan installed. The second one was a Frigidaire spray tube model installed in a new house my Mom's parents built. Again, never could convince my Grandmother to use it. Third one was GE top loading portable that came with a house my other Great Aunt's (Dad's side) employer bought (she was their housekeeper). My Aunt would never use it unless I happened to be with her that day, even though I showed her to hook it up and operate it. It later was given to her, but again, never used it. It then went to her sister, who also never used it. It eventually wound up at my house, where it DID get used until replaced by my current built-in Kenmore electronic dishwasher during a kitchen remodel in 1978.
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Post# 32676-9/15/2003-08:15 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Please Advise? KitchenAid Superba KDS-60 Energy Saver V
MESSAGE: I would by all means get that machine. It was a HUGE improvement over the Energy Saver IV. Even with 120 degree water, it doesn't take too long on the "Low Energy" cycle (which is the "Normal" cycle). The "Low Energy" cycle on that model is identical to the "Normal" cycle on my parent's KDS-21. They keep their water heater around 130 degrees, and it does a fine job.
T.
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Post# 32677-9/15/2003-09:12 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: I think that machine is a KUDA22...the "Architect" model of the 22 series--equivalet to the Superba except for its control panel. It was KAs first machine with a color-matched control panel, and they claimed the taller control panel lined up better with cabinet drawers. This must have been important to some people at the time...
As for the front, I think its just missing its interchangeable panels (it's VariFront panels :) ) and the corrugated carboard that kept them pressed forward in the frame.
T.
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Post# 32678-9/15/2003-09:31 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models)
MESSAGE: Is that series mechanically different from the standard KD machines? (Oh, guess I could go look that up myself!!)I just remember seeing those @10-12 years ago and thought that they didn't quite look like the other Kitchenaids.
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Post# 32679-9/15/2003-09:36 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Hey Deep...I wish you lived closer to me....I'd buy that KA from you. Do you know what model year it is? Does it incorporate the Whirlpool power clean module in its wash system or is it the traditional KA system? It's really hard to find anything like that in new condition where I am.
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Post# 32680-9/15/2003-09:38 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models)
MESSAGE: Where would you look up information such as that for the older models....things such as cycle information, etc. Is that available from KA on their website? Thanks for any info anyone can provide.
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Post# 32681-9/15/2003-09:52 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models)
MESSAGE: I have access to model # look-up for parts where I work. These are strickly parts explosion pictures of the various models. This does not include any cycle info. Sometimes that info is covered in the service manuals that our service techs have. I have no idea where you can find this sort of thing if you don't work in the appliance industry(beside e-bay of course!)Hope I can continue to work with appliances after I move 'cuz I've the appliance bug real bad!!!
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Post# 32682-9/15/2003-10:28 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Great POD. I have always loved the Flair ranges. We had a Fridigaire conventional range with the same knobs and burners. Built like a tank. The Radiantube burners are kind of interesting if you've never examined them in person. They pivot up and out of the way but do not detach (at least ours didn't). They also cook pretty well but stay hot for a long time since they are almost twich as thick as conventional burners. But here's my question for you Fridigaire experts: Did an Amazon Housewife/Maid come with every Flair range? Missy's towering over that range and the burners are almost down to her knees! LOL
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Post# 32683-9/15/2003-10:35 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Excuse me everyone: Frigidaire would be the proper spelling after this boy has his coffee. It's still early in the West.
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Post# 32684-9/15/2003-10:36 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Hey Gansky....any chance that KA dishwasher shown in your storage unit is for sale? I wish you lived closer to me, I'd buy it from you. It's hard to find such things here in Florida where I live.
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Post# 32685-9/15/2003-11:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: for appnut
MESSAGE: Check my profile for my correct email address. Thanks. Bob
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Post# 32686-9/15/2003-11:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, congrats on your first off-site storage facility! You know what that means, you've fallen off that slippery-slope deep into appliance collection-hood! I fell off that same cliff a few months ago myself when we moved and now I plan on keeping my off-site storage. Welcome, we are always looking for more members in the "off-site storage club" too, LOL :)
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Post# 32687-9/15/2003-14:53 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Thor?)
MESSAGE: Yes, the combo washer/DW/sink pictured in your link is almost identical to the Jackson model. It was 1983 and the Jackson was almost buried in jagged debris full of nails and losts of plaster dust. I was dressed in a business suit. Not now. That did not stop me from crawling into the tracker trailer size dumpster to partake such a one-of-a-kind behemoth appliance. The clothes washer drum had a center cone. The DW rack loading configuration was like taht of a stadium. There was a control dial positioned on the front in the middle of the unit. On the dial the words "clothes", "dishes" were divided by the work "off". That's all.
I see that you have indeed the ugliest DW! That avocado Maytag top loader is truly a design failure one-of-a-kind. Brings back memories. Somebody gave that design the go ahead and paid them for it. Even in the middle of the deepest and darkest jungle the natives would not have tolerated it.
Do I understand this correctly? This KDS-60 Energy Saver V that I am interested in is like that of the Energy Saver IV? The KDS-60 also heats specific fills to a predetermined water temp? I was hoping that it was not. Even though my water supply is at 140+. I am going to think this purchase over. My kitchen is a very long and narrow galley style. As it is now with the built-in DW door down I have to jump over it to exit. The additional operating time for water heating could be an issue.
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Post# 32688-9/15/2003-14:59 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (Are you crazy?)
MESSAGE: Oh, I couldn't agree with you more ! Thanks for the laughs about eating our young. Tell me that the telephone, TV, VCR, a/c, refrigerator, stove, microwave and PC are out-of-order. I can handle it. But don't tell me the dishwasher is out-of-order. When my Maytag DW after numerous repairs and second push button to start timer motor failed. The alarms went off. I stopped everything, went out, purchased, brought back and had a new DW installed in a total down time of less than 4 hours ! I was hell-bent on a mission and all the while the sound track to Peter Gun was playing in my mind. Boy, that was some day.
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Post# 32689-9/15/2003-15:26 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Comfortable Seating...)
MESSAGE: Bare in mind that this vintage appliance wonderland is all new to me? This week I am working at a feverish pace to acquire the first and now know to be of many vintage KA DWs. This website is as if I looked into a magic crystal ball. Seeing my future path leading to possessing the most sought after of vintage appliance shrines. Off site storage !
Just a suggestion. For the ultimate in pleasure. To me there is room for a couple of recliner chairs and cocktail tables. Create a viewing / meditation area. Think about it?
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Post# 32690-9/15/2003-15:28 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Norge: Agitation and Water Throw
MESSAGE: I was just watching the '50's Norge footage in the museum and was amazed at how slow the agitation speed is, at least when compared to the short-stroke, hyper-speed non-classic Whirlpool/Maytag-made machines.
While on the subject of Norge, where the hell does all that water go so quickly on the spin-out? I'm amazed a drainpipe could swallow all that water in a matter of seconds! How big is the freakin' pump on that machine?
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Post# 32691-9/15/2003-15:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge: Agitation and Water Throw
MESSAGE: This is a solid tub machine. The water is spun out into the outer tub where it can remain while the pump works. Some machines (Frigidaire) would store wash water in the outer tub for reuse in subsequent wash cycles ("suds saver")
-ph
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Post# 32692-9/15/2003-15:51 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (KA DW ?)
MESSAGE: So I can keep up with the rest of you guys. I am reciting and committing to memory vintage appliance model numbers.
Isn't that a 90/91 KA Superba architect series DW pictured? Options for the control panel were balck, white, almond and brushed chrome. That year I was caught up in the must have Euro appliance fad. I purchased the Bosch DW. I regreted my betrayal to KitchenAid.
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Post# 32693-9/15/2003-15:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: No fair!!! You guys have basements! It's no fun to have off site storage when you don't have proper room at home for washer restoration and use!
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Post# 32694-9/15/2003-16:02 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Energy Saver V)
MESSAGE: The energy saver V only heats water once in Low Engergy/Normal cycle, maybe twice in Soak and Scrub. Not at all like E.S. IV...and it has heated drying also (with Energy Saver dry button if you choose)
T.
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Post# 32695-9/15/2003-16:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Jackson combo/DW/clothes washer/Sink (Energy Saver V)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the specific differences in cycles between the E.S. IV and E.S. V models. The 23 y/o KDS-60 E.S. V that I am interested in purchasing is a portable. I would be using it as my primary DW. Supplied with 140+F water and the amount of time required for 2 fills heated to 150F for "economy / normal" wash was a concern of mine.
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Post# 32696-9/15/2003-18:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Wards had a few divisions too: the tvs/radios etc were "Airline" and some of the refrigeration-type stuff was "Tru-Cold". Signature for everything else though.
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Post# 32697-9/15/2003-18:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More
MESSAGE: Thanks. :-)
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Post# 32698-9/15/2003-18:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: These are probably one of the best-designed ranges ever. Fun to look at and a joy to use. I always liked the Radiantube burners too.
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Post# 32699-9/15/2003-18:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge: Agitation and Water Throw
MESSAGE: I expect it spends some time in the outer tub whilst exiting the machine, similar to a solid-tub Frigidaire. When you watch one of these drain out the hose, it actually drains fairly slowly compared to some other machines. But, the machine throws the water very quickly out of the inner tub, which does its thing while the waste water takes its time exiting the outer. Not too long, but longer certainly than it takes exiting the inner tub.
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Post# 32700-9/15/2003-19:46 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: Oh please now your tempting me to get one, LOL
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Post# 32701-9/15/2003-20:25 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: 1949 Round Top Load GE Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I understand the Applianceville membership preamble and have achieved a crucial step in my group initiation. So happy I could slap myself!
I just purchased and a waiting delivery of a 1949 round top loading GE dishwasher. Yes. It is the one on e-Bay. Stating that it is in mint condition, never been operated and includes the original instruciton manual and other paperwork. Yes. I know about the 3 lies. Something about not in the mouth and a check is in the mail. No I did not pay that price. As a former salesman that could sell and old lady wearing white gloves a full platter of barbequed ribs. Not that I would have. I negotiated a reasonable price. There's money left for the kids lunches, air in the car tires and gas in the tank to get me to the "poor house".
I know of one other member that has this exact machine. Are there more? Please contact me with any knowledge about it and / or operating tips with regard to this machines semi automatic operation. Thanks.
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Post# 32702-9/15/2003-20:26 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: Oh sweety darling.....you simply muuuust try one of those spiffy countertop numbers!!! You can have an Equator or a Danby for between 169 and 229 American. Thery're available online from a variety of sources and really work well. You simply must divest yourself of the tedious chore that is dishwashing and invest in a little luxury....too bad there are no vintage countertop units out there!! You do have some counterspace don't you, sweetie darling??? After all, you know that old saying about one who's work is never done?????
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Post# 32703-9/15/2003-20:42 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: you devil andrew you
MESSAGE: YOU DEVIL YOU DID IT, That has got to be the worst English accent I have ever seen from an American. I will have to get a bench top dishwasher now, your a sinner and you should be punished for tempting me. I will let you know how I will punish you later (WICKED EVIL LAUGH)
I am in debt Andrew sweetie, but I now simply must look for a decent reconditioned model. As one does not have the lolly to buy a brand SPANKING new machine, as soon as one sees a machine one can afford darling Andrew one will inform my charming friends in Appliance ville tootle pip every one from
hairybigmanuk
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Post# 32704-9/15/2003-20:45 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (There. There ...)
MESSAGE: Andrew I sit here with a smart vodka cocktail and cigarette. Knowing better to never cross the like of you. OUCH !!! Keep'em coming? I so enjoyed the laugh. Thanks.
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Post# 32705-9/15/2003-22:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: This photo is not mine, but it is EXACTLY like what I picked up tonight. I will try to post pics ASAP, I was told that this machine has not been used or even tried out for the ten plus years that this couple has lived there. Its a Frigidaire WO-65, Its a '53 or '54. I never, ever thought I would find a unimatic. The plug is broken so I need to replace that first before I can even try it out, there is not a single mark, dent or scratch on this machine. The cabinet is showroom new. The inside tub and rubber is like new. The chrome shows the most "wear" being a little rusted and pitted. The aluminum? agitator "shaft" and/or column if you will seems to not stay on or some metal piece inside broken, like someone messed with it and broke it. It has a black rubber detergent cap that says 1/2 cup inside. I am both anxious and nervous to try it out when I get a chance. I am so excited about this find, I still cannot believe it. I must be dreaming ......
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/latest+...+...&.dnm=021.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 32706-9/15/2003-22:18 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (There. There ...)
MESSAGE: You're very welcome, sweetie darling.....I live to entertain....and amuse.
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Post# 32707-9/15/2003-22:19 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1949 Round Top Load GE Dishwasher (congrads!!)
MESSAGE: Thats awesome, good for you !! I sent you an email with instructions, hope it helps :) I am anxious to see pics of yours ........... I assume it is exactly like mine ......... just an on / off switch and a lever on the handle/lid for fill/drain and wash/rinse ...........
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Post# 32708-9/15/2003-22:23 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: you devil andrew you
MESSAGE: Remember pumpkin.....Christmas is coming....the time of year to TREAT YOURSELF!! And what better treat?? Well, second best treat!! Toodles.....
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Post# 32709-9/15/2003-22:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Greg, this is just too wonderful for words! My very best wishes with it going forward!
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Post# 32710-9/15/2003-22:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it ((ty))
MESSAGE: thanks very much Scott, I am extremely fortunate, even if it doesn't work, I look forward to getting it going again :)
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Post# 32711-9/15/2003-22:52 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
OMG! I'm thrilled at this wonderful news! :-) Good for you! :-) The plug should be a fairly easy replacement. Hopefully, you'll be able to repair the pulsator without too much trouble.
Mike
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Post# 32712-9/15/2003-23:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it ((thnxMike))
MESSAGE: Thanks very much Mike, yes it is indeed a wonderful find and very rare, I was dying to share the news with you guys to share the excitement ............
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Post# 32713-9/15/2003-23:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Inglis dishwasher by D & M)
MESSAGE: NOW it is, but I saw our neighbors D&M made inglis AND I read that D&M did make dishwashers for Inglis. But now all their appliances are renamed Whirlies.
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Post# 32714-9/15/2003-23:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Hey, maybe it's time for you to fall over that slippery-slope too Peter!
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Post# 32715-9/15/2003-23:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Coldspot was a sears name? I thought coldspot was its own company before dieing off like so many others? Hmm, I guess I am mistaken.
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Post# 32716-9/15/2003-23:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (CONGRATS!)
MESSAGE: Wow, great find Greg!! It sounds like the screw that holds down the detergent dispenser has broken off, let me know if you need a new one, I have a few of those laying around here somewhere.
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Post# 32717-9/15/2003-23:14 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: you devil andrew you (Second Best Treat?)
MESSAGE: Andrew you are evil, wicked and mean. I just love it ! By the way just what "second best treat" were you talking about? I have been ridden hard and put away wet. At least I have my memories, smart vodka punch cocktails and Applianceville.com. I cry softly and will include those less fortunate who are "shoulder-to-the-wheel" faced with relentless hand dishwashing in my prayers. The Great Vintage Dishwasher God has been so kind to the likes of me. Go figure?
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Post# 32718-9/15/2003-23:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: That's a pretty shiny frigidaire you got there. Sweet. Give us all the details:-) Congrats.
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Post# 32719-9/15/2003-23:17 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: So, it's official now? I had originally thought the Electrolux name would not be used fully until next year, and I knew nothing about Aerus.
When last I checked it 2 weeks ago, the frigidaire.com website still has the labels Frigidaire, Gibson, Westinghouse, et.al. Interesting...
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Post# 32720-9/15/2003-23:20 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (who was WCI?)
MESSAGE: They already got it.
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Post# 32721-9/15/2003-23:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Aereus (which used to be electrolux USA) and electrolux UK are totally different companies (as seperate as Ford and Honda:-) The only time they were the same was back in the 1920s, then they quickly became their own companies. Electrolux UK just recently bought frigidaire from WCI and they also have Eureka vacuums in the USA. Confused?
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Post# 32722-9/15/2003-23:23 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Yes, they used Coldspot for their refrigerators, freezers, air conditioners, dehumidifiers and etc. Sometime in the early 1980s or so I think it was they decided to use the Kenmore name on everything.
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Post# 32723-9/15/2003-23:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Kurt, what about in Canada these days? Are there Aeruses or Electroluxes? They used to have different models in Canada with different tank designs and different style tools. Not sure if they were an offshoot of Lux USA, their own separate division, or part of Lux Sweden.
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Post# 32724-9/15/2003-23:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Wonderful news Greg - I knew it wouldn't be long until you stumbled upon a unimatic, congratulations! Your wash will be pounds lighter from the super spinning and you can use that 58 Filtrator in record time now!
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Post# 32725-9/15/2003-23:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: No more washers in the living room! ;-)
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Post# 32726-9/15/2003-23:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: The storage place where I had a spot for about a year was climate controlled and you entered all units from inside a much larger building. All some enterprising person would need to do is install a number of hookups in some various special units, and there you'd be! :)
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Post# 32727-9/15/2003-23:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: They're all Aereuses now too. I think lux canada used to have different designs, but then they stopped making their own bodies and now everything is the same as in the USA. Just like sears with their consoles. You saw the one on our belt drive eh? It was definitely Canadian. BTW belt drives in Canada were made (or sold?) until the early 90s, about 92 or 93, so there are TONS of them still around. One of my friends has the identical model to our one that we had but it is suffering from the same problems. Leaky agitator shaft seal meaning the tranny is getting water, rusty tub etc. I saved the very unique console from our belt drive before it got taken. I also saved the lid, dual action agitator, drain hose, fabric softenor dispensor. SO later when I find a belt drive with a boring console, I will put ours on and it will be the same as the one we had except without all the problems:-)
But now, all sears consoles are the same as USA ones. Same with Aereus Canada. SO yup, Aereus USA and Canada are basically the same.
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Post# 32728-9/16/2003-00:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: wow Greg! congratulations...what a find!!!
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Post# 32729-9/16/2003-00:21 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: Back in the early 90's when helping a friend clean out his mother's basement. Washer only; the Monkey Wards dryer appeared to be quite new.
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Post# 32730-9/16/2003-00:23 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Re: Is KA a 22?)
MESSAGE: Hey Scott:
Was yours the touch pad/LED screen model? Could account for the difference...
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Post# 32731-9/16/2003-00:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (Rubber Gloves - Go Git You Some)
MESSAGE: You are using rubber gloves when you wash, yes? You can get the water hotter that way and still be able to stand the heat.
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Post# 32732-9/16/2003-00:31 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Architect Models - Same Ol Same Ol)
MESSAGE: Yep, the same as other KA's of that vintage. The same year - 1994 - that I bought a MOL Quiet Scrub for my Mother, a gentlemen at my church bought the electronic Superba Selectra Architect for his wife. Twice I saw it in operation, and the mechanical action was the same as Mother's.
By the by, that should be the first year KA's started showing up with Whirlpool guts in them.
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Post# 32733-9/16/2003-00:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Re: Is KA a 22?)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, actually the control panel on mine was almost indentical to Greg's only mine was all in white and some other slight changes. I was wondering about that funky galvanized front beneath the panel, and someone pointed out it was just missing its panels. :)
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Post# 32734-9/16/2003-00:34 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope (congrats on the move!))
MESSAGE: Hi Robert:
Congrats on finally getting your new place built and moved into. Dyou have pictures yet?
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Post# 32735-9/16/2003-00:37 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Bosch Regrets)
MESSAGE: Why? What was wrong with the Bosch?
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Post# 32736-9/16/2003-00:41 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Aerus)
MESSAGE: Seems as though someone posted about a year ago that a redesign was imminent for Frigidaire appliances. With the new name, it has got to be coming real soon...
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Post# 32737-9/16/2003-00:52 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle - Dont Hate Me Cause I'm Late)
MESSAGE: The ad was for Cascade Complete, and I would swear the dishwasher was a midgrade GE Potscrubber. When first I saw that commercial, I also thought the dishwasher was a KM...
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Post# 32738-9/16/2003-00:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Aerus)
MESSAGE: Hopefully, I will post on sandbox.
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Post# 32739-9/16/2003-00:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (chandelier cycle - Dont Hate Me Cause I'm Late)
MESSAGE: That's what I thought. I thought the dishwasher was a WP/KM also. I wish I could see that again, I bet it can be downloaded somewhere:-)
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Post# 32740-9/16/2003-04:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hand washing dishes (lack of space)
MESSAGE: Looked up the Equator countertop dishwasher and WOW, it has a WINDOW in the door! Cool!
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Post# 32741-9/16/2003-04:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: When I ordered parts for my Sears (D & M) dishwasher, some of the parts came in Frigidaire packaging, but some came in Electrolux packaging. Had to convert the inner door to plastic. Took all day what with various setbacks.
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Post# 32742-9/16/2003-04:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: So who made appliances for the defunct W. T. Grant Company? I know GE made J. C. Penny "Penncrest" washers and dryers, what about their other appliances? Does anybody here OWN either brand?
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Post# 32743-9/16/2003-04:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it
MESSAGE: Greg - Congratulations!! What a great find!! Where did you ever?? Can't wait for the pics. How did those folks never even try it out? That would have been the first thing I did - but then everyone is not us.......
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Post# 32744-9/16/2003-04:55 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Coldspot was the Sears name for refrigerators just as Silvertone was the Sears name for TV and Radio. I thought Kenmore only applied to Ranges, Washers, Dryers and Dishwashers.....
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Post# 32745-9/16/2003-05:07 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: I may be wrong but I think the Bradford appliances were made by WCI. At least the washers and dryers. In the mid to late late 70's I did know someone who had a harvest gold set. They looked kind of like Gibsons or Kelvinators of the era, were incredibly noisy (they were in the kitchen of an apartment) and were constantly breaking down.
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Post# 32746-9/16/2003-05:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Nope, they used it on their small appliances, too. I just inherited my Grandmother's 1960 Kenmore coffee percolator
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Post# 32747-9/16/2003-06:40 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Congratulations Greg
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I am so glad the "washer gods" were smiling on you!! What a find. Do you know any of the history along with this machine, like why was the plug taken off, why they had never used it?? All very interesting facts. I know that you are going to love this machine. Have fun and keep us posted.
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Post# 32748-9/16/2003-06:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (CONGRATS!)
MESSAGE: thanks alot Robert, I still cannot believe I found one of these this age ............ I don't think it is the screw, but rather the metal strips inside that are broken so that the screw itself has nothing to grab on to ........... I will take pics of it ......
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Post# 32749-9/16/2003-07:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Congratulations Greg (thanks everyone(history))
MESSAGE: thanks all for your wishes and congrads, it is always great to share the pleasure and excitement with fellow club members. I don't really have much history except, basement ceiling height is under six feet, so you have to be stooped over the whole time your down there, I don't think the elderly woman who originally lived there wanted to deal with the stairs or the low ceilings so she just never used it and this couple said they never even tried it, but ........ OR ........ I noticed when I picked up that the back panel is taken off, and the agitator column is broken off, the plug is so bent, one of the prongs is missing. I do think they did try it out and that it does not work, but hopefully I am wrong about that. Oh well, I will keep you all posted. best regards, -gregm
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Post# 32750-9/16/2003-08:24 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: My sister's 4-5 year old Kenmore fridge says "COLDSPOT" on the model number plate inside. I guess they can't let go completely.
T.
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Post# 32751-9/16/2003-08:53 ||| andrewinorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: If you go to www.eurotechappliances.com, I believe you will see some of the redesigned appliances coming our way from Elecrolux. They are already on sale here in Orlando. And, in classic KitchenAid style, their dishwashers offer front to rear loading of dinner plates!!!! What was old is new again!! However, I don't believe their machines offer sensors just yet. If Frigidaire is indeed doing a redesign, expect to see rebadged machines just like this. The washers and dryers are pretty neat, too!! ANd not really expensive at all for full stainless steel models...just around $600 I believe for the top of the line dishwasher.
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Post# 32752-9/16/2003-09:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (CONGRATS!)
MESSAGE: Well I have that part too if you need it. First try the machine out and see how it runs, please do put hot water into the pump before you run the machine. What I do is attach a drain hose to the pump and then pour 6 or so cups of hot water down into the drain hose so it coats the pump seal. Keep us posted.
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Post# 32753-9/16/2003-09:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Now what is wrong with that?! You'd better watch it mister, it was only 65 posts ago that you told us about your own Storage Unit and already you're bragging... ;-)
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Post# 32754-9/16/2003-10:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: I think the Grants washers were Franklin. Back when GE and Hotpoint had their own separate appliance lines (not clones) the GE laundry was Hotpoint. Later their products most closely followed the Hotpoint side of GE.
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Post# 32755-9/16/2003-10:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Right, then they stopped using it on smalls for awhile, using simply "Sears" or "Counter Craft" and now they have returned to Kenmore.
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Post# 32756-9/16/2003-10:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire v. Electrolux)
MESSAGE: Oops, in that second sentence I was referring to JCPenney, not Grants.
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Post# 32757-9/16/2003-12:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I remember an ad for Kenmore Roto-Rack dishwashers (circa 1973) that used a similar cake in the machine test in it's advertising. I seem to remember that in addition to the full load of soiled dishes, they tossed in a whole cake as well to prove it's cleaning ability. Those old D&M machines used a ton of water on every fill so it's very possible that the cake and frosting just dissolved in the first water change!
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Post# 32758-9/16/2003-12:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: Penncrest brand was supplied by Hotpoint, a GE company but much different laundry designs than GE had - solid tub washers, etc. In later years after Hotpoint became clones of GE (with filter ring around top of tub, side opening lid for a while, etc.) and then the Penncrest name was ditched and became just JCPenney. I've seen some older Penncrest (Hotpoint made) dryers at sales and thrift stores, but never one of the washers.
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Post# 32759-9/16/2003-12:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: Not me - the only washers I have in the living room are on videotape.
Someone else, who shall remain nameless ;-) has a washer in their living room. It's a nice washer though...
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Post# 32760-9/16/2003-12:54 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: For some reason I thought Eurotech was Asko/Merloni. Are they owned by Electrolux as well?
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Post# 32761-9/16/2003-12:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances
MESSAGE: I've seen a set of Bradfords at a little appliance graveyard about an hour north of the city, they were mid-70's WCI/Franklin. We had Gambles stores in this part of the country and they also used WCI products. I used to love going in there to see the appliances when I was a kid and was horrified when WCI went to the plastic tubs... Never saw one in action until I bought my first condo/townhouse, there was a WCI, plastic tub Kelvinator branded machine. Horrible washer, one of the loudest machines I've ever heard - the worst part was the whine everytime the tub indexed.
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Post# 32762-9/16/2003-14:52 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: Yes, you're absolutely correct...I rechecked my info and the lovely lady at the local distributor said she was not sure if they are indeed owned by Electrolux. They are Asko-Merloni. Not sure if Electrolux plays any part in that partnership.
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Post# 32763-9/16/2003-14:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: Most European dishwashers always had front to rear loading of the dishes. Is there an advantage to this system or to the left to right loading?
Those dishwashers have nothing to do with Electrolux, but that would be better discussed in the Sandbox.
Louis
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Post# 32764-9/16/2003-15:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope )
MESSAGE: I bet your livingroom was about the only room in the house that didn't have washers in it LOL.
One of my neighbours has a huge 50's fridge in her livingroom which inspired me. At the moment I'm on the lead again to a Hoover Keymatic and if I get it it might well be that it ends up in the livingroom.... "Better a nice washer in the livingroom than an ugly one in the guestroom!"
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Post# 32765-9/16/2003-15:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Front to back loading)
MESSAGE: In my opinion yes. The front to back loadking configuration of the bottom rack like that of Miele or the second generation KAs allows true random loading of cookware along with dishes. Providing that the silverware basket is placed as to not divide the rack. The box shaped basket placed in a corner or narrow one positioned across the front. It has taken about forty years to teach the consumer that it is not only not necessary but far more economical to stop pre-rinsing and machine wash cookware. According to a poll on Proctor & Gamble's website only 35% surveyed do so. I do not understand why domestic manufactures design the bottom rack loading configurations they do? Especially since the advent of the upper wash arm.
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Post# 32766-9/16/2003-15:59 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers
MESSAGE: Vell,
I could have swore those things were a Speed Queen built set. I never looked under the lid, because I'm a damn fool. I know from Applianceville that Blackstone made washers for The Hoover Company which I work for, but diddn't know that they made them for Hamilton too. I just simply assumed that because Hamilton and Speed Queen were both from Wisconsin, that they shared common innards. My idiocy.
I'm tellin ya...It looked like a queen. Boy is my face red!!!
Anyway, I don't know if WCI = Worthless Corporate Identities, ever bought out Blackstone, but am I that wrong to think that Hamilton did at one time become a part of WCI. I could almost swear that they were Possibly later in the 70's. As I said before this Hamilton set was probably from 1966-67 when the new HS was built so I'm also assuming here as well.
I was just thinking about what someone said in another post. In that post, someone stated that old dryers seem to be all over the place, when it's almost impossible to find the automatic washer counterpart. It does seem that dryers are still more prevelant than washers in the vintage sense.
This is VERY SAD...please keep the booing and tomato throwing to an dull roar...
I had a later 1950's ABC dryer when I worked at my old job up in Lansing. It was gas and we did not have a hookup to make it work. But If you threw in a wet load of towels, because of the velocity of air that that old thing moved thru the perforated inner drum (looked like the ones in the laundromat) it would almost have a load of towles dry before the cycle was over.. i would set it for 60 min and just let it run with no gas hooked up. It was sooo sweet...and just quiet as a church mouse.
This old lady hung out in my backroom, until I was out of work for three weeks because I threw out my back. While I was gone my jealous ex- ironically my ex-boss, who I can honestly say earned..The bastard of the year award for 2001-02, pitched it out to be hauled to the dump.
When I returned all that remained of the old lady was the bare spot where It sat for like two years. After that, I never left anything that I thought was of value with someone I couldn't trust.
I have never really forgiven myself since that incident. And that's why it was REALLY hard to give my Lady Kenmores to my freinds. But I have known them since god was a boy, and they love them. They have them in like the coolest laundry that I have ever seen. they have checkerboarded the floors in black and pink, painted the walls black with pink polkadots, and the ceiling is white drop with flourecent lighting. Those lights are SELDOM on....they always leave those panel lights on when company comes.
So now I hold onto what I can...yeah old dryers are NOT as cool as old washers, and vacuums, but they do serve a purpose, and they do seem to last MUCH longer than todays machines...or even the washers that matched them...!
Talk Later,
Chad
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Post# 32767-9/16/2003-16:09 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: picked up tonight-cannot believe it (thanks for tip)
MESSAGE: will do that, thanks for the tip ...........
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Post# 32768-9/16/2003-17:17 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: Chat room is open now guys, do feel free to stop by for a chat
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32769-9/16/2003-17:54 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: HBMUK, I'm usually at work when you're in chat, and the chat room will not work here. I will connect in and say hello if I spot you sometime when I'm at home. :-)
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Post# 32770-9/16/2003-19:01 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room
MESSAGE: I usually endevour to open the room about 11 pm uk time its 1 am now, I am off to bed so I will open it again around the same time again so please do pop in and have a chat regards to one and all hbmuk
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Post# 32771-9/16/2003-20:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Frigidaire Redesign)
MESSAGE: I recently saw a Eurotech set at a local appliance store and the plate inside the door claimed to be made by Merloni.... Not very impressive machines - seemed almost flimsy compared to the Miele and Asko that were next to it.
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Post# 32772-9/16/2003-20:49 ||| Speedking (Pennsalvania)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances (Bradford Appliances)
MESSAGE: Bradford Appliances were made by Kelvinator as least as far back from the early seventies my sister owned the set, in coopertone the washer was repaired at least 7 times with 1 new motor and several belts. The dryer on the other hand was also a piece of crap the fan for the air flow was made of plastic and the fins broke which made a very loud noise every time they turned it on. The timer broke and I remember the machine ran all night long almost caused a fire.
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Post# 32773-9/16/2003-21:05 ||| Speedking (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: KENMORE AUTOMATIC 64-65
MESSAGE: MY FAMILY HAD A MACHINE THAT HAD COLOR CODED CYCLES A-F I THINK
IT HAD AN SLIDE WATER LEVEL SMALL AND LARGE AND 1 DIAL DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PICS I AM NOT EVEN SURE OF THE YEAR.
THANKS
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Post# 32774-9/16/2003-22:01 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: W.T. Grant "Bradford" appliances (Bradford Appliances)
MESSAGE: The Bradford washer by W.T.Grant was made by Franklin and the dryer was a Hamilton.From 1967 until 2 years before they went out of business.During those 2 years,Norge made their laundry equipment.Their refrigerators and electric ranges were made by Gibson and there gas ranges were made by Hardwick.Their dishwashers were first made by Westinghouse then after WCI bought Westinghouse after already buying Gibson,Hamilton,Franklin,D&M,and Easy,they were made by D&M.FWI,Gibson And W.T.Grant were the only other brand of appliances available in that same gorgious color all of us love-----------Poppy Red!!!!!
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Post# 32775-9/16/2003-22:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: I see, who made Coldspot fridges? I am guessing Whirlpool or GE?
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Post# 32776-9/16/2003-22:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: Woops, I guess it could very well have been frigidaire?
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Post# 32777-9/16/2003-22:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Is D&M still around? They had such a popular dishwasher design, how did the name slip into the unknown?
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Post# 32778-9/16/2003-22:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: KENMORE AUTOMATIC 64-65
MESSAGE: Did you just register? Because I remember saying the perfect name for applianceville's appliances would be speed king. I guess you liked the name:-)
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Post# 32779-9/16/2003-22:32 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Department store brands)
MESSAGE: I think back then it was usually Whirlpool. Today, Sears will use a number of manufacturers (still including Whirlpool) for their refrigerators.
Montgomery Ward used Frigidaire for fridges, a/cs and dishwashers, but Norge or Westinghouse for washers. So alas, no jet action washers with the "Signature" nameplate on them. :(
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Post# 32780-9/16/2003-22:33 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: D&M was sucked up by our good friends (cough) at Westinghouse (WCI) some time ago. Far as I know, the only one of their designs still used is for the 18" compact dishwasher sold under the Sears and Frigidaire brands.
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Post# 32781-9/16/2003-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Storage Unit Has Room for More (Fallen off that slippery-slope (congrats on the move!))
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, thanks. The only pictures I have right now are me covered in paint. I hope to have the basement work completed by Halloween so I can start moving in the washers after that. I'll post picts when things are getting moved in.
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Post# 32782-9/16/2003-23:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (cake in the dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Crappy, when will WCI get sucked up by someone else for a change. At least the biggies are still around, but now it doesn't matter, most new washers are crap...
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Post# 32783-9/17/2003-04:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (18"
DW)
MESSAGE: I have the "Frigidaire" brand, by WCI 18" DW in my kitchen purchased in '97, i hate to admit that it actually does a good job whereas I am not a WCI fan. When did WCI merge or buy Westinghouse ?? In the 60's ??
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Post# 32784-9/17/2003-06:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: POD Duomatic
MESSAGE: I see that by 1960 the Duomatic was the same width as a regular washer, the earlier ones were wider. Wonder if that cut down capacity? 8 pounds isn't very much.
So what's the history of Philco and Bendix? When did they stop using the Bendix name? Before or after Ford bought them? When did WCI buy and when did they discontinue Philco brand? Gee, I want one of those Duomatics so bad!
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Post# 32785-9/17/2003-06:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Front to back loading)
MESSAGE: Maybe I'm not seeing something, but what difference does it make if the dishes load front to back or side to side? How does thsi make random loading easier?
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Post# 32786-9/17/2003-06:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers (matching washer rarity)
MESSAGE: Washers virtually always wear out first, being much more complex mechanically and having to deal with water.
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Post# 32787-9/17/2003-06:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Coldspot refrigerators)
MESSAGE: Made by Whirlpool
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Post# 32788-9/17/2003-06:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D & M name)
MESSAGE: The D & M name was never known in the first place except by those in the industry. They didn't sell anything under their own name.
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Post# 32789-9/17/2003-06:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: The only 2 manufacturers I see when I'm at Sears now is Whirlpool and GE
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Post# 32790-9/17/2003-06:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: WCI was already "sucked up" by Electrolux some time ago. Doubt if Electrolux will get "sucked up" anytime soon, they are the largest appliance manufacturer in the world (Whirlpool is #2 in the world, #1 in the US)
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Post# 32791-9/17/2003-07:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (18"
dishwasher)
MESSAGE: It's doing a good job because it's still the old D & M design, not the crappy WCI design.
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Post# 32792-9/17/2003-08:00 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: Don't forget Frigidaire....they make certain of their Kenmore Elite ranges and some of their dishwashers. They may even have a fridge or two in their Kenmore line.
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Post# 32793-9/17/2003-08:03 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: Let's hope that means positive changes for some classic lines, like Frigidaire. Electrolux appliances in other countries do not have the poor reputation for quality that Frigidaire has here.
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Post# 32794-9/17/2003-08:42 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: look what I have found
MESSAGE: Look what I have found which unimatic did not tell us about shame on you
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/WCI-58.htm
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Post# 32795-9/17/2003-08:48 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Spin off
MESSAGE: Watch the sudsy spin off video, that one is classic appliances porno woooooooof hbmuk
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/WCI-58.htm
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Post# 32796-9/17/2003-09:17 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Firigidaire Washer Video
MESSAGE: Excellent video! It makes me pine for a vintage Frigi more than ever. Thanks for finding it BHM!
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Post# 32797-9/17/2003-10:05 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (18)
MESSAGE: I had one of those for awhile in the 80s and I thought it did a great job too. I'm not sure where "WCI" came from to begin with or how long ago but they sucked up Westinghouse's home appliance division about 1974.
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Post# 32798-9/17/2003-10:46 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Spin off (frigidaire)
MESSAGE: hi there...i have frigidaire with solid tub but
3 ring agitator replaced with gray jetcone.
yes, it really makes heavy layer of suds that leaves
residue on the clothes. i use tide "he" which is
high efficiency with low suds to prevent residue.
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Post# 32799-9/17/2003-12:18 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: And what about Maytag??? I believe that Maytag makes an "Elite" Side by Side for Sears also. But generally speaking, usually Whirlpool and GE make most of the refrigerators for Sears. Frigidaire and Maytag do make a couple of the Kenmore Elite models however.
--Charles--
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Post# 32800-9/17/2003-15:09 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18"
DW)
MESSAGE: In 1976 fall issue of Popular Mechanic's magazine, Whats New for the Home section was the introduction of the 18" DW by Sears. Of course I rushed out and bout the mobile model. It had the dial for normal/short wash and dry heat off switch. Ahead of its' time with the two direct feed wash arms making the capacity considerable. I recall the performance was good. I replaced it all too soon for a full size DW that accommodated cookware better.
Then in 1980 I moved and again purchased another 18" DW. White-Westinghouse was the brand name and it had numerous cycles and options. Gone was the upper direct feed wash arm. That damn center tower spray tube had replaced it. The silverware basket was small and elevated in the center/back of the bottom rack. Plates only to be loaded on either side of it. The front of the bottom rack was uniterrupted space for small bowls/pots.
I recently noticed that that design has been changed. The silverware basket is much larger and the bottom rack is now completely divided by that damn spray tube. The bottom rack capacity is almost useless.
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Post# 32801-9/17/2003-15:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: Amana, now a Maytag company, makes the bottom freezer models. Kenmore has always been a good value for the dollar, but do your research before you buy - know the appliance maker, it may not be the same "Coldspot" as in days before...
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Post# 32802-9/17/2003-15:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18)
MESSAGE: Oh, that's a shame. Spray towers are so obtrusive even in full size machines. I bought my Sears model about 1985 and it had the two separate spray arms. It was a great little compact machine for our 2 person roommate household at that time, and very easy to maneuver due to the smaller size. Sears still had the old DM style full size models then too with separate spray arms, but the square top rack. A friend of mine had one of the last of those and that was a good machine for the money too.
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Post# 32803-9/17/2003-15:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18)
MESSAGE: Oh, that's a shame. Spray towers are so obtrusive even in full size machines. I bought my Sears model about 1985 and it had the two separate spray arms. It was a great little compact machine for our 2 person roommate household at that time, and very easy to maneuver due to the smaller size. Sears still had the old DM style full size models then too with separate spray arms, but the square top rack. A friend of mine had one of the last of those and that was a good machine for the money too.
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Post# 32804-9/17/2003-16:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I think that was posted along time ago, I already downloaded that months ago. I am almost positive .......... hmmmm?
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Post# 32805-9/17/2003-16:38 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators (Gansky1..... In Reference To Sears Refrigerators))
MESSAGE: "Gansky1":
Oh yeah.......... no doubt. Several people are making refrigerators for Sears now. Whirlpool is still making them. But so is other people like GE, Frigidaire, and like you said, Maytag/Amana. Back in the old days when they were named "Coldspot", I think that only either Whirlpool or GE made their refrigerators then. Kenmore definitely represents good value for your dollar. I have a 19 year old Kenmore right now that is still kicking. But if I need a new one now, I will pick out a model that I am interested in, and then do a through examination and research on that model before I part with my hard earned green. I don't know how good today's Kenmores really are. But I do know that the "Coldspots" from yesteryear were very good. They definitely lasted forever, that's for sure.
--Charles--
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Post# 32806-9/17/2003-16:55 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Oh I am sorry, I didnt see your original message. I thought it would be good for the guys to see it, if no one has already seen it. Dont for get I have only been a member here for a very short time, I am not prefect
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Post# 32807-9/17/2003-17:04 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Thanks for telling us about this hairybigmanuk. As a recent member I was not aware of this either. I thought it was strange that there were no Frigidaire washer videos in the museum
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Post# 32808-9/17/2003-17:07 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: thanks
MESSAGE: you so welcome
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Post# 32809-9/17/2003-17:11 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Chat room open now guys
MESSAGE: I am in the chat room now, please do come in for a chat. it should be 3.09 pm your local time now, its 11.09 pm uk time
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 32810-9/17/2003-17:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: thanks
MESSAGE: HBMUK, I remember seeing those too but not sure I remember where I found them, so I'm glad you did and posted a link so everyone could see them either again or for the first time.
I would encourage all the newer members to click around all the various areas of the site; there is all sorts of wonderful pictures, sounds and what have you to be found!
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Post# 32811-9/17/2003-18:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I agree, even though we were told about it before, new members might not realize that, I am glad you mentioned it "hbmanuk"
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Post# 32812-9/17/2003-18:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (Vintage 18(sears))
MESSAGE: I forgot about the ones that Sears had, wow, I would LOVE one of those ........... with two separate wash arms, yes I do remember those now ............., I too am not fond (don't hate) but am not fond of the tower in the middle ..........
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Post# 32813-9/17/2003-18:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Maytag date??
MESSAGE: Maytag washer A207, year ?? late sixties ??
found a set, matching washer and dryer, mint and working
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Post# 32814-9/17/2003-18:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: refrigerant question ?
MESSAGE: friend is giving me a near mint condition sixties Frigidaire GM refrigerator, compressor runs, but he says he leaves it off because its not getting cold and needs to be recharged, it (the supposed leak) was "welded" once before, he says I need to recharge it again, is it worth taking ?? Can the leak be fixed ?? What do you guys think ?? Or is it going to be a hasssle and not worth it ?? ....... thanks in advance for feedback
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Post# 32815-9/17/2003-18:34 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag date??
MESSAGE: I think the A207 came out around 1972. It was a 2-speed, standard capacity tub with a perm press cycle. Has the transmission that washed at 63 opm on regular, 42 opm on gentle. It was a revision of the A206 of the famous '06 line of Washpower automatics. What kinda dryer you got with that-time dry, auto dry or electronic control?
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Post# 32816-9/17/2003-18:37 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ?
MESSAGE: Unless you can do it yourself, don't get stuck with his big heavy old problem. Most service tech nowdays don't wanna mess with this and if they do they will charge you the sun, moon and stars.
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Post# 32817-9/17/2003-18:38 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: Here is a scan of an ad for a Wizard washer. I remember these Franklin washers from when I was a kid. Never saw one in action....but made a bee line to them when my dad took me to Western Auto.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/vwp?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.dnm=Wizard+-+sold+by+Western+Auto.JPG&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/lst%3f%26.dir=/Vintage%2bAds%2b%2526%2bother%2bstuff%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 32818-9/17/2003-19:19 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (vintage 18"
DW)
MESSAGE: In 1979 this 18" DW with 2 direct feed wash arms identical in construction and 6 fill cycle to that of the Sears was also sold under the brand name Admiral. Except for different color racks, cosmetic changes to the control dial and a door trim kit that allowed the color choices of black or white. A friend of mine had his for 21 years with only one repair. Only after the upper wash arm stopped rotating, the plastic pipe that feed and supported the upper wash arm gave out, and the part was no longer available. Did he replace it. He was not pleased with new model and the center tower spray tube.
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Post# 32819-9/17/2003-20:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: more pics
MESSAGE: ok, here are the latest pics of finds within the last month, I am probably going to start selling off some stuff, because I am pretty much out of room. I just took pics of the '53 "Uni" find yesterday, so those pics are NOT posted yet .......... hope you like/enjoy ........
best regards -gregm
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst?.dir=/latest+...+...&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 32820-9/17/2003-20:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: An aunt of mine in Minnesota had one of these Franklin machines with the filter on the agitator, I didn't get to see it running but heard it from the top of the stairs - very loud machine, I'll bet it was cool to watch - most solid tub washers are!
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Post# 32821-9/17/2003-20:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag date?? (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks for the info, I need to take a closer look at the dryer timer and model # ....... it was one of the last with the metal instead of plastic console backing with a light blue on the bottom half of the control console .........
dark grey tub in washer with blue agitator .........
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Post# 32822-9/17/2003-20:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (ok, but)
MESSAGE: ok, thanks, but its to bad, the frig is mint, but if he wants to get rid of it, maybe he will have to fix it himself, or maybe someone else is willing to spend the money ......... I have enough stuff to fix (hahaha)
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Post# 32823-9/17/2003-20:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: how much do you think it would cost ??
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Post# 32824-9/17/2003-20:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Great pics, you must be getting very full by now. Is your mom's basement full too? That's the problem with all this fun stuff - it's all so BIG!
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Post# 32825-9/17/2003-20:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Great finds/pictures, as always! You have done so well with finds and I am so happy for that. Do you not love those Proctor Silex lighted percolators? I have several of them and sometimes give them as gifts. They are such fun.
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Post# 32826-9/17/2003-20:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers (matching washer rarity)
MESSAGE: Very true, we are on washer #3 whereas we are on dryer #2. And fixing a washer can get downright expensive. But the most expensive repair on a dryer is usually the motor or timer.
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Post# 32827-9/17/2003-20:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D & M name)
MESSAGE: I guess so. But their design did slip away:-(
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Post# 32828-9/17/2003-20:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: Oh ya, I should have known since Frigidaire (used to be owned by WCI) is now owned by Electrolux, duh:-)
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Post# 32829-9/17/2003-20:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators)
MESSAGE: As well as smaller capactiy front load washers. Maybe this should be brought over to the sandbox?
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Post# 32830-9/17/2003-20:35 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (more pics )
MESSAGE: Greg,
Real great pics
Best of luck
Peter
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Post# 32831-9/17/2003-20:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: yea, mom's basement is pretty full, two items are leaving soon, so that opens up two more slots, hehehe and sis' basement is full up too ......... I have broken down a couple 1/18's for parts just to give me room . ..........
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Post# 32832-9/17/2003-20:42 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: I LOVE those glass PS coffee pots !!!!, we had one when I was a kid and mom broke the glass and threw it out ........ :(
I hope to grab another one of ebay one of these days :)
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Post# 32833-9/17/2003-20:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (more pics (thnx))
MESSAGE: THANKS PETER :)
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Post# 32834-9/17/2003-20:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: Yes I only perk my coffee to this day
I have a 40 year old corning ware electric that I use when I have company
It makes the best coffee
Peter
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Post# 32835-9/17/2003-20:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Not a problem, i never knew about it so thanks HBMUK. And thanks Unimatic for those awesome videos! That layer of suds is MASSIVE. And it is so awesome to see it throw them all away. Half of them fly onto the top:-)
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Post# 32836-9/17/2003-22:48 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Thanks Greg!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing all the neat machines you have been so lucky to find. Your collection is sure growing. That 73 GE dishwasher looks really nice. I too love those glass coffee makers with the lights in the bottom. My mom had one but of course I didn't keep it. I just thought at that time "no one collects stuff like this" now get over it!! How I wish I could turn back the clock.
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Post# 32837-9/17/2003-22:56 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: Well, perhaps I was too quick to rain on your parade. I guess I was answering your question based on the hard and fast realities of the scabby underside of the appliance industry.The techs that work where I do don't mess with sealed system repairs, excepct when the factory f%*$s up and we have to replace a compressor or evaporator under warranty. For a while there, the gov't regs regarding refrigerant (Freon)really discouraged these types of repairs. I don't think anyone is really enforcing these regs much anymore, but in the meantime, most techs got out of the habit of attempting sealed system repairs. And the other ugly truth is that if we fixed everything, we wouldn't sell as many new refers. (Please refer to your copy of Vance Packards "The Wastemakers") How much? Well, call around and first locate some one who is willing to do it. Be patient. Not every service dept will take the time to understand the preservation of the classic lovelies.
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Post# 32838-9/17/2003-23:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: First, you have to have a liscense to buy and handle freon. Then you have go through the whole process of drying, removing air etc. If you got someone else to do it, you would pay an absolutely ridiculus price (well not ridiculus for the amount of work, but for an old fridge, even if it is a classic.) I am not exactly sure how much, but a sealed system repair on a modern fridge goes for something like twice as much as a new fridge of similar size, features etc. So for a classic fridge, probably 3-4 times as much as a new fridge. So your looking at 1500-2000 dollars. That is just a guess on my part.
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Post# 32839-9/17/2003-23:29 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (1960 Kenny Dryer)
MESSAGE: Nice to finally see the '60 KM. It looks nothing like I thought it would.
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Post# 32840-9/17/2003-23:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Washers and Dryers in school (Western Auto washers)
MESSAGE: I remember going to WA back in the 70s. I usually snuck around and found the Wizard appliances. What a cool name for an appliance brand. Wizard is also the name of my cat, the onery demon possessed thing. My aunt had a Wizard washer in the country at my old grandmother's house. It sat on the porch and I remember it agitating. It used to go "clink-clank-clink-clank-clink-clank" in rhythm with the agitator. I'm not sure if something was wrong or that's how it sounds.
It would've been funny is Western Auto distributed Kelvinator made washers and advertised it as a Wizard Washer featuring the MAGIC Minute (wizard... magic.... I know, I read too much Harry Potter).
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Post# 32841-9/17/2003-23:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton/Blackstone Washers (matching washer rarity)
MESSAGE: Yup. My mom had the same dryer from the 60s until about 2001 but went through 3 washers (Kenmore 800, 1983 Whirlpool, 1991 Maytag (current)). My dryer is a 22 year old GE still going strong.
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Post# 32842-9/18/2003-00:01 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Comments:
1. That is one loud timer you can hear ticking away during quiet phases.
2. Knowing little to nothing about Unimatic, I have to wonder if the starting to spin then agitating, and the starting to agitate, and the agitate while braking at the end of spin is part of the Unimatic system (???)
3. Took me by surprise no pause between agitate and spin.
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Post# 32843-9/18/2003-00:03 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: $1500 to $2000? Is that Canadian or US dollars? When my Kenmore fridge went bonkers and I bought a new KA, but my dad convinced Sears to cover the KNOWN PROBLEM under warrranty even though it was about 6 months past warranty, I vaguely recall the service invoice included when we picked it up indicated a value around $400, maybe a bit more -- and that included both a compressor and evaporator plus the labor, refrigerant and other related parts and supplies. This was more than five years ago, and I'm sure repairs costs have increased, but I'd be surprised if it was by that much. (I sold the Kenmore and it's still running far as I know.)
If you really want to have it repaired and you can't find an appliance repair shop that will touch the job, maybe try a commercial refrigeration repair service, or even an air conditioning service.
Or maybe see if Jeff Lefever can offer some advice. I recall he's into refrigeration. (Wonder what happened with that heat pump dryer project he was planning?)
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Post# 32844-9/18/2003-00:07 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: 2. Yes, that is a characteristic of the unimatic mechanism. Robert has explained how it works and why it does that, but I can't cite the details properly.
3. IIRC, there actually is an instant of pause while the spin solenoid engages, then the motor restarts. The motor draws very high current when spin starts, and unimatics were known for blowing weak fuses.
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Post# 32845-9/18/2003-00:37 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: "POD" Westinghouse Set, with Pearl Baily:
MESSAGE: Hi! Club Friend's, how is everyone doing? I wanted to comment about the "POD" for Thursday, Sept 18th. I always liked that particular Model Style, as with several other's of both Control Panel's and with Front Control's. I have always thought that Pearl Bailey was one of the greatest selected, other than Lucy, Ricky, Ethel and Fred Advertising the Westinghouse Product's. I've also enjoyed Betty Furness and her Advertisement's as well.
When I was first opening the "POD's" Photo a while ago, until I scrolled down to see the whole Cabinet area, I had thought that the Washer was going to have the Side-Opening Door, instead of the Drop-Down Door, with the "Weigh-To-Save" Scale.
I have a Gibson Front-Load Stack Washer, that has the
"Weigh-To-Save" Drop-Down Door and a White-Westinghouse Stack Gas Dryer, both in Almond Color, that at this time for a little while longer are being stored in my Garage, until I get the Garage cleaned out and able to start trading around my Collection and get them operating again, I certainly can't wait until that day arrives.
Peace, Steve
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Post# 32846-9/18/2003-00:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing. When the washer brakes, you can here the loud tick, then the pulsator starts going for some reason? Then once it is nearly stopped, it makes a creak and the basket goes the other way somehow. In any case, all the sounds are so neat, I wouldn't have it any other way:-) One other thing I noticed, when in spin, the pulsator would be at the highest position until the basket got to full speed, at full speed, the pulsator kind of "fell" down to the lowest position. That was pretty interesting too. Another thing, the suspension is SOLID. The basket barely even goes off center even 1/2 an inch when it is at full speed (it does wobble a tiny bit when braking and when accelerating.) They just don't make 'em like that anymore:-( I didn't hear the timer since I skipped over the quiet parts so I could watch the fun stuff:-)
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Post# 32847-9/18/2003-00:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: I was thinking Canadian. Besides it was a wild guess. For a fridge that old, if you ever needed a compressor or other part, either it would be expensive, or you would have to pull it from another one of the same fridge (and what's the odds of finding the same fridge from that time?) Although the repair can be done, I wouldn't just because of the expense. Lets say for that fridge, it would cost 700 US dollars (because of age and no longer available parts etc.) But it would be awesome if a classic appliance guru could do it for a small price.
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Post# 32848-9/18/2003-00:51 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Does the system have any kind of clutch or any other slipping mechanism to aid in bringing the basket up to speed without the motor being almost at stall for 5 seconds? Or is it all on the motor to accelerate the basket? Does anyone have a picture of inside one of these designs? I would love to see how they do what they do:-)
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Post# 32849-9/18/2003-01:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: As I recall, there's no clutch. It's direct-drive via the gears in the tranny, except during spin everything pretty much locks together. The entire load is on the motor.
Robert (and I believe Greg/Gansky1 also) has posted pictures of a unimatic tranny repair, and Robert also did a video showing how the pulsation mechanism works. I don't recall where all this spiffy material is located, but I imagine somebody will come along shortly and post a link.
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Post# 32850-9/18/2003-01:39 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Hi! gadgetmad and other's, I had some Neighbor's in the Early/Mid-60s that had a 1962 or 1963 Matched Frigidaire Custom Imperial Washer and Dryer, that I believe had to be similar to the one you are talking about, with the quick, short distance Spin attempt, before the Pulsation Started. It did it before the Wash and the Rinse Cycles. It also had what I thought a natural noisey Timer Motor. We had another Neighbor who had a 1962 or 1963 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Matched Washer and Dryer and their Washer had the Noisey Timer Motor, but I don't remember their Washer having the Pre-Spin attempt, before starting the Wash or Rinse Pulsation. That makes me think that one of them was a little older Model than the other between the 2-Neighbor's Machine's. I always thought that the Pre-Spin before the Pulsation was a neat special feature of those particular Model's of the Frigidaire Custom Imperial Washer's of that year, either older or newer Model's.
Peace, Steve
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Post# 32851-9/18/2003-01:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Those motors must have been MASSIVE. How did they last so long by starting with a full tub of water and clothes with nothing to slip?!
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Post# 32852-9/18/2003-01:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: About the timer, that sounds almost identical to our maytag dishwasher timer. It makes that constant ticking too. And just before another contact closes, the ticking gets louder for a second. It is nothing like Maytag washer timers. I have watched the one at work. It is cool too. I would watch it and it makes almost no noises, and then it clicks forward A LOT with a very loud CLICK. But it always sounds like more than one click, it is a weird sound. Our belt drive kenmore had quite a quiet timer, the clicks were noticable, but nothing like that Maytag washer timer. I was way too young (about a week old) when we had our GE washer so for obvious reasons I don't know how those sound. Although, I was at my aunt's trying to make her filter flo stop clunking during agitate and I don't remember any different noises. (that may have been because the tranny was making god awful hammering noises but the noises were not in beat to the agitator stroke. And the noises stopped after about 30 seconds to a minute and never came back until after a spin no matter how many times you stopped the motor.)
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Post# 32853-9/18/2003-04:35 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: refer to
MESSAGE: I refer unimatic the a site member, I found the link at a site called garden forum. he was the one that posted the link there for the frigi vids regards to all hbmuk
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Post# 32854-9/18/2003-05:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics
MESSAGE: Now is a good time to call in favors from friends - if they have basements, that is........
Great pics - looking forward to the pics of the '53 Unimatic.
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Post# 32855-9/18/2003-05:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: I have been using those clear glass Pyrex pots for years. Since they are no longer made, I try to grab one whenever I seee it at estate sales. Usually I can find them for a few dollars. In a recent issue of New York Magazine devoted to design, there were many pics of "retro rooms" with small appliances of the period. Featured was a Pyrex pot sold at a NYC store for $50.00. Can you imagine? They do make excellent coffee, though.
Must confess though for workdays when I had to be up at 5:00, I used an auto drip pot with preset time so coffee would be ready when I stumbled downstairs in the dark. But all other times, I loved to "put the pot on". The sound of the perking and the smell cannot be matched. And I don't care what all those fancy food people say, nothing tastes like perked coffee when done properly....
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Post# 32856-9/18/2003-07:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: the guy who is giving me the frig, had it done before "under the table" for a hundred bucks, maybe he will go back to him
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Post# 32857-9/18/2003-07:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepot)
MESSAGE: couldn't have said it better :)
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Post# 32858-9/18/2003-07:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears suppliers)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I should have made it clear I was referring only to the refrigerators. Didn't know about some of the dishwashers being supplied by Frigidaire, thought they were only split between Whirlpool and GE, with GE supplying the "cheapie" line
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Post# 32859-9/18/2003-07:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (sucking up WCI)
MESSAGE: If there were going to be any changes, they should have happened by now. Electrolux has owned WCI for a LONG time already.
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Post# 32860-9/18/2003-07:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D&M design)
MESSAGE: I've seen D& M manufactured dishwashers for other brands where there was a full size wash arm on the TOP of the tub washing down, like the older Maytag machines, but the glasses were placed in the top rack and washed from below by the telescoping center spray. Never could see the sense in this design. The brand I've seen it in was Gaffers & Sattler.
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Post# 32861-9/18/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (broken Proctor Slex coffeepot)
MESSAGE: the irony that your Mom threw the coffepot out is that they were modually DESIGNED so they could easily be fixed. In fact, their motto was "Lifetime" and the glass could've been easily replaced.
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Post# 32862-9/18/2003-08:12 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: All GE timers I've ever seen did not advance to individual increment positions. They moved slowly and constantly like a dryer timer. The only time a clicking was heard was when the timer would approach the end of a cycle (wash to pause to spin).
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Post# 32863-9/18/2003-08:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: Todays POD
MESSAGE: Love the Westys with Pearl Bailey. I remember her t.v. commericals for Westinghouse quite well. She was their spokesperson for quite awhile as I recall.
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Post# 32864-9/18/2003-08:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepots)
MESSAGE: I'll say one more thing, then I'll shut up talking about small appliances
Dream cooffemaker collection
Sunbeam metal electric vacuum coffeemaker(pending)
any brand, electric glass vacuum coffemaker (pending)
Proctor-Silex lighted glass percolator (pending)
Pyrex glass stovetop percolator (already acquired)
Corningware electric percolator, early version with the large glass insert in lid (already acquired)
normal electric stainless steel metal percolator (just inherited 1960 Kenmore from Grandmother)
When this collection is complete, I'll be happy
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Post# 32865-9/18/2003-10:21 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: There's your in!!!! May this fridge serve you long and well!!
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Post# 32866-9/18/2003-10:35 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Pearl Bailey and Westys)
MESSAGE: I remember this ad. The ad script makes some clever comment about 'Pearl don't like spending big money on dirty clothes' Her laundry room here is the most fabulous thing ever!!! like doing laundry at Versailles or something. I love her copper thing above that she scoops the detergent (probably low-sudsing Dash for automatics) out of. Look at all the shiny buttons and knobs and dispensers. And it shows the washer running!!! I was jonesing for some good washer action the other day so I opened the door of the Big-Name windowless front loader and cranked the drum with clothes and water by hand. This was before HBMUK got me hooked on the Uni-matic video.(What else is hidden on this web site? I thought I looked at everything!) Washer porn indeed!!!!
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Post# 32867-9/18/2003-10:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (broken Proctor Slex coffeepot-mighty short lifetime if you ask me!)
MESSAGE: Well, Greg and I are about the same age, and those pots were made in our "lifetime" but the "Lifelong" replacement parts are long gone, and Greg and I are still here and still pretty young, and even our moms are still here...so much for *that* theory, LOL, not that Proctor Silex is in any way alone in this sad conspiracy.
Happily, there are still plenty to be had. You find a lot of them even in the box never used. I think women would get them and think "oh its fragile, I'll have to save it for company" then save it and soon forget it's there. Even if you find a not so nice one, you can still use the parts from it, so in that respect it is nice compared to other units.
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Post# 32868-9/18/2003-10:41 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: They made up for lack of timer sound with the spin brake. ;-)
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Post# 32869-9/18/2003-10:44 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepots)
MESSAGE: Good for you! I have much the same units, though I have several stainless steel ones of different brands and types. I've never seen the insert you speak of in Corning Ware though I do enjoy my Corningware Electric percolator. I need to find that little plastic thingy it's supposed to sit on, I don't have that. I also have the Corning electric skillet, which is actually a separate heating base with one of their skillets atop, which you could easily interchange.
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Post# 32870-9/18/2003-10:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD
MESSAGE: I always enjoyed those too, and was very happy to see this picture, which I remember very well! I thought she was so enthusiastic and very entertaining in the commercials.
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Post# 32871-9/18/2003-10:56 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: WCI bashing and hope for the future
MESSAGE: Certainly there is not much love for WCI/Frigidaire Corp/Electrolux among classic appliance fans. The original WCI buyout decimated many grand old washer names. The hope for the future is that the new front load machines from this company have been decent machines since they came out in the mid 90's. I could say more but not here....
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Post# 32872-9/18/2003-10:59 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepots)
MESSAGE: No you won't!!! You'll just start collecting something else!
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Post# 32873-9/18/2003-11:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD
MESSAGE: This was my favorite Westy commercial. As far as I'm concerned, Lucy, Ethyl, Ricky, and Fred just couldn't hold a candle to the class Perl brought to the commercials. I can still hear her sayin' honey & hardlin'. I only remember her donig laundry commercials. Did she do other Westy appliance ads too?
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Post# 32874-9/18/2003-11:25 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Did Westie's "
innards"
change much?)
MESSAGE: Pearl was a great pitchwoman- one just innately trusted her and appreciated her humor. I am curious though- did the Westie frontloaders pumps, motors, etc. change much over the years? Obviously, sometime in the 60's, they went from the famous slant front to a vertical front. It seems like the slanty would've been easier to load- it was probably abandoned to make the washer look more modern. I've heard the these were not the greatest cleaners; how dependable were they? My dad always seemed to think that they were less dependable than toploaders- more parts to break, etc. Any comments?
Duane
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Post# 32875-9/18/2003-11:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (broken Proctor Slex coffeepot)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately my stay at home mom always threw something out and just bought new, if there was a problem. Thats what worked for her and I am glad to say does not work for me.
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Post# 32876-9/18/2003-11:51 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (And now a word from our sponsor....Westinghouse!!! POD)
MESSAGE: 1964- Westinghouse changed the innards of their washers for the last time. The 1959-1963 models had the same basic innards as the 1964-1972 models but with a slanted chute attached to the front of the drum that allowed the cabinet to remain slanted. Only the 1940-1958 models had the complete slant tub and mechanism therin.
My regular machine that I use everyday look just like these but have no rear backsplash. All my controls are on the front of the machine. I would kill for a set like the ones that the Great Miss Bailey proudly presents for us, but I have never seen one except here. I believe that someone has this model.
It was in these last years that Westinghouse kinda slowed to a halt with any new innovation of a sort for their Laundry appliances. The drop down door, the detergent and bleach dispensers were not new (introduced in the 50's)and the squared off backsplash with pushbutton/dial arrangement started with the 1964 models. In fact if you look at the 1964 line you can see all but the "Weigh To Save Door" that you see in the POD.
I had a Pearl Bailey advertisement from 1970 showing off a coppertone set, and I unfortunatly lost it. But I'm sure If I started looking I will find it again. I have to disagree about one thing with some of you...
Betty Furness was and always will be the matriarch of the Westinghouse Appliance advertisements. She is the very first woman who was ALLOWED to sell in the grand scale that she was able to. Think about it...in her day women...besides Lucielle Ball and a FEW others were not tapped as much as men to sell electrical things.
Thankfully Westinghouse found Pearl. After they amicably allowed Betty Furness out of her contract, who else did their adverts?
Anyone care to add to this? Or are we still talking about dishwashers?
Talk Later,
Chad
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Post# 32877-9/18/2003-12:35 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Early 60's models and after did indeed have very loud spin brakes. But the 50's models had no spin brake at all. It took 2 or 3 minutes for my old 59 filterflo to coast to a stop. Likewise with Hotpoints from that era.
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Post# 32878-9/18/2003-13:20 ||| Maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I was wondering if anyone else has had the same experience that I've had with the newer model KM and KA dishwashers. About three years ago I bought a new Kenmore Elite tall tub dishwasher. It was just like the KA in every way except the price (it was $100 or so less than the KA). I was so excited to have such a nice dishwasher. Until I used it a few times. It has the poorest spray to the top rack! If you place a glass taller than four inches in any of the four corners, it comes out with little bits of ground up food crap all on the inside. It appears that the upper wash arm is too short to get into the corners. Also, on the inside of the door on the upper right side, there is ALWAYS small bits of food that remain there. And sometimes, even if the dishwasher is not full there is detergent still in the cup. It is most disappointing to pay so much for a machine and get such poor performance.
Has anyone else had these problems?
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Post# 32879-9/18/2003-14:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember that from watching Robert's 1958 model. That was the first time I learned that there were solid tub GE's, the no spin brake and the different agitation. It also has a "suds kill" increment after the main wash drain. Although I like later GE Filter Flo's as well, I actually like this design better.
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Post# 32880-9/18/2003-15:10 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: Scott, what is a 'suds-kill increment' in relation to old GE's? Sounds like the name of a punk band: Suds-Kill Increment!! Again, let me state I'm impressed with all the Minnesotans posting at this site. MN Rools!
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Post# 32881-9/18/2003-15:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: 1966 Whirlpool Washer for sale
MESSAGE: I am selling this washer on ebay, FYI .....
I will probably sell the '73 Mobile Maid and the '63 Whirlpool Dryer as well ............
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347899618
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Post# 32882-9/18/2003-15:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: 1961 Admiral elec range for sale
MESSAGE: !
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347899618
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Post# 32883-9/18/2003-15:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post
MESSAGE: here is the correct link for the washer for sale
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347894627
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Post# 32884-9/18/2003-16:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: I don't really remember for certain, it stands out in my mind because it was unusual...I *think* if I remember it lets the suds settle down to prevent a suds lock, but I'm sure someone will know for sure.
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Post# 32885-9/18/2003-16:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: refrigerant question ? (how much ??)
MESSAGE: That could work, but how long ago was the "under the table" job done? I think the laws are stricter now but if you can do it for 100 dollars, go for it!
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Post# 32886-9/18/2003-16:11 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D&M design)
MESSAGE: That doesn't make sense to me either, spraying glasses from the top? What's the point?
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Post# 32887-9/18/2003-16:12 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post
MESSAGE: Very nice sale items. That range will be a treat for someone who wants a vintage range but does not have room for a 40" unit. And ya gotta love those waterfall lint filters, esp. with the see through cap.
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Post# 32888-9/18/2003-16:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Robert told us)
MESSAGE: I see. But most timers do click off time in increments right?
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Post# 32889-9/18/2003-16:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Thanks to the tiny motors and smaller fills:-(
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Post# 32890-9/18/2003-16:35 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT: Videos of the Whirlpool Imperial 70 & 80
MESSAGE: When will you be able to do some videos of these WP washers. I want to see the Whirlpool Imperial 70 in action.
Chris
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Post# 32891-9/18/2003-16:45 ||| maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I really, REALLY wish I still had the 1985 GE Potscrubber that the KM replaced. I really hated that bottom rack with the power-tower(like so many other people here), but the cleaning power was so much better. But I just HAD to have a shiny new one. Classics are so much better than the "throw-away" crap we have to chose from today.
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Post# 32892-9/18/2003-16:55 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I made our Maytag modern again by flipping the panels on the door and access panel. They have two colored sides. The side they were on for 14 1/2 years was what they now call biscuit (off-white.) it really made it look 80s. But the other side had brand new, shiny black on it so I flipped it and now it looks like a modern dishwasher. It also matches our black wall oven and black microwave, but our fridge and cook top are both biscuit/off-white.
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Post# 32893-9/18/2003-17:00 ||| maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: If only we could magically "flip" the inner workings and make the newer stuff work like the older stuff. My mother had a Kenmore from the 80's that had the flip over color panels. I thought it was a great itea!
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Post# 32894-9/18/2003-17:03 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I also have a kenmore elite tt d/w. Dirty glasses at the corners of the upper rack have happened to me too. There is a newer upper wash arm available that has the nozzle of the curve of the arm at a better angle to hit the corners better. I can get you the part # if you like. All in all I have to say I like the kenmore tall tub. I've never owned a classic kitchenaid, but being in the repair business, I still see them now and then. For the amount of water it uses, and the way I load dishes with food still on them(pots and pans too) I think it does a pretty good job. I've NEVER had pots and pans come out so clean as with this d/w. I also prefer the stainless steel tub- seems to hold the heat better. Oops, i guess I should be in the sandbox for this.
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Post# 32895-9/18/2003-17:06 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: ReCoating Vintage Dishwasher racks ?
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever found a place that will recoat dishwasher racks???? Any info would be greatly appreciated . Michael
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Post# 32896-9/18/2003-17:10 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post (awsome washer )
MESSAGE: gees does that bring back memories!!!!!!!!!!
funny i showed this to my mom cause thats what we had
this is the machine she used to wash our toys in when we had a bad cold or the flu guess she thought she was helping to keep the germs down in the house by toys i mean like wooden blocks and toy match box cars and link n logs
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Post# 32897-9/18/2003-17:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Aside from smaller motors and less water, dishwasher designs haven't changed ALL that much. Back in the 70s, most were direct drive with the motor under the pump or to the side of it. Now, still most have the motor (usually smaller now.) under or to the side of the pump. Yet they just don't last as long and they don't clean as well. I think dishwashers in the 80s cleaned the best, they still had high water fills, and the makers had all the design kinks worked out.
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Post# 32898-9/18/2003-17:38 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Interesting DW
MESSAGE: Seems to be a lot of these showing up all of a sudden.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2347867436&category=46124
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Post# 32899-9/18/2003-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Dishwasher with a Chandelier Cycle (D&M design)
MESSAGE: There was a time where D&M experimented with this different wash and racking arrangement. Brands that had this were Kenmore, G&S, Caloric, Tappan (may have been more but those I actually saw). Nice in that the top rack allowed for very tall items. The bottom rack had lots of wasted space because only about 4-5 plates on either side, then a perpendicular row for saucer/fingertip bowl size stuff and in the middle the tower hole. Consumer's Report maligned this design because it was so difficult to load and had lmiited capacity. It only lasted for a couple of years on the market and D&M went back to their original design. It was from the early 1980s --- 1981-1984 or so.
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Post# 32900-9/18/2003-17:41 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Hobart DW
MESSAGE: Wasn't someone looking for one of these?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2559119412&category=25379
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Post# 32901-9/18/2003-17:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Also the initial upper wash arm was not long enough to reach the corners. A redesigned one was issued that was a bit longer and had end spray holes better directed. KA & Kenmore offered the retrofit.
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Post# 32902-9/18/2003-17:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Well that's one reason why I STILL have my 1987 GE GSD1200 PotScrubber.
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Post# 32903-9/18/2003-17:52 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: KA portable (hobart?)
MESSAGE: Nice looking and cheap.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2346800684&category=46124
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Post# 32904-9/18/2003-18:13 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (WCI Killed Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: The two Westy front loaders I had during circa 78/80 were extremely prone for repairs. Regardless I so liked my stack system. They were a little tedious to operate. Load size and the amount of detergent was done by trial and error. Low suds Dash deterent had disappeared. Classic Ajax detergent was the only one that instructed a 1/3 cup be used for front loaders. And then that could be too much for certain full loads. This is just my opinion. The washer door with that spring loaded "weigh to save" feature was its' demise. I did not use it. More often than not it was inaccurate. Overloading is what killed those washers. The repairmen that I got to know all too well. Agreed that overloading was the cause for repairs most often.
WCI not only cheapened the washer and the operating manuals too. For the "challenged" consumer. Not members of this group. The WCI manuals vaguely and briefly at best covered load composition and detergent use. To prove my point. Read the operating instructions for the 55 Westy in this websites archive. I was amazed. It provided the consumer with all the information needed step by step to successful operation. Especially about capacity.
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Post# 32905-9/18/2003-18:20 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Pearl with hand on hip)
MESSAGE: Oh, how I miss Pearl Bailey and Westinghouse! The commerical started with Pearl standing in teapot posture next to a harvest gold DW. She begins with in a. Don't you know girl tone? "...To know that the cleaning has been done and even in the corners too? Used to mean that I had to do it myself. Not anymore. Now that I have my Westinghouse fully automatic dishwasher and the way it cleans. Honey, you can be sure if it is a Westinghouse..." Those Westinghouse DW were lousy. So what? I would have had one just knowing that Pearl got by with hers.
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Post# 32906-9/18/2003-18:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: Friends of mine were desperate for a DW. Called me to say that they had gotten this deal on a used KA identical to the model posted. They paid $200 and another $150 for installation in there kitchen where there had not been a DW previously. That is when it hit the fan. Their 12" plates did not fit in the bottom rack nor did goblets in the top rack. What was KA thinking? Forget about anything taller than 10" in the bottom rack. As for the top rack it was from hell. Just two rows of flat bottom 12oz glasses.
I have yet to understand the thinking behind the confusing method to operate of the lesser model KAs. It makes no sense. There is a the dial for the cycles. Then there are push buttons for the identical cycles that of the dial. What do yu do first? Push the button for a cycle and then advance the dial to the same cycle? Or vice versa. The answer is with the latch up advance the dial to the cycle of choice. Now latch the door and then push the button for the same cycle of the dial to start the machine. Go figure? Any dishwasher is better than not having one. Although, being faced with this particular model KA I would replace it quickly.
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Post# 32907-9/18/2003-19:17 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Go figure?)
MESSAGE: Then redesigning and retrofitting the already in the market place DW with the ineffective upper wash arm is the answer? The product with dubious performance at best in question is a DW. That's all. Who in the hell is grossly over paid to design these DWs? It is not like it is the manufacturing of a heat seeking thermal nuclear missile. Just get the items in the top rack clean.
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Post# 32908-9/18/2003-19:20 ||| parunner58 (Easton, PA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Classic Kitchen Aid dishwashers, they don't make them like that any more)
MESSAGE: I agree with all of you. I bought my wife a Kithchen Aid Superba energy saver 5 convertible dishwasher for Christmas in 1984. That one was built like a tank. We had one problem with it. It had only pushbuttons on the control panel and what would happen is when you started the cycle it would fill and then heat the water. Sometimes it would get stuck and not continue the cycle, so until the repair man came we would select the soak cycle and let it heat for a few minutes then switch to the energy saver cycle and it would be fine. The day the repair guy came was a Wed and he saw the dishes sitting in there coated with cheese and tomatoe sauce from a lasagna dinner we had 2 days ago. He could not believe they would come clean. I told him that they would even come clean on the shorter energy saver cycle. That machine could clean anything. I could put in my old Farberware stainless steel pots and they would come out clean. The adjustable top rack let me put cookie sheets and broiler pans in and clean the baked on stuff completely off. I never had clogging of the filter or stuff stuck on the glasses in the upper rack. I did make sure what the bottoms of the glasses we would buy we pretty flat because ones with very concave bottoms would stay filled with water. Saddly to say after moving into our house and 2 kitchen remodels later in the summer of 1997 after waiting 8 weeks for our new counter top to be fabricated we installed it for the second time and two weeks later after washing dishes by hand in the bathroom for 2 months the motor burned out. I was hopeing for ours to last over 20 years like my aunts KA with the car door handle and cast iron wash arm did. Being almost 14 years old we opted for a new one. My wife kept hearing the girls in the office talking about this coworkers daughter having this extremely silent dishwasher. Me being the cook and the Kitchen is my room found out that this dishwasher was a Frigidaire Gallery top of the line. Well thats what I bought. The one that you can wash either both racks or the top or bottom. Its not the KA but it is a nice machine with some problems. It washes great and is very quiet but does not hold much and you cannot wash big items in this one. I will continue in the sandbox with issues and like of the new one MikeO
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Post# 32909-9/18/2003-19:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: That's strange they would do that. I don't know about the racking, but the older Customs and Imperials had the one touch start, just like the Superbas, by simply pushing the desired cycle button (although on my later KUDS-23, there was a separate push to start button)
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Post# 32910-9/18/2003-19:41 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: That's really no different from Whirlpool machines that had the cycles marked with letters (A-B-C-D) on the timer, and matching buttons. Setting the timer skipped the appropriate initial sequences, and the buttons probably controlled water heating -- otherwise there'd be no difference between setting the timer to C for light wash (or whatever), but pushing the A cycle button instead of the C. Sometimes the starting point was the same on the timer, with two letters together.
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Post# 32911-9/18/2003-19:44 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (You forgot the Patrician)
MESSAGE: This was at least 20 years ago. I agree it was strange and recall the push to start operation of the Custom and Imperial. Let us not forget the late 70s model named Patrician. Upon the advent of the last to design the upper wash arm and keeping the large Gold Seal 1/2 hp motor. The capacity of those machines was very limited. Then it dawned on them a few years later that a smaller motor allowed a larger wash chamber and the idiot responsible for the unlatch the door set the cycle dial. Now latch the door and then press the push button for the cycle that of having been selected with the dial. Was taken into a stairwell to be slapped then shot. The next day WP took over.
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Post# 32912-9/18/2003-20:33 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Vintage DW w. Dials and Push Buttons)
MESSAGE: The top-of-the-line 1972 Whirlpool DW my Mom had did have push buttons and a dial. With the door unlatched (large chrome handle) select the cycle push button, advance the timer dial to that cycle and then latch the door. I don't recall if those machnes invoked the heating element to maintain water temp. I do remember that it was the first DW I know of that had random loading because of the upper wash arm. The next house we moved to had a brand new 1973 Superba and we were back to the single wash level.
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Post# 32913-9/18/2003-22:13 ||| maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: I would like to get the part number for the new upper spray arm.
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Post# 32914-9/18/2003-22:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: There were some of those RCA Whirlpool units in the 60s whose timer dials resembled the dial on a telephone. I thought those were cool. The finger holes were labeled with lettered cycles, and you put your finger in whichever one you wanted and "dialed" it to the fingerstop, and that set the timer.
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Post# 32915-9/18/2003-22:36 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: I remembered those have been mentioned. I've never seen one, but they do sound kewl!
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Post# 32916-9/19/2003-00:33 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: The suds-kill increment on the early GE's would stop the first spin just after the solid inner tub was drained. The machine would turn off and sit there to allow the foam to settle down in the outer tub. Then the machine would click back on and finish the spin and drain out the water.
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Post# 32917-9/19/2003-01:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (coffeepots)
MESSAGE: The first generation Corningware percolators had a glass insert in the lid that took up most of the area of the lid. The second generation had a much smaller insert made of clear plastic, about the size of the typical percolator view window. Later, even that was replaced with an black opaque insert, so you couldn't see anything at all.
I have extra one of the trivets the Corningware percolator sits on, send me your address and I'll send it to you free.
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Post# 32918-9/19/2003-01:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (collecting)
MESSAGE: That's just what would make me happy in the coffeemaker collection. I'm already collecting 8 track players & 8-tracks, and laserdiscs, and cars (big ones). And my small electric appliance collection, both new and old, fills cabinets. If it has an electric cord on it, I like it.
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Post# 32919-9/19/2003-01:19 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: There we have it! Thanx Richie!
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Post# 32920-9/19/2003-01:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Westy parts)
MESSAGE: Having seen the inside of Westy front loaders, seems like LESS parts to me, a couple of belts, a pump, a solenoid, some pulleys, and a motor
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Post# 32921-9/19/2003-01:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (poor cleaning)
MESSAGE: Water hot enough? Detergent not old?
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Post# 32922-9/19/2003-01:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: (cleaning ability)
MESSAGE: Actually, I think they pretty much had the cleaning part perfected by at least the late 70's. From then it's been a matter of making them more energy efficient and changes in loading configurations.
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Post# 32923-9/19/2003-01:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Overloading Westy)
MESSAGE: That's strange, seems like overloading would only make for poor washing, and not kill machine. If you overload an FL machine, it just means that that the clothes would turn as a unit with the drum and not spalsh into the water. It doesn't take much more power to turn a drum stuffed full of clothes as one that lets the clothes flop around, as opposed to an overloaded TL machine where the motor and gearcase have to take the stress of turning the agitator back and forth in a tub overstuffed with clothes
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Post# 32924-9/19/2003-06:59 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: Well I grew up with Whirlpool dishwashers from the 60's, when my Mom got a new one in 1966, and it was one that had wash arms under both racks. I remember my Mom liked that machine alot, as it would wash most anything. It was 4 pushbuttons A- Normal Cycle, B - Rinse Hold, C - China Crystal, D - Short Cycle and dial with the starting points. I still have the instruction book, and it states that Normal Cycle with the double wash had a heated wash, China Crystal was no heat drying, and Short Cycle had single heated wash. And after 14 years of use the motor died and was replaced with another Whirlpool. A Kitchenaid with one wash arm was out of the question to her! I would have to agree
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Post# 32925-9/19/2003-07:39 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Pearl with hand on hip)
MESSAGE: I believe Frank Gifford did Westinghouse ads as well...
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Post# 32926-9/19/2003-07:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Hobart DW on ebay
MESSAGE: That stainless steel Hobart DW on ebay is a "commercial" one I believe, like the kind you would find in a restaurant, when you close and push the handle down it performs a fully automatic wash and rinse that takes around five minutes I think then it shuts off ............ but the seller says there is a hole in the holding tank ?? hmmmm ?? I wonder how much it cost to fix that and how big the hole is and what the cause of the hole is ......... being only twelve years old I am sure it could be fixed but I don't think you could turn around and sell it for $750.00, maybe $500.00 tops ...........
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Post# 32927-9/19/2003-08:23 ||| maytagman1970 (Birmingham, Alabama)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Go figure?)
MESSAGE: I couldn't agree more Partycycle. I think a retarded, one handed monkey could probably come up with a better dishwasher design. It's the 21st century!!! And this is what we have for our "modern design"? Dishwashers and washing machines from the 50's had a far better design than anything you can buy today. Damn energy savings and low water consumption! The way I see it, were not ever going to run out of either and I'm paying for the use of them, so let me use as much as I want!!!!
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Post# 32928-9/19/2003-09:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (efficiency)
MESSAGE: washers and refrigerators could be, and have been, made much more efficient, but I don't think they could wring much more efficiency out of a dishwasher, beyond having it heat it's own water so you can keep the water heater set low. They don't really use much water, even in the old days (my 78 KM uses 2 1/2 gallons per fill, max, that's not that much)
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Post# 32929-9/19/2003-09:38 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Suds-Kill Increment
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info, and what a great idea! I wish the 1960 KM Model 80 I grew up with would have had that feature. That baby used to suds-lock on the first spin almost every time. We had mechanically softened water, which I'm sure made the problem worse. Come to think of it, I'd often wander back to the washer when I'd hear it CLUNK into the (suds-save) first drain and would open the lid once or twice as it started to spin to assist with the suds-lock problem. No wonder I had no time to go out and play football with the other boys; there were more important issues to deal with, ha-ha!!
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Post# 32930-9/19/2003-10:05 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers
MESSAGE: Part # is 8269024 for top rack spray arm. Hope this helps!
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Post# 32931-9/19/2003-10:32 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: How kewl is that??? (o8`,
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Post# 32932-9/19/2003-10:39 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: That is correct. My mom's 59 GE did just that on both the normal and short cycles. I believe in the early 60's GE discontinued this feature and replaced it with a spray rinse.
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Post# 32933-9/19/2003-12:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: Yes, and speficially. This first spin was between 1/2 & 3/4 drain of wash water. Then pause for about 1-2 minutes (enough for tub to stop spinning (remember no brake) and then resume. Lesto the spray rinse you refer to was in conjunction with GE abandoning the solid tub design for the perforated tub, faster stroke, added tub brake, .....
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Post# 32934-9/19/2003-12:27 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: I don't think its a HOBART one .......... it must be '86 or newer
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Post# 32935-9/19/2003-15:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE RINSE GLO (Sears refrigerators (Gansky1..... In Reference To Sears Refrigerators))
MESSAGE: My grandparents had a Coldspot in their kitchen for as long as I can remember, one of the first frost-free models. My grandmother was so proud of it, one of the first in their little town. Later, when I was in high school we went to visit them and walked into the kitchen to see a WCI made Coronado (Gambles) unit that replaced the Coldspot. I really missed that beautiful script lettering on the freezer door and obviously the quality wasn't quite up to par as well!
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Post# 32936-9/19/2003-15:36 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (efficiency)
MESSAGE: Including hot water, electricity and detergent the cost of operating a DW is less than 50 cents per use. Omitting pre-rinsing and the hand washing of certain items. Increases the economical efficiency of machine washing and is reflected in lower utility bills. So much of the economy features of today's DW is a gimmick. It is not like their a guzzling 57 Buick. I have yet to hear of someones financial demise having been as a result of the cost of operating the DW.
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Post# 32937-9/19/2003-15:42 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: That's definitely a Hobart manufactured KitchenAid DW in that for sale link. KitchenAid was very slow to incorporate the upper wash arm. When they did the Superba was the only one to get because of the adjustable top rack. The models below it (Imperial and Custom) it like the one for sale had noticeable capacity limitations until the wash chamber was increased in size. That is why I say that it is not worth it. Latter models still KitchenAids were greatly improved upon.
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Post# 32938-9/19/2003-16:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Unimatic Spin-Braking/Motor size)
MESSAGE: 1/3 HP, single phase, capacitor start, 15 AMP
When starting to spin with a full load, the motor will draw 12-13 amps. Some washers installed in older homes with inadequate power supplies (shared circuit with other appliances, etc.) had trouble with blown fuses and tripped breakers until corrections were made in the power supply. Talk about the lights dimming - just like in a prison movie. A few of us with more than one unimatic washer are careful to let only one at a time start to spin or they'll all stop!
Inside the unimatic mechanism is a spring that "directs" power from the motor to the mechanism to create either spin or pulsation. When this spring is wound around the drive shaft, it allows the gearing and trunion to create the up and down motion for pulsation. At the start of spin, a solenoid operates a trip shaft inside the mechanism that "unwinds" the spring causing motor rotation to be transfered to the torque plate which is sandwiched between the two brake plates. There is some slippage at the start of spin on the torque plate until the motor and tub speed are syncronized. At the end of spin, the motor stops rotating and the trip shaft releases the spring causing it to wind back onto the drive shaft thus putting it back in to "pulsate" mode. The braking system has two functions, it supplies spinning motion to the tub and stopping the tub at the end of the spin period. If the rotation of the motor is transfered back to the agitation gearing via the clutch spring mentioned earlier, the tension of the brake plates will keep the tub from spinning and thus stop it at the end of spin. Since the brake is only stopping the tub during pulsation, when rotational power is removed from the torque plate at the end of spin, the residual rotational force causes the pulsation until the brake has stopped the tub.
I don't know if this clears up the questions, it's easier to understand with pictures!
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Post# 32939-9/19/2003-16:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: Early 50's GE washers filled water into the tub during the suds-kill pause. The 56 GE I've been playing with doesn't, but the wash water is completely gone from the wash/spin tub by the suds-kill pause - all the water is in the outer tub where the little elves come out and blow on the suds to knock them down. ;-)
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Post# 32940-9/19/2003-16:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post (awsome washer )
MESSAGE: That's too funny - friends make fun of me because I cram all sorts of things into the washer or diswasher. Many of my son's toys have taken a ride in the dishwasher and car floor mats in the washer, etc. One friend, inspired my appliance-use creativity plopped her dryer lint filter into the dishwasher to scrub off the residue left by dryer sheets and it worked like a charm!
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Post# 32941-9/19/2003-16:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post (awsome washer )
MESSAGE: I also know a vacuum person who keeps a dishwasher in his garage to wash all the parts and etc when he services or rebuilds a cleaner.
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Post# 32942-9/19/2003-17:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: KA portable (hobart?) (Not Worth It)
MESSAGE: Christian, from what I remember in a simplistic thought, was the short-lived Patrician model (mentioned yesterday) aws pretty much a Superba without the Sani-Rinse option and a couple of other minor things. But I do believe the Patrician also had the adjustable/tiltable upper rack. One may have been also the Patrician had Pots'n'Pans rather than Soak'n'Scrub.
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Post# 32943-9/19/2003-17:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: Well, our 1955 non-filter-flo that looks like your 1956 would still have some water in the wash basket when it paused for the suds lock pause. And it didn't add water either.
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Post# 32944-9/20/2003-02:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (high water fills and energy efficiency)
MESSAGE: A dishwasher doesn't need a high water fill to clean well, all the engineers have to make sure is that the pump doesn't starve for water. Once the water is in "action", it really doesn't matter how much total water there is in the machine, again, so long as there is enough so the pump inlet is always underwater. My house has very high water pressure, so often the emergency cutoff kicks in before the fill time runs out. I adjusted the inlet valve so now it fills with just enough water to keep the pump primed in the time alloted for the fill (90 seconds). The adjustment hasn't affected cleaning ability at all.
Most of the cost of running a dishwasher AND a clothes wsher is heating the water. It was relatively easy to make clothes washers more energy efficient by encouraging people to use cold washes, making cold rinses standard, and moving back to front load machines which inherently use less water.
On the other hand, dishwashers HAVE to have hot water, and they already use relatively little water per fill anyway (my KM uses 2 1/2 galons max per fill, depending on water pressure). Since they really can't use much less water per cycle, they have to use fewer fills. Also, to have the machine heat it's own water so one can turn down the water heater setting. The option of turning off the dry heater has been around for years, what they need to do is reverse it so it's normal state is off and customer neds to turn it on to have heated drying.
I think they wuld save a LOT of energy if they would encourage people to USE the dishwashers they may have and to STOP pre-rinsing. Even older dishwashers were more efficent than the way most people hand wash and rinse dishes. They should be pushing studies showing how machine washing is more efficient. I know a lot of people still think dishwashers are LESS efficient than hand washing.
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Post# 32945-9/20/2003-03:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post (odd stuff in dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I've read where they recommend one put their dishtowel and sponges in one's dishwasher. The filter screens in range hoods also say to put in dishwasher, as do the instructions for cleaning the filter that's in my Dustbuster.
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Post# 32946-9/20/2003-06:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Suds-kill Increment?
MESSAGE: My 59 was like Gansky's 56. The machine got up tp full spin speed before it shut off briefly for the sudslock so all the water was completely gone from the tub and no spray either. It did resume spinning right before the tub came to a complete stop.
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Post# 32947-9/20/2003-08:51 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: Now that's a DW
MESSAGE: How cool is this?!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2348151179&category=46124
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Post# 32948-9/20/2003-09:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay
MESSAGE: Buy It Now for only $250!!
In Philly - easy ship or pick up.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1400&item=3243489415
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Post# 32949-9/20/2003-10:14 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (collecting-its a sickness (but a good sickness))
MESSAGE: Just teasin' ya!! I can't wait to get set up in my new home so I can once again collect all these great appliances. My favorite perc was a late '60 GE with the outside finished in mottled blue green. It had never been used when I bought it so it had complete instructions and the mini-brew basket (an idea stolen from the laundry division). Sold it when we moved into our Airstream. (another vintage collectable obsession!)
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Post# 32950-9/20/2003-10:35 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Missing The Boat)
MESSAGE: I think the first bidder made a mistake not using the buy it now feature for only $250.00. I'm sure it'll go for more that.
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Post# 32951-9/20/2003-10:49 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Random thoughts on Dishwashers and vacuums
MESSAGE: Everyone,
I do have two dishwashers and considering that they are the topic of conversation latly I figured I'd join in. My inside dishwasher is a GE Potscrubber. It's from the late70's early 80's at the latest. It does have several pushbutton control settings for rinse hold,regular wash, and potscrubber. It also has another two pushbutton controls for heated drying On and Off.
This dishwasher is awesome. It's large enough to hold Roseanne Barr and still have room for her dessert platters. We hardly EVER pre-rinse anything I do scrape off the plates though, and everything comes out excellent. I have never had any issues with it either and neither did the lady who ownd my house before me. She did have Issues with her Magic Chef washer puking water all over the floor and not telling me though, but that isn't the topic at hand.
My machine has a wood panel insert that matches the wood of the cabinets that are in my house. To start my machine all you have to do is push what button you want and just push in the timer dial knob and it does the rest auto.
Out in my garage I have a cheapo-matic Caloric...(Groans and Hisses) from the audience. I do rebuild things...i.e. vacuum cleaners, and I use this dishwasher to clean up body parts and the like. I also use it for washing hats, my dryer filter as someone else noted "I guess I'm not the only weirdo"...lawn ornaments, anything that I can fit in there. I even have it so the whole top rack does come out so larger things can fit in.
Being the dork that I am, and knowing that only cold water ran to the garage, I purchased a small 5 gallon electric water heater and installed it in a mini kitchen of sorts as there is a double tub sink in there as well. reason for this is becasue I use a old Nor-gah (Norge) Wringer Washer for washing shop rags, and I use it as well to wash vegtables from the garden.
And because of the WHeater, I have hot water in the garage now too. But the Caloric isn't the best washer in the world water HOT or COLD. It did leave alot to be desired...it was my folks and they had it in their kitchen when they bought their house after I bought mine. They wanted a new Maytag DW so I got the old Caloric. It works great for what I need it for though.
Funny little sidebar...I was restoring a 1957 Pink General Electric Swivel Top for a freind in Detroit, who wanted it SOOOO bad for his apartment. This boy is seriously stuck in the 60's, his whole place is done like 50's-60's decor...
Anyway, I had decided to break the WHOLE canister down and wash the body as the innards and even the well kept outside finish could benefit from a good scrubbing (so I thought). So I put the machine's body parts in along with the dirty attachments, and the hose. Yep I crammed it all in.
When the wash was over, I opened it to find that the paint on the body faded seventeen shades away from what it was and the name washed right off you know the GENERAL 0 ELECTRIC. The body looked pinkish white, instead of a deeper pink as they were, the tools also pink trimmed with brown faded and the rugtool started to warp.
Only the hose being a spiral bound plastic was the only thing that diddn't start to self destruct in the washer. So I found that you definitly DO need to be careful with what you put in there.
I gave him another GE Swivel Top that I had because of it. It was the mint green and chrome version from 1959. And it was a MUCH nicer machine than the 57' was... He has had it for three years now and he still uses it.
Anyway, Have a Good One...
Chad
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Post# 32952-9/20/2003-14:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Missing The Boat)
MESSAGE: Way more!
I thought about it overnight and when it hadn't been snapped up this morning, I had decided against it (I have this washer and matching dryer already) I put it up here thinking someone would surely grab it for $250 - a steal for a unimatic!
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Post# 32953-9/20/2003-15:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Missing The Boat)
MESSAGE: Yeah for that price I would have save myself the aggravation of that whole waiting game and all this last minute bidding foolishness. I tend to gravitate more to items with buy it now these days, if I want something I want it, and be done!
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Post# 32954-9/20/2003-15:56 ||| Stovetopper (Merrimac)
SUBJECT: Just found for free mint green Monogram stove
MESSAGE: I am new to this forum. My husband just picked up by the side of the road a small mint green cast iron 4 burner cabriole leg wood/coal stove with a decal on the cream colored oven door: Monogram. It is complete with the top shelf. The porcelain is in beautiful condition with some minor bumps here and there.
It is in pretty nice condition and has been replumbed for gas, but does not seem to be hurt by the conversion. I love the color. I plan on using it as a coal and wood stove this winter, but eventually would like to return it to its former glory if that is possible.
Is this stove worth anything and therefore worth restoring and cherishing or is it a large paperweight? It seem to be a style close to the turn of the last century. (Boy is it funny saying that.)
Thanks
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Post# 32955-9/20/2003-16:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Go figure?)
MESSAGE: Well we WILL run out of water, there is less than .003% of fresh water in the world, the rest is oceans, ice, underground etc. I mean, us appliance nuts like older, energy guzzling appliances. But it is good that the masses like these plasticky, poor washing appliances. We can always still use our vintage appliances but let the other people use these dishwashers that use almost no water, it is good for the earth.
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Post# 32956-9/20/2003-16:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (efficiency)
MESSAGE: It's easier and cheaper to heat the water in the water heater, esspecially for people with gas water heaters like us.
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Post# 32957-9/20/2003-16:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: look what I have found (Unimatic Spin-Braking/Motor size)
MESSAGE: That is one cool system! I think I have a picture in my head but one day when I see one of them up close it will all be clear.
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Post# 32958-9/20/2003-16:34 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: sorry, wrong link for washer in prev post (awsome washer )
MESSAGE: Who is that vacuum person? I know of one who uses his dishwasher to wash the fans and other metal and plastic parts of vacuums.
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Post# 32959-9/20/2003-16:35 ||| Auntrosey (West Monroe, LA)
SUBJECT: door gasket for 1950 era Coldspot refrigerator
MESSAGE: I am restoring this old frig.... I need to order a replacement door gasket... where do I go?
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Post# 32960-9/20/2003-16:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (high water fills and energy efficiency)
MESSAGE: Good points. Like I mentioned, since I cleaned our Maytag dishwasher, no dish has come out dirty so we NEVER even rinse our dishes first anymore. Before though, the dishwasher was really sensitive to having little pieces of food in it, if there was any, the dishes would come out with sandy crap in them (esspecially the glasses.) but now the Maytag can swallow almost anything and still turn out amazing cleaning results.
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Post# 32961-9/20/2003-16:41 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: door gasket for 1950 era Coldspot refrigerator
MESSAGE: Most parts houses such as sundberg or marcone can sell you bulk gasket by the foot for these old latch type refers. Just loosen the screws on the door liner and the gasket has a flange that tucks underneath this.
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Post# 32962-9/20/2003-18:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Running out of water)
MESSAGE: Your statistic with regard to the world's fresh water supply are indeed correct at .003%. However 20% of that fresh water is in our great lakes. The all-to-late transition to the efficient and ecological tumble washer performing the exact same task with approximately 24 less gallons of water was inevitable. I know that there are members that will not agree. The front load method of wash action yields far superior results than that of the top loading washer. Manufactures have been very cautious in ther introduction of the superior performance, efficient and ecological front loaders. Otherwise they would have shot themselves in the foot having admitted that their top loading washers were inferior to the front loading all along.
In the state of CA. Please correct me if I am wrong? Within only a couple of years. The replacement of top loading clothes washer found in Laundromats and laundry rooms of apartments buildings must meet the efficiency of a front loader. Manufactures are scrambling to make the top loader, the uneducated consumers choice, as efficient as the front loader. Case in point. The WP/Sears Calipso and the F/P machines. The would be fools not to try and do so.
Like it or not. The top loading clothes washer is soon to be a thing of the past. All the more reason for this marvelous website. The efficiency of the the DW is not the issue.
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Post# 32963-9/20/2003-18:38 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (vintage Maytag w. self cleaning filter)
MESSAGE: I so liked my circa 79/80 Maytag DW with that dishes on the top loading configuration. I recall that one of the celebrated features of that model line was its' micro-fine self cleaning filter. The appliance stores were provided with a sales aid by Maytag. The consumer could actually hold the filter that was filled wiht poppy seeds that could not fit through it. All the while touting that it was completely self cleaning.
During the time that I had my Maytag DW it required numeorus repairs. Each time the machine was disassembled revealing the micro fine "self cleaning" filter. I was shocked as to how filthy the filter was. I am not kidding. Like they said. Just scrape and load. Absolutely no need to pre-rinse. Even the repairman told me that this was very common to the entire model line. So much so that I diligently worked to clean it before allowing it to be reinstalled. This filthy micro-fine "supposedly self cleaning" filter is what the final rinse water passed through.
Granted I do not recall finding any traces of food particles or sediment what so ever upon cycle completion. However, just knowing that the clean final rinse water was being circulated through that filthy filter, as well as, my machine being a lemon helped me to replace it all that quickly. Now when purchasing a dishwasher it must have a filter that I can have access to.
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Post# 32964-9/20/2003-19:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update 09/20/2003
MESSAGE: Stegve asked me to make a brief post in the SandBox.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1731
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Post# 32965-9/20/2003-20:12 ||| Fredhorn (Yucaipa, CA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse range parts
MESSAGE: Am looking for a source for replacement Corox style burners and oven door springs for a 40's vintage Westinghouse electric range, Type-D64-48, Ser #H187435, Style 1350397. The range is in daily use by my parents, and because it is the original appliance installed in their home in Boise, Idaho, we would like to refurbish it rather than replace it. Any help in locating these parts would be appreciated.
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Post# 32966-9/20/2003-22:52 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (high water fills and energy efficiency)
MESSAGE: And also, not for nothing....but when we were growing up in the 60's and 70's, my family very rarely had colds and flu bugs because my mother used the diswasher. Nothing could really stand up to that old Waste King's steam cycles and live!! Unfortunately for us, that means we rarely missed school!! But it did make a big difference and still does today. When I see what some people call "washing" dishes....with dirty sponges/dishrags and dirty dishtowels, I can't imagine how anyone could think that a dishwasher doesn't do it better. To prove my point, I told my very anti-dishwahser cousin to wash a sinkful of dishes and I would heat a pot of water for her to use to do the job the way the dishwasher would....so I heated it to 145 degrees. And I told her to go ahead and stick your hands in that water and wash!! Well, guess what.....she uses her dishwasher now. Every day. And she slowly came to realize that her and her miserable kids get less colds, etc. since she started using it. And not for nothing, but it is a KitchenAid Superba model 21...not exactly a slouch of a machine. But she always swore she could do a better job of it then it could....guess again oh cuz!!!
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Post# 32967-9/20/2003-22:59 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Running out of water)
MESSAGE: You're absolutely right Party....experience with the vintage front loaders may have soured the old timers because the modern day detergents we have are so much better at efficient cleaning then what we had years ago. But as the owner of a Calypso and previously, a Frigidaire Gallery FL machine, I can attest to the fact that they do indeed clean far better then any top loader. Any machine that I can drop 16 white collared dress shirts into, loaded with wring around the collar and perspiration stains...without any pretreating AT ALL, load the detergent and turn the machine on and watch it produce perfectly clean shirts better then even the cleaners can, is the machine I will own for a long, long time. The Calypso does it without effort, as did the Frigidaire. That's what a washer is supposed to do!!! All with less water, detergent and energy then a top loader.
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Post# 32968-9/20/2003-23:06 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Missing The Boat)
MESSAGE: I am glad to see that somebody didn't use the "Buy it Now" feature. I hope that seller gets well over two grand for it. I just hate to see someone suckered into selling a family heirloom for next to nothing to some cheap pawnbroker type predator.
MrCoffee
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Post# 32969-9/20/2003-23:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (Running out of water)
MESSAGE: Even if they clean better, use less energy and water, I will NEVER like front loaders. They are boring, overpriced, boring and I just don't like them. I think it will take at least 10 years for front loaders to completely take over. And by then, I can still buy and use good ole' top loaders whenever I want. As long as most other people use front loaders, that won't matter, I like and will always use top loaders.
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Post# 32970-9/21/2003-00:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (vintage Maytag w. self cleaning filter)
MESSAGE: I do a complete cleaning once a year or so now. It doesn't really need it. There is always a little bit of stuff on the filter but as long as the back flush arm is clean and as long as the wash arms are clean, the dishwasher cleans great. See, a while ago, our filter, back flush and wash arms were all clogged. I would clean the filter every month (and it would be just discuting with chunks of crap in it and the pump stunk.) I was amazed how quickly it built up again. Then I saw the wash arm holes were clogged, I cleaned these and finally the dishwasher was cleaning ok but the filter got clogged so fast. THEN I saw the back flush arm which was heavy with crap in it, I put steaming hot water in it and shook it out, slimy brown crap oozed out of it. I spent 20 minutes making the arm spotless and now that we make sure the dishwasher gets hot water and plenty of detergent, the filter nor the back flush arm ever get clogged like they did before.
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Post# 32971-9/21/2003-00:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (efficiency)
MESSAGE: Even with a gas water heater, I suspect that if one does the math, it's probably cheaper to keep a standby heater at 120 degrees 24/7 and let the dishwasher heat its own water. This also alleviates the scalding hazard in households with young children or people insensitive to heat. So I cn see the reasoning behind it, although I would keep the water at 140 degrees for the clothes washer sake. I want HOT water for my whites.
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Post# 32972-9/21/2003-00:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: door gasket for 1950 era Coldspot refrigerator (Coldspot door gasket)
MESSAGE: Start with Sears parts, you'd be surprised. Otherwise, go to a parts appliance store and check it out. Then there's always the Net.
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Post# 32973-9/21/2003-01:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (FL vs TL)
MESSAGE: So what made TL machines become the machine of choice? It's not like FL machines are "new" technology. As we all know FL machines were very common from 40's to 60's, and they never fell out of favor in Europe. And it's always been known they were more efficent with water and detergent. I've heard they fell out of favor because they didn't hold as much, but again, they could've made them bigger then just as the new generation of FL machines are now.
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Post# 32974-9/21/2003-01:15 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Now that's a DW (Georgious Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I would love to own that GE Mobile Maid. Why is everyone I fall in love with located at the other side of the country. Someone in the club had one of these but it was stripped for parts. This one seems to be in fantastic shape. Oh well, Someday I'll have one. Michael
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Post# 32975-9/21/2003-01:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (filters)
MESSAGE: I like not having to screw around with filters at all, like good old D & M
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Post# 32976-9/21/2003-02:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (FL vs TL)
MESSAGE: I don't see what's more boring about them than a TL machine, a lot of people would think the idea of watching ANY washer is "boring". Actually, FL machines seem to be a little more exciting, since there seems to be more "action" what with all the splashing against the window and such. The only TL that comes near that are, of course, are the Frigidaire TL machines.
The FL machines are overpriced, but that will change in time. But like was said in a previoius post, having "the masses" use the boring things like new Toyotas and Frigemores and such will leave more for me enjoy to taking out that gas-guzzling 1958 Buick Limited and using those old "overflow rinse" TL machines when I want to. (and let me tell you, those cars really sucked the gas, 12 mpg on the HIGHWAY was considered "normal")
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Post# 32977-9/21/2003-08:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie updte 09/21/03
MESSAGE: See message in SandBox.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1733
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Post# 32978-9/21/2003-08:52 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Cory Vac Coffee Pot
MESSAGE: Last week there were a few posts about coffee pots. I recently found a Cory vac pot that is mint. This has the glass rod as the filter. It isn't working correctly. The rubber gasket is in good shape, soft and plialbe, but it does come off easily and not glued on. I am not sure if it is supposed to be glued on, but maybe because it can be removed, it isn't creating enough of a seal. Also, the water seems to take forever to go to the upper pot, and very slow going down. Yesterday I had grounds and coffee leaking into the lower pot while the water was moving to the upper pot. The other pot I was using had a cloth filter over a ceramic disc, and that worked like a charm. Any advice???
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Post# 32979-9/21/2003-10:30 ||| Mcgtool (Pa)
SUBJECT: RE: door gasket for 1950 era Coldspot refrigerator (door gasket)
MESSAGE: Can you get the model number of the refrig or the orig. door gasket part number?. I have some old but new stock door gaskets that might fit, let me know. Dave
email....mcgtool@aol.com
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Post# 32980-9/21/2003-12:10 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore)
MESSAGE: Isn't it interesting that the seller pulled this washer because there was "an error in the listing??!?"
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Post# 32981-9/21/2003-12:23 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore)
MESSAGE: He told me that someone from our site emailed him and told him that it was worth several times what he was asking for it and that he wouldn't part with it for less than $650. I hope that person who did that was man enough to buy it from him at that price.
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Post# 32982-9/21/2003-13:14 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: He emailed me again today, saying that he agreed to sell it to someone at a high price, but would be willing to sell it to me if I would want to beat their price. I don't deal that way. This guy is playing games. Good luck to whoever buys it!!!
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Post# 32983-9/21/2003-14:37 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: Greed is a horrible trait to have. That seller was originally happy with $250.00 buy it now. Now that he had an offer for $650.00, he pulled it from eBay to sell it to a club member. eBay is an auction site. Who knows, that seller may have gotten more than $650.00 if he had let the auction end the proper way.
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Post# 32984-9/21/2003-16:35 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: crazy dishwasher
MESSAGE: is anyone else having problems with cascade ?? it suds up like way up this just started with the las box i bought thought it maybe was the machine but it does it my kitchenaid top loader and my westy roll out even tried using less but still the same thing at the end of the cycle before the dry kick on you can open the machine and there are at least 4 inches of suds in there they start to go down as soon as the outside air hits them or if you let the machine run the dry cycle maybe i should just throw out this box
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Post# 32985-9/21/2003-16:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: If you still have a copy of that email, you should forward it to Ebay administration. I'm not familiar with all their rules and regs concerning selling policies, but I can't imagine they would let him get away with ending the auction early and selling "under the table" bypassing the fees that ebay would normally have charged him.
What a jerk he's turned out to be - I should have snagged it for $250 Friday night!
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Post# 32986-9/21/2003-16:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore)
MESSAGE: Hmmmmmm....
Time will tell, I'm sure!
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Post# 32987-9/21/2003-17:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: "Suckered into..." and "cheap pawnbroker type predator" ?? What a load of crap!
An item was offered for auction/sale at a stated price - how does that make anyone a bad guy for meeting that price?
Your post speaks volumes - thank you for the insight!
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Post# 32988-9/21/2003-17:37 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: Greg, I did keep a copy of the email and was thinking of doing just that. Since he has at least one other item actively up for auction, they still can make things unpleasant for him. Now, lets just see who posts pics of their new purchase.
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Post# 32989-9/21/2003-18:31 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher (Re: Cascade D/W Detergent Oversudzing Problem:)
MESSAGE: Hey! Chris, I just was reading your Posting on the Club Site. Don't throw your Cascade Container away, locate some info of how to contact the Company and all info on the Container and file a complaint, letting them know about your finding's with all of your Dishwasher's. They need to know that there was possibly something wrong with that particular Mixture of Ingredient's, causing the Oversudzing.
Let us know what you find out and what the Cascade Company will do to help you with this problem, OK?
Peace and Hugs, Steve
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Post# 32990-9/21/2003-18:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher (Re: Cascade D/W Detergent Oversudzing Problem:)
MESSAGE: All he needs to do is call the Procter & Gamble toll free number on the box and they will help him - there really is nothing to locate; it's right there. I am sure they will make good on this..
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Post# 32991-9/21/2003-19:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: So much for democracy and fair play... I am incredibly disappointed if someone from the club actually did this. If this information was given to the seller innocently as part of an enthusiastic conversation, I still think that at best, that would show incredibly poor judgment. If there was another motive, I would consider that unforgivable.
A long time ago when this club was still getting started, I remember we had many sprited discussions about what would happen when people (sellers) realized that these machines are desired. And it seems that what we feared is happening. I suppose it is one thing if the marketplace dictates these prices via the auction process (in which we participate), but it is quite another when we delibarately or inadvertently contribute to that process behind the scenes.
Well, we'll see........
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Post# 32992-9/21/2003-19:21 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: You're not the only one disappointed! I would have bid on that too, by the time I saw it, it was gone.
We'll see where it ends up.
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Post# 32993-9/21/2003-19:22 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher (Re: Cascade D/W Detergent Oversudzing Problem:)
MESSAGE: Hey! I'm not always able to try and explain some things as I would like them to be expressed. As I had indicated about locating info, I do happen to know that when someone has a complaint or suggestion about a particular product, the Manufacture ask's for some kind of "ID" {Info/Number} for reference of that Batch of the product, that will tell them the date of Manufacture of the Batch of the item{s}. I have worked in Marketing Research when I was younger, so that is how I know about this need of some sort of info to help with the comment's or complaint's of a Product, just like with Model/Serial Number's of Appliances.
Peace, Steve
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Post# 32994-9/21/2003-19:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (FL vs TL)
MESSAGE: Just my opinion is all. I like watching the clothes roll over, I like watching the spin-drains (even the neutral drains, watching the water level go down so fast.) listening to the start of spin sounds, listening to the start of agitation sounds. And every top loader makes uniquie sounds, and every one has something different about what they do, the kind of drain, the kind of design etc. With front loaders, they are all too similar. They all do the same things, make nearly the same noises (the spin WIRR.) they all have basically the same design (motor in back with a belt to the center LARGE pulley in the back.) And they aren't complicated enough, they are too simple. There is no interesting thing to taking them apart. There is no transmission.
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Post# 32995-9/21/2003-19:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Umm, please tell me why he can't think for himself? Why is his opinion a load of crap?! Just relax man, no one needs to go overboard here...
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Post# 32996-9/21/2003-19:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (efficiency)
MESSAGE: I think the "efficency" of the machine depends more on the user rather the appliance itself. Even most older "vintage" ,1950's onward-had adjustable temp and water level settings. You the user could adjust them.-same with pots and pan cycles and normal cycles on dishwashers.
With this I would like to see the govt out of the kichen and laundry room! Energy and water costs vary in diffewrent parts of the country. Some people could benefit-other the expensive trendy "energy saving" machines will never pay for themselves if the water and energy is inexpensive.
I also read some posts about using a dishwasher to clean things besides dishes. when you get down to it-what is a dishwasher anyway-A pressure washer in a cabinet.
In the business I am in(broadcasting-repair and installation of radio broadcast equipment)I know of one fellow who uses an old dishwaser in his garage to clean transmitter parts and patchbays. Works quite well-just removed them and dry off with compressed air blower when the washer is finished. If you let the parts or patchbays dry in the machine-they could corrode.
LINK: http://efficiency of disdwaser,washer
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Post# 32997-9/21/2003-19:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher
MESSAGE: Just since you started using this box ?? is your water soft ?? throw the box out ............ email me, or I will talk to you about it in the sandbox .........
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Post# 32998-9/21/2003-20:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: He can think for himself, but slander and name calling has no place here.
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Post# 32999-9/21/2003-20:13 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Thanks for your insight, Kurt. And, I will explain further.
The trouble with this group seems to be ethics. One item was bought at an estate sale for $20.00. Later, that item turned up on EBay, where it sold for $1,200.00. Mind you, this was an estate sale where items were being sold for distribution to a family who probably needed the funds. The person who bought the machine from the estate was fully aware of its value. I am very sure that the family would have been shocked had they seen what it sold for, and very hurt over it as well.
I see no point in celebrating when someone blurts out a find such as: "I found this ABC 'O Matic real cheap at some grieving family's estate sale". People suffer enough at the loss of a loved one. They shouldn't be made to suffer having their vulnerabilities exploited that way. If somebody finds something for less then its actually worth, it's best to just keep it quiet.
MrCoffee
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Post# 33000-9/21/2003-20:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: I had put a couple of my items on ebay, but after reading about this situation, I am probably better off to put stuff on the for sale ads in applianceville vs ebay, that way other interested club members can buy them, without outbidding each other, maybe on a first come, first serve basis ??
Whomever wrote the seller saying the machine is worth $650.00 ?? How does anyone know the seller really received that email, and if the seller was that candid with saying that it was another club member, maybe he will reveal his screen name too ??
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Post# 33001-9/21/2003-20:29 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher
MESSAGE: Okay, I am probably in trouble for this not being a vintage topic. Although, Cascade brand has been around since 1950. A repairman told me that when clients have unknowingly used dish washing liquid soap in their DW he corrects the problem by adding a substantial amount of Cascade detergent. Because of its' anti sudsing agents. I will say this. That time after time I keep returning to the basic Cascade brand powdered detergent. I have tried even Cascades liquids and others too. The liquid detergents increase the viscosity of the water and the RPMs of the wash arm are slowed down significantly. Where I live the water is extremely hard. It is not like I was using too much. Even the repairman said not to use them. The ingredients in the liquid detergents thickening agent upon repeated use builds up in the wash arms, filter and pump. I had been using Cascade Complete for about a month. I always select the high temp wash/rinse options. To proove this to me he removed the cone shaped part of the over flow switch. I was shocked to see the amount of gunk that there was.
I am curious as to which powder formula Cascade is sudsing?
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Post# 33002-9/21/2003-21:04 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: .............sigh.........
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Post# 33003-9/21/2003-22:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Ya, who was he name calling? Someone we don't even know yet! We don't even know who will buy it, or even if anyone will. This is a place of opinions and shooting down someone else's has no place either, if he thinks whoever buys the dishwasher is whatever, then he can think that. Geez, please email me if you want to respond, I really don't want to start anything again.
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Post# 33004-9/21/2003-22:47 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: The point was...?
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Post# 33005-9/22/2003-00:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Weekend finds...at the bottom of the slippery slope!
MESSAGE: Busy appliance weekend again, found a Maytag DE806 dryer which I wanted for parts for my 906 pushbutton dryer which, much to my dismay, came with a Maytag square-tub wringer washer. I took both of them to storage ;-) I also found a Speed Queen commercial washer - or it's remains, that has the fast spin pulley on it. It's a solenoid-shifter so there is a handful of good parts to be harvested. A friend brought his grandson down to visit while I was removing the cabinet from my 1-18 washer, he might just be a washer-boy someday, he had a great time with the process.
I posted pics of the weekend's appliance fun -
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=bb53.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 33006-9/22/2003-04:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher (Re: Cascade D/W Detergent Oversudzing Problem:)
MESSAGE: Companies bend over backwards to have satisfied customers, at the very least, you'll probably get some coupons for free detergent. Probably a 800 number and/or web address on the box somewhere.
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Post# 33007-9/22/2003-05:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (FL vs TL)
MESSAGE: If you want to see a complicated FL machine, look inside a combo machine like a Duo-Matic. Talk about COMPLEX! Your hankering for mechanical complexity will be well satisfied. :-)
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Post# 33008-9/22/2003-05:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (estate sales)
MESSAGE: Often, people who conduct estate sales are well aware they could get more money for things if they put the items on E-bay or in local papers, but they don't want to be bothered., don't have the time, or just don't care. And some people who buy things at estate sales may NOT be aware of the value,let's not assume everybody does.
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Post# 33009-9/22/2003-05:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher (float gunk)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I've turned that overflow float over a couple of times and it can be groaty in there.
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Post# 33010-9/22/2003-05:14 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher (Re: Cascade D/W Detergent Oversudzing Problem:)
MESSAGE: Sorry, Steve, I wasn't trying to be critical of you. If that is how it came across, then I should have been clearer in my post..... My apologies.
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Post# 33011-9/22/2003-05:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: I thought I had an interesting solution to the problem of club members having to outbid each other. If you have something you want to sell (like a washer) then you probably have an idea of what is worth to you or the price you would like. So you would decide on the price, communicate it to Applianceville, and have some kind of "lottery" so that all interested members who could afford to bid have an equal chance at winning.
Now, that said, there are several issues that would need to be worked out. Like how you would do the drawing - for example.
Anyway, maybe not the best solution, but it was just a preliminary idea. Seems like these ebay auctions just create hard feelings......
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Post# 33012-9/22/2003-06:35 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Nonsense. The idea of an estate sale, or a garage sale is to empty the house without throwing the stuff away.
If you were looking through 50 cent LP records, and you found one worth $30, wouldn't you buy it for 50 cents? Wouldn't you show it to your friends? If there are no bargains to be found, there is no fun in it!!
Ken D.
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Post# 33013-9/22/2003-07:29 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend finds...at the bottom of the slippery slope!
MESSAGE: Greg, enjoyed your pics. Is that fast spin pulley exclusive to the commercial machines, or was it on all Speed Queens? And that little guy looks like he's ready for the club!!! Todd
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Post# 33014-9/22/2003-07:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend finds...at the bottom of the slippery slope!
MESSAGE: Hi Todd -
Those faster spin pulleys were only on some of the commercial Speed Queens, you might have found them in a busy laundromat or laundry room to help speed up customer turnover in the dryers a little bit. Several of us have been looking for them for some time, it's great to find one with the belt so we can determine the measurements and possibly fashion them "after market" for some of our SQ machines.
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Post# 33015-9/22/2003-08:18 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: The point, my friend, is the fact that it is pretty unfair to criticize someone that happens to have a successful EBay auction... it isn't as if Robert (oh my, I knew who was being talked about....)had any control over the price. Furthermore, it is offensive to me for anyone to be publically critical of a guy who has GIVEN countless hours, plus, to the members of this "club". I dont post too often, but I read everyday, and long for the "vintage" yahoo club, which was informative without having to resort to the middle-school girl mentatity that often prevails here.. I say "bravo" to Robert/Uni for his lucky auction, its not as if he didnt deserve it....and my email is smd54_12208@yahoo.com for anyone whe wishes to respond to my comment........or take a shot at me :)
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Post# 33016-9/22/2003-08:22 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: You make a very good point Ken...and most "estate" sales I've been to are run by companies who take a percentage of the gross anyways. It is they who price the merchandise. If they don't know any better, then whose fault is that? And like you said, their job is to empty the house, that's it. Not make money for the estate. Just because a consumer does his/her homework doesn't mean they're doing anything wrong. Besides, vintage appliances, unlike automobiles or other collectibles like Lenox or Lladro or Precious moments have no "blue book" value. They are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. We value them as treasures from the past, but most people would just assume throw a 50 year old washer in the trash, whether it works or not.
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Post# 33017-9/22/2003-08:25 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Bravo...couldn't have said it better myself.
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Post# 33018-9/22/2003-08:48 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (FL vs TL)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt
I know what vintage front loader would get you hooked -
A Hoover Keymatic.
They are the most complicated machine I have ever seen. They make great noises, including: clicking/clanking as the timer skips over unselected parts of the cycle; lots of sloshing and spraying of water inside; clanking from the pulsator solenoid when the pulsator engages; an odd scraping sound, as one clutch is mounted on a steel brake drum which echoes and amplifies the clutch noise; whirring and fan noise from the pump, which has its own 220 watt motor; tick-tick-tick from the spin clutch as the drum gets up to speed, accompained by dimming of the lights (on 240 volts!) till the motor reaches speed; flapping sounds from the door boot (much softer and flopper than modern machines); an orchestra of little creaks and squeaks when spinning, as this machine is built on a frame with components and panels individually bolted to it,(no structural panels) and every bolt is a potential source of noise; finally more scraping from the brake as it coasts to a halt.
And if you bypass the door switch, you can do a complete cycle with the door open and hardly a drop will be spilt.
Fun and drama enough for everyone.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 33019-9/22/2003-09:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Not Anymore ... and then some)
MESSAGE: It won't be worth $650 when the torque spring breaks during the 2nd washload and not a one can be found...
-ph
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Post# 33020-9/22/2003-09:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Oh no, Ken! When you find something of value at a sale, you are supposed to take it to the people and say, "I'm so sorry for your loss. I found this Hummel that you are selling for $2.00 but I know it is worth $2,000.00, so let me ease your pain and write you a check for two grand..."
Reminds me of one club member who was at a flea market and found a rare something or another (coffee maker?) and he went on and on about the thing, raving about how wonderful it was. After fawning over it, he turned his keen eye to the seller and tried to haggle for the item! If I remember, the price actually went up and our member left emptyhanded!
-ph
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Post# 33021-9/22/2003-10:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: crazy dishwasher
MESSAGE: I had this problem with Sunlight tabs. I found that the dirtier the dishes, the less sudsing happend...
-ph
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Post# 33022-9/22/2003-11:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Very interesting Mr. Coffee, you obviously are referring to my shockingly successful eBay auction of last year for a 1965 turquoise Frigidaire washer. Your purposely being as subtle as a unbalance Unimatic. How do you know that I found that washer at an estate sale and how do you know I paid $20 for it? What makes you think that the family I got that from was a “family who probably needed the funds”? Please provide us with some proof or a source of that information. Thank you.
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Post# 33023-9/22/2003-11:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for your support Steve and everyone else, I do appreciate it.
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Post# 33024-9/22/2003-11:55 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Robert, I hope you realize you have my support, even though I've not joined in the ruckus.
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Post# 33025-9/22/2003-11:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (You should be ashamed of yourself!)
MESSAGE: This whole situation is extremely unfortunate. While I don’t know who did this, although if I had to guess I could. I would like to know what makes this person think he/she is such an expert on the value of a vintage washing machine that they have the right to email the seller and ruin his auction, the end result will probably mean that the seller will get less for the washer than if they let the auction run its course. You should be ashamed of yourself!
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Post# 33026-9/22/2003-12:26 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend finds...at the bottom of the slippery slope! ((boy in washer pic))
MESSAGE: Gansky---Oh, so THAT's where children come from! And here I've been searching cabbage patches all these years. ;) A very cute pic...not to mention a great washer find.
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Post# 33027-9/22/2003-13:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend finds...at the bottom of the slippery slope! (Age Old Question)
MESSAGE: Fabulous find Greg! Finally you will be able to answer that age old question "do coin-op Speed Queen washers actually spin faster than the home models". You'll have to let us know if the spin pulley really is any smaller in diameter, inquiring minds must know!
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Post# 33028-9/22/2003-13:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses (my2c))
MESSAGE: If you want to put something on ebay, you have the right to. I don't believe anyone owes anyone explanations about how they acquired a given item. Whether inherited, or an estate sale, or whatever ..... bid what your willing to bid, if you win, great, if you lose, to bad. If the seller makes a profit, good for him or her. I read this stuff and NEVER say anything, because I don't want to get wrapped up in it. Sorry to be off topic and I certainly do not mean to offend anyone by my comments. Best regards ............
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Post# 33029-9/22/2003-13:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (You should be ashamed of yourself!)
MESSAGE: I agree, I know people who contact sellers and offer more money than the starting bid because they may be closeby and do not want to lose out. That happened several months ago, with a very early sixties, probably late fifties Kitchen Aid top load dishwasher on ebay. I had bid on it myself and it was in the midwest. The auction ended early, no explanation. This will happen again, but to contact a seller and give him info without actually buying the item ???? What does this person really accomplish here ??? so he is now a hero to said seller/owner of this unimatic ??? For crying out loud, he could have "BOUGHT IT NOW" for $250.00 so again I ask of this so said "informant" to the seller, "What have you accomplished?" "What was your goal?"
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Post# 33030-9/22/2003-13:35 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses (my2c))
MESSAGE: um.....and who among us hasn't bid a ridiculous price for something on EBay because we HAD to have it...........I have...... SteveD
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Post# 33031-9/22/2003-13:53 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: I think maybe he's a little ticked that perhaps you have a good head for business?????? Why is it even anyone's business?
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Post# 33032-9/22/2003-14:39 ||| Wyocoyote (Santa Cruz, CA)
SUBJECT: Old revere pressure cooker
MESSAGE:
Anybody have any info, perhaps a manual for these.
The one I picked up has an integrated 5,10,15 weight, you dial your weight with a lever on the lid near the handle. On the opposite side there appears to be an emergency pressure release with a pinhole opening, no weight, unless this is wear a onetime guage sheared off.appears to be 3 quart pressure escapes from lid more than from the weighted opening, doesnt seem to have used a gasket. dont know if this is a defect or how she ticked.patents #2272609 and 2363973
tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD) had posted apout disliking his. are you out there?
Please email me if you have relevant info and i'll check back here.
wyocoyote@prodigy.net
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Post# 33033-9/22/2003-15:15 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Robert, that goes for me too. If it weren't for you we wouldn't have this group in the first place. Your collection is a dream come true and I thank you for sharing it and you're expertise with all of us.
BTW, how's the new house and basement coming? When do we get to see pictures?
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Post# 33034-9/22/2003-15:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Hi guys, don’t worry, I don’t feel in any way, shape or form like I did anything wrong by placing that washer on eBay and it makes absolutely no difference where I actually got that washer from. The true issue here and one that I think should be addressed is that a club member would make a public accusation (as ludicrous as it was) against another member and would do so with such blatantly wrong information.
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Post# 33035-9/22/2003-15:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend finds...at the bottom of the slippery slope! ((boy in washer pic))
MESSAGE: Oh my, if children popped out of washing machines, I wouldn't have a collection of them!
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Post# 33036-9/22/2003-15:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend finds...at the bottom of the slippery slope! (Age Old Question)
MESSAGE: You didn't even mention the wringer washer, and that was to be your house-warming present... I guess I'll keep shopping then.
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Post# 33037-9/22/2003-17:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (It's all good)
MESSAGE: That's the Applianceville Mile High Club... I'm a 4 time member!
-ph
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Post# 33038-9/22/2003-17:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Hi Lesto, the new house is a lot of work to say the least. I just finished painting the basement yesterday, now its onto the water and electrical lines for the washers. Once that is done and the floor is down I can start moving in machines. I have picts hopefully by Thanksgiving.
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Post# 33039-9/22/2003-17:54 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: i am in the chat room now
MESSAGE: Hey guys is 11.53 uk time. that must make it about 5 pm I am in there now so do pop in for a chat hbmuk
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Post# 33040-9/22/2003-18:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses (my2c))
MESSAGE: yea, and I bid on that 50's W&D Westy set and paid $600.00 plus what I thought was a great deal at $150.00 for shipping, even though the interior of the washer fell off its springs and onto itself and the motor during shipping. Not to even mention, pics lie sometimes. I won't even go into it. Lets just say I got taken, but live and learn. That washer may only be good for parts and it weighs a TON and not easy to move. So winning something on ebay is not always as wonderful as it may seem.
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Post# 33041-9/22/2003-19:03 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: I have no proof or source of the information. In fact, I pulled it all out of my own head, and just figured I'd test everybody's reaction. I didn't make that post for any moral reason whats so ever, Unimatic. I only did it to stir up trouble, and to generate some excitement. It was fun!
Oh, by the way. I'm not the one who called the seller. You'll all have to find the "perp" yourselves....
MrCoffee
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Post# 33042-9/22/2003-19:08 ||| MrCoffee (Twin Cities, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (I forgot....)
MESSAGE: Have a great day!
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Post# 33043-9/22/2003-19:15 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (No you don't understand.)
MESSAGE: That is just what I did. I am new to this group, as well as, purchasing my first vintage appliance from e-Bay. No you don’t understand!!! I kept telling myself. Without a doubt I paid top dollar. No you don’t understand!!! I have to have it. Delivery is tomorrow before noon. I have no regrets. There is air in the tires and gas in the tank of my car to get me to the “poor house”. All the way I exclaim. No you don’t understand I have to have it.
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Post# 33044-9/22/2003-19:16 ||| Jimmyl (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: Need key or wiring info for Whirlpool Commercial coin-operated washer
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I’m not sure this item is a “classic”, but here goes anyway.
I just became the proud (?) owner of a 35-cent coin-operated WHIRLPOOL Commercial Automatic Washer for $17 at a factory closing… don’t ask my why they had this in a factory!! It is Stock # CFA250, Model # CFA2500G1 and Serial # C81603228. It did not come with the key to unlock the money compartment, unfortunately, since the factory owner died and I got this at his estate auction. So that is the reason for this post.
Anyway, I just got done testing it by putting in 35 cents, and it works great, although it sure does fill up almost to the top with water, which is a little worry some. The water pump leaks a tiny bit, but I’ll worry about that at another time. It looks like the bottom cover of the pump just comes off when you release the 8 or so little metal clips holding it on… I would suspect that the seal under there probably just needs to be replaced.
Is there anyone out there that would know how to get a hold of the key for this machine, or know who I could contact to have someone come and just open it for me once? I’ll then eliminate the lock, most likely, after replacing it with a simple momentary switch. The current lock used one of those hollow round keys where little grooves are carved into the outer diameter of the key’s shaft… like those locks on most coin-operated devices such as soda and candy machines. I have a Locksmith here in Milwaukee that can create a key from the key code also, so if that is available, that would be fine too.
If anyone has any information about how I can get this lock opened, please respond to this, and then email me at wq2121@hotmail.com, since I don’t read this area very often.
Or if you might know which wires go to that lock that I can get to from the under side of the washer (it has no bottom.. it is just open on the bottom!), let me know. Per the schematic diagram attached to the inside of the panel on the back that exposes the motor area, it would be switch “1”, which has wires BK (black) and V (violet) going to it. The BK one goes to chassis ground, and there is a solid violet one behind the panel that exposes the switch area on the upper back of the washer. But I grounded it, and it didn’t start the washer, so I am bummed. I tried getting the top of the washer to flip back by prying on the front edges of the top, and it came up quite a bit on the front (1 inch or so), but it seems like it must be bolted at the back right side which is the area where the lock and money chamber is… I can’t even get a screwdriver in that area to ply up. If you want to call me at 414-353-7841, I would call you right back on my dime, if that is more convenient.
Take care,
Jim
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Post# 33045-9/22/2003-19:22 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....at the expense of others)
MESSAGE: I rarely post partly because of the unfortunate nonsense that floats over our club at times. However, this behavior is beyond belief and I hope the webmaster has fun deleting your membership. You are no friend dude.
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Post# 33046-9/22/2003-19:30 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: i am in the chat room now
MESSAGE: I'm home tonight and just got through with dinner. Guess I missed you but will catch you another time. :)
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Post# 33047-9/22/2003-19:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....at the expense of others)
MESSAGE: "Treat others as you would want to be treated..."
Wave your magic wand webmaster --- please!
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Post# 33048-9/22/2003-20:02 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: How sad for you. As a nurse of 10 years, I would say you need some counseling because you have "issues". Thank God that folks like you are few and far between in our club. Most of the guys I've met here are kind, willing to help and share their knowledge, and genuine people. I don't begrudge others for what they have ... heck, I wouldn't have gotten my first machine if it weren't for one of these men who wanted to help me start a collection of my own. Because of that, I offered one of my machines to another member for what I paid (I will eat the $380 I paid for shipping) just to pass on the good will that was shown to me. Life's too short to be nasty. The only reason I got annoyed with the situation on ebay was because what the guy did was wrong, which is why I reported him to ebay. That's it, its over and I am still a happy camper. Todd
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Post# 33049-9/22/2003-20:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: Looks like Mr. Coffee has made his last cup in Applianceville.
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Post# 33050-9/22/2003-22:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (FL vs TL)
MESSAGE: I would use a combo if I had the chance. Do they have one or two motors? (I assuming one?) with a blower and a pump?! That would be crazy!
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Post# 33051-9/22/2003-22:06 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....at the expense of others)
MESSAGE: I'll second that one Greg!!
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Post# 33052-9/22/2003-22:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (FL vs TL)
MESSAGE: Cool, Hoover can always make me go "wow"
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Post# 33053-9/22/2003-22:08 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, It does sound like you have been busy. I will be looking forward to seeing those pictures whenever you can share them with us. I know that you are having fun designing your new "playroom".
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Post# 33056-9/23/2003-02:12 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Sad News, Posted on the Sand Box, about Ol' Lonely:
MESSAGE: Hey! Club Member's, I didn't know how to for sure to Link this from here to the Sand Box, so I'm sending this way, to let you know about my Posting on the Sand Box.
Peace, Steve
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Post# 33057-9/23/2003-09:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Need key or wiring info for Whirlpool Commercial coin-operated washer
MESSAGE: There are 3 major manufacturers of coin boxes: ESD, Greenwald, and Monarch. Most will have their name stamped on the front. ESD boxes usually have a mirror smooth surface to them. Greenwald has a grid pattern on theirs, and Monarch has a kind of bevelled pyramid thing for theirs. Fot the lock, does it look like it takes a round, barrel key or more of regular straight key?
Flip side is that you really need to have a key number in order to get a key for the lock. Coin box manufacturers don't give out keys to people who call them!!!
Email me with more of a description and I'll see if I can help.
-ph
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Post# 33058-9/23/2003-10:38 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Out-of-Balance Kenmore
MESSAGE: Hi guys! This may be a Repair 101 question for most of you, but I'm merely an admirer, not a restorer, of vintage machines. A friend has a mid-'70's Kenmore washer which seems to go out of balance at the slighest provocation. The tub moves a lot even during agitation. Is it the 'snubber' that keeps the tub stable or does he need to look elsewhere?
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Post# 33059-9/23/2003-11:21 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Out-of-Balance Kenmore
MESSAGE: Since this is a 70's machine, the snubber may have detergent on the tub ring.
1. Lift the top to access the basket by using a putty knife to push 2 clips on the front of cabinet or you can open the lid and pull the top toward you and lift to get inside.
2 The snubber can be found on the right rear top of the basket, just pull the wire up and remove the snubber and clean that area from oil and detergents.
3. Take snubber and ruff it up on a brick surface to remove the smoothness then replace and lock the top back on the base of the cabinet.
I hope that this will help!
Please take time and give us the model number(110.xxxxxxxx) so we can help you further if necessary!
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Post# 33060-9/23/2003-11:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Out-of-Balance Kenmore
MESSAGE: Yes, that snubber that presses down on the tub ring located at the rear right hand corner should be checked first. The spring pressure might have become weaker over the years or the underside of the snubber is greasy and needs to be cleaned and possibly lightly sanded.
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Post# 33061-9/23/2003-12:13 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....at the expense of others)
MESSAGE: Well, this Friday I will celebrate my 1-year anniversary on the Applianceville site. Although I currently don't have a collection of appliances (other than our daily use ones), I have collected "vicariously" through all of you, listening and reading about rebuilding rollermatics, wiring Whirlpools, swapping pulleys on Speed Queens and having "wash-ins". I've had a blast!! It's a lunchtime ritual at my office to read the posts and look at the PODs. I myself don't post much, but enjoying reading about your collections. Bob, we DO owe you a great deal of thanks. John Wayne once said "don't let the bastards get you down". In the year I've been a member I've seen some less-than-savory exchanges among members, like this whole e-Bay thing. The whole intent here was to, if you'll pardon the indescretion, "stir shit", and he succeeded. Let stuff like this ride...focus on the good stuff. The more we dwell on the negative, the more the person who started the stirring wins.
Hang tight and God willing I will see you all at a wash-in.
Now get to work on the Cybermuseum!! (LOL)
Dave
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Post# 33062-9/23/2003-13:31 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: Yay. Now we can get back to the same old grind of vintage appliances and relative trust, harmony, and adventure.
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Post# 33063-9/23/2003-13:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....at the expense of others)
MESSAGE: Dave, congrats on putting up with us for a year. Look forward to meeting you some day at a wash-in. Bob
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Post# 33064-9/23/2003-14:34 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Agitator cap needed
MESSAGE: ... for a 1951 ABC-O-Matic washer. Pics to come soon...
-ph
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Post# 33065-9/23/2003-14:43 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: Bob, if youre gonna discuss Harmony, shouldnt it be in the sandbox??? SteveD
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Post# 33066-9/23/2003-15:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: (GE)eee, I'm not sure. If laundry is child's play, then I guess it should be.
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Post# 33067-9/23/2003-17:50 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: chat room
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I am in the chat room now if any one wants to join me as a guide its now 11.50 pm uk time http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 33068-9/23/2003-19:41 ||| The-evil-ebayer (Philadelphia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: Here's the amazing thing. I have just read all of the posts on this board, beginnng with the one announcing the sale of my washer on ebay. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. Every one of you. But I have to say that you, Todd, are the only one who let his own hypocrisy turn to malicious intent if you did what you say you did and tried to report me to ebay for what you incorrectly think about what I did with my washer. The fact of the matter is that I sold to someone through another website who I had been in contact with before I even listed on ebay, someone who I believe is not even associated with your website, but who I just told to take a look at your posts if he wanted to see pettiness exhibited to the point of being borderline hilarious.
You say that what I did was wrong? Well, I would have to say that what you and everyone else on your website did was wrong. Each one of you sent me an email while my listing was still up asking me to take the listing down and sell the washer to you for very small sums. I believe you, Todd, offered me $400.00 if I would sell it to you behind Ebay's back. Most of you tried to get me to sell it for $250.00. I really hope ebay comes asking me questions about this incident because I have every email you all sent me saved for just such an occasion. Now you can all go tremble in fear of the mighty EBAY.
What is funny is that the person I sold this washer to, besides not even knowing about the listing on ebay and all of the excitement it was causing, was not even the one who offered the highest price. He just happened to be the one person who was the most up-front about what it was worth and what he was willing to pay. He has a beautiful collection which you could see on his website and I believe he is a true collector. Without a doubt, I would have gotten much more for this machine if I had left it on ebay, but then it would have probably gone to one of you. I like my way better.
I laugh to think that one day he will probably sell it and one of you will buy it for much more than he paid for it and you will never know that it was the one that you hated me for.
There was a lot of mis-information being posted on this site, some of it, I admit was my own creation because I wanted to double check the information I was being given, but some of it was amazingly enough, fabrication by some of your members. Wherever did you come up with the $650.00 figure? Just to give your hearts a thump, I sold it for less than that, even though I was offered much more by some of you.
If any of you are interested in knowing what the other members offered me for the machine, I would be happy to forward their emails along to you. The best therapy for a greedy mind is public exposure of that greed.
You should all remember that you hold privileged information here and you can be revellers and spread your joy and knowledge of these machines, or you can become misers and thieves. You really are the beginning of a club that will surely grow in the future. These machines have a tremendous amount of sentimental value for people from all walks of life. This is a responsibility in that you will influence those who follow inthis club. Choose your actions carefully.
Peace.
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Post# 33069-9/23/2003-20:37 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: ok..... was I smoking crack and missed the point here??????? Don't you dare come in here and say things like "all of you" or "every one of you" when they are gross exaggerations... at least be man enough to address this issue in a responsible way. I am glad you sold your machine to someone you want to have it, bravo for you... if you have issues with any individual here, then take it up with them, or contact the webmaster. Perhaps you should apologize to the other 175 plus members of this club who you insulted. And "privledged information"??? **news flash ** its just a damn washing machine... Feel free to contact ME at smd54_12208@yahoo.com if you feel the need to rag on someone (you dont scare me). SteveD
oh..... and why would we hate you????
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Post# 33070-9/23/2003-20:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: "Peace."
I really have to wonder who this is...
I won't make assumptions though. I don't see why it matters to you and to us what you set the price at and what you changed the price to. If you think you could get someone to buy it at 650, and if there is someone who would buy it for that much, then wtf is the problem? If both people agreed that 650 was a resonable price, why do we make a fuss?
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Post# 33071-9/23/2003-20:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: Ya I agree about that. I learned from a mistake I made earlier about talking about people as a group. This person should have responded to each person individually as you said, oh well, not a big deal.
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Post# 33072-9/23/2003-20:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: Oy just when I thought a nice calm had settle over Applianceville.
OK Mr. Evil-Ebayer, I will take you up on your offer of having all those emails forwarded to me. Something smells fishy about this whole thing. Please forward all those emails that "each-one" of us supposedly sent to you.
By the way Mr. Evil I record every IP-address, remote_host, server_admin and server_name as well as a few other choice pieces of info that Perl's environment variables have to offer when anyone logs-in. Your IP address does not match a router from the Philadelphia Metropolitan area. As a matter of fact, seeing where the IP address supposedly originates from makes me even more suspicious.
Forward those emails onto me at webmaster@classicappliances.com and I will take a look, do not copy them into one big email, forward each one separately so I can verify the incoming source.
Signed, the eagerly awaiting webmaster.
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Post# 33073-9/23/2003-20:52 ||| The-evil-ebayer (Philadelphia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: Okay. You are right. I should apologize. I was not contacted by many of you. I did not realize how many of you are on this website. I referred to you as a group because all I knew of your group is the people who contacted me. I made a mistake there. I apologize.
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Post# 33074-9/23/2003-20:58 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: thank you
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Post# 33075-9/23/2003-21:01 ||| The-evil-ebayer (Philadelphia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Oh, but it was so much fun....)
MESSAGE: tcox6912, Todd,
Since you were man enough to send me those emails just now, attacking me, but not man enough to hear my explanation, and blocked my emails, I will post my response here. Maybe you will read it, maybe you will not. I really don't care at this point. Here was my response:
Todd,
You must remember that you threw the first stone here. I may have misled you as far as my words were concerned, but beleive me when I tell you that the only thing I was trying to extort from you was information. Maybe it seems I did it in an underhanded fashion, but I had not gotten any straight answers from anyone to my questions as to why this machine was garnering so much attention. The email I sent to you was a duplicate of the same email I sent to everyone who had sent me a request to sell them my machine without letting the auction play out. You may have made up your mind that I am evil, and that is fine by me, we will probably never cross paths again. But if you are looking for someone to blame for the way things went with this washer, look to the conduct of your own group.
Michael
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Post# 33076-9/23/2003-21:09 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (You Cheated eBay)
MESSAGE: If you had an interested party in the washer, why did you even bother to list it on eBay? Since you have bought/sold on eBay before, you know that you have a contract with them to pay a percentage on what you sell. You listed an item on eBay in good faith but did not sell it in the same good faith. I, too, sent you an email to which you responded so that I could forward it to eBay. I am a reputable buyer/seller with a 100% positive feedback rating. I report all instances like this one to them.
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Post# 33077-9/23/2003-21:20 ||| The-evil-ebayer (Philadelphia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (You Cheated eBay)
MESSAGE: I had been trying to get in touch with a couple of buyers before I decided to list it on ebay. None of them responded. I decided I would have to list it on ebay. Then one of the buyers I had contacted before responded. Now, ebay did not help me get this buyer. I paid ebay the money for the listing, and if I had sold to a buyer who was found through ebay you can be sure that ebay would have gotten the final fee. As ebay did not have anything to do with the final sale, they are not entitled to the money. There are many instances of ebay listings that get cancelled for the same reason. Take the multitude of used car dealers who list on ebay. Many of them leave their cars on the lot for sale and if they sell off the lot, they cancel the auction. That is the way it works. If ebay had found me the buyer and I did this, then yes, I would have been cheating ebay, but that's not what happened.
That is at least my understanding of the way ebay works.
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Post# 33078-9/23/2003-21:22 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Tiny Bubbles...)
MESSAGE: This is such a fun "community" to belong to, because it's just exactly like the type of programming the group SHOULD be emulating: a soap opera! I call it "All My Washers".
Instead of unwed mothers/anonymous fathers, we have drama over the "adoption" of a washing machine. Instead of weddings, we have rebuilding of old appliances. Instead of huge corporate take-overs, we have E-Bay.
Like any other community, we have the "haves" and the "have nots"--some have a dozen machines or more, others have none. We have all the social "isms" battling it out from time to time. But, even so, here in Pine (Sol) Valley, life bubbles along like a phosphate-choked creekbed in Suburbia on a Monday morning. So once again it's time to hang our soapy little issues out to dry...
And now, a word from our sponsor, "Activator Back On Topic":
I'd like to sell my white, spiral-vane style mini-basket, fabric softener dispenser, and Filter-Flo© "hat" from a circa 1980-something G.E. if anyone's interested.
Stay tuned for "Days of Our Dryers" coming up next.
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Post# 33079-9/23/2003-21:46 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (For what its worth...)
MESSAGE: I am new to the group and am not certain as to what is going on. My thanks to you group members that were so very kind to have contacted me with congratulations, information, recommendations and helpful tips.
I am beginning my collection of vintage DW. The first was delivered to me today. A never been used before brand “new” 54 year old 1949 GE round shaped, top loading portable. The “maiden wash” was a success. My discovering it was meant to be. I am fascinated with the design and semi automatic operation. I would not have been blessed with such good fortune had it not been for you website comrades. Thanks.
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Post# 33080-9/23/2003-21:58 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (For what its worth...)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on finding such an interesting and unusual machine. I have seen pictures of these and I think an instruction card was posted somewhere or other at some point and I got an idea as to the semi-automatic operation.
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Post# 33081-9/23/2003-22:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (For what its worth...)
MESSAGE: Hey Partycycle, yay for hearing about something nice today. That's what Applianceville is really (and always was) about. Have you given your new dishwasher its first run yet? Any chance of posting a picture for us?
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Post# 33082-9/23/2003-23:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (For what its worth...)
MESSAGE: Congratulations from me too. Thrilled the maiden sea-worthy voiyage was so successful. And with the semi-automatic, you can run a wash or rinse cycle to your heart's content.
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Post# 33083-9/23/2003-23:07 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: The Evil E-Bayer:
MESSAGE: I believe that in my opinion and I hope that I'm backed up with many other's that this "The Evil E-Bayer" should be immediately and permanently "Banned" from our Classic Appliance Club Site as with the Soap Box Site and any other related Site's as well.
Regards, Steve "Sacto Teddy Bear"
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Post# 33084-9/23/2003-23:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Recent Unfortunate Posts
MESSAGE: Hey everyone, I just wanted everyone out there to relax and rest easy tonight. I decided to delete the posts from this person as he was saying terrible things about one of us, but it is obvious that Mr. Evil is not "one of us" and we should stand-by our true members. While the routers from IP addresses can get bounced around a bit, I'm pretty sure he's not from metropolitan Philadelphia, and each time he logs in I get a bit more routing info, lets move south a bit shall we. He did email me, but he seems more concerned about how I can tell who he is and where he is from than forwarding me those emails. To make a long story short, I'm not convinced that this person truly is the ebay seller as he claims. His email is freethestates@aol.com which for some strange reason rings a bell, but I can't put my finger on it. Anyone out there in Applianceville recognize this email address?
Peace to Applianceville
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Post# 33085-9/24/2003-05:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid/Kenmore dishwashers (combo washer-dryer complexity)
MESSAGE: I've never seen inside a Duo-Matic, I DID see inside a Kenmore (Whirlpool) combo from mid 60's and had the parts list and GOD was it complicated! And this was the ELECTRIC version, which is simpler than the gas version! It did have some kind of transmission, as I recall. It also had a cool thing is that a stream of water was pumped from an outlet just to the right of the door opening that hit the clothes as they tumbled down from the top of the cylinder. There also was some kind of mechanism that would engage the dryer blower fan when the drying phase started, it didn't run during the wash/rinse phases and there was no separate motor to drive it. Sure wish I had it today when I'm better at understanding things.
I've noticed over the years that the sounds a front loading makes when it shifts into spin are as varied among brands as TL machines
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Post# 33086-9/24/2003-05:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Out-of-Balance Kenmore (snubber)
MESSAGE: Yes, it probably is the snubber, check it out.
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Post# 33087-9/24/2003-05:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay ("
All My Washers"
& "
Days of Our Dryers"
soaps)
MESSAGE: Now THAT was funny! I was laughing for 10 minutes at that!
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Post# 33088-9/24/2003-09:12 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: The Recent Unfortunate Posts
MESSAGE: Robert....if he has an AOL address, you can certainly try to report him to AOL for Terms of Service violations. I don't know how the whole process would work, but they do take security seriously. All they need is the screen name to match it to the accountholder and voila...AOL requires credit card billing, so they'll have a name and address on file, or at least a location.
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Post# 33089-9/24/2003-10:15 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: what utter crap, ethics has nothing to do with it. If a family has a sale of a close member of a loved one whos passed over. And an Item is sold for a higher value, then ok so its unfortunate then you take risks in anything like if like that. Good god man you take risks when you step out your own door, accept it pal s--t happens so get over it
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Post# 33090-9/24/2003-10:17 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (Glass Houses)
MESSAGE: that should of said life is like that, you take risks when you step out your own door
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Post# 33091-9/24/2003-10:27 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Rollermatic Mechanism
MESSAGE: being that I'm not fortunate enough to own one of these machines yet (due to lack of space), I was wondering if anyone has a video of the "mechanism" of the Rollermatic machine running? I even bought the Repair Master, and I'm trying to figure out how the rotational movement of the agitate roller and drum equate to the up-and-down motion of the agitate shaft.
Thanks,
Dave
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Post# 33092-9/24/2003-10:56 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay
MESSAGE: I agree! Hilariously written...Though the attempts to besmirch reputations on this site were NOT funny. A lot of suds were being generated there for awhile...We all know that too many suds = little cleaning power. Fortunately, Robert came along cleaned up the whole mess (Perhaps using Tide w/ bleach- perhaps a vintage powder).
I guess it is hard for me to understand why folks such as Mr. Evil and Mr.Coffee seem to have the need to be such a--h--es! Hmmm...perhaps one should be cautious if some prefaces his handle with "Mr."!
Duane
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Post# 33093-9/24/2003-11:05 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire WO-65 on Ebay (a hunch )
MESSAGE: Is Mr Evil masquerading as Mr Coffee or vice versa, now guys theres a thought
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Post# 33094-9/24/2003-12:21 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Out-of-Balance Kenmore Out-of Balance No More!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the repair advice, guys. Removed and roughed up the underside of the snubber, then cleaned some slimy gunk from the metal plate under the snubber. Voila! Good as new.
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Post# 33095-9/24/2003-12:48 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: Re: Gordon Jump, "Ol' Lonely"
MESSAGE: Gordon Jump of "WKRP" and Maytag Ad fame dies at 71:
By LYNN ELBER, AP Television Writer
Last Updated 5:45 p.m. PDT Monday, September 22, 2003 LOS ANGELES (AP)
Gordon Jump, who played a befuddled radio station manager on the sitcom "WKRP in Cincinnati" and made his mark in commercials as the lonely Maytag repairman, died Monday. He was 71.Jump suffered from a condition called pulmonary fibrosis, said his cousin, Katherine Jump Wagner. The illness involves scarring of the air sacs of the lungs, leading to heart or respiratory failure.
Katherine Jump Wagner of Arcanum, Ohio, said she learned of her cousin's death from her father, also named Gordon Jump. Her cousin was under hospice care and is believed to have died at his home in Coto de Caza, she said.The upscale community is southeast of Los Angeles in Orange County.Jump portrayed the Maytag repairman "Ol' Lonely," a well-recognized advertising symbol, from 1989 until he retired from the role in July and actor Hardy Rawls took over.From 1967-88, Jesse White played the repairman who never gets a service call because of Maytag's reliability. White died in 1997 at age 79."Gordon was an incredibly talented actor and a remarkable human being," said Ralph Hake, chairman and chief executive officer of Maytag Corp. "It was natural for him to project an image of warmth, caring, dependability, respect and humor, because that's exactly the kind of person he was. ... We will miss him dearly."Jump came to appreciate the attention he got for the ad campaign and the steady work it provided, Wagner said. But his heart was elsewhere professionally."What he loved more than anything was doing theater. He was a marvelous actor," she said, recalling a visit to Florida to watch him perform in "Norman, Is That You?"Jump played Arthur Carlson in "WKRP in Cincinnati," which aired on CBS from 1978-82 and featured Gary Sandy, Loni Anderson, Tim Reid and Howard Hesseman as the ragtag station's crew.A native of Dayton, Ohio, Jump began his career working at radio and TV stations in the Midwest. He worked behind the microphone and the camera, including jobs as a producer for Kansas and Ohio stations.He began his Hollywood career after moving to Los Angeles in 1963, appearing on series including "Daniel Boone," "Get Smart" and "The Partridge Family."His dramatic roles included a part in the TV movie "Ruby and Oswald," about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, and "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes."Jump is survived by his wife, Betty; daughters, Cindy, Kiva, Maggi Jo and Laura and one son, Chris, Maytag said in a statement. He also had a brother, Wagner said. Funeral services were pending Monday.
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Post# 33096-9/24/2003-14:12 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: Just barely on topic:
MESSAGE: I was just wondering if any of you know of good groups, clubs, communities or sites that share/promote enthusiasm for other VINTAGE (there's the on-topic part!) things, such as
> cars
> TV shows
> food/beverage items
> etc.
I can always use a search engine, but I'd really prefer to get recommendations from within a group whose enthusiasm I share and believe in.
Because of my age (45) I'm mainly interested in the fifty year span from 1920-1970, inclusive.
Thanks...
Mark (the Activator)
liveforartman@yahoo.com
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Post# 33097-9/24/2003-16:16 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT: Is it Safe?
MESSAGE: My what a flurry over that Frigidaire WO-65 on ebay!
I visit this site often and always enjoy hearing about everyone's finds or learning about how to repair a certain problem. Isn't this supposed to be a fun & informational website to share our love for and knowledge of vintage appliances?
Anyway, I'm not getting on a soapbox but wish we could all play nice and focus on the wonderful world of classic appliances!
I'm in the process of moving from rural northern California to Phoenix, AZ and am extremely excited about the number of used appliance stores to check out down here. I'll keep you all posted and will try to figure out how to post pics of my finds!
Peace.
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Post# 33098-9/24/2003-18:51 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: More classic goodies...
MESSAGE: I needed a quick break so I went out back to the graveyard. What was sitting there but a lovely old GE mobile maid finished in a very light coppertone/tan with a top that mimics mosaic tile. It has the early vertical spray type mechanism. There are chrome buttons that you push to select cycles, open the lid or add "Rinse-Glo" Since I am on the verge of my move to Hawaii, I cannot take such a thing with me. But I opened this clean little machine up and there were the instuctions!! So of course, I am keeping those. Model # is SM501a3. This is a deluxe version of the toploader I used to have.
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Post# 33099-9/24/2003-21:01 ||| Allondon (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Martha Washington Oven
MESSAGE: I reside in L.A., CA. I have a Martha Washington oven, that I am guessing is from about the mid 1950's. It needs to be serviced, but the regular appliance company I deal with, says they do not have a way of servicing it, and that I need a whole new oven. Being that the size of the Washington unit is a built-in and much smaller than today's newer other brand units, I am desperately trying to find someione is So. Cal that has one for sale. It certainly is not xpected to be new, but can be re-built/re-furbished. Please reply to alanlondon@adelphia.net
Thank you,
Alan
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Post# 33100-9/24/2003-22:11 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Martha Washington Oven
MESSAGE: One of my parents homes built in 1964 had Martha Washington built-ins (wall oven, cooktop, exhaust hood -- in turquoise!). One other home in town from about the same period also had that brand. I thought it was regional to this area, interesting to hear of it way out on the west coast.
But, sorry, I don't have any source for parts. :-(
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Post# 33101-9/24/2003-23:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies...
MESSAGE: Hi Partscounterman, thanks for the DW tip, if it was just a bit older I would come and take a look. Is there a particular day of the week that is best to come and hunt around for vintage machines in the back alley of your appliance store? Such as the day before the trash collector comes when there are the most possible appliances?
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Post# 33102-9/25/2003-10:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Humorous nod to the classics in today's paper-look what they're calling classic at the end!
MESSAGE: Backfence
James Lileks, Star Tribune
Published September 25, 2003
Our washing machine and dryer are doing just fine, and thanks for asking. But I do wish they'd die. We are years behind in modern washday technology, friends. Years behind. The last time I took a look at the new models, I was annoyed that feature-glut had struck the humble tumbler. All washing machines I've ever known had two sets of simple settings. Large, medium, small for the size of the load. (In college, it was always large; you tamped that stuff in like commuters in a Tokyo subway.) The temperature settings: hot, cold, and that mysterious warm. Cold was for colors, which you remembered because they both began with C. Hot was for whites, which you remembered because your mother had written that on your arm with a Sharpie last time you were home. But what was warm for? It's such a morally ambiguous temperature. You suspect that the UN Security Council would approve of setting the dial to WARM, but refuse to vote on closing the lid and pushing START. What to do?
My wife has tried for years to get me to understand these distinctions on an instinctive level, but it just doesn't take. Same with the rinse temps. OK, you set it on hot wash, but warm rinse --
Whoa, whoa, hold on. This is getting ridiculous. Just throw my clothes away. I'll buy new ones.
So I was both heartened and chastened when I saw the New Breed of Washers at Best Buy. Touchscreen panels preloaded with a thousand preset Stain Profiles! Internet-enabled machines that download solutions for dissolving those stubborn blood stains! Yea, a new age is upon us. Let us compare and contrast:
The old days. Put clothes in washer. Add soap powder, preferably one with a catchy name like DUZ or BIZ or SPAZ. Turn dial. Go across the street to the Valli Pub. Two hours into a pinball marathon, remember you had laundry going. Return to laundromat. Find your clothes soaking in a basket. Avoid making eye contact with everyone, since someone here did this, and whoever they are they are not happy about scooping your wet underwear out of the machine, OK?
The new days. Wife comes home to find that everything in the white load is pink, because you threw one of Toddler™'s socks into the load. Oh my stars! you say. The washer must have downloaded that SoRedD virus that's been going around.
Ah, the Internet. Who would we blame without it.
I bring this up for a reason: we got a flier in the mail from a local appliance store hawking a sale on a cheap Frigidaire washer. The feature set included -- and I'm serious -- "cycle-ending alert." In other words, it buzzes when it's done -- as opposed to the newfangled machines that download an MP3 from KaZaA and blast 50 Cent's latest through the home sound system, I suppose. But I smiled when I saw this:
"Classic appearance."
Those four simple knobs? It's not an outdated machine. It's not a noisy old brute that sounds like you're washing cinderblocks. It's a classic washing machine. If you're selling your house, keep this in mind. "The appliances are all classic," you'll say. And if you get puzzled looks, add: "Retro styling."
Ahhhhhhhh. Nods of approval. That's very popular these days.
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Post# 33103-9/25/2003-10:57 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE: Our scrapper does not come on any sort of regular basis. Some times my boss has to call and yell at him to pick up. You may also wanna take a look at the Norge time-line dryer back there. I forgot to mention it in my post last night. Our store is at 800 White Bear ave. in St. Paul. I will be there tonight(9/25) from 4-8pm and sat 9-5 and sun 12-4. You don't have to go when I'm there, but it would be cool to meet you. Jusst let the guys in the store know you wanna poke around back there and David said you could. Our installer just dumped a bunch of old built in dishwashers that he claims all work, but the market for used built-in dishwashers is so limited we're just dumpin' them all:(
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Post# 33104-9/25/2003-11:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE: Hey David, thanks for the info. I actually stopped in to meet you a few saturday's back but you were out of town that weekend. Everyone in the store was very nice, I'm not used to getting such warm receptions at appliance stores when I tell them what I'm looking for and they said I was welcome to check out the back for vintage machines. I will try to stop in again this saturday. Any chance that the Norge Time-Line dryer is a match to my washer?
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MUSEUM/Norge/1956-Norge-TimeLine/1956-Norge-Exterior.jpg
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Post# 33105-9/25/2003-11:28 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE: I don't remember exactly but it sure did look similar
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Post# 33106-9/25/2003-12:51 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE: Maybe all us locals should converge on the store this Saturday!
Robert have you seen or at least seen pics of John's latest Bendix he restored (his dream machine)? Sure looks good!
Jim
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Post# 33107-9/25/2003-13:18 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard)-scene of a flash mob!)
MESSAGE: Oh, now that would be fun! I hope to god our ever tardy scrapper don't show up!!! Its my last week there, so a flash mob of appliance collectors would be kindofa gas. My partner left for Maui last sunday and I've been bored out of my mind anyway (Windowless Big-Name Front loader ya know)
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Post# 33108-9/25/2003-14:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE: Oh my goodness, did he go out to San Francisco to get that 1956 Bendix Duomatic, that was at the top of his "must-find" list?
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Post# 33109-9/25/2003-14:37 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard)-scene of a flash mob!)
MESSAGE: Name the time!
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Post# 33110-9/25/2003-14:40 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE:
No, he had it shipped here and it wasn't cheap! I saw it in his garage in the before restoration stage, then in some great pics a couple weeks ago which he sent me online. He's very happy to finally have his fantasy frontloader!
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Post# 33111-9/25/2003-14:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Humorous nod to the classics in today's paper-look what they're calling classic at the end!
MESSAGE: A new Frigidaire is a classic? YIKES!
How about an OLD frigidaire. I guess he never saw a pulsator at work before.
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Post# 33112-9/25/2003-14:50 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard) John's Bendix :)
MESSAGE: Hey! Guy's, what's John's Club name, so we can all check out his Pix's of his Bendix finding?
Thanks, Steve
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Post# 33113-9/25/2003-15:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE: Ohhhh, can you share the picture with the rest of us, or is it top secret?
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Post# 33114-9/25/2003-16:07 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard)-scene of a flash mob!)
MESSAGE: NUTZ!!!! I got in tonight and discovered the scrapper came and took all the lovliness away. D%* S*&^% F%&^*
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Post# 33115-9/25/2003-17:00 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: HELP
MESSAGE: can you possibly diagnose this for me please
1 my washers agitator starts as soon as I turn it on and will not stop till its full
2 it will only fill half way even though its turned on for a full load
3 the agitator is only supposed to start when the washer is full
now a slight burning smell is coming from the machine
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Post# 33116-9/25/2003-17:02 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: HELP
MESSAGE: IF YOU CAN HELP I AM IN THE CHAT ROOM NOW
http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/appchat.html
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Post# 33117-9/25/2003-17:05 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard)-scene of a flash mob!)
MESSAGE: Nuts
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Post# 33118-9/25/2003-17:07 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: More classic goodies... ((the graveyard))
MESSAGE: I'll ask John if it's okay to foward the pics to you (Robert), then you can figure out the best way to publicly display.
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Post# 33119-9/25/2003-17:54 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: It's all about the Karma guys....lemme splain what I mean
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
I know that the situation has been rather heated around here, and thankfully it has subsided. I want to tell you all a situation that happened to me when I bought a Rex-Air Model A and two other cleaners,about three years ago.I have always liked vintage vacuum cleaners. As of today when I counted them, I have a grand total of 33 uprights, and 19 canisters. (Sidebar...I diddn't really notice vintage washers until I found my 66' Lady K's about two and a half years ago atmy old work).
I used to go to this obscure vacuum store owned by an older gentleman in Lake Mi, which is about 30 minutes west and south of Clare. From my house that's about an hour and a half. He had SEVERAL old vacuum cleaners. This guy had sold me several of those old vacuum cleaners over the years including a 1953 Air-Way Sanitizor 77, a Kenmore Ken-Cart from 1957, a Bee Vac upright from about 1933, a 1918 Apex Straight suction upright to name just a few that he has supplied/sold me over the years.
One Wendesday in June, as I said about three years ago, I recieved a call from this gentlemans wife ( I will not give names here) that he had suddenly passed of heart failure. He kept a picture that I had taken with all my restored gems that he sold me over about six or so years. On the back of this photo was my name and phone number, with a message scrawled to him..."If you find any gems, call me and I'll pay you fair".
Because of this, he always liked me and ALWAYS had an oldie when I would go to visit him. I would usually spend the day with him and we would fix/rebuild an oldie before I would leave for home about 7-8 at night, and before I left, we would hammer out a "fair" price, and I would pay, then we would say our goodbyes till the next time, then I would leave.
So she said to me on the phone telling me that she wanted to rid herself of the last three old vacuums that he had at his store..( she was cleaning it out because she was NOT going to continue the buisness). She roll called them as if they were sent from the good lord himself...
1. A 1941 Hoover model 61 Upright w/ original bag and tools.
2. A 1960 Lewyt Electronic w/ powerhead...the VERY first canister vac in the industry to have a powerhead.
3. A 1936 Rex-Air Model A with ALL attachments.
I took off that Saturday and met with his now widowed wife, and we set forth hammering out a deal for all three cleaners. She finally looked at me and said...Chad, I have NO idea what these machines are worth. What would "he" have asked you to pay for them.Before I go on let me tell you a little about old vacuum cleaners for those who are still interested...
A Hoover model 61 with an original bag, and all the attachments can sell very easily on E-bay for anywhere from $75-150.00 to 250.00. Mr X always told me that he wanted 50.00 for it, but only for me, anyone else who wanted it would have to pay double $100.00.
A 1960 Lewyt Model 111 Electronic Upright Canister Cleaner, was because of it's design the very first "workable" powerhead on a canister vacuum cleaner. About a year ago on e-bay, one sold for about 150.00 and there wasn't even a powerhead to go with it. Mr X. always told me that If i was interested I had to pay $125.00 for it, someone else double 250.00.
A Rexair Model A- Well being that the machine was the VERY first Rexair, prelude to the current Rainbow E series cleaner of today, and having no scratches, all the original attachments and worked properly can sell on e-bay or between collectors from anywhere from $100.00 to 500.00 Mr X always told me that this one would cost me $200.00 if I wanted it, double for anyone else 400.00.
So let me take you back to where I was talking to Mrs X, and tell you what I did. I looked at Mrs X. and without batting an eye said I give you $75.00 for all of them. She looked at me sideways and said is that all? How about $125.00.....after a pause I said Ok. Without a "conscious" thought in my head I loaded up those cleaners and drove away for the last time from Mr X's vacuum cleaner shop.
Now for those who are still following let's do the math..
What did Mr X want for all of the machines that I described.
Answer= $375.00
What did the devious Mr Chad pay for all of them?
Answer= $125.00
What did I screw out of ol lady X?
Answer=250.00
So I got home unloaded my treasures that I scammed for $250.00 less than what was asked for them, thought I was king stuff, and went out to work on them and clean them up to put in my showroom at the back of the garage.In my old garage, there was a smaller section behind the two car part that was at one time a screened in porch. I walled in the screens, and installed a heating system, for the garage and porch. I built up the floor so it was off of the concrete and installed nice carpeting. From there I built grandstand like kickups carpeted to display my cleaners on. I installed a drop ceiling and added in huge flourecent lights.
I put the new finds in there with about 18 other machines. Most of them were in a room that I had like what I described in my besement. One week to the day later that Saturday night, I was awakened to the smell of smoke filling my house...I walked around, and looked out my kitchen window and my garage was on fire.
I immediatly dialed 911 and asked them to send the fire dept. They were there in like 5-6 mins or so, but the garage had been totally consumed by the fire. I was worried becasuse embers were hitting the roof of my house and starting to burn as well. My partner was out of the house...and as we stared from the entrance/front yard area of the driveway all I could think of was that those three vacuum cleaners that were so rare and so valuable trapped in there besides the other ones that were in there.
The fire department did extinguish the blaze and saved my house from becoming part of the casualty. But all the vacuums were destroyed, along with things in my garage like my mower, my model car collection..and etc. All my cars were in the drive so they were moved right quick by me to the street.
(Sidebar)Just before I went to sleep that night, I had went out to play and use the Rexair that I had got out of the devious deal. What I forgot was that I had left plugged in that very 1936 Rexair that I so badly wanted, and it shorted out, causing a fire to start in the older wiring that was originally in the garage.
Do you think that It was a coincidence?
To finish it up, when my brother came with his demiolition crew ( I hired him and a couple buddy's to help tear down and get rid of the old garage) my family was there too. About an hour after they started, my brother came up to me and handed me a small oval medallion with the name Rex-Air on it. Chad almost shit himself right then and there...
Think Karma was dealing me a blow?
Karma will reward those who do good, and those who dop bad suffer terrible consequences. So as I read the whole WO-65 Frigidaire piece that took up several days worth of club time, I just thought to myself what happened to me when I screwed over/with another person.
Just a thought for all of you when you feel like doing it to another..Just rememeber the real things that can happen to you in retort for your selfishness,.
Yours
Chad
P.S i only had about 20 machines left after that fire. None were salvageable. The garage was rebuilt, I collected more vacuums but that old tag with the Fire Charred Rex-Air logo on it still hangs above my workbench to remind my less honest person to be honest. It ALWAYS works out for the best.
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Post# 33120-9/25/2003-18:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Humorous nod to the classics in today's paper-look what they're calling classic at the end!
MESSAGE: Well, not a classic but "classic appearance" which I also disagree with. Any washer to be named classic had to have shiny metal knobs, porceline on steel basket (not the plastic crap) and a console shaped something other than a rectangle.
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Post# 33121-9/25/2003-18:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP
MESSAGE: Bad WLC? Bad timer? Those are my guesses. And it STOPS agitating when it fills fully? (well not fully but halfway)
Perhaps wires are on in the wrong places?
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Post# 33122-9/25/2003-18:37 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: serious problem
MESSAGE: the 1st spin was fine, then as the break went to engage the machine broke VERY VIOLENTLY, the motor was supposed to stop it didnt so as the break engaged from the spin the agigtator started up again with no water, now by this time the agitator, was going the water was running in but being pumped out after a minute or so the machine clicked over to the main spin Oh i for got as the machine broke from the 1st spin there was a rubbery type burning smell what the hell is going on with it HELP
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Post# 33123-9/25/2003-19:31 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: serious problem (water inlet valve )
MESSAGE: I have a horrible feeling that it could be one of the inlet valves failing yet again, I dont know about the wireing like kurt and steve suggested. I dunno, maybe the engineer can shed some light on it when he calls yet again, all I know is I am getting just a tad peed of with this machine. I will ask him to ensure the repairs are made good, which I know he will. Or I ask him for a replacement machine, the old girl is still under warentee. So the same applies repair or replace, regards to one and all. Its good to know we now have piece on applianceville, I do hope it stays that way for a long time.
regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 33124-9/25/2003-21:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: serious problem (water inlet valve )
MESSAGE: I don't think it can be the water valve since they either
1. don't open
2. stay open
3. drip water in all the time
But it could be a bad water level control or maybe even a stuck timer contact?
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Post# 33125-9/25/2003-23:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: It's all about the Karma guys....lemme splain what I mean (garage electrical fire)
MESSAGE: Just out of curiosity, why didn't a fuse blow or a circuit breaker trip in your electrical panel when the short occured? I've found that people who still have fuses will tend to overfuse a circuit but even those will blow on a dead short (though not on an overload when they should)
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Post# 33126-9/25/2003-23:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: It's all about the Karma guys....lemme splain what I mean (garage electrical fire)
MESSAGE: It probably started AT the machine as a hot spot VS starting in the walls from overheated wiring. The vacuum's old wiring would have melted long before the garage's would have. I think a wire in the cord or the switch got hot and since it was hot there only instead of being a short, it didn't trip the circuit breaker/fuse. I have seen this with dryers and any appliance. The plug and/or outlet gets worn out (loose, dirty.) and this causes a hot spot there (HIGH resistance where the bad connection is.) this melts the plug and outlet however, it isn't a short. Perhaps with the ancient cord and wires, they started on fire instead of just melting as newer wires are designed to. This is JMO on what may have happened.
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Post# 33127-9/25/2003-23:48 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: It's all about the Karma guys....lemme splain what I mean
MESSAGE: It is really too bad you lost all of those amazingly rare vacuums. Even if it was just an odd coincidence, you still learned from it and that's what counts:0)
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Post# 33128-9/26/2003-00:51 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's all about the Karma guys....lemme splain what I mean (Re: Vacuum Cleaner's Lost :)
MESSAGE: Hi! Chad, I'm real sorry to hear about your Vacuum Cleaner's lost. I'm glad however that no one was hurt, because Material item's can basically be replaced, except I know for certain things. I hope that your Garage and what item's you were able to salvage are operable or at least able to be viewed, enjoyed and a wonderful memory of the past still.
Peace and Condolences of your Losses, Steve
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Post# 33129-9/26/2003-03:06 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: serious problem (water inlet valve )
MESSAGE: You are wrong Kurt, the cold water vlave has failed already because of dirt and grit in the water supply pipes. That one would not open I fear that the hot water inlet valve has failed, it was the cold water valve that failed the last time. I will let you know what the engineer has to say to day, regards to all hbmuk
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Post# 33130-9/26/2003-06:31 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: serious problem (water inlet valve )
MESSAGE: There are supposed to be fine screens at the water valve inlets to stop crud from entering.
Ken D.
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Post# 33131-9/26/2003-08:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: serious problem (water inlet valve )
MESSAGE: Hi hbmuk
I think Kurt is right, in that THIS TIME the fault is not the fill valve. It may have been last time but the fault you describe this time could not be caused by a fill valve fault.
It sounds to me like a pressure switch fault, which Kurt called a water level control. Anyway as it is under warranty you are best to leave it to the repairer. If you attempt to fix it, even with our guidance, you will probably lose the warranty.
Sorry to hear you are having so much trouble with it. Best of luck getting it sorted out.
Classics are more fun but due to their age can be unreliable. Do you have more than one washer? That might realistically be a long term aim for you, so you can wash in one when another packs up. (Even that is no guarantee, though. I have about ten VCRs, two to use and the rest were repairers. As it happens both "good" ones packed up on the same night, so I couldn't tape a show. I have now set about fixing most of the others, some of which had been waiting for attention for several years... )
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 33132-9/26/2003-09:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: serious problem (water inlet valve )
MESSAGE: The hot and cold water valves aren't integrated on your machine? That's unusual, but maybe it's done that way in the UK, I've never seen separate valves for hot and cold water on a US machine, at least not on anything from the late Fifteies up, maybe they were separate on early washers. As for grit and dirt in the water lines, the valves can be disassembled and cleaned. There SHOULD be (again, I dont know how they engineer water valves in the UK), a screen in the water valve inlet and/or a screen that's part of the sealing washer in the fill hose connections (once more, US machines use the same fittings on the ends of the fill hoses as a garden hose, do they do it different in the UK?)that keeps junk from getting into the inlet valve from the water pipes.
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Post# 33133-9/26/2003-12:31 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Still wrong
MESSAGE: I am sorry but Kurt was wrong on the count of the water valve, the hot water inlet valve had jammed, again thru grit and dirt from the old water pipes. When the washer fills depending on the programe I use, the cold water goes in first then stops when the machine is happy. The hot water valve opens and finishes filling up, the engineer took appart the water valve and sure enough it was full of gunk and grit. Thus preventing the valve from opening, not only that but Kirk was right about the presure switch. It had malfunctioned any way the machine is useable, I can manually fill it from the tap/faucet via a rubber pipe. The amount of water that goes in is still not addequit to do a full load, I have asked for another machine he has fortunatly got on in stock. As It needs further testing on it, I can not get this one untill next week. So all is not lost, regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 33134-9/26/2003-13:19 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Still wrong
MESSAGE: Actually, Kurt was right in a way. He said that one way water valves fail is they don't open, which basically is what was the case with your hot water valve being jammed/clogged. It just wasn't previously explained how your machine fills, first partially with cold, then the rest of the way with hot. That is unusual for most machines, an exception perhaps being particular vintage Frigidaires that alternated hot/cold every few seconds for a warm mix. Is there a dual-stage pressure switch on your Hotpoint to split the difference, or is it a timed fill for the first part?
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Post# 33135-9/26/2003-15:21 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: he is still wrong
MESSAGE: I only have cold water running into the washer, both pipes are conected to a Y tube which let cold water in. So depending on what programe I use if one valve opens another one closes, so when the hot one opened IT FAILED.Remember UK Hotpoint top loaders are very different from American Hotpoint top loaders. The programe I use lets in half cold then half hot, it was the HOT water valve that failed.
subject closed
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Post# 33136-9/26/2003-20:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Still wrong
MESSAGE: That is not how it is here, any number of people here can vouch for that. If one of the sides of the valve fails (there are seperate connections to the valve as you know, but they are in one body.) if one side lets go (won't open.) say the hot doesn't open, the washer will only fill up with cold water yet it will still fill all the way (say to hi.) and will still start and stop agitation normally. So on an American top loader, there is no way the fill valve could cause the problems you had. But I guess your design is different. BTW guys don't worry about it, i can accept that I was wrong. I just had no idea there were different types of fill systems out there, most of the fill systems in American washers are all pretty much the same.
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Post# 33137-9/26/2003-22:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Still wrong (water valve)
MESSAGE: Wow, you mean noone has figured out how to combine the 2 valves so the water is mixed in the valve goes in warm all in one shot like we're all used to?! Now THAT'S different. There must be some reason they engineer it that way but darn if I can see the reason for it.
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Post# 33138-9/26/2003-22:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (UK/US top loader differences)
MESSAGE: Actually, even front load machines here use unified water valves that mix hot and cold together before entering the tub. But in any case, how come there aren't any screens to keep the grit out of the valves? Seems like that should be standard issue on any machine, no matter what country it's made in.
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Post# 33139-9/26/2003-22:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Still wrong (Water valve wrongness)
MESSAGE: The valve thing surprised the hell out of me too. One really gets used to things like water valves being engineered a certain way and universally used by everyone for a long period of time. It it really throws you when you see a different way of doing it. Things like gearcases, transmissions, clutches, and such are expected to be engineered differently from company to company, but things like timers and water valves have become "standardized" and every company gets them from the same sources. In the case of water valves, I think there's only 2 companies that make them for everybody in the US, Eaton and Dole.
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Post# 33140-9/27/2003-00:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (UK/US top loader differences)
MESSAGE: Ya, the screens on our washer valves have saved them from failure MANY times. The dip tube in our previous water heater started chipping away and as a result, every screen in the hose became plugged with the white plastic chunks. (including faucet aereators, dishwasher valve screen, esspecially the washer valve screen, it was REALLY plugged up.) It got to the point where every few weeks we had to clean everything. It didn't happen on the toilets though (only cold water to them=no dip tube chunks.) Then it stopped, however by then the dip tube had snapped right off the water inlet so then the hot water lasted hardly at all (2 min. showers if we were lucky, good luck with a hot wash with the washer, it was always warm. Dishwasher obviously cleaned like crap too.) We shouldn't have let it go so long, but then we replaced it and now the other one is doing the same thing! However it is 7 years old so it is due. Anyhow, without the screens, one of those valves would have jammed open which would have meant a huge flood.
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Post# 33141-9/27/2003-00:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Still wrong (Water valve wrongness)
MESSAGE: I thought only whirlpool made them? But I guess Eaton or Dole very well could make them for Whirlpool then whirlpool sells them to other companies. It would seem the system 99% of washers use would keep the rate of failure way down.
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Post# 33142-9/27/2003-06:45 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: You still do not under stand
MESSAGE: There are 2 in let valves, one hot one cold. I only have cold water going into the machine. As I have all ready tried to explain, there is a Y tube conected to the pipe on the water supply and the cold and hot water pipes are conected to the Y TUBE from the main water supply and only cold water not hot and cold water going thru the machine. The hot water inlet valve failed because dirt and grit had some how got into the valve and caused it not to open when the valve was required to open at the point when the cold water valve had closed. Thus cutting off the water to the washer, this variaty of machine does not mix hot and cold to gether.
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Post# 33143-9/27/2003-06:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (white stuff in inlet screens)
MESSAGE: Kurt, I think you just solved a mystery for me. I'd noticed the same thing, all this white stuff clogging up aerators in faucets, screens in showerheads, and screens in hot water inlet of washer inlet valve. At same time roommates were complaining that hot water ran out quickly. It eventually stopped, and I turned up water heater so that it keeps 140 degree water, so the problem seems to have cured itself. What brand of water heater was the old one and the one you have now? Ours is a (now "orphaned") Montgomery Ward brand made by Rheem. It isn't very old, and water heaters around here tend to last about 15 years with no maitenance (not being drained as recommended)if you buy the good model with the two sacificial anodes and the swirling cold water intake that keeps the bottom of the tank from accumlating crud.
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Post# 33144-9/27/2003-07:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Still wrong (water valve suppliers)
MESSAGE: Appliance manufacturers are just like car manufacturers in that many parts are obtained from suppliers and not made by the appliance company. Things like timers, motors, switches, valves tend to be from outside suppliers. I recently had to replace the unbalance kickout switch on my LadyK and info that came with new switch indicated that there were 3 suppliers for that switch. Virtually every water valve I've seen on dishwashers or clothes washers is from Dole or Eaton. The "Bean Counters" at companies carefully calculate whether it's cheaper for a company to make a part themselves or to farm it out to a supplier depending on how long they plan to make a product or whether a part will be used in various products. I'm sure there are other factors they consider, too.
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Post# 33145-9/27/2003-07:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: You still do not under stand (understanding)
MESSAGE: Yes, we do understand, at least, I did as soon as you said that the cold and hot valves are separate and that you had a Y connector. What I wonder now is if the whole fill is timed, with the timer switching valves midway in the alloted fill time, or if the first part of the fill is timed, with the timer handing off the second part of the fill to a water level switch wich determines that the machine is full and turns off valve and starts agitation.
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Post# 33146-9/27/2003-07:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: You still do not under stand (But why no screens?)
MESSAGE: OK, we all grasp the layout, but you haven't mentioned why there were no screens in either the fill hoses or the water valve inlet. Not standard practice in the UK? Surprising if not, crud in pipes is a worldwide problem.
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Post# 33147-9/27/2003-08:37 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (water heaters)
MESSAGE: They don't really use centralized water heaters in the UK. The washer heats the water.
Ken D.
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Post# 33148-9/27/2003-11:28 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens
MESSAGE: OK, I know this is for "style" & pizzaz, but what gets me is that there's no exhaust fan vent-a-hook over either the range or cooktop. I guess one wasn't supposed to use their kitcvhen, even back in the 1950s/early 1960s. I guess that was the new housewife domesti bliss already, no cooking!!!
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Post# 33149-9/27/2003-12:00 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens
MESSAGE: Well, Bob, that's true....but wasn't it around then that they came out with the TV Dinner???? mmmmmmgood!!!! No cooking, no cleaning!!! The modern homemaker's dream!!
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Post# 33150-9/27/2003-13:10 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: You still do not under stand (But why no screens?)
MESSAGE: Its because its a second hand recon washer, maybe he overlooked this I dont know. I will be getting a replacement washer mid week next week, he has one in stock. Guys I am realy sorry for getting work up about it, I am dealing with a lot domestic crap and a problem with my washer is not what I need right now. I know I should try to chill thats easier said than done, I am sorry (SOB) I needs a hug HBMUK
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Post# 33151-9/27/2003-14:29 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (no GE brand exhaust hoods??)
MESSAGE: Bob, funny you should mention this. Friends of my parents in their 1960 Turquoise GE metal cabineted kitchen with contrasting pink GE built-in appliances had an interesting pink Nu-tone hood.
The hood/canopy/visor was hinged to flip out and pivot over the cooktop. This revealed the fan and light controls as well. When done, the visor folded flush with the adjacent wall cabinets totally concealing the hood. Creating a very neat contrasting pink panel that coordinated with the cooktop.
Seems later GE kitchens began to feature hoods. In my parents 1st early 1980's era Florida home, with a complete t-o-l almond GE kitchen, my mom must have had the last of the remote control cooktops with the cooktop controls in the range hood. Really neat. She loved it. Very powerful and quiet exhaust hood as well.
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Post# 33152-9/27/2003-15:00 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Check out the sandbox
MESSAGE: We're in the news!
Steve
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1787
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Post# 33153-9/27/2003-15:01 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: Leapin' Lizards
MESSAGE: Found a little suprise today when I was swapping loads from my GE washer to the dryer. After emptying the machine, a lizard was sitting on the agitator at the bottom of the basket. I saw this little guy last week sitting inside the mini wash basket which was sitting on the garage floor (my laundry area is in the garage). I dumped the little guy from the mini basket outside on the grass but I guess he just had to get into the wash and made his way into the machine at some point. Unfortunately he/she did not survive the filter flo action of a live wash.
Moral: Those with an outside laundry should check for any critters taking a nap in the basket before starting the cycle. Happy wash day, Mike.
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Post# 33154-9/27/2003-15:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (white stuff in inlet screens)
MESSAGE: Our newer one is a Giant (I don't know who built it, maybe Giant built it?) 7-10 years around here is normal for non-softened water (the water isn't super hard, around 9 grains.) If the problem in yours was indeed the dip tube cracking, the problem would still be going on. Perhaps just the bottom cracked a bit but by turning the heater up, it started keeping hot water longer. The other possibility is calcium. I saw a test on the net for stuff clogging screens. You take a chunk of it and put a match or barbecue lighter to it, if the stuff melts, it is the dip tube failing (plastic PVC melts) if the stuff doesn't melt, it is calcium (calcium doesn't melt.) That would be a good idea to try if you find white chunks again.
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Post# 33155-9/27/2003-16:41 ||| Treadlethreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: New to list / Frigidaire refrigerator
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone ! I am new to this list , and also have just aquired a
Frigidaire refrigerator that I would peg aprox. 1949 - 1951 ... but
then again what do I know - Im a Sewing Machine Collector ! :)
This was a great weekend find - the kind of stuff collectors dreams
are made of... `just waiting for me at the side of road with a FREE
sign indicating "works-cold-good for beer"
I would like to find some referance sites for this and related
appliances, and would welcome any info or advise...
the model# may be SM-76 (stenciled black paint on back), there are
also other numbers on a front bottom plate (stamped metal)... also
this is the one with external "wrap around" latch with round concave
depression on cabinet at latch end. clear as mud ? HELP ! lol
thanks , Carla - Cape Cod Mass
PS - feel free to respond directly if applicable.
LINK: http://hometown.aol.com/treadlethreads/myhomepage/profile.html
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Post# 33156-9/27/2003-17:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (TV Dinner)
MESSAGE: Did someone say TV Dinner? YUM!
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Post# 33157-9/27/2003-17:08 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (combo washer/dryer)
MESSAGE: A blast from the past the Happy Haven kitchen is. I noticed the abscence of the exhaust hoods too. On the shelf in its' place the all but forgotten must have for the hostess of the 60s and/or wedding gift - the copper like "chafing dish".
What about that pink combo washer/dryer? I give GE credit for trying. That machine was a dismal failure and the manufacturing of it ceased quickly. A neighbor (family of six) had one and it was in constant need of repair. She never understood that to perform the dryer function the wash drum was not to be loaded more than half full. Her drinking problem didn't help matters either.
Those GE combo washer/dryers were all about lots of chrome embellishments and built like tanks. Such a marvelous vintage machine.
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Post# 33158-9/27/2003-17:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (white stuff in inlet screens)
MESSAGE: Interesting - I had the same problem and it turned out that there was a whole recall deal with dip tubes made by certain manufacturers. Apparently it was a widesread problem. For the longest time I had no idea what all that stuff was in our faucet screens, etc... Then CR ran a story about it. Dip tube replaced and water heater flushed out and no more problem. We did have some residual stuff from the pipes but that cleared up in a short while.
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Post# 33159-9/27/2003-17:36 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Check out the sandbox
MESSAGE:
What a great story Steve - my best to you and Rhinnie for many more years together....
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Post# 33160-9/27/2003-17:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (TV Dinner)
MESSAGE: Hee, hee..haven't seen one of those in years, Robert. Looks quite original...
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Post# 33161-9/27/2003-18:17 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: KA portable
MESSAGE: I hope this is not another teaser.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2349761509&category=46124
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Post# 33162-9/27/2003-20:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (white stuff in inlet screens)
MESSAGE: Ours may be one of the affected ones but we got no info about a recall. I am thinking about making our own dip tube out of copper pipe. It would certainly last forever and there would be no chance of it leaving crap in our pipes or screens.
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Post# 33163-9/27/2003-20:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Leapin' Lizards
MESSAGE: Mike, thanks for the tip. From your comments the garage laundry didn't result in grunge lizzard laundry. Glad to see you post. Hope you're well. Think about you and wonder how you're doing. Bob
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Post# 33164-9/27/2003-22:07 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (TV Dinner)
MESSAGE: OH MY GOD ROBERT!!! What memories you just brought back!! But where's the little brownie in the middle??????
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Post# 33165-9/27/2003-22:11 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Leapin' Lizards
MESSAGE: Oh absolutely.....years ago while visiting my aunt who was living in Miami at the time, we were doing laundry (Filter Flo washer and matching dryer) which was out in the garage. Imagine the horror when we realized that after we put the clothes into the dryer and started the cycle, there was an iguana perched innocently inside the aluminum duct that came out of the back of the dryer. The smell was horrible...BBQ iguana!!! The dryer survived fortunately, the iguana, well.........RIP.
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Post# 33166-9/27/2003-23:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Leapin' Lizards (You're a lizard, Harry)
MESSAGE: My aunt and uncle was working in my grandmother's house in the country and they found a snake wrapped around the agitator in my grandma's 60s GE Filter-Flo.
"We're off to see the lizard..."
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Post# 33167-9/28/2003-00:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Leapin' Lizards
MESSAGE: That reminded me of what happened to my grandma. I think I have mentioned but here goes, my grandma that had the maytag DCs had a mishap involving a bat once. She pulled the lint filter up and a BAT flew up and into the room, she totally freaked out. Imagine what would have happened had she not checked the lint filter (my grandma wouldn't be caught dead running a load with a clogged lint filter.) the bat would have been sucked down into the blower and thump, crash, snap. The cause of the bat getting in? It was an innocent lad by the name of Kurt who somehow broke the vent hood with a ball that somehow hit the hood and it fell apart (it was middle of winter.) so my grandma left it open until the bat came in, then she tacked on a screen (bad idea but she always kept it clean so it was ok.) My other grandparents have a pair of hotpoints (older models like the design of the GE filter flos.)
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Post# 33168-9/28/2003-03:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (TV Dinner)
MESSAGE: "Eat your peas!"
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Post# 33169-9/28/2003-10:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (water heaters)
MESSAGE: If they don't use centralized water heaters, what heats the water for baths, showers, and sinks?
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Post# 33170-9/28/2003-10:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (combo washer/dryer)
MESSAGE: Was it just that particular model of GE combo washer-dryer that was trouble prone or all their models?
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Post# 33171-9/28/2003-10:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (white stuff in inlet screens)
MESSAGE: Do you still have the info about the recall? The issue of the magazine or procedure on how you got yours fixed? Would be nice to see if that's what happened.
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Post# 33172-9/28/2003-10:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (combo washer/dryer)
MESSAGE: I disagree that the manufacturing of thiws machine ceased quickly. It was in production from the 1950s until the late 1970s. I believe it even survived the production of the LK Combos. I can't imagine a family of six having a comobo w/d. The famioy of 4 next door went through two LKs from 1959 through 1971. It was rare that at least one or two loads wan't done daily. With a family of 6, that mchine probably ran all day long. No wonder it died. I don't think it as designed for that much use.
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Post# 33173-9/28/2003-14:08 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Leapin' Lizards (Leapin' Lizards)
MESSAGE: So far,
Most of the mishaps seem to be with GE filter flo models. GE's marketing must have a reach that even non-humans understand. BTW, was at my Mother's place today, her laundry area is in the garage also (typical in California, almost no basements), and all I found in her filter flo was a quarter.
Mike
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Post# 33174-9/28/2003-14:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (water heaters)
MESSAGE: I guess there is a misunderstanding here. I've seen central water heaters in the UK. Like in the rest of Europe.
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Post# 33175-9/28/2003-17:10 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (combo washer/dryer)
MESSAGE: I so like this website in that I am still learning. Thank you. I was not aware that GE manufactured the combo washer/dryer as late as the 70s. Damn!!! Of course I would have bought one immediately regardless of its smaller capacity and being prone for repeated need of repairs. Back then I commenced the journey into the never ending cost for repeated repairs having purchased the WCI Westy front loader.
Over the years I knew of two other people that had this particular GE machine. They had stopped repairig it and both sat out of order. I recall that their complaints were not about performance so much as the belts kept slipping off and/or breaking. Along with finding a knowledgeable repairman willing to service those large and heavy machines.
Only this year I discovered the combo machine (Equator brand). Such an expensive nightmare $1,345.00 that ended in just three months. I am so grateful to be back in the laundry room using the coin operated Speed Queens. They are really old models. I hope that they do not replace them. Their final spin cycle is incredible. The clothes come out almost dry!!! Thirty minutes of dryer time is all that is needed for a large load of towels and jeans. Amazing!!!
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Post# 33176-9/28/2003-17:36 ||| TreadleThreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: Second Try - Refrigerator Help
MESSAGE: Hi, Im new here and could use some help... I have a Frigidaire refrigerator that I would like to date - I know, flowers would probably help here ! lol There is a number on the back, stenciled in black which is SM-76 . There is also an aluminium plate on the front plate (the left one) wihich has two lines of stamped numbers... the top line reads - MOD. 5850248 the bottom line reads - 63 B 57189 Im not sure if this is a continuous number or if the top is the model and the bottom is a serial number... One thing I feel pretty certain about is - there's a guy here who could help with this... :) This refrigerator is aparently form the late forties or early fifties...its white and all scuffed up - but I just love it ! Carla - Cape Cod Mass
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Post# 33177-9/28/2003-20:18 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (combo washer/dryer)
MESSAGE: Hey Partycycle....I'm curious to know about the nightmare you had with your combo w/d unit. I really have been considering finding a vintage LK combo for overflow loads, since it seems I spend a lifetime in the laundry room (fun, huh???), despite the enormous capacity and speed of the Calypso. Plus I think it would be just fun!! But I tinkered with the idea of a new machine, like the equator or an LG combo, or with trying to find a golden oldie like a LK, which I understand was a reliable machine in its day. Any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks guys!!
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Post# 33178-9/28/2003-20:57 ||| Gostraka (Indiana)
SUBJECT: Lady Kenmore- Date unknown
MESSAGE: I just bought a 53 year old house in Indiana that came with a washer and dryer. I've been looking high and low for information on the washer and can't find anything! I know that it's a Lady Kenmore and according to the manual it was an 800 model. The manual is a riot, I show it to all my friends when they come to see the house, it's full of Donna Reed types, doing laundry in dresses and pearls with little aprons on. The machine itself is pretty darn cool too, it's got a guide on the front left hand side telling what letters are for what kinds of clothing and on the right hand side are the buttons, A through G or something. Then when you turn the knob to start the machine (that's right- it still works!) the left hand side lights up from behind.
It's clearly a very old machine but I'd like to know exactly what year it was made and if it was the original machine from when the house was new (the house has the original refrigerator which is also still functional, but sits in the basement unused). I've found other "Lady Kenmore" washing machines on the web and it's similar to those in the way the door looks and opens and what it looks like inside, but the panel where the timer and stuff are is quite different. It's got a users manual and a service manual with it, but neither has a date on it anywhere.
Apparently the dryer is a classic as well, I'm not sure the date on it either but I have a friend who has one just like it. She said her husband bought it when he was in college (about 20 years ago) and that it was at least 10 years old at that time.
I bought the house from a guy who'd been living there since 1973 and I think (not sure) that these appliances were both in the house when he bought it.
I took a picture of the washing machine but the roll of film is still in the camera so I will try to post it somewhere when I get it developed.
In the meantime I would really like to hear from anyone who knows about these Lady Kenmore's and might be able to help me find out more about it!
Thanks!
Lena in Indiana
gostraka@yahoo.com
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Post# 33179-9/28/2003-21:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore- Date unknown
MESSAGE: Sounds like a mid- to late-1950s or early 1960s machine. The timer locks when the knob is pulled out and turned to the correct starting position for the selected cycle/button, correct? Then you press the timer knob in and the cycle starts and the lock releases so it can advance through the cycle.
I imagine if you can provide the model and serial number, somebody here can tell you exactly how old it is. If the info isn't readable from the tag, then your pictures may tell the story.
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Post# 33180-9/28/2003-21:57 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: You still do not under stand (But why no screens?)
MESSAGE: *HUG*
Scott
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Post# 33181-9/28/2003-22:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Second Try - Refrigerator Help
MESSAGE: Your refrigerator is a 'standard' model from 1950. Sounds like a fresh coat of paint would bring even more delight with your find - best of luck with it, a fine machine indeed!
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Post# 33182-9/28/2003-22:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: New to list / Frigidaire refrigerator (sewing machine collector)
MESSAGE: Just saw your link, welcome to the world of vintage major appliances! How many sewing machines do you have? They are certainly smaller than appliances, easier to collect more! There is a Pfaff sewing shop here that has nearly 200 vintage sewing machines displayed on shelves all around the upper walls of the building, it's always fun to see all the different models.
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Post# 33183-9/28/2003-23:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: he is still wrong (water heaters)
MESSAGE: They still have centralized heaters. However hardly any of the heaters are big tank types like we have here. Most of them are flow heaters (heat the water as it flows through) or mini tank heaters (have a small tank that provides a little bit of really hot water, then is acts like a flow heater.)
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Post# 33184-9/28/2003-23:14 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Leapin' Lizards (Leapin' Lizards)
MESSAGE: Well I would rather have it cough up a quarter rather than a lizard or a bat:0) BTW the bat was in my one grandma's Maytag DC dryer, it is my OTHER grandparents that have the early hotpoints:-)
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Post# 33185-9/29/2003-00:11 ||| TreadleThreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: New to list / Frigidaire refrigerator (sewing machine collector)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, Yes they do have a way of following me home... I currently have upwards of 100 antique sewing machines - mainly treadle and hand crank machines dating from 1861 through the early 20th century, plus a good selection of vintage electrics up through the 1950's . So, now Im bringing home refrigerators, and keep wondering why I dont turn around a see a nice wringer washer chugging away in the kitchen... you can see where this is headed ! :) I hope someone can point out how to determine model number & date of my Frigidaire refrigerator for now. take care, Carla
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Post# 33186-9/29/2003-06:52 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company
MESSAGE: Last year I remember that Robert rented a vintage pair of machines for a movie. Was the movie Mona Lisa Grin w' Julia Roberts. I saw a preview this weekend and sure that I saw his vintage pair.
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Post# 33187-9/29/2003-06:59 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: Could someone with some knowledge do a time line for some of these vintage detergents, approximately when the following brands entered the market and were discontinued, and also expand on them somewhat. Thanks! (Only US versions please)
Cold Power
Dash
Salvo Tablets
Bold
DUZ (when were giveaways started also)
Breeze
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Post# 33188-9/29/2003-07:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (combo washer/dryer)
MESSAGE: I'm really curious to see how the LG (Goldstar) equiment holds up over the years. Maybe like South Korena cars, crappy at first (like the first Hyundais) then improving over time.
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Post# 33189-9/29/2003-08:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore- Date unknown (unknown Lady K's)
MESSAGE: Post model numbers of washer & dryer, & brand, model of refrigerator, somebody's bound to know the info you need.
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Post# 33190-9/29/2003-08:34 ||| jasonjennings (Mullens, WV)
SUBJECT: Ge Washer with mini wash
MESSAGE: can someone tell me where I can get a water level control or pressure switch for a green General Electric washer it has a 16 in the center where the brand name is a 2 speed washer with mini wash
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Post# 33191-9/29/2003-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company
MESSAGE: Hey Todd, wow, so it didn't make it to the cutting room floor did it! So what happens in that particular scene?
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Post# 33192-9/29/2003-08:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Ge Washer with mini wash (water level switch)
MESSAGE: Probably available at your local appliance parts store, be sure and take model and serial number with you. You can also check the Internet.
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Post# 33193-9/29/2003-09:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New to list / Frigidaire refrigerator (sewing machine collector)
MESSAGE: My grandmother on my mom's side lived in the country and had a 1950 Frigidaire refrig and a Singer treadle sewing machine. I remember her house like it was yesterday.
She also owned a 60s GE Filter Flo that went out of balance and banged like crazy.
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Post# 33194-9/29/2003-09:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: I kinda remember Dash and DUZ from the 70s (even though they've been around longer). I used to beg my mom to buy a box a DUZ so we could get that free glass.
Our poor mothers. We knew more about appliances than they did.
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Post# 33195-9/29/2003-09:26 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Ge Washer with mini wash (water level switch)
MESSAGE: As for pricing, go to Sears.com under parts first!Look on the left side of the webpage for parts and click. Enter the model number and scan for the part that you are looking to replace, they may have it in stock or they will order it for you.
www.repairclinic.com
sells parts also, but cost a little more than sears.....
Larry
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Post# 33196-9/29/2003-12:04 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: I have at best a passing acquaintance with this topic, but it seems like Bold and Breeze came around in the 70's or 80's. and Salvo disapeared sometime in the 70's (it was probably considered too violent a name in the aftermath of Viet Nam)
I remember DUZ giving out both glasses and towels, back in the day when Dolly Parton and Porter Wagner (?) were doing their commercials, but I know they also did china at one time. I friend of mine has a bunch of wheat patterned coffee cups, some with the original DUZ packaging.
Do they make Dash anymore? My mom used to use it, but I haven't seen it in years. As for Cold Power, I have never heard of it.
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Post# 33197-9/29/2003-12:44 ||| Elmo1761 (washington)
SUBJECT: 1950 Majestic Range
MESSAGE: Hi I have a 1950 Majestic Range model # DL30
I'm looking for parts and have had no luck. I was hopeing someone out here can help me. I'n looking for some burners and the bottom oven element. We love this range with the wood and coal burner on the side and don't want to get rid of it but we are down to two elements. we have a double oven in the garage that we have to use for baking. so if anyone can help us it would be great Thanks
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Post# 33198-9/29/2003-13:37 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (What happens)
MESSAGE: Well as I said it was only the movie trailer, so maybe if you do a search you can see the preview. Roberts plays a professor at Welsley and is upset because all of the students only want to get their MRS's and not MBA's, LOL! In this scene one of the girls is married and standing in front of the set. I saw the previews before the movie Duplex. I think the movie will do you proud!
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Post# 33199-9/29/2003-14:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Is it out yet?)
MESSAGE: Is this movie out yet? If and when it does come out, we all need to set a date to get together and watch it. That is, the local club sections need to watch the movie all at once and CHEER when Robert's set appears on the scene. Or better yet, if there's ever another convention and the movie's on DVD, have a showing of it.
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Post# 33200-9/29/2003-14:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Opens This Holiday Season)
MESSAGE: I downloaded the Windows Media version of the movie trailer from this site - and the 1952 Frigidaire set can be seen about 1:42
LINK: http://www.killermovies.com/m/monalisasmile/
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Post# 33201-9/29/2003-14:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Washer on the right???)
MESSAGE: Yup, your right Todd, there in the trailer! But they put the washer on the right side and the dryer on the left, its suppose to be the other way around of course, what were they thinking...
LINK: http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/monalisasmile/
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Post# 33202-9/29/2003-15:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (1952 set appears at 1:46)
MESSAGE: I wonder how much do you get to see of that set in the entire movie.
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Post# 33203-9/29/2003-16:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (vintage detergents)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember Salvo and Cold Power coming out around 1963, Bold in 1965. Duz and Dash go back much further, don't remember Breeze.
Salvo sticks in my mind because Action dry chlorine bleach in the little dissolveable plastic packets came out around the same time. Its commercial featured the arm with the clenched fist coming up out of a washer.
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Post# 33204-9/29/2003-16:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (vintage detergents)
MESSAGE: Also, like some other brands, I think Bold went away and came back again. I remember it being around in the late 60s.
We used to use Action bleach. I actually wish that was still made; I thought that was a very clean and convenient way to use chlorine bleach.
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Post# 33205-9/29/2003-16:58 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: Lady Kenmore- Date unknown (To "
Gostraka (a/k/a "
Lena In Indiana"
)"
...)
MESSAGE: Hello Lena:
And welcome to "Classic Appliances". While I don't know anything about the dryer in question yet. But since I am a Kenmore fan myself, and the "UNOFFICIAL" Lady Kenmore expert here at "Classic Appliances", I can fill you in on the washer you're talking about. The machine you're describing is a Model 800. And that machine is a 1963 model. And that would be the model that you're talking about (the one that has the lettered information about the different fabrics that the machine can wash on the left of the panel (which lights up when you start the machine) and then there are two vertical rows of buttons (four at a time..... A through H) with a stop-pin cycle time nested in between them).
Right???
It's a 1963.....
Hope that helps.
And also, you could also click on the owner's manual link that is located on the front page of this site. There are pictures and instruction for the machine there.
Thanks and Regards.......
--Charles--
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Post# 33206-9/29/2003-18:26 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (that killed the machine)
MESSAGE: I sooo loved that "Action" bleach commercial too.
Correct me if I am wrong? I know that I will be. Thank you in advance. I so enjoy this website. I heard that. The production of "Salvo" brand detergent was stopped as a result of an indgredient in it linked to the rubber components in the washer deteriorating. Usage of "Salvo" led to the need for repairs. They looked like big Valium pills too.
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Post# 33207-9/29/2003-19:43 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (bold )
MESSAGE: Bold was developed in the uk in 1973
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Post# 33208-9/29/2003-20:11 ||| treadlethreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: New to list / Frigidaire refrigerator (sewing machine collector)
MESSAGE: well you'd probably feel right at home at my house Jason... there's even a 1950 magnavox "hi-fi" console down the hall... and if you're ever feelin' a little down - Louie Prima records work a lot better than prozac ! lol just dont start calling me Gran`ma ! :) Carla
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Post# 33209-9/29/2003-20:34 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Today's POD 09/27/03--GE Kitchens (combo washer/dryer)
MESSAGE: Your comment made me laugh:-) I like to see things improve, I want to see one of those LGs.
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Post# 33210-9/29/2003-20:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Opens This Holiday Season)
MESSAGE: That's cool:-)
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Post# 33211-9/29/2003-21:43 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Washer on the right???)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Is your name going to appear in the credits of the film for having supplied the use of the washer and dryer?
Darryl
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Post# 33212-9/29/2003-22:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Washer on the right???)
MESSAGE: Hi Darryl, I tend to doubt that but ya never know.
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Post# 33213-9/29/2003-22:08 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Washer on the right???)
MESSAGE: I would sure hope that they would give you credit for it Robert! I have just returned from a fun filled weekend at Jimmy Scichilone's home,(Filter-flow Jimmy). He has such a wonderful collection of vintage machines. Really love the Kelvinator with the Magic Minute. Jimmy's home is so interesting with his many different collections of vintage items. We also visited two great parts places and met some wonderful people. Jimmy was a great host and provided a fantastic weekend. I am so grateful that he shared his collection. Terry
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Post# 33214-9/29/2003-22:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Robert's rental of washer to Movie Company (Washer on the right???)
MESSAGE: I bet you could get them to. I am sure they wouldn't mind to add one more name to the list.
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Post# 33215-9/29/2003-23:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: Maytag? I don't think so...
MESSAGE: I have a hard time believing that this is actually a Maytag, someone prove me wrong:-)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2349402412&category=20714
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Post# 33216-9/29/2003-23:14 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Hamilton Dryer in New York
MESSAGE: Check this out.
LINK: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/hsh/16713558.html
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Post# 33217-9/29/2003-23:20 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so...
MESSAGE: It is. Super-size the full shot and you can just barely discern the Maytag logo and name at the left corner.
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Post# 33218-9/30/2003-00:40 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so...
MESSAGE: Kurt, Maytag offered that twin tub washer in the 1970s; it was called the "Porta Washer". They also sold a 110 volt mini dryer to go with it, that you could stack above or roll away. Together they were referred to as the "Porta Pair." Greg (Gansky) has one of these in harvest gold. I believe the twin impellers reverse every so often during the wash.
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Post# 33219-9/30/2003-00:42 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York
MESSAGE: That must be a later Hamilton; I've not seen one before with a door like that and such a big window. The shape of the window almost reminds you of the opening of a Norge or 1-18 Frigidaire dryer. Very interesting!
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Post# 33220-9/30/2003-00:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so...
MESSAGE: Your right, I didn't notice the very familiar Maytag "M"
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Post# 33221-9/30/2003-02:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: GE refrigerator Owner's Manual
MESSAGE: I have an owner's manual for a line of GE refrigerators that look like late 40's. If anybody owns one of these models or collects owner's manuals, let me know and I'll send it to you, no charge just to get it to someone who needs and/or will preserve it.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/trolley717
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Post# 33222-9/30/2003-02:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (Portable Maytag)
MESSAGE: I think it's a re-branded Hoover, a friend had the Hoover version stored in his garage. I think Hoover was making them before Maytag bought them
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Post# 33223-9/30/2003-06:15 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk "
ring around the collar commercial"
)
MESSAGE: Scott, the Hamilton dryer door seems to be the same as the one in the Wisk commercial. The dryers may be different models but the doors seem similar. We're talking the early 70's here.
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Post# 33224-9/30/2003-06:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: Cold Power - 1964 or 1965 introduction and was around until the mid to late 1980's. Never was a particularly good performer. However, it actually worked better in cold hard water than warm or hot soft water according to an old CR rating. As manufacturers consolidated and eliminated brands, Cold Power became one of Colgate's "bargain brands" - kind of like classic Ajax powder and Punch. All three looked and smelled the same so they were probably all the same product. It disappeared around 1989 or 1990, but for a short time was available only in North Carolina. Still available (obviously different formulas than the US) as "Arctic Power" in Canada, and Cold Power (liquid and powder) in Australia.
Salvo - introduced around 1962 or so to compete with Lever's Blue Vim tablets. Again OK performance, but never took off and in the 70's when all the ecology people went nuts over phosphates, the product disappeared. I know that in my neighborhood, a couple of kids tried to eat the tablets because they looked like "sweet tarts".
Duz - not to be confused with Duz Soap powder which was around until the late 70's. duz detergent actually started in the late 50's as "Blue Dot Duz detergent in a package of identical design to but a different color than Duz soap. Then we had premium Duz detergent with dinnerware in the early to mid 60's. That became Duz detergent with the glass premium in the mid to late 60's. Then sometime in the 70's, glasses were replaced with flatware and by 1980, Duz was gone.
Bold - definitely introduced in 1965 - I remember because it was one of the first times detergent samples were delivered to our house in a regular size box with that neat orange Bold measuring cup. THis was actually a very popular product with no give aways or other gimmicks - it was regulated sudsing and had those neat blue and green "power granules". It survived the phosphate madness of the 70's and then became Bold 3 with softener in the early 80's. Over time though it became less of a "premier brand" for P&G. At one point, P&G consolidated the dismal performing "Solo" liquid into the Bold brand. Ultimately the liquid version (introduced in the mid 80's) was discontinued in the late 90's and only a powder version of Bold remains. Now called Bold plus, it no longer has softener, performs reasonably well, but is hard to find. Of course, P&G prefers to let it languish with no advertising and it lacks the flash of the Tide and Gain brands. I myself have been buying a few boxes every now and again to store them - my guess is that P&G will do to Bold what they did to OXydol and Dash - let the brand die slowly from neglect then eliminate it.
Dash - P&G's answer to Lever's concentrated and low suds All. It was introduced in 1956 and for many years it's main feature was the low suds - note that CR reported on low suds detergents in the early 60's and concluded that All, Dash and Colgate's Ad were OK, but performed nowhere as well as the regular detergents (cited Tide, Fab, Rinso Blue). Managed to survive the phosphate drama until 1986 or so. Then P&G relaunched it as a non concentrated, regular sudsing Lemon fresh powder. Also beginning at that time, you almost never saw an advertisement for Dash again. So it transitioned into the 90's with an ultra powder and liquid formulation and by 1998 was eliminated. You could still find some half gallons of liquid lemon Dash in small bodegas in bigger cities where the stock doesn't move very much.
Breeze - this one is a bit tougher. I believe it was introduced by Lever in 1953 and contained a Cannon dish towel. Over the years, the towel was changed as more sizes were added (giant size and king size) - I remember the "hawaiian" and "fiesta" stripes. It actually turned in a creditable wash - but the thing with any of those premium detergents was that the package was the same size as non premium products, but they cost around $.30 more per package and you got less product (usually king size was 4lb 6oz against the non premium product 5lb.4oz.). Also, the directions had you using more per load than the non premium products. Breeze and Silver Dust told you to start with 2 cups. So that towel or glass was no bargain. Anyway, Breeze lasted until around 1985 or so, but in its later years was not a popular or particularly high performing brand and was difficult to find. I figure that by the 1980's no one really cared about getting towels in their detergent anymore.......
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Post# 33225-9/30/2003-07:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: New to list / Frigidaire refrigerator (50s hi-fi)
MESSAGE: You have some really cool stuff.
I'll bet Louis Prima sounds great on that old hi-fi.
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Post# 33226-9/30/2003-07:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (Portable Maytag)
MESSAGE: It's a portable twinny.
As keeping with Maytag tradition, all action stops as soon as the lid is raised :-(
EVIL
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Post# 33227-9/30/2003-07:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (Portable Maytag)
MESSAGE: This is definitely a Maytag product, they carried these from the early 70's all the way up to 1983! You can watch the washing action - reversing impellers every 30 seconds to prevent tangling (worked OK) but the spinner basket is lock-to-start so you can see nothing there without a butter knife to trip the switch. If you open up the back panel, it's Maytag through and through - even the poly-pump is in there.
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Post# 33228-9/30/2003-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: Some friends of ours had a similar dryer, the Sun-E-Day ozone lamp was probably long gone by this model but the window-door is very cool.
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Post# 33229-9/30/2003-07:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (Portable Maytag)
MESSAGE: I don't think so, Hoovers have only one impeller.
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Post# 33230-9/30/2003-08:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: ebay item ended early
MESSAGE: here is another ebay item ended early because we know someone called and offered more money ............ damn, this was one of my dream machines but to far away ..........
LINK: http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2349761509&category=46124&rd=1
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Post# 33231-9/30/2003-08:32 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: KA dw on ebay pulled early
MESSAGE: I just emailed the seller inquiring about if he received an offer and pulled it early because such ..... Is that against ebay policy to do that ??? Once you list an item ??? I guess the seller can do whatever they want but I got an offer from a movie set on my stove and they probably would have paid more than my starting price on ebay but I emailed them back and told them to bid whatever they were willing to pay and good luck ............
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Post# 33232-9/30/2003-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ebay item ended early
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear about that Greg, I would love to find that DW too someday. I think a seller is allowed to remove an item from an eBay auction if there are no bids on it.
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Post# 33233-9/30/2003-09:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: Wow!!! Great post, Angus! Thanks!
-ph
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Post# 33234-9/30/2003-10:00 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: ebay item ended early (Correct)
MESSAGE: Robert,
You are correct. You can remove an item when it has no bids, and I think that is cool, and fair.
I do think it is rude however when you do have bids on an item, and remove it because someone has told you the item is worth much more than your starting price, or "Buy It Now" price is listed at. Not to mention the Jerk that calls them and tells them. It will go up if even if the start price is .50 cents. I have had items that I knew were very rare electronics, that would go for over a grand, and started them at like .25 cents to make the buyers interested think I did not know what I was selling. Makes it lot's of fun for both the seller and the buyer. I think that when a person tells someone that it is worth more, acting like they were looking out for the seller, is really in it for themself, often being the one that ends up with the item. The funny part is, I wonder if the person that does this REALLY tells them the actually price it could go for, or gives them a round about number that sounds really good so they can get it below the actual worth.
Brent
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Post# 33235-9/30/2003-10:01 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: KA dw on ebay pulled early
MESSAGE: You are a good man Greg!
I would buy from you!
Brent
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Post# 33236-9/30/2003-11:37 ||| treadlethreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: GE refrigerator Owner's Manual (GE refrigerator Owner's Manual )
MESSAGE: Hi Kenmore 1978 , I wouldbe happy to have & preserve the GE refrigerator maunual ! please e mail me for address etc. Thankyou either way ... :) Carla
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Post# 33237-9/30/2003-11:45 ||| treadlethreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: GE refrigerator Owner's Manual (forgot e mail address !)
MESSAGE: Hi Kenmore 1978 - I forgot to include my e mail address ! Treadlethreads@yahoo.com Carla
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Post# 33238-9/30/2003-13:00 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (Thanks Angus)
MESSAGE: Wow, great information! I remember when I was a child my favorite section in the grocery store was the detergents.. Our family always bought Tide, and I would try to talk my grandmother (who did the shopping) into trying another brand. Rarely, did I succeed. A few times I remember the carry-all family sizes of ALL & Cheer were at a real bargain, and she did weaken and buy them. I was so thrilled, but she always went back to Tide.
When I went off to college, I clipped all the coupons and our grocery store doubled them, so I bought all the small regular sizes of different detergents for practically pennies a box. I couldn't wait to go to the laundra- mat. What great memories, most kids loved the cereal section of the stores, mine was always the cleaning products!
Thanks again, Angus. Do you happen to know the history of the dishwashing liquid, Thrill, later Peach Thrill?
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Post# 33239-9/30/2003-13:04 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (Thanks Angus, sorry meant Peter!)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Peter saw the wrong name :)
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Post# 33240-9/30/2003-13:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: oic, thanks Leslie. I had only ever seen the ones with the small rectangular window and narrower but longer door, which I know were made well into the 60s.
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Post# 33241-9/30/2003-13:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ebay item ended early
MESSAGE: Greg, I'd seen this earlier and thought you'd already gotten it or one just like it. I'm so sorry. :-(
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Post# 33242-9/30/2003-13:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: Former neighbors at our old house had an avocado matched set of this wsaher & dryer. But they were TOL with more buttons even on the dryer. I did notice the huge window back then, early 1970s, and was drooling!!. The window was one of hamilton's main differentiators. Wish others had offered windows too as they died in popularity at the end of the 50's.
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Post# 33243-9/30/2003-13:38 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: Thanks for a most interesting detergent lesson! I *knew* there was one that had towels in it, and I had thought it was Duz, but it was Breeze.
We always used Tide with good results; it did suds but my Mom, like many at that time, was one who could not get past detergents that did not suds.
I like Wisk and Purex tabs, and sometimes Purex liquid (though of course not in the vintage machine!) and I like Tide powder; the liquid IMO is hard to rinse.
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Post# 33244-9/30/2003-14:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: My pleasure, Peter - it always amazes me how much can be remembered just by observation. Any questions on Punch, Burst, Cold Water All, the many incarnations of Rinso, Bonus, Silver Dust Blue, Drive, etc... just let me know. LOL
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Post# 33245-9/30/2003-14:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (Thanks Angus)
MESSAGE: I will need to think about the Thrill question, but I can probably help out with that one also. Will post after some rumination..........
FWIW - I suspect that for all of us, the favorite aisle of the grocery store was the detergent aisle. I too tried to push for different brands and was sometimes successful. That was my weekly challenge!! Finally mother decided she liked to shop ALONE...hmmm, I wonder why....
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Post# 33246-9/30/2003-14:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: Well, Scott, it did get a bit confusing for a while. At different times, Duz had dishes, glasses and flatware. Originally, Surf had flatware in it for a while. And Silver Dust started with glasses and ended with towels just before it left the shelves for good. Breeze and Bonus were the only two I can remember that always contained towels.
My mother had a different view of detergents. She really preferred low suds because she believed that it was better for the machine, but she really liked the way Tide washed. So her compromise was to use Dash or All, and occasionally Rinso Blue or Cheer. She felt anything blue could wash better anyway. She also flirted with Bold for a while in the late 60's and Punch and Oxydol in the early 70's ...........
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Post# 33247-9/30/2003-14:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: True, but remember that Philco kept their window door until their demise in 1970. I would think that they and Hamilton were the only two with windows. In fact I found a 1973 CR that rated dryers and it had the Hamilton dryer in there with comments about the window becoming hot to the touch and "letting valuable heat escape"........
Didn't Kelvinator have a window door for a while?
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Post# 33248-9/30/2003-17:01 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (maytag compact washer)
MESSAGE: Yes in the 70's,Myatag manufactured the "Porta Pair"and there was a compact electric dryer to go along with the washer.The washer was verry mutch like the Hoover but had twin blades in the back of the wash tub instead of just one.
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Post# 33249-9/30/2003-17:36 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (Looks like a Maytag to me)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt,
For a very brief time in the early to mid 1970's Maytag did indeed make a twin tub portable washer and a compact dryer. If you supersize one of the pics you can see the Maytag logo in the left front corner.
Mike
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Post# 33250-9/30/2003-18:44 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (Thanks Angus)
MESSAGE: The detergent aisle was definitely my fav as a kid too. My parents tell the story that as a toddler I could name all of the detergents by sight as soon as I could talk. I'd even recite them for other shoppers - at least someone thought it was cute. Those big white tablets were especially fascinating, hence my nickname.
As for Thrill, I know it was around in the early sixties because my mom would threaten to "get out the Thrill" (to wash out our mouths) if we used any bad words. I haven't thought about that in years - how funny.
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Post# 33251-9/30/2003-19:20 ||| treadlethreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent (Thanks Angus)
MESSAGE: < my mom would threaten to "get out the Thrill" (to wash out our mouths) if we used any bad words.I haven't thought about that in years - how funny. > - salvoboy ...and You just made me think of Sister Mary Margeret, Saint Benidicts ! *smiles* Carla
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Post# 33252-9/30/2003-21:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (Portable Maytag)
MESSAGE: Cool, I would love to see one of those, it looks more from the early 60s, but I guessed wrong:-)
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Post# 33253-9/30/2003-21:34 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: Haha, that is BS (not your comment, but what CR said.) letting valuable heat escape? IMO that is the biggest crock. Windows can hold in heat as well or better than metal. In fact, metal conducts heat easier (explains why the metal feels cooler.) so metal would pass more heat.
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Post# 33254-10/1/2003-02:34 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: I remember we had the dishes with the wheat pattern. We used them for years. In the early 70's, we bought the Duz that contained a glass. The size of glass depended upon the size of the Box of Duz.
What about White King boxes containing towels. We had them also.
I found Breeze Ultra detergent in a store about a year ago. It was not manufactured by a well known company. I cannot remember who made it. I seem to recall a degreaser concentrate with the same name, but do not know if they were related.
You can find P&G's Salvo liquid hand dishwashing detergent at at some stores. It comes in a green bottle, with a shape similar to old Joy bottles of the past.
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Post# 33255-10/1/2003-03:33 ||| Ritaboland (Virginia)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Tip Toe Matic
MESSAGE: I just bought a Kenmore Tip Toe Matic at an estate sale and was wondering if there was a collector out there who'd be interested in buying it? Right now I have it in the garage and it's just too unique of an item to stay there. I also have the owner's manual with it.
My email is RBoland@peoplepc.com and I'd be glad to send pictures to anyone interested in purchasing.
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Post# 33256-10/1/2003-05:25 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage detergent
MESSAGE: Interesting point on the Salvo dishwashing liquid. I wonder if it is one of those products made in and for other countries, but sometimes availabel in certain US markets like Mexican Ariel detergent.......
I had not mentioned White King detergent as one of those premium products because that was a West Coast regional brand and I never even heard of it until my first trip to LA in 1983.
Finding Breeze detergent that is not a Lever Bros product is kind of strange. Perhaps the manufacturer did what Redox Brands did with Oxydol and Biz and bought the name from Unilever US. Actually by accident I found that Breeze is still a popular Lever detergent brand in parts of Southeast Asia.
Also, I recently found bottles of something named Solo in my Stop & Shop. Same logo, but came in different flavors and was made by a small company in New Jersey - one of those "bargain brands"..
Anyone remember Brillo Enzyme Detergent?
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Post# 33257-10/1/2003-05:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: Thrill Liquid
MESSAGE: The best I can remember about this is that it was introduced around 1963 or so as "Lotion Pink Thrill". It always ranked around the middle of the CR ratings - but Ivory, Joy (both P&G), Trend, Gentle Fels, Sweetheart (all Purex), Swan, Lux (Lever Bros) and believe it or not, Octagon (Colgate's Crystal White) for you western folks)were pretty stiff competition. Also at that time, many people still used powdered laundry detergent for their dishes. But I digress.....
Other than some minor packaging changes, Thrill did not change much until the early 70's. Then you had things like Joy, Octagon/Crystal White and Ajax (lemon), Rose Lotion Vel and
Sweetheart Lime. So Peach Thrill was introduced. I remember that it actually smelled pretty dreadful - but then peach is not a favorite artificial fragrance. It stayed around a few years but by 1979 or 1980 was gone.
I personally preferred Lux, Ajax and Rose Lotion Vel. I always thought Palmolive , while a good performer just smelled way too strong. Of course, my mother preferred Ivory liquid, but she would occasionally flirt with Ajax and Joy. Oddly, Palmolive made her hands break out in a strange rash - so in our family, it became known as the "green death" liquid.
I got a good laugh this week at the market - Palmolive's Aromatherapy line of dishwashing liquids - particularly the purple one that claims to be the "stress reducing formula containing lavender and ylang-ylang". I can't even think of ylang-ylang with a straight face............
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Post# 33258-10/1/2003-05:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: I agree with you Kurt -that comment did seem a bit silly because in the 60's CR considered the Window door a plus so you could actually see when the clothes were finished....... So much for consistency.
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Post# 33259-10/1/2003-06:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: ebay item ended early
MESSAGE: I agree, BUT, since when is ebay an advertising forum PERIOD ??? I am going to write to ebay .......
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Post# 33260-10/1/2003-06:47 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Thrilled!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info. I always disliked Palmolive, it did seem very strong and would sometimes leave a bitter taste in glasses and such. I still use my favorite brand from childhood which you over looked, Dove for Dishes. I love the bar soap (pink dove) and I'm now hooked on the hair care line. Great products!
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Post# 33261-10/1/2003-06:53 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: ebay policy on pulling listings
MESSAGE: Here is ebays policy word for word on pulling listings early >
NOTE: Sellers are not permitted to cancel bids and end listings early in order to avoid selling an item that did not meet the desired sale price. This is considered to be reserve fee circumvention. Although there are legitimate reasons for ending a listing early, abuse of this option will be investigated.
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Post# 33262-10/1/2003-07:18 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ebay item ended early
MESSAGE: Greg, this thing didn't sound good from the start. See my post #33161
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Post# 33263-10/1/2003-08:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Dove)
MESSAGE: Dove is great, but having all those birds flying around the kitchen while doing dishes makes for a mess :-)
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Post# 33264-10/1/2003-08:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: condensing dryers and combos
MESSAGE: So how does the condensing dryer principal work in both vintage machines(Frigidaire Filtrator dryers and Bendix Duomatics) and current machines (Equators and LG's)?
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Post# 33265-10/1/2003-09:08 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: How Kewl is this!
MESSAGE: Perfect for you next tea party
LINK: http://cgi.msn.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3629656036&category=13596
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Post# 33266-10/1/2003-09:10 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Detergents, Memory Lane, Blah blah blah blah....)
MESSAGE: I tried to remember all the detergents we used when I was a kid. For a long time Mom used Era (this would've been the 70's/early 80's). I remember the Era bottle had a pump, so it just sat on the washer and you pumped a squirt into the tub. She also used Sta-puf fabric softener when she remembered (it was blue and made by Staley, not the pink stuff you can find some places nowadays). Then we swithched to Yes destergent in the 80's (made by Texize, I think). It was one of those with the built-in fabric softener, which mom liked as our BOL Speed Queen didn't have a dispenser. Someone mentioned Solo liquid earlier...I remember we tried that once. We also tried Sears Heavy Duty detergent a few times. The boxes were enormous! I think we'd pay for it and then back the car to the merchandise pickup area and a clerk would load it into the car. And once we tried liquid Tide but thought the scent was much too strong. Mom always switched back to Yes. When we weren't using something with a built-in softener, we used dryer sheets. Usually Cling-Free or Toss n' Soft. I don't think we ever used Bounce. Back in those days, many dryer sheets were thin foam pads. Somewhere in the mid-80's the Speed Queen died and we got grandma's Maytag A608. I remember insisting that we use a separate fabric softener since we now had a dispenser. I think mom has used econo-containers of Tide and Downy from Sam's ever since.
Remember Fresh Start? I remember mom sending me to band camp with a bottle of it. It was a bluish powder in a clear plastic jug. Mom never used it herself, but she felt it would be the least messy in case of terrible mishap.
My grandma Shea was somewhat of a laundry room alchemist. Her sister was a Shaklee dealer, so she used Shaklee Basic-L. But, as if she didn't trust it, she also used a scoop of Ivory Snow. I think there was some other product we threw in "for good measure" but she kept it in a coffee can, so heaven knows what THAT was. Oh, and OF COURSE we pretreated grandpa's shirt collars with Wisk. Final Touch was her softener of choice.
Grandma also used a small scoop of Shaklee Basic-D AND a small scoop of Finish in her dishwasher--after she washed all the dishes in the sink first, with Dermassage. Crazy lady. Her Shaklee-selling-sister's dishwasher had been broken and they didn't even know until one of their kid's ran the machine while they were out of town and nothing got clean. Of course, even though the machine WAS broken, my grandma and her sister were vindicated--and went right on washing the dishes COMPLETELY before putting them in the DW.
Grandma Sabourin, on the other hand, did not live to clean, and mostly bought whatever was on sale. I do remember seeing Dynamo bottles in her laundry area. She did not use fabric softener. I seem to recall that she did splurge on Ivory liquid for dishwashing.
I personally now use Tide (original scent) and Downy (April Fresh) because the smell makes me sentimental. And Member's Mark dw detergent from Sam's because it's cheap and works well.
T.
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Post# 33267-10/1/2003-10:34 ||| gailg (Philadelphia)
SUBJECT: Can a 50s Chambers Stove be installed easily and inexpensively?
MESSAGE: Hi. Posted this before, but I can't find it. My friend has a high-back Chambers (50s) vintage gas stove in a house she just bought and I was just wondering is it likely it can just be moved to another house and hooked up? Or will there be all kinds of incompatibilities to deal with? How expensive are they likely to be? Thanks!
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Post# 33268-10/1/2003-11:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: Yes Anthony, you hit on all cylinders with the windowed dryers that I can remember--Bendix/Philco, Hamilton, and Kelvinator/ABC. Because Hamilton produced Frigidaire's very first dryer, it too had a window. Also there was a period where RCA Whirlpool had windows on their dryers.
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Post# 33269-10/1/2003-11:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid
MESSAGE: OMG, I completely forgot about Thrill, but do remember it sponsoring some of the soap operas at the time. My aunt, who was the only one in the family that didn't have a DW, used Tide to do her dishes with as long as I can remember until she moved into an apartment that had a DW.
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Post# 33270-10/1/2003-11:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Thrilled!)
MESSAGE: I'm such a heretic. When I RARELY wash anything by hand or SOAK anything, I use Dawn. I have had the same "Sam's Club" size bottle of Dawn I believe for 10 years LOL.
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Post# 33271-10/1/2003-12:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: ebay item ended early
MESSAGE: I know huh ?? I wrote to ebay and found out for sure, that there are rules about pulling listings after the fact to make a better profit, see my earlier post #33261, I still don't know how they can prove it or stop it, even if they cancel someone from using ebay, he or she can just use a friend's name. Will see what ebay tells me .............
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Post# 33272-10/1/2003-14:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Windows Into the Dryer)
MESSAGE: A few more...
Early GE/Hotpoint dryers had windows, Apex had windows in both washer lids and dryer doors, Speed Queen used a window door in that tilt-out washer stack unit and Kitchen Aid (WP) used them in their TOL dryers for a number of years.
Oops, don't forget Westinghouse...
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Post# 33273-10/1/2003-14:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Thrilled!)
MESSAGE: Dawn dishwashing liquid is quite harsh for delicate items so be sure to use very little and never in your washer as there are no corrosion inhibitors normally found in laundry detergents.
It's also murder on Press-On fingernails, but that's another topic...
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Post# 33274-10/1/2003-15:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos
MESSAGE: I thought I had some pics/diagrams for visual aids, but we'll have trudge along without the filmstrip ;-)
Most condenser dryers work with cold water now as in the past, but the Frigidaire Filtrator was an interesting departure in non-vented drying. The clothes are tumbled in the drum with heat which quite simply "boils" the water out of the clothes -turns the liquid in the fibers to steam or moisture laden air which is condensed on a cold surface or through a stream or mist of cold water. The hotter, moist air is naturally drawn to colder surfaces which removes the water vapor. There were a number of variations of this method in the early condensing dryers and combinations using cold water - Maytag used a "wall of water" streaming down part of the outer drum, Hotpoint used a misty spray of cold water in a pan below the drum, Maytag combos sprayed water at a fan that created a mist behind the drum, etc, etc. My Bendix combo uses a fan to circulate the drum air through a tube that has cold water running down the sides. Frigidaire used a series of small tubes that were air-cooled by an external fan, when the warm moist air was drawn to the tubes, the moisture would condense and run through the small tubes and into the water collection pan below them. In later years of the Filtrator, they also used a blower to circulate the drum air over the tube unit which was a little more efficient. I'm not sure how the newer condenser dryers operate, I do have a Chinese made combo that uses cold water so I'm sure they are all rather similar. It's easy to boil off the water from wet clothes, but it can take much more time and resources to remove that moisture from the drum allowing the air to get drier as the cycle progresses. Early condensers were very wasteful with water - my Bendix uses .5 gallon per minute which translates to approximately 20+ gallons to dry a load of wash - only a few more than it took to wash and rinse them!
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Post# 33275-10/1/2003-15:26 ||| Debomatic (Ohio)
SUBJECT: westinghouse
MESSAGE: Hi a good friend is giving me a custom westinghouse fridge,oven and range top from approximately 1953. They are a seafoam/aqua color the fridge is like two cupboards it is horizontial and looks great. Everything works and I have serial, model style and unit model numbers. I have never seen anything like them and have no idea of their value. has anyone seen anything like this? happy appliances... debomatic
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Post# 33276-10/1/2003-17:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Windows Into the Dryer)
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks. How could I have forgotten westy. Other than Kenmore, that was the predominant dryer in my childhood exposure here in Tex.
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Post# 33277-10/1/2003-17:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Thrilled!)
MESSAGE: Ummm, this bear household doesn't have fine china & crystal to be worried about with Dawn. But my Mom used Dawn on her's. She still uses it to this day, even tho her skin allergies are quite bad. She uses Playtex gloves and a handled sponge when dealing with stuff soaked b4 putting in her 18" D&M produced DW.
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Post# 33278-10/1/2003-18:21 ||| Jewwellee (Oregon)
SUBJECT: Info/value guess for a GE 50's ? Home Ironer Cat#AR20A
MESSAGE: Hi all, if anyone knows where to find out the value of a GE 50's-ish Home Ironer Catalog #AR20A I'd like to find out. It still works and is in excellent condition.
Thanks very much!
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Post# 33279-10/1/2003-19:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Thrilled!)
MESSAGE: Oh, no Todd - I didn't overlook Dove. I was trying to answer your Thrill question. My mention of the earlier brands was before Dove was introduced. Then when I got on to the "flavored brands", I omitted Dove since it didn't smell like lemon, peaches or roses etc... I believe Dove was introduced in 1965 or 1966. I too liked it but it smelled just a bit too heavy for me. But I think it performed well overall. Sad that it is no longer known as Dove but as Sunlight. Apparently Lever wanted the Dove name to be synonimous with skin and hair care.....
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Post# 33280-10/1/2003-19:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Detergents, Memory Lane, Blah blah blah blah....)
MESSAGE: Yes-I remember those HUGE boxes of the Sears detergent-Sometimes I had to put it in the car!!! Before that we used Tide.
When I got out on my own-it was Tide-then I found the plastic jars of Fresh Start-was especially convenient for the apartment house laundrymat. No mess like the detergents in boxes. At one time I got a 5 pound pail of the Fresh Start-Used it up but still have the pail it came in. Does Sears still sell their instutional size boxes of detergent?
LINK: http://old laundry detergents we used to know:
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Post# 33281-10/1/2003-19:44 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Penncrest Dryer
MESSAGE: Hello everyone.
Today at lunch I saw a Penncrest alvacado gas dryer in very good shape in a thrift store.
It looks a lot like the GE Americana dryer that Gansky has. It had settings that were ABCD for the auto settings, with all of the different fabric descriptions. I am thinking about it.
What do you guys know about this model Brand?
It was mint I would say.
Brent
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Post# 33282-10/1/2003-19:46 ||| todde (longbeach, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Thrilled! (But I use Dove))
MESSAGE: I still buy dove for dishes (it is in the concentrated form, smaller bottle). I currently don't have the bottle in front of me. I have a dispenser in my sink that I fill, and I haven't replaced it, but it was a few weeks ago. Why do say Dove for Dishes no longer exists?
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Post# 33283-10/1/2003-20:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Can a 50s Chambers Stove be installed easily and inexpensively? (Chambers range)
MESSAGE: of course it can be moved to another house, so long as there is room for it at the new place. Move it, hook up gas line, and plug it in. It's just another appliance like a refrigerator or washer
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Post# 33284-10/1/2003-21:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (wasteful)
MESSAGE: Thanks, I was always curious how that system worked. Sounds VERY wasteful of water, and I imagine efficiency would go down as the "cold" water got warmer in the Summertime in some locales. The new generation must have come up with some big advance in the technology because current standards would NEVER allow the wasting of that much water nowadays. The old CR report on the Bendix Duomatic said that the sample machine they tested used THIRTY gallons of water in the dry cycle.
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Post# 33285-10/1/2003-21:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Sears Institutional Size detergent)
MESSAGE: Yes, they do.
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Post# 33286-10/1/2003-21:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Penncrest Dryer (Penncrest)
MESSAGE: It's a GE dryer made for Penney's. So whatever repair "reputation" GE had for that era applies to the Penncrest line.
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Post# 33287-10/1/2003-21:49 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos
MESSAGE: GREGM sent me a cool cutaway diagram of a Filtrator some months ago. I bet he'd forward to you also. I'd do it myself but my email crashed a while back and I lost it.
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Post# 33288-10/1/2003-22:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (I'm thrilled to present)
MESSAGE: Here's something thrilling to see
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Post# 33289-10/1/2003-23:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: They did and still do that with vacuums. For example with Kirby, some years they get STELLAR marks for cleaning say, then a few years down the road they get "POOR, POOR, POOR" umm, am I missing something? Has Kirby changed their design one bit in the last 30 years? Still fan-first, still belt in the center, still mini-emptor (they went to mini-emptor in the 80s I believe, before that they had the sani-emptor.) CR is ok as a general guide, but it isn't good to take it as the rule, it is hardly a rule of anything, just a guide...
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Post# 33290-10/1/2003-23:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos
MESSAGE: How long would it take a condensor dryer to dry a load? Would it be possible to dry a load in one in under 50 mins?
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Post# 33291-10/1/2003-23:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Sears Institutional Size detergent)
MESSAGE: At work we got a MASSIVE tub of detergent from superstore (president's choice brand.) It lasted only a month (it would have lasted our house a year.) But we did 5+ loads PER DAY in the maytags and used lots of detergent per load. (muddy towels or towels with mouldy food in them is not very appetizing, so we used the maximum reccommended amount of detergent every time.)
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Post# 33292-10/1/2003-23:44 ||| treadlethreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: westinghouse
MESSAGE: you are So Lucky Deb ! the sea foam aqua sounds beautifull - please post pics when you can... :) Carla
LINK: http://
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Post# 33293-10/1/2003-23:51 ||| WPSupreme (Chicago)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag? I don't think so... (it is a Maytag)
MESSAGE: It is a Maytag twin tub portable for apartments.
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Post# 33294-10/2/2003-00:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Kirby)
MESSAGE: What CR issues have you been reading? I've never seen them say anything bad about Kirby's over the years except for being heavy and expensive. I've been reading CR since 1965.
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Post# 33295-10/2/2003-00:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor dryer drying times)
MESSAGE: I imagine that would vary depending on what is being dried just like a vented dryer
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Post# 33296-10/2/2003-05:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Thrilled! (But I use Dove))
MESSAGE: The actual product still exists - but is now called Sunlight. You may still be able to find bottles labeled Dove since this is a recent development. I guess that depends on how quickly your stores rotate stoce. What happened was that I had not seen Dove in any of my stores for a while, so I called Lever and they confirmed for me that Dove dishwashing liquid was being folded into the Sunlight brand and the Dove name would now be used only for skin care and hair care products...
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Post# 33297-10/2/2003-05:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (Sears Institutional Size detergent)
MESSAGE: I remember those 45 pound boxes of Sears detergent also. We used it once or twice in the early 70's, but I remember that it didn't dissolve particularly well in warm water - of course our warm water was reasonably cool - so we went back to other brands....
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Post# 33298-10/2/2003-06:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Thrill Liquid (I'm thrilled to present)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert - I forgot that it was originally called "creamy pink" Thrill. How dreamy!!!!!
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Post# 33299-10/2/2003-06:31 ||| CHRISTFR (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: How Kewl is this! (COOL TOY)
MESSAGE: THAT REALLY IS A COOL TOY HAVE ONE HERE AND IT DOES WORK WOULDNT IT BE GREAT TO HAVE A REAL ONE COULD PLAY WITH IT AND WATCH IT FOR HOURS
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Post# 33300-10/2/2003-07:21 ||| treadlethreads (Cape Cod Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: How Kewl is this! (COOL TOY)
MESSAGE: oh good, I'll make some Faery Cakes to bring... :) Carla
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Post# 33301-10/2/2003-07:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos
MESSAGE: The European condenser dryers work slightly different. The have a closed system that circulates heated air through the clothes and then to the condenser through small pipes. The condenser cools the warm air so the moist is condensed and pumped out. This cooled air is reheated again and re-enters the drum. So the same air is circulated all the time. The air that cools off is blown (by a strong fan) through the other small pipes which are in contact with the pipes for the circulated air. After cooling off the condenser this air leaves the dryer again. One of the advantages of this system is that there is absolutely no moisture entering the room where the dryer is since it's a closed system.
IIRC this system was introduced in some brands in the seventies. AEG and Zanker had this. Miele was much later with introducing a air cooled condenser system, they had a water cooled system well into the eighties.
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Post# 33302-10/2/2003-12:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor drying)
MESSAGE: One can't say that absolutely NO moisture enters the room, since in all the various systems, the water removed from the clothes has to go somewhere. So this means there has to be some kind of receptacle to collect the water that then has to be either emptied by hand, or evaporated into the air like defrost water from Frost-Free refrigerators. In the case of a dryer, that's going to be a LOT of water. In the case of a combo, the water could be pumped down the drain, but what about dryer only condensor machines?
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Post# 33303-10/2/2003-15:32 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: Combo's and Condenser Dryers and ETC.
MESSAGE: We did have a condenser dryer when I was very young, a 1956 Bendix Duomatic. I remember enough of it to say that it was in fact a 56' model; because it had two dials under the contol panel lid that you selected wash and dry time and options on.
I can remember that my mom used to gripe that it took almost an hour and three quarters to wash and dry a load. And I know that It had to be a condenser, because there was NO outside vent in that spot, so I rememeber dad and grandpa remodeled the basement laundry room so she could have her new washer and dryer down there. The Bendix was relegated to the garage.
The reason why we got rid of it, was because, the dryer part of it broke in the Spring of 1980, and she got a nice TOL "closeout" set of 1979 Maytag's from Knapp's Dept. Store,Basement Appliance Department in downtown Lansing.
They were white and bland to me over the Bendix, but it did have a suds saver, that was functional,but she/we never used it. I tried it once by pushing in the Suds saver button and ended up getting caught playing in the suds, then got my butt paddled because I was screwin around in the basement touching her machine i.e. things a boy shouldn't play with said Mommie Dearest.
I do remember the day that dad and grandpa pulled that old Bendix out of the corner of our kitchen to haul it to the garage, where it became a car wash rag washer. IN it's place went a small thin cabinet and a Built in Dishwasher, which was a Whirlpool.
Much later in life about 4 years ago, did get to see a really nice looking i.e. In good shape...Lady Kenmore Combination from about 1964-65. My great uncle Joe, having worked for Sears, had one that he was tinkering with in his garage. It was like a really gross honey beige yellowy color though, and it needed alot of work done to it to make the dryer work. He could get it to wash, but not to dry.
I do not know what happened to it, but it wasn't there when I went to visit a few months later. Being a stupid ass, I never queried what it's demise was.
I do remember him telling me that all Kenmore Combinations, and all Combinations in general were loud, clunky, heavy things, that as long as EVERYTHING was in sync,worked right, but the minute something broke, they were useless pieces of junk.
He told me that in the Lansing area between 1963 and 1984 when he made his LAST combo repair for Sears, he really disliked working on them, but always thought that it was an innovative product. He also trailed off with "if the industry would have put just a touch more integrity and thought into them", they may well have sold better and more of them.
Incidentally the combo that he was working on was a vented combo that did NOT use water to make it work.In fact he told me that by the time that they were discontinued, about 1968 or so; you could have both vented and condenser models.
Anyone care to build off of this?
Also, that ABC Dryer that I had ,that was from the mid 50's used three bayonet base lightbulbs in the instrument panel. And I can remember thinking how odd that was. My Lady K's from 66 have the long thin Flurescent(I spelled this wrong I'm sure), bulbs in them, and so did the Kenmore set that my grandma had from 1975.
I always wondered if anyone here have seen a dryer like the one that I used to have. That old ABC, was SOOOO quiet and even though I never had it hooked up for gas, you could see thru a little round slotted porthole in the front upper right corner of the cabinet...the pilot light, and it still attempted to ignite.
Also it had TWO dryer dials, I think that one was for heated dry and one was for air dry? It's been three years since I have seen it last. The lint trap for it was a long deep well basket type thing, that looked like a french fry basket at Mc Donalds. And when i got it it was just PACKED full of lint and stuff. That's probably WHY it was replaced by the old owners.
Then of course it was hauled off my my bastard of an ex- when I was on vacation and taken to the dump. GRRRRRRRRRRR
Someone here going to get that 1-18 Off of E-bay. Looks identical to mine, except mine is beige. Just that this one is the Poppy Red color...
Talk More Later
Chad
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Post# 33304-10/2/2003-15:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor drying)
MESSAGE: The 53 Bendix Duomatic does make the room a little bit warmer, however I don't notice a big change of the humidity level in the room. With that much cold water running through it, there shouldn't be. I rarely use the drying function, I prefer to use less resources for day to day laundry but once in a while I dry my sheets in it just because they come out so soft and sweet smelling.
With cooler weather, I have started using the Filtrators again. They give off a noticeable amount of heat and humidity so they function better in a cooler enviornment. After doing one or two loads, the dryer slows down because the room's temp and humidity level is high and the air flowing through the tube unit and entire machine cabinet is warmer. I can't imagine using one all summer in a humid and warm climate, it would be excruciating with no air conditioning to run a day's wash through this dryer although a lot of people did. There's nothing better than clothes and towels dried in a condenser dryer, but you really had to be willing to embrace a cumbersome technology when it was new. The filtrator has two parts, the condenser tube unit and the water tray under it. The condensed water drips into this tray that you pull out and remove to empty. There was a gravity floor-drain option or a special "Y" valve for your washer drain hose that siphoned the water from the tray automatically.
Here's a picture of the first Frigidaire Filtrator (called the Filtra-Matic) that shows the condenser unit and water tray pulled out.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.dnm=Filtrator+Unit+and+Water+Tray.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 33305-10/2/2003-16:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor drying)
MESSAGE: The water removed from the clothes is indeed pumped down the drain (or can be collected in a closed container). The two air flows are not in any way in contact with eachother, they are going through separate channels in the condenser. The dryer door has a rubber seal. So there is absolutely no moisture released into the room where the dryer is. If I can find a picture of how such a system works I will scan and post.
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Post# 33306-10/2/2003-16:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor drying)
MESSAGE: For combos, the fact that the water is pumped down the drain is great. For dryer only condensor systems, having to empty water tray in addition to cleaning lint filters would be a pain. So, essentially, a condensor-type dryer-only machine only makes sense where it's totally impractical to vent to the outside.
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Post# 33307-10/2/2003-19:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: I found this SRVAA site while looking for sites on "vintage Vacuum cleaners"-I guess we are straying from the main subject a little bit. I collect Kirby cleaners. The "G" series machines used the mini-emptor. the basic design of the Kirby is the same-as you stated. The Kirby folks have redisgned the mini emptor itself on the Kirby G6 and Ultimate G machines (Ultimate G the current model introduced 2002) The mini empter on these models has a taller domed shaped top where it connects to the discharge opening on the fan housing. this gives more airflow than the earlier mini emptors that had the flat tops(G3,4,5) The fan has been redisgned too. The roller brush in the Uiltimate G machines has been redesigned also. The brush strips on it are segemented instead of continous as on the older models. Kirby mentions that this gives a better sweeping and vibration to the carpet. I have tested both my Ultimate G and G6 against other machines and they always work better. I have compared it to many models of clean air uprights and the kirbys outperfrom them. (esp side hose nozzle clean air machines)The only clean air upright that can match the Kirby performance is the Royal "Powercast" series uprights. the Royal model has is intake hose in the center of the floor nozzle. the airflow is balanced. this improves performance greatly.(you know-older design)! the Royal powercast is VERY heavy to push-would not reccomend to women users. It needs the Tech-Drive like a Kirby. I even bought the dirt meter from the Kirby salesman. I you talk to them enough-they may sell you one. He was fasinated that I collected vacuums.
LINK: http://Kirby vacs and CR
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Post# 33308-10/2/2003-20:48 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Kirby)
MESSAGE: I didn't say I read them, a few other people have told me about CR's inconsistency. Plus I only used Kirby as an example, whether they do that with Kirbies or not is irrelevent, I just needed an example.
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Post# 33309-10/2/2003-20:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor dryer drying times)
MESSAGE: I just meant general. For a vented dryer, the general drying time is 40-50 minutes. PP or other light shirts and pants would take 40 minutes or slightly less for a full load, towels, jeans etc would take 50 minutes or slightly more even. Surely a condensor drying times wouldn't vary too much.
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Post# 33310-10/2/2003-20:53 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor drying)
MESSAGE: If it had to be emptied by hand then hardly any water would evaporate into the room if it was emptied right after the cycle. A steamy shower would release more moisture than standing water in a dryer.
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Post# 33311-10/2/2003-20:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Kirby)
MESSAGE: Oh, OK, in that case, I wonder what issues of CR THEY were reading....:-)
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Post# 33312-10/2/2003-21:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: Vintage vacuums are very well "classic appliances" The topic doesn't have to be washers all the time. So I think we are right on track. You are right, the newest Kirbys are slightly different but really, they haven't done a complete overhaul with their design. Apparently though, the next model to come out WILL be completely different. I am curious to see what Kirby has up their sleeves now.
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Post# 33313-10/2/2003-21:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Kirby)
MESSAGE: I should have made my comment more speculation since I have not actually read them for myself. In any case, I would only ever take CR as a guide when buying anything.
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Post# 33314-10/2/2003-21:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Penncrest Dryer
MESSAGE: Brent, under the hoood it's a Hotpoint. Penny's sourced their appliances mostly from Hotpoint.
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Post# 33315-10/2/2003-21:13 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor dryer drying times)
MESSAGE: And whetheer the companion washer is a Unimatic 1140 rpm machine!!!!!
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Post# 33316-10/2/2003-21:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (CR)
MESSAGE: I don't always follow their advice, becuase some things are opinion rather than actual experience. They tend to look for the most value for the $, so they tend to recommend MOL models or state that the extra cost for a certain option or feature isn't worth it. I don't always care about that, so I may follow their advice as to functionality and especially repair records of certain brands, but buy the TOL model of the brand they recommend. I like Bells & Whistles! Even if I rarely use a certain feature on an appliance, I know that if I ever need it, it's THERE, and I don't have to ever say "Damn, I wish I'd bought the better model!" or "Why did't I get that option?" down the road. Rather have it available and hardly used than needed but not available becuase of "thriftiness"
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Post# 33317-10/2/2003-21:54 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (CR)
MESSAGE: I am the SAME way. I am always guilty by not using all the features all the time, esspecially with computers. But for appliances (notice I resisted the temptation to ramble about computers.) I like to have features, like 2nd rinse, plenty of speeds and temps. Now I shouldn't be so guilty since I know something is there for the using even if I use it rarely. The best feature on washers is the infinite water level control. I miss that on our belt drive (our new washer has 5 levels.) we use the water level selection ALL the time, we use different temps quite a bit and I use a couple different speeds (either normal or fast, not many delicate speeds for me, I want turnover and good cleaning:-)
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Post# 33318-10/2/2003-23:09 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: Frigdaire 1-18 Poppy Red
MESSAGE: I have this listed for sale at E-bay, but perhaps I listed it in the wrong category under Fridgidare, not vintage appliances?
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Post# 33319-10/2/2003-23:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (Wisk )
MESSAGE: most of the time Kirby introduces a new variation of a main model about every three years. Then they introduce a new model series about every ten years. Yes-if predictions go the way we think-a new series should be introduced.
kirby keeps this very classified-new model introductions suprize the field distributers. They guard new models just be fore introduction as car companies with their new models or aircraft manufacturers introducing new jet fighter models. According to some kirby trade magazine-the new models may be introduced to a test market about a year before relasing to all markets. byh the way another vac I didn't mention that performs about like the Kirbys is the Royal classic uprights. Lighter to push than the powercast models(I have 2)I have several Classic uprights. the "Rite-Hite" knob nozzle height udjust works best. Kirby has the best nozzle height pedal adjust. I am too awaiting Kirby's new model!!
LINK: http://kirby new models
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Post# 33320-10/3/2003-00:27 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (New Kirby?)
MESSAGE: I have a G4 that I bought new. I'd be curious to see what a new model would be like, however your link doesn't seem to work. Could you repost it please.
I've been using mine during the house remodel, cleaning everything from dog hair from two dobermans to concrete thinset that I've chipped from the floor. It's doing just great!
Prior to the Kirby, I did have a Panasonic that was highly rated by Consumer Report. However in an all adult household, it literally fell apart after 3 years of use. I think I've posted about that before.
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Post# 33321-10/3/2003-01:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (New Kirby?)
MESSAGE: You can see information on the Kirby Ultimate G on their website. www. kirby.com.
I am surprized you did not break or erode the fan in your machine while you were picking up the mess from remodeling. Since all the G series machines have plastic fans(the BIG disadvantage-the metal fans were stronger) Shows the fans are stronger than usual. It does show that many traditional design machines arte stronger than most clean air vacs. I try to be careful what I let mine pick up. When I helped remodel my friends house I used my NNS Model M1 vac to clean up the messes. It works better than any shop vac. the NSS M1 is a large all metal commercial canister type vacuum. It has an external filter bag(mine uses the paper inserts)A scrap trap on the snout of the machine prevents nails and such from getting into the fan. the fan is eight in in diameter and turned by a 12 Amp motor. This is anotrher one of my favorites. the manufacturer affectionately calls the machin e "the Pig" I have seen it pick up some nails and electrical box slugs-that did get into its fan-no damage to it. the nail or slug was bent over. You can see it on the website-I think it is nessie. com. the design of this vacuum is over 60 years old.
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Post# 33322-10/3/2003-03:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor drying)
MESSAGE: Since my condenser dryer is connected to a drain I don't feel there is any difference in daily use between my vented dryer and my condenser one. I use the vented dryer in the summer time so the warm air is blown outside. As soon as the central heating is on I start using the condenser dryer (which was last week). Emptying the container is not a big pain, the water is only lukewarm. If you want you can save it for using in an iron since it's distilled water.
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Post# 33323-10/3/2003-03:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor dryer drying times)
MESSAGE: Depending on the load it takes around 5 - 10 minutes longer. Since heating elements in European dryer are smaller than in American ones they are slower anyway.
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Post# 33324-10/3/2003-06:31 ||| CHRISTFR (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: condensing dryers and combos (condensor drying)
MESSAGE: GREG SHARED ALOT OF INFO ABOUT THIS DRYER WHEN I FOUND MINE I LOVE THIS MACHINE IT STILL RUNS SO WELL FOR BEING AS OLD AS IT IS AND I CANT GET OVER HOW QUIET IT REALLY IS THIS ONE REALLY DOES DO A GREAT JOB IT DRYS JUST AS FAST AS MY REGULAR DRYER BUT ITS SO MUCH MORE FUN TO PLAY WITH
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Post# 33325-10/3/2003-07:29 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigdaire 1-18 Poppy Red (multiple areas)
MESSAGE: Try listing it under multiple areas, such as: Washing machine, Washer, Collectables, etc. That would get you more exposure
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Post# 33326-10/3/2003-08:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Sept 03 Road Trip to Ohio
MESSAGE: I finally found the time to sort and post some photos of our road trip last week. Don S (jetaction) and I met in DesMoines, IA and drove out to Jimmy's in Ohio last week. We had a great time, Jimmy is a wonderful host and his collections are incredible to see, he has some very rare appliances - large and small and many toys and items from the 50's and 60's. I spent several hours pouring over back issues of Consumer Reports from the 1930's - 1960's.
Don and I started our appliance tour in Newton, Iowa the headquarters of Maytag. They have a factory store on their campus that is open to the public which has a collection of brand new washers and dryers that represent a small portion of their history. Included in the store were several wringer washers, a 49 AMP washer, an 806 washer but the most fun was the brand new combination. All of these were on a raised platform, but we could still reach them and "play" with them which was quite exciting since they still had all the original packing in them.
We spent a lot of time using Jimmy's collection of appliances, he has one of the most beautiful Flair ranges I've ever seen in his kitchen but that is only the beginning, there are too many neat things to mention here but I did take some pictures which I've posted for everyone to see.
Thank you again Jimmy for hosting such a wonderful time for us, we had such a great time!!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/lst?.dir=/Sept+03+Ohio&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 33327-10/3/2003-08:16 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (NSS M-1 "
PIG")
MESSAGE: Thank you for mentioning the "PIG" vacuum! When I was a kid, the Wieboldt's department store used those machines for cleaning. I was scared to death of them at the time...something seemed sinister (yet fascinating) about that giant puffed up blue bag. In adulthood, I had no idea what kind of machine they were...I never saw one again after Wieboldt's went out of business. I had no idea how to even begin to hunt one down. What a cool vacuum!
T.
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Post# 33328-10/3/2003-09:53 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: Sept 03 Road Trip to Ohio (Newton, Ia)
MESSAGE: On my trip to the coast before I move, I thought I too would make a final pilgrimage to Newton. Can't wait to see that store!
When I was in junior high school, my Mom took me to Newton over fall school break. I spent hours at the Maytag historical museum that was in downtown. One day we went to plant 2 and went in and looked all over. Later, when we were eating our sandwiches in the car, plant security came out and told us we couldn't do that. Too Late!!!
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Post# 33329-10/3/2003-11:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Sept 03 Road Trip to Ohio (link not working ??)
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Post# 33330-10/3/2003-12:04 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: About the Kirby
MESSAGE: Everyone,
I have been talking latly to my freind who owns the Kirby dealer in Lansing, and it is true. that Kirby will be introducing a completely new model sometime VERY soon. Kirby knows that it's technology is waning some, and wishes to update it. Just like the Hoover Convertible which was a mainstay for my company from 1957-1990.
We diddn't ever change it much, we just changed the color (like Kirby), or made the hoods different(like kirby) and they sold like gangbusters until we stupidly pulled the plug on the home market machines in the winter of 1989. Machines were still available varying from store to store as late as 1992.
Thankfully, however they continued very basic Hoover Convertibles as the Hoover Commercial upright even available today. I sell more of those than people will believe. In the last year I have sold well over 100 to different people who wish to retain that basic older design. Some people do not like to change much.
Back to the Kirby. I know that the NEW machine was supposed to be designed with tools on board, and was sounding to me like it was going to look probably similiar to the new Royal Powercast. With that in mind, let us now hope that Kirby can present something to us that actually MAY live up to their promises that they give to the public...like the best cleaning ability in the industry.
I have owned more Kirby's than most, as I do have a collection of old vacuums which you all should know by now, considering my last post. I have a 1947 model 505, a 1955 model 505, a 1965 Sanitronic, a 1969 Dual Sanitronic, the very first Kirby to have a two speed motor,a 1973 Kirby Classic Omega, a 1980 Kirby Tradition, and I use to have a 1989 Kirby Heritage II.
I gave that to a relative that happend to go thru vacuums like water. She constantly sucks up things tha she ought not to, but considering that she has a form of untreatable stupidity or something, she constantly is breaking things.
Consumer Reports, to me is a paid for magazine by the industry. Whomever gives them the biggest donation, gets the best review of products. I do wish to add that Hoover never did this to my knowledge, and I DO know Hoover well enough that we are the #1 manufacturer of cleaners in the world, because until last year 2002, not one vaccum cleaner made , touched ours in carpet cleaning ability...INCLUDING Kirby.
Only Kenmore's Power-Mate Canister outcleaned our canister in the 1976 report. But in 1977 when we had our Power-Matic I powernozzle, we took that back. The 1976 model was tested WITHOUT a powerhead. Pretty neat if you ask me. And in 2002 Kenmore's upright the Progressive, was given a higher mark because it was "technically" QUIETER than our Windtunnel Self-Propelled upright. It diddn't clean better, it was just quieter....Who the heck cares...It DOESN'T Clean better...
When it comes down to it, you need beater bars to beat out the deep lying grit and sand that destroys rugs. And even today in a form, our agitators have beater bars that gently tap the carpet, and the stiff sweeping bristles will raise the nap on even the most trodden carpet.
Every time I go to vacuum my folk's house with my Windtunnel Canister model 3639, I fill up a bag with carpet lint and dog hair. And that's sweeping a mixture of Berber, Sculptured, and that new gangly shag that is regaining popularity....Every now and then...that Windtunnel Powernozzle kicks up a stray rabbit... Not bad in my book
What does she use normally? a 1979 Kirby Tradition...
Case
Point
Period.
Any one care to respond...
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Post# 33331-10/3/2003-14:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sept 03 Road Trip to Ohio (link not working ??)
MESSAGE: Should be OK now, I know I set it for "everyone" but sometimes "Yahoo!" isn't an exclamation of joy anymore...
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Post# 33332-10/3/2003-15:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Sept 03 Road Trip to Ohio
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, thanks for the pictures. Looks like you all had a great time. Not that difficult I guess with so many wonderful appliances!
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Post# 33333-10/3/2003-17:54 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT: I just won this on Ebay
MESSAGE: Hi All
I just won a Westinghouse Dryer music box on ebay. Does anyone have the wireing diag. for the 53 Westy dryer so when it comes I can get it hooked up properly.
Thanks
John
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2348958192&category=20714
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Post# 33334-10/3/2003-18:06 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Sept 03 Road Trip to Ohio (link not working ??)
MESSAGE: Hmmm... still getting that same error message. I wnder what's wrong.
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Post# 33335-10/3/2003-18:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Sept 03 Road Trip to Ohio (Yahoo is down...)
MESSAGE: I'm getting it now too but it was working OK after I changed the privacy thingy. I just talked with Eddy in Vancouver, BC and he couldn't make it work either so hopefully it will up again later.
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Post# 33336-10/3/2003-20:27 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: I just won this on Ebay (CONGRATULATIONS!!!!)
MESSAGE: That is SO cool! I've never actually seen one of those in operation, but I've always loved that quirky little touch on those dryers.
I have a '58 Hotpoint range that plays a little ditty when the meat-tender unit hits its target.
Contrast that with my modern Kenmore dryer that has the most annoying buzz when it's done.
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Post# 33337-10/3/2003-20:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (CR donations)
MESSAGE: "Consumer Reports, to me is a paid for magazine by the industry. Whomever gives them the biggest donation, gets the best review of products."
CR is FAR from a paid for magazine by any industry. They make a BIG deal about being independent. And since the people working there tend to be very consumer rights oriented, if that were going on, you can be sure somebody would be blowing the whistle on them. I can't imagine them taking money from Hoover, Kirby, or anybody else that wasn't another consumer organization or regular people.
"And in 2002 Kenmore's upright the Progressive, was given a higher mark because it was "technically" QUIETER than our Windtunnel Self-Propelled upright. It diddn't clean better, it was just quieter....Who the heck cares...It DOESN'T Clean better... "
CR takes everything into account, not just cleaning ability. Some people DO care about the noise level, so the quieter Kenmore got the higher OVERALL mark, even though it didn't clean any better. And as I mentioned before, they never said Kirby was a bad vacuum, but for them it was hard to justify that PRICE. Remember, they also take into account value for the money. Kirbys are a great vacuum, but are they THAT much better? We're talking over $500 for a vacuum cleaner! For that kind of money one would almost expect it to vacuum the rugs by itself, like in some of those TV commercials. I own a Kirby G4, and everytime I use it I wonder why I'm manually winding up a power cord on a $500+ machine when my Electrolux tank, and the Whirlpool-built Kenmore the Kirby replaced, have automatic cord retractors. And having to either order the bags from Kirby at full price, or make a special trip to a vacuum store to buy them, irks me a little, when bags for the Electrolux are available virtually everywhere, with even a choice of different brands. Admittedly, the Kenmore had that bag availability problem, too, in that I had to either go to Sears or a vacuum store to get its bags. But then, its bags were much easier to change than the Kirby's, and the Electrolux bags are a BREEZE to change. As a consequence, I alternate vacuuming duties between the Electrolux (with a Eureka power head some vacuum shop grafted onto it) and the Kirby so as to not have to deal with the Kirby bag problem as often.
Speaking of bags, it seems to me this trend to "bagless" is a step backward in vacuum cleaner technology. Wasn't whole point of bags was to not have to empty cloth bags? I know the new breed has dirt cups, but you still have dust flying when you empty them. And I wonder how long it will take for all the abrasive dust whirling around to cloud the clear plastic windtunnel chamber on a lot of the new machines?
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Post# 33338-10/3/2003-23:36 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: I thought those were some interesting points about the Kirby. I'm an "option freak" and some of features you point out I'd never thought about.
I bought mine as my mom had a Kirby that lasted over 30 years. I sorry to see they went to a paper bag. Yes, finding bags on a Sunday can be a real pain. As a kid, one of the fun things was watching her scoop out all the gunk from the bag. I was looking forward to doing that! What can I say, I lived a sheltered life. I also enjoyed watching her put her Maytag wringer washer through its paces every Monday, doing mountains of laundry for our family of seven.
As I'm in the process of tiling the house here, my G4 will be semi-retired and I'll be looking at one of those new Hoover tile scrubers.
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Post# 33339-10/4/2003-10:31 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (I like Kirby)
MESSAGE: I like Kirby better than Hoover. I've had my share of Hoovers-Dial-a-Matics, Convertables, a Constellation. I loved my old Hoover Air-o-dyne with the self-shaking dust bag and wonderful tool kit. Now all the hoovers are so plasticky and cheesy looking. I just can't stomach a plastic vacuum cleaner! I have a Kirby G-3 and it always seems to have great suction for the carpet and tools. Maybe that the Kirby is a bit easier on carpets cuz the brushes are softer. I love having a million and one attachments and I love the drama of a good Kirby demo. The Kirby is the perfect vacuum for me. There is no perfect vacuum because everyone likes something different. My other vacuum is a '63 Compact. Great filtration and completely indestructable. These are the vacuums I'm shipping to Hawaii with me. I can't imagine life without them!
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Post# 33340-10/4/2003-14:36 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better!
MESSAGE: Hey,
I don't have any issues with people that buy Kirby's. Like I posted before I have more than probably anyone here...revert to my previous post to see the list of what I have. I just believe that anyone that says that a Kirby cleans better than anything Hoover makes is unfortunatly mistaken.
Here is some of the reasons that Hoover is a better all around, affordable cleaner and has been since we introduced the FIRST portable electric cleaner in 1908, with the model O.
Our very first cleaner weighed 40 lbs, about 10 more than today's Kirby. It used a not too powerful ceiling fan motor, but had a revolving brush, a sateen bag for the dust collection,and it also had a complete "dusting attachment set for it" IN 1908 mind you. It cleaned, not excellently but in 1909 we started amking our product better every year and have been doing so ever since. BTW, Kirby wasn't around until 1925.
Some of Hoovers engineering triumphs-Not resorted to color or trim color changes...
1926- August 1926, The Hoover Cleaner model 700. It was the very first cleaner that introduced the industry changing "Beats As It Sweeps As It Cleans" agitation principle. We haven't changed this much as today's Windtunnels do use a beaterbar and brush combination system. Kirby doesn't do this. Also the brushes on a Kirby are softer. You need a good stiff bristle brush to get at the carpet fibers. We have always had this even back to the beginning of a trend , The Triple Action System of 1927.
Granted, our filtration system hasn't always been the best, neither has Kirby's. They waited until 1979 when the Tradition bowed, and under increased pressure from dealers and the consumers to give the buyer the option of a paper bag system.
So like many people who owned these things, you had to scrape the inside of the cloth bag with the Sani-Scraper, and push all the smut and nasty that you clened up, in to the Sani-Emtor, and push it down out of the collector. NOT tooo sanitary if you ask me.
1941-We had a paper bag ready finally for the market in 1940-1941 with the Hoover Model 60 Upright cleaner. We started slowly in 1937 with the model 150 as a test bed with the Handi-Sac style W bag. This paper collector could be shaken out and reused several times.
1948- hoover introduced the Hoover Model 28 which was our most popular machine to date with som 1.7 million of them being produced between 1948-1950. This machine cleaned more homes in the baby boom era than any other manufacturer.
1952-It wasn't until the Hoover model 63 in Septemeber,1952 that the most common Type C non-reuseable bag appeared. This cleaner being lower and lighter than previous models, had side mount attachments and a more powerful motor than previous models.
(Sidebar)-The reason why we diddn't have paper bags sooner is because Air-Way Sanitizor of Toledo Ohio had a patent on the "paper dust collector" , and it's patents diddn't expire till June of 1952. So Air-Way tried to sue us, but we sued them back for making an upright with beaterbars with their DirtMaster Model 37 From 1937-39. So as soon as Air-Way's patent expired, we had bags.
August 1954- Hoover introduced it's widly popular Hoover Constellation cleaner that was a full powered canister that used paper bags. It had a bathysphere shape and had a metal ring around the bottom that the upper ball sat on. It used a swivel top hose connector so you could move around the room as you cleaned. Earlier Hoover canisters were of the cylinder type like Electrolux, and were bulkier, and used cloth bags.
The Constellation took the dragging out of the cleaner by pushing the exhaust air thru the bottom metal ring and it lifted up the cleaner just enough so it would glide over rugs. So instead of dragincleanin it was hydrocleanin.
September 1956-When the Hoover Convertible Model 65 appeared for 1957, we gave the consumer one of the lowest, lightest, most powerful upright vacuum in the industry at that time. Because we thought out the attachments, so you could slide the attachment converter in the back and it would "automatically" shifted the motor to "high" to give better suction for the attachments. We also had a full wraparound headlight so you could see not only along the walls as you cleaned, but you could also see well what was in front of you.
April 1959- Hoover introduced it's very first bare floor cleaner Called the Hoover Floor Washer. It diddn't have the motorized scrubbing brusheds that today's Floor-Mate has. but it did spray a detergent water combination on the floor and it had a stationary scrub brush to clean bare floors. It also squegee vacuumed up the dirty water.
March 1963-When the Hoover Dial-A-Matic appeared in fall of 1963, it was the VERY first clean air upright ever in the industry. Instead of dirt going thru a fan, it traveled up a dirt tube to a paper collector inside the bag chamber that was sealed. Also, the Dial-A-Matic was the first cleaner that had easy to use tool conversion.
The exhaust air was discharged from the nmachine above floor level, thru a filtration system of sorts that used a sponge rubber foam to filter out all of the missed particles. A simple twist of the dial gave three carpet suction speeds, and three tool suction speeds.It also had automatic carpet height adjustment, and a bag full signal that worked remarkably well. Not bad for 1963 technology.
June 1967-In 1967 Hoover fielded the industry's FIRST Self-Propelled upright cleaner the Dial-A-Matic Self Propelled. It took the pushing and pulling out of vacuuming. It wasn't until the late 1970's and early 80's that other manufacturers got into Self-Propelled cleaners, and wasn't until 1993 with the G-3 that Kirby did it because their machine was so heavy and unwieldly.
In August 1975 We introduced our Triple Action Agitation principal to our excellent canister the Hoover Celebrity. It was the first canister to offer a 12 amp motor, and we made it better with the Introduction of the PowerMatic Powerhead. It firmly pulled us into the forefront of full powered canister/uprights that cleaned rugs just as well as our regular upright line.
In 1979 we introduced the Hoover Concept One that laid the groundwork for some of our best cleaning uprights ever offered. It introduced the Quadroflex Agitator, which used four seperate beater bar brush combination strips on all steel revolving mandrel. It also had two speeds, and PowerDrive which continued the now discontinued Dialamatic's 1967 achievement. It offered an air-freshner that you could use scented tablets in to freshen the room as you cleaned. this machine went virtually unchanged until 1992 or so.
In 1983 We introduced the Hoover Elite -horizontal motor upright. It was first offered without, but later added tools on board. It started Hoovers unfortunate trend to all plastic appliances, but in it's defense it has been the chioce of the Blue collar set for 20 years now and is still popular with the buying public,Even now.
In 1985 We introduced the Hoover Dimension 1000 Canister cleaner. It was the first machine by us to use an electronic slide motor speed control on the hose Handgrip, the Quadroflex Powernozzle agitator with brushroll shutoff switch, and had micro filtration; about 10 years before the indutry made this feature it's sole pitch.
I'm going to stop here not because we diddn't do more...we did, but because in the vacuum cleaner collecting world after 1985 is when most all vacuum cleaners started to loose their uniqueness and identity.
Kind of like in 1979 when WCI swallowed the resto of the appliance field including Gibson and Frigidaire. All of these machines that had any uniqueness, were no longer as such.
Chad
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Post# 33341-10/4/2003-14:52 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: At the same time I had two hand-me-down vacuum cleaners. One was a pre WWII Electrolux tank model that had the cloth bag and woven fabric hose. It was black with chrome embellishments, no wheels, runners like a snow sled and it looked like a train locomotive. It was so powerful. I swear it could pull out nails! Second was a Kirby from around the same time period. It too had the cloth bag. Its design was like that of the quintessential upright vacuum depicted in old cartoons.
For ten years I used both without any problems other than to replace a power cords, belts, etc. I was obviously to dumb to know any better. In 1980 Eureka was advertising their new tank model with a power head. With no reason to do so I got rid of the Electrolux and Kirby. Immediately upon doing so I realized what a mistake. Since then I can't even count how many vacuums I have purchased.
Three different rejpairman have told me that this bag less fad is good for business. Because the motors quickly burn out. I know this because my bag less didn't last a year. I have never like vacumming. Although, I found the chore more bearable with the vintage cleaners I stupidly replaced.
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Post# 33342-10/4/2003-15:24 ||| Partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: So drag whatever plastic piece of sh*t you are currently using to clean with down to the local vac shop and ask them to set you up with a sturdy vintage cleaner or two. An old Kirby or the old metal Hoover convertable upright and a solid old metal canister or tank cleaner such as a lux or filter queen or compact. My mother bought a Revelation (same as compact or tri-star) in 1951. This little beetle has even been dropped down flights of steps and works to this day. I doubt any of the new plastic machiines could survive this kind of (ab)use
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Post# 33343-10/4/2003-17:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better!
MESSAGE: The model 700 was WAY ahead of its time. Combine that body and agitator with today's motors and you would have the ULTIMATE vacuum. Not only about all the cleaning improvements hoover thought up, but Kirbys still have the belt in the center of the dirt path, Hoover did away with that with the dials (perhaps earlier.) Kirbys clean ok, but the design is old and dated and they are WAY overpriced. No vacuum should cost over 3 digits. That is ridiculus... When you spend the same money for a vacuum that you do for a front loading washer with all the toys, you know something is wrong.
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Post# 33344-10/4/2003-17:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: You can find another model 30 (xxx, most don't say xxx anymore for obvious reasons.) electrolux model EASILY. There were literally millions sold and there are definietly thousands left around collecting dust. Based on your description, you definitely had a pre-model G elextrolux, I bet you had the model 30. As for the Kirby, you would probably have a harder time.
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Post# 33345-10/4/2003-18:03 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: True, in fact we dropped our hoover spirit (1981) down a flight of stairs, both rear wheels snapped off but other than that it still works fine, I could replace the wheels easily but the vacuum is in bad shape so it isn't really worth it. The motor bearings are on their way out too. The light blue plastic body has tons of scuffs and scratches, the on/off switch sparks when moved from on to off or off to on, the quadraflex PN is beat up too (although I just replaced the belt and brush/bar strips and it works like new, just looks like something from the dump, kinda like the maytags from work:-)
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Post# 33346-10/4/2003-18:41 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: Thanks. Point well taken. Ask the guy at the vacuum store to set me up with a vintage machine? Now why didn't I think of that? Most recently I got suckered and wasted my money again on the Oreck vacuum system. I live in southern CA and the floors are mostly tile and hardwood with some Orientals. The guy assured me that the two speed Oreck is the one. Wrong!!! Like I said. I do not like vacuuming. Now I hate it even more. I so regret having replaced that ancient Electrolux tank model. It was perfect for hardwood floors and small carpets.
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Post# 33347-10/4/2003-20:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: The Oreck is wrong for everyone. It really isn't vacuum worthy, it is not meant as a full size vacuum (contrary to the ads.) it can't handle the job of a full size vacuum.
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Post# 33348-10/4/2003-21:06 ||| JohnBarnstead (Nova Scotia Canada)
SUBJECT: GE Mobile Maid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: My father, John Winfred Barnstead, worked on the Mobile Maid during the 1950s at General Electric's Appliance Park, and was the engineer in charge of either the 1957 or 1958 model year, I believe. I would be very interested in information participants in this forum might have about the Mobile Maid, and would be especially pleased to hear from anyone who might have worked with my father. I would also be very happy to hear from participants in the GE Creative Engineering Program during 1952-54.
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Post# 33349-10/5/2003-06:39 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Replacement
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I am back after a very tough week at work, after a 3 week lay off. I was meant to get a replacement Hotpoint top loader at the end of last week, I didnt because one of the guys at the shop was taken ill. I should get one tommorow 6/10/2003 YAYYYYYYYYY, the old one has gotton much worse when the break lifts off to spin. A loud clanging sound comes from the inside of the machine. So now its totally unsable :-( I look forward to it arriving and getting the laundry done. regards to one and all HBMUK
for those who are new to this site here is my hotpoint link
LINK: http://www.kevinkunsworth.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/hotpoint
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Post# 33350-10/5/2003-09:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck)
MESSAGE: I've NEVER believed those Oreck commercials, they just seemed too far fetched.
I've noticed the vacuums favored by most hotel/motels for the maids use are the Hoover or Eureka metal body commercial uprights with the old-fashioned cloth bag.
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Post# 33351-10/5/2003-11:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: Rhinnie update 10/05/2003
MESSAGE: See the link
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/message/1883
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Post# 33352-10/5/2003-11:35 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck=Junk!)
MESSAGE: I had a chance to use an Oreck at a friends house, and I thought it was the cheeziest wobbily-handled junk I'd ever seen.
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Post# 33353-10/5/2003-14:04 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: A few manufacturers over the years have chosen to use the wording of "EXTRACT" instead of "SPIN" on their control panels. The only one that comes to mind directly is Norge. Are there any others out there that did this?
MRB
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Post# 33354-10/5/2003-14:06 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: "Overflow Rinse"
MESSAGE: Who/Whom was the last American brand to feature an overflow rinse and what was the last year of availabilty?
MRB
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Post# 33355-10/5/2003-15:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: I have seen the word "extract" on the commercial front loaders at the laundromat. I think there was a manufacturer that used the term on their home machines other than Norge, but I can't seem to remember......
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Post# 33356-10/5/2003-17:15 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Overflow Rinse"
MESSAGE: I think that would be the Speed Queen and last year of the solid tub production was 1980 but that was here in Canada.
Eddy
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Post# 33357-10/5/2003-17:17 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: SQ motor
MESSAGE: Speaking of Speed Queens, check out this SQ motor and solenoid for the old machines!
I have a spare so I don't think I'll bid.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2351371183&category=20714&rd=1
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Post# 33358-10/5/2003-17:51 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Overflow Rinse" (Thought So...)
MESSAGE: I suspected it was Speed Queen, but I wasn't exactly sure. When was the last year for the "Penncrest" brand name?
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Post# 33359-10/5/2003-17:54 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: SQ motor (Tearin' up...)
MESSAGE: I haven't seen a solid tub Speed Queen in action in many years. I miss that agitation arc and the chrome crown. The solenoid shifters were so much better than the reversing motor series too.
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Post# 33360-10/5/2003-19:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (Extract vs Spin)
MESSAGE: This is a case of American English vs. "proper" English, which people in Europe have been taught and those are the people who decided how to word instruction manuals and controls. They use the word they remember when learning English. In this case, it's simply substituting a meaning. They say "Extract", which is WHAT the machine is doing, and we say "Spin", which is HOW it's doing the extracting. Another example is "lift" and "elevator". "Lift" is what it DOES, "elevator" is what it IS. So the English have made "lift" (a verb) into a noun to describe a thing and we have taken elevate (a verb)and made a new word, "elevator" to describe a thing (a noun).
If somebody is an English teacher, please correct me if I'm wrong.
And the first part is a theory, does it make sense? Only an educated guess.
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Post# 33361-10/5/2003-19:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "Overflow Rinse" (solid tub sand disposal)
MESSAGE: For the people who've owned or used solid tub machines, how do the various brands deal with sand over the years? Seems like it would be a real problem vs perforated baskets where the sand can fall through to the outer tub. I suspect the competing brands in the famous Westinghouse sand disposal TV commercial were all solid tub machines.
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Post# 33362-10/5/2003-19:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: SQ motor (Speed Queen mechanism)
MESSAGE: Boy, this is the first time I've seen the guts of an SQ machine, and it sure looks simple!
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Post# 33363-10/5/2003-19:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Hamilton Dryer in New York (NSS M-1 )
MESSAGE: The machine is built by National Super Service-in Toledo Ohio.They build products for the commercial-janitoral industry. Their website is NSS.com. You should be able to look up a dealer distrituter in your area.
the new machines are black in color. they now only sell one type of bag-called the "universal bag" It can be used as a dump bag or use with the paper insert bags. I use the paper bags-less messy. They cost about $25 for a pack of 6. The bag will hold about 1 bushel of debris.You might luck out and find a machine at a used janitoral supplier. I have also seen M1 pigs sold on EBAY. The older machines as you have noticed are yellow and with blue bags. At one time there was three bag options-A standard cotton sateen dump bag,thicker wolen dump bag,and then a cotton sateen zipper top bag that used paper bags. the current paper bags are dual layer. the universal bag is a similar fabric that new kirby bags are made from-filtration is better than old bags. The new bags will fit older machines. Good luck in finding one!! I have three and will not give them up-one of them is 30 years old!!Is a COOL machine! I have used mine in cleaning out commercial Broadcast transmitters. One TV transmitter I cleaned out had enough dust in it to fill one of the paper bags.I also have an electric power carpet nozzle to use with the pig.
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Post# 33364-10/5/2003-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck=Junk!)
MESSAGE: Agreed-I have one also. Most of the vac dealers I work with mention the Oreck machine is sold to older users(ederly women)Those older folks like the lightweight canister vac that goes with the upright. As far as I am concerned the Oreck is nothing more than the most expensive broom vac. The new XL2 model lists for $699. Comes with the canister. I would rather put this money toward the Kirby ,Filter Queen,Or VINTAGE Tri-star Compact cleaner. I also think the Oreck is harder to push on plush carper than the Kirby. Just wanted one to round out my collection.
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Post# 33365-10/5/2003-20:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (Kirby vs Hoover.)
MESSAGE: Yes-Hoover made some very fine vacuujms. I can remember my mothers Dial-A Matic. Was a better machine than the plastic dumpster vacs built today. I know several that are still in use. I think when Hoover was taken over by the same company that own Maytag _both went downhill fast!!
I think the Kirby is better because it MOVES THE AIR!! It will outperform ANY Vertical motor Upright. I have and tried them all-Eurika Sanitaire,Koblentz and Hoover pancake body machines.(vert motor) The problems with these is the orientation of the fan intake and air path.the fans on these are smaller and move less air. The motors are less powerful.If you made them more so-the hood height would be too high. The intake and discharge(to the bag) are too small. Talk about outdated designs. The vert motor machines do just fine on shallow pile carpets and rugs. I used to have a metal body Hoover upright(wished I kept it)but when I moved to a house with deep pile carpet it just did not work well. You could not raise the head high enough to work. Its kind of strange-I use other vacs with the belt in the center of the rollerbrush and they perform very well(Royal classic.) I would put these against others any day-The classic design will "blow them away" It seems this design is the shortest path from the motor to the roller brush. I liked that old Hooover though anyway-was a classic-Didn't collect at that time.
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Post# 33366-10/5/2003-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: I like the Paper bag equippped Kirbys-Less messy when time to dump.The sani-emptor seals would wear quickly-causing dust you just picked up to be blown back up just like a leaf blower.That feature of Kirbys I did not like. Also the dump bag Kirbys should be emptied after each use. This rule should be applied to any dump bag or bin vacuum. You do not want to "store" dirt in these. I think the last model Kirby that had the saniemptor was the Tradition. Most models from that to the G series allowed the buyer the choice of getting the dump bag or disposable bag systems when they bought their Kirby from the seller. the G series was Disposable bag only.The Ultimate G disposable bags have better filtration and a seal that closes when the bag is removed from the machine. As far as bags go-any Kirby Dist has them or any well equipted vac store carrys them. yes-I think the only GOOD machines Hoover makes are their Floor machines(carpet cleaners and floor cleaners) The Spin-Scrub steam cleaner unit I have can be configured to clean carpets or bare floors.
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Post# 33367-10/5/2003-20:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (new kirby)
MESSAGE: I guess I have to call the dist in my area( know two of them) and see if they have any to say about it. Yes this getting close to the time when "fall" vac models will come out. Usually Kirby is VERY secrative on this. The distributers may not know. Kirby introduces these suddenly. It sounds interesting. Typicaaly from most vac manufacturers Fall and Spring is when new models will be introduced. There is also rumers that Rainbow will introduce a new model(E2) and Filter Queen may come out with a new one too.
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Post# 33368-10/5/2003-21:10 ||| Abrock (louisiana)
SUBJECT: Kitchenaid KDS-18
MESSAGE: We are not collectors. In looking for a used dishwasher we have stumbled upon an UNUSED KA Suberba. I did a websearch for information on it and was surprised to find that it was made prior to 1986 (has "by Hobart" on it). Further perusal of the original manual and sales brochure that were inside it leads us to believe it was made in 1976. There are two manufacturers' coupons in it, Cascade and Finish, with 76 printed on them. It still has shipping ties on the adjustable racks and the model label stuck to the inside of the door. The serial number is 200640259. It is black with pushbuttons, not a dial in sight, and has a robin's egg blue with speckles enamel interior, SS arm and filter, and blue racks. It had been sitting outside for a couple of months, so it got wet on the inside and the paperwork is a bit mildewy but the inside of the unit is spotless. I'll attempt to answer any questions, but my question is -Is there a market for this DW? It seems a good idea to find it a home where it will be appreciated.
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Post# 33369-10/5/2003-21:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: I have had the unfortunate experiance of a rug ruined by a vac with PLASTIC beater bars-If you pick up a metal or sharp object it cracks or severly nicks the plastic bar. This will turn into a cutting tool to cut,and snag your carpet. Beater bars Should be made of the POLISHED STEEL only.-no plastic.
A good alternative to beater bars is brush stiffeners-Royal uses them on their classic uprights. this vacuum is the only one I have used that can get dried mud off a carpet or rug.Yes the polished steel bars in the older Hoover vac were effective. I think most people are afraid of the bars today.They fear it will cause carpet-rug wear. the bar just vibrates the carpet better. The Kirby just might be better still if they offered a metal body roller brush with replaceable brush strips and the poslished steel beater bar.
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Post# 33370-10/5/2003-22:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck)
MESSAGE: Any vacuum can lift a bowling ball easily with the right attachment, but who picks up bowling balls anyway. The Oreck has something like a tiny 4 amp motor that spins at something like 20,000 rpm. To clean well you need good agitation, good airflow and good suction, something basic hoovers and eurekas have.
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Post# 33371-10/5/2003-22:28 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Maytag Gyrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: The machine is in Desert Hot Springs, Ca which is
15 minute drive from Palm Springs. I saw machine
Friday. It is in immaculate condition. I plan on
buying it. I hope link to Ebay listing works.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2350422364&category=20714
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Post# 33372-10/5/2003-22:28 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Maytag Gyrator on Ebay
MESSAGE: The machine is in Desert Hot Springs, Ca which is
15 minute drive from Palm Springs. I saw machine
Friday. It is in immaculate condition. I plan on
buying it. I hope link to Ebay listing works.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2350422364&category=20714
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Post# 33373-10/5/2003-22:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Neptunes (sorry about the off topic) has a max extract spin. I don't know what other manuf. says extract, maybe GE?
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Post# 33374-10/5/2003-22:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck=Junk!)
MESSAGE: Totally true, the Oreck is not made as a full size vacuum and should NOT be priced as such.
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Post# 33375-10/5/2003-22:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (Kirby vs Hoover.)
MESSAGE: But it seems it would be better to NOT have the dirt go through the belt and the fan, Hoover overcame both shortcommings with the dial (my sister has my grandma's one and it still works and LOOKS like new.) The dials cleaned great, without having the dirt through the fan and belt. However, almost nothing can damage on old (any) kirby, hoover or electrolux, something very important to me.
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Post# 33376-10/5/2003-22:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: Any cloth bag only vacuum had to be dumped after each use, the sad truth was that hardly anyone did it, just like the lint filter on dryers. In all Hoover manuals it says to dump the bag after each use to maintain airflow and prevent damage to the motor from overheating (although I don't know how anyone could damage an old Hoover motor.)
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Post# 33377-10/5/2003-22:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: Our spirit with the quadraflex power nozzle has brush stiffeners. I just put new brush strips in and the plastic stiffeners already have a couple knicks, HOWEVER, since the plastic bars never contact the carpet, I have not had a problem with the knicked bars damaging carpets.
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Post# 33378-10/5/2003-22:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: I would like to see electrolux put a metal brushroll in with beater bars, it will never happen (NO electrolux has ever had a metal brushroll.) and besides, Electrolux's future is looking grim at best...
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Post# 33379-10/5/2003-23:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: Any tradional fan first vac motor system were bypass type motors.The suction fan did not generate the airstream to cool the vac motor.The vac motor had a seperate fan to cool it.this also kept the motor out of the dirty airstream. Even if you blocked the airstream of the suction fan the motors internal fan would cool it preventing it from overheating.
I can't imagine people not cleaning their dryer filters after each load--If the lint builds up could mean an unwanted vist from the fire dept!!Yes,many of the kirby dump bag machines I got for my collection were never dumpted (the owners manual states they should be emptied after use)I sucked the debris out with my NSS Model M1 that has the large 1.5 bushel paper bag.I have a salesmans manual for a fantom cleaner-they state the container should be dumpted after each use.
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Post# 33380-10/5/2003-23:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: sadly Aerus-Lux is being taken over by Eurika-
the kiss of death!! I have been finding out that Aerus-Lux is not doing very well. It is rumered the distubritor in my area may close. I really liked those older metal body Electrolux machines!!!I have many specimens.
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Post# 33381-10/6/2003-00:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: This system you describe in the Hoover Quadraflex sounds similar to what is in the Royal Classic upright-It has no beater bars but has the plastic stiffener bars for the brush strips. I was commenting on actual Plastic beater bars. the Royal stiffeners are made of a plastic that doesn't crack easily.the plastic bars DID contact the carpet in the machine I had that damaged the carpet.Was a machine that I used in a radio station-Threw it out and got the Royal. the Royal was better. The old vac was a Mastercraft made by Premeir vacuum has long gone out of business.
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Post# 33382-10/6/2003-00:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck=Junk!)
MESSAGE: The Oreck machine that has the $699 (retail price as charged by the dealer)is for the black 2 speed top of the line model. The canister vac that comes with it is black in color and has wheels so you do not have to carry it. Both canisters-standard and the black deluxe had sling attachments so you could carry it like a "hip" vacuum. the standard XL2 model lists for $399 and it and the canister are white in color.The canister does not have rollers.You carry it by hand or use the sling.Oreck also makes a "commercial" upright that is red in color and has a three wire grounded cord so it meets OSHA and ANSI safety standards. No canister vac comes with this model.I think it retailed for $250.
In physical size-the Oreck upright motor is no bigger than a power nozzle motor-One vac tech and I wanted to try the Oreck upringt head as a power nozzle !!The Oreck also has a tiny fan and fan chamber. I will say this the XL2 sereies has better airflow than their older models. the older ones the bag barely inflated.
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Post# 33383-10/6/2003-00:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck)
MESSAGE: I would like to know where you could get the "bowling ball" pickup attachment!!You are right I think any canister or "hose and bag" vac will pick up the bowling ball with that attachment. Yes-the Hoovers and Eurekas have bigger fans and motors than the Oreck. Also a more direct airflow into the bag. Remember the Oreck has to blow the dirt up the handle tube into the bag.Also that gets clogged often-is easy to remove to unclog. Don't have that problem with the Hoovers,Eurekas,kirbys,or Royal. One one of Kirby's website(for the G6) they comment the kirby picked up a Volkswagen car-Would like to see THAT attachment!!Oh yes because the tiny Oreck upright motor runs so fast(new ones 20,000+ RPM)the motors have to be replaced often.If you hit something hard with the fan-the fan and plastic fan housing have to be replaced.
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Post# 33384-10/6/2003-00:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: I have a few Compact-Tri-Star vacs in my collection-that old metal body could take a beating-and was easily fixed.The airflow of these machines is excellent. I don't like the "lux" design as much as the original. The company was taken over by electrolux and redisigned. the exhaust filter on the lux design just isn't as good , the "pignose" filter of the orig design. the older hose and powernozzle had better airflow. the newest model has a body that is made from magnesuim-so its several pounds lighter,and is silver grey in color. The older lux design is black in color.The body is aluminum. Also you can get paper liner bags from several venders-I beleive its DVC that makes a twin layer paper bag for these machines-filtration is better than the single layer bags. Your cloth bag stays cleaner.
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Post# 33385-10/6/2003-01:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: WOW That electrolux model thirty you had was a collec tors peice-Electrolux built this sereies up to the early fiftysThe post war models were blue in color and had round sled runners.The prewar 30's had a black or grey body and flat runners.The 30 was replaced by the LX sereies.That had a blue or green body with the round sled runners. It used paper bags(I beleive the first machine to use them) and you can still get the bags today. also the LX had a "Self empty" system. Its rare to find one where this device still works. When the machine sensed the bag was full-it would shut off the motor,open the bag door and eject the full bag with t powerful spring. I have an LX-the bag eject mechanism is badly corroded,but the machine works fine otherwise.These macvhines had a single fan motor. the motor was VERY durable.
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Post# 33386-10/6/2003-13:25 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better!
MESSAGE: I have been following this discussion of Kirby / Hoover vacuums with great interest. My collection of antique and vintage vacuums has 5 Hoovers from the Pre-WWII period along with a recently aguired model 29 from 1950.
Three years ago I bought a new Airway canister which I like very much. But, what do I use for my daily driver on the both my oriental carpets and wall to wall...A Hoover 4119 convertible from the 1970's. Nothing makes these floor coverings look better. The metal beater bar does a super job. And, yes, I have owned Kirby's. I believe that they are highly overpriced heavy machines. I'm curious to see what the new revised Kirby looks like.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Bob
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Post# 33387-10/6/2003-13:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Bendix used "Extract" on their rubber tub washers, they didn't spin but used a vacuum pump to squeeze the water from the clothes.
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Post# 33388-10/6/2003-13:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Overflow Rinse"
MESSAGE: Here in the U.S. as well, Speed Queen was the last and gone by 1980'ish. Didn't Speed Queen put their perforated tub version into commercial service before the domestic market? Thought I heard that somewhere before, I know the 'newer' style dryers (front pan filter) came about before the basket changed as well.
Frigidaire still had an overflow rinse in the solid-tub Skinny-Mini until their demise in 79-80.
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Post# 33389-10/6/2003-13:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Norge/Wards used Extract between the wash and rinse, and Spin at the end... or visa versa...
-ph
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Post# 33390-10/6/2003-16:06 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Peter, you're absolutely right. I knew I had seen that on a timer and suddenly I remembered!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Montgomery+Ward&.dnm=Time-+Temp-+Speed.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 33391-10/6/2003-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Oh yeah - and I have one!
I have too many....
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Montgomery+Ward&.dnm=Time-+Temp-+Speed.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 33392-10/6/2003-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: I should refresh my browser now and then...;-)
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Post# 33393-10/6/2003-16:12 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: high and dry
MESSAGE: I didnt get my replacement washer guys, the shop didnt open today. I have made numerous calls to their answer machine, on cell phone and landline phones. No one has been in touch with me, I fear they are going out of buissiness. I am left high and dry with a machine I can no longer use, its kaput. So now what :-(
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Post# 33394-10/6/2003-21:21 ||| minijim (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: high and dry
MESSAGE: You said that he was ill - I hope he didn't die! Today was Yom Kippur and lots places were closed here. I'm sure between all of us we can find you a place to wash your clothes. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Post# 33395-10/6/2003-21:53 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (About Kirby... And why Hoover is better (NOT))
MESSAGE: I, too, have been following the posts on Kirby/Hoover. In my many years of running restaurants and just being a good consumer with a passing interest, i have used/owned more vacs than i care to think about. Currently I have a Kirby G4, my grandmothers Hoover (Model 60) and a Miele Red Star canister (LOVE IT) but what do I use the most. A mid 80's Eureka self propelled that I pulled out of the neighbors trash with the intent of selling it in a garage sale. It works incredibly well, and weighs alot less than the Kirby. I bought the Kirby on Ebay, and while I am impressed with it, it has way to many drawbacks. I managed the appliace section at Macys for awhile, and any Hoover made in the past 12 years is nothing but future landfill. They just dont make em like they used to
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Post# 33396-10/6/2003-23:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: I think Kirbys and Hoovers had seperate small cooling fans, but a lot of vac motors do/did not have them (espesially canister motors.) You would be amazed how many people do not clean the lint filter. I love things working their best so I ALWAYS clean the lint filter, but SO many people do not. In most cases not cleaning the lint filter won't cause a fire, not cleaning makes a fire more of a possibility, but still fairly unlikely. What does happen is the dryer dies a slow death, the motor life is shortened signifigantly, the element life is also shortened, cycle times are ridiculously long (1 1/2 hours - 3hours!!!) and the clothes get absolutely baked, then something has to give, usually the thermal fuse lets go and nothing spectacular happens, but a fire could definietly start, the least that could happen is the dryer wouldn't last long under such bad conditions. I have to give our two last dryers a hand, a avocado GE and a Maytag DC, both had to dry clothes for years with an overlong vent (over 40 feet with 4 or more 90 degree turns) plus it was jammed full of lint. Neither dryer has had a cent spent on it for repairs, not even a burnt thermal fuse. The GE went through about 4-5 years of it, the Maytag went through about 10 years of it! With the vent fixed/cleaned/shortened things are workin' good:-) I think the dryer least suseptable to having a clogged lint filter are whirlpool "lint filter on top" models. The filter is HUGE and takes awhile to get clogged up, the dryers with the smallest filters I have seen are GEs and Maytag halos.
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Post# 33397-10/6/2003-23:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: It is too bad, who here likes airway vacuums though? That is one maker that has stuck it out and STILL has a great vacuum...
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Post# 33398-10/6/2003-23:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: I see, I like the quadraflex the most, I still wish it was shaped like electrolux's brushroll, with a tooth belt off to one side and with the brushes sweeping IN to the center instead of off to one side.
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Post# 33399-10/6/2003-23:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck)
MESSAGE: I also saw a Haden central vac pick up a car, simple use of physics and neat tools, but it would look so awesome! The fan design sounds stupid.
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Post# 33400-10/6/2003-23:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: I would LOVE to see one of those full-bag ejectors at work, on later lux models the sensitivity could be adjusted. Just like with other appliances back then, every manufacturer wanted their appliance to be special in some way, now there all the same (almost), blah. People have said the model G is the quietest vacuum they ever used, I would love to hear (or not hear one) run, it would be neat to compare it to our spirit with the dry bearings lol.
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Post# 33401-10/6/2003-23:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: That sounds like such a neat design, did it work pretty good at getting the water out?
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Post# 33402-10/6/2003-23:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Cool, it allows a slow wash and fast spin, I love it!
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Post# 33403-10/6/2003-23:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (vacuum bag availability)
MESSAGE: I know I can get Kirby bags from a Kirby Distributor, vacuum cleaner store, or mail order from Kirby, but teh point is, to do that is extra time and trouble. Hoover, Eureka, and Royal dust bags seem to be available in a wide variety of locations, with a choice of prices and brands. Even then, the only kind of bags I can count on a store having in stock at all times are Hoover type A, C, & D, Eureka type F & G, Electrolux tank, and any other brands that happen to use those bags, All other bags MAY or MAY NOT be stocked by a particular store. This seems to be especially of the various canister models. Seems like ther are many more different types of canister bags then upright bags. This applies even to the large manufacturers like Hoover. I almost always have to go to a vacuum cleaner store to get Type N bags for my Hoover Porta Power canister, virtually never see them in stock at a regular store like Hoover's other models. And I have to order bags for my Bissell electric broom direct from them, not found in normal store stock.
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Post# 33404-10/7/2003-00:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: I learned first hand the hard way is that beater bars make a difference. My Electrolux tank has a Eureka power head on it. The brushes in the roller were wornout, so I went to my local vac store and bought a new roller. I noticed that the new roller didn't have any beater bars on it like the old one. I mentioned this to the clerk, who said "Oh, it doesn't really make any difference". After I got home and used it for the first time, I noticed that the power head would no longer pick up the powdered carpet freshener I normally use. It would take several passes, because the head would kick some of the freshener out the back of itself. It didn't do that with the old beater bar equipped roller, and since the roller was now used, I couldn't take it back for exchange. The rollers are $30, so I've been putting up with it.
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Post# 33405-10/7/2003-00:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Electrolux Model LX)
MESSAGE: You're right, Electrolux canisters still use the same paper bags from 1952. This Model LX sounds like the one my Grandmother used for as long as I remember, it finally died sometime in the 80's and she bought a new Diamond Jubilee model with power head. I remember being fascinated when the door would pop open and the bag got pushed out. I have a later model where only the door opens. It is a b**tch to get the adjustment just right so the mechanism trips when the bag filled correctly, not underfilled or overfilled.
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Post# 33406-10/7/2003-00:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (vacuum bag availability)
MESSAGE: Yes you have some points-the upright bags seem to be more standardized. Ex-Eureka F&G bags. These are used in other machines besides Eureka. they are used in Koblentz and Aftermarket bag for Kirby 500,and Sanitronic machines. I beleive these are made by HESCO. They are good for people who want to use disposable bags in older Kirby machines and don't want to use the dump bags. this would be good for a collector-he can preserve the original bag. The F&G bags are made by at least half dozen suppliers in various grades-single layer or multilayer "HEPA" types. Yes,it is impossible for a dealer to carry ALL disposable bags. I get my bags in as large a package I can. I bought myElectrolux bags in the 50,100 packs normally sold to commercial users.
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Post# 33407-10/7/2003-00:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (Slow wash, fast spin option)
MESSAGE: I immediately picked up on the slow wash/fast spin option, too, a rare thing.
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Post# 33408-10/7/2003-00:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Electrolux Model LX)
MESSAGE: I think this is quite an acheivement in 1952-There were NO electronic devices availabe at that time. Electgrolux did this with a system that was pneumatically and mechanically operated. It seems that Electrolux had the best bag sensor systems. NO ONE makes such a system today.. In my LX many of the parts are corroded beyond recognition. I bought the vac at a swap shop for $15. The climate around here is VERY humid.I would also bet most of these parts are no longer made or available.An LX with a working bag system is VERY rare.
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Post# 33409-10/7/2003-00:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (manufacturer bag cooperation)
MESSAGE: The large vacuum companies seem to be like automobile companies, in that they each make parts for competitor's products. I've seen Hoover brand belts and bags to fit Eureka, and Eureka brand to fit Hoover, just as you can buy a Ford Motorcraft oil filter to fit your General Motors car or an AC filter to fit your Chrysler Corp. car
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Post# 33410-10/7/2003-00:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: As I replied to another message-I think the LX system was pretty amazing for 1952-There was NO electronic sensors then and the system was pneumatically and mechanically operated. There is levers and springs and pneumatic devices in this mechanism that have to be seen to be beleived.Unfortunately the devices in mine are badly corroded and I don't think any parts are made or availble for it. I have a "G" as well some say it was the first Electrolux vac to use a power nozzle. Mine was given to me by a vac dealer-just the machine only -with no hose or tools. There is a power jack on the front to plug the power nozzle into. The machine runs well. I beleive it has the same or similar mother the LX has. Yes the G should be quiter than your spirit with the bad bearings.Again LX's with working bag systems are VERY rare.
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Post# 33411-10/7/2003-00:51 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: high and dry (yes I know )
MESSAGE: The shop never closes on Monday my friend, I had already arranged to be here for the delivery. So today I battle on to find out whats going on, regards to one and all hbmuk
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Post# 33412-10/7/2003-00:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: You may want to be careful about using carpet-rug fresheners-A vac tech mentioned to me they are corrosive to aluminum vacuum parts.-Esp in humid climates. Also the fine powder would clog bags and filters quickly.I wouldn't use these frequently.
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Post# 33413-10/7/2003-01:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck)
MESSAGE: The fan system sure is-Just think in older Orecks They used a metal fan but a plastic fan housing. Both the fan and housing were well stocked by Oreck repair technicians. the new fan is plastic. I would have been interesting to see the Hayden pick up the car!!!
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Post# 33414-10/7/2003-01:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby ((with regrets))
MESSAGE: Oh ya I was being really sarcastic with my spirit remark, the thing roars. I liked the sound of the lux ambassador we have though. Also, I believe the first lux to have a power nozzle was the model F, there were VERY few model Fs with power nozzles though. The more popular luxs were the model 30, model G and the model 1205. The first electrolux tanks with power nozzles were fairly cumbersome, the cord went on the outside of the hose, you had to plug the cord in at both ends and on one model, the WHOLE PN cord had to be removed to use the hose (in other words, from the power nozzle housing to the cleaner body the cord was one piece!) I think that system was on the model Fs with PNs.
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Post# 33415-10/7/2003-01:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: They aren't very good for vacuums for sure, the sandy particles can get into the brushroller bearings and other places it shouldn't be, also it isn't good for the carpet if it isn't all removed (which is hard to do) the sharp sand-like particles act like blades and slice the carpet fibers. But used infrequently, carpet powers don't hurt much. As long as the powders aren't used EVERY vacuuming, they shouldn't be a problem.
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Post# 33416-10/7/2003-01:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Oreck)
MESSAGE: They ran the Hayden infomercial here a few years ago, I haven't seen it for at least a year. I should have recorded it:-) but I remember it perfectly, the attachment was a huge metal plate about as big as the roof of the car and they set the metal plate on the top of the car with the vacuum off, then they attached the hose and let 'er rip. The metal plate compressed onto the roof of the car and then they lifted the metal plate and the car stuck to it! All 4 wheels were off the ground and when they shut the vacuum off, the car fell back down. It was really neat.
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Post# 33417-10/7/2003-01:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: I have 2 Air way vacs-the Centurion and the TG Signature model(the purple body) These machines have the BEST disposable bags-Too bad airway doesn't license other vac makers to use their bag material!!Its a GREAT canister vac. Too bad the builder isn't more well known. It is said that they make machines for other venders(Ex the Vita-mix Vita-Vac)I am looking for other Air way machines for my collection-esp the "fireplug" canisters and the Upright. Some folks complain the airway is too outdated for them-I think its beatiful!! and it WORKS.
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Post# 33418-10/7/2003-01:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: I have seen several dryer fires-- severasl in the apartment building I lived in-people there didn't clean the dryer filters. I did. There was also one in the dorm I lived in when I went to college. My father has investigated some dryer fires-clogged filters or exhaust lines. The Hi temp thermostat doesn't always trip. When the filter not cleaned the dryer is like a vacuum with a clogged bag or filter-the air won't move so it cannot move dirt or dry your clothes!!
The only canister vacs I can think ofhand that have seperate motor cooling fans(true bypass) are Rainbows,watermatics and Fairfax vacuum motors.The NSS vacs have the seperate motor fan-esp their wet-dry vacs.Oh-by the way I vacuum out the dryers filter(Hotpoint)Is on the front.
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Post# 33419-10/7/2003-01:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: Too outdated? Blah, well if they want a shiney plastic vacuum, all the power to 'em. So they don't like an airway because it is outdated, then they don't like a current vacuum because they are built so s***ty. Weird. I like airways too. I haven't used one but I know the bags are the best (their 28 layer bag must be amazing.) Airway has spent $0 on advertising. I have never seen an airway ad EVER. Then again, I have never, ever seen a rainbow or kirby ad. But kirbys are known without ads. Rainbows are sold door-door so people know about them as they are being sold. With airways, they are not sold door-door, they are not advertised, people know about them through word of mouth and that's it. It's too bad when people are spending $2000 dollars on a rainbow or other door-door vac when they could have a great airway for $600. Airways bag material is the same as many other vac maker's (unironed cellulose.) they just have 28 layers of it! As opposed to 1 or 2. Plus unironed cellulose allows more airflow through and clogs less quickly. As opposed to hoover, kirby etc bags with stiff, ironed cellulose 1 or 2 ply, they clog quicker. Has anyone ripped apart an electrolux bag? It has 1 layer of ironed cellulose and 3 layers of unironed. But 28 layers is something else!
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Post# 33420-10/7/2003-01:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: Oh ya, dryer fires are quite common when combined with a vent in sad shape and a dryer in sad shape. Older dryers (sorry to say it) usually only had an operating t-stat and a hi limit t-stat. Today's dryers have both of those and a heater thermal fuse and a motor-run thermal fuse as well as motor overheat protection (older dryer motors had those too I think though...) At least with a dryer with both a hi limit and a thermal fuse, the thermal fuse melts if the hi limit fails. One thing I noticed though, when our dryer was run with the clogged vent, a lot of ash and lint built up in the element housing, if the rear vent slipped off the back of the dryer while we were out of the house, the dryer would get a rush of strong airflow and all the lint and ash would have been pulled through the element, starting a fire. Scary to think about.
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Post# 33421-10/7/2003-01:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: Most vac makers today have gone to the cogged belts. They last longer and do not slip. The Kirbys belt has a Treaded side that goes against the motor shaft the the roller brush.These last a long time also-Mine are over a year old and work just fine.the Royal powercast has the cogged belt. It is in the center of thebrushroll-but enclosed. the powercast has a seperate brushroll motor.You can turn on or off with a switch at the top of the handle. Eventuentally the cogged belt teeth will wear out-aand the belt would need to be replaced-by then both the belt and roller brush are worn out.
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Post# 33422-10/7/2003-02:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: However Hoover and eureka do not have cogged belts, nor does rainbow. The regular flat, stretch belts are so much cheaper to make, again something vac makers are striving for. With cogged belts, they don't stretch and must be reinforced with something, whereas regular flat belts are just rubber. There are more vacuums with cogged belts today, but there should be more, especially on expensive vacuums.
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Post# 33423-10/7/2003-03:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Or was it age and NutraSweet? ;-)
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Post# 33424-10/7/2003-06:27 ||| CHRISTFR (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: ODD REQUEST
MESSAGE: question to anyone who may know has anyone be approached from a buyer in another country? i just think its rather odd and it makes me just a bit leary of the whole thing
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Post# 33425-10/7/2003-07:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: It was a terrific idea and allowed Bendix make a ton of sales to apartment dwellers and economy washer shoppers because it didn't spin so there was no vibration, it could be easily made portable and connected to a sink. The vacuum pump pulled the air and water from the tub causing the tub to collapse and squeeze around the clothes. Bendix offered a lifetime warranty on the rubber tub which might have contributed to their downfall in the late 50's as one forgotten screw, nail or bobby pin and the tub was punctured in extract mode rendering the machine useless. They replaced a lot of tubs...
Here's a picture of the end of the extract cycle, there are a few others of the machine in the album too.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Bendix&.dnm=Cycle+Complete!.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp%3f.dir=/Bendix%26.dnm=Good%2bTurnover.jpg%26.src=ph
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Post# 33426-10/7/2003-08:03 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: Found in Whirlpool land............
MESSAGE: Yesterday I found a mint condition Frigidaire 1-18 washer at my neighborhood dealer's back lot. As I was loading it in my car, the delivery guy said that it came from an elderly woman's house, and had been used only for towels and sheets by the housekeeper, since all the other laundry was sent out. In addition, the woman went to Florida from September to June, and the washer was in her kitchen!! Its a basic 2 speed model, in almond, from 1976 or 77, and includes the fabric softener dispenser.... a perfect replacement for my 1992 WCI/Frigidaire, when it dies...........
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Post# 33427-10/7/2003-11:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Found in Whirlpool land............ (nice!!)
MESSAGE: congrads Steve !! how have you been ?? -gregm
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Post# 33428-10/7/2003-11:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: ODD REQUEST (avoid)
MESSAGE: I would avoid/ignore it
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Post# 33429-10/7/2003-11:59 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay
MESSAGE: Here is my Poppy Red beauty for sale, Sob!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2351957106&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1
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Post# 33430-10/7/2003-14:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (vs "
DRY"
)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire machines used "Dry" as their final spin cycle. This goes back to their 1140rpm machines that really did dry the clothes better than the other automatic washers.
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Post# 33431-10/7/2003-15:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: ODD REQUEST (scam)
MESSAGE: Sounds like one of those "Nigerian bank draft" schemes.
Don't do it.
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Post# 33432-10/7/2003-15:23 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" ("
maytag"
)
MESSAGE: Maytag liked the "DAMP DRY" instead of spin. Oddly, the first spin occured over the "WASH" section of the cycle dial.
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Post# 33433-10/7/2003-15:31 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: Replacement washer sorted
MESSAGE: Well it seems I was right about the shop where I got my washer from, they are closeing down after he gets the repairs done on the washers he has sold. Makes you wonder, I am getting a replacement machine but if it breaks down I foot the bill.
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Post# 33434-10/7/2003-15:53 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: ODD REQUEST (scam)
MESSAGE: I got one that was "sponsored" by an Austrailian who was conducting business for important clients in Africa. I just said goodday..I don't do offshore trading.
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Post# 33435-10/7/2003-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: The Koblentz upright doesen't either-it uses the same round belt that Eureka has. when I used the koblentz,I had to replace the round belt frequently,sometimes would break.You find the cogged belts most often in powernozzles. The Panasonic power nozzle used on the Airway has the cogged belts. This powernozzle was used on some Kenmore canisters,the Royal metal classic canister vacs.-and of course the Panasonic canister vacs.Its a good,effective and sturdy nozzle. Pretty easy to open up to work on. And cogged belts like used in vacs are found in other things!! The 35MM projectors in your theater may use them(good for things in the projector that need to be "timed" to each other-shutter to the film sprockets)some of the transmitters I use have them for tuning coil and capacitor drives. A Sunbeam electric lawnmower I had years ago used them to drive the blades from the motor. The belts in that little mower were really sturdy-didn't break even after hitting much lawn stuff. when yoiu get down to it regular round and flat belts are just large rubber bands. The cogged belts have rayon or nylon reinforecement fibers in them like rubber tires do.
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Post# 33436-10/7/2003-19:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: I nevwer like to run my dryer when I am not home-If the unthinkable happened-no one there to shut off the dryer!!!My father investigated fire causes for insurance companies.It is rare that the overtemp devices do not trip-but CAN happen.Its like in the transmitters that I work on-A 20KW FM transmitter
blower failed-the airsafety switch stuck closed and the power supplies in the tx continued to operate. The fan cools the final power tube and the blocker cap around the anode radiater of the tube.The tx was still on air-I had to shut it dwon and use a spare Tx. The tube got so hot the Teflon blocker cap dieletric MELTED!!the sail switch is sopposed to shut off the tx fil and HV supplies if the blower fails.dust can clog the switches. Sounds like you need to clean your dryers exhaust ducts,and element housing. I don't think you want a DRYER MELT DOWN!!
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Post# 33437-10/7/2003-19:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: Airway owns the onlly equipment that is used to make the "paper" for their bags. A REAL person at their factory sews the translucent plastic adaptor on the mouth of the bag.they mentioned this when I talked to them.(I ordered the Centurion from them)They used the same paper in their old uprights.Iorder the signature model from Tom Gasko.I think the Airways ARE AHEAD of the times.The screen around the bag equalizes the air pressure around the bag so airflow is constant as the bag fills.Vacuum advertising from any vac maker is rare. the DTD vac dealers rely on word-of mouth.sometimes you may find an ad for a Royal,Hoover,Eureka vac in a home magazine.I have some 1950s Better Homes and Gardens and you find ads for Cadillac,Lewt,Filter Queen vacs.Also for Hoovers.I would like to get one of those "Big Wheel" Lewyt canisters-those look so cool!!!
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Post# 33438-10/7/2003-20:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: At my house I don't use the rug fresheners at all. I think the people used them who lived in my house before. Their vacuum did not pick it up very well. When I moved in I picked up about 3 Royal upright bags full of the stuff. It smelled like stale feet!!-was mixed with sand. The soil around here is very sandy-almost like a beach.I did not have the Kirby at that time.when I got the Kirby I still picked up enough sand to practically make a beach. Its not as bad now.My house and carpets are about 30 years old.the realter was impressed with my clean-up job on the carpets.She thought they were new!!If I want vacuum type air fresheners I use the freshener in a rainbow. I can also used air fresheners supplied by Kirby-just put a drop or two on a peice of tissue paper and put it in the outer bag.I too would be concerned if the powder freshener got into roller brush or motor bearings.The powder does contain soduim bicarbonite and soduim carbonate-this could corrode metal.
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Post# 33439-10/7/2003-20:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: That is cool, the clothes look pretty dry too, the same as after a regular machine had spun, only the clothes are stuck to the agitator and not the basket:-) The rubber looks quite thick, although I can see how it could get puntured if that missed nail was at the right angle.
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Post# 33440-10/7/2003-20:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay
MESSAGE: Didn't GM sell Frigidaire to WCI and not Westinghouse? Because Westinghouse was sucked up by the WCI bums as well.
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Post# 33441-10/7/2003-20:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (vs )
MESSAGE: I think center timer maytags used "damp dry" for the final spin, I don't remember though, I will have to give the one at work another gander.
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Post# 33442-10/7/2003-20:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: I just remembered that, great minds think alike:-)
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Post# 33443-10/7/2003-20:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: Car timing belts are also cogged. Although they are huge and WIDE. Anything needing timing like you said has to use a chain, gears or a cogged belt obviously. That's the reason I don't like flat belts in anything, they decline in performance as soon as they are installed, since cogged belts cannot slip, they work 100% all the time.
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Post# 33444-10/7/2003-20:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Kirby (Interesting Points)
MESSAGE: Already done, I cleaned the vent and dryer a year ago or so, the dryer works MUCH better.
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Post# 33445-10/7/2003-20:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better! (beater bars)
MESSAGE: The airway bag housing is very innovative. Working with the bag material, it creates a system that takes quite awhile to clog up.
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Post# 33446-10/7/2003-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (vs )
MESSAGE: This reminded me of a clothes "spinner" machine I saw and we used at a laundramat when I was a kid. The machine had a spin basket inside. You opened its lid-put in your clothes just from the washer. You closed its lid and put 2 quarters in it. It would start up and then it sounded like a jet engine revving up. the lid locked shut so you could not open it while it was running. After the cycle it stopped spinning andunlocked. You did not have to use the dryer long after the spinner. Are these still made?? And who would make them? the 1100 rpm final spin the the Frigidaire remin ded me of this device. I only saw one of these devices . It was in a laundramat in Florida.this was in the mid 1960s.
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Post# 33447-10/7/2003-20:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (vs )
MESSAGE: Oh ya, they are very much still around I have heard of ones with 3000 rpm spin speeds, the clothes are almost ready to be worn, maybe 5-10 minutes in the dryer to warm them up and your ready to go. I forget the brand name though, someone here will probably know. If not I will track it down.
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Post# 33448-10/7/2003-21:16 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (WCI=who cares industries)
MESSAGE: WCI seemed to engulf and devour indegenious and ingenious companies. Westinghouse was a great company that WCI bought. I can vaugely remember White-Westinghouse as a brand for a time after that takeover. My sister bought this old house and when I went in the basement, there was a Frigidaire washer and dryer, upon closer inspection, it was a lousy WCI Frigidaire with a vane agitator with a Frigidare GM control panel, except that the chrome was replaced with plastic dials. It was like seeing the Mercedes emblum bolted to the hood of a Ford Pinto, only worse. The merger mania in this country has stifled creativity of design competitiveness, and has left less choice for the consumer. Someday, we will all be owned by Wal-Mart anyway, because it makes finacial shopping sense to live in the condos they build above the 2 million stores they will have in the nation.
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Post# 33449-10/7/2003-22:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Kitchen Aid
MESSAGE: picked up a 1973 Kitchen Aid Superba today, the model # says KDS-57 the owners manual says KDS-17, one 4 way spray arm in bottom, took pics tonight, need to develop them, machine works great, like new, hardly used, butcher block top, harvest gold color. I am so out of room, have sold a dryer, washer, frig, to make room ........
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Post# 33450-10/7/2003-22:56 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: oh and ............
MESSAGE: picking up a very early seventies Maytag washer dryer set from the same guy I got the DW from, and last week picked up a 1972 Lady Kenmore all pushbutton washer......... all this stuff now being stored at a friends ...........
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Post# 33451-10/7/2003-23:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (vs )
MESSAGE: In between the meter readings I looked up laundry spinners on the web. I found two. the first one is a household model under the name SpinX.The unit will hold up to 8 pounds of clothes and spin them for 2 min at 3,300 RPM. they claim it will extract an additonal quart of water from them. You can look it up on www.spin-x.com.The second machine is a commercial one. Must of been the one I saw and used at that old laundramat. It is a Bock-They make three models. The first 2 will hold up to 35 pounds of clothes and spin them to 1800RPM. The 3rd one will hold up to 60pounds and spin to 1800 RPM. they claim an extra gallon of water can be extracted from the wash. for home usage the spinx claims you don't have to run your dryer more than 1/2 hour. the Bock machine allows more custmers to use the dryers during busy times in the store. It also saves them electricity. Both centrifuges use spinning only-no heating elements.The small Bocks use a 2 Hp motor,the large unit has a 3hp motor. They use fluid drive coupling from the motor to the basket. The basket lid locks when the unit is running and the basket is still turning. You can look it up by typing laundry centrifuge. I found several commercial laundry appliance suppliers selling the Bocks. The household one sells for $379,with $39. shipping charge. The home runs on 120V the commercialBocks run off 208-220V three or single phase.
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Post# 33452-10/8/2003-00:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Found in Whirlpool land............
MESSAGE: Steve, congratulations!! Sounds like it has many years of life in her for sure. Glad to see ya post periodically. Miss ya!!!
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Post# 33453-10/8/2003-00:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: About Kirby..... And why Hoover is ...Better!
MESSAGE: I called the Kirby Dist in my area and she said she wouldn't know until after she meets with the regional Kirby dist.in November.
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Post# 33454-10/8/2003-00:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Ooo, I love old maytags! I love old kenmores too though:-)
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Post# 33455-10/8/2003-00:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (vs )
MESSAGE: 3300 rpm! That is incredible. I knew it was at least 3000 and BTW it was the spinX that I was talking about, I forgot the name:-)
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Post# 33456-10/8/2003-01:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (Frigidaire/Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Yes, GM sold Frigidaire to WCI, not Westinghouse, but WCI chose to use the Westinghouse top loader design instead of continuing the Frigidaire design in Frigidaire branded machines.
Speaking of Westinghouse, was the electronics division (radios, TV's, phonographs) sold to someone else or just discontinued? And what happened to their small appliance division (toasters, coffeemakers, can openers, etc.), sold to another company like GE's small appliance division went to Black & Decker, or just discontinued?
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Post# 33457-10/8/2003-01:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (spinners)
MESSAGE: Yes, they are still made, but apparently not in the US.
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Post# 33458-10/8/2003-01:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (spinners)
MESSAGE: The Bock machine is made in Toledo Ohio By Bock Engineered Products.
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Post# 33459-10/8/2003-01:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Yes,I love those old Maytags and Kenmores too!
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Post# 33460-10/8/2003-01:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: I beleive it was 1972 our family got a new Maytag washer(I was going to college then)Just only a week after we got it home and installed-The Rapid City S.Dak flood of 1972 struck-Our house was hit hard and totally destroyed. The washer was found and recovered. The local Maytag dealer rebuilt it. It was used in my dads new house -after the flood-for almost 15 years before it gave up the ghost for good.Thats pretty impressive!!They bought a new Maytage-I think around 1990-before they were merged with Magic Chef. I told them to KEEP that washewr until it dies!!
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Post# 33461-10/8/2003-01:52 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: ANY 2 belt maytag washer is worth keeping, Maytag still makes them, but 70s and 80s models were the best since they had the counterbalance tranny (I call it that) When I get my own place years down the road, the washer and dryer I get will be none other than a pair of 70s, center timer maytags:-) I might have to squeeze in a belt drive kenmore also, plus I would put the console from our old belt drive onto it, it will be like growing up all over:-)
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Post# 33462-10/8/2003-05:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: Actually, Kurt, the Bendix collapsing tub did leave appreciably more water in the clothes than those washers that spun the clothes. I don't remember exactly how much by weight, but it was more. In fact if you go the "vintage consumer articles" section of the website, the CR articles from the mid 1950's may have some comments about this.
It was cool to see though.
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Post# 33463-10/8/2003-06:02 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (WCI=who cares industries)
MESSAGE: Kind of like retailing. Was a time when every major US city had department stores that reflected their own regional characteristics - even if they were part of a large organization. And all are gone now, replaced by Big May Company stores all with the same merchandise, physical layout and customer service. Goldwater's and Diamond's of Arizona, Sanger-Harris, Joske's and Titche-Goettinger of Texas, Bullock's, JW Robinson and I. Magnin of California, Bamberger's and Hahne & Co. of Newark, NJ, Abraham & Straus of Brooklyn, Joseph Horne of Pittsburgh, Shillito's and H&S Pogue of Cincinnati, Denver Dry Goods of Colorado, John Wanamaker of Philadelphia, Maas Brothers of Florida, Bonwit Teller and B.Altman of New York, G.Fox & Co of Connecticut and Jordan Marsh of Boston. And although Boston's Filene's and New York's Lord & Taylor still exist, they have beocme cookie cutter "May Company" department stores instead of destinations for classic and innovative fashions with exceptional service. There are many others, but you get the idea.......
Long Live Marshall Field's and Nordstrom's
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Post# 33464-10/8/2003-07:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (Bock and Wascomat)
MESSAGE: Coin-op Bock extractors starting sell price is $10K, which is why you see very, very few new ones being installed anymore. Wascomat also makes a coin-op one, but stopped selling them here in the USA about 5 years ago. There are other companies that make very large extractors to handle loads from 250+ washers and tunnel washers.
-ph
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Post# 33465-10/8/2003-07:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (WCI=who cares industries)
MESSAGE: WCI only engulfed and devoured those companies that were willing to sell their appliance divisions to them. GM, AMC and Westinghouse are just as guilty for giving up their brands as WCI was for discontinuing the designs.
-ph
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Post# 33466-10/8/2003-07:53 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid (KDS-57)
MESSAGE: Greg, the "57" means a portable/convertible version of the "17" series......SteveD
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Post# 33467-10/8/2003-08:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid (KDS-57)
MESSAGE: aahhhh, I see ......... thanks Steve !!
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Post# 33468-10/8/2003-10:30 ||| Keciakmg (Chicago, Illinois)
SUBJECT: Beware
MESSAGE: Beware of people from Africa claiming to have a client who wants to buy for much more than your asking. They'll ask you to send them/shipper money. Don't fall for their sob storys for needing the money right away. Some checks may be conterfeit, and if you deposit please wait until the check clears(at least 10 days)
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Post# 33469-10/8/2003-13:19 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (WCI=who cares industries)
MESSAGE: I agree with that point about companies only being bought if they're willing to sell. Why was it that suddenly all the biggies were willing to sell out? Was it because the era of individuality and pride in design was drawing to a close and it was becoming fashionable to manufacture and sell the same thing that could be found everywhere else? Would people appreciate the unique Frigidaire Jet Action design today, or would they laugh at it the same way most of them would hang stink faces at pink, turquoise, yellow or mint green if those colors were offered on appliances? I thought of that on the walk to work this morning even as respects the automobiles and SUVs that passed by; can't tell one make from another. And, the point about shopping and living at WalMart that was made was a good one as well. On my last trip to J.C. Penney's, it was evident that Penney's isn't much different than Wal-Mart, a far cry from the middle-class alma mater that is used to be. It could all the be for the same reason that production flaws slip by in "period" movies all the time: They probably figure that there aren't enough people around who would remember or who would care. As far as Frigidaire and Westinghouse, I wish they'd drop even the name and move on because neither one means what it used to mean, but that also leads right back to the original point that was made, and that is that the companies themselves didn't care any longer and that's why they sold out.
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Post# 33470-10/8/2003-16:16 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Laundromat shipping clamps or alternative?
MESSAGE: Is there a good alternative for what I am told were original "shipping clamps" used on Westinghouse Laundromats at moving time? Would appreciate knowing where clamps could be found or, if not, what could be used alternatively to keep the tub from bouncing during shipment. Thanks -- George.
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Post# 33471-10/8/2003-17:08 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: General Electric model number & date Question
MESSAGE: Would there be any easy way of dating a General Electric washer with the following model/serial number:
model # J050 C4 serial# 50132 139.
Anywhere to see a picture of the same?
Thanks--George
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Post# 33472-10/8/2003-17:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (Regional department stores)
MESSAGE: Yep, here in Los Angeles, May and Macys pretty much did away with all our separate stores, I. Magnin, Bullock's, The Broadway, Robinsons, Buffums, Ohrbachs. Supermarkets here have gone the same way, though they have kept the names at least.
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Post# 33473-10/8/2003-17:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (WCI=who cares industries)
MESSAGE: WCI got Philco from Ford, too. When did they discontinue making Philco appliances?
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Post# 33474-10/8/2003-19:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (Regional department stores)
MESSAGE: And I just read that Federated Department Stores will now attach the Macy's name to all of their stores except Bloomingdale's. So now you will see:
- "Burdine - Macy's" in Florida
- "Rich's - Macy's" in Atlanta
- "Goldsmith-Macy's" in Memphis
- "Lazarus - Macy's" in Ohio, Pennsylvania and wherever else.
- "The Bon - Macy's" in the Pacific Northwest
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Post# 33475-10/8/2003-19:30 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (WCI=who cares industries)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, Philco laundry left the scene around 1970. Refrigeration continued until somewhere around the mid to late 70's. Ranges, dishwashers and TV/Stereo I am not sure about.
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Post# 33476-10/8/2003-20:09 ||| Drjones (USA)
SUBJECT: Help wanted - info on Kelvinator MH-R
MESSAGE: Hi,
This is my first vintage appliance, and I don't have
any information on it at all except the sticker "Model MH-R"
on the back and all my internet searches have been utterly
fruitless.
Kelvinator is now Electrolux-Kelvinator and is based in
India, and all my attempts at contacting them for information
have been ignored to date. The fridge is working, but it's missing the "crisper" at the bottom, and the freeze compartment door at the top, so I would like to obtain these parts before I have the fridge re-enamelled and electrically/mechanically serviced.
Any information you could give would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you for your help
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Post# 33477-10/8/2003-20:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin" (Bock and Wascomat)
MESSAGE: I looked up the Bock website and they make other machines--They build centrifuges for industrial use. they build food service appliances-Ie peelers,washers,food dryers.I would have to bet the laundry market is a small percentage of their business.They are under Bockengineering.com. Very interesting site.On their website they show an additional laundry centrifuge-it can hold up to 100lbs of wash. They also supply laundry spinners to Large laundry contractors,hospitals,hotels and cruise ships.One of their new models has a solid state inverter driven motor-direct drive to the basket-thus eliminated the fluid clutch or drive.
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Post# 33478-10/8/2003-20:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: You would think this unique design could be reintroduced-the rubber basket could be reinforced with Kevelar-(bullet proof vest material) this should help prevent the tub from being punctured by forgotten sharp or hard objects we accidentally leave in the wash. It would be interesting to see this work-the clothes "press" cycle. Does the machine have a transparent lid?
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Post# 33479-10/8/2003-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Maybe you should hunt for such models now before they end up in washer heaven. They are most durable though-you may still have a chance in finding usable specimans.Do you have a storage area to keep them? Maybe a friends or relatives house.I have looked at "Maytags" new models-look like rebadged Magic Chefs.I suppose their Neptune and Atlantus modles are true Maytags.Its strange the Neptune model is so high prices for a cylinder front loader.(Trendy)Esp since the front load mechanisms are simpler.The examples I saw were at Lowes and Home Depot. Haven't looked at a dealer here in town. When I lived in Manassas,Va.there was a very good Maytage dealer there-He made up a small "maytag Museam" at his store.He even had a wringer machine that had a Maytag hit-miss gas motor. The engine had a long exhaust hose so you could use the machine in the kichen and run the motors hose outside.It was started by a foot pedal something like on a Harly motorcycle. The store owner says all his specimens still work.
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Post# 33480-10/8/2003-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Yes-I now remember the spinning tranny-Saw this when a tech at a laundramat had the cover off while the washer was spinning-WATCH your Hands and head if you want a close look!
My grandmother had an OLD Kenmore-had a black agitator with a black agitator cap. I think it was a Rota-Swirl. Old Whirlpools and Kenmores are my favorites. Wish I had her machine. Don't know the fate of it.
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Post# 33481-10/8/2003-21:25 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (Regional department stores)
MESSAGE: Here in Syracuse, Willis Carrier invented air conditioning and founded the Carrier Corporation, which was recently sold to United Technologies, who just announced that all the manufacuring of Carrier a/c will be done offshore, "for cost effective-speed to market advantages"(Layoffs of 1,200 people) What has happened to America's indegenous businesses? The "global marketplace" and merger mania is ruining America's pride of workmanship and invention. We as consumers are marketed to as cattle, to be herded to Wal-Mart to buy foriegn produced goods that are cheaper than anything domestically produced, because they are assembled in some sweatshop in Sri Lanka.
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Post# 33482-10/8/2003-23:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: "Extract" instead of "Spin"
MESSAGE: That's too bad, the best method won though. Too bad we still don't have a couple designs like that, they look so neat:-)
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Post# 33483-10/8/2003-23:58 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: We don't really have anywhere to put them and I am VERY sure I can find a belt drive, in Canada belt drives stopped being made in like 1993 or 1994, so I could find one very easily, there are still plenty around kicking at a tender age of 10. There are still plenty of Maytags too, 2 of my friends have 80s models, theres the 70s ones at work and a very old comercial model at my school. Plus, since there are still lots of 80s models, I could always swipe a console off a 70s model and put it on a good working 80s model with the boring 80s design console.
I will only make this short since this doesn't belong here, the Neptune design is maytags to the best of my knowledge. The atlantis and performa are both Norge based designs (same mediocre tranny and brake system, one belt etc) The LAT models are still the Maytag design with 2 belts, orbital trans, poly pump, metal basket etc. There have been quite a few problems with atlantis and performa transmissions compared to the maytag designed orbital. It seems to me the orbital would be much cheaper to make than a more complicated and fail prone transmission, but I guess it is cheaper for maytag to buy the POS from someone else over making it themselves.
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Post# 33484-10/9/2003-00:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire 1-18 on Ebay (Regional department stores)
MESSAGE: How are we supposed to buy these things when our well paying manufacturing jobs are going overseas??Some ecomnomists have to learn that the USA was built upon union scale pay manufacuruing jobs. We cannot thrive on low pay "service" sector jobs.If this keeps up--will there be a "sucking" sound as people in this county have to go overseas to seek high pay industrial jobs? Also there just isn't enough "computer" and hi-tech jobs to go around.
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Post# 33485-10/9/2003-00:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Oh ya, the tranny in the maytag would be cool to see as a blur during spin. Very rarely, a bolt on the counter balance weight would fall out and the weight would fly out hanging by one bolt and would start striking the tub supports, now THAT would be LOUD. I am torn between Maytag and Whirlpool/Kenmore belt drives as my favorite washers. I grew up watching and hearing a belt drive so I am kind of leaning to them:-) If you kept the agitator shaft seal good and kept rust out then belt drives would last forever. Both problems killed our BD. They hardy even need a new belt, ours went on one belt for 15 years.
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Post# 33486-10/9/2003-00:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: Dyson washer
MESSAGE: While checking the "vacuum forum" someone posted a message about a Dyson washer. He commented that it wasn't available yet inthe US. Its a Dyson CR01. Its a front load type machine. If you look up the site-he has a link that shows what the machine looks like and an article about it.thought this may be of interest.
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Post# 33487-10/9/2003-01:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Yes I have a Whirlpool Imperial 90 that is still going very strong. Traded a Kenmore Series 80 machine for it(kenmore was direct drive-plastic outer tank) The old bd Whirlpool blows the new Kenmore away!! I only had the ken machine 1 week when the outer tub was cracked by out-of balance spin. The outer tank was replaced under warranty. I also didn't like how the thing worked-DRAB!The Whirlpool has Character-metal chromed agitator cap,cool control panel lamp.It hase three spin and agitate speeds,variable water level.I am looking for others.If the Maytage counterweight bolt breaks-Your washer then mimics a hammermill or a bushhog.The blets in Whirlpools are cheap and you can replace them yourself easily. I have done this-belt was less than 5 bucks. The Direct drive coupler is more expensive.I have several used appliance stores here on the lookout..for those classic whilpools and kenmore washers.
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Post# 33488-10/9/2003-02:12 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Got any pics of your Imperial 90? I love those machines.
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Post# 33489-10/9/2003-02:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Exactly, again this is off topic a bit but goes with our discussion, DDs are my favorite CURRENT washer design, it blows other designs away (for example, it is 10 times better than frigidaire's and 100 times better than GE's.) but it is still a boring new washer design for us, not much fun compared to a belt drive with all the bells and whistles and cool sounds:-) I love the sounds of the start of spin, the click, scrape, clunk. I like the click sounds of the wigwag and I like the sound of when the pump is pulling air, it sounds so powerful. Indeed the pump impeller on a BD is really agressive. Of course you have the unique agitating sound, the transmission makes neat humming sounds as well, really cool washers IMO. For such a simple suspension, they almost never go out of balance. Ours went out of balance twice in 15 years that I remember. Once with 2 pillows in it that got shifted to one side, and once with a big sleeping bag or confortor in it. Another thing I like about any whirlpool design washer, they don't get damaged in most floods. The motor and all mechanical components are many inches high, as opposed to any other washer with the motor on the floor of the washer and the brake in the pulley hub on the bottom. I was asked a question about an older maytag that was in a flood, the brake was done for and the motor was damaged, I couldn't help but think "If they had a BD or DD whirlpool, the washer could have been started right back up..."
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Post# 33490-10/9/2003-07:09 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Spacemate POD
MESSAGE: Was 1956 the first year for the Westy Spacemate? I have a repair manual from 1956 that shows the model that I just got with water level control and separate wash/rinse temp selections, a model far more sophisticated than our POD machine.
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Post# 33491-10/9/2003-10:00 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Vintage Washer Parts
MESSAGE: I am sure that many of you have tried to get parts
for your machines. Here are two places that may
be able to help:
Vail Rubber Works, 521 Langley Ave.,St. Joseph, Mo.
49085, phone 269 983 1595 ext. 304 for Tom Hanley.
They can replace rubber coverings on wringer
rollers and maybe other rubber items
ALSO:
International Rubber and Supply Inc, 1400 Colton Ave.,
Colton, Ca., phone 888 884 1555.
I brought them door and lint filter from my 1947
Bendix front loader to replace the gaskets as the
60 year old rubber is dried out causing leaks when
I use the machine.
I hope these contacts will be of help.
Ross Roberts
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Post# 33492-10/9/2003-10:03 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT: Vintage Appliance Parts/Repairs
MESSAGE: I also wanted to mention Mid-West Timer Service in
Benton Harbor, Mi. They have rebuilt three timers
for me.
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Post# 33493-10/9/2003-18:15 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: What Happened to Westinghouse Appliances...
MESSAGE: What Happened to Westinghouse Electric Corporation
Westinghouse had unfortunatly bad management over it's lifespan, with little or no forward thinking or corporate direction or strategy. It was however, ran by a bunch of brilliant engineers, who could invent and make things better than what they were or reinvent the whole process of doing things in general.
Towards the end of the 70's however, Westinghouse was being ran by several new highballin style managers; who stripped The Westinghouse Electric Corporation of all it's proven divisions. I.e. The Appliance Divisions, and pushed Westinghouse into different fields like The Circle W network, which was a very early form of cable. And really pushed it's industrial energy divisions to be more of what Westinghouse stood for than for what appliances brought to the name.
Westinghouse began focusing on other new things like "real estate development" and used the very Westinghouse Financial institution, that originally was designed to help people buy washing machines to do LARGE financial transactions.
However,Westinghouse was never the same after the 1970'and 80's managers stripped it of what it was, and unsure of what it needed to be...Westinghouse Electric Coroporation just stammered on until the late 1990's when it was swallowed by General Electric/CBS. Kind of a sad death, for a company that at one point had 172 divisions.
But to help understand what happened to the appliance departments, you have to go way back.
Because of it's electrical inventions at the turn of the century, Westinghouse began to market their own electrical products, both industrial, and residential because their motors, and generators that powered some of the very earliest of appliances, and electrical plants anyway.
Westinghosue from about 1915-1974 so for about 60 years continually innovated, whether it though so or not. Even as late as 1970 Westinghouse still ranked in the third or fourth position in the industry for it's appliance divisions. We all know about Westinghouse's achievements during this period, so I wont reiterate them here.
By the 1970's though, The Maytag Corporation, and Whirlpool Corporation along with General Electric/Hotpoint and RCA Controlled so much of the major appliance market market; and Hoover and Eureka and GE even controlled so much of the small appliance market that other brands including:
Major Appliances:
Westinghouse,Kelvinator,Philco-Bendix, Frigidaire, Gibson, Hamilton and Easy that all lost their market shares and uniqueness.
Small appliance firms like: Westinghouse, Shetland-Lewyt, Regina, Knapp Moncrch ( a division of the Hoover company), and finally even GE, Sunbeam and Hamilton Beach had to give up in some forms because it's products couldn't be as competitive as the majors were. I.E. Hoover and Eureka at least in the vacuum cleaner markets.
It was a consolidation of these now unwanted and uncherished examples of american industrialism that became the core of WCI. White Sewing Machine Company, who was slowly buying all of the major appliance minors, that were noted made it's core.
It wasn't nescescarily the faults of the appliances, or the divisions that they made up. It was the faults of the original owners that caused all of these nameplates to drop into the WCI bucket.
Westinghouse Electric therefore and it's new managerial team, knew that it had to make a decision, because it was well known that it would have to invest millions of dollars to remain comptitive in the small and major appliance market. It's core products to them needed serious updating, some not changed much from the 1950's designs that we all here love.
It's plants/ manufacturing facilities were old and antiquated, and would need complete modernization to be as competitive as Maytag /Whirlpool /General Electric and Hotpoint.
However the managers wanted Westinghouse to put it's money elsewhere as noted.
So, sadly; Westinghouse sold off it's "Home Market Divisions" in stages starting in 1972 with the sale of it's small appliance division i.e. vacuums, fans, "their famous roasters",irons and the like was sold in 1972 to General Electric.
This was very strange because then later in 72' General Electric sold out their small appliance division in Bridgeport Conneticut to Black and Decker. Black and Decker began making all sorts of small appliances and did so almost without fail until the mid 1990's. B&D even made a canister vacuum around 1992-95 that recieved little or no fanfare.It reminded me of a poor mans Hoover Dimension 1000 with a Filter Queen style Powernozzle.
Westinghouse Electric, then sold it major appliance division intact to White Consolidated Industries in 1974 lock stock and barrel. All of Westinghouse's appliance plants, including the main factory in Mansfield Ohio were offered in the fire sale that Westinghouse Electric had. What they sold to White Consolidated was a really good firm, virtually intact that allowed White Consolidated to swallow the rest of the industry when they were offered by fire sale by their parental companies by 1980.
I don't think then, it's really fair for anyone to completely pooh pooh WCI. Had it NOT been for them, many people in the 1970's and 80's would have been out of work, and the industry could have collapsed. And it would have been foolish for WCI too keep all of these older and antiquated manufacturing facilities, that these earlier machines were made in.
I believe that if anyone needs to blame the industry for ruining it's beloved appliances and their differences that made them unique; they should place the blame squarely on the Corporations themsleves that puked out their appliance firms because they finally realized that they were NOT the money makers that they believed that they wouold be in the 1930's-40's and 50's.
And that yes in some markets you have to spend millios of dollars every few years to innovate and make differnet your products that you make, from the other guys stuff down the street.
Ford blamed squarely for the discontinuation of Philco-Bendix, American Motors with Kelvinator, General Motors with Frigidaire, Murray Corporation for dumping Easy Appliance Division Gibson and Hamilton didn't have parental companies, but were both virtually moribound by the time that White's Consolidated Industries bought them.
But on the other hand, the major industires that were dumping their appliances lines were struggling themselves in a very hustle and bustle 1970's market, that were causing thier own fortunes to collapse. American Motors was hurting,even the General was hurting some by the time it dumped Frigidaire in 1979. If they couldn't support their main schmendafare i.e. cars and trucks, why would they dump millions into the already overcrowded appliance market?
So therefore, White Consolidated DID change and drop some of the more sophisticated technologies that many of the makes had to offer, mostly because it knew that it had bought a bunch of manufacturers that for years either made overly complex and sophisticated machinery to begin with, or principles I.e. the Centric Kelvinator agitator for an example" that were just a little too complex and bizarre for continutation because of cost, or obviously they JUST diddn't jibe with the american consumer anyway.
This was obvious because if they were oh so popular , why did the makes cause their original owners so much financial difficulty to where they were sold off. Under the new corporate stable, anyway the names would carry on...even if they WERE all rebadged Westinghouse appliances. If anyone took a good hard look at anything that WCI made it was all mainly built of Westinghouse technology that was in place by 1974 anyway.
So that is why WCI was in such a position that in the mid 1990's Electrolux Group which is now not doing too well swallowed WCI, and why not...BY then all the names that were aforementioned were off the market anyway except for Westinghosue and Frigidaire.
Oh yeah and why I still have breath in my lungs, did anyone see the new Westinghouse vacuum cleaner line? Their built off old Fantom technology. Talk about dragging what little reputation was left thru the mud....
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Post# 33494-10/9/2003-18:37 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: ITS HERE
MESSAGE: My replacement washer is here, I have just done a test run on some heavy towels. Oh my what a big difference, the previous machine was a older 1983 Hotpoint T L. Now I have a 1989 Hotpoint T L, this one is smoother, quieter, and I dont get that loud clang when it goes to the hi spin speed cycle. Its more like a softer sounding ching clik, and the spin is virtually vibration free. It does not sound as if I have a tractor in my kitchen when its running, so I am very happy man. regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 33495-10/9/2003-19:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: What Happened to Westinghouse Appliances...
MESSAGE: Its too bad the engineers couldn,t have been left alone. The financial wizards really screwed up. I think for both Westinghouse and GE(present) they should have stuck with designing and building appliances,electrical,and electronics.They should stay out of the financial ,banking and credit industries.
During the 70's I can remember a large Westinghouse plant in Pensacola Fla that built and also rebuilt central electric gen station equipment. It closed down.Its insteresting-Westinghouse built their fine appliances-then the Generators to produce electricity to run them and power distribution equipment to get the power to the appliance! The dist division got sold or taken over by Seimens-Circuit breakers,Transforemrs. the Westinghouse lighting was taken over by Philips.The Westinghouse Brake division is independent and still going. The railroads and Trucking,buses still keep them going. they designed, built and implemented the brake systems for the French TVG trains-all three generations of them.They also built many GG-1 electric locomotives for the Pennsylvania RR.Westinghouse built the power supply transformers in the Contineltal 500Kw SW transmitters that I am using right now. The tx was built in 1948!!Chances are your favorite appliances are still running from power generated by a Westinghouse Generator at the power station!!Too bad Nilov Tesla was screwed by the Westinghouse folks-The induction motors in our washers and dryers wouldn't be here if it wasn't for him!
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Post# 33496-10/9/2003-19:42 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: 1955 GE Mobile Maid
MESSAGE: My being new to the group and having purchased the first vintage appliance last month. It is a round shaped 1949 GE dishwasher. I am most grateful for all of the knowledge and expertise I received from fellow comrades about this dishwasher. It really helped.
Now I have purchased what the seller says to be a "mint" condition, with orginal operating manual, only operated once or twice 1955 GE Mobile Maid and awaiting its delivery.
I can only hope that what the seller says is true about it being in working order. I would appreciate any guidance that fellow members can share with regard to early 50s Mobile Maids. Like where it is prone for leaks, operating tips and what parts to start shopping for in advance (timer motor, inlet valve, solenoid etc.). Thanks. Please contact me via my e-mail address?
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Post# 33497-10/9/2003-21:56 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: ques RE: DW gaskets
MESSAGE: I just pulled the motor/pump on my '62 Kitchen Aid dw with the cast iron spray arm ....... found out the motor is fine, replaced the relay and fill valve, and oiled the dryer fan motor. I still may need a new timer but will know soon. I repainted the cast iron spray arm, touched up the rust on the racks and a couple spots in the tub, the porcelain is fairly well worn off of the interior but not over the hill yet ........ SHOULD I USE THAT "FORM A GASKET" in a tube ?? I bought some already, the rubber gasket that was on the inside and the cork gasket that was on the outside underneath are no longer available ............ or should I buy a sheet of thin rubber and cut out my own gasket ???? I am afraid the tube stuff which supposedly stays pliable will not be thick enough .......... thanks ............. -gregm
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Post# 33498-10/9/2003-22:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: No,I feel and some service techs think the DD designs are the WORST for the industry. They and I feel the system is too prone to breakage.(the outer tub in mine) If the tub was metal instead of plastic-it would be fine. also much is said about the drive shaft coupler from the motor to the transmission is also a problem-Its DESIGNED to break in case of overload to protect the transmission.A good example-say you are washing a pair of sneakers in the machine-one gets wedged between one of the agitator blades and the tub-the drive shaft would break. A belt would slip for the short time the shoe is in that position. No harm to belt or transmission. The Sears tech that fixed my machine mentioned this. He said NOT to launder sneakers in the machine unless you want the drive shaft replaced. He charges $60 for the job. Takes about 15min to replace. When I traded my DD ken machine to the Imperial-the used washer shop I got mine from the owner of the store showed me his "graveyard" of DD ken and Whirlpools.Most had broken outer tanks.the Sears guy liked BD machines better too.Yes,you brought up the sounds- A Bd and many vintage machines are a Foley mans dream(sound effects)As far as floods-When my dads Maytag was rebuilt from the flood-the motor and all electrical parts were replaced.(1972) Today-insurance companies prohibit this-the machine would have to be scrapped. Yes in Whirlpool and Ken machines motor is several inches from the ground. However thisdoesn't matter if the whole machine is submerged.Esp for more the 24 hrs.Around NC and VA-you see many machines-Fridges,AC,washers dryers,el;ectronic equipment on the curb for pickup. The floodwater can damage motor,transformer insulation and cause it to breakdown and fail unexpectady causing a fire or shock hazard.The machine may still start or un-but could fail anytime. Insurance companies don't want that risk.
The floods came from the recent hurricane Isabel.The device may run for a day,week,month or year before failing.It is too bad many of these will go to the dreaded metal bailer.
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Post# 33499-10/9/2003-22:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What Happened to Westinghouse Appliances... (Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Actually, Westinghouse bought CBS and then changed the corporate name to CBS. GE had nothing to do with it, they bought NBC.
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Post# 33500-10/9/2003-22:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: ques DW gaskets (gaskets)
MESSAGE: Make your own, then coat them with the form a gasket before installing.
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Post# 33501-10/9/2003-23:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: no-I don't have a camera. The machine has a white cabinet,gold and brown colored control panel. It has the water level control,agitate and spin speeds selector,then the main timer dial.The agitator is a white super sugilator(wave shaped blades)Has a metal "clothes guard" and "magic clean" lint trap.The agitator shaft has the male threaded part that the agitator cap screws onto. Usually I have seen t he screw or bolt inside the agitator cap. the agitiator cap is chromed metal.the flourescent bulb is under front of the control panel-I need to replace it-the old one is burned out. Waiting for Lowes or Home Depot to get some in-24in T8 type bulb.
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Post# 33502-10/9/2003-23:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: Oh yes the water temp settings-several pushbuttons for Hot-cold,Hot-warm,Warm-cold,cold-cold.
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Post# 33503-10/10/2003-00:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............
MESSAGE: I will try to respond in the sandbox, I haven't been able to post since my email overflowed, if I can't post there I will email you...
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Post# 33504-10/10/2003-00:15 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Tip Toe Matic
MESSAGE: The hell is a Tip Toe Matic???
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Post# 33505-10/10/2003-00:17 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: ODD REQUEST
MESSAGE: It be a scam - scam be damn
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Post# 33506-10/10/2003-00:20 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid
MESSAGE: *Singing* Slow down, you move too fast!!
As I said in my email to you, this is really your year. Actually, forget the speed limit; grab all you can!
What washer did you sell?
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Post# 33507-10/10/2003-00:25 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchenaid KDS-18
MESSAGE: You put that thang on ebay and you would probably get tired of counting all the bids you get for it. Thought about how what price you might set for it?
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Post# 33508-10/10/2003-07:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid (sold the WP)
MESSAGE: I sold my '66 WP washer ........ I am taking my '63 Kenmore and my '75 Whirlpool to this guy up in Vermont this weekend to fix them. He does honest good work and he is cheap. Plus the foliage is getting near peak too, so it will be a pretty drive tomorrow. :)
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Post# 33509-10/10/2003-08:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE
MESSAGE: Hey Kevin,
Congratulations on the new washer, I bet you're quite relieved. I hope you'll get lots of laundry pleasure from it. Does this one look much different from the other one?
Louis
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Post# 33510-10/10/2003-08:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: Now that's a setting you don't see anymore.
Those were the days of water guzzling top loaders and 80 gallon water heaters.
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Post# 33511-10/10/2003-08:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (videos videos videos)
MESSAGE: Any plans for videos of this new awesome machine?
I like 'em.
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Post# 33512-10/10/2003-09:27 ||| abrock (louisiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchenaid KDS-18 (Pricing help)
MESSAGE: In all honesty, I don't have a clue what to ask for it. I have thought about E-bay, but again I wouldn't know where to set the starting bid.
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Post# 33513-10/10/2003-14:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: Hmm, surprising that warm-warm wasn't on the list.
Where in the world were you seeing 80 gallon water heaters? Granted, I'm limited to what I noticed most peope had in their houses growoing up in Los Angeles, but 8 times out of 10, people would have a 30 gallon (gas)water heater. If it was different, it would almost always be a SMALLER (20 gallon)rather than a bigger (40 gallon)one. Electric water heaters (those few people that had them) would always be a 52 gallon.
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Post# 33514-10/10/2003-14:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: ok. So sue me, I exxagerated.
An 80 gal water heater would be pretty huge at that. Yeah, 40 gallons is the norm. My mobile home has a smaller tank, I guess 20 because it runs out quick. If I take a bath and fill the tub, the hot water runs out before the tub gets full. So I probably have a 20.
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Post# 33515-10/10/2003-15:05 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better )
MESSAGE: This on looks the same but the facia is green and black instead of red and black, the agitator goes on for a bit longer and makes loads of suds its smoother, quieter, and does not sound like a tractor when its washing and spinning.The spin speed did virtually dry the towels very well indeed, I assume the previous machine was on the way out. It was an older 1983 T L This one is a 1989 T L Happy bear now
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Post# 33516-10/10/2003-15:10 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: Grew up in Whittier and we had a 20 gal gas water heater for years. It seemed we were always waiting for hot water. We also had a Philco Bendix Duomatic (1958) which replaced the boltdown Bendix from 1949. When my dad and uncle installed the combo and the neighbor women all came over and sat on the service porch floor and watched it go clear thru the wash and dry cycle. They couldn't believe it. Most were still using wringer washers. Dano
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Post# 33517-10/10/2003-15:47 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: No, you weren't exagerating. Our last water heater was a whopping 120 gallons and electric. That got replaced by a 60 gallon holding tank fed by our oil furnace.
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Post# 33518-10/10/2003-16:09 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters - What a great story Dano)
MESSAGE: That was such a cute story, and a great memory I am sure.
I can just see them sitting there on the floor watching in amazement.
Kinda like us when we watch our machines.
Thanks for the memories.
Can you remember when these machines were hauled off? I bet you were sad.
How long did the Duomatic last? Was it a Gas or Electric Duomatic?
Brent
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Post# 33519-10/10/2003-16:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better )
MESSAGE: That's really great. Happy washing!!! BTW, where do you live in England? I might bring a load of laundry when I'm traveling...
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Post# 33520-10/10/2003-17:35 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better )
MESSAGE: Correction not a 1989 T L even better its a 1993 T L. HBMUK
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Post# 33521-10/10/2003-17:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: We used to have an 80 gal. gas heater that got replaced with a 60 gal. gas heater which now has a deteriating dip tube so the hot water doesn't last long enough to fill a tub either.
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Post# 33522-10/10/2003-19:09 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: I think there may be a trend towards larger water heaters these days. My place was built in 1999 and it has a 75 gallon gas water heater. Admittedly, it might be a little big but it sure is nice to be able to wash clothes, wash dishes and shower at the same time. With the extra insulation found on modern heaters, it doesn't seem like it's much of an energy hog either.
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Post# 33523-10/10/2003-20:51 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better - Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: Hello there,
Does this one have all of the features that your other machine had? Such as the heater that heats the water, and that fantastic spin? How fast is the spin of your new machine? Can you still go out and buy a new Hotpoint with a heater and a fast spin in a top loader?
I can't figure out why a machine that cool would not be offered here in that top loading design.
Anyone know why?
The Hotpoint stuff that you can find here is just the new crappy GE design.
Invite your buddy back over and get some new videos of this one. At least you have it on video record of the first machine while it was still working.
Brent
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Post# 33524-10/10/2003-21:12 ||| windycitybear (Chicago)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: Jason they do make 100 gal residential water heaters. I have seen 75 gal units at Sears all the time. If you have the space replace your heater with a 40 gallon unit. Or you can even "Gang" two 20s side by side.
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Post# 33525-10/10/2003-21:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better - Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: That's what I was thinking, his Hotpoint was/is way better than the GE crap. Who makes his Hotpoint? Or does Hotpoint themselves make them (meaning is the design Hotpoint's?)
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Post# 33526-10/10/2003-22:47 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Help wanted - info on Kelvinator MH-R (Kelvinator MH-R Crisper)
MESSAGE: You may actually find the Kelvinator crisper on Ebay. Not too long ago they had a vintage Kelvinator refrigerator (if I'm not mistaken, early 1940's) that was working and a good deal. Would have thought about bidding on it but it was too early for my home; I was looking for something around the 1953 time period. Anyway, you'd be well advised to forget about trying to contact any company that has the same name as the old manufacturer because my experiences with those attempts have been that they were nothing more than a waste of time. Contacting today's "Frigidaire" is the same as asking the next person you meet on the street information about a vintage Frigidaire Jet Action washer, in other words, just stand and wait for the blank look. Westinghouse is the same; it's just a name now and they couldn't care less. Ditto for Maytag that used to have an historical liaison and now they couldn't care less about their vintage products any more than any other manufacturer. Most of the companies with the same names are now "names only" and have no connection with the original, except for Maytag and even they are a "far cry" from what they were. Two or three more suggestions would be: Try contacting Mike Arnold at www.monitortop.com and also contact Joe Sprague at joesprague@columbus.rr.com. Mike Arnold at Monitortop sold me a Whirlpool laundry pair and a vintage Kitchenaid built-in dishwasher, and he might know of someone who would have the Kelvinator parts. Joe Sprague is most likely to have parts and info on stoves, but it's worth a try. Another source for vintage appliance parts is Affordable Appliance in Pennsylvania [e-mail: Sales@AffordableAppliance.com]. I was given their name by a retired Maytag repairman because of a broken glass panel on the light-up console of a vintage Maytag dryer, and Affordable put me on the waiting list because they often get the used glass pieces in stock. All three of these businesses just might have either the original Kelvinator part of maybe something that may be interchangeable if you give them the size measurements. The only other suggestion is that you poke around in local second-hand appliance dealers in your area, especially those with those terrific "Salvage Yards" out back. Sometimes you may find what you need there. Last but not least, watch the Classic Appliance WANTED & FOR SALE page. You never know what will show up for sale next. Good luck and never give up the search! George Hewett (Fresno, CA) (ghewett@daklaw.com)
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Post# 33527-10/10/2003-23:08 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters - What a great story Dano)
MESSAGE: The old Bendix sat in our garage for about a year and then my uncle Doug who was a Bendix Sales guy in Glendale, CA came and got it. I used to go out and throw rags in it and plug it in and turn it on so it would tumble until I got caught and I think that is why my dad wanted it out because it didn't stop action when you would open the door and of course that was my favorite thing was to open the door and watch the rags tumble. He took the plug off the end so I could no longer plug it in. The Combo was gas fired and it lasted until about 1969 or 70 and then my mom bought a smaller Philco Bendix Duomatic at Firestone Stores and it lasted about 2 years. It never was as good as the original machines. It always had a water leak thru the venting system and they could never get it fixed. Most of my aunts on my moms side of the family all had Bendix Duomatics because my uncle sold, installed, serviced and educated housewives about them. I loved to go with him on calls because I was so facinated with those machines. The strangest thing was my aunt married to the Bendix man didn't get her first Duomatic until 1958 the same time my mom got hers. She used a Maytag square wringer until then. Actually my mom and aunt were twins and we lived in houses with the same floor plan around the block from one another. I remember my dad and uncle installing the machine. My dad under the house sawing off bolts that held down the original Bendix washer and then cutting a hole in the floor for the vent and running it out to the outside of the house. Running the gas line from the hot water heater to the machine.Taking out the stationary tub that was in the service porch and then bringing in the brand new Duomatic. Boy did it look sharp up against the pink walls with the lights on. Can you believe we had a pink kitchen with hotpoint fridge and dishwasher and a big Gaffler and Sattler gas stove. Those were the days. At that time we still didn't have color TV. My parents didn't get one until 1970. Hummm, maybe my bother and I should have pushed for a color tv sooner instead of the aluminum Christmas Tree. Have a great weekend! Dano
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Post# 33528-10/11/2003-00:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: Yep, electric water heaters have slow recovery, so I'm not surprised that it was 120 gallons, especialy for a large house. But what happens in the summer when the oil furnace is off?
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Post# 33529-10/11/2003-00:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heater dip tube)
MESSAGE: Well, those dip tubes are replaceable, just call up the manufacturer and order teh part.
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Post# 33530-10/11/2003-00:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heater dip tube)
MESSAGE: I know, I could probably get a piece of copper pipe and fix it myself, but it hasn't gotten bad enough yet, we still get hot water in the dishwasher and washer and we can still have showers:-) Plus the pipes to the water heater are soldered so I can't do it without solder and a soldering gun.
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Post# 33531-10/11/2003-01:01 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better - Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: Yes it is made by Hotpoint not by anyone else, its the same style as the one in the vids but the facia is green and black as opposed to red and black. The green and black facia is the newer one, year 1993 so its only ten years old. But the facia with the red and black facia is 20 years old, the newer one that I have is smoother and quieter and spins the clothes virtually dry. The vibration is very minimal, the hi spin is still 1050 revs, later guys
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Post# 33532-10/11/2003-01:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better - Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: Sounds cool, that is FAST for a top loader, whew...
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Post# 33533-10/11/2003-02:49 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: Our oil furnace is never off. the system is fed by two separate pumps. One for the house, and one for the hot water tank. So in the summer, it only uses the hot water pump for our hot water. In the winter, they work independently and if it happens to be heating both the house and the water at the same time, the two pumps split the hot water equally, so the furnace runs year round weather it be for hot water, heat, or both. In or house ( not that you would want to) but you could leave the hot water tap on alll day and never run out of hot water. It is virtually impossible for our house to run out of hot water.
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Post# 33534-10/11/2003-03:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better - Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: We are talking British Hotpoint here, not American Hotpoint.
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Post# 33535-10/11/2003-04:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heater dip tube)
MESSAGE: Plumbers generally stopped "hard plumbing" water heaters around here nowadays, they use a flex connection both on the gas line and on the water lines, so everything just unscrews and no soldering is necessary. L.A. used to be very strict, and things had to be hard plumbed or wired. Things like garbage disposals and dishwashers had to be hard wired. Now they just put outlets under the sink and behind the dishwaser, put a regular cord on them, and plug them in like anything else. Since the Teens, house wiring had to be inside rigid conduit, BX flex house, or armored cable. No Romex electrical allowed until the 70's. The good thing about that is that even very old houses could be converted to grounded systems simply by changing out old 2 prong outlets to 3 prong outlets. Old houses built outside Los Angeles often had 2 wire knob-and-tube or two wire Romex wiring installed as late as the 50's that was virtually impossible turn into a grounded system without a complete re-wiring job, or running a separate ground wire to each outlet.
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Post# 33536-10/11/2003-08:45 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Hi all.
Today's POD - the Healing-Thor Trimatic.
My uncle used to repair washing machines for a living. Actually he first worked as a repairman for Wilkins Servis, this would have been in the late sixties or early seventies. He quit because he got annoyed that they had quotas on how many of certain jobs he had to sell, even if the work wasn't necessary. Eg: if a callout was for what turned out to be a simple adjustment, he was under pressure to replace the motor or bring the machine back to the factory for a rebuild. That was his story, anyway. This was the manufacturer's own service department. They also sold annual service plans which he felt was unnecesary as they were very robustly designed machines.
Not long after he left the company was taken over by the Simpson/Email conglomerate which is now part of Electrolux.
Anyway, the connection to the POD: his own washer was one of the Healing Thor Trimatics. It was already old when he had it so it would have been from late fifties or early sixties??? I am not absolutely sure but I think it also took the dishwashing rack inside. It had an odd "impeller" in the wash tub, a pressed metal triangle with a rubber semi-circle at each tip of the triangle. Hence the Trimatic name I guess. It was fully automatic so I guess it must have also had a separate dishwashing section on the timer. I was only a youngster then so I don't remember much about it except that it was unusual and it fascinated me. He didn't use the dishwasher function, he said they had a reputation for breaking dishes. (possibly only if used wrong??)
The Healing name was because they were imported or assembled by Healing in Australia, but they were a Thor product. (Not sure if that is Thor UK or Thor USA.)
Until a year or so ago Healco were still the Victorian agents for Bendix and Thor washers, dryers and Dishwashers, made in Itsly by Philco.
So, Robert, where did you find this ad?
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 33537-10/11/2003-11:30 ||| ProgramComputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT: About the Bendix Duomatic
MESSAGE: Ironic,
I was just last night talking to my mom about the Bendix that we used to have in our kitchen when I was younger. She told me that she really liked the fact that you could wash and dry a load of clothing without transferring the clothes, and that it was all in one unit. But, she did not like the amount of time that it took to complete the whole cycle.
I too can remember sitting in front of it and watching it go thru the whole cycle. I think that is WHY I took to such a liking to my Grandma's Westy's. I remember that the Bendix wasn't very loud, and that it had a detergent dispenser in the top lid that the soap went in. And ours WAS electric, because when they ripped it out and put a dishwasher in it's place, there was NO gas hookup. Someplace there is a picture of me standing where the Duo was. And I'm waving I was 4 at the time.
The first time my moms mother saw it, she thought that it was indeed bizarre , and told my mom to replace the damn thing before it broke on her (which it did). My grandma who owned all those Kenmores that Uncle joe sold her. She ended up buying Maytags too.
When my dads mom first saw it, she said that nothing cleans as good as a front loader, and that she shold keep it. Of course at that point she was still using her 1963 Westinghouses. And considering that my mom, not liking my dad's mother much never bought a front loader.
So when the dryer part stopped work,(sometime between winter 79 and spring of 80) "I'm not sure" even my mom can't remember anymore....she didn't even TRY to fix it.
WHY? Because she had store credit, ALOT of it with J.W. Knapps Department Store. My mom worked there part time from 1967-1980, and put half of her weekly check into a store credit plan.
Thankfully she did buy them though, because in the fall of 1980, Knapp's closed it's huge downtown Lansing Art Deco emporium, and then it's Lansing Mall branch store in 1981. But sadness averted, she got an excellent deal on the Maytags that I remember all too well. In fact she told me just last night that when she bought them, all she owed the store was about 68.00 or so.
So our Duomatic as I have said was relegated to the garage, where it was used as a rag washer, and I think my mom used it to wash vegtables from the garden too. I see where I get it. I use an old wringer to do that which is in my garage.
It's funny too.....as we were chatting she askd me...What do you think about me getting one of those "new style" front loader washers? Can you get me a good deal on those new Maytag Neptunes?
I just wanted to reach thru the phone, pat her on the head, and give her a sucker.
Ah how the memories percolate.
Chad
P.S. How long did THOR make machines in the US. I have seen ad's for the washers and dryers as late as the very early 1960's, but that's all. I know that here they were made by the Hurley Machine company of Chicago Ill. Anyone out there know?
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Post# 33538-10/11/2003-19:56 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Bendix Duomatic
MESSAGE: Thor is still around and make the softline of washer/
dryers. Click on the link to see also gives the history of Thor.
http://www.thorappliances.com/
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Post# 33539-10/11/2003-20:16 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Bendix Duomatic
MESSAGE: It has been awhile since I last looked at the Thor
we site. Looks like they have brought back the Apex
name and as of 10/2/03 they are bringing back the old Chambers cook stoves. My wife refuses to have a front load
even though I do most of the laundry. She grew up in
a Frigidaire house with the jet action washers.
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Post# 33540-10/12/2003-00:00 ||| Sqbackye (Phoenix, Arizona)
SUBJECT: Gambles-Skogmo "Coronado" refrigerator
MESSAGE: I recently acquired a 1953 Coronado refrigerator, and can't find much info about it except that it was sold through the Gambles-Skogmo auto parts chain. Who made it for them? Thanks!
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Post# 33541-10/12/2003-00:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: Guaranteed for 5 years
MESSAGE: Who's the man?
I'm the man.
I was the first to see today's POD :-P
This is one of my dream machines.
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Post# 33542-10/12/2003-00:55 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid ('63 Kenny)
MESSAGE: Son, you know I will be waiting with baited breath to see the finished work on the 1963 Kenny.
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Post# 33543-10/12/2003-01:15 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Guaranteed for 5 years
MESSAGE: You da man!
First prize: a wash-in for one at the "museum" of your choice, with unlimited access. I will Fedex you all my dirty laundry.
Ya know, you always see on TV and the movies prison scenes where the inmates are banished to do laundry...call me crazy, but this dont seem like punishment to me (sez the man who just tried to get Jason to do all his wash).
Sincerely,
Crazy
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Post# 33544-10/12/2003-01:21 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Guaranteed for 5 years (paper napkin)
MESSAGE: Okay, this is now my dream machine, too. But, I wanna find one in working order just for the sole purpose of watching it not tear a paper napkin.
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Post# 33545-10/12/2003-15:57 ||| Loriek (South Lyon, MI)
SUBJECT: Kenmore He3 & 3t... is the 3t worth the extra money?
MESSAGE: Please help me answer this question. I found a post a couple of years ago that talked about these machines, but there wasn't much on the pros and cons. Can anyone tell me if the water heat, faster rpms, and porcelain body is worth $300 more? Thanks!
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Post# 33546-10/12/2003-19:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: I took these pics with a disposable camera and am disappointed at the way they came out and lost even more resolution uploading here but at least hopefully you get the idea, most of you I am sure have seen these machines before .... enjoy ...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp%3f.dir=/latest%2bfinds%2b...%26.dnm=73KAdw3.jpg%26.src=ph&.view=t
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Post# 33547-10/12/2003-19:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kitchen Aid ('63 Kenny)
MESSAGE: will probably be picking it back up in about a month ...
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Post# 33548-10/12/2003-19:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore He3 & 3t... is the 3t worth the extra money?
MESSAGE: Lorie, this actually belongs in the Sandbox because it's a modern washer. But to answer your question, YES!!!
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Post# 33549-10/12/2003-19:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Greg, you did a fine job with the pix. much better than the ones I took of the last convention with my disposeable camera. ANd BTW, tht's a 1955 dryer, not a 1954 Frigidaire dryer.
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Post# 33550-10/12/2003-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: The 1972 Maytag washer is just exactly like the one my dad lost in the 1972 flood in Rapid City S.Dak. It was recovered and rebuilt by the local Maytag dealer. Was used another 15-18 yrs befroe it died. While they had it after rebuiding the cabinet was scrached and dented-but it worked.
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Post# 33551-10/12/2003-19:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Guaranteed for 5 years (paper napkin)
MESSAGE: This is something to be seen-usually ANY paper item that finds its way to the washer is shredded or "pulped"!!-except papermoney.Then the paper shreddings are stuck on the clothes. In fact soft paper items such as napkins,paper towels,toilet paper is DESIGNED to break up readilly when wet so it can be disposed of in public sewer systems or a septic tank.
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Post# 33552-10/12/2003-19:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: This is interesting-In an apartment house I used to live it they had two boilers(dual fuel-nat gas or fuel oil)one boiler provided the hot water-the other was for heat. The building engineer switched them each year. In the summer the heating boiler was shut down. The hot water heating one ran all the time.It heated the water to about boiling-then was "moderated" to the usual 130-140 degree temp by mixing it with cold water-A thermastatic valve did this. The boilers ran on gas at the time because it was cheaper to burn than oil.Wouldn't your fuel bills be expensive?It would seem a gas fired unit would be cheaper to run. the apartment house system could be reconverted readily to run off oil in an emergency.A new Carrier 4 compressor 200 ton chiller was used for airconditioning Apartment was in Wash DC area.I even figured out how to turn on the Chiller!!
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Post# 33553-10/12/2003-20:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better - Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: Souns like "Hotpoint" in UK must be less related to the GE-Hotpoint than in the USA. The washers you have are much nicer than the GE-hotpoint I used in the US.The ones I used were in one Apartment building Laundramat. You would see some marked Hotpoint and others GE. they were Identical though. The machine you had that broke down is consirably different.Was Better.Too bad that design wasn't usded in the US.
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Post# 33554-10/12/2003-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: Would seem easier and more efficient to use two 60 gal units-Ie one 60 gal unit for each floor of a large 2 story house.Some large homes were set up this way. I guess depends on the plumbing codes of the area where the house was built.
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Post# 33555-10/12/2003-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: 20 gal heaters are uasually found in "business" washrooms and such where there are no showers or laundry equipment. Have also seen them in trailers.
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Post# 33556-10/12/2003-20:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heaters)
MESSAGE: Out in my area-I have seen 75 gal heaters at Lowes or Home Depot,and Sears.(North Carolina)When I was in Manassas VA,the Home Depot there had a Gas fired 75Gal unit you could install OUTSIDE your house. Me and my friend installed an indooor gas 75Gal unit in his house to replace a failed machine.
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Post# 33557-10/12/2003-20:24 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Guaranteed for 5 years (paper napkin - I've "
done"
that...)
MESSAGE: Sorry to go a bit off-topic here, but I actually did wash a paper towel in my front loader, using the quick cycle which took about 32 minutes. The paper towel, a 2-ply Brawny (purchased for the picture on the package, of course!) separated neatly into two separate plys, which came through at the end of the cycle clean, damp, and whole. I now feel pretty sure of the gentleness of tumble-action washing. And the clothes always get clean, too...
Thank you, Betty Furness and Club Ladies of the New York Federation of Women's Clubs, WHEREVER you are!
Some folks think I should have my head examined.
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Post# 33558-10/12/2003-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: I primarily use the Warm-cold,or cold-cold settings. Don't have much occasion to use the Hot-warm setting-it does work though. I have a 40 gal water heater in my house-Its new-would at some time like to replace it with a 60 gal model. The house I am in is about 1900 Sq Ft. I lived in a townhouse that was less than 1200 Sq ft and it had a 60 gal heater.In my larger home the 40 just isn't quite large enough. I like LONG hot showers.I like the washer and plan to keep it until it TOTALLY dies. Would even have it fixed if it breaks. The new machines are just DRECK!!I guess the HOT-WARM was used a while ago by the folks Whoe really wanted their clothes Washed. Some say the warm water rinse was better in getting out bleach if you used it. I do not. Can really ruin your clothes. I use the Chlorine bleach to primarily clean up mildew. The NC area is very humid and you can get mildew.Come to think of it the newer Sears Kenmore machine the whirlpool replaced had a hot-warm setting. I bought it around 1999.
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Post# 33559-10/12/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Tip Toe Matic
MESSAGE: Isn't this a dryer that has a foot pedal to use to open the dryer door?
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Post# 33560-10/12/2003-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Guaranteed for 5 years (paper napkin - I've )
MESSAGE: That sounds interesting I should get a roll of Bountys and try your experiment in my Whirlpool and so if the towel holds up or gets shredded. I guess with this you had better not "flush" any Bounty towels!! I have heard of some people trying to flush paper towels.
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Post# 33561-10/12/2003-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heater dip tube)
MESSAGE: In my houe-GreenVille,NC-the dishwasher and the disposer are conected with cords to an outlet under the sink. The disposer is a batch feed model. Its died-trying to find another batch feeder. An old ISE-was installed when my place was built in 1972. The batch feeders can be installed this way since the switch to start-stop the machine is built into the disposal.In the meantime I use one of my old vita-mixes to grind the waste. May actually grind better than the disposer. Since my dishwasher has an electronic time and controls the cord allows you to unplug it when bad thunderstorms come up.
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Post# 33562-10/12/2003-20:59 ||| LorieK (South Lyon, MI)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore He3 & 3t... is the 3t worth the extra money? (Appnut: Kenmore He3t question posted in Sandbox...)
MESSAGE: Please can you give me some details on your answer! Many thanks!
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Post# 33563-10/12/2003-21:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heater dip tube)
MESSAGE: In my dealings with water heaters(three so far) you need to drain the plumbing associated with the heater and use the propane torch. You can cut the pipe above the solder joints with the tubing cutter(handy plumbing instrument)and use threaded connectors. After cutting and taking away the old heater-you solder on the threaded connectors to match your new heater-then install the new machine without soldering to it. Also the glass lining in many heaters can be damaged if you solder to them-esp when it is empty.
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Post# 33564-10/12/2003-22:29 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: The Maytag looks just like my A606. I pulled mine out of the garbage and replaced the center tub seal. Best all-around washing machine I've ever had.
Ken D.
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Post# 33565-10/12/2003-22:36 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: The reason many newer machines have only cold rinses is to improve the energy rating.
Some fabrics will shrink is shocked from hot to cold, or even warm to cold. Sweaters, for instance, usually are washed in cold, but the truth is you can usually wash them in warm if you also rinse in warm, and I don't think any new machine has a warm/warm cycle.
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Post# 33566-10/12/2003-22:45 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: An occasional hot wash with a little (1/3 cup and diluted) chlorine bleach added in the second half of the wash agitation, will not only clean your washer and drain, it'll brighten your BVDs too!
Sure chlorine bleach CAN ruin your clothes, if you're not using it correctly.
Ken D.
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Post# 33567-10/12/2003-23:36 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Guaranteed for 5 years (pilling)
MESSAGE: pills, Pills, *PILLS* - AAAUUUGH!!!
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Post# 33568-10/12/2003-23:38 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Guaranteed for 5 years (paper napkin - I've )
MESSAGE: Woah! I stand corrected; it *is* possible.
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Post# 33569-10/12/2003-23:43 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Tip Toe Matic
MESSAGE: This would make sense, but I dont remember any Kennys ever having that feature. I do remember seeing one in a catalog that had an oversized door that swung to the side, round about 1970 to 1972. It had a handle on it, though. It was the only one of its kind I have ever seen, unless you count the price leading Kenmore/Capri - I think those had (have?) swing out doors, but of the standard capacity width and height.
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Post# 33570-10/13/2003-00:01 ||| Acnjses (ohio)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Commander Electric Stove Info
MESSAGE: My hubby and I bought a Westinghouse Commander Stove at an auction last weekend and were wondering if anyone could give us more info on it. We don't know what year it was made and can't find the model number. It has 2 6 inch rings ,1 8inch ring and a well for simmering. Also a single oven ,warming drawer and 2 storage drawers. Any info would be appriciated.
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Post# 33571-10/13/2003-00:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: I have seen warm-warm,hot warm, on some newer machines(usually the more deluxe feature laden models) You had to choose to use the cycles.Also,some machines (kenmore,whirlpool) even had temp balancing devices in the cold water system-say during winter when water is very cold,below 70 degrees the washer water system would add alittle hot water to bring the "cold" water temp up to 70 degrees. I think this is since some powder detergents do not dissolve easily when water temp is below 70 degrees.This was on a newer Kenmore washer I used to have.Too get the warm-warm cycle-you may have to choose and buy the most deluxe washer models.The fabric temp "shocking" makes sense.I do not usually wear sweaters so I never had the experience of them shrinking. I use sweatshirts instead-I felt they were easier to clean.
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Post# 33572-10/13/2003-00:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: I have chosen not to use it unless the "BVDs" are REALLY dirty.
I think 1/3 cup was the amount they suggest you use per load.I use what they suggest or even a little less when I use it.Also it seems the Chlorine based bleaches can be more difficult to rinse out. The smell is unpleasent to me. I use the bleach primarily as a mildewcide-Works well for this.Also works good for cleaning the mildew thats gets in shower wall tile grouting.Its cheaper than the "chlorine " based cleaners sold for this purpose.
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Post# 33573-10/13/2003-07:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (' 54 ?? )
MESSAGE: I thought it was a '55 too Bob, but it is stamped in the back MFG April 1954 ????
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Post# 33574-10/13/2003-07:27 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: its exactly like the machine I grew up with, ....... actually in comparison, I like the old washing action better then on the new ones today ........
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Post# 33575-10/13/2003-07:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: this one is an A207, I may be wrong about '72 could be a '71 or '70 but I agree, a very well made, BUILT TO LAST washer ...
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Post# 33576-10/13/2003-07:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (' 54 ?? )
MESSAGE: Those wacky Frigidaire engineers! Just like their automotive counterparts, introducing model lines before January of the new model year. I think I have a July 1964 Tech Talk that introduces the 1965 dishwasher line. We'll have to rely on the Frigidaire guys to check the Tech Talks...
Great stuff you got!
-ph
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Post# 33577-10/13/2003-07:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Tip Toe Matic
MESSAGE: I believe the Tip-Toe Matic was a vacuum...
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Post# 33578-10/13/2003-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Excellent find that 55 dryer - does it run? You can get elements for it from Larry in Cleveland if you need them.
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Post# 33579-10/13/2003-07:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: I use hot/warm and warm/warm almost all the time now since most of my stuff is cotton. Cotton rinses better in warm water. It's 1986 Lady Kenmore, the first year with the ATC.
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Post# 33580-10/13/2003-07:59 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: Duh, that's why you extra rinse stuff that has been bleached. The smell lingers and you need a 2nd rinse. Washers from the 1950s with overflow rinses were excellent at doing this.
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Post# 33581-10/13/2003-08:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (' 54 ?? )
MESSAGE: This DV-65 dryer model was covered in the August 1954 issue of Tech-Talk. There is another one of these dryers in the warehouse of that Early, Iowa store some of us have been to a few times.
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Post# 33582-10/13/2003-08:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: When our cold tap water temp starts to dip in the winter, I use all warm rinses. Bitter cold water doesn't clean or rinse worth a damn. With a non-auto temp control machine or a thermostatic water valve (to regulate the warm temp) I usually readjust the faucets to compensate for the cold water temps.
Oh, what we do for clean laundry!
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Post# 33583-10/13/2003-08:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Bendix Duomatic (washer/dryer combination reliability)
MESSAGE: So are there any opinions as to how reliable combos were? Obviously they had to be very complicated, so the chance for breakdown had to be greater than separate machines. Amongst the various manufacturers, has anyone heard who was the best or worst? I've only had personal experience with a Kenmore combo, and during the time I was taking care of it for a friend's Mother, the only thing it needed was a door gasket (replaced by a Sears repairman, it leaked when she got it) and a belt that I replaced myself. It was an electric model.
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Post# 33584-10/13/2003-08:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore He3 & 3t... is the 3t worth the extra money? (Kenmore He3t)
MESSAGE: It was Consumer Reports highest rated washer when they tested it, matter of opinion as to if it's worth it, probably depends on energy, detergent, and water savings payback time, which varies depending on where you live.
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Post# 33585-10/13/2003-08:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (batch feed garbage disposal)
MESSAGE: The only brand I knew that used batch-feed was GE. In-Sink-erator makes Sears disposers, and they also have the ability to be unjammed using a wrench that fits in a socket under the disposer. If you don't want to install an external switch to control a conventional disposer, there are air switches that mount in a hole in the sink like a sprayer or dishwasher air gap. Pushing the button then activates a remote switch mounted under the sink to turn on the disposer.
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Post# 33586-10/13/2003-09:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (warm rinse)
MESSAGE: I think machines still have warm rinse as an option that overrides the cold rinse default of today's washers.
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Post# 33587-10/13/2003-09:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Lingering bleach smell)
MESSAGE: Of course, now they have "scented" chlorine bleach, and I imagine fabric softener would also wipe out any lingering bleach smell, too.
I've never noticed any lingering bleach smell in loads from my '78 KM. Possibly the "spray rinses" get rid of it?
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Post# 33588-10/13/2003-10:07 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (' 54 ?? )
MESSAGE: thanks Peter !!
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Post# 33589-10/13/2003-10:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (funny you ask ...)
MESSAGE: The dryer runs great Greg, BUT I noticed when looking inside to the upper left that there were four straight heating elements glowing red, I thought there were only two, which means that two must NOT be working in my '58 ....... where only two glow red in that one ......
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Post# 33590-10/13/2003-11:33 ||| ricky (durham england UK)
SUBJECT: RE: About the Bendix Duomatic (washer/dryer combination reliability)
MESSAGE: I too own a Bendix combo washer dryer (some of you might remember from last year) i bought this on ebay it is a 1965 british model and had not been used or connected from new. Its been connected and running as my only washer since last August and touch wood its going great.It sits proudly in my 50's/60's style kitchen and causes a great deal of conversation with visitors. I use it 3 times a week and would like to know how reliable it could be as i guess its now out of warranty!!What were the main breakdowns with this model? Ps will try to get a Link to share photos !
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Post# 33591-10/13/2003-12:52 ||| jetcirclefill (Pensacola, Fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Tip Toe Matic
MESSAGE: It's an ironer. You used your feet(tip-toe) to control the roll and shoe.
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Post# 33592-10/13/2003-13:05 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone have any pic's of the POD inside racks. I have never seen the inside of one of these machines. I know they made a top loader years ago & would love to see the inside of one of these also. For some reason I missed that brand when growing up . Any info or pic's would be greatly appreciated. mikepaquette@sympatico.ca Thanks Michael
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Post# 33593-10/13/2003-16:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (funny you ask ...)
MESSAGE: There are two Radiantube elements, each are kind of a long "U" shape. These are mounted in a shroud that pulls out from the back of the machine, inside the rear access panel, upper right hand corner. I think Larry at Modern Parts in Cleveland has a couple of these elements still.
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Post# 33594-10/13/2003-16:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (batch feed garbage disposal)
MESSAGE: Most manufacturers made batch-feed models as well as continuous feed. They were loved by those who owned them, I've only ever seen one, installed on a switched line. The lady was so timid of the thing that she would load it up, latch the cover, turn on the water then step as far away as she could before flipping the wall switch.
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Post# 33595-10/13/2003-16:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: ITS HERE (Performs Better - Very Interesting)
MESSAGE: I know, that's why I wanted to know who made it if Hotpoint didn't. I found out they do so...
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Post# 33596-10/13/2003-16:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heater dip tube)
MESSAGE: Our house is 15 years old, our dishwasher is hard plumbed and hard wired. The water heater is hard plumbed too and the gas has no flex connection. It kind of sucks to remove the water line from the dishwasher.
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Post# 33597-10/13/2003-16:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: Aha! Our one year old washer has two warm/warm temps! Check it out on my link in "member links"
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Post# 33598-10/13/2003-16:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: That's really polite...
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Post# 33599-10/13/2003-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: yes I am on the lookout for a washer that has the overflow rinse!
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Post# 33600-10/13/2003-18:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Water heater dip tube)
MESSAGE: Looks like you will need to get the tubing cutter if you should have to replace any of your plumbing!-or you have to pay a plumber BIG BUCKS!!
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Post# 33601-10/13/2003-18:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Tip Toe Matic
MESSAGE: wow-interesting-sounds like a nice,user freindly machine to use.
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Post# 33602-10/13/2003-18:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Lingering bleach smell)
MESSAGE: this is the bleach I currently have-It seems like no matter what "scent" the bleach manufacturer uses-It can't cover the "chlorine" smell.It is a "chlorox" product.
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Post# 33603-10/13/2003-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (batch feed garbage disposal)
MESSAGE: the machine in my house is an In-Sink-Erator. The old 1972 model. ISE still makes batch feeders-but not many stores stock them.You have to go to a specialty appliance or plumbing store.Lowes and Home Depot do not carry them.The demand for batch feeders is very low.They are more expensive.Basically-there are now only two major disposer makers.They are-ISE and Aneheim Manufacturing. ISE make them under their name and Sears.You can tell them easily-Induction drive motors and Swivel or fixed shredder impellers.My very old one uses fixed shredders.Aneheim Manufacturing makes disposers under Sinkmaster,Waste King,GE,Whirlaway. They have swivel impellers and Permanent magnet drive motors. They run at higher speed and have greater torque when loaded hard.The permag motor also draws less power.They are not easily reversed though.the induction motor machine are easily reversed.This can help clear a jammed shredder.Many of the deluxe ISE machines autoreverse each time you start it.This also evens out wear on the shredder parts.
There is also a company that builds a disposer that does not use an electric motor to drive the shredder mechanism.It uses the pressure of the incoming water to drive it-then use the water to flush away the shredded food waste. Its a Hydromaid.Its more expensive than a regular disposer-but dosen't need electric connections or a switch.and the ISE built machin es come with the allen wrench like unjammer tool.
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Post# 33604-10/13/2003-19:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: I was being sarcastic with that comment "that's really polite..." Since saying "DUH" doesn't sound very nice. Kind of like "How is it possible you didn't know that" kind of talking, I hate it when people talk/think like that.
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Post# 33605-10/13/2003-20:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: Yes,I looked up your link. The Kenmore Series 80 machine you have looks like the one I traded to the Whirlpool Imperial 90.Yes,now I remember the double rinse option the machine has.This could be useful for times you used bleach.I have the 2 large used appliance stores looking For those Really Vintage overflow rinse solid tub machines. One store even said they threw those away because nobody wanted them! I said I was interested,and to hold any they run into.I visited the "graveyards" of both and nothing really interesting.I have some of the Ectrolux vacs that you have. I have an Ambassodor model.I have a large number of "lux vacs.the appliance places I deal with mention the older the machine is the lower the price they sell it.Oh yes-do the Electrolux attachements for the central vac-did those come with the "soluvac" central vac you have? in two houses my mother used to live in had central vacs. One of them was a Black and Decker unit,the other a Nutone. when I visited my jobs were to empty the machine(replace the bag) or unclog their plumbing. the Nutones could come apart easily-usually the clog was in the attic on a hot Florida day.
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Post# 33606-10/13/2003-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (batch feed garbage disposal)
MESSAGE: Reminds me of one of workplaces I was at that had a very large trash-garbage compactor(ram-jet) They would load the trash in it,close the interlocked door,step back and push the button and run. I liked feeding the hungry thing. Was great on days when I was assigned to clean the shop.
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Post# 33607-10/13/2003-21:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: I would take an overflow rinsing washer any day as well. Unfortunatly the ambassador went to my sister and she is using it. Lets hope she doesn't abuse it:-) As for the central attachments, here is the story.
The central vad came with our house 15 years ago. At that time, we had Hoover attachments that I can only vaguely remember. A wire broke inside the hose and it was out of warrenty. Then we got our second Hoover set. Actually it was the same attachments and power nozzle, just a new hose. Then that hose lasted about 7 years. The same thing happened to it. So then since the power nozzle for the hoover spirit broke a few years before that (my dad stepped on it somehow.) we use the power nozzle from the hoover central attachments and now use it for the spirit. We also use the attachments with the spirit (I drilled the attachment carrier on it myself, if you saw it in the pictures.) So now we have two dead hoses sitting in our basement and we now use the electrolux attachment set and have been VERY happy with it. We got them in 93 I think and nothing, NOTHING has gone wrong yet.
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Post# 33608-10/13/2003-22:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: '63KA running again
MESSAGE: A few days ago, I tackled the 1963 Kitchen Aid top load (last model with the cast iron spray arm - which i LOVE ) that was not working. I put in a new fill valve, oiled the fan motor, a new relay and then today, cut my own gasket for inside and outside of the motor and gooped it up and reinstalled the motor. Toughest part was holding the motor, machine on its side, while my mom screwed the first couple screws back in. Wired the timer back up and tried her out, well, as the gods blessed me, all seemed to work well, I don't think I need a new timer either, the only other dilemma is needing a new fill hose desperately, which I already replaced with a washing machine hose at the fill valve end and will splice/join together near the connection end ..............., the porcelain interior is very faded and yellowed, and feels gritty and not shiny smooth, but no rust, I touched up the rust spots on the racks, repainted the cast iron spray arm grey ................. and all is good. I will finish the hose connection tomorrow and need to run her with some special interior dishwasher cleaner and any early rust spots I will coat with liquid porcelain, and/or this NEW PRODUCT I found called "RACKCOTE" which is especially made for dishwasher racks that have rust coming through. I may repaint the interior with this stuff at some point, if rust starts to show, oh and last but not least and rather important, I need to reinstall the detergent cup but am a little lost as to how it is assembled ???
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Post# 33609-10/13/2003-23:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Laundry Guide
MESSAGE: Does anybody own one of these machines and needs and instruction manual?
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/trolley717
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Post# 33610-10/14/2003-00:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: Thats pretty neat-making it so you can use the same power nozzle for the spirit cleaner or the central one. Can the old hoover hoses be used in the central system for suction only attachments?or did the wiring in the hose start or stop the central unit as well? Thats pretty good for the "lux hose and attachments lasting 10 years and still going.
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Post# 33611-10/14/2003-00:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: Actually, we can't use the hoover power nozzle with the electrolux attachments, the openings are different and the electrical connections don't work, I want to do it though since I like the hoover PN better than the lux one, and I like the lux hose better than the hoover ones (they are busted anyway.) BTW the one hose broke totally, the controls shorted out and melted:-( The other one just had a broken wire in the hose that controlled the PN, so we could use that one for suction only attachments.
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Post# 33612-10/14/2003-00:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (hot-warm)
MESSAGE: In the first line instead of saying "electrolux attachments" I should have said "electrolux hose" Just thought I would clear it up:-)
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Post# 33613-10/14/2003-01:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (batch feed garbage disposal)
MESSAGE: oh yes-I just thought of it-ISE also makes machines under the Maytag and Kichenaid names. they used to make their own disposals but then farmed it out. ISE also makes the buiders brand called "Badger" these are the best cheap machines I have used-they may be small"1/3 Hp" but can grind up most any food waste.I have used them in the apartment houses I lived in. Also a Townhouse I used to live in. The Badger died and I replaced it with an ISE that had Stainless steel grind parts,hopper and flywheeel. The Virginia water was verycorrosive(hard).The badgers have zinc plated steel parts. OK in areas where the water isn't hard.
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Post# 33614-10/14/2003-01:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: Maytag refridgerator factory
MESSAGE: I heard it on the NBC Evening news 10-13-The Maytag fridge plant in Gardner Ill. was closing down. didn't say where the fridges were going to be made after that. The "Ripple" effect was closing down other factories as well. Some that are not Maytag.
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Post# 33615-10/14/2003-04:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: I couldn't find that story but I did find this story about Maytag
LINK: http://www.charleston.net/stories/081003/bus_10maytag.shtml
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Post# 33616-10/14/2003-09:18 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964
MESSAGE: Hi Guy's
This is a message for HBMUK, and all of you who are interested in UK washers. This weekend I picked a Hotpoint 1501 this was one of the first automatic top loading washers that Hotpoint ever produced over here !!
It was made in 1964, and had a very limited programme, 1 -12 minute wash, spin, 1 x deep rinse, then spin again..that was you lot!!
However the machine's inside's never changed from 1963 through to 1998 when they stop making the machine..I think it is great looking..take a look at the "Hotpoint" album of the link below:
Enjoy !!
Regards
Keith
LINK: http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/shaunandkeith
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Post# 33617-10/14/2003-11:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: I'm the winner in an auction of a Hoover Keymatic. Some of you remember that I was able to buy a Keymatic a few years ago. This is the same machine. According to the owners, with whom I talked on the phone today, it looks good and the machine is probably still working. They haven't used it for a while because the bought a new one, but before that they never had any problems with it. I guess there will be a washer in my livingroom soon....
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/vwp?.dir=/My+Photo+Album&.dnm=Hoover+Keymatic+manual.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 33618-10/14/2003-11:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your Hotpoint. Nice machine. I see there are two controls on the panel, I guess the left one is the timer, what does the right one do? Do you have it connected to hot and cold or to cold only?
BTW, I like your screenname ;-)
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Post# 33619-10/14/2003-13:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting this here - it's always interesting to see the classics from across the pond! That Hotpoint is a beautiful machine, I didn't realize the Hotpoint twinnies had the filter flow & pan also. I enjoyed all of your pictures - in particular the Thor washer, it looks identical to the machines sold here in the 40's & 50's. Do you have it running?
Welcome and thanks again - Greg
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Post# 33620-10/14/2003-13:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Congrats Louis - I can't wait to see the pics of the machine when you get it!
Where will you put it? ;-)
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Post# 33621-10/14/2003-16:28 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: I told you before that thre is nothing wrong with washers in the livingroom... ;-) I have a platform, kind of a stage in the back of the livingroom. People who lived in this apartment before me had a motorcycle on it. I turned it into a kind of kitchy corner. I have a huge leather armchair and a table there. The Keymatic will stand there too and I will hang some 50's paintings over it. If only I could hook it up. Wouldn't that be neat, a working washer in the livingroom?
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Post# 33622-10/14/2003-17:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: A washer on a stage....like a shiny metal "diva" for everyone to fawn over!
For parties, you can fill the washer manually, turn on the machine and disconnect the timer motor so it will just slosh away all evening. Sounds like a great party, Martha Stewart eat your heart out!
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Post# 33623-10/14/2003-18:46 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic (varied uses for vinatge washer)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg and Louis!
How about filling it with crushed ice and inserting some bottled beers during a party? They would stay nice and cold and what fun opening the washer to pull out a beer! I've thought that a nice pink wringer washer would serve this purpose well...you could roll it to where ever you wanted it and fill it up with cold drinks! And then run a towel into the wringer to wipe your hands on. Some of those old wringer washes even had insulated double tubs that would really keep things cold (or hot for that matter). I've got to get one!
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Post# 33624-10/14/2003-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: It was the factory in Galesburg that was being closed down.The workers were Riffed(layed off) and that plants operations were to be moved to Mexico. There goes the Maytag Quality! And if this trend continues-how will people buy the Mexican built refrigerators if they don't have a job??-they won't be able to buy the FOOD to put in it either.These trends need to be reversed NOW.The story was run on the 10-13 evening NBC news report.The news report mentioned one of the workers was in Iraq under military reserves-Won't have a job to come home to-NICE?
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Post# 33625-10/14/2003-19:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic (varied uses for vinatge washer)
MESSAGE: How bout using the wringer washer in place of the blender to mix milkshakes,punch,Margaritas,Diaquaris,etc. You could make enough for everyone all at once!! I saw that on an old Dennis The Menice show.
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Post# 33626-10/14/2003-19:56 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964 (The only difference )
MESSAGE: The only difference is the single timer, the Hotpoint timer also controled the heater. My Hotpoint has a year made lable on it 1993, the single dial on my TL has 7 wash programes that incroperate the wash time and heating of the water in the washer. The lower the number, the higher the water tempreture heats and the longer the agitator action. It also has 6 other preselection buttons for heavy soil to extend the washing action for 5 mins more, gentle action, half load, rinse hold, slow spin and economy wash. Correct me if I am wrong but Hotpoint introduced the water heating on their Liberator TL in the early mid 70s, also did the Hotpoint 1501 have a heating element in the washer that worked automatically. Judging by the style of timer I dont think this is the case but please do correct me
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Post# 33627-10/14/2003-20:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: In looking thru your link-i noticed the book or brocure on a Starmix food processer-Is this a new machine? Why I ask is I have a recipe book that is about 15 yrs old that the author wrote recipes for three machines-A kichenaid mixer,Cuisinart processer,then the Starmix machine. I think the Starmixes were available in the USA at one time.Also I would say a fascinating variety of Hotpoint Appliances I have never seen in the USA. All we have are the Cheezy GE versions. I think I like the overseas versions better-would like to see these versions imported to the US.
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Post# 33628-10/14/2003-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: I knew someone that had a cast iron old style bathtub is his apartment living room--He had a hose connected to it to drain it into the kichen sink when he was finished using it. The apartment house landlord didn't seem to mind.-He didn't get the floor wet.I would think-like the bathtub-use long hoses to hook up the washer and hope you have a permissive landlord.
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Post# 33629-10/14/2003-20:35 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: I think that we would all love to have a stage for our most prized machines.....if only a living room big enough.
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Post# 33630-10/14/2003-20:41 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964
MESSAGE: Keith, you have a great collection going. I had a Twin-Tub washer in the early 80's that was left in an apartment that I rented. The name was Ambassador and it had the same filter pan and agitator of your Hotpoint. I tried to have it fixed but no parts were available any more. I wish I could find another one some day, have never seen another. I wonder if this machine was a Hotpoint underneith the badge. Anyone know?
Thanks for sharing your pics.
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Post# 33631-10/14/2003-20:42 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, congradulations on you new arrival. It is exciting I am sure.
Best to you
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Post# 33632-10/14/2003-20:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: I find the variety of Hoover Laundry products to be fascinating.The only ones I have seen or been associated with was the twin tub Hoover washer that you rolled to the sink to use.It had an agitate basket and a spin basket. I never used it but saw it in a college roommates trailer home. My brother had a small Hoover dryer to use with a Frigidare washer. It was full sized washer and was in the trailers bathroom. The Hoover dryer was put in the trailers entrance vesibule.It was nice doing laundry at his house on some weekends-His washer dryer didn't need to have quarters put in them. The trailer sure shook when the frigidare washer was in the agitate or spin cycle. The washer had the "jumping jack" style agitator. I had to replace the timer in the machine once-was very straightforward. the timer was in a metal box that you bolted to the control panel-reconnected the leads and put the dial back on. Took only an hour to do. A few years ago I replaced the timer in aGE washer-what a hassle-took all day I had to ASSEMBLE the timer with no instructions or schematic. Used the old one as an example.The GE timer was loaded with pins and cams you had to assemble.
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Post# 33633-10/14/2003-23:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: 1984 Sunbeam Catalog
MESSAGE: Here's another item taking up space, does anybody have a 1984 Sunbeam appliance they need a brochure for?
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/trolley717
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Post# 33634-10/15/2003-06:37 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Congratulations.
You have been chasing this one for a while, you must be excited!
Best of luck with it.
Chris.
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Post# 33635-10/15/2003-08:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic (varied uses for vintage washer)
MESSAGE: Quite some ideas. I agree with you about the wringer washer too, but we might take some precautions against the danger of somebody getting his hand in the wringer ;-)
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Post# 33636-10/15/2003-08:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: No, the Starmix is a machine from the early seventies. It was sold in the UK under the Hoover label. I don't know if the Starmix machines were ever sold in the UK, I think noone metioned that brand ever. Perhaps Scott knows more about that?
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Post# 33637-10/15/2003-08:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Thank you Bruce, it is exciting, especially since I had to let go the previous time. I have to be a little patient though, I'm going to pick it up on the 25th.
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Post# 33638-10/15/2003-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964
MESSAGE: Wow Keith, very fun washer. I love the spirl-ator style agitator. I can't tell by the pictures, is the Hotpoint a solid tub or perforated tub washer?
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Post# 33639-10/15/2003-08:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Thank you Chris, I think I would never sleep again if I would have to let go this time.
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Post# 33640-10/15/2003-08:38 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Good things come to those who wait... Patience is a virtue... Gongrats, Louis!
-ph
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Post# 33641-10/15/2003-08:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic (Yay for the Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Yay for the Keymatic Louis, congatulations!!!! It will look just beautiful in your Living Room. Hey if you can send me some good pictures and a advertisement for it, lets add a Keymatic wing to the museum to celebrate.
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Post# 33642-10/15/2003-08:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964
MESSAGE: Great collection, Keith! Are they all restored and useable? Looks like you guys had some rebadged Westy imports there in those English Electic Washing ads.
-ph
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Post# 33643-10/15/2003-08:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Oh great! I better not tell my '56 Unimatic in the dining room or the '78 1-18 set in the living room that you have a STAGE for your machines! Bad enough the ABC is up on a pallet in the carport, looking all important out there!
-ph
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Post# 33644-10/15/2003-12:30 ||| Agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: Hello everyone. I am new to this site. I was wondering where
I can get a list of the models of washers made between 48-60.
I saw Unimatic's 52 whirlpool. I understand this was their
2nd model design that was continued until 54?
I have seen the model they made for only one year.I
am thinking of the imperial made between 55-56.I have seen
greg gansky's literature on the 56 and 57 models. I was curious
as to how long they continued that redisgned 57 imperial.
Those early whirlpool/kenmore machines look very tank like.
Thanks for any information anyone might be able to provide.
p.s. I tried contacting whirlpool and they were not much help.
Thanks again
Pat
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Post# 33645-10/15/2003-12:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Lingering bleach smell)
MESSAGE: I totally agree. It has been my experience. The "scented" bleaches "help" with the smell not being as strong, but it's still there. But then again, my sense of smell might be heightened since my vision is impaired.
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Post# 33646-10/15/2003-12:43 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: '63KA running again
MESSAGE: FANTASTIC Greg!!!
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Post# 33647-10/15/2003-12:45 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Luigi, incredible. And just think, the new decorating statement.
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Post# 33648-10/15/2003-12:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: Sorry to dispute you, but Maytag's refrigerators were some of the WORST reliable fridges on the market. hence the acquisition of Amana, to obtain Amana's refrigeration expertise. The plant closure is part of that acqusition effect. Plus Maytag as already sending other production to Mexico.
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Post# 33649-10/15/2003-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic (Yay for the Keymatic)
MESSAGE: I will see what I can find. I believe there is also a manual and besides that I have some other material as well. I will take some pictures, but I still haven't got a digital camera, so I don't know how the quality will work out. Great idea to open a Keymatic wing.
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Post# 33650-10/15/2003-13:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Even better, you have a stage outside so more people get to enjoy the ABC!!
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Post# 33651-10/15/2003-13:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: Mmy prediction is that soon more washers will show up in livingrooms....
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Post# 33652-10/15/2003-15:30 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: ABC-O-Matic on EBAY
MESSAGE: Greetings everyone! I have been looking back but have not seen a post on the ABC-O MATIC washer that was "new" and won by one of our own from the ebay auction last month. Did you get the machine yet? AND?????? By the way, I just returned from a 6 week trek from the northeastern states where I purchased a large home in Wytheville Virginia. The basement alone is around 3200 square feet but will be added on to become about 6,000 square feet. Finally a place for all of my washers, record players, and Christmas lighted collection......more news to follow! Mark
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Post# 33653-10/15/2003-18:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '63KA running again (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Bob, yea I was pretty psyched, my first vintage appliance fix all by myself .......... :)
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Post# 33654-10/15/2003-18:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Just bought a Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: At how bad TV shows are today the washer is entertaining as well as useful in cleaning your clothes.
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Post# 33655-10/15/2003-19:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: oh and ............ (Lingering bleach smell)
MESSAGE: The bottle of bleach I have is over a year old-do not use it frequently for wash. I think as it aged the scent that was added even becomes less effective. I use it primarily to kill and clean up mildew.I seem to have a good sense of smell and hearing for someone of my age-I can sometimes smell when one of our transmitters has a water or steam leak. Also can smell thunderstorms coming up in the area.I have also heard sounds in things at the tx site others don't hear.
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Post# 33656-10/15/2003-19:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: Yes,come to think of it-the Maytag fridges did have poor reputation.I knew of someone had lots of problems with the one she owned.Maytag should have stuck to making their laundry products and forget fridges,stoves, and other kichen appliances.There goes Amana!!
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Post# 33657-10/15/2003-21:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: Maytag never has had their minds in refrigerators, meaning they were fairly bare bones (up until the last 4 years or so) and they were not the most reliable. However, frigidaire's fridges are 10 times worse. Plus we have a early 90s maytag made norge fridge (I know, off topic...) condensor was PLUGGED with dust for a few years. Compressor consistantly ran too hot (not QUITE overheating, but almost) fridge run time was nearly 100% minus defrost time. Not a dollar spend on repairs. A thourough cleaning of the condensor and fan blade, and it is working like new. Again, it was made by maytag. I like the condensor style too, it takes longer to get plugged up. We have a dalmation so ANY condensor would get plugged.
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Post# 33658-10/15/2003-21:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: Stuck with laundry AND belt drive dishwashers then forget the other stuff:-)
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Post# 33659-10/15/2003-23:58 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC-O-Matic on EBAY
MESSAGE: Well now neighbor, I will have to visit you when ya all set up!
I pass by there every now and then when I visit my aunt in Glade Springs, VA., but it been quite a while since I've gone there!
Keep us posted when you get that room filled up!
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Post# 33660-10/16/2003-01:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: More brochures/catalogs
MESSAGE: I went through my instruction manual drawer today, and culled out brochures, catalogs, or instructions to items I don't have any longer or never owned in the first place.
1984 Sony TV catalog
1978 Shure V15 Type IV phono cartridge reviews
Robertshaw Thermal Eye Top Burner Control Instructions & Cooking Suggestions
1984 Sunbeam Appliance catalog
First come, first served, no charge.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/trolley717
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Post# 33661-10/16/2003-01:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: Oh yes-thats right Maytag built dishwashers too. When My dad replacement house was built in 1972 to replace one lost in the flood-he had a Maytag dishwasher installed. That machine last for about 20 yrs. I can only remember one repair-we did it ourselves-the screws that held the door latch on came loose-repositioned the latch-retightened-then was OK. I didn't look at the mechanism-would this be a BD model. The BD makes sense-I guess to keep the motor out of the water leakage path in case pump seals should fail.He replaced the old Maytag with a Jenn-Aire.
And those forced air cooled fridge condensor heat sinks-great Stationary vacuum cleaners. They suck up the dust stirred up from whomever walks by. I would think a short haired dalmation wouldn't plug it up very fast compared to a long haired dog. Reminds me -I need to clean or check the one on my 2 yr old Kichenaid.
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Post# 33662-10/16/2003-01:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: More brochures/catalogs
MESSAGE: Yes I have some info on the Shure V15 type IV cartridge-Even still have the cartridge. Got rid of the TT I had it in though.At that time I bought LOTS of Hi-Fi equipment.I found it as I was unpacking from my last move. Saved it anyway.
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Post# 33663-10/16/2003-09:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC-O-Matic on EBAY (AND...)
MESSAGE: AND it is in my carport along with the Frigidaire WO-65-2 that I just picked up and awaiting the 1953 ABC Dryer to arrive. Life has been shear, unadulterated hell for me the last 3 weeks, so I'll get to it when I get to it. When you open the lid, the smell of new rubber emenates from the machine, so my hopes are high that everything will work fine on it.
-ph
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Post# 33664-10/16/2003-09:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: Hi Agiflow, welcome to the club! What I do know is Whirlpool made their first washer model from 1949 to 1951. It came in two version, one a bolt-down model and the other a suspension system model. They both had the same square cabinet with the controls in front. Then in 1952 Whirlpool introduced the design with the controls at the rear of the washer and this design was produced until '54. In '54 Whirlpool produced at least three different style, including a 24" model. Maybe someone out there with the proper info can fill in what happens after that.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/whirlpool525/lst?&.dir=/1952+Whirlpool+Restoration+Part+1&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/whirlpool525/lst%3f%26.dir=/1952%2bWhirlpool%2bRestoration%2bPart%2b1%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 33665-10/16/2003-09:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC-O-Matic on EBAY (AND...)
MESSAGE: Fabulous Peter, when you come back from hell how about some pictures.
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Post# 33666-10/16/2003-10:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: ABC-O-Matic on EBAY (AND...)
MESSAGE: Yeah, yeah... After the Keymatic wing of the museum opens up... ;)
-ph
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Post# 33667-10/16/2003-11:02 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info.I never seen the restoration of the 52 before.How easy would it be to still get parts for wp/km
machines 50+yrs?
I hope they hold out with the porcelain tubs for a while to come. Their the only manufacturer left putting metal porcelain tubs in all their toploaders.
God Bless
Pat
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Post# 33668-10/16/2003-11:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid)
MESSAGE: I notice that in sears they don't carry the kitchenaid top-
loaders anymore. I was wondering if maybe they are marketing
their washers only through certain outlets? I have been to
p.c. richard and don't see them anymore.
I recently seen on the kitchenaid website that their machines
are all porcelain now.COOL.I would hope the cabinets are a
little sturdier than the wp line.
It's a shame that Maytag and Whirlpool are the last two
american manufacturers that are still putting out decent
laundry appliances. (Sorry for the off topic post.)
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Post# 33669-10/16/2003-15:22 ||| Johnny (Southbury CT)
SUBJECT: Looking for help
MESSAGE: Hello, I'm new to your group and could use a little help.
In the late 1950's my father was featured in a Westinghouse Washing machine TV commerial that was filmed in black and white. He spoke how Westinghouse endorsed Dash soap for use in it's machines. He also mentioned that it was advisable to turn off the water faucets after completing the wash. The commerial was filmed in New York Cih by a company called Filmways Production on West 57 St. The commerial aired about 10 times mostly with early afternoon soap opera's. My father worked for Westinghouse's Appilance Div. as a repairman for 37 years and has been retired for 15 years.
Would you know where I could possibly find a copy of this commerical? It would be a big treat for him to see it again.
PS Filmways didn't save this one.
Thank you for any help that you give me.
Johnny
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Post# 33670-10/16/2003-17:42 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (Neat!)
MESSAGE: Excellent slide show!!
Ken D.
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Post# 33671-10/16/2003-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for help
MESSAGE: Do you know what television network the spot ran on? I used to be in the commercial broadcast business as an engineer.I may be wrong-but it could have been CBS-anyway try to contact the network that ran the commercial. They might not be able to help directly-but could plug you into someone or a company that could have it in an archive.In most of these early TV "spots" they were usually recorded on a film media of some sort-usually 16MM or 35MM film. Video tape machines were just being introduced at that time.(and these were reel-to -reel)No videocassettes were around then. So be prepared if you get it as the original medium you will need a projector to play it back.16mm projectors sometimes can be bought cheaply from school surplus sales.35mm models are a diffrent matter-this is like what is used in theaters to play movies that you can see there.I have a 35MM portable projector. Sometimes these are available from film and movie collectors.In those days networks and TV stations had projectors that were used to play programs or the commercials like what you are looking for.(those were spliced together to form the "ad reel") that was played during ad breaks.A peice of metal foil was used to stop the projector when the break was over.Something like that old isn't going to be easy to pin down.You will need luck and persistence.
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Post# 33672-10/16/2003-19:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (helpful pics)
MESSAGE: Robert those pics were VERY HELPFUL to me, along with "kenmore1978's" tranny info that he emailed to me .......
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Post# 33673-10/16/2003-20:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid)
MESSAGE: I think the OLDER models are better-the belt drive versions especially. I had a direct drive Kenmore-built by whirlpool-and was not happy with it. Traded it towards a belt drive Whirlpool Imperial 90 that I am happier with. I figuring the Kicheniad washer models are Direct drive too.-these are built by Whirlpool.It would be nice to know if the KA machines have a METAL outer tub instead of plastic as in the Kenmore and Whirlpool machines. I had to have the plastic tub replaced on my Kenmore 80 after it was cracked by an off-balance spin.
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Post# 33674-10/16/2003-20:49 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid)
MESSAGE: Does any of the WP/KM guys out there know when whirlpool discontinued making the pop up lids on their washers?
I know the questions are not technical, but i find this stuff
very interesting nonetheless.
It's nice to know there are others with an interest in these
machines. I read the posts often and find them interesting.
Thank you Robert for this site.
God Bless
Pat
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Post# 33675-10/16/2003-22:01 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid)
MESSAGE: I know for a fact that the Kitchenaid washers are built just like wp/kenmore. Plastic outer tub as well. K/A 's used to have porcelain tops and lids , but I think they have stopped that also. Most k/a washers also have 3 speed motors with a bigger agitator base than wp/ken .They actually agitate at 2nd speed (slow) as their regular speed. Sorry if this is off subject!
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Post# 33676-10/16/2003-22:17 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: Well my dog's hair is coarse and fairly oily. Actually what happens is a little hair gets in there and dust and dirt is attracted to the oily hair, it happens on any air moving device (it happens on all the return duct louver covers.)
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Post# 33677-10/16/2003-22:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: Actually they no longer put porceline OUTER tubs in their washers, however they haven't sunk low enough to put a plastic inner tub (basket) in. As for parts, I wouldn't think it would be too difficult. The main components remained basically the same in all BD washers from 1960 on, in the 50s there were some slight variations, but still pretty much the same I think...
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Post# 33678-10/16/2003-22:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid)
MESSAGE: Agreed, belt drives are better than direct drives. More fun to watch and generally more sturdy. BTW KA's have the exact same components inside as whirlpool/kenmore machines (they have plastic outer tub too) But they have a pump with a back flow flap and have more insulation.
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Post# 33679-10/16/2003-22:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid)
MESSAGE: Added few words, higher end kenmores and whirlpools have 3 speeds too, we have one of 'em.
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Post# 33680-10/16/2003-22:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid)
MESSAGE: The extra insulation-thats bad if you are a washer fan that likes to listen to the sounds of the washer while it is going.
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Post# 33681-10/16/2003-22:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (1952 Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: A couple of questions about all this.
1. Where does one get the spin bearing replacement tool and what is the "official" name of it? I couldn't get Sears or an independent to repalce them for me, had to just hope they were still good in my '78 KM. It just broke a belt AGAIN, seems to be the number 1 failure in it. I suspect it's because the main drive pully is bent, it "wobbles" as it turns, like it's bent, but how the hell could it get bent? I think this puts undue wear on the sides of the belt.
2. How does one "restore" the pumps, gearcase, and basket drive, when it seems like they are only serviced as assemblies?
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Post# 33682-10/16/2003-23:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: I was on the lookout for the fifty's whirlpools too-Anyone have any model numbers to clue you as to wether its a fifty's machine? This would be helpful while you are hunting graveyards or if the used washer places call me.I saw the 1952 model on unimatics link.This certainly gives you an idea what they look like.What did later model fifty's whirlpool-kenmores like? Why I ask is I haden't seen many 50's whirlpool kenmores-I vaguely remember Norge and GE washers in the AFB housing we lived in at that time.I was also on the lookout for one of those Norges-the burp up lint filter splashes from the agitator.
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Post# 33683-10/16/2003-23:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag refrigerator plant
MESSAGE: See what you mean-the oily hair sure could be a problem-the dust attrracted by the oil makes it worse.The hair then acts as an air filter of sorts. Also dust in the kichen gets oily from cooking.
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Post# 33684-10/16/2003-23:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: Sorry to reply to my own post-but another question for the vintage kenmore-whirlpool experts--Were the early 1950's whirlpools solid tub or perforated tub machines?? This could serve as another good means of indentification.
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Post# 33685-10/16/2003-23:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: What's a "pop-up" lid?
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Post# 33686-10/17/2003-06:45 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: I mean to say there is no handle on the lid of the 52 machine
and on the imperial models of that era, though looking at
the whirlpool literature in gansky's photos of the model years
56 and 57. It looks as though they reserved the feature for their higher end models.
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Post# 33687-10/17/2003-07:05 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: The lids on certain whirlpool models of the 50's would raise
automatically at the end of the cycle would'nt they?
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Post# 33688-10/17/2003-07:56 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: Whirlpools were always perforated tub machines.
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Post# 33689-10/17/2003-08:03 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid) (whirlpool washers........(kitchenaid))
MESSAGE: I've checked on kitchenaid's website and now the machines also have a porcelain cabinet.
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Post# 33690-10/17/2003-09:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid)
MESSAGE: 1957 or so
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Post# 33691-10/17/2003-09:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: On early Whirlpool automatics the lid is spring loaded, so in order to open the lid you need to push the button on the front of the machine. The latch mechansim has a solenoid attached that opens the lid automatically as near the end of the cycle. Actually it does it during the last 60 second increment of the final spin. Talk about a law suit if they designed a machine for the lid to open up by itself today during the last minute of spin!
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Post# 33692-10/17/2003-09:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (helpful pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, these link might even be more helpful...
'57 Lady Kenmore Restoration
'57 Lady Action Shots
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Post# 33693-10/17/2003-11:47 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool - Perforated Tubs
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I have wondered about this before, and was wondering if someone knew....
Did Whirlpool have a patient on the Preforated Tubs at one point? Was wondering if that was the reason that every other brand was a solid tub.
Does anyone know?
Brent
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Post# 33694-10/17/2003-14:11 ||| spiralator60 (Los Angeles, California)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for help (Additional Information)
MESSAGE: Hi Johnny,
In addition to Tolivac's suggestion to contact CBS, you might also contact the Museum of Television and Radio (www.mtr.org). This institution is a private organization which has locations in New York and Los Angeles. Both locations are similar to each other in the material that is held, and this includes audio and visual material dating back to the early days of broadcasting in each medium.
It may take some digging to find what you are looking for, but it sounds like you have enough to start in the right direction. In addition to the production company and the named featured products, it would also help the searcher to provide the name of the particular program or programs that the commercial appeared on, as well as the approximate dates of broadcast.
Darryl
LINK: http://www.mtr.org
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Post# 33695-10/17/2003-14:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Tuquoise Maytags in CA
MESSAGE: Not the set I had, but still beautiful - early 60's
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3247395122&category=1400&rd=1
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Post# 33696-10/17/2003-16:03 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for help (Additional Information)
MESSAGE: Hi,
The museum of TV/Radio is a great suggestion. A friend of mine found several car commercials "by accident" this way. He asked to view some one hour TV specials in the late 50's and the major sponsors spots were still in the footage (Edsel, GM).
Happy hunting.
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Post# 33697-10/17/2003-16:09 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: I can hear the commotion now: Where is the washing machine key?
BTW, exactly how much is 115 Guineas?
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Post# 33698-10/17/2003-17:11 ||| filterflo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (lbcarguy.........guineas?)
MESSAGE: Hey lbcarguy, how many guineas does it take to replace a missing trailer shower head?
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Post# 33699-10/17/2003-17:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(kitchenaid)
MESSAGE: For sure:-)
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Post# 33700-10/17/2003-17:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: I am totally guessing here so it probably doesn't help much, but I think whirlpool/kenmore washers have always been neutral drain, perforated basket washers (except the early direct Ds.) The very early ones did have an interesting drain pump though, instead of the cam bar moving a flap inside the pump, it moved the WHOLE pump to contact to belt and move it away, I would LOVE to see one of them:-)
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Post# 33701-10/17/2003-17:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: People would also probably "store" stuff on top, like laundry baskets full of clothes, bottle etc. The solenoid would probably burn out pretty quick if someone did that. Did the solenoid have to be energized the whole time the lid was open? Or did it only have to turn on for a few seconds to open the lid?
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Post# 33702-10/17/2003-22:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: questions for Robert RE: Whirlpool rebuild
MESSAGE: 1)when cutting gaskets do you use a box cutter ?? what about to cut the screw holes ??
2) When replacing the tranny, as I am having professionally done, should he replace the upper and lower spin bearings as well ?? should he replace the basket drive and / or spin tube ?? "I actually spoke with him today and he said he would look at all of the above and replace if necessary" .......
"My tranny had the exact same problem as yours Robert as far as the horrible grinding sound when agitation would suddenly stop with a full heavy load, he is going to save the old tranny for me to rebuild, it will be good for me to practice on."
3) Where did you get the HWC washes, with all cold rinses ??? to replace the Hot, Med, Warm, because I want to do that on my ' 56 ...
I bought a multi-meter, have no clue how to use it , it has instructions but not in laymans terms ...................... frustrating ................
thanks, -gregm
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Post# 33703-10/17/2003-22:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: new timer for ' 56 Whirlpool Washer
MESSAGE: Well I finally got the correct timer replacement for my '56 WP washer (2nd time) ........ this one is an exact replica of the old one and all the terminals are in the correct spot unlike the first replacement MTS sent. But so far they seem to be doing right by me. HOWEVER, .....ok..... I don't know what terminology to use here but, I am missing two parts to put the knob back on to the timer, there is another shaft that the control knob goes over and that knob is tightened by an allen screw in the side of the knob, well again that larger shaft with the knob on it slides over the shaft sticking out of the timer and is held on with a pin that slides in, does anyone understand me in explaining this ?? Well I need the shaft and the pin ..... I sent the whole thing to MTS and they never sent these parts back to me, so now I am possibly s**t out of luck here, I think. Unless I find that piece and the pin that holds it on to the timer.
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Post# 33704-10/17/2003-22:22 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool's parent company
MESSAGE: a little trivia...is upton/1900co. still the parent company of whirlpool corp today,or are they owned by someone else?
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Post# 33705-10/18/2003-01:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: dishwashers, yes, clothes washers, no, though I may be wrong.
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Post# 33706-10/18/2003-02:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (helpful pics)
MESSAGE: Wow, that was a great sequence of shots!
Curious about a couple of things.
With those controls, was it possible to set a cold wash and a warm rinse?
Where were all those individual parts obtained? When I went through most of that procedure with my '78 LK, parts like the spin tube and agitator shaft weren't available separately, I had to purchase the entire basket drive and gearcase as assemblies. Also, the repair manual said that only a serviceman could replace the centerpost bearings and didn't even mention the numbers of the special tools that were needed or show a procedure how to replace them.
That's the first time I've seen a temp selection of Hot, Medium, Warm, Cool AND Cold, that's really neat, better than the later machines.
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Post# 33707-10/18/2003-02:20 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool's parent company
MESSAGE: Whirlpool is the parent company. Whirlpool started out as the Upton Machine Co.(1911) and later merged with the Nineteen Hundred Washer Co.(1929) and became the Nineteen Hundred Corp. The "Whirlpool" brand name first came up with the introduction of their automatic washer in 1948. By the 1950's, they were known as Whirlpool Corp.
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Post# 33708-10/18/2003-02:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (1952 Whirlpool water valve conversion)
MESSAGE: Since the original water valve was a 3 solenoid valve, how could it be replaced by a 2 solenoid valve in order to get cold water in the rinse cycle? The timer bypasses the water temp switch during the rinse fill and activates both the hot and cold solenoids to get warm fill. How would you get only the cold valve to activate during the rinse fill? And do you just tape off the wires for the 3rd solenoid?
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Post# 33709-10/18/2003-02:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (WP/KM moving pump)
MESSAGE: I know WP used the moving pump system til at least 1955, I think they had to abandon that system when they went to a filtering system, which required the pump to run all the time. My '55 KM had the "moving pump" system. It had been left behind in the house I moved into in 1971, I repaired it and used it for several years until replaced by a '63 LK, which was then replaced by a brand new '78 LK I'm still using now (though it's been crotchety for sometime now and keeps breaking things fairly often, it's down now with a broken belt AGAIN. It's to the point I'm going to keep a spare belt around at all times.)
The '55 went on for several more years (paired with a '52 Bendix gas dryer)at a friend's house.
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Post# 33710-10/18/2003-02:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool's parent company (Whirlpool Corp. ownership)
MESSAGE: I don't believe Whirlpool is owned by anybody today> I think Upton/1900 Co. was just the old name.
Am I right everybody?
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Post# 33711-10/18/2003-06:52 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool's parent company
MESSAGE: You're right. Here's a link about the evolution of what eventually became known as the Whirlpool Corporation: http://www.whirlpoolcorp.com/about/history/1950s.asp
LINK: http://www.whirlpoolcorp.com/about/history/1950s.asp
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Post# 33712-10/18/2003-08:30 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool's parent company
MESSAGE: thank you guys for the info.
Lord Bless
Pat
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Post# 33713-10/18/2003-08:35 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: wonderful find from gregm
MESSAGE: just this week i got a firgidaire dryer dcd65 from gregm and i just love it now i have a match set of 65s cant thank greg enough for letting go of this baby so i could enjoy it thanks so much and all the best to gregm always christfr
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Post# 33714-10/18/2003-08:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: urwlcm
MESSAGE: Your very welcome Chris :)
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Post# 33715-10/18/2003-08:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool's parent company (COOL!!!!)
MESSAGE: very interesting ......
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Post# 33716-10/18/2003-09:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: questions for Robert Whirlpool rebuild (Some answers)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, let's see...
when cutting gaskets do you use a box cutter
?? what about to cut the screw holes ??
No I use an exacto-knife for cutting of cork
gaskets and a hole punch tool for making the screw holes. You can get a
hole punch tool at Home Depot or Ace Hardware.
When replacing the tranny, as I am having
professionally done, should he replace the upper and lower spin bearings as well
?? should he replace the basket drive and / or spin tube ?? "I actually
spoke with him today and he said he would look at all of the above and replace
if necessary" .......
"My tranny had the exact same problem as yours Robert as far as the
horrible grinding sound when agitation would suddenly stop with a full heavy
load, he is going to save the old tranny for me to rebuild, it will be good for
me to practice on."
I replaced the spin tube on both the '52 Whirlpool and '57
Lady Kenmore because the agitator bearing is located inside the spin tube and
the only way to replace it is to replace the spin tube. I had the new
parts already and its always fun to replace as much as possible during a
restoration (as long as you use the correct, original parts) to make the machine
run like its brand new again. I will warn you though that you probably
want to do this stuff yourself and not trust it to a
"professional". In many cases a professional will not take the
time to do it right and might take some shortcuts that we as
"restorers" would never do.
Where did you get the HWC washes, with all cold rinses ??? to replace the
Hot, Med, Warm, because I want to do that on my ' 56 ...
All water valves today are made for HWC so any
run-of-the-mill water valve will convert an old hot-med-warm washer to a
hot-warm-cold washer. Back in the 40's and 50's a lot water valves had two
solenoids just like they do today, one for hot water and one for warm
water. Today we also have two solenoids on the valves but one is for hot
water and one is for cold water. So in the 50's to make the medium temp,
they simply energized the hot and warm solenoid.
I bought a multi-meter, have no clue how to use it , it has instructions
but not in laymans terms ...................... frustrating ................
Search the web for 'how to use a multimeter', I found lots of interesting sites
that might help.
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Post# 33717-10/18/2003-09:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt, no the solenoid didn't push the lid up, it only pulled its plunger away from the catch/latch so there is no chance of it burning out. It only was energized during the last minute of spin. To open the lid manually there was a button to release the latch mechanically, it didn't use the solenoid.
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Post# 33718-10/18/2003-15:48 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (WP/KM moving pump)
MESSAGE: I would love to watch that happen. Have you thought maybe the transmission pulley was bent? I heard someone here just mention theirs was. Ours was slightly when I watched it turn (not enough to wear out belts) It sounds like it was a common problem, maybe yours is bad enough to wear out belts.
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Post# 33719-10/18/2003-15:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid) (Pop-up lid)
MESSAGE: I see, neat...
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Post# 33720-10/18/2003-16:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Philco washers
MESSAGE: Does anybody here have an operational "Blades of Water" type Philco washer? Does it work as well as Philco claimed? What does the agitator look like?
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Post# 33721-10/18/2003-19:32 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers
MESSAGE: Got to this link in the members for unimatic1140, it
has lots of photos.
http://photos.yahoo.com/philcobendix
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Post# 33722-10/18/2003-20:54 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool's parent company (RCA)
MESSAGE: Funny, the site does not mention the association with RCA in the 1950s and '60s. I wonder if it has anything to do with Thomson's (or GE's) ownership of the RCA brand nowadays.
Was the RCA co-branding a distribution deal, or a way for Whirlpool to benefit from the well-known RCA brand?
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Post# 33723-10/18/2003-21:40 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports didn't think very much Philco's blade of water machines, which probably accounts for their very small market share. (At least here in New Jersey.) (Consumer's didn't like Philco dryers either, but I digress.) I always thought was a shame, because, IMHO, Philco made some of the most innovative and handsome machines I've even seen. (The blades of water action actually sounds like a very early form of the Calypso wash action currently being sold by both Whirlpool and Kenmore.)
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Post# 33724-10/18/2003-22:27 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: first toploaders
MESSAGE: Which manufacturer was the first to introduce the automatic toploader? whirlpool or ge?
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Post# 33725-10/18/2003-22:59 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loader Automatic)
MESSAGE: I believe that Blackstone introduced the first top loading automatic.
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Post# 33726-10/19/2003-01:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: "Let Mechanical Mandy do your washing automatically & save you money every week."
The 1940-41 Blackstone Top Loading washer - an amazing acheivement for it's early days before the war.
*This pamphlet contains an example of the mid-1900's exploitation of racial stereotypes in advertising so please don't take offense, just enjoy the washer!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Blackstone.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 33727-10/19/2003-03:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Now, does anybody actually HAVE one of those machines?
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Post# 33728-10/19/2003-05:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers
MESSAGE: Actually CR rated the Philco Automagic very highly particularly in washing ability when it was introduced in 1959. Into the early 60's they were ranked well though not the top of the heap. As we got into the mid to late 1960's, they did drop considerably and below average washing ability, wter extraction and reliability were noted. I agree with you that this was too bad - they did make some of the most innovative and best looking machines. The dryers were never well rated however, but they always had the porthole window in the door!!.
Philco always had a small market share - probably had a lot to do with their overall size relative to the giants - Whirlpool, GE, Maytag. Even in a late 1960's CR repair survey where they actually told you how many responses they had by brand - you had Sears with 40,000 or so, GE with 25,000, then you had Philco with 1500, Norge with 4,000, etc....
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Post# 33729-10/19/2003-07:08 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: questions for Robert Whirlpool rebuild (THANKS and ONE more .....)
MESSAGE: THanks alot Robert !! I have one more ........ my 1961 WD-61 Frigidaire Washer, do you remember my asking a couple months ago about the "rapid agitation" and it keeps popping out the reset button, you said if I remember correctly, that the "drive-pulley" clutch ??? is stuck in spin ??? and that you would have to dig through your books, but you were moving a the time I asked. - thanks again
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Post# 33730-10/19/2003-07:08 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT: 60's selfclean P7 oven
MESSAGE: How does one get the top off of this to get access to the latch assembly- it is a freestanding range- pretty color of yellow! It ran on clean cycle for three hours last night, and made the place smell all burnt-
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Post# 33731-10/19/2003-07:12 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Dates again please ??? (grin)
MESSAGE: If anyone by chance knows the date of a Maytag portable DW model WC401 ?? I know its from the seventies, I picked it up yesterday, it was pretty filthy, cleaned and test ran OK, but I think I will need to replace the "pump assembly" < (terminology) and belt, to bring it back "up to speed", not a fancy looking machine persay, but this is exactly like what my brother had at his house years ago and it worked great and did a heck of a job. I am glad to add it to my collection.
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Post# 33732-10/19/2003-07:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: Maytag DW, how ??? .........
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how long belt drive dishwashers were in production and were Maytag the only manufacturers to do so ??
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Post# 33733-10/19/2003-07:14 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964 (The only difference )
MESSAGE: Need a responce on this guys
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Post# 33734-10/19/2003-11:02 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964 (The only difference )
MESSAGE: Hi HMBUK,
I am not sure what you are asking in the later part of this post.
The 1501 has a seperate dial of selecting the water temperature, and another dial for the wash time, spin and rinse cycles.
The temperature is selected at the begining of the wash, then the washer fills with part cold and part hot for most of the temperatures, except V.hot, which it only takes in hot water, once the washer is filled it then, raise's the temperature by introducing the heating element. The heater will also kick in throughout the wash if the temperature drops below the selected temp.
Regards
Keith
P.S: I have scan a bit of the wash process from the instruction manual, into the Hotpoint folder.
LINK: http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/shaunandkeith
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Post# 33735-10/19/2003-11:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag DW, how ??? .........
MESSAGE: Greg, they ceased production in 1990, early 1991 at the olatest, when I got my first "unreversed" rack brochure. To my knowledge, noone else had a belt-drive DW. Maytag was very nique with this.
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Post# 33736-10/19/2003-11:42 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT: RE: Hotpoint 1501..Top Loader 1964 (The only difference )
MESSAGE: Thanks for that info Keith ;-) hbmuk
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Post# 33737-10/19/2003-14:59 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag DW, how ??? ......... (Maytag Belt-Drive Dishwasher's:)
MESSAGE: Hey! gregm, I believe that a local Distributor of Maytag's had told me when Belt-Drives were being sold, that Maytag did Manufacture some Jenn-Air Belt-Drive Dishwasher's at that approx. time, when they started their taking over some of these other Brand's that they have added to their Family of Appliances.
Peace, Steve
Sacto Teddy Bear...
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Post# 33738-10/19/2003-16:00 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: Mystery Brand
MESSAGE: Anyone know the brand of this washer and dryer? Year? Kind of agitator?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2354299893&category=20714
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Post# 33739-10/19/2003-16:24 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Brand
MESSAGE: It looks to be a fedders made norge or montgomery ward pair.
We had a norge set by fedders in the mid seventies and this looks like the same design. It has the burp-up white agitator.
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Post# 33740-10/19/2003-16:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Brand
MESSAGE: Just a guess here, but it could be either a 70's Norge (by Fedders) or a Montgomery Wards (Norge built) set. and the dryer probably has the standing pilot light instead of automatic ignition.....
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Post# 33741-10/19/2003-16:46 ||| gadgetmad (Birmingham, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Brand
MESSAGE: Monkey Wards gets my vote too. Either that or Western Auto Wizards
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Post# 33742-10/19/2003-17:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag DW, how ??? ......... (Maytag Belt-Drive Dishwasher's:)
MESSAGE: Thanks Steve and Bob for your comments, I ran the Maytag again today, but ALAS she spilled some water, not alot, but it does leak and I will have to take apart, It needs a new belt and pump anyways ...............
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Post# 33743-10/19/2003-18:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: ' 65 KA KDS-15 works fine
MESSAGE: well i rigged up the built in Kitchen Aid Varicycle Superba and gave it a first time test run, ALL WENT PERFECTLY !!, thought I would share the good news for those who care, hahaha, after all, we are all so use to trying to fix stuff its not to often you find a vintage appliance and it works fine ............
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Post# 33744-10/19/2003-18:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dates again please ??? (grin)
MESSAGE: Not sure of the year but a new belt may be all it needs? If the pump is quiet enough and doesn't leak, it is probably fine:-)
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Post# 33745-10/19/2003-18:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag DW, how ??? .........
MESSAGE: I think Maytag was the only belt drive dishwasher out there. Ours is a 1988 model, belt drive. I think they switched to the direct drive design only a couple years later.
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Post# 33746-10/19/2003-18:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag DW, how ??? ......... (Maytag Belt-Drive Dishwasher's:)
MESSAGE: Oops, i guess it does need a new pump, oh well, at least you will get some new parts in there and it would be fun to take it apart:-)
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Post# 33747-10/19/2003-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Looking for help (Additional Information)
MESSAGE: I found a website that deals with vintage films(8MM,16MM,35MM)
They might be able to help as well.Sometimes old TV commercials and TV programs end up on these sites. Something to try.
Phil's Vintage films and collectables.There are other film collectors sites as well.You may able to email the above site.also you can run into old commercials recorded on DVD and VHS at the various video stores. I bought a collection of these from Best Buy-The collection had the demenstration of the Westinghouse washers ability to flush away sand compared to other washers. There might be other add collections out there.If you can find your ad on one of these,you don't have to worry about a projector. Also the cost of buying it is less expensive.The SRVAA videos has some vintage ads too-that will play back over your computer.
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Post# 33748-10/19/2003-19:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers....(pop up lid)
MESSAGE: I can vaguely remember the Speed Queen laundramat washers in the early 70's had the locking lid when the machine was in spin mode. The lid did not lock if the machine was in fill or wash cycles.These were in the apartment house laundramat. Sometimes the latch mechanism would not release the lid when the washer was done-You had to gently pry the lid loose with a crewdriver. I remembered the machines that did this and defeated the interlock.The machine ran-and you could see the overflow rinse and spin. By about the late 70's these were replaced with whirlpools. The lids didn't lock on these. I think the locking mechanisms on the speed queens were giving the laundry service that provided the machines too much trouble. Some were dented and chewed up from people having to pry the lids open to get their clothes when the washer was finished.
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Post# 33749-10/19/2003-20:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: ' 65 KA KDS-15 works fine
MESSAGE: Greg, that's kinda true lol. But it's incredible when you have a victory such as this. Makes all the tears, scrapped knuckles, sweat, cuss words, and whatever else happens worth it.!!
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Post# 33750-10/19/2003-20:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's
MESSAGE: This I would like to see also-On unimatics link for the Kenmore machine he was showing being restored-I beleive the suds saver pump was operated somewhat this way-but a soleniod operated lever moved an idler pully into the drive belt to engage the suds saver pump.The machine he showed had two pumps.Very interesting.I too would like to see the soleniod lever systems that moves the whole pump in or out of the belt to engage or disengage it. Reminds me of the capstan drive motor that was on a soleniod lever to engage or disengage tape machine capstan drive when the tape machine was not threaded up with tape. Ampex machines.The capstan motor had a friction "pulley" that ran against the rubber tire of the capstan flywheel.Have repaired lots of these machines.Even have one that still works this Ampex design was built from 1948-1960.Some recording studios still use them!!A custom deck of this design was built for Les Paul-8 track-still in use!!
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Post# 33751-10/19/2003-21:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: ' 65 KA KDS-15 works fine
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Not really surprised that the machine works fine. That sure says a lot about the old Hobart quality. Is the machine much different than the one we found at Myra's when we were at Jimmy's? I know that you are going to have fun with it. Is this a dishwasher that you plan to use often?
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Post# 33752-10/19/2003-22:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Brand
MESSAGE: OOOOoohh.. WIZARD. I haven't seen one of those in about 20+ years. I think the Wizards were Franklin machines?
Email the seller, they might give away the secret.
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Post# 33753-10/20/2003-06:12 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers ((10/20 POD))
MESSAGE: Good points! I too loved the look of those port hole dryers!
The right hinged lid, the unusual looking agitator and that smooth timer dial (which Consumer Reports aways complained as being "slippery to grasp with wet hands") say that the machine in today's (10/20) POD is a Philco. That's kind of interesting. I've seen Philco machines featured in the occasional Tide ad, but I can't recall ever seeing it used anonymously in an ad where the laundry product (and just the laundry product) was the star.
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Post# 33754-10/20/2003-06:45 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Mystery Brand (mystery brand)
MESSAGE: NORGE
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Post# 33755-10/20/2003-06:45 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers ((10/20 POD))
MESSAGE: Does anyone know when ford philco produced their last washer?
Did'nt they go to the mid-seventies?
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Post# 33756-10/20/2003-08:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dates again please ??? (grin)
MESSAGE: thanks Kurt, unfortunately it is a bit noisy, and the pump does leak .......... so I will replace along with the belt ...
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Post# 33757-10/20/2003-08:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag DW, how ??? ......... (Maytag Belt-Drive Dishwasher's:)
MESSAGE: exactly :-)
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Post# 33758-10/20/2003-08:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: ' 65 KA KDS-15 works fine (older)
MESSAGE: I may keep it rigged up as a portable, until I can actually install it, its older than the one we found at Jimmy's, actually quite a bit older, it has the timer down on the lower right kick panel, it was the first model with the four way hydrosweep ......... its a Superba - varicycle, it pauses on the sani cycle in the final rinse and you can actually hear the hiss of the water heating to 180 degrees ...... :)
It needs new racks pretty bad, still functional, but I need to search for new ones from that era or for that model ........
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Post# 33759-10/20/2003-09:03 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Dates again please ??? (grin) (belt drive dw)
MESSAGE: Greg, Maytag made belt drive dishwashers from 1975 to 1988, I have lit for the WC401 from 1975. Also,Ill keep an eye out for KA racks for your Superba..... SteveD
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Post# 33760-10/20/2003-12:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers
MESSAGE: There were 5 or 6 of these at the Aberdeen farm. Too bad that they were exposed to the elements of nature for so long.
-ph
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Post# 33761-10/20/2003-13:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers
MESSAGE: But that didn't stop us from bringing them home!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/lst?.dir=/June+2002+SD+Farm+Trip&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/
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Post# 33762-10/20/2003-13:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Jon Charles in Boston has a later model Blackstone and the D.C. contingent also has a later model (early 50's) in the museum. As far as I know, this first Blackstone is as elusive as the Westinghouse and Maytag combos... Robert (Uni) has a few parts from this first washer, the timer was completely mechanical, run by the transmission gearing (like the James dishwasher) which was continued in later models after the war.
Since this was a 1940-41 model, I doubt that very many were put into use prior to the start of WWII.
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Post# 33763-10/20/2003-14:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco washers
MESSAGE: Almost makes me want to go back... Almost...
-ph
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Post# 33764-10/20/2003-16:28 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Was blackstone the the only manufacturer to put out a top loader this early? I read in the whirlpool site that they were the first to pioneer this style of washer. Did the early blackstone rate well?
Thanks
Pat
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Post# 33765-10/20/2003-16:37 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Dates again please ??? (grin) (belt drive dw - lit)
MESSAGE: Steve, thanks ........ would love to see the lit for the WC401 whenever you get a chance ...........
best regards,-gregm
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Post# 33766-10/20/2003-16:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool kind of stretched the truth. They had the first perforated basket independent of the outer tub/water container, but they weren't the first automatic. Most manufacturers stretch the truth. There is a European website out there that says Philco is the best known appliance brand worldwide...
-ph
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Post# 33767-10/20/2003-17:15 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: thank you peter.I hope someone in the club finds one of these
very rare machines.
Pat
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Post# 33768-10/20/2003-17:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Dates again please ??? (grin) (belt drive dw)
MESSAGE: It looks like we got one of the last BD maytags then. We got it middle of '88. Or, like Canadian belt drive kenmores/whirlpools, maybe they made them for a few years after they stopped production in the US?
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Post# 33769-10/20/2003-17:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: whirlpool literature for 56 and 57 models
MESSAGE: Hello Greg, I was wondering how you were able to get a hold of the whirlpool model year literature.Does WP still have this information available and would i be able to get a hold of some literature on the models of the 50's?
Thank you Greg
Lord Bless
Pat
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Post# 33770-10/20/2003-17:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Adding on to your post, what do you think is the most widley known washer brand out there? Where when you say to someone "think of a washer" they think of this brand/style. I would have to say maytag or whirlpool for sure (maytag probably takes 1st prize though) This is most likely different in other parts of the world though. However, regarding vacuums, everyone knows "Hoovers" are the most widely known company:-)
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Post# 33771-10/20/2003-17:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: When I said whirlpool, kenmore is also part of that:-)
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Post# 33772-10/20/2003-17:45 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Maytags I think by many people were regarded as the"cadillacs"
of laundry appliances:)
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Post# 33773-10/20/2003-20:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Oh ya, and in some people's minds, they still are. I always thought the higher prices of Maytags was weird, they were probably the simplest washer back in 60s and 70s. With other washers having recirculation, big lint filters, weird agitator designs, gazzilions of little toys and features, you would think Maytags would have been dime a dozen, but the extremely solid construction must have drove up the price, plus they were/are able to sell the name, whenever someone heres/says "maytag washer" at least I think, "It is good" based on the maytag name. Their wringer washers definitely were a huge part in making Maytag famous, then their 40 year old automatic washer design replaced the wringers very well.
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Post# 33774-10/20/2003-21:10 ||| westinghousemtl (Montreal)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse frost free
MESSAGE: I have a Westinghouse Frost Free Model H74398 still working in the basement. I'd like to know more about it; age and approximate value, repair manuals, etc.
Who would know the answer or where do I look?
Thanks
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Post# 33775-10/20/2003-23:08 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Maytag Madness!!
MESSAGE: I don't know why but Maytags seem to be coming to me lately. Am just about done restoring an A806S with suds saver option. That has been a fun learning experience for me. Than, about a month ago my friend moved into a home that had been lived in for 53 years by the same person, so there was an early sixties Maytag he wanted me to have. Haven't picked up that one yet. Today I picked up a model #142, I believe from the mid to late 50's-anyone know?? It is beautiful with the dial light and panel light. Black knobs instead of gray. It really is in great shape. I should find a new tub for it as it is pretty worn. Are the smaller tubs standard, so I could just switch them out? The tub leaks in about three spots-is this a tub seal problem??? Haven't done that job yet, thus another learning opp! Also, the dial light worked, but the florescant one is not working. Could the red and black buttons on the switch be bad and need to be replaced? The tub light wasn't working, but I believe the lid switch is shot, and i think they are connected. When I would open the lid during spin, the timer button would pop, and the tub would stop. I would leave the lid open, pull the timer knob, and it would spin, (lid open) so the switch must be bad or it wouldn't spin, and thus the reason why the tub light is not going on. Am I correct? The popping of the timer knob is cute-it is supposed to do that right? Sorry to be so long winded, but I have many ?'s. Any of you who have answers, please share your great wealth of Maytag info!!
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Post# 33776-10/20/2003-23:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Madness!!
MESSAGE: I think that is the Maytag's way of shutting off the washer with the lid open. We have become smarter:-) Ahhhh, if we pull the knob AFTER the lid is opened, the tub will spin. I think the lid switch is fine. I assume you replaced the bulb and looked at the socket and wiring? As for the leaking, one is probably the stem seal, another could be the suspension bar tub support. Another could be a hose, if it leaks on fill that would be the injector. I am no expert but this is what I have learned from a few online appliance repairmen.
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Post# 33777-10/20/2003-23:14 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Madness!!
MESSAGE: BTW I know later maytags (probably starting late 60s) had the electrical micro-switch lid switch. This timer knob switch sounds early.
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Post# 33778-10/21/2003-02:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: POD Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Now that is a cool washer! You can set the speed as you tune a radio. Much like the spinspeed on my Philips toploader. But I guess this is not only for the spinspeed but also for the wash? Was there a special motor in this machine to handle this?
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Post# 33779-10/21/2003-08:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Madness!!
MESSAGE: Congrats on your find - you had said in our phone conversation that it could be a '59, in my 1960 parts book this is the last model listed so it must be from around that timeframe. The floro light in the panel is probably in need of a new ballast, you should be able to get one at any electrical supply store (looks similar to a solenoid inside the panel.) You could have a bad contact in the lid switch so the tub light won't work, did you check the wiring from the light socket to the switch? If the wiring checks out OK from the socket to the switch and from the switch to the timer (power supply) it's probably the switch.
As far as the leaking goes, there could be any number of places it's leaking from, did you pull the front panel off and look to see if you can tell? If you are going to tear this down to install a new basket, you can replace all the seals but you might have a rusted outer tub. You'll know when you see where the water comes from if it's around the support rods or clamping band toward the top of the tub cover. The problem with the Maytag machines with the tub light is that people didn't leave the lid open for the machine to dry out after using it so it kept all that moisture trapped inside the cabinet and combined with a damp basement, parts would start to rust and corrode over time...
Good luck - I can't wait to see all the finds you've had!
Greg
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Post# 33780-10/21/2003-08:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint
MESSAGE: The variable speed machines usually used a tachometer on the motor to measure the wash & spin speed combined with an electronic clutch that used resistance to slow the speed down when selected. I have the repair manual for this machine somewhere, the problem most all of the brands that tried this was that they were never very reliable and thus didn't last long on the market. Frigidaire had this same feature beginning in '67, it was frought with trouble from the beginning and then dropped in '69 with the change to the 1-18 style machines for 1970. (The 68 "Cabinet Washer" with the controls up high and storage cabinet in between was a variable speed machine.)
Today, the electronic motor control board is much more reliable measuring either with a tach or electric current draw (load) to determine & regulate the speed of the motor. Technology caught up with the idea now!
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Post# 33781-10/21/2003-08:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Glad to know there was another variable speed washer on the market other than the Frigidaire.
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Post# 33782-10/21/2003-10:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag Madness!! (Model 142)
MESSAGE: Hey Don, congats on you find! The Maytag model 142 was made for a couple of years. They first produced in in 1958 when they completely discontinued the AMP line. The 1958 version had the double lid with the mercury switch. Then in '59 they came out with the single lid and models and a mechanical safety switch to pop the timer knob in to stop the washer. I believe you could always override the lid switch by pulling the timer knob out with the lid all the way open. I don't believe the tub light is connected to the lid switch, but to the timer contacts, it should come on whenever the timer is pulled knob is pulled out.
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Post# 33783-10/21/2003-12:01 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (lbcarguy.........guineas?)
MESSAGE: One crazy man on a routine souvenier hunt.
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Post# 33784-10/21/2003-12:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool literature for 56 and 57 models
MESSAGE: Hi Pat-
Those scans were from a Whirlpool service book, there weren't very many pics of the models for each year - my book starts with the 56 line. By the early 60's, I have only scattered lit & info for WP, they stopped using pics of the models and just used a feature chart.
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Post# 33785-10/21/2003-12:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint
MESSAGE: Hotpoint made this machine for Easy too.
Kenmore had a variable speed Lady, someone may know what year - I'd have to dig to find the owner's manual for it. There were others as well, GE might have had one too in the late 60's??
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Post# 33786-10/21/2003-12:44 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (Gansky1)
MESSAGE: I just checked out that "Variable Speed" Hotpoint that was featured in today's POD. This one maybe the coolest "variable speed" one of all. You can actually in the speed that you want just like you would tune a radio. How cool is that??? I am going to assume that the different looking control knobs that are located in the center of the control console were the speed controls, right???
And you are correct, there was also a variable speed Lady Kenmore during that era. That machine was introduced in 1967. It was an all dial machine (no push buttons this time around). It actually had more speed settings (again, an infinite amount of them) than the push button Lady. But in an odd sort of way, the console did match that of the push button Lady Kenmore washer and the push button dryer. And believe it or not, I think it costed more than the push button version ($274.00 for the variable speed model VS. $254.00 for the push button model) too.
I also believe GE had one then too. And probably Norge and Speed Queen had a model as well. I know Frigidaire had one. The cool looking tower washer that they had out in 1968 was a variable speed model, wasn't it???
--Charles--
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Post# 33787-10/21/2003-12:52 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: whirlpool literature for 56 and 57 models
MESSAGE: Thanks greg:-)
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Post# 33788-10/21/2003-14:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: SQ in Chicago
MESSAGE: I have a line on a later model, solid tub, reversing motor SQ washer in the Chicago area. If interested, let me know SOON and I will put you in touch with the owner.
-ph
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Post# 33789-10/21/2003-14:24 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: 1968 LK set
MESSAGE: I also just got a line on a 1968 white LK set here in the Atlanta area. I'd be willing to get the set for you, but it must be GONE from my house within 7 days. Please let me know if you are interested...
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Post# 33790-10/21/2003-14:26 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable)
MESSAGE: All GE washers could be variable speed depending on the condition of the friction clutch!
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Post# 33791-10/21/2003-14:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (Gansky1)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the date on the LK, I have the manual for it here somewhere, a very interesting looking machine. I'm surprised it was only $20 more though!
I don't know about Norge, but have never seen this feature in any Speed Queen service books. That Frigidaire in 68 was a variable speed - top of the line!
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Post# 33792-10/21/2003-15:38 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 LK set
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
I mostly read the posts and have learned alot from you guys..
Peter,
Do the 1968 LK's have the flip-down cover over the controls? I think that style started around that time..
Thanks
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Post# 33793-10/21/2003-16:15 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 LK set ("
retro_guy"
)
MESSAGE: No. If this is a 1968 LK set, then they're going to have very tall consoles on them instead (with all of the controls exposed). The flip down LK's came out in Fall 1969.
--Charles--
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Post# 33794-10/21/2003-17:20 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable)
MESSAGE: Hey all,
I beleive that GE had a variable speed washer called "versatronic" in the late 60's/early 70's. Seems like most mfgs came out with this feature on tol models, must have been new technology at the time. I have an old repair-master for norge and it also talks about a variable speed washer with a tachometer mounted to one end of the motor. Never saw one in person, I don't think they went over too well and seemed troubleprone at the time. Does anyone have a pic of the LK variable speed machine? Our neighbor had the LK 1972 model with all the buttons and pin stop device. I think that was the only time I saw a roto-flex agitator!
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Post# 33795-10/21/2003-19:32 ||| Myrlyn (Indiana)
SUBJECT: Tappan Stove
MESSAGE: I have recently purchased a Tappan stove that I would love to learn more about. I have no idea where to find the model number and any other pertinent information. It is a double oven on top with a stove top mounted on a wood cabinet. It appears that the cabinet came with the stove because the handles match those of the oven doors which seem to be genuine. The burners can be hid by sliding the cook top back leaving a cutting board surface about 6 inches wide. If anyone can help me in any way it would be much appreciated. I do not currently have a picture of this appliance but hope to have one available soon.
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Post# 33796-10/21/2003-19:35 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable - Rotoflex)
MESSAGE: I've just had a brain sprain here. Did the Kenmore people produce an agitator called Roto-Flex as well as the more familiar Roto-Swirl? I remember Penta-Swirl (I think) or was it Penta-something else? And what did GE call its Roto-Swirl wannabe agitator...was it just plain Activator?
So many agitators, so little time...
What I'd really like is a pictoral history of agitators through the ages...
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Post# 33797-10/21/2003-19:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable - Rotoflex)
MESSAGE: Yes-the Kenmore agitator is Penta-Swirl-My mothers washer has one-I can't remember when she bought the machine but it must be 20+ years old and works great. I think she had the outer tub replaced because it was corroding and starting to leak-She has a service contract thru Sears on the machine.I had a GE or Hotponit washer-It had the Roto-Swirl style agitator-I think they still called it "activator" Is GE still using this style in some of their machines?-The failed machine me anda friend disposed of had what looked like a Kenmore-Whirlpool styled dual action agitator-the one with the conventional vanes on the base-but the auger shaped top part that rotated.That Ge machine didn't last 4 years.It had an all plastic transmission and gears.
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Post# 33798-10/21/2003-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable)
MESSAGE: Yes-I have to deal with tachometer-servo type motors in tape machines. Used in that application because speed and tape tension is critical in audio or video tape machines. I would think it would be awfully expensive to put this type of system in a washer-esp at the time these variable speed machines were introduced-60's-70's.These tachometer based systems are expensive and time consuming to repair. Sometimes the motor has to be sent out for repairs-the tachometer section is not feild repairable.also the electronic systems take time to troubleshoot when something is wrong. In the broadcast enviorenments I worked in the station has spare boards in the inventory. You would then fix the bad board at leasure.
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Post# 33799-10/21/2003-20:16 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 LK set (PIX)
MESSAGE: Any pix of this set or one similar?
MRB
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Post# 33800-10/21/2003-21:39 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Stove
MESSAGE: It sounds like you have what I think is called a "Fabulous 400" which is quite a celebrated and sought-after stove. I've never seen one personally, but from what I've heard they are quite nice. Congratulations!
If you get pictures, I'd love to see them!
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Post# 33801-10/21/2003-21:48 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable - Rotoflex)
MESSAGE: Yes , there was a mustard colored agitator called roto-flex on LK's in the late 60's. Our neighbor's 1968 LK had one. It had no base, just 4 or 5 vanes on the bottom and nothing on top. The vanes supposedly flexed because there was no base to "rout out dirt and stains". Also GE's activator had the words "Super Spiral" on the base of the agitator. I also think the vari-flex followed the roto-flex in the late 60's. Early 70's brought penta-vane on bol models and penta-swirl on higher end models.they kept rotoswirl into the 70's as well. Always liked the rotoswirl on our 1964 LK. It seemed to pull the clothes down to the bottom of the tub faster. Am i rambling?
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Post# 33802-10/21/2003-21:56 ||| tehuana (washington, dc)
SUBJECT: ironrite repairperson, where are you.
MESSAGE: hello, as noted in the subject line, we have an ironrite, made in the fifties and it is not turning on, so we figure it is the motor. we would very much like to fix it, so we can use it again. we are in the dc area. where are you ironrite repairperson. thank you very much in advance. tehuana
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Post# 33803-10/21/2003-22:01 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable - Rotoflex)
MESSAGE: Yes , there was a mustard colored agitator called roto-flex on LK's in the late 60's. Our neighbor's 1968 LK had one. It had no base, just 4 or 5 vanes on the bottom and nothing on top. The vanes supposedly flexed because there was no base to "rout out dirt and stains". Also GE's activator had the words "Super Spiral" on the base of the agitator. I also think the vari-flex followed the roto-flex in the late 60's. Early 70's brought penta-vane on bol models and penta-swirl on higher end models.they kept rotoswirl into the 70's as well. Always liked the rotoswirl on our 1964 LK. It seemed to pull the clothes down to the bottom of the tub faster. Am i rambling?
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Post# 33804-10/21/2003-22:52 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable - Rotoflex)
MESSAGE: Just tonight, Sears called us and asked if we wanted a service agreement on our new washer, we didn't want it because I can take care of most things. But we did have one with our belt drive that came in handy. It was kind of pricey though so we stopped it a couple years before the outer tub started to rust and the seals gave out (the agreement wasn't really worth it since the washer was so darn reliable:-)
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Post# 33805-10/21/2003-23:04 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: ironrite repairperson, where are you. (Ironrite Help!)
MESSAGE: go to www.ironrite.com. They have parts, service manuals, covers, the whole nine yards!
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Post# 33806-10/21/2003-23:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (Gansky1)
MESSAGE: I would think they would reintroduce the variable speed feature today. With todays technology it would be much easier and less expensive. For the simple speed control on the washer no tachometer or servo circuits would be required. It could be done with a device known as the VFD(Variable Frequency Drive)This would control the frequency of the voltage fed to the AC induction motor in the washer. The control on the washers control bridge would vary the frequency to the motor-thus the speed. The more modern solid state circuitry today makes it very possible. It could also be done if the washer was equipped with a PM (permanent magnet) DC motor. The circuit would rectify incoming line voltage and the circuit would control the DC voltage to the motor. There was one supplier that could supply 12-120VDC motors for washers so it could be run off a solar battery electric system.
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Post# 33807-10/21/2003-23:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable - Rotoflex)
MESSAGE: Yes,I think a pictoral history of washer agitators would bevery useful. Esp if you are hunting for vintage washer models. That way you would know if the washer has the right one-instead of a replacement that wasn't original to that model of machine.Any agitator collectors out there?
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Post# 33808-10/22/2003-00:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Stove (Range model number locations)
MESSAGE: Try looking under the burners, that seems to be a favorite place for manufacturers to put model number plates on ranges.
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Post# 33809-10/22/2003-00:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Hotpoint (GE variable - Rotoflex)
MESSAGE: Just those I know of could display hundreds of different agitators from their collections.
Here is a pic of my garage this summer - you can see in the large version of the picture all the agitators on a shelf. That's not all of them, they are scattered everywhere through my life, including the nine t/l washers downstairs plus some on display...too many to count!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/June+2003&.dnm=my+poor+garage!.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 33810-10/22/2003-00:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Tappan Stove (Range model number locations)
MESSAGE: Right you are - the Fab 400 should have the model/serial tag under the right front burner.
I have a 30" version in storage if anyone wants it, come get it!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/New+pics&.dnm=Fab+400+in+storage+now.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 33811-10/22/2003-07:27 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 LK set
MESSAGE: No, this is before the flip down cover. It does have the Roto-Flex spankalator in it...
-ph
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Post# 33812-10/22/2003-07:35 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire agitator history
MESSAGE: I think we need a special wing in the museum for these...
-ph
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/frigidaire1140/vwp?.dir=/Misc+Frigidaire&.dnm=Frigidaire+Agitators.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 33813-10/22/2003-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire agitator history
MESSAGE: Here's the larger version of that - forgot I had it! Click on the picture to get the full-size view.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Frigidaire&.dnm=Agitators.jpg&.src=ph&.view=t&.hires=t
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Post# 33814-10/22/2003-09:49 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire agitator history (NOSTALGIA ALERT!!!)
MESSAGE: Wonderful collection! My aging eyes appreciate the larger pic. The turquoise/yellow/pink edition (60's) is the one I remember, as well I should...I spent hours and hours and hours staring at it all through my childhood, my left thumb holding down that $*@# safety switch, inhaling the fumes of Clorox and Rinso Blue (or whatever was cheap).
I know the water bills were higher during my childhood days, because God only knows how many "loads" of water I ran through that machine! It finally died when I was in high school, due to an inoperable fissure in the large gray bottom ring, and was replaced with a really boring "Skinny-mini", with tub-and-agitator molded together, like an overgrown toy.
That, my friends, is loss of innocence.
Sigh...
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Post# 33815-10/22/2003-12:41 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest
MESSAGE: Poor Activator; Going from the ultra-cool rubber-ring Frigi to a Skinny Mini must have been depressing. I grew up with a groovy 1960 Kenmore Model 80, which had the one-touch cycle buttons. I can still remember with amazing precision (for a 44 year old, anyway) the clackety-clacking sound it made setting up each cycle. I used to push the SPIN ONLY button just to hear four minutes of the other-worldly cluster of tones the empty tub made while spinning. My stepfather kept replacing parts on that machine and it was still working when I traded it for a new 1984 Whirlpool. In '86 I moved and bought a WCI-era Frigi top-loader which was possibly the worst washer ever made. Within six months the thing wouldn't spin until 3/4 of the water had drained out. And the indexing tub/unequal agitation stroke insured there was virtually no clothes rollover. However, it did have the nifty circular jet-spray fill. After that, I became a front-loader man and never looked back...
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Post# 33816-10/22/2003-14:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire agitator history (NOSTALGIA ALERT!!!)
MESSAGE: The good news is that you aren't too far away from the thrill of "Live Water Action" - there are three Frigidaires hooked up and ready to wash and another in the garage that is but a short garden hose away from the rythmic, pulsating sounds of clean laundry. If you ever are in this area, feel free to stop in for a load of wash! We might even be able to rustle up some vintage detergent for the full effect...
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Post# 33817-10/22/2003-15:16 ||| Ndgal (North Dakota)
SUBJECT: 1950's Pink Wall Hung Hotpoint Oven
MESSAGE: Would anybody be looking for an Electric 1950's Customline Hotpoint Wall hung oven? The color is pink. I do not know if is works, I have never plugged it in to see. Its in great condition though and would look great in a kitchen restore project. I have pictures if anybody is interested.
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Post# 33818-10/22/2003-16:37 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT: RE: 1968 LK set (1968 Lady Kenmore set...........)
MESSAGE: "PeterH770":
Actually, the 1968 Lady Kenmore had a Vari-Flex inside of it. The 1967 Lady Kenmore actually had the skirtless Roto-Flex.
--Charles--
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Post# 33819-10/22/2003-23:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire agitator history
MESSAGE: Yes,the pictures of the agitators are helpful-I recognized the Frigidaire agitator that would put the dating of the only Frigdaire washer I've used 1958-1962 era. The washer was in a trailer my brother lived in when we were going to college in 1971-1973. I lived in the dorm at the school I went to. I would go to my brohers house on weekends-and sometimes would wash my clothes at his house. When the frigidaire washer was agitating or spinning the whole trailer shook.He had one of those small Hoover dryers.the only real annoying trait about the washer is it badly tangled your clothes-when you picked them up out of the washer they roped together into a ring shaped mass. I had to untangle them before loading them into the dryer.Do you have a similar collection of Kenmore-Whirlpool agitators? also I was interested in seeing similar collections of Norge and Speed Queen.I was looking for Vintage Whirlpool-kenmore and Norge,Speed Queen. It seems that the agitators are one means of Identification.I also had to replace the timer in the Frigidaire washer during that time frame.
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Post# 33820-10/22/2003-23:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire agitator history
MESSAGE: Be neat to see video clips of Frigidaire washers working as well.
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Post# 33821-10/22/2003-23:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest
MESSAGE: My Whirlpool Imperial makes a wonderful rendition of the "flying saucer" sound when you make it spin with the empty tub. A Si-Fi movie foley man would love it!!
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Post# 33822-10/23/2003-00:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest
MESSAGE: Ooooo, I LOVE WP belt drive sounds. The wig wag sounds so neat (with the scrapes and clicks) the spin sounds neat (at low speed, it makes a light groan noise, at high speed it is hard to explain, not much of anything, just the click-clack click-clack of the wigwag. I like the drain sounds too, at the end when it is pulling water and air, they are so cool.
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Post# 33823-10/23/2003-01:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest
MESSAGE: The click-clack of the wig-wag is masked by the "w-oooo" of the UFO sound when the spin goes to full speed.I will have to listen more closely to see if I can hear the wig-wag.I also like the sounds of the water gurgling and air sucking as the tank drains at he end of the drain part.On some Whirlpools I have used you can hear the wig-wag-at times sounds like the reciprocating steam driven air compressor on a steam locomotive
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Post# 33824-10/23/2003-05:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (WP/KM wig wag noises and main drive pulley.)
MESSAGE: The noise of the wig was more prominent on the earlier machines. WP put plastic liners in the solenoids on the wig wags of the later machines so the noise of the plungers striking the sides of the solenoids was dampened. I can hardly hear the wig wag on my '78 LK, but the "w-ooo" sound of the spin when the machine is empty is certainly there! Don't hear that sound except when I'm doing a test run after (another) repair.
While I'm on the subject, does anybody have a spare main drive pulley I can buy? Mine is bent and it wears out the belt from wobbling. Would you believe Sears wants $85 for a new one?
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Post# 33825-10/23/2003-05:52 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I've posted a few pics of my Cory Matic-Maid Countertop dishwasher. There is also a short video clip of it running. I sure hope you folks enjoy these as much as I've enjoyed all of yours over the years. I mostly sit in the background and enjoy and finally I have something to share!
LINK: http://www.chachp.com/ebay%20auctions/cory%20auction/frameset.htm
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Post# 33826-10/23/2003-07:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (just the right frequency)
MESSAGE: I used to love to make my mom's Kenmore 800 spin empty just to hear the "ghost" sound (that's what I used to call it.
Sounds something like
"Grrrind-click-clunk-zzzzzzzzzZZZZZ... oooooOOOOOOOO!" The ooooh being the hollow sound of the air rushing through the holes in the tub.
It's cool that alot of us remember the noises.
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Post# 33827-10/23/2003-07:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (Cool)
MESSAGE: The motor looks like the top of an ice cream freezer.
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Post# 33828-10/23/2003-07:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (wow, but vid didn't work for me?)
MESSAGE: way cool, but I couldn't get any reaction when clicking on the video ?? but loved the pics ............
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Post# 33829-10/23/2003-07:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (Outstanding!)
MESSAGE: Thank you for sharing this cool appliance with us!
What an interesting way to wash dishes, how does it perform - have you tried it with a full load of dirty dishes?
Thanks again!
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Post# 33830-10/23/2003-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (wow, but vid didn't work for me?)
MESSAGE: Right click and select "save target as" you should be able to view it once it downloads.
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Post# 33831-10/23/2003-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (The Little Window)
MESSAGE: Wow I've seen that Cory Countertop Dishwasher on ebay before, but I have never seen one with a little window! That is very fun, thanks for sharing.
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Post# 33832-10/23/2003-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (WP/KM wig wag noises and main drive pulley.)
MESSAGE: I've noticed recently that prices of Whirlpool & Kenmore belt-drive parts are skyrocketing. More and more will be NLA soon, you might want to buy 'em up now if you want to keep some of these machines running for the rest of your lives.
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Post# 33833-10/23/2003-11:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (wow, but vid didn't work for me?)
MESSAGE: thanks Greg, as usual, your always there to help ..........
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Post# 33834-10/23/2003-11:10 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (WP/KM wig wag noises and main drive pulley.)
MESSAGE: I may have a trans pulley; part# 350649 crosses to 360840 if you would like me to check . you can reply here of email me if you wish. i am assuming it uses the 95405 belt. Let me know!
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Post# 33835-10/23/2003-12:42 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I have one of these but have not tried it out yet. When I got it the cord needed replaced and since I'm in the midst of a move......well............. you know...
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Post# 33836-10/23/2003-12:53 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (sound memories...)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm almost at a loss for words. It does my heart good to hear adults remembering something as ordinary as the sounds of a laundry appliance, but also remembering the vivid pictures those sounds conjured in their imaginations--however many years ago it may have been. :)
I did that, too, of course. The washer was a space ship, a jet plane, a piece of fantastic laboratory equipment with which I would, in fact, someday take over the world. Childhood was often a very solitary, lonesome place for me. The laundry room was one of the places I went to deal with the pain that sometimes came with that loneliness. I washed my blues away...
Wash on!
Activator
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Post# 33837-10/23/2003-15:04 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (Outstanding!)
MESSAGE: I haven't tried it with dishes although I've wanted to. The drain plug is frozen shut at the moment so the only way I have to drain it is pick it up and tip it over. I don't want to damage the plastic cap so I'm not sure how to get it open. It is supposed to screw on and off.
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Post# 33838-10/23/2003-15:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (Outstanding!)
MESSAGE: Try pouring a bit of boiling water over it and when it starts to turn be sure to turn it counter-clockwise then back clockwise a bit until it turns freely counter-clockwise.
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Post# 33839-10/23/2003-18:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest
MESSAGE: The spin sound does overtake the wigwag sound. The best time to hear the wigwag is after it is drained totally (after the gurgling and sucking at the end of draining) and before it has engaged into spin.
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Post# 33840-10/23/2003-18:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (WP/KM wig wag noises and main drive pulley.)
MESSAGE: The problem IS the pulley? I guessed right:-) You could probably find one on a junked belt drive (fairly common here sadly since they were built until the early 90s here.)
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Post# 33841-10/23/2003-18:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (just the right frequency)
MESSAGE: Ya, that OOOOOOO sound was loudest and coolest on the slower spin on ours. On the faster spin, it was less loud but still there.
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Post# 33842-10/23/2003-18:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest
MESSAGE: I have noticed on some whirlpools the agitator "jiggles" slightly during the pump-out cycle.And you can hear the clicking wig-wag.I am wondering if the 2 whirlpool machine I have now are equipped with the plastic lined soleniods. Have found that in the audio-visual gear I work on. No only to quiet the soleniod-but to serve as dry lubrication for the soleniod plunger.
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Post# 33843-10/23/2003-18:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (just the right frequency)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it I used to have a toy top that was metal and had holes arfound its rim-It too move a "w-ooo" sound as you spun it.The washer tub is acting like the toy top.
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Post# 33844-10/23/2003-19:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (WP/KM wig wag noises and main drive pulley.)
MESSAGE: $85 for a pulley? If you can't get one from a junkyard machine you might try WW Grainger,or a well equipped "real hardware" store. You might try a farm supply store if there is one in your area-they usually have a huge selection of various pulleys. You might find one that would fit.
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Post# 33845-10/23/2003-19:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (Flying saucer)
MESSAGE: I always thought GE Filter Flo's were the "alien" washer. They had the filter that looked like a mexican hat and the fabric softener dispenser looked like a UFO. That with the mini basket looked like some satellite from outer space.
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Post# 33846-10/23/2003-19:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (plastic wigwag tips)
MESSAGE: I think those got installed in 1974 or thereabout. That's when the newer look (plastic clothes guard) and the bigger tubs came out.
Those shift into spin alot quieter. My 1977 LK portable has such a thing. You can hear it sliding but it's not the grand ol' "GRRRRRIND" that the older machines used to make.
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Post# 33847-10/23/2003-19:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (Kenmore whine)
MESSAGE: How about the actual whine that you hear from the motor throughout the cycle. That could be an alien sound.
When it's agitating it goes "WooWooWooWooWooWoo"
During drain, it doesn't change pitch.
When it starts spinning it's sounds very strained like "zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZooooooOOOOOOOOO" and it vibrates with the vibration of the spin. So on an empty tub you have the tub howl and the whine going.
These machines must've come from Mars or something. Or the engineer in 1950 must've watched some sci-fi flick and decided to put it in a washer.
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Post# 33848-10/23/2003-21:25 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba
MESSAGE: Found 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba - Where? In the back of John LeFevers' Truck!
Restored by Jetcone
Many thanks to Gansky for supplying terrific manuals to make the job VERY easy!
Many thanks to Bob at Gray's Appliance for finding the EXACT two parts I needed to get her going again! They were sitting on his shelf for 40 years!!
Take a peek and if anyone needs manuals email me, Greg was kind enough to do all the leg work on them!
Hi to everyone I have been in the basement all summer working on and learning Induction Electronics. YES Robert Transistors are REAL and have been invented!
jetcone
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jetcone/lst?.dir=/HOBART+Kitchen+Aid+Restoration
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Post# 33849-10/23/2003-21:27 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Cory Matic-Maid Countertop Dishwasher (CUTE!)
MESSAGE: What a cute little machine. Does it whirr when it runs??
Nice pix thanks for sharing with us!
jet
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Post# 33850-10/23/2003-21:37 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (1955 Blackstone First TLoad)
MESSAGE: My Blackstone is a 350 made around 1955. It is mechanically the same as the 1940's models but the cabinet is entirely different. My timer does advance off the transmission ie it is totally mechanical. The cogs actually pull wires that trigger the different actions in the wash cycle.
I am out of town this weekend but next weekend GregM is coming over and I will try to take some pix of it for the club and get them posted to my yahoo site.
Cheers
jetcone
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Post# 33851-10/23/2003-21:48 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Kurt in business Reputation is everything! Maytag was good at getting a reputation. I remember as a kid watching the Art Linkletter show seeing my first Maytag TV ad. It was astounding because they had this housewife with 5 kids who was still using her 1954 Maytag in 1964! Ten years! WOW! Maytag was the first I remember to come out with this style of advertising based on the life expectancy of their product. Then they created a contest in Life or LOOK maganzine to find the housewife who had the longest running Maytag in America and with each issue a new one page ad would appear with some housewife who had beaten the clock.
Then Frigidaire followed with an AD similar to this around 1969 or so. But Maytag got in early in the 60s and won the name recognition which won the price wars.
WOW I went thru Saskatoon this summer! Darn if I had known I would have stopped in to say hi! My Dad went to High School in Lashburn!
cheers
jetcone
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Post# 33852-10/23/2003-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: My father bought a Maytag in 1972-We had it for only a week-then the Rapid City flood of 1972 struck! Our house was totally destroyed-but the Maytag washer was recovered.It was rebuilt by the local Maytag dealer. It was used for another 20Years!-It was installed in my dads replacement house. The cabinet was scratched up and dented. But it worked well. It was replaced in the early 90's by another Maytag. We will see how this one does.
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Post# 33853-10/23/2003-23:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (1955 Blackstone First TLoad)
MESSAGE: As a very little boy one of my parents freinds had one of those Blackstone 150 models. They opened the front doors on the cabinet and allowed me to watch the mechanisam inside!Kept me entertained during the visit.
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Post# 33854-10/23/2003-23:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (Kenmore whine)
MESSAGE: Yes-thats another sound in the whirlpool-kenmore list. Mine do that.Its also a good way to tell the belt tension is good-If you get a woo-wah-woowah sound the belt tension isn't right-usually too loose.Yes-the sounds of the empty tub-sounds like its going thru several stages of resonance as the speed changes.
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Post# 33855-10/24/2003-00:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (plastic wigwag tips)
MESSAGE: My Whirlpool Imperial 90 must of been built before 1974-Has the metal clothes guard. I also have a Whirlpool that was built much later-Probably 80's It also has the "large base" surgilator agitator.-Plastic clothes guard.
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Post# 33856-10/24/2003-00:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (Flying saucer)
MESSAGE: The only GE washer experience I had was with the ones that did not have the "lint dish" hat filter.I can only remember a Norge that had a Chromed(looked like chrome) metal lint dish and the "burp-up" agitator. Looking for one of these.Come to think of it-one of my mothers houses she lived in had the GE washer with the "mini-bucket" as I called it.Did sort of look like a satellite.It was blue plastic and the lint dish fit on top.I don't remember the water softner attachment.This would have been late 60's.That Norge was one of those that I watched as a small child. Just could barely see over to watch it work.
That must of been late 50's
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Post# 33857-10/24/2003-02:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest
MESSAGE: I noticed the jiggle too! On ours, it only happened without clothes and the agitator would move one way about 1/2 an inch but wouldn't move back (so it went, forward, stop, forward, stop etc) I would guess the thick transmission oil acted like a viscous coupling and transferred a tiny bit of power to the agitator shaft, even with it disengaged.
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Post# 33858-10/24/2003-02:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (plastic wigwag tips)
MESSAGE: Isn't it the cam bar that makes the grrrrrrrrrrrind sound? I should listen to a pre-1974 machine to here this great sound:-)
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Post# 33859-10/24/2003-02:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Yup, the name's the game. Maytag is like Hoover. Kenmore and Whirlpool are close seconds being known for great washers. But now a days, not many people know GE or frigidaire as having great washers. But they DID and there are pieces from their past lying around for people like us to pick up and restore. You came through Saskatoon? Your dad went to school around here, what a small world. Especially with only a million people in all of Saskatchewan!
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Post# 33860-10/24/2003-02:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: The newer one will do "almost" as well as the older one, the design is the same except the transmission (it is on the bubble, it "may" have the helical trans or the orbital) I love the look of older maytags, they hardly every changed their look. They had the center timer consoles for a really long time (at least 25 years or more) then they went to the black, shiny plastic with the right side timer for another 10-15 years (same console as our dishwasher's) then after that I don't care...
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Post# 33861-10/24/2003-02:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (1955 Blackstone First TLoad)
MESSAGE: That would have been neat! The "service doors" probably wouldn't fly today sadly, that would be awesome if they did though. Then imagine how many would-be handymen would break the insides while "adjusting" it:-)
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Post# 33862-10/24/2003-02:58 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (1955 Blackstone First TLoad)
MESSAGE: If you read thru the instruction manual in the SRVAA section on manuals-they show some adjustments and service the user(or her husband) could do.
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Post# 33863-10/24/2003-04:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (WP/KM wig wag noises and main drive pulley.)
MESSAGE: Thanks, yes, the belt is part #95405.
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Post# 33864-10/24/2003-08:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba
MESSAGE: Absolutely beautiful - it must be diswasher week!
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Post# 33865-10/24/2003-08:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: It also didn't hurt that Maytag had a bazillion wringer washers in service as well, just like Hoover vacuums - name recognition helps in getting the reputation even if the products weren't nearly as dependable as their advertising would lead you to believe. I know a former Maytag distributor for Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri that will tell you his service staff was NEVER lonely!
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Post# 33866-10/24/2003-09:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: The panel style was changed around 1980-81 and the orbital tranny came in around 85-87.
In 1981 we bought a new BOL Maytag washer with the longer stroke tranny and a portable diswasher that was probably the loudest machine ever created for home use. Although annoying as hell, you do have to admire a machine that rattles the windows...
The washer replaced a GE filter-flo and the dishwasher replaced a KM roto-rack.
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Post# 33867-10/24/2003-09:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (1955 Blackstone First TLoad)
MESSAGE: Like oiling the rollers on a Frigidaire...
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Post# 33868-10/24/2003-09:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba (Congratulations!)
MESSAGE: Hey Jon, that is a wonderful dishwasher you've got there. Have you teached Al to put his own bowls in it?
Louis
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Post# 33869-10/24/2003-09:28 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba (FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba )
MESSAGE: This is Grest
Best Luck
Peter
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Post# 33870-10/24/2003-09:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT: RE: FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba (MINT !!!!!!)
MESSAGE: I have seen this machine and it is MINT !!, congrads Jon on restoring a beauty !!
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Post# 33871-10/24/2003-11:25 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Maytag may be like hoover but whirlpool did'nt become #1 for
no reason. All their appliances are pretty reliable across the board.
I would have to say i would go with ge for cooking though.
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Post# 33872-10/24/2003-13:26 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Adding To Activator's Nostalgia-fest (WP/KM wig wag noises and main drive pulley.)
MESSAGE: I do have that pulley for the 95405 belt. It isn't in a pkg But I believe it is new. $10.00 plus shipping buys it. You can email your address and I will do the same,if you like.
John
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Post# 33873-10/24/2003-13:29 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Being in the appliance repair business, I have always felt that whirlpool had pretty good, consistent quality appliances for the price. My money has always been on Whirlpool. I do agree with you about GE for cooking; it's the only time I recommend ge appliances today.
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Post# 33874-10/24/2003-14:28 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: Seattle Salvation Army Kenmores
MESSAGE: I was just over at the Downtown Seattle Salvation Army, and they had a pristine set of Kenmores. They were white, with sort of "sheer look" styling, and I'm guessing they were early automatics, because the lettering on the Washer control panel said "Automatic Washer" in VERY big, very stylized (pseudo Westinghouse) lettering.
I didn't have a camera with me, or I would have taken pictures. If they are still there tomorrow, I will take a photo for you guys.
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Post# 33875-10/24/2003-14:54 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: first frigidaire washers
MESSAGE: This sounds silly,but did frigidaire ever produce a wringer washer?
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Post# 33876-10/24/2003-16:20 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Seattle Salvation Army Kenmores (Oh My!)
MESSAGE: Why did you not pick them up?
That sounds like the Kenmore that Imperial Bob has!
How much did they want?
I would have straped them to the top of my car!
Go get them.
Brent
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Post# 33877-10/24/2003-16:33 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: LADY KENMORE MODEL 21900 on EBAY !
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Was cruising through Ebay and thought one of you guys might want to grab this one! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2355004444&category=42232
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Post# 33878-10/24/2003-16:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: LADY KENMORE MODEL 21900 on EBAY ! (So far away :-()
MESSAGE: Too bad Chicago is too far away.
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Post# 33879-10/24/2003-17:04 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: OK GUYS! Here's a beautiful example of a Norge with a burp agitator and all the clanks, bings, and bangs a washer ever needs! Hope one of you guys get it! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2354538160&category=20714
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Post# 33880-10/24/2003-17:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: first frigidaire washers
MESSAGE: That was not a silly question! While I've never seen or heard of a GM Frigidaire wringer washer, wouldn't it have been great if they had made one! The housewife could have spent many hours trying to untangle her clothes before getting them into that wringer! (Actually, it might have been lots of fun!) A three ring agitator in a large white enamel or stainless steel tub!!! WOW!!! MArk
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Post# 33881-10/24/2003-17:14 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (I love those! In fact...)
MESSAGE: That happens to be the same kind as my aunts washer and dryer! Hers is labled Montgomery Wards. It also has some more features, but all the same those machines are REALLY fun to watch and play with! The only thing is that my uncle has this thing with people liking washers and dryers. :-( He says that they aren't an okay item for boys like me to watch. Then he tells me to go and play video games, BORING! My aunt on the other hand thinks that it is funny, so when my uncle is at work she lets me watch. :-)
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Post# 33882-10/24/2003-17:18 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: I think that Whirlpool became #1 because they were making appliances for Sears in the earliest days. Quality wasn't their #1 priority, getting them into American homes was. Since ANYONE could get credit at Sears, LOTS of people had Kenmore something or others in their homes (for a small monthly payment!).....Especially after WW II when everybody wanted a little luxury....and for a small monthly payment it was affordable. Other manufacturers were out on their own trying to sell their goods (usually without credit assistance)and didn't have the complete store/catalog appeal that Sears had. It took quite a while for companies like GE to get a consumer credit offer to the public....(like not until the 60's) Saving up for a luxury like a washer or dryer was quite a feat in those days.....with Sears credit, who had to save? I always thought that is why the Maytag brand was always so elite. If a consumer wanted a Maytag, then they obviously showed the neighborhood that they had the money to pay for it! Mark
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Post# 33883-10/24/2003-18:45 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: I agree. Offering washer on credit was a big sales booster. This is how Philco got so big selling radios during the depression.
My opinion of the Whirlpool/Kenmore washers is that they were damn good washers. Not my favorite, but every collection should have at least one.
Comparing a Sears Kenmore washer to a Maytag washer is like comparing a Sears Silvertone stereo console to a Magnavox console. The Silvertone sounds nice, but the Magnavox is clearly superior (and much more expensive).
Ken D.
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Post# 33884-10/24/2003-19:02 ||| dalangdon (Seattle, WA)
SUBJECT: RE: Seattle Salvation Army Kenmores (Oh My!)
MESSAGE: While I admire and respect vintage washers and dryers, my interest lies more towards stoves and small appliances - plus I just don't have any room for extra appliances.
So I thought the wisest course of action was to leave them for someone who would treasure them.
I think they wanted $150 for the set, which is another reason I didn't buy them. I'm broke until the end of the month :-(
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Post# 33885-10/24/2003-19:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: I couldn't have said it better myself! Mark
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Post# 33886-10/24/2003-21:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Maytag dishwasher? Yes it is true, the belt drive maytag dishwashers are LOUD, ours is a built-in so the portables were probably even louder. The counter top vibrates when the dishwasher is running:-) Gotta love that huge motor though.
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Post# 33887-10/24/2003-21:17 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (1955 Blackstone First TLoad)
MESSAGE: That's a no-no:-( But washers need no adjusting these days, I can just hear some husband that screwed something up's excuse "I just opened the service doors and made some "adjustments"
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Post# 33888-10/24/2003-21:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Ya, whirlpool has the widest range of good appliances, always has. GE ranges are good, so long as they don't break down and you have to pay for parts.
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Post# 33889-10/24/2003-21:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: Another example of a washer with the "slow/normal" wash/spin speed combination, that isn't very common.
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Post# 33890-10/24/2003-21:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (I love those! In fact...)
MESSAGE: Seems like he is kind of intolerant. Oh well, he will change eventually, hopefully:-) Have you asked him why watching a washer is not ok? If he says because it is not normal, do not accept that. It is people who are "not normal" who invent things and make things better.
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Post# 33891-10/24/2003-21:33 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba
MESSAGE: Cool!
The San Fernando Valley, California-area childhood house I was raised in had the same model (KDS-14P, IIRC). I had quite a time keeping that machine purring, replacing a pump or two along the way (I did all the appliance repairs for my parents in my teenage years). The rapid-advance timer was quite interesting, too.
Good luck with your new acquisition!
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Post# 33892-10/25/2003-01:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Free Brochures & Catalogs and Instruction Manual
MESSAGE: I still have these up for grabs:
1984 Sony TV catalog
1978 Shure V15 Type IV phono cartridge reviews
Robertshaw Thermal Eye Top Burner Control Instructions & Cooking Suggestions
1984 Sunbeam Appliance catalog
First come, first served, no charge.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/trolley717
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Post# 33893-10/25/2003-02:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: FOUND! 1961 Kitchen Aid Superba (Repairing appliances for parents)
MESSAGE: Did your Mom brag to her friends about how handy you were? My Grandmother never passed up an opportunity to tell her friends whenever I fixed something around her house when I was a teen-ager.
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Post# 33894-10/25/2003-08:59 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Maytag was good but i don't think superior to a kenmore,but
this is only my opinion.whirlpool built some pretty solid machines in their day, certainly better than ge and as good or better than maytag
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Post# 33895-10/25/2003-09:28 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Seattle Salvation Army Kenmores
MESSAGE: I would sure like to see pictures of these machines!
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Post# 33896-10/25/2003-10:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: My friend Henry had an early 1990s Tragic Chef washer that we just chunked because of rust. I thought it was cool because of the huge capacity and for the noises. I wanted to videotape it before we put it out of service but it was too late.
We replaced with a new 90 series Kenmore with Triple action.
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Post# 33897-10/25/2003-12:53 ||| Katkradle (Michigan)
SUBJECT: Monarch Electric
MESSAGE: I bought a house two years ago and with it, inherited a Monarch 40" electric range. 3 burners, one "stove pot (?)" with lid, and three large storage drawers. It was in good condition, but seems to be falling apart before my eyes! The oven temp is always about 75 degrees hotter than what you set it at, but I've made mental adjustments for that, and the burners work fine. I dropped something on the front right corner, and chipped about a half dollar size bit of porcelain off! I cried. I would like to find an interested party who would be interested in this stove for their own use/sale. I cannot do it justice, and I would hate to think of it in a landfill somewhere.....
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Post# 33898-10/25/2003-12:54 ||| Katkradle (Michigan)
SUBJECT: Monarch Electric
MESSAGE: I bought a house two years ago and with it, inherited a Monarch 40" electric range. 3 burners, one "stove pot (?)" with lid, and three large storage drawers. It was in good condition, but seems to be falling apart before my eyes! The oven temp is always about 75 degrees hotter than what you set it at, but I've made mental adjustments for that, and the burners work fine. I dropped something on the front right corner, and chipped about a half dollar size bit of porcelain off! I cried. I would like to find an interested party who would be interested in this stove for their own use/sale. I cannot do it justice, and I would hate to think of it in a landfill somewhere.....
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Post# 33899-10/25/2003-13:15 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: We bought a norge set in about 74 that lasted to 83. It had a 20lb. capacity and man did that machine have powerful agitation. I believe it was top of the line,or close to top.
I remember the big white agitator with the burp up filter. I recall with large loads though there was not much turnover.For such a large capacity machine then or now it had rather small vanes on that large base. Turnover on medium loads was better.
Never had a problem getting the clothes clean though.
Today we have a kenmore 90 series bought this year with the spray rinses. Maybe not classic but about as close as we'll get with todays toploaders.
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Post# 33900-10/25/2003-13:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: replying to my own post i should have said they build them
better than ge nowadays and at least as good as maytag.
It's a shame with all the buyouts and takeovers today that our choices are getting more limited as the decades roll on.
Were down to three now Whirlpool..ge..maytag...and the winner is?
Pat
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Post# 33901-10/25/2003-15:12 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: WHIRLPOOL ALL THE WAY!
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Post# 33902-10/25/2003-15:14 ||| Kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: The old GEs are great washers with the best lint filtration system in the industry, but they're water hogs.
Ken D.
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Post# 33903-10/25/2003-15:16 ||| Kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Monarch Electric (oven temp)
MESSAGE: If you pull off the oven temp knob, you might find a temperature adjustment on the back of the knob itself.
Ken D.
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Post# 33904-10/25/2003-16:11 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: My thoughts exactly:-)
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Post# 33905-10/25/2003-16:53 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: Bradford washers
MESSAGE: Does anyone know where the bradford name came from? Growing up in the 70's my friends mom had one of these machines and it was norge built.I remember one time opening the lid when it was spinning,not realizing the loud BANG!My friend and his mom nearly jumped out of their skin LOL!!! I felt so embarrased but hey,most of my friends knew of my "weird" interest in washers.I know some of my friends thought they were interesting but did'nt admit it. After all washing machines are not considered "boys toys".Whatever.
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Post# 33906-10/25/2003-20:13 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure that the Bradford brand was a private label for W.T. Grant stores. My first repair when I was in appliance service school was for a Bradford washer (which was made by Franklin/Kelvinator at the time)
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Post# 33907-10/25/2003-20:57 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers
MESSAGE: Thank you John.Was the Bradford name around for a while?I only remember seeing that one washer with that name in the late 70's.
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Post# 33908-10/25/2003-21:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Well GE is the loser, but if/when Maytag stops making their LAT model washers (the only one of their models based on their ancient, solid design) then it will only be barely above GE. I think Whirlpool has it pinned for first these days.
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Post# 33909-10/25/2003-21:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Totally water hogs, especially with the huge outer tub, it used up so much water just to fill the space between the two tubs!
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Post# 33910-10/25/2003-21:35 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers
MESSAGE: I don't remember W.T. Grant stores past the 70's. Bradford was their brand so when the stores went out of business the brand disappeared too!
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Post# 33911-10/25/2003-21:42 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: I think the LAT models are being phased out very soon. You don't see them advertised at all. I wonder what top load design they will use for the coin-op models? Being in the repair business, i have ALWAYS felt that w/p ken were just as good as a maytag and better priced too. More money does not buy better quality. Even the belt drive models were unique. Although they were rear servicable, you could drop a tranny out of them easily! Also a unidirectional motor had a long life because it never started under a load and only paused and restarted once during a cycle.
If only they had spun faster; that was the only drawback; and the fact that the belt was harder to replace than most others.
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Post# 33912-10/25/2003-22:14 ||| Agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: On Maytag's website they only have one LAT model left.The new models have Plastic washtubs and amana cabinets.I guess no more porcelain washbaskets for Maytag.
Pat
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Post# 33913-10/25/2003-22:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (Powerful Norge agitation)
MESSAGE: I worked at Montgomery Wards during the 70's, and I remember how Wards boasted of having a larger agitator arc than any other machine.
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Post# 33914-10/25/2003-22:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration system)
MESSAGE: What are you basing your opinion that GE had the best lint filtration in the industry on? I don't see where it would be better (or worse) than any washer that uses the "waterfall" system or the later WP/KM "Magic" filtering system. But it's real obvious that any system that uses a pump to run the filtration system is going to move a lot more water during a cycle than systems like "burp-up" or Maytag's agitator filtration system.
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Post# 33915-10/26/2003-00:40 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (Powerful Norge agitation)
MESSAGE: I think i seen a post in the archives,not sure though,that Norges were always noisy.I know the one we had was LOUD! It held up close to ten years under heavy use.The timer dial finally gave out and would not shut off but continue to advance through the cycles,agitating,spinning and filling at the same time.That machine plus the whirlpool DD we had for fifteen years were two of the best washers we ever owned.
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Post# 33916-10/26/2003-01:37 ||| Kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration system)
MESSAGE: The GE filter is easiest to clean, and is great for distributing powdered detergent.
Ken D.
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Post# 33917-10/26/2003-01:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Very true, I think most coin-op buisnesses had maytags since they were very simple, not much there to go wrong and since they were used many times a day, they probably went through many belts, just run the old ones off and put the new ones on, it was a 3 minute job.
Although whirlpools were great too, actually I like the design better since it is more complex. The main parts of the whirlpools were SO reliable, how many transmissions in those failed with good oil? If you ever find a bad whirlpool BD transmission, it nearly always has bad oil that caused it to be torn apart, not many failed without being filled with water. The washers only had a couple problem areas
rust and the center post seals (agitator shaft and the main seal) Everything else was simple (like wigwags, lid switches, pumps etc) I wish we still had ours, even if we left it in our basement for me to tinker with. But I got all the main parts off it (console, agitator, lid.) so I can do a swip-swap with a good whirlpool/kenmore and I will have our old one back!
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Post# 33918-10/26/2003-01:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: It is too bad maytag is dumping the washer design that helped to make them famous. Now maytag will only put out the later Norge designs I heard, they aren't that bad per say, but they are NOT a maytag in any sense.
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Post# 33919-10/26/2003-01:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: But didn't other manufacturers use that same waterfall-into-a-disc-on-the-agitator system? They would be as easy to clean as GE's, as would later Norges burp-up-into-disc system. 2nd best would be the waterfall-into-side-filter system like Frigidaire and earlier Norges. 3rd, waterfall through brush or strainer like early KM/WP. Of course, the easiest to clean is the one you don't have to clean at all, WP/KM Magic Clean filter system. Did I miss any? Opinions?
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Post# 33920-10/26/2003-01:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (BD KM)
MESSAGE: So Kurt, what went wrong with your old BD that you weren't able to fix? You seem like you would have been fully capable of fixing WAHTEVER went wrong with it.
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Post# 33921-10/26/2003-01:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Did I miss something along the way? How did Maytag end up using a Norge design?
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Post# 33922-10/26/2003-02:31 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (Grant's and Bradford)
MESSAGE: My Grandmother worked for Grant's for 18yrs. and retired when they closed their doors. My aunt and uncle had a Bradford frig. that ran for years. My Grandmother had the old style portable stereo. At our home, we had a nice(at the time)Bradford stereo console with real wood. I thought their products were dependable. Eureka made vacuum cleaners for Grant's.
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Post# 33923-10/26/2003-03:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Yesterday I picked up the Hoover Keymatic I bought. The state is not immaculate but good enough to keep it. I haven't tried it yet, there isn't a plug on it. Pictures will follow.
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Post# 33924-10/26/2003-06:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Easy... Somewhere along the way, Norge was consumed by Magic
Chef. MAgic Chef used the Norge design in their washers and continued to produce washers under the Norge label and their own label. Then, in the 80's, Maytag bought Magic Chef. So in addition to producing Norge and Magic Chef washers, Maytag added the "Performa" line. Same washers and dryers as Norge/Magic Chef, but at much better price points than the traditional Maytag Dependable Care line. So now everyone could own a Maytag. Then Maytag decided to introduce their "premier" Atlantis line- - with the innards based on the Norge/Magic Chef design.
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Post# 33925-10/26/2003-08:59 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: Self cleaning filters can help clog the sink drain.
Ken D.
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Post# 33926-10/26/2003-10:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: This is heading for the Sandbox but those spray rinses in the Kenmore 90 work well. Even with Tide detergent it rinses pretty clean for a new machine.
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Post# 33927-10/26/2003-10:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Whirlpool/Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I think it depends on the machine you grew up watching but I'd pick a WP/KM belt drive machine over anything else. The big drawback is the slow spin but you can always get a SpinX or in my case I can spin the clothes in my 1050rpm front loader.
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Post# 33928-10/26/2003-10:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: A car is machine
A motorcycle is a machine
A train is a machine
And boys love mechanical things
A washing machine is... a machine. It makes noise and does cool mechanical stuff
I think there's alot more people in this world who have this fetish than we realize. They're just to embarrased to admit it. Washing machines are associated with "woman's work" or housework and would therefore be not a manly thing to do. But it's curious how most appliance repair people are men... hmmmm...
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Post# 33929-10/26/2003-16:11 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: It's can be tough for a repairman to tell the housewife that there is nothing wrong with the appliance, but she's using it wrong and should read the manual.
:-)
Ken D.
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Post# 33930-10/26/2003-17:02 ||| belaprops (England-Holland)
SUBJECT: AEG OKO Lavamat 645 sensortronic, how do I wash?
MESSAGE: doing the wash is difficult enough, but my nice AGE has so many posibilities and I havent got a cleu what all the pictograms mean, also why there is a little switch just behind the soap tray, and where do you put the washing powder in I or II, can some one please shine some light in this washing problem, I hope someone can help, Bela ( UK / NL ) belaprops@hotmail.com
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Post# 33931-10/26/2003-17:52 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, you said it better than i ever could :)
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Post# 33932-10/26/2003-17:53 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: How did the magic clean filters work? I know of two kenmore/WP filters, the waterfall strainer and the self cleaning filter under the basket on all KM/WP washers from the mid 80s on up to now.
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Post# 33933-10/26/2003-17:58 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (BD KM)
MESSAGE: I would have been capable of fixing it. But remember it is my parent's washer and I told my mom I would try to fix it. However most of the bottom of the outer tub was rusted, we would have probably needed a new tub, the agitator shaft seal was leaking water into the transmission. I would have been happy to tear it down and fix both problems, but my mom wasn't too keen on spending over 100 dollars on a new tub. It was more her decision anyway, she wanted a new one (for a family of 5, the belt drive was a tad small. That didn't matter to me, that just meant I got to watch more loads, but my mom wanted a bigger machine so she could wash their king size bedspread.)
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Post# 33934-10/26/2003-17:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Well, not norge design, but they have a norge transmission in there according to a repairman I have talked to on another site, so he could be wrong. But the point is Maytag's performa and atlantis doesn't have a maytag transmission in there.
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Post# 33935-10/26/2003-18:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: There we go, I knew Maytag got that transmission/design in there somehow:-)
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Post# 33936-10/26/2003-18:03 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Exactly, people fastinated with cars or bikes are considered normal, why can't appliances be the same way? I bet many repairmen are fascinated by appliances, else why would they be in the buisness?
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Post# 33937-10/26/2003-18:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Exactly, people fastinated with cars or bikes are considered normal, why can't appliances be the same way? I bet many repairmen are fascinated by appliances, else why would they be in the buisness?
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Post# 33938-10/26/2003-18:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Exactly, people fastinated with cars or bikes are considered normal, why can't appliances be the same way? I bet many repairmen are fascinated by appliances, else why would they be in the buisness?
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Post# 33939-10/26/2003-18:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Exactly, people fastinated with cars or bikes are considered normal, why can't appliances be the same way? I bet many repairmen are fascinated by appliances, else why would they be in the buisness?
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Post# 33940-10/26/2003-18:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Exactly, people fastinated with cars or bikes are considered normal, why can't appliances be the same way? I bet many repairmen are fascinated by appliances, else why would they be in the buisness?
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Post# 33941-10/26/2003-18:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Sorry, it wouldn't go and I clicked it more than once.
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Post# 33942-10/26/2003-18:14 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Now Boys! PLEASE!!! Let's not even try and compare the WP/GE/ and Maytag washers, because they don't even come close to each other! Maytag was quite superior in so many ways! Maytag, up until lately, NEVER offered a washer with anything other than a porcelain top and lid and porcelain wash basket. As far as lint filters in washers, I can't even think of ONE that actually worked very well. You might catch a few little lint balls in any of the machines but none were REALLY very good at lint removal. WP's self clean lint filter was just a bad as any of the rest, except they dumped clumps of lint down the drain which assured an eventual spill over if you were draining into a laundry sink as the drain would eventually stop up unexpectedly. I've taken many of those filters apart that were SO clogged up. Lint from MANY loads. The controls on the old Maytags were also quite reliable. Very rare replacing a timer, water switches, etc... Maytags also didn't waste water like the WP/KEN/GE washers. Lots of space between the tub and outer tub....and I can NEVER remember getting suds lock in a Maytag. They simply got the job done. A reversable motor and a good dependable transmission was all that was needed to make this machine work! No brake solenoids, Wig-Wags, or any of that other silliness. And don't even make me tell you how easy it is to change a belt on a Maytag! Now that THAT'S settled...... Hope you all are doing well and are taking these comments with a giggle.....we all have our favorites and can justify them! Hugs to all! Mark
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Post# 33943-10/26/2003-18:56 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Maytag kept it simple and it turned out good for them. But WP/KM washers have the basket very close to the outer tub (less than 1/2 an inch, maybe 1/4 inch space) So they wasted as much water as maytags, but GEs, GEs had many inches between the basket and outer tub=wasted water.
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Post# 33944-10/26/2003-19:01 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: When you hang the clothes to dry you notice how effective the GE filter-flo really is. Nowadays, the dryer catches the lint.
Ken D.
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Post# 33945-10/26/2003-19:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Yes in ruggenss-the Maytag wins-At least the one that were built in the days BEFORE Maytag was merged with Magic Chef.I don't think NEW Maytags are worth a flip.As I have said My dad bought one in 1972 that went thru a flood-was rebuilt and worked for another 20 years before giving up the ghost and going to washer heaven.I Have never worked on a Maytag-the belts they used look like the very heavy duty belts you see on farm equipment(Alamo flail mower drive use a belt of like appearence)The mower blets can be tranfering over 40 Hp from the Hydraulic motor to the mower blade shaft.These are mowers that are used down here to mow roadsides.The belts are Grayish white in color.I beleive Maytags used two belts-one for spin and other to turn the agitate transmission.however I think the agitation of Maytags was lackluster. Not much going on.The one I had the clothes almost took forever to rollover.My Whirlpools give better agitation.
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Post# 33946-10/26/2003-19:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Yes in ruggenss-the Maytag wins-At least the one that were built in the days BEFORE Maytag was merged with Magic Chef.I don't think NEW Maytags are worth a flip.As I have said My dad bought one in 1972 that went thru a flood-was rebuilt and worked for another 20 years before giving up the ghost and going to washer heaven.I Have never worked on a Maytag-the belts they used look like the very heavy duty belts you see on farm equipment(Alamo flail mower drive use a belt of like appearence)The mower blets can be tranfering over 40 Hp from the Hydraulic motor to the mower blade shaft.These are mowers that are used down here to mow roadsides.The belts are Grayish white in color.I beleive Maytags used two belts-one for spin and other to turn the agitate transmission.however I think the agitation of Maytags was lackluster. Not much going on.The one I had the clothes almost took forever to rollover.My Whirlpools give better agitation.
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Post# 33947-10/26/2003-19:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: The thing with washers and other appliances in the household is--
the misses says it doesn't work-"honey can you look at the washer-its not working--"She is typically the user-the husband or boyfreind turns into the repair tech.I work on transmitters,other various thing-they are machines.They have mechanical parts too. Like how many men cook?how many are tailers?I also fix vacuums-when I vist my mothers house-can you look at the vacuum? its not working as it should-Or can you check the stereo? the record player isn't working.
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Post# 33948-10/26/2003-19:21 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: One belt for the transmission, and one for the pump.
And yes, that is a 'clutch belt' just like the clutch on a garden tractor. That's how the Maytag packs the clothes against the drum so effectivly during spin-dry without wearing out parts. The sliding motor is a nice design.
Ken D.
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Post# 33949-10/26/2003-19:21 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: Look what we have here!
I wish they were closer here to NYC......
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2355692845&category=20714
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Post# 33950-10/26/2003-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (BD KM)
MESSAGE: The whirlpool I have could launder the king size beadspread with no problem. You may not be able to wash anything else with it. I have washed large drapes in mine that would be more fabric surface area with no difficulties. In fact the older machine handeled it better than the newer Kenmore "80" I had.
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Post# 33951-10/26/2003-19:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: On the "magic clean" systems the filter is backflushed when the washer drains and spins. However as I have seen mentioned on other posts this doesn't always work. The manual clean filter systems work better and prevents the lint from being flushed down the drain and possibly clogging your plumbing and or septic tank. also if that dreaded paper item should be accidently "washed-pulped" this can cause problems with the filter. I like the "bed of nails" and lint pan types best.You could clean these yoruself and throw the lint in the trash. It also seems the dryer loosens more lint from the clothes.
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Post# 33952-10/26/2003-20:00 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Actually, one belt was for the pump, the other was for the transmission (the transmission worked like many today, the motor when one way for agitate, the other way for spin and drain.) The "clutch" in Maytags is just the main belt slipping at the start of spin, they have a cloth outer layer so the belt can slip without burning (if the tub got stuck or if the machine was overloaded, the belt would burn.)
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Post# 33953-10/26/2003-20:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: I agree that is the best spin design out there. The only thing to ever wear out is the belt and that is what, 20 dollars or less and 2 minutes to work on. As opposed to replacing the spin tube on a KM/WP.
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Post# 33954-10/26/2003-20:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (BD KM)
MESSAGE: Maybe your BD is a large capacity one, ours was just the normal one. Although the mechanical parts could handle the bedspread, we could not physically get it in there and still get the top down all the way (can someone say "overloading") the new one we have handles it better (since the basket is much bigger)
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Post# 33955-10/26/2003-20:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: So the magic clean filter was a lot like the self cleaning ones they have now?
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Post# 33956-10/26/2003-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: AEG OKO Lavamat 645 sensortronic, how do I wash?
MESSAGE: I use an AEG transmitter at the transmitter plant-sometimes you need the operations manual to decipher what they mean. We have a chart posted on the tx to remind us. The folks at AEG love those little pictograms.
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Post# 33957-10/26/2003-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: That seems like what they use with the farm and heavy equipment-say like the heavvy duty mower-the deck cuts a path about 7 Ft wide. If the shaft momentarily jams on a large object or stump.-it will slip the belt without damage to anything else. although the hydraulic motor that turns the mower shaft-hydraulic motors don't burn out!!It could put a stress on the pumps and valves.What were saying belts can slip for a little while without damage. I have used small lawn mowers that were belt driven from the motor to the blade shaft.Saves breaking the motor crankshaft if you hit a stump or whatever.
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Post# 33958-10/26/2003-20:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (BD KM)
MESSAGE: You do not want to overload the new type DD machine-remember the drive shaft that can(and is DESIGNED to break)if the machine is overloaded.The drive shaft acts as a "mechanical fuse"
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Post# 33959-10/26/2003-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: I beleive so they use the backflush action when the washer goes to drain and spin modes. When it is washing the pump is going and circulates the water thru the filter. When the washer goes to drain and spin mode-the water flow direction thru the "magic clean" filter is reversed.
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Post# 33960-10/26/2003-20:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: Kenmore "800" washer
MESSAGE: While "hunting" at one of the used appliance stores I found and bought a Kenmore 800 washer. It has an unusual "vari-flex" agitator. When you unlock and turn the top part it makes the lower blades extend or retract into the agitator base.Seems to work well in prelimnary tests. It needs a new control bridge light(those pesky 26" flourescent bulbs-hard to find here)when those lights work they are so cool!!also its belt needs adjusting-Goes "woo-waa" when agitating.Otherwise its in pretty good shape-about when did these come out?
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Post# 33961-10/26/2003-20:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Yes-I haved run into this-usually with DJ's at radio stations. You have to rexplain to them the device isn't broken and they are operating it wrong.You then show them how to operate the machine.
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Post# 33962-10/26/2003-20:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Interesting you mention the relationship to farm implements, remember, Maytag started out making farm implements in the mid to late 1800's and then progressed into washing machines later. Much of the Maytag washer design was built to be simple and heavy duty - the low shaft drive for the agitator, the brake that was so tight they had to grease it to keep it from stopping TOO fast, etc. Where they made errors was in keeping that narrow cabinet width for the large capacity machines when they were introduced in 1966. A larger diameter tub and slightly faster agitation stroke (i.e. Norge) would have made a huge difference in performance although what they had still earned top slots in the ratings for many years.
The Maytag used two belts, one for drive power to the mechanism and the other for the pump.
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Post# 33963-10/26/2003-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: I have been fascintated by washers,vacuum cleaners. I guess most people don't like to have to buy and use these things.Yet folks like us are very interested. I have been interested in these devices since I was a little kid. I think its Machines like cars,planes ,motorcycles(VEhicles) that fascinate people more so thean "cleaning" machines that could be equated to work instead of pleasure(the vehicle) I am fascinated by vehicles too-mostly trains,heavy equipment,ships. Cars don't interest me much. I also HATE working on them.I am also fascinated by the Radio and electronic equipment I use and repair at work.I also think there is something fascinating about StEAM locomotives-they make sounds almost like some living things.Deisels are interesting but their sounds are just rumbling for the most part. If you are standing close to one and it starts moving a large train the rumble of the engine is cool along with the whine of the traction motors!!
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Post# 33964-10/26/2003-20:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Whirlpool/Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Yah-amen I'm with you-It also seems WP-Kenmore machines were the most common.I just got a Kenmore 800-needs some adjusting but it is interesting.Someday I was thinking of the SpinX machine.I think the 2-3 min cycle in this device can save you many kilowatt hours of power use.It just means you only have to run your dryer for 1/3-1/2 the time.The spinner makes sense.It even spins faster than the front loader. The SpinX gets up to 3,300 RPM!!
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Post# 33965-10/26/2003-20:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Before Magic Chef merged with Norge-didn't Magic Chef primarily build cooking appliances-such as ranges,cooktops and ovens.The gas ones I have used have worked really well.Then after the merger-they were then a "builders Brand" Inexpensive machines bought and installed by builders in apartments-housing districts and such.
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Post# 33966-10/26/2003-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: This came about when Maytag was merged with Magic chef some time in the mid 90's.
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Post# 33967-10/26/2003-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (BD KM)
MESSAGE: It seems like the sealed oil washer transmission were amazing devices-as long as the oil didn't leek out or water get in they could function for decades!!Sort of like some 35MM projector transmissions-same sort of thing -In Simplexes they could run for many decades!! Some that are 75Yrs old are converted to run Digital soundtracks(add the digital soundhead)and they work just fine!!(these may be found in those REALLY VINTAGE theaters.and also add the "widescreen " picture apatures.
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Post# 33968-10/26/2003-21:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: The thing is any oif the manual clean systems keeps the lint out of the drain and plumbing. Anytime I have used the "lint dish" or "bed of nails" WP-Kn you could clean them and see just how much lint was removed.I remember As a kid the amount of lint caught in the Norge Burp-up lint pan. Also a GE filter flo lint dish machine. These did work well. I also had a Kenmore machine that had the removable "bed of nails" lint filter.
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Post# 33969-10/26/2003-21:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Lint Filtration systems)
MESSAGE: The thing is any oif the manual clean systems keeps the lint out of the drain and plumbing. Anytime I have used the "lint dish" or "bed of nails" WP-Kn you could clean them and see just how much lint was removed.I remember As a kid the amount of lint caught in the Norge Burp-up lint pan. Also a GE filter flo lint dish machine. These did work well. I also had a Kenmore machine that had the removable "bed of nails" lint filter.
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Post# 33970-10/26/2003-21:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Ive seen and used both Maytag and WP machines in commercail and apartment laudramats. The WP ones can hold up just as long as the Maytags. The WP had the advantage that the drain before spin puts MUCH less strain on the mechanism than trying to spin the basket with the water still in the tub.That puts a strain on belts and motors!!The Maytag I used would spin with the tub full of water.
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Post# 33971-10/26/2003-21:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Ya, slipping belts could save many things. Were those little puch mowers old? Most new ones are direct drive with soft metal keys at the blade and flywheel that will shear if you hit a large rock or something. However they are not always fail-safe, bent cranks can still happen quite easily!
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Post# 33972-10/26/2003-21:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (BD KM)
MESSAGE: We haven't overloaded our new washer, the bigger basket allows the bed spread to move freely:-)
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Post# 33973-10/26/2003-21:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore "800" washer
MESSAGE: When agitating, don't BDs usually make that gear hum noise? Low pitched and kind of goes woo-waa like you said. That's one sound I remember from our BD.
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Post# 33974-10/26/2003-21:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Agreed-WP-KNis my favorites!
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Post# 33975-10/26/2003-21:17 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: I am "almost" as fascinated with cars and engines as I am with appliances.
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Post# 33976-10/26/2003-21:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: I think WP/KM were the only neutral drain washers for MANY years (in North America at least) The thing about Maytags is the strain at the start of spin was put almost totally on the belt. The start of spin slippage in WP/KM belt drives was put on the clutch. The clutch usually lasted a good long time though (after 15 years of heavy use, ours was still fine) GEs, frigidaires and most if not all other American washers had a spin-drain. I didn't even know spin-drain machines existed until this site (since I grew up watching a kenmore)
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Post# 33977-10/26/2003-21:23 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: That is the exact same washer and dryer that I have in my storage unit, except that mine doesn't have the wringer and has the name Nesco on it. The dryer doesn't have a thermostat on it, is really noisy when it's running and the drum will keep turning with the door open too.
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Post# 33978-10/26/2003-21:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: At this point I find it difficult that anyone builds decent appliances these days-the "vintage" one were truely built to last-the engineering was better and the materials were better. I WILL NOT buy any new machines!! I can remember getting rid ofa "new" GE washer(les than 4 yrs old) that died after its ALL PLASTIC transmission broke!!I buy the older ones as a collector and as a user!!The buyouts and takeovers are wrecking our appliance industry. Esp when the USA plants are shut down and production moved to Mexico. They build primarily JUNK!!They have to be closely supervised!!
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Post# 33979-10/26/2003-21:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Yes-the other day I was on my Daily walk And looked over the broken down "alamo) roadside mower-I stopped and talked to the tech who was repairing it and the driver.The device did interest me.I don't see these much-just the grass cut after it went by.The hitch mounts for the rear deck were broke-the tech was rewelding it. I admired the drives The rear deck had a hydro pump turned by the tractor front PTO. the front deck was driven by the front PTO(directly off the engine)and had two pumps. I looked it up on the Alamo website-the other pump works the hydraulic cyclinders to lift and position the mower decks.The main pump supplied the mower motor.The main motor spun the flail shaft at over 3600 rpm!The motor was no bigger in physical size than that of your washer but could develop over 40horsepower!!The motor was coupled to the mower shaft with the two cloth back belts like on a Maytag.
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Post# 33980-10/26/2003-21:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore "800" washer
MESSAGE: Yes-When the belts are adjusted right the sound is like a "woo-woo" not the "woo-wah" and it slowed down.The spin was sluggish too-and both agitate and spin speed were not consistent.
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Post# 33981-10/26/2003-21:44 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (G-forces)
MESSAGE: I hear the Spin-X does a good job, but remember that RPM isn't everything, the size of the drum effects G-forces too.
A top loader has a larger drum than either a Spin-X or a typical front-loader. The Maytag spin-dry is quite effective with 600 rpm and the clothes spread out right to the top of the tub. I think the Whirlpool spins at a similar speed, but of course the clothes are all clumped at the bottom so they don't get as dry.
And nothing spin-drys like the old Frigidaire 1160 RPM. I bet it would wring better than a Spin-X.
Ken D.
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Post# 33982-10/26/2003-21:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: The particular one I had was-Its called a Kee mower after its builder.They are very popular in the Southern USA they are built in a factory near Sarasota Florida. They are still built today. The older ones have horizotal shaft engines. This one had a 26" cut. The large rear wheel design makes it easy to push. And it can cut surprizinly thick grass with just the 3.5 Hp motor.If you hit something it al;so does less damage to the blade. I've seen a friends crankshaft from a Lawn-Boy mower that was broken after he hit a property stake.the new ones have vertical shaft engines but belt coupled to the blade. they are also self propelled-but doesn't need it. I used to have one of the newer ones with a 5Hp motor and you could disengage the self propelled drive and push it. I could push it with only 2 fingers!!It could cut thru grass over 3 Feet high!!And you ran the motor at just above idle speed. Someone stole the vintage one I had. Was fun to use.Kee is an old company.Also on the very old Kee mowers the "blade" was a bar that you boltewd sikle mower tooth "blades" to.These cut very well but were dangerous. If the bolts came loose or you hit something hard the mower tooh could get thrown out from underneath. Also a Company called "Roof" made such mowers. I've seen them as kid in tool rental shops in Florida. The whole front part of the blade is Exposed.They will cut thru almost anything but are dangerous. they do not make the exposed blade design anymore. Will not meet modern OSHA and ASI safety standards. Those were also belt driven.I don't know if Roof mowers are still built -can look up on the internet to see.
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Post# 33983-10/26/2003-21:58 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: The WP/KEN washers that I have taken apart have at lest about 2 inches of space between the bottom of the wash basket and the outer tub.....Maytag has about half inch at most.
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Post# 33984-10/26/2003-22:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: thats what I figured-I've only seen Maytag Mechansms twice.Yes they did start as a farm equipment manufacturer. They started building washers when sales of farm equipment was slow.One time I saw it while it was in spin mode.At a laundramat when their tech opened a machine while it was spinning-saw the rotating transmission and counterweight. don't get too close!!I prefer the slower longer agitate strokes-I think the circulation of water and clothes is better.
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Post# 33985-10/26/2003-22:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (G-forces)
MESSAGE: Thats true-the size of the spin basket makes a diffrence. Its related in Feet-per minute of the basket. The small one has to be spun faster to equate to a larger one spun at lower speed.I think the SpinX manufactuer calculated the RCF of their unit and was greater than any washer spin speed. It could extract an extra quart or more of water from the load.In my whirlpools the clothes spread to the sides of the spin tub except when you set the machine at "slow or gentle speeds"also the RCF of the Bock spinner(commercial laundramat unit) was even greater because of its very large spin basket.The RCF of it was even greater than the SpinX.The Bock spun at 1800RPM.
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Post# 33986-10/26/2003-22:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: I had a triple ac tion Kenmore-got rid of it-was lackluster and the mechansm wasn't very durable. Be careful with it. Do not overload it or wash sneakers in it. The plastic DD coupler could break.This could be a $20-$60 repair.Also the outer plastic tank is vulnerable to damage if the inner spin basket hits it from an out-of balance load. This happened to me.it was fixed under warranty.
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Post# 33987-10/26/2003-23:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: I see... What kind of mower are we talking about? What is Alamo's website address? Also, was the motor a gasoline engine? Maybe we should use email for this?...
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Post# 33988-10/26/2003-23:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (G-forces)
MESSAGE: With a full load whirlpools position the clothes fairly well, but at slower spin speeds or with less clothes, they get left at the bottom.
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Post# 33989-10/26/2003-23:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge)
MESSAGE: Ohhhh, the bottom. Ya that may be true, but also don't forget, whirlpool tubs and baskets go up into a dome in the middle using up wasted space under the agitator. Kind of like this
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Maytag's is just flat and it probably equals out if you take away the area of the dome shape and then add the extra space between the bottom of the tub and basket.
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Post# 33990-10/26/2003-23:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: Coupler is less than 20 dollars, takes 10 minutes to replace. The whole outer tub AND inner tub moves as a unit, yours must have had a loose spanner nut from the factory allowing the inner basket to wobble and hit the outer tub, normally even if the washer is out of balance, the inner basket does not touch the outer tub.
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Post# 33991-10/26/2003-23:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: TriStar is now offering their vacuums on a "90 days as good as cash" basis. I am starting to sell them on the side.I think a lot of companies do this when the economy slows down.
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Post# 33992-10/26/2003-23:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: Many washer techs have had problems with these on off balance spins. I have seen graveyards full of these--all with cracked outer tubs. I have talked to many techs about this and they condem the DD plastic tank design. One tech called them "toy washers"the techs say the out-of balance is a common problem.I watching it-when I had it the inner tub moved moreso than the outer one. Come to think of it the Kenmore 800 I just acquired has a system that shuts down the machine immediatly and sounds an alarm if it gets out of balance. Why couldn't they have done this with the DD design??The "800 " machine has got to be 30yrs old. It too-has an optional 2nd rinse-that you can turn on off with a switch.It works on the "normal" cycle.I still think and most techs feel the BD design is much better and more durable.I saw the DD carcassases in the graveyard of the shop I got the Kenmore 800 from.I got the Kenmore just yesterday(sat)and found it during a visit to the shop.There was even some newer Maytags in his Graveyard-didn't look more than a few years old.
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Post# 33993-10/27/2003-00:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: it is a flail mower-it is a form of rotary mower that has a large shaft with mounts that you attach the J-shaped flails to the mount with a small metal ring.There are two flails per ring mount -mounted back to back-J facing outward.The motor is a hydraulic motor-Common on other farm and industrial equipment that operates in explosive or flammable locations. It works from the hydraulic fluid pumped thru it under high pressure and flow(3000PSI @ 30GPM)The decks on this machine were each about 7Ft wide and overlapped about 2Ft. the total cutting width is about 10Ft wide. They website is Alamo Industrial.They make many types of large mowers and farm equipment.(primarily mowers)The pumps that provided hydraulic fluid flow were turned by the tractors engine.the tractor was a Ford or John Deere(Ive seen two of these machines)the engine horsepower of the tractor was about 150Hp.The mower is the Alamo "interstator" model-they even have schematics on it.another interesting thing about these-they use the mower deck as a heat sink for the return oil going to the resevior tank and pump to cool it. The fan action of the spinning flail blades cools the deck the oil lines are mounted to.Sort of clever.
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Post# 33994-10/27/2003-00:11 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: Almost every washer today (not a topic for here, sorry) has plastic outer tubs, Maytag, whirlpool, GE and frigidaire ALL have plastic outer tubs. The cracked outer tub is not nearly as common as you were led to believe. They can crack if the basket is not tightened down properly (not a fault of the design's, rather it was not assembled correctly) the outer tub "tabs" can break, although that hardly ever happens, one of the more rare repairs on these designs. I think the BD is better too, but when compared to other washers today, the DD wins it all. When you compare BD to DD, the BD wins it all. The reason you see so many of these machines dead is because they are everywhere. SO many people have them, I bet over 1/4 of the top loaders sold in the last 10 years where made by whirlpool, perhaps even more than a 1/4.
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Post# 33995-10/27/2003-00:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (First Top Loading Automatic)
MESSAGE: Maytag was still building them into the 80's-you could even order one with the gas motor instead of electric.
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Post# 33996-10/27/2003-00:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: How is it better??? Agasin Ive been to the three graveyards in my area and that what most of the "dead" are-and with broken tubs.With what I saw and have experienced-the DD design is very poor. It just does not perform indurablity and use.the rollover action in any of my BD Whirlpool Kenmore is Vastly better.Their short fast agitator strokes just don't cut it.also plastics can age and develop cracks(esp the translucent plastic the tubs are made from) I read this on websites on plastics.The clear and traunlucent grades age faster. The plasticizers leach out causing the plastic to crack.No I disagree the BD is vastly superior.-both in performance and durability.Maybe if the outer DD tubs were metal that would be an improvement!!the dead machines were mostly whirlpool built ones I saw very few of the others(just the Maytag ones-didn't aske how they died) also if they made the outer tub of non transparent plastic it may last longer-you don't see it anyway.
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Post# 33997-10/27/2003-00:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: first toploaders (1955 Blackstone First TLoad)
MESSAGE: The "home adjustment" were outlined pretty well in the manual.If the person had some technical knowledge he could do them. they showed how to clean the lint filter underneath,adjust belt tension.I think they even showed how to remove the tub.
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Post# 33998-10/27/2003-01:29 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: The color of the plastic has nothing to do with strength. I just disagree that DD machines are junk. Also, I never said the DDs were better than the BD in any way, I said the DDs were better than any other current design (especially GE's and frigidaire's)
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Post# 33999-10/27/2003-01:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: That's why they have been around for 20 years without showing any reason of slowing down.