The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 34000-10/27/2003-07:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Well, this is a new one on me. I've heard of undercounter, portable, and sink/dishwasher combinations, but a "Freestanding" dishwasher? Did any other brand offer this style?
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Post# 34001-10/27/2003-08:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: I knew about Maytag buying Magic Chef, but DIDN'T know about Magic Chef buying Norge. So does this mean that Maytag's "Atlantis" line (what's with the "sea" theme?) makes all the clanging noises that Norge made? Seems that wold be unacceptably noisy in Today's world of "quiet" major appliances.
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Post# 34002-10/27/2003-08:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: first toploaders (KM/WP Self Cleaning fiilter drain clogging)
MESSAGE: Yes, that is a disadvantage, in fact, I have an accessory lint trap that Sears offers in the drain hose of my LK. It's supposedly desinged to let the fine lint through, while catching the longer fibers(has a line of vertical slots, no horizontal bars). I guess it works, I don't have to clean it very often (about once a month), certainly not after every load, and my drain hasn't clogged, though I imagine drain clogging could be a probem in some households if the trap wasn't used.
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Post# 34003-10/27/2003-08:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: first toploaders (WP/KM spin tube)
MESSAGE: Actually, the spin tube doesn't slip, it's the clutch faces on the bottom of the tub and the top of the basket drive. And they seem to last for AGES, even with all the slippiing everytime the machine goes into spin. When I replaced the basket drive on my '78 LK just because I was already that deep into the machine, the clutch faces still had LOTS of "meat" on them after 25 years of HEAVY use. I was amazed.
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Post# 34004-10/27/2003-08:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: first toploaders (G-forces)
MESSAGE: That is not necessarily the case. The RPM's have a bigger effect on the spineffectivity than the diameter of the drum. BTW, the Unimatics spin at 1140rpm.
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Post# 34005-10/27/2003-08:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: They were backflushed during the Neutral drain and spin part of the cycle. The early ones were a canister mounted in the lower left corner of the machine. There were a couple of variations of that design. I remember seeing clear ones at Sears, hooked up remotely to a washer so you could see it work, like the Maytag dishwasher demo machines. In later machines it was mounted directly to the left side of the outer tub. Early machines also had a little light to tell you when it was filtering. The light was part of the agitate circuit, it didn't indicate if the filter was ACTUALLY working, only that it SHOULD be working at the time.
I've never run into a clogged Magic Clean filter in my repair experience, but I'm sure it must happen from time to time.
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Post# 34006-10/27/2003-08:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Freestanding dishwashers are quite common in Europe. I didn't know what I saw when I saw the American style dishwashers for the first time. I was more amazed seeing the 'naked' built in machines, overhere the built in machines have side panels.
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Post# 34007-10/27/2003-08:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore "800" washer (26"
flourescent tube)
MESSAGE: You may have to go to a old-fashioned type hardware store or a lighting dealer, but they're out there.
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Post# 34008-10/27/2003-08:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Bradford washers (they're MACHINES)
MESSAGE: Me, too, if it's mechanical or electrical, no matter what it is, I'm fascinated.
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Post# 34009-10/27/2003-08:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Good for you - I can't wait to see pics of it. Do you have a place that you can paint the cabinet to make it more presentable for it's stage debut? Keep us posted!
Greg
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Post# 34010-10/27/2003-08:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Many of the early dishwashers were available as freestanding units, Frigidaire, GE, Hotpoint, Kitchen Aid, Youngstown, Apex etc. I think Kitchen Aid was the last to make these, I remember seeing them in brochures although it might have been a "kit" to add the panels and top later on. They were probably popular in homes with older kitchens, next to a wall mounted sink or similar situations that a built-in wouldn't work. I have only seen one installed, a Kitchen Aid in a butler's pantry in an older home between the kitchen and dining room.
Jimmy (filterflo) has a Youngstown dishwasher on display in his basement like this...
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Post# 34011-10/27/2003-09:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: OK, this is my idea of the ULTIMATE washer. Feel free to offer your own ideas or add something I missed.
Stainless Steel tub and metal agitator of SPEED QUEEN
Spin speed, clothes turnover, and window in lid of FRIGIDAIRE
Ruggedness and simplicity of MAYTAG
Magic Clean filtering system of KENMORE/WHIRLPOOL
Instant tub brake, large agitator arc, and slow wash/fast spin option of NORGE/WARDS SIGNATURE
Sand disposal ability of WESTINGHOUSE
Anybody want to do this with dishwashers and dryers?
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Post# 34012-10/27/2003-09:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD (Freestanding dishwashers)
MESSAGE: So what you're saying is that they were sort of a "cross" between a portable and a built-in?
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Post# 34013-10/27/2003-09:29 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: I have to admit that when I saw the first dd kenmore washer I laughed! Straight vane short agitation stroke and spin & pump design told me that this could not be a w/p product. These early machines also had 'off balance buzzers' just like bd washers. But over the years the design has truly come into it's own. W/P and Kenmore have about 50% of the laundry market between them so they took a big gamble changing to a radically different design. If you think about it, W/P was the first to completely redesign their washer from the ground up to take advantage of newer technology and fewer moving parts. There are alot of unique things about dd washers. Deep narrow tub means a low center of gravity, so unbalanced loads are not that much of a problem. A grossly unbalanced load will usually break the bracket of the lid switch, hence the machine stops anyway. All in all, whatever goes wrong with a dd washer is usually very minor stuff. W/P's have always had unique designs in their laundry.
BD machines had strong trannys because all they did was translate rotary motion to back & forth motion. Spinning the tub was left to the superstructure. Unidirectional motor did not have to spin a tranny or start under a load. I could go on and on; Sorry!
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Post# 34014-10/27/2003-10:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
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Subject drift
MESSAGE: Why are we talking about DD WP on a thread on a notice for a Norge on eBay? When drifting from from the main subject of the thread, please start a new thread so we can keep track of the conversation. When replying to a comment, use the sub-subject field for quick reference.
And pros and cons of DD versus BD belong in the Sandbox.
-ph
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Post# 34015-10/27/2003-11:08 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Oh my, that design IS nearly 20 yrs old, isn't it? I swear it seems like yesterday I was looking at the new machines in the Sears catalog...and NOT liking what I saw.
My first contact with a DD machine was about three years ago. The house I was renting had a Kenmore 80 Series from the late 80's. It had a woodgrain console top and electronic temp control. I was somewhat thrilled by it. My parents have a deep tub Maytag and all through college I used standard tub coin-op Maytags. This DD was a bottomless pit by comparison. My landlady didn't know much about it, other than that she bought it second-hand from a coal miner. SO I imagine it was "rode hard" before she got it. I didn't pamper it either. It was sort of sad to watch its decline though. The tub was chipped and left rust marks on the laundry unless removed promptly. After a couple years the suspension pads were worn and the tub would list to the right (it actually leaned against the inside of the cabinet) while washing a full load. And then the basket drive wore out and clothes would come out fairly soggy. And the electronic temp control never worked correctly--"warm" was always pretty hot and cold was pretty icy. All in all, it needed about $300 in parts, so the landlady put in a new WP DD. I remember thinking that the "waterfall" fill was pretty dramatic looking, although when I would watch it spin (oh yeah--the lid switch was broken too--it would spin with the lid up)it seemed that the spray rinse would have been sort of ineffective. The waterfall seemed to just hit the agitator skirt and miss the clothes altogether.
The DD machines do have their own endearing noises. Mine, at least, made a TICKtickTICKtickTICKtick noise while agitating a max. load. Then there's the KLUNK of the spin mechanism engaging when the motor pauses after the neutral drain. Insteresting how they were able to hang on to that "feature" from the BD machines. And the slosh of the water ballast in the balance ring of the washbasket when braking to a stop.
With this machine, it seemed that an off-balance load would cause the suspension to wobble and prevent the basket from attaining maximum speed, but it never got so off balance to strike the inside of the cabinet.
Random tidbit: A salesperson at Best Buy (of all places) said he heard that there are upcoming EPA regulations affecting the manufacture of porcelain-on-steel that are difficult and/or expensive to meet, hence the phasing in of plastic or SS tubs. Maybe its true, partially true, or not true at all.
T.
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Post# 34016-10/27/2003-12:24 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: I think this is why WP/KM went to the four minute drain phase. Because a partially restricted filter could prevent complete pump out in 2 minutes.
MRB
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Post# 34017-10/27/2003-15:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Hi All! Here's a little history on Sub-Zero For all you SZ fans! n 1943, Westye F. Bakke built the first freestanding freezer in the basement of his Madison, Wis., home. A businessman with a keen ability to anticipate post-World War II refrigeration trends, he founded Sub-Zero Freezer Company just two years later in an old two-car garage. From its modest beginnings, Sub-Zero has become what is today: the recognized leading manufacturer of premium built-in home refrigerators.
Since its founding, Sub-Zero has pioneered quality products that meet its customers needs. In the mid-1950s, for example, the company developed the built-in refrigerator – a unit that changed the future of kitchen design by fitting within surrounding counter and cabinet space. Over time, the company has refined its early concept and has brought to market a comprehensive line of built-in models, including the 200 Series of undercounter models, its award-winning 500 Series, the design-flexible 600 Series, the integrated 700 Series, and, most recently, the state-of-the-art 400 Series of wine storage.
Unique to Sub-Zero and indicative of the company’s innovative engineering is its dual refrigeration system, which relies on two separate, self-contained cooling systems to keep fresh food fresher and preserve frozen food longer. Sub-Zero is the only refrigeration company to offer dual refrigeration.
For more than 50 years, Sub-Zero has offered innovative, aesthetically appealing and technologically advanced solutions to meet virtually any home refrigeration need. Through foresight and responsiveness, the company has earned its position as an industry leader – a position Sub-Zero intends to maintain well into the new millennium
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Post# 34018-10/27/2003-16:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
26" Flourescent lights
MESSAGE: (Waves magic wand)
BAM!
Get 'em
LINK: http://www.lightingsale.com/fluorf1tub26.html
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Post# 34019-10/27/2003-18:17 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
POD Question
MESSAGE: I have a Frigidaire spin tube dishwasher (1962). What is the difference between it & a turbo spray action in the POD. In the POD it looks like the water is spraying from many different directions & mine only has one spray tube in the center of the machine. Michael
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Post# 34020-10/27/2003-18:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: I do not believe so. The brake on the performa/atlantis is more like maytag's so it wouldn't make that loud CLICK sound that norges made.
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Post# 34021-10/27/2003-18:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: first toploaders (Maytag/Norge/Magic Chef)
MESSAGE: And they use the same drive type of system as maytag's dep. care design, no solenoids.
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Post# 34022-10/27/2003-18:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: first toploaders (WP/KM spin tube)
MESSAGE: That's what I "meant" when most repairmen replace the clutch, they replace the whole tube and basket drive together (much easier, if a little more expensive) I should have said clutch. Oh yeah, that's another problem our old BD had, the ears on the spin tube were sheared off giving it a not so nice "SCREECH, SCREECH-------screech, screech-------------screech, screech----------------------screech, screech" and then it stopped.
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Post# 34023-10/27/2003-18:27 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Can anyone tell me how long it would take for a complete cycle to go through in a vintage KA dishwasher , The single cast iron spray arm type. Also, what would be the model #'s of this machines, KA---to KA---. What year did they go to the X spray arm ? I am looking for one of these machines & just looking for info. Michael
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Post# 34024-10/27/2003-18:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: I would do it for dryers, feel free to change it as you please.
Support of Maytag HALO OF HEAT
Size of NORGE (I think?)
Huge lint filter like KM/WP
Moisture sensors like????
Smaller door opening like HALO OF HEAT for a more "vintage" look
I can't think of any more right now...
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Post# 34025-10/27/2003-18:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Probably a spring was stretched or broken, when the pads wear, the tub still stays center, it just flails around since nothing is there to slow down the movement (like a worn or dirty snubber on the BDs) When a spring is stretched or broken, the whole tub sits off to one side when it shuts off. All of these DD make that knocking noise during highest speed agitate, made me think it was a defective tranny the first time I heard it (it was radically different (not bad sounding though) from the smooth humming of the BD we had.)
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Post# 34026-10/27/2003-18:58 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
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RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: You forgot the tub light!
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Post# 34027-10/27/2003-19:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: model # LKE6700W1, does anyone have instructions as to the section of numbers on the timer dial and what they mean ??
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/Dryers&.dnm=%2763+WP+D+cntrls.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/Dryers%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 34028-10/27/2003-19:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, I think my KDS-15 in 1965 is the first year they went to the four way hydrosweep spray arm vs the old cast iron type, I think the cycle time is about an hour from start to finish ......... I will double check my manual. I think the models that your looking for are KD-14 and lower .........
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Post# 34029-10/27/2003-19:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: The ultimate clothes washer should wash, dry, fold, iron, and hang up the clothes all automatically.
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Post# 34030-10/27/2003-19:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: Worn pads on a DD will make it shake like mad. My old WP (calling a DD old because it was) used to do this. I thought this was due to the floor of my trailer but it was mostly the machine.
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Post# 34031-10/27/2003-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: I talked with a factory rep at Filter Queen and he mentioned this.We talked about the new translucent dirt container on the new Filter queen model. The formulations in the resin were different and to get the "transparent or translucent" it did sacrifice the plastics strength.I didn't know that until I talked with him.The new Filter Queen vac have the Blue or Blue-green translucent dust containers. It is kinda cool to see the debris you pick up twirling around inside.In some plastics the transparent or translucent grades cut down on UV resistence.(this shouldn't be a problem with washer tanks though. I would like to see them return to the metal tanks(stainless steel would be ideal)Very difintely the WP-KN DD machines are BETTER than the GE or current Frigidaire. I conducted an "autotpsy" on a freinds Dead GE we hauled to the dump-Its plastic transmisson was blown up-At least the DD unit had a metal xmission.the Filter Queen Vac's dust tank is a similar plastic to the WP-KN DD plastic outer tank.The FQ tech rep mentioned that FQ salesmen would stan d on the black plastic FQ vac tank to show the prospect how strong it is. He said that the salesmen are NOT to stand on the new translucent dust bins because it could crack or break.I have had a few FQ demos.
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Post# 34032-10/27/2003-20:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!!
MESSAGE: If I had to pay the repair bill on my KN DD machine it would have been $380!! Fortunately it was under warranty.I had the machine only one week.(outer tub damaged from out-of -balance load)the out-of balance load was a BIG problem with mine-glad I got rid of it.The Sears tech replaced both tubs-the outer one cracked-the inner tub lost its "balancing Fluid" that was sealed into the outer rim of the basket. He mentioned that the inner spin basket contained aa "fluid" to help balance the basket when the washer starts spinning.
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Post# 34033-10/27/2003-20:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: The tub size of the 20lb Norge, but make it stainless and solid
The agitation/spin system of a Kelvinator.
The glass lid of the ABC-Kelvinator.
The ball point suspension of the Philco.
The fill tube of the Frigidaire 1-18.
The timed dispensers of the Kenmores.
The lighted controls of the TOL Frigidaire 1-18 but in glass not plastic.
A fiber optic florescent tub light.
The frame of a Maytag.
The porcelain finished top and lid of the early Frigidaires.
The thick black cord with the flat plug of the OLD Maytags
The dependability of a Maytag!
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Post# 34034-10/27/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore "800" washer (26)
MESSAGE: There is a large lighting supply store in my area _I'll try them first-if not I try WW Grainger-they usually have all types of flourescent light bulbs.Sadly the old fashioned hardware stores kinda got swallowed up by Lowes and Home Depot.I know the bulbs are still made.I beleive some aquarium light fixtures use them.
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Post# 34035-10/27/2003-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: also how you "truck" the machine on a hand truck or appliance cart was critical. You had to cart the machine on the side Oppisite of the filter. If you loaded the machine on the cart with the filter side toward the truck you would crack or break the filter from the tub crushing it. I have seen this happen.
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Post# 34036-10/27/2003-20:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
thanks "steved"
MESSAGE: special thanks to "steved" for the Kitchen Aid and Maytag literature that you mailed to me ... ... -gregm
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Post# 34037-10/27/2003-21:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (AND...)
MESSAGE: NO electronics! All electro-mechanical controls with good 18 or 16 gauge wires being controlled by a mechanical timer.
But if this machine were to have electronics, let's have a built-in mp3 player with a Smartmedia or Memory Stick slot.
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Post# 34038-10/27/2003-22:49 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: NORGE SIGNATURE 2000 ON EBAY!! (WP DD design nearly 20 yrs old!?)
MESSAGE: That's what I said;
"the tub still stays center, it just flails around since nothing is there to slow down the movement..."
The tub is centered when the washer is off, but it has out of balance spins. With a tired spring, the tub sits off to one side when the washer is off AND it also causes out of balance spins.
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Post# 34039-10/27/2003-23:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Question
MESSAGE: Mike it's the same design. No difference. Although your 1962 model may have a little shower spray arm at the top of the tub, something the 1956 and on models didn't.
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Post# 34040-10/27/2003-23:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire dishwasher POD
MESSAGE: Yes, hotpoint, KA, Westinghouse, GE are ones that come to mind right off the top of my head. Probably others too.
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Post# 34041-10/27/2003-23:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Mike I think the older KA, like the KD14 or KD12 or KD10 had about a 22-28 minute wash cycle. Consisted of a purge/wash/2 rinses/dry. Dry was longer than the whole wash/rinse cycle.
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Post# 34042-10/27/2003-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Good to see you are back online Bob, did you get the new 'puter up and running?
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Post# 34043-10/28/2003-00:27 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
GE Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Today I saw my first GE Americana dishwasher.
I could not save it for I'm not a DW fan but can someone tell me more about this unit? It looked like it was a single arm wash and side mounted motor and I could not go looking into detail because of the rain and my co-worker wanted to get the recycling up A.S.A.P. and also, I saw a Kenmore Electronic Solid State Dryer, the push buttons was in the center and the cycle modifier was on the left side of it ya-da, ya-da, ya-da.... it was great to see with the extra large pull down door. If it was in better condition and was not rained on I may have taken him home....
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Post# 34044-10/28/2003-00:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Vintage KA dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes I did.
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Post# 34045-10/28/2003-06:29 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: Hmm...for dryers I could add:
* Stainless steel drum like Speed Queen/Amana
* High airflow like Norge
* Window door like Philco Bendix and Hamilton
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Post# 34046-10/28/2003-11:38 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Your post gave me the urge to check out the SZ website. Here's a link below that has a photo tour with some great vintage SZ units and kitchens. Glad to know there are other SZ fans. I'm nuts about my 632 even though it's not a classic - yet.
LINK: http://www.subzero.com/subzero/subzhistory.asp#
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Post# 34047-10/28/2003-11:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: I will make pictures soon and have them devellopped. No, I don't have a place for painting etc. but I'm not going to do that anyway. First thing to look at is the motor, this machine has been in an unheated garage for two years and it wouldn't be the first time that that has allowed the motor to rust out. Then I will have a look at the rest of the inside. My other problem is that I can't connect it to water and drain. Perhaps I should move it to the kitchen so I can hook it up there.
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Post# 34048-10/28/2003-12:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: I second that!! Again, here's the link to the Sandbox for all non-vintage major classic appliances topics, like modern appliances, lawn mowers, knitting etc. etc. etc. etc.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 34049-10/28/2003-12:18 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: Bill-Mo,
I would like to know if the washer sounds like a standard Kenmore belt drive or is it as loud as a Norge washer?
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Post# 34050-10/28/2003-13:23 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
1960 Maytag Clothes Drier
MESSAGE: does anyone know where I can find a 1960 Maytag Clothes drier? Im new to the group, any info would be great! Have a great day!
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Post# 34051-10/28/2003-17:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer
MESSAGE: Right, was Norge the design with the large blade fan in behind the drum (almost the same diameter as the drum itself!) And the fan pushed the airflow through the drum and through the lint filter? Unlike every other dryer that pulls the air through the drum, filter and element. It would seem that by pushing the air through would leave quite a bit of lint in the dryer cabinet (from escaping lint under pressure) unless it had good drum seals?
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Post# 34052-10/28/2003-17:25 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: I was wondering that myself, were kenmore/whirlpool compacts the same design as full size belt drives? I can imagine them jamming that huge transmission and all the moving parts in such a small space!
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Post# 34053-10/28/2003-18:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (year and make)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, i was wondering if those portable machines are whirlpool made and the year they were made. Thank you
Pat
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Post# 34054-10/28/2003-18:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (year and make)
MESSAGE: Hi Bill, i was wondering if those portable machines are whirlpool made and the year they were made. Thank you
Pat
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Post# 34055-10/28/2003-20:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier (welcome !!)
MESSAGE: Welcome "powerfin64" !! You could check the classifieds/for sale section here on the home page. You could also contact appliance dealers in your area and offer a monetary reward, most will not want to be bothered; but the smaller, family-owned type appliance dealers may be helpful and if you are able to build a repoir with them over time then even moreso. Estate sales are a great place to find old, vintage appliances as well. I am sure others in the group can offer other tips as well. Best of luck and don't get discouraged :)
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Post# 34056-10/28/2003-20:47 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Maytag Clothes Drier (welcome !!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Greg! I found this awesome group, due to "Bob",(appnut, THANK YOU BOB!!)
I just checked out your collection, and you have a maytag washer close to mine.
I have been looking where you suggested, but not luck, YET. Im hoping to get a collection started soon! (better late than never!)
Please keep in touch!
Rich
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Post# 34057-10/28/2003-22:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Checked your link to SZ website-very interesting-as mentioned in their website they designed refrigeration systems for commercial and industrial customers too.In the pictures of their household units the machines all have the similar appearence. You only see the front door and panel of the machine-the rest is in a nice custom built wood cabinet.It would also be that the machine is considered part of the house-sad-you can't take it with you if you move.I would love to have one-but I can't afford it.
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Post# 34058-10/28/2003-22:07 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Does your Keymatic have wheels?
Hoover in Aus made a feature that they were on wheels and had a hose storage area on the back of the machine. You could keep it on display in your lounge room and wheel it into the kitchen to play...
Do you have the hoses for it? the connections for hot and cold water use a smaller diameter fitting than modern machines. If the hoses are missing you might need to buy an adaptor from a plumbing supply shop. If you get stuck I might have a spare set of the hose ends.
If you don't have the fittings and want to get it working manually to try it out, you will find a vent outlet on the back just below the hose inlets. It is an angled plastic pipe. You can stick a hose down there from the tap and fill it manually, turn off the water when it starts tumbling.
Probably the first thing to check before you do anything is the tub-to-pump hose. They are an amazingly complicated hose with bits going everywhere - the pressure switches, the pump, the tub and a dead-end where it attaches to the cabinet. They rot out and are no longer available over here. To make one up out of other hoses would be possible but difficult.
If you find you need any parts let me know, I still have a small number of spares. (door boot, inlet valves, a couple of hoses, pressure switches, keyplates, maybe others)
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 34059-10/29/2003-07:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, apparently their repair record is poor.
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Post# 34060-10/29/2003-07:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (Ultimate Dryer Moistrure Sensors)
MESSAGE: GE, Maytag, and KM/WP all used moisture sensors that I know of, anybody other companies?
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Post# 34061-10/29/2003-07:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Ultimate Clothes Washer (Ultimate washer tub light)
MESSAGE: Who would you credit the tub light to, Maytag or the early WP/KM's?
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Post# 34062-10/29/2003-07:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ?? (WP dryer control numbers)
MESSAGE: If it's a moisture sensor or auto dry thermostat controlled machine, I would think it's the degree of dryness, with the higher numbers being More Dry.
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Post# 34063-10/29/2003-07:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: first toploaders (WP/KM Magic Clean filters)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, often if you "trucked" the machine from the right side and it had the Triple Dispenser, sometimes the tub would break that, too. Sometimes an unbalanced load would do it, too.
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Post# 34064-10/29/2003-07:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Subject drift (BD vs DD)
MESSAGE: Thing is, BD vs DD discussions theoretically wouldn't be "proper" in EITHER place, since BD's are "old, vintage" and DD's are "new, modern"
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Post# 34065-10/29/2003-08:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,
Yes, my Keymatic has wheels. But since it is on a stage it's a bit hard to wheel it to the kitchen. I might ask a friend to help me get it off the stage now and then. It also has the storage area. This model is the one with the blue control panel and the round window for the progression of the cycle.
The tub to pump hose is loose and I will have to have a look at it. It seems to be there and looks alright. This machine was used with cold water only so one of the hot water inlet is shut off. There is no hose with this machine but I will try another one as soon as I have the tub to pump hose reconnected. There are two keyplates, one is for cold water only and one is for hot and cold connections. The first one has black lettering and the other one red. The black one is in Dutch and the red one in English. The doorboot is quite new, it was replaced a couple of years ago by the former owner. He also told me that probably all the spare parts were still available through Hoover in the Netherlands.
Question: I find that the drum is quite loose in the cabinet, you can easily move it around, is that normal?
Thanks for your support,
Louis
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Post# 34066-10/29/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: Yes, the later compacts were basically the same design as their full-size sisters, just smaller. The main difference was that the belt is much smaller and of the grooved design like the newer serpentine belts used on cars these days, and like cars, uses both sides of the belt to drive the various pulleys. Also. the belt is tensioned the same way as modern cars, with a spring loaded idler pulley. A bit bitchy to work on, since the cabinet is one piece and must be unfastened from a base plate and lifted up, though supports are provided to set the cabinet on. The mechanism sits on rubber cushioned springs on the base plate which is at the bottom of the machine, instead of being suspended from rods attached to the cabinet like the full size machines. Cam bars and the wig wag are used as well. And they spin FAST!
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Post# 34067-10/29/2003-09:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (I have one!)
MESSAGE: I have a 1977 model that's currently out of service because of a broken spring but you're right. It's the WP transmission with a serpentine and it spins at about 850 I'd guess which was actually BETTER than the 550rpm spin of the full size machines. The portable's spin is comparable to about 650rpm on a Super capacity DD machine.
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Post# 34068-10/29/2003-15:35 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: I don't believe that dryer has an auto-dry of either thermostat or moisture-sensing design. The numbers likely correspond to load content and fabric weight -- light, medium, heavy, extra-heavy and so forth -- and is time-controlled, just not marked in minutes. Also, that cycle section on the timer probably has a 5-min cool down, whereas the cycle called "wash-n-wear" that is marked in minutes of drying time probably has a 10-min cool down.
You can kind of tell how long each numbered cycle runs by comparing the offset from the 'off' position to the timed markings on the w-n-w cycle.
My grandmother's 1972 Whirlpool dryer had virtually the same timer markings. There was a listing in the user manual of what load types match up with the numbers 1 through 6, but I don't recall the details. I do remember that 6 was for ex-heavy, and that might have been designated on the timer along with the number.
Some Whirlpool dryers had a brief instruction sticker under the lint filter lid.
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Post# 34069-10/29/2003-17:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Subject drift (BD vs DD)
MESSAGE: I know! We can split it and put the BD part here and the DD over there lol. But is it that bad to compare vintage to new? BTW DDs ARE over 15 years old... So technically I could talk about a 1983-1988 model:-) (OK, i'm ducking:-)
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Post# 34070-10/29/2003-17:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: They sound and probably look sweet inside, it doesn't seem like there would be many around? I never knew WP/KM ever had an idler on any of their washers, naughty lol.
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Post# 34071-10/29/2003-17:20 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (I have one!)
MESSAGE: The basket drive pulley must be smaller diameter right? I guess WP realised you can't have a narrow tub and try to spin any water out at 550 RPM.
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Post# 34072-10/29/2003-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: Question-how do you get it to work-the most user unfreindly login procedures-(yahoo)Might we move the sandbox to this site-would be much easier.
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Post# 34073-10/29/2003-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore 800 washer
MESSAGE: Got machine going to the way it should be-belt needed retensioning. Sometime durin g its life machine has new motor and transmission.Just need to replace the flourescent light.Will probably have to try Graingers for the bulb. The Lighting store didn't have it.
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Post# 34074-10/29/2003-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (KM/WP compact design)
MESSAGE: I used to have a "compact" kenmore washer and dryer. They came with a townhouse I bought when I lived in Wash DC area several years ago. The house was built in 1983. According to the realter the washer and dryer was put in by the builder. Other townhome units had them or the washer dryer "stack" unit.Mine was seperate units. The washer made the same sounds and actions as a regular belt drive WP-KN. The agitator in it looked like a bowling pin with vanes. I modified a dual action agitator I had and the washer worked much better.I took the dual action out and reinstalled the original agitator when I moved. The washer only held a little more than half what the regular size would hold. I called it the time and water waster.I bet you would use less water if I had a full size model.
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Post# 34075-10/29/2003-21:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Those compact washers were EXPENSIVE (over $400), more than an MOL full-sized machine. Most people would find the cost hard to justify unless they REALLY were cramped for space or HATED going to coin-op laundries or washing in apartment laundry rooms. Add to that the slow 110 volt electric companion dryer and you can see why they aren't that common. At least Wards compact dryer line could be set up for 110 or 220 volt operation, you just changed a connection and the cord.
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Post# 34076-10/29/2003-21:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: OK BOYS! HERE IT IS!!!! A FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR AND IT LOOKS TO BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE AND IT'S IN INDIANA! LET'S NOT LET THIS ONE GO TO THE JUNKYARD!!! MARK
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2355727848&category=20712
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Post# 34077-10/29/2003-22:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans!
MESSAGE: Excellent site and history of the Sub-Z. I'll bet that room-sized aluminum model was a sight to behold!
I have a 550 in my kichen that I love, it's nice to know some of it's heritage - thanks for the link!
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Post# 34078-10/29/2003-22:02 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: I don't know where you got the info that Sub-Zero repair record is poor, but I'm afraid that is not the case. They are also one of the EASIEST fridges to repair. Since the unit is built in, everything is easily accessable from the front. Too bad other manufacturers don't make note of this. Mark
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Post# 34079-10/29/2003-22:20 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's
MESSAGE: I would kill for that dryer! It is so cute! and it is a ventless! It would be so perfect for my Kenmore Portable! I am sure that it is fixable. I might just ask if I can get that dryer!
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Post# 34080-10/29/2003-22:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Dryer instructions ??
MESSAGE: I don't think this has "auto-dry" sensors either, I think its like my 1960 Kenmore where you set the timer to the letter depending on fabric, like what you said ........... etc .... I just ordered a new timer for it, new blower belt and think its allset, it runs great and is quiet ......... thank you and kenmore1978 for your replies :)
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Post# 34081-10/29/2003-22:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: whirlpool washers of the 50's (helpful pics)
MESSAGE: yes they do , thanks ........ I have the same type agitator in my ' 63 Kenmore washer that a friend of mine is redoing for me up in VT, he put in a new pump, tranny, belt, basket drive, spin tube, bearings, and some other parts too ......
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Post# 34082-10/29/2003-22:36 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
question for Robert (unimatic1140)
MESSAGE: my 1961 WD-61 Frigidaire Washer, do you remember my asking a couple months ago about the "rapid agitation" and it keeps popping out the reset button, you said if I remember correctly, that the "drive-pulley" clutch ??? is stuck in spin ??? < terminology ?? and that you would have to dig through your books, but you were moving a the time I asked. - thanks again, can you let me know, or are you not settled yet and the books are still buried ........ ? If you need more time, no prob, I can ask you again down the road if you rather, take care and thank you -gregm
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Post# 34083-10/29/2003-22:43 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Just like cell phones and laptop computers, more care and design is put in to make things smaller so you pay the higher price. Too bad, I haven't even seen the insides of a compact belt drive (on the net or in real life) If anyone has pics let me know please:-)
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Post# 34084-10/29/2003-22:44 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: That looks so cool, might this seller be a collector? The flair looks to be in EXCELLENT condition, not even a speck of grease or anything on it, thumbs up.
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Post# 34085-10/30/2003-00:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: I could go along with that on price-for fun I checked the prices of "compact" washers and dryers while I was living in my townhome "just in case" since the area in the house was too small to hold a regular size washer and dryer. They were available at the time(mid to late 90's) from Kenmore,Whirlpool and Maytag. they were priced more than standard models. the stores there had them in stock(even Sears)the area was Manassas Va. they were lots of townhouses there so there was a good market for such machines. I haven't looked at the mechanism of the machine I had.
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Post# 34086-10/30/2003-00:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: In my townhome-had no choice-fortunately I didn't have to replace mine. The area in the house was sized for the compact machines. In the apartment houses I used to live in the landlords prohibited tenants from installing their own laundry machines. None of the aprtmants had Washer dryer hookups of any sort. At best you could use a Hoover Washer,dryer and cleverly hide them when not in use. The compact dryer I had in the townhouse did run off 220V.
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Post# 34087-10/30/2003-00:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: Can the fridge unit be removed from the wood cabinet it is built into easily? That would sure facilitate easy repair.You would think the reapir record one these would very good since many were also used by commercial users(resturants)
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Post# 34088-10/30/2003-00:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: That explains why laptop computers are more expensive to buy and to repair than tabletop ones of similar features.The components are much smaller in them-the designs are more expensive.Cell phones are expensive-but disposable. I think before long we may have several old cell phones lying in the desk drawer from phone services you switch over from to another. I have one in the desk drawer already-would be a shame to throw it away--still would work.Ohe yes-I too would like to see the mechanism of a compact washer.
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Post# 34089-10/30/2003-01:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (Barbie Laundry)
MESSAGE: At one time, the dryers were available in 120v, 240v and even gas. I saw a KM set of these the other night on my appliance rounds. The dryer was gas and the washer was a DD - both in the fab color "Toast"
Sears used to carry several models of these, a Lady Kenmore (I think Jason's is a Lady) a step down model with 1 speed and a low end model, semi-automatic that was filled with a hose - no water valve.
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Post# 34090-10/30/2003-01:18 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: I want to see one of those, just to see how they squished everything in there, like a FWD car.
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Post# 34091-10/30/2003-01:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Exactly, only recently has diskman prices gone way down (due to MP3 on the market) I assume cell phone prices will go down eventually. But since there isn't much market for compact washers, they probably will stay fairly high priced. Did Maytag or GE make compact washers in the 70s or 80s? It would seem their (especially Maytag's) design would be a snap to make a compact.
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Post# 34092-10/30/2003-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (Barbie Laundry)
MESSAGE: the one I had was a Kenmore-Just a smaller version of a full size machine-It did have a gentle cycle and variable water level.
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Post# 34093-10/30/2003-01:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: Since the machine I had was built in the early 80's it was belt drive. I don't know what mechanism the Maytag had. It was at the Maytag dealer in Manassas. The Kenmore and Whirlpool models were direct drive as I recall(what the salesmen say)I didn't look under the display models at the stores.
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Post# 34094-10/30/2003-01:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (number of compact machines sold)
MESSAGE: the markets for compact washers and dryers is limited-primarily the markets for these are in or near big cities where people live in townhomes,condos.that would definitly explain their higher prices. Can't find ANY in the area I live in now. Even trailers that people live here can be used with regular sized machines.
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Post# 34095-10/30/2003-03:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: I never experience problems with Yahoo. Once you have mae a profile and subscribed to the group you don't even have to go there again, you can put your settings to individual emails. In that way you get all the postings in your mailbox and can answer them like you do with emails. If you want to start a new topic you simply send a new email to the Sandbox group.
Moving the Sandboxto this site makes no sense. It would take up space here which would cost money. There are actually several people paying for keeping this site up. Paying for space for discussions that don't belong here in the first place would be rather odd, don't you think?
Louis
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Post# 34096-10/30/2003-05:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Consumer Reports Frequency of Repair record
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Post# 34097-10/30/2003-05:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Portable Kenmore's (compact washer hookups)
MESSAGE: The KM compact I purchased in 1972 had a single inlet faucet hookup hose combination like a portable dishwasher. The TOL models had 2 inlets with temp controls and could be converted to permanent hookup if needed. If TOL model was set up for portable operation, one of the inlets was blocked off and the temperature control had a "Manual" position that you left it in all the time.
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Post# 34098-10/30/2003-07:21 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hi Louis
Yes, the drum is very "loose" inside the cabinet. It is suspended only on a cable and two very long and soft springs.
The cable attaches to the tub on each side, it goes to the back of the cabinet, around some pulleys and across to the other side. The cable of course can't stretch but the two springs can, so as the tub fills with water the centre of balance changes and the tub tilts back inside the cabinet.
There are no shock absorbers or friction sliders as you would find on other front loaders, so on spin the soft suspension allows the drum to jiggle around quite a lot without the cabinet vibrating at all. It is a very successful feature of the Keymatic. As it is on wheels there is no ability to level the cabinet, so you might expect it to misbehave on soft or uneven floors, but in fact the Keymatic is one of the best machines I have ever seen for not moving or vibrating on spin. If it does get off balance the tub hits a lever attached to the main on/off switch and turns the machine off. And the spin is very good for such an old machine, too. I think it is 750 rpm, the clothes come out quite dry so maybe it is faster than that.
I hope you get it working, you will have a lot of fun if you do. It is great to take off the back panel and watch it all happen!
You said the tub hose was loose, do you mean disconnected or just that it moves around? It is normal for it to be free to move around a bit, as the tub jumps about a bit when spinning and the hose has to move with it. The mounts where the hose attaches to the body have some flexibility.
Maybe you need a ramp to make it easy to move the Keymatic from the stage to the kitchen?
Have fun.
Chris.
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Post# 34099-10/30/2003-10:03 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero)
MESSAGE: The problem with moving these fridges is that they are quite large AND HEAVY....and there's no need to, since everything is so easy to get at up front.
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Post# 34100-10/30/2003-10:13 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: I always get a kick out of Consumer Reports. What they don't report is how many of these fridges are still running. While there may be GE/FRIG/WHIRL/KEN/ADMIRAL etc.. fridges running from the early days, they really are quite rare. The Sub-Zero dealer in this area is a very good friend of mine and his father got into the business in 1948 and he has taken it over now. I would say that just about every house in my area is equipped with SZ's and they're STILL working just fine. Not only that, but the trend around here is when the homeowner tears down their home to build a spectacular mansion, they SAVE those sub-Zero's and their Thermador ovens and re-install them in their pantry. There's lot's of those wonderful SZ's from the late 40's and 50's still in use. Tom also has a list of people that want the older models when someone does decide to not reinstall them! I have three Sub-Zero fridges/freezers and a clear ice that was installed in 1989 and has never had a service call and I really don't think that I'm an exception here. Tell THAT to CR. Mark
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Post# 34101-10/30/2003-11:54 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: That's pretty cool that people want the old SZ's to install today. They'd be perfect for achieving that mid-century look. I can't comment too much about the frequency of repair since mine's only five years old (never a service call). I can attest to the apparent ease of servicing though. Every 3 months as I was instructed at installation, I open the service panel on the top and vacuum the condenser. It's a piece of cake. Plus it's kind of cool to check out both compressors etc. There's so much space up there that it would be very easy to service. The largest dealer in this area told me the only reason I'd ever need a new fridge is if I got tired of it (unlikely since the factory stainless is a pretty classic look).
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Post# 34102-10/30/2003-14:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (frost-free, no thanks.)
MESSAGE: I have 2 friends with Sub Zero fridges. One is an ancient one that has never required service. The other one is about 8 years old and is a dog (switches, timer heaters etc.).
Personally, I dislike frost-free friges. Too much electricity, and everything has to be wrapped air-tight or it will dry out.
My 1951 GE two-door is quiet, energy efficient, and well insulated so it only needs defrosting once a year. The temperature is so consistant, that milk is still good a week after the expiration date.
That's why were here in this forum after all, we believe the older stuff is better (and it is!!!)
Ken D.
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Post# 34103-10/30/2003-15:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,
I bought a plug and put it on the cord of the Keymatic today. I connected it and ran the spin cycle, it is working wonderfully. I can't believe how silent this machine is. I wondered when it would start to spin after it started pumping, but it was already spinning! Ofcourse this was without any laundry in it so I can imagine it is louder when it's loaded with a full load, but I was very much amazed.
The tubhose is disconnected and I saw a loose hose hanging, but I'm not sure if that is the hose from the tub to the pump or from the pump outwards. I need a closer look on that, but that will have to wait for now. For the time being I'm happy with this result, at least the motor is working fine. Quite amazing actually that after two years in a unheated garage the motor isn't affected by the humidity.
I'm absolutely in love with this machine!
Louis
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Post# 34104-10/30/2003-15:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home
MESSAGE: Hello Chris,
I bought a plug and put it on the cord of the Keymatic today. I connected it and ran the spin cycle, it is working wonderfully. I can't believe how silent this machine is. I wondered when it would start to spin after it started pumping, but it was already spinning! Ofcourse this was without any laundry in it so I can imagine it is louder when it's loaded with a full load, but I was very much amazed.
The tubhose is disconnected and I saw a loose hose hanging, but I'm not sure if that is the hose from the tub to the pump or from the pump outwards. I need a closer look on that, but that will have to wait for now. For the time being I'm happy with this result, at least the motor is working fine. Quite amazing actually that after two years in a unheated garage the motor isn't affected by the humidity.
I'm absolutely in love with this machine!
Louis
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Post# 34105-10/30/2003-16:45 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Subject drift (Link to the Sandbox for off topic discussions)
MESSAGE: Ya, the point of the sandbox is to keep wasted space off this site, so I will be quiet about wasted space.
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Post# 34106-10/30/2003-18:12 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT:
Look what I won!
MESSAGE: I am so proud of myself! The first thing I ever tried to bid on on e-bay was one that looked just like this! But then someone bid $47.00 which was too high. It was green and in worse shape though too. This one is white and in great condition, plus I only paid ten bucks! If you can't get the whole machine, get a model of it. What am I talking about? See and find out.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=2354994722
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Post# 34107-10/30/2003-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: SZ fridges MUST be good if people tear down the house-save the SZ and reinstall it in their new home!!It is too bad you can't take it with you when you move!The design sounds excellent. Two compressers-Is one for the freezer section and the other for the refridge section?That's nice you can service the unit without having to take it out of its custom cabinet that wass built around it.sounds like its the has the easist to clean condenser of any fridge!!
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Post# 34108-10/30/2003-20:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The ones still going-the fridges people put in the garages after they put the new one in the kitchen. That would be interesting to know how many "garage" fridges are out there and what kinds.I suppose those folks who install the "recycled" SZ machine in the pantry-I would guess they install a new one in their kitchen. WOW-how much food do these people eat??From looking at the pictures of SZ units it would appear these hold more than a standard fridge. Did SZ make some models with a glass or transparent door?I have seen pictures of fridges in home magazines that are built in like the SZ but have transparent doors.
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Post# 34109-10/30/2003-21:29 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home (Louis - Sounds like you are having fun!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Sounds like you are having so much fun with your Keymatic.
That really sounds like such a cool machine! I thought so the first time that you posted pictures of your brochure.
I bet that you can't wait to do the first load!
Can't wait to see your photo's.
Glad you found your Hoover!
Brent
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Post# 34110-10/30/2003-23:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Your right, one compressor for the fridge and one for the freezer. I assume they are both small compressors, if they had 2 normal sized compressors, the run time would be SHORT and the energy efficiency would go way up. However they are huge fridges so maybe they do have 2 regular compressors?
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Post# 34111-10/31/2003-00:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Oh yes-with the condenser coil and heatsink up top-figure it would collect LESS dust and dog and cat hair than one mounted on the back or bottom of the cabinet.Does any of you SZ owners know what the capacity of the SZ fridges is? From picturs I've seen of it in magazines and website link it appears to be a smaller commercial-institutional size fridge.One of those would certainly hold more than enough food for me!I have not seen one of these machines in person. I don't know anyone who has one.If it has two compressoers-does the unit run off 220V?It would seem that it would be too much of a load for 120V unless you used one of the old type 30A outlets.
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Post# 34112-10/31/2003-00:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The Frequency of Repair record is not CR's opinion, it's taken from a survey of the owners of Sub Zero and other brands of refrigerators. So though some people here don't have a high opinion of CR, in this case it's not their call, they just compile the information.
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Post# 34113-10/31/2003-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: I think that's done because Sub Zeros are EXPENSIVE, so it's worth it to save it and re-install it.
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Post# 34114-10/31/2003-00:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: I picked up a Frigidaire WCD-65 tonight and the motor hums but if you grab the tub and turn it will kick in and start to agitate, but it appears to want to spin and agitate at the same time.... regardless of whether the timer is in the wash/rinse or spin sections, same thing ..... new timer needed ??? This machine is turquoise and in excellent condition, I cannot believe I sold the matching dryer a little over a month ago, hehehe .........
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Post# 34115-10/31/2003-01:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: Refrigerators don't actually take that much power to run, one 15 amp 120 volt circuit could easily run 2 refrigerators if not much else was on the same circuit. My 23 cubic foot GE top freezer only draws 6 amps. That means you could run THREE of them on a modern 20 amp 120 volt circuit with amps to spare.
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Post# 34116-10/31/2003-01:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: By the scale of the machine-by the coin-laying beside it-the machine appears to be the scale of dollhouse furniture. I knew someone who collected all kinds of furniture and appliances for her dollhouse. I built one dollhouse for her to put her things in. She didn't have a "washer or Dryer" for her houses-she was mostly into furniture.She still has one of ther dollhouses and still collects-Will mention the minature washers to her.
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Post# 34117-10/31/2003-01:09 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Well I really hit the jackpot yesterday !! In addition to the turquoise WCD-65 I found yesterday, I also found a 1966ish GE combo W/D, my first combo find, white in great shape, a '57, I believe, Lady Kenmore washer in good shape and I still can't believe it, but to find a 50's Bendix combo W/D in near mint shape except the boot around the door is rotted, dried-up and all cracked, from what I could read on the model I think it said FCR or CFR, model 10 or 6 ???, I will be going back to pick that up tomorrow, god only knows how I will get it off my truck, not only is it huge being around both three feet wide and tall, but 29" front to back and weighing at least five hundred pounds. I will probably store this in the back of my folks garage and cover it. I will take pics and post as soon as I can. Best wishes everyone.
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Post# 34118-10/31/2003-01:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: You know-it would seem if these folks have THAT much money to tear down the house and build a new one instead of remodeling the old the price of even a SZ fridge would not matter much to them.It would be that the price of the house is a whole lot more than the fridge. It is great that they are reused.
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Post# 34119-10/31/2003-01:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: Further on the reapir record subject, I suspect that the problems reported with ANY brand of refrigerator these days is not with the actual refrigeration system, but with the auxiliary equipment (thermostats, ice makers, switches, relays, defrost heaters, fans, and such) That's what people are probably reporting Sub Zero as having more trouble with than other brands.
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Post# 34120-10/31/2003-01:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: Further on the reapir record subject, I suspect that the problems reported with ANY brand of refrigerator these days is not with the actual refrigeration system, but with the auxiliary equipment (thermostats, ice makers, switches, relays, defrost heaters, fans, and such) That's what people are probably reporting Sub Zero as having more trouble with than other brands.
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Post# 34121-10/31/2003-01:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: This is true- especially since the efficiency of refrigeration compressers has improved-along with more efficient refrigerants.WP-KN claims they now have a refrigerator that draws no more than 100 W to run it!! Would like to see the refrigeration system in this one!!I'am going to look on the nameplate of my newer Kichenaid box to see what it draws-its about 3Yrs old.
I think manynewer models draw less than 6A.
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Post# 34122-10/31/2003-01:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: What people may actually be doing is "re-modeling". This is what's happening to a house down the street from me. The way loans are set up, a "re-modeling" loan has much more favorable interest rate than a "new construction" loan, so people will tear down the house leaving just a little portion of the original house and build a whole new house around it. The percentage of the original house left determines whether it's a new construction or a remodeling loan. If someone has taken out a loan, I'm sure they'd rather spend the money on some other feature of the house rather than replace a perfectly good Sub Zero refrigerator.
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Post# 34123-10/31/2003-01:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: there is a gentleman in my area who gets $90.00 an hour to fix sub-zeros, none of the "appliance repairmen" around here no how to fix them .......
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Post# 34124-10/31/2003-01:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: WOW-good hunt-lots of luck with them-must be exciting!!
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Post# 34125-10/31/2003-01:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I'am in the wrong business-he gets paid more to fix the SZ than for me to fix $750,000 SW transmitters!!
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Post# 34126-10/31/2003-01:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: That makes sense-Or they can spend the money they saved for a new SZ box and install the old one in the pantry? I don't think I'am going to be that wealthy to worry about those problems.
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Post# 34127-10/31/2003-02:02 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: However, when a manufacturer puts in a motor or other device, they have to account for the device's MAX. amp usage (so for a compressor or motor, this would be the amount of amps at the motor's stall) If the compressor cannot stall, it pulls much more than 6 amps (probably up, possibly over 15) I would bet SZ fridges have two smaller compressors (4 amp maybe?) I know compressors have an overload switch, but what if that failed? The fridges wiring would overheat, possibly catching fire before the CBer tripped.
This is all speculation, maybe SZ have 2 regular compressors and even if both couldn't run at the same time it wouldn't be past 15-20 amps, I don't know for sure.
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Post# 34128-10/31/2003-02:03 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: So possibly SZ just has 2 higher efficiency compressors like other fridges have (of course others only have one)
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Post# 34129-10/31/2003-02:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: How many hours does he get though? This is like the Doctor VS Plumber thing. If he gets 5 hours a week, then he is hardly making a jackpot. I, for one, have never seen a SZ in my life and no one I know has even heard of them.
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Post# 34130-10/31/2003-02:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Sub Zero and Wolf
MESSAGE: So I see Sub Zero bought Wolf Appliance, so now you can spend those Big Bucks in one place!
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Post# 34131-10/31/2003-05:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Hmm, I thought only Norge used the "Burp-up" lint filter system. Looks like a neat washer, anyone have one?
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Post# 34132-10/31/2003-05:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (E-mail address)
MESSAGE: E-mail sent to the address in your profile bounces.
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Post# 34133-10/31/2003-06:11 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks alot Rex :)
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Post# 34134-10/31/2003-07:35 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Greg, this is DEFINITELY YOUR YEAR! Savor it to the hilt dude!!! I can't tell you how many times I've seen this happen through the few years we've all be together like this. One guy will have incredible luck for a year. And to think it all started big time with the inspiration of the August, 2001 convention in Minnie. PeterH, Steve 1-18, Don in Minnie, Gansky, Luigi, Mike in the UK, and you. Plus Uni and Jetcone have continued to trip across stuff too. And the others I've not mentioned here that are also in the back of my mind. Those that were already collecting and those that started since the conventions.
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Post# 34135-10/31/2003-08:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: Jamie,
Congratulations! I know people who only collect miniature washers. Ten dollars is a bargain.
Louis
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Post# 34136-10/31/2003-08:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Keymatic comes home (Louis - Sounds like you are having fun!)
MESSAGE: Thank you Brent. Running a first load will have to wait for a while but running the spin cycle (my favourite part!) was really exciting. I regretted so much the previous time that I couldn't get it, but then I didn't even know what a wonderful machine this is.
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Post# 34137-10/31/2003-08:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Wow!!! That really is hitting the jackpot. Is the GE combo working? Is it one with the controls on top or on the front?
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Post# 34138-10/31/2003-09:19 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Nothing like living in an area of the country that has basements! Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 34139-10/31/2003-09:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This is one of my dream machines. I love the HUGE consoles and the spiral ramp agitator. This is definitely a machine that needs to be a TOL model to get. The washers are tough to find but I come across the dryers now and then. I bet GregM finds one before too long...
-ph
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Post# 34140-10/31/2003-10:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it sounds more like transmission problems to me. Sounds like the mechanism is binding somewhere and turning the tub gives it a kick start.
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Post# 34141-10/31/2003-11:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: There are some tension springs on the rollers that help pull them in contact with the driver or push them away from the driver depending on the direction of the motor. Could be the springs are broken or missing, causing the rollers to remain in contact with the driver and bind it. Depending on the condition of the machine, it could be a good candidate for a roller transplant.
-ph
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Post# 34142-10/31/2003-11:48 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Design)
MESSAGE: The 632 model I have is about 29 cu ft capacity. Though I don't know the draw with both compressors and the shared condensor fan running, it's rated on 679 kw/yr or $56 on on the energy label. It is 115 V on a regular 15 amp circuit that plugs in as a regular fridge. It just requires a high mounted outlet.
One of the key benefits of the dual compressor design is that each evaporator runs at a different temperature / moisture combo. That allows the freezer to be cold and dry vs. the fridge being cool and moist. Food stays fresher in the fridge side as a result of the air not being mixed. Your ice never takes on any of the fridge characteristics (smell/taste) either. That's kinda of cool since the unit has a superb ice maker.
I better shut up now or the Sandbox police will get me. Happy Halloween folks!
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Post# 34143-10/31/2003-15:43 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Look what I won!
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR WIN!!! THAT's A LOVELY MAYTAG model AM or AMP! I have a REAL one of these that I can't wait to restore! Mark
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Post# 34144-10/31/2003-15:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: The S-Z fridge, remember, is only 24" deep so it can be built in and be flush mounted with the cabinets (which are standard 24" deep). While it looks like a really big fridge, the looks are quite deceiving! And yes, it is bigger than most fridges.
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Post# 34145-10/31/2003-15:47 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ....the compressors are sized for the compartment and are on the smaller side.....
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Post# 34146-10/31/2003-15:48 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ....the compressors are sized for the compartment and are on the smaller side since they are dedicated to a particular cooling requirement.....
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Post# 34147-10/31/2003-15:51 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: ...the compressors are 110v 15Amp circuit....and some of the models have the compressors on the bottom just like a regular fridge. Still VERY easy to clean the condenser fins....
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Post# 34148-10/31/2003-15:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: Very true. Folks that own S-Z's don't worry about the money.
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Post# 34149-10/31/2003-15:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I'm surprised! The Sub-Zero is THE easiest fridge to repair. Perhaps the repair people in your area have heard of the legend of S-Z and are just afraid.
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Post# 34150-10/31/2003-18:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero poor repair record)
MESSAGE: That's what I was guessing:-) Thanks for reassuring (now I don't have to "guess")
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Post# 34151-10/31/2003-19:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: The GE combo has the controls down front like "jetcone's", thanks, I don't know if its working or not, the boot is good, and it looks to be in very good condition ..........
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Post# 34152-10/31/2003-19:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (thnx Peter)
MESSAGE: Thanks alot Peter, yea, I am so excited .........
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Post# 34153-10/31/2003-19:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (bad or missing spring ??)
MESSAGE: I am hoping that maybe the spring that holds the spin roller back is gone or bad ?? I have no clue whereas I have not worked on a rollermatic at all. When it does agitate it seems to agitate smooth and fine, it just tries to spin BUT SLOWLY at the same time ......
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Post# 34154-10/31/2003-19:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (yes, I think so too BUT ?)
MESSAGE: Peter thats what Bruce Savery told me as well, and what I responded with to Robert's previous post. Do I have to break down the whole machine or can I replace the rollers and springs via access through that small back panel ??? without having to pull the tub, bellows, etc. ........
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Post# 34155-10/31/2003-20:37 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (yes, I think so too BUT ?)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
You will need to lay the machine over on it's side or back in order to get access to the mechanism. That's what I did when I did the pump and rollers on my 66' rollermatic. The rollers come out easy but you will need to remove pump cover to do all of them. I could not find any info. in my Tech Talk manual on this but I will look more closely.
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Post# 34156-10/31/2003-22:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (thanks)
MESSAGE: Thank you Bruce for the help .....
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Post# 34157-11/1/2003-09:40 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (new toy)
MESSAGE: hey greg glad to hear you found another awsome frigidaire washer youll get the problem solved and she will be running just like new in no time i have the same washer here but its in white and she runs like the wind its a shame you dont have a match dryer for her id love to sell you mine but its white ha ha have a great weekend always chris
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Post# 34158-11/1/2003-14:07 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
they really dont want to die
MESSAGE: does anyone else out there seem to think that these machines have some sort of sprit? its funny all my kids seem to have their own they just want to live and live especially my 62 frigidaire washer after everything she has been through she just wants to go and go but im very happy about that
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Post# 34159-11/1/2003-15:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Congratulations, Greg, you have struck again!!! Great finds..... I never realized that Massachusetts was such a hotbed of great appliances....
On a different note - if you come across an extra crossbrace, I could use one for my WCD 61. The crossbrace on the one I found was completely rusted through. I figured with the luck you have been having, you will probably find one long before I do. Much appreciated!!
Regards,
Anthony
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Post# 34160-11/1/2003-19:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ??
MESSAGE: Thanks Anthony, and I have not forgotten you and am still keeping an eye out for a "cross-brace" ......
Regards, -gregm
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Post# 34161-11/2/2003-12:08 ||| Pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: First - Wow, this is a great site!
I'm having a little trouble pressing a (big) Philco/Bendix Duomatic Washer/Dryer back into service. This is really my first experience with a vintage appliance and I'm facinated already. The water condensor really blew me away... after being blown away by the dampeners and the massive cast iron weights on the drum houseing! I guess they really don't build em like they used to!
I've gotten through most of the stupid problems like leaks and old hoses that like to burst. The problem I'm having now is on the dry cycle. The (single) test shirt got burnt after about half way through the dry cycle. At first I thought it might be because of the lack of clothing in the dryer, but then I started looking at the thermostats. Although they were both operating correctly, they appeared to have been changed from original. The service thermostat is a LD180 type (180 degree), which seems awfully hot.
I'm tempted just to put the lowest available thermostat in there as I'm in no particulair hurry to get my cloths dry, but does anyone know what they should be set at? Or was it just the one shirt wash?
One last, less pressing question for DuoMatic experts: some arse stole the (lint?) filter from my machine. How heavy was the filter? I'm thinking window-screen type material.
Thanks, I would really appreciate any advice!
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Post# 34162-11/2/2003-12:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ......
MESSAGE: Incredible! Can't wait to see pics...
The Bendix combo is a 1956 if the model number is CFR, does it have a small door on the right front side that lifts up for the controls?
Door boots have been found for these, I believe through Dexter.
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Post# 34163-11/2/2003-13:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig WCD-65 agi-spin PROBLEM - help ?? (bad or missing spring ??)
MESSAGE: The first rollermatics used a different type of tension springs on the rollers and they frequently broke. Later replacement rollers had the spring built into the mounting bracket. You could also have clutch adjustment issues as well, this would cause a slow spin too. Sounds like it needs a good going-over!
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Post# 34164-11/2/2003-13:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: they really dont want to die
MESSAGE: You are right although I've picked up a few 1-18's that were nearly begging to be put out of their misery -- and being the kindhearted person I am, I put them down with the grace and dignity deserving of a great washer. ;-)
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Post# 34165-11/2/2003-13:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: What model of Duomatic do you have?
I think you might be right about the single item in the dry cycle, I have a '53 Duomatic and rarely need to run the dry cycle much longer than 30-40 minutes for a full load. If your model has a circulating fan in the condensing system, you might check to be sure it's working properly. Not sure what lint filter you mean, is this the drain screen or something connected with the dryer?
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Post# 34166-11/2/2003-14:00 ||| Pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reply - I really appreciate any infomation. I don't have the model number with me here - I'll get back to you on it this evening. It has no circulation fan that I'm aware of (no indication on the schematic, and no seperate motors I noticed). It looks like a '58 or '59 model from what I gather from this site.
Sorry, the filter is the drain filter. You get to it from the service hatch in the front of the machine. Since it's a condensing type dryer (I didn't know these existed) I take it it traps lint as well?
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Post# 34167-11/2/2003-18:20 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT:
I am still here
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I am still here, just been very busy at work and still coping with a lot of domestic rubbish. All is well here, my Hotpoint t l is great I no longer need to hover over it in case of an o,b,s it washes better than the old one did it spins with out a fuss as long as I keep to the same type of articles to wash, It runs extreamly well. So I am a very happy bear, regards to one and all hbmuk
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Post# 34168-11/2/2003-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Design)
MESSAGE: The energy draw of the SZ box seems to be not much more than a standard box. The daul compresser design could contribute to the efficiency. The seperate compresser for freezer and fridge compartments makes LOTS of sense. As well as the compartments isolated from each other.I beleive the areas in most homes where the fridge is put has the high mounted outlet. It seems the cords on most fridges is short. The outlet height may be a NEC code requirement.I like the idea your icemaker is isolated from the fridge compartment-I use my ice in Vita-Mix drinks a lot.I looked on the nameplate of my 3yr old kichenaid fridge-marked as 6.5A-New machines (according to their ad copy) draw less.I would have to imagine the compressers in the SZ box draw about 3-4A each.The condenser fan or blower motor probably draws less than 1A.
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Post# 34169-11/2/2003-19:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This one DOES appear to be a nice washer-better than the ones they build today for sure-After seeing a lot of the vintage machines in the PODs-would need a LARGE basement or a huge laundry room. In the area I live we have no basements. If you did it would be full of water. I do have a large laundry room.Could hold a few machines-I have to be choosy.It seems the washers of yesteryear were much nicer than ones today.Thats another one that uses a spiral or "ramp" type agitator.The one I was most famaliar with was a "roto-swirl"
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Post# 34170-11/2/2003-19:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sub Zero and Wolf
MESSAGE: Thats convenient-You can buy the fridge and range from the same vender.I see lots of "Wolf" ranges in restuarants.
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Post# 34171-11/2/2003-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: I guess it would depend on the area where the tech is located-If he is in the "wealthy" section of a large city or town would do well. I wonder if he works on other machines as well.I guess SZ isn't marketed in Canada? That may be the reason. And too if they don't break much than its the "Maytag tech syndrome"I don't know where the SZ distubiter is in myarea-Probably Raleigh or Charlotte NC.
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Post# 34172-11/2/2003-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: this is true-the motor manufacturer calls it the " Locked rotor" current draw. This especially applys to motors used in compresser applications.Also most newer refrigeration and air compressers have "unloader" valves to ease the amount of effort the motor needs to turn them at start up-thus making the motor draw less current(unloaders usually work by closing a valve that goes to the compresser air or refrigerant intake)Many compressers have fuses in the power input to blow if the OL breaker failed. Some have fusable wires going into the compresser housing as a "last ditch protection)this applies to the hermetic compressers most appliances use.In normal use the "locked rotor" current is for such a short period of time that OL devices aren't tripped.In one event I had to repair a unloader valve for a 60Hp air compresser-It wasn't closing the intake when it tried to start-tripping the motor OL.After repair it was fine.
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Post# 34173-11/2/2003-20:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: and yes, your correct, it does have a door to the right that covers the controls, with a lever underneath that you slide to open the door, that would be AWESOME if I could get a boot through Dexter ....... thanks again :)
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Post# 34174-11/2/2003-20:18 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
1953? Kitchen Aid DW pulled today
MESSAGE: Thank you "jetcone" Jon Charles, for all your help with me pulling a 1953 ? Kitchen Aid DW from that womans house. Needs some TLC aesthetically, but still works :)
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Post# 34175-11/2/2003-20:41 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: Hi the duomatics are very unique. I have a equator that I like, but it's to bad they didn't continue and further the technology from years ago. I bet those machines would sell like hotcakes today. It's sad that we have to import our combos when years ago they made them here!
Welcome to the club
Peter
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Post# 34176-11/2/2003-21:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Agreed, they had a lot more style. As well as a lot more features and toys.
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Post# 34177-11/2/2003-21:26 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: If you want to make the OL on a fridge trip, turn the fridge off and turn it on again within 30 seconds, the compressor shouldn't start (instead it should go "mmmmmmmmmmmmm, PING" The overload trips if you try to start a compressor too fast after it has shut down.
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Post# 34178-11/2/2003-23:51 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I haven't tried the experiment with my fridge most AC and large refrigeration compressers have a time delay circuit built into the Loading-unloading valve to prevent this. The relay opens the circuit to the compresser if it was "rapid Cycled" by fault or a user. the TD is set anywhere from 2-5Min.This would allow the "head pressure" to disapate.Older AC and refrigeration equipment was vulnerable to this-in extreme cases it would blow the compresser and or motor.
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Post# 34179-11/3/2003-00:12 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: I actually think the "state of the art" of appliances was acheived in those days as opposed to now(at least for washers) Too bad washer buyers today can't appreciate those features and quality since it isn't offered to them. I think if the washer makers STUCK with the classic designs they would be better off.M ay mean less machines in the landfill or "graveyards"-as well as the metal baler.Have seen too many newer model machines in graveyards (or in the case of one dump I visited) waiting in line to go the infamous recycling appliance-the white goods baler.You know-maybe when people discover the merits of older machines-the demand for them may go up-you'll see people shopping for machines at those second hand stores or estate sales.
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Post# 34180-11/3/2003-00:24 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: also another reason the "head pressure" devices were used was to protect the compresser and motor in case of momentary power failure.This is another instance of "rapid Cycling"
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Post# 34181-11/3/2003-00:31 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Remodeling vs teardown)
MESSAGE: Actually you would think it wouldn't be that much different than any other fridge.I guess they have some "traits" unique to them.
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Post# 34182-11/3/2003-00:35 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (CR refrigerator Frequency of Repair Record)
MESSAGE: This is a good point-usually Hermetic compressers used in most refrigeration equipment are one of those remarkable devices-some say they wear "in" rather than wear out.Yes I have seen some hermetic compressers run for DECADES without attention(those really old fridges)Could also apply to some AC systems as well.
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Post# 34183-11/3/2003-00:44 ||| Gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Duomatic)
MESSAGE: Hi,If you need to know ANYTHING about a duomatic ask me I know all.I own 6 of them A 1953,1956,2-1958's,1966 & 1998. And they are all in great working order. Also I have an EASY combo.Glad to help let me know. Thanks,John
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Post# 34184-11/3/2003-00:59 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I don't know how residential fridges do this, but not all of them have it (both ours have it though, a 20+ YO GE and a 10 YO Norge.) I was at a hotel with an admiral that did not have this safety feature (You could turn the fridge on and off and it started and stopped even after only waiting 10 seconds.)
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Post# 34185-11/3/2003-01:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Too many people junk an appliance simply because it is green or has woodgrain. The appliance works perfectly well and with a thorough cleaning, could look new again, yet they just junk it for a new one. The consoles and cabinets of todays appliances are too boring and blah, vintage appliances had lots of stuff to look at instead of white.
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Post# 34186-11/3/2003-01:09 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: This is true and it is sad-The machine could have a "second life" in another home-instead of being junked.Yes,by people like us that appreciate older machines-and would be used and enjoyed.If the machine ends up at a "second hand "store it gets recycled. If it is traded into a dealer after the person buys a new one-the machine gets junked even though it still works and is perfectly good. Most dealers want to sell NEW machines rather than old ones.I've heard of some that advertise they will "dispose" of your old machine even if it still works!
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Post# 34187-11/3/2003-01:15 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (refrigerator power draw)
MESSAGE: I bet household style fridges don't have the "head pressure" OL-mainly found on large refrigeration compressers and large Air condioning compressers.The high head pressures could linger longer in large systems than a small compresser such as in a household size fridge.In a small compresser system the head pressures dissapate quickly-such as within 30sec.
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Post# 34188-11/3/2003-01:19 ||| Tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Thats another factor-to me the beatiful colors are also attactive-rather than the boring white and or stainless steel look that is common today. I don't mind one or a few stainless look appliances-but too many and your kitchen looks like a hospital laboratory. I don't consider this "homey"The colorful machines give a "home" look rather than the stereile look-I guess lots of people like that.
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Post# 34189-11/3/2003-01:42 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: The duomatic should not burn the clothes at all. It is possible that the wrong therm. was put in the machine, but I doubt it.They ars suppose to get pretty hot so the condensing is more efficient.My suggestion would be to first start by adding 1 gallon of vinegar to the machine while it is filling ,and let it sit over night to clean any lime build-up from the machine.Let me know what the model# is so I can see which machine you are dealing with.Door& soap boots SHOULD NOT be ordered from Dexter,Because These items were made for bolt down machines.Neither boot has the fold that is required for stretching and pulling during spin cycle.Hope this has been some help. John
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Post# 34190-11/3/2003-02:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Our kitchen appliances are either almond (fridge, stovetop, dishwasher used to be) or black (wall oven, microwave, dishwasher is now)
I simply flipped the door panels in the dishwasher to change the color, it looks like a modern 00s dishwasher now:-) Without having stainless. I like older dishwasher interiors also (not plastic or stainless, but PORCELINE) if we ever get a new dishwasher (that WON'T happen when I am living here.) it had better have a porceline interior (hard to find these days, we would have to get an older dishwasher)
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Post# 34191-11/3/2003-06:48 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
53 KA DW ??????
MESSAGE: Hope you share some pic's of this 1953 dishwasher . You are getting a fine collection . Michael
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Post# 34192-11/3/2003-07:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Well, Kurt, Sub Zero is sold in Canada
LINK: http://www.subzero.com/subzlocator.asp
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Post# 34193-11/3/2003-07:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (head pressures)
MESSAGE: In my experience, household fridges usually trip the compressor OL attempting to re-start 2-3 times if short cycled before they manage to start up again. Usually transpires within 5 minutes or so.
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Post# 34194-11/3/2003-07:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD (Stainless Steel look)
MESSAGE: I don't think people like stainless so much because of its "sterile, clean" look, but rather the "professional restaurant kitchen" look so they can feel like they're Emeril or some other famous chef when cooking.
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Post# 34195-11/3/2003-08:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Poppy POD
MESSAGE: All I can say is WOW!
The 70s were so awesome!
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Post# 34196-11/3/2003-12:36 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poppy POD (Poppy POD )
MESSAGE: this is a great set
my aunt had a poppy set 1/18 also
the console was slightly different
a '74 set
what a Pair
Peter
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Post# 34197-11/3/2003-12:38 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poppy POD (Poppy POD )
MESSAGE: actually the pod is about 76 or 77
Peter
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Post# 34198-11/3/2003-13:14 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: Model# CE-734-C
Thanks! Fortunetly both the door and fill boots are in excellent shape. This machine got preserved in a kitchen as a built-in where it sat unused for years, until the owners finally did a renovation. The only other problem I'm having with it is a leaky condensate water solenoid causing the condensate water to continuously drip when off. That problem is more easily solved.
All the drum housing that I can see (through the lint trap and the soap fill) appears very clean, but I'm sure a good cleaning won't hurt.
I tried a full load last night, and although it washes very well, it burned another shirt. I let it run on the dryer for 20 minutes and then stopped it. Not once during this time did the thermostat trip, so the timer never advanced at all. The timer is stopped until the 3 pole thermostat trips. The dryer seemed to be very hot at this point (the outside of the drum felt to be about 160+ - too hot to hold your hand on). So I 'modulated' the heater a bit by disconnecting it and letting the machine run some more. Anything that dried quickly (shirts, etc) got burnt while socks, etc, were fine.
The reason I'm suspicous of the thermostat is that it is very clear that both the service thermostat and the limit thermostat have been replaced in the past. The service one is a LD180 (3 pole) and the limit is a L205. If you open the door partway through drying there's no question that there's plenty of steam. The clothes at the 20 minute mark are far too hot to handle, unlike anything you feel in an air blower dryer.
Otherwise - it's probably the nicest washing machine I've ever seen. Never before have I sat and watched as my clothes were washed. But what's up with that interruped cycle before the final spin? It sounds like it's trying to kill the motor! Since it's on the schematic, I take it that it's supposed to do that...
Thanks for your help!
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Post# 34199-11/3/2003-13:21 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter. The very concept of being able to load a single machine once, walk away from it, and return to find dry clothes amazes me. It's also a shame that most consumers won't accept a quality built machine like these anymore. I suppose that's half of what fires our interest in these old machines.
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Post# 34200-11/3/2003-13:27 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 53 KA DW ??????
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, It may be awhile before I post pics, this machine is working but in fair condition, the porcelain interior is all shot, I am not sure how I will handle that, maybe marine paint, or some type of epoxy paint, the front exterior needs repainting as well which is no big deal, racks are in excellent condition surprisingly to me. Usually the racks are bad but the interior is fine, as with my '65 KDS-15; which I just bought new racks for. I also need to replace the gasket around the hot air dryer vent in the back. Best regards, -gregm
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Post# 34201-11/3/2003-13:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
KA may be earlier than ' 53
MESSAGE: there is no detergent dispenser in the door, and no det disp at all for that matter, the silverware basket is missing too, the timer calls for one wash followed by two or three rinses and a drying period, thats it ..........
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Post# 34202-11/3/2003-14:24 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo???
MESSAGE: Did you boys notice the lint fileter is missing from the washer? How could that have happened??? Mark
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Post# 34203-11/3/2003-14:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo???
MESSAGE: It's a Bed of Nails filter. Our girl was trying to clean it by rapping it firmly upside down on the counter, but she just had her One-A-Day vitmamin so she struck it with more brute force than usual, breaking it in two. Better that she did this instead of dropping it accidentally into the tub and ruining her Jet Code Agitator.
-ph
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Post# 34204-11/3/2003-14:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: The other thing about the pic is that the lid is open but not lying flat. Must be a haunted 1-18 and the lid is levitating...
-ph
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Post# 34205-11/3/2003-16:04 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Greetings everyone! Just saw this and thought of all of you wringer fans. You might want to take a look! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2356191892&category=20714
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Post# 34206-11/3/2003-16:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Electronic set on EBAY!
MESSAGE: ....here's a wonderful Kenmore electronic set! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2356993232&category=42232
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Post# 34207-11/3/2003-16:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: She's a witch!
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Post# 34208-11/3/2003-16:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Did you notice the stick with the "fingers" on the end for grabbing clothes out of the water? I would bid on just that! The washer is beautiful, but I'm out of room...
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Post# 34209-11/3/2003-16:58 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (same Philco, different day)
MESSAGE: This same washer shows up about every 6 months in the Chicago area. I think people bid on it, get it home, decide it's too big for them, so they relist it.
-ph
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Post# 34210-11/3/2003-19:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Huh? What did I ask???
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Post# 34211-11/3/2003-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: How long does the Duomatic wash-dry cycles take? Maybe folks don't want to wait. On quality-it is not offered to consumers anymore.It does sound like an interesting machine.Yes the idea of dumping your dirty clothes in it and detergent-then return and find them cleaned and dried. Sounds pretty neat.
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Post# 34212-11/3/2003-20:12 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT:
RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (That is the same model that I have!)
MESSAGE: That I sthe same one that I have! It is just in a different color, the lid is weird to me but the lint filter is definetely missing, it is not a be of nails but it is a screen, those otend to be much bulkier, they tend to fill and clog with lin a lot faster too.:-)
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Post# 34213-11/3/2003-20:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic Clothes )
MESSAGE: How long does the Duomatic wash-dry cycles take? Maybe folks don't want to wait. On quality-it is not offered to consumers anymore.It does sound like an interesting machine.Yes the idea of dumping your dirty clothes in it and detergent-then return and find them cleaned and dried. Sounds pretty neat.
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Post# 34214-11/3/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Used the link for curiousity-the nearest SZ dealer in NC is Charlotte NC.
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Post# 34215-11/3/2003-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: If you are going to hunt for a new DW-You will most likely find the plastic or SS tubs. My Kichenaid(WP built) has the SS tank.I would like to have one of the HOBART built KA washers.I've noticed that builders in my neighborhood used a lot of KA washers in the homes in my area.I am lying in wait for the "kill" in case one shows up on the curb!!It would be worth fixing up.In the three homes I've been in my neighborhoodthey all had older KA machines-and the homeowners say they still work.In modern machines I feel SS is the most practical material over the plastic tubs.Plastic develops "age cracks" from the very hot detergent laiden water found in the DW.that will sure leach the plasticizers from the plastic!!When those are leached out the plastic cracks and leaks.I am also going to ask around-if someone replaces one of these "classics" I will offer to buy it off them.The homes in this area I live in were built in the early 70's.
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Post# 34216-11/3/2003-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD (Stainless Steel look)
MESSAGE: This is true-they want to mimic their favorite "TV" chef.You see a lot of the SS machines as working "props" on TV cook shows.Keep this up we can buy our kitchen furniture and appliances from Fisher Scientific supply co.As you may know in the professional kitchen the SS appliances and furniture are required by some sanitation codes because they are easily "steam cleaned" or cleaned with strong detergents to sterilize them without damage.The same applys to the hospital lab.
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Post# 34217-11/3/2003-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: She's levitating the lid with her magic mystic powers--She doesn't need the lint trap because witch clothes generate TOO much lint and would clog it!! I'AM GOING TO WASH YOU AND YOUR LITTLE DOG TOO!!!! -to quote a very famous TV-movie witch! Neat looking washer-dryer though.
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Post# 34218-11/3/2003-21:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: That what I was thinking, if between plastic and SS, I would definitely go with SS but I would rather porceline over SS any day.
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Post# 34219-11/3/2003-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Yes the porceline is nicer-will have to look for it in a vintage machine.-and hope it isn't abused by things being dropped on it-chipping it.I guess it can be repaired or redone by those folks that do the reporcelineling of bathtubs?it sounds like porceline finishes are very expensive these days.
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Post# 34220-11/3/2003-21:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Yes the porceline is nicer-will have to look for it in a vintage machine.-and hope it isn't abused by things being dropped on it-chipping it.I guess it can be repaired or redone by those folks that do the reporcelineling of bathtubs?it sounds like porceline finishes are very expensive these days.
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Post# 34221-11/3/2003-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: that is a very unusual washer-yes the clothes "stick " is interesting-couldn't you just fish them out with your hands?I had never seen a double tub washer like that.Cool color!I'll save it for the wringer collectors out there. I would think someone could give it a home!!-and its clothes stick also.You would think someone would offer those sticks today. Might be useful if the water is REALLY hot.
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Post# 34222-11/3/2003-21:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (same Philco, different day)
MESSAGE: Sounds like it makes its "rounds"
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Post# 34223-11/3/2003-23:16 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic)
MESSAGE: Let me know what the model# you have.I have alot of material on these machines. Yes there is a reason that your machine pulse spins before the final spin. It is so the clothes do not stick to the cylinder during the drying cycle.Pretty clever huh.Also to keep your boots in good condition you need to spray silicone on the inner sides of both boots.They come from the factory that way.You would be surprised to see how fast the friction wears small holes ,which turn into tears when not lubricated.Glad you are enjoying your machine.Oh and by the way you can order a new lint tray from dexter.Take care, John
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Post# 34224-11/4/2003-00:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Also that stick may be useful for recovering clothes that fall behind the washer or dryer.Sometimes they like to fall back there!The more I think of it -I want one.
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Post# 34225-11/4/2003-01:46 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: You should have seen the crap that fell behing the Maytags at work. Towels, golf balls, bags etc. Not to mention some nice gooey grease from the brake all over the cement. I used two golf clubs to pick up the towels that fell behind.
Also, today I watched CSI miami and towards the beginning, the clean up crew (a hurricane hit) was moving a maytag dryer, you can only see the top, side and a little bit of the back. It was gold, and was definietly a dependable care dryer with the center timer (the blower outlet was not at the top left on the back and the back was solid with grill openings all over it, like the dep. cares.) I have seen quite a few washer commercials also. One about the downy ball, it has a whirlpool running and the woman runs down to pour in the fabric softener for the rinse and another commercial that I didn't catch much, again whirlpools (it seems these are the standard washers for shows and commercials? Either that or Maytag. CLR commercials have whirlpools in them too.)
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Post# 34226-11/4/2003-01:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Yes - I remember the stuff that fell behind(or was dropped there by producers and engineers)When I was on the demalition crew phase of renovating studios where I worked before-You would find stale peterified pretzels,Jammed carts,Old 16" transcription recordings,(16" rewcords used before cart machines)dried potato chips,melted candy,dust bunnies,ETC-ETC. Wished I had a stick to fish these with.Also LOTS of dead mice and rats.I was dreading the moment when I pulled the consoles from the wall. Some of the stuff was worth saving and historical(the transcription recordings)the consoles (audio mix consoles) had been there since the early fifties. Also those cool old "coke" bottles. cleaned up most of the debris with the "Spencer" vacuum cleaner.That was made in 1939.Worked real well. Most of that other horrible stuff got thrown into the "ram-Jet" compactor.
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Post# 34227-11/4/2003-04:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (unused duomatic)
MESSAGE: So I take it there was another set of laundry machines that the owners used while the Duomatic just sat there? If so, that's really strange. Is it gas or electric?
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Post# 34228-11/4/2003-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53 (no detergent dispenser)
MESSAGE: If the first wash is the main wash, then a detergent dispenser isn't really needed. I remember when the directions on detergent used to say "if your machine doesn't have detergent cups, place 2 tablespoons in bottom of machine."
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Post# 34229-11/4/2003-05:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!! (Philco Twin Tub)
MESSAGE: Wow! Never seen a machine like that before, really a good idea. Would speed things up considerably
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Post# 34230-11/4/2003-05:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: You said you had never seen a Sub Zero fridge, so I just noted to you that they are sold in Canada. You'll just have to find where the "rich" folk are there. :-)
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Post# 34231-11/4/2003-05:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Philco Duomatic cycle time)
MESSAGE: Combos do take quite a while to go through a cycle, whcich makes them impractical for large families or people who let their laundry build up. Their main advantage is the space issue, with the no clothes transfering issue being a secondary advantage. Also, the water & detergent savings of being a front loader.
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Post# 34232-11/4/2003-05:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS)
MESSAGE: So who was the last company to use the "plastic over steel" tubs? Or is there a company who still does it that way? My 62 Kenmore 600 (D&M)top loader has a FLAWLESS pink plastic-over-steel interior.
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Post# 34233-11/4/2003-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Dexter)
MESSAGE: So what is this "Dexter" company all about?
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Post# 34234-11/4/2003-08:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (witch)
MESSAGE: Best looking witch I ever seen.
Harley-Davidson broom made for two.
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Post# 34235-11/4/2003-12:15 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (unused duomatic)
MESSAGE: You take it correctly. There was a small problem with the washer when I got it that was related to the replaced thermostats. My guess is the owner's had some guy fix it, after which it broke again, so they gave up on it. It was in their kitchen, and the two newer units were in their basement. The washer isn't very big, so I take it that was part of it.
Your also right about it being strange - but so was the house. Nothing seemed to have been done since when it was built. Flooring, even the interior paint was never changed. Everything was kept up very well - I guess they just liked it as it was.
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Post# 34236-11/4/2003-12:42 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (duomatic Model# CE-734-C)
MESSAGE: Gyromatic -
Sorry, I posted the model number in my last reply to you - but it's easily overlooked. So: Model Number CE-734-C
OK - that's good news about the lint filter. My workaround doesn't look very good. And it filters lint worse than it looks.
Ohhhh, I get it about the pulse spin. That actually makes a lot of sense then. I thought it might be some selling feature. It does sound impressive. I should have known - the designers of this machine seemed to be working on a whole other level...
Thanks for the warning about the rubber parts. I'll give them a good soaking in silicone right away. The first load I ran through without the top on and the service panel open. That thing _moves_ on it's (turbine like) spin cycle!
I can't think of any other cause for the problem I have with it. The heater can't be any hotter than normal, and I know the thermostat trips (it did with the single shirt test load). I forgot to bring a thermometer with me so I don't know if the thermostat is accurate. But the second thermostat (205 degrees) has never tripped. Oh - both thermostats are the modern "Thermodisc" type. Clearly (from how it mounts) the original main thermostat was something a little bit different.
Thank you very much for your time.
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Post# 34237-11/4/2003-13:09 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: P.O.D. Notice anything about the photo??? (The lid too)
MESSAGE: I guess the artist was bouncing up and down watching that Jetcone go and got caught up in the spin cycle that he got dizzy thinking it was a Kenmore when he was drawing this Picture.
Toil, toil, bubble and trouble, drawing this Frigidaire got the artist in trouble!
LOL
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Post# 34238-11/4/2003-16:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53 (no detergent dispenser)
MESSAGE: thanks, that is helpful to know ...
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Post# 34239-11/4/2003-17:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic
MESSAGE: OK, here's the link to the pictures of the Keymatic and the scans of the manual that came with it.
The proud owner
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Post# 34240-11/4/2003-17:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (link)
MESSAGE: Forgot the link. Duh!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/lst?&.dir=/Hoover+Keymatic&.src=ph&.begin=9999&.view=t&.order=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/foraloysius/lst%3f%26.dir=/Hoover%2bKeymatic%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 34241-11/4/2003-18:27 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Yes, LOTS of dead mice at our place too, one decided to crawl and die next to the dryer, ewwwwww. Other than that most of the stuff was just junk, nothing else stinky...
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Post# 34242-11/4/2003-18:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: Oh right I forgot about that. I could probably find a couple around here no problem, I live in a newer part of the city but not a "rich" part. Most people here don't have very elaborate kitchens.
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Post# 34243-11/4/2003-20:02 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Filtrator Dryer Help
MESSAGE: I don't think that I ever really took notice before, but both my DV-65 and DCI-58 dryers only have one element heating. Aren't both elements to heat at the same time? I seem to remember GregM asking this same question a few weeks back about his dryer. Are these elements available anywhere? None of the parts places on the net have the #5429923 element listed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Post# 34244-11/4/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: In my trade-mice just love transmitters and transmitter sites.They get fried in side the variuos types of Tx's I ve worked on. The High voltages inside vaporize them or blow them to peices. Disgusting to clean up. Snakes have a thing for wrapping themselves around and in AM Tx site phaser coils. the smell they make as the RF fries them is unmistakable.At another AM site-the weirdest thing was someone tried to steal the copper feedlines from the ATU (antenna tune unit) to the tower base.Peices of skin were hanging from the last feedline as all the transmitter power was going to that last tower.I know from expereince RF burns are PAINFUL!! For this "OUUCCHH"I bet that perpetrater will leave Tx sites alone!! At another site-that we manned-the mice loved to live in the base of an old GE fridge where its compresser was-One engineer tried to shoot them with his pellet pistol-was lots of dents on the base of the fridge. Don't think he hit them. He got fired for those efforts of extermination.
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Post# 34245-11/4/2003-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS)
MESSAGE: I wonder what type of plastic they used-Interesting it lasted that long.I didn't know that was done-never seen that before.One some of the curbside dishwasher "autosopsys" I have done the all plastic tub was cracked causing leaking-the owner then throwing the machine out and getting a new one.The machines I'de seen were typically less then ten yrs old-mostly GE-hotpoints.I don't know if companies still use that process. I think the porcelean on steel finishes are getting too expensive for most makers to use.Also uses a lot of acids(to etch the metal so the porcelean will adhere to it) to solvents to wash the metal to "degrease" it.The porcelean won't stick to that either. Then the porcelean has to be baked in a very hi temp kiln.This would use a lot of energy.
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Post# 34246-11/4/2003-21:21 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Beautiful KeyMatic)
MESSAGE: Nice find Louis ,I am booking my flight now!!
Jetcone
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Post# 34247-11/4/2003-21:22 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1953? Kitchen Aid DW pulled today (Real Good Deli)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg: it was fun to get down and dirty Sunday! And thanks again for the deli lunch! We found a good spot!
jon
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Post# 34248-11/4/2003-21:25 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Dishwasher Rack Coatings
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what a company like Hobart coated their dishwasher racks with? Was it called "Plasdip"?? I would like to recoat my racks to preserve them. Any thoughts on this would be welcome.
jet
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Post# 34249-11/4/2003-21:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Sub-Zero fans! (Sub Zero Canadian Distributor)
MESSAGE: I haven't seen one in person either-The nearest distributer here in North Carolina is in Charlotte. Thats about 300 miles from me. It seems that SZ machines aren't real popular here. You would think the MANY deer hunters around here would like one though-would be good to store all that deermeat.I guess most folks in NC don't want to spend that kind of money on a fridge.
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Post# 34250-11/4/2003-21:57 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Duomatic John, What a collection!)
MESSAGE: John,
You collection sounds so interesting! Sounds so interesting about your Bendix collection! Tell us a little more about them and how you saved them.
You have a working Easy combo? That is way cool! Tell us more about the history on it. (where you found it, what kind of condition, what you have done to it, how it performs)
Can you be so kind to upload some pictures for us?
I bet you have so much fun every washday, and you save up lot's of laundry!
Brent
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Post# 34251-11/4/2003-22:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
That machine is in great shape! I never thought that the boot would be that big. I would love to watch one of the keymatic's wash.
In the manual it talks about the different settings that you could use, and how for dainty fabrics you could have a tumble only without the impeller. I am so interested to know with a full load, and water how far back does the drum tilt? I mean, it would have to quite a bit for the impeller to have any impact on the load right?
I would agree with you that your machine is in such great shape. I bet you got goose bumps when you saw it in person for the first time!
Thanks again for all of the great photo's. I can't wait for you to run a load through it the first time, and give us a detail.
Do you know Louis if these were ever on the US market?
Brent
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Post# 34252-11/4/2003-22:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
That machine is in great shape! I never thought that the boot would be that big. I would love to watch one of the keymatic's wash.
In the manual it talks about the different settings that you could use, and how for dainty fabrics you could have a tumble only without the impeller. I am so interested to know with a full load, and water how far back does the drum tilt? I mean, it would have to quite a bit for the impeller to have any impact on the load right?
I would agree with you that your machine is in such great shape. I bet you got goose bumps when you saw it in person for the first time!
Thanks again for all of the great photo's. I can't wait for you to run a load through it the first time, and give us a detail.
Do you know Louis if these were ever on the US market?
Brent
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Post# 34253-11/4/2003-22:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher Rack Coatings
MESSAGE: Ilooked on the internet and found several appliance parts suppliers that sell dishwasher rack repair kits. The kit has a small bottle of vinyl base paint and Vinyl "nipples" to put on the ends of rack tines. The kits I saw came in White,Grey or light blue. In looking at these it seems like the racks are coated with a Vinyl based paint or coating. I would think these kits could be worth a try. I think the kits averaged about $13.0 each. May have to get a few depending on how badly worn the coating is on your racks. I would think it's possible that if you have an appliance parts supplyer in your area they may have the kits.
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Post# 34254-11/4/2003-22:12 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Greg, I just can't get over you!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I am so happy for you about all of your finds!
The Bendix combo that you found is one of my favorite models! Is this an Electric drying model, or is it also a condenser dryer. (That I have only seen from ads mind you, and not in person) That is so cool.
And A GE combo? I know you wanted one of them really bad. Now Jon can help you rebuild yours if need be since he is such a expert on them.
Have you run either of these combos in a spin cycle to see what would happen?
Did you find them in all one place? What history do you know on them? I can't get over the treasures you are finding!!!!
I can't wait to see the pictures of them.
Hey, we may need to all chip in a buy you a digital camera for Christmas since you are the appliance king this year!
Wow!!
Brent
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Post# 34255-11/4/2003-22:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Nasty! Didn't that guy hit the compressor!?
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Post# 34256-11/4/2003-22:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: No-the compresser was behind the bottom base cover. The mice would crawl in or out from behind the cover at night. He worked the mid shift.I had fun catching the mice in the trash cans-would let them go outside. The bad thing was is in the summer I mowed the tower feild with a tractor and the mice would sometimes get chopped up in the mower. In the winter I bet they found they way into the building.I think the mice multiplied out in the feild in the spring and summer.They just LOVED that place!
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Post# 34257-11/4/2003-22:46 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher Rack Coatings
MESSAGE: Jon, you can get "brush" on rack coating under Whirlpool part# 676453. Tine tips 675679. Trouble is, I believe it is a light grey color and intended for touching up nicks & small abraded spots.
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Post# 34258-11/4/2003-22:56 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS, plastic not a bad deal)
MESSAGE: Too bad those owners did not read and retain their warranty papers. Older and many current model GE dishwashers built with white(perma-tuf) plastic tub dishwashers have FULL lifetime warranties. GE never repaired a cracked or leaking tub.....they replaced the entire machine regardless of age because the tub is not available as a repair part and there is no way to sucessfully/permanently repair.
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Post# 34259-11/4/2003-22:59 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Duomatic John, What a collection!)
MESSAGE: Brent,The Easy combo still needs to be restored.Time to do it is the issue.All the Duomatics that I have are minted out,They all run like almost new.I have many other Bendix washers Including a 1939 model.When I get a chance I will down load some pictures.My advice to keep your machines in great shape is to use them.Take care,John
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Post# 34260-11/4/2003-23:06 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Duomatic Clothes Bar-B-Que (Dexter)
MESSAGE: Dexter now produces comm.laundry washers-dryers and etc.There machines carried the Philco Bendix name until the 70's or so.They produce beautiful machines now.Til next time,John
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Post# 34261-11/4/2003-23:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS, plastic not a bad deal)
MESSAGE: That's interesting-It makes sense the tank is not available as a part. the rest of the machine is built around it. Good that GE has faith in their DW tubs.The bulk of these machines I saw was in the main "trash room" of one of the apartment buildings I lived in. The GE-Hotpoint machines were used by the owners of that apartment complex. I had trouble with my washer in the apartment I lived in(it didn't fill) The building engineer merely replaced it with another one(It was brand new) they kept "new" spares on hand. They did not repair the old ones.I didn't complain since the machine they provided was brand new.However the building engineer would repair the Magic-Chef gas ranges that were in the apartments. One day I saw him steam-pressure washing a couple outside. He commented that people deleiberatly got them greasy and dirty. I think what he was doing made sense-didn't want a fire! I think he liked working on the stoves but not the washers.
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Post# 34262-11/5/2003-00:17 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for sharing the pics, and especially the book! I have never used or seen one of these machines, and didn't really know anything about them. I love owners manuals anyways, but this was so helpful to learn about this machine. Thanks again for taking the time to share your treasure. When were these machines made?
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Post# 34263-11/5/2003-00:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I found something interesting on eBay and received it today and wanted to share it with Applianceville. I have seen a few vintage magazine ads from the 1920's of the Walker Brothers dishwasher which was top loading, round and looked something like a wringer washer. In 1930 General Electric bought out the Walker Brothers company and moved their new dishwasher production to the Hotpoint factory in Chicago. In 1932 GE produced its first dishwasher under the General Electric Name. But I always wondered what housewives used for automatic dishwasher detergent?? Synthetic Detergents were not invented as of yet and if they used soap it would cause major oversudsing in a dishwasher. Does anyone have any info out there on the history of electrical dishwashing compounds?
Anyway check out this very early can of
Calgonite that I received today. I'm sure its from the mid to late 30's, its very fun and has never been opened.
The next earliest box of dw detergent I have is this 1949 box of
Electrosol.
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Post# 34264-11/5/2003-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filtrator Dryer Help
MESSAGE: Hi Rich- Yes, both elements in the Filtrator should be glowing red hot within a few minutes of starting the dryer. You should be able to get these elements from Larry at Modern Parts, last I knew he still had some.
Good luck - Greg
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Post# 34265-11/5/2003-00:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (link)
MESSAGE: What a beautiful machine - I love the stage too, there's room for lots more machines up there!
Will be anxious to hear how it runs when you get the logistics worked out...
Thanks for the pics and manual scans - very interesting programs!
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Post# 34266-11/5/2003-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: That is in remarkable condition for the age, what a great find! What a pity, you'll still have to buy a separate product to wash your hair though...
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Post# 34267-11/5/2003-01:06 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco washer on ebay!!!
MESSAGE: Ahhh, I see. We had a mouse in our house, but that is not a story for here lol...
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Post# 34268-11/5/2003-01:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD (plastic vs SS, plastic not a bad deal)
MESSAGE: I better let my grandparents know this. If the tub in their 70s decides to let go they will get a free new GE (not that great I guess but still, a new replacment appliance for free doesn't happen too often. Besides they could sell it and buy a better one.)
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Post# 34269-11/5/2003-01:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher Rack Coatings (Plasdip)
MESSAGE: From what I've seen, it's the same plastic companies like GE used to also coat the tub with (plastic-over-steel)in early models.
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Post# 34270-11/5/2003-08:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Greg, I just can't get over you!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent and thanks :) I believe the Bendix is a condensor dryer, but not totally sure. I won't be able to try either out for awhile whereas they are both in storage and have no 220 plugs nearby, but I can at least post pics at some point. I don't know much else about them.
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Post# 34271-11/5/2003-12:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Beautiful KeyMatic)
MESSAGE: The guestroom is ready and so is the Smart!
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Post# 34272-11/5/2003-12:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Brent,
I don't think these machines were ever sold in the US. They are 240V machines, the heating element is 3000W. I guess the costs of transporting and adjusting these machines to the American market were too high at that time.
On the twintubemporium Yahoo group Chris from Australia posted the following about the water level (I'm taking the liberty to copy that to this site):
The water level is much higher than other front
loaders. The water comes up to just below the door opening, but the
drum sinks down and back as it fills, so the water comes up to just
above the centre of the pulsator. The pulsator is not fully
submerged. (well it wasn't on my machines, anyway, but they are
Aussie built and may be a wee bit different.) I noticed very little
difference in the washing with the pulsator going, apart from the
noise (you can hear it rubbing on the clothes) and a big increase in
lint.
There are two pressure switches, but there is only one fill level for
both wash and rinse. I think the low level switch controls when the
heater comes on (heating starts when the first switch clicks over,
the machine continues to fill till the second switch clicks over. I
can't remember which one starts the tumbling.)
When the machine is pumping out before spin, it pumps out without
tumbling till the first pressure switch (high level) resets, then
starts tumbling as it continues pumping. When the timer gets to spin,
if the low level pressure switch hasn't also reset it won't spin. A
protection against trying to spin if the pump is slow or faulty and
there is still excess water in the drum. Many much newer machines
don't have that protection.
Another clever trick is that when filling using the red keyplate (hot
or hot & cold fill depending on the cycle) the fill is temperature
controlled, using the same thermostat that controls the heater. If
the hot fill is so hot that the heater's thermostat clicks over, then
cold water is also introduced to moderate the excessively hot water.
If during a warm fill the water goes high enough to trigger the
heater's warm thermostat, then the hot drops out and a cold only fill
continues. In both cases if the cold water drops the temperature
enough to reset the thermostat, then the water inlet goes back to
where it was. This was all done without any computer chips, it was
just done by connecting the water valves through the thermostat via
the keyplate reader and timer! This may be different on Louis's
machine as its instructions mention a blue letter keyplate to use
when the hot water is very hot. Aussie machines never had a blue
keyplate, just red or black. (the last ones also had a green keyplate
which had a cold wash setting.)
One thing in both Louis's instruction manual and the ones I have is a
bit misleading. It refers to gradually reducing temperatures of
rinses. In fact all rinses are done with cold water only. (even the
woollen cycle) It just refers to residual heat in the drum, clothes
and any remaining water slightly boosting the temperature of the cold
rinse water. As the clothes are not spun (I think not even tumbled?)
between the wash and first two rinses, there is a fair bit of water
left behind which means after a hot wash the first rinse is sort of
luke warm.
Chris.
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Post# 34273-11/5/2003-12:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Hoover Keymatic)
MESSAGE: Don,
I'm not sure when exactly these machines were made, but I guess this is an early sixties machine. I haven't found any dates on it.
Louis
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Post# 34274-11/5/2003-12:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (link)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I love that manual too. This washer is so very different from other European washers. And because this machine is so different I think this one should be the only one on that stage...
Actually the motor is very silent, it's an induction motor and the first time I let it spin I wondered when it would start. I opened the door and discovered it had already started!
Louis
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Post# 34275-11/5/2003-12:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: As a matter of fact I have used shampoo for washing several delicate items...
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Post# 34276-11/5/2003-12:58 ||| tumbleaction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT:
Philco Washers
MESSAGE: Philco is a brand that was not very common where I grew up. When did this brand disappear? Were the designs original, or rebadged models from other brands? Who owned Philco...Ford? Or was the brand passed from conglomerate to conglomerate?
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Post# 34277-11/5/2003-12:59 ||| tumbleaction (North Las Vegas, NV)
SUBJECT:
Philco Washers
MESSAGE: Philco is a brand that was not very common where I grew up. When did this brand disappear? Were the designs original, or rebadged models from other brands? Who owned Philco...Ford? Or was the brand passed from conglomerate to conglomerate?
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Post# 34278-11/5/2003-13:04 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Louis,
Thanks for posting that information from Chris.
His description made it sounds like such an advanced machine for it's time. It really sounds like such a unique machine. Do you think that the Keymatic is a machine that many people are still running in their homes? Have you ever heard by chance how reliable they were?
Brent
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Post# 34279-11/5/2003-13:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE combo, Bendix combo, '57LK found ...... (Greg, I just can't get over you!)
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see the pictures.
They sound so nice!
Brent
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Post# 34280-11/5/2003-13:41 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: I can supply a little information on this. Philco was a big radio company. During WW-II they started doing government contracts, which resulted in the postwar appliances division. (In '57 they bought Bendix which is where my washing machine came from, a Philco-Bendix Duomatic.) Ford bought Philco out in 1961, and there were a few Philco-Ford devices (I'm not sure about appliances, or what happened to them). In the '70s Ford sold them off to Sylvania, which in turn got bought by Phillips.
I've seen quite a few Philco TVs and radios, but nothing I can think of that would have been built later than '61.
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Post# 34281-11/5/2003-21:13 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: I know for a fact that Philco made Duomatics till 1966 because I have one.I am not sure when they stopped making them after that.It would be interesting to find out. John
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Post# 34282-11/5/2003-22:24 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: I have some information on your thermostats.HIGH LIMIT SWITCH Contacts open at 210 degrees F. and close at170 degrees F.The high heat thermostat will cut out at 200 degrees F.and will cut in at 190 degrees F.The wash and wear thermostat will cut out at 150 degrees F.and cut in at 140 degrees F.
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Post# 34283-11/6/2003-02:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Brent,
I have no idea how many of these Keymatics are still in use. They weren't very good in cleaning, so I can imagine some were replaced before they were broken. And perhaps other people replaced this machine just because it was out of fashion. I guess they were pretty reliable, it's a very well built machine, easy to work on etc.
Louis
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Post# 34284-11/6/2003-04:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand)
MESSAGE: Correct, except that the ELECTRONIC part of Philco got sold to Sylvania, which then was bought by Philips (as was Magnavox). Not sure if Ford sold the whole company and then Sylvania sold off the appliance division, or if Ford sold the electronic and appliance divisions separately. The appliance division ended up with our much loved (NOT!) White Consolidated Industries and I think they dropped the brand in the 70's.
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Post# 34285-11/6/2003-05:57 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT:
Discovery made
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I am still making new discoveries on my replacement Hotpoint top loader, I have discovered that the machine will spin very slow on an unbalanced load. The machine will then stop and the control dial go back to the OFF position, I then have to redistribute the load and reset the dial to the spin cycle. Regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 34286-11/6/2003-07:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Way cool Louis!)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, Brent,
When I was a kid my neighbours across the road had a Keymatic. I loved the look of it even then but my mother (who had a Hoovermatic twinnie at the time) was very dismissive, she said it broke down so often the repairman should bring his toothbrush and move in with them.
The main pulleys revolve around a bronze bush which needs to be lubed and is exposed to dust, etc. Also the main bearings mount to the drum in an odd way, they use shims to hold them in tight and must be a beast to do properly. I replaced bearings in my first one and I didn't really know what I was doing with the shims but seemed to muddle through. The bronze bush has to come off the shaft which requires a pin to be drilled out, and some tiny easily lost springs and rollers go inside the bush to work the clutch. So I tend to suspect that if the bearings went it was expensive to repair and possibly a throw-away.
Chris
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Post# 34287-11/6/2003-10:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers (almost boil wash)
MESSAGE: Sounds like the limit switch prevents boiling. The European machines (even VINTAGE) were capable of a boil wash (100c). I wonder why the Bendix stopped there....
I've watched Imperial Bob's Asko do a boil wash via Yahoo Messenger and from what I could tell it was whited out with bubbles. I guess maybe that's why, because of oversudsing.
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Post# 34288-11/6/2003-10:33 ||| myrlyn (Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tappan Stove (Range model number locations)
MESSAGE: I am sorry to be so deliquent in sending my thanks! I had checked everywhere but under the burners. I found the information I needed; thanks so very much for your help. I am still unable as yet to find anything more about this, but I have been busy with other things and have not delved deep as of yet. I will be sure to post a picture and the information when I do find it!
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Post# 34289-11/6/2003-10:56 ||| myrlyn (Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tappan Stove
MESSAGE: I am not sure what I have...I am sure you would probably know more than I do about such. This is my first "vintage" or "classic" appliance. I have always enjoyed antiques and such so when I saw this stove I feel in love with it. Since my kitchen is open to the living area I thought it would be great in my home. I have taken a couple of pictures and these should be ready by the beginning of the week. I am hoping to find as much information on this as possible. I just got a plug so this weekend will find out if it works! Thanks for your interest and comments. I am just beginning my search on information, but as I delve and find out more for sure I will post the updates!
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Post# 34290-11/6/2003-12:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: KA may be earlier than ' 53
MESSAGE: Greg, a cousin of mine moved into a house built in 1955 (this was 1972) and the KA was still working well then. It had the same cycle sequence. In the silverware basket was a little metal "cup" for detergent. That way, the detergent didn't get flushed down the drain during the initial simultaneous fill & pump out to purge the water line to get hot water to temp before the drain solenoid closed and it started to fill.
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Post# 34291-11/6/2003-13:23 ||| pmoir (Nova Scotia, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers (Philco brand limit switches.)
MESSAGE: Thank you gyromatic. That's just the information I needed. I never traced through the wash-and-wear cycle and I was unaware it had another thermostat. Now I've got the information I need to figure this problem out!
Thanks again!
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Post# 34292-11/6/2003-18:47 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers
MESSAGE: Those are both fascinating! Thanks for sharing the photos. It was great to be able to read the text. Amusing actually.
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Post# 34293-11/6/2003-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: question for Robert (unimatic1140)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, sorry I didn't notice this post sooner, anyway, I found this tonight. I suspect your clutch is not moving up and down on its sprial shaft properly and is stuck in the spin position, after you read this, you'll have to investigate further and let us know.
Frigidaire Multimatic 2-speed clutch
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Post# 34294-11/6/2003-22:57 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire 1-18 washer
MESSAGE: And the addiction continues..... Today I picked up a frigidaire washer model #WIG (10/78). Normally I would have passed it by, but since joining this club, I have been curious about them. When I went to appl service school, they had already stopped making them (Early 80's). I remember then thinking "these are a nighmare to work on and require some special tools". I even have a repair manual for them from school. This machine seems to be in pretty good shape, very little rust inside and the tub still has a shine to it. I think there might be something going on with the clutch wheel. The motor starts up and accelerates on the start winding and then tripped the circuit breaker in my workshop. Does anyone have parts for these still? I doubt my regular supplier can help me. Will let you know how things go.
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Post# 34295-11/6/2003-23:35 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Dating the Box of Calgonite)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I too have an unopened box of Calgonite that was packed inside my Youngstown Kitchens 1952 dishwasher that had never been hooked up or used. Doing a little detective work based on the patent number listing on your package dates your item in the years 1936-1937. Patent numbers are issued incementally thru the years. I have the US patent number lising from 1900 thru 1950. I will list what I have in the next post. Although this is not exact dating, it tells when the product patent number was issued, which at least tells when it was subject to marketing and approval by the US office.
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Post# 34296-11/6/2003-23:46 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
US PATENT NUMBERS from 1900 to 1950
MESSAGE: This following list is often helpful in dating an item. Although not a 100% positive date, it shows when the US Patent Office approved an item.
1900 660,000
1902 720,000
1904 770,000
1906 830,000
1908 890,000
1910 950,000
1912 1,020,000
1914 1,080,000
1916 1,150,000
1918 1,240,000
1920 1,320,000
1922 1,410,000
1924 1,500,000
1926 1,580,000
1928 1,660,000
1930 1,760,000
1932 1,850,000
1934 1,940,000
1936 2,010,000
1938 2,100,000
1940 2,180,000
1942 2,270,000
1944 2,340,000
1946 2,390,000
1948 2,430,000
1950 2,500,000
Please remember that this is not exact dating, but just when the patent number was issued. But it is often very helpful, by checking the patent number on your item, to at least inform when a product may or may not have even been thought of.
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Post# 34297-11/7/2003-04:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
GE POD
MESSAGE: Wow, my Grandmother's washer! What year is it? Hers sat brand new in my room until 1960 when we moved to the city from the country.
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Post# 34298-11/7/2003-04:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures and manual of the Hoover Keymatic (Different from other European machines)
MESSAGE: Isn't that just like the British? :-)
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Post# 34299-11/7/2003-09:05 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Dating the Box of Calgonite)
MESSAGE: Hey guys, according to some literature I have from Economics Laboratories, the first dishwasher detergents were not specifically designed for machine use. This resulted in many dissatisfied customers who returned their dishwashers to the dealers. Walker Bros., who in 1924 was the largest mfg of dishwashers, discovered that an institutional product called Soilax worked better than any other product and adopted it as their standard dishwashing compound. There were several companies trying to formulate a dishwasher detergent, but the big problem was caking in the package. In 1936, EL successfully made a detergent and called it Super Heavy Duty Soilax, which was a much improved formula and performed better than anything else. There were many formula changes during the succeeding yrs, and immediately after WWII, the name was changed to Electrasol.
I will fax this to someone with a scanner if you want to see the whole article. SteveD
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Post# 34300-11/7/2003-09:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Electra-Sol)
MESSAGE: So how old is this literature you have from EL? They've been Benckiser for quite some time now, was it just a name change or did they get bought out by another company?
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Post# 34301-11/7/2003-09:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Electra-Sol)
MESSAGE: So how old is this literature you have from EL? They've been Benckiser for quite some time now, was it just a name change or did they get bought out by another company?
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Post# 34302-11/7/2003-10:13 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: For Electrical Dishwashers (Electra-Sol)
MESSAGE: I think its from the late 70's, because it also talks about enzyme products for Soak cycles, like on the KitchenAid dishwashers KD-16, 17......
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Post# 34303-11/7/2003-14:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 washer (what parts)
MESSAGE: HI, what parts are you looking for ??
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Post# 34304-11/7/2003-14:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: I finally got a chance to try out the WO-65 Frigidaire Washer I found almost three months ago. It works great fortunately, BUT the timer does NOT advance itself on its own, the pull/push, off/on works fine, and as you manually advance the timer, all the functions engage and disengage perfectly, its just the electric motor that advances the timer that does not work, I hate to replace the whole timer, but do I have to according to Midwest Timer. They claim they do not have this item whereas I gave them the # on the back of the timer as
B-120142, but I think that is the part # for again the electric motor itself on the back of the timer. Does anyone know if I can get just the electric motor and does anyone know what the actual timer part # is ?? Regardless, I was absolutely thrilled that the machine worked PERFECTLY; agitation, spin, fill, all work just fine, and supposedly this machine has not been run for well over twenty years. Amazes me how well built these things were back then. So I just need a new timer motor or timer and there is nothing holding the agitation column on, hard to explain, but I took pics so it will help me explain this problem. To whomever can respond and help much thanks in advance. -gregm
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Post# 34305-11/7/2003-17:21 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT:
Appliance Warehouse Closing!
MESSAGE: Heads up to anyone in the Phoenix Arizona area! Appliance Warehouse (602) 258-6991 is phasing out all their old washers & dryers by the end of this year. They are going to concentrate on vintage stoves only so everything else has to go (some great old refrigerators, too!)
There are about 20 late 60s-70s Frigidaire washers still there in addition to a few other vintage make machines. I just picked up an early 70s Frigidaire washer for parts but am planning to go back this weekend & pick up a couple more.
Just wanted to share the wealth!
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Post# 34306-11/7/2003-21:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 34307-11/7/2003-22:30 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 washer (what parts)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Haven't really taken anything apart yet, so I'm not sure. I don't know these machines well at all, but from reading the service manual, I think it has something to do with the clutch wheel/brake. The belt is streched also but I do have a belt for this model, but nothing else. I'll let you know and thanks for asking. Btw you have been hitting the jackpot lately. How do you come across all these older units?
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Post# 34308-11/7/2003-22:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem (spoke to soon, pulled timer)
MESSAGE: Well I spoke to soon, I went back over to my folks house earlier this evening to try out the WO-65 one more time and NOTHING, dead as a door nail, I checked fuses, cord, after playing with the timer and pulling off and on several times and advancing, I did get the motor to hum, but simply hum period then dead again, so I pulled the timer as I had planned on anyways, it sorta fell apart in my hands which I did not expect. Found the part number 5430706 on it ......... I hope its simply a timer issue, I cannot imagine it being mechanical whereas it worked perfectly this AM ............
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Post# 34309-11/7/2003-22:48 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 washer (what parts)
MESSAGE: Hi John, yea I have been very lucky, it comes and goes, I don't really look anymore or at least not for awhile whereas I am out of room. But a couple folks I have befriended call me when they come across something that they think I may be interested in. I have two 70's 1/18's running as I found them. Two semi-broken down and I need to finish breaking them down for parts, one in semi-repair and two more I need and want to repair. So I have a total of six and really only care if I have two up and running. They are tough to work on, I have none to very little experience working on these and don't have all the special tools one needs for a complete rebuild. Keep me posted as to what you plan to do or what you think you might need ....... :)
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Post# 34310-11/7/2003-23:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: question for Robert (unimatic1140) (thanks Robert !!!!!)
MESSAGE: thank you Robert, I could not print the whole thing, nor could I save to my PC, it won't save as an .art or .bmp file ?? so I simply saved the webpage link and printed what part of the page which is all that will print .......... I will check out the machine and let you know based on this information .......
regards,-gregm
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Post# 34311-11/8/2003-05:19 ||| Kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Norge POD
MESSAGE: Hmm, another case of the dryer being larger than the washer.
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Post# 34312-11/9/2003-09:25 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: Mammouth 1`2 lb. load. LOL. And mini-basket uses so little water LOL. With the way the inner and out tubs were designed on those machines, still guzzled water just to do a mini wash.
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Post# 34313-11/9/2003-09:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD
MESSAGE: Would you care to explain this comment???
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Post# 34314-11/9/2003-12:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD
MESSAGE: The tub space of a dryer should be at least twice that of the washer.
IE: Washer is 3.0, dryer should be 6.0. Of course, my 3.0 Frigemore is just a little too big for my 5.7 Vintage GE. I could get a new 7.4cu/ft Kenmore Elite dryer right now but I just can't bring myself to put the GE down. He's gonna have to die first, and I have a feeling he won't for a while.
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Post# 34315-11/9/2003-17:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: Yeah, but what a great way to waste - and it was still better than even the lowest fill level. Especially when washing that one "fugitive" that cannot be washed with ANYTHING else.......
I still miss my mini basket...
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Post# 34316-11/9/2003-17:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD
MESSAGE: Maybe he just meant cabinet size - if you look at them next to each other, the dryer seems wider. Kind of like the "monster GE dryers" of the late 70's and early 80's - those were something like 33 inches wide!
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Post# 34317-11/9/2003-19:47 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: I remember that these machines were popular when I was growing up but never got to see one up close..
How did the mini basket drain?
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Post# 34318-11/9/2003-19:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: John from St. Paul (Gyromatic) forwarded me pictures of his new 1956 Bendix Duomatic. Once again John has taken a broken down, rusty relic and restored it to showroom new condition. Way to go John! For those who don't know him, he has a beautiful collection of Bendix and Philco Front Loaders and Combo's, many came from the SD farm.
Here are his pictures to share...
1956 Bendix Wash Cycle
1956 Bendix Controls
Behind the '56
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Post# 34319-11/9/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE POD 11/9/03
MESSAGE: My mothers house that was built in the Wash.DC area in 1969 had a GE washer dryer pair provided by the home builder.The washer had the mini-basket. I used it a time or two while living with her before moving to my first apartment-the basket worked pretty well.I thought it was unusual for a builder to provide washer-dryer of this quality.(in fact-the home as realitivly poorly built but the appliances were pretty good quality-all were GE)I remember repairing and correcting several faults in the house.(one of those infamous Levitt built homes)The builder provided all the appliances with the house-you did not have to provide any except for the samll appliances.the home was usuable after moving in-no shopping for major appliances.I can remember that the basket was perforated to allow drainge. and the lint pan fit over the top.The whole thing rested on the straight bladed agitator.while the washer was going it filled a small amout-then circulated the water thru the lint pan and mini basket with the waterfall style water flow.
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Post# 34320-11/9/2003-20:39 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: hope you enjoy the photos ..............
sincerely,
-gregm :)
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.view=t
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Post# 34321-11/9/2003-20:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
pics fair resolution
MESSAGE: pics are not as good quality this time, I lost resolution but gained "space", my apologies for some that did not come out as good, I hope to get a digital camera for xmas :)
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Post# 34322-11/9/2003-20:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: In the two times I've replaced a timer in a washer-The first one I replaced a timer in was a Frigidaire washer. This was in about 1971 or 72. I was in college at the time. My brother was going to school also-he lived in a trailer and the washer was provided in the trailer. I would go there on weekends-and use the washer to do my laundry.The timer replacement was straightforward. Took about an hour. We had to return the old timer in the box the new one came in.I think for most timers they are not a feild reparable item.The other time I replaced a timer was about 25 years later in a friends GE washer. Now in this case the timer came DISSASSEBLED. You had to put it together yourself-no instructions or schematic.The worst part was assembling the pins that activated the switches by a large plastic cam.(the cam was rotated by the timer motor)I could remember the Frigidaire timer was a metal box with the motor on back and the quick connect lugs sticking out for the leads.
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Post# 34323-11/9/2003-21:28 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Cool finds! The pics are ok:-) The insides of that Maytag DW is the exact same as ours. I found the timer position interesting, I never knew Maytag ever put their timers there. I thought they would have had the same console as their washers and dryers of that era (center timer with wrinkle plastic on top and colored panel on lower half.) The only diff. I could see is that yours has a metal wash arm:-) It also has an upper wash arm right?
I like the kenmore too, it is in ok shape (aside from the rust on the outside, the inside looks good)
I don't know much about anything else but they look good:-)
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Post# 34324-11/9/2003-21:30 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: I think GE was one of the only makers that had a repairable timer (at least, one an owner could repair themselves) Any one else have a repairable timer?
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Post# 34325-11/9/2003-22:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem
MESSAGE: As I remember the Frigidaire timer-it was not feild repairrable(at least not at that time)The GE was.It would have been more useful if GE provided instructions or a schematic on how to put it together. I used the old timer as a guide. If you didn't have the old one or not a clockmaker-you would be in trouble-The timer installation I did with the Frigidaire was only about an hour-with the GE it took all day!! and tearing out your hair as well. Also not a job for someone who isn't patient.I think I would rather NOT repair the timer. Its easier and faster to replace it as a unit.I would think if an appliance tech was doing it he would charge you more because of the labor to assemble the timer.also with the Frigidaire timer you returned the old one to the supplier. They would then rebuild or repair the old one you pulled from your machine.The GE one-the old one you threw away-they didn't want it.
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Post# 34326-11/9/2003-22:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: These seem to be in good condition. Plus the washer is ex. large capacity. Hopefully they find a good home:-)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2358809777&category=20714
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Post# 34327-11/9/2003-22:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: the Kenmore washer reminds me of the Kenmore washer my grandmother had.All in all an excellent find-GOOD HUNT!!
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Post# 34328-11/9/2003-22:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: The washer looks like a Maytag I used to have. Sold it with the house as I moved out. Was moving to the townhouse and could not use the Maytag-the townhome had a washer-the Maytag wouldn't fit(too bad)
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Post# 34329-11/9/2003-23:05 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Hey, that's close to me. Do you think the dryer is electric or gas?
Ken D.
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Post# 34330-11/9/2003-23:33 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing your photos. This is a very nice Duomatic. I always liked this model because I liked the chrome dials and the lights. I knew just when the red would pop off when the dryer would start up. Greg M just got one like this and that will also be nice once restored. I am happy to see the restoration of these machines being made. Too bad there are not more of those machines still around to restore. I have not seen one in years. Everyone have a good week. Dano
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Post# 34331-11/10/2003-00:01 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: The first washer/dryer pair I get when I am on my own will be a maytag center timer set! I LOVE those washers and dryers. I like them even better than the kenmores we had/have. Although kenmores/whirlpools will always be special for me, I love Maytags. If I could only choose one washer for the rest of my life, it would be a kenmore belt drive. However I want to have an old (60s or 70s) Maytag set for awhile, they are such cool washers:-)
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Post# 34332-11/10/2003-00:04 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I would say it is electric since it doesn't have the little "access" door on the lower front (most gas models had a little square door on the front.) Although I think some of the later gas ones didn't have the door, most did. The dryer is also a dep. care model (it has the much larger door and the up-front lint filter.) I like maytag's dryer design (both of them) both last a good long time.
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Post# 34333-11/10/2003-00:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: For me it would be a tossup between the Kenmore or the Whirlpool.I now have a Whirlpool BD and a Kenmore 800 BD. Like 'em both.I am now looking for a very vintage solid tub Speed Queen or Norge.Preferably the Norge since its one of the machines that intrigued me when I was very little.I keep looking around the old appliance stores around me-one is just up the street!Yes.the old Maytags would be nice,too. Preferably one from the 50's -60's for me-thats the era I spent growing up in.A WP and Kenmore from the 50' would be nice to have.-I just may have to have an addition built to my house if this keeps up-Don't have a BIG basement.It seems the machines from the 50's-60's had the most cool styles. Makes you think of cars from those periods of time.
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Post# 34334-11/10/2003-00:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I always think of whirlpool and kenmore as one in the same (they basically ARE the same with slightly different console styles, I typically liked Kenmore's consoles better, but whirlpools are the same washers. They should be, they made Kenmores for over 50 years:-) Kenmore/Whirlpool did have more style than Maytags, but I love the Maytag design. I bet I could watch a cycle with the front panel removed, it would be so cool to watch the transmission slowly start spinning and then rapidly slow after the spin was finished. The washer you grow up with always is special. That is why I kept the console and agitator out of our belt drive. 50s and 60s cars were so awesome too. The designs go hand in hand with washer design. Thick, strong bodies, bullet-proof mechanical parts and STYLE:-) Plus they were not overloaded with safety and emissions laws (a must today and it is good that we have them, but I am glad there were cars able to be made before the laws came into effect. That is just like washers, no water use laws, no safety interlocks/switches.) I think on the day I get the Maytags, I would bring them to my house in a 60s muscle car:-) That would be cool...
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Post# 34335-11/10/2003-01:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Yes-WP and KN have the same mechanisms-but the control panels and agitator styles were different.It was pretty neat watching the spinning Maytag transmission at the laundramat when their tech had the front off. wish it were transparent!!The water use dosen't bother me-Even with my washers and shower(I took out that 1.5 Gal limiter) I like the Hard shower.My water bills average about $20.0 per month. Water is inexpensive here.I think the water use laws for washers and dishwashers is silly and unnessary.GET the politicians out of the laundry room!!!Same with some other things.Not only with washers and cars but the tools of my trade(transmitters,audio consoles,etc) were built best in those 50-60's days.The ones at the site I work at ARE STILL IN USE!!! The 80's ones are broke and waiting for parts.For the washers you want-you may need a trailer for that muscle car!!As for interlocks-thought the ones on the Maytag were not needed. Just only spin.The folks that complain about the water their washer or dishwasher uses are typically the first ones that poor hundreds of gallons on their lawns or gardens. I don't water mine at all and thy are fine!!Your old console and agitator should fit another WP-KN model.Come to think of it I did see transparent front panel and tub machines at both Sears and the Maytag dealer. These would be neat to have!!I have a transparent Bernina vacuum cleaner I bought from a vac store.
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Post# 34336-11/10/2003-01:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Ya, at least the laws regarding appliances are somewhat lenient so far, but I am just waiting for more stringent laws about how much water washers can use (I bet there is some limit, but as soon as the laws infringe on how washers can be designed, that will suck, and it will speed up the process of front loaders taking over.) In this day and age, the laws with cars are fine, in my mind (since at least the laws weren't always there.) If EVERYONE still had a 1940s car, the world would be fairly stinky to live in. But as long as the select few people can have and drive old gas guzzling cars and have and use vintage, water guzzling washers, then I am happy:-) The laws in place are for the best, even though we don't like them. Since the general public will buy Hondas and Toyotas, we can drive 50s and 60s V8, carbed, big block POWER! As long as pieces from the past are around, things are just fine:-)
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Post# 34337-11/10/2003-01:45 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I just recently got a late 50's/early 60's maytag washer, very close to the one I grew up with! Maytag washers from that era ARE cool looking! the one I have, doesn't have the safty lid switch, so I can watch it from fill to final damp dry spin!! God, all the years I have waited for that! but, the old girl does have a few little problems, but other than that,she works perfectly!
anyone know where I can get a matching drier for it?? Im willing to pay!
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Post# 34338-11/10/2003-02:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: The world would be pretty stinky if we still used horses-its true about the 1940's cars.I don't have much complaint about the pollution and energy rules for cars-but for appliances I think they are unnessary.Let the marketplace decide here. If folks WANT water and enegy efficient washers they will buy them-Would be good in areas where water and power are expensive.Its no use hawking expensive water saving FL in this area-not interested-they are also overpriced.The overpricing will NOT make up for the "energy saving"The machine will not pay for itself in my area. It would be better to offer them to folks in areas (like California) where water and energy is expensive.I don't think we need any other laws.Ya know-if I wanted to buy a FL washer-I would just buy a classic Westinghouse Slant front or vintage Bendix-these would be built better than the ones of today.-and probably cheaper depending where you buy it.-as well as you can more easily keep it going.
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Post# 34339-11/10/2003-07:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: thanks Kurt, yes there is a metal spray arm in the top to spray down on to plates in the upper rack. I had great resolution (but expensive and took up alot of room) when my pics were emailed to me from a lab in CT and would lose slight resolution when uploading into yahoo. But these photos put on floppy disc at a local chain drug store that does the "hour photo" developing thing ? I think they sorta stink, LOL ..... I hope to buy a digital camera by the first of the new year.
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Post# 34340-11/10/2003-07:02 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS .... (thnx)
MESSAGE: thank you :)
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Post# 34341-11/10/2003-07:09 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS .... (Wow!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Wonderful finds. Have fun with them. I'm envious about the combos and the two Frigidaires. That 1965 model is one of my favorites ... especially the color. Thanks for sharing.
Mike
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Post# 34342-11/10/2003-07:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: isnt the A608 a 1968 model ?? because I have an A207 which is considered to be a 1972, and that dryer does not look like a "halo of heat" style like my DE406 (1973), I wonder when they came out with the "halo of heat" and for how long ? here is a pic of the inside of my DE406
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/Dryers&.dnm=Halo-of-Heat+Dryer+inside.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/Dryers%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 34343-11/10/2003-07:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (So close and yet so far ...)
MESSAGE: They do look like they're in good condition. Would love to bid on these. The seller lives only an hour from me. Unfortunately, this is another one of those times when I hate living in an apartment and being relegated to coin operated Neptunes. (Sigh!)
Mike
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Post# 34344-11/10/2003-07:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD (washer vs dryer size)
MESSAGE: On most brands, the washer and matching dryer are the same dimensions, but in some cases, Maytag and Norge being examples, the dryer is bigger than the matching washer.
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Post# 34345-11/10/2003-07:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: Thank you for posting the pictures Robert. John, you have a done a really wonderful job on that machine. It's a beauty. I love the "Magic Heater". BTW, what is that button between the orange and blue light for?
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Post# 34346-11/10/2003-07:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE POD 11/9/03 (Mini Basket)
MESSAGE: This is another one of those features makes one wonder that if it was so great, (and I think it was)why isn't it still around today?
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Post# 34347-11/10/2003-07:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD (dryer cabinet size)
MESSAGE: Yes, that's exactly what I meant.
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Post# 34348-11/10/2003-07:37 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: Manufacturing one new car causes about as much pollution as running a properly maintained 1960s car about 300,000 miles. It does mother earth better to keep your old car and keep it running right.
Ken D.
(1965 Rambler American)
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Post# 34349-11/10/2003-07:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (electric or gas?)
MESSAGE: Good question, you'd think that people would remember to state an important fact like that. Of course, you can always ask them.
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Post# 34350-11/10/2003-07:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (Duomatic controls)
MESSAGE: So when did they go to the console mounted type controls?
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Post# 34351-11/10/2003-07:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: That little door was only for access to light the pilot light, they probably eliminated it when they went to electronic ignition. I wonder if the earlier design with the filter in the back extended into the electric ignition era.
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Post# 34352-11/10/2003-08:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Though the government is concerned about about the AMOUNT of water used (remember, water is not inexpensive everywhere), I think what they're REALLY concerned about is the amount of ENERGY used to heat the water. Less water=less energy. This can really add up if one is using an electric water heater. Are you sure the limiter in your showerhead was a 1.5 gpm? The law is 2.5 gpm, and my Water Pik showerhead gives a nice hard shower even with the limiter installed, though this may not always be the case for everyone depending on the local water presssure.
I agree, interlocks need only be on the spin cycle.
I too remember seeing transparent fronts on Sears dishwashers in the stores, sort of like the Maytag dishwasher demo cubes, but installed on an actual working machine.
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Post# 34353-11/10/2003-08:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (V8 power, gas and water guzzling)
MESSAGE: Well put!
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Post# 34354-11/10/2003-08:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (inexpensive water & energy)
MESSAGE: Not that I'm trying to defend the goverment for enacting the appliance laws, but, you're gambling that water and energy in your area will ALWAYS be cheap. There's no guarantee they will. And what if you (or anybody else) moves to another area that DOESN'T have cheap energy/water costs? Gotta look at it from all angles.
The Westy Laundromat is a good idea.
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Post# 34355-11/10/2003-08:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Coin operated Neptunes)
MESSAGE: At least they're Neptunes and not coin-operated Speed Queens that it seems EVERYBODY in Los Angeles uses in their laundry rooms and in Laundromats. Sometimes I see coin GE's in laundry rooms and OCCASIONALLY GE or Maytag in laundromats but generally Speed Queen dominates.
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Post# 34356-11/10/2003-08:32 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I have used a variety of washers during my lifetime including a GE with a spiral agitator, Westinghouse slant front combo, a Frigidaire solid tub, a Norge 20 pounder and a few Whirlpools but the majority of the years have been spent with a Kenmore Roto Swirl BD and I must say that is my favorite of all times.
With me, one of the major points of washing clothes is clothes rollover and to me nothing beats the full, smooth strokes of a roto swirl for pulling those clothes up and towards the center post and then down again.
My 60 Kenmore big black roto swirl which I grew up with was given a death sentence by the repairman back in 93. It is still tucked away in a corner waiting for someone who I feel knows what he is doing to get it running again. In the meantime I switched to a 78 large capacity dual action KM BD which does a great job with clothes rollover and is still running strong.
A few months ago, some friends gave me an early 70's Whirlpool with recirc. filter. I couldn't wait to get it home and up and running. The white surgilator is okay and does a lot of sloshing but doesn't really seem to move the clothes up and over all that well with a fairly good size load sooooo I replaced it with a newer syle tan roto swirl from an old 70 KM I have sitting around and the clothes once again are sucked down the center. Watching the washing action takes me back to my childhood and I find I am using it all the time now.
I'll always be loyal to Kenmores and Whirlpools but Kenmores win out overall.
I will tho' have to say that in listening to the two, the Whirlpools have always sounded a bit more beefier and sturdier to me and I personally do think that the Whirpools handle suds lock a bit better than the small tub KMs. Yes, I know what a lot of you will think already as I still use regular fragrance Tide almost exclusively.
NOW, I am on the hunt for an early model KM with full width lighted console and a suds-saver. That's what I'm asking Santa for! ((--::
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Post# 34357-11/10/2003-08:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, you've got some nice machines there. Wonderful to see another Bendix here.
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Post# 34358-11/10/2003-08:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: We had neighbours who had a GE dishwasher with the timer in the place where this Maytag has it. I think they bought it somewhere in the mid sixties. It was a European machine, it had side panels and a top (not a woodblock), but it must have been based on an American model, it was bigger than the European machines too.
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Post# 34359-11/10/2003-09:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: So what did the repairman say was actually wrong with the '60 Kenmore?
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Post# 34360-11/10/2003-10:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (Duomatic controls)
MESSAGE: They were originally in the back, then moved to the front for the '56 model line, then back for the cylinder timer arrangement.
-ph
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Post# 34361-11/10/2003-10:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: Holy Cow, John!!! Beautiful restoration!!! Exquisite!!! Hope we get to see more pics of your collection. I'd love to see the '68 Duo.
-ph
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Post# 34362-11/10/2003-10:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Shut up! How in the world do you do this! Stop the madness!
Nawwwww, keep on doing... Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 34363-11/10/2003-10:56 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Your 1960 RotoSwirl)
MESSAGE: Hi Dick, I will be out in your area again in January. Maybe if I have time I can give your washer a look and help you out with it. BTW How is your Frigidaire from Phoenix doing?
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Post# 34364-11/10/2003-11:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: unimatic WO-65 timer problem (5430706 is the correct WO-65 timer number)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, get a rebuilt timer from Midwest timer service or send in your old timer for them to rebuild. If the problem was only a timer motor you can easily change that out, I've done it lots of times, but you need to have another timer motor on hand. Midwest timer service is not going to sell you a timer motor only. I have opened up and serviced timers before but you need very specialized tools and the final results can be hit or miss. Yes, 5430706 is the correct number to order for the WO-65.
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Post# 34365-11/10/2003-12:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: question for Robert (unimatic1140) (thanks Robert !!!!!)
MESSAGE: Those pictures are JPEG files and you cannot save thoses files as a .bmp or .art without specialized image editing software. Try downloading the file as JPEG (.JPG) to your hard drive and loading it into a blank document in your word processor, then sending it to print from there.
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Post# 34366-11/10/2003-12:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, thanks for the pictures, you are certainly on a roll for finding these wonderful machines! Please keep us posted on the progress with your new WO-65.
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Post# 34367-11/10/2003-15:09 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: The ad says its an A106 Electric Dryer. But what I'm digging is that turquoise agitator on the washer!
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Post# 34368-11/10/2003-15:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Oh ya, I love the look of old maytags. But I can see why some people like kenmore/whirlpool and many other brands better since there was lots of variation to their consoles. Maytag's stayed fairly similar throughout. But I love the console look of the maytags.
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Post# 34369-11/10/2003-15:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: True, laws regarding appliances are a little much. Washers, dryers and dishwashers are not big energy users and they hardly use any water compared to watering the lawn or washing the car etc. Plus agriculture uses WAY, WAY more water than any washer could in 40 years.
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Post# 34370-11/10/2003-15:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I know the halos came out first (early 60s or perhaps earlier?) I think the first time dep. cares came out was the late 70s although it could have been earlier. I am guessing there was a span of a few years when both styles were produced.
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Post# 34371-11/10/2003-15:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: I'll send you an email. I prefer not to make everyone mad with my ramblings on here:-)
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Post# 34372-11/10/2003-15:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: I am quite sure ALL gas halos have pilot ignition, so I suppose ALL gas halos had the little door (if they all had pilots that is) I have seen a few dep. cares with the little door too (the dryer on Roseanne had this door. I also think the dryer on That 70s Show has this little door. Both are dep. cares, I know that for sure. And both are gold:-)
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Post# 34373-11/10/2003-15:47 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: It seems most people's fix to using hot water is to use cold water washes (EEEEK) or turning down their water heater (bad idea if you want clean dishes) Flushing a toilet uses about 1/3 as much water as a full water wash in a top loader. Flush it 3 times and you got a washer cycle right there (cold/cold that is)
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Post# 34374-11/10/2003-15:50 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: I feel the same way with kenmores. I will always know when a BD is running and I will always like them best. But obviously no one can get by with watching and hearing only one washer:-) The best thing about vintage washers is that they had thick cabinets. None of them had those stamped sides (with the indents to strengthen the very thin metal)
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Post# 34375-11/10/2003-15:55 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: Ya I like it too. The one we have at work has a black agitator with a turquoise "cough" lint filter (which only ever caught some stray threads lol) The fabric softener dispenser was long gone and it didn't have a bleach dispenser. I once opened it after a cycle was done and found detergent in the lint filter top (where the softener dispenser should have been sitting.) Someone must have thought it was supposed to dispense the detergent!
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Post# 34376-11/10/2003-16:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Minneapolis In November
MESSAGE: My son and I went to Minneapolis this last weekend for whirlwind of fun and appliance excitement. A big thank you to all of the MN guys for a super fun few days, we are honored to have such great friends - thank you again for everything!
We spent most of Friday in Don's (jetaction) basement playing with his beautiful machines, trying to fix an electrical problem in the absolutely MINT 1960 General Electric washer. We didn't get it completely worked out, electrical problems can take a lot of time but the machine is on the mend and there is little doubt that Don will be "filter-flo-ing" again soon. Don has a great collection but I felt I should come home and clean my machines a little better - Don's are spotless and sparkled like new. We returned to Don's that evening for a wonderful dinner with Don, Scott and a few of their friends.
Saturday, Scott (scott55405)and Al joined us for an estate sale caravan and a Juicy Lucy lunch. I was really the only one who bought everything, I dragged away three Airway vacuums and a Suzy Homemaker range. Saturday evening we moved Robert's 59 Duomatic and 56 Laundromat from the storage unit to the nearly complete laundry museum in the basement of his new home. I promised I wouldn't post pictures, but I just couldn't resist giving a little sneak preview, it's a truly beautiful space for all those incredible machines.
In fact, this is really the only picture I have to post, I wasn't much of a shutterbug I guess!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Dsc00009.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 34377-11/10/2003-16:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Minneapolis In November
MESSAGE: My son and I went to Minneapolis this last weekend for whirlwind of fun and appliance excitement. A big thank you to all of the MN guys for a super fun few days, we are honored to have such great friends - thank you again for everything!
We spent most of Friday in Don's (jetaction) basement playing with his beautiful machines, trying to fix an electrical problem in the absolutely MINT 1960 General Electric washer. We didn't get it completely worked out, electrical problems can take a lot of time but the machine is on the mend and there is little doubt that Don will be "filter-flo-ing" again soon. Don has a great collection but I felt I should come home and clean my machines a little better - Don's are spotless and sparkled like new. We returned to Don's that evening for a wonderful dinner with Don, Scott and a few of their friends.
Saturday, Scott (scott55405)and Al joined us for an estate sale caravan and a Juicy Lucy lunch. I was really the only one who bought everything, I dragged away three Airway vacuums and a Suzy Homemaker range. Saturday evening we moved Robert's 59 Duomatic and 56 Laundromat from the storage unit to the nearly complete laundry museum in the basement of his new home. I promised I wouldn't post pictures, but I just couldn't resist giving a little sneak preview, it's a truly beautiful space for all those incredible machines.
In fact, this is really the only picture I have to post, I wasn't much of a shutterbug I guess!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Dsc00009.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 34378-11/10/2003-16:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: Get the smelling salts! Beautiful finds Greg, you have quite a nose for appliance hunting!
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Post# 34379-11/10/2003-16:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine
MESSAGE: That is a very handsome machine, what am I doing with my time? You've done an incredible job on that restoration, John, thanks for sharing the pics with us.
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Post# 34380-11/10/2003-16:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: US PATENT NUMBERS from 1900 to 1950
MESSAGE: Thanks, Jimmy, I'm saving this on the hard drive - even if not for the exact dates as you said, but it's sometimes interesting to know when the idea was hatched.
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Post# 34381-11/10/2003-17:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS .... (Wow!)
MESSAGE: my pleasure Mike :), glad you liked the photos, the resolution in the photos is not the best but their good enough I guess ...... I still cannot believe I sold the matching dryer to that WCD-65 (in turquoise no less) that I found. But at least it went to a happy club member. What were the odds that I would find the matching washer ......... who knew, hehe
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Post# 34382-11/10/2003-17:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: HOH dryers were introduced in the late 50's (1956-58) "Big Load" dryer styles (front filter, rear bulkhead and heat grille) were introduced in 1975-76 models.
Do you mean "Dependable Drive" in the washer transmission change in the mid 80's? "Dependable Care" designations for laundry lines don't appear in any of my literature until the offering of several lines bearing the Maytag nameplate.
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Post# 34383-11/10/2003-17:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: thanks much ....
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Post# 34384-11/10/2003-17:36 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
Parts for Frigidaire agitator needed--WAI63
MESSAGE: Can anyone direct me to a source for the red ring and the cap for the agitator for Frigidaire washer model WAI63? Your help would be appreciated. Thanks very much, George Hewett (Fresno, CA)
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Post# 34385-11/10/2003-17:39 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
Parts for Frigidaire agitator--WAI63
MESSAGE: Can anyone direct me to a source for the red ring and the cap for Frigidaire washer model WAI63 agitator? Thanks very much -- George Hewett (Fresno, CA)
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Post# 34386-11/10/2003-17:49 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: thank you :)
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Post# 34387-11/10/2003-17:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS .... (thank you Robert)
MESSAGE: thanks Robert for the info, always appreciated ...........
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Post# 34388-11/10/2003-18:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS .... (thnxG)
MESSAGE: thanks Greg !!!!
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Post# 34389-11/10/2003-18:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: When I say "dep. care" I mean the design with the front filter, rear bulkhead and "heater in the cylinder"
Even though all of them were not called dependable cares, it is easier to say "dep. care" than "the ones with the front lint filter..." After all, no halo of heat was called dependable care, so when I say dep. care, I HAVE to be talking about the other design. Hopefully I cleared up the confusion:-)
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Post# 34390-11/10/2003-19:24 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: We should add an Applianceville Glossary that would cover all makes, years and models with common terms and their definitions. "wigwag""halo of heat""dependable care models" there must be a single word or phrase for those ever loved Frigidaire pusating washers.
Hello everyone. Been away a while. missed the group. It's good to see it is still here going strong. I was i70sn80sguy but I can't remember my password.
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Post# 34391-11/10/2003-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Thats something like the washer my grandmother had-the Sears Kenmore with the black roto-swirl agitator. I"m looking for such a machine. when you watch the roto-swirl work it looks like on one stroke it sucks the clothes down. On the other it pushes them back up.It was also gentler on clothes as well.I also remember my stepmother had one too. Sadly it died.-was replaced with a Maytag in '72 that got in a flood.
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Post# 34392-11/10/2003-19:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags!
MESSAGE: Can go along with you on that-the metal in cabinets is getting thinner like the metal for cars.(too make the car lighter so it uses less gas and doesn't need as much horespower.)You can tell the difference when you pick up the machines or move them.
the cheap thin metal is finding its way into HVAC ducts as well.when air is going thru them-it looks like the regulator bellows on a pipe organ.
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Post# 34393-11/10/2003-19:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: No. The Dependable Care design didn't come out until the late 80's or early 90's, the dryer pictured on ebay is a "Big Load" dryer, a far cry from the Dep. Care design. (maytag's own designation)
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Post# 34394-11/10/2003-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (inexpensive water & energy)
MESSAGE: I don't think that this is an issue for the govt to decide. It should be up to YOU and not them. I work for the govt and some of the folks trying to write these rules are bozos. They don't know ANYTHING about appliances.From present forecasts in my state they mention water and power shuld remain low in cost for awhile. NC isn't going to enact any dereg on water or power to AVIOD the problem California has.With all this going on-it makes the high priced new FL washers "trendy"-some folks will buy them.I think at this stage if you want a FL machine you be better off to buy one of the vintage models frequently discussed here.
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Post# 34395-11/10/2003-20:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Sorry I got the wrong figure for the showerhead. I like it better with it removed-mine is a speakman. Again I think this is an issue the govt should stay out of. I work for them and the folks trying to wite these laws no NOTHING about appliances.The govt wastes more energy then anybody.I did see a transparent front and tub on a Sears Kenmore washer so you could see how the Double action agitator works. At the Maytag dealer they had a similar demo washer so you see how it worked.
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Post# 34396-11/10/2003-20:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: How is it a far cry away from the dep. care models? They are the EXACT same dryers with a different console. My friend has THIS dryer with a different console. It has the same screen in the back where the heat enters. The back is supported by rollers, front supported by glides. "Heater in the cylinder" same lint filter, same blower and motor orientation. They are all the "dep. care" design, even though all of them are not LABELLED as such. Until 1997 or so, maytag made 2, only 2 dryer designs. The halo of heat and the big load/dep. cares. I am not talking about console designs or the names of them, I am talking about the guts of the dryer. The halos are RADICALLY different from the big loads. But the "big loads" are the same as the dep. care models. The "dependable cares" came out in the 80s together with the new consoles (with the right hand side timer and black, shiny background plastic.) however that dryer DESIGN had been around since the mid 70s like you said.
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Post# 34397-11/10/2003-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Sorry I got the wrong figure for the showerhead. I like it better with it removed-mine is a speakman. Again I think this is an issue the govt should stay out of. I work for them and the folks trying to wite these laws no NOTHING about appliances.The govt wastes more energy then anybody.I did see a transparent front and tub on a Sears Kenmore washer so you could see how the Double action agitator works. At the Maytag dealer they had a similar demo washer so you see how it worked.
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Post# 34398-11/10/2003-20:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Here is another perfect set of maytags. Although the console does not interest many people here, these are the SAME Maytags as the one I posted earlier (with different consoles and the dryer is gas. The washer "may" have the orbital but I am not sure.)
Oh and this dryer has electronic or "ignitor" ignition and it DOES have a little access door. Perhaps maytag didn't know how reliable the ignitors would be? Or maybe they had thousands of front panels with access panels that they didn't know what to do with:-)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2359124890&category=20714
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Post# 34399-11/10/2003-20:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: In one of the apartment houses I lived in they had large gas dryers in the main laundramat.One could hold 2 washer loads-1 dime gave you ten min drying time.when they converted these to electric ignition-they left the access door on the front and put a clear lens in it. You could see the igniter resistor glow as the dryer was started.It didn't use the "spark" igniter.I don't remember what brand machine these were.They were cheaper to use then the household type dryer installed later.
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Post# 34400-11/10/2003-20:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: This is something to think about-is it better to keep old things going then replace them? Particularly cars and appliances?Sadly many of these sort of things are made to be thrown out these days.It is logical to try to keep older things going.
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Post# 34401-11/10/2003-20:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (thinner metal)
MESSAGE: I cannot believe the quality in construction of the '51 WO-65 Frigidaire washer I have vs, the ones I have from the sixties which are still much better than today, but they were thinner and especially Frigidaire washers in the seventies, those metal cabinets were even thinner, and their dryers from the seventies seemed cheaply made when I broke one down for parts recently
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Post# 34402-11/10/2003-20:30 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I heard the HOH dryers were difficult to work on especially changing a heating element ........
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Post# 34403-11/10/2003-20:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: That sounds cool. At my lake I walked by a vent and it almost blew me over! It was a dryer vent and it was HUGE (probably one foot diameter.) I saw the back of the dryer through the window, the back was open and I could see the burner. It was nearly as big as a furnace burner! The dryer was probably twice as wide as a normal dryer and 6 feet tall. The whole bottom was probably all blower. It was a MASSIVE dryer. I wish I saw the front to see what brand name was on it.
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Post# 34404-11/10/2003-20:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Maytags built in that era lasted and lasted-kind of like the Everyready battery bunny.Too bad the had to buy NEW Whirlpools to replace these!!In this area its nice to have the machine run off nat gas or propane.Both are popular here. The machines are too far for me.Its still nice to have igniter acess even if electronic-they can fail too.-The spark or resistor igniter element.
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Post# 34405-11/10/2003-20:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: That is why we are here, although it is good MOST people are not like us:-)
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Post# 34406-11/10/2003-20:35 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: A friend of mine has this washer and its the same 'ole "long-stroke" transmission that Maytag had for years, just an updated console with the timer now to the right vs the center, I liked the look of the timer in the center, notice the lesser amount of chrome on the newer model too :(, but he loves his Maytag, ............
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Post# 34407-11/10/2003-20:36 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: They are somewhat difficult. They are rear accesable (requiring pulling out the huge tank to gain access) but in order to replace the front seal or heater, you had to pull the whole cabinet (3 screws on each side at the bottom and you had to get behind it to disconnect the wire harnesses.) Replacing the drum bearing was a bear of a job too (you had to remove the blower housing and then pull the blower.) Fortunately, not many things went wrong. Basically just worn belts and the occasional burnt out heater.
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Post# 34408-11/10/2003-20:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: That describes the ones I used well.When you peaked into the back-you saw the ENORMOUS gas jet element and the Huge drum pulley turned by the motor-the motor also spun the huge blower with a pulley from its other end. The machines WERE loaded with LINT-surprized they didn't have a DRYER MELTDOWN.These machines put out so much heat 20min(two dimes) was enough to dry my 2 washer loads.
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Post# 34409-11/10/2003-20:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I shook my head when I read that line too "we just bought a new set of Whirlpool front loaders." They should have waited until the Maytags died! I guess the people would have died first though...:-)
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Post# 34410-11/10/2003-20:40 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: My friend had this same set too (not quite as fancy, not as many features. But his still was a two speed)
I think it had the same counter-weight tranny too. I have heard what the orbitals sound like (one at my school has one) and they sound really rushed and choppy on high speed. My friends sounded so smooth on high speed. When you closed the lid just a "vroooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm" But his did have worn damper pads:-(
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Post# 34411-11/10/2003-20:42 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: Maybe they were the same. I remember the drum pulley well too. It was massive in the back and there was an open box to the top right (when looking at the back) with the HUGE flame. A regular dryer vent would NOT do for this dryer, that is for SURE.
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Post# 34412-11/10/2003-20:55 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: I emailed the seller and he replied that it's Elecric. I see he revised the listing.
I'm tempted to go for this. I have a Maytag A606 washer and a boring newer Maytag gas drier now. I guess I could run 2 dryers and get the laundry done in half the time. Jeans in the gas dryer, lighter fabric in the electric dryer.
This might be the start of another appliance collection (could be trouble).
Ken D.
(very tempted)
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Post# 34413-11/10/2003-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: This is a good idea-I'm familiar with KN_WP terms but not those for Frigidaire-Esp the "jumping jack" agitator models-I would like to learn more about these.I worked on one once(replace the timer)Would be nice to learn the terms and parts of the mechanism.In reading these discussions I know more than what I used to.
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Post# 34414-11/10/2003-20:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Would like the "long stroke" Maytag mechanism. The one I had was a short stroke.I think the long strokes give better clothes and water circulation. Was that the "GYRAFOAM" system?
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Post# 34415-11/10/2003-22:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: When the large dryers were replaced they had to put adapters on the new single load dryers-so they could be vented into the older large vents.Also the laundry room was not on an outside wall.don't know how their venting worked.Must have been a large exhaust blower that blew the dryer exhaust outside the building.Its funny I can't remember the brand of those machines.Many laundramats had them.
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Post# 34416-11/10/2003-22:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Pollution and lies)
MESSAGE: this could also apply to old broadcast equipment too-The best transmitters still glow in the dark(have tubes)You have more choices of venders selling or rebuilding the tubes as opposed to solid state modules and boards.
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Post# 34417-11/10/2003-22:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: That brings to mind one of my favorite quotes:
"It is always better to be silent and thought the fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
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Post# 34418-11/10/2003-23:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: John just forwarded me a few more pictures of his new '56 Duomatic, so I created two before and after shots of his beautiful restoration. I can't say enough about how talented John in his knowledge of vintage appliance restoration, and the pictures will prove it...
1956 Bendix Before & After #1
1956 Bendix Before & After #2
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Post# 34419-11/10/2003-23:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Pink Dream Kitchen
MESSAGE: In Central New York though...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2570431118&category=620
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Post# 34420-11/10/2003-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Atomic Proof!!
That's incredible!
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Post# 34421-11/11/2003-01:05 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Gas or Electric)
MESSAGE: Uh oh, I should've kept my mouth (err, hands) shut/still:-)
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Post# 34422-11/11/2003-01:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I am not sure what the "gyrafoam" system is? But I know maytag has made 3 transmissions. The long-stroke one, the orbital (short stroke) and the newest Norge based ones (junk without the solenoids.) It goes best-worst in that list:-)
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Post# 34423-11/11/2003-01:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (access door)
MESSAGE: Maybe they were huebsch (spelling?) dryers?
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Post# 34424-11/11/2003-01:10 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I'm serious though, how are there 3 maytag designs? What is the mystery "big load" ones? What is different from the "big load" ones and the "dependable care" ones?
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Post# 34425-11/11/2003-01:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Here is a couple links to two maytag dryers. One is a non-dependable care (I guess it must be the "big load" one)
and the other IS a dependable care, they are the same inside and out except the console and the newer one has an oval door opening.
http://www.applianceaid.com/slidemayd.html (newer dep. care model.)
http://www.american-appliance.com/service_pages/may_dryer/Maytag_Electric_Dryer_Diagnostic_Chart.htm (older "big load" dryer, same insides.)
I also have pics of our dryer (a dependable care.) that is the same as those two (except the console)
Is there a 3rd design (aside from the halo and the "big load/dep. care"?) Not sure how I am being foolish but ok:-|
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Post# 34426-11/11/2003-01:33 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Nice job! alot of work here.
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Post# 34427-11/11/2003-02:04 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: like that advertisement in (not coffee) but Coppertone?
Take me back in time to when buying appliances was fun
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Post# 34428-11/11/2003-07:17 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS .... (Great Pictures Greg)
MESSAGE: Greg,
The machines are wonderful!
I just love the Bendix. It is in such great shape! Was it in someones house when you found it? It looks well taken cared of.
Brent
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Post# 34429-11/11/2003-07:25 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: John,
You are such a talent! I can't get over your Bendix. When I saw the first pictures that Robert posted for you, I thought that when you found your Bendix, it was in the same shape as the one that Gregm posted pictures of. I was shocked at the "before" pictures. Did you have replacement parts, or were you able to clean up the parts that were on it? Some of the parts look different in the second picture, than the first. (besides being showroom clean)
How long did this project take you? I think that it is so cool that you saved this machine from being crushed at the farm. I wonder how many years it was sitting out there. Was the boot still good on the machine when you got it? (Just kidding)
I can't wait to see pictures of your other machines! Thanks for sharing them with us.
Thank You Robert for posting them.
Brent
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Post# 34430-11/11/2003-07:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis In November (I bet you guys had a blast!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Sounds like you had a great trip!
I love the way you teased us about Robert's new house, and basement showroom! I can't wait to see it.
You guys really worked hard this past weekend!
Thanks for the Picture! What was up with that ?
Brent
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Post# 34431-11/11/2003-07:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: incredible !!!
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Post# 34432-11/11/2003-08:24 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Hi Kurt
You must have some amazing toilets in Canada!!!
Here in Aus a full flush uses six litres. (small flush 3litres)
A F&P GW703 (same as US spec L03) uses 205 litres on standard cycle or 150 litres on water saver setting.
So that means a full standard cycle in a top load washing machine uses as much water as 34 full flushes.
An old GE would be way more.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 34433-11/11/2003-08:29 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: I real the 56 duo
didn't they only make this style for one year?
Peter
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Post# 34434-11/11/2003-08:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Here in Los Angeles, only low flow toilets (1.5 gpf) are allowed now, and the Department of Water & Power will actually give people. $100 if they install a low flow toilet, or $75 for each toilet in multiple bathroom homes. Unfortunately, they also have the turn in your old spare refrigerator (as does Southern California Edison) program, so I imagine some beauties are being lost this way. They call the program RETIRE for REfrigerator Turn-In and REcycle. For this, one gets a 6 pack of fouresscent light bulbs. They also give rebates for buying Energy Star rated appliances such as $100 for a 18 cubic foot or larger refrigerator, $50 for a room A/C, $50 for a dishwasher, $75 for a clothes washer. The clothes washer and dishwasher can also qualify for a water conservation rebate in addition to the electricity rebate. They're also doing it for programable thermostats, central A/C, whole house fans, whole house evaporative coolers, high performance windows, & high efficiency pool pumps.
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Post# 34435-11/11/2003-09:02 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: In '93, its 33rd year of use and still going strong, it developed a problem at the beginning of the spin cycle. It would groan and I would have to give the tub a push with my hand to get it spinning. It would be fine after that and complete the spin cycle in good order.
The serviceman said he could fix it but that it had dry rot and that it would only last about another year or so.
He had taken it to his shop in town and when I called to inquire, his wife said it was on the truck to be taken to the dump. I raced my truck up to town and retrieved it. It's been sitting for ten years in a corner of the wash shed patiently waiting.
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Post# 34436-11/11/2003-09:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dryer technology)
MESSAGE: Tell me if I'm right, but seems that dryer technology went through more changes than washer techology during the same period. Maytag and WP/KM come to mind where the early dryers are completely different from the later models whereas the matching washers pretty much stayed the same with minor improvements. Did other manufacturers do complete re-designs of their dryer lines while their washers stayed the same?
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Post# 34437-11/11/2003-09:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Exactly - the first one is a Big Load design, the second link is similar in design elements but too many dryers labelled "Dep Care" (let alone all the part numbers) have changed in styling making it difficult to lump them all together too. The original Dep Care style is different again from the dryers being sold today, a far cry from the original in quality and design that some feel barely deserves the Maytag name. Maytag has continually refined their dryers over the years since the first in 1952, the link is to a 1955 dryer on display at the Maytag factory store which is a completely different design from even the HOH models of the later 50's. Dryers are funny creatures, although the object/function of the machines are the same, many different methods of getting clothes dry have been employed over the years so we must take into account the cabinet and console styling as well as the guts of the machine to have a clear and understandable discussion for everyone. Add to that the condenser models made through the early 60's, the early auto ignition gas dryers of the early 50's and we have an even more confusing discussion. When definitive statements are made that are only partially correct or completely wrong and then vehemently defended, it creates a difficult enviornment for those who wish to learn about these classics.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Sept+03+Ohio&.dnm=Dryer+slightly+used.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 34438-11/11/2003-09:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: I wish I'd taken pics of Don's '65 Lady Kenmore set when I was there, he had washer we found in avocado painted white to match the dryer and created his dream set that are truly beautiful.
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Post# 34439-11/11/2003-09:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: In automatic washers, Maytag has had four different transmissions - AMP style, long stroke, orbital and now the Norge abomination...
The Decline of the Maytag...
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Post# 34440-11/11/2003-09:15 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Your 1960 RotoSwirl)
MESSAGE: That's like music to my ears Jimmy! It would be great if you could manage some time AND I know I'd get an education.
The 118 has developed a clang/knock in agitation mode that gets louder with each new load. I think it is something that is loosening but don't know what it is. Subsequently, I am not using it in fear of damaging something.
Believe it or not I still think constantly of that 71 lighted console sudsaver of yours that got away from me. ))--::
Dick
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Post# 34441-11/11/2003-09:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Frigidaire terms)
MESSAGE: Go back in the message archives and look at gansky1's postings. I remember one of them went into Frigidaire's mechanical history in detail.
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Post# 34442-11/11/2003-09:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Frigidaire terms)
MESSAGE: Go back in the message archives and look at gansky1's postings. I remember one of them went into Frigidaire's mechanical history in detail.
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Post# 34443-11/11/2003-09:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (large dryer brand)
MESSAGE: Probably Huebsch, from the people who also own Speed Queen now.
LINK: http://www.comlaundry.com/
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Post# 34444-11/11/2003-09:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Maytag dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I wanna know, too. Isn't the "Big Load" design and the "Dependable Care" design basically the same, despite the nomenclature Maytag used?
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Post# 34445-11/11/2003-09:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Coppertone)
MESSAGE: seemed to be different names for the same color, when I purchased my '78 LK's, the color was called Coffee
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Post# 34446-11/11/2003-09:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dry Rot?)
MESSAGE: Serviceman: "Dry Rot"
English Translation: "The entire spin tube assembly probably needs to be replaced which means I would have to pull out the whole transmission and everything, get my hands dirty and I might just have actually think about what I'm doing. I better try and talk the customer out of this job." :)
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Post# 34447-11/11/2003-09:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pink Dream Kitchen
MESSAGE: That's not far from where I picked up a 1956 Westy Spacemate. It's out in the middle of nowhere...
-ph
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Post# 34448-11/11/2003-10:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dryer designs)
MESSAGE: To make it simple, I think what we all want to know is how many BASIC, TOTAL dryer designs has Maytag had, ignoring what Maytag called them or any "styling" changes or "improvements" to a design between it's introduction and end of production. We're talking about RADICAL, TOTAL re-design as in going from the early models to HOH and HOH to Big Load. I think what Kurt is saying and I'm wondering is that there doesn't seem to have been as big a change in design from Big Load to the present line as there was from HOH to Big Load. Now do you see what we're trying to find out?
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Post# 34449-11/11/2003-10:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis In November (No words can express...)
MESSAGE: Brent,
That's a machine that you just have to see in real life to believe it. There just are no words in any language that can describe a Pulsamatic in motion.
-ph
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Post# 34450-11/11/2003-10:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Five...
a Condenser
a radial airflow/perforated drum
HOH
big load
Magic Chef/Norge bastard
Please take your debates about Dependable Care over to the Sandbox, the appropiate place for this discussion.
Thanks!
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Post# 34451-11/11/2003-10:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Actually, this is one of those discussions that doesn't really fit in either place, since we're discussing history, which encompasses old AND new stuff. In any case, you've answered the question, so there shouldn't be any more debate to move.
And remember, we don't want to offend the Magic Chef/Norge fans (if there are any, LOL)
:-)
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Post# 34452-11/11/2003-10:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Early dryer auto ignition)
MESSAGE: So how did these early auto ignition dryers work? I take it there were problems since they went back to pilot lights for some years.
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Post# 34453-11/11/2003-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: What an amazing job!! This is restoring a washer back into it's true glory, it's a museum piece!
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Post# 34454-11/11/2003-16:22 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Ours are 13.5 litre toilets. That would be about 4 gallons. So I guess it would take 10 flushes to make an average top loader cycle. I guess I was a little off:-)
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Post# 34455-11/11/2003-16:22 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Wow, Bob! Thanks for sharing. I'm awestruck and almost speechless. The only thing that I can think of saying is that I salute John for his talent, and for time, effort and everything else that he does to restore these beauties. He is truly to be admired.
Mike
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Post# 34456-11/11/2003-16:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Dry rot? Doesn't that only happen to wood?!
If you needed to help the machine start, perhaps the motor was wasted?
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Post# 34457-11/11/2003-16:31 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I was never talking about the junk Maytag has now (the performa and atlantis, those are hardly maytags)
I am talking about the differences (or lack of) between the "big load" dryers and the dep. care ones (until about 1997 or so) honestly tell me, take the console off the two dryers on the links and tell me there are any differences? Consoles was the only changes maytag made to their "big load" dryers. This is like saying all kenmore belt drives are not created equal. That because one belt drive has one console and is called one thing, then another belt drive cannot be called a belt drive because it is named differently. That would be off quite a bit right? Since I can only see 2 major changes in belt drives. First, the early belt drives had a different clutch and brake. Second, the early BDs didn't have a pump flap (rather the whole pump moved) those changes are insignificant to the whole machine. Just like console and door changes to maytag's dryers are insignificant. You cannot say there were two seperate styles of maytags based only on the console. BTW the pic you linked was a halo of heat, a completely different design from the "big load/dep. care" models.
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Post# 34458-11/11/2003-16:32 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Oh ya, I forgot about the AMP:-( Was it a good one? How come they changed it when they changed the AMP to the famous Maytag.
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Post# 34459-11/11/2003-16:33 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Maytag dryer designs)
MESSAGE: That is what I was trying to say. Take off the console and they are the exact same machine:-)
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Post# 34460-11/11/2003-16:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Again, more statements you cannot back up with real knowlege. The picture I linked to was a 1955 dryer, several years before the HOH design was introduced. I linked to that picture to show you firsthand that Maytag has had more than just two dryer designs as you claimed in your previous post. Can you tell by looking at the picture posted if the dryer is gas or electric? Be careful, it's a tricky call...
You should spend some more time studying parts manuals and working on these machines before you claim to know it all. It's OK to be incorrect, we are all here to share and learn.
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Post# 34461-11/11/2003-18:11 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Exactly. Once and for all, here are the 2 designs maytag has ever produced based on their insides, not the console or small differences.
1. Halo of heat. This is from their first dryer (whether or not is was called halo of heat) to when they stopped making them in the mid-late 70s.
2. Big load/dependable care. (no matter what they were called.)
These were apparently first made in the mid 70s and were made until a couple years ago when Maytag went to the "L-shaped door" design (still similar, but different enough to warrant a different design.)
That is how I think of them anyhow, if I didn't make this clear before, sorry.
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Post# 34462-11/11/2003-18:16 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: I had no clue Maytag made the first 2 designs. Learn something new every day I guess.
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Post# 34463-11/11/2003-18:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Early dryer auto ignition)
MESSAGE: I should have been more clear. For one thing, I never knew Maytag made 5 different designs. And the whole time I was talking about the main operating parts in the dryer. So there were/are 5 seperate designs, with more sub-designs with smaller differences like doors, consoles etc.
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Post# 34464-11/11/2003-18:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
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RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I just realized I was wrong. What was the dryer that you linked? A perf. drum or the condensation one?
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Post# 34465-11/11/2003-18:24 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Alright, this is getting more confusing by the minute. Maytag's site says the HOH "design" came out in 1953, scroll down and it is there. Could Maytag be wrong? I don't know...
They also say the HOH was their first automatic dryer.
LINK: http://63.111.60.135/pressroom/js/history.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes
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Post# 34466-11/11/2003-19:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Maybe it needs a new spin clutch?
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Post# 34467-11/11/2003-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: I wonder if the tech ment the spin clutch and spin tube was bad? From the symptons given-sounds like spin components problems. I would think the old girl could be revived and go for another 30yrs!Sounds like it works OK in other modes.
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Post# 34468-11/11/2003-19:59 ||| gregm (MA)
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RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-) (from what yr to yr ?)
MESSAGE: greg, do you know from what year to what year those four style trannys were made ???
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Post# 34469-11/11/2003-20:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: The toilets in my house are 5Gal flush models-since the house was built in 1972. I thought that most washer tubs held anywhere from 12-17 gal. this would mean with the 5Gal potty you would need to flush it about 6 times for a total wash-rinse load. Someone tried to modify one of my toilets to use less water-I removed the mod-because of frequent clogging and plunging. Since you had to flush it MORE-you would be wasting MORE water with the mod in place.Whats worse is the garden hose-You run that for an hour and that equals several washer loads.(cold cycles)I can't remember the dates -the 5Gal toilets standard went to 3.5 Gal then to the present 1.5Gal. that the only type available. You have to spend a lot to get a good one.When I remodeled a freinds house we bought ones that were about $200 each. Old type 5Gal models were as low as $75 each when they were still available.The cheap low flush toilets are only good for planters! You will need to keep the plunger beside them-or flush them several times.
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Post# 34470-11/11/2003-20:11 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ? awsome dryers)
MESSAGE: oh greg what an awsome pic of that wonderful dryer it looks like a perfect match to my 54 tag washer even if its a 55 id love to have that baby and thanks for the link to the pink kitchen who wouldnt love to have that
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Post# 34471-11/11/2003-20:13 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ? awsome dryers)
MESSAGE: oh greg what an awsome pic of that wonderful dryer it looks like a perfect match to my 54 tag washer even if its a 55 id love to have that baby and thanks for the link to the pink kitchen who wouldnt love to have that
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Post# 34472-11/11/2003-20:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I mentioned that because I saw the term in old old Better Homes and Gardens magazine I have that dates from the early 50's. The Maytag ad used the term for wringer washer and early top-load automatic that was shown in the ad.In the wringer washer I have-the agitator strokes are long and powerful.Not quick and short in the Maytag I had in the early 90's. I like the long strokes much better-much better circulation-and I think easier on the clothes.I looked up the SN on the Maytag wringer I have-it was one of those built during the 80's.It is not old.The Norge based ones-I wonder if it is a PLASTIC transmission?
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Post# 34473-11/11/2003-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (large dryer brand)
MESSAGE: In looking at the Huebesch link-that is what it must of been-They resembled the 25-35LB single machines.I just remember the dryers were large-huge gas elements -and light blue cabinets.,with chrome trim.The blue paint was heat discolored where the gas burner was.
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Post# 34474-11/11/2003-20:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: This was a perf. drum, air flow model - that door at the bottom is not for the gas valve/burner but the lint collection drawer! These are very cool dryers, I should have grabbed a pink 58 dryer that I saw over in Iowa as it was an electric ignition model which is very rare indeed. (the shop had the washer as well, in pink, but it started to leak oil so they threw it away...ugh!) I heard about it three years ago and the dryer is still there so I guess I have time yet to grab it.
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Post# 34475-11/11/2003-20:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I've seen that, isn't that odd? The "Spirit Of Maytag" book they printed some years ago lists their first dryer as 1953 and the HOH design in 54 but from the service and parts info and sales lit. that I have here, it wasn't until a few years after that the HOH came out... Strange corporate propaganda I guess - keep it simple for the simple folk I guess, but little do they know we are out here picking to bits every model made!
Perhaps we should contract with some of these companies to compile accurate chronological timelines for them, then all this hashing and re-hashing would pay off!
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Post# 34476-11/11/2003-20:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (dryer ignition systems)
MESSAGE: BTW, the electric ignition that I spoke of that is so rare was used on a few models here and there prior to the intro of the HOH line. It was simply a bimetal spark ignition to light the pilot each time the dryer was started. I have this system on my 54 Speed Queen which worked perfectly when I found it. It seems like a fairly reliable way to avoid the standing pilot light but strangely Maytag dropped with the HOH dryers and didn't use electric (glow-bar) ignition again until the Big Load machines came out in 75-76.
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Post# 34477-11/11/2003-20:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: The 1.5gal flush is effective everywhere-you can't buy higher gal toilets anymore.Bummer if you have to turn that cool old fridge for a box of Flourescent light bulbs-should be more than that. They should realize that some appliances may have sentimental value to some people.Do the old ones turned in go to the bailer?-What a waste actually.The rebates to me aren't enough for me to act. Want and should get more.Acually they should just encourage people to use their older appliances more efficiently rather than have you turn them in to be junked. Puts MORE strain on the old mother earth. I think the rebates make more sense for devices such as the programmable timer thermostats(use with that older HVAC unit),Evaporative coolers(Desert coolers from the New Mexico area I lived in)the whole house fan or blower. The insulated windows are being encouraged everywhere. The rebates also make sense for higher efficieny pool pumps and filters. I guess people around there don't use pool heaters anymore. I used to live in LA rea over 30 yrs ago.The "desert coolers" and whole house fans should work well in that area since the humidity was low.
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Post# 34478-11/11/2003-20:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ? awsome dryers)
MESSAGE: I saw one of these dryers at an estate sale a year or so ago but the dryer was trapped in a basement that obviously was remodeled around it. It was a gas model and only $5 but would have to be completely torn down to be removed!
If this pink kitchen were closer to me I'd be in the van right now!
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Post# 34479-11/11/2003-21:35 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Yes it is true that this machine was only made for 1 year only which makes it so very rare.I took me over 20 years to find mine.Take care,John
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Post# 34480-11/11/2003-21:45 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: Brent, The pictures of the 56 Duomatic are of the machine that I had shipped from the Sanfran.bay area last summer.It took about 3 weeks to do a total restoration on this machine. all parts are original to the machine.I had to add a few new things.There are before and afters of the back as well.I am sure Robert will post them when he gets a chance.Take Care will post lots of pictures soon, John
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Post# 34481-11/11/2003-21:47 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!!)
MESSAGE: Robert , Thanks so much for posting the pictures.John
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Post# 34482-11/11/2003-21:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: I would love to see this machine in action! It is wonderful John.
I have seen many Bendix washers, but have never had the chance to see on in action! You did such a wonderful job! I bet that you watch it the whole time it is washing! What Fun!
Thanks for the photo's again!
Brent
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Post# 34483-11/11/2003-21:50 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Minneapolis In November (No words can express... Oh No! I Agree!)
MESSAGE: Peter,
I was just picking on Greg that he was able to be there and have so much fun! I always enjoy the pictures that he does post to the club.
I would love to see one of these Frigidaires in action!
Brent
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Post# 34484-11/11/2003-21:59 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
Frig. DW
MESSAGE: I was in a antique shop on the weekend out of town, the barn had so much stuff in it but I spotted a Frig. DW The guy said he pulled it from a house only used 10 times. MINT CONDITION. Not sure of the age 30 yrs I think. The bottom spray arn was black bakealite with a stainless steel rotating spray arm on it. I think it might be just after the spin tube design. Any idea what year & is it worth picking up ??????? No Timer dial , all push button. Michael
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Post# 34485-11/11/2003-22:35 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Ya I was thinking that after I posted "how would it agitate and pump out ok?" so it sounds like the basket drive was tired. Or the center post bearings were bad and the guy didn't want to go to the trouble of changing them?
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Post# 34486-11/11/2003-22:38 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: The norge crap is still a metal casing, but it is probably full of plastic gears:-( I liked the long-stroke transmission best. The nice smooth strokes worked well with Maytag's agitator (with the huge fins)
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Post# 34487-11/11/2003-22:39 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Those sound cool. Maytag's site makes no mention of it so it must not have been very popular. That is a shame since the dryer looks so cool.
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Post# 34488-11/11/2003-22:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Too bad Maytag doesn't mention all of their appliance designs and innovations. It would be awesome if they had a picture (mint condition) of an appliance from each year from the 1940s until the 80s. Electrolux USA did this with their vacuums, it was very cool. I bet the pictures some people have here could fill up most of those years with awesome pics:-)
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Post# 34489-11/11/2003-22:43 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: I don't know that the 1.5 gal toilet law is effective here. Our house was built 15 years ago so our toilets are just old heaps:-) But I should check into that, I don't think people here HAVE to buy a low-flo toilet.
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Post# 34490-11/11/2003-22:47 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Sorry to reply to my own post. But I think it is cool how Maytag gained so much popularity without
a. changing its agitators much
b. adding feature after feature
c. changing the overall look much
while other popular makers (whirlpool/kenmore, GE etc) were changing agitators and consoles every 6 months so that people would think "that is a new and improved washer, I better get one" Instead maytag kept it simple and sold its washers based on reliability. If that happened today, they would be long gone (no one wants quality anymore)
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Post# 34491-11/11/2003-23:28 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gyromatic John's Dream Machine (More Pictures from John!!! WOW!)
MESSAGE: Thanks John so much for sharing the pictures with all of us and to Robert for posting them. You did a fantastic job on restoring this beauty. I have spent many hours on a stool watching and listening to this very model. My neighbor while growing up had one just like it and I was fascinated with it. She sensed my love of the machine and put the little stool near the machine just for me. Hard to believe you were able to do all that work in just three weeks. I sure would love to see and hear this machine someday again. Loved the sound it made when it went into the spin cycle. Please do share more pictures with us. Thanks so much. Terry
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Post# 34492-11/12/2003-00:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: The agitator in my Maytag wringer does have large vanes on the base-a thin post with small fins on it. I guess for the Norge one will have to do a post Mortem on a dead one to see-bet there is a lot of them out there waiting in line to the bailer.
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Post# 34493-11/12/2003-00:47 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: Up until Maytag copied Whirlpool's dual action agitator once the patent ran out, Maytag had excellent agitators. Their older, straight agitators work better (IMO) than their new "load sensing, dual action" ones.
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Post# 34494-11/12/2003-01:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: For the most part Maytag stuck to what works-got to admire them for that-keeps enginnering and design costs down too. Bet their engineering and design staff must of been bored like the Maytag techs.The other washers were still the same guts wise-just visible things like control bridges and agitators. At one time I had a selection of various KN-WP agitators-they would all fit the machine I had.That is sad no one wants quality anymore-they may change their minds though if the quality was offered to them.
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Post# 34495-11/12/2003-01:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: don't worry-the "potty police " won't get you.It just means(in the US) that the only toilets available are the 1.5Gal flush models. I don't know what the rules are in Canada.You don't have to buy the low flow models unless your old ones go.
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Post# 34496-11/12/2003-01:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I've only tried the WP-KN agitator model. Haven't tried the Maytag one. I can remember that Whirlpool tried to sue Maytag on the agitator issue. Don't kn ow how the verdict turned out.
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Post# 34497-11/12/2003-01:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: That would be nice-I am looking for the poster on the Electrolux vacs. I have a similar listing for Kirby vacs in their proof book.(salesmans book)There is a large poster at the "lux dealer near me.
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Post# 34498-11/12/2003-01:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: There actually ARE some low flow toilets that work well, but you have to be very careful and observe the different brands in use. Some are horrible, others work pretty good.
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Post# 34499-11/12/2003-01:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Sounds like either way it was major surgery and the tech didn't want to do it and convinced the owner.It would be worthwhile though-if it were mine I would do it or have it done.
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Post# 34500-11/12/2003-01:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: And even then, it's not illegal to buy used, higher gpf toilets.
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Post# 34501-11/12/2003-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: Its also sad that many book publishers aren't aware there are a lot of appliance fans out there-large and small appliances. I have only seen ONE book on this matter. The book is on SMALL appliances. I found it on the "bargain table" at a bookstore.More "doco" would be appreciated on this subject.I also like to collect small appliances-mostly blenders,mixers. Have a small collection of Vita-mix blenders. Looking for the really old models.
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Post# 34502-11/12/2003-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: No it isn't -The manufacturers just don't make them anymore.-Used ones are OK. I haven't found anyone who sells them.
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Post# 34503-11/12/2003-01:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
POD for the day
MESSAGE: Seen the new POD That Whirlpool Imperial is so cool-Want one of those!!
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Post# 34504-11/12/2003-02:07 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Ya I know that:-) But I thought I remember seeing regular toilets at home improvement stores. I should go down to Home Depot and look at their "thrones" to see what is and isn't available.
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Post# 34505-11/12/2003-02:08 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: So many Maytags, too few collectors:-)
MESSAGE: I think Whirlpool won and Maytag had to pay them and stop putting in the copied agitators. But now since the patent has long since expired, dual action agitators are everywhere (I know, I know, sandbox...)
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Post# 34506-11/12/2003-02:09 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (year ?)
MESSAGE: I saved the lux picture on my computer, I could fish it out of the computer's depths and send it to you if you want:-)
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Post# 34507-11/12/2003-02:12 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: It looks SO awesome. So much to look at on that washer. And it has a CENTER TIMER, that is so cool:-) I like the semitrical (spelling) look of center timers. Perhaps that is why I love Maytag's center timer consoles:-)
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Post# 34508-11/12/2003-06:29 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: This has to be the one of the coolest looking machines whirlpool made. How long did they produce this particular style model? One year?
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Post# 34509-11/12/2003-06:30 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: You and me both :-)
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Post# 34510-11/12/2003-07:00 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
POD (ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Hello again, I know i ask a lot of questions but this is how you learn.I have found lots of information on this site. Until
I found this site i never knew dryers used to have "ozone lamps". The question is was whirlpool the only maker putting ozone lamps in the WP/KM washers,and how long did they continue to do so? Also what benefit were they or was it just a gimmick?
Thanks guys
Pat
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Post# 34511-11/12/2003-07:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Toilets are no classic appliances as far as I know so please take this discussion to the Sandbox.
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Post# 34512-11/12/2003-07:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: For crying out loud, over 25% of the posts these days are from you and a lot of them don't contribute to this site a lot. Can't you stop babbling for a while?!
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Post# 34513-11/12/2003-07:41 ||| calypso bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig. DW
MESSAGE: Mike,
That Frigidaire DW may be worth saving if it is in excellent condition. The model you speak of is a Custom Imperial, the only one to have all pushbuttons. My Mom had one in the mid to late 60's. That model came out around 66' 67' and continued into the early - mid 70's. I am not sure exactly as I have limited info on these.
Good luck
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Post# 34514-11/12/2003-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Hi Dick
Dry rot is in wood, not steel. I wonder what he was on about?
My first guess for your machine is clutch adjustment. The spin clutch on old Whirlpool washers is adjustable. Over years the clutch faces wear and eventually the clutch slips. A simple (though difficult to reach from memory) adjustment drops the basket drive back down onto the clutch, taking up the wear. Away it goes! That may be all that is wrong with your washer.
Chris.
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Post# 34515-11/12/2003-10:06 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Yes, I also wonder now (ten years later) what he was talking about. He was an older man who had come highly recommended and so I was satisfied that he had had a lot of experience on these old machines and would know what he was talking about. Maybe not-maybe he, like another member has already stated, just didn't want to fuss with it.
I also thought, like Kurt wrote and you have also mentioned, that dry rot only pertained to wood--BUT I just took his word and didn't question it at all.
The machine at the time of his visit was otherwise performing perfectly as far as agitation and pumping. The faltering beginning spin was the only problem.
Maybe I had kind of "set" myself up for his bad news as during the last few years of using it (early 90s), I had occasionally thought of just how much longer this old machine would last.
Mom had purchased it from Sears back in I believe late 59 just before Xmas and it had seen much action washing for a very active family of five. Then in the late 60s she gave it to me. From that time right on thru to the latter 80s it continued to wash for me and various roommates who each had his own particular way of washing.
I remember one time when I was sent out of state on business for a couple of months and a phone call from my roommate at the time. He said that the pump was getting bad and slowing down so what did he do about it? Well, he set the water level on low and washed clothes saying that at low level the pump was able to shoot out the water during the two minute increment which allowed it do spin! Was I hot! I told him to get a new pump put on and get that water level back up to high!I then moved to my present location in the late 80s and it continued to wash for me until 93.
It's a great machine with one hell of a lot of memories attached and I want to see it going again one of these days.
Dick
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Post# 34516-11/12/2003-10:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD for the day (1956)
MESSAGE: I have that exact same washer from 1956, its in mint shape, but I am having major timer issues, in the connection process, otherwise I hope to get it running soon, lots of lights !!! :)
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Post# 34517-11/12/2003-10:27 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig. DW (save it)
MESSAGE: I agree with Bruce, save it ........
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Post# 34518-11/12/2003-10:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
pink kitchen on ebay
MESSAGE: The reserve is at $1,000.00 I was going to bid, but unsure, I am not going to pay near that much that is for sure, plus the frig, DW, disposal, and combo DO NOT work if I understood the seller directly. Only the stove works ........ plus I asked to be sure that everything would be disconnected BEFORE pickup, he said yes, but even asking for "disconnected" can be vague ......... oh well, sure is cool looking .........
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Post# 34519-11/12/2003-12:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Hi Pat, those Ozone lamps were used from the very beginning in the WP/KN washers starting back in '48, I believe they were used on the Top of the Line Machines (Lady Kenmore) all the way into 1960 or 1961 or so. They were simply a gimmick, even CU recognized this and reported it.
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Post# 34520-11/12/2003-12:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Was this type of light used with the dryers that featured the "Sun-E-Day" lamp? Was that also a Kenmore/Whirlpool thing?
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Post# 34521-11/12/2003-13:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert.Did any other manufacturer use these lamps?
I would think having that light so close to the splashing water and soap,they would pop if splashed on.Can you imagine the lawsuits LOL. I'm sure the engineers figured that out.
Those old KM/WP machines sure had neat little bells and whistles. I like that center timer whirlpool,it's too bad they did'nt make that design longer..sort of maytagish...It is certainly a nice machine to look at.
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Post# 34522-11/12/2003-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Yes and Yes. They are all the same mercury style-bulbs.
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Post# 34523-11/12/2003-13:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Lets see, they were used in many dryers, Hamilton, Frigidaire (Filtrators), Bendix, I'm sure there were others too. Anyone else care to add to this list?
Those mercury ozone bulbs produce very little heat so I would doubt that they would break by having water splashed on them. If they did the broken bulb would have dumped mercury into the wash water, now that's what I call a "softener".
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Post# 34524-11/12/2003-14:10 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: Hey Everyone,
I've got a few old Sears Catalogs (1958, 1961, 1965 and 1972). If anyone wants, I can scan washer/dryer catalog pages and send them if you'd like to use them for POD's.
Jeff
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Post# 34525-11/12/2003-15:41 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: they were also used in the Maytag perforated drum dryers!....
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Post# 34526-11/12/2003-15:49 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! ( 5 dryer designs)
MESSAGE: Greetings Peter! I had no idea that Maytag made a condenser dryer except in the combo model. I knew about the other models as my Grandmother had a perforated drum model that took forever to dry anything. It had a 100 minute timer and at times towels were still NOT dry after 100 minutes! When she gave it to me, I moved the thermostat sensor wire from just above the vent drawer to the exhaust at the top back of the dryer and it dried MUCH better. It also got a lot hotter. The only thing that I ever replaced in that dryer was the motor start capacitor. So far as I know it's still running. The washer quit back in the early 70's and before I could get it, it was hauled away never to be seen again and replaced by a top loading Westinghouse that was a really great washer. Had colored buttons in the tup for water level indicators! Mark
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Post# 34527-11/12/2003-17:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (Very Cool Jeff)
MESSAGE: Jeff,
If you do scan them, would you mind to email me some. I would love to see those.
Brent
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Post# 34528-11/12/2003-17:37 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (scappage laws)
MESSAGE: I don't think the lawmakers understand that most refrigerators from the 40s and 50s are quite energe efficient. I'm not talking about the no-frost models, but the regular natural-draft refrigerators with no fans, no heaters, no timer etc.
The energy waisters are the 60s, 70s, 80s frost-free friges.
I cringe when I think of a 1948 Crosly Shelvador being scrapped in the name of ecology.
Here's an interesting article:
Ken D.
LINK: http://hem.dis.anl.gov/eehem/01/010705.html
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Post# 34529-11/12/2003-17:38 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff. yes could you send me pictures also.
Thank you
Pat
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Post# 34530-11/12/2003-18:11 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: No I can't, have a good day too!
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Post# 34531-11/12/2003-18:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (KM Death Sentence)
MESSAGE: I think they had two different adjustment designs. One older and one newer. One had two washers and removing a washer allowed the clutch to drop more therefore it took up the slack of the worn clutch face. The other I think had an adjusting nut instead of the washers.
How's this foraloysius? :-)
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Post# 34532-11/12/2003-18:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: Well, at least you agree you are babbling. That's a good start! Now it's time to learn that babbling is for old women's knitting clubs, not for this site.
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Post# 34533-11/12/2003-18:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (1972 washers)
MESSAGE: Can you scan the 1972 washers for me including the 800?
Thanks.
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Post# 34534-11/12/2003-18:54 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (water use laws)
MESSAGE: This isn't a knitting club? That's news to me!
"It looks SO awesome. So much to look at on that washer. And it has a CENTER TIMER, that is so cool:-) I like the semitrical (spelling) look of center timers. Perhaps that is why I love Maytag's center timer consoles:-)"
"Ya I was thinking that after I posted "how would it agitate and pump out ok?" so it sounds like the basket drive was tired. Or the center post bearings were bad and the guy didn't want to go to the trouble of changing them?"
"Too bad Maytag doesn't mention all of their appliance designs and innovations. It would be awesome if they had a picture (mint condition) of an appliance from each year from the 1940s until the 80s. Electrolux USA did this with their vacuums, it was very cool. I bet the pictures some people have here could fill up most of those years with awesome pics:-)"
"Sorry to reply to my own post. But I think it is cool how Maytag gained so much popularity without
a. changing its agitators much
b. adding feature after feature
c. changing the overall look much
while other popular makers (whirlpool/kenmore, GE etc) were changing agitators and consoles every 6 months so that people would think "that is a new and improved washer, I better get one" Instead maytag kept it simple and sold its washers based on reliability. If that happened today, they would be long gone (no one wants quality anymore)"
"My friend had this same set too (not quite as fancy, not as many features. But his still was a two speed)
I think it had the same counter-weight tranny too. I have heard what the orbitals sound like (one at my school has one) and they sound really rushed and choppy on high speed. My friends sounded so smooth on high speed. When you closed the lid just a "vroooommmmmmmmmmmmmmm" But his did have worn damper pads:-("
Read all my posts before saying "you never post anything on topic on this site."
Also, don't just get bent about me, it takes more than one person to get off topic, don't be afraid to "correct" them. (BTW I am not "telling" on anyone so don't get the wrong idea.) I have seen at least 2 other people "babble" as you would call it, yet where's your rude corrections about babbling and knitting clubs? Too bad some people here are so biased when it comes to keeping on topic. Do you ever notice I NEVER start an off topic post? My last two starters were about vintagish appliances (1970s.)
If you start controlling the posts that go by on this site, it will get VERY bland and boring VERY fast. Just let the subjects go by without sticking your nose in, you can just skip over the posts from me you see as boring. I DO bring on-topic posts to this site, however I do get off-topic occasionally. Sticking your nose in just extends the off-topic posts.
How's that for a babble:-) Have a great day!
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Post# 34535-11/12/2003-18:57 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: That's why I liked it:-) Maytag's center-timer console is my all time favorite one. Add it to a whirlpool/kenmore belt drive and that is one cool washer:-)
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Post# 34536-11/12/2003-18:58 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: I HAVE to see the inside of one of those Maytags! I wonder what type of suspension they used:-)?
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Post# 34537-11/12/2003-19:08 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (What about the 1972 Kenmores????)
MESSAGE: "Jeff":
You can put me on the list as well. I would like to see what the 1972 Kenmores look like. Like, was 1972 the year they finally did away with the metal handles on the lids, and so forth.
I would like to see the whole line, including the Model 800, the Alphabet Washer (if there was one out back in 1972), as well as the 1972 Lady.
Just in case you need it to place it in an attachment, my "e-mail" address is "chaskelljr1_@hotmail.com"
Thanks In Advance........
--Charles--
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Post# 34538-11/12/2003-19:17 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (58 model year)
MESSAGE: I should have been specific..sorry about that.Could you scan the 58 model line?
My e-mail is cola0767@aol.com
Thanks
Pat
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Post# 34539-11/12/2003-20:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Oh-yes-the ozone lamps.-or should I say UV lamps-when these bulbs produced the UV light-the ozone was produced by the uv rays passing thru the air around the bulb.I don't know why WP-KN put these in a washer--the UV rays are blocked by water!Only things on the surface above the water are exposed.In a dryer I would think the airflow generated by the dryer blower would render the ozone generating ability to be next to nothing. The air has to move SLOWLY around the bulb to be effective.Some fabrics could be damaged by the intense UV light at the short range if the lamp shines directly on them(cottons,nylons,dacron)are what comes to mind-these are commonly used for flags,sails and these deteriate from the UV from the sun.I bet the whiteners in the detergent would look pretty cool under the light if you turn the room lights off-Would make a cool-blue or greenish glow. The whiteteners make your clothes look "whiter" when veiwed under sunlight or flourescent light.
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Post# 34540-11/12/2003-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sun-E-Day)
MESSAGE: Oh-yes-the ozone lamps.-or should I say UV lamps-when these bulbs produced the UV light-the ozone was produced by the uv rays passing thru the air around the bulb.I don't know why WP-KN put these in a washer--the UV rays are blocked by water!Only things on the surface above the water are exposed.In a dryer I would think the airflow generated by the dryer blower would render the ozone generating ability to be next to nothing. The air has to move SLOWLY around the bulb to be effective.Some fabrics could be damaged by the intense UV light at the short range if the lamp shines directly on them(cottons,nylons,dacron)are what comes to mind-these are commonly used for flags,sails and these deteriate from the UV from the sun.I bet the whiteners in the detergent would look pretty cool under the light if you turn the room lights off-Would make a cool-blue or greenish glow. The whiteteners make your clothes look "whiter" when veiwed under sunlight or flourescent light.
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Post# 34541-11/12/2003-20:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (scappage laws)
MESSAGE: Not only 'fridges,but also other older machines-It mainly depends on the USER-not the machine itself.Some of these laws are also (lest for fridges)in concern about the "freon" based refrigerants in them. They are fine if they stay in the fridges system.Some scientists think that the manmade freons are not really a problem-its the ones released from volcanic eruptions that are MORE of a problem.Those scientist feel that more "freon" may be released from one major volcanic eruption than what man has relased in the last 50yrs!!However it has been said that energy use of manual defrost boxes can be just as bad as auto ones if they are not defrosted regularly(usually once per month)If the ice build up-it can act as an insulator causing the compresser to run longer.
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Post# 34542-11/12/2003-20:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: That would be helpful.Could help in indentification for those WP-KN hunters.
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Post# 34543-11/12/2003-20:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD for the day
MESSAGE: Another thing about it-there is two future WP washer watchers there! Bet we know wich machine they will look for when they get much older!
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Post# 34544-11/12/2003-20:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: In some old Better Homes and Gardens magazines I have that date from the late 40's and 50's they mention these bulbs in WP washers and dryers made in those days.
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Post# 34545-11/12/2003-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: These were "cold cathode" type bulbs so the heat from them was next to nothing.They had a ballast coil or resistor. that was away from the washwater though.
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Post# 34546-11/12/2003-21:21 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
VINTAGE THERMADOR COOKTOP ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: OK boys! Here is a wonderful old cooktop! Would be a shame if someone in the club didn't get it!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2358098584&category=20712
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Post# 34547-11/12/2003-21:26 ||| Envus1 (Waterloo, IL)
SUBJECT:
Vintage Admiral Refrigerators
MESSAGE: Looking for any help on finding Parts and or any information on a Model# 809, or Serial #1475118
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Post# 34548-11/12/2003-21:56 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: VINTAGE THERMADOR COOKTOP ON EBAY!!! (Get it Mark!)
MESSAGE: That is a cool cook top.
You know though, to me the size of the elements look like the Frigidaire elements.
Is this the range that had the ozone bulbs under each element? (Just Kidding)
Brent
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Post# 34549-11/12/2003-22:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (scappage laws)
MESSAGE: Thats the biggest part of the problem-lawmakers don't know about appliances-thats the big reason I want to see fed and state govts out of this matter.Let the matrketplace and the people decide.The people and marketplace have more intellegence than most lawmakers!!
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Post# 34550-11/12/2003-22:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: VINTAGE THERMADOR COOKTOP ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I could use another cooktop-this one is too large to fit in my countertop-too bad. It did catch my interest. The whole counter would have to be replaced to hold it. It is a nice one!!
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Post# 34551-11/12/2003-22:52 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (sears catalog appliances)
MESSAGE: last year, thanks to Ebay, I was able to purchase all the Sears catalogs starting from 1967 to 1987(almost all). It was so much fun documenting the changes over the years. Even from like 1970 to 1980. Wow, from wringer washers and wash boards to shag carpet and carpet steam cleaners. And yes the Ladys, the 800s, and the computerized models. Seeing how the different colors changed through time. AHHH but... I'm sure I am the only one here who could get into this.
But I too could post pics. I'll get a scanner.
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Post# 34552-11/12/2003-23:19 ||| stvwisco (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: originally refrigerators had the heat exchanger on top. Remember those from the 1930s or so that looked like they were wearing hats. The exchanger was wrapped around the compressor. Very energy efficient. heat rises. cold air falls. Apparently utility companies slanted refrigerator designs towards their liking by sticking the exchanger UNDER the box so a typical US refrigerator has to work much harder to cool since-hot air rises, cold air falls. Plus many need fans, that uses more energy. And refrigerators, unlike most other appliances can conceivably run 24 hours a day, (if a criminal utility is lucky). Refrigerators could still be the same dimensions they are now but with a condensor on the top rear and no fan needed plus easy to clean, also quieter. I can't say that about my new kenmore side by side. apparently someone thought winding the condensor coil in circles under the machine would be "better" than the older style flat coils. These are impossible to clean now using a long thin bottle type brush.
The older ones(1930s or so) were definately better at being efficient.
Apparently there was a time in the 20s,30s,40s whatever, when refrigerators using amonia, much like those found in RVs these days were mass produced. I have a camping trailer and this refrig makes no noise. Does anyone know more about these amonia based models from the earlier part of 1900s? And what happened to them?
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Post# 34553-11/12/2003-23:23 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Unfortunatly with the older condensor types (on top and on the back) you would have someone who would jam the fridge into a space not an inch bigger than the fridge and then the better efficiency of the top or rear condensor would go WAY down. That is about the only good thing about bottom, fan cooled condensors, the fridge can be stuffed pretty much anywhere. Unfortunatly the bottom condensors are much less efficient than a properly installed top or rear unit. Plus they plug up with dirt and hair like MAD.
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Post# 34554-11/12/2003-23:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (sears catalog appliances)
MESSAGE: [posting timidly]
I'd love to take a jaunt through a history of Sears catalogs.
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Post# 34555-11/12/2003-23:34 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen too! Here's a pic of the ozone bulb in the 1958 SQ model 107.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/vwp?.dir=/Speed+Queen+Dryer&.dnm=ozone+bulb.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/lst%3f%26.dir=/Speed%2bQueen%2bDryer%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 34556-11/13/2003-00:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE:
Gizmo wrote: My first guess for your machine is clutch adjustment. The spin clutch on old Whirlpool washers is adjustable. Over years the clutch faces wear and eventually the clutch slips. A simple (though difficult to reach from memory) adjustment drops the basket drive back down onto the clutch, taking up the wear. Away it goes! That may be all that is wrong with your washer.
You know what Chris, you are right about that adjustment, I forgot all about that, and that might be enough to get Dick's '60 Kenmore spinning again. Let's have some babble-free vintage washer mechanical talk, shall we. Please!
Anyway, here is an overview of the Whirpool/Kenmore Belt Drive System. When you read Basket Drive & Brake 1, check out Figure #43, I pointed out the adjustment nut for all to see.
Gear Case 1
Gear Case 2
Basket Drive & Brake 1
Basket Drive & Brake 2
You guys, lets all read this and offer up questions on how this system actually works, its quite amazing and rather simple, but its not that easy to understand just by reading the text, so please ask questions.
Maybe we can all help Dick fix his vintage Kenmore so he is able to enjoy it again.
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Post# 34557-11/13/2003-01:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Ammonia is still used as a refrigerant today-It used in systems where very low temps are required-Ice Cream plants and Ice plants.And with the worrries over freon-it is making a comeback.Didn't the gas power Serval boxes use ammonia? I remember such a fridge at a summer cottage my mother used to own.My little job was to use the long fireplace matches-push a little "start button and light its gas flame. I beleive the gas flame did the job the compresser would do.The biggest problem with ammonia is its toxic. Also you can't use copper plumbing with it-form explosive copper compounds!Yes,ammonia was considered the first refrigerant to be used on a large scale.It could be used with mechanical compressers or the gas flame systems.Thats interesting about the Compresser designs of mounting the compresser under the cabinet-yes to make the fridge work harder so the utility could sell you more electricity!
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Post# 34558-11/13/2003-01:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: The poor efficiency of the base mounted condenser heat sinks-needs the fan or blower to cool it. Also could radiate some its heat BACK into the box!Not to mention the dust pickup.Thats a good point about the rear mounted heatsinks-can't work if its convection airflow is blocked!
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Post# 34559-11/13/2003-01:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Sales Gimmick)
MESSAGE: Seems like those bulbs were quite a "fad" among 1950's appliance builders! I would think the machine would work and dry just fine without it-you would miss the "flourescence" of the detergent whiteners.
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Post# 34560-11/13/2003-01:34 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE: Cool, in all my infinite babble, I managed to mention the two ways of adjustment for a whirlpool/kenmore belt drive's basket drive!:-)
Hehe, JJ, but I bet that is all that is wrong with the Kenmore:-) It is definitely worth a shot.
I never knew the main drive gear had an adjustment to it, that is interesting reading. The belt drive's transmission has got to be one of the simplest ones out there. Single direction only dealing with agitation, those babies were bullet-proof:-)
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Post# 34561-11/13/2003-01:37 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Ya that is why dirt build up chokes a bottom-mounted condensor fridge. The fan pulls almost no air and the dust insulates the coils keeping them hot! So keeping the fan and coils clean is a must. At least with the other two designs, keeping the coils clean was a once-every-20 years sort of deal:-) I bet the decline of the top mounted coils was a result of people wanting "cleaner" looking appliances. No non-appliance loving person would want an "ugly" compressor/condensor unit on top of their shiny fridge! The top mounted design does make the most sense though.
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Post# 34562-11/13/2003-05:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (donation)
MESSAGE: Since you are using quotation marks I'm sure you can give me the message number of the message where I said that. As far as I can remember I didn't say that "you never post anything on topic on this site." but "over 25% of the posts these days are from you and a lot of them don't contribute to this site a lot." I think there is quite a difference.
Actually I have only one more thing to say. Because there is a price for everything and since you are a major poster here I'm sure the webmaster can look forward to a major contribution for keeping up the website for facilitating your babbling.
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Post# 34563-11/13/2003-06:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the lamps in KM UV lamps, not ozone lamps? And weren't they exclusive to KM, and not WP?
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Post# 34564-11/13/2003-08:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (25% of posts)
MESSAGE: Good Lord, give the kid a break, he was only responding to someone else's comment. This board is really a CONVERSATION and as anybody knows, it's VERY hard to keep ANY conversation STRICTLY on subject, just as some subjects don't always neatly fit here or the Sandbox, but bridge the two. I suppose it would be nice if life was Black & White, but it isn't. Just let the subject end on its own, complaining about it only prolongs it. I think it was done anyway.
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Post# 34565-11/13/2003-07:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 34566-11/13/2003-07:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (25% of posts)
MESSAGE: Good Lord, give the kid a break, he was only responding to someone else's comment. This board is really a CONVERSATION and as anybody knows, it's VERY hard to keep ANY conversation STRICTLY on subject. If we tried, the board would read like a court trial, with "objections" and "irrelevancies". Some subjects don't always neatly fit here or the Sandbox, either, but bridge the two. I suppose it would be nice if life was Black & White, but it isn't. Just let the subject end on its own, complaining about it only prolongs it. I think it was done anyway.
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Post# 34567-11/13/2003-07:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Are those lamps still obtainable? Weren't they wired in series with the tub light?
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Post# 34568-11/13/2003-07:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Condensors)
MESSAGE: The condensors in most newer refrigerators are folded underneath in order to get the same amount of area as a rear mounted condensor, and that design also came about so the fridge could be flush against the wall.
The refrigerators that used ammonia worked on a principle called Absorption. This is how the gas refrigerators produced by Servel and Electrolux work. Arkla/Servel still makes central A/C that works on this principal. No compressor is used, but the system has to be absolutely level since it works by gravity. My Paternal Grandmother had a gas refrigerator until about 1960 when it was replaced by by a Hotpoint 2 door manual defrost fridge.
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Post# 34569-11/13/2003-07:25 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Be careful, some of the 1930s refrigerators use sulphur dioxide as a refrigerant, and you don't want that poison to leak in your house. When bringing home an old fridge, always check the tag to make sure it's not charged with sulphur dioxide.
I remember when the Butoni plant in South Hackensack NJ sprung an amonia leak and they had to evacuate the whole area, what a stink!
Ken D.
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Post# 34570-11/13/2003-07:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: For the newer machines that don't have the adjustment, the same thing can be accomplished using washers as shims.
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Post# 34571-11/13/2003-07:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: For the newer machines that don't have the adjustment, the same thing can be accomplished using washers as shims.
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Post# 34572-11/13/2003-07:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (you're not the only one)
MESSAGE: I want to get into collecting Sears catalogs, especially 1970 (my mom's Kenmore 800) and the wish books from about 1976 up to about 1982.
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Post# 34573-11/13/2003-09:28 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics
MESSAGE: Jeff,
I would LOVE to see the pix of the washer/dryer lineup from the 1958 Sears catalogue!!!! The 58s fascinated me. My aunt had a 58 Lady Kenmore of which I have many memories.
Dick
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Post# 34574-11/13/2003-10:18 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (kill the thread)
MESSAGE: This thread started talking about Maytags on eBay, then went to WP/KM, then to water temps, then to low flush toilets and now refrigerants. If you are going to switch topics -- which includes discussing a different brand, appliance type, or aspect such as temperature versus usage -- please start a new thread.
-ph
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Post# 34575-11/13/2003-10:22 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: They fell out of favor the same time as aerosol propellant did because it was contributing to global warming. Funny, real scientist have found that the activity on the sun itself is what is really contributing to it, so maybe the ozone bulb will make a comeback, along with hairspray!
-ph
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Post# 34576-11/13/2003-10:28 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
1958 Sears Catalog
MESSAGE: Put me on the list of people who would love to see the '58 washer/dryer lineup! Did the 58's have the one-push cycle selector buttons ala the '59-60 LK models?
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Post# 34577-11/13/2003-11:58 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: latest finds PICS ....
MESSAGE: What great machibes yo found. I especially like the 57 Kenmore. Obviously a middle of the road model of Robert's 57 Lady. How much work needs to be done to get everything up and running apart from cosmetic stuff?
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Post# 34578-11/13/2003-12:38 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (1959 Kenmores)
MESSAGE: None of the models, including the Lady K's have buttons, but there are no shortage of dials, lights and chrome!
There is a type of lettering system from these little charts that pop up from behind the console, then you set all of your dials (speed,water temp., timer, etc.) to that corresponding letter.
The higher-end models also have "2-way" lids(?)... Maybe they're reversible..
I will be scanning these this afternoon.. Also, I'm still getting the hang of this new scanner, so my apologies if pics/text aren't the best. I'll keep trying...!
Jeff
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Post# 34579-11/13/2003-12:41 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (e-mail delivery failure...)
MESSAGE: Charles,
I sent the '72 pics last night but yours came back. And again this morning..
Is this the right address? And if so, does it allow attachments?
Jeff
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Post# 34580-11/13/2003-13:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (e-mail delivery failure... Jeff)
MESSAGE: Yes....... It is definitely the right email address. You didn't use the quotation marks that I had in that post, did you???? If you did, don't use them. I only used them in that post so that my e-mail address is easy for you to spot.
AND
If all else fails, then you can use a link and send them here.
Thanks again for at least trying.
--Charles--
P.S.: OR......... Why don't you send them to "chaskelljr1a_@hotmail.com". The reason being is I don't know how big the attachment file is, and being that "chaskelljr1_@hotmail.com" is my primary address, and that it is almost full, it is possible that I don't have the MB space to accommodate another large attachment file. But anyway, try sending the 1972 pictures to "chaskelljr1a_@hotmail.com" instead. I should plenty of room there.
Thanks Again.........
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Post# 34581-11/13/2003-13:27 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (Frigilux.........)
MESSAGE: I concur with Jeff here. The first Ladys (1957 and 1958) did not have pushbuttons on them. The first all push button Lady was introduced in 1959 (an all buttons and no dial machine).
--Charles--
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Post# 34582-11/13/2003-13:27 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (Frigilux.........)
MESSAGE: I concur with Jeff here. The first Ladys (1957 and 1958) did not have pushbuttons on them. The first all push button Lady was introduced in 1959 (an all buttons and no dial machine).
--Charles--
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Post# 34583-11/13/2003-16:13 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (donation)
MESSAGE: First of all, I don't see any rule that says "keep amount of posts below 25%" Second it does not say any limit to post length as long as the machines being talked about are
a. appliances
b. appliances at least 15 years old
I have drifted a bit from those, not from topics I started myself BTW.
Going by those rules, it seems I can talk as much as I want about vacuums, mixers etc as long as they are 15 years old. But you would not like that since YOU are not interested in vacuums or mixers right? The topic has to be moving down a razor sharp edge, if it strays off that, people (probably 75% me) get babbled at for being "off topic"
Please let me know how your last couple posts have ANYTHING to do with appliances? You as bad as me, as soon as things are going a little too smoothly, you have to roughen things up a bit by criticiziing each and everything I post. How did your last 2 or 3 posts do ANYTHING to resolve the supposed "problem" with off topic posts? It seems it just worsened things.
Also, I just proved to you 4-5 times that my posts DO contribute to this site.
Plus it is not YOUR decision to make on what posts are not supposed to be on here. It is also not YOUR right to tell people who post a lot to pay up. So far this is a free site, the owners should have known that by opening a free site, they will not get PAID anything. I think they DO realize this so they are not babbling about off-topic posts.
Please use email if you do want to keep the site moving on-topic.
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Post# 34584-11/13/2003-16:15 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Didn't some of them use ammonia too? Or is this the same as sulfur dioxide? I think some commercial refrigeration units still do use ammonia, it has a lower boiling point than freon so it can cool more efficiently.
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Post# 34585-11/13/2003-16:17 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Oh I thought they came with 2 washers and by removing one the clutch could drop down more and contact the pulley with more force. Wouldn't adding washers raise the clutch thereby reducing its contact force?
Maybe I am all turned around?:-|
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Post# 34586-11/13/2003-16:19 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (kill the thread)
MESSAGE: OK, that is very reasonable. It is difficult when the thread is going on for a few days since the topic shifts so slowly. I will start a new thread from now on. Thanks for being polite about it:-)
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Post# 34587-11/13/2003-16:21 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (1959 Kenmores (reversable lids))
MESSAGE: That is something I haven't seen on a washer. Anyone have a reversable lid washer?
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Post# 34588-11/13/2003-16:34 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (Can't kill the thread)
MESSAGE: When responding to someone, all you can change is the subject drift.
Ken D.
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Post# 34589-11/13/2003-16:46 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator juice)
MESSAGE: Amonia refrigerators use a heater instead of a compressor. The fact that you're adding electric heat spoils the efficiency.
The Servel gas refrigerators are amonia systems, and gas heats cheaper than electricity so they're cheap to run.
I'm pretty sure no refrigerators made after WWII have sulfur dioxide. Everyone went to R12 by then.
Ken D.
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Post# 34590-11/13/2003-16:54 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator juice)
MESSAGE: I see, how come ammonia systems can't use a compressor? Is ammonia not easily compressable?
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Post# 34591-11/13/2003-17:18 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
Absorption Refrigeration
MESSAGE: Kurt-
The link below might help explain why there is no compressor in a gas refrigerator. (Scroll down to the continuous cycle type). The ammonia is boiled from the gas flame instead of a compressor. When I was a kid, we had central air conditioning based on this principle made by Bryant. This chiller was amazingly cheap to operate according to my Dad. The only drawback was the unit was quite large in size (quite a bit taller than I was as a 10 year old).
Greg
LINK: http://www.nh3tech.org/absorption.html
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Post# 34592-11/13/2003-17:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (A not too subtle warning)
MESSAGE: Young man, once again you are overstepping your bounds and do not know what you are talking about. Louis (foraloysius) does very much get to decide on what posts are on topic and what are not, he as well as ten or so other members are original members and creators of this club and are considered part of our loosely organized steering committee. I do not appreciate having to read posts like the one I responding to, especially since I find you yelling and arguing with other members more than anyone else. I would also appreciate if you would stop trying to correct everyone unless you are absolutely sure about what you are talking about. Just because you read something once doesn't make it true.
Now, if I was you I would take a step back and take a breather from posting for a day or two and come back fresh after that if you wish. Or else. The next time I find you posting argumentative messages will be the last time.
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Post# 34593-11/13/2003-18:41 ||| KurtDixon (Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (A not too subtle warning, stop babbling and do something then!)
MESSAGE: Oh hell, kick me out. Do you honestly think I am stupid? I emailed Louis and I know damn well where he sent it. Kick me out of this damn site, it is nothing but trouble! There are about 2 people here that actually LIKE reading my posts. WTF is the point if everyone else is going to whine and complain about every damn thing I say? First Bob, then Louis. Do some of you guys LIKE making trouble?
Oh ya, and it was ME who was the first to take this to email and things were looking fine, good job though, you brought it back to the site. This shit isn't worth the trouble, kick me out, it is going to happen someday. Truly, this is the most foolish, ridiculous forum I have been on. I think it is worse than the vacuum forums I was on in the past. Granted there are many here that are polite and can actually accept everyone. But people who love starting bullshit like this ruin it all. Look back and see who first started this latest BS? Notice it was Louis, with his critisism that was WAY off base that first posted? Why in the hell didn't he email me? But no, he isn't so much bothered by me, he just wants me to screws things up for myself. Which he has done now. Congrats, Louis, you got what you wanted.
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Post# 34594-11/13/2003-19:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (A not too subtle warning, stop babbling and do something then!)
MESSAGE: Didn't I just tell you to take a breather, what, am I saying this because I like to hear myself type? For my health, maybe?? I think you might want to think about the fact that yes you are not usually the one who starts these argumentative posts but at the same time, for some reason, so many of them are directed towards you.
You always seem to have to get the last word in and never know when to quit.
Now please Kurt, I'm going to say it again, I think you need to take few days off from posting. I'm not kicking you out, I just think it would be best to cool it.
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Post# 34595-11/13/2003-19:55 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig. DW (age....)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, I believe that 1967 was the first year that the Auxillary spray arm was on the Custom Imperial dishwasher... 1968 was the year that they added the signal light (wash, wash, rinse, dry), which lasted till the control panel change of 1975ish I think. So check out that.... its definately a keeper.... SteveD
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Post# 34596-11/13/2003-20:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: Both Ammonia and sulpher dioxide are toxic. You need to be careful with both of them.Ammonia can also form explosive compounds when it contacts certain metals(copper)
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Post# 34597-11/13/2003-20:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Good cond. Maytags! (refrigerator scam(think Enron))
MESSAGE: The loweer the boiling point the refrigerant has the colder the temperature in the cooled space will be. Thats why Ice and ice cream plants still use ammonia. I once knew someone who worked in an ice house and told me about the large ammonia compresser system they had.
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Post# 34598-11/13/2003-20:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: I don't know if the UV-ozone bulbs are still made but it is possible the UV bulb could use the Tub light bulb as a "ballast" if they were wired in series.
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Post# 34599-11/13/2003-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Actually the lamp in question IS a ultraviolet emitting lamp. It does not "emit" ozone. Ozone is produced by the reaction of the oxygen in the air passing over the lamp.The UV light rays add an additional oxygen atom to the normally occuring 0/2 one.In the 0/3 state you have ozone-an unstable form of oxygen. It is a strong oxidizer-one its properties it can kill bacteria,mold spores and virus in the air if they are exposed to it long enough. The UV energy can do this too.Ozone is also produced by an electric arc.Thats why you can smell the ozone near an electric arc. Ozone does have its dangers-it can burn your lungs if you beathe large amounts of it. The small amount produced by the dryer-washer bulb should not harm you.the UV light produced by the bulb could damage your eyes if you stared into it for a long period of time. The UV rays may also "sunburn"your skin.
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Post# 34600-11/13/2003-20:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Absorption Refrigeration
MESSAGE: Saw the link-very interesting and refreshed my memory how the absorption systems work.As I think about the old Serval box in that summer cottage-I think it ran off propane. The house also had an old range that ran off the propane too.You would think the absorption style boxes would make a comeback in areas where electricity is expensive.Those fridges could run for decades if the system isn't broken.In very large building absorption chillers are used for the airconditioning. Steam is the refrigerant and lithuim bromide is the absorber.
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Post# 34601-11/13/2003-21:10 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: The ozone lamps are still made.I put one in my 1961 Whirlpool washer last spring.It is wired in series with the tub light,which is a frosted small base 40 watt bulb.The 40 watt bulb is the ballast,as you have stated.The ozone bulbs are very expensive,like $30.00 each.You can notice a small amount of mercury inside the bulb.It does not get hot,so water splashes are not a problem.I believe the wash is "sweeter" smelling when washed in this machine.Perhaps it is my imagination.I always wash sheets in this machine,and line dry them if possible.The fresh smell is well worth the trouble.
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Post# 34602-11/13/2003-21:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: See if you still get the "sweet" smell if you dry the sheet in your dryer.The naturally emitted UV from the sun as the sheet dries outside may be a factor.Line drying would be nice-but the high humidity,insects and pine sap from pine trees in my yard would make it difficult. My backyard does have a clotheline. When I lived out west-the clothesline worked really well._also in my area add to other things-the squirrels and birds that live in the trees.
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Post# 34603-11/13/2003-23:14 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps/sweet smelling sheets)
MESSAGE: The nice scent on sheets is still there when I have to use the dryer,but it is not as strong,and doesn't last as long as when they are line dried.The blue cast from the ozone lamp is visable on the other side of the spin basket when the machine is in the spin cycle,and it is noticable on some clothes in the wash and rinse cycles as well.Blue jeans are purple,and the whites are blue.On the far side of the spin basket,where the tub light shines,everything looks normal.By the way,this machine came from down your way! "Red Rose City" South Carolina.I won it on E-Bay Last winter.I paid $81.00 for it,and it is my personal favorite!
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Post# 34604-11/13/2003-23:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick, I didn't know you could still buy those bulbs, much less that they are still being made! 99% of the time they are wired in series with a 40 watt bulb, but my '52 Whirlpool washer uses a ballast as a transformer for the bulb. The light only runs when the motor is operating, unlike my Lady Kenmore which runs anytime the washer running.
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Post# 34605-11/13/2003-23:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Sneak Preview
MESSAGE: Someone in the club has just made a wonderful discovery at an estate sale (no it's not me) and I wanted to give everyone a preview of this new found machine...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/GNEWE.jpg
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Post# 34606-11/14/2003-00:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: A google search turned up lots of sites as well as many ozone generators on ebay - even for the refrig. They are used for spas and aquariums, etc. to help clean the water. One site I saw warned that UV bulbs are harmful to human eyes and shouldn't be looked at directly for long periods. Ozone can be harmful if inhaled so long term exposure should be avoided. Get your heads out of those dryers! I have three dryers with these bulbs, 2 Filtrators and the 54 Speed Queen (coil ballast) as well. I don't notice that much of a difference with or without them really but these bulbs lose some effectiveness with age so maybe we're due for new ones after 50 years.
I have found lots of replacement bulbs in Puritron air cleaners from the 50's and also another strange ozone box (probably for a restroom or commercial kitchen application) that had eight of these bulbs, never used.
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Post# 34607-11/14/2003-00:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview
MESSAGE: I don't see an arc of electricity from the filter-flo to the cabinet so everything must be good!
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Post# 34608-11/14/2003-01:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Yes-they do deteriate with age even though the lamp is glowing.The UV output may decline with age. Fortunately the glass windows on the dryers will block the harmful shortwave UV radiation from the bulb.You can look at it thru the glass dryer door without harm.These bulbs emit UV type A,B,and C radiation. UV A,B is for the sterilization and generation of ozone."C" radiation causes whiteners in the detergents to glow.
I would have to think watching a washer with one of these bulbs with the lid open may be cause for concern for the eyes.You would think the manufactuer of the washer would put a lid switch in the shut off the UV bulb if the washer lid is opened.
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Post# 34609-11/14/2003-01:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps/sweet smelling sheets)
MESSAGE: That sounds good-I am on the hunt for one those older WP-KN classics. SC is about 300 mi south of me.I am into UV light,(use it with caution)one of those machines sounds even more interesting.I check the used appliance places around me often.There's three in my area.The "sweet" smell sounds good-you don't have to use strong scented detergent.
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Post# 34610-11/14/2003-01:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview
MESSAGE: Thats a real nice one-looks like the GE filter-flow without the lint dish.One of the houses we lived in when I was a kid had one of those.
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Post# 34611-11/14/2003-03:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (Spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: No, you're right, one would need to REMOVE shims on models that don't have the old adjustment nut.
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Post# 34612-11/14/2003-03:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Absorption system efficiency
MESSAGE: I suspect that the amount of electricity needed to provide the heat to run an absorption system would still be less than what is required to run a compressor. Plus there are the advantages of totally silent operation and very few moving parts. The big problem is that most people don't have gas pipes near their refrigerator space. My Grandmother's gas fridge was fed by a pipe that came through the floor under the fridge.
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Post# 34613-11/14/2003-03:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 34614-11/14/2003-03:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Absorption system efficiency
MESSAGE: I suspect that the amount of electricity needed to provide the heat to run an absorption system would still be less than what is required to run a compressor. Plus there are the advantages of totally silent operation and very few moving parts. The big problem is that most people don't have gas pipes near their refrigerator space. My Grandmother's gas fridge was fed by a pipe that came through the floor under the fridge.
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Post# 34615-11/14/2003-08:46 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE: Thank you for the tech pages Unimatic!
Dick
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Post# 34616-11/14/2003-10:27 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: I feel like a guest on "To Tell The Truth," Ok, more like Kitty Carlisle! The GE filter flo is mine, and I have the filter pan at my home. The machine was from an estate sale and is in absolutely mint condition. Robert and Greg N worked and worked on it to fix some electrical leakage that was way beyond me. Robert finally took it home and it is running like a charm. It has a lighted dial, suds saver, and it two speeds. Jimmy is sending me some info on the machine, so I will look forward to that. It was awful trying to get the machine up very narrow stairs, with TWO turns in them. The machine is coming home on Sat. As I have said many times, the generousity of the friends I have met in this club is overwhelming! Thank you so much!
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Post# 34617-11/14/2003-10:34 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up! Congrats Don!)
MESSAGE: Don,
What year is your Filter Flo?
So glad that you found it.
You are right, there are some great guys in this club!
Brent
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Post# 34618-11/14/2003-10:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: I'm the real owner, yes I'm the real owner
All you other GE owners are just imitating
So won't the real GE owner please stand up,
please stand up, please stand up?
Sorry :-P . I actually hate Eminem but I couldn't resist :-D
Congrats Don on that beautiful washer!
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Post# 34619-11/14/2003-12:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: That was one scary washer, although cosmetically its in beautiful shape and mechanically it appers to have very little usage, the electrical was a different story. When we first arrived at Don’s house he had mentioned that he had no cold water and also got a shock just by feeling the water-stream out of the filter-flo nozzle. Since I brought my electrical meter along I measured the amount of voltage leaking out and onto metal parts washer and it was a full 120 volts, YIKES! That could be a death-trap if it wasn’t fixed. Not only had something developed a dangerous electrical leak inside the washer, but the third grounding prong on the electrical cord had been previously broken off. That grounding prong is a safety feature meant to bleed any electrical current leak safely to ground. So the first thing we did was put on a new cord and properly ground the washer. Next through some careful electrical circuit tracing we determined that the reason that the cold-water valve solenoid isn’t being energized was the wash water temperature switch was broken. Since Don was tired of a hot washer and hot rinse for every cycle we decided to carefully pry the switch open and perform the very delicate operation of bending the cold water contact so the switch would operate properly. Opening up and fixing switches that were meant to be replaced and never fixed is a hit or miss procedure. We put the switch back together, and YAY we have cold water! Unfortunately now cold water was always selected no matter what the switch was set on so Don now had a choice of warm or cold wash and rinse. So back into the switch, after three tries we finally got it and now the switch is working perfectly. But the washer was still exhibiting some funny electrical problems (such as the dial light lighting dimly in the “off” position) that needed some more time to trace and fix. So the GE came home to my workshop for a few days.
After some more careful analysis I found that the motor protector switch was shot and the cause of its electrical leakage. The motor protector switch is located deep inside the motor itself and its job is to cut off the electrical circuit to the motor and other components if the motor draws too much current. So I decided to go out hunting for a new GE Motor Overload switch over my lunch hour. First I went to a mom & pop motor repair store and there was a sign hanging on the door “out-to-lunch”. So then I went to the big motor repair store that has quote “1000’s of motor parts in stock”. He looked at the motor, looked at me, looked at the overload switch, looked at me and said, “a part like that is long, long NLA---but just jump it out of the circuit, that thing is so old it wont matter much anyway if it kills itself”. I said no thanks and left, if I did jump the switch out of the circuit everything would work fine, but the motor would be left unprotected and could burn itself out if there was a jam in the transmission. So I went back to mom & pop motor store and waited outside till pop returned. Showed him the motor and switch and he said “jeez that thing sure is old, what is it from?” I explained to him it’s from an antique washer, his response was also “just jump it out of the circuit”. After pressing him a bit on why I really didn’t want to do that he went into the back and came up with a brand new manual reset circuit breaker that I can wire into the circuit. So I wired into the circuit at a convenient but hidden location in case it ever needs to be reset. Now the washer is working like new, with no electrical leakage what so ever and ready to come home to Don’s for years of fun solid-basket washing!
We will post more picts of the machine over the weekend, by the way it’s a 1960 model. The last year of the solid-basket GE and the first year with the Ker-Klunking tub brake.
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Post# 34620-11/14/2003-12:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch
MESSAGE: You're very welcome Dick, if you want to try fixing your beautiful Kenmore, we can all help. It looks like a simple, one tool job.
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Post# 34621-11/14/2003-12:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Another New Machine Found
MESSAGE: Live from the hunting fields another new beauty was just found, here is it's sneak preview.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/speed queen 055.jpg
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Post# 34622-11/14/2003-13:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Is this a solenoid model or a reversing motor?
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Post# 34623-11/14/2003-13:32 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: It's a reversing motor, Jason.
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Post# 34624-11/14/2003-13:42 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found
MESSAGE: Is that leather on the control panel and what is with the switch on the top of it?
That is one handsome machine!
Good luck with it Robert!
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Post# 34625-11/14/2003-13:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: OK. thanks. Still a fun washer. You northern people have it made. Old stuff preserves so much better than the hot, rusty south.
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Post# 34626-11/14/2003-13:49 ||| JasonL (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (Canadian speed queen)
MESSAGE: It must be a canadian model because the instructions on the bottom half of the lid are in French
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Post# 34627-11/14/2003-13:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations, your collection is growing and growing. Is this the GE washer with the row of push buttons that you push downwards? Robert's story about the electricity was quite 'shocking'. That's my nightmare overhere with 230V, getting a shock from a machine that has wire problems.
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Post# 34628-11/14/2003-13:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Hey Eddy,
Nice to see the picture here too. I guess the padding on that washer makes it very suitable for putting it in the livingroom ;-)
So, if this machine has the reversing motor, does that mean it doesn't have any 'clanking solenoids'?
Louis
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Post# 34629-11/14/2003-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (Not mine)
MESSAGE: Hi Larry, I just posted the picture, that machine was found in Vancouver by Eddy!
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Post# 34630-11/14/2003-14:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Gotta love that control panel padding. Maybe SQ-Canada put it there in case of an unblanced load and the homemaker is holding her head a bit too close to the control panel :). But most importantly, will it match the sofa or are you going to have to redecorate?
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Post# 34631-11/14/2003-14:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: 230 volt appliances can be scary to work with, a shock from 120volts is one thing, but 230 volts will knock you off your feet. Louis do have a way of measuring current leakage from you vintage machines? In the Netherlands, do they use a 3 prong Hot-Hot-Neutral plug style or a 4 prong Hot-Hot-Neutral-Ground style? The seperate ground adds an extra layer of protection. In the USA, all new dryer or range 30amp or higher, 230volt outlet installations now require a 4 prong (hot-hot-neutral-ground) outlet and matching plug.
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Post# 34632-11/14/2003-15:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Robert,
No, at the moment I don't have any equipment for measuring leakage. But almost every house overhere has a what I think you call "Ground force circuit interruptor". It's on the whole house installation except the washer outlet. When I have a new vintage appliance I connect that to a regular outlet that is on that interruptor. If there is anything wrong with it, it will automatically shut off the electricity.
About style of connection, things overhere are a little different. We have a Hot-Neutral_Ground style. In the livingroom and bedrooms it is the same but without the Grounding. That is why I can easily connect a washer in the livingroom albeit without grounding. We also have the Hot-Hot-Neutral-Ground style, but that is for 400 Volts. Few people have 400 Volts at home though. Some houses still have a 400V (380V then, we went from 220 to 230V) connection from the time of the first automatic frontloaders. The early Mieles, AEG's and Constructa's ran on 380V.
Louis
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Post# 34633-11/14/2003-15:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Oh Kitty, it's a beautiful machine and a fitting prize for an estate sale outing! Congrats on having it running perfectly again and we'll expect pictures and reports on it's performance soon!
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Post# 34634-11/14/2003-15:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: And a suds-saver too! Very cool machine Eddy - did it need much work?
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Post# 34635-11/14/2003-16:25 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,THe ozone bulb uses a weird base,but fits the Wp socket with a small adapter,no big deal.The console,tub,and ozone bulbs are all on,anytime the washer is running,or even when the control knob is pulled to stop the machine.Only when the control setting is at "off" are the lights off,on this 1961 Whirlpool. By the way,if you would like any ozone lamps let me know,and I will get you hooked up with my friend at the lighting store here in Fort Wayne.
Rick R.
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Post# 34636-11/14/2003-17:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
Ok now I’m confused. You guys have what we call a Ground-Fault Interrupter (GFI) circuit breakers normally installed in the entire house except at the washer outlet? I would think it would be most important to have a GFI breaker at the washer outlet?
You have “Hot-Neutral_Ground” is that one single hot line at 230v, and one neutral/ground line combination, which makes for a two prong plug? No grounding in the bedrooms and living, eh? Looks like we wont be using a sunbeam coffeemaster in the livingroom!
380volts wow, now that would make for a powerful wash water heater.
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Post# 34637-11/14/2003-17:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (ozone lamps) (Ozone lamps)
MESSAGE: Thanks Rick, I have a small box of them, but I will keep that in mind.
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Post# 34638-11/14/2003-17:27 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (COOL)
MESSAGE: Amazingly, it is so clean underneath the skirt, Greg. There's hardly even any dust under there let alone grease. Normally you see grease lines on the sides of the cabinet from normal pulley use, and this hardly has that at all. That's why I will keep her to "play with". And Louis, yes it does have a clanking solenoid, and you hear this if you choose to save the suds. It clanks first engaging the diverter valve and then upon the increment from spin to rinse fill when it releases.
Good eye, Jason for spotting the french on the lid instructions! Thanks to Robert too for posting the "leather girl"
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Post# 34639-11/14/2003-17:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Actually I don't have a clue about why the washer isn't on the GFI. Perhaps the tolerance of it is too little for a washer? I'm not sure about that, my dishwasher that has a big heating element too is on the GFI
Our regular plugs have two round prongs, one hot and one neutral. These fit into every not grounded outlet. On appliances etc. there are grounded plugs. These plugs also have the two round prongs but also two pins along the side (one on top and one on the bottom) of the plug. The outlet is deeper and has two slides where the ground pins touch two other pins. Due to the fact that the grounded outlets are more oval than round the regular plugs don't fit into the grounded outlets. The grounded plugs fit into all outlets (that's why the washer plugs into a livingroom outlet). I hope I described that clear, a few pictures would help, but I haven't got any.
The link leads to a website about outlets and voltages in countries around the world. Enter the website and click on "What you need for where you want to go". You can click on the Netherlands. At the left you several outlets. Number two is the grounded outlet in the Netherlands.
Yes, 380V sounds very powerful, but the early frontloaders heated not only the wash water but also at least the first rinse water. Besides the motors were not as efficient as the more modern ones. I think a heating element was around 5000 Watts on those early models.
LINK: http://www.voltagevalet.com/
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Post# 34640-11/14/2003-17:57 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: That's a nice GE Don, great find! Did you receive more than one shock from the machine other than from the water?
Grounding is so important on these vintage machines. One of my SQ dryers gave me a small shock through the timer knob. I discovered the grounding wire had been completely removed!
Happy solid tub washing!
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Post# 34641-11/14/2003-20:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (nice)
MESSAGE: very cool, what year ??
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Post# 34642-11/14/2003-20:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: I thank you as well, it is indeed a help, I may be able use this information for my ' 72 Kenmore, and who knows what other machines. I have two trannys to break down and rebuild, where do I get parts ??
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Post# 34643-11/14/2003-20:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up! Congrats Don!)
MESSAGE: I agree with Brent, congrads Don
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Post# 34644-11/14/2003-20:57 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
I'm outbid
MESSAGE: Someone outdid my whopping $21 bid on the Maytag set.
Anybody we know?
Ken D.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2358809777
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Post# 34645-11/14/2003-23:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: I'm outbid (YAY for another appliance collection)
MESSAGE: Hi Ken, that name doesn't sound familiar. Best of luck if you decided to go for it, we're eager to see another appliance collection started, YAY!
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Post# 34646-11/15/2003-00:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link, it's amazing how many different types of plugs and outlets there are in the world. I wonder if we ever will all be standardized?
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Post# 34647-11/15/2003-06:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1958 Sears Catalog (1959 Kenmores (reversable lids))
MESSAGE: The Hoover TL autos from 500 to 800 series (mid seventies to mid eighties, the one based on Blackstone's design) had reversible lids.
Aus-made Whirlpools had reversible lids too. I believe that US Whirlpools had rear hinged lides but Aus ones always has side hinged. When Whirlpool started fitting a lid switch you could no longer reverse the lid as the switch was fitted between the hinges.
Hoovers always had a lid switch, which was fitted centrally on the top panel so reversing the lid didn't affect the operation of the lid switch.
When Maytag took over Hoover they cheapened up the designs of several Hoover washers, including the metal lid and top panel became flimsy crack-prone plastic, hinged at the rear. (till the lid inevitably broke off.)
Chris.
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Post# 34648-11/15/2003-07:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert.
That was a good fix.
I have a suggestion for future repairs.
Was the original motor protector switch triggered by HEAT or OVER-CURRENT? I would suspect that if the switch was inside the motor, it was a thermal overload, not current overload. (though of course I may be wrong - you were there and I wasn't.)
My point is that you can get thermal overload devices which go right inside the motor. Hoover used them in their front loaders here, I have several spare motors so I can remove one of the gadgets and send it to you if you like. Unfortunately I don't know what the device is correctly called. It is a small device about 7mm square with two leads. It is part of the field winding in the motor (brush-type) and cuts the power when it gets too hot. It resets automatically when it cools. It is hard up against the winding so it senses the actual wire temperature.
A link below is to a larger but similar device with terminals instead of leads. You could possibly use one of these though it might be hard to get it to firmly rest against the winding.
You could also use a simple thermal fuse, as used in electric heaters. They don't reset, when they blow you replace them.
You could approach a motor rewinding shop for advice on thermal cutout/reset devices, too.
Best Wishes
Chris
LINK: http://www1.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ST3826&CATID=&keywords=ST%2D3826&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=xxxxxxxxxx&Keyword2=xxxxxxxxxx&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=
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Post# 34649-11/15/2003-07:03 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Absorption Refrigeration (Crosley Icy Ball)
MESSAGE: This is what the Crosley "Icy ball" system, isn't it?
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Post# 34650-11/15/2003-07:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Absorption Refrigeration (Crosley Icy Ball)
MESSAGE: Sort of.
The Icy Ball was real old technology, it used ammonia as a refrigerant but you had to heat one end with a flame to "charge" it up, only once it was charged you removed the flame and its refrigerating effect began. you had to manually re-heat it, I think daily. I have some info on it around here somewhere, I will post it when I find it. I suspect we are straying here, should I post it in the Sandbox?
(This site really is intended for vintage AUTOMATIC appliances, isn't it? )
Chris.
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Post# 34651-11/15/2003-07:59 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: actually it was only a light tingle when holding my hands under the filter flo stream. I am happy about that! My hair is way too short for an unwanted perm!
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Post# 34652-11/15/2003-08:00 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Another New Machine Found (nice)
MESSAGE: Thanks, this is a 59-60
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Post# 34653-11/15/2003-08:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (GFI's)
MESSAGE: Are the 2 prong plugs polarized so they can only fit in one way? It's odd how the 120 volt outlets here had one slot wider to accomodate polarized plugs for YEARS, but it's only been in the last 15 years or so did polarized plugs become common. It's required on lamps now so that the threaded shell is always on the neutral side of the line.
Odd that EVERY outlet wouldn't be the grounded type, or set up so that a 2 prong plug would fit into a grounded outlet, like it does here.
Do you have the same 3 GFI options?
1. An individual outlet can be a GFI, and can be wired into the circuit so that it protects non-GFI outlets downstream in the circuit.
2. Circuit breaker in box is a GFI.
3. GFI is built into the plug of the appliace itself, i.e. hair dryers, electric space heaters.
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Post# 34654-11/15/2003-08:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (clutch adjusting nut)
MESSAGE: I think by '72 the adjusting nut was gone, have to use the "add/remove shims" method.
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Post# 34655-11/15/2003-12:21 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: These look like they're in pretty nice shape..!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3254090195&category=20714
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Post# 34656-11/15/2003-12:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, very good! I was wondering if anyone would ask that question. Actually the GE motor was a Over-Current switch. It was a switch that was completely sealed in bakelite with no external sensor. Although I wasn't positive at first whether it was a thermal sensor or a current sensor the two people I spoke to at the different motor repair shops confirmed my suspicion that yes it was an over current switch. Here in the US Frigidaire always used over-current switches throughout the fifties too.
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Post# 34657-11/15/2003-12:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Will the real owner please stand up!)
MESSAGE: You were very lucky about that "little" tingle Don. Had you touched the chrome control knob or chrome trim around the machine, you would have felt a greater shock. Had you been touching the cold water pipe with your other hand, well lets just say I'm sure the perm would have looked lovely. :)
The porcelain top and painted cabinet act as an insulator which make a severe shock more difficult from those parts.
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Post# 34658-11/15/2003-12:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, I believe some drive parts are still available for Whirpool & Kenmore belt drive machines, but they are getting very expensive. I think I heard recently that the basket drive tube assembly had gone NLA. :(
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Post# 34659-11/15/2003-14:40 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The "
Turquoise"
GE Washer and Dryer set is from the mid-late 1960's.........)
MESSAGE: "Jeff":
That is a sweet looking set though. Are you going to bid on this set???
--Charles--
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Post# 34660-11/15/2003-14:58 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The "
Turquoise"
GE Washer and Dryer set is from the mid-late 1960's.........)
MESSAGE: "Jeff":
In fact, as an addend, that was my late uncle's (on my late mother's side) washing machine. No joke. He had THIS exact model. Only his was white.
Yep.......... had I had any space (but I don't) to put a collection of vintage washers, this one would DEFINITELY be an addition. I certainly would want to rescue my uncle's washing machine.
So again, are you going to bid on THIS set, Jeff????
--Charles--
P.S.: By the way, I am going to get that "yahoo" account straightened out on Monday. Maybe they'll accept mail/attachments from AOL then. If not, then maybe I may have no other alternative but to get me a 1972 Sears Catalog (right along with a 1978) right off of "e-bay".
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Post# 34661-11/15/2003-15:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (GFI's)
MESSAGE: No, the 2 prongs are exactly the same.
It was by law required that outlets in wet areas were grounded ones. It was also mandatory to use only grounded appliances in those rooms or double isolated ones (with special plugs that fit into grounded outlets).
We indeed have the 3 options, but since option #2 is required since 1976 in every new installation there are not that many houses without it. So you hardly ever see options #1 and #3.
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Post# 34662-11/15/2003-23:01 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The )
MESSAGE: Hi Charles,
The GE set looks great and I love that color but I'm not bidding.. I did buy the Lady K that was on Ebay a couple of weeks ago and it will be here on Tuesday... Yay!
Now I'm looking for the matching dryer..
Let me know when you get your new email account as the pics are already scanned.
Jeff
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Post# 34663-11/15/2003-23:11 ||| i70sn80sguy (cc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: I saw a mid to late 60s Lady Kenmore dryer the other day at an appliance store. It was in coffee or what ever the brown was called then. I only saw it through the window since the store was closed but it had the 3 large hinged push button switchs in the middle of the control panel. Unlike the 70s version it didn't have the closable control panel. I would be happy to check it out if you are interested.
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Post# 34664-11/15/2003-23:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE:
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Post# 34665-11/16/2003-02:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Cool!!! I see a rectangular dish rack in a few pictures, is that from another dishwasher?
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Post# 34666-11/16/2003-04:49 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Great Post and the bellows )
MESSAGE: Uni
Your talent is amazing what a great clip. This is one of the dishwashers I have always wanted to see in action. Thanks for making my day.
By the Way do you have a helpful tip or trick to replace the water bellows on the Frigidaire with out that nifty wrench. My neighbors and I have tried all kinds of methods even the large pipe clamp trick but still cannot get that ring to snap closed.
Thanks So much
Philippe
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Post# 34667-11/16/2003-06:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: My grandma on my mom's side of the family had this washer, only in white. She always used the mini-basket feature which was fun to watch.
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Post# 34668-11/16/2003-06:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (1972)
MESSAGE: I don't know if you got my email or not but you can send the 1972 pics to jlebouef1@cox.net.
Thanks.
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Post# 34669-11/16/2003-06:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Is that one of those combo dishwasher/clothes washers?
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Post# 34670-11/16/2003-09:09 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Nice production, Thank-you.
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Post# 34671-11/16/2003-09:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes
MESSAGE: Fantastic - since the dishwashing drudgery has been removed from her daily housekeeping, now she has more time to stand over that beautiful '49 Frigidaire automatic washer and watch it do it's work!
Jimmy S. (filterflo) has a never used Youngstown Kitchens Jet-Tower dishwasher just like this (sans attached sink) that is just beautiful.
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Post# 34672-11/16/2003-09:28 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: I checked my catalogs and the dryer you saw may have been from '61 as the Lady K has 3 hinged buttons..! I can send you a pic if you like.
The model I bought was made from '69-71 and has the flip-down cover.
Thanks for offering to check it out though.
Jeff
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Post# 34673-11/16/2003-09:29 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Catalog Pics (1972 pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason,
Your pics are on the way.
Jeff
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Post# 34674-11/16/2003-09:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Great Post and the bellows )
MESSAGE: Philippe what I used to use before I found those bellows-retaining ring pliers was a medium sized C-Clamp.
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Post# 34675-11/16/2003-10:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (See it Live!)
MESSAGE: Well, I can't exactly take credit for that production, I sort of "boosted" it from the Internet Archive web site. Anyone care to see the entire 21 minute Jam Handy movie it came from?
Download
Last Word In Dishwashing (the 56.3mb version of the movie) from the Internet Archive. Its a Mac based QuickTime movie file, so you need to have quicktime installed on your windows computer to watch it, if you don't have quicktime yet, you can download it free from
Quicktime
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Post# 34676-11/16/2003-12:49 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (See it Live!)
MESSAGE: What an interesting film. When did they stop producing this dishwasher? Jimmy, do you have any pics of yours? Todd
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Post# 34677-11/16/2003-13:16 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: Question:
If this dishwasher did such a great job and in less than 10 minutes, why isn't it around today? Why do the dishwashers of today take in excess of 2 hours to run a load of dishes?
I realize capacity might have been an issue, but if you could do a batch in 10 minutes it seems like you could wash a lot more dishes in a two hour time span than the modern units of today.
It is also important to note that this commercial/infomercial implied that this unit wash run after each meal, except in the mustard/egg test.
MRB
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Post# 34678-11/16/2003-13:21 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (Lady K?)
MESSAGE: Jeff,
So you're the guy that won the Lasy Kenmore washer in Chicago? That's great! I thought long and hard about placing a bid on that machine. It seemed quite the deal for the price. But crating and shipping that unit from IL to GA would have cost me almost $600.00. Glad to see someone got it and it didn't get pushed to Good Will or the local yocal and possibly lost forever.
Please post some picturtes of her when she arrives.
MRB
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Post# 34679-11/16/2003-13:25 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Wash-n-Wear also...)
MESSAGE: I also noticed a nice production flick touting the benefits of wash and wear fabrics and the features of the Whirlpool Mark 12 set that can handle wash and wear with ease.
Very nicely done. I might add. Has anyone ever found one of these machines?
MRB
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Post# 34680-11/16/2003-13:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: Well my grandparents had one of htese dishwashers. It wasn't all that great. She knew from experience everything had to be pre rinsed. But it was fun to watch through the window.
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Post# 34681-11/16/2003-14:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (FASCINATING!)
MESSAGE: Bob, I bet it was LOADS of fun to watch this in action. Does anyone in the club own one of these machines? Seems like a simple mechanism. A pump uses water pressure to jet spray the dishes.
I still have always wondered WHY don't dishwashers have windows? The only one I know of that has a window is one of those little Danby countertop machines.
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Post# 34682-11/16/2003-18:32 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (FASCINATING!)
MESSAGE: I remember going to Sears and seeing their display model which was nothing but a portable with a piece of plexiglas for a door and they had the pump permanently wired to wash so you could see all 3 levels. Could you imagine that at Sears these days. I don't think so.
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Post# 34683-11/16/2003-20:07 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Youngstown Kitchens Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Yes, I have one of these dishwashers, having removed it from a house where it had never been hooked up. The entire cycle is only about 10 min, with no drying option. I lid is on a counter balanced spring, and automatically opens when done so that the dishes dry in their own heat. It also has a holding tank for the water that keeps the water at 180degrees, 24 hrs a day! Can you imagine that energy drain? All in all, they were very poor performers, but were widely sold here in the Northeast Ohio area because of their vicinity to Youngstown, Ohio, where they were made. (Warren Ohio acutally, a few miles away) Many many homes here had complete kitchens supplied by the Youngstown Company. There were several versions: combo sink dishwasher, single built in dishwasher, and free standing model, which is what I have. I will post some pics of it, it still works but has a gravity drain which makes it difficult to hook up in my rec room. I also have the salesmans sample, which was an actual working water powered dishwasher that came complete with toy dishes and silverware!
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Post# 34684-11/16/2003-22:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (FASCINATING!)
MESSAGE: Best Buy has a Maytag on display with a clear front. You push the button and it does its thing.
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Post# 34685-11/16/2003-22:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Youngstown Kitchens Dishwasher (constant 180deg)
MESSAGE: Jeez, I never thought it would stay on like that. Energy waster. I guess people didn't care back then.
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Post# 34686-11/17/2003-01:14 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (See it Live!)
MESSAGE: Wow. That was awesome. Thanks for sharing that Bob.
Mike
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Post# 34687-11/17/2003-08:55 ||| rossroberts (Palm Springs, California)
SUBJECT:
Rubber Replacement Gaskets-HELP!!!
MESSAGE: hi there...i have a 1947 bendix front loader....gasket
around door and also gasket around lint filter need
replacing...does anyone have any idea who would
make custom made gaskets to fit??....please
help!!!....you can email me at
nycaross@aol.com.....thank you......
ross roberts
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Post# 34688-11/17/2003-10:27 ||| Rswilliams (Virginia)
SUBJECT:
Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range
MESSAGE: All:
I am rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire RM-75 Range. I have picked up some 14AWG 600V XLPE FT2 wire, however, I have some concerns.
First, will this modern wire type handle the temperatures of the stovetop (as well as the back of the cabinet)?
Second, I have picked up some vinyl insulated ring terminals rated at 105 degrees Celcius. Should I look to use non-insulated terminals instead? Or a combination based on where the terminals will be used (e.g., near elements in the stovetop vs the back of the cabinet)?
Thanks,
Scott
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Post# 34689-11/17/2003-11:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rubber Replacement Gaskets-HELP!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Ross, I don't believe anyone in the club has had any rubber parts custom made yet, but I know a lot of us had been thinking of doing this lately. If you find someone to do it, lets us know.
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Post# 34690-11/17/2003-11:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range
MESSAGE: Scott, I have no idea what XLPE FT2 means, but if I was you I would go to your appliance parts store and buy high-temperature Range wire. I've used this to rewire Filtrator dryers and its worked great. Also, I'm not sure that 14AWG is thick enough, I would use 12AWG.
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Post# 34691-11/17/2003-11:05 ||| salvoboy (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (Dishwashers with Windows)
MESSAGE: After seeing the POD of that cool Whirlpool washer with the center timer the other day, I was cruising around the Whirlpool site looking for company history. Long story short, I ended up on the site of their Brazilian subsidiary, Brastemp. Voila! Another dishwasher with a window.
LINK: http://www.brastemp.com.br/portal/control/bs/br/s1/catalogo?action=detalheModelo&codModeloSelecionado=253&codLinhaSelecionada=20&codCategoriaSelecionada=7&codCategoriaPai=0&codSubCategoria=0
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Post# 34692-11/17/2003-11:29 ||| Rswilliams (Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range (RE: Frigidaire Rewiring)
MESSAGE: Unimatic1140:
Actually, I did get the wiring from the appliance parts store as you recommended. However, it may not be thick enough. It does have the needed resistance though.
Thanks,
Scott
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Post# 34693-11/17/2003-12:30 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: Actually "i70sn80sguy":
The Lady Kenmore dryer that you're decribing is a 1966-67 model. I know the type of dryer Jeff is looking for. The Lady Kenmore washer that he bought two weeks ago was a 1969-71 model with a flip down cover, and he's looking for a dryer from that same era. Those shouldn't be too hard to find.
--Charles--
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Post# 34694-11/17/2003-18:22 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (The matching Lady Kenmore dryer)
MESSAGE: Well according to my catalogs it's not a '65 or a '68 or a '71. Hey I merely offered. And your right 30 year old appliances are readily available where ever you look... in shaded coppertone.
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Post# 34695-11/17/2003-18:24 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
love the POD
MESSAGE: Those harvest gold and avacodo portables. Put that on my LIST !
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Post# 34696-11/17/2003-20:29 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turquoise GE Washer and Dryer on Ebay (Lady K? Yeah, that was me...)
MESSAGE: I'm glad you decided not to bid..!
This same washer was listed and sold earlier and I regretted not bidding. I was starting to wonder if I would find a 30+ year old machine in that good of a condition... Then, it was listed again when the sale fell through and I went for it! The shipping was expensive but I'm still glad I did.
The only real disappointment is that it will have to go into storage until I get moved so I won't get to play with it. It will be keeping the '97 black Kenmores company for now..
Jeff
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Post# 34697-11/17/2003-20:35 ||| Perkasiepeach (Pa)
SUBJECT:
vintage stoves
MESSAGE: Oh I found this site and have had so much fun! I thought I was the only one out there who loved vintage appliances!!! I have been on the hunt for a 1950 pink stove. I'm in Pa. Anybody out there with a pink stove? Keep up this great site. JoAnne
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Post# 34698-11/17/2003-20:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: basket drives, spin tubes still available here in New England, but alas, yes, getting quite expensive ........ The two trannys I have to rebuild are one from my '75 Whirlpool and one from my '63 Kenmore, I will start with the '75 as a practice run ...... I just don't know what the parts are called inside or what their respective part numbers are, but with all the lit you have posted lately, I have printed out most if not all of it, so I should be fine .........
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Post# 34699-11/17/2003-21:45 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range
MESSAGE: I definitely agree with Robert, go with the 12 ga. wire. It should handle not only the current, but the temps too. 14 ga is too light for an electric range. Safety first!!! Make sure the cable is rated at the range's maximum current draw, which can exceed 10 KW, and you'll have no problems.
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Post# 34700-11/17/2003-22:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
Update on Rhinnie
MESSAGE: Steve left a voicemail tonight, they're doing "okay".
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Post# 34701-11/18/2003-06:32 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: Somehow I get the impression that she really HATES Cold Power and the fact that she only has Cold water to do her husbands T-shirts in to get those ugly underarm stains out. Pre-treat. Scrub. Pre-treat. Scrub. But, she probably got paid alot of money or a new washer for the deal. Her expression seems to tell it all.
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Post# 34702-11/18/2003-07:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (angry housewife)
MESSAGE: "I better have some hot water on this machine or you'll be sleeping outside!"
"Better watch your back before she turn into a killa" - Shaggy
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Post# 34703-11/18/2003-07:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: At least she's using the RIGHT machine. That Roto-Swirl will wash those stains away :-D
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Post# 34704-11/18/2003-07:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: The machine is a Whirlpool but with a Kenmore black bakelite agitator.
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Post# 34705-11/18/2003-08:05 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: actually, I think that is the agitator with the three straight vanes used is some bol w/p washers back then . They usually have the serrated cap on top. I distictely remember this ad. We used cold power for a while with warm water as I recall.
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Post# 34706-11/18/2003-08:19 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Hot water hose)
MESSAGE: They even show her hot water hose disconnected. I doubt we'd see that sort of accuracy these days.
T
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Post# 34707-11/18/2003-08:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: BOL WP's had the straight vane agitator.
Her nice, new copper plumbing couldn't possibly be a problem.
Besides, she is a witch! Another advertisement with a levitating washer lid! There must have been a special coven of housewitches that advertisers used in the 70's.
-ph
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Post# 34708-11/18/2003-09:11 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: My mom had a BOL kenmore from around this era and i thought that agitator looked familiar. I thought WP used surgilators in all their toploaders.Learn something new everyday:)
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Post# 34709-11/18/2003-09:13 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: My mom had a BOL kenmore from around this era and i thought that agitator looked familiar. I thought WP used surgilators in all their toploaders...Learn something new everyday:)
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Post# 34710-11/18/2003-11:39 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
Robert (UNIMATIC) Makes it BIG!
MESSAGE: Robert, now you really make the big time! Your wonderful vintage washer/dryer set made it on Oprah! On today's episode featuring Julia Roberts your set is shown. Try to catch it if you can. Most markets show it in the afternoon, but we get it in the morning in Chicago area.
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Post# 34711-11/18/2003-11:44 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: my mom use to use Cold power, when I was a kid. I wish they still made it. I would use Cold Power and Tide in my 60's TL Maytag washer(Just like Mom did) It was a good laundry soap. What ever happened to it?
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Post# 34712-11/18/2003-12:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: I would agree with that assessment that the agitator in today's POD Whirlpool is a 3-vane straight vane. Although I do remember seeing a few Whirlpool washers with that small agitator cap and a black bakelite Surgilator agitator, mostly they were in 1960's Whirlpool coin-ops.
Doesn't everyone use their powers to open the washer lid? I know I do it, it makes it so much easier when my hands are full of laundry.
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Post# 34713-11/18/2003-12:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert (UNIMATIC) Makes it BIG!
MESSAGE: Thanks Todd, I wish I had a way of seeing it that. Someone else in the club is also going to make it big soon too, but I'll keep exactly who a secret until they are ready to be on "To Tell The Truth".
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Post# 34714-11/18/2003-12:22 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (well actually "
coldspot66"
)
MESSAGE: If you go back and look at the picture of that agitator again, then it would also look like the same agitator that was on our 1967 BOL Kenmore. That agitator certainly had THAT exact cap on it. I'm willing to bet that the agitator that she has inside of that Whirlpool is the same exact agitator that was inside of BOL 1967 Kenmore.
My take on it is that it's a Kenmore agitator in a Whirlpool washer.
I'm sorry the poor woman looked like she expressing displeasure for running cold water washes.
--Charles--
P.S.: Well........... at least she got a free washer out the deal (HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE), so all's not so bad afterall.
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Post# 34715-11/18/2003-12:31 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: I know this may sound a LITTLE far fetched, but it was too bad that they didn't (and they don't now) make any top loaders with internal water heaters. A top loader with an internal water heater (if there was EVER a such thing as one) would've been a Godsend for this woman back then.
--Charles--
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Post# 34716-11/18/2003-13:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: Hmmm.. Haven't learned that spell yet. I guess I don't need it since the door to my FL swings out of the way.
I the spell to levitate the clothes so they don't fall to the floor when I transfer from washer to dryer.
What a dreary laundry arrangement. The washer's on the right and the door swings left. The dryer's on the left and the door swings right
It looks like this with both doors open
O||O A clash of some sort. Applianceville meets Sandbox in a way. Vintage dryer vs. new washer. HAPPY 2ND BIRTHDAY SIR FRIGEMORE!
Maybe if I utilize a little magic, I can levitate the clothes out of the washer, over the 2 open doors and into the dryer. Or better yet just a wave of a magic wand and BAM! clothes instantly teleported from one machine to the other without any opening of the doors.
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Post# 34717-11/18/2003-15:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: The POD lady is a very advanced witch indeed, she's cast a "no-leak" spell on the hot water side of that valve to keep it from spraying cold water!
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Post# 34718-11/18/2003-17:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: Well if she knows Lid Levitate than certainly she knows No-Leak. It's in the same spell book (Advanced Laundry Spells). If she's really good she knows how to transform her washer into another kind of washer.
I've been trying for the past two years to turn my Frigemore into a Kenmore 800. Unfortunately some evile wizards have casted the Rust spell on this here city which makes the Transform spell extremely difficult.
Todd the Wizard knows how to get around it because he owns a few vintage ones.
And I gotta wait 'till June 4th! ugh!
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Post# 34719-11/18/2003-18:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Do you mean I'm the next contestant on "To Tell The Truth" ? Will the grand prize be a pink Maytag pushbutton set?? Ok, here goes -
Several months ago, New Moon Productions posted an ad in the classified section of this site requesting info for filming some vintage machines for a show they were doing for HGTV called "Hey Remember!" I responded as did a few others. They called and asked if I would allow them to take some video of my washers and dryers. The segment they are working on is washing machines and laundry themed so they wanted footage of some of the washers for the show.
They arrived (in the rain) yesterday at 8:30 am and wrapped up three hours of film at 5 pm for a final grand total of six minutes of on screen time. There was WAY more on camera time for me than I would have imagined, so hopefully most of that will end up on the cutting room floor! We had fun and the day just flew by, I think some of the machine's personalities were more captivating than they'd expected. We shot lots of cool action footage of the Kelvinator, slant-front Westy and the 55 Unimatic. They also shot video "stills" of all the machines (even the humble Frigemore) and lots of vintage ads and sales literature for laundry as well as some dishwashers and detergents.
I snapped a few pics of the filming and I'll keep you posted on "Hey Remember Laundry" coming soon...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=Equipment+Ready.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/lst%3f%26.dir=/Misc.%2bFun%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 34720-11/18/2003-18:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: That's totally awesome!
When will this show air on HGTV? I"ll definitely PVR it.
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Post# 34721-11/18/2003-18:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Ohhh, wow! That is too cool!
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Post# 34722-11/18/2003-19:34 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Hey Remember: Washing Machines)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
This is great - Please let me know when this will be filmed and will I be able to see it in NY
Thanks,
Peter
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Post# 34723-11/18/2003-19:40 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Greg - that is terribly exciting! I can't wait to see it on TV - and will be sure to tape it.
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Post# 34724-11/18/2003-21:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I am so happy for you that this all came together. Your collection as well as the setting will be perfect for "Hey Remember"! I bet that you have really been busy getting ready for this. Congratulations and be sure to keep us posted as to when it will be on. This Friday they are doing a section on vacuums if any of you are interested. Terry
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Post# 34725-11/18/2003-21:22 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I am so happy for you that this all came together. Your collection as well as the setting will be perfect for "Hey Remember"! I bet that you have really been busy getting ready for this. Congratulations and be sure to keep us posted as to when it will be on. This Friday they are doing a section on vacuums if any of you are interested. Terry
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Post# 34726-11/18/2003-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Wonderful!)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, that is just so wonderful! We are all so proud of you, how fun to be on television! Thanks for the pictures, your basement looked wonderful for the filming, it will be interesting to see how they present your collection.
Its funny how little bits of big recognition like this seems to "legitimize" our collections to so many who otherwise look at us like were crazy.
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Post# 34727-11/18/2003-23:05 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
POD-- I want one!!
MESSAGE: Wish they still made machines like this one!
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Post# 34728-11/19/2003-00:11 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: interesting point, I mean we had a frigidaire dishwasher from the 50s that maintained a tank of water at 180 degrees a few days ago. Surely they must have had some washers with built in heaters in the US. In Europe even today hot water on tap is not always the norm, thus the washers sold there have water heaters built in.
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Post# 34729-11/19/2003-00:15 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: this was the age of the Stepford wife. Anything was possible
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Post# 34730-11/19/2003-00:25 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (congradulations.)
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see it and record it.
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Post# 34731-11/19/2003-02:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Frigidaire over current switches)
MESSAGE: What was unusual about Frigidaire is that their overcurrent switches wre manual reset user accessible, as opposed to everyone else where they were automatic reset built into the motor. I wonder what their reasoning was behind that piece of engineering?
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Post# 34732-11/19/2003-02:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (parts availability)
MESSAGE: I haven't had any trouble getting mechanical parts for my '78 LK yet, but seems that they've consolidated parts so that one has to buy the entire basket drive assembly,not just the tube.
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Post# 34733-11/19/2003-02:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: That's just it, they DIDN'T do such a great job in 10 minutes. As was discussed in past conversations on here, manufacturers realized that dishes needed longer wash cycles to get dishes clean, especially in households where the machine didn't run everyday, and lengthened them over the years, or gave people the option of making cycles longer.
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Post# 34734-11/19/2003-03:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Youngstown Kitchens Dishwasher (never installed)
MESSAGE: Did you ever find out the reason something brand new was never hooked up?
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Post# 34735-11/19/2003-03:15 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Rewiring a 1950 Frigidaire range (wiring insulation)
MESSAGE: Here's some info I found concerning insulation codes.
LINK: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/chpt_12/3.html
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Post# 34736-11/19/2003-03:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (tranny rebuild)
MESSAGE: I don't think they sell the individual parts of the gearcase anymore, have to buy the whole thing, though it's not TOO expensive ($140) for what it is. The pricing is very weird, $80 for a main drive pulley, but $140 for an entire gearcase, $20 for a little plastic water level switch handle, $80 for entire basket drive.
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Post# 34737-11/19/2003-03:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (TV show)
MESSAGE: I've seen a couple of episodes of this show, it's really good. The one I saw was about those chrome and Formica table sets we all remember and how there's a company still making them.
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Post# 34738-11/19/2003-04:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: They can also get away with having heaters built-in because of the availability of 220-240 volt power as the normal voltage. Here they have to build to the worst case scenario (15 amps/120volts)so noone has to put in special circuits even in older homes. Since a modern machine can draw around 9 amps, doesn't leave much room for a heater that would be able to heat the quantity of water a TL machine uses within a reasonable length of time, without using up the total capacity of the circuit.
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Post# 34739-11/19/2003-06:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: greg, that is so cool !!!!! yes, do keep us posted and let us know when the show is going to air ........ I cannot wait to see it :)
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Post# 34740-11/19/2003-06:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishes Dishes Dishes (10 Minutes?)
MESSAGE: I think, not sure, but the reason for the shorter cycle, at least the shorter wash cycle was because the detergents used back then were so caustic and strong, you did not want to expose the dishes to that stuff for to long. Mom used to use "finish" and she stopped filling the detergent cups full because all her glassware was becoming "etched", she later used no more than a heaping teaspoon and that was plenty. I guess it also obviously depends on how hard or soft your water is .......
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Post# 34741-11/19/2003-07:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: So you're going to be famous? "To Tell The Truth" is not broadcasted in Europe, so I guess I will have to wait for a convention to see it. Ofcourse I want a picture with an autograph!
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Post# 34742-11/19/2003-08:08 ||| 12345 (NYC)
SUBJECT:
RE: Modern Maid/McGraw Edison built-in toaster? (MODERN MAID TOASTER MODEL KBH-101)
MESSAGE: i LOOKING FOR A SECOND HAND MODERN MAID BUILT-IN WALL TOASTER
MODEL NO. KBH-101/KBT-100
THANKS,
AL
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Post# 34743-11/19/2003-08:21 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Adjusting a Whirlpool or Kenmore Spin Tube Clutch (parts availability)
MESSAGE: I think I may have some spin tube parts still for belt drive washers. Some are used and some are new. I know I have an after market tall superstructure (fits today's POD). Let me know if you want me to check. Be happy to!
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Post# 34744-11/19/2003-08:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi guys - thanks for the show of support. I was busy getting ready for the filming, I moved out several modern machines (I've missed my huge KM gas dryer) and brought in the Slant-Front Westies and did lots of detailing and moving things around on the shelves, etc. I found a drapery panel on ebay for Frigidaire "sheer-look" advertising and luckily, it was shipped just in time to be hung for the filming. I snapped a couple of pics of the south room the other day - you can see them thru the link.
The tenative air date for the show will be sometime in February '04 but they will send me a copy of the show 1-2 weeks before the show airs. I'll keep you updated when I hear something from the production company. They are also working on another segment of Hey Remember Dishwashers, so if anyone is interested in participating in that, I'll forward it to the producer. Muffy was very nice and lots of fun to work with.
The vacuum show coming up should be fun too - is anyone we know showing off their collection?
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Collection+Photos&.dnm=Westinghouse+1949.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 34745-11/19/2003-08:37 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: The basement looks so nice! You must have spit-polished the floors! Can't wait to see the show. Will there also be a special "bloopers" segment for when you lifted the lid of the running Kelvinator and it splashed on the camera man and camera, giving him a shock and making him twitch? ;)
Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 34746-11/19/2003-08:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: No electrical accidents to report, but the cameraman was quite impressed with the splashing of the Kelvi, he shot quite a bit of footage through the window and yes, some when I opened the lid too! He was quite eager to see the UV/ozone bulb in the Speed Queen dryer and the pulsating to spin/water throw in the unimatic made quite an impression as well. 1140 rpm - really??
They both were fascinated and bewildered with the Maytag wringer, neither of them knew what the process involved was and were shocked to see how much work it turned out to be - and we didn't even rinse the towels I demo'ed! And then they had to be carried outside to the clothes line... How did society survive with that much work???
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Post# 34747-11/19/2003-09:24 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT:
Superba
MESSAGE: There is a decent Superba portable DW for sale at the thrift store in Conyers, GA on Green ST. Interior is in excellent shape. Exterior is Avocado and needs touch up. Has all the "party cycle" buttons. Wood top needs sanding.
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Post# 34748-11/19/2003-10:05 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Congrats Gregg,
I can't wait to see that on tv and I will have my VCR ready with a fresh tape to capture the spender of vintage washing machines in action!
Now boys and girls, after this segment hit the airwaves two or more times, we will see a spike in demands for older appliances and we may have to bid very high on ebay in order to get a hold of our dream appliances if that's the only way to achieve them. I just hope that it will not be the case, but it may happen.
Good luck to one and all!
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Post# 34749-11/19/2003-10:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (To Tell The Truth)
MESSAGE: Louis, "To Tell The Truth" was a game show where they had three people come on the show and claim they were all the same person, the two contestents had to figure out who was the real "John Doe". The show was very popular and ran from Sep of 1956 through May of 1967 on CBS. I seem to remember a syndicated version of the show in the mid 70's too.
Here is a clip from my collection of To Tell The Truth from 1958...
To Tell The Truth (1.6mb)
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Post# 34750-11/19/2003-10:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
A mate for The General
MESSAGE: As some of you know, I have a 1981 GE Dryer. The guy that gave me the dryer said he has the matching GE Filter-Flo washer in storage.
YAY!
If all goes well, the General will be united his long lost mate and an old washer will be rescued at the same time.... In the land of rust. That will make 3 washers in the collection.
If so, then me and my friend are gonna run some water and drain pipes to kitchen wall so I can line up Sir Frigemore and Lil' Lady (after she's been fixed) and make provisions for a Kenmore 800 to move in when I find one.
Reunited and it feels so good
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Post# 34751-11/19/2003-11:11 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (This is Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Wonderful news that your collection is going to be broadcast. Really warms my heart to see the 1955 Frigidaire WV-65 that made it all the way out to your house from here in Ohio!
Since Im getting ready to install my 1961 Frigidaire Spray Tube dishwasher, let the H&G folks know Im available for a dishwasher show if they are interested. I have the Frigidaire spray tube, Youngstown Kitchens,James, 1952 & 1955 GE roll out drawer,1958 Whirlpool portable, 1963 GE top load, along with a couple of 40's non electrical countertop dishwashers, and of course there is a modern Danby countertop, thats not been hooked up yet! .........Oh, and I just got a call from Myra, she found a early 60's Modern Maid top loading dishwasher for me. Im goint to pick it up this weekend.
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Post# 34752-11/19/2003-12:29 ||| Bellware (Pittsburgh PA)
SUBJECT:
Refrigerator
MESSAGE: I recently purchased a vintage Frigidaire refrigerator. I do not know the year built or the model number. However, it has rounded corners, a trapeze shaped handle, light green interior and the shelves are gold and pull out. The model name is Imperial Cycla-matic. My question is how does the temperature control work. The settings are OFF - B - A - 1 - 2 - 3. Also, I would be interested in any additional information related to this appliance.
Thanks
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Post# 34753-11/19/2003-17:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (To Tell The Truth)
MESSAGE: Aha!!! I know the concept, we had a similar show here in Holland, I think that one ran over 20 years. As a matter of fact, one of the panel members was the first on TV open gay man.
My old computer is too tired to play the clip, but I'm 'expecting' a new one, so I will do a lot of clip watching soon!
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Post# 34754-11/19/2003-17:35 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A mate for The General
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jason, that is good news. Ofcourse we expect some pictures of it. Or do I feel a movie coming?
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Post# 34755-11/19/2003-18:09 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Superba (wish you were closer)
MESSAGE: That sounds like something I would be interested in especially if its avacodo. Wish you were closer
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Post# 34756-11/19/2003-18:19 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: A mate for The General (Yay Jason.)
MESSAGE: congrats on the matching washer, but I'm sad to hear the portable is on the injured list. Hope she gets well reeeaall soon.
Whats that song from the 80s "reunited"
reunited and it feels so goo-ood, reunited cause I understoo-ood,
theres one perfect fit,and sugar, this one is it,
I'm glad were back together now were, re-u-ni-ted,yaAah
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Post# 34757-11/19/2003-18:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Frigidaire over current switches)
MESSAGE: I would have to imagine for safety-That way Frigidaire could aviod a lawsuit filed by someone that had their hand in the washer-say it restarted and they got injured.I think ALL should be like that. The "auto" reset motor OL can be dangerous.The motor could restart unexpectedly.Is the manual OL reset button on the washers control panel?
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Post# 34758-11/19/2003-18:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD-- I want one!!
MESSAGE: I am with you that Whirlpool "Whopper" looks like an impressive machine!!-WANT ONE ALSO-Guess I'll have to start looking!Would be great for those folks that have large things to wash!
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Post# 34759-11/19/2003-18:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Water Heaters In Top Loaders..........)
MESSAGE: The water heater would have to be timed to operate when the washer motor isn't running. The heating element would have to run after the washer fills-then shut off when it agitates. Would have to have strong timer contacts for the heater.Also it would need a thermostat of some sort-I would imagine adjustable with a control on the washer control panel.
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Post# 34760-11/19/2003-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (actually)
MESSAGE: I can remember straight blade agitators in many WP-KN machines. I think the Surgilators were put into the Imperials or other similar top-of the line models.
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Post# 34761-11/19/2003-18:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: I couldn't answer to this entry yesterday because the computer I was using wouldn't login properly. The 380V caught my attention because one of the transmitters we use here was built in Germany. Around the base of its cabinet it has the Grounded 220V outlets that are shown as fig#2 in your link.The LV distrubution in that tx to run exciters,blowers,pumps,etc is 380V three phase. Its a grounded neutral "Y" type circuit. The 380V transformer steps down 4160V three phase to the 380V three phase.. If you go from any 380V leg to neutral or ground you get 220V. When looking at that 500Kw tx you could run your grounded appliances from the grounded connectors!!They are supplied by the Tx manufacturer to run their 220V test gear that came with the Tx. Fortunately there is plenty of 120V outlets nearby the tx to run conventional 120V equipment. also the 380V we get is 60Hz,not 50Hz.From what I could understand-does your GFI circuit breaker serve your whole house?
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Post# 34762-11/19/2003-19:35 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
unimatic agitator HELP needed
MESSAGE: I bent this piece back (see photo/link), but its still loose, how does this fit on properly ??? the machine works great and I just put in the new timer ............ but I don't know how to make the agitator column stay on or attach it ??? can anyone help ??? thanks in advance -gregm
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/vwp?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.dnm=underneath+agitator+cap.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/lst%3f%26.dir=/latest%2bfinds%2b...%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 34763-11/19/2003-19:55 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hey Guy You are installing your 61 spin tube dishwasher & I wonder if there is something about this machine I missed. I have a 62 spin tube & found it to be a poor performer. You can run this machine every meal. It does not hold much, loading is awkaward. Plates & flatwhare are fine in the bottom rack but that is about it. Must need much more practice is loading this machine. It is a cool machine & I love the look of the front (dishmobile) . The first machine I ever saw that just opened like a spring loaded oven door with no lock.... Hope you have better cleaning results than I did. Michael
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Post# 34764-11/19/2003-21:48 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines
MESSAGE: Wow Greg,
I'm so excited for you! Sounds like a good time was had by all. Can't wait to see the pics and can't wait to see the Kelvinator spash, the slant front tumble, and especially that Frigidaire pulsate!
Congrats,
Mike
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Post# 34765-11/20/2003-03:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Yes, for the whole house except for the washer outlet.
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Post# 34766-11/20/2003-08:09 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,
Im installing the 61 Frigidaire dishwasher in place of the 1952 GE roll out drawer dishwasher that I currently am using. Talk about a poor performer! The 61 is light years ahead of the GE. The GE is fine for dishes, but could not get a glass or spoon clean if its life depended on it. Its cycle is only about 12 minutes and there is no filter in it. So EVERYTHING must be washed before its even loaded. At least the Frigidaire has its famous floating filter. I am actually hooking up the Frigidaire in my laundry room first, to run my "own home independent test" on it to check its performance. It is a major job putting a dishwaser in my kitchen because of the ceramic floor that exisits and limits the clearance that a dishwasher needs to slide into. To make the GE fit, I had to use two hydraulic jacks, and lift up the countertop to get the dishwasher in. The GE had no provision for leveling feet, but was a solid braced cabinet. At least the Frigidaire has 4 screw feet in the bottom. Im going to the hardware store this morning to get the makeshift plumbing to hook the spin tube dishwasher up. It HAS to be better than the GE!!!!
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Post# 34767-11/20/2003-10:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hey Michael, I have a '56 Frigidaire Spray Tube dishwasher that I have used for over threes years and mine is a wonderful performer. I don't pre-rinse the dishes, I just scrape off any extra food and in they go. Granted it’s not going to get baked-on foods off without a presoak in the sink, but otherwise it washes very well. Since the glasses are turned on an angle they never have left over food deposits on top. Its biggests drawback is its smaller capacity, and I agree it has an odd loading pattern that takes some getting use to.
Since we moved into our new house in July I haven't been using my '56 Frigidaire as I'm waiting to install it until January when we finish re-doing the kitchen, so I've been using the modern ‘00 Kenmore dishwasher that was in the house. The way people go on here and at the Appliance Forum about how much better modern dishwashers are I expected to see a miracle machine, but that wasn’t my experience. It does clean pots and pans better than my '56, as it usually get off baked on foods without presoaking, but it doesn't do it consistently and occasionally there are bits of food on top of the glasses that need to be wiped off.
Are you sure your ’61 is working properly? The spray tube does need to turn at 650rpm for proper washing, the bakelite bearing assembly that supports the spray tube does tend to wear over the years and it might be slowing down the tube.
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Post# 34768-11/20/2003-11:02 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: Hi guys,most of us know that WP supplies sears with their washers,but who was the supplier for Montgomerey Wards signature in the 50's... Norge?
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Post# 34769-11/20/2003-11:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Thank you Robert, you answered a few questions about your dishwashers in the new house before I even could ask them :-) Is the kitchen going to be in retro style?
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Post# 34770-11/20/2003-12:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Yep............ You got it......
--Charles--
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Post# 34771-11/20/2003-12:39 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD
MESSAGE: Before Norge, it was Westinghouse. The dryer in the POD is a Westy under the hood.
-ph
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Post# 34772-11/20/2003-12:43 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: I'm outbid (Maytag pair outbid)
MESSAGE: It's George from Fresno, CA: I have no idea who outbid you, but I recall seeing this auction and even wrote to the seller to ask if the consoles on the machines were the "light-up" types. I wanted to tell you, if you are interested in this model Maytag pair, I have the same pair in Harvest Gold, gas dryer, with the consoles that light up during the cycle. The dryer's glass is broken, but I just located and received a replacement glass piece. If you are interested in purchasing, please e-mail me at ghewett@daklaw.com, and I will forward a picture of the pair to you. Thanks -- George
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Post# 34773-11/20/2003-17:03 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher , just need more practice loading it I guess)
MESSAGE: Hey guy Thanks for the posting & I checked the spray tube. The interior of the machine is in new condition. The lady had it in her kitchen forever & never used it. The spray tube is still shinney black & spin's very easily. I think it must be the odd way of loading. More practice & patience is needed, I'm sure. Michael
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Post# 34774-11/20/2003-18:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (That's Shocking)
MESSAGE: Thats an interesting arrangement-your codes are way different than ours. For USA-the GFI outlets are installed in bathrooms and kitchens where the outlet is within reach of a sink or similar water containing fixture. the lawndry room outlets here aren't on GFI's either.
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Post# 34775-11/20/2003-21:39 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Careful Loading Required.)
MESSAGE: Wow. I learn something new just about every time that I come to this site! :-) Frigidaire Spray Tube Dishwashers rank right up there with Frigidaire "Live Water Action" washing machines as my all time favorite appliances. (Frigidaire Flairs are awesome too, but I digress.) One of the things that I was shocked to learn here, was that their Live Water Action washers had to be loaded very carefully in order to avoid tangling. Who knew? (Especially since one of my aunts (late 1950's model) and one of my neighbors (early 50's model) both had Frigidaires and I never heard either one of them complain about tangling problems.) I never did have the pleasure of seeing a Spray Tube dishwasher in action, but I do remember drooling over magazine ads for them. I've just learned that the Spray Tube Machines had "an odd loading pattern that takes some getting use to"! I can't stop laughing over the fact that both of my all time favorite appliance designs had loading pattern issues! What is it with Frigidaire and it's designers? Surely they didn't set out to cause loading pattern issues in their awesome designs!
Mike
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Post# 34776-11/20/2003-22:47 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (POD Westy Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hi I havent posted in a while,,, would love to see the washer that went with that westy dryer... Jasonl would love to see those catalogue pages of the sears machines.. alr2903. hope everyone is well...
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Post# 34777-11/21/2003-06:23 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
61 Frig. Spray Tube Dishwasher: Question for Robert
MESSAGE: Did I read your post correct? The spin tube is supposed to revolve at 650 rpm? Could you have meant 65 rpm? Im working on my spray tube now, hooked it up in my laundry room last night. It leaks badly from all the seals at the moment, but I think I can fix all that. Doing the first load in it, and its performance is light years ahead of my 1952 GE roll out drawer dishwasher.
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Post# 34778-11/21/2003-06:41 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
POD Philco
MESSAGE: Hi. Does anyone have info on how the "ball point balance" works?
The ad suggets it doesn't have any springs, etc. I am mystifed as to how it could work.
Thanks.
Chris.
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Post# 34779-11/21/2003-10:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (Loading a Frigidaire)
MESSAGE: I washed some whites (undies socks and towels) along with my bed sheets in a 65 Jetcone and it didn't tangle up. It worked perfectly.
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Post# 34780-11/21/2003-10:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: A mate for The General (Thanks)
MESSAGE: SSSsssshhhh.... don't tell The General
I'm gonna ask for the washer today and she might come home soon. My friend and I are gonna run the plumbing along the kitchen wall to get the machines installed. I'm gonna rearrange things a little to make it easy to work with.
So the laundry area (it's not even a room in this small trailer) has the existing w/d in a little area divided by the wall. So I'm gonna pop a hole in the wall and run the plumbing into the back wall of the kitchen. Currently I have (from left to right) GE Dryer, Sir Frigemore, wall, Lil' Lady with hoses run around the wall to make her work.
The new plan is...
Sir F on left
The GEneral (dryer)
wall (with holes and pipes)
*coming soon* GE Filter-Flo
Lil' Lady (after repairs)
YAY.
Moving the kitchen table will allow for more machines but will fill up my already tiny kitchen.
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Post# 34781-11/21/2003-10:46 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 61 Frig. Spray Tube Dishwasher: Question for Robert (The Forbidden-To-See Cycle)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, yup, it is suppose to revolve at 650rpm according to the service manuals. A few years ago on a parts hunting trip to Iowa with Greg I was so excited when I found the clear demonstration door for the Frigidaire spray tube dishwashers, I just love watching the "forbidden-to-see" dishwashing cycle.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/multimatic850/vwp?.dir=/1956+Frigidaire+Dishwasher&.dnm=Dishwasher+1.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 34782-11/21/2003-10:54 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Philco
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, I believe you are right the "ball point balance" system doesn't use any springs, as my '59 Philco uses that same system. I can't exactly say how it works though, but its the most stable washer I have ever seen, granted its not hard to be stable with a 550rpm high speed spin.
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Post# 34783-11/21/2003-13:42 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT:
Beautiful GE Machines on Ebay
MESSAGE: So who's machines are these on ebay? They are AWESOME! Is it you, FilterFlo? Wish I had the $$$; I'd buy 'em in a heart beat.
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Post# 34784-11/21/2003-13:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Philco
MESSAGE: It's quite simply a ball(socket) inside a rubber dampened cup.
This is it - in your restoration pics? That's all there is according to the book as well, no tension springs or other support. A brilliant system really, and it worked like a charm.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/philcobendix/vwp?.dir=/%2759+Philco+Automagic+Restoration&.dnm=25+Ball-Point+Snubber+System.jp.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 34785-11/21/2003-20:40 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Beautiful GE Machines on Ebay
MESSAGE: I Bid on these but someone by the name of "GE Filter Flo Guy" outbid me. I do not think it was Jimmy unless he has a different name on Ebay. That's Ok as long as they went to a good home. The person who outbid me is not listed on our site. I would have liked them but the cost of shipping would have been around $600.00 for me. I can use the money for Christmas instead.
HI! to all,
Bruce
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Post# 34786-11/22/2003-05:00 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Beautiful GE Machines on Ebay (Im NOT GEFilterfloman)
MESSAGE: Hi Bruce and all, No I am NOT GEFilterfloman. I am FilterFlo, both on this group and on ebay, but I DO NOT have two ebay names. GEFiltefloman has outbid me on a couple of items too, and I dont know who he is. I THINK he is someone on the group that uses an alias name on ebay. All is fair in love and war and ebay so they say,and its the highest bidder that always wins! Good luck to him with his wonderful GE set, who ever he is..................BTW, I have that same exact set in white, the guys saw them here at my house in September, and if I didnt have them already, I sure would have been tempted to bid!
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Post# 34787-11/22/2003-08:45 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 61 Frig. Spray Tube Dishwasher: Question for Robert (The Forbidden-To-See Cycle)
MESSAGE: Hey Guy , My Machine has the very same racking but my racks are grafite grey. I guess I am just used to loading a machine the regular way. Thanks for the pic's ,I see very little on the bottom rack. More practice loading I guess but instead will prob. sell her. On the hunt for an other machine & need the room. Besides I have 5 machines in storage that I do not use & collecting dust. Again thanks for the loading pic's & tips. Michael
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Post# 34788-11/22/2003-11:39 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT:
Save this Dryer!
MESSAGE: A Westinghouse Slant Front! It works, but it sounds like it needs a new heating element.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3640210224&category=13596&sspagename=rvi:1:2
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Post# 34789-11/22/2003-14:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Sale Finds 11/22
MESSAGE: Went to a couple of sales today, one was a house the owner had lived in since the early 30's and the house was in nearly original condition. I found a couple of boxes of Rinso Blue detergent, some Ivory Snow granulated soap and a few other fun things. I posted a picture of the side of the box with some illustrations of washers, some interesting designs they came up with!
I also found a Hoover #543 vacuum and orginal attachments, most never used. It was in too nice of condition to walk away from plus I was nursing a little 'vacuum fever' after watching Hey Remember - Vacuums last night on HGTV. Not pictured is a very old 8' rug I found in beautiful shape that will keep our toes warm in the hall this winter.
Hope everyone is having a great weekend!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/vwp?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=sale+finds+11+22+03.jpg&.view=t
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Post# 34790-11/22/2003-19:00 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
To "Retro_Guy"
MESSAGE: Hello Jeff:
How are you doing this weekend??? Hope all is fine with you and your family. Anyway......... I have just reactivated my "yahoo" mail account. So now....... if you were having all sorts of problems sending mail to my "hotmail" accounts. Then maybe, you'll have better luck sending them to my "yahoo" account.
What you could do is send something meaningless to my "yahoo" address first just to see whether or not it will go through. If so, then you can finally send me those 1972 Kenmore pictures to THAT account. If not, then we'll figure out something else.
Well........... that's it for now.
Take Care and Regards To You and Your Family........
AND
Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!!
--Charles--
P.S.: Checked your profile.......... I see you are a Kenmore fan yourself. So am I. My great aunt had a 1966-67 Lady Kenmore set (the first models with the keyboard consoles) when I was growing up.
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Post# 34791-11/23/2003-05:20 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Philco
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, thanks for linking those photos. After going through several of them I can see how it works, the tranny is supported from below by the snubber/balance cup, and from above by the tub seal. Sort of like the Frigidaire Pulsamatic, which is supported below by a snubber and single spring, and above by the tub seal.
The Philco Automagic, does the agitator turn in one direction and move eccentrically? I guess it doesn't move back and forth?
Thanks
Chris.
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Post# 34792-11/23/2003-07:53 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Does anyone know who this is from Santa Ana, California? Check out the Coppertone Frigidaire appliance next to it in the second pic.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3255848720&category=20714
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Post# 34793-11/23/2003-08:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: The auction is almost done. This is the same washer our neighbours had when I was 5.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3253783670&category=8419
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Post# 34794-11/23/2003-12:29 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Oh gosh...why isnt that the washer??? If anyone is interested in that I can pick it up for them...I live in Santa Ana.
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Post# 34795-11/23/2003-13:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: I think this one is meant for you....
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Post# 34796-11/23/2003-13:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Sherwood Green - that is very, very rare! Thanks for the heads-up Rich. Click on View Sellers Other Items to see more Frigidaire stuff including a '63 pink dishwasher...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3255849788
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Post# 34797-11/23/2003-13:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Absolutely, Rich! It's the first half of the set - you'd be the only one with a Sherwood Green dryer!
And it's in Orange County too, couldn't be easier...
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Post# 34798-11/23/2003-13:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Wow - this looks like a toy! Is it an optical illusion or does it seem small? It probably looked huge when you were 5, what a fun washer to watch!
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Post# 34799-11/23/2003-13:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: I does look like someone is liquidating a Frigidaire collection doesn't it?? 4 appliances in one batch, plus the coppertone (dryer?) not listed, yet...
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Post# 34800-11/23/2003-14:09 ||| Hornbellygroove (Stroudsburg)
SUBJECT:
1956 Amana freezer
MESSAGE: Hi! I have a working 1956 Amana freezer. Can anyone possibly tell me if this is worth saving, or if I should just scrap it. Thanks
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Post# 34801-11/23/2003-15:08 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: And look, he's got a skinny mini just like mine.
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Post# 34802-11/23/2003-15:12 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay (A Collector?)
MESSAGE: Well the seller obviously knows what they are taking about, they referred to the green as "Sherwood Green" which is the correct name of Frigidaire's Green color from late '54 thru '57. They also know its a 1955 model, so either they have done their homework very well or they are part of our little community. Will the real "disneygal12" please stand up.
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Post# 34803-11/23/2003-15:15 ||| unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sale Finds 11/22
MESSAGE: Fabulous, fun finds Greg! Nothing that good here yesterday, but I didn't have time to go to all the sales :(
We did see a GE Combination Refrigerator from around '54 that was in beautiful shape and it was temping, by the time we got back to the sale, it was over. Not a big deal, vintage refrigerators are still a dime-a-dozen.
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Post# 34804-11/23/2003-15:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Wow Louis, that would be fun to have. Does it run on 380 volts? Are you on your way down to Germany to pick this baby up?
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Post# 34805-11/23/2003-15:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Sand Test, but this time Truly Live!
MESSAGE: I’ve uncovered another version of our famous Westinghouse Sand Test commercial. This is the same commercial, but I found the actual live print this time. The one I had in my collection before was a slightly chopped up version, I knew this other version existed because I had seen it a the Museum of Television in New York about 20 years ago. The new one is more complete and is slightly longer, it also has some more accurate and clearer shots of each washer being unloaded. Check it out, I’ve overwrote the old commercial with the new one so they are in the same spot in the
Video Library.
I also added two new commercials:
The first is for the 1960 Philco-Bendix Duomatic, teamed up with Clorox bleach its under “1960 Philco-Bendix Duomatic Combination Washer-Dryer” under the Automatic Washer commercials sections.
The other is a new commercial for Dash which is under “Vintage Soap, Detergent and Additive Television Commercials” section entitled: No need to adjust the rinse cycle lady, just use DASH!.
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Post# 34806-11/23/2003-16:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Yes, it looks like a toy, mainly because of it's odd size. It's 2 inches wider but 6 inches shallower than a modern European washer. Same height. I remember that there was hardly a rubber boot, perhaps it was hard mounted. The glass door doesn't have the depth of modern European washers. It used lots of water while rinsing, the water level came almost half way the glass door. It made the laundry roll over instead of tumble. I remember the sloshing sound that that made.
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Post# 34807-11/23/2003-16:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Robert, I think the plug is a 220V one. I'm not on my way yet, I didn't buy it (lack of space..) but I contacted the buyer and asked if he was a collector. Well he said he wasn't, it was the washer from his youth. Doesn't that sound familiar?
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Post# 34808-11/23/2003-16:21 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay (62 spray tube dishmobile)
MESSAGE: Nice machine , same machine I have but mine is white. Fussy to load though. Michael
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Post# 34809-11/23/2003-17:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay
MESSAGE: Rich - I think this one has your name all over it...........
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Post# 34810-11/23/2003-23:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: Another Commercial I recently digitized is for liquid Cold Water All. It's filmed in a "Dream Laundromat" somewhere deep in the fond memories of many of us here in Applianceville. I have been to only a few laundromats like this when I was a very young kid and I can remember the excitement of getting a rare glimps of these wonderful machines. Lets see if anyone out there in Applianceville can graduate all the way to the "Queen For A Day" spot. I might even stump some of our more seasoned Appliancevillers with the harder questions. Do look closely for subtle clues in the commercial to the answers most of these questions.
Cold Water All Commecial [2.5mb]
Applianceville Nursery School:
Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat?
Applianceville Grammar School Graduate:
What is the Agitator Style in these washers?
Applianceville Junior High School Graduate:
What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle?
Applianceville High School Graduate:
Name the Transmission used in these washers.
University of Applianceville Graduate:
Name the Model # of this washer.
Queen For A Day:
Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on.
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Post# 34811-11/24/2003-07:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (the answers...)
MESSAGE: And the answer is...
I have not a clue!
The round window suggests kelvinator but the inside and top of the agitator doesn't look like it. Is it Frigidaire?
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Post# 34812-11/24/2003-07:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: I'll try two answers
Definitely Frigidaire
Deep action agitator?
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Post# 34813-11/24/2003-08:25 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (QuizTime!!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert and to all AppliancViller's.... here goes...
Applianceville Nursery School: Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat? FRIGIDAIRE
Applianceville Grammar School Graduate: What is the Agitator Style in these washers? 3 RING AGITATOR
Applianceville Junior High School Graduate: What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle? 18MINS
Applianceville High School Graduate: Name the Transmission used in these washers. PULSAMATIC
University of Applianceville Graduate: Name the Model # of this washer. WD-58
Queen For A Day: Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on.
I DREAM OF GENE.....
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 34814-11/24/2003-11:10 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (hmmm!)
MESSAGE: *Washer: Frigidaire
*Agitator: Deep Action
*Total time: 21 min. ??
*Transmission: Unimatic
*Model#: ??
*TV program & episode: Leave it to Beaver. The last episode
known as "Family Scrapbook"?
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Post# 34815-11/24/2003-12:13 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: Great Great Great; this was the Constructa that had my grandmother when I was born in the 1968. It boil the white and was very good for diapers and whites.
Now I have a Candy and it wash very well like this Constructa but only at 60° and it save a lot of water.
Foraloysius, please do you have some photos of this machine, because I don't remeber it very well. thank you! Bye.
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Post# 34816-11/24/2003-13:05 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A true European Classic: Constructa Typ3
MESSAGE: I have no other pictures than this one.
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Post# 34817-11/24/2003-13:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert - what a fun idea and a great commercial!
Applianceville Nursery School: Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat?
Maytag ;-)
Applianceville Grammar School Graduate: What is the Agitator Style in these washers?
Deep Action/Jet Action (the clothes coming out in the commercial weren't tangled and roped)
Applianceville Junior High School Graduate: What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle?
18 minutes
Applianceville High School Graduate: Name the Transmission used in these washers.
Unimatic
University of Applianceville Graduate: Name the Model # of this washer.
WCOZ
Queen For A Day: Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on.
Is there a 1st runner up position? (just in case the real winner can't fufill her duties due to a nasty scandal?)
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Post# 34818-11/24/2003-15:04 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
50's Kitchen Aid dishwashers
MESSAGE: anyone know differences between KD-11 and KD-12 Kitchen Aid dishwashers ?? and what years they were made or what year they went to a KD-12 ?? I have both, the KD-11 says 1956 on the timer and is a "gravity drain". My KD-12P, I was told the "P" stands for "pump", obviously the drain water is "pumped out" vs. gravity ............. thanks ...........
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Post# 34819-11/24/2003-15:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (So Far...)
MESSAGE: Well so far I've seen correct answers for the Brand, Agitator Style, total cycle and transmission. For everyone who has submitted an answer, no one has had all their submitted answers correct. I'll post the answers late tonight. Anyone else care to try??? There's a crown at stake here!
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Post# 34820-11/24/2003-16:02 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (So Far...Jeopardy)
MESSAGE: TV Program, The Ed Sullivan Show, featuring the Beatles. Their first visit to America.
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Post# 34821-11/24/2003-17:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: Nope. The Beatles on Ed was in 64
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Post# 34822-11/24/2003-17:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats
MESSAGE: Applianceville Nursery School: Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat? FRIGIDAIRE
Applianceville Grammar School Graduate: What is the Agitator Style in these washers? THREE RING
Applianceville Junior High School Graduate: What is the total time these washers took to complete a full cycle? 18 MINUTES
Applianceville High School Graduate: Name the Transmission used in these washers. UNIMATIC
University of Applianceville Graduate: Name the Model # of this washer. WD58
Queen For A Day: Name the television program and particular world famous episode that this commercial aired on. HMMM...NOT SURE OF THIS...THE FIRST EPISODE OF "THE BEVERLY HILLBILLIES?" HA ...OR WAS IT SUSAN LUCCI'S DEBUT ON "DAYS OF OUR LIVES?" FIRST EPISODE OF "BEWITCHED?" OH, I GIVE UP :-)
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Post# 34823-11/24/2003-19:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (A Hint)
MESSAGE: Here's a little look inside for a hint...
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Post# 34824-11/24/2003-19:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (???)
MESSAGE: "Leave It To Beaver" where Beav oversudses the washer.
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Post# 34825-11/24/2003-20:58 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (A Hint)
MESSAGE: I remember someone in the archives said frigidaire tested the jetcone with the unimatic in the commercial machines. 18 minutes?...TV show give me Bonanza :-)
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Post# 34826-11/24/2003-22:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: Great answers guys! Well except for the model number, all the correct answers were given, just not all by the same person. Although I'm thrilled that someone got the correct answer to the hardest, 'Queen For A Day' question.
Name the Brand of Washers in the Laundromat? FRIGIDAIRE (of course, what else)
Agitator Style:
The later 12lb tub 3-ring agitator, with out the cap for the coin-op models.
Total Cycle Time: 18 mins
Check out the Pause & Fill before the overflow rinse! And what's up with the pauses before the spin??? Unimatics don't need pauses to reverse the motor. Maybe Frigidaire engineers thought it would go easier on the clutch-torque spring.
Transmission: Unimatic
Model # of this washer: WCOF (produced in '63 and '64)
Program and world famous episode:
Yes it was during the Ed Sullivan Show, broadcasted on Feb 9, 1964 right after the Beetles came on national television for the very first time in front of thousands of screeming teenage girls!
Leslie, please come up and claim your cape and crown!
By the way, while you can clearly see the three ring agitator in this commercial these were obviously early WCOF model washers. In the middle of the production of the WCOF coin op's, Frigidiare stopped the Assembly Line and made the following
ANNOUNCEMENT.
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Post# 34827-11/24/2003-23:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: We should order one of these timers and connect it to a unimatic to see how the cycle is live - the pauses and fill-agitate sequences would be a trip!
(We'd have to alter a water valve with a flow rate large enough to accomodate the shorter fill times, but still calibrated for the 9lb tub of course...)
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Post# 34828-11/25/2003-07:20 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: Well, since it was on Feb 9, 1964, there is no way in you know where that I would have even noticed the washer commercial. I was too far gone and in shock from the performance. Signed, the world's # Beatles fan (my only other passion other than appliances and Bears!!!)
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Post# 34829-11/25/2003-07:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
wasn't someone looking for an OLDER MAYTAG DRYER ?
MESSAGE: For Auction--Antique Maytag Dryer Model DE-105 Like New!
Placed by: John-Mark Mahnkey Date: 10/3/2003
Email: spamhole@pullman.com Phone:
Location of Item(s): Pullman, WA
Description of Item(s): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2351126797&category=20714&rd=1 My grandmother had to move and we're selling all her unneeded furniture and appliances. She was a firm believer in air-drying her laundry, so this dryer has seen very little use since purchase. In fact, the only times I remember it being used were when my mother would visit or when she ran out of room to hang stuff in the rec room on rainy days! Truly an appliance "only used by a little old lady before church on Sundays!" This dryer looks to be almost brand new, straight off the appliance store showroom! It has a few very small scratches on the side that faced the washing machine and from moving, but looks much better than most appliances half its age! There is no rust inside or out, and in fact the drum and inside of the door are exceptional! The rubber on the gasket is still soft and the door closes solidly. It comes with a 220v pigtail attached, and according to the UL plate and the wiring schematic attached to the back it can also be set up for operation on 115v current! The wiring schematic and the patent number stickers are still attached to the back and in great condition as well. If you would like, I can send you several more supersized pictures with much more detail- just email me!
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Post# 34830-11/25/2003-07:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: Hey, do you have that entire show with the Beatles on Ed Sullivan? Man that would be cool to see.
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Post# 34831-11/25/2003-07:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Fill-agitate)
MESSAGE: Looks like they're trying to mimic the "Magic Minute" by filling and agitating. I guess that's how they force the clothes to get clean in such a short amount of time. Must be strange to see this in action.
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Post# 34832-11/25/2003-08:28 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
Oh What Memories!
MESSAGE: The pic of the day is just like the laundromat I used to work in when I was a kid. It was a dry cleaner also with norge FL machines
Those 18 minute machines
oh what memories
Peter
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Post# 34833-11/25/2003-08:41 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
dream laundromats (agitator effectiveness)
MESSAGE: Of all the types of up and down action agitators Frigidaire used...which agitators were most and least effective?
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Post# 34834-11/25/2003-08:49 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oh What Memories! (Super Duty Commercial Mech w/Rapidry 1000)
MESSAGE: O.K. Frigidiarians, is the "Super-Duty" system another name for the Roller-Matic mechanism or another version of the Unimatic? If it is the Rollermatic did it differ in any meaningful way from the household washer version?
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Post# 34835-11/25/2003-09:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Robert, thanks for the fun!
MESSAGE: Hey Uni, thank you for adding in these fun videos and pop quizzes. You're making this site like it used to be...
LOADS of fun!
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Post# 34836-11/25/2003-10:18 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: wasn't someone looking for an OLDER MAYTAG DRYER ?
MESSAGE: Im the one that wants a older Maytag drier. I Emailed them, its been sold already. Thank you for keeping a eye out for me!
Rich
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Post# 34837-11/25/2003-12:20 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: I always thought that would be a fun thing to do greg! Some of the eariler coin op cycles were even more screwy, when I get time I post some of them too.
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Post# 34838-11/25/2003-12:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, yes, I have the entire 60 minute Ed Sullivan show, where the Beetles first performed, with all the original commercials intact. It was very fun to watch the entire show just like it was meant to be seen back in '64.
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Post# 34839-11/25/2003-12:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oh What Memories!
MESSAGE: Yes, today's POD is Frigidaire's coin-op washer model WCL which was produced from '66 thru the early 70's. It was available in pink, yellow and turquoise early on. By the time this brochure was printed in the late 60's they offered it in Avacado and Harvest Gold.
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Post# 34840-11/25/2003-12:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Fill-agitate)
MESSAGE: Except for the fact that this "Magic Minute" is performed near the end of the wash cycle. Go figure? I really don't know what the engineers had in mind with that 20 second pause & fill, but the coin-op machines thru the early 70's all did this.
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Post# 34841-11/25/2003-12:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: dream laundromats (agitator effectiveness)
MESSAGE: I think the answer to the question depends on who you ask. IMHO I like the two and three ring agiators the best. They do turn over the clothes much better than the Deep Action, and they put on a wonderful show, but you need to be more careful in your sorting/loading to prevent tangling.
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Post# 34842-11/25/2003-12:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert, thanks for the fun!
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, I wish I had time to do more.
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Post# 34843-11/25/2003-13:14 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Drum Roll Please)
MESSAGE: Well, there we have it. The 4 B's: Bamerman, Beatles, Bears and Bappliances!!! One more B than the traditional 3: Borax, Bleach and Brighteners.
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Post# 34844-11/25/2003-13:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Beatles)
MESSAGE: OMG! That's great. is there any way you could make a copy of it for me? I would LOVE to see it.
Thanks.
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Post# 34845-11/25/2003-16:21 ||| fixit (NE Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT:
Green 1977 Frig DEI 1-18 Dryer - Worth Anything?
MESSAGE: Hi All,
We recently got an avocado '77 DEI dryer in, and we're wondering whether to strip it, try to sell it, or scrap it. Are the green ones worth anything? It runs OK, and is pretty nice cosmetically, a scuff or two here & there.
Thanks for any advice you may have. I've worked on 'em for 30+ years, but haven't collected any so don't know their value today.
Have a great Thanksgiving!
Dave Harnish
Dave's Repair Svc
New Albany, PA
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Post# 34846-11/25/2003-17:44 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save this Dryer! (Sweet~!)
MESSAGE: Can anyone help me get an estimate to create & freight to Fort Lauderdale (33301)?
-ALex
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Post# 34847-11/25/2003-17:55 ||| Antiquehawkca (Alberta)
SUBJECT:
Philco V handle Fridge
MESSAGE: Can anyone help me with the value of an original
1953 Philco V Handle. I would like to sell it does anyone know of any desussion pages where I could post this.
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Post# 34848-11/25/2003-18:32 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save this Dryer! (Sweet~! shipping)
MESSAGE: hey alex call infomation and get the number for the craters and freighters in or near the town where the dryer is then call em and get a quote or call infomation and get the number for vintage transport i think they are in phonix az they will go everywhere and ship too and the usually cost less and they dont sublet out to a freight line with them it may take a bit longer i am using them to ship a laundromat for ca to st louis and they were just over 200 less than the craters guys so ill see how well they do when it arrives its a great dryer go for it every one needs a westinghouse have a good one chris
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Post# 34849-11/25/2003-18:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oh What Memories! (Super Duty Commercial Mech w/Rapidry 1000)
MESSAGE: Hi Leslie, the Super-Duty Mech was a modified version of the Multimatic. It had a one speed motor and a larger motor pulley for the spin clutch as to increase the spin speed to 1010rpm. Agitation was still at the normal 330ppm.
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Post# 34850-11/25/2003-19:15 ||| fixit (NE Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco V handle Fridge (Assessing Value of a V-Handle)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I'd visit www.antiqueappliances.com, and follow the instructions for sending them 2 pics of your refrig. The V-handles are in demand, and they may be interested. I got a pretty fast response recently when I sent pics of an old Westy refrig.
Hope that's of some help to you.
Dave Harnish
Daves Repair Service
New Albany, PA
drs@sosbbs.com
LINK: http://http:\\www.AntiqueAppliances.com
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Post# 34851-11/25/2003-21:42 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1955 Filtrator Dryer on eBay (wow!)
MESSAGE: I would so love that dishwasher.......I've never seen one in Mayfair Pink...... SteveD
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Post# 34852-11/26/2003-08:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
59-64 Frigidaire Multimatic question.. how does it work?
MESSAGE: Here's a simple one for the wizards out there.
How does the multimatic transmission work? Is there a service diagram or parts diagram out there? Just curious.
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Post# 34853-11/26/2003-11:23 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 59-64 Frigidaire Multimatic question.. how does it work? (only Frigidaire...)
MESSAGE: Only Frigidaire could have come up with this...
Ingredients:
agitator shaft
torque spring
wobble plate
wobble plate bearing and assembly
spherical bearing
mechanism housing
The agitator column is held in a fixed position and prevented from rotating within the mechanism by a torque spring. On the end of the shaft is a wedge shaped wobble plate. Since it is held fixed by the torque spring, whatever travels around it goes up and down as it rides around the wedge. The wobble plate is surrounded by the wobble plate bearing and assembly which allows the mechanism to turn around it without turing the agitator shaft itself and causes the up and down pulsating agitation. One end of the wobble plate assembly connects to the spherical bearing in the mechanism housing. The entire transmission turns, the agitator shaft and wobble plate remain fixed, the spherical bearing allows the wobble plate assembly to move, the wobble plate assembly rides the wobble plate's wedge shaped slopes, and the agitator shaft is forced up and down.
The drawing that illustrates what happens really has to be studied to get how it works. It took me a long time to really understand it. You know how in the Rollermatic, there is a spherical bearing at the end of the agitate arm that allows circular motion to translate to vertical movement? This is kind of the same thing. The spherical bearing in the Multimatic allows for the wobble assembly to ride the slope of the wobble plate -- up around one side, down around the other side. Because the agitator shaft and wobble plate can't go any where, they move up and down, being forced by the movement of the wobble assembly turning round them.
I'm sure someone will scan the drawings soon...
Tech-Talk
July 1958
Volume IX, number 7A
pg LP-45, 46
-ph
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Post# 34854-11/26/2003-11:57 ||| retro_guy (Baltimore, MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: To "Retro_Guy" (Sent the pics..)
MESSAGE: Charles,
I sent the pics to your yahoo account - the one listed on your profile.. was that right?
Jeff
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Post# 34855-11/26/2003-14:57 ||| Lannij (snohomish)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire RBGH-335 Model Flair Wall Oven
MESSAGE: Greetings from Snohomish, Washington. We recently bought a house with the above mentioned wall oven installed and working well (knock on wood). What I LOVE about this applicance is the way the oven door swings up and out of the way, rather than dropping down and becoming an obstacle. I do not understand why appliance makers can't figure out the simplist things! I found this website while looking to see if parts are still available anywhere. Anyway, just thought I'd comment and say hi!
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Post# 34856-11/26/2003-16:35 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: To "Retro_Guy" (Sent the pics..)
MESSAGE: Hello Jeff
How are you this long weekend. That was the correct address (but I forgot to add it in my last post (damn me)), and this time, I got the pictures.
Thanks again
Happy Holidays!!!!!
--Charles--
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Post# 34857-11/26/2003-21:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Gobble Gobble
MESSAGE: Happy Turkey Day everyone!
Can you imagine all the appliances at work tomorrow?
My grandpa's 1948 GE Fridge is keeping the turkey cold. A 1965 Tappan built-in gas oven will keep it warm... VERY warm :-) And a 1948 Cajun woman will get the dishes clean. Yes, she's automatic if you be real nice to her. If I come home early tomorrow night, I'll let Sir Frigemore and the General join the fun.
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Post# 34858-11/26/2003-21:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gobble Gobble (Yay)
MESSAGE: Happy Thanksgiving Applianceville!
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Post# 34859-11/26/2003-22:05 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
Happy Thanksgiving!!
MESSAGE: I want to wish everyone a very Happy Thanksgiving.
May everyone enjoy the Holiday and have fun filling the dishwashers.
Jetaction to all
Peter
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Post# 34860-11/26/2003-22:20 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
Happy Thanksgiving!
MESSAGE: Wishing everyone in Applianceville a very Happy Thanksgiving! Terry
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Post# 34861-11/26/2003-22:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
Happy Thanksgiving!!
MESSAGE: I"m thankful for each one of y'all. With all my love, Bob.
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Post# 34862-11/26/2003-23:44 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
What am I thankful for on this day?
MESSAGE: Some of the things I am thankful for on this day:
I'm thankful for the miniature silverware rack wash arm that GE had in some of their dishwashers in the 70s.
I'm thankful for the electrolux Marquis design in the mid 80s
I'm thankful for the triple dispenser that Kenmore had on most Lady Kenmore Washers in the 70s and early 80s.
and Robert for putting together this web site.
oh, I'm also thankful for the Serta Counting Sheep. (they are funny)
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Post# 34863-11/27/2003-02:20 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Thanksgiving!! (Well, Sorta)
MESSAGE: Happy Thanksgiving to all that have given me a lot to be thankful for. A place to visit everyday and take enjoyment in our unique hobby and fascination. Although I don't post much I keep myself up-to-date on everysingle post and ongoings. Thanks for another year of enjoyment. And everyone hope for a quick recovery from my "Dishpan Hands" on Friday due to this houses LACK of dishwasher LOL. That's the "sorta" part :)
Regards,
Geoff :)
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Post# 34864-11/27/2003-04:33 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Thanksgiving!! (Well, Sorta)
MESSAGE: And my best wishes to all for a Happy and safe Thanksgiving. This has always been my favorite holiday.. It just seems so relaxed - - much more so than Christmas and for some reason, I never feel the "time pressure" that I do at Christmas.
So what am I thankful for this year? Hmm...this is a tough one. The past four years have been and continue to be unusually difficult - professionally, financially and personally. So, I have learned to be grateful for the little I have left - the friends who help me out when I really need it, the family members who do the same, and for the hope to believe that things will eventually be better. And of course, I am grateful to this Robert and those who make this great club possible. Now off to the kitchen to tackle those candied yams and throw in a few loads before I leave for Massachusetts.
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Post# 34865-11/27/2003-05:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Thanksgiving!! (Well, Sorta)
MESSAGE: Although we don't celibrate it here I want to wish everybody a Happy and Healthy Thanksgiving.
Angus, I hope things will get better for you. This last year hasn't been great for me too personally but I begin to see there is some improvement.
Still I've got a lot to be greatful for. I have lots of friends around me who care for me. We have this wonderful club where we can share our appliances hobby. And besides a lot of other things to be greatful for there are my own appliances, especially the Keymatic! Off to do some laundry.
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Post# 34866-11/27/2003-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Classic Maytag on ebay
MESSAGE: Good 1970s Maytag with a new motor.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3256024537&category=20714
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Post# 34867-11/27/2003-06:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
*LOOK* Copper Kenmore dryer
MESSAGE: CleanteamofNY here's the matching dryer for your washer
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3256372278&category=42232
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Post# 34868-11/27/2003-07:26 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
Happy Thanksgiving Everyone
MESSAGE: I don't post often but read on an almost daily basis. Hope everyone has a great day, eats much, and enjoys their family and friends. And most importantly tomorrow, that you find the appliance you are looking for!
Rich
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Post# 34869-11/27/2003-09:07 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: *LOOK* Copper Kenmore dryer (copper ?)
MESSAGE: (gasp) COPPERTONE? No dear sir, thats Avacodo. and made in 1975 and would match either a 24" "standard capacity" or a 29" belt drive "large capacity" washer.
and I wish it were near me.
Happy Thanks-turkey day.
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Post# 34870-11/27/2003-09:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: *LOOK* Copper Kenmore dryer (copper ? oops)
MESSAGE: Yep you're right. It is Avocado. Even better! It looked copper in the pic but it sho' nuff green... Just the way I like it!
YAY Avocado!
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Post# 34871-11/27/2003-10:01 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
Happy Thanksgiving(..giving God thanks)
MESSAGE: I hope all of you have some place to be this thanksgiving day.
When we really take time to reflect on what is truly important,our friends,family and above all, God who gives us all good things to enjoy. I pray for those who aren't as fortunate as many of us in this country are.Life has it's share of good and bad times...were not gauranteed we won't have pain and affliction,but when you learn to ask the lord for the strength to deal with the daily struggles and burdens he gives you a peace that surpasses all understanding...Yes the lord does love the people he created in his image and
likeness....even when we don't understand why adversity happens when it does. I pray all of you in applianceville have a safe and blessed thanksgiving holiday.
God Bless you all
Pat colacicco
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Post# 34872-11/27/2003-10:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gobble Gobble
MESSAGE: Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
My 1958 Frigidaire range is keeping rising rolls warm, the KDS-18 dishwasher is churning the baking utensils clean and the pink Hotpoint fridge in the garage is chilling wine. Soon I will start a couple of classic washers to get caught up with the busy work week that has now come to an end. Woohoo!!
Have a great day everyone! - Greg
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Post# 34873-11/27/2003-11:05 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Happy Thanksgiving, with much to be greatful for..............
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire Flair range is baking, the GE Frost Guard bottom freezer is chilling, the GE roll out dishwasher is (trying to) wash dishes, and soon the Kenmore Combo will be washing the tablecloths from a happy holiday dinner. Im very greatful for the wonderful appliances I have found this past year and the wonderful friends that I found to go along with them...............
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Post# 34874-11/27/2003-18:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Gobble Gobble
MESSAGE: As I was reading these after loggin g on-I think of those GE and Westinghouse Generators at the power stations running those Tappons,Frigidaires,and Ge fridges!! the power companies LOVE this day!
HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL OF YOU IN APPLIANCEVILLE!! Its Holiday p
pay for me.
I guess I should mention all those GE,Westinghouse,Seimens,Distribution transformers feeding the power from the generators to our neat appliances so we can enjoy them working!!
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Post# 34875-11/27/2003-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 59-64 Frigidaire Multimatic question.. how does it work? (only Frigidaire...)
MESSAGE: Its a VERY CLEVER device-When I used to repair power tools at tool store-Milwaukee Sawzalls had a "wobble plate " sort of mechanism to move the blade.Like the frigidaire washers its mechanism was VERY durable-most repairs involved the motor.Its too bad Frigidaire didn't keep this fascinating and reliable mechansim!! Normally I didn't have much interest in the Frigidaire washer-but after reading entries about them on this site they are interesting to me.This applianceville website is most interesting-its widened my interest in appliances besides vacuum cleaners.I liked the description on this entry as to how the Frigidaire transmission works.
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Post# 34876-11/28/2003-07:09 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save this Dryer! (Sweet~! shipping(# for C&F))
MESSAGE: 1-800-736-3335,
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Post# 34877-11/28/2003-07:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
use of vintage DW's yesterday ??
MESSAGE: Hope everyone had a great day yesterday, I can only assume many vintage app enthusiasts were using vintage dishwashers yesterday like myself, I loaded up my '63 top load Kitchen Aid portable and it did a great job, food stuck on and all, I was suprised at the performance, and you could here the dishes being thrown around, hahaha, buy the forceful water from the cast iron spray arm. I also ran a couple loads through the '49 GE and was VERY surprised at how great they came out, no rinsing, although my folks do have very hot water and being a "manual-no timer" machine, I could run the wash cycle for as long as I wanted which I did for a full fifteen minutes, followed by three five minute rinses, I think the older "impeller" type machines were not as good performers either because of how they were loaded, not hot enough water or most importantly, to SHORT a wash time .......... but the '49 worked GREAT !!
best regards -gregm
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Post# 34878-11/28/2003-08:12 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save this Dryer!
MESSAGE: The biding for this post is close and you may want to ask the seller to repost item and I wish the happy Applianceville member the best of luck on winning!
And I hope everyone's Thanksgiving was a blessed day!
Larry
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Post# 34879-11/28/2003-09:03 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: Today's POD is a real eye-opener...especially for someone fresh from a "turkey coma". Now THAT is my idea of what a laundry room should be, a burst of color. And if I had that garment, I'd wear it to do all my household chores in. Hey, it's slimming, OK?
Happy belated Thanksgiving to one and all. This group is one of the many, many things I am thankful for!
Gobble on!
Mark
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Post# 34880-11/28/2003-13:05 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
T-Day and a funny incident
MESSAGE: Hey,
This was my first T-Day that I have thrown. I thought I would use an old ad from the archives to give you an idea of what is so different from my family and my brothers family, who at first wasn't going to attend. For some reason Jeff found himself and decided to join the family whether his wife and my nieces liked it or not.
(Chad)
Well I woke this morning and I stuffed up the bird, I burned my finger, said a naughty word...I spent six hot hours over the Westinghouse stove, and now I have to serve it to my family in droves.
They ate 16 tons, and what did I get...A full GE dishwasher, and some scraps for my pet, I'd love to get away from the gossip and game, by Im stuck all day with the fam-il-ly pain.
(My brother's wife Virginia)
You don't see us eating any turkey, or stufing at all, were a total vegan family, so Salad for all, we came ov'r to Chad's to give his dinner a try, but the dead bird carcass made me break down and cry.
Yes, my brothers wife, dear lady doesn't like meat of any form, and you can tell this, because my brother dear boy hasn't ate anything of worth or value since 1999, the year he married. This was the last time he came to family get togethers because it makes Virginia sick to see cooked meat.
By an large however, he came over, which suprised all but me; and ate turkey, and stuffing and played with my washers...as his wifey sat and sulked in the family room.
THANK HESUS that I built the damn thing onto my house, because when I have company,worse case is that poopy, sad persons sit in there when their either being ignored or punished for something; and best case they just want to read or have some quiet. She just drank her scotch,and ate the ceaser salad that I served....and actually made gagging noises thru the meal when people would eat their turkey.
My brother, on the other hand; ignored her, made a few off kilter jokes about all of my vacuums. He sat with the family in the liing room as we watched Football, ate like three slices of my pumpkin pie. And this is the uptight gentleman who had said that my collection was stupid in the past....who's eyes lit up when he saw the 79 Frigidaires as he entered my new laundry area.
He asked me to show him how they worked, and looked on like a little boy with his first Lionel train... with the Jet Action agitator going, which reminded him of a time when his wife wasn't a Frigidbitch. He really liked the Westinghouse Laundromat Stackables, and couldn't believe that a early 70's GE Potscrubber washes better than his shiny new GE that he and his wife (picture Fraiser and Lillith) bought in their new $250G's home.
And my 1972 Westinghouse stove, with the light up panel....he diddn't mind standing under my feet (all day seemed like) to tell me how cool MY house is compared to the sanitized, all clean enviorment that he chose to live in with Lillith the Marinated Vegan. She had drank a fifth of scotch by this point.
I can tell you that sometimes , when you think people are happy like that...it always pleases me to see that when they come HOME to what they know (if my house sans the cool appliances, isn't a spittin image of what WE grew up with Jeff and I)...they are thankful that you are different and somewhat bizarre, but very close to what home feels like...
And felt so comfy that he diddn't want to leave yesterday until I made light that it was now 11 pm and that I was about to pass out.
We had to take (i.e. carry Lillith) (actually I believe I said what her real name is)Virginia out ot the car...poor dear she found that eating, and looking like a bunny and drinking too much of scotch, while scoffing at genuinely happy persons; causes persons like this to pass out early, so the rest of us could enjoy our evening.....
And who said that Karma doesn't work well... I prayed for that person to "go to sleep" many times. I finally got my wish.
Happy T-Day to all...
And it's funny that Pearl B. is standing next to the Westinghouses like that. My Aunt Sandra (who has never know happiness either)with her trusty pack of Misty 180 cigarettes standing out by the sliding glass door in the laundry room, standing by the Frigidaires (near the slider door) as she smoked like a chimney, looked almost as suprised as Pearl when she saw the old girls work.
I of course made a HUGE todo out of washing all the cloth Napkins and Tablecloths in the Frigidaires after the meal. No one but my mom,wasn't interested, and everyone was suprised that a GUY actually measured out the detergent, bleach and fabric softner, and placed them in their proper spots. And when they went into final spin about halftime, everyone watched as I threw them into the dryer.
My mom, knowing all of me...just smiled... and went back to her crossword. I kept people occupied with my hobbies, was able to attract my brother to come to our T-Day dinner, no one got sick, or had to eat burned food...my first Thanksgiving in my home ever was such a sucess, and she never had to lift a finger...and guess whos elected to having it again next year...
I wanted to scream....cause I never knew puttin on a spread that big could whoop my butt like that.
Chad.
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Post# 34881-11/28/2003-20:24 ||| Pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
just thought I'd throw my two cents in
MESSAGE: Hi I,m new to the site. My name is Jerry, and I,ve been hitting the website for a few months now, and I am really fascinated with it. You guys have something really neat going here, and like the rest of you, I thought I was the "only one" into old washing machines. I grew up with a '53 Frigidaire Unimatic, then an early 70's 1-18, then an '85 WCI Frigidaire, which of course wasn't so interesting to watch. Now we're with an '85 Maytag, which keeps chugging along. Anyway, I hope all had a great turkey day... ours got cooked on a mid 50's Hotpoint countertop range & Hotpoint wall oven...all original, unrestored, amazing they still work.
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Post# 34882-11/28/2003-20:43 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT:
Extra washing machines acutally come in handy!
MESSAGE: I learned, well a while ago (I was having login problems), that having a collection of washing machines comes in handy! My moms buge huge powerful brand new fancy washing machine( hunk-o-junk) just died! Yesssss!!! So she has to use my Lady Kenmore Portable and my newer (kinda boring) Kenmore Portable. It is so funny that she has to completely rely on them. The Lady Kenmore is just barelly holding up, my moms best friend whom lives with us tried to wash 5 pairs of adult size jeans in it! I found the poor thing stuck between the wash and rinse. I of course "taped it off" until I could give it a further inspection. It seems to be okay, but the timer just lost the Regular Cycle. Now we are stuck with Permanent Press, Delicate, and Prewash.
My 1-18 is safely in my room serving as a very pretty (and just decorated) Chrisymas tree. It is so nice to fall alseep next to! Merry Christmas! (Early, but still its coming, best be prepared!)
Best Washes!
Jamie
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Post# 34883-11/29/2003-02:46 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: just thought I'd throw my two cents in (Welcome)
MESSAGE: SWEET!!! Another Connecticut member :) :) Welcome Welcome. Glad you found us :)
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Post# 34884-11/29/2003-08:24 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay
MESSAGE: Hey guys This 59 KA DW on ebay is my dream machine. I do not know the name of a fair priced mover in NYC that will crate & move this machine to The MI/Canada boarder at a fair price. I have zip codes for both ends . Anything anyone could do to help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. I have not bid on it yet as shipping might make it out of the question. This machine would be my main machine in my kitchen as the brand new KA I have is not worth the powder to blow it up. Michael
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Post# 34885-11/29/2003-08:28 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: just thought I'd throw my two cents in (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Nice to see more members are in the north east
I live in New York westchester co
Welcome to a great club
Peter
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Post# 34886-11/29/2003-08:30 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay
MESSAGE: Sorry guy I do want to step on another members toes. Best of luck on your bidding, I was just informed by email that another member already wants this machine. Michael
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Post# 34887-11/29/2003-10:20 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay (Ebay and Applianceville)
MESSAGE: This situation comes up fairly often, and really is quite complicated. Some members feel that they should never bid against another applianceville member, others feel it is ok. Some have other ebay names, not known to applianceville members, and use that name to bid to save face. There is not an agreement in the club that we all are bound to, and I think we walk a very tight line if we start to rewrite the rules to ebay. It is unrealistic to think everyone will adhere to the same expectations, and creates hard feelings when they do not. If a person doesn't want to bid against another, that is great, but that person shouldn't expect the same behavior as a "standard" when dealing with other club members. Ebay is set up so that the goods go to the highest bidder, and I feel that is fair. I say that even when I lost out on my dream machines to another member, who had a higher bid, and won them fair and square! It works against the seller when bids are held back, and creates alot of tension when surnames are used as a way to disguise the real bidder. I have known several people who had hard feelings as a result of an ebay transaction that had a "secondary" set of rules and expectations attached to it in applianceville. This concludes the sermonette of the day!
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Post# 34888-11/29/2003-15:55 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 59 KA dishwasher, dream machine on ebay (should have said,)
MESSAGE: Sorry, I meant to say sorry I DO NOT want to step on anyones toes, Michael PS someday Ill be in the right place at the right time
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Post# 34889-11/29/2003-16:27 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Ebay bidding/Stepping on Toes
MESSAGE: THANK YOU Don Shire, for such a diplomatic and realistic approach to the complicated subject about ebay bidding. I have bid on ebay, sometimes finding that Im bidding against other appliance club members, and I have often too been bid against. Since I travel often or do not sit at my computer on a regular basis, I often use an automatic bidding service such as Auction Sniper. More than once Ive bid on an item, being the first bidder, but it does not show up until the last seconds of the auction. Sometimes I win and sometimes I dont, it is after all the highest bid that wins. But more than once Ive received a friendly(?) response from the person I outbid, somewhat castigating me for "bidding against them". I have always told the person that if it means that much to you, I will gladly pass the item on to you. There are few if any of us here that deliberately want hard feelings about this. But again, Don (JetAction), you have brought insight to a touchy subject and I thank you for it!!!!!!!! We should all remember that just because you bid on an item first, does not mean that you have sole ownership of it.
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Post# 34890-11/29/2003-16:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Ebay bidding/Stepping on Toes (true capitalism!)
MESSAGE: I too have been outbid on items I thought would be interesting, sometimes by other members of the club and sometimes not. There have been a few times that I've noticed someone bidding on vintage appliance related items and I've emailed them and invited them to this forum or our previous yahoo group. All in the spirit of an auction where the market and demand determines the selling price along with the intentions of actually being a "club" or group of friends, I'm confident that if I were outbid on something I was very interested in that I could easily get a copy or scan of it simply by asking for it from one of the great people here, as I would do for others as well...
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Post# 34891-11/29/2003-21:56 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT:
Launderall & cousin Staber washer
MESSAGE: Both the Staber & Launderall washer have a top loading horizontal cylinder,but the Staber washer has a hexagonal cylinder within a half octagonal outer tub. Look up Staber Industries.
Also the Staber has the motor & cylinder pulleys located in the front instead of usually the rear.
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Post# 34892-11/30/2003-01:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall & cousin Staber washer (Welcome!)
MESSAGE: Howdy and welcome from another Texas-dude!
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Post# 34893-11/30/2003-14:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (Cat's out of the bag)
MESSAGE: This is a DVD you can buy at Best Buy (or Amazon) called The Ed Sullivan Show featuring The Beatles.
The commercial with the Frigidaires is at 22 minutes. Just having that commercial alone is worth the price.
YAY for vintage shows on DVD.
LINK: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000C3I2X/qid=1070223812/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-2394138-7867269?v=glance&s=dvd
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Post# 34894-11/30/2003-14:38 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall & cousin Staber washer
MESSAGE: YAY, another Texan in the group. Yee haw!!! Welcome.
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Post# 34895-11/30/2003-15:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dream Laundromats (There's more!)
MESSAGE: On the first DVD, they play the Cold Water liquid All commercial again in the second show and on the 2nd DVD there's another All commercial featuring a few seconds of a Whirlpool with Surgilator and waterfall filter in action.
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Post# 34896-11/30/2003-18:30 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
Hi to everyone at Applianceville!
MESSAGE: I hope you all had a great Thanksgiving!!
This is my first posting since becoming a member
several weeks ago. I have been visiting this site for months now and really enjoy reading all of the posts here. There is a wealth of information being shared here and I greatly appreciate all those "learned and experienced souls" who contribute.
Having grown up in the '60s/'70s, some of the posts have brought back memories of washday and the sounds of our mid '60s Kelvinator and '70s Whirlpool machines. I look forward to the day when I will be as fortunate as Greg and be able to find a Kelvinator to add to my collection. Congrats to Greg, and I cannot wait to see "Hey Remember" in February.
Keep up the good work y'all and keep on washin'!
Dennis
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Post# 34897-11/30/2003-18:46 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Welcome Mr Maytag
MESSAGE: Welcome to the group, we are so glad to have new members. Sounds like you have a wonderful collection and hope you find more of your dream machines. They are out there! It just takes time.......
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Post# 34898-11/30/2003-21:35 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville! (Hi to everyone at Applianceville)
MESSAGE: Hi Dennis,
Welcome to a Great club - Yes the Kelvinator is one of the most interesting washers.
Peter
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Post# 34899-11/30/2003-22:02 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (I can't wait! When is it?)
MESSAGE: I have got to TiVo this! Do you know when it is on? and what date? I have got to see it! Millions around the world are going to be dicovering the wonderous cycles of Vintage Washing Machines! How awesome is this?!?!
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Post# 34900-11/30/2003-21:02 ||| Pulsator (826 Vesper ,Ann Arbor, Michigan 48103)
SUBJECT:
Save These! Comercial Vintage Whirlpool's! So Popular in vintage ads!
MESSAGE: Save them! Coin-op washer and dryer!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3257559380&category=42233
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Post# 34901-11/30/2003-21:44 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
POD- Poly Clean Centers
MESSAGE: We used to have these Poly-Clean Centers in CT from the mid to late 1960's, and there was one about a mile from my house. Since we had the dependable old Frigidaire, my parents would use the Poly-Clean for self serve dry cleaning machines by RCA Whirlpool. Initially the place was neat and clean, but eventually machines would break down and not be repaired regularly. They had Whirlpool top loaders and front loaders also. I was about 9-10 at the time, so I would go around and check out who was washing what....
So here's a question: Why are today's front load/horizontal axis washers double the price of your standard top loader? Was it always that way? Jerry
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Post# 34902-12/0/2003-23:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD- Poly Clean Centers
MESSAGE: I looked at the CU ratings that came out in 1958-They are listed in the consumer articles link on this website.I shows the Westinghouse and Bendix front load cylinder models priced about the same as the top load machines.
I sort of think why they are priced higher today is because of the "trendiness" of the design.-and for the fact it saves water and energy. Energy savings is nice-but often marketed as "trendy" It is sort of strange the Mechanism of the front loaders is considered simpler than the top loader. You would think they would be even less expensive. I have checked prices on front load machines in my area-and they can be twice as expensive as you have noted.The way they are priced-the energy payback time for me is too long.-not worth the price. If they really want people to conserve on their utilities-the prices of these machines should be lowered-after all the front loader could be considered the oldest washer design!!
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Post# 34903-12/1/2003-00:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville! (MrMaytag's Kelvy)
MESSAGE: Hey there MrMaytag, and welcome.
My grandmother had a 1960s Kelvy for a short while. It was given to her by neighbors, and had an electrical short that we never could get fixed -- it had a screw-in fuse that kept blowing. This must have been a TOL model, or nearly so, as it had fluorescent lighting and all the options. If you look in the "Vintage Appliance Videos" section, there's a short clip of it, although not much of the machine is shown. We eventually trashed the machine, such a tragedy!
Anyway, please spill all the details you can recall about yours!
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Post# 34904-12/1/2003-01:04 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save These! Comercial Vintage Whirlpool's! So Popular in vintage ads! (Surgilating welcome to the new member)
MESSAGE: If we take note of the Poly Clean (POD) it is the same machines that is on eBay!
And I like welcome to all the new members who finally came out to wash a load of clothes with us!
We welcome you with good Tide and Cheer with a Bounce!
Clnteam
Larry
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Post# 34905-12/1/2003-08:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville!
MESSAGE: Good to have you here and another Kelvinator fan too! Have you seen the pics of some of the older ABC machines some of the members have? They are such neat machines, Jimmy and I found two washers and a dryer last fall on a hunting adventure in Iowa. Like he said, there are more out there for sure, just takes some hunting around. GregM, another member here, has made some amazing finds in the last few months by being persistent and talking to lots of people to watch for things for him.
The "Member Links" section has links to lots of pictures of all the members and a few of our conventions as well.
Welcome and enjoy the forum...
Greg
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Post# 34906-12/1/2003-09:44 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
interesting POD
MESSAGE: I've seen stoves like this that have a "warming shelf" but I've never seen washer/dryers like this. In the ad it says coming soon, I'm wondering if these models were made?
You could tell they were Frigidaire before even reading the ad.
(Why do I love that Avacodo color so?)
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Post# 34907-12/1/2003-12:15 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: interesting POD
MESSAGE: I drool every time that Bob runs this POD. (You're right they scream Frigidaire. LOL. I love that look.) I too wonder if they were ever made. I would imagine that they'd have to be deeper (to accomodate the storage cabinet) then your normal washer and dryer.
Tappan made the stoves with the warming shelf. I have a couple of friends who had one. One friend had a electric model. That one was sold when he sold his first house. My other friends had a gas model. They got rid of it when they remodeled their kitchen.
Avocado is one of my two all time appliance colors. (The other is turquoise, but I digress.) My parents had an avocado kitchen (except for the dishwasher, which was white). They even had a green phone. Sadly, the avocado stove and fridge (which also screamed 1970's Frigidaire, LOL) are long gone. :(
Mike
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Post# 34908-12/1/2003-12:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: interesting POD (Oh yeah...they were made)
MESSAGE: There were introduced in 1968 and lasted about a year in the Frigidaire line until the change to the 1-18 washers and dryers. No clue on how popular they were, but Don (jetaction) and I saw one of these dryers (in green!) at an appliance shop in Toledo, OH this last September. It was being used as a filing cabinet of sorts and had a TV on top - worked quite nicely actually. They weren't much deeper than a normal washer and dryer as the storage cabinet was installed where the control panel would have been, the storage wasn't all that deep, but it did give a little room for bottles, etc. The left side of the washer cabinet had dispenser holes for bleach and fabric softener and storage on the right side.
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Post# 34909-12/1/2003-15:49 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: Can you imagine sitting underneath that machine reading a book with the stained glass lamp and the Frigidaire above you washing away? What a headache!!!
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Post# 34910-12/1/2003-16:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (POD!)
MESSAGE: It wouldnt give me a headache
I would be up their watching it wash away
I would never choose to read when I could be getting some jetaction
Peter
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Post# 34911-12/1/2003-17:08 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hi to everyone at Applianceville! (welcome Dennis)
MESSAGE: Welcome and hope you enjoy the club as well as there are alot of great people out here with a wealth of knowledge who are always willing to help .......... best regards, gregm
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Post# 34912-12/1/2003-18:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Interesting Part...
MESSAGE: Here is a Westinghouse part - he thinks it might be for a combo, the WD1 (first) combo used a similar scale/water level switch inside the door like this, but I have no part info on the combos to verify the part number listed which also begins with "Z" - different than most Westy numbers that began with "Q"
Interesting...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3257397738
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Post# 34913-12/1/2003-19:41 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
Down Memory Lane with the Kelvy (Reply to DADoES)
MESSAGE: To respond to DADoES request to share my memories about this machine, here it goes. I remember that we purchased our new Kelvy, after having to retire an old 50's model Maytag wringer, due to excessive oil leaks. The bit that I can remember about it was that strange shaped bluish green agitator with all the holes, with the detachable lint filter that never, ever had any lint in it when it was used. I never had the opportunity to look at the workings on the inside, except through the small crack between the upper and lower front panels. As a kid, I would shine a flashlight through there while it ran and would watch the action going on. I tried watching what was going on in the tub, by cracking the lid, but, as you guessed it, all operations would cease upon lifting the lid even the slightest bit. (I'm much older and wiser now where I know how to circumvent the lid switch to see what's happening inside. Ha! Ha!) Cosmetically, I recall the machine had a high speed spin switch on the right under the control dial and square plastic push buttons for wash/rinse temperatures that were different colors, red for hot, white ? for warm and blue ? for cold. Our machine had no window in the lid. The most vivid memory that I have of this machine was the sound of the overflow rinse and the sound of the water being "slung" from the inner tub at the beginning of the final spin.
About 2 or 3 years after we got our machine, it developed a leak (my guess in the tub cover seal). We had several repair people look at it, but it never was fixed. So we scrapped it in 1970 for a sleek new Whirlpool 14 lb model.
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Post# 34914-12/1/2003-19:53 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT:
5 laundry appliances at my home
MESSAGE: I have five laundry appliances at my home,I believe 80's & 90's.
Two Whirly dryers,one gas,one electric one or both AccuDry models,a Maytag with sliding water level control, & one Lady K.
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Post# 34915-12/1/2003-20:40 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: interesting POD (Oh yeah...they were made)
MESSAGE: the dispensers on the left cabinet were for LIQUID DETERGENT and fabric softner not bleach.the bleach and dye dispenser was inside the deep action agitator.A similar model,WXP was introduced in 1966 without the cabinet.The matching dryer,DXP was introduced and had the dispenser for water to pre sprinkle clothes for ironing.
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Post# 34916-12/1/2003-23:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (POD!)
MESSAGE: It Would be more interesting to watch the "jetaction" going then sitting there reading. VERY interesting cabinets on both machines. Would be so helpful in laundry rooms that don't have cabinets!-OH-how do they get those machines up the ladderlike steps into the loft-??
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Post# 34917-12/2/2003-01:47 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances
MESSAGE: "THE LUSTRON HOME:
Carl Strandlund's post WWII, porcelain enamel on steel, all-metal, prefabricated house. In production from 1947-1950. Approximately 2500 Lustrons were built in the United States. "
LINK: http://members.tripod.com/~Strandlund/
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Post# 34918-12/2/2003-01:53 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Lustron Q&A Brochure from 1948)
MESSAGE: "And in every Lustron kitchen - a part of the Lustron "package" at no extra cost - is a combination dishwasher-clotheswasher of the latest type. It not only cuts your dishwashing time to a few minutes a meal, but it also converts quickly and easily to wash, rinse, and damp dry the family laundry on washday."
Sorry, no pictures of the combo dishwasher-clotheswasher unit, but check out the house!
LINK: http://members.tripod.com/~Strandlund/index-21.html
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Post# 34919-12/2/2003-06:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Beginning of baby boom)
MESSAGE: Yep. That's the start of what I call the "golden era". The baby boom. Prefab houses. The folk song "Little Boxes" by Pete Seeger is all about that.
Little boxes on the hillside
little boxes made of ticky-tacky
little boxes little boxes
and they're all made just the same
That's about the time the first automatic washers came out.Pretty neat to see those cool homes.
... and then the Beatles arrived.
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Post# 34920-12/2/2003-08:02 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Beginning of baby boom)
MESSAGE: Unlike the stick-built homes, most of the Lustron homes still have their original porcelain-coated exterior finish after over 50 years, just like a washer tub.
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Post# 34921-12/2/2003-08:06 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (Combo sink/clothes washer/dishwasher ID?)
MESSAGE: There is a line drawing photo of the optional combo sink/clothes washer/dishwasher at this link. Anyone know more about it? Apparently it didn't work very well for dishes or clothes, and few if any survive.
LINK: http://www.raydennis.com/update/2003aug.html
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Post# 34922-12/2/2003-08:19 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances
MESSAGE: There are several of these homes in Albany, and I pass them on my way to work....somewhere, I have a magazine article from "House & Home" builders magazine about them.... SteveD
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Post# 34923-12/2/2003-18:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances (It's Automagic !)
MESSAGE: The dish/clothes washer could have been this...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Automagic+Sink+1.jpg
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Post# 34924-12/2/2003-23:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Lustron homes - perfect for classic appliances
MESSAGE: In looking at the links on these homes-sounds great-I would
like to have one-or 2 since the home I am in now is 2000 sq ft.Those porcelain steel walls could have MANY uses--instead of the adhesive as suggested in the link-how bout a magnet.You could hold up paper,cloth,plastic items on the wall this way.If you have kids--those walls would make great dry erase marker boards for them to draw on. Give them the dry erase board markers. When they are done you could wipe the marks off with the damp rag or a dry erase board eraser.Some dry erase boards sold today have porcelain steel surfaces.If you get tired of looking at the color of the wall-how bout putting wallpaper on it held up with magnets!!! Interesting.
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Post# 34925-12/3/2003-00:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Bow before Her Majesty...
MESSAGE: ...or curtsy, as appropriate!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Montgomery+Ward&.dnm=Dsc00030.jpg
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Post# 34926-12/3/2003-06:16 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (Yahoo photos)
MESSAGE: Thank you! BTW, I wanted to bow, but in order to do it correctly I wanted to do it for the full sized picture, but that isn't displayed anymore. I noticed the same with my own album. And also that the downloaded pictures are the small ones too. I'm not amused by this, anyone else noticed this?
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Post# 34927-12/3/2003-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (Yahoo photos)
MESSAGE: I did notice the yahoo photos debacle, I do get the full size version when downloaded, but I'm still unamused - especially since I pay for the service! I may have to investigate other hosting services soon...
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Post# 34928-12/3/2003-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bow before Her Majesty...
MESSAGE: New find Greg? Gotta love that coppertone, those colors are so much more rare now than when I first started washer hunting 8 years ago!
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Post# 34929-12/3/2003-13:51 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
Need Refrigerator Help...............
MESSAGE: Hello and Happy Holidays to all of my friends here at "Classic Appliances", also known to me as "Applianceville".
I have a problem with my 20 year old Sears Kenmore Refrigerator, and I am relying on my friends here for help, before I throw in the towel and potentially get me a new icebox.
The problem I am having with my existing one is that the evaporator fan is excessively noisey when it is running for long periods at the time, and the compressor cycles on and off excessively, causing the lights in my apartment to blink heavily. I have already determined that the problem lies in the evaporator fan and motor assembly. What should I do. Repair that area only, or consider getting a new fridge??? The repair may cost about $150.00+, but a new fridge will cost about $600.00+.
What to do, repair the existing one, or get a new one.
Thanks in advance for your help.............
--Charles--
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Post# 34930-12/3/2003-13:51 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
Need Refrigerator Help...............
MESSAGE: Hello and Happy Holidays to all of my friends here at "Classic Appliances", also known to me as "Applianceville".
I have a problem with my 20 year old Sears Kenmore Refrigerator, and I am relying on my friends here for help, before I throw in the towel and potentially get me a new icebox.
The problem I am having with my existing one is that the evaporator fan is excessively noisey when it is running for long periods at the time, and the compressor cycles on and off excessively, causing the lights in my apartment to blink heavily. I have already determined that the problem lies in the evaporator fan and motor assembly. What should I do. Repair that area only, or consider getting a new fridge??? The repair may cost about $150.00+, but a new fridge will cost about $600.00+.
What to do, repair the existing one, or get a new one.
Thanks in advance for your help.............
--Charles--
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Post# 34931-12/3/2003-14:20 ||| washerlover (northern California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (Coppertone)
MESSAGE: You're right about finding coppertone appliances. I'm lucky to have my 1974 coppertone Frigidaire twin washer & dryter that are still going strong!
And by the way, "her majesty" is beautiful! We had a white BOL 1974 Signature washer when I was a kid; quite noisy but love that lint filter technology!
Todd
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Post# 34932-12/3/2003-17:01 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Refrigerator Help...............
MESSAGE: The repair might be worth is if you can do it yourself, but I don't see why a noisy evaporator fan would cause the compressor to short cycle.
Does it have a condenser fan with the condenser coils in the bottom? If so, make sure the coils are vacuumed clean and the condenser fan is running and the cardboard back cover is properly in place.
Sometimes you can disassemble an evaporator fan motor, clean it, oil it, and put it back in. My favorite repairs and the ones that cost nothing.
Ken D.
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Post# 34933-12/3/2003-21:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bow before Her Majesty...
MESSAGE: New last night, couldn't leave it behind, Her Majesty was shivering in the cold, cold rain. Valiant effort, but under that pretty face lurks a monster...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Montgomery+Ward&.dnm=Dsc00039.jpg
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Post# 34934-12/3/2003-21:14 ||| i70sn80sguy (wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bow before Her Majesty... (montgomery wards)
MESSAGE: Nice ! How thoughtful to take the pics and show us all. And that matching avacodo SET. And it works too.
I've never seen Montgomery Wards before . Judging by the dryer door and handle were these made by Westinghouse?
I know I said I would share pics from the Sears catalogs. I did buy a scanner 2 weeks ago. I have been so busy because 4 weeks ago I moved and am still getting unpacked and all that. But I haven't forgot.
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Post# 34935-12/3/2003-23:36 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip
MESSAGE: Hi club members, I just got back from appliance hunting in Edmonton which is about a 14 hr drive from where I live. After going through the usual recycling places, I found a cool old appliance shop called Wash-o-matic run by a man in his 70's. He's been in business over 30 yrs. He used to only deal in Speed Queen but lately has been fixing up and selling other brands as he "doesn't get that many in anymore" he said (!!!!!) He was quite the packrat, and his shop was full of washer and dryer parts and loads of agitators. Although he didn't have any solenoid SQ washers, he did have a machine I eventually bought from him. It had been sitting in a corner at the back with piles of parts on top of it for 20 years he said. In fact, I couldn't even get near it, it was so boxed in. All I saw was the back of the control panel and I knew she was coming home with me. I won't tell you what it is, but here's the link to a picture of what I saw. See if you can guess what I found. My other find that I took home may not surprise some of you, I will reveal the other prize later..... check out the whole album to see what else he had in that unique shop of his.
Eddy
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/Edmonton+hunting+trip&.dnm=guess+what+i+found.jpg
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Post# 34936-12/4/2003-01:10 ||| sudsydude (Iowa)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Body parts
MESSAGE: I have a few body parts from some Westinghouse slant-front dryers. Sadly...the rest of the machines were disposed of....long, painful and boring story. One of the tops is like the L110, with the glass light panel on it. I also have the chrome and pink "control panel" from a Philco-Bendix dryer as well. If anyone is interested, let me know and I will take pics and post them somewhere or email them. There are also a couple of lower panels and back panels. These are ALL from dryers though, including one reducer pulley from a Westinhouse. Gosh...those old machines were SO quiet when they ran right. But for those who do NOT know...if you are restroing or playing with one of those mahcines...do be aware that they have ASBESTOS in them...around the air input and also inside the heater box. When i first got one of those machines and turned it on...a nice blast of asbestos fibers blew in to the drum...all over the clothes and in my face. I made myself a test victim without even realizing it. Anyway...be CAREFUL. Oh yeah...almost forgot, location: Iowa.
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Post# 34937-12/4/2003-01:14 ||| sudsydude (Iowa)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse body parts...
MESSAGE: oops....email: goododdstuff@hotmail.com. That is also my ebay handle...sometimes I have some fun stuff for sale...like old vacs, etc. I am tempted to sell my 1949 (stamped on the tranny!) Kenmore washer...the round tub unit that has to be bolted to the floor and has only a drop-on lid that you can remove while it is spinning! But I have no idea how much to even think of asking for it...and I have not even tried to restore it yet.
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Post# 34938-12/4/2003-07:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, I clicked on your link and got this message .......... "The File You Are Looking For Is Inaccessible." .............. congrads on finding what seems like a cool place ......... best regards -gregm
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Post# 34939-12/4/2003-09:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: A So Cal collector is going to liquidate his Frigidaire collection next week. He has asked me to post a listing of the items to see if anyone is interested in anything or needs some parts off of an item. Here is his message to me. You can contact him directly at his email address:
From: Gsbsna@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 00:51:40 EST
Subject: Frigidaire misc. in Garage
To: golittlesport@yahoo.com
Rich: Here's a list of the items that are on their way out...perhaps you may
know if someone has any interest for parts or the entire appliance. My plan
is to have them picked up next Thursday, December 11. I would like to get
some reimbursement for the "nicer" pieces, but anyone interested will be
welcomed. Thanks for your help, and talk to you soon!
1.) 1968 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe Electric Dryer (DCDN?), Harvest Gold, nice
condition, works great.
2.) 1974(?) Frigidaire Crown 1-18 Washer, Snowcrest White, OK condition,
does not work.
3.) 1968(?) Frigidaire Built-In Custom Imperial Double Oven, Aztec Copper,
good condition, works.
4.) 1968(?) Frigidaire Deluxe Cooktop, Aztec Copper, good condition, works.
5.) 1963 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Dishmobile, Mayfair Pink, good
condition, works.
6.) 1962 Frigidaire Imperial Frost-Proof, FPI-13B-62, Sunny Yellow.
7.) 1956 Frigidaire Imperial Wall Oven with French Doors, Mayfair Pink, OK
condition.
8.) 1956(?) G. E. Wall Refrigerator, Yellow, fair condition.
9.) 1956 Frigidaire Imperial Cold-Pantry Single Door, white.
10.) 1966 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Electric Dryer, Aztec Copper, OK
condition.
11.) 1960 Frigidaire Custom Imperial Flair 40" Range, Mayfair Pink.
12.) 1959 Frigidaire Imperial Fold Back Surface Units, fair condition.
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Post# 34940-12/4/2003-10:14 ||| Bestnest (los angeles)
SUBJECT:
NEED someone to service an IRONRITE
MESSAGE: Hi
Does anyone know where I can get my ironrite mangle iron serviced in Los Angeles?
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Post# 34941-12/4/2003-10:43 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: NEED someone to service an IRONRITE
MESSAGE: You may want to start from here, but it maybe hard to find a dealer who fixes them near you!
LINK: http://ironrite.web.aplus.net/
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Post# 34942-12/4/2003-11:04 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: Sorry about that, it should be working now.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/Edmonton+hunting+trip&.dnm=guess+what+i+found.jpg
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Post# 34943-12/4/2003-12:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: How exciting Eddy!!! I can see what you found, although I can't exactly tell the year. Can't wait to see some more pictures of that beauty.
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Post# 34944-12/4/2003-13:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (I wonder...)
MESSAGE: I have 3 guesses, and I hope it's the most fun one of the three...
Kelvinator!!!
-ph
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Post# 34945-12/4/2003-13:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (I wonder...)
MESSAGE: Did the Kelvinators come in pink? I think I see a pink washer here. Could it be a Maytag?
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Post# 34946-12/4/2003-14:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: "Have them picked up..." Does this mean he might send them to the Krusher? That would be a shame, there are some nice things there!
How is your dryer Rich? Did you get it home?
Greg
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Post# 34947-12/4/2003-14:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: Is this a solid tub washer? 14 hours over the Rocky Mountains in the snow was well worth the trip!
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Post# 34948-12/4/2003-15:09 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: Yes...they are going to be hauled away! So if you need any pieces of of any of these things, give him a shout. The dryer is coming this weekend. I will post a picture soon. My first full-sized vintage appliance!! Yay!
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Post# 34949-12/4/2003-16:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire liquidation
MESSAGE: YAY!!!!! I knew that dryer was meant for you!! Congratulations!!!
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Post# 34950-12/4/2003-18:05 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (Edmonton trip)
MESSAGE: It is a solid tub, Greg. And Louis, it's your favorite color!
That was a very good guess Peter, but not a Kelvinator. I should be changing my wallpaper, but I won't give it away yet.
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Post# 34951-12/4/2003-18:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: Late 50s pink GE?
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Post# 34952-12/4/2003-19:41 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: I say GE also. It looks to be the same as my 59' GE console.
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Post# 34953-12/4/2003-20:18 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: I agree with Bruce, it looks like a 1957 to 1961 GE filteflo.
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Post# 34954-12/4/2003-20:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: So it's probly the one with the numbered buttons and the multi-colored dial :-)
Cool.
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Post# 34955-12/4/2003-21:18 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire liquidation (Oh My!!!!)
MESSAGE: I sure would hate to see the Dishmobile go to the Krusher.... is he willing to part it out and ship anything?? Can I email him directly?? SteveD
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Post# 34956-12/4/2003-22:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (link not working ?)
MESSAGE: great photos Eddy, thanks for sharing, what a COOL place !!!!
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Post# 34957-12/5/2003-00:19 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: You are right on, Jason. It's a 1958 pink solid tub GE.
Here's a link to a couple of pictures. I just unloaded it off my pickup and brought her to her new home.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/GE&.dnm=58+GE+019.jpg
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Post# 34958-12/5/2003-00:22 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
The other machine
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the other washer I brought home. OK, I'll tell you right away. It's a 1967 solenoid Speed Queen middle of the line. Take a look.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/eddy1210/detail?.dir=/Speed+Queen&.dnm=solenoid+67+SQ.jpg
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Post# 34959-12/5/2003-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (They're beautiful!)
MESSAGE: At the 2002 convention in DC, I got to play with a 59 GE and a solenoid SQ just like in your pic.
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Post# 34960-12/5/2003-07:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: Eddy, she is a beauty !!! congrads .......... wow ........
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Post# 34961-12/5/2003-07:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (padded console ??)
MESSAGE: very nice, Eddy, does the Speed Queen in the previous picture (#12 of 13) have what appears to be a vinyl or leather padded console ? I have NEVER seen anything like that .........
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Post# 34962-12/5/2003-07:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (Incredible!)
MESSAGE: Eddy, those machines are terrific! They both look to be in such nice shape - have you tested them?
Congratulations on your great finds - good hunting pays off!
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Post# 34963-12/5/2003-08:02 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
58' GE
MESSAGE: WOW.... She does look great!. Brings back alot of memories when my grandmother had one. I thought it was so cool with the light and the sounds it made. I used to peak under the lid to see it wash but Nana would come by and say "Don't Touch". Oh well, I have a 59' now and have been able to play alot with it. Same machine except the dial has colored sections on it to match the keys colors.
Good luck with it.
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Post# 34964-12/5/2003-08:33 ||| Peterh770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: I was hoping against the GE and for the Kelvinator, but a wonderful machine nonetheless! Is she washworthy? The SQ looks in great shape also. Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 34965-12/5/2003-09:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine
MESSAGE: Congratulations on both machines. I like the color of the GE!! But about the Speed Queen I have only one thing to say: Wrap it up and send it over!!!!
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Post# 34966-12/5/2003-12:14 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (padded console ??)
MESSAGE: Yes, Greg isn't that wild? I got that one for $40 at a thrift shop, all it needed was a drain hose and it runs perfectly.
I'm so excited about the GE, I thank everyone for your kind remarks. Part of the thrill of finding an appliance like this is sharing it with people who appreciate it.
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Post# 34967-12/5/2003-16:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (padded console ??)
MESSAGE: Is the filter pan missing?
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Post# 34968-12/5/2003-17:02 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy
What a great shop !! Did you pick up the GE wringer washer, looks a great machine, and in such fine condition ?
Keith
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Post# 34969-12/5/2003-18:02 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (GE wringer)
MESSAGE: No Keith unfortunately not, I didn't have room otherwise I would have. My friend in Edmonton was intrigued by it and is thinking of going to get it. He wants $300 for it, though.
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Post# 34970-12/5/2003-18:05 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (filter pan)
MESSAGE: No Greg, I do have the copper filter pan but I'm wondering how it stays in place. It sits loosely on the filter mount on the agitator and wobbles around easily. Do you think it's supposed to be like that or could there be something missing?
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Post# 34971-12/5/2003-22:08 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (Santa came early!)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, It looks like Santa came early this year for you! Congratulations on the great finds. Thanks so much for sharing the neat pictures with us. Boy that shop looks like it would be a fun place to explore. I agree too that the GE Wringer is really neat! I have never seen a GE wringer machine before. Have fun with your new treasures. Terry
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Post# 34972-12/5/2003-22:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (filter pan)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, those early GE filter pan mounts became worn after many years of service causing the filter pan to slip and wobble.
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Post# 34973-12/5/2003-23:33 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (Eddy's SQ's)
MESSAGE: Eddy1210 are the tubs in your nice collection of Sq's different sizes? Nice machines would really enjoy even more pics. Thankyou for sharing your great pics. alr2903
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Post# 34974-12/6/2003-00:14 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (Eddy's SQ's)
MESSAGE: All of my SQ's have the standard size tub, even my reversing motor machines. Glad you like the pictures! I will add more to my Speed Queen album soon. I'm working on a model A49 and when that's done I will post more pictures of her.
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Post# 34975-12/6/2003-04:54 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: The other machine (padded console ??)
MESSAGE: Eddy - what beautiful machines!! I am speechless - congratulations on the great finds!!!!
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Post# 34976-12/6/2003-07:08 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (GE wringer)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy,
an, I have just had another look at the GE machine, and it super !!
I would pay $300, but it is the shipping to the UK which pushes up the price..Luv your collection s well !!
Thanx
Keith
LINK: http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/shaunandkeith
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Post# 34977-12/6/2003-10:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (GE wringer)
MESSAGE: Hi Keith, thanks for the link to your pictures. Wonderful collection you have there. I wasn't aware that you had a Thor washer! While the British version looks ever so slightly different than the American vesion, the mechanics look the same. Does you Thor work?
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Post# 34978-12/6/2003-15:47 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (It's a GE)
MESSAGE: Eddy
This is a real nice GE
Best of luck with it
Peter
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Post# 34979-12/6/2003-15:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (Collection!)
MESSAGE: Hi Keith,
You have a real nice collection. I love to check out the differences between our washers and UK types. Was that Parnel fully automatic - It seems like a real interesting washer.
Peter
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Post# 34980-12/7/2003-08:01 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
FRIGIDAIRE Dishmobile(Custom Deluxe 1974)
MESSAGE: www.ebay.com/Frigidaire has a beautiful FRIGIDAIRE Custom Deluxe Super Surge Dishmobile convertable dishwasher in white for sale.#3259130005
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Post# 34981-12/7/2003-08:02 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
FRIGIDAIRE Dishmobile(Custom Deluxe 1974)
MESSAGE: www.ebay.com/Frigidaire has a beautiful FRIGIDAIRE Custom Deluxe Super Surge Dishmobile convertable dishwasher in white for sale.#3259130005
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Post# 34982-12/7/2003-08:11 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT:
RE: Edmonton, Alberta hunting trip (Collection!)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter,
Thanx for the compliments. The Parnall washer you mention is the 1964 "Spiwasher", by the way Parnall were a division of the Thor - Hurley group.
That machine is a semi-automatic, you fill it up and do the washing in the normal conventional way, then spin off the sudsy water, take out the washing, then put the next load in, upon turning the dial to wash, the machine pumps the water back up from the tank below, and washes the next load in the normal way, after that is finished, you then can do an "overflow" rinse..then spin, this complete operation is decided by the operator, ie: lenght of the wash, & the temperature. The machine is basically the the same as the old Thor Automagic, which we had over hear as well.
Thanx again
Keith
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Post# 34983-12/7/2003-22:09 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT:
classic applianes seen on Price is Right
MESSAGE: Has anyone seen any classic models & brands of appliances on Price is Right?
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Post# 34984-12/7/2003-22:50 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: Hi friends,
Woohoo! I am now the proud owner of that 1955 Frigidaire Imperial Filtrator dryer that was on Ebay. It is mint! (Or should I say Sherwood Green?) Well, it is in mint condition and is mint green. It runs great and the porcelain shines like new. I took some photos and in one you can see the control panel reflected in the porcelain cabinet top...it is that shiny. My mom had this exact dryer when I was a little boy. Imagine...I used to be small enough to climb through that little loading port and sit in the drum. My grandmother also had this dryer...along with the matching washer. Now to find a 1955 Imperial Unimatic washer in Sherwood Green to complete the set! OK...a washer in ANY color! LOL! Check out my baby....
Rich
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/detail?.dir=/1955+Filtrator&.dnm=dryer+005.jpg
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Post# 34985-12/7/2003-23:50 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: Gorgeous machine! The two of you make a great couple! ;-)
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Post# 34986-12/8/2003-00:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: That is a pretty cool machine. Literally a "cool" cabinet color.As very little kids-during a game of "hide-en-seek" my brother hid in the dryer.-I turned it on and counted him out. He didn't think it was very funny. I SURE didn't hide in the dryer after that.It is unbeleivable as adults that at one time you could fit in there.I guess now you HAVE to have the matching washer-Good luck!!
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Post# 34987-12/8/2003-01:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Frigidaire over current switches)
MESSAGE: Yes, they were on the control panels
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Post# 34988-12/8/2003-01:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher)
MESSAGE: As I've mentioned before, my Grandmother had a '63 spin tube Frigidaire dishwasher, and you're right, it wasn't very good. I attribute this mostly to the short wash cycles. Dish loading is also critical, but hers had a demonstration diagram built into the inside of the door on how to load the dishes.
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Post# 34989-12/8/2003-01:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher light years ahead of GE)
MESSAGE: Not by many years ahead, trust me!
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Post# 34990-12/8/2003-01:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: Congratulations Rich, I'm very happy for you, I knew this one was meant for you. I see the dryer is accompanied by some other vintage beauties. Good luck in finding a Unimatic washer.
Louis
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Post# 34991-12/8/2003-01:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses)
MESSAGE: That's why when I buy glasses and cups/mugs I make sure they are "dishwasher friendly", one of the prime things being that they don't have concave bottoms for water and food particles to get caught in.
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Post# 34992-12/8/2003-01:51 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Early Xmas Present
MESSAGE: Yeah Rich,
Im so happy for you! You finally got the first half to your set. I talked with Gary and Im getting a few things from him too! Will being seeing you both at the end of January. Feel like helping me move and load a GE wall refrigerator? Ha.
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Post# 34993-12/8/2003-01:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Signature dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Actually, Sears dishwashers are supplied by GE and WP these days.
Godo question though, I'm curious about Wards dishwashers from the old days. I had a Wards from the 80's that appeared to be a Frigidaire design. Replaced it with my '78 LK because it didn't clean as well on it's Heavy cycle as the Sears (D & M design)did on its light "Water Miser" cycle.
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Post# 34994-12/8/2003-01:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (61 spin tube dishwasher , just need more practice loading it I guess)
MESSAGE: Pretty simple, you just have to remember that items must face the spray tube, unlike most dishwashers where items must face down toward the impeller or spray arm. The tricky part with some items is to get them to angle toward the spray tube, but still be at an angle where water can drain out of the item. Also more critical that small items don't get placed behind large ones
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Post# 34995-12/8/2003-02:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1956 Amana freezer (scrapping freezer)
MESSAGE: Why would you consider scrapping it if it works?
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Post# 34996-12/8/2003-03:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD- Poly Clean Centers (TL vs FL cost)
MESSAGE: It's the old law of Supply & Demand. I suspect FL's will get cheaper as they get popular again.
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Post# 34997-12/8/2003-06:37 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (Just Beautiful)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, I am so happy for you. That is a beautiful dryer. I love the Sherwood Green color. Do you plan to use it at home? Have fun! There has to be a matching washer out there and now to find it!!
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Post# 34998-12/8/2003-07:54 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Looks like someone took very good care of that dryer. (I think that Sherwood Green is my new favorite appliance color, butI digress.) Congratulations. :-) Have fun using it.
Mike
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Post# 34999-12/8/2003-08:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (Wonderful!!!)
MESSAGE: Fantastic Rich! Good for you, I'm glad to see you with the first half of your dream pair!
Thanks for the pics - Greg
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Post# 35000-12/8/2003-09:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: Congrats, Rich! That is truly a beautiful machine, and you must have a great camera, because the pics make it look soooo handsome! Will we get another pic of you cleaning the filtrator head first in the drum? ;)
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Post# 35001-12/8/2003-10:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: Hey Rich,
Good for you, that thing looks NEW !! ............. congrads :)
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Post# 35002-12/8/2003-10:55 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: I love the color, Rich! Congratulations!
Eddy
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Post# 35003-12/8/2003-11:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (My early Xmas present )
MESSAGE: Real cool Christmas present
Best Of Luck
Peter
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Post# 35004-12/8/2003-12:18 ||| Sassy (oklahoma)
SUBJECT:
antique fridge
MESSAGE: How would I find more information on an antique refridgerator?
I have a Crosley Shelvador refriderator that I would like to find the value of.
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Post# 35005-12/8/2003-15:02 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD (Signature dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Sears dishwashers are also supplied by Electrolux and I have one in my new house, what a piece of junk! Unfortunately, it came with the house, but as soon as I can replace it, it's gone!
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Post# 35006-12/8/2003-15:04 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: Congratulations, it looks great. Rich
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Post# 35007-12/8/2003-17:50 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
pod (hotpoint electric sink)
MESSAGE: I grew up in a house with one of these. What memories this brought back. (It was a great dish sanitizer, but didn't wash very well. Noisy, too.)
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Post# 35008-12/8/2003-19:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sneak Preview (Frigidaire over current switches)
MESSAGE: With all the new safety requirements in the workplace and for household products I'm surprized auto reset motor OL's are still with us.While looking thru the "appliances wanted" section I saw the manual reset motor ol reset on the machines control panel.I beleive other older machines had manual resets like this. You would think with newer safety requirements and liability laws-the manual OL resets aren't making a strong comeback.I think they are a good idea with machines with moving parts within reach of the user,or machines with sharp cutting blades.
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Post# 35009-12/8/2003-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: classic applianes seen on Price is Right
MESSAGE: this would be interesting-I remember watching that show as a kid-and all those "gag" prizes!!I remember someone winning one of those "Horsehead" oilwell pumps.-It even had the motor!!I guess for now all we can do is wait and see if one of the video companies release them on DVD.I'm now looking for the Ed Sullivan show episodes-esp the Beatles one-so I can enjoy those vintage appliance commercials.
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Post# 35010-12/8/2003-19:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD- Poly Clean Centers (TL vs FL cost)
MESSAGE: If I absolutely have to buy one-I'll look for a vintage Westinghouse "laundromat" instead of the overpriced new ones.I still thiunk it will be a very long time before that will be necessary in my area.I've found other people in this area feel the same way.-those new FL's are just to grossely overpriced.For the price of the Maytag Neptune washer alone-you could get a washer-dryer pair of other types.Same for the Calypso machine. Those are starting to be "hawked" around here.The nice thing is older appliances cost less here-just have to visit the used appliance stores and thrift stores.There was once a antique mall here but it got washed away by the Floyd Food. One of the "stores there had a 1920's vintage Maytag wringer washer. I can't remember the price on it. Should of bought it!! Its long gone now. Also there was a place that sold old vacuum cleaners out there-He got hit by the flood also. He now runs one of the places that sells older washers-dryers and fridges.
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Post# 35011-12/8/2003-19:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1956 Amana freezer (scrapping freezer)
MESSAGE: I would keep it and use it. Scrapping it would actually be harder on the environment.
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Post# 35012-12/8/2003-19:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses)
MESSAGE: I confess!! I rinse off my dishes before loading to avoid this-also I run my machine only once per day.I don't like the food waste festering in the machine! Also the pump system in mine doesn't handle the food waste that well. You get that dreaded above problem.Mines a New WP built Kicheniad model. I am looking for a vintage KA to replace it.
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Post# 35013-12/8/2003-20:29 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: classic applianes seen on Price is Right (The Price is Right)
MESSAGE: You're getting your game shows mixed up!Those "gag gifts" were only given out on the game show,"Let's Make a Deal" hosted by Montey Hall.You were picked along with others in the group of 100 chosen contestants who were seated in front of the audience and were in a multitude of different costumes mostly home-made.Then you would choose a box,a door or a curtain as well as money to decide what you would win.Then the "Big Deal of the Day" was offered to the higher winners of previous games played.Two of those cont's would trade back their prizes and pick door #1,#2,or #3.The one who won would be shown there door last.TPIR has never given out "gag gifts"
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Post# 35014-12/8/2003-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: classic applianes seen on Price is Right (The Price is Right)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it didn't they have appliances as prizes on this program??-you are right-now I can remember.-These were the shows people won cool prizes.Both of these shows should be offered on DVD.-And leave in the commercials-you can be sure they were about appliances and detergents. I thought that TPIR gave out gags as well.
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Post# 35015-12/9/2003-03:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses)
MESSAGE: That's what the "Rinse & Hold" cycle is for. You're a single person and you run it everyday? Wow, we have 6 people living here and it takes a day & half to fill the machine
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Post# 35016-12/9/2003-05:21 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: Beautiful machine in a stunning color in great condition- what more could you ask?? Oh, yes, the matching washer... Let's hope that comes along next. Congratulations, Rich on that outstanding find!!!
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Post# 35017-12/9/2003-06:19 ||| hairybigmanuk (England)
SUBJECT:
Last chance
MESSAGE: Hi Guys hope all is well with you, I was of the opinion that my Hotpoint t l was again on the way out. The spin cycle was takeing far far to long to reach the hi spin, it took so long that by the end of the cycle, the machine cut off leaving the clothes very wet. So the engineer came out the problem was, an oil leak on the clutch coming from the gear box. so he sorted the gear box and replaced the break shoes, he re lubed the virous bits and bobs, now its goes from 0 to hi spin with in 15 seconds very happy bear now Regards to one and all HBMUK
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Post# 35018-12/9/2003-07:09 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (Frig. stove in similar color...)
MESSAGE: Great find! We have a 1954 30' Frigidaire stove in a similar color...still looks and works great. It is hooked up in the basement, but works better than the 1969 40" Frigidaire in our kitchen. It is a great color! If it weren't for the size difference, I'd swap the stoves.
Good luck finding a matching washer.
Duane
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Post# 35019-12/9/2003-07:12 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (Frig. stove in similar color...)
MESSAGE: Also should mention that I LOVE the pink Flair range in the photos! Will you use it in your kitchen someday?
Duane
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Post# 35020-12/9/2003-07:43 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: classic applianes seen on Price is Right (The Price is Right)
MESSAGE: I remember on 11/23/73,I saw Ms.Tricia Garcia win a complete FRIGIDAIRE kitchen in Poppy Red in her showcase.I also remember seeing quite a few "Jet Action"FRIGIDAIRE washers being won on LMAD.I remember seeing the first Amana Radaranges on LMAD too.OOPS!!!!I am showing my age!!LOL.Do you remember the fur manufacturer that suppliedvthe coats and stoles on LMAD?------DICKER AND DICKER of Beverly Hills.TPIR briefly gave away furs from Zinman furs of Camden,NJ until animal activists (as well as Bob Barker)protested against it.
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Post# 35021-12/9/2003-08:56 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Todays Thor POD
MESSAGE: What a wonderful ad, thanks for posting it Robert. One of the more facinating washers, I guess because they are so scarce. I think its an agitator washer. Does anyone have any of these or are any known to still exist?
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Post# 35022-12/9/2003-11:13 ||| Pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Thor POD (POD- Thor)
MESSAGE: I've never seen one, but I understand that Thor is a brand that will be manufactured again in the future, but I'm not sure by what company. Maybe by Chrysler! Heck, Ford used to make Philco and GM used to build Frigidaire. Why not?
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Post# 35023-12/9/2003-11:23 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Thor POD (POD- Thor)
MESSAGE: Someone has apparently bought the Thor, Apex and Chambers names and is once again selling Thor/Apex washers and dryers
and Chambers stoves. Here's a link to their website: http://www.thorappliances.com/index.php The "about" section includes a discussion of the the history of Thor appliances and some historical photos.
LINK: http://www.thorappliances.com/index.php
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Post# 35024-12/9/2003-13:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Thor POD
MESSAGE: Are these a Beam design machine (Speed Queen)?
-ph
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Post# 35025-12/9/2003-13:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rich, wow that dryer looks just MINT!! Congrats, will you be able to hook up a 220 volt line in the garage to run it? You know what a wonderful scent the filtrator will fill your garage with!
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Post# 35026-12/9/2003-13:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Thor POD
MESSAGE: No, these are Thor's own design. Its the same wash-tub, agitator and transmission that is in the Thor washer/dishwasher combo.
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Post# 35027-12/9/2003-15:05 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Thanks guys for the congrats! Half the fun is sharing with everyone.
The flair range is not mine...it belongs to the guy who sold me the dryer.
I don't have a 220 volt line in the garage....yet!!!
And it didn't come with the brush to reach inside and clean it out. But I will find a brush that will work. Will post pics, Peter. Ha!
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Post# 35028-12/9/2003-18:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses)
MESSAGE: Yes-my machine has the rinse-hold function.I prefer to rinse the food waste down the disposal rather than the dishwasher-the disposer handles it better and doesn't spray it back on your dishes.Most of our family members do this and we get clean dishes. One member dumps their dishes into the machine and hope for the best-I-ve eaten at his house and the dishes are disgusting-surprized they haven't gotten food poisoning.I had to clean out their machine once-wished I could have buried it as hazardous waste!-one of their cats was helping by licking food debris out of the door. They have many family members and run their machine after each meal.Their kids load the machine and don't always pay attention to proper load procedures.At my household the dishes I have are old and the ones I got when I left college. They are still fine.Some have broken over the years-so I don't have as many.that why I run the machine daily.In the above example-I think many dishwasher makers are optimistic as to how many dishes the machine will actually hold and wash.
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Post# 35029-12/9/2003-21:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: You're so happy your tickled pink with such flair.
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Post# 35030-12/10/2003-02:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses (Rinse Hold))
MESSAGE: Any modern dishwasher should be able to deal with small amounts of food. My '78 Kenmore doesn't sparay anything back dishes, and I don't pre-rinse anything. I DO scrape the plates well so there aren't large pieces of food left on them, which apparently your friends don't do. What brand of d/w do they have? My dishwasher does have a problem with rice, but I find that if I run the Normal or Pots & Pans cycle instead of the Water Miser cycle I normally use, or increase the wash time to 30 minutes instead of the 20 minute default, even that problem goes away.
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Post# 35031-12/10/2003-04:28 ||| Researcher (Cape Town, RSA)
SUBJECT:
Speed Queen
MESSAGE: Hi! Trying to find early Speed Queen logos and advertising material. Anyone got any ideas?
Thanks
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Post# 35032-12/10/2003-04:31 ||| Researcher (Cape Town, RSA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen
MESSAGE: Yeah, I know it appears as the background to my posts! I'm looking for something a little clearer...
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Post# 35033-12/10/2003-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: I'm green with envy.
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Post# 35034-12/10/2003-08:53 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses (Rinse Hold))
MESSAGE: Any modern dishwasher...should be discussed in the Sandbox. Thanks!
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/messages
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Post# 35035-12/10/2003-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses (Rinse Hold))
MESSAGE: This happened about 15 years ago.the washer was a Whirlpool.My WP KA machine also has a problem with rice. I find it easier to rinse it away before putting the dish in the machine.The washer just spits the rice back onto the dishes.those friends DID NOT scrape large peices of food from the dishes. I had to clean them out of the sump of the machine-while their cat licked off peices of food stuck to the door.Maybe they should of had the cat do the dishes!
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Post# 35036-12/10/2003-19:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses (Rinse Hold))
MESSAGE: Actually, even most old dishwashers had a Rinse & Hold cycle, I shouldn't have said "modern"
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Post# 35037-12/10/2003-22:10 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: My early Xmas present
MESSAGE: LOL...Bob and Jason....you guys!
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Post# 35038-12/10/2003-22:40 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
197x Maytag "Halo of Heat" dryer blower bearing grease?
MESSAGE: Blower bearing is noisy. Looks like it's greased, what type of grease to use? Use just the bare minimum to coat the pulley shaft, or pack underneath washer?
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Post# 35039-12/11/2003-01:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 197x Maytag "Halo of Heat" dryer blower bearing grease? (bearing grease)
MESSAGE: If anyone has had a bad experience, let us know, but I find that using the black automotive wheel bearing grease works fine. It's TOUGH, since it has to withstand the very high loadings, speeds, and temperatures present in a car wheel bearing, MUCH greater punishment than any bearing in a washer or dryer could dish out
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Post# 35040-12/11/2003-02:15 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses (Rinse Hold))
MESSAGE: I wouldn't think that a 1978 Dishwasher would be considered a newer Model Machine, if you'll notice in the listing, a Classic is considered being at least 15-years.
Besides, who made you "Queen" of the Posting's?
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Post# 35041-12/11/2003-06:37 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses (things to rinse))
MESSAGE: Rice, eggs, and mustard are the 3 things that hot water tends to cook to the dishes/glasses.
Everything else should wash off using the short cycle.
Ken D.
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Post# 35042-12/11/2003-07:08 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD - 57 Kelvy
MESSAGE: This is THE Kelvinator to own. It has the Du-All dial and a window.
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Post# 35043-12/11/2003-08:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Pink Maytag Dryer
MESSAGE: You don't find these every day...and only $1!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3259921323&category=20714
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Post# 35044-12/11/2003-08:28 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: Yes I agree
it is awsome
I wish they would have made a 1/18 like frigidaire did!
Peter
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Post# 35045-12/11/2003-12:38 ||| Motogirl914 (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
1929 Westinghouse Flavor Zone oven
MESSAGE: Help!! I just purchased this 1929 Westinghouse Automatic Flavor Zone oven on ebay. This electric range is definately in need of new wiring. I am in search of an electrician to handle this but I would love to hear any helpful hints, tips, suggestions, you name it. I realize most of you are into washers but thought maybe somebody might be able to help! Any hints on how to clean up the porcelein too?
Thanks for any advice! Jill
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Post# 35046-12/11/2003-14:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pink Maytag Dryer
MESSAGE: They look so cute snuggled up together like that. It's a shame the original washer's gone. At least they bought a newer (80s) maytag. This is probably with the fast agitation like my mom's washer.
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Post# 35047-12/11/2003-14:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: Then I wonder how well it would work. When Philco got their big tub in the 60s the "Automagic" action didn't turn over the clothes very well. Same thing with the 1-18. It's the same action but less turnover.
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Post# 35048-12/11/2003-15:36 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: That Kelvinator is definitely cool! Growing up, I'd heard the name & never knew they washed any differently than any other machine. The Magic Minute is neat too. Is there a reason the agitator has so many holes in it?
Onto Philco.... not having seen the later ones since 1969, I remember the large lid that covered most of the top, which could double as providing more counterspace if needed. The wide opening to the tub, which I don't think was seen again until the 90's Whirlpools/Kitchen Aids. Philco had a NEAT design. What kind of washing action did it have? Was it up and down, or side to side? Not sure, but it looks like it would be different. Are they hard to find today?
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Post# 35049-12/11/2003-16:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Philco)
MESSAGE: The Philco's agitator looked more like it was doing a hula dance.
It's agitation was called "Blades of Water".
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Post# 35050-12/11/2003-16:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (eccentric and flapping)
MESSAGE: The holes in the Kelvi agitator were for "jets of water" to spurt thru as it moved about in it's eccentric circle. See the ABC wing of the museum (link on home page) to see a video on how it works.
The Philco agitator is a rubber disc that flapped for washing motion. The modern Kenmore/Whirlpool Calypso mechanism is reported to be based on the the Philco mechanism.
Kelvinator/ABC and Philco/Dexter are amongst the hardest to find...
-ph
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Post# 35051-12/11/2003-17:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (eccentric and flapping)
MESSAGE: Modern Calypso's should be discussed in the Sandbox.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 35052-12/11/2003-18:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Kitchen Aid DW motor rebuild
MESSAGE: I have pulled apart a "newer" Hobart 1/2 hp motor and replaced the start switch/relay and upper bearing, I noticed the lower bearing which needs replacing too, is open on one side and not sealed, why is that ?? I want to replace with a sealed one. Any thoughts from any of you motor experts out there ?? thanks -gregm
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Post# 35053-12/11/2003-19:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (eccentric and flapping)
MESSAGE: Well, not THAT hard to find....
I have looked deep into my crystal ball and have seen - I can just barely make it out - an unused ABC-O-Matic somewhere in the mist...
Oh wait, that's not all I see.......but I don't want to be gang-slapped so I'll put the ball away now.
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Post# 35054-12/11/2003-20:26 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: Hi Jason
It is true the 1/18 didn't have as much rollover as a rapid dry - but it was still outstanding rollover. In fact what TL washer can you ever compare today or in the past that had as good a rollover for a larger machine? I think if they had continued making the 1/18 after 1980 the performance probably would have been improved even more. As well as went back to the rapid dry spin.
As for the Kelvinator the fact that the adj moved around the tub I think if it was bigger the performance would have been just as good. As long as they kept the width of the tub the same size. Only it would have been deeper with a bigger adj and a performated tub. The realy great thing to view on the Kelvinator was the real deep overflow rinse and the Splashaway
what a show! I'm sure they wouldn't have carried that part over to a bigger machine. But it still would have been awsome.
I was never realy famular with Philco so I cannot comment on that.
Peter
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Post# 35055-12/11/2003-20:42 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE:
When did Kelvinator stop making their unique washer? Was it when American Motors went to Chrysler? I saw a Gremlin yesterday and believe it or not, got melancholy over it.
No, the 1-18 didn't have rapidry, in fact it took awhile to get up to full spin speed. Could that be because of the size of the motor? It did have a few other unique features though, like the sanitize cycle, which would bathe you in bleach if you left the lid open.... and the circle fill-- cool!
Jerry
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Post# 35056-12/11/2003-21:25 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: kelvinator was sold in 1968 to wci - after that the designs changed. wci always destroyed everything. The worst thing that ever happened in the appliance world is when they bought frigidaire.If they were smart they could have been the most top notch company, but they fluched it down the toilet.
Peter
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Post# 35057-12/11/2003-21:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: It was too bad-WCI trashed so many innovative washer designs!!
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Post# 35058-12/11/2003-21:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember: Washing Machines (food on top of glasses (things to rinse))
MESSAGE: Shouldn't the dishwasher detergent when dissolved in the hot water-be able to break those items down?
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Post# 35059-12/11/2003-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 197x Maytag "Halo of Heat" dryer blower bearing grease? (bearing grease)
MESSAGE: I would also think lithium based hi-speed grease should work too.I got some(along with the greasegun) that is trade marked "Briggs & Stratton"-was for use in garden equipment. I use it to lube the blade shaft in my Snapper rider mower. This should work in the Maytag fan bearings.
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Post# 35060-12/11/2003-21:41 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Wci Trash)
MESSAGE: Yes they trashed so so much
They should have just let the frigidaire name drop after they pulled out from general motors. Actually if they were smart and wanted to save money the would have kept the washers and the refrigation end from gm. Than even if they changed the rest of the stuff they probably would have still done ok.
Peter
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Post# 35061-12/12/2003-00:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: Except for maybe a Kenmore with a Dual Action I don't know of any TL with such good turnover. The 1-18 didn't turn over as fast but it was better than the rest in the 18lb tub catagory.
Overflow rinses and fast starting spins are so cool. There's a certain magic to solid tub machines that gets lost
Our Lady of Perforated Holeyness
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Post# 35062-12/12/2003-00:04 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy DOH )
MESSAGE: I meant to tay There's a certain magic to solid tub machines that gets lost when you go to perforated tub.
O Holey Night
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Post# 35063-12/12/2003-00:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy DOH )
MESSAGE: I can go along with you on that-I "watched" one as a young kidIt was most impressive when it went to spin and flung all of the water over the top of the tub.Sometimes one of our "baby socks" would float over the edge of the tank and then jam the pump-Much swearwords from my dad when he had to unjam the pump!!I think the machine was a Norge.I was just tall enough to open the lid and see inside. I am looking for one now.
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Post# 35064-12/12/2003-00:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Wci Trash)
MESSAGE: I am starting to think why WCI trashed these designs-because they acquired so many-WCI might have been afraid they could have been competing against themselves.If they saved them-could have saved their engineering-design costs.Could another reasons is they would have to get relicesned to build all of those various designs?(patent licensing)
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Post# 35065-12/12/2003-04:36 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy DOH )
MESSAGE: Yes I remember when I was little we had a hotpoint and a sock went over the top and got caught in the pump. My mom was happy when their repairman told her it wasn't going to be a costly repair.
Peter
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Post# 35066-12/12/2003-04:46 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Wci Trash)
MESSAGE: Actually with frigidaire wci made the biggest mistake by buying it without buying the factories. They actually only bought the name. They paid gm for 2 years to continue to make the appliances. They actually wanted to give it back to GM but they wouldn't take it back. They did actually have the patents but they were useless without the factories. So they decided to pull out to save money. They kept making one mistake after another. If electrolux had aquired wci earlier they probably would have handeled it differently. Firstly they or anyone else would never have bought frigidaire without getting the factories.
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Post# 35067-12/12/2003-19:57 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1929 Westinghouse Flavor Zone oven
MESSAGE: Jill, Where in Ohio are you located? Im about 5 minutes from Akron
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Post# 35068-12/12/2003-23:56 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Wci Trash)
MESSAGE: When General Motors "slammed the car door"on FRIGIDAIRE,the agreement was that GM keep the plant and all its facilities including the machinery used to build the machines.General motors was planning to build mid-sized as well as small sized cars there.This plan occured during the "gas crunch" in the 1970s when foreign companies like Datsun,Toyota and Honda were making cars that were not only compact but saved lots of gas and were moderately less expensive to buy as well as drive.GM had purchased the rights to use the rotary engine developed by Mazda (they named it the Monza)but its performance was far from what was expected.GM wound up trashing the idea but the dye was cast and WCI had the FRIGIDAIRE name.The washers were made at the Westinghouse factory and the dryers at the Hamilton factory.The refrigerators were made at both the Gibson and Kelvinator plants and the ranges at the Tappan and Kelvinator plants.Many things changed when Electrolux purchased WCI.But FRIGIDAIRE and Westinghouse will never be the same.
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Post# 35069-12/13/2003-00:07 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (57 Kelvy )
MESSAGE: The 1-18's did have the Rapidry spin!Consumer Reports even mentioned during many ratings of the 1-18's how much dryer their loads were and how much better they handled off ballance loads.Most owners of the solid tub models, Three ring and Jet Action,complained off Permanent Press becoming "Permanent Wrinkles"and towels becoming too stiff even after going through a rinse with Downy.
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Post# 35070-12/13/2003-00:36 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: 197x Maytag "Halo of Heat" dryer blower bearing grease? (bearing grease)
MESSAGE: Thanks to all for info!
Used my auto wheel bearing grease, so far so good. Installed new belts too, noticed the new Maytag belts are "Made in Mexico", originals were "Made in USA". Never had the back panel removed, mechanicals seem more industrial strength than consumer product strength. Will have to look for a washer to match my DE806. Do the later model Maytags wash/dry clothes more effectively with less energy, or was the design changed for no other reason than to cut costs?
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Post# 35071-12/13/2003-03:46 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Westinghouse appliance comeback?)
MESSAGE: I have noticed the return of the Westinghouse brand...not White-Westinghouse, but Westinghouse with the circle-W logo and font as used in the 1960s, and "You can be sure if it's Westinghouse" for light bulbs and a cordless Westinghouse vacuum cleaner.
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Post# 35072-12/13/2003-03:56 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Westinghouse appliance comeback?)
MESSAGE: Westinghouse LCD televisions too...
LINK: http://www.westinghousedigital.com/
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Post# 35073-12/13/2003-10:44 ||| Purplerose (Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Vacuum DVD Holiday Special
MESSAGE: Holiday Special
A Must for the Vacuum Collector's Movie Collection!
SUPERSUCKER is the story of rival door-to-door vacuum cleaner distributors Fred Barlow (Jeff Daniels) and Winslow Schnaebelt (Harve Presnell) as they battle for territory and survival in a "winner takes all" contest. When perennial underdog, Fred Barlow re-discovers a long lost cleaning attachment, the contest turns as he and his team of misfits determine "non-traditional" uses for this attachment. The result not only changes their lives, it changes the home cleaning industry forever.
It's an off-beat, adult-themed, zany little film with the intention of simply stirring some laughter during our otherwise complicated lives.
Feel free to share this Special Holiday Offer with your club members: $5.00 off the normal DVD price when you order direct from the website. Simply enter this promotional code when you order: Homemaker Helper
www.SuperSuckerTheMovie.com
2002 US Comedy Arts Festival Audience Award Winner
Happy Holidays,
Purple Rose Films
LINK: http://www.SuperSuckerTheMovie.com
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Post# 35074-12/13/2003-18:01 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Dryer
MESSAGE: Here's another question....Mom has a Maytag Dryer that's a mid-80's vintage that hasn't been used in about 10 years, because of a lack of an extra power line in the breaker box. When all finally gets connected, will the dryer need any lubrication or anything from sitting idle for that long, or would it be okay to run? Do the belts dry out or anything?
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Post# 35075-12/13/2003-18:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Dryer
MESSAGE: Where was the machine stored-if it was stored in a heated or airconditioned climate-It would probably be OK. It would be a good idea to take off the back and check the belt,and idler pullys to be sure they are OK. Also creatures such as mice and such may have built their homes in your unused dryer. That would be your opportunity to "evict" them be fore running the machine. You could also clean out any lint that collected in its works when it was used before storage.
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Post# 35076-12/13/2003-18:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vacuum DVD Holiday Special
MESSAGE: As a vac man sounded interesting-I placed an order-first time I ordered something over the computer. I am anxous to to get the show and see it. I sell vacs DTD part time now.(Tri-Stars)
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Post# 35077-12/13/2003-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Westinghouse appliance comeback?)
MESSAGE: I have seen the cordless "Westinghouse" vac at Llinens and Things,and Bed-Bath Beyond in my area. Haven't seen the "Westinghouse" light bulbs. I thought the lighting equipment division of the orig Westinghouse was bought up by Philips.I haven't seen the LCD TV.
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Post# 35078-12/13/2003-18:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 197x Maytag "Halo of Heat" dryer blower bearing grease? (bearing grease)
MESSAGE: I am not impressed with Maytags present machines--too much of "Magic chef" has rubbed off onto the Maytags. I bet they changed the design to cut costs.At this point I like only the VINTAGE Maytag products. May your "HOH" dryer work for many more years!!
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Post# 35079-12/13/2003-18:57 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
Greasing a 1-18?
MESSAGE: I recently acquired a Frigidaire 1-18 washer, circa 1974 vintage (model W3T-22). It appears to be in very good shape, although I had to reconnect a modular connector to the console to get the machine to run and "cheated" the water level switch to briefly test the agitaton while empty. (I haven't hooked it up to water yet.)
Didn't notice any knocks or squeaks, but I figure a thirty-year-old gearless transmission must need greasing sooner or later. So...do the roller shafts on a 1-18 tranny need greasing? Also, and more importantly, can the pivoting joints on the pulsator arm (or whatever that lower connecting rod is called) be lubed? Lastly, does someone have an exploded diagram of the tranny?
Thanks in advance!
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Post# 35080-12/13/2003-21:56 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT:
HOH Dryer
MESSAGE: Come to think of it, I have an HOH dryer manual,but don't remember which models.
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Post# 35081-12/14/2003-18:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Greasing a 1-18? (not the rollers)
MESSAGE: I assume you know you cannot get any grease, lube, etc. on or near the rollers ......, I cleaned my rollers with rubbing alcohol and a cotton ball and that worked well. I did not lube anything out of fear. I don't have enough knowledge. I did acquire another 1/18 where the guy sprayed EVERYTHING down with WD-40 ....... including into the spin clutch which is now ruined as a result, the machine does not agitate AT ALL nor spin. I will be curious to see others responses ......
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Post# 35082-12/14/2003-19:15 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Greasing a 1-18? (not the rollers)
MESSAGE: Yes, gregm, I mean the roller axle or bearings, not the driving surfaces.
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Post# 35083-12/14/2003-21:36 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Westinghouse appliance comeback?)
MESSAGE: We have always had Westinghouse products manufactured and sold in Australia. They have always kept the cirlce logo and the "You can be sure if its Westinghouse" slogan.
Feel free to look at their web site, but as it si modern follow it up in the sandbox
LINK: http://www.westinghouse.com.au
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Post# 35084-12/15/2003-06:09 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire 1-18 Avoid all lubrication!
MESSAGE: Hi zzzzz, You must have the 1-18 from Gary Ball. Its great that you got it, as he said it was in excellent shape.
1-18's should never be greased or lubricated anywhere, or in any manner at all. If a part is noisy or loose, greasing it will NOT help. It MUST be replaced. All the parts were engineered with nylon glides or supports, ball bearings, or oil cast bronze bearings that do not accept any type of lubrication. Often the agitate arms wear and become loose but greasing will not cure the noise. Some agitate arms are designed in such a way that they can be adjusted for wear on the ball socket end. Other than that, always replace the noisy part or worn part with another good one, as its the only way to correct a problem. The same policy is valid for Rollermatic washers too. The Unimatics and Multimatics used oil in their transmissions, but are of a different design. Hope that helps you out!
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Post# 35085-12/15/2003-08:17 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire's on film
MESSAGE: Tonight @ 8p.m. the "TCM" cable channel is featuring the 1964; Doris Day, Rock Hudson & Tony Randall comedy movie "Send Me No Flowers".
Also starring are 2 cool Frigidaire appointed kitchens of the day.
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Post# 35086-12/15/2003-12:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire's on film (TCM ??)
MESSAGE: TCM ?? I live in a VERY small town in MAss, cable not available and I do not have satellite ..... but will be at a friends house tonight and he has cable ..........
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Post# 35087-12/15/2003-13:28 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire's on film (TCM ??)
MESSAGE: The channel is Turner Classic Movies (TCM)
Jerry
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Post# 35088-12/15/2003-21:58 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT:
RE:Maytag HOH blower bearing
MESSAGE: The bearing is actually a bushing. According to the service manual,it's a split oil impregnated,sintered metal bushing vulcanized in rubber & surrounded by a steel jacket.
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Post# 35089-12/16/2003-08:16 ||| oldappliancenut (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
westy dryer up fpr sale
MESSAGE: need to sell asap so make me an offer
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldappliancefreak/detail?.dir=/Westinghouse&.dnm=IM000231.jpg
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Post# 35090-12/16/2003-08:19 ||| oldappliancenut (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: westy dryer up fpr sale (forgot my email addy)
MESSAGE: oldappliancenut@yahoo.com
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Post# 35091-12/16/2003-09:20 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire's on film
MESSAGE: It was kind of hard to see the kitchens thru Doris Day's enormous hair! Her yellow kitchen was much nicer than Tony Randall's coppertone kitchen...
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Post# 35092-12/16/2003-17:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Norge POD - Is that right?
MESSAGE: She's pouring Calgon powder in the FS dispenser? Is it a dispenser or am I seeing the burp-up lint filter, which can dispense powder?
Not sure I'm getting what I'm seeing there.
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Post# 35093-12/16/2003-18:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right?
MESSAGE: I am with you don't fully understand what the laundress is really doing.I too thought the peice of equipment she is pouring Calgon into was the burp-up lint filter dish.Is the FS dispenser another peice of equipment that sits on the agitator also? Also it appears she is pouring something elese out of a scoop into the washer-I would guess detergent.
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Post# 35094-12/16/2003-20:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: westy dryer up fpr sale (seen in person)
MESSAGE: I have seen this dryer in person and she is a beauty !!
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Post# 35095-12/16/2003-21:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right?
MESSAGE: Every time I see this POD I think the same thing. But never had the guts to ask.
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Post# 35096-12/16/2003-22:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right?
MESSAGE: I'm guessing what it does is the "burp-up" throws water into the flying saucer thing and when it goes into spin, it kicks the water/calgon mix against the side walls and then releases it when the tub stops.
I'll bet those things got clogged like crazy.
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Post# 35097-12/16/2003-23:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right?
MESSAGE: The process is not at all clear from the picture. Seems like any water 'burping' into the dispenser during wash would overflow it before end of the wash. Maybe the dispenser sits atop the filter pan, and the dry powder is supposed to end up in the filter after the first spin and then get mixed/dispensed with water during the 'burping' of rinse agitation.
Surely a vintage expert around here knows the answer. Isn't this machine akin to Robert's Norge Timeline?
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Post# 35098-12/17/2003-06:00 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right? (Dispenser wheel ahead of it's time?)
MESSAGE: I believe you had to add some water to the dry Calgon to create the water conditioning solution. Then the Calgon was dispensed in the rinse water through the centrifugal action dispenser from the 1st spin.
Just like a liquid softener dispenser. But, were liquid softeners available then? Thought they became available a bit later around the early 60's.
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Post# 35099-12/17/2003-06:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD - YES!
MESSAGE: There it is! My ultimate dream washer. The late 60s/early 70s Kenmore 800.
Isn't it great when your favorite washer comes around on POD?
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Post# 35100-12/17/2003-08:27 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Westinghouse appliance comeback?)
MESSAGE: they are owned by Electrolux
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Post# 35101-12/17/2003-08:28 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - 57 Kelvy (Westinghouse appliance comeback?)
MESSAGE: they are owned by Electrolux
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Post# 35102-12/17/2003-17:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - YES!
MESSAGE: I have one similar to this-not exactly what is in the picture but very similar-same model series.The console is exactly the same.Mine doesn't have the automatic dispensers.The one I have has a vari-flex agitator.The motor and transmission were replaced before I got it. It was a find at one of the local used appliance stores. I check the ones in my area frequently.I like the machine. Works well.
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Post# 35103-12/17/2003-17:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right? (Dispenser wheel ahead of it's time?)
MESSAGE: It would seem like you would have two devices riding atop the agitator on this machine-the mentioned water softner dispenser and the "burp-up" lint trap pan? This was one of the machines I was trying to look for.
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Post# 35104-12/17/2003-19:36 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Save the Avacao Kenmore!
MESSAGE: Save this washing machine! It still works!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3261289407&category=42232
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Post# 35105-12/17/2003-19:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save the Avacao Kenmore!
MESSAGE: That's an almost BOL model. 3 cycles with a water level switch. Still, it has the whine and grind-click-clunk when it goes into spin. I'm guessing it does the fill-and-agitate thing in the Perm Press cycle.
Kenmores ROCK!
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Post# 35106-12/17/2003-20:51 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right? (Dispenser wheel ahead of it's time?)
MESSAGE: Sta-Puf was around in 1958 or 1959 since the 1959 LK W/D combo had the dispensers.
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Post# 35107-12/17/2003-20:58 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save the Avacao Kenmore!
MESSAGE: Jason, that's at least a Kenmore 600. There were at least 3 if not more models below that one.
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Post# 35108-12/17/2003-21:17 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save the Avacao Kenmore!
MESSAGE: This is exactly the series I have been looking for. My mother's Kenmore must have been a Model 700. Not as nice as the 800 in the POD but not a BOL as the e-bay one. Certainly someone must have a pic? Hers was bought in 1970 and lasted for 29 years before she retired it. It did do the rinse/agitate thing for PP and it also did the agitate at high speed then switch to low speed during a wash cycle. Kenmores really do rock!
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Post# 35109-12/17/2003-21:45 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save the Avacao Kenmore! (avocado kenmore)
MESSAGE: Yep Jason theres one of yours. I thought of you when i saw the POD. Happy Holidays to all of applianceville. I hope you all have a safe and joyful Holiday... You know how we all get used to things. Checking POD... and the members posts is something I look forward to everyday, usually as soon as I get home from work. Thanks for ALL the fun. Again Happy Holidays. alr2903.
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Post# 35110-12/18/2003-03:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right? (Norge filter "
Timeline"
)
MESSAGE: Could someone clarify the "timeline" of the Norge filtering systems? From what I can gather so far from all the postings I've read, it seems like Norge had the "burp-up" filter first, went to a "full flow" type filter, then returned to the "burp-up type in later years. Am I right?
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Post# 35111-12/18/2003-11:10 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right? (timeline)
MESSAGE: The "Timeline" is the type of timer that they used. Instead of a round knob that rotated clockwise by a clock motor, this was a bar that moved horizontally along a slot in the control panel
Kinda looked like:
-----|-------------
and along the slot you had postitions for "wash, spin, rinse, etc."
Whirlpool, GE and Kelvinator had a timeline type timer.
It was the 50s, the APEX of space-age design.
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Post# 35112-12/18/2003-13:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right? (READ)
MESSAGE: Yes, you are... No filter to burp-up to recirculating filter to burp-up...
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Post# 35113-12/18/2003-13:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save the Avacao Kenmore! (To Jason.............)
MESSAGE: You're right, that's an almost BOL Kenmore. And one of the good Kenmores too at that. I don't know what this particular model is, but we had one almost like that one years ago. Only ours also had a water temperature selector on it, and it had an off balance switch with buzzer. I don't know the model number of this one, but if I am not mistaking, I think ours was a Model 600, and ours lasted almost 25 years.
Yes Sireee............ Kenmores ROCK!!!!!!!
There's nothing else out there, like an old ass Kenmore..... :)
--Charles--
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Post# 35114-12/18/2003-14:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save the Avacao Kenmore! (To Jason.............)
MESSAGE: The typical 3-cycle, 3-temp, 3-water level Kenmore 70 or 700 was like one of the most common washing machines ever. There's probably lots of these still chugging away in people's homes.
Hopefully one makes it into my home.
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Post# 35115-12/18/2003-14:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge POD - Is that right? (Burp up filter)
MESSAGE: So does the washer say "Excuse me" after each stroke of the agitator.
Being silly.
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Post# 35116-12/18/2003-18:14 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Save the Avacao Kenmore! (To Jason.............)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I have my eye on a matching Kenmore 70 Series washer and dryer at a local appliance graveyard. Just spotted them a couple weeks ago. A bit of rust on the washer cabinet, but the interior looks pretty good. I'm planning to buy them after Xmas. I'll keep you posted!
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Post# 35117-12/18/2003-18:19 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire WCDATL Problems
MESSAGE: Just brought a lovely avocado green 1966 Frigidaire model WCDATL home a month ago and finally got around to playing with her. She's beautiful; still has the timed fill cycle and solid tub. (and I spotted a white matching dryer at a local appliance graveyard last week!)
She has a few problems; in addition to a leaky pump gasket, she spins off balance when empty and shuts off due to overheating during the spin cycle.
Any suggestions? I can fix the leak, but can't seem to figure out the off balance problem and I'm concerned now that the motor is going since it continues to smell/overheat.
Thanks and one of these days I will enter the 21st century and get a digital camera so I can post pics off my collection!
Todd
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Post# 35118-12/18/2003-19:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire WCDATL Problems
MESSAGE: The motor overheating is a bad clutch.
Is the washer level and all 4 feet on the ground? Other than that, one of our Frigidaire wizards can help you out.
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Post# 35119-12/19/2003-08:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Westiinghouse 25 POD
MESSAGE: So how did the special control work from the front when a Westinghouse 25 was built-in under the counter?
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Post# 35120-12/19/2003-08:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire WCDATL Problems
MESSAGE: The rubber tub/mechanism support is probably shot. I believe these are very difficult to find. I'll let one of the other experts chime in...
-ph
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Post# 35121-12/19/2003-09:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westiinghouse 25 POD
MESSAGE: The timer is mounted in the back of the machine. There must have been a kit with the long rod to mount the knob on the front. Later models have the knobs in the front with timer itself in the back of the machine.
-ph
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Post# 35122-12/19/2003-11:47 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
BOL Kenmore
MESSAGE: So what is a BOL Kenmore? No one seems to have bid on that mean green machine yet. Have you guys bought stuff like that before and had them shipped? Any idea what it would cost to ship them? Who does the packaging and would it arrive in one piece, or would it be wrecked?
Jerry
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Post# 35123-12/19/2003-12:00 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire WCDATL Problems (Thanks.)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the input. I'll see what I can find at some of my appliance haunts here in Phoenix. I'll keep you posted!
Todd
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Post# 35124-12/19/2003-12:03 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: BOL Kenmore
MESSAGE: BOL means "bottom of the line" (MOL = middle, TOL = top, etc.)
I've never had one of these babies shipped but have heard it's very expensive. I have a truck and would be willing to help but I'm in Arizona and I believe this machine is back east somewhere...
Good luck!
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Post# 35125-12/19/2003-12:32 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: BOL Kenmore (Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the offer, but that really would be a trip.
I'm in CT and the machine is in Western North Carolina
and that's probably about a 14 hour ride, so shipping would be an option....
Jerry
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Post# 35126-12/19/2003-13:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire WCDATL Problems
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have three seperate problems. If the pump is leaking through the cork gasket that seals the housing that is easily replaced by going to an auto parts store and buying cork-on-a-roll and cutting a new gasket. If its leaking from the shaft seal than you need to find a new seal or replace the entire pump with a modern electric pump (if it's a timed fill model).
I agree with Jason, if the motor is cutting out due to overheating, the clutch is probably not slipping properly drawing too much current at the beginning of spin. You'll need to disassemble the clutch and see what is making it bind, it could just be gummed up and needs a good cleaning.
When you say she "spins off balance" when empty, I'm assuming you mean that the tub is hanging towards the 11:00 position. This is quite common in later rollermatic washers and only a new rubber mechanism support will fix that. Usually this is not a show-stopping problem though.
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Post# 35127-12/19/2003-14:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Road Trip
MESSAGE: I have two exciting pieces of news to share with Applianceville. Last month Peter turned up a nice vintage '57 automatic located on the west side of Chicago. He was kind enough to let me know about the find and it finally arrived this morning. When I unpack it and photograph it I’ll share this with new beauty with Applianceville.
Unfortunately or fortunately I won’t get to unpack the machine until Tuesday, that’s because I’ve made a new discovery and you guessed it, it’s a vintage washer and dryer set. I already have the washer and its one of the rarest washers in my entire collection, but now I’ll have the matching set. Neal and I are taking a nice little road trip this weekend to go and pick them up. I'll post pictures of this new, very exciting find as soon as we get them home. More to come.
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Post# 35128-12/19/2003-15:48 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: Yee haw!!! Can't wait for pics for either. There's a part of me that's guessing the washer & dryer pair could be a Norge TimeLine. Or maybe an ABC-O-Matic set. Another stab, a Unimatic washer and dryer matched set? Finally, SURELY not a matching GE set. Other than that, I give up. You and Neal have a safe trip.
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Post# 35129-12/19/2003-16:09 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: YAY!!! So glad you got that '57 to your house finally! That will be a real star in your collection...
One of the rarest... You already have the washer... It is a set... hmmmmm... My guess is it isn't another Frigidaire... Philco and Hotpoint come to mind... Can't wait to see!!!
-ph
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Post# 35130-12/19/2003-16:27 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: Such a tease you are...
Not one, but two secrets,not to mention the new museum that's never been seen...there should be a law against that!
Slap, slap and slap again!
Have a safe and fun trip - the weather looks good for the weekend!
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Post# 35131-12/19/2003-17:26 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: Good luck on that trip Robert! I can't wait to see pictures of that new '57 automatic you have coming.
Eddy
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Post# 35132-12/19/2003-19:02 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (road trip)
MESSAGE: Could it be a '57 Whirlpool pair?
Someday they'll be a movie about this....the hunt for classic washing machines!
Jerry
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Post# 35133-12/19/2003-20:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
dishwasher parts
MESSAGE: So does anyone know the best place(s) for vintage dishwasher parts? I have a Sears Kenmore 600 top loader, approximately 1962 (the "Bewitched" model) where the drainpump works but leaks. It's been pressed temporarily into service since I accidentally blew the relay board and timer on my '78 built-in Kenmore and it wil take probably $150 in parts to get it going again.
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Post# 35134-12/19/2003-21:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwasher parts (modern retrofit)
MESSAGE: It's going to be very difficult to find the exact part, but you should be able to retrofit a modern dw pump assembly in there rather easily.
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Post# 35135-12/19/2003-21:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: OK, OK so I couldn't wait and moved the new '57 down into the workshop, here is his first photos...
Now to hit the road to get the next exciting set.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/57sq.jpg
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Post# 35136-12/19/2003-22:28 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: Uni- what does time 11-4-2 mean adjust fill time? thanks alr2903
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Post# 35137-12/19/2003-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: Actually that's the wash time setting, how it works exactly I'm not sure yet, but I'll let everyone know when I find out.
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Post# 35138-12/19/2003-22:51 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (What a Queen!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
That is a great looking machine!
It is so, so different looking from all the rest of the Speed Queen machines that I have had the chance to see.
The switches above the timer, do they switch up and down, or do you pull them in and out? The timer is so cool. What does Gal. fill mean?
What is the story behind it? (and Peter how did you find it?)
Man, I can't wait to see what you are picking up next!
I love it when you tease us like this Robert.
Thanks for the photo's.
Sorry for all the questions.
Have a safe trip.
Brent
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Post# 35139-12/20/2003-02:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: Yay!! That is an exciting machine! Congratulations Robert. I guess the Gal fill is the number of gallons that it takes in? I like the art deco styling of the front panel with the big logo on it. Can't wait to see pictures of your other find. What an exciting weekend!
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Post# 35140-12/20/2003-04:59 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: WOW, Robert!! Fascinating machine and looks to be in decent shape to boot!! Of course I know we can count on some action shots at some point. In addition to more pics, I too am curious as to the story behind that machine as well as the story of the set you will be picking up soon!!
My guess on the matched set: Hmmm.... a tough one. I would normally guess Norge Timeline, but I do remember that you once found the matching gas dryer to your washer and opted not to go for it. So, I will put my money on a nice Philco Bendix set (possibly Custom Imperial????) or perhaps GE......
BTW, has the movie Mona Lisa Smile opened near you yet? It opens here in the Northeast this weekend and I can't wait to get a glimpse of your Frigidaires.......
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Post# 35141-12/20/2003-06:06 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwasher parts (Good Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I have the very same dishwasher in storage. Of all the vintage dishwashers this one out performes by far. Holds the most & has the most random loading of all the impeller wash dishwashers. Good luck on the pump repair & keep us posted. Michael
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Post# 35142-12/20/2003-07:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: What an awesome regal Queen she is. Very unique. Never seen anything like it. My other questions have already been asked and will await the answer.
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Post# 35143-12/20/2003-08:13 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (Road Trip )
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Real great find - I love looking at the controls
you took perfect pictures
Best of luck
Peter
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Post# 35144-12/20/2003-10:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
"Classic" Detergents
MESSAGE: I'm not sure if this should be in the "sandbox" or here but here goes.
I went to the store yesterday and discovered a few types of "Classic" detergents. I saw Classic All, Classic Purex and Classic Trend (must be a store brand).
These are the BIG boxes just like in the old days and it's the old dosage amounts. 1 cup for regular machines (I guess they're meaning 12-14lb capacity machines) and 1 1/2 cups for large or heavily soiled loads. I liked the next section: 1/2 cup or less for "compact" machines (like my Lil' Lady). No front loader instructions though :-( .
So what gives with this stuff? Is this really the old stuff from long time ago? Is it worth getting?
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Post# 35145-12/20/2003-10:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: OK, I think I get it.
The numbers on the timer dial are not for minutes but how many GALLONS of water. That's how you set the water level. Then when it reaches the "wash" section, the 11-4 knob probably either speeds up or slows down the timer to give you an 11min wash (slow) or a 4min wash (fast). Then once it goes into spin the timer moves along at it's normal speed. The only time it's affected is during the wash cycle dependant on the switch setting.
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Post# 35146-12/20/2003-11:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: Jason,
My guess is that the 11 mins. wash time is for the normal cycle and the 4 mins. is for the short cycle. I guess you can use that switch for getting even a shorter short cycle by setting the time selector to 2 mins. The pink color of the '4' corresponds with the color on the timer. I guess the color of the '2' wore a little off.
Louis
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Post# 35147-12/20/2003-11:21 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
POD (....is it a whirlpool imperial?)
MESSAGE: Like the washer they used in that detergent ad.
Would any of the WP/KM guys or anyone for that matter have pictures of any whirlpool washer models for the following years of 58-60?. I'm mainly curious about the TOL Imperial models. I believe i read in one of the archives that Whirlpool made a timeline style washer? Would like to see that machine.
Thanks again
Pat
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Post# 35148-12/20/2003-11:34 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: Congrats Robert,that's one mean machine....I just saw it in the Jan 57 consumer reports article.Nice to have another "tank"
in your ever growing collection LOL.
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Post# 35149-12/20/2003-11:57 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire WCDATL Problems (Thank You)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info. The cork gasket is the culprit and I will try the cork-on-a-roll.
The out-of-balance problem is as you described; the 11:00 position and not a show-stopper. Guess I can live with it.
I'll take the clutch apart & clean it up and hope for the best. Luckily, we have a few places here in Phoenix I can go to scout for replacement parts. I'm wondering if my 1977 parts machine clutch will work in the '66?
Thanks again for your help!
Todd
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Post# 35150-12/20/2003-14:13 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Wow, Robert what a nice early Christmas present ... three new machines to add to your collection. :-)
That Speed Queen sure looks like an interesting machine. What a wonderful find. Can't wait to see it in action and to hear more about it.
As for your "other" finds ... hmmm ... you're such a tease. ;-) Several people have already speculated that it might be a Philco pair (that would be wonderful) but I can't help but think that it's an ABC. You already have the washer and it's rare ... that would be wonderful. Whatever they are, congrats and enjoy. Can't wait to find out what it it.
Mike
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Post# 35151-12/20/2003-15:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwasher parts
MESSAGE: I am in contact with about four parts attics now in New England and one in FL, but do you have the exact part number by any chance, I will try for you if you give me the number, nothing ventured, nothing gained I guess, best wishes ..... -gregm
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Post# 35152-12/20/2003-15:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: nice Robert, congrads, I am dying to see the set that you are off to get........
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Post# 35153-12/20/2003-15:39 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
DW-washer combo found and more
MESSAGE: I have been called to take a look at what I am told is an old Thor Dishwasher/ Washing Machine combo, I go to look at it and possibly buy it after the new year, I am very anxious and excited to see this ......... Today I picked up a 1956 GE Mobile Maid in very good condition, it does work but needs a new timer and fill; as well as a new paint job on the cabinet, but the interior is in really good shape and so are the racks. I also pick up a 1965 MOL ? Kenmore washer next week in very good shape, but have no clue if working or not. Pics will follow.
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Post# 35154-12/20/2003-15:45 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwasher parts (Good Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Mike, I picked up a 1956 Mobile Maid today just like the one that is for sale in the appville clssfds ..... the one that you emailed me about in Tenessee. The guy is very firm on his price so I passed, well glad I did too. I never thought I would find the exact same machine in such good condition and I payed a ton less than what he was asking. It looks much like your '54 except the color around the dial on mine is tangerine instead of green.
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Post# 35155-12/20/2003-16:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (wash-and-soak)
MESSAGE: The switch is really kinda neat. When it is set for 11-4, the washer agitates throughout the wash period, which begins during the last increment of the timed fill and includes 2 minutes of overflow rinse, on both the regular (11 mins) and the short (4 mins) cycle. When set for 7-2 -- the 7 doesn't show in the picture -- the washer doesn't start agitating until the fill time is complete and doesn't agitate during the last minute of overflow. So on the regular cycle with the 7-2 setting, there is 3 mins of agitation, 2 mins of soak, and 4 more mins of agitation. The last min of agitation is the overflow rinse, and then one more timer increment of non-agitation overflow. On the short cycle with the 7-2 setting, there are only 2 mins of agitation that begins after the fill is complete, and the overflow minutes is a true overflow without agitation.
How cool is that!!!
-ph
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Post# 35156-12/20/2003-16:59 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (What a Queen!)
MESSAGE: Amazing looking washer! Someone contacted me about the machine in the Chicago area at the same time that I was working on getting my ABC washer and dryer. It was just too much for me, so I put Robert in contact with the seller. It's a match made in heaven, don't you think?
The switches over the timer look like knobs but they are rocker switches, up and down.
The gallons per fill were back in a time when a homemaker knew exactly how many gallons it took to wash whatever size load she needed to do. Housewives gradually lost this skill, and washer manufactures resorted to the "large load/small load" settings for water level control.
-ph
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Post# 35157-12/20/2003-17:02 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: "Classic" Detergents
MESSAGE: No, it's all filler and fluff. If this so-called classic version of ALL was really classic, it would tell you to use 3/4 cup for a normal washload. This stuff should be in a red all box and be called Classic Fluffy All. Don't waste your money...
-ph
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Post# 35158-12/20/2003-17:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (wash-and-soak)
MESSAGE: That's way cool. Almost the ultimate in automatic flexibilty for a solid tub machine. Woo hooo.
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Post# 35159-12/20/2003-17:50 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
road trip
MESSAGE: That is an awesome machine. Speed Queen was my second guess. My third was a Kelvinator dryer. It has typical 50's styling
(not art deco), and if you're also into the cars of the day, the control panel resembles some of them. (angles & such) Funny about Speed Queen- they didn't change the look of their agitator much over the years.
WOW. Can't wait to see what he picks up next
Jerry
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Post# 35160-12/20/2003-17:58 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
.....the hunt!
MESSAGE: Where do you find these oldies?
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Post# 35161-12/20/2003-18:14 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: "Classic" Detergents (Filler and Fluff)
MESSAGE: Ok. Thank you for the clarification. I figured it was some kind of scan with filler and fluff.
This was at a store that caters to mostly older people (old neighborhood) and I guess the target is lil' old ladies with antique Kenmores washing in their garage. Hmmm.. Must be good hunting grounds for estate sales.
I'll stick with my PurexHE then.
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Post# 35162-12/20/2003-18:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: OH I see. It speeds up the timer motor throughout so you can have a short wash/low water level for a small load. Kind of a strange way to label stuff but again, this was the space age so if it had more knobs and confusing to operate all the better.
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Post# 35163-12/20/2003-18:19 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: "Classic" Detergents (Filler and Fluff)
MESSAGE: By the way, HE is pretty much filler. It's the same dosage of actual detergent (which is very small of course). Like "line one" on a cap of regular Purex is halfway down in there. "Line one" on a Purex HE cap is up higher. Same amount of soap but with added filler/suds inhibitor. Whatever. It works ok. Well, HE detergent is pretty much sandbox so we can talk about that stuff there :-)
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Post# 35164-12/20/2003-20:34 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: "Wow" is all I can say...that is so cool. I really like Speed Queens in teh 50s era...gotta love that tall-vane agitator, looks so cool. Congratulatios, Robert, on that rare find!
Rich
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Post# 35165-12/20/2003-21:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwasher parts (Sears "
Bewitched"
dishwasher drain pump part number)
MESSAGE: I sure do, for you and anyone else who can maybe help track it down.
Sears part #803880
Wish there was some way to actually FIX it, it pumps fine, just leaks.
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Post# 35166-12/21/2003-01:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (wash-and-soak)
MESSAGE: Thank you for explaining, my guess was a bit wrong... This is really cool, very flexible.
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Post# 35167-12/21/2003-02:19 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (Can anyone spell...)
MESSAGE: Can anyone spell A P E X out there?????
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Post# 35168-12/21/2003-07:41 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: Mona Lisa Smile is in theaters now. The movie features Robert's 1952 Frigidaire set.
It's a chick flick but if you wanna see the laundry set, go see it.
Lord of the Rings for me!
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Post# 35169-12/21/2003-08:53 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: Why the timer rebuild? Will not advance or misses a cycle? That timer can be rebuilt by you if done carefully. Sometimes the contacts just need to be tightened. So when they come together they are tighter & make better contact. Vintage timers are very crude & simlpe. Look forward to seeing pictures of your Mobile Maid . I have the owners guide for use but no parts numbers if that is any help. The whole cycle takes 20 min start to finnish & the lid pops up when done. Michael
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Post# 35170-12/21/2003-12:59 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, That is a very interesting machine. That is one Speed Queen that I sure don't remember. Thanks for sharing the great pictures with us. My guess for the new set is Apex,at least that is what I am hoping for you.
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Post# 35171-12/21/2003-13:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: Mike, thanks for the tips, I appreciate the feedback and input, it is very helpful. The timer currently only advances into the first rinse and then stops ....... The knob is VERY DIFFICULT TO TURN, almost afraid I am going to break it as I advance it, can I lube it ?? It appears to be attached to a chain from the actual knob down to the timer. The machine also does not fill, and water leaks everywhere but I have not taken the back off yet. I hope I can rebuild the fill valve if that is the problem. OH and by the way does yours drain on the slow/weak side ?? Is that normal ?? It seems ok ..... thanks again, -gregm
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Post# 35172-12/21/2003-13:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (57sq)
MESSAGE: LOVE that SQ, love the solid, stainless tub .........
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Post# 35173-12/21/2003-14:51 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: I would try to lube the chain & gears on the outside of the timer first. Make sure the chain does not jump off. If you have to remove the chain notice a larger link in the chain & mark the timer gear so you know where the chain goes when replacing it. If you have to remove the timer to lube it just pay attention, it is a simple mechanical timer, easy to figure out. do what it takes to make it turn freely, it might be as simple as a jumped chain. I removed mine, gave it a quick tune up & replaced it in a weekend. The drain pump is a week one but is more than strong enough to do the job, this is normal. This is a very small drain pump. Good luck & keep us posted. Michael
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Post# 35174-12/21/2003-15:40 ||| Bill-MO (Brookline Station, MO)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Sand Test video
MESSAGE: While watching the 2-part Westinghouse Sand Test video, I was curious if the 3 competing top loaders were of the solid tub washers and not the perforated tubs. Seems to make sense that with a solid tub, the sand disposal would be a lot less than with a perforated tub.
Hope all is well and looking forward to Christmas.
Bill
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Post# 35175-12/21/2003-15:47 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (Can anyone spell...)
MESSAGE: That's what I was hoping for, but he says he already has one washer of this type, not that he HAD a washer like this. Either way, it will be something spectacular because, after all, he is Rober Seger...
-ph
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Post# 35176-12/21/2003-15:52 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Sand Test video
MESSAGE: solid tubs all...
Norge
Frigidaire
GE (right? or did we say the last one was Easy?)
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Post# 35177-12/21/2003-19:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: Yes I can remember those-Didn't they also have metal agitators-Looked like aluminum.The later models(used at an apartment house laundramat in the early 70'S) those had plastic straight tall vane agitiators. They had the metal agitator cap.These also deep rinsed-The washer started agitating when it was about 3/4 full and continued until the top of the agitator was over the water.It agitated another minute or two then really Spun!!Would like to find one of those 50's SQ.
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Post# 35178-12/21/2003-19:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: Largest link in the chain-the master link. I deal with these in our transmitters. The chains are on the coil and capacitor tune drives.Like a belt you may have to tension the chain to keep it on the sprockets. If you can't tension it by moving one of the components the chain turns-you will have to remove a link or two.(this would be for really stretched chains)The master link is the one that has a drive pin in it that can be easilly removed.-this allows the chain to be opened for easier removal-installation-esp if it goes around several sprockets.
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Post# 35179-12/21/2003-19:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Sand Test video
MESSAGE: I also have this commercail-found it on a set of commercial recorded onto DVD's I found at Best Buy.Yes-it makes sense with sand disposal-the solid tubs could deal best with debris that floats.Since the sand won't float-the solid tubs can't flush it away.I would also think a steady diet of sand would be bad for the washers pump-not to mention clogging up your main drain line.These to only like to deal with waste that floats. Does the Westy washer have a sand or solids trap to allow to remove the sand from the trap before it goes to your plumbing? Certainly would save you a costly "roto-rooter" job.
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Post# 35180-12/21/2003-19:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: Commented on SQ on an earlier entry-Saw this and WOW-beautiful-COOL machine.I did see and watch one like this when I was little-one of those that friends had. Watched work when we visited.Would love to have one-one of the few machines I can have because of space.I need a basement!!From the pictures it appears to have a metal agitator.-and a stainless steel tub._ such a tub would practically last forever!!
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Post# 35181-12/21/2003-20:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Sand Test video
MESSAGE: I think I will watch and pause the DVD video of it I have and see if I can identify the other machines involvedin the test.Makes sense they could be Norge,Frigidaire,and GE.
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Post# 35182-12/21/2003-20:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: I am curious-what does the chain in the timer drive?Its quite rare you find chains in appliances.In my work I have found them in various types of broadcast transmitters-esp if a tuning control has to move several components at once.
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Post# 35183-12/21/2003-22:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip
MESSAGE: I played with a early 60s SQ and it was fun. It had the metal agitator and the solid tub. The spin did haul butt around 710rpm(?).
Old solid tubs machines are much fun.
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Post# 35184-12/22/2003-08:46 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: hello....lots of earlier appliances used chains because the timers of the day were quite bulky, and they wanted to have the timer dial in a more convenient spot. The MobileMaid had the timer mounted under the tub. You might notice that several dishwashers of that era had timers located on the bottom of the unit (KitchenAid, Frigidaire and the Westy roll-outs) The problem with lubricating the chain is that it attracts dust and gums up.
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Post# 35185-12/22/2003-10:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ?? (thanks))
MESSAGE: Thank you Mike! The timer chain seems difficult to get to ?? Can you pull the front outer timer knob off ?? Does the entire outer cabinet come off ?? or only the back panel covering the fill valve and hoses ........, I am going to try and look at the fill valve today to see why its leaking so badly ........ regards,-gregm
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Post# 35186-12/22/2003-10:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: thanks for the info, but from what I could see, from the bottom with the machine on its side, the chain seems tight/tense enough .....
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Post# 35187-12/22/2003-10:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: The control knob in the upper center front portion of the cabinet has a chain attached and then attached at the timer itself in the front, lower right hand side.
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Post# 35188-12/22/2003-10:49 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: I am not a huge fan of WD-40, which is why I ask here before trying it ....... I don't want to try something and add a problem or make things worse ...........
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Post# 35189-12/22/2003-12:01 ||| Tkarl (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
Pink Maytag Washer & Dryer
MESSAGE: Hello all, Any advice on how or where to sell a 1958 pink Maytag washer and dryer? They both work, and are in great condition, but the heating element just went out in the dryer. Any help would be greatly apprectiated. Thanks!
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Post# 35190-12/22/2003-15:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: Well we had a nice little road trip down to Springfield, IL and pick up this beauties. The machines look almost brand new, both inside and out. The gentleman who I got the machines from told me they were his grandmothers who hardly used them because she prefered her wringer and usually hung stuff up in the basement to dry...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/newset.jpg
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Post# 35191-12/22/2003-16:46 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 35192-12/22/2003-17:38 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Congrats on finding the set!
Those are neat washers. Can't wait to see them in action.
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Post# 35193-12/22/2003-17:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: Oh
My
God
Becky
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They are out of this world!!! Does your original become a parts doner?
Absolutely fabulous!!!
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Post# 35194-12/22/2003-18:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (timer rebuild ??)
MESSAGE: Thats very interesting-good thing to know. I haven't worked much on older dishwashers.In most transmitter applications you usally don't lube the chains.I would think in your dishwasher it wouldn't need lubing either since the load is light and speed of the chain is low.In the large tx drives I deal with at this short wave
tx plant the chains are more heavily loaded.The drive motor is 1 hp and is a gearmotor. The chain moves a very large coil.These drives need to be lubed. We use standard motorcycle chain lube.The chain also drives several sprockets. Most of the smaller commercail TX drives were smaller-they were driven by the crank knob on the TX panel or a very small motor.And oh yea-the Tx's are General Electric and were built in the early 1960's.
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Post# 35195-12/22/2003-18:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (YAY for Philco)
MESSAGE: Hi Peter, thanks for the congrats.
No, it's too rare of a washer to break down just for parts. What I'm going to do is take the best parts of both and make one excelent machine and take the other parts and make one very good machine. As you may remember from the convention, my machine runs fine, it just needs some snubber work to quite it down during spin. I had pulled a new snubber cup out of a machine on the farm so I should have enough good parts to make two good working machines. When I'm done with that I'll try and find a good home for the 2nd machine (possibly the dryer too), either by trading or selling.
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Post# 35196-12/22/2003-18:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (YAY for Philco)
MESSAGE: Videos videos videos
If you have the chance can you make some videos?
Robert puts the FUN in classic appliances.
Two old machines still living in HARMONY.
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Post# 35197-12/22/2003-18:42 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: wow...beautiful set Robert! Congratulations! How do you do it???
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Post# 35198-12/22/2003-19:10 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Road Trip's New Set)
MESSAGE: Robert,
This is real great
Are you going to take live pictures
Peter
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Post# 35199-12/22/2003-19:50 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I can't get over that set! They look showroom new!
Is there anything wrong with the washer at all and dryer at all?
I bet that you were so excited when you saw them! What a great Christmas gift for yourself.
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent
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Post# 35200-12/22/2003-19:59 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Thats a keeper!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on finding these!! What a beautiful pair!! Obviously well worth the trip!
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Post# 35201-12/22/2003-20:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: I'm speechless. Can't say a thing. whew!!!!
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Post# 35202-12/22/2003-20:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (congrads)
MESSAGE: STUNNING !!!!
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Post# 35203-12/22/2003-20:33 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (YAY for Philco)
MESSAGE: Hmm, is ther dryer gas or electric? May have to start saving my pennies.
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Post# 35204-12/22/2003-21:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (YAY for Philco)
MESSAGE: Oh my! I'm getting the vapors...
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Post# 35205-12/22/2003-22:20 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (YAY for Philco)
MESSAGE: Robert you must have been a very good boy this year!! Santa sure found a great gift for you!! Congratulations they are just stunning. They look like they just came off the dealers show room floor. Can't wait for some more pictures. Terry
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Post# 35206-12/22/2003-22:23 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
Merry Christmas
MESSAGE: I will be leaving home tomorrow and won't have computer access for a few days so I wanted to take this opportunity to wish all of you in Applianceville a very Merry Christmas. Terry
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Post# 35207-12/22/2003-23:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (YAY for Philco)
MESSAGE: Whoa! Incredible. Appnut and I talked about this find last night, figuring it was either an ABC or a very old GE. Couldn't possibly be a Automagic or Miss America, that's too rare to even consider! It's the mysterious machine from my childhood that I never got to see run, until that visit to Robert's basement. I sure would like a chance at having one.
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Post# 35208-12/22/2003-23:36 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: First of all I like to thanks those who has picked up some great winners for their laundry collection with in the past few weeks and I would like to know if this the true, un-retouch photos of the philco machines and what camera are you using to get such perfect pictures?!?!
Please let your fans know!
Larry
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Post# 35209-12/23/2003-00:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone for all the congrats, I'm very excited about this find. I never thought I would find another solid basket Automagic ever again, I was truley amazed.
Hi Larry, I'm using my Sony DSC-350 1.3megapixel camera, its the one I've had for quite a few years now and I'm very happy with it. As for the pictures, the only thing I do to them is bring them into Photoshop and use a sharpening filter to make them even more crisp as well as cropping the pictures to make them as small as possible.
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Post# 35210-12/23/2003-00:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas
MESSAGE: Hi Terry, Happy Holidays to you! Might Santa bring another pink vacuum?
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Post# 35211-12/23/2003-00:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (YAY for Philco)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, the dryer is electric. The drum looks so shiny like its right out of the factory.
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Post# 35212-12/23/2003-00:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, mechanically I have no idea what kind of shape they are in. I have a few projects in line in front of the Philco's, I just began working on restoring my 1959 RCA color television set. After that is completed (and vintage tv's can take quite a bit of time) I'm going to work on the Speed Queen, then it will be the Philco's turn. I'll keep you posted.
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Post# 35213-12/23/2003-00:58 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pink Maytag Washer & Dryer
MESSAGE: I would be interested in them! Do you have any pics of them? If you do.. email them to me, would love to see them!! I have a '56 "Timefill" maytag washer. Love the old maytag washers and dryers!
Rich
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Post# 35214-12/23/2003-02:00 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: Wow!!! That's a smashing set! Congrats!!
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Post# 35215-12/23/2003-02:10 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT:
Happy Holidays
MESSAGE: I know I'm going to be going in all directions from now on out, holiday-wise...that's the fate of a professional musician with SEVEN part-time jobs.
So let me take this insomniac opportunity to wish each one of you the best this holiday season has to offer: spiritual refreshment, joyous, relaxing time with loved ones, and, hopefully, a "jump-start" on a prosperous and peaceful 2004.
Sincerely,
Mark
"Activator"
(plus greetings from Victor, Cho-Cho, Templeton Von Rodent, Florabelle Felicity, and Napoleon Eclair!)
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Post# 35216-12/23/2003-04:47 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (congrads)
MESSAGE: Far out, fabulous, groovy and dreamy!! This is absolutely unbelievable, Robert. HOW did all this come about???
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Post# 35217-12/23/2003-05:31 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Road Trip's New Set)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Isn't your new philco set just like the 2nd group in todays POD? About what year (was this early 60's models)?
Is the machine you just obtained the smaller version of the philco? Or is this their bigger 1/18 version that I heard they made. (cause the tub looks big in the pic)
I never had the privlegde of watching one of these babies run. Is it exciting like the frig or kelv?
Have a very Happy Holiday
Peter
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Post# 35218-12/23/2003-06:03 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Roberts washer heaven!)
MESSAGE: Robert I'm green with envy. You got my whole goat and the barn to boot with the Speed QUeen and now this...! I'll aknowledge it publicly--They're M I N T!
grrrhh!
jon
Merry Hanamas and Happy Chrisnukah to all! Enjoy your holiday season and have a big scotch on me!
jon Y aloysius ( who is still sleeping in!!! )
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Post# 35219-12/23/2003-06:14 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Awesome, just simply awesome!
Those are true classics!
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Post# 35220-12/23/2003-06:15 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas
MESSAGE: Question? did anybody ever come across a GE upright with a retractable cord?
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Post# 35221-12/23/2003-06:26 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: I had a aunt who done the same thing when her DH brought a automatic and threw her wringer away! And would you believe she hated the new machine because she feel that her clothes was not washed long enough in the new machine that she made him go back to the dump and parted the new washer and placed her wringer inside the cabinet! *de jamaicans are funny people when it come to timer controlled automatic!*
LOL
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Post# 35222-12/23/2003-06:31 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Awesome!!)
MESSAGE: What an wonderful find. I always thought that Philco made some of the most handsome machines ever built and these are no exception. I agree they look showroom new. They had such a small market share (at least here in New Jersey) that I never got to see them in action. PLEASE put them both in the museum.
You've already documented the time and effort that you put into to restoring your original Philco. (I know it was a labor of love.) It would be a pity if you didn't hang onto to both.
Enjoy!
Mike
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Post# 35223-12/23/2003-07:57 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Those Philcos are gorgeous!
Is that an advertising tag on the front? I love little details like that being saved. Do you have the instruction books too? I bought a new stove in 1987 and kept the sales brochure and got a poster for it from the showroom. The company has since disappeared and one day it will be a classic...
Inside the tub of your Philco washer, there looks to be pairs of plastic pins, bolt heads or something around the basket, one upper and one lower at each position. What are they about?
Congratulations.
Chris.
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Post# 35224-12/23/2003-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (congrads)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony, I simply got an email for a person inquiring about a Philco washer and dryer that was in his grandmothers basement.
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Post# 35225-12/23/2003-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Road Trip's New Set)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete,
Yes you are correct, todays POD is one of the pieces of literature that I got with the set. This machine is a 1959 model and its from the very first year that Philco introduced the "High-Frequency" flapping wash action. The tub is the 10lb style which was used only in '59 or so. Around '60 or '61 they came out with a 12lb (or so tub) then in the mid 60's with a 14-16lb tub.
I wouldn't say the wash action is as exciting like a Frigidaire or ABC, but its fun to watch none the less.
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Post# 35226-12/23/2003-09:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, yes that is the original store hang-tag that I got with the machine, along with both owners manuals and installation instructions.
Those "Pairs of Plastic Pins" you asked about are to hold the tub liner to the spin tub. Even though you see perforations in the tub, this is actually a solid basket washer, with a perforated liner. It was used to trap sand and help send it over the top of the tub.
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Post# 35227-12/23/2003-13:45 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas (General Electric Uprights W/ Cord Reels)
MESSAGE: I am assuming that your talking about vacuum cleaners, and if you are....I would like to suggest that you become a memeber of Hooverland w/ is a group in the Yahoo engine. There are about 200+ memebers all who collect, and help to find vintage cleaners for others.
I myself have three General Electric Uprights, and three canisters. Two of my uprights have cord reels and all of the canisters do.
My General Electric Cord-Reel Upright is two tone green with wood trim on the front of the cord reel and the huge GENERAL (ge)ELECTRIC logo in chrome letters. It has a 2 speed upright motor w/ a safety switch that if the machine is turned on, and you put the handle in the (upright position)it shuts off the motor automatically. This machine was current circa 1968.
My Premier Cord-Reel Upright is two tone grey w/ white trim. The cord reels on both of these have a 17 ft. cord. This one has a two suction levels controlled by a switch w/lowers suction speed supposeldy good for some things. Both of these machines use large flatbelts, like the Singer Twin Fan machines of the same period.
My third upright is a Premier Commercial...identical to the one above...except no cord reel. and All black w/Orange Trim, levers and switches.
The General Electric uprights that featured cord-reels were always (as with most other manufacturers) high end TOL machines that were very expesive in their day. In fact in 1968, when my General Electric Cord Reel was new, including attachments this machine sold for like $129.95 with inflation and in todays market---this would probably be a $400-600 dollar machine.
They are EXCELLENT well built tanklike machines that are not really that heavy. They have excellent cleaning characteristics and have a Beaterbrush Agitator with doublebrush constuuction- Looked like a Hoover Convertible agitator without the metal beater bars. The hose connection on all of them was thru a portole located in the back righthand side corner of the cleaner base.
A control lever on the side of the motor hood on all three converted the machine over for tools. This same switch also set the height adjustment to shag so your brush wouldnt constantly brush at the carpet nap and ruin it. In the GE though, when you plugged in the hose,it had a special switch to set the machines motor at high no matter what position the power switch was in.
I really do love mine, and use them quite often if the chance presents itself.
As I have said---Check e-bay and try asking people on Hooverland. you may well just find one.
Thanks
Chad
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Post# 35228-12/23/2003-15:51 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Wow- What A Pair of Machines!
MESSAGE: The Philcos are WONDERFUL!
(Of course, you already know that)These just prove that they're out there, somewhere- sounds like an old song, and you don't want to hear me sing, either. Oh well...
Have a Merry Christmas, everyone in Applianceville
Jerry
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Post# 35229-12/23/2003-16:11 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT:
Belt-Driven WP Washer Videos
MESSAGE: When will I be able to see the Whirlpool Imperial Seventy in action? I'm eager to see this machine in action. How would this machine react to an off-balance load?
Christopher
P.S.
I wonder why SQ isn't made by Amana anymore. Why did Amana quit making SQs.
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Post# 35230-12/23/2003-16:14 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
twins
MESSAGE: well the day has finally arrived i am now the proud parent of twins it took a long time bit its finally happened found a match for my 51 westinghouse dryer and the laundromat came today what a wonderful christmas present cigars and photo upon request ha ha want to thank george h for tipping me off to this great find merry christmas to all and a wonderful and safe new year always chris
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Post# 35231-12/23/2003-16:33 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: twins (Twins--my pleasure & Holidays & New Year's Wishes)
MESSAGE: My pleasure; may you enjoy the Twins in good health for as many more years as they've already been on the planet.
Same wishes for safe travel, good health & happiness to everyone for the Holidays and 2004.
And, while I'm in there plugging, a wish for myself that the Spirit of Laundromats Ppast will arrange for a 1954 model to match my '54 Westinghouse dryer to arrive at my garage door in the near future.
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Post# 35232-12/23/2003-18:37 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: This is for those of you who have wondered how a dishwasher works...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/detail?.dir=/Mail+Attachments&.dnm=dishwasher.jpg
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Post# 35233-12/23/2003-18:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (WOW!)
MESSAGE: The RCA 1959 color TV-COOL-Used to work on those and the RCA transmitters of that era that broadcast to them!Wish you luck. The problems I had were trying to get good rebuilt "round jug" picture tubes those sets used.The rebuilder would replace the guns but not the phospers!! Those were what failed frequently in those early color tubes.Your set was one of the very early color sets from when they were first introduced.The transmitters I dealt with were owned by stations that used them as Aux transmitters to back up a newer one.
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Post# 35234-12/23/2003-18:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: must be the prewash & lick cycle!!
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Post# 35235-12/23/2003-18:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Belt-Driven WP Washer Videos
MESSAGE: Would like to see this as well-A whirlpool fan.Yes I have an imperial-but am open to see others-particularly at work.I guess at some point I will need a camera to film mine.
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Post# 35236-12/23/2003-19:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas (General Electric Uprights W/ Cord Reels)
MESSAGE: I can remember the "premier" brand vacs. I ordered one for one the radio stations to clean the floors of a manned Tx site.-Yes they did a carpeted floor.It was a Mastercraft named machine.It died after ingesting several screws from the floor.It did have a port on it for attachments.They were not available from the janitorial supply company I ordered it from.It did clean well.After it died I replaced it with a metal Royal upright ordred from the same janitor supply house.When I ordered-the Premier type vacs were no longer available.The builder went belly up.The station still has the Royal vac-it is now about 25Yrs old.The attachment speed control of the premier is like that on a Kirby.Switches to high speed when you use the hose. The handle switch on one of yours is like that on new Koblentz uprights. The Koblentz switches on when you move the handle down.
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Post# 35237-12/23/2003-21:45 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas (General Electric Uprights W/ Cord Reels)
MESSAGE: Did you ever hear of a Premier Duplex vacuum? I own a restored model that was a wedding gift to my grandmother in 1921. It features the revolving brush,with a flat belt,motor suction,and a dust bag that is reused. As I understand it,the company that made this vacuum was later bought out by General Electric. The Premier Duplex I own was passed down from my grandmother,to my mother,and then to me. It is built like a tank,but is still lightweight to use.I use it to clean the 2nd storey,and stairway of my home.Has anyone else ever heard of this brand of vacuum?
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Post# 35238-12/24/2003-01:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: I think it's the energy saving, fast cycle. Runs lickity spit.
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Post# 35239-12/24/2003-02:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: twins
MESSAGE: Congratulations, how wonderful you found the matching washer to your dryer. I sure would love to see some pictures!
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Post# 35240-12/24/2003-02:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: ROFLMAO!!! That's a cycle my dishwasher hasn't!!!
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Post# 35241-12/24/2003-06:28 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
Happy Holidays Everyone
MESSAGE: I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy and Safe Holiday Season. And that everyone gets there wish. Merry Christmas to All!!
Doug
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Post# 35242-12/24/2003-07:54 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: The trouble with these is that they don't do a good job on the things in the upper rack...
-ph
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Post# 35243-12/24/2003-08:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: The "Beagle" model would do a fine job, given enough time...
Happy Holidays everyone!!
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Post# 35244-12/24/2003-08:18 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: I always thought that cycle was kinda RUFF! on the dishes.
The DishDawg by Fido & Paykel
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Post# 35245-12/24/2003-08:26 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: Thanks very much for that picture. I have a 9 year old yellow lab that is pretty sick right now. Seeing that picture reminds me of the good times we've had.
Happy holidays
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Post# 35246-12/24/2003-08:48 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works (How A dishwasher works)
MESSAGE: I do have the Beagle model, who does it the same way. You don't even need detergent or anything. Sometimes the silverware disappears though... oh well, it usually shows up under the kitchen table eventually. He also just looks up every so often with a "is that all there is" look on his face
Jerry
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Post# 35247-12/24/2003-08:54 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Philco Twins
MESSAGE: I never knew the model was called "Predicta"
Anyone else notice how many similarities there are between the washer/dryer and Ford's autos of the late 50's/early 60's?
Wasn't there a Ford named Invicta... like Fairlaine or Galaxy Invicta?....rhymes with Predicta.
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Post# 35248-12/24/2003-09:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Twins (Philco is/was Ford)
MESSAGE: Philco was made by Ford at some point in history.
We had a 1968 Philco console stereo with VM record changer. On the reciever/amp part of the system it had the word Philco and right next to it the Ford logo.
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Post# 35249-12/24/2003-09:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
HappyHol
MESSAGE: Happy Holidays to everyone .........
best regards -gregm
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Post# 35250-12/24/2003-09:45 ||| VARIFLEXPGHPA (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Twins (The Invicta)
MESSAGE: There was a Buick model called an INVICTA. It was based on the Le Sabre
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Post# 35251-12/24/2003-09:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: HappyHol
MESSAGE: Happy Holidays to everyone!
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Post# 35252-12/24/2003-10:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: twins
MESSAGE: Wow, congrats Chris. Happy slant-front washing! Does the machine need much work? Any chance of taking a peek with some pictures, we would love to see it.
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Post# 35253-12/24/2003-10:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Yes this will my fourth vintage television restoration. The picture tube seems just fine, I started with just a loud buzz and nothing else. Now I've got the power, IF and video sections working and have sound and an bright but out of sync picture. Next I need to recap the Horizontal section and see if I can get the picture to lock in. This is my first attempt at a vintage color set, so I've been reading everything I can on vintage tube color circuits. I've restored a few 40's BW sets and love working with them.
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Post# 35254-12/24/2003-10:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: how a dishwasher works
MESSAGE: Yes, it seems that Gladys' favorite appliance is the dishwasher too. There no's keeping her head out of the dw when dirty dishes are going in, she likes to help pre-rinse.
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Post# 35255-12/24/2003-10:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Twins (Predicta)
MESSAGE: Neither did I and I was quite shocked when I saw that brochure. "Predicta" was Philco's funky designed television sets of the late 50's.
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Post# 35256-12/24/2003-10:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: HappyHol
MESSAGE: YAY, Happy Holidays Applianceville!
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Post# 35257-12/24/2003-10:43 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: HappyHol
MESSAGE: Season's Greetings from the Great White North, Applianceville!
BTW that Philco set is just immaculate Robert. Thanks for posting those pictures.
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Post# 35258-12/24/2003-10:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (color TV repair.)
MESSAGE: I once got a 1970s Zenith TV working properly but it took lots of tweaking with the guns. I used the service manual but it was alot of work. You have to give the guns the proper output level and make sure the convergence is right or you'll have psychedellic pictures on your screen.
Good luck.
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Post# 35259-12/24/2003-10:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Twins (Predicta)
MESSAGE: I saw at one time rebuilt Predictas with a modern Japanese color tube and circuit board installed. I know, sounds blasphemous but I bet would be a cool retromod appliance for the bedroom or something.
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Post# 35260-12/24/2003-10:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Classic Kenmore kitchen on Bewitched
MESSAGE: I was watching Bewitched last night and they showed the kitchen of Darrin Steven's parents. Look at the avocado Kenmore oven and fridge!
Or was that Kenmore? I think it is.
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Post# 35261-12/24/2003-10:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: HappyHol
MESSAGE: I hope Santa doesn't drop those Harmonies out of his sleigh while he's trying to deliver presents.
Man, with all us appliance junkies, Santa had to upgrade his sleigh to a Freightliner truck. It's red and white and says "North Pole" on the side. The license plate "HOHOHO"
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Post# 35262-12/24/2003-12:26 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: HappyHol
MESSAGE: Ditto from the South.
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Post# 35263-12/24/2003-12:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: twins
MESSAGE: Chris was kind enough to send me a few pictures of his new "twins" to share with the club...
Thanks Chris!
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Christwesty.jpg
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Post# 35264-12/24/2003-13:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Thats a keeper!)
MESSAGE: I'm glad to see an appliance in the livingroom. I think no livingroom could do without something as nice looking as that!!!
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Post# 35265-12/24/2003-13:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD Unimatic horse blanket washer
MESSAGE: Now I can think of better things to wash than horse blankets in a Unimatic.
Little did they know that in 1981, a terrible thing would have happened. Wicked Consolidated Industries would've eaten them alive.
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Post# 35266-12/24/2003-14:25 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Happy Holidays
MESSAGE: Happy Holidays to all of you. Best wishes for a great new year filled with lots of vintage appliance discoveries. Now that I am starting to feel better, I find myself craving a new machine for the collection!!! Have a safe holiday! Todd
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Post# 35267-12/24/2003-14:26 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Unimatic horse blanket washer (Unimatic horse blanket washer )
MESSAGE: Yes I noticed that 1981 also
funny they mentioned that year
It was in January 1981 that the tragety took place and Frigidaire became wci
Peter
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Post# 35268-12/24/2003-14:27 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
Happy Holidays!
MESSAGE: I want to wish everyone in my favorate club a Happy and Healthy Holiday and a Great New Year
Jetaction to all
Peter
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Post# 35269-12/24/2003-14:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (Timer chain drive)
MESSAGE: The timer on my 1962 Sears dishwasher has a chain drive from the knob to the timer. It also has a strange set up in that there are TWO separate timers. There are 2 cycles, Light and Heavy. From what I can gather, if set for Heavy, the timer attached to the control knob runs, hands off control to the second timer, which extends the cycle. The second timer then hands control back to the first timer, which completes the cycle and shuts off. Anybody ever see a timer arrangement like this before in an appliance?
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Post# 35270-12/24/2003-14:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (WD-40)
MESSAGE: WD-40 doesn't work ALL the time for EVERY situation, but it's good for a lot of things. Lubrication of the chain and timer is one thing I've found it works well in, since it's light and doesn't gum up, or attract dust. I've used it on several timers and electric clocks and it's freed them and got them running again. One has to sort of "analyze" each situation and decide if WD-40 is appropriate. All I can say is that I've had good luck with clocks or clock related things(like timers)
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Post# 35271-12/24/2003-14:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Holidays (HEY)
MESSAGE: Glad to hear your feeling better :-)
I was getting worried. Yeah, hopefully yule find one.
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Post# 35272-12/24/2003-15:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Good pictures)
MESSAGE: Maybe I should use this opportunity to bring up something about he. When I clicked on the link, it took me to a excellent picture of the pair, then, without any action from me, another window appeared with 3 not-so-good pics of the pair in it. I couldn't find a way to get back to the original pic. Even when I went back to the original link in the posting, it jumped straight to the 3 pic window. This also happened with the 1957 Speed Queen pics. What's happening and how do I fix it?
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Post# 35273-12/24/2003-15:56 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (WD-40)
MESSAGE: someone else told me to just put a drop of oil on the timer shaft itself and that is all, anything else getting on the contacts themselves could cause arcing and shorten the lives of the contacts or in fact ruin them ...................
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Post# 35274-12/24/2003-16:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Twins (Invicta...)
MESSAGE: Was a MOL Buick model starting in 1959
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Post# 35275-12/24/2003-17:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (WD-40)
MESSAGE: That's a possibility, though it hasn't happened to anything I've done yet. to avoid that possibility, you might want confine it to the actual timer motor itself, nothing in there to mess up.
Timer and drain pump motors in my Grandmother's 1963 Frigidaire dishwasher were frozen from years of non-use, sprayed them down and they came to life and have been working ever since.
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Post# 35276-12/24/2003-18:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas (General Electric Uprights W/ Cord Reels)
MESSAGE: I meant to ask about the hose attachment for the premier-Did the motor in the premier switch to high speed when the hose was inserted? I was wondering if that worked like the Kirbys.Also the "premier-Mastercraft" vac had a shutter that closed off the fan intake on the floor nozzle if the hose port was used.The hose attached to the side of the vac head.
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Post# 35277-12/24/2003-18:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (WOW!)
MESSAGE: It seemed when I worked on those sets I got ones that had bad pix tubes.On one of them the neck of the tube showed it had been rebuilt twice. The phospers were not replaced. The picture was a weak "pastel" look.I have some service books around my house somewhere-I've moved several times and don't know where I put them.It was books on RCA TV's Of course-the great thing about these tube sets is you could work on them.NO PC BOARDS!!You could change tubes and caps and keep-em going.Same with the RCA tx.One station I knew of had three transmitters-A 1948 vintage RCA,1970's vintage RCA-Then a present dated solid state Harris transmitter.On the Harris you can only get modules from them and no one else.At least with the tube models you can get tubes from several suppliers.Same with the other parts.Any of the Tx's the station had could be put on air. The 1948 RCA will not pass the chroma subcarrier.Broadcasts in monochrome-BW only.The station even asked me if I wanted to buy the old RCA tx. Couldn't-don't have space or the 3Ph power to run it.
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Post# 35278-12/24/2003-19:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (WD-40)
MESSAGE: Yes its good for lubing a freeing stuck parts. Just don't let it get into electrical contacts. Will arc and burn them.Its a lubricant and solvent. I sort of cringed when someone sluiced down the Frigidaire washer mechanism with it.-that was mentioned in one of the earlier entries.I would keep it away from such things.They sure did a good job of "lubing" its brakes!!
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Post# 35279-12/24/2003-19:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Thats a keeper!)
MESSAGE: The Westinghouse washer looks great!! I knew of someone that had an antique bathtub in his livingroom. I topped him and have my Shopsmiths in the livingroom.One is 1951 vintage and the other is 1985.I want to keep them in a conditioned space so they don't corrode. And they are handier there when I need to use them. I don't think anyone uses livingrooms much anymore.
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Post# 35280-12/24/2003-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (Timer chain drive)
MESSAGE: No-sounds very bizzare.Could the second timer and cycle been added later?
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Post# 35281-12/24/2003-19:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Thats a keeper!)
MESSAGE: ...or a Hoover washer??
Have a wonderful holiday!
Greg
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Post# 35282-12/24/2003-19:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: twins
MESSAGE: Excellent Chris - they are beautiful, I love the dryer in the living room too!
Here are some pics (although small sized in Yahoo now) of when I did my L5 Laundromat. This might give you some ideas about how to replace that boot we talked about before.
Best of luck - Greg
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/thesheerlook/album?.dir=/Westinghouse+Laundromat+L5+Restoration&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/thesheerlook/my_photos
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Post# 35283-12/24/2003-20:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Belt-Driven WP Washer Videos
MESSAGE: Isn't Amana (or the former amana) now part of the Maytag-Magic chef family? The SQ washers I used in a laudramat in the early '70's were marked as McGraw Edisen.These were in an apartment building laundry.
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Post# 35284-12/25/2003-00:00 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Unimatic horse blanket washer (1981 was not a good year)
MESSAGE: I cringe every time that Bob runs this POD. I agree that there's more than a little irony about the ad's mention of the year 1981.
Mike
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Post# 35285-12/25/2003-00:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (WD-40)
MESSAGE: You can also get WD-40 in bulk form(1 gal container)I got this at a farm supply store. The large can came with a pump type sprayer bottle. I like this best-you can then apply the WD-40 right where you need it instead of the areosol spray cans.
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Post# 35286-12/25/2003-00:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Unimatic horse blanket washer (1981 was not a good year)
MESSAGE: Didn't Maytag run ads like this years ago-they would suggest you buy a new Maytag-then they suggests "uses" like the Frigidaire ad you could use the old washer for.I remember seeing them in home type magazines.
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Post# 35287-12/25/2003-00:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
Purple Rose DVD videos
MESSAGE: Has anyone else ordered and seen the Purple Rose DVD movie "SuperSucker" I enjoyed it very much.Good "training" for Vac salesmen???
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Post# 35288-12/25/2003-01:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip's New Set (Good pictures)
MESSAGE: The three pictures you see are actually just one. What probably is happening is that your browser automatically resizes the picture to screen size. If you are using Internet Explorer, move your mouse off from the picture and back on again. At the bottom right of the picture there is an icon that you can click on to make it appear full size. You can also save the picture to your harddrive, even when it appears screen size it will save as a full size picture.
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Post# 35289-12/25/2003-02:40 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
General Electric /Premier Vacuum Cleaners
MESSAGE: Hi,
Just wanted to reply to the posts due vacuum cleaners that were made by the Premier Electric Company.
Firstly General Electric NEVER made any of it's own vacuum cleaners. They were all made by the Premier Company in Ohio. Premier Electric started making the Frantz Premier in the early 1920's, because Frantz was the name of the person who designed their first vacuum cleaner, and was part owner in the company. From the very beginning, General Electric contracted with Premier to build all of their floor cleaning appliances.
Every vacuum cleaner that General Electric ever offered was also offered at the same time as a Premier, often times selling for $20-50 more than the comperable GE model, and many times offering no more than what the GE did. So in a sense,it was Premier that introduced "Swivel-Top/Reach-Easy" cleaning to america...not so much GE. They were also the first to offer the first "Roll-Easy" vacuum that, took the work out of having to DRAG the machine mercifully around your home.
The Premier line continued in Canada for a time well into the late 1980's. In fact upon visiting Niagra Falls in 1988, You could still buy a Genuine GE Swivel Top With a Filter Queen Model 48 Powerhead for $79.88 at K-Mart off white and beige trim. And YES it WAS a K-Mart. You also had several versions of Premier, upright and canister models offered there too. But to my knowledge, I cant remember their being a Cord Reel Version Of any uprights.
After 1989, for whatever reason, all the older 60's and 70's style models of GE's and Premiers were discontinued, and General Electric vacuum cleaners were built off the old Regina Cyclonic Action canisters, with Douglas built powerheads. To my knowledge...there were no further GE uprights.
Both Premier Uprights that I own, have ONE speed motors, and there is a internal suction reducer that operates right off the agitator cavity to give you high carpet suction, and low carpet suction ( by releasing some of the suction pressure out of an air vent).
BUT because of the converter, that you move into positon by the Carpet/Tools lever that closes off the suction to that cavity to back up the suction to the rear hose converter outlet, there is...on the old GE hoses a suction reducer there to minimize suction. But it isn't all that stron, and I wouldn't even dare recommend you trying one with that hose reducer open.
On the General Electric however, there are two switches under the hood that operates the two speeds simultaneously.
On the hood to the left oth the handle, if you were looking from the rear,there was the main primary power switch, which is a large metal toggle type. When you flipped this switch on, The headlamp to the machine would come on, but there was no power to the motor. When you released the handle, a momentary type switch opened the power to the motor, and the Cleaner would come on in low speed, or regular carpet cleaning power @ 5.5 amp.
There was still the suction reducer, like the Premier that gave you a regular and lower carpet suction, again accomplished by an air vent- So essentially this was a three (air)speed cleaner if you think about it.
When you would insert the hose into the rear converter outlet, there is a small button- (like when you plug in a central vac) that tripped another momentary type switch that would shift (literally) the machine to high power 6.5 amp. When you took the hose out, it automatically shifted back to the lower speed.
However, on this one you still had the suction control lever that you had to push to select carpet or tools. This thereby closing the hole that sent the suction to the nozzle, and backing that up to go back to the hose port.
Suffice to say, that anyone here that doesn't still understand
this explanation; don't feel bad...I'm STILL baffled after all that I have ever learned about these machines, why their SO damned complicated.
But for thier complexity...I love them...just like everyone here loves the old Unimatic Drive in Frigidaires or the Centric Action Agitator in the Kelvinators or ABC's.
In fact, it's kind of ironic.....that machines that are complex in form, are the ones that are the most rare in cases after several decades after the machine left production.
In the GE/ Premier case...there are NO NOS stock parts available anymore except bags. These machines began to be junked by the late 1970's when Premier gave up the Ghost here in the USA.
And unlike most machines...I don't believe that anyone offered aftermarket replacement parts for these GE/ Premier machines either. Same all over anyway...how often really except on e-bay can you find any parts for a 1955 Frigidaire Unimatic...most NORMAL appliance places would laugh at you....tell you to stop wasting thier time...then hang up on you.
If you called ANY vacuum shop in your area, even the older established ones......There are NO parts. That is why these machines are now so hard to come by.
A tip.....If you ever come by ANY GE/Premier upright and it works..just buy it. To most who collect vacuum cleaners, which I must say must be right under washing machines as the most collected appliance in the world, you have FOUND THE HOLY GRAIL.
So yeah...Im done now
Have a SUPREME Christmas
Hope you get everthing that you wish for.....AND
You can be SURE...If It's Westinghouse....
I just love that slogan.
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Post# 35290-12/25/2003-06:42 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
MESSAGE: Just wanted to wish all of you a merry Christmas and to remember to keep Christ in Christmas.May you all find the love of God in our lord and saviour Jesus.
Peace to you all
Pat C
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Post# 35291-12/25/2003-10:27 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
Merry Christmas to Applianceville
MESSAGE: Merry Christmas guys. Hope Everyone has a great day.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/detail?.dir=/My+Folder&.dnm=Applianceville.jpg
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Post# 35292-12/25/2003-12:35 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
Merry Christmas Everyone!
MESSAGE: Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night!
Rich
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Post# 35293-12/25/2003-17:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas to Applianceville
MESSAGE: The link isn't working.
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Post# 35294-12/25/2003-17:50 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Unimatic horse blanket washer (1981 was not a good year)
MESSAGE: As far as I am aware, Robert does not manually change the Pictures-of-the-Day, although he does load them onto the server. There is an automatic process on the web server that randomly changes the selection every 24 hrs from the library of available images.
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Post# 35295-12/25/2003-17:52 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas Everyone!
MESSAGE: I hope all the residents of App'ville had a great Christmas 2003 (I know at least a couple who did, with those wonderful finds), and will have a safe and prosperous 2004!
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Post# 35296-12/25/2003-18:10 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
greg saves the day
MESSAGE: well as usual greg saved the day!! and this isnt the first time. having the pics to look at from his album really did the trick. not only do i, but the laundromat thanks you as well. she is so happy to finally have a new boot yeah
all the best to you thanks so much chris
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Post# 35297-12/25/2003-18:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Merry Christmas Everyone!
MESSAGE: Well, I guess the GE Harmony set that was supposed to go to my house fell off the sleigh but it still was a good Christmas.
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Post# 35298-12/25/2003-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: General Electric /Premier Vacuum Cleaners
MESSAGE: This is a very interesting and informative entry. I would like to have one of the GE-Premier vacs that had the polished metal bodies like a Royal or Kirby. Don't know what dates they were.As you say if you find one-buy it.The "mastercraft" machine I dealt with had a mostly plastic body-esp the fan housing.That was one of the parts I had to replace when the vac encountered some screws off the floor.The next time it happened was when I replaced it with the Royal.The vac suppliers had no parts whatsoever for the Premier -Mastercraft.When I fixed it the first time the fan was the only new part I could get. I had to use a body from a salvaged machine via the vac parts store.
On the swivel hose top cansiters-Air way came out with a swivel top model in the 1940-and 50s.The 1940's machine(nicknamed the fireplug airway)din't have wheels or rollers on the body. You set it in the middle of the room like the GE swivel top.The airway 1950's model had skids like the Electroluxes.That interseting Premier survived longer in Canada.I have a hand held GE-premier Vac. Still works. Given to me by a work collegue.His parents used to work for GE.Their household had GE appliances.
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Post# 35299-12/25/2003-19:39 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
Merry Christmas to App;ianceville
MESSAGE: Sorry for the bad link. I think that I got it fixed. I found this Card and I only had to change one Word on it. But how fitting for this group. Hope everyone has had a great holiday
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/detail?.dir=/My+Folder&.dnm=Applianceville.jpg
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Post# 35300-12/25/2003-19:39 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
Merry Christmas to Applianceville
MESSAGE: Sorry for the bad link. I think that I got it fixed. I found this Card and I only had to change one Word on it. But how fitting for this group. Hope everyone has had a great holiday
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/detail?.dir=/My+Folder&.dnm=Applianceville.jpg
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Post# 35301-12/25/2003-20:48 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Unimatic horse blanket washer (1981 was not a good year)
MESSAGE: Cool. I was wondering how it worked. Thanks for the explanation. :-)
Mike
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Post# 35302-12/26/2003-03:58 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: General Electric /Premier Vacuum Cleaners
MESSAGE: programcomputer;
One of us may be confused. You are right about Premier's beginnings. GE did not have vacuum cleaners until they were made by Premier. To my understanding, GE later took over Premier. Remember, GE does not like being second to no one. Hence, their decision to get out of the vacuum cleaner line in 1972.
You said, "Every vacuum cleaner that General Electric ever offered was also offered at the same time as a Premier". I can say that I never saw a Premier ReachEasy, RollEasy,etc. I started seeing Premier vacuum cleaners after GE stopped production of vacuum cleaners in the USA. Their(Premier's) swivel tops used motors that were very noisey. I found Premiers in stores until about 1980.
I have seen General Electric(Canadian General Electric) vacuum cleaners from Canada that were the old Regina canisters. There is the model CV100A from 1981 and the CP172C, from 1983, that come to mind. I have not seen the nameplate under the vacuum; to see who really owns this vacuum cleaner. My belief is that it is "made for" another company. You see this with the Westinghouse vacuum cleaners today. They are old Fantom designs for Salton. You see, this old Regina style was also seen under the BLACK & DECKER name in Canada. For a very short time, I saw this "Regina style" vacuum in the the USA. It was made in Canada and exported to the US. It was called VACTECH or TECHVAC. This was around 1983. The vacuum sold for approx. $150 in a vac shop.
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Post# 35303-12/26/2003-16:18 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: General Electric /Premier Vacuum Cleaners (General Electric Vacuum Cleaner Info----)
MESSAGE: GeSwivel-
You may well be right, but I know for a fact that Premier Electric was still a viable company until around 1982 or so. I know because I wrote them in late summer...sometime in July 1981,and they replied with a letter that they could NOT send me any information on their current vacuum cleaner line, because it was all being discontinued, December 1981. I tried to call them in the spring of 1982, just to make sure that they "actually closed", and the number in Cleveland Ohio was disconnected.
This also fits, because my Commercial Upright had a build date stamped in white ink under(on black base) of 81079. this translates out into August, 10 1979. I have asked experts on the issue (old time vac collectors) and was told that many GE and Premier cleaners had thier build dates on them...you just needed to know where to find them. My Cord Reel Premier has a build date of 120373, and my General Electric Cord Reel Upright has a date of 73071.
GE never took over Premier on the physical sense, Premeir Electric stayed pretty much a "independent" vacuum cleaner company. However, in a buisness sense they did by offering Premier Electric huge contracts to build large quantities of cleaners for them, and management/product planning ideas.
OF COURSE Premeir couldn't use the same monikers as the General Electric versions. That was all General Electric's jargon for thier stuff. The Premier versions all use different names- like my Premier CordReel upright is called the Premier Speed-Clean Cordamatic. My GE version is called quite simply "The General Electric Duo-Speed w/Cord Reel"
The "real" reason that GE dumped vacuum cleaners at all was because they were "unwilling" to spend the amount of money nescescary to help develop w/ Premier; products that were more innovative and competitive.
As you all may well know, Westinghouse did the same thing about the same time.So too died the nameplates of Hamilton Beach,Sunbeam and Shetland/Lewyt all gave up the ghost at the same time that G.E. did with vacuum cleaners. They couldn't crack the market share that Hoover and others had.
Singer, long a excellent contender in the second tier of the whos whos of vacuum cleanrs stayed around a while longer- with them giving up on thier own brand of cleaner thru their sewing centers, about 1982 or so.
Because of thier inability to make their machines as good as the others which every consumer magazine cooed over from about 1936-now, they all were relegated to the "also ran" category to pick up meager sales.
The only machines that did NOT suffer from this malady again being Hoover, Eureka, Kirby and Electrolux.
Unless your company finds a niche product, or you had a corporate aura bigger than life or you had been doing it since the beginning,you failed..... Example? See WCI and all of the corporations that it swallowed as their " old parent" companies left them for dead in search for better profit's elsewhere.
Yes Regina built canisters were made for quite alot of folks in Canada in the 70's and 80's including G.E. But I know what I saw and you could get a Swivel-Top style G.E. w/ powerhead at K-mart for $79.88. I don't know how that was possible, but it was there. I also remember seeing at that same store the Regina Style canisters with the Douglas powerheads w/ both the Premier and GE logo's on them. There were two versions of the old Premier/GE uprights there too. A deluxe version w/ headlight and one without.
The 1970's and 1980's really became the decade of Badge Engineering in any appliance or manufactured goods field. Today it's so prevelent it's not even hidden anymore.
Anyway, that's my thoughts...maybe I'm wrong...but I have asked alot of collectors about different things, and all of them tell me that Premier was never bought out by G.E. Of course then again, General Electric had it's own plant in Bridgeport Conneticut, for small home appliances. It has been said that they used Premier Electric Stampings, processed in a General electric plant....Who knows really.
I guess unless someone with close ties to GE fishes on this site every now an then, we may well know ALL about GE/Premier vacuum cleanrs of appropriate vintage.
Thanks
Chad
as The Hoover Company's products, or even Eureka or Electrolux. There were levels in the vacuum cleaner world just like in the automobile industry
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Post# 35304-12/27/2003-01:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
12/27 Picture-of-the-Day
MESSAGE: Oooooo!! There's that gorgeous Philco again!
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Post# 35305-12/27/2003-04:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: 12/27 Picture-of-the-Day
MESSAGE: Yes, Glenn that picture is such a tease. I think all of us fantasize about finding one of those. If I remember correctly, on the last trip to the now defunct Appliance Graveyard in South Dakota, Peter or Greg did find one. Unfortunately, the poor machine spent years facing the sun so the control panel had been baked into uselessness.
Interesting though, I noticed that the Automagic set Robert recently found has the washer lid opening left and dryer door opening right. I wonder why Philco switched to the opposite way - with washer lids opening right and dryer doors opening left. Seems like an odd thing to just go and change one day.....
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Post# 35306-12/27/2003-15:47 ||| Moderni (northern california)
SUBJECT:
50's "JAMES" dishwasher, any info???
MESSAGE: hello, don't ask me why, but i just bought a really odd dishwasher, i guess from the mid fifties, made by James Industries. it is a floor unit that has a clear glass top window to watch the washing action. the interior is all stainless steel. any information on this one or the company would be great! thanks again. regards, steve cabella / eamescollector.com
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Post# 35307-12/28/2003-22:16 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The "Gray Ghost" of washers past
MESSAGE: Today I found a Maytag "Gray Ghost" at an estate sale. It was 1/2 price day, so that means I spent $12.50. From the research I have done, I believe it is model "A." This wringer washer was made between 1930-1933, and works great. The paint is in very good shape, no rust or pitting, just needs a good cleaning a little touch up. One of the logos is in really good shape, the other worn. This was my Grandmother's washer before her 59 Kenmore, which was the machine that began my collection. So fun to collect these because there is such excitement generated in the Maytag collectors club. If you haven't visited, it is a great site!
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Post# 35308-12/29/2003-00:18 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT:
Monster Garage idea:Classic laundromat on wheels
MESSAGE: I have an idea for Classic Appliance members who watch Monster Garage-a classic laundromat on wheels! All ypu need would consist of a freshwater RV pump ,waste water & freshwater tanks, generator,a washer & dryer both 50's or 60's, a 50's or 60's style RV or motorhome or a 50's or 60' style van or if a larger size laundromat on wheels, an 18 wheeler style box trailer.
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Post# 35309-12/29/2003-11:23 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The "Gray Ghost" of washers past
MESSAGE: congratulations, Jon!!! Those machines that our parents and grandparents owned have a special place in all our hearts...enjoy it.
Rich
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Post# 35310-12/29/2003-12:41 ||| robbytuck (Sioux Falls, SD)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's "JAMES" dishwasher, any info??? (Re: 50's James Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: WOW! You have found a fairly rare machine. If you will go into the message archives for the site beginning with message #28235 on 3/29/03 and message 30065 starting on 6/7/03 and follow the threads, you will find out much about the James. Additionally, go to the Library section for old consumer reports and this machine was included in their first reports on automatic dishwashers.
Also, the link below will give you a crude mechanical run down of this machine.
My mother's cousin owned one of these as part of the Universal Gas range combination. This was back in about 1952. I would climb on a stool so that I could see the water spash on the glass lid. I have been fascinated with dishwashers ever since then.
I really would like to hear more about your "find".
Bob Donham, Sioux FAlls, SD
LINK: http://www.cfcl.com/cfcl/rick/james/james.html
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Post# 35311-12/29/2003-12:49 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
POD- Is today's a Philco?
MESSAGE: Does anyone know if today's POD is a late model Philco?
I believe it is one from right before the end of the line. Does anyone have one in their collection?
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Post# 35312-12/29/2003-15:00 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD- Is today's a Philco?
MESSAGE: it is a Philco, thats all I know ..........
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Post# 35313-12/29/2003-15:07 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's "JAMES" dishwasher, any info??? (Re: 50's James Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: what great and very interesting information ...........
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Post# 35314-12/29/2003-17:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The "Gray Ghost" of washers past
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see it - congrats! We must have been bitten by the Maytag bug when we visited Newton...can't get enough of them!
My grandparents were married in 1930 and began farming in northeast Nebraska. Obviously bad timing to start a farm, they lost everything in 1936. I have an auction notice that lists a (gray ghost)Maytag washer with gas engine under household goods.
I hadn't been to the Maytag club for a while - lots of good information there.
LINK: http://www.maytagclub.com
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Post# 35315-12/29/2003-17:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD- Is today's a Philco?
MESSAGE: Probably a mid 60's model as it has the Contour-Fill top and lid. We saw a few of these on the farm in SD, Jimmy brought home one similar to this POD although his has more features. I have a control panel similar to the POD machine, but evidently this model was offered for several years. The panel I have is virtually the same as the POD but the top and lid I have are the older style (like Robert's 59 & Jimmy's Dexter version) and what was orginally on the 1960 "Miss America" washer base I brought home.
Here is a pic of the treasures we brought home from the farm, Jimmy's Philco is in the foreground, mine is way back in the corner. There is another pic in the album of Jimmy removing a motor and pump from the same Philco I took the top and panel of, but it's just the bottom so you can't see much more than the drive pulley...
LINK: http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/f9078a8c/bc/June+2002+SD+Farm+Trip/__hr_/Garage+North+Wall.jpg?phveL8_AxuQY9_Hb
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Post# 35316-12/29/2003-18:51 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
1954 Westinghouse Laundromat/Happy New Year
MESSAGE: If anyone has a 1954 Westinghouse Laundromat with which he would consider parting, or knows of one in his locale, would you please e-mail or call me? Would like to have the matching Twin to my dryer. Finder's fee offered for Laundromat in useable condition. As long as I'm offering: The same would apply to a 1957 G.E. Filter-Flo. I know... I've been accused many times of having champagne tastes on a beer budget, but in my defense I say: "What the hell, it's the time of year for champagne anyway, isn't it?!" Thanks & best to all for 2004... George. E-mail: ghewett@daklaw.com Toll-free phone, M-F during business hours in CA: 1-800-432-4502.
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Post# 35317-12/29/2003-21:55 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The "Gray Ghost" of washers past (correction...)
MESSAGE: "Congratulations, DON!!" Everything else in the message remains the same. Sorry for mixing up Jetaction and Jetcone. Hope you enjoy your Maytag wringer, Don!
Rich
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Post# 35318-12/29/2003-22:10 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: The "Gray Ghost" of washers past (correction...)
MESSAGE: Richie, I'm glad you felt my cyber-SLAP you into reality as to who Jetaction was vs. Jetcone. (referring to your original message)
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Post# 35319-12/30/2003-00:19 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD- Is today's a Philco?
MESSAGE: I think you're right. The right hinged lid, the unusual looking agitator, the smooth control knobs (which Consumer Reports complained were "slippery to grasp with wet hands") all say Philco to me too.
I always thought that Philco made some of the most handsome machines ever built. (They were also well ahead of their time. IMHO, their "blades of water" wash action was a precurser to today's Calypso machines -- but I digress.) I very much regret that I never got to see a Philco in action. It's a pity that they had such a small market share -- at least here in New Jersey. I can only remember seeing one Philco dealer when I was growing up. It was next door to a drive in restaurant that my family and I sometimes stopped at when we went for drives on Sunday afternoons. (It was very near the old Someville Circle.) The stores were closed on Sunday's back then, but I used to enjoy window shopping -- at least until I got yelled at -- while my family ate dinner at the picnic tables that were on this narrow strip of land between the restaurant's and the appliance dealer's parking lots.
Ahh ... memories. :)
Mike
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Post# 35320-12/30/2003-04:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (2nd timer)
MESSAGE: nope, timer looks original, and picture in catalog shows both buttons on control panel
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Post# 35321-12/30/2003-08:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The "Gray Ghost" of washers past
MESSAGE: Hi Don, I'm so thrilled you picked up that "Gray Ghost". I saw that at one of the estate sales on Saturday and thought oooooh, this is in way nice shape for something that is over 70 years old! Congrats.
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Post# 35322-12/30/2003-09:33 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The "Gray Ghost" of washers past
MESSAGE: Thanks to all for their kind words. Rich, I'll answer to anything, so not to worry about confusing Jon and I. Maybe worry about that cyber slap from Bob though! I am going to order a new decal and touch this treasure up a bit. Basically after a good cleaning it won't need much. Only if other brands of washers had a collectors site as does Maytag, it really makes it easy to restore!
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Post# 35323-12/30/2003-13:08 ||| moderni (northern california)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's "JAMES" dishwasher, any info??? (Re: 50's James Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: thanks for the info! i bought this machine at an estate sale i was doing for a customer at my shop. my shop buys and sell mid century funiture and handles the estates of architects and i have to mention that in most of the modern mid century homes that i find that are still original usually have some sort of odd ( modern design styled) machine. this is were i found this dishwasher. the plan is to restore it an add it to my vintage apartment in the kitchen, not that there is room :)
is anybody aware of any other items designed by raymond loewy, other than the 30's coldspot fridge?
thanks for the help. GREAT SITE!!
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Post# 35324-12/30/2003-15:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Happy New Year
MESSAGE: Here is to keeping old classic appliances alive bigger and better and of course to everyones good health, best wishes to all -gregm
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Post# 35325-12/30/2003-16:38 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's "JAMES" dishwasher, any info??? (Re: 50's James Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Loewy worked as a designer for Studebaker cars, and he designed the United UPA 100 jukebox.
Ken D.
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Post# 35326-12/30/2003-17:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's "JAMES" dishwasher, any info??? (Loewy: "
Father of Industrial Design"
)
MESSAGE: Here's a very interesting site about Raymond Loewy and his designs, amazing number of very familiar icons are Loewy's...
LINK: http://www.raymondloewy.com/about/design.html
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Post# 35327-12/30/2003-18:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DW-washer combo found and more (2nd timer)
MESSAGE: It sounded like it was added on.I never saw the machine-just from the description sounded like an add on.The catalog confirmed that it was original.
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Post# 35328-12/30/2003-18:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The "Gray Ghost" of washers past
MESSAGE: There was a similar model Maytag washer at the Antique Mall that used to be here. The Floyd flood took it out!! Wished I bought the machine when I saw it. Don't Know if it worked.I guess its now in Washer Heaven.
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Post# 35329-12/30/2003-18:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD- Is today's a Philco?
MESSAGE: The link isn't working-I used to live in SD,Rapid city area. There used to be a large appliance graveyard off of I-90 on the way to the Ellsworth AFB. The dump was behind a large surplus store. Don't know if its still there.The last time I saw it was the early 70's.
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Post# 35330-12/30/2003-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint washer in today 's POD
MESSAGE: Theres that interesting "variable speed" hotpoint washer-saw this before-still very interesting-and I am so surprised this isn't done today. Todays electronic motor control technology would make it easy.This looks like a good one to hunt for.
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Post# 35331-12/30/2003-19:24 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT:
What about the Whirlpool Imperial Seventy?
MESSAGE: When will you be able to do some videos of the Whirlpool washer? I'm dying to see some WPs in action!
Chris
Speed Queen '02
You might can try to film some of the Unimacs.
LINK: http://www.uniwash.com
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Post# 35332-12/30/2003-20:34 ||| moderni (northern california)
SUBJECT:
RE: 50's "JAMES" dishwasher, any info??? (Loewy: coldspot, designers )
MESSAGE: just wondering about lowey's 1934 coldspot fridge. is it only the 1934 model that is his design? or did his design carry over to next years model? i was wondering how hard it is to find a really clean one. is it avilable or are they hard to find? i know of a really messed up one, but as it is, i have enough things needing restoration....is it worth holding out for a better/cleaner one? just wondering.... as a fridge, how good were they? were they a budget fridge or was it state-of-the-art fridge for 1934? any opions, help or leads appreciated. great lowey website too! the avanti design rules!
anybody know who designed that james dishwasher?
thanks again! regards, steve cabella
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Post# 35333-12/31/2003-07:49 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD 70s GE dishwasher
MESSAGE: Now THAT's the kitchen that I want. Dark cherry wood cabinets, avocado appliances, fondue pots, etc.
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Post# 35334-12/31/2003-08:19 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 70s GE dishwasher
MESSAGE: What year was that? My parents had that exact dishwasher (only in white). I still have the "silver shower" basket. I use it as a tool caddy. If memory serves, it's a late 60's model. They bought it at Chiarelli Brothers in Reading, PA.
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Post# 35335-12/31/2003-08:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 70s GE dishwasher
MESSAGE: I'd say maybe 1967-69.
I'm not familiar with those models. I just love the late 60s decor of that picture.
Man I'd love to have a kitchen like that.
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Post# 35336-12/31/2003-08:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 70s GE dishwasher
MESSAGE: And also, look at that big plate in the top rack. It's gonna hit the top of the DW when she slides the rack in.
I guess that's ok because the mounting tabs at the top aren't screwed to the cabinet either so somebody could go and steal her DW easily without her even knowing what happened.
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Post# 35337-12/31/2003-08:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Classic Appliances TV shows
MESSAGE: Since I'm on vacation, I've been watching a whole lot of TV Land, especially sitcoms where they show the kitchen.
I Love Lucy - Westinghouse fridge. Not sure of the stove or washer (if they show it at all)
Leave It To Beaver - Frigidaire washer, probably Frigidiare appliances in the kitchen
Bewitched - Frigidaire Flair range, Kenmore DW (early shows), Frigidaire refrigerator(?). Bewitched ran from the early 60s to the early 70s so you get to see some avocado in some of the later shows (Darrin Steven's parents house).
The Brady Bunch - what can I say? my dream kitchen. This is MY Classic Appliaces TV show. Can you say AVOCADO? From the side by side fridge to the Whirlpool W/D to the dark wood to the orange Formica. It's all good.
Some newer stuff with classic appliances
Family Ties - Avocado Lady Kenmore W/D
Married: With Children - Didn't someone say they had a Kenmore 800 set? I despise this show but I'd look for it if that's true.
Home Improvement - Frigidaire 1-18. A MAN'S WASHER! "ARR ARR ARR ARR....."
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Post# 35338-12/31/2003-12:26 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Well actually "
Jasonl"
,,,,,)
MESSAGE: In some of the newer shows with classic appliances, you are right on most of them except "Married With Children"
In "Married With Children", the Bundys had a "Flip Down Cover" Lady Kenmore Washer and Dryer set. And it was in Avocado as well.
--Charles--
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Post# 35339-12/31/2003-13:46 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Tv Appliances)
MESSAGE: This is what I remember anyway
Family Ties-
On this show, they did have the flipcover Lady Kenmore All Pushbutton Automatic's but they were (white). And if you were lucky enough, they left those darned french doors open long enough for you to see them.
Home Improvement-
Besides their Frigidaire 1-18 set that I remember earlier in the series, they also had a White-Westinghouse toploader set as well. And later still a Whirlpool set of current vintage.
Our House- (now ther's a blast from the past)
Maytag Wringer Washer- and because most of the filming was done in the kitchen, you got to see it thru the door leading into the "washroom". I know it's not automatic but it IS a washer.
Sanford And Son- also a Round Tub Maytag Wringer and you could ALWAYS see it in at least one out of every two episodes because they were in the kitchen.
Someone Mentioned Lucy in an earlier post....and If i remember correctly...in one of the "Lucy-Desi Comedy Hours", everything of course was by Westinghouse, being their main sponsor. I rememeber seeing a Westy dryer "slant-front w/ front controls" in either Lucy's garage or maybe Ethels.
One Day At A Time- Because this was an apartment, of course there was no washer and dryer, but in one of the episodes from 1977-78, in the laundryroom by Schneiders apartment, they had old Highlander style Maytag Coin op's. In the last years 1982-83 when Barbara,Mark, Julie, Max and the grandma moved into the house (after selling the apartment) they had a mid 70's MOL Kenmore washer and no dryer that you could see in the basement.
what else do others rememeber?
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Post# 35340-12/31/2003-14:09 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
Happy New Year!!
MESSAGE: Best wishes to everyone for a Great Year Ahead!! Terry
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Post# 35341-12/31/2003-14:19 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Tv Appliances - Post 29281)
MESSAGE:
If you go into the archives starting with post 29281, you'll find a nice string of memos with lots of TV land appliance discussions.
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Post# 35342-12/31/2003-14:24 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Tv Appliances - Post 28291)
MESSAGE:
Oops I transposed two numbers, try post 28291
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Post# 35343-12/31/2003-14:28 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Tv Appliances - Post 28324)
MESSAGE:
Post 28324 from gadgetmad has a cascade of extracted material
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Post# 35344-12/31/2003-15:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Well actually )
MESSAGE: And in one episode, Peg confessed that she doesn't even wash the clothes, just puts them in the dryer for a while...
That means the washer is in nearly MINT condition!
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Post# 35345-12/31/2003-15:30 ||| RE563 (Ft. Lauderdale)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Well actually )
MESSAGE: Someone had mention the Brady Bunch having a whirlpool dishwasher. I don't remember that, maybe I just wasn't watching closely enough. I remember their Avocado Green whirlpool set which was just like my mothers, (except mom's was white) but because the sink was in the island I don't remember ever seeing a dishwasher
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Post# 35346-12/31/2003-16:49 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
laundromat speed changer
MESSAGE: have been chattin with greg again hes my savior but an wondering if anyone has ever changed the oil in a laundromat speed changer unit and if so what oil did you use? i have an idea of what to try but dont want to kill the poor thing does anyone out there have one that works that would sell it id like to try the oil thing first but if all else fails ill be shoppin for an speed unit any help would be wonderful thanks chris
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Post# 35347-12/31/2003-19:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
Feliz Nuevo Ano
MESSAGE: Happy New Year to you all!!! May this be a prosperous year for finding even more rare washers and dryers!
-ph
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Post# 35348-12/31/2003-19:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows
MESSAGE: Roseanne had the Frigidaire 1-18; Home Improvement was a Jet Action Rollermatic originally, then the WCI Westy.
-ph
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Post# 35349-12/31/2003-20:13 ||| Abccoach (detroit)
SUBJECT:
Youngstown kitchen top loading dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hello everyone! I'm new here, but this looks like a great site! I'm restoring a large mid 50s housetrailer; the kitchen is a metal Youngstown design. I've been told that Youngstown had a top-loading dishwasher available also. Does anyone here know if that was true? Or maybe does anyone know where I might be able to find a small size 1950's dishwasher for this kitchen? Thanks.
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Post# 35350-1/0/2004-23:05 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows
MESSAGE: I remember Roseanne having Maytag harvest gold washer/dryer twins. Is my memory not serving me like it should?
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Post# 35351-1/1/2004-08:40 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (classic tv)
MESSAGE: I never saw a 1-18 on "Roseanne"the ones I saw were Maytags in harvest gold.Maybe an A806 and DE806.The only Frigidaire appliance I saw on her show was the FPCI17 and it was poppy red.
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Post# 35352-1/1/2004-09:08 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Youngstown kitchen top loading dishwasher
MESSAGE: Happy New Year to All I have a 1952 Youngstown Kitchen Dishwasher, that had never been hooked up or used. I removed it from a kitchen that was being remodeled, and that is when it was discovered that no plumbing or electrical has ever been run to it. But its not a small unit, its very large compared to a front loader, and doubt very much you could get it to fit in a 50's trailer. Mine has the glass in the lid, with a continuouly operating water heating tank. There is no drying element in it, the lid pops open when its done and the dishes dry from the heat of the hot water. Its a gravity drain, which also limits its installation. Hotpoint and Kelvinator also used gravity drains in their early dishwashers. These early dishwashers are so fascinating in how they work and were constructed. Just like washers are too!
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Post# 35353-1/1/2004-10:25 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (Roseanne)
MESSAGE:
The Roseanne show initially started out with a harvest gold maytag set. For some reason, the were switched to the 1-18's. I remember the 1-18's because they had to use pliers to set the timer.
I seem to recall a show where they were trying to sell the Maytags cause they were hard up on cash.
MRB
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Post# 35354-1/1/2004-10:26 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (That 70's Show)
MESSAGE:
I guess the most current sighting would be the Maytag set in the basement on That 70's show. They are beauties...
MRB
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Post# 35355-1/1/2004-10:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
Happy New Year
MESSAGE: May 2004 bless us with many more classic washers, dryers, and dishwashers. More toys to play with for sure.
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Post# 35356-1/1/2004-12:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (That 70's Show)
MESSAGE: Yep. I was just watching that the other day. Those are pretty Maytags in avocado. I'm not a big Maytag fan but I'd never complain if someone offered me a set like that.
Of course, lid switch modification and smaller pulley would be in order.
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Post# 35357-1/1/2004-12:30 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
Happy New Year
MESSAGE: Happy New Year to Applianceville... ALR2903
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Post# 35358-1/1/2004-14:32 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (That 70's Show)
MESSAGE: absolutely takes just a few minutes and a little bit of electrical tape!
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Post# 35359-1/1/2004-16:47 ||| abccoach (detroit)
SUBJECT:
RE: Youngstown kitchen top loading dishwasher (youngstown dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info! I'm new at this, and love this site! My kitchen isn't huge, but it does have the standard size Youngstown kitchen cabinets and counters that were in a mid 50's kitchen...only less of them!
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Post# 35360-1/2/2004-01:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy New Year
MESSAGE: Happy New Year everybody!
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Post# 35361-1/2/2004-07:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy New Year
MESSAGE: We wish you a merry New Year
We wish you a merry New Year
We wish you a merry New Year
and a happy MARDI GRAS!
Let the parades begin!
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Post# 35362-1/2/2004-15:47 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy New Year
MESSAGE: Happy New Year to all.
And just for a minute........ may I wish the following to all of my fellow appliancevillers:
(01). Good Health
(02). Well Being
(03). Prosperity
AND (!!!!!)
(04). More classic appliances to each and all in 2004
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!
--Charles--
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Post# 35363-1/2/2004-17:27 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic Appliances TV shows (classic tv)
MESSAGE: Roseanne definitely had the Frigidaire set after the Maytag set mysteriously disappeared. Don't recall why they switched them, but it was a 1-18.
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Post# 35364-1/3/2004-12:36 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Wow! Now That is a PERFECT Maytag!
MESSAGE: It is in such good condition! It even still has the "Laundry Tips" pamphlets! What a Washer! I can't beleive a 1959 Maytag is still looks so new!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3264411826&category=20714
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Post# 35365-1/3/2004-14:55 ||| Swalker1 (Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse range/oven
MESSAGE: I have a 1949 Westinghouse refrigerator that belonged to my late grandfather, who worked for Westinghouse. I would like to find a Westinghouse range/oven of the same era to go with it, but despite a lot of searching I haven't found a single ad or mention of a Westinghouse range/oven (other than a White Westinghouse stove parts source). My question: did Westinghouse even MAKE range/ovens? I seem to remember one in my grandparent's house. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post# 35366-1/3/2004-17:58 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse range/oven
MESSAGE: They sure did! We had a freestanding WH range w/well in our house in NJ that was bought in 48 and a built range top and oven in "sunny yellow" in our 57 FL house.
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Post# 35367-1/4/2004-09:30 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Now That is a PERFECT Maytag! (Wrong Color)
MESSAGE: Too bad it's not pink. It would be the match for my dryer.
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Post# 35368-1/4/2004-17:20 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat speed changer (Westinghouse tranny oil)
MESSAGE: A heavy gear oil will do-What model do you have? & who has the O L D laundromat, with no boot, I would love to see some photos of that one !!
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Post# 35369-1/4/2004-17:24 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT:
THE B I R D S !!!
MESSAGE: What kind of dishwasher did Mitch's Mom have? Was it a D & M sort of thing? I know it was a front loader, it is shown after the big dinner they all have, before the finches all fly out of the fireplace...
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Post# 35370-1/4/2004-17:32 ||| syndets2000 (Nanjemoy, Md)
SUBJECT:
MORE BIRDS
MESSAGE: I forgot to ask if anyone can identify the gas range in Mitch's Moms house- it like a...40 inch thing, & pretty fancy looking, looks green- any guesses?
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Post# 35371-1/4/2004-19:55 ||| filterflo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Now That is a PERFECT Maytag! (Wrong Color)
MESSAGE: Hey Rich, I think there is the match for your dryer at the shop in Iowa that we went to a couple of times. Yeah, like we both need more washers, right? Right! We do! Jimmy AKA FilterFlo
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Post# 35372-1/4/2004-20:14 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Now That is a PERFECT Maytag! (Jimmy, You Spoiled Me!)
MESSAGE: Right on, Jimmy. Do I feel a road trip coming on??!? We sure do want more washers. And after seeing ALL of your matched sets operating, I got the bug to display mine big time. We are still property hunting. I figured that before I get too old, I had better build a place big enough for both of my hobbies. We're hunting for a 5 to 10 acre parcel around this area. But property is at a premium in this location. Wish us luck!
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Post# 35373-1/5/2004-07:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Now That is a PERFECT Maytag! (Wrong Color)
MESSAGE: ...and we were just talking about another trip up there - who knows what we'll find this time??
These are the pics of our "annual" trip to Iowa, we made quite a haul out of there last year.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/album?.dir=/June+2003&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/gansky1/lst%3f.dir=/%26.src=ph%26.view=t
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Post# 35374-1/5/2004-07:36 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Now That is a PERFECT Maytag! (Jimmy, You Spoiled Me!)
MESSAGE: I know how you feel, I added a few more spaces for washers & dryers that I gleaned from an under-utilized closet downstairs and it's still not enough! It would be so nice to have space for all of them hooked up at the same time. Best of luck on your property search, Rich!
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Post# 35375-1/5/2004-20:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE B I R D S !!!
MESSAGE: All I could see was someone loading plates into the top shelf of the machine and putting the flatware into the sink dishdrainer.(why didn't she load them into the washer?)I didn't see a shot of the dishwasher. Would like to-so it could be indentified.
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Post# 35376-1/5/2004-21:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: MORE BIRDS
MESSAGE: I could just make out what looks like"Epicure" on the control panel of the machine. I also looks like it had burners in the center of its cooktop. Interesting-looks like a range for a larger household. It looked too big for that household and kitchen.Need to look at the movie again and pause frame that scene.
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Post# 35377-1/6/2004-09:36 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: Did anyone see Julia Roberts movie "Mona Lisa Smile"? I just saw it last night and what a nice surprise in one scene where one of the her students shows off her brand new matching washer and dryer. I think they were 54 Frigidaires but you guys would know better than me!?
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Post# 35378-1/6/2004-09:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile (like this?)
MESSAGE: Did they look like this set?
-ph
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/unimatic1140/detail?.dir=/Frigidaire&.dnm=Frigidaire+1952+Set.jpg
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Post# 35379-1/6/2004-12:43 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: MORE BIRDS (The Brenner's Range)
MESSAGE: I believe it was a Roper Epicure.
I've always wondered what the dishwasher was--I have no clue.
T.
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Post# 35380-1/6/2004-12:49 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE B I R D S !!!
MESSAGE: I think Lydia just had the DW silverware basket on the counter.
T.
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Post# 35381-1/6/2004-15:10 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
Classic Maytag in NYC area
MESSAGE: Looks nice! Probably a time-filled washer from the late 50's...
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3651085788&category=13596
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Post# 35382-1/6/2004-15:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE B I R D S !!!
MESSAGE: I think this is a D&M machine. The top rack hangs from the rails, rather that being supported by them. There is a big dial on the front right side that is blue and red. It can be seen momentarily as they leave the kitchen at the end of this scene.
-ph
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Post# 35383-1/6/2004-15:54 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse range/oven (Westy Ranges)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Westinghouse made electric stoves. I'm not sure about gas. If you go to the home page and click on Vintage Appliance Videos (I'm including a link at the bottom of this message), you'll be able to view some old appliance commercials, including some for Westinghouse that include a discussion of their their stoves. I've also seen vintage Westinghouse stoves available for sale at http://www.antiqueappliances.com.
Hope this helps.
Mike
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/vintage_video.htm
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Post# 35384-1/6/2004-19:05 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile (like this?)
MESSAGE: Yup, that was them, of course the actress' were the main part of the scene, although there are some here the might argue that point!! Did they change much from 52 to 54?
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Post# 35385-1/6/2004-19:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: Yes, it's wonderful that Robert's machines are such a major part of that scene!
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Post# 35386-1/6/2004-21:43 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile (1950-54)
MESSAGE: The WO-65 washer was introduced for the 1950 model year (Frigidaire intro'd their new lines in the fall, just like the GM auto lines) and this same cabinet design/styling was carried through the 1954 model year. The no-vent dryer (first called the Filtra-Matic) model TR-60 was intro'd in 1952 and likewise was offered through 1954.
The washer underwent a few changes in it's four year run. The WO-65 model had two deep rinses, just like it's 1947-49 cousins. In 1952, the cycle was changed to offer an overflow wash period and a single, overflow rinse. The tub was changed to allow for the overflow and the pulsator was changed from a metal and rubber ring to an all rubber, steel reinforced version. These models were the WO-65-2 series.
Here's an advertisement for the later version, quite a number of our members have washers of the WO-65(2) series, they've seemed to be quite "plentiful" compared to the single year runs of later models.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3651807714&category=13596
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Post# 35387-1/7/2004-04:02 ||| Pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Neptune TL (Top Loader)
MESSAGE: I know that the new is off topic for this room, but my segue into classic is that the new Neptune Top Loader does borrow from some older classic late 50's appliances in the rounded, rather than square edges of it's cabinet, it looks rather retro-progessive, to coin a phrase. There is not a sharp edge on the machine. I saw it at the Home Depot in Dewitt, NY; it was impressive looking outside for its nod to the retro past cabinet design, but to try to combine front loader into a top loader seems to me like when Cadillac designed that horrible V-4-6-8 engine during the energy crisis. If you try to be all things to all people, you end up meaning nothing to nobody, and this, I fear, is where the Maytag brand is going. Why can't they just put out a better but simple everyday front loader like the old dependable care models? I think the Neptune is their Edsel, a horrible looking machine that is overpriced. Maytag's heritage is about better quality, simple design. This is all to say that in 20 years, the Neptune will not be a classic appliance, but a rusted out design failure. Maytag has never been the leader of front load machines, and it shows.
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Post# 35388-1/6/2004-23:25 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: When you say Robert, I assume your talking about Unimatic? Were those really his machines? If so, that is SO cool!! How does one put up these wonderful machines for a movie, I mean, do they have an agent?? :)
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Post# 35389-1/6/2004-23:31 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile (1950-54)
MESSAGE: Greg, thanks for the info. Its great to know there is such a wealth of knowledge here. I was kind of hoping there was a faux pas in the movie, with the year it portrayed as 54 and the w/d were from 52. But i suppose the arguement could have been that they bought them used.
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Post# 35390-1/7/2004-08:26 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: I was joking when I posted the link to the pictures, as us seasoned club members knew that Robert was contacted by the producers of the movie and asked permission to use his machines. Of course it was more complicated than that and it is a good thing that the set was returned in the same condition that it left!
-ph
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Post# 35391-1/7/2004-09:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: No agent necessary, just pictures on the web is all it takes. Hollywood contacted my via email and asked if they could rent a vintage washer and dryer set for the movie.
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Post# 35392-1/7/2004-09:49 ||| jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Mona Lisa Smile
MESSAGE: Very Cool, must have been a tough decision to decide which of the babies to send, PLUS letting them out of your sight for the filming. :)
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Post# 35393-1/7/2004-19:16 ||| Spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Anybody remember Instant Fels?
MESSAGE: Hi. I'm new.
Does anybody remember a detergent called Instant Fels?
It was a 1-cup formula and it came in a red and green
box. I used to see it in the supermarket in the mid
'90s but not since.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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Post# 35394-1/7/2004-16:27 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Anybody remember Instant Fels? (Just used instant Fels)
MESSAGE: I found a large box of Instant Fels at an estate sale last weekend. I have used it twice now. Was curious about soap vs detergent, and found a recipe for homemade laundry soap with borax, washing soda, and ground up fels naptha bar. Used that on Monday. The washing results were fine, I wouldn't switch to these soaps, as I think my detergent outcleans, and after a while I would notice the difference! Fun memories though of Grandma, a 65 Custom Imperial, Coconut Nusoft,and Instant Fels!
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Post# 35395-1/7/2004-18:04 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT:
WEIRDNESS
MESSAGE: I have lost a page! I have only two current messages with todays date. When I hit "previous" I go back to 12/25! Help!
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Post# 35396-1/7/2004-18:23 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: WEIRDNESS
MESSAGE: Same thing here - missing the same page....
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Post# 35397-1/7/2004-18:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: WEIRDNESS
MESSAGE: Same thing with me-it skips a whole page!!Anything after 12-25-missing??
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Post# 35398-1/7/2004-19:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Applianceville's Drive Belt
MESSAGE: Applianceville's Drive belt seems to have broken, so I was able to fix it, but unfortunately we lost the Pink TOC page for posts 35300-35393, actual posts are just fine, readable and intact, just the title is missing on the pink TOC page.
This seems to happen if the server dies at the exact same time that somebody is trying to post a message. I'll have to try and write some kind of backup code to prevent this from happening. When I have time, yeah right :)
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Post# 35399-1/8/2004-02:21 ||| Duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
I am NOT alone!
MESSAGE: Ahhhhh, I am OK! I'm not crazy! There are others out there like me! I LOVE WASHING MACHINES AND DISHWASHERS! Oh, that felt soooooo good to say! I feel like I should be in a 12-step meeting or something!
My earliest reccollections are of traveling from my parents house in the country by a little town called Wichita Kasnsas up to my grandparents house in a tiny spot on the map called Gresham Nebraska. We would spend a week with Grandma and Grandpa Wolf. We would leave the minute that Dad got off of work and drive up to Nebraska. All of us kids got to goof off for a week and it was great! But come Monday morning, I was up with the chickens and waiting for Breakfast to be over. Then Grandma, Grandpa and I would head to the basement, laundry baskets in tow.
Before breakfast, Grandpa would have wheeled the Maytag out and positioned it just so. (The basement didn't have that many lights and he had taken one of the bulbs out of the twisted cloth covered drop and screwed in an adaptor so that he could plug the Maytag in.) The two galvanized rise tubs where put next to it and in the "4th" spot, a stool with an empty basket.
The maytag would be churning away and in would go the clothes. 8 minutes later, Grandpa would stop the Maytag and start the wringer. (I never got to actually "Watch" them wash, as Grandpa always said all the heat would escape out of the water.) The clothes would go into the first rinse tub and that's when I got the "stick" and would push them around. Grandpa would swing the wringer around and wring the clothes out of the first rinse into the second rinse, which of course, always had bluing! Then I got to push them around again, and then Grandpa would wring them into the basket, at which time, Grandma would be back down the two flights of stairs with an empty basket and she would head back up to the clothesline!
There was an unwritten/unspoken war going on with the neighbor two doors down, I believe her name was Mrs. Gaunnerman (I still love those German names!) The quest was to see who could get the first load out on a Monday morning!
After Monday of vaction, the rest of the week would be uneventful for me!
Then we could come back home and mom would throw a load into her GE automatic. For some reason, it just wasn't the same! (Although, I would watch that washer for hours! It was all white, blue/grey speckeled enameled interior with a black agitator.) It may have been an early filter-flo but that damned filter got in the way, so when Mom would leave, it would come off!
And then there is the story of my Aunt's Turquoise and White Maytag Wringer with the pump on it.... And her Frigidaire DishMobile.... And the department store in Wichita that had the best babysitter around....
I could go on and on and on.....
THANK YOU SO MUCH for existing!
duetboy
AKA Jeff
PS. Anyone have any luck with tracklighting and lighting up the interior of a Duet Washer? I'm trying to figure out if I can get the angle good enough to be able to illuminate it while it washes!
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Post# 35400-1/8/2004-02:39 ||| olds68 (NJ)
SUBJECT:
Waterwitch RInger Washer
MESSAGE: Hi! I have a Waterwitch Ringer Washer and I believe that it dates back to the 1930's. Does anyone know of a useful source where I could locate the value of the appliance? I also have an early 1950's Kenmore Ironing Machine. I am not sure of the value of this either. If anyone is interested in either of these items or has any information on where to find information on these appliances please contact me.
LINK: http://olds68@verizon.com
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Post# 35401-1/7/2004-22:58 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone! (You're not Crazy!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jeff,
Welcome to the wonderful world of classic appliances. I just discovered the great place last year and had been living with my "secret" for over 30 years! It's awesome to share memories, news and questions with this group and I'm proud to announce that I finally entered the digital age and got a digital camera so I can take pictures of my collection and will be posting it before the end of the month for all to enjoy!
Best wishes for a new year filled with classic appliances!
Washerlover aka Todd
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Post# 35402-1/7/2004-23:12 ||| duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Waterwitch RInger Washer (Link?)
MESSAGE: Sorry, the link takes me to verizon's home page....
duetboy
aka jeff
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Post# 35403-1/8/2004-00:34 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone!
MESSAGE: Welcome, Duetboy!
No 12-step meetings of shame/confession/recovery around here! Just gatherings of fun/discussion/enjoyment, with heaps of suds and overflow rinses, and 1140 RPM spins in vintage top-loaders for those who are so lucky.
Sorry, I don't have any experience with tracklighting and Duets, but I did have an incident involving a fluorescent fixture and a Fisher & Paykel, LOL.
What's the story on that department store in Wichita? I used to love going into Sears in the 1970s -- those Lady Kenmores with the lighted/covered pushbutton panels were spiffy!
Both sets of my grandparents had automatics. My maternal grandmother had a Kenmore wringer machine for a while that she sometimes used for rugs or rags, but I never got to run it. Then there was that fabulous Kelvinator that she had for a short time . . . it's such a shame that machine got trashed.
A neighbor in my hometown (actually, the mother of one of my babysitters) used a square-tub Maytag wringer into the early 1970s. Oh, it was quite a thing when she finally broke down and got a Whirlpool automatic set! Anyway, she gave me the Maytag, which still ran OK, and I had fun with it on the patio for a number of months.
Keep in mind that App'ville is oriented toward vintage automatics of the 1970s/1960s and earlier, although there is sometimes some "slippage." A complementary discussion group for modern machines is located on Yahoo at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
If you haven't yet found it, there is also a Laundry Room discussion area at GardenWeb under
http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/laundry/
DADoES
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Post# 35404-1/8/2004-05:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Anybody remember Instant Fels? (Just used instant Fels)
MESSAGE: I still occasionally use Instant Fels. Actually while I do have a few boxes left, I have made my own by grating up bars of Fels Naptha. It does a creditable job, but even with bluing the rinse water, the whites just don't come out as white. Also, unless you get every trace of soap out of the clothes, which can take more than two warm, Calgon fortified rinses, if you try to iron something white, the heat will react with any remaining soap to yellow the garment.
That said, though, it is occasionally fun to use it and as long as I am not ironing, the difference is not always readily apparent to the naked eye. Another funny thing I remember is that my neighbor (with the Norge Timeline w/d) used Instant Fels. And I guess that enough of the "fatty soap" smell remained with the clothes that when she hung the wash (especially in August and September) there would usually be groups of yellow jackets hanging around the line.
I do recall that when all of that phosphate madness started in the early 70's, Instant Fels began to advertise as a "solution to water pollution". Of course since it was soap, anyone living in hard water areas either had to have a mechanical water softener or had to soften the water via Calgon, White King or Blue Rain Drops to get decent performance and avoid the dreaded "soap curd" on their clothes.
Instant Fels was reformulated as a detergent in the late 80's but it never really had a tremendous market share and was ultimately discontinued. In fact that happened just around the time that Ivory Snow became a detergent also....
Now I am wondering if I should crack open that box of Duz soap I have been hoarding......
Another thing I have done is to grate up bars of Lux soap and use them on my washable woolen sweaters - with fine results. Of course Lux bar soap has also been discontinued, but is often available in dollar stores (Canadian Lux). Oh, the things we do for our fine washables........
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Post# 35405-1/8/2004-06:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone!
MESSAGE: You're FAR from being alone. There's alot of us here and more of us still "in hiding", have yet to discover this site.
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Post# 35406-1/8/2004-08:52 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone! (No, your'e not alone)
MESSAGE: YOU'RE HOOKED
Welcome, washer junkie!
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Post# 35407-1/8/2004-09:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone!
MESSAGE: I always wanted to figure out how to put a light in my front loader. Some of the original Westinghouse FLs had lights, inviting young children to come and see the action.
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Post# 35408-1/8/2004-12:12 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Incorrect Email Addresses
MESSAGE: I've been looking through the profiles a few at a time since there are so many members listed who do not post. I have tried to email a few members but some email was undeliverable due to an outdated or incorrect email address. Isn't it possible that everyone could take a few minutes and update their profile? Maybe not only check your email address, but also update what's listed in your collection.
I was able to meet a local member for the first time last night. When he posted, Pennsylvania was listed as his location. Fortunately his email address was correct so that we were able to connect. And as it turns out, he is a super nice guy. I have always been envious of you guys in other areas who have enough local members to have wash-ins. I'm sure that in my tri-state area (Ohio, Pennsylvania & West Virginia) we have a fair amount of collectors, too. So please double check you profile and let's all get set for a great appliance hunting and new member meeting year in 2004!
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Post# 35409-1/8/2004-14:42 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone! (What's not to love?)
MESSAGE: It's great that we can find fun and happiness in
daily chores, and that we have a good enough sense of
history and aesthetics to appreciate great machines
when we see them.
When I was a kid, my mom had (still has!) an almond,
circa '83 super-capacity Whirlpool with Super
Surgilator, infinite water levels, and three wash
temps. The dryer (also WP) was bought a little
later, so the control panels don't quite match. She
also has a harvest gold Magic Chef Concept Series
portable dishwasher with "Total Magic Wash" option.
(Mom rarely uses the dishwasher, since it's SO much
trouble, pushing it three whole feet to the sink.)
My maternal grandmother had an early '70s white GE
FilterFlo and no dryer. My paternal grandmother had a
circa '77 Lady Kenmore laundry set in harvest gold
with lighted controls. The machines are still in her
old house. The washer has timed dispensers and one of
the first dual-action agitators. The dryer has a full-
width Load-A-Door and drum light.
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Post# 35410-1/8/2004-19:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone! (What's not to love?)
MESSAGE: I found this website when I was searching for info on vintage vacuums. When I read over this site and explored it-the pictures of the various vintage machines revived my memories of machines I saw or used while growing up.My father was in the Air Force for a while-so we moved a lot. The base houses had various types of machines.One house had Norge-it had a chromed look metal lint pan-burpup lint pan splash filtering.Another home had a GE filter flow with the copper colored lint pan.My grandmother had a knmore pair-the washer had the black roto-swirl agitator.One of our friend had one of those blackstone washers (its in the instruction manuals section of this site-I wondered what is was until I saw this website)They opened the doors on it so I could watch the mechansim when the washer ran.That was the most intersting part of the visit!I remembered that from when I was very little.Since then and till today washers do interest me along with vacuums.We also always had Kirbys in the family.Still use today.And I am trying to hunt for some of those vintage machines!!For a very long time we had a GE portable dishwasher.Sadly it got lost in a flood.One of my chores was loading and unloading-running it.
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Post# 35411-1/8/2004-19:39 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
POD +Bev. Hillbillys.
MESSAGE: Now todays POD is the Beverly Hillbilly's washer and dryer, am i right?
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Post# 35412-1/8/2004-20:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD +Bev. Hillbillys. ("
JEDDDDD!!!!!!!!!"
)
MESSAGE: Yep. That's granny's laundry set.
Beauties.
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Post# 35413-1/9/2004-01:08 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
1959 Westinghouse Electric Dryer for sale in San Francisco
MESSAGE: Listed on Craigslist.org in San Francisco is a 1959 Westinghouse Slant Front dryer for sale for $120.00. The dryer does not heat but cosmetically looks good. Hope someone in California might be interested in the dryer.
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Post# 35414-1/9/2004-08:25 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD +Bev. Hillbillys.
MESSAGE: Wasn't Granny's the later set that had the push button dryer, also?
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Post# 35415-1/9/2004-13:15 ||| Golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD +Bev. Hillbillys.
MESSAGE: Granny originally had that POD set, but when Maytag made the dryer push button also, Granny had her set upgraded to the newer models.
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Post# 35416-1/9/2004-19:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: I am NOT alone!
MESSAGE: Jeff welcome. No you're not alone or crazy. You've just found the therapy session in full swing. Thanks for the stories. Keep them coming.
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Post# 35417-1/9/2004-19:55 ||| duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
My Best Babysitter
MESSAGE: When I was little (3+ range) I can remember us having a "mall". Now it wasn't your usual mall, mind you. You went out the front door of the store, walked on the sidewalk and then walked into the next store. So, looking back, it was an outdoors mall. In the center of the mall was the anchor store, SEARS! How I loved that place! Clothing was "upstairs" (Main floor) appliances and housewares were downstairs (basement.) When we would go, if mom didn't make me stay with her (usually to buy me clothes), I was off like a rocket!
Down the escalator, go straight for about 30 feet, hang a left and there it was, the demo model for the Kenmore Roto Basket Dishwasher! (Remember guys, I'm new at this, so I may get the terms mixed up.)
I would stand there for HOURS and watch that dishwasher. Of course, I would also have to check out the washer's too! For some reasons, the dryer's didn't do much. The salesmen would come over and ask me if they could help me and I'd just stand there, drooling, and say, No, Sir, I'm just watching!
When Mom was ready to go, she knew exactly where to find me! Every once in a while, I would go down there and it wouldn't be running. (BAD DAY!) I'd stand and stare, and usually a salesman would come over and ask me if there was anything they could do and I'd just say, I came down to see the dishwasher. The next thing I knew, the basket would start to spin! I loved the idea of having a light inside it! It was awesome!
I also remember that every once in a while they would have a washer full of clothes. They would demo their action. A salesman usually wouldn't fire one up for a little kid, but if he was giving a demo to someone, I was right there!
Anyhow, that is my story of my babysitter!
Oh, btw, it was pink inside!
Duetboy
aka
Jeff
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Post# 35418-1/9/2004-20:36 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter
MESSAGE: WOW;YIKES
We could be twins! Our local Sears store was my favorite. As you descended the escalator to the basement, there they were, front & center, the latest Lady Kenmore washer & dryer pair, all flourescent lights aglow! We had a Kenmore portable dishwasher with the upper Roto-Rack. Did a great job and the upper rack was unique! I washed everything but the kitchen sink in that d/w!
We also had a 1964 Lady Kenmore washer in shaded coppertone. She was a beauty with her lighted fabric chart and pushbuttons A-H! Colored lights for speeds and lint filter & a flourescent light to boot! I still have the console in my workshop, can't seem to part with it!
Welcome Jeff!
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Post# 35419-1/9/2004-21:01 ||| duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (The scary thing is....)
MESSAGE: When I got, uh, well, er, uh, "hitched" and moved to AR, my partner at the time had an old Lady with RotoWash. Pink interior! I used it so much I thought I was going to wear the bearings out! Actually, the bearings were shot in the lower spray arm, but it kept washing and I kept loading it! Since it was on "loan" I finally replaced with with an Asko, TOL. Damn, I miss that old Lady. And I'm sure his parents trashed it when it was returned! Arrrrrrrgh!
Now if I could have only found a light and clear front for it, we could have had some amazing times!
Duetboy
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Post# 35420-1/9/2004-21:04 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (My Best Babysitter)
MESSAGE: how about triplets !!!--Except our local sears store was a catalog store. Mom was always ordering things (school clothes and such). Each time we'd go to pick up an order I'd get strict instructions to NOT go near the washers and dryers. Yeah, right--Like that was gonna happen. She go to the counter to take a number and that was it--was looking in and opening every washer lid I could. For a catalog store they did have a very nice selection on display--not to mention the roto rack dishwasher----ooooohhh how i wanted one!!!! Another local store that Mom did get all her appliances from was "Stuck Brothers". Had the same Strict Insturctions going there too. But the punishment was worse coming home from that store
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Post# 35421-1/9/2004-21:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter
MESSAGE: That reminds me of when I was around 6 or 7 when the Kenmore Dual Action Agitator came out. I remember it was the Sears in New Orleans east. I had seen an ad for the DAA before so when me and my mom walked into the store, I released her hand and BOLTED to the washers. I found the fanciest washer there (a Lady K) and flung the lid open and there it was! I remember saying to myself "This is the washer of the future!"
Sears was like a magical place. TVs, stereos, appliances, clothes (boring), and toys.
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Post# 35422-1/9/2004-22:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (malls)
MESSAGE: Basically, what you went to then was still called a "shopping center" rather than a "mall"
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Post# 35423-1/9/2004-22:53 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (The place to go)
MESSAGE: I too used to "dash" (pun intended) to the appliance dept of Sears. The one in our area also kept demonstrator machines filled with water and clothes to demonstrate. I loved to go down and watch them run. We also had a local Whirlpool appliance dealer where my parents purchased appliances. I loved to go into that store, and to take a peek inside the newest models. Since we are reminiscing, does anyone remember the new smell which the machines from those days (late 60's/70's) gave off? It was much like the smell that comes with a new car. It would linger for several months until the machine was "broken in."
Also, Welcome Jeff, you are not alone, you have a neighbor in Tennessee. Dennis
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Post# 35424-1/10/2004-01:08 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (The scary thing is....)
MESSAGE: Well, duetboy, how about quadruplets! I was lucky enough to have a Mom that was best friends with the lady that ran the appliance department at Sears in Eureka, CA! So, they used to gossip for hours while my Mom's friend would just turn on a Lady K for me to watch while they yapped about whatever. I was in heaven except one day when the Sears detergent display so elegantly stacked above the washer I was watching in action decided to dislodge and a couple of boxes fell into the washer! I was a bit frightened and had to tell my Mom's friend what had happened as it became a sudsy mess! (this was back in the late 60s before serious low-suds detergents)
Anyway, I enjoyed my time at Sears. And I do recall they also had a dishwasher display similar to what you describe, with a plexiglass front so you could see the action. Though I'm a washer fan at heart, I used to stop by to watch that dishwasher, too!
Todd
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Post# 35425-1/10/2004-09:22 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (The scary thing is....)
MESSAGE: Well, you might as well make it quintriplets! My Mom almost "lived" at the Sears at Masonic and Geary in San Francisco. On most visits she'd stand me in front of the washer display and tell me to stay right there until she and my sisters returned. I loved it! This was the mid 50's and the washer on display had a straight 3 vane black agitator. I was mesmerized by the sounds of the machine sloshing those towels back and forth at 65 rpms per minute. And to watch all this thru lighted clear plastic. It was something else.
I also remember that "distinctive" new washer smell of our 60 Cycla Fabric with its big tall, black roto swirl and beautiful white porcelain wash basket. By the way, that same machine should be up and running by the first week or so in February. I can't wait!
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Post# 35426-1/10/2004-14:12 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (Me too! Me too!)
MESSAGE: Yep. I used to spend a lot of time at the appliance dept. at Sears watching those cool demo washers and dishwashers doing their thing. Our local Sears was a stand alone store (it's since moved to the mall) that just happend to be directly across the street from the supermarket where mom shopped. Boring! Guess where I would wind up, while mom shopped for groceries?
I also spent a lot of time window shopping. We had a GE dealer a couple of blocks from my parents house. I was always window shopping there. (Especially when I was old enough to go for walks by myself.) My grandparents (on my mom's side) lived in a small town in Southwestern Pennsylcania. The local propane dealer (to this day everyone who lives there cooks, heats their water, and sometimes even drys their clothes with propane) double as the town's appliance dealer. Used to window shop there too. He specialized in wringer washers. The one that I remember the most had two tubs (one for washing and one for rinsing, I guess) with the wringer in the middle. I'm not sure what brand it was, but I saw a similar machine (a Philco) on e-bay a couple of months ago.
My family and I often went on Sunday drives. My favorite drive was the one that included a stop at drive in restaurant that had picnic tables on this narrow stip of grass between the restaurant's parking lot and the parking for lot for what had to be the only Philco dealer in New Jersey. I used to window shop there too. (I've said this before and I'll say it again, IMHO, Philco made some of the most handsome and innovative washers (and dryers) I've ever seen. It's a shame that they never had much market share. At least not here in New Jersey.)
Welcome to the Board, Jeff and thanks for making us take another walk down memory lane.
Mike
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Post# 35427-1/10/2004-21:53 ||| SactoTeddyBear (Sacramento, CA)
SUBJECT:
Re: Messages: 35300 to 35393:
MESSAGE: I dont know what's happening, but every time I go to check out the Posting's the listed Number Posting's Info is missing on my Screen, what's causing that to happen? It is every time that I Log-On to my "AOL" Account and go to the Classic Appliances Web-Site.
SactoTeddyBear...
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Post# 35428-1/11/2004-00:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter
MESSAGE: Yup, we're all part of the same line of identical boys. However my recollection was more gettig to see a pink demo Lady Kenmore wringer with rotoswirl agitator and poker chips in the wash tub. I'd switch it back and forth from regular to delicate agitation. What fun. I didn't discover the dishwashers until I was about 10. Even in high school I would watch the roto rack dishwasher demo, even when we bought two of them. What always made me upset was they didn't have enough water in the machine to fully satisfy the pump. Drove me nuts. When I bought my 1986 Shredmore, there was a demo Electronic LK there that wass black and full of clothes. Watched it. It reminded me of rollover found in a Frigidiaire 3-ring agitator washer. That's what sold me on my Shredmore.
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Post# 35429-1/11/2004-00:55 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter
MESSAGE: I never had the pleasure/excitement of a full running washer demo at Sears, but I did sometimes open an LK to find some damp/spun towels. Such a disappointment! I do recall once running across a situation in which a salesman/person had just put an LK into spin, and I was astonished at how quiet it ran. Of course, that was all due to the Quiet-Pak, and of course, now we *had* to have one. Nevermind that it was in a large open store with some degree of ambient noise that likely helped mask the sound . . .
I also remember a display touting the electronic moisture sensor, that one could touch to trigger a red light to show the moisture on the skin.
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Post# 35430-1/11/2004-01:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Re: Messages: 35300 to 35393:
MESSAGE: Could be AOL. Have you tried refreshing or renewing the page?
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Post# 35431-1/11/2004-09:32 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Re: Messages: 35300 to 35393:
MESSAGE: See post 35398 for an explanation.
Ken D.
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Post# 35432-1/11/2004-19:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (The place to go)
MESSAGE: I too remember being "entertained" at the appliance dept at Sears and sometimes Wards! Even when shopping to this very day I would stop at the appliance dept and see if there are any "demo" machjines.There were always ones at Sears-the washer and dishwasher with the plexiglas front panels and tubs.Anyone out there have any of these in their collections?That would be an interesting find. Just before Wards closed down-I lived in Manassas Va-the shopping center there had a Sears and Wards in the same center-unusual-never seen this before. the Wards store had a plexiglas "demo" Maytag washer.It had the "load Sensor" agitator that was like the Kenmore Dual action. You really couldn't see it work because they put poker chips in the washer tank-Another part of the demo was the salesman put LIGHT BULBS in the tub to show The "gentleness" of the washer.Then I could go the Sears store to watch the demo of their washer and dishwasher.The Sears store in NC isn't as entertaining. They just have rows of washers and dryers,dishwashers-none on them you could watch going.These things I saw in the 1995-1998 time frame.I haven't seen anymore plexiglas "demo" machines. also like the rest of you saw them when I was a kid.-Strayed away from the folks to see the washers and the power tool dept at Sears.
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Post# 35433-1/11/2004-19:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter
MESSAGE: I too thought the clothes dept was Boring. Yes-I can remember the dual Action agitator demo washers at Sears-The best entertainment at the store.My mother saw one of these and she remarked-Wouldn't that slice up your clothes?" I showed her the display-but she didn't buy one. I was in my 20's at the time.They also had as part of the display-the washer agitator that you could turn or move by hand-showing how it works.I also liked the Craftsman power tools!!
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Post# 35434-1/11/2004-19:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (The scary thing is....)
MESSAGE: There was an old apartment house I lived in where the apartments were equipped with Roto-Rack dishwashers. This was in aaround 1990,The apartments were built in the '50's.They were still using those machines-and they still worked.I consider that impressive sine the machines had MANY users-and I'm sure some of them misused the machines.I verified the rack turned by running the machine and opening the door-the rack would still be spinning.It was a fascinating and pretty effective machine. Should still make them.In the tornhose I lived in Manassas Va,there was a Kenmore dishwasher with an upper round rack-but it didn't turn.In the models that the rack spun-how did they do this??
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Post# 35435-1/11/2004-19:14 ||| partscounterman (ST PAUL, MN)
SUBJECT:
Aloha to all! (long time no see!)
MESSAGE: Just a note to say Aloha from beautiful Maui. Don't have a computer yet so I haven't been keeping up. Got a job at the Sears here selling Laundry and Refers. Any club members visiting the Queen Ka'ahumanu center on Maui please stop and say hi! also been busy playing with my new HE3t washer-much more fun than the windowless maytag! hooey-ho kako! David
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Post# 35436-1/11/2004-19:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter
MESSAGE: I would think a good salesman would go ahead and run the machine for the child-the kid might just get the parents and show them the machine-result could be a sale for the salesman!!
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Post# 35437-1/11/2004-22:31 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (The scary thing is....lady kenmore dishwasher)
MESSAGE: that's Roto Swirl,dahling,not Roto Wash.you are forgiven!
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Post# 35438-1/11/2004-22:36 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT:
Jan 11 POD: Oh, the irony!
MESSAGE: Per the date at the bottom of the picture, 2004 would be the 40th anniversary of the Frigidaire Jet Action washer, had it stayed in production.
::sigh::
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Post# 35439-1/11/2004-22:38 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: My Best Babysitter (poker chips)
MESSAGE: The Lady Kenmore wringer washer display at the Sears in Baltimore had different colored ping pong balls in it.The vacuum cleaner(cannister) they had had a huge beach ball that it would ballance in the air.
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Post# 35440-1/11/2004-23:35 ||| Billyparker (Chandler AZ)
SUBJECT:
Kitchen Aid KDS-18
MESSAGE: Can anyone help me on the app. age/value, and where I may find parts for my recently acquired Kitchen Aid Superba Dishwasher Model # KDS-18?
Thanks Billy Parker
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Post# 35441-1/12/2004-08:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Drive belt slipping again?
MESSAGE: Looks like Applianceville's belt slipped again and caused all the posts on the previous page to be washed away.
Perhaps you should install Unimatic or Rollermatic system in your web server so that it would be more reliable.
Darn those evil Maytags!
(Maytag fans: Just kidding :-)
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Post# 35442-1/12/2004-09:13 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Drive belt slipping again? (drive belt slipping)
MESSAGE: forget the maytags, they're dependable!
Maybe the posts got sucked up into the WCI
black hole of extinctity!
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Post# 35443-1/12/2004-10:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchen Aid KDS-18
MESSAGE: ....most of the parts tht you need are still available. I get lots of my parts at http://www.marcone.com Best of luck with that wonderful machine! Mark
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Post# 35444-1/12/2004-14:01 ||| Filterflo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchen Aid KDS-18
MESSAGE: Since you are in AZ, there is a used building supply warehouse called STARDUST in the Phoenix area. There are actually two locations, and there are always LOTS of used dishwashers for sale. Im from Ohio, but travel to Phoenix several times a year, and I always make a couple of trips to STARDUST to search for used appliances. All the items there are very inexpensive, you should be able to find a KDS-18 for about $15.00. Most of the appliances are in excellent shape and were removed during remodels and are functional. You can find whole kitchens, appliances, building supplies, parts, sinks, bathtubs, light fixtures; just about anything building/home related that you can think of. I will be there next week, and both locations are at the top of my list of places to visit.
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Post# 35445-1/12/2004-14:52 ||| Luis1 (West Covina, California)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint 4 burner electric stove
MESSAGE: I'm selling this electric stove that is in great condition. One owner. I think it was built in 1953. I have pictures that I can e-mail to anyone interested. I'm asking $300.00 (I'm flexible on price) for it, but the buyer must cover the shipping cost if its not local. We live in West Covina, California. That's 25 miles east of downtown Los Angeles. (626) 338-4405.
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Post# 35446-1/12/2004-16:52 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Drive belt slipping again? (drive belt slipping)
MESSAGE: I'm thinking more of an up and down Frigidaire,especially one with the window!
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Post# 35447-1/12/2004-16:59 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: GE washer 1050X in POD. This is the model I grew up with. I am hunting one down in good to exc condition. Any leads appreciated. (lbcarguy@charter.net)
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Post# 35448-1/12/2004-17:35 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
New member intro.
MESSAGE: Ken Lubinski,from South Bend,Indiana. My dad has repaired appliances as long as I've been around.44 years. He's now retired,but I run his used appliance store,along with driving a truck fulltime.
I'm always looking for,and getting in vintage appliances.Just sold a harvest gold pair of Maytags(A806&DE806),plus have a 57 Frigidaire refrig. on the floor for sale.Lots of used Maytag timers.I also collect Simplicity,and Allis Chalmers garden tractors.Can work deals either way,on appliances,or tractors.
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Post# 35449-1/12/2004-17:45 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New member intro.
MESSAGE: Welcome! Interesting combination -- appliances & tractors. Didn't Maytag start as a farm implement/machinery company?
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Post# 35450-1/12/2004-18:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchen Aid KDS-18
MESSAGE: thats interesting-I don't know of anyone that sells used dishwashers in my area.the used appliance shops around here sell used washers,dryers,fridges and sometimes TV sets.These are my prime hunting areas.I would like to have a vintage kichenaid machine-would match the vintage of my house-most of the homes in my neighborhood have vintage KA machines that still work.
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Post# 35451-1/12/2004-18:33 ||| Sandi (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
O'Keefe & Merritt-Antique Stove For Sale
MESSAGE: 36" W, 4 Burner, White/Chrome, Excellent Condition.
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Post# 35452-1/12/2004-20:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Drive belt slipping again?
MESSAGE: Yes, unfortunately our last ISP (which was just wonderful) has sold us again to a new service provider who seems to have put us on a very unreliable server. This is the third time we've been forced onto a completely new company. We might have to start shopping around for a new provider. When I get some time I can do this, in the mean time we might have to put up with a lot of blank pink pages unfortunately :(
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Post# 35453-1/12/2004-21:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Drive belt slipping again?
MESSAGE: Maybe the server is a Direct Drive Whirlpool on fast speed ripping the messages to shreds :-(
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Post# 35454-1/13/2004-01:23 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool Serial Number
MESSAGE: Hi Guys, :)
I have always been baffled by my Whirlpool's serial number. The book isn't very clear on deciphering it. Could one of you help me decode my serial number??? It is........C74116949. I know all the information is there, I just don't know how to decode it. Thanks in advance :)
Geoff
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Post# 35455-1/13/2004-13:19 ||| 59imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
59 Imperial found!
MESSAGE: Unit appears to be in running condition. Transmission appears clean, no leak. Belt needs replacement, needs new power cord. A couple rust spots appear in the inner basket, but it is bone dry so the pump must have worked the last time it was run. It does need some cleaning, as it has set in a storage shed for a long time. The control panel is in excellent shape for its age!
I will give more information when I pick it up, and commence on restoration. Any pointers will be helpful in getting it running again!
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Post# 35456-1/13/2004-16:15 ||| Claytonvr4 (new jersey)
SUBJECT:
1930's whirpool washer found
MESSAGE: i just purchased a home with a 1930's whirlpool clothes washers
but the seller is attempting to keep it. is it worth me putting up a fight to keep it. doug 973 953 1913 please call anytime. the home also has a large 1940's stove and frig.
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Post# 35457-1/13/2004-16:24 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
laundromat that wants to live
MESSAGE: help help i need some information to help finish this job i have a 1951 laundromat mod L5 greg has been such a help and i thank him for that but now im down to the last problem does anyone know what type or weight oil to use in the speed changer i used what i thought was right but the changer gets very hot and i dont want to burn it up also having a problem with the belts i did buy the size that the machine came with when it was new but i cant get the tension tight enough on the motor belt any ideas would be wonderful thanks chris at rombachcc@juno.com
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Post# 35458-1/13/2004-16:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, first of all how much oil did you put in? I'm not sure of the exact amount, but I'm pretty sure its listed in the Westinghouse Front Loader Repair-master, I'm at work now so I can't look it up, but I will tonight. Try using Ace Hardware's Air Compresser Oil, that is what I used in the Unimatic tranny. Do keep checking the temperature of the Speed Changer, its suppose to get warm, but not hot.
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Post# 35459-1/13/2004-16:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 59 Imperial found!
MESSAGE: Congrats on your find. That machine should be relatively easy to restore because you should be able to get 99% of the parts related to the inner workings.
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Post# 35460-1/13/2004-17:44 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live
MESSAGE: I remember one of our members did this with his speed change unit and on his first go, the oil was too thin and ran right back out of the unit. I found in the L4 Laundromat service manual specifies 5 ounces of Houghton Stayput #310 oil. Don't know if this product is still available, but perhaps someone will know a replacement.
Those belt adjustments didn't help? Did you try the next size smaller belt?
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Post# 35461-1/13/2004-18:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: That's a great looking control panel on that Kelvy
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Post# 35462-1/13/2004-18:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: New member intro. (44 years in business)
MESSAGE: 44 years repairing appliances? How's your stock of old parts? Geting desperate to find a drain pump for my 1962 Kenmore dishwasher. It pumps, but leaks. part 803888
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Post# 35463-1/13/2004-19:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live
MESSAGE: My book says use 5oz of Laundromat Oil, style 1465362. Of course this doesn't help much but at least we know from different sources the amount is 5 ounces. Looks like your going to have to experiment with different kinds of oil.
Another interesting tidbit is this:
"If the Laundromat Speed Change unit has been in a flood, it should be flushed out with a proper grade of solvent such as Solvex. When unit has been flushed out, use 6 ounces of Laundromat Oil, Style 1465362 instead of the 5 ounces as recommended above."
If you do experiment with different kinds of oil, it sounds like it might help to clean the unit out by flushing it with a solvent. I would use a mild very mild turpentine.
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Post# 35464-1/13/2004-20:12 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live
MESSAGE: ihave a service book for an L8 and when i got the machine the changer didnt work at all and i found it was bone dry so the first time took a guess and used 5-6 oz of automatic trans fluid mixed with an engine cleaner and ran it but it still didnt change so after letting it sit overnight i drained it and all this crud came out then i wasnt sure what type oil to use so i tried using a heavy air conditioner compressor oil and now it changes speed but it gets very hot so im not sure if i need thinner oil or thicker oil im guessin thinner because the changer really runs very slow maybe a thinner oil would let it pick up some speed and run cooler
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Post# 35465-1/13/2004-20:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 59 Imperial found!
MESSAGE: alas, I cannot get my '56 WP imperial running, STILL having timer issues ..........
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Post# 35466-1/13/2004-20:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live
MESSAGE: jetcone aka Jon in boston will probably have the answer to that ............ I think ? .........
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Post# 35467-1/13/2004-22:01 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (L5 speed changer)
MESSAGE: Please explain this to us. Did the westy use a one speed motor and this speed changer issue changed gear ratio or something to increase to fast for spin? Why did westy not just use a 2 speed motor? Also I think have that potato pulley issue str. it was to create a variable speed tumble as the belt revolved around the oval shaped or potato pulley is this right? thanks alr2903.
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Post# 35468-1/13/2004-22:11 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that wants to live.)
MESSAGE: Question this westy speed changer issue, 1. did westy use a one speed motor and this speed changer changed the gearing ratio or something to create the faster spin speed. and 2. Does this speed changer have to do with the potato pulley you have discussed in the past. 3. The potato pulley created a variable rpm tumble for wash and rinse is that right? 4. why didnt westy just use a 2 speed motor. Thanks guys just trying to understand this... and you all are Way ahead. Have a nice evening alr2903.
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Post# 35469-1/13/2004-22:13 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that wants to live.)
MESSAGE: Sorry about that i posted checked after a while my post was not showing up, redid it and now i have 2 thanks. alr.
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Post# 35470-1/14/2004-06:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that wants to live.)
MESSAGE: From what I can tell, this speed changer is like an automatic transmission with 2 speeds, a regular tumble speed and a spin speed.
I don't know anything about those old Westys so I'm just guessing at it.
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Post# 35471-1/14/2004-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Now THAT's a beautiful set. Spanks your clothes clean.
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Post# 35472-1/14/2004-07:54 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that wants to live.)
MESSAGE: 1. Correct, the speed changer is simply a transmission that when activated, spins the basket at 460-480 RPM to extract the water from the clothes. Normal tumble speed is 46-48 RPM.
2. No, the potato pulley was used in later models after the speed changer had been eliminated. A sliding motor pulley and two basket sheaves were used to change from tumble to spin speed.
3. Correct, the potato shaped pulley gave a variable speed during tumble periods. This helped with washability and tangling of the load, and was fun to watch!
4.Two speed motors powerful enough for washers usually run at 1140 and 1725 rpms. There would still have to be a way to reduce the speed for tumble and some kind of shifting mechanism to get the higher rpm (almost 10 times tumble speed) to the basket for spinning.
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Post# 35473-1/14/2004-07:55 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore
MESSAGE: Don (jetaction) is working on posting pictures of his beautiful Lady Kenmore set like this - they are truly beautiful and he's done a fantastic job restoring them to their original glory!
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Post# 35474-1/14/2004-08:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (Dextron II)
MESSAGE: Chris, you might want to try using Dextron II Automatic Transmission Oil. This is a red, lighter grade oil made for automobile transmissions. I have used this oil very sucessfully in Bendix washer and combo transmissions.
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Post# 35475-1/14/2004-08:58 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white)
MESSAGE: This was my "dream" set" and finally finished them this fall. My frist attempt at posting pictures. Got a digital camera for Christmas, so this is new to me. I imagine the quality will improve as I learn how to use it, but thanks to Greg, I have a yahoo photo album to share these pics with the club.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/album?.dir=/Kenmores&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/my_photos
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Post# 35476-1/14/2004-10:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Andy Griffith does Frigidaire
MESSAGE: If any of you watched TV Land, you would've seen a very COOL color episode of Andy Griffith.
In this episode, he opens up a laundromat and when he isn't Sherriffin' he's washing clothes.
Now he didn't just get any kind of machines, he got Frigidaire washers with round windows. They looked like the ones in the Ed Sullivan/Beatles DVD.
In one scene he loads a washer, closes the lid, puts in some quarters and watches the machine run for a few seconds.
Hopefully this show will run sometime in the future so I can record it.
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Post# 35477-1/14/2004-11:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white)
MESSAGE: Don,
Your Yahoo album is inaccessible, I think you forgot to set the Album to Public. You can change it by going to your album and click on Edit Album Info. It is probably now on Private. Click on Edit settings, there you can change it. Click on Save and your Album is visible to everyone.
Louis
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Post# 35478-1/14/2004-14:08 ||| billyparker (Chandler AZ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchen Aid KDS-18 (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for the information!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post# 35479-1/14/2004-14:08 ||| billyparker (Chandler AZ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchen Aid KDS-18 (KDS-18)
MESSAGE: Thanks Mark!!
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Post# 35480-1/14/2004-14:10 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, I did try the link in the proofread section before I posted and it worked, but probably because it recognized me. I did reset the preference to public, thanks for the tip, this is my first attempt at this, and did not know about that! Hope it works!
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Post# 35481-1/14/2004-14:14 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white)
MESSAGE: Don, Your machines are just fabulous looking, Im so proud of you and how nice they came to be. I know you are proud of your efforts too. And you figured out how to post them on yahoo! Thats sometimes an effort in inself! The Kenmore set that you have is just about the epitome of Kenmores, before the quality and cycles were compromised in the 70's and beyond. Next time I visit, I will make sure I have a real dirty load to try out in them.........
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Post# 35482-1/14/2004-18:34 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that will live)
MESSAGE: i tried the dextron II first then went to compressor oil for auto air conditioners but it think those were to thin got talkin with the techs at work today (auto dealer that i work for) they seem to think if the oil is to thin or to low it will run to hot so i got some straight 30 weight motor oil a non detergent type and used that today i put 6 oz in and ran it for 10 min this time it got nice and warm like good bath water but not hot like before where you couldnt touch the unit so i hope that does it still have to go for a bit shorter belt
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Post# 35483-1/14/2004-19:02 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that wants to live.)
MESSAGE: Gansky Thanks for straightening that out, I had been wondering. Long ago my family had spacemates. When the washer finally gave up, my Dad flipped the dryer.(so the controls where at the top, it lasted until the mid 70's and never required a service call it still worked when my parents replaced it. I always liked the window. Thanks again for the info. alr2903
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Post# 35484-1/14/2004-19:15 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white You go Don!)
MESSAGE: Don,
They are so stunning! I am so glad that you were able to get the complete set!
I bet they are so much fun to wash in!
What year is your other Lady K in the first pic of your Yahoo album?
Thanks for the pictures!
Brent
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Post# 35485-1/14/2004-19:50 ||| billyparker (Chandler AZ)
SUBJECT:
Kitchen aid KDS-18
MESSAGE: To all who replied to my last post, thank you. Any ideas on how I can find the age or value of the unit? I am not a collector by any means, however, I know the name, so bought the washer and at this point am happy with the purchase
Thanks Billy Parker
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Post# 35486-1/14/2004-22:35 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white You go Don!)
MESSAGE: Hi Don, What a beautiful Lady Kenmore set!! You should be very proud of what you have brought back to life!! I'm with Brent, they must be lots of fun to use. Love those lighted consoles and all those buttons. Terry
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Post# 35487-1/14/2004-23:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white)
MESSAGE: Gorgeous machines!
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Post# 35488-1/15/2004-00:58 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: You're welcome! That was worth the trouble! Wonderful machines. I love matching sets, but the first one is my favourite I think. Am I wrong or did we see the same one at John's warehouse?
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Post# 35489-1/15/2004-06:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
POD 1/15/04
MESSAGE: Does anyone happen to have the (I don't know what you call it) piece that connects the actual timer control knob to the timer shaft itself for this 1956 Whirlpool washer?? Its about an inch and a half to two inches long and about 1/8" diameter ........... thanks , any feedback/suggestions welcome
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Post# 35490-1/15/2004-07:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Yes)
MESSAGE: We got to play with the first one at John's warehouse. You turn the outside ring to select the cycle, then you pull out the middle knob, turn clockwise until it stop and then push it in.
Lady Kenmores are SO awesome!
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Post# 35491-1/15/2004-07:50 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: Your pics came out great Don - thanks for sharing them with us. Keep snapping, you have more beautiful machines!
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Post# 35492-1/15/2004-07:53 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 1/15/04
MESSAGE: Hi Greg - did you lose this piece or is this something that you can remove from the old timer and reuse?
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Post# 35493-1/15/2004-08:56 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: Yes the first one is a 59, and John has the washer and the dryer in his warehouse!
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Post# 35494-1/15/2004-09:14 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Andy Griffith does Frigidaire (Andy Griffith on TV Land)
MESSAGE: It was funny, but after reading your post yesterday, when Andy came on TV last night, I kept wondering if it could be the laundromat show...I don't usually watch that channel much... sure enough, Andy got offered the extra income job of emptying coin boxes on washers for $200 a month...for 10 minutes work a day. No problem, purple shirts that had been white, people dropping off laundry at the sherrif's station, trying to get out of parking tickets cause they were doing laundry. Aunt Bea put coins in the machine and soap suds started to come out of the bottom. (Soap suds usually came out of the top of Frigidaires anyway if oversudsed). I guess something needed work. The show was in color, I guess around '67-'68. Did you notice the funky colors the walls were painted back them?
There's a movie out there from the '80s called "My Beautiful Laundrette". If you haven't seen it, rent it, it's on video, about this decrepit laundromat that gets fixed up and turned around. It takes place in England. Love in the laundromat...
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Post# 35495-1/15/2004-14:08 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: Does he have both the Lady Kenmore set and another? The set I remember had pushbuttons and rapid-advance timer on the washer...
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Post# 35496-1/15/2004-14:10 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: Andy Griffith does Frigidaire (My Beautiful Launderette)
MESSAGE: And the original washers in the 'mat in the movie were top-loading Frigidaire...maybe some Speed Queens too.
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Post# 35497-1/15/2004-14:42 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: When I was there last, John had the set to the 59 Kenmore, of which I would love to find the dryer. He didn't have the dryer to the LK set, that I saw.
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Post# 35498-1/15/2004-16:06 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: John had this model
LK washer in his warehouse, and also the *match* for this
LK dryer, which is probably the one you are remembering.
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Post# 35499-1/15/2004-18:14 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: Don's washer is not a Lady Kenmore though, did John have both this one and the Lady too? Peter brought the "Lady" version for John to match that dryer you linked, Peter found it in a store in Atlanta. I saw a dryer similar to these in a thrift store a few years ago, I think it might have been a '60, with the fabulous Lint Storage system as well.
Here is John's washer - 59 Lady Kenmore
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/SRVAA+Convention+2002&.dnm=Pretty+59+Kenmore.jpg
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Post# 35500-1/15/2004-20:42 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white-should be accessable now)
MESSAGE: Oops. I thought somebody said both are LKs. I don't know where everything came from, but that's what I saw in John's warehouse.
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Post# 35501-1/15/2004-20:45 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
Heat-pump dryer
MESSAGE: There was a discussion of heat-pump dryers at THS recently. Does anybody know if Jeff got the one going that he was planning to rig-up?
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Post# 35502-1/15/2004-22:43 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: Heat-pump dryer
MESSAGE: I'm not sure if it has made it past the conceptual stages, but I think this is a great idea and probably would work beautifully. Imagine pressing the start button on your dryer and hearing a compressor start at the same time! The downside is that the retail price could make full production prohibitive. Are there people interested in placing an order? ;-)
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Post# 35503-1/16/2004-00:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
International Harvester refrigerator
MESSAGE: A friend told me he noticed that the refrigerator in Monica & Chandler's apartment on "Friends" was an International Harvester. Anybody have the low-down on this?
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Post# 35504-1/16/2004-00:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Lady Kenmore (Here they are in white)
MESSAGE: God, how that really brings back the memories of helping my Great Aunt at her housekeeping job, where the family had this set. Helped her run many a load through that set. She used to "cheat" by setting the machine to the "A" cycle (Cottons-Linens White, hot water) then moving the timer manually a notch to get warm water while keeping the long 14 minute wash cycle, rather than using the "B" cycle (Cottons-Linens Colored, warm water, 10 minute wash)
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Post# 35505-1/16/2004-08:13 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heat-pump dryer
MESSAGE: Hmmm.. Haven't heard of that. So I guess he could reverse the valve and freeze his clothes as well :-)
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Post# 35506-1/16/2004-08:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Looks like Applianceville is washing again
MESSAGE: The messages are staying on the previous page now.
YAY
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Post# 35507-1/16/2004-10:55 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: International Harvester refrigerator
MESSAGE: Your friend is right. It is an IH refrigeratior. IH made refrigerators from 1947-1955. They also made freezers and air conditioners. You can find mag ads for them on ebay.
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Post# 35508-1/16/2004-12:17 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: International Harvester refrigerator
MESSAGE: I have an early 50's brochure for IH refrigerators that touts them being "Femineered" to make the housewife's food storage tasks easier and more pleasant.
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Post# 35509-1/16/2004-13:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: International Harvester refrigerator
MESSAGE: That's kinda funny and ironic sounding because IH made trucks and tractors that were probably "Masculeered" to make driving easy for the man.
"It's a MAN'S TRUCK... ARR ARR ARR ARR"
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Post# 35510-1/16/2004-19:00 ||| Ljswisc (Wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Hi..I'm new here..
We're cleaning out the basement and there is an old Nash Kelvinator Refridgerator down there. I don't know what year but I do have a model number. It was down there running when we bought the house. A couple years ago we turned it off because we never used it.. to save electricity..and now it doesn't seem to want to run. I was thinking about putting an ad in the paper to give it away.. was wondering if there's any value to it at all? Any suggestions?
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Post# 35511-1/16/2004-19:07 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: International Harvester refrigerator
MESSAGE: I found an IH 'fridge about 10 years ago,on one of my "appliance pick up stops" Put a universal control in it,to get it to work,and gave it to my brother in law.Still happily residing in his garage.Goes right along with his dad's IH Farmall Super C tractor. Eventually,everything comes together,as it should.
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Post# 35512-1/17/2004-13:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 1/15/04 (lost piece)
MESSAGE: I lost the piece, I cannot find it anywhere, you watch it will turn up at some point ...... I am hoping it will be the same setup on the '57 Kenmore I found and I will use that one .....,
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Post# 35513-1/17/2004-13:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kelvinator
MESSAGE: whats its aesthetic condition ?? and parts/drawers/etc. missing ??
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Post# 35514-1/17/2004-17:26 ||| ljswisc (Wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Thank you for replying. There are no parts missing. I was surprised to find it didn't work when we turned it back on because it worked great up until we simply turned it off. It has been spraypainted black..I don't know when. Model number is ES-R and it has engraved part numbers on the back as well as a diagram of the circuitry. There is one door and the freezer is in a little cabinet inside the refridgerator. The door opens the entire length of the fridge. I haven't seen any that look just like it on line.
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Post# 35515-1/17/2004-17:46 ||| abccoach (detroit)
SUBJECT:
automatic washer for 1955 ABC Super Coach Trailer
MESSAGE: If you enter "Atlas of Mobile Homes" you can bring up a list of vintage mobile homes. On the left side of this list is a "1955 ABC" This is the trailer I'm restoring; it shows the inside of the kitchen (which is a Youngstown!) next to the fridge is a washingmachine; I thought it was a dishwasher at first. Do any of you, with all the knowledge and resources you've amassed! Have any idea what kind of washer this is? I'm debating if I'd like to get one of these, that is, if I can. My trailer didn't have this extra, I do have more Youngtown cabinet space though! Thanks.
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Post# 35516-1/17/2004-18:16 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: automatic washer for 1955 ABC Super Coach Trailer (Bendix Economat)
MESSAGE: This washer is a Bendix rubber tub washing machine. It was an agitator washer that used a rubber tub and a pump that could create a vacuum to squeeze the clothes around the agitator to extract the wash and rinsing water. Several models of this were made from about 1951-52 through 1957-58. Robert has one of these in his collection that I had here for a while. The model in the picture is obviously a little older, Imperial Bob, another member has one very similar to the model in your picture-link. Cosmetic changes mostly, the basic machine is the same. It was available in a fully automatic model or a semi-automatic version that allowed the user to control each phase of the washing/rinsing/extraction cycles.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Bendix&.dnm=1952+Economat+(Rubber+Tub).jpg
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Post# 35517-1/17/2004-18:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Heat-pump dryer
MESSAGE: I believe AEG already make one. It is extraodinarily expensive though. Any further discussion had better go to the sandbox.
Chris.
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Post# 35518-1/17/2004-18:59 ||| abccoach (detroit)
SUBJECT:
RE: automatic washer for 1955 ABC Super Coach Trailer (Bendix Economat)
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for the info! I've got to be crazy to be restoring a trailer (Did you see the picture?) My friends don't believe there are people restoring and collecting old appliances either! I think I'm in good company here! Were these very big? I think not, as they were in a housetrailer. What is the measurements of yours? Do you know if anyone might be willing to sell one? Thanks again for the information...
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Post# 35519-1/17/2004-19:11 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that wants to live. (two speed motors for front loaders))
MESSAGE:
There are/were two speed motors for front loaders. They were by far the most common type of front loader motor on European made machines in the late sixties, seventies and eighties, till faster spin speeds became more popular. They have two windings: two pole, and sixteen, eighteen or twenty pole depending on the brand. On 50hz supply this gives MOTOR speeds (not drum speeds) of 2850 rpm (2 pole)(which is always the spin speed); and either 360 rpm (16 pole) 280 rpm (18 pole) or something even slower for the 20 pole. The more poles to the winding, the slower the motor turns.
So: a 2 pole/16 pole motor gives about an 8:1 ratio of spin speed to wash speed, which will always be terribly slow spin. (about 450 on most machines). The actual speed is a function of pulley sizes, but you can't design it for a faster spin speed without also increasing the wash speed, and if it tumbles too fast the clothes don't tumble properly, they just go around without dropping. Some Gorenje machines had this problem and a revised pulley was available to slow down the drum speed.
A 2 pole/18 pole motor allowed a slightly faster spin, about 550 rpm. Lots of Bendix (Philco Italia) machines of the 70's had these, my mother had one for years. Still a poor spin, a basket of washing was heavy to lift. The cheapest Whirlpool front loader sold in Australia (manufactured in China) still uses one of these motors.
A 2pole/20 pole motor allows about a 600 rpm spin.
These motors were simple, quiet and particularly reliable, their only drawbacks were slow spin speeds and large size. (they got bigger and heavier with more poles, the 20 pole motors were huge)
They fell from favour as faster spin speeds were demanded. A few Italian made machines used tricks to increase spin speed, including expanding pulleys (Indesit, Candy) or fixed larger pulleys with electronic control of the slow speed winding to achieve slow tumble speeds even when pulleys were sized to give a faster (10000 rpm) spin. (Bendix, Zanussi, Eurotech).
The limit of these motors is about 1000 rpm spin, any faster and other motor technologies must be used, so they have faded from use except in the cheapest models of European machines.
Some also had three windings, with a 4 pole winding too so it could offer a slow spin for delicates.
I have never heard of them being used in an American machine, is that right?
Chris.
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Post# 35520-1/18/2004-09:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: automatic washer for 1955 ABC Super Coach Trailer (Bendix Economat)
MESSAGE: HEY! Vintage mobile homes are cool! The ones from the 50s are really cool. I live in a not-so-vintage mobile home but it would be cool to own a trailer from the 50s. Those were very small but still livable.
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Post# 35521-1/18/2004-09:43 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: automatic washer for 1955 ABC Super Coach Trailer (Bendix Economat)
MESSAGE: This sounds so cool, do you plan on living in it when it's done?
The mesurements of the Economat are: 23 3/4" W, 27 1/4" D, 37" H with lid closed and 58 1/8" H with lid open.
One nice feature of this machine in a house trailer is that since it did not spin to extract the water, there was little or no vibration.
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Post# 35522-1/18/2004-11:26 ||| bsmntfullosuds (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist?
MESSAGE: I saw one of these at Home Depot:
"...Neptune Drying Center is a unique, climate-controlled drying cabinet stacked on top of a traditional tumble dryer.
Now your delicates can be neatly stashed and gently treated inside the cabinet - either hung (with special hangers) or dried flat on five mesh shelves that can be removed to make more hanging space.
Working rather like a convection oven, Maytag's drying cabinet moves warm, steam-infused air around and through the clothes.
Another cute touch is the "Wrinkle Release Rod" on which clothes are hung. It gently sways back and forth to ape the movement of line-drying clothes fluttering in the wind.
The cabinet also has hooks on the inside door for hats, scarves, tennis shoes and more..."
Is this really a new idea, or does a classic equivalent exist, that can be restored for a fraction of the $1,200 price?
LINK: http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/7117011.htm
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Post# 35523-1/18/2004-15:52 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist? (Interesting sandbox topic)
MESSAGE: To my knowlege, this is something new in an appliance and therefore a great topic for the sandbox now.
But on the vintage side...
I have seen in very old apartment buildings some heated cabinets with pull-out rods for hanging clothes on. The building in particular that sticks out in my memory had two rows, back to back of beautiful porcelain laundry tubs with slanted fronts, each with it's own hot and cold taps. Each apartment had a storage locker along the laundry room walls for storing supplies and a wringer washing machine that could be rolled up to the sinks for use. There were 8 compartments to the drying cabinet, one for each apartment. I seem to think the cabinet (very large - possibly 8' square and high) was heated with a gas burner of some sort. I'll bet it was a fun social activity on Monday mornings to meet the other neighbor ladies in the basement for laundry and gossip!
In old magazines, there were frequent examples of laundry room planning where a closet or cabinet with rods or hooks, a tile floor and drain was used for "drip drying" clothes that could not be machine dried or needed protection from yellowing or fading in the sun. These were also great for kids wet winter articles to dry without mussing your kitchen or laundry floors...
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 35524-1/18/2004-15:56 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist? (Believe it or not there is a classic equivilant.....)
MESSAGE: According to the book A Walk In The Park (The History of Appliance Park) in 1934 GE offered a clothes dryer called the Juddleson Dryer. It was a cabinet where you hung your clothes on rods (like in a closet or the new Neppy Drying Center) and heated air was supposed to dry them. According to the book it didn't work that well at all and GE only sold token amounts of them before giving up on the idea. But it does prove that the old cliche "everything old is new again" certainly is true PAT COFFEY
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Post# 35525-1/18/2004-16:06 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist? (Believe it or not there is a classic equivilant.....)
MESSAGE: Someone else here once mentioned having a smaller, fan forced drying cabinet in an apartment as a child.
I suppose with the limited capacity of such a cabinet, a tumbler dryer would come out the more versatile winner and the design goes the way of the pulsator and bouncing baskets!
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Post# 35526-1/18/2004-17:25 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist? (What an EXCELLENT memory you have! :-))
MESSAGE: That "Someone else here once mentioned having a smaller, fan forced drying cabinet in an apartment as a child" was me and I only mentioned it once on the Board! I'm pleasantly surprised that you remembered that post! :-)
My 78 year old mom HATES clothes dryers and doesn't own one. I was born in 1956, my brother in 1958 and my sister in 1960, so that meant that my parents had at least one kid in diapers from 1956 until approximately 1962. (This was before disposables.) We lived in an apartment and, until my sister was born, mom used the laundromat around the corner from our apartment building (Bendix front loaders -- I used to love those machines, but I digress) to do the family wash. (Mom got a Maytag shortly after my sister was born.) She carted the wet laundry back to our apartment and hung it out to dry. Unless it was raining, then she carted it home (the laudromat had 16 washers and four dryers so there was usually a long wait for the dryers on rainy days) and used this very unusual top loading electric dryer to dry the wash. It must be VERY rare, because I've never seen another one like it. I have no idea who made it and mom doesn't remember.
This dryer loaded from the top. It had a VERY heavy lid. (More about that later.) It was on casters. It was slighly smaller then mom's top loading LK portable dishwasher. (Notice that mom had a dishwasher BEFORE she got a washing machine.) It operated on regular household current. The timer dial was INSIDE the dryer. (On the back wall, near the top.) There was heating element (it looked very similar to the heating element in a toaster) and a fan on inside bottom of the cabinet. They were covered by a screen. A single layer of folded clothes (usually diapers) was placed on the screen. The rest of the laundry was draped over a removable u-shaped metal rack on the dryer's back way. (In the middle -- about halfway up.) The dryer had to be placed near an open window and that must have been very interesting during very heavy rains. (I'm sure that rain sometimes blew in through open window. LOL!) The heated air was not only strong enough to dry the wet laundry, but it also SLIGHTLY lifted the heavy lid (that's how it vented -- hence the need for the open window!), which would fall back down with a thud -- more or less continuously -- when the dryer was being used. You could always tell when it was running. I've always wondered why the laundry didn't go flying all over the place (no clothespins were used to hold it in place), especially near the end of the drying cycle.
Mom hated the dryer so much that she gave it to a neighbor, who had infant identical twin daughters, as soon as my sister was out of diapers. The neighbor was still using it (you could always tell when it was on) during rainy weather, when we moved from the neighborhood.
Thanks for remembering my post, and for making me take a walk down memory lane! :-)
Mike
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Post# 35527-1/18/2004-18:18 ||| abccoach (detroit)
SUBJECT:
automatic washer for 1955 ABC Housetrailer.
MESSAGE: My other post disapeared! And the reply! If you enter "Atlas of Mobile Homes" you can get a list of vintage trailers; go down the left column and you will come to a "1955 ABC" this is the trailer I'm restoring; one of the options was an "automatic washer" someone here was able to tell me the model they saw in the picture; I was wondering if they could help me again! Thanks. If anyone is selling a model like this, let me know! Thanks.
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Post# 35528-1/18/2004-18:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: laundromat that wants to live (westy that wants to live. (two speed motors for front loaders))
MESSAGE: Yes-Ican remember two power tools in a high school shop class that had similar multipole AC motors.With 3 ph it is more convenient and more efficient.The motors were uesed on a 36" disc sander and a 36" band saw.At the time these tools were designed(early 50's) power was very cheap.The big problem with multipole low speed motors is VERY poor efficiency.Losses are high.With modern switching type VFD's this has been improved-low speeds can be obtained with standard 2 and 4 pole motors(3600,1800 RPM 60Hz)The VFD just changes the frequency fed to the motor.
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Post# 35529-1/18/2004-18:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: International Harvester refrigerator
MESSAGE: Sounds very interesting-the farmer uses his IH tractor to till and plant,harvest the farm product-then it is stored in the IH fridge.
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Post# 35530-1/19/2004-07:48 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: automatic washer for 1955 ABC Housetrailer.
MESSAGE: I don't know of anyone selling one of these washers, you can keep an eye on the classified ad section (from the homepage of this site) you never know what may turn up. Also estate sales, tag sales and auctions might prove fruitful as they have for some of our members in the past. The problem is that unless one was pushed aside and stored for many years, most of these washers were junked along with many other of our favorites. The downfall of these particular machines, from their introduction in the early 50's was the rubber tubs, one missed nail or sharp object left in a pocket could puncture the tub and render the machine useless. Combine that with parts not being available for 30+ years and it makes for a rare find indeed.
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Post# 35531-1/19/2004-07:51 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist? (What an EXCELLENT memory you have! :-))
MESSAGE: When it comes to laundry stories.... ;-)
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Post# 35532-1/19/2004-13:22 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT:
designing our own machine
MESSAGE: I was just in our museum watching the clips of the ABC washer.I had the pleasure of using a mid 60s Kelvinator for a while years ago and was always impressed with how powerful the washing action was,and how easy it was on clothes(except for the tangling).Couldnt this be adapted to a modern machine,and wouldnt a solid tub be a great water saver for top loaders(since the space between the inner and outer tubs wouldnt have to be filled)if a metered fill was used to deliver the exact amount needed?Why cant we design our own machine-in theory of course.Should make for some interesting discussions anyway!
Tom
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Post# 35533-1/19/2004-14:32 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Easy Spiralator
MESSAGE: Does anyone in the club have an Easy Spiralator Washer from the 50's, and if so, are there any photos in the scrapbooks of them? What ever happened to the Easy Company- did it get swallowed up into another corporation?
Jerry
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Post# 35534-1/19/2004-16:32 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Spiralator (Not positive, but...)
MESSAGE: I saw a message a while back saying that Easy was bought from Murray Corp. (?) by WCI, who promptly retired the name.
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Post# 35535-1/19/2004-16:34 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist? (Interesting sandbox topic)
MESSAGE: Where and when did this laundry room exist? Sounds amazing!
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Post# 35536-1/19/2004-16:53 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Interesting find at the bookstore today
MESSAGE: I went to a used bookstore today and found a home decorating guide from 1972 that was just too good to resist. Besides the instructions on how to create your own "discotheque party room" complete with go-go cage (can't make this stuff up, folks!), it has some neat laundry/utility room designs with pictures of fantastic machines.
There are FilterFlo sets, Frigidaires with the little round timer windows, an early '50s GE set with windowed dryer (!!!) and more Maytags than you can shake a lint screen at, including Granny Clampett's pushbutton models. One photo shows vintage boxes of All and Cold Power, and the best pic even has COPPERTONE Maytags! The pic is b&w, but you can still tell.
For food-prep fans, there are fully appointed Hotpoint and GE kitchens and a couple of eye-level Caloric double-oven gas ranges.
If I had a scanner (or the slightest idea of how to use one) I'd post pics, but since I do not I cannot. But I'm happy with my new find and figured my fellow appliance enthusiasts would get a kick out of it.
Happy washing, everybody!
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Post# 35537-1/19/2004-17:29 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classic equivalent to new Maytag Neptune Drying Center exist? (Vintage Heated Drying Cabinets)
MESSAGE: Hi,
My family has lived in the same small city in New Jersey for three generations. (I still live there.) The 44 unit apartment buiding that we lived in, while I was growing up, was built in 1907. At one time, it had heated drying cabinets in the basement. (They had been disconnected by the time my family moved in.) They were two sets of them. One in the northern part of the building and one in the southern part of the building. They were tall -- they ran from the floor to the ceiling -- were approximately two feet wide. They were about a dozen of them in each part of the building. Each one was numbered. (Just like the machines in a laudromat.) You opened them by pulling the front of the cabinet towards you. It was mounted on a track that was secured on the opposite wall. There were a couple of rows of staggered pipes that were attached to the front of the cabinent. They were pulled towards you when you opened the cabinet. By the time that I came along, there were covered with rust. I wish that I had gotten to see them in operation.
At one time, this was a "luxury" building. (It was pretty run down by the time we moved out, in 1974.) The people who lived there when it was first built must have had maids. Every kitchen, had a double sink. The second tub was deeper then the main tub and was obviously used for washing clothes by hand. There were wooden contraptions, that older residents said were curtin stretchers (I'm guessing that they were for lace curtins), in another part of basement.
When my family first moved in, there was a single coin operated washer and dryer in yet another part of the basement. Those machines were removed shortly after we moved in. I just barely remember them. (The sign warning against over sudsing was still there when we moved.) Mom did the family wash in the laundromat around the corner, until she got her first Maytag, shortly after my sister was born, in 1960.
Mike
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Post# 35538-1/19/2004-19:37 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
Food TV
MESSAGE: Last night, Food TV had a special on "Kitchens of the Future" which was a virtural 1950's Frigidaire commercial!! There were several references to current kitchen ideas (of course), but I couldnt believe the Frigidaire (and Westinghouse) commercials used in this broadcast. I recorded it, and should review the credits to see where they found these reels.....I think it will be on again next Saturday 1/24
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Post# 35539-1/19/2004-21:11 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
' 56 GE Mobile Maid DW timer questions .......
MESSAGE: Well, Midwest Timer does not have the timer in my DW. Thanks to "jetcone" for helping me take the timer apart and clean the contacts. However, I now need a "45 sec" increment timer motor, part # ET-452-09117. The actual gear off the motor that drives the timer mechanism is stripped or worn away as if someone advanced the timer to rapidly forward or turned it counterclockwise too. Does anyone know where I can get a new motor period ??? My other question is does anyone have a wiring diagram for this DW model # 1SP40N ?? thanks ......
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Post# 35540-1/19/2004-21:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
1962 Kelvinator
MESSAGE: Well I learned a little something new again today. I was at Jon's (jetcone) house and he was troubleshooting the fact that his washer motor kept shorting out and quitting. Well it was as simple as putting a little vaseline around the clutch where the cork of the inner clutch rubs against the outer clutch. Having a little slippage is a good thing to allow the machine to "cetch up" speed with the motor, especially on spin. While having the machine tipped on its front side. He also got a "grease gun" like in the automotive shops and lubed three different points, one under the agitator and two below the outer tub on the transmission. The machine is running perfectly again and oh so quiet too. I have to say that I think the Kelvinator is one of my favorite vintage washing machines.
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Post# 35541-1/19/2004-21:35 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Spiralator (EASY photo)
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry,
I have a 1947 EASY spindrier spiralator washer. It does a great job and gives really good turnover too. Jetcone has a fully automatic one.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/detail?.dir=/Washers&.dnm=EASY+spindrier+1947.jpg
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Post# 35542-1/19/2004-22:16 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Food TV
MESSAGE: I saw the show as well Steve. They sure were fantastic commercials. I hope that you can find their source. Not only have the machines we have to pick from today changed for the worse so have their commercials. It was a very interesting show. If you didn't see it check it out when it is on again.
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Post# 35543-1/20/2004-16:58 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
CONSTRUCTA Washer
MESSAGE: look at this old Constructa washer that boil the whites. Great Constructa...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3268108930&category=8419
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Post# 35544-1/21/2004-03:11 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
International Harvester Fridge
MESSAGE: Hey,
Just thought that I would chime in something that I DO know about.....and that is that the very same model fridge that is in the apartemnt on the show Freinds, was on the set of the T.V. Show One Day At A Time running concurrently from 1976-1983.
The refrigerator in question was in the kitchen in the 1976-1979 seasons, and was unfortunatly abolished for the next season, as they finally redecorated the old apartment. This is where I say the show "jumped the shark" so to speak...
If any of you remember there was several episodes where there was Speed Queens in the basement laundry. In MANY of the episodes, it was just "suspected" that there was a laundry room.
Where vacuum cleaners are concerned, there were two episodes where a Hoover Commercial Model 918 was used. I suspected that the machine was the same as the one that was featured several times in the apartment on Laverne and Shirley. Later in the show One Day At A time and in the opening credits for the 1979 season there was Schneider working on a mid-to late 70's Kenmore Powermate Canister.
I just recently watched some back episodes of Freinds and none of them have a shot with the firdge open or running?
Anyway....that's my thoughts.
Chad
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Post# 35545-1/21/2004-06:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: CONSTRUCTA Washer
MESSAGE: Thank you for the link! That is a great washer. Are you sure this one did already have the boil wash option? I thought only later models had it.
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Post# 35546-1/21/2004-12:00 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
Todays POD
MESSAGE: I think it is a Whirlpool.
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Post# 35547-1/21/2004-15:39 ||| Seanfawcett (Boston)
SUBJECT:
Replacement for Sensi-temp burner?
MESSAGE: Hi:
I have a rather old (probably 30 years) General Electric oven and range which has a "Sensi-temp" burner in the left front. This element no longer works and I have ordered a replacement from GE.
However, my question is this: Does anyone know if it's possible to retrofit this Range with a standard burner? If so, how complicated is it?
The Stove is good and it was pretty top-of-the-line when it was new. I hate to get rid of it just because one element is bad.
Thanks
Sean
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Post# 35548-1/21/2004-15:45 ||| ljswisc (Wisconsin)
SUBJECT:
Kelvinator Refridgerator
MESSAGE: Ok.. I've found out on that antiqueappliances.com website that they typically pay $150-$300..for unrestored appliances. I'm planning on taking a photo and emailing it to them to see if they would like to buy it for restoration. I'd really like to see someone get it that plans to restore it. Is anyone else interested in a photo? Let me know... Thanks!
lori10_@excite.com
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Post# 35549-1/21/2004-16:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kelvinator Refridgerator
MESSAGE: They may buy it, but you will probably have to ship it to them or take it to them yourself. Clayton, GA is a couple hours northeast of Atlanta in the middle of nowhere.
-ph
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Post# 35550-1/21/2004-21:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kelvinator Refridgerator (buy and pick up)
MESSAGE: actually they may pick it up, I sold two stoves and a frig to them and they drove up from GA and picked up all three, one back in May and the other two in late October
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Post# 35551-1/21/2004-21:58 ||| Thorautomagic (Fairview, TN)
SUBJECT:
Cottonwood Appliances/Thor AutoMagic
MESSAGE: Last year, there was a posting about a firm called Cottonwood Appliances, in Cottonwood, Alabama. The firm had several Thor AutoMagic washer/dishwashers for sale, including one in mint condition, with all the "bells and whistles," so to speak, for which he was asking $5,750, with a $1,000 deposit, or something like that. I've tried looking for this firm's phone number online, but without success. Does anyone have this company's postal address and phone number? Do they have a website by any chance? My maternal grandmother owned one of these beauties, so I have a VERY strong interest in them! Thanks in advance for any help or advice.
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Post# 35552-1/21/2004-22:05 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Replacement for Sensi-temp burner?
MESSAGE: To my knowledge you cannot convert the sensi-temp burner to regular operation because you would have to change the infinite switch as well. Your problem may be the sensi temp unit that sits in the middle of the surface unit. The sensor is pretty expensive, but if the unit does not heat at all, the sensor may be the problen, not the surface unit. email me if you need more info
John
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Post# 35553-1/21/2004-22:18 ||| abccoach (detroit)
SUBJECT:
RE: automatic washer for 1955 ABC Housetrailer. (DW for 1955 ABC Housetrailer.)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the info! I like this site; so much gets thrown away; or so much has been thrown away in the past. You all own treasures that have somehow survived a fast moving world!
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Post# 35554-1/21/2004-22:30 ||| abccoach (detroit)
SUBJECT:
Mid 1950's Bendix Washer/dryer combination.
MESSAGE: You have all been very helpful here; When I was growing up, my mother had a Bendix washer, she bought it when she first got married approx 1955/56?
The washer had a round door in the front; a door on the top to (put soap in?) and I believe it could be a washer and dryer; it had a chrome door you lifted up in front with 2 dials underneath, I think were chrome...,My father, electrical Engineer, that he is, kept that thing running until the early 80's! (and my parents had 6 kids!) That poor machine!
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Post# 35555-1/22/2004-09:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Cycla-Fabric Washer & Westinghouse Slant-Front Dryer in Suburban NY
MESSAGE: There's an 1950s Kenmore "Cycla-fabric" top loader, a 1953 or 1954 "How Dry I am" Dryer and a Montgomery-Ward mangle with papers in decent shape available in Suburban NYC.
He said the house will close in a few weeks and would speak to whoever's interested ASAP. Moving isn't bad since it's at driveway level.
His name and cell-phone:
James, (845) 656-2604. Home is at 20 Winslow Road, in White Plains, Westchester, NY, not very far from Connecticut or Jersey borders.
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Post# 35556-1/22/2004-15:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Cycla-Fabric Washer & Westinghouse Slant-Front Dryer in Suburban NY (Kenmore Cycla-Fabric Washer & Westinghouse Slant-Front Dryer in Suburban NY)
MESSAGE: That is very close to myself
Peter
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Post# 35557-1/22/2004-17:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
FOR SALE
MESSAGE: I have listed the following under ebay #'s .......
3268860536
3268825825
3268825521
if anyone is interested .......... thanks .......
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Post# 35558-1/23/2004-22:26 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: FOR SALE (Nice )
MESSAGE: Greg,
Very nice machines!
I hope you have really good luck selling them.
I guess you are running out of room.....
Brent
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Post# 35559-1/24/2004-12:04 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: FOR SALE
MESSAGE: I keep forgetting all the fun things you have - this is a good idea to clear some space, I should do the same thing!
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Post# 35560-1/24/2004-12:28 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
1980 Whirlpool Reborn
MESSAGE: John Lefever in Maryland sent me a control panel with a good circuit board for my Whirlpool electronic washer this week (thanks John!) and I was able to get repaired and running perfectly again. Although this isn't the most "vintage" machine in my collection and is, regrettably, one of my least favorite colors (almond) it is fascinating to see the early use of electronics combined with electromechanical relays and controls in a washer. Whirlpool introduced an electronic touchpad washer in 1978, this washer uses the same components and controls.
Last night I changed the Double-Duty Super Surgilator agitator with a Kenmore Penta-Swirl, my favorite of the large capacity WP/KM machines. I will have to keep my eyes peeled for a Dual-Action agitator of this vintage as I've never used one of those in a belt-drive machine - other than the demo machines I remember at Sears.
Here's a few pics of the washer in his new home...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/5cf3&.dnm=6f5b.jpg
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Post# 35561-1/24/2004-13:07 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
a new toy
MESSAGE: I picked up a new toy last week - a harvest gold GM Frigidaire Skinni Mini. It works great, except the washer timer does not advance. It's no Unimatic, but it is fun to watch the overflow rinse and the solid tub throw out the water. The agitub has a very long, slow stroke - which is fun to watch, and it has "rapid-dry 575" spin ...hahaha. I couldn't let it go to the crusher because of its historic value...this was GM's last washer design. Here are a few pics of it.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/detail?.dir=/1955+Filtrator&.dnm=3952.jpg
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Post# 35562-1/24/2004-14:14 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1980 Whirlpool Reborn (Greg and Rich)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, The Whirlpool sounds like a very interesting machine but Yahoo says that the file is inaccessible. Rich, that Skinni mini looks like it is in perfect condition. Neat that the labels are still in such good shape. Terry
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Post# 35563-1/24/2004-15:17 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: 1980 Whirlpool Reborn (link fixed)
MESSAGE: Oops, sorry about that - I changed the settings.
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Post# 35564-1/24/2004-15:21 ||| Easy-spindrier (Chicago metro)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Spiralator (Easy-Spin )
MESSAGE: I think they were finally bought by Gibson.from there i have no idea what happend to thee comapny, I have a model made in 1968 that says Gibson Appliance. another one I have from 1945 says Murrey Corp. Hope this helps you,
If any one starts an Easy Washing Machine Club. I would like to join something of that nature. Those machines were built like tanks..........
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Post# 35565-1/24/2004-15:22 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (Syncro-Swinging in CA)
MESSAGE: The timer not working could be a good thing - perpetual overflow rinsing. Midwest Timer will probably be able to help - you just need the part number of your timer.
What's your opinion on the washing ability? I have yet to see one of these running, a friend of my grandmothers had one (freestanding washer and dryer) but it was never in use when we were there.
I peeped over at the 55 dryer again - what a stunning beauty she is!
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Post# 35566-1/24/2004-16:21 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy
MESSAGE: Had one of these a long time ago when I first got into the repair business. Very unique mechanism; double belts and cable drive.
I have a 2 cycle timer for the washer if you are interested. I believe this is a time fill model with regular & delicate cycles(2 speed motor). Aside from the solid tub, it did a decent load of laundry ( did a fairly big load for a compact washer. I think the weak spot was the stack up clutch; and it would suds lock fairly easily, especially during the first spin. Never cared much for the dryer though!
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Post# 35567-1/24/2004-16:34 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: FOR SALE (Nice )
MESSAGE: thanks brent,yea definately out of room, nevermind running, hehehe
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Post# 35568-1/24/2004-16:37 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: FOR SALE
MESSAGE: I actually pulled/cancelled the Maytag set bid. Decided to keep them. So hard to find a set. The dryers will get stripped for a few parts and trashed if they don't sell. Got to pick and choose now and leave room for a couple dream machines :)
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Post# 35569-1/24/2004-16:42 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1980 Whirlpool Reborn (nice)
MESSAGE: thats a nice/cool looking console Greg ....... I have mixed feelings about my '75 or '78 Whirlpool that I spent almost three hundred with a full restore. I don't think it was "vintage" enough and I probably should have trashed it; but I did like the huge capacity tub. I had my '63 Kenmore redone at the same time. Now thats a beauty. She runs so much quieter than the newer Whirlpool AND even better the Kenmore has a very cool panel the way it lights up.
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Post# 35570-1/24/2004-16:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy
MESSAGE: great pics Rich and what a cool looking agitator, I would love to see that in action ......
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Post# 35571-1/24/2004-17:39 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy
MESSAGE: I, too, have a skinny mini, but in coppertone. They have good turnover as long as you don't overload them. I was always amazed at how it got the clothes turning over, since the agitator and tub are all one piece. These held more than the WCI design that followed them. Jason enjoyed this machine at our last New Orleans Wash-in. Jason, are you ready to Agi-tub again? Or should I say "Agi-Cub"???
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Post# 35572-1/24/2004-20:15 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
pod
MESSAGE: I clearly remember the High fasion set as well as the high fasion range that had a built in warming light located above the shelf over the cooktop.Frigidaire also made a 30 inch range with a built in hot water dispenser.
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Post# 35573-1/24/2004-21:48 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1980 Whirlpool Reborn
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, The pictures are now coming through great. Like all of your machines this is another beauty. Do any of the touch pads light up? The almond color looks really nice with your gray walls.
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Post# 35574-1/24/2004-21:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (YEAH)
MESSAGE: Glad you're feeling better. A washin sounds great with me. Agitub/LGs/1-18s/Rapidry.. all in the land of rust.
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Post# 35575-1/25/2004-01:58 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (YEAH)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Jason, I am feeling better and slowly getting back to normal again ... well, if I was normal before my illness. We need to plan another wash-in ... and there is another machine since you were last at my house. I won't tell you what it is until the next wash-in. Hey ALR, are you ready to join us?
Anyone else close to New Orleans???
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Post# 35576-1/25/2004-10:42 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (YEAH)
MESSAGE: Now, that's not fair! Inquiring minds are dying to know what you have new....
Glad you are feeling better and on the road to "normal" again, let me know what that is when you get there, as far as I knew, it's a cycle on a washer dial!
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Post# 35577-1/25/2004-11:48 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (YEAH T00000000)
MESSAGE: Todd, Jason, Please count me IN. A fun Saturday is just what We need. alr2903
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Post# 35578-1/25/2004-13:00 ||| Rinse&spin (Alabama)
SUBJECT:
Today's POD
MESSAGE: I remember this Maytag! It's just like my grandfather had when I was 6 or 7 years old. I never knew what the button and the flap on the door were for. Can someone tell me? It really used to tick me off because the door was so thick when I lifted it up, I couldn't watch it wash. It would always stop.
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Post# 35579-1/25/2004-13:15 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (COOL!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on finding the original stacked laundry center! Is the agitub in good condition? (Always suspicious with plastic tubs...) If I remember correctly, my dad's aunt had one of these in white (or maybe hers was WCI, since the White-
Westy stack looked pretty similar).
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Post# 35580-1/25/2004-22:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (NORMAL?)
MESSAGE: Hmmm.. Getting back to "Normal" again. Is this a hint?
Would the brand of the mystery machine start with a K?
Now I can't wait. My video cam is broke :-( but I will borrow my guitar player's camera (he knows I'm a washaholic so it's cool.)
Anyways, if I can get a free weekend (I have gigs all Feb. except for the 2nd weekend.), we shall wash.
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Post# 35581-1/25/2004-23:06 ||| gansky1 ()
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: Hi and welcome - this washer is often referred to as the "AMP style" machine around here which designates this Maytag design from the later Helical Drive machines. The AMP style is unique because it is really a solid tub washer with a perforated liner as the ad explains. To measure the proper amount of water in the tub, a float is used in the center of the agitator- the chrome cap rises with the water level in the tub and trips the round button in the lid which stops the flow of water and starts the agitation in wash or rinse. The "flap" is simply an off balance switch that cuts off power to the machine should the load become unbalanced during spin and is actuated by the top of the agitator whacking into it with enough force to cause it to flip back. Inside the lid are switches, one for off-balance cut off and another for the water level/safety stop.
Hope this helps - Greg
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Post# 35582-1/26/2004-04:53 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Spiralator (Easy-Spin )
MESSAGE: Gibson got Easy from Murray Corp, then Gibson was swalloed up by the WCI monster
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Post# 35583-1/26/2004-04:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Dishwasher parts
MESSAGE: HELP! Pump on my Sears Kenmore 600 top loader is REALLY starting to leak, though it still pumps fine. There HAS to be one out there on a shelf somewhere in this big country of ours, or even a used one that doesn't leak. Anybody had luck with NOS parts somewhere? Part 803888
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Post# 35584-1/26/2004-05:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire fridge
MESSAGE: Does anyone have one of the Frigidaire refrigerators that had a cassette player built into the door?
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Post# 35585-1/26/2004-10:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher parts
MESSAGE: Where is the leak coming from, the pump shaft seal or the pump housing seal? If it is from the pump housing it will be easy to fix. Although you might get lucky and find the exact replacement part, you will probably have to install a modern dw electric pump and it should work just as well. You will just have to figure out a cleaver way of mounting it.
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Post# 35586-1/26/2004-10:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy
MESSAGE: Hey Rich very fun find! Looks like your collection is growing!
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Post# 35587-1/26/2004-11:29 ||| Mikeinchgo (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
I need a Creda Parts Dist for my washer - Can anyone help ? :(
MESSAGE: I have a Creda (UK) front loading small washing machine and cannot locate a Parts Distributor in Chgo, or the US for that matter, so my appliance repair guy can fix this unit.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike in Chgo
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Post# 35588-1/26/2004-14:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy (Rock 'n' Wash)
MESSAGE: OK, I got gigz all February and 1st weekend of March except the weekend of Feb 14th. If that's too soon, we can wait till 2nd weekend of March....... That's if we don't book any gigz that week.
Being in a band is fun but it takes your weekend time.
LINK: http://www.immortalized.org/schedule.html
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Post# 35589-1/26/2004-16:48 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
My favorite fridge...
MESSAGE: .... was one my mom had forever. My dad,being in the repair business,always was coming up with deals. One day he aquired a year old Frigidaire refrigerator,model FPCI19BK.Coppertone bottom freezer,with woodgrain on the front.The neatest part,besides the belt type icemaker,was that it didn't have any handles. It had the famous Frigidaire foot pedal to open the freezer,but to open the 'fridge door,you pushed a small chrome Frigidaire emblem,and the door automatically opened.Prety neat setup for 1966.
He got it for next to nothing. It was a factory scrap out,because the defrost system stayed on too long,and melted most of the plastic in the freezer.She had that fridge for over 30 years,before they finally got a different one. I have never seen another one like it.
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Post# 35590-1/26/2004-16:59 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher parts
MESSAGE: I've got an old Whirlpool top loader at my shop.Was supposed to work,when we got it several years ago.Don't know if it uses the same pump,or not.Let me see if I can find a part# on the pump.
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Post# 35591-1/26/2004-18:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Here's the history of the Maytag washers. Thought you all might enjoy the info! Mark
Maytag®: A History of Laundry Innovation
Maytag Appliances has a reputation for quality that began more than a century ago, when F.L. Maytag formed a farm implement company in Newton, Iowa. In an effort to offset seasonal business slumps, Maytag set his sights on washing machines. By the early 1900s, the company was the world’s premier manufacturer of home appliances. From the Pastime washer in 1907 to the Maytag® Neptune® TL washer today, Maytag remains the industry leader in innovation, dependability and cleaning performance.
Historical Timeline
1907 - Maytag introduces the Pastime, the company’s first washing machine. Made of water-resistant wood, the Pastime rotates clothes when turned by a handle on the tub lid. An alternative to washboards, the machine is “so simple, a child could do it.”
1909 - The company manufactures the first power washer. Called the Hired Girl, the machine uses power from tractors and other farm engines.
1915 - Maytag builds the Multi-Motor, the first gasoline-powered washer. After the machine’s release, sales and production of Maytag washing machines double. The laundry division outperforms farm implement production for the first time in company history.
1920 - Maytag produces a square-cut aluminum tub washer, much to the surprise of aluminum experts who claimed it couldn’t be done. The Aluminum Tub Washer is adjustable in height, and its cone-shaped bottom ensures that dirt falls to the center of the tub instead of back onto clothing. Maytag sales skyrocket, leading the company to drop its farm implement business to concentrate on appliances.
1922 - The company takes the industry by storm by producing the Gyrafoam, a washer with a finned agitator called a “Gyratator.” Until now, clothes were cleaned in washers that dragged them through the water. The gentle Gyrafoam instead forces water through
the clothes. Work on all other Maytag washer models is discontinued so sales and marketing efforts could focus on the Gyrafoam.
1939 - Maytag produces one of the first white appliances in the industry. The Master Washer has 50 percent more capacity than previous Maytag washers, as well as stain-resistant enamel and an insulated tub that keeps water hot.
1949 - The company produces its first automatic washer, called the AMP Washer. The AMP is compact and simple to operate, and engineers continue to upgrade it throughout the 1950s.
1950 - Maytag, always committed to water conservation, introduces the Suds Saver Washer. Its design allows consumers to save wash water for use on subsequent loads of laundry.
1953 - Maytag produces an electric dryer called the Maytag “Halo of Heat” Dryer. The new dryer raises the company’s profile, and leads homemakers to cut down their clotheslines once and for all.
1954 - Pastel colors on washers and dryers make their debut. Called Supermatics, the machines are available in pale green, yellow or pink. A few years later, Maytag washers and dryers in avocado, gold, copper and coffee tones are popular.
1958 - Maytag enters the commercial laundry business with coin-operated machines.
1962 - Maytag introduces a commercial washer and dryer electronically activated by a plastic ticket, an innovation exclusive to the company.
1968 - The company begins offering portable washers and dryers designed for apartment dwellers. The Porta-Pair washer and dryer handle smaller loads, and wheels on the machine legs allow it to be easily moved from room to room.
1974 - Maytag debuts a special wash cycle for hand-wash and delicate fabrics.
1997 - The company introduces the Maytag® Neptune® washer, a front-loading washing machine that features revolutionary stain removal capabilities, uses 40 percent less water and 65 percent less energy. Maytag also becomes an ENERGY STAR® appliance manufacturing partner, teaming up with the U.S. Department of Energy and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
2000 - The Maytag® Neptune® model 7500 is the world's first washer with touchscreen controls. An on-board stain removal guide called StainBrain™ provides solutions for cleaning just about every stain imaginable.
2003 - Maytag introduces agitation-free laundry with the Maytag® Neptune® TL, the first top-loading high-efficiency washing machine without an agitator. The machine protects fabrics as it cleans.
For more information contact:
John Merritt, Carmichael Lynch Spong, (612) 375-8528
Jill Spiekerman, Maytag Appliances, (641) 787-6886
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Post# 35592-1/26/2004-20:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: Finally I got my first 40" Range this weekend, YAY...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/GE40.jpg
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Post# 35593-1/26/2004-20:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS
MESSAGE: Looks like they should have stopped designing washers after 1974. ;-)
Ken D.
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Post# 35594-1/26/2004-20:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: I need a Creda Parts Dist for my washer - Can anyone help ? :(
MESSAGE: Hi Mike.
I can't help you with details of a US parts dealer, but I believe that Creda washers are made by Hotpoint UK. You could email them by going to Hotpoint's website - www.hotpoint.co.uk. Note that it is a different company to Hotpoint USA.
What actually is the problem with your machine? I have wrecked a couple of orphan Hotpoint machines and I might have a part to suit. (Hotpoints were not sold here in Australia but some have come over with British immigrants, I have collected a couple.) If I have the part I am happy to send it to you for no charge, if you can pay the postage.
I personally dislike these machines and have found them to be particularly noisy and unreliable. Unless you are fond of yours it might be better to replace it.
Chris.
LINK: http://www.hotpoint.co.uk
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Post# 35595-1/26/2004-20:56 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range (Nice!)
MESSAGE: That's the range I grew up with. 2 ovens, and a timed outlet for the percolator.
I love the light-up pushbuttons for the burners. We put christmas bulbs in ours (they were handy).
Looks like someone did away with the sensi-temp burner (not a bad move).
I remember the one thing that people used to do wrong was try to broil with the door closed. Always broil with the door open a few inches!
Ken D.
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Post# 35596-1/26/2004-21:02 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: Sweet! And in Sunny Yellow (or whatever is GE's designation for the color).
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Post# 35597-1/26/2004-22:03 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, What a beautiful Range!! Is it a double oven? Sure looks like it is in nice shape. Hope you will share some of its history with us. That console light makes it look so stunning. You will really be able to cook up a storm. Terry
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Post# 35598-1/26/2004-22:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: a new toy
MESSAGE: Richie, glad y'all had so much fun!!!
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Post# 35599-1/26/2004-23:17 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: Robert it's gorgeous. Of course, I'm partial to the yellow. Is it double ovens? Neal will really like that!!!
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Post# 35600-1/26/2004-23:58 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: I think I have one the first Maytags with the hand/wash delicate cycles. Basically, it fills, agitates for a minute, rests for 3 minutes, agitates for a minute, rests for 3 and then spin drains till almost empty and then fills and rinses. It mimicks the permanent press cycle only with a cutoff in agitation time and eliminates the extra rinse, basically. Delicate in those days meant not a lot of agitation, but the spin dry speed was just the same as the regular wash was,on that model.
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Post# 35601-1/27/2004-00:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: Wasn't this cycle and/or machine sometimes referred to as the FabricMatic?
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Post# 35602-1/27/2004-00:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS
MESSAGE: I can also remember attachments for the wringer style Maytag machines of the 1915-on era(square tank models) A meat grinder that you put on the machine in place of the wringer,and a butter churn attachment that went over the agitator.You filled the churn tank with cream and allow the machine to agitate.It then would churn your cream to butter.These attachments were used with the machines that had gas or electric motors.I saw a set of them adevertised on EBAY a while back. The attachments were in pretty good shape.There was a Maytag dealer in Manassas VA,that had a small collection of vintage Maytag machines. One of them was a square tank wringer with the gas Maytag motor.I've found collectors of these on the internet-they collect these old Maytag motors.
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Post# 35603-1/27/2004-00:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: Robert, that is a beauty!!! It's so sunny I almost need sunglasses to look at it!!
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Post# 35604-1/27/2004-04:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: Robert, that is SO neat!! A former friend of mine has that range in pink and it also is beautiful. Makes me want to don my apron and prepare a stroganoff and a nice congealed salad!!
Much luck with it!
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Post# 35605-1/27/2004-07:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS
MESSAGE: As a side note, Maytag went to their "Orbital"? Transmission in the 80s. My mom has a 91 'Tag that has the standard tub, turquoise agitator but with the black control panel and the fast agitation. It rolls clothes pretty good but it's not too gentle :-(
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Post# 35606-1/27/2004-07:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range (WHAT A DASHBOARD!)
MESSAGE: That is one beautified GE range! Did you restore it or did it come like that?
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Post# 35607-1/27/2004-08:08 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: Yes, and I believe those machines had a blank plate that read "Automatic" where the speed selector buttons would have been were it a 2-speed machine.
T.
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Post# 35608-1/27/2004-09:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range (WHAT A DASHBOARD!)
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone! No it took two days of cleaning grease inside and out to get it to shine like this again, I have never seen so much grease in my life. YUK!
The range itself works beautifully, unfortunately the Left-Front Sensatemp burner had been replaced and its control had been replaced with a standard burner and control. I'm now looking for a replacement Sensatemp burner/control unit so if anyone out there knows of one please let me know.
The range came with its original meat probe, and it works perfectly! The window directly beneath the red GE logo is a meat temperature scale so you can read the temp of the roast without having to open the door. It also came with its plug in Automatic Griddle for Sunday pancakes and french toast.
Yes it two ovens, I've always wanted to be able to make the meatloaf in the large oven, and the biscuits in the smaller oven simultaneously!
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Post# 35609-1/27/2004-09:49 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
Watching appliances
MESSAGE: Are they watching a TV or is it a front loading washer? This story line started on Monday 1/19...
-ph
LINK: http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/archive/pearls-20040124.html
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Post# 35610-1/27/2004-09:50 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: A 40" YAY!!! Wonderful catch. Is there room in your kitches for this beauty?
-ph
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Post# 35611-1/27/2004-09:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: Yes there is, my old 30" 1954 Frigidaire range has gone into storage for now, I hope to find a nice new home for him sometime soon.
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Post# 35612-1/27/2004-11:40 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Bewitched Link
MESSAGE: This is great. Has some great shots of the kitchen and appliances. Hope you enjoy!!
LINK: http://www.1164.com/set/tv/kitchen/index.html
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Post# 35613-1/27/2004-12:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link (LAUNDRY!)
MESSAGE: The Mystery is over. Now I know what they have in their laundry. Custom Imperials.
I also noticed a Sunbeam Mixmaster.
I have a early 70s Sunbeam Mixmaster that appears on The Brady Bunch.
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Post# 35614-1/27/2004-12:57 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link (Great Link!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that great link!
I have always loved that house. Was kinda like a dream house when I was a kid!
Thanks for the link!
Brent
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Post# 35615-1/27/2004-14:46 ||| kevcof (Boston)
SUBJECT:
Sears HE3 - Cold/Cold is really "Cool"/Cold
MESSAGE: Hi All,
My wife and I just took the plunge and purchased a Sears HE3 washer (#42822). It is less than a week old, and seems like a solid performer. However, I am astonished by one piece of functionality.
The washer has the automatic temp control (ATC) valve that controls the temp of wash water, so that a Hot cycle is at 122F, Warm is at 104F, and Cold is at 77F. (Rinse is left to the devices of the tap water temp for cold and water heater temp for hot, apparently).
Here's what has me confused: If I set up a Cold/Cold wash, the washer fills with cold (very cold, at this time of the year) water, until it senses that the temp is too low, and then shuts off the cold water and BLASTS HOT WATER ONLY onto the clothing until the tub water temp rises enough to get to the 77F target temp. This means that delicate sweaters, leotards, silks, etc, get a direct wash of hot water for up to one minute until the HE3 goes back into cold water only mode.
EEK! Who thought up this design? And why didn't someone think to simply put an ATC ON/OFF switch on the front of the thing? I know the whole propaganda about "detergents don't work effectively in too-cold water, blah blah" but sometimes when you dial up Cold, you really do want COLD.
Anybody have any impressions? Should I return this space shuttle technology and just buy a $300 top loader that has less intelligence than me?
Thanks for any inputs.
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Post# 35616-1/27/2004-14:52 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link (Great Link!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I kinda stumbled on it while I was looking at, believe it or not, a Partridge Family webpage. I figured you all would get a kick out of it. I sure did. It's the first time I got a good "detailed" look at the kitchen. When I was a kid, we had neighbors that had Custom Imperials like that. Notice that they have them elevated up a couple of inches.
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Post# 35617-1/27/2004-15:01 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sears HE3 - Cold/Cold is really "Cool"/Cold (Modern Appliances)
MESSAGE: Kevcof,
This website is as you perhaps read especially for classic, vintage and antique automatic appliances that are at least 15 years old. For this club there is a Yahoo group to discuss more modern appliances called
Applianceville-Sandbox
Besides this small group there is also a Gardenweb Forum called the
Laundry Room where a lot of people discuss modern laundry equipment. I think you will read there a lot about the washer you purchased.
Louis
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Post# 35618-1/27/2004-15:42 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
GM frigidaire Dryer! For $7.00! It is in great condition!
MESSAGE: Wow! The only problem is that it does not shut off automatically, I am sure that can easily be fixed.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3270131458&category=20714
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Post# 35619-1/27/2004-16:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM frigidaire Dryer! For $7.00! It is in great condition! (TCOX look! a match for that 1965 washer you have)
MESSAGE: This matches that 65 washer that you have (the one with the bad clutch that we must fix one day).
It might be worth getting to have the set.
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Post# 35620-1/27/2004-16:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link (Come on get happyyyyyyy)
MESSAGE: Hey, there's no shame in the Partridge Family. I watched it religiosly when it played on Nick at Nite.
Cool website!
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Post# 35621-1/27/2004-16:27 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link
MESSAGE: Oh Boy! Do those shots bring back memories. I believe that the washer / dryer were from 67' as Frigidaire went to the square timer window in that year up to 69'. I am puzzled on the color though. I thought that Frigidaire had dropped yellow after the 66' model year. The repair manuals I have do not mention yellow. Maybe these were custom for the show ?. Maybe Frigidaire dropped that color shortly after introduction of that model?. Who knows but they sure are beautifull. Thanks for the pics.
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Post# 35622-1/27/2004-18:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sears HE3 - Cold/Cold is really "Cool"/Cold
MESSAGE: I just wanted to mention that I used to have a Kenmore "80" that I bought recently(also got rid of-replaced with a vintage machine) that you could DEFEAT the ATC.It had the defeat mode in warm and cold fill.You may want to look at their machine lineups-look at the dials and temp controls to see if they still make the defeat feature.I could understand in some situations when you want cold-you want cold.The machine was a top loader.
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Post# 35623-1/27/2004-18:41 ||| Madonnakoh (Cincinnati, OH)
SUBJECT:
Retro appliances for sale
MESSAGE: Hello everyone in Applianceville! I'm looking for some info on selling or obtaining costs for my retro kitchen. I have a complete GE kitchen, never been seen before by anyone that I know. ;0 I have pictures however, I do not have a URL I don't know how to show anyone. Can anyone help me?
Thanks,
Madonna
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Post# 35624-1/27/2004-19:09 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM frigidaire Dryer! For $7.00! It is in great condition! (TCOX look! a match for that 1965 washer you have)
MESSAGE: Jason, I thought the same thing when I saw that dryer. Oh, the washer is fixed ... it wasn't the clutch, it was the circuit breaker. I took the machine into the house and hooked it up and she purred like a kitten. I used it for about a week with no problems.
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Post# 35625-1/27/2004-20:36 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: beautiful !!!
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Post# 35626-1/27/2004-21:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Watching appliances
MESSAGE: We know it can't be a neptune...
"Worst episode ever!"
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Post# 35627-1/27/2004-20:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range
MESSAGE: You could build a nice summer kitchen out back...
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Post# 35628-1/27/2004-20:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GM frigidaire Dryer! For $7.00! It is in great condition!
MESSAGE: Probably a bad timer, or her belt-drive Kenmore washer leaves the clothes so wet it just SEEMS to never shut off!
I had a '68 like this - fantastic dryer, wonderfully soft clothes with the lower airflow!
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Post# 35629-1/27/2004-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Retro appliances for sale
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have a GE Kitchen Center. Do you have the combo washer/dryer and the wall-mount refrigerator too? One of our not-online members in D.C. has two of these kitchens in storage and I've seen a few of them around here over the years, one in poor shape a few weeks ago at a sale. Would love to find one in nice shape - as if I need more appliances. We'd love to see pictures of yours, try going to Yahoo! Photos and setting up an album there, it's free and you can then post a link to the pics here on the forum.
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Post# 35630-1/28/2004-05:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher parts (leaking d/w pump)
MESSAGE: It unfortunately appears to be the shaft seal, wish it was the housing seal, that would be relatively easy to deal with.
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Post# 35631-1/28/2004-06:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dishwasher parts (Sears dishwasher pumps)
MESSAGE: Thanks for taking a look, but I'd be amazed if it was the same, since my machine is a D & M manufactured machine, not a Whirlpool. I imagine there is an off-chance that Whirlpool and D & M used the same supplier for their drain pumps IF, Whirlpool used a separate drain pump and not the main motor to drain.
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Post# 35632-1/28/2004-06:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: Seems that "Delicate" meant "not a lot of agitation" for Maytag only. To everyone else it was "slow and short agitation". Plus, they waited until 1974 to have a "Delicate" cycle? Seems a little late to the game.
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Post# 35633-1/28/2004-06:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link (Bewitched kitchen)
MESSAGE: Wow, I have that Corningware Pyrex percolator sitting on my left rear burner right now!
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Post# 35634-1/28/2004-07:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link (Great Link!)
MESSAGE: God, I got carried away going through that link and it's relations! It was great! Didn't know about the 4 different themes, I only remembered 2 of them. Or the teakettle vs. pan on the stove in opening sequence
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Post# 35635-1/28/2004-07:42 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bewitched Link
MESSAGE: Did everyone notice that the Frig / Freezer has the pushbutton door opener and foot pedal. John in DC has one of these at his home and runs great. This is the only one that I have ever seen. Funny that John's does not say "Custom Imperial" but rather "Food Preserver". We have just found a 57' "Cold Pantry" in that famous dark grey color. It does need a compressor and misc. interior pieces. It would be worth restoring we think. If anyone comes accross any pieces for this frig. let us know.
Cheers to all.
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Post# 35636-1/28/2004-07:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: So Maytags only had one speed motors. sheesh... I'll have to try the PP cycle on my moms' Maytag to see what it does. I don't think she EVER used PP, just the normal cycle.
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Post# 35637-1/28/2004-08:00 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (2 speed motor)
MESSAGE: Well, you can always push the gentle (speed) button. They had 2 speed machines well before the mid 70s.
Anyone know what year/model Maytag started offering the 2 speed motor?
Ken D.
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Post# 35638-1/28/2004-08:16 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: There are varios models that fit this. All single speed machines had the "automatic" blank plate. Then there were the FabricMatic machines with the 30 minute soak cycle and the 3 buttons where the "automatic" blank plate was. Said regular, perm press, and delicate. (I have an owners manual for this one) The delicate was the fabricmatic cycle and had a shortened rinse. The perm press had the cool-down between wash & rinse and a shortened final spin. Came in big tub and regular capacity models too. Other versions had the 3 cycles on the timer rather than the soak cycle.
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Post# 35639-1/28/2004-08:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: I believe their timeline of dates was wrong. When I was in college, the dorm I lived in was built in 1969 or 1970. The washers in the laundry room were coin-op avocado Maytags with the 6 cycles. The wool and delicate cycles were this "FabricMatic" cycle. Actually, Maytag had had 2-speed machines in their higher-end machines since the early to mid 1960s at least. The FabricMatic cycle was Maytag's cheap attempt at offering more "gentle" agitation on single-speed machines.
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Post# 35640-1/28/2004-08:50 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
History of Downy Fabric Softner
MESSAGE: Hi: I know Downy was introduced in 1960, about what year did it become "concentrated?" I don't mean ultra, but just concentrated, thanks.
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Post# 35641-1/28/2004-09:34 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: Wow! And it has 18lbs. capcity!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3270328985&category=42233
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Post# 35642-1/28/2004-09:43 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: How old do you all think this machine is? My Aunt had one exactly like it, only in Avacado, and that was in the early/mid 70's
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Post# 35643-1/28/2004-10:49 ||| Dalechloe (Florida)
SUBJECT:
vintage gas stove
MESSAGE: I am searching for a site to find out what kind of stove it is that I have. It is a vintage gas stove and it says QUAD on the front. I have until now been unsuccessful and if anyone has any links or information, I would greatly appreciate it. thanks!
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Post# 35644-1/28/2004-12:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold! (Here's a story... of a lovely lady)
MESSAGE: This is early 70s. This was the washer (avocado) in the Brady Bunch where Bobby poured a whole box of detergent into the machine.
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Post# 35645-1/28/2004-13:01 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold! (So cool it's scary...)
MESSAGE: There's a washer exactly like this in Halloween (1978), in the detached laundry room where a soon-to-be victim washes her butter-stained clothes (with Tide).
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Post# 35646-1/28/2004-13:09 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold! (I think it's a 1976 model, the LDA series)
MESSAGE: A little better view of the control panel would clear up the dating, but it looks like a 1976 model . . LDA-7800. That's what we had, but in white. If I recall correctly, the design of the temp and water level controls, set in a dark-colored background with the silver circle inset, dates it to the LDA series.
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Post# 35647-1/28/2004-13:31 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: I have one that is either a '75, '78 or there within ..... it does have a huge tub, but its not nearly as quiet as the '66 Whirlpool I use to have, I think the quality slid a little downhill in the seventies vs the sixties ........ others in here I am sure know better ........
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Post# 35648-1/28/2004-13:32 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: vintage gas stove
MESSAGE: try contacting www.antiqueappliances.com
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Post# 35649-1/28/2004-13:43 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Sears HE3 - Cold/Cold is really "Cool"/Cold
MESSAGE: Use the "tap" cold button on the HE3t. That's what I used when I had my HE3t hooked up to my sink.
-Alex :)
LINK: http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WwATA6YdEoML4qm!h96JrnPs2XnnPL*MPPRbbKSAiK85OuQrjfNAaAkm1RdcN2Jo72ax6QEGHL8ZTFlsHy3gbzKMWPzKwnN28qFlcV0MHg6!FUTzz!atxbg06ZK8Iw!otsEpTMtskq8/KenmoreEliteHE3T.jpg?dc=4675419462385449601
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Post# 35650-1/28/2004-17:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (1956-57)
MESSAGE: The 57 AMP style machine I had (now at Steve B's in Georgia) was a 2 speed machine.
There was really no reason for a "Delicate" cycle on a Maytag, especially if it was a 2 speed, the rinse cycle was only 2 minutes of anemic agitation anyway.
On my 67 pushbutton machine, the delicate cycle is slow speed, intermittent agitation and full water level automatically. Didn't most of the Maytag owner's manuals recommend a full water level for any amount of delicate items, regardless of the speeds, etc.? Probably a good idea no matter the brand...
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Post# 35651-1/28/2004-19:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: THE HISTORY OF MAYTAG WASHERS (Maytag History)
MESSAGE: When I attended college in Springfield,S.dak. the dorms I lived in had Maytag coin washers and dryers.There was 4 of each in each dorm building.The washers I remembered were vary basic-just normal or perm press.
In the mid to late 60's we had a summer cottage on Lake Winnepesaki in New Hampshire. We did our clothes in a large laundramat in or near Laconia NH.It had mostly Maytag equipment. The Maytags did use the little plastic "tickets"That you bought with change or dollar bills from a vending machine there.The Maytag washers and dryers were light blue in color.A tech there opened the front panel of one of the washers while it was spinning and I saw the rotating transmission assembly.Come to think of it the swap shop out here has a similar machine. Just might give it a home.
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Post# 35652-1/28/2004-20:08 ||| madonnakoh (Cincinnati, OH)
SUBJECT:
RE: Retro appliances for sale (ge appliances for sale)
MESSAGE: Thanks for your help. I'll work on the site now!
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Post# 35653-1/28/2004-20:21 ||| Madonnakoh (Cincinnati, OH)
SUBJECT:
GE retro applians 4-sale (now have pictures)
MESSAGE: Thanks to my buddy gansky1, I now have photos. If anyone knows anyone that is intersted in this excellent condition complete kitchen center, please let me know.
thanks.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/madonnakoh/slideshow?&.dir=/b999&.src=ph
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Post# 35654-1/28/2004-20:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE retro applians 4-sale (now have pictures)
MESSAGE: Link doesn't work.
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Post# 35655-1/28/2004-20:30 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: I remember it having a huge capacity, my Aunt had 5 teenage girls who would change or shower many times a day. I would go out there to help with housework on the weekends and sometimes the pile of clothes on the floor would be as high as the top of the washer. I'd be done by the end of the day though, thanks to this huge WP and also I think it was a mid 70's Wards dryer (Norge?) which also was cavernous!
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Post# 35656-1/28/2004-20:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Retro appliances for sale (ge appliances for sale)
MESSAGE: At the govt site where I work-it used to have a GE kitchen.-Range and cabinets. The fridge and dishwasher were not GE however.I had seen another kitchen system like this in an old apartment building in Wash DC.The Kitchen here has been remodeled-the GE things are gone.Was neat when they had them-could it be the GE appliances were here because three of the SW transmitters are GE?? These are still in use. The plant was built in the early 60's and planned in the late 50's.I think in above the dishwasher and fridge died at an earlier time and were replaced by GSA supplied machines(typically WCI-ERROGGHG)
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Post# 35657-1/28/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: Is that Supreme 80-Does its agitator have the large sort of clover-leaf shaped base??-but the vanes are like a surgilator-I beleive the agitator was called a dual surgilator. I have a similar machine but the pump is dead.
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Post# 35658-1/28/2004-20:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE retro applians 4-sale (now have pictures)
MESSAGE: I can't get your link to work-wanted to see this to see if your kitchen system was like what used to be at the transmitter site where I work.The kitchen was remodelled when I was on a tour of duty back in Wash DC-then retransferred back to NC.
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Post# 35659-1/28/2004-21:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: I believe the Double-Duty Super Surgilator was introduced with the LFA series, circa 1977 or 1978. The LDA series did not have the extra 'wings' on the base.
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Post# 35660-1/28/2004-22:34 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Greetings Boys! Here's a set I thought one of you guys might be interested in! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3270383848
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Post# 35661-1/28/2004-22:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: I was just copying the link for these - what beauties!
Seller also has a Westy fridge and stove up for auction too - could furnish the entire house in one swoop!
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Post# 35662-1/28/2004-23:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold! (Whirlpool Washer!)
MESSAGE: Wow - cant believe this whirlpool
I had the same exact model I got used when I lived in my first apartment it's a 1974 model
great washer
Peter
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Post# 35663-1/29/2004-01:09 ||| wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range (What color is your 1954 Frig. Range?)
MESSAGE: Didn't realize that you also had a 1954 Frigidaire range. Ours is a light green 30" TOL- must've been orig. to the house. Now it is next to the dryer in the basement- they must've used it in the summer or for canning.
I'm envious of your GE stove find- BEAUTIFUL!!! It is very similar to the first one I began baking in (at 11) while living in my Grandmother's house in Phoenix. That one was turquoise, however, and the burner control buttons faced up on the back splash rather than ttowards the front of the stove. Not certain if that would've been an older or newer model than yours. Only one set of burner buttons still lit up. I wish we would've brought that stove when we moved to Beaver Island, MI. We were building a new house, and my mom wanted everything to be new. Ironically, money grew tight as we were building, and I don't think that she has ever ended up having a brand new stove!
Where did you manage to find it?
Take Care,
Duane
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Post# 35664-1/29/2004-06:45 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: I believe the agitator you are refering to with the "clover leaf" design at the base and the "swiggly vanes" is called a super surgilator. At least that's what it said on my Whirly.
They also called the entire wash system a "design 2000." They mentioned that less detergent and wash time could be selected and achieve the excellent results. They were correct!
The name super surgilator I think has been used over again except now they refer to one of the "corkscrew" agitator types.
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Post# 35665-1/29/2004-08:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE retro applians 4-sale (now have pictures) (inoperative link)
MESSAGE: Probably forgot to set it to public access.
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Post# 35666-1/29/2004-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New 1956 40" Range (What color is your 1954 Frig. Range?)
MESSAGE: Thanks Duane, I found it in the classifieds of the Sunday paper. The ad stated Yellow 40" GE Range, so I assumed they meant Harvest Gold, but I called to be sure. When I spoke to the seller he said it was a "pastel yellow", which meant it could have been a '56 thru '66 model. I figured the only model I would really be interested in would be the '56, possibly the keyboard '57 or '58 too, but I prefer earlier 50's appliances. To my shock when I walked into their kitchen I saw I hit the jackpot as it truly was the top of the line, 1956 range.
BTW, my '54 Frigidaire range is a 30" range and it is in white.
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Post# 35667-1/29/2004-09:32 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Monitor Washing Machine
MESSAGE: There is a washer on ebay that was the same as one my grandmother used to have that she got from some used appliance place in the 60's (She never bought new stuff). We would visit from CT to her house in the Bronx & of course she couldn't do the laundry till I got there, but our Sunday morning wash-ins were with this. It had an impeller on the back wall of it and did a mean lil' load of laundry. Stainless steel wash tub, and wierd aluminum square cover...I couldn't for the life of me remenber the name of it, I knew it was'nt a Hoover though. It's ebay item 3269021083. After this machine died, Grandma got another used beauty, the mid 50's GE Filter-flo automatic with the orange dial...solid grey tub. This machine would go from fill to spin without agitating....(activating) until Mr. Fix-it (my father) did some tinkering. It also had a shot suspension because as it filled up, the tub would slowly sink
and would freak me out. Well, it WAS a good deal. I'm not sure if I'm linking right about the Monitor machine...
LINK: http://ebay item 3269021083
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Post# 35668-1/29/2004-14:12 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
Don't forget........
MESSAGE: This Frigidaire!
What year and model is this good looking machine?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3270131458&category=20714&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Post# 35669-1/29/2004-15:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Don't forget........
MESSAGE: 1964-1966, before they changed the color of the console to black. This is a bottom of the line machine.
-ph
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Post# 35670-1/29/2004-15:26 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Are you going for these, Mark? They are relatively close to you, yes?
-ph
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Post# 35671-1/29/2004-17:17 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Don't forget........
MESSAGE: It looks very good for being the BOL.....
Thanks Peter!
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Post# 35672-1/29/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: I have two machines that have each type of agitator I described. I have an Imperial 90 that has the "super surgilator"-it has a small base but the "wavy" shaped vanes.It is white and has a chromed metal cap.The other machine I have has the "dual Surgilator" which has the large clover leaf base and wavy vanes.It is larger-the machine its in has a larger wash tank.The pump in this one died.Its a goood machine.The term "dual Surgilator" is printed into the plastic agitator cap.
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Post# 35673-1/29/2004-21:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: As I recall (could be wrong) . . .
"Surgilator" was the original wavy-fin agitator. "Super Surgilator" was a slight redesign that included fins at the bottom that protruded slightly beyond the base.
The "Double-Duty Super Surgilator" with the clover-leaf base was first used on 18 lb. belt-drive machines. The "Double-Duty" name continued to be used on direct-drive machines, but I don't think any of them had the clover-leaf base.
The "Design 2000" designation debuted with the direct drive re-design that had a faster, shorter agitation stroke. Whirlpool did not use that name on belt-drive machines.
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Post# 35674-1/29/2004-21:32 ||| GREGM (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY! (be careful)
MESSAGE: I bought a set just like this about a year ago and what a mistake; the pics looked great but the inside the cabinet were loaded with rust and corrosion. The washer I bought will probably have to be scrapped for parts but still remains to be seen. The dryer is functioning and is definately salvagable. They also did not secure the tub in the washer from moving around and it dropped off its springs down on to the motor during shipping. I should have and would ask alot more questions next time around. Sorry to be a "downer"; I just hope if someone bids that maybe they can learn from my error.
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Post# 35675-1/29/2004-22:22 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Don't forget........ (Matching Washer)
MESSAGE: I have the "twin" (washing machine) to this dryer. The wiring diagram on the outer tub says manufactured in 1966 so assume this dryer is the same year. Too bad I'm in Arizona and this dryer is in Texas; otherwise I'd be tempted to bid on it.
I have my sights set on a matching coppertone Lady Kenmore washer/dryer set (circa 1964) for sale here at a local appliance store in Phoenix for only $400! Hope to buy soon and will post pics!
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Post# 35676-1/30/2004-00:02 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Don't forget........ (Matching Washer)
MESSAGE: Please do so......., I wanna see!!!!!!!
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Post# 35677-1/30/2004-05:47 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: You could be correct. Perhaps my machine came with the wrong
documentation. There was a card along with the laundry info pack that sat behind the dashboard that stated it was a design 2000. And the agitator cap just simply said "Super Surgilator." Oh well. But it was a clover leaf agitator. The best agitator ever made.
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Post# 35678-1/30/2004-07:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: I had one of those design 2000's. ugh. skinny wash tub, fast agitation, that awful surgilator, torn clothes.
I'm so glad I got my... uh... not so vintage FL
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Post# 35679-1/30/2004-10:33 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: UGG!!! I used to live in that sad town!
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Post# 35680-1/30/2004-20:44 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: See what you missed Jason??? LOL!!! Was there and you didn't even know it!!!
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Post# 35681-1/30/2004-21:01 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: I replied to his post and offered him $600. He wanted $1000. I think that's a little much for UNRESTORED machines. I'm going to wait and see what happens on the auction.
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Post# 35682-1/31/2004-06:08 ||| mikepaquette (Ontario Canada)
SUBJECT:
Vintage dishwasher questions
MESSAGE: Could anyone tell me #1 What year did KA add the top rack spray arm & what year did they change the long handle to the small lift opening handle? #2 what year did GE go from the black bakalite impeller to the stainless steel flat impeller with the pink interior? #3 What year did Kenmore stop making the round top rack in the dishwashers. These are dishwashers I am looking for & my kitchen has more space for built ins than floor space for portable dishwashers. I'm still on the hunt for dishwashers & info. Thanks for your time. Michael mikepaquette@sympatico.ca
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Post# 35683-1/31/2004-08:01 ||| imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: OK. Then Whirlpool did slip in documentation that wasn't meant to be with my Imperial 70. It was a belt drive with the wide "shallow" dura-white tub and the Straight-squiggly vane Super Surgilator with the cloverleaf at the base that was very gentle on delicates. I was able to was anything in this machine that said "dry clean only." I now have something that could process cake batter for a commercial bakery. :-)
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Post# 35684-1/31/2004-19:03 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
rapidry1000 acquires a rapidry1000
MESSAGE: I'm on cloud 9 after picking up a 1966 Frigidaire Custom Imperial washer. I had to make arrangements to pick up the machine but the cost was worth it. I was told the machine works but will not get a chance to plug in the machine until I can find a spot for it. The exterior is in like new condition. During my lifetime I have been fortunate enough to have in my family an unimatic, a multimatic, a skinny-mini and now a rollermatic. I saved this wonderful machine from the crusher which was the plan of the current owner who acquired this machine with the purchase of the house recently.
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Post# 35685-1/31/2004-20:05 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Hi everyone.
A thousand bucks? That's crazy!! But then again, if the seller can get it, why not?
Does any member of the Appliance group want a 1953 Westinghouse dryer (at a NON-ripoff price) that I can't seem to sell? I'm not interested in keeping it, or matching it with the washer. Just get it out of my basement and it's yours at a fair price. I've advertised the machine before on the Applianceville site, and only got one interested potential buyer, and then the deal fell through.
The machine works fine, but is just a bit yellowed from age (painted, not porcelain). Of course it has the "How Dry I Am" chime at the end of the drying cycle. If anyone is interested, I'll can forward a few jpeg photos. Write me at kennywhy@att.net.
Otherwise, I'll go the ebay route within a couple weeks.
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Post# 35686-1/31/2004-22:08 ||| tecnopolis (Sunny Fort Lauderdale, Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Kenny, could you forward a few photos to me @
"tecnopolis@hotmail.com"?
-Alex
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Post# 35687-2/1/2004-08:19 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Today's POD
MESSAGE: What kind of agitator was in today's POD? Was is the same one that was in their AutoMagic washer/dishwasher unit?
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Post# 35688-2/1/2004-09:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: And what kind of mechanism did the Thor have?
My dad used to fix these when he was younger. He remembers there were built like Speed Queens. Not sure how accurate that is but that's what he remembers.
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Post# 35689-2/1/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: I can go along with that-$600,1000 is too much.I mostly do this hobby for FUN-no profit.Prices like that take the "fun" out of it.Thats why I abandoned the classic hi-fi collecting.People want "rip-off" prices for the peices today.You used to be able to get them reasonbly priced at thrift stores,salvation army,etc.No the case now.It even starting in the vacuum collecting too.If they want those ridicous and outragous prices I tell them to sell to someone else.Why wreck a fun hobby?However,at the bad quality of todays appliances-you may see more people seeking out the quality older peices.Then the prices are sure to rise.
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Post# 35690-2/1/2004-18:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
"blue book" on older appliances
MESSAGE: Just would like to ask-is there a publication or "Blue Book" that lists suggested prices on older appliances. I have seen publications and books for vintage hi-fi and radios but not for appliances or vacuum cleaners.This would go in conjunction with the entry I made relating to the "Westy" appliance price mentioned.I have also not seen anything that has values for vintage "small appliances" I collect those as well opportunity presenting.
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Post# 35691-2/1/2004-18:33 ||| Sboehmer (Baltimore, Maryland, USA)
SUBJECT:
GE Electric Sink with Automatic Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi all! I am new to this forum and was hoping I could pick your brains a bit. I recently brought a new home and inherited a GE DE-748 Electric Sink and Automatic Dishwasher. I think it was introduced in the mid-1940's and I have found an ad for it in the a 1946 issue of "House Beautiful." It definitely has some wear and tear, but I was told that it still works. Most of the original rubber seals are vulcanized and some of the enamel finish is stained and scratched. I have all the original parts and manuals. Photographs of the dishwasher and manual are available at the included link. Is this something that vintage appliance folks would be interested in? I was thinking about posting a for-sale ad to the board at classicappliances.com. How much would this be worth? How expensive would it be to restore into working order? Thanks in advance for any replies. I can be reached off forum at stephanieb_77@hotmail.com
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/stephanieb_77/
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Post# 35692-2/1/2004-19:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Washer! Sepreme 80! Harvest Gold!
MESSAGE: I used to have one similar to that-Kenmore 80 that had the fast short strokes with what they called "triple Action" agitator.The upper half would rotate and go up and down(sort of) as well. The result was clothes that looked like the roto-tiller ran over them.Sheets and towels would wrap around the auger half of the agitator. This didn't happen wit the BD whirlpools and kenmores I have used that had dual action agitastors or Surgilators.
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Post# 35693-2/1/2004-19:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: rapidry1000 acquires a rapidry1000
MESSAGE: Congratulations!!!! I'm speechless on your fortune!!!
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Post# 35694-2/1/2004-22:05 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: rapidry1000 acquires a rapidry1000 (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: That's awesome! I know you'll enjoy it. I have a 1966 Custom Deluxe in avocado green and just found the matching dryer (in white).
Happy washing!
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Post# 35695-2/1/2004-21:02 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Fraternal Twins Come Home
MESSAGE: I am the proud owner of a 1964 coppertone Sears Kenmore 800 Series washing machine and 1964 coppertone Sears Lady Kenmore dryer. They look beautiful in my laundry room (I felt bad moving the 1974 Frigidaire 1-18 twins into the garage). I will take pics this week to post.
I have a couple questions:
1. the detergent cup was practically melted to the rubber agitator scrubber. After peeling it off, the scrubber is cracked and very dirty. I'm afraid to clean it. Any suggestions on how to save it?
2. at the 4 minute mark on the washer timer (during the wash cycle), the machine makes a buzzing sound like it's trying to dispense something. It stops once the timer advances. What is it trying to do?
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Now, back to playing with my new twins!
washerlover
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Post# 35696-2/1/2004-22:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fraternal Twins Come Home
MESSAGE: I'm no expert on restoring, but I've often seen scrubbers caps deteriorated. Perhaps another can be found in somebody spare parts stash?
The buzzing is the bleach dispenser solenoid, which activates for one timer increment (2 mins) at the 4-min mark.
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Post# 35697-2/1/2004-21:15 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fraternal Twins Come Home
MESSAGE: Thank you so much for the explanation of the buzzing. I suspected that's probably what it was. I'm ashamed to admit it but I've never owned a Kenmore before. My 1970 avocado green Whirlpool washer (and matching dryer) is the closest I've had to Kenmore.
Thanks again and I'll search around here in the Phoenix area to see if I can find a replacement scrubber. With the sun/heat here, any machines left outside in a used appliance yard are usually pretty fried, but at least there's no rust!
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Post# 35698-2/2/2004-07:40 ||| Ironrite (Las Vegas NV)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fraternal Twins Come Home (Parts Possibilities)
MESSAGE: I used to live in Phoenix. You may want to try Mr. B's Appliances in Sunnyslope. If I remember, they're off Hatcher or Dunlap and about 7th Street. I found a very nice I-18 there several years ago. They would get a lot of their machines from the Sun City area, the land of old Frigidaires.
There's also another applicance store in downtown Glendale that's been there for years. I found quite a few parts for machines there as well.
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Post# 35699-2/2/2004-10:54 ||| Aemmons (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse range/oven (I might have what you are looking for)
MESSAGE: I have a early 50's vintage 40 in white westing house stove. It has 4 electric bruners and 2 ovens. One is standard size and the other is called a thrift oven. It also has a storage drawer. This is white and the enamel is in great condition. The large oven stoped working and one burner needs a very minor repair. I even have the instruction manual. Let me kow if you are interested. I have no idea what it worth.
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Post# 35700-2/2/2004-11:16 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fraternal Twins Come Home
MESSAGE: 1. Hmmm.. I dunno
2. A 4 minutes, the bleach dispenser kicks in. My mom's 800 would do this and it would go BANG! and make me jump. I knew it was coming but still it managed to scare me.
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Post# 35701-2/2/2004-19:10 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fraternal Twins Come Home (Buzzer Sound)
MESSAGE: We had an early seventies Lady Kenmore--exactly like one of the POD's that comes up occasionally.
It buzzed during the wash cycle when the water was supposed to be circulating--as in an overflow rinse--through a small dry detergent cup on the side of the machine.
As soon as it was finished running water through this cup, the buzzing stopped.
Unfortunately, for wash watchers such as I, so did the water.
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Post# 35702-2/2/2004-20:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
When washers Jump The Shark
MESSAGE: OK. The term "Jump The Shark" is from the website of the same name. It refers to TV shows when they became lame and not fun to watch anymore ie: New Darrin Stevens on Bewitched (just an example).
So here's a start on washers brands Jumping The Shark. Let's see what people think.
Kenmore - 1. 1974 introduction of the black face panel or 2. 1986 introduction of direct drive
GE - 1. Perforated tubs, 2. Ugly control panels, 3. new transmission design.
Frigidaire - The answer should be obvious. Did it jump with the 1-18s or with the sellout to WCI?
Westy front loaders - 1. End of the Laundromats 2. sellout to WCI.
Speed Queen - 1. End of solenoid machine 2. End of solid tubs. 3. Sellout to Amana
So what do you all think?
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Post# 35703-2/2/2004-21:46 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: Hey guys, did you see this turquoise Maytag set yet? They look great and the seller says they are unused!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3271604739&category=20714
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Post# 35704-2/3/2004-00:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: Looks like a suds-saver model. Can't figure out what the "speed" buttons are.
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Post# 35705-2/3/2004-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: Oh my, oh my, oh my.....
You're right Bob, it is an A806 suds-saver model. This is the first year of the '06 line in 1967 (and the last year of turquoise) so this machine did not have the permanent press cycle, but did have automatic pre-wash and soak period.
Hmmmmmm, I could make it to Toledo and home in a weekend....
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Post# 35706-2/3/2004-02:31 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark
MESSAGE: here's another one that jumped shark:Maytag going from the power fin to the "me too" dual action agitator.(sigh)
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Post# 35707-2/3/2004-03:18 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: Those machines are gorgeous.I hope someone in applianceville gets them.
Those old Maytags are some of the finer examples of what "Made in America" used to mean.
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Post# 35708-2/3/2004-06:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark
MESSAGE: Well,Jason, I agree with most of it. I would tweak it a bit though. With GE, it would be a two parter - - first part in the early 90's when they cheapened the construction of the remaining filter flo models and in fact went to the same dual agitator and "self cleaning filter ring" as the Hotpoints. For those of us who bought the last of the filter-flo models, that meant the machines looked and sounded the same but had issues like "early transmission failures"(twice in two years), belts that broke regularly and unexplainable cabinet rust after 18 months. Then we move to the "plastic GE's" and the rest is history.
With the Speed Queen, they really didn't sell out to Amana. Speed Queen and Amana were both owned by Raytheon. Sometime around late 1999, Raytheon sold most of its home appliance businesses . SQ went to Alliance Laundry for commercial manufacture and Amana went to Goodman Industries. What am I really saying?? Just that SQ and Amana were both victims - so the Jump Shark Award should go to Raytheon instead of SQ....
ANother TV show that gets a temporary "shark": Dallas for temporarily replacing Barbara Bel Geddes with Donna Reed as Miss Ellie. I was always a big Donna fan, but that was not her best role simply because it wasn't her. Also and sadly, she already knew that she was dying of cancer at the time......
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Post# 35709-2/3/2004-06:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: Hmm...Greg, I think those would be a swell addition. Just beautiful - but if you can't get there, perhaps Jimmy can swing by there for you. Isn't his home town near Toledo? Or is he away for the winter? It would be a shame if they got away!!
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Post# 35710-2/3/2004-06:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark (Maytag)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I forgot. Maytag JTS when they went from the silver two-tone to the black panels.
And of course the Shark ate Maytag when the Nep... err... that windowless front loader came out.
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Post# 35711-2/3/2004-09:00 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark (Maytag)
MESSAGE: Maytag definitely JTS when they changed their transmission design. Their traditional mechanism was simple and super-dependable. Their new transmission (I'm told) is needlessly complicated and non-servicable, so you have to replace the whole thing if the smallest component breaks.
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Post# 35712-2/3/2004-09:17 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: Is it also the first year of large capacity? There are 4 holes down the agitator barrel. I thought Maytag's version of large capacity came out much later.
-ph
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Post# 35713-2/3/2004-09:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark (Maytag)
MESSAGE: Maytag started out already Jumped with their goofy water level/safety switch, then they made cool machines until the 80s and then SPLASH again.
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Post# 35714-2/3/2004-09:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: OH so it wasn't just me that thought it looked bigger than standard capacity. I was trying to compare this to my mom's and hers is the standard capacity. It's a 1991 model with the classic tub and turquiose agitator with the fast agitation. Kind of a mixed up machine but now fun to watch after I did the surgery.
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Post# 35715-2/3/2004-13:28 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: I THINK that as soon as the New Generation washers came out somewhere in the mid-early 60's (I'm sure someone else will know the exact year), there were Deep Tub models available. I could be wrong.
T.
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Post# 35716-2/3/2004-15:51 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
Extra Large Capacity -- Maytag first?
MESSAGE: Since we now show a 1967 turquaz Maytag washer in "extra capacity" size, does this mean Maytag was the first to offer this? Frigidaire went extra capacity in 1969 with the advent of the 1-18 (unless you count when they made their tub larger in 1963). When did everyone else fall in?
-ph
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Post# 35717-2/3/2004-17:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Extra Large Capacity -- Maytag first?
MESSAGE: I think Kenmore and WP started in 68 with their 18lb tubs.
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Post# 35718-2/3/2004-17:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Extra Large Capacity -- Maytag first? (Size does matter...)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool - 1966 18lbs
Norge - 1964 14lb tub (16lb & 18lb by later 60's then a
whopping 20lb claim by early 70's)
GE - early 60's - 14lb, later 60's 16lb, by early 70's 18lbs
Hotpoint - 16lbs by mid-60's
Maytag 1966-67 "Large" capacity (no stated weight)
CR reported in '66 that all of the machines tested could handle much less than the rated capacity with a mixed cotton load, most brands having trouble taking the 12lb test load (Kelvinator and Frigidaire were the worst)
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Post# 35719-2/3/2004-18:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Extra Large Capacity -- Maytag first? (Size does matter...)
MESSAGE: Oh yeah, Westinghouse had a 15lb capacity in 63 when they first made a top-loader of their own and then 16 lbs by later 60's, 18lbs by later 70's
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Post# 35720-2/3/2004-18:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Extra Large Capacity -- Maytag first? (so what does CR know)
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire and the Kelvy were the most fun washers. I guess they didn't realize that back then.
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Post# 35721-2/3/2004-18:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark
MESSAGE: I beleive Maytag called their dual action agitator "Load Sensor"I saw it demo'd at Wards back in 1997 or so when they were still open.They had the "glass front and tub" machine to show it.They put ping-pong balls in the machine-then to show how delicate it was-light bulbs.It cirrculated both and without breaking the bulbs-I wonder if other washers could do that-but DIDN'T show how good it would do with clothes.At the Sears store in the same shopping center Sears had the glass front washer with the Kenmore dual action agitator with rags in it.
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Post# 35722-2/3/2004-18:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark (Maytag)
MESSAGE: I have read about this on
Epinions" about people trying various Maytag machines.Transmission problems were mentioned frequently with TL models. Mildew and odors were brought up when they discussed Neptune models.Also circuit boards in the Neptune failed frequently.
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Post# 35723-2/3/2004-18:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Extra Large Capacity -- Maytag first?
MESSAGE: I can remember a Whirlpool machine shown in one of the POD's -the ad claimed the machine could hold 18lbs and was called the "whopper" -I can't recall any dates on the ad as to when the machine came out-maybe the Webmaster of this site can look it up.
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Post# 35724-2/3/2004-18:38 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (EXPERT Opinion)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys, I'd love to make this set my first vintage pair. A couple of questions since I rate a 0 on the 1 to 10 scale of being handy! Not LOL! So what would basically have to be done to get this set running after sitting around for 37 years. Could a service call from MAYTAG get them working. Maybe they wouldn't need service, what do you repair guys think?
What might be some of the things that could be wrong with this set? Thanks so much! BTW, do the back splashes of these light up?
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Post# 35725-2/3/2004-18:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (EXPERT Opinion)
MESSAGE: I would have to say a new belt, internal hoses, make sure the electrical connections are ok.
Find an appliance repair shop that's been around for a long time, one that you know for sure has worked on those old machines and has parts for them in stock. Washers today are throwaway and the repair shops are dissappearing.
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Post# 35726-2/3/2004-19:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (EXPERT Opinion)
MESSAGE: I think the only things of concern would be rubber,latex or elestamer seal materials in the washer could be dried out and ineffective from disuse.The dryer should be fine.-the belt would be of concern.
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Post# 35727-2/3/2004-21:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (EXPERT Opinion)
MESSAGE: what kind of environment did the machines sit in ???? dry ?? damp ?? etc ..........
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Post# 35728-2/3/2004-21:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay
MESSAGE: Those would be just beautiful in your laundry area Greg, the turquoise against those dark gray walls would be stunning. I can just see them there. I am sure it's tempting! Anyone else check out the other things this guy has for sale? Looked at the range and I am guessing it is a Westinghouse. I know I remember the "stair step" set up and it just seems like Westinghouse had it. Any thoughts? Terry
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Post# 35729-2/3/2004-22:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (TOO LATE - They're gone!!)
MESSAGE: Don (jetaction) in Minneapolis ended the auction with the Buy It Now option so we'll have to enjoy lots of pictures and turquoise Maytag stories from Don soon.
Congratulations Don!!
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Post# 35730-2/4/2004-00:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (TOO LATE - They're gone!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Don. Glad they're staying in the family. Please, take great pics of the banks of buttons and the timer dial.
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Post# 35731-2/4/2004-06:34 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (TOO LATE - They're gone!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Don!! They really look like a beautiful set. Can't wait to hear all about them when you pick them up. Keep us posted.
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Post# 35732-2/4/2004-08:33 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (TOO LATE - They're gone!!)
MESSAGE: Don,
Is this a trend? Are you going to be the King of Suds Saver Sets?
Congrats on winning this very handsome set!
-ph
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Post# 35733-2/4/2004-08:36 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1950's WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMATS ON EBAY! (pricing trend)
MESSAGE: Is this winner anyone we know?
Looks like the going rate for a matched set of classics is the high $700's.
-ph
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Post# 35734-2/4/2004-12:54 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (TOO LATE - They're gone!!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for all the nice wishes. Last summer I started to work on a Maytag just to increase my mechanical ability. This was a good start, and since they weren't dream machines, I didn't care if I did something that couldn't be fixed. Well,,,next thing you know, I found an 806 panel, and began combining this and that to complete the machine. Endora must have put a spell on me because the more I learned, the more I wanted one. Especially after Greg Nunn and I toured the Maytag plant in Newton last fall. I have been on the lookout for a matching dryer in gas, and since the washer had a suds saver, it was a no brainer. Yes Peter, I seem to have cornered the market on suds savers, as all my machines have the feature except the 1-18. I will keep you all posted when I pick them up!
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Post# 35735-2/4/2004-16:38 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Maytag surprise
MESSAGE: I am surprised that no one has said anything about the washer have 8 vanes instead of just four!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3271604739&indexURL=4&photoDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 35736-2/4/2004-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag surprise
MESSAGE: Excellent eye for detail, Jamie! This was the first of the power-fin agitators and those additional "vanes" on the skirt are the channels for the lint filter/fabric softener disp. operation. Not too much later these were changed to the familiar arrangement we've all seen a thousand times.
My A906 of the same year has these as well, they are unique but the water circulation through these narrow channels is probably a little less than the previous all-around (under-skirt) opening in the black agitators and the later power-fin design.
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Post# 35737-2/5/2004-04:42 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (TOO LATE - They're gone!!)
MESSAGE: How did you get a tour of the plant? My wife and me visited her sister in the area 2 years ago.I inquired about taking a tour of either Newton,or Amana. No tours at Amana,and only school groups and such at Newton. I'm jealous!
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Post# 35738-2/5/2004-08:15 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (Newton Iowa)
MESSAGE: I myself couldn't have gotten in the front door, but when they saw Greg Nunn coming, the red carpet was rolled out! Actually I am kidding, but they should have for him! I shouldn't have said toured the "plant." What we saw was the company store where all the machines are on display, with the history of the Maytag company. Also toured the local historical museum where they have a huge Maytag room, with even more machines on display than at Maytag. We both loved each stop as they were done well and had alot of great information. That is what I should have said. Anyone close to Newton will find this stop very worthwhile!
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Post# 35739-2/6/2004-05:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark (Sears and Wards)
MESSAGE: In the same shopping center?! Now THAT'S a rarity! Was there barbed wire and trenches in the parking lot between them? :-)
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Post# 35740-2/6/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag surprise (Maytag vanes)
MESSAGE: I only see 4 vanes
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Post# 35741-2/6/2004-06:07 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Admiral
MESSAGE: So does anybody know the history of Admiral? I wonder how they escaped the WCI "monster"?
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Post# 35742-2/6/2004-07:22 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Admiral (wrong monster)
MESSAGE: They escaped the WCI but got caught by the evil Maytag monster. At Home Depot they sell Admiral branded Maytag made machines.
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Post# 35743-2/6/2004-08:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Admiral (Maytag monster)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I knew about them getting caught by the Maytag monster. I wonder who got their electronics division? (TV's, radios, etc.)
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Post# 35744-2/6/2004-08:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Admiral (Maytag monster)
MESSAGE: Hmm.. now that one I don't know. I think I've seen an Admiral TV or VCR recently but it was like a cheap Japanese made unit.
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Post# 35745-2/6/2004-16:25 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Admiral (history)
MESSAGE: Admiral started out as Continental Radio and Television Corp. Later the name changed to Admiral. Did anyone live in New York and remember seeing the large neon sign advertising "Admiral Televisions"? I was never there, but have a few old movies; showing the large neon sign. I believe someone like Coca Cola has the spot now. Anyway...
They expanded into appliances later. In the 70's, they sold the company to Rockwell International. In 1979, Magic Chef purchased Admiral from Rockwell. Then we know what happened next. Maytag came into the picture.
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Post# 35746-2/6/2004-16:33 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Admiral (Maytag monster)
MESSAGE: Admiral(Maytag)does not make electronics. A few years ago, Montgomery Wards used the name on most of their appliances and all of their electronics(TV's, VCR's,etc). This name, of course, licensed. Samsung was a supplier to the best of my knowledge.
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Post# 35747-2/6/2004-19:00 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
applianceville member on TV
MESSAGE: Hi everyone! A few months ago someone mentioned that their vintage appliances were going to be on a special on HGTV???. Does anyone have an update, I thought the show was to air this month, thanks.
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Post# 35748-2/6/2004-19:02 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 35749-2/6/2004-21:59 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
Talked with a Sears Tech that has worked from the 50's for Sears!
MESSAGE: Hello everyone!
Tonight I was at Sears looking at all of the new models that are out now. I was looking at the new Maytag Neptune, and a older gentleman came up to me and asked me "what do you think about that contraption"? I laughed and said "I am not sure yet". He said that they were just tearing one down this week. I of course was about to ask him what he meant by that, and before I could he said that he thought it would be many problems with them like most of Maytags inventions in laundry over the last few decades. I then was able to ask what he did with Sears, and he told me that he was the tech. supervisior and teacher for the Atlanta area. Before I could ask him how long he worked for Sears, he then said, "You should have seen this washer / dryer combo that they built in the 60's, this Neptune thing brought back memories of them". I almost fell to the floor. I then said "you know about those"? He said oh yea, we hated Maytag during that period. He said that for a long time Maytag tried and tried to get them to work correctly, but because of anger from techs and customers, Maytag threw in the towel and decided to replace the combos with a washer and dryer. I said but Sears did not sell Maytag's at the time right? He then said that Maytag had so many of them in the Atlanta area, that they would contract out with other companies to get the techs to work on them because all of the combos out there needed help. He told me that Combos were very popular here in Atlanta. It was a sign that you had big bucks! I asked him what other combos does he remember because I did not think his memory was as good as it seemed. He said the other big seller was the Lady Kenmore Combo, and they held up much better. "In fact, we have quite a few that are still running in the Buckhead area in Atlanta, and those old women would not part with them for anything". I was so shocked to hear him say that! He said that they really are amazing machines, and the trouble that they come upon are bad belts, bearings, hoses, and transmissions. He said that although there were not parts for them, he has rigged parts that he makes to fix most of them. I was so amazed by this! He talked about how well the machines of the 50's, 60' and early 70's were work horses that were meant to last. He said that a big tech joke is that he thought that the manufactures figured out they they were building them too well, and that is was causing every other decade to be a huge drop in sales. He thought this was the reason for cheaper machines of the 80's and on. He did say that he was happy to see that the new models that are coming (other than the regular top loaders) out are built very well. He said that it was so exciting to see the new models, and felt like it is again like the old days, with competition of design, and a pride in the work, merged with computers now.
I gave him my number and asked him to call me if he ever knew of someone that was "parting" with their older machines. He said he would call me because he hates to trash older machines. I asked him why he had not taken any to his house to restore, and he said "my wife would kill me".
We talked about about an hour. It was very refreshing to hear the stories that he told me. I told him about the club, and he was so excited about a group of people that "saved" older machines from the crusher. He said he would check it out.
Have a great weekend!
Brent
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Post# 35750-2/6/2004-23:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talked with a Sears Tech that has worked from the 50's for Sears!
MESSAGE: Brent, thanks for the relaying of the story and information. What a find of a guy. You made my weekend!!!!
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Post# 35751-2/7/2004-00:23 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Pictures!
MESSAGE: Okay, I finally entered the 21st century and figured out how to post pictures of my collection onto this website. Please check out my link! I'm in the process of taking photos of my new 1964 coppertone Kenmore fraternal twins and will post soon!
Thanks.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/album?.dir=/a2e1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/my_photos
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Post# 35752-2/7/2004-05:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talked with a Sears Tech that has worked from the 50's for Sears!
MESSAGE: Well, Brent that is a great story!! It is so nice to hear someone who likes to preserve the older machines and understands their importance. I am sure there may be more like him scattered throughout the country who do NOT embrace society's "throw it out" attitude. But unfortunately the prevailing attitude is "why bother - they are only washers??"
And you may have a source of vintage washers to boot!!!
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Post# 35753-2/7/2004-05:33 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Admiral (history)
MESSAGE: I remember in the early 70's,travelling on I294 in the Chicago area,and passing a giant "Admiral" sign.I think it was a TV plant that was there.There are a few semi trailers used for storage in my area that say Admiral on them.
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Post# 35754-2/7/2004-09:43 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
new whirlpool fan
MESSAGE: hi guy`s,
new to the club and think this is so cool,i`ve always like washers in perticular whirlpool and kenmore,just recently my reconditioned whirlpool died,had i known that tranny`s were so easy to come by i wouldn`t have let him talk us into getting a new one,(roper direct drive)just not the same as the old whirly,i grew up with a whirlpool and now i feel like i betrayed an old friend,after 12 years of faithful service sense i bought it, but really cool to here others are into thing like this,always kinda felt strange,but family had always expected me to be the maytag man,no chance,whirlpool or kenmore man,definetly,now i`m on a search mission to find a another belt driven whirlpool washer,does anyone know where i might score?thanks ,
rock
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Post# 35755-2/7/2004-10:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talked with a Sears Tech that has worked from the 50's for Sears!
MESSAGE: Brent
What a cool story....what fun you must have had! If he calls you with a 55 Unimatic give me a call! Distance is no object! LOL!
Rich
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Post# 35756-2/7/2004-10:26 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures!
MESSAGE: Your link doesn't seem to work....I think you need to set it for "public" access. Looking forward to your pics!
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Post# 35757-2/7/2004-10:30 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan
MESSAGE: I would suggest trying some local used appliance places. Although many of these deal in washers 5 years old or less, I bet if you let them know you are looking for a Whirlpool belt drive, they would keep an eye out for you. Those machines are easy to service and I dont think parts are that hard to come by. Good Luck!
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Post# 35758-2/7/2004-10:32 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag surprise (Maytag vanes)
MESSAGE: the extra four vanes are very small - sorta like ridges on the skirt of the agitator
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Post# 35759-2/7/2004-11:20 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan
MESSAGE: welcome aboard man316dara, it's nice to see another wp/km fan. There are many pictures of vintage kenmore and whirlpool machines on this site.Check out the member links and enjoy.
Pat
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Post# 35760-2/7/2004-11:32 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Used appliance stores)
MESSAGE: I have one special store that has a lot of older washers and dryers, they have about 15 Penta-vane Kenmores! I almost bought a GE Filter Flo with Mini-Basket, but my mother talked me into a compact machine because she thought it would work better, well, when we bought it was about $50.00 more expensive because they were so popular, and now it is dead. I want to get a GE Filter Flo, but she thinks that it can easily be fixed for free. (Like that'll happen.) She needs to let it go, I am surprised at how much she wants to keep it. She won't let me buy a bigger machine, to get better use of the space, but she does not trust it to wash clohtes, " you have to be right there watching it through the whole cycle" she says, and I want to get a bigger and more dramatic machine, but she refuses. Not a fun situation.
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Post# 35761-2/7/2004-11:41 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan
MESSAGE: pat
i`m from hackensack,n.j.,anyways, i just got done looking at the restoration on the lady kenmore,my gram`s kenmore had the same agitatoe,but the dials were metal and the labeling for the timer was painted on the control panal,and the was cycle was only 12 min long,anyone have an idea as to what year this was,my guess is gram`s had to be around 1969-70,becuase i was around 4 or 5 along as i can remember but my mom and dad told me i started watching the washer when i was nine months old,it started when gram`ma marie was watching me,she went down to the basement and through a load in,she walked away,and i started to cry,they became wise after about 2 trips down that the washer as long as it was doing something i would stop,so that was how everyone kept me out of their hair,just wanted to share that with everyone,but the pic. of the restore are awsome
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Post# 35762-2/7/2004-11:46 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Used appliance stores)
MESSAGE: pulsator,
liked the pent-swirl,gram`s old 60 series fron 1982 had the same agitator,was a good little machine
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Post# 35763-2/7/2004-13:47 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talked with a Sears Tech that has worked from the 50's for Sears! (Talked with a Sears Tech)
MESSAGE: I Brent ,
This is a real great story - nice to hear their are more people out their that appreciate old washers.
Hope you have been doing well
Peter
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Post# 35764-2/7/2004-13:51 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (new whirlpool fan)
MESSAGE: That was like me also
I was told I would always stop crying when I was able to watch the washing machine. (I still haven't grew up)
Watching a washer move always calms me
Peter
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Post# 35765-2/7/2004-14:39 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan
MESSAGE: I see the belt drive Whirlpools,and Kenmores all the time. Haven't been picking them up.I can find you one,if necessary.I'm in Indiana,though,shipping might present a problem.
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Post# 35766-2/7/2004-14:44 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (Newton Iowa(tours))
MESSAGE: While on the subject,does anyone know if any of the appliance plants offer tours? Somewhere like GE's Appliance Park,in Louisville,or any of the others? I informally toured Whirlpool,when they still made washers in Benton Harbor,and the old Gibson refrigerator plant in Greenville MI(now owned by Frigidaire,and maybe to be closed)when I had to make deliveries to them,and "casually" got lost for a while.
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Post# 35767-2/7/2004-14:59 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (that would be great)
MESSAGE: goatfarmer,
i`m looking in perticular for a suprem with the double duty agitator,the 18lb. model,if find one,i`ll work it out,some how!!
rock
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Post# 35768-2/7/2004-15:09 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (new whirlpool fan)
MESSAGE: Dunno what age I was, but my (step) grandmother supposedly was babysitting me, and held up me to look at their 1950s Whirlpool when it was running . . . been hooked ever since.
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Post# 35769-2/7/2004-15:11 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (that would be great)
MESSAGE: I know of a 1980s Imperial, but it's still being used regularly.
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Post# 35770-2/7/2004-18:36 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (new whirlpool fan)
MESSAGE: Actually I was like that too, when I was an infant, the day care would take me down to their Maytag, and let me watch one whole cycle through, if they took me away sooner, I would start screaming I was crying so hard, then they would have to start it over when they finally decided to give up and let me watch.
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Post# 35771-2/7/2004-19:10 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (goatfarmer)
MESSAGE: goat,
you find that model of whirly,i`d be more than happy to work it out,even if i have to bus myself there,and load it myself,let me know!!!would be greatly thankful!!
rock
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Post# 35772-2/7/2004-19:36 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure?
MESSAGE: I think it was the POD on Thurs. for GE clothes washer. Touting its' new extra large 12 lbs. capacity. Granted common sense tells that there is a significant difference between 12 lbs. of sheer nylon curtains and that of an "average mixed" 12 lbs. load.
This GE washer advertised that it cleaned in a SINGLE 12 lbs load and listed what that 12 lbs. load was comprised of: 3 double bed sheets, 4 pillow cases, 3 men's shirts, 4 pair men's shorts, 5 men's "T" shirts, 3 HEAVY cotton bath towels, 5 wash clothes, 12 handkerchiefs, and one table cloth (size not mentioned). Go figure? In all the instruction manuals I have had over many years for my GE washers (and all the other many brands too) it clearly states to "load clothing items loosing to the top of the agitator vanes". Highly! Recomemending to avoid poor washing performance not too overload. And recommends for best results that when laundering one large item that is then a full load and to place a smaller somewhat heavy article with it as to maintain balance during spin/extration.
I don't even want to remember all the top and front load washers that have passed through my life. I do understand the principal that underloading a top loader will indeed impeed the wash performance in that the clothes when loaded in the correct amount depending on the load composition provide the needed scrubbing action for proper cleaning. Having said that. Yes, I do understand proper loading of a fornt loader as well and that various items may indeed not appear to fill the drum like that of a "full load" yet do to the articles composition and wieght once wet it is indeed a "full" load. This principle I have successfully applied when operating top loaders.
Top loaders with center agitators of inphenonmial design of with and without holes, curved vanes, vanes that jumped up and down, straight vanes, agitators that the bottom turned one direction and the top portion rotated in another, agitators that turned clockwise and those that went counter clockwise, agaitors that were hollow inside, agitators with vains towards the left and those that were to the right, all sorst of pretty colors and some with chrome embleshed caps dipicting the manufacture name. These top loaders are incidiously labeled like that of mattresses, posture plus, pedicit plus, pillow top, firm yet oh so soft, miracle othro pedict, etc. That also is how we the comsumer have been intentionally decived to th capacity labing of the top load washer labeled as "standard", "standard plus", "plus standard", "extra standard plus", "super extra standard plus", "extra super standard plus 18", "plus extra maximum super" "Max 18" "The 21 pounder", "now those with that flat disk that spins, rocks, rotates, stangs, leave mark on garments, and so on.
Perhaps, I have have been doing my laundry all wrong for more decades dare to share this with you sisters. I cry softly. Then just think of all the water and detergent (leading brand of course) and time I have wasted. Yet. The Great Laundry God's have watched over my poor stupid soul and the result were always good. Silly me. Here I thought what the hell. I have a least got this damn laundry thing understood and really do wait 5 minutes before adding the leading brand bleach too. Always shaking out the wrinkled washed items before loading into dryer. You know there are some who do not. They MUST BE DESTROYED!!!
Okay, yesterday I admit to haveing a little to much time on my hands. The ancient Speed Queen washers in the laundry room (final rpm NOT TO BE BELIEVED) with a the ring around the drum that sprays the water in for fill and spray spin rinse. Some articles don't even need the dryer. They are labled in heavey chrome as "Fabric Master Super Maximum Deluxe Capacity". Indeed the wash drum is quite deep. I followed GE list exactly for a 12 lbs. load. The only thing I was uncertain about was that table cloth. I opted for a small cotton/poly accent table cloth. Yes, we all know that one. And yes I do have 12 handkerchiefs. No. I did not stubsitute 12 heavy cotton dinner size napkins!
I know there are those of you who will say - clutch the pearls and exclaim? But there such a difference between 100% cottom items and polly blends. Sweetie Darling. There was your difference. How dare you!!! Speak so very unklindly of our better than any other beloved GE washer!!! Damn you!!! Damn stupid bitch!!! Who does she think she is? I know once again I have made enemies on this website. Okay, I am really pretending like I care about that. Without a doubt we are all cut from the same cloth. First being that DW are really my hearts desire for which I overload as not to have to hand wash.
And give new meaning to the definition of "random loading". Yeah. Yeah. So keep your saucers and cups in that order your frieghten to EVER change. No. It simply is not done! You don't understand? They MUST be loaded that way or something TERRIBle will happen! I just know it.
So I got the GE defined 12 lbs load into the oh so wonderful and marvelous Speed Queen. Thank God that building code is such that there is a sprinkler pipe running directly above the washer. I crawled on top the washer grapped on to that pipe so that I could use both feet to STOMP the exactly as GE defined 12 lbs load GE "touted: thier washer clean in just one load. No. Of course not. I am not a fool. I did not run it. There is no-way-in-hell. Nor would the "Super Maximum Capacity Dryer" sister Speed Queen dryer with ultr cross flow drying and ease of convenience filter cleaning would have dried it.
Thanks for baring with me fellow members. You may recall you have not heard from me since the last week of Sept. I promise!!! Honestly not to post again for many a more months. My question is. Just how much do you ladies/...guys...wink..wink load your oh so be loved top loaders with? Like that of what GE defines? I think not?
It is is like the early dishwasher adverstisements. Remember? That spin tube, big blue wash arm and those with impellors that said they scrub your greasy backed on broiler pans, roasters, skillets and pots clean, as well as your fine wedding crystal and china too! Freedom for the busy homemaker what with that damn dog barking, the baby crying, the telephone ringing, smoke bellowing out of the oven and that constant knocking at both the front and back doors. Well we all know better...
Until the next time I darken this website. Thanks.
As Ever and Ever, Party Cycle.
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Post# 35773-2/7/2004-19:54 ||| olds68 (NJ)
SUBJECT:
Waterwitch Ringer Washer
MESSAGE: I own a Waterwitch Ringer Washer vintage (approx. 1930's). Also, I own a 1950's Sears Ironing Machine & Hotpoint Clothes Dryer. I am looking to sell these items. If interested please feel free to contact me via e-mail. Thanks!
LINK: http://olds68@verizon.net
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Post# 35774-2/8/2004-00:33 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (How to Post Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Well, I tried to change the access in "Yahoo Pictures" to allow public access but it says you can no longer do that. Any ideas? I'd love to show everyone my collection!
Thanks.
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Post# 35775-2/8/2004-03:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (How to Post Pics)
MESSAGE: Go to the album you want to share with us. Above the pictures you can click on "Edit Album Info". In the middle of the page you see "Edit Settings". Click here and Select "Public" and press the "Save" button.
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Post# 35776-2/8/2004-09:07 ||| AndrewInOrlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure?
MESSAGE: OK, I haven't laughed this hard in a long time.....very good!!
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Post# 35777-2/8/2004-12:52 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure?
MESSAGE: Honey, you deserve an EMMY for Best Comedy on that one. You have certainly made my day a little brighter :)
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Post# 35778-2/8/2004-13:46 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: Thank you for your help. That was so easy! I'm sorry I couldn't figure it out myself.
Please check out the link now.
Enjoy!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/album?.dir=/a2e1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/my_photos
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Post# 35779-2/8/2004-14:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (all the right colors)
MESSAGE: Wow, awesome collection of copper and avocado. I bet that 70 WP is fun fun fun to watch.
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Post# 35780-2/8/2004-15:49 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: wow what realy great pics
I love all those machines
Best wishes
Peter
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Post# 35781-2/8/2004-16:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: That avocado Whirlpool dryer looks to be the one my grandmother had for almost 30 years. Is it a 1972 model? LXE, I think is the series.
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Post# 35782-2/8/2004-16:36 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Skyrocketing Vintage Appliance Prices
MESSAGE: Hey Guys,
I'm probably going to get creamed for saying anything about this deal; but I believe that in many cases (curent selling prices)are unfortunatly, mostly of our own doing.
I have collected vacuum cleaners for 15 years now, and have seen the prices for cleaners that I used to pick up for like $5.00 skyrocket. For an example of cleaner prices that I have seen....I bought one of my first vintage cleaners from a small second hand store in Potterville south of Lansing for that meager price of $5.00. It was a 1961 General Electric Swivel-Top Chrome and mint green with all attachments... 10 years later I tired of it (stupidly), and sold it off (on e-bay) at a handsome profit about 5 years ago for $86.00.
See profit of ($81.00)....and now I can't get one for that price...
WHY? Because I later decided later that it was a horrendous mistake and have since seen only one or two of that same model, and both of them went... (with all it's stuff) for over $100.00.each....
It's all in the rarity and what YOU/WE the collectors will pay. BUT because most of the machines that people have sold as of late are so very nice and (everyone) wants them...of course someone flush with bucks will snatch them from you if you arent willing to deplete your wage packets to pay the price that you know they are going to command. Because there is always someone out there that has the bucks ( and the passion I guess to own them) and up the prices go up and up.
JUST REMEMBER THIS GUYS...only WE as the collecting community can regulate prices for these huge ol monsters that we love and cherish. Yeah so someone can ask $500.00 on e-bay for a TOL 1979 Frigidaire 1-18 set, with the beloved Jet cone action and a matching widemouth dryer, but because they're not AS SCARCE as we all make them out to be ( they're really not guys) I mean they're only 25 years old now...they cant be that scarce.
But...if we see a nice set and we have the $500.00 to spend for them.....We buy them and set the trend.
But if we all dont all rush to bid, and send the prices spiraling upwards,someone in this club could get this set for about half that if everyone doesn't panic and shoot the prices thru the ceiling.
If everyone in this club diddn't all at the same time rush rush rush to get them and agreee to the outlandish and very inflated prices that we see these machines go for...than guys..... we wouldn't pay as much as they are going for. It's all our own doing, and purely a matter of greed.
I get most of my machines from sources close to me and many of them came from my Great Uncle Joe whom worked for Sears just like the gentleman that spoke to another memeber. I got both the 1979 1-18's that I have and my 1966 Lady K's from him.
The store that I used to work at weilded my Westinghouse Stackables, and before that weilded my 1967 Maytag Washpower Automatic's like the turquoise gas set that recently went for a astounding amount....You want to know what I paid for them 5 years ago just before getting my Westinghouse's? !$150.00. The set on e-bay sold for about $500.00 more or so.
Because we all get excited and wet our pants as soon as we see some of these machines (on e-bay) instead of looking in second hand shops, used appliance stores and really thru EACH OTHER...we pay these exorbitant amounts for machines that we cannot end up affording, because everone rushed to bid for them.
The early 50's Westinghouse Laundromat's are just a perfect example of machines that ARE rare and DESERVE to command the prices set forth (and being purchased for). I mean besides those set's that are currently resting (or being used) in someones basement or collecting room......just how many sets of them do you think from that early 50's vintage are still left?
I can tell you that if that was a L-100 Program Computer Set from 1959 with the all pushbutton control We as the collecting community would have sent those prices thru the ceiling. Remember that about 5 years ago...before buying washers from e-bay was considered chic....I had a set of those very machines right in my own backyard that the owners wanted $1,200.00 for.
So it's not all our own doing...it's just a darned good part of it.
That's my thoughts on the situation anyway...
It just pains me that we the hard core collectors really set the trends for our kids (machines) and we put what price we feel they are worth on them no matter what. Some people who originally sell these things,selling this whatever; that they might feel is crap. Is then later still just astounded, and stares wide eyed into the abyss as what they thought would get $50.00 for the set just sold for 100 times that.
Someone else who views them knows of where another set like it is.....and charges a starting bid of what the previous set sells for. And up thr prices go.
Thanks
Chad
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Post# 35783-2/8/2004-17:16 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Todd, I wasnt sure by the pictures,but is that whirlpool washer an 18lb. capacity model?
Thanks
Pat
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Post# 35784-2/8/2004-17:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: It's the standard 12lb size.
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Post# 35785-2/8/2004-17:28 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason.Those fins on the base of the surgilator looked pretty high.Would love to get a hold of one of those:)
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Post# 35786-2/8/2004-20:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Skyrocketing Vintage Appliance Prices
MESSAGE: As collectors prices do go up unfortunately-but what concerns me is the big JUMP in the prices. I really don't think old washers and dryers are really that scarce-its just uncovering them from hiding-usable one at appliance dumps and graveyards-trade ins from appliance stores,ones in someones basements and garages and so one.I would think units such as the FL "westys" may not be THAT rare because of the durability of their mechanism.
I collect other things besides appliances-guns,movie posters,vacuum cleanrs.I have some books that tell the value of some of these things-the guns and posters.It does depend on how badly you want the item.It is also rare that you will sell your items at the "book" price because not everone is willing to pay them-esp expereinced collectors-they will even "brag" on how little they paid for a "prize" item.Also as a collector you may have to "specialize" in a certian brand,type,of applliace or Gun.In the case of posters,by subject or the movie star.agaion I do this primarily for fun-I am NOT trying to make money.I am priced out of the market for the guns,radio Hi-fi equipment. I used to have a Scott LK-48 amplifier-these were quite common-I paid less than $50 for it 20years ago. Now they cost about $700.0 to get.I got mine from a hi-fi shop from the "trade-in" shelf.I too get my appliances from local sources-the used appliance stores.
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Post# 35787-2/8/2004-20:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Waterwitch Ringer Washer
MESSAGE: the link doesn't work-I get Verizion phone service site and LOTS of pop-out ads.
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Post# 35788-2/8/2004-20:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (Newton Iowa(tours))
MESSAGE: It is posted on the what is now Electrolux website-they announced and confirmed that the Greenville Mi 'fridge factory to be closed down this spring-and there goes 2700 jobs!!I beleive they build Frigidaires there.Also Electrolux owns Poulan,Weed Eater,Husqnarva outdoor "appliances as well.
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Post# 35789-2/8/2004-20:21 ||| Washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Pat,
Thanks for responding, Jason!
Todd
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Post# 35790-2/8/2004-20:28 ||| Washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics - Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure what year they are. I had another newer pair (1984) of Whirlpool machines and emailed Whirlpool customer service with the model/serial numbers & they gave me the year. Guess I need to do the same with these. I'm guessing they are around 1970-2. (washer model # LXA series, dryer model # LWE) Any ideas?
Regardless, they work great and are fun to watch; including the Magic Mix lint filter/detergent dispenser!
Todd
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Post# 35791-2/8/2004-20:31 ||| Washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Skyrocketing Vintage Appliance Prices ($400 1964 Kenmores)
MESSAGE: Guess I was lucky to find my two restored vintage Kenmore washer & dryer for only $400. The appliance store owner said they were "priced as appliances, not as collector items." Regardless, they were happy that I was buying them and giving them a good home!
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Post# 35792-2/8/2004-20:35 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics - love that whirlpool set)
MESSAGE: Hi!
You have a great collection. The avocado Whirlpool set is identical to the set that we had at home in the early 1970s. I remember that we bought the set at K-MART. (I wonder if anyone remembers when K-Mart used to sell major appliances.) The only difference is that her set was white. This set is one of my "dream sets" that I am currently looking for.
Would it be too much trouble to ask for the model #s for both of these machines?
Thanks Dennis
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Post# 35793-2/8/2004-20:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan
MESSAGE: These are the places that I "hunt" in my area-I told them(all three of the stores) I was interested in older machines-like 1950's and 1960's-they told me I was the only one that assked for such a thing.This website inspired me to look-I told them about this website as well.The store operators said they used to send those machines to the "krusher"because no one wanted them.Now they are looking.I check them regularly.One of the stores told me the older the machine-the cheaper-very good.The delivory is free as well.I asked them to look for a 1950's Norge,Speed Queen and Wp-Kn machines.At the stores near me you do see MANY newer models as well-those less than 5 years old.I looked in the Graveyard in one of the shops and saw many "Dead" Neptunes and Atlantus machines.-Plus many dead WP DD models.The shop operator says he pulls parts from the machines-then it goes to the "bailer-krusher"
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Post# 35794-2/8/2004-20:37 ||| Washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (Laundry Comedy)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the laughs! I don't think even an 18-pounder could have handled that "average mixed" load GE was describing...!
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Post# 35795-2/8/2004-20:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talked with a Sears Tech that has worked from the 50's for Sears!
MESSAGE: It was interesting-the tech also brought up quality issues.Yes in the '50s things were built to LAST.-and be easily repaired by a user or the tech.
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Post# 35796-2/8/2004-20:43 ||| Washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics - love that whirlpool set)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I found the Whirlpool set here at a local Phoenix appliance store that also specialized in rental machines. These had been a popular rental set (go figure?) and were ready to go back out as a rental but I offered $250 for both the washer & dryer and he sold them to me. His quick acceptance makes me think I should have bid lower but I had never seen a set like that before so jumped at it.
Anyway, full model numbers:
washer LXA5540A0
dryer LWE5500A0
K-Mart used to sell appliances?
Todd
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Post# 35797-2/8/2004-20:45 ||| Washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talked with a Sears Tech that has worked from the 50's for Sears!
MESSAGE: That is a great story. And please let me know if you hear about a late 50s/early 60s Norge or Wards Signature washer. I'm still searching for one of those!
Thanks,
Todd
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Post# 35798-2/8/2004-20:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Admiral (wrong monster)
MESSAGE: I have seen these too-also fridges-they were very spartan-sounds like Maytags "builders" brand.
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Post# 35799-2/8/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: When washers Jump The Shark (Sears and Wards)
MESSAGE: No-this was in the Manassas Mall in Manassas VA-It was about 50mi SW of Wash DC.I used to live there-I too thought it was VERY unuasual.The stores were on Opposite ends of the mall.Was great though for the washer demos-and dishwasher demos too.You could watch the demos at the Wards or the Sears store.At the Sears store you could turn on the machine yourself-and watch it work-at that time the salesman hears you start it and then comes over to try to convince you to buy it.The machine would just agitate-was always full of water with what looks like rags in it. It was a Kn DD model with a Dual action agitator.
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Post# 35800-2/8/2004-20:54 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Major Appliances at K-Mart)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the model #'s. If you can believe it, K-mart used to sell major appliances. We bought the set like you have at a K-Mart in Nashville, back in 1970. I was about 6-7 yrs old then. They used to have an appliance department where the electronics department currently is now. They sold refrigerators, freezers, w/d's, ranges, tv's, and stereos. In the appliance line, I can only remember Whirlpool and seems like they sold the Admiral line as well. To my knowledge, they stopped selling appliances in the mid to late 1970's.
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Post# 35801-2/8/2004-20:58 ||| Washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Major Appliances at K-Mart)
MESSAGE: I grew up in the 60s/70s in a small town in rural northern California (Eureka) and we had Sears, Wards & Penneys, but no Kmart. (We were a Wards family so everyone had Signature machines)
So do you think the pair I have is vintage 1970? That's what I was guessing.
Thanks.
Todd
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Post# 35802-2/8/2004-21:09 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Major Appliances at K-Mart)
MESSAGE: Yes! You definitely have a vintage set there, as well as your Frigidaire set. Those Whirlpool machines were built well. The only problem we ever had with them was a clogged pump, or a worn belt. They were smooth running and very, very dependable. Whirlpools belt drives have always been good dependable machines.
I look forward to finding a set like yours someday, (only in white!)
As a side note, I too came into the 21st century several weeks ago and set up pictures of my collection for all to see. If you get a chance, take a look.
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Post# 35803-2/8/2004-21:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics - love that whirlpool set)
MESSAGE: Yes, K-Mart sold Whirlpool, then later Whirlpool's Estate label.
A local discount-type store in this area (FedMart) also sold Whirlpool in the 1970s. That's where I first laid eyes (and hands) on an Imperial Mark 18 pair.
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Post# 35804-2/8/2004-21:58 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics - love that whirlpool set)
MESSAGE: I was wondering if anyone else remembered the "K-Mart appliance department" besides me. I didn't know that they sold the Estate label also. Interesting! I thought that the Estate line was more recent (80's and later) than that.
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Post# 35805-2/8/2004-22:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan
MESSAGE: I love the story. Thanks for sharing with us.
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Post# 35806-2/8/2004-22:03 ||| Petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Top-load washers were better in the '70s
MESSAGE: Hello,
I just joined this site, and think that top-loaders in the '70s were so much better. I remember my Mom's 1971 Kenmore...it had a gold plastic deep ramp agitator that moved slower than the direct-drive agitators of today, but with a more dramatic back-and-forth arc. It created currents that were only matched by my 1993 GE Washer, before GE went direct-drive about a year later. My machine also had a traditional one-piece ramp agitator (and the same filter-flo of years ago). I've seen the washing action of current direct-drive machines - even those with the cork-screw top...and have seen the loads just sit there while the agitators just shimmy on a tight path, not moving the load at all. I wonder why this trend has happened...perhaps direct-drive is cheaper to manufacture, or easier to repair.
I also remember our old 1971 Kenmore had a cycle called "Suds". It would activate the agitator in an empty tub. Wash water from the previous load would be pumped back into the washer from the laundry sink for re-use. Apparently, this was one of the early eco-conscious movements back then. My Mom would use it when fairly clean loads were washed first (bath towels, etc.).
As an adult in my 30s, I have a brand new front-load Bosch and couldn't be happier with it. It's extremely frugal with water and energy, washes the hell out of the clothes, and is still so gentle that the clothing tags remain readable!!!
I'd love to hear your thoughts/memories, so just hit me back!
Petebldg9
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Post# 35807-2/8/2004-22:20 ||| Petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics - love that whirlpool set)
MESSAGE: Hi - I definitely remember when K-Mart sold major appliances. We lived in Canton, MI at the time, around 1979. Our K-Mart sold Whirlpool and GE appliances. I remember the illustrated posters fastened to the machines to explain their features...and of course, the beautiful gold and olive-green colors from back then. I remember those trips to K-Mart fondly, when appliance purchasing was more of an "event" than an after-thought.
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Post# 35808-2/8/2004-22:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s
MESSAGE: The DD system is cheaper to build.Its claimed by some the DD driveshaft from the motor to the transmission is cheaper than a belt.But note the driveshaft acts as a "fuse" if the transmission is overloaded-it breaks off.(at least the belt will slip in this case-often with no damage)I used to have a DD kenmore 80-Was unimpresseed by its lackluster agitation and the clothes washed in it took more of a drubbing than in any other machine I have used or had. I got rid of that Kenmore-esp after the metal inner wash basket banged into the PLASTIC outer tank from an unbalanced load-breaking the outer tub. It was repaired under warranty.With that I buy only VINTAGE machines.It seems all are using plastic tubs and baskets.
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Post# 35809-2/8/2004-22:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics - love that whirlpool set)
MESSAGE: The Kmarts in Houston sold Whirlpool and Frigidaire. This was the first and only time I ever saw the agitator mounted Frigidaire fabric softener dispenser. At one time, Fed Mart sold Maytag, this was like 1960 or 1961.
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Post# 35810-2/8/2004-22:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (Laundry Comedy)
MESSAGE: That load description does sound like it would be too much-particularly if the items were wet upon loading.The figures of 12,14,18 pounders are often meaningless-unless the manufacturer states wether the items are wet or dry.Too this was dropped since 18 pounds of some fabrics would be so much bulk you couldn't fit it into the machine.I just load it to the point where things still circulate when its agitating.With a few uses of a "strange" machine you quickly learn how much you can load in it.PS-I don't know if I would want to wash my tablecloths in the same load as mens "shorts" -I guess they mean undershorts.
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Post# 35811-2/8/2004-23:01 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (Laundry Comedy)
MESSAGE: too many different fabrics in that supposed load for my tastes to be washed in the same load. And what if they weren't all white either??? Good grief.
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Post# 35812-2/8/2004-23:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Skyrocketing Vintage Appliance Prices ($400 1964 Kenmores)
MESSAGE: The price on these peices sounds reasonable since they were restored.I think they were pricing them to recover the costs of parts they may have had to replace-Did they mention they replaced anything in your machines?For the most part they priced them with a "users" price.Sound like a good find-congradulations!!
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Post# 35813-2/8/2004-23:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: Thne Frigidaire pair and Whirlpool pair you have are excellent specimens-My Whirlpool Imperial 90 resembles your machine.Not exactly the same-but similar.Do your machines have the flourescent bulb that lights the control console when the machine is running?
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Post# 35814-2/8/2004-23:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (Laundry Comedy)
MESSAGE: Yea-thats an other problem--Will the colors bleed into each other???
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Post# 35815-2/9/2004-00:51 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?)
MESSAGE: I'm new to this forum, but when did GE come out with a direct Drive?
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Post# 35816-2/9/2004-05:43 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately around 1996 or so. They followed WP/Kitchen Aid/Kenmore and Maytag and raced to get a not so great design and quality machine to market in order to compete with those brands with the DD and "corkscrew agitator".
I also remember that in the last years of the old GE design, they moved away from the Filter Flo system and used the system they had on their Hotpoint line - - the big agitator on top of of the "hand wash" agitator and self cleaning filter ring. That enormous agitator reduced the capacity of the machine even more causing our beloved CR to rate its capacity below average. In fact in the last years of the filter flo, CR when comparing it to the DD machines consistently called the GE design "dated and not competitive in today's market place" or something like that. That statement was like a death knell for the old GE design. The truth was that even though the design was years old it WORKED!!! And those machines were dependable - noisy but dependable.
So what do we have today? Loads of 20+year old Filter Flo GE's happily still splashing, grinding, groaning and banging away, and many more post 1996 GE plastic tubbed TL's sitting in landfills with an average life expectancy of less than 6 years. HMM.... yes, great design and execution!!!
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Post# 35817-2/9/2004-07:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD YAY!!!
MESSAGE: And there it is... my dream machine. The almighty Kenmore 800.
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Post# 35818-2/9/2004-07:52 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
40 years ago today
MESSAGE: Does anyone know what happened 40 years ago today?
A famous TV show and a great commercial appeared on TV.
The Beatles perform for the first time on Ed Sullivan and during that show, a commercial featuring Frigidaire washers came on, giving us Beatles and washer fans a jolly good show.
How many of you were around to see the Beatles on Ed Sullivan? I wasn't born yet but thanks to DVD technology, I have the whole thing.
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Post# 35819-2/9/2004-08:21 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?)
MESSAGE: I had to laugh at this!
hahahah, hhehehe, OooooOOOOh!
yes, great design and execution!!!
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Post# 35820-2/9/2004-08:36 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: Great Pics man, I have the same Frigidaire washer!
I'm so sad that I don't have the same amount of time to play with my unit since my dad had a stroke and I'm his personal home attendant for the morning and afternoon and sometimes the evening...... But good luck with your new collection!
And remember that a load of dirty clothes is not clean unless you see suds!
Now what did that box said?
Should I use 1 cup?
2 Cups?
Forgetaboutit, I just use the whole box!
Oh Yea!!!!
:-))
Larry
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Post# 35821-2/9/2004-09:02 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?)
MESSAGE: Hi all,
Ge does not have a direct drive design, it is belt driven. And while I agree that the filter flo design was of good quality, it isn't without its problems. Never cared for the design of the outer tub, which was huge to accomadate the inner tub suspension;
notorious water guzzler. Also the 2 speed clutch and pump mounted above it was not an ingenious design (pump leaked onto clutch).
Badly out of balance loads would scrape the sides of the outer tub
and wear a hole through it. If the transmission boot became unclamped, ALL the water in the tub would gush onto the floor!
In the 90's as with all GE appliances, quality really suffered on that old design. Transmissions were leaking oil because they had lost the "recipe" for the tranny seal near the bottom pulley.
they switched to the inferior self cleaning tub ring; eliminated the mini wash etc. Ge was always slow to change designs in the 80's and 90's. Their biggest boo boo was the rotary compressor fiasco of the mid 80's. I feel that was the beginning of the end
of GE quality! Price of parts is also ludicrous!
On a positive note, they still make a decent electric range!
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Post# 35822-2/9/2004-09:25 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: No, I'm afraid I have the "no frills" models that don't have the lighted dashboard. My '64 Kenmores have a lighted panel and it's really cool!
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Post# 35823-2/9/2004-10:20 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Larry,
Sorry to hear about your father. My thoughts are with you. I went thru the same thing with my Mom last year but she's doing fine now.
Careful about how much soap you put into that Frigidaire! My partner isn't allowed to use our machine because he likes to put in LOTS of detergent; not a good thing in a Frigidaire!
Take care,
Todd
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Post# 35824-2/9/2004-10:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures! (Posted Pics)
MESSAGE: You're welcome. These things happen to everybody who sets up a Yahoo album, it's easy to overlook it.
I think you've got some nice 70's appliances there. Thanks for sharing your pictures!
Louis
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Post# 35825-2/9/2004-12:06 ||| luckhasit (mill valley ca.)
SUBJECT:
help wanted old stove
MESSAGE: Someone told me 4 year back,that they has put on their vintage stove a electonic ignition for the pilot light. Now I'm looking to do the same time and hiting a wall. Anyone know where, how,ect thank for any help Lynda
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Post# 35826-2/9/2004-14:03 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: I agree about the electric and gas ranges...they still do make the better ones.
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Post# 35827-2/9/2004-14:40 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
HOTPOINT HALLMARK 40" RANGE
MESSAGE: OMG
I was just at a customers house She wants a new range and has a Hotpoint 40" Hallmark range (similar to the frigidaire flair)
I think it is about 1967 vintage. The left oven is the thrift oven
and the broiler does not work; also one 6" burner does not work either. It has cooktop and oven lights and a 4/6/8 burner as well.It sits atop it's own white cabinet. Also the clock does not work. Anybody in the Massachusetts area interested? Hate to see it go to the crusher. You can find my email address in my profile.
She is about to purchase a new range so let me know quickly!
Thanks, John
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Post# 35828-2/9/2004-14:41 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
The Imperial Comes Home
MESSAGE: Got the old machine off the truck today. It needs a couple things, for one it needs a new power cord, and belt. The transmission needs to be re-sealed and new lubricant. I turned the belt, all the parts seem to function normally although they were a little stiff at first. The agitator has a domed top, much like Unimatics, only mine is chrome. She's got a lighted panel!
The outer part cleaned up nicely, with a few scratches and very little rust. Some rust in the inner tub, though. I would like to find a way to maybe re--porcelin the inner tub if possible. I think the last owner gave up on her when the transmission started throwing oil. But none the less, the old granny's got a home where she'll be well cared for. Any info about how to remove a transmission and drive belt would he helpful. Thanks!
The Imperial
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Post# 35829-2/9/2004-17:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: Are they still made in Mexico? The best GE gas ranges were the ones Tappan built for them. Parts are much cheaper,too.
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Post# 35830-2/9/2004-17:44 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytags on ebay (Newton Iowa(tours))
MESSAGE: They built most of the top mount refrigerators there.Used to be Gibsons,Kelvinators,Westinghouse,Tappan,Frigidaire,some of the Kenmores,all the great WCI brands.A sad day,indeed.......
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Post# 35831-2/9/2004-18:00 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (Washing boxer shorts and table clothes in the same load...?)
MESSAGE: Rex I agree with you about not liking the idea of laundering boxer shorts and table clothes together. This washer horror story occurred 24 years. Therefore, abides by vintage appliance website requirements.
Japan homes are known for space being a premium and maximizing every inch. My journey to Japan, hellish, 19 hrs., dressed suit/tie at times had me “sweat,n like a rapist”. Needed a shower and clean clothes. I arrived at my host’s marvelous home with such a tremendously small but incredibly unique kitchen. His humble, slave like wife spoke no English and quickly sent my suit, shirt and tie to the cleaners. Her husband spoke perfect English. Say their showers are not designed for anyone over 5’5”!
To stay on schedule he and I left quickly. However, I did notice the wife loading a clothes washer my boxers and socks. Believe me? My 19 hr. old underwear had personality of its own. If you know what I mean? Along with what appeared to be some his shorts too.
We returned at the mandatory traditional tea time. My dry cleaning had been returned and my “ironed” underwear too. His wife was setting up a tray with such beautiful celadon green tea service. I did notice but not give to much thought about her removing those beautiful celadon green tea cups from the dishwasher. Okay, so they have a DW located next to the clothes washer. Very proud and kind to explain the delightful fragrant ancient blend; oolong, black and mandarin leaves.
There we sat (on-the-floor). Beyond boiling tea is served and I am making nice so-to-speak. As I raised this beautiful celadon green tea cup to my mouth. Only my eye could be seen. I asked that he please thank his wife for me having washed my clothes. Began to fill my mouth full of this so delicious tea. The wife gushed. He translated. “She just loves that combination dishwasher/clothes washer”!!!
Keep in mind that beautiful celadon tea cup still positioned at my now full mouth. I felt my blood stop and start to flow in reverse. My instinctive response was to spit out this my mouth full of tea that would have been on them seated so close. Eyes tell everything. The both saw my shockingly horrified eyes. Wanting to know if the tea was alright or too hot? My mind is racing. This beautiful celadon tea cup had been washed in the same machine mine and his shorts had!!! Dear God! I am going to die an awful death here in Japan!!! With no other choice I swallowed knowing it was pure poison.
I was saved by something that always drove me crazy my “late” Mom would say. While gesturing "...No thank you..." “...It all looks just absolutely delicious...” “...I don’t believe I care for any right now...“ “...No thank you...” Mom's way of saying there is no-way-in-hell I am going to eat that!!! Works like a charm every time. Such a pro. Mom also taught me the fine art and highly importance purpose of "lunch". Always order a chopped salad to fork through never eat, wearing sunglasses, bitch, end with a smart cocktail, cigarette and continue shoe shopping.
Rex your earlier concern I understand. Can you believe it? These combo dishwasher/clothes washers are still very popular in Japan to this day. Here you and I are concerned about washing our boxers with the tablecloth. Go figure Buddy? By the way I did take a closer look at that machine. I had to since it was going to be my cause of death. Actually very compact and impressively well designed.
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Post# 35832-2/9/2004-18:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: unfortunately they are.We have a Tappan "centennial"bought new in 1987 or 88.forget which,but this must have been an early 80's model because it is in harvest gold with a chrome and glass backgaurd and cooktop light.I would also guess that 1982 was there centennial year.I have to find the manual to be sure.
It is a truly pretty gas range and yes I do remember reading a consumer reports from 1987 I believe that had a GE gas range made by Tappan.It got high marks that year.Right after that year Tappan became a WCI victim and of course GE right along with them.I believe it wasnt until about 1990 or so GE started to build their own gas ranges...I remember they were advertising their XL44 ranges. Handsome ranges then and now.
I really am not a big GE fan but as far as cooking goes,they seem to make the most reliable ranges and they don't have those cheap plastic backgaurds.
Pat
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Post# 35833-2/9/2004-18:31 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (Washing boxer shorts and table clothes in the same load...?)
MESSAGE: Great story, I'm still cracking up.
Pat
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Post# 35834-2/9/2004-18:34 ||| Localrescue (apple valley, ca)
SUBJECT:
1956 EASY spindrier Need Value
MESSAGE: Hi folks- this neat machine has been donated to our rescue group to sell on ebay. However, I have no idea on value- you can see it at http://localrescue.org/washer.htm It is in great shape! Thanks for heping us figure this out- all proceeds to animal rescue and spay/neuter. Gina
LINK: http://localrescue.org/washer.htm
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Post# 35835-2/9/2004-18:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (Washing boxer shorts and table clothes in the same load...?)
MESSAGE: Well after reading your story the tablecloths with the underwear is not really an issue! Do they flush out the combo-washer-dishwasher after say you have done a load of clothes before you do a load of dishes in it? I would think you would have to do that.I would think this would be an issue with combo machines such as that-I guess too with the Thor combo washer dishwasher(I beleive it was those folks that built them for use here)Also did you see how that machine works? sound interesting though.-However unnerving during the meal you had there.I do know of folks who wash there kitchen sponges in their dishwashers-with the dishes too-.I would wash my sponge in the clothes washer instead.
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Post# 35836-2/9/2004-18:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: I remember a GE washer that a friend of mine bought -I would say it was in the late 90's when he got it. The washer died a year or so ago-it lasted for only 4 years. The thing had a PLASTIC transmission with PLASTIC gears.The tranny blew out and with such force that the plastic tank was broken-dumping the water all over their laundry room floor.The guts of that machine was so torn up it was almost hard to tell the mechanism type.Sorry example of a washer.We took the thing to the dump-I am sure the "krusher-bailer" there had a good meal.He bought a DD Kenmore to replace it. I told him to baby the kenmore.
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Post# 35837-2/9/2004-18:47 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Belt Drive)
MESSAGE: I do look forward to fixing my Suds Saver. I'm looking at the transmission, and I wonder where to begin. The silinoid to the suds saver seems to have a corroded hose fitting, the one that leads to the "reserve laundry tub". I may have to work around that and not use the suds saver until I can find a way to fix this part.
Does anybody have a repair manual that would show how to remove a transmission and drive belt?
The Imperial
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Post# 35838-2/9/2004-18:51 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: We own a kenmore DD 90 series washer.March will be a year and it has washed some really big loads without a problem...heres hoping we will get at least 15 yrs from this machine like we did our DD whirlpool.
Pat
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Post# 35839-2/9/2004-19:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD YAY!!!
MESSAGE: I have one like this but it doesn't have the dispensor shown on the machine in the picture.
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Post# 35840-2/9/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: I had bad expereience with the WP-KN DD design-I used to have a Kenmore sereies 80 washer-during an unbalanced load the washers inner tub banged into the plastic outer tank cracking it. The machine was only a week old.The next load I did I had a wet floor. Called Sears-they fixed it under warranty.They had to replace both tubs in the machine.If I had to pay for the reapirs it would have been over $300. I paid about 350 for the machine.I am very glad you have had good luck with yours.The tech that came out and fixed mine told me and others that used these to "baby" them-part NOT washing tennis shoes in them.The shoes could break the DD motor coupler.The coupler acts as a "fuse" and breaks in case of an overload.You might want to keep a spare coupler on hand.
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Post# 35841-2/9/2004-19:53 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Belt Drive,imperial)
MESSAGE: i`ve got a whirlpool repair man.i`ll look in it and see if i can find anything on a suds saver model,if so i`ll mail you the directions for the repair
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Post# 35842-2/9/2004-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Belt Drive)
MESSAGE: At some time I would like a suds saver machine-with all the hoopla about water and energy saving-I'm surprized this design hasn't made a comeback.-Ditto with the Easy type washers with spinner tub dryers instead of a wringer.I can remember the "laundry tub sinks" you would use with such washers.(suds saver) They were in some of the houses I used to live in-or my folks lived in.My dads house has one.
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Post# 35843-2/9/2004-19:55 ||| Agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: Hello Rex,I will definitely keep that in mind.Some times theres lemons in even the best of them.Sorry to hear about your machine.
I think for the most part WP/KM still make a good toploader along with Maytag...It could be worse,they could be like modern Frigidaire or GE washers.
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Post# 35844-2/9/2004-20:01 ||| Petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Vintage Detergent
MESSAGE: Does anyone remember Punch, Drive, or Cold Power - all from the '70s? Punch was a bargain brand that came in a big blue and green box, Drive came in a bright yellow box, and I remember it having a very strong scent. I used to use Axion (detergent booster), but the last time I saw it was about 10 years ago.
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Post# 35845-2/9/2004-21:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Belt Drive)
MESSAGE: I'm not sure if you are talking about a Whirlpool or not, but if you are, if you get a genuine Whirlpool belt, they come in a plastic bag with instruction on how to change the belt. You don't have to loosen the transmission mounting bolts and drop the transmission at all though. If you do drop the transmission , be careful not to loose the little steel ball that fits into a hole in the transmission agitator shaft. If you loose that little steel ball your brake & clutch won't work properly.
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Post# 35846-2/9/2004-21:46 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: When you are talking Maytag top loaders, make sure to specify the now discontinued or at least hard to find "Dependable Care" made by Maytag, or the revised Norge "Performa" series, or the new Amana design "Legacy" series, is what I think they are calling them. The old Maytag was completely "in home" servicable. The Norge & Amana may be more of an "in shop" repair, at least if it is a transmission replacement that is needed.
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Post# 35847-2/9/2004-21:48 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: When you are talking Maytag top loaders, make sure to specify the now discontinued or at least hard to find "Dependable Care" made by Maytag, or the revised Norge "Performa" series, or the new Amana design "Legacy" series, is what I think they are calling them. The old Maytag was completely "in home" servicable. The Norge & Amana may be more of an "in shop" repair, at least if it is a transmission replacement that is needed.
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Post# 35848-2/9/2004-21:55 ||| Petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD YAY!!! (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Jason,
My parents had a Kenmore 800, new in 1971. I was 3 at the time, but a few years later, remembered more about it. It was harvest gold, with a lighted control panel. There were 3 rotary dials to the right, with the cycle knob in the center. The lid opened to the left, and there was a detergent dispenser on the right top side of the cabinet - it would flush with water for about the first 5 minutes of the cycle. The washtub was white, perforated, and the agitator was gold, with 3 ramp vanes (I remember "Super-Roto-Swirl" stamped into the base of it - can't believe I remember these details, I must have been a strange kid. In the left side of the cabinet, just under the lid, was the bleach and fabric softener dispenser, sort of a white plastic triange with two compartments, and a draining hole in the bottom of each. It was a "Suds saver" model. When my Mom chose that cycle, I used to watch the agitator move back and forth, with the tub empty, as used water pumped back into the bottom of the machine from the laundry tub, and filled it up for the next load. Let me know if this is the model you're speaking about. It lasted about 16 years (and two kids) for my parents, before calling it quits.
Petebldg9
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Post# 35849-2/9/2004-22:22 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: 40 years ago today
MESSAGE: Yes Jason. I've been anticipating this very special day for me for months. and when I opened up POD this am, I thought, wow, two of the most important things in my childhood. The Kenmore 800 on the day celebrating 40 years of my boys. Yes, I was around to see all 3 of the ORIGINAL broadcasts. Never missed a Beatles Ed Sullivan appearance.
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Post# 35850-2/9/2004-23:20 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: Thanks, man316dara. I ran into another bummer too: agitator removal. I got the chrome dome top off of it, but oh boy, it won't budge after removing the screw! As for the transmission, kreftgr, mine leaks oil so I guess it needs to come off. So, I'm looking at removing the transmission and re-lubing and re-sealing it. It's definitely not a small project. I don't know how silinoids hold up after all these years either, especially the one on the suds saver its self.
As for the looks of this machine. I have never seen one that looks this nice, with its lighted control panel, its controls, and its overall shape. I mean, if I can't get it to run, it would make one heck of an interesting art piece for the living room!
The Imperial
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Post# 35851-2/10/2004-00:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: I am afraid Maytag has gone sour-their new models are pretty bad according to many complaint websites I have seen.Maytag reputation went down quicky after they acquired Amana,and Magic Chef brands(Magic Chef former Norge)When I read these sites the entries speak of transmission problems with the Atlantus and Performa models,door seal odors ,Circuit board and motor burnouts with the Neptunes. Also the door lock soleniods in the Neptunes failed often leaving the owner with a very went floor.At this point I am buying ONLY VINTAGE machines.I may even "stock up" if necessary.I am sorry if I offend any Maytag fans out there(I really like the Maytag vintage machines)but this is what I saw on the websites.(Epinions,The laundy room-I think it what it was-sort of like this site-and perhaps in the Appliance sandbox)
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Post# 35852-2/10/2004-05:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Detergent
MESSAGE: I remember them well. Punch was not originally a bargain brand. It started life as Colgate's first offering to the enzyme detergent market and was priced accordingly with Fab, Ajax and Cold Power, other Colgate brands. I do remember it was a pretty fine product. Cold Power on the other hand while priced similarly was a less than stellar performer. My mother tried it several times and every time, was not happy with the results. She claimed it just didn't clean or brighten as well as others.
Drive was Lever's first and possibly only enzyme offering. Rinso had color bleach, Silver Dust was blue, Surf at that time was for Cold Water, and All had the 3 B's.
Punch became a price sensitive brand in the mid 70's after all the enzyme and phosphate craziness. At that point the box colors changed and the letters went from black to red.
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Post# 35853-2/10/2004-06:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 40 years ago today
MESSAGE: I have the DVDs of the complete Ed Sullivan Beatles shows. There's 4 of them. There's two of those commercials with the Frigidaires and another one with a belt drive Whirlpool.
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Post# 35854-2/10/2004-06:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD YAY!!! (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: My mom's was a 1970 without suds saver. It looked JUST like the one in yesterday's POD. The inside had a white basket with a black roto-swirl agitator. Some kind of way, my mom had the agitator changed out(?) but I remember seeing the gold one too. My earliest memory of it was when I was a baby. I crawled in the room and saw the light of the control panel. Then when my mom let me stand on a chair to watch it run and the rest is history.
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Post# 35855-2/10/2004-07:02 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: My mom has the last of the old Maytag machines before they bought out Norge, etc. It's the fast agitation model but it's still the old dependable. A few minor repairs like hoses and the plastic drain hose thingy and a modified lid switch :-) and it's still running.
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Post# 35856-2/10/2004-07:32 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 40 years ago today
MESSAGE: And this is even funnier. I was at the gym walking on the treadmill while listening to the Beatles on my iPod and on one of the TV sets they were showing clips of the Beatles playing on Ed Sullivan. Neato.
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Post# 35857-2/10/2004-12:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: applianceville member on TV (Gansky on "
Hey Remember"
)
MESSAGE: Doesn't look like they have him listed in the upcoming shows. I guess we will have to wait and see...
-ph
LINK: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/shows_hhey/0,1804,HGTV_11739,00.html
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Post# 35858-2/10/2004-17:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: applianceville member on TV (Gansky on )
MESSAGE: I emailed the production company today to find out more.
They told me back in November that the "new" season (200 series episode numbers) would start in February '04 and I thought sure laundry would be the season kickoff, but oh well...
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Post# 35859-2/10/2004-17:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (WP/KM Repair Master)
MESSAGE: Do you have one of these yet? The Repair Master series are fantastic references for these vintage machines.
Good luck with your Imperial - sounds great!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3660126307&category=13596
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Post# 35860-2/10/2004-18:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (WP/KM Repair Master)
MESSAGE: where is it that you can get these-sort of like Sams Photofacts for Radios and TV's.It would be nice to have one of these around-I am a WP-KN fan.
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Post# 35861-2/10/2004-18:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?(ge ranges))
MESSAGE: I had what must of been a similar one in the early 90's.Worked pretty well.I had to file and sand the SHARP edges on the bottom of the base agitator vanes because they would snag and tear clothes.When I sold the house I lived in I let the machine go with the house since I had to move to a townhouse that had a compact machine (not enough room for the Maytag)I think those were the last of the good ones.
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Post# 35862-2/10/2004-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD YAY!!! (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: The Ken 800 I have has a Vari-flex agitator.Interesting-and works pretty well.I did do a little test-I "washed" a peice of water resistent poster paper in it with the agitator set at its min setting. The paper was undamaged-I tried it in my Imperial-the paper was shredded.You could say the vari-flex is gentler. I didn't know they used roto-swirls in those-they should fit however.I think I will look for a roto swirl from the used places here to experiment with-those worked well. My grandmothers machine had one and my stepmothers kenmore had one also.
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Post# 35863-2/10/2004-18:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1956 EASY spindrier Need Value
MESSAGE: With the "energy saving" hooplas going on-Iam surprzed these don't make a comeback of sorts. Would be interesting to see how these would perform.
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Post# 35864-2/10/2004-19:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?)
MESSAGE: I have used and owned (breifly) GE machines of the later design.I used some in an apartment house laudramat-and one came with the house I bought as I moved from the townhouse back to NC.When you compare this design to GE's new one-its sad,or even pitiful.The older ones both had the "GE version of a roto-swirl agitator.Seems GE likes to mimic WP-KN agitator styles.Theirs did work well though.Certianly better than their new design -this one is the one that my freind got-and had the "transmission Rupture"That machine had a dual action style agitator-Imitating Kenmore again-I am surprized Kenmore doesn't try to sue GE about this.
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Post# 35865-2/10/2004-19:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (GE DD?)
MESSAGE: I wonder what CU would say about todays new GE designs that have the "dual action" style agitator.And when it does its fatal "transmission Rupture"meaning instant death for the washer and water all over the floor.Their designers like to "plagerize" WP-
kn agitator styles.
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Post# 35866-2/10/2004-19:17 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
members in fresno area,i NEED HELP
MESSAGE: can someone pick up a whirlpool washer for me,am willing to pay for time and shipping efforts,will send the cash a.s.a.p.,e-mail me at man316dara@aol.com
please help!!
rock
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Post# 35867-2/10/2004-20:16 ||| Petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Vintage Detergent (Vintage Detergent)
MESSAGE: You do have a good memory. I was going to mention the red letters on the box of "Punch" (that's how I remember them). I do remember the letters being in all capitals, block style, with an upward angle across the front. It also had a very mild scent, unlike others at the time.
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Post# 35868-2/10/2004-22:17 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (WP/KM Repair Master)
MESSAGE: wish i knew man!!!
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Post# 35869-2/10/2004-22:20 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (WP/KM Repair Master)
MESSAGE: no i don`t,but would love to have one
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Post# 35870-2/10/2004-22:20 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (WP/KM Repair Master)
MESSAGE: no i don`t,but would love to have one
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Post# 35871-2/10/2004-22:24 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: that would be a cool conversation piece,and tranny`s are very easy to come by,just type in your search box,whirlpool parts and a billion places will come up,i have a few if you like some links`s
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Post# 35872-2/10/2004-22:29 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Belt Drive)
MESSAGE: my gram`s house on lincon st. in jersey had one of those tubs,no dought,this would be a hell of a water saver and they give us a washer that spray rinses for energy saving,tell me,how stupid do they think us washer guy`s are,that maching that came out a few years ago was an insult to our intelligents
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Post# 35873-2/10/2004-22:32 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
guy`s,got an imperial on e-bay,won the bidding
MESSAGE: i need to know if someone in the club would help a fellow member in getting his dream machine from the west coast to the east and make a little green in the process
rock
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Post# 35874-2/11/2004-00:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: You may have to drill some very small holes in the top of the agitator(the area under the cap)_and inject something like WD-40 into it and let it sit for awhile.Or the worst-try to locate an extra agitator like the one in your machine and break the stuck one. You then use the extra to replace the old one. The drive spline has corroded and eaten into the plastic of the agitator.In your machine it looks like you definitly have to remove your agitator in order to rebuild-replace the tranny.The soleniod will probably have to be replaced-esp if they are corroded.
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Post# 35875-2/11/2004-00:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Belt Drive)
MESSAGE: It sounds like the solution to all this energy-water usage would be to include the water saver functions in new TL machines.It wouldn't be that expensive to install the laundry tub in places that don't have it.Then us TL folks can still use and get TL machines.The costs would also be cheaper than buying the "tendy" priced FL machines sold today.Maybe the politicians and laundry equipment designers should read this site.Since my present house doesn't have one those sinks and if I get a vintage "suds-saver" unit I will have it pump the water into one of my unused machines.I think I could use that like the sink.And-I think I have seen those tubs at Home DEpot or Lowes.
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Post# 35876-2/11/2004-04:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: There's a tool out there called the "Agi-Tamer",for removing stuck agitators.Basically a rubber inner tube lookig thing,with a water hose connector. It fits under the agitator,and then you start filling it with water.Pushes the agitator up with water pressure.Neat tool.
Maybe check with a repair shop in the area,to see if they have one you could borrow.
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Post# 35877-2/11/2004-04:37 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: The next question will be, where am I gonna find another agitator? I'll probably try the drill and WD-40 first. I got a new plug installed, and fired it up. Needless to say, it ran just fine. It agitated when I set it on "Suds" and it went into spin like it was supposed to when I set the dial accordingly. So, nothing wrong with the electronics and the silinoids are functioning like they're supposed to.
This machine is so nice, I wonder if it would be worth my having a restoration clinic pick the machine up, and then work on it. Having this machine restored to new would be better then getting a new machine any day. I'll spend the extra money if I have to, right down to a complete new premium automotive paint job!
The Imperial
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Post# 35878-2/11/2004-07:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: applianceville member on TV (Gansky on )
MESSAGE: The episode is #203 and will probably be aired mid-late March or early April.
She said it was just finished editing and they will send a tape out about two weeks before it airs on HGTV.
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Post# 35879-2/11/2004-18:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: You can try looking for other agitators at OLD appliance repair shop and Appliance 2nd hand shops. Usually they have several old agitators sitting around. I have done this.Its worh a try. Yes-your vintage machine is LIGHT YEARS better than the junk being built today. It would definely worth repairing and restoring.I wonder if auto body shops could repaint the cabinet? Maybe the folks that reporcelean bathtubs may be able to help with the washtubs.
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Post# 35880-2/11/2004-18:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: That sounds like a handy device-It would be nice to have one of those-Know where to get one?I would think this would be a handy tool for washer fans and collectors.I wonder though-if you could get a small inner tube from a farm supply store and pump it up[ with air pressure?may work as well.
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Post# 35881-2/11/2004-21:29 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: applianceville member on TV (Gansky on )
MESSAGE: That is just great Greg, please keep us posted when you get the final date. I can't wait to see it!!
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Post# 35882-2/11/2004-21:32 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: applianceville member on TV (Gansky on )
MESSAGE: That is just great Greg, please let us know when you get a final date. I can't wait to see it.
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Post# 35883-2/11/2004-23:26 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: Agi-tamers work very well. I can't remember ever having an agitator that I couldn't get off using one. I have had them wear out & split on me but not after getting good service out of them. Some times the biggest problem is slipping it between the spin basket & the agitator, but a little liquid soap, Windex or 409 will help with that. You should be able to pick them up at most appliance parts houses. They are a little pricey, I think my last one was about $45.00 but it can sure save agitators and your temper.
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Post# 35884-2/12/2004-00:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: the $45 sounds reasonable since it can save agitators that can cost up to $75-the dual action jobs or priceless ones that you can't get anymore on some SRVAA members rebuilding-restoration jobs.The price can save one agitator its worth it -would like to get one-I am in the process of trying to free a stuck agitator!!-My Kenmore 800.I just want to get it free so as to make future replacement easier(if required) and to use the washer to experiment with other types of KN agitators.Right now I am stuck with the poor little WD-40 into the agitator bolt hole and wait.
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Post# 35885-2/12/2004-07:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: I think a couple of the guys have tried these on restore projects and have experienced broken agitators - especially old bakelite ones.
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Post# 35886-2/12/2004-09:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: Yes, I tried and it works ok on plastic agitators but not bakelite agitators. It shattered a Maytag agitator into a thousand pieces.
Try hitting around the bottom base of the stuck agitator with a rubber mallot, go all the way around the base. Also grab onto the base and get a slight rocking motion going, one of those two procedures usually will free the agitator.
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Post# 35887-2/12/2004-18:34 ||| Heathere41 (Portland, OR)
SUBJECT:
Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Hi all, I am wondering if anyone can help me? I am working on a commercial re: the history of laundry. We would like to show photos of vintage machines, two of them that we are interested in, none of us can seem to find much information on. They are:
AEG Lavalux
Keymatic from Britain
I would love info on is there a company I need to contact to get rights to use photos, etc. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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Post# 35888-2/12/2004-18:56 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Hi Heather
I have some literature on the keymatic - sales brochure, two slightly different owners manuals. I also own one Keymatic machine in unrestored condition. (not working)Please leave your contact details, or email me direct - my email address is in the profiles section.
Chris
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Post# 35889-2/12/2004-19:15 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: The chrome agitator cap, and the bolt were both easy to remove. I tried rocking the bottom of the agitator, but to no avail. I took a peace of rubber, placed it at the top of the agitator, and struck it with a hammer hoping that it would jar something loose. That wouldn't work either.
I will get some WD-40, and soak that in the top bolt portion of the agitor for several days, and see how well that does. Let us cross our fingers, hope, and pray that the Good Lord of the Washing Machines shall bestow his blessings upon us!
The Imperial
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Post# 35890-2/12/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: Thats a very good point-You have to make sure your agitator is not made of bakelite.If you have a bakelite one-I would try to hunt the old parts places and appliance repair shops(very old ancient ones)to get an extra one in case the bakelite one breaks.I would assume the agitamer would be OK to use on metal agitators.So far I have tried the hitting and tapping methods and the WD40.Mine been soaking a couple days. May have to see if a parts shop has an agitamer. I found their website-They show the device and how to use it-but the "where to get it" part didn't work.The hose on the one they show in their website picture looks like a hose you connect to compressed air instaed of water.The fitting on its hose looked like airhose fittings.The directions they had said it ran from water pressure.
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Post# 35891-2/12/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: It looks like you end up having to try to find a replacement agitator before you try to pull the old one in case it breaks.I defintely could see this as a problem with the bakelite agitators. I haven't gotten any machines yet that use those but for me the day could be coming.As I put in another entry -I would assume the agitamer would be OK to use with metal agitaters.
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Post# 35892-2/12/2004-23:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: Wouldn't hitting the bottom of a bakelite one crack or break it?-with the rubber mallet?It sound like bakelite agitators cannot take any "violence" to remove them.
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Post# 35893-2/12/2004-23:34 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet
MESSAGE: lbcarguy here,
Just wanted to say a big public THANK YOU to Filter Flo (Jimmy) for delivering my new GE V14 matched set all the way from Ohio to Long Beach CA.
Rich (golittlesport) came by for the festivities. Nam did a mini wash in the last of the breed, a 94 model GE, and then we went inside for a great dinner. Jimmy went all out and had the restored Wedgewood-Holly going full tilt, note the baked apples. Rich also posed with my GE Americana, including automatic fill ice tray in the roll to you freezer. We all had a great visit and Jimmy took home so very cool treasures from So Cal. Pictures are posted at the link provided. Enjoy!
BTW: We are building a new garage soon and the laundry area will be plumbed/wired for 3 pairs. Still looking for the elusive GE 1050X (1961 filter flo).
Mike
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/fwdlbcarguy
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Post# 35894-2/12/2004-23:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet
MESSAGE: Was the year 1994 the last year GE built the Mini-basket washers? My mother had one in a house she bought in 1969-lived in the house until 1975. I used the GE washer when I lved with her for awhile. We all thought the minibasket was handy. Her washer had an agitator with staight vanes.It was provided by the homebuilder-Levitt.When you bought a house from them you could choose from a few "appliance packages"I beleive Whirpool and Westinghouse were available.She chose the GE package.I have used the GE-Hotpoint washers that had the ramp vane agitators(looks like a roto-swirl)but didn't have the lint dish that rode on top of the agitator. The lint filter was on the edge of the tub.Very nice range and 'fridge.I could practically smell the baked apples in the picture!
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Post# 35895-2/13/2004-02:08 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: Of course, the real question is, when did Whirlpool stop producing machines with bakelite agitators? Did they have plastic agitators back in 1959? What color were the bakelites? Mine is black, and seems to have a slight amount of flex. I think I'll just let the WD-40 do its work. If it gets bad enough, I may tap/drill the top and put WD-40 down that possibly.
The Imperial
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Post# 35896-2/13/2004-08:55 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Dryer
MESSAGE: This unit is on ebay and a friend of mine had the washer but not the dryer. I never saw the agitator because I only lifted the lid once and it look like it was a white variflex agitator from what I can remember. I wished that I could have seen the base of the agitator and tell you if it so! All that I can remember is that the top part had mini ribs about 1/8-1/4 inch apart around the shaft (very fine lines), but for the base, I did not see because it was covered with clothes before I got caught by best friends mother! "who told you to look inside my machine?"
I got busted!
It was a nice lighted control panel with that famous large plastic timer control dial!
Also, they have a nice stove that they are selling too, Check it out!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42232&item=3274194545
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Post# 35897-2/13/2004-09:09 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Home from Trip Out West............
MESSAGE: Returned home from my long trip to AZ and Calif. Brought a vanload of items home. Am unloading the van today and will post pics.....MANY MANY thanks to my good friend Mike (lbcarguy) for letting me stay with him while in Long Beach. Rich (golittlesport) came up to visit us and to see Mikes wonderful GE appliances and jukeboxes. Also many thanks to Gary Ball in Santa Ana for the wonderful GE Wall Refrigerator, Frigidaire 1960 Dishmobile and 1959 Frigidaire fold down cooktop that he graciously stored for me until I could get there in person. Its so hard to try and ship a wall refrigerator home! Also met with Dick Stepehenson in the Palm Springs area. Got his 1960 Kenmore rebuilt and running with a new clutch, tranny,tub, and motor. It was so quiet you could hardly hear it run!. We also went appliance shopping and found a couple of gems........pics to follow soon.....And yes, I did buy another car. I know I didnt need another car, but then, I didnt need another wall refrigerator or dishwasher either and I got them too! ha, Car is a 1966 Imperial Crown Coupe, in yellow, have to fly back in a month and drive it home...... maybe more appliances to be found then? Also stopped and saw Marty at Appliance Express in Glendale AZ again, bought a 1959?GE Clothes Conditioning Dryer from him.....along with a host of other parts, he let me sort thru his attic and shop.....finally found a Mini Basket for my 1966 GE washer....Yeah!
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Post# 35898-2/13/2004-09:13 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
bakelite agitators
MESSAGE: What is the difference between plastic and bakelite?
Is bakelite a plastic that is not as flexible?
Thanks
Pat
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Post# 35899-2/13/2004-09:54 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home from Trip Out West............ (Stop in Phoenix)
MESSAGE: Don't forget about me here in west Phoenix!
When you were here, did you visit the used appliance place in Glendale at 75th & Grand Avenue? That's where I recently found my '64 Kenmore set.
Sounds like you found lots of treasures on your trip. Can't wait to hear about them.
Next time you're travelling thru here, look me up!
Happy Hunting!
Todd
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Post# 35900-2/13/2004-09:58 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet (Southwestern Friend)
MESSAGE: Don't forget about us over here in Arizona! I would have loved to come to your mini wash meet. I'm only about 5-6 hours away over here in sunny Phoenix.
My collection is steadily growing and I hope to host a desert wash-in some time soon. I'll keep you posted!
You're all welcome to come by and see my collection. I'm in the process of installing plumbing in the garage to run three machines at a time (in addition to the set that is in the laundry room).
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Post# 35901-2/13/2004-10:06 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: (End of mini wash)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Thanks for the compliments on my kitchen.
I grew up using a 1961(?) 1050X filter flo. We unfortunately gave that machine in working condition away when we moved in 1980. To me, GE was the one to have.
I bought my "new" GE set in March of 1994. I am 98% sure that the following models were a new design without filter-flo or the mini basket. I am so glad that I have them. They have worked without a service need for ten years. I lucked out and bought the top of the line washer even though I could only afford the next to the top. When the sears truck pulled up to the house, they brought in a stove, refrigerator and a dryer but no washer. The washer was out of stock (sold out since there was a model change). I went to the sears location I bought them at and expressed some displeasure in the whole thing. Well, they had the top of the line model on the sales floor with a close out price, still about $75 higher than the one I paid for already. I offered them $20 more than what I paid and the guy replies, if you take it right now. I said, "SOLD". The loading dock guy moved it from the sales floor to the loading dock where I parked my 1970 country squire. His eyes got big and I said, it will fit, just lay it on its back. We pushed it in and I drove home with a great bargain. BTW, the dryer (gas) has worked flawlessly also. This is a testament to that original design and the folks at GE could do well to take a trip back in time and produce some quality stuff again.
I should try to hunt some vintage ads for these machines. Off to ebay...
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Post# 35902-2/13/2004-12:26 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet (Southwestern Friend)
MESSAGE: Hi Todd,
Yes I stopped at the appliance shop in Glendale, that is where Marty is and the name of his place is Appliance Express. I saw the coppertone Sears set when I was there, and I was so glad to hear that you bought them. They are in excellent shape and stunning. And a good price and they worked. Marty always remembers me and lets me go thru his yard and shop when I am in town. Next time I visit, I will let you know in advance so that we can meet and talk washers.
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Post# 35903-2/13/2004-12:56 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Dryer (1971 Lady Kenmore Dryer...... (CleanteamofNY))
MESSAGE: I saw the dryer you was talking about on "ebay". Nice dryer for it to be just 33 years old. It's a good thing that THAT one appears to be in great shape and is working. I say this because I just happen to see a "tawney gold" one (and it too appear to be a Lady Kenmore Dryer as well) sitting outside in the trash two days ago, with the bottom panel removed and sitting on top of the dryer's cabinet. I took a look at it from a distance while I was going to work the other day, and from the appearance of it, it appeared to be a 1974-75 model (the one I saw had a different timer with script markings on it). So, the one that I just seen on "ebay" appears to be in great shape, and looks like it is in working condition.
So......... is anyone here at "ebay" is going to get a shot at that one????
If you already got the washer, are you going to take a shot at getting that dryer????
--Charles--
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Post# 35904-2/13/2004-14:31 ||| localrescue (apple valley, ca)
SUBJECT:
Easy Spindrier on ebay
MESSAGE: Hi- I got a wide range of values for this machine so we just put it on ebay to see really what it is worth to someone. If you are interested the link is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274308288&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1
Thanks for all your help.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274308288&ssPageName=ADME:B:LC:US:1
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Post# 35905-2/13/2004-15:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: The trick is not to hit it too hard, just enough to jar and vibrate it a bit.
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Post# 35906-2/13/2004-16:19 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
American Kitchens Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi Guys I just went to pick up this cool machine. that I found in the classifieds on this site. the woman that I got it from said that she got it from a guy who had a hardware store in the 50's. he had this in his garage for 50 years and sold it to her. he also included the sales info provided to him from American Kitchens for news paper ads and also the scripts for 60' 30' and 15 sec. radio spots. Also there were some sales folders and a poster comparing the American Kitchens Dishwasher with other brands. This dishwasher has never been hooked up. I did have to replace the timer motor, I have found this to be a common problem with the old dishwashers that i have gotten weather they are used or not.
Hope You Enjoy the Pics
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/album?.dir=/a8fe&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/my_photos
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Post# 35907-2/13/2004-16:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Here's the link to my Yahoo photo album. In the "1950's brochures" album there is a picture of the AEG Lavalux. In the album called "Hoover Keymatic" you can find a few pictures of my Hoover Keymatic and also a scanned manual. Unfortunately Yahoo has screwed up my Premium membership. Although I have payed for the service the pictures can't be downloaded full size anymore.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/foraloysius
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Post# 35908-2/13/2004-19:04 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher
MESSAGE: John, what an incredible machine. Wi would love to see you take some pics of a couple of loads of stuff in there. Always love3d the POD of this machine when it shows up with the rotorack. Thanks for sharing.
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Post# 35909-2/13/2004-20:23 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: bakelite agitators
MESSAGE: Bakelite is not very flexible at all. It's quite strong, but will shatter if smacked or dropped. It is a thermoplastic and came in 2 colors brown and black, sometimes with swirls in it.
Antique dealers often refer to colorful Catalin as Bakelite, but they are quite different.
Bakelite can stand lots of heat. I believe GE used it for a while on stove burner connector blocks.
Many radios were made of bakelite in the 1930s and 40s. Here's one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2223949260
Ken D.
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Post# 35910-2/13/2004-21:23 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Speed Queen
MESSAGE: This is a brand that seems to have disappeared. My earliest memories of it are in the '70s, at a laundromat in upper Michigan. The machines had small tubs, about 14 lb. capacity, made of non-perforated stainless steel. I couldn't figure out why washers like this were built with non-perforated tubs in the first place, though I understood that centrifugal force during the spin would drain the tub. All other washers at the time had perforated tubs. Does anyone know? The agitators were very simple, gray plastic, consisting of three straight vanes, with a metal cap.
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Post# 35911-2/13/2004-23:00 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen
MESSAGE: If I am correct, Speed Queen was purchased by Amana sometime in the 90s, along with the old Caloric stove company. Actually it may have been in the 80s. Amanas name was on familiar looking appliances including the Speed Queen wringer type washer (stainless tub) and the automatic washers and dryers. One thing I noticed about the Amanas was the stainless steel tubs, although by this time they were perforated. Basically the Amana name was placed on these machines, while the speed queen name was gradually being phased out. I saw a CR magazine with a tested SQ washernot too many years ago. Possibly the name still appears, but I havent seen any lately. Amana is now owned by Maytag and the Maytag "Legacy" series of machines seems to by the last tie to the Speed Queen line, much like Performa and Admiral are what's left of the Norge line. Corporations gobble each other up too fast these days. But this is all to the best of my knowledge. I read and enjoy the email here daily but seldom ever respond unless it's really something I know about
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Post# 35912-2/14/2004-02:47 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen (SPEED QUEEN)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen was originaly owned by McGraw Edison electronics until about 1976 when they were sold to Raytheon who also owned Amana,Caloric and Modern Maid appliances.The Modern Maid brand and most of their products(they were famous for the "range that washes dishes"a 30 inch range with a dishwasher under the cooktop that looked like a double oven range but instead of a lower oven there was a dishwasher)except their gas ranges and downdraft cooktops and wall ovens were dropped and in 1996,Goodman, a large manufacturer of air conditioning equipment bought all the appliance divisions of Raytheon but left the Speed Queen Company on the table.After Raytheon had purchased Speed Queen,they had already begun to make Amana washers and dryers in the same Rapon,WI. plant and because the Amana name was already well established in mostly refrigeraters,microwave ovens,smoothtop ranges and food freezers,they didn't want to "rock the boat".Now the washer dryer,laundry plants in Rapon make washers and dryers for Amana as well as Maytag,their current owner who bought them just two years ago,and Allied Appliance owners of Speed Queen and Huebsch (pronounced hebsh)commercial laundry equipment even though they (Maytag)and Allied are not connected.
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Post# 35913-2/14/2004-05:17 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen (SPEED QUEEN)
MESSAGE: Actually, I don't think Amana laundry equipment is made in Ripon Wisconsin any longer and has not been for some time. Amana had built a large manufacturing plant in Searcy, Arkansas and that is where they make Amana branded laundry as well as some of the Maytag line - the SAV series of washers and dryers
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Post# 35914-2/14/2004-06:59 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: bakelite agitators
MESSAGE: If bakelite can take lots of heat, would it help to pour boiling water over the top of the agitator to try to loosen it? If you could get the top quite warm (right through to the drive block or spline) it might ease up a bit.
I have NOT tried this, it is only a suggestion. Proceed at own risk...
Chris.
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Post# 35915-2/14/2004-09:30 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
Mini Wash/SouthWest trip
MESSAGE: Hi Filter Flo (Jimmy),
So glad to hear you had time for more shopping on the return trip home. Can't wait for you to post of some of your finds. I know they will cause quite a stir. Your happy new V14 owner,
MK
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Post# 35916-2/14/2004-10:02 ||| JAKINS (Kissimmee, Fl.)
SUBJECT:
RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher (Operating Instructions)
MESSAGE: Hi All
Just added the owner's manual to the link
John
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/album?.dir=/a8fe&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jakins2001/my_photos
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Post# 35917-2/14/2004-10:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen (SPEED QUEEN)
MESSAGE: Actually, Barlow and Seelig Corp. owned the Speed Queen name and factories until the mid 50's when it became a division of McGraw Edison and then owned by Raytheon, etc. Now the Speed Queen name is part of Alliance Laundry Systems and marketed almost entirely for the commercial market. Sometime in the 90's Amana's design strayed from Speed Queen's original perforated tub design introduced 1980-81 (the last solid-tub washing machine was now gone) to include a larger tub and opening, faster spins, etc.
PeterH can probably fill us in a little more on the Amana/Speed Queen-Alliance split - in the Sandbox for the new discussion. Maytag continues to use much of the Amana framework although the mechanics and internal workings have been reworked with Maytag/Norge designs. The Amana name has all but disappeared around here - another one bites the dust.
LINK: http://www.comlaundry.com/
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Post# 35918-2/14/2004-10:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: bakelite agitators
MESSAGE: This has worked for me a few times - I just use very hot water from the house supply though.
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Post# 35919-2/14/2004-12:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher
MESSAGE: This is a wonderful find - and never used! What do you think of the performance?
Thanks for sharing your new D&M made beauty with us!
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Post# 35920-2/14/2004-12:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting the pics - it was good to see everyone having a great time with all of your beautiful appliances. That refrigerator is really something, I saw one of these at Jimmy's for the first time last fall. Enjoy your GE V14 set, I saw these at Jimmy's as well and they are wonderful machines - and both working!
Did you do the restoration work on the Western Holly range and the Americana? They are stunning!
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Post# 35921-2/14/2004-12:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Home from Trip Out West............
MESSAGE: Wow - what a bounty of things you've found - again! Can't wait to hear more about them all, the car sounds fabulous!
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Post# 35922-2/14/2004-12:36 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT:
speed queens
MESSAGE: I remember my mom going to the coin laundry for the first time in my life and using speed queens. She didn't like them, the clothes didn't come clean she said (actually I think it was a hard water problem), so when we went for our first washer, she bought an easy made westinhouse top loader. It was the first word in crappiness. When I was in the service, we had some speed queens in our barracks. I liked them, especially since my Mom didn't, but were really pretty good machines. The tubs weren't perforated and I believe they had an overflow rinse(?), but I enjoyed them. Wish they were still around. Were stainless steel baskets. This was in the mid 70's. Washed my clothes well. So many good machines have left the market due to corporate changes. Might have to go back to wringers and scrub boards
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Post# 35923-2/14/2004-14:14 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet (SoCal Mini Wash)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Thanks for the compliments. Yes, I did the restoration on the stove. Ironically, I had been hunting a stove all day with a couple of friends up in the appliance district in South LA. Most were from the late 40s-early 50s. I wanted one from the late 50s. This one was in the front yard of an old couple's home about a mile from my house and we saw it on the way back from stove hunting. It had a sign on it for $20. We swapped cars for their truck and brought it home. 3 weeks later it was restored and in my kitchen. It works great, though I still need to do the clock/timer and the rotisserie motor is now bad.
The American fridge was a find through Jimmy. A mutual friend called him about it and being located in San Diego, Jimmy called me. My partner and I went down to get it from the rescue mission thrift store. I cleaned it up, remodeled the space in the kitchen so it would fit and put it in the kitchen. Jimmy helped me change the ice fill solenoid and I have replaced the freezer fan. It is nice and quiet and really sets off people when they see it. Most are not even sure what it is at first.
We are building a new garage with a large laundry area. I will have hookups for 3 pair of machines. We break ground hopefully in April.
Keep you posted once we have it all up and running.
Mike
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Post# 35924-2/14/2004-15:34 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
1960 Kenmore Dryer
MESSAGE: I have a 1960 Kenmore Dryer that I need to get rid of to make room for other items. It is free and I can hold it for up to two, possible three more weeks; otherwise its going to the dump. It works great, might need a new timer but not sure, did not leave it running long enough to tell. It has some minor scuffs and scratches on the cabinet. The console is near mint. I can email a photo of the top/console (only photo I have) if interested. My email is gregm978@aol.com; thanks...
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Post# 35925-2/14/2004-16:20 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Kenmore Dryer (1960 KENMORE DRYER)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
I would LOVE to get that Kenmore dryer from you.I live in Plymouth
Mass. so I would have to pick it up on a sunday or sat afternoon. I know you had it on ebay, and I was going to bid on it but with all the snow we had, I was not able to get it into my cellar. Email me with your address. I would gladly give you $50.00 cash for it.
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Post# 35926-2/14/2004-16:55 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: The one we have has a plastic tube,like the one that runs from the tub to the water level pressure switch.Then it has a regular male hose end on it,so you could hook up a washer hose to it,and use it in the customers home.Sometimes when using it on a really stuck plastic agitator,you can see the agitator flexing considerably.I wouldn't use it on Bakelite,or similar.
Also,try soaking with something like PB Blaster,instead of WD 40. Much better penetrant,IMHO.
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Post# 35927-2/14/2004-16:58 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Just picked up a Philco-Ford...
MESSAGE: ...30" electric range.In lovely avocado green.Looks to be early 70's vintage.Pretty decent shape,haven't plugged it in to see if it works yet.
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Post# 35928-2/14/2004-21:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clothes Washer definition of a 12 lbs. load... Go figure? (sponges in dishwasher)
MESSAGE: I've read in several places recommendations of putting dish towels/sponges in dishwasher. Much hotter water and stronger detergent in a dishwasher than in a clothes washer.
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Post# 35929-2/14/2004-21:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal on belt drive)
MESSAGE: Squirt a little WD-40 on the agitator wher it attached to the shaft. Those agitators are either splined diretly onto the agitator shaft, or fit onto a 4 sided block that is splined onto the agitator shaft. They make an inflatable ring that you can put under the skirt of the agitator that then forces the agitator off the splines.
solenoids rarely fail, much more likely that the mechanism that the solenoid activates fails rather than the solenoid itself.
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Post# 35930-2/14/2004-22:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (WP/KM suing GE)
MESSAGE: I suspect the patent on the "Dual Action" agitator ran out, or they're licensing the technology, since almost everybody's TL machines seem to have it now.
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Post# 35931-2/14/2004-22:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (WP/KM Repair Master manuals)
MESSAGE: Check good old E-Bay
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Post# 35932-2/14/2004-22:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (agitator availability)
MESSAGE: Used agitators are a dime a dozen, and they actually still sell them as a new part, if you ahve Big Bucks
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Post# 35933-2/14/2004-22:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (painting & rusty inner tub)
MESSAGE: The paint on the cabinet is just baked enamel, they sell those colors in spray cans at appliance parts places.
As for the outer tubs, again, you can either look for good used ones, or pony up and buy them new, still available as new parts.
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Post# 35934-2/15/2004-00:17 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE:
MESSAGE: Thanks Ken for the info.
God Bless
Pat
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Post# 35935-2/15/2004-01:53 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (painting & rusty inner tub)
MESSAGE: You mean to say, that a new tub for a '59 Whirlpool Imperial, as well as a new black bakelite agitator complete with a chrome agitator cap is actually available? New old stock? Do you have a source? I would have to see it to believe it. But, if I can get ahold of the goodies and make my machine like new, then why not?
The Imperial
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Post# 35936-2/15/2004-01:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet (soCal washer meet)
MESSAGE: I would've loved to have seen that, I'm only 30 minutes from Long Beach (suburb of L.A.)
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Post# 35937-2/15/2004-02:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (painting & rusty inner tub)
MESSAGE: CAn't say for sure, but they used that tub in WP & I imagine KM for quite a while, so it would be worth it to see if it's still available.
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Post# 35938-2/15/2004-04:11 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet (soCal washer meet)
MESSAGE: Hey Mike, Your refrig. pics are great, and the model demonastrating it (Rich golittlesport) looks like a professional refrigerator spokesperson! In fact, your whole kitchen is wonderfully retro. Im surprised the pics you posted didnt get more of a response........
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Post# 35939-2/15/2004-07:12 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (painting & rusty inner tub)
MESSAGE: I would be REALLY surprised if the outer tub and agitator are available as new parts for a 1959 model.
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Post# 35940-2/15/2004-09:47 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet (soCal washer meet)
MESSAGE: Hi,
We will have another when my new laundry room is done (July or so). You can email me at lbcarguy@charter.net to chat about our collections, etc.
Mike
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Post# 35941-2/15/2004-17:07 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Just picked up a Philco-Ford... (pics ??)
MESSAGE: my folks had avocado green Philco FORD kitchen appliances from '68 or '69 thru '85 .......... I would love to see a pic of your stove. Does the top lift up and its smooth stainless steel underneath ?? No drip pans ?? Best of luck with it.
-gregm
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Post# 35942-2/15/2004-19:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Abandoned WP dishwasher
MESSAGE: I also posted this in the Sandbox, but not everybody posts in both places, so I thought I'd post it here, too.
Allright, historians, I need some facts and opnions here :-)
A friend of mine saw an abandoned Whirlpool dishwasher at the curb and picked it up for me since he knew my '78 Kenmore was ailing.
It seems to be a victim of "re-modeling" since I hooked it up and and it works perfectly, only problem is that the racks are developing rust spots and have already lost a couple of tines, but that can be cured with some vinyl rack touchup. Has a custom cabinet front on the door and toe panel, apparently to match the cabinets of wherever it was originally installed and though it doesn't match our cabinets at all, it looks so good, I'm going to just leave it that way rather than convert it to a regular Almond door panels to match the range & refrigerator.
It appears to be a TOL (electronic) model, DU9400XT-1
serial #FP15 16067
Can anybody say what year this is and have any opinions as to how well this series worked? Interesting it that it seems to be a "cross-over" model in that the inside of the door is plastic, but the main shell is still porcelain on steel.
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Post# 35943-2/15/2004-19:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (outer tub and agitator availability)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't be surprised, remember, like automobiles, the basic guts remain the same for quite a few years, so I imagine WP was still using those parts into at least the 60's, if not even later.
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Post# 35944-2/15/2004-19:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens
MESSAGE: I used Speed Queens in the laundramat in the apartment house I used to live in.When I first moved there they had the Speed Queens-this would have been in 1973.I can remember these had a deep rinse cycle-The top of the agitator barely visible above the water.When the washer went to rinse mode-It would start agitating when it was about 3/4 filled-then it would keep filling until the cap of the agitator was protruding from the water.It would agitate another minute or so-then SPIN-and that water was gone!!It always intregued me.The washers and dryers had blue cases.They cost about 75cents to run.The washers also had a "gentle" cycle.Then these were replaced by Whirlpools in the late 70's-probably another laundry company.Then in the early 80's were replaced with -Speed Queens.The newer ones were disappointing.Speed Queen was owned by Ratheon-Amana at that time. The older ones were from Mc-Graw Edison.They also made some small applainces.
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Post# 35945-2/15/2004-19:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher
MESSAGE: Great find-Its amazing what you can find -"monday morning" curb shopping.I would think the front panels were replaceable.May you could get different ones from a WP dealer.You might be able to find different colored panels behind the one thats there.Sometimes extra front covers are hidden behind the one thats there.So far-the dishwashers I have found on the curb are "dead" usually the pumps dead or the tank sump eaten out.I am hoping to find a real Kitchen Aid"(Hobart) on the curb in my neighborhood-most of the houses in my neighborhood have Hobart Kichenaids put in when the houses were built.You might be able to find new racks as well.
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Post# 35946-2/15/2004-19:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (outer tub and agitator availability)
MESSAGE: You could probably get a new agitator for the older WP machine-but it is not going to be made of bakelite-They quit making bakelite agitators a few decades ago.I would think outer tanks are still available-but very expensive.It would be worth it though.
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Post# 35947-2/15/2004-19:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (painting & rusty inner tub)
MESSAGE: I think the spray cans of paint are sold for "touch-up" purposes-not for repainting the whole cabinet.Usually auto body shops(large well equipped ones) have the painting equipment and "kilns to bake the paint after its applied.Their kilns are large enough of course to hold a car body-a washer cabinet should be no problem.
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Post# 35948-2/15/2004-19:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (agitator availability)
MESSAGE: When I have bought the "used" ones at the 2nd hand appliance places they cost $2-10 dollars each. New they about $40-75 each.Again -if you got a new agitator for a real old machine-its probably going to be made of the polypropylene plastic instead of bakelite.Bakelite was discontinued years ago.Its cheaper and easier for the parts manufacutuer to make the agitators out of the modern plastic than the bakelite.The maker can just set up an automatic injection molder to make the agitators-from an unattened molder machine-The operator(molder) at the parts factory may be tending several to a dozen molding machines.He fills them with plastic pellets when the hopper gets low.
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Post# 35949-2/15/2004-19:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top-load washers were better in the '70s (WP/KM suing GE)
MESSAGE: Thats what I would imagine-the patents ran out.So now everbody can make it.Like what happened to the "Fantom" bagless vac and the Compact-Tri-Star vertical bag canister vac design.
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Post# 35950-2/15/2004-20:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: I used the WD-40 that whats most common around here. I tried calling the one and only appliance parts supplier here-they said they used to carry the agitamer.The don't have itr anymore.They don't know who carries it now for my area.Thats good it can use standard water presssure.then I don't need to get an aircompresser or pump.The polypropylene plastic used in most agitators today is very strong and more flexible then bakelite-esp old bakelite.I may have to try to order an agitamer direct from them thru there website.Meanwhile the stuck agitator still soaks with WD-40.
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Post# 35951-2/15/2004-20:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: bakelite agitators
MESSAGE: Sounds like a very method to try and not as violent as the agitamer.
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Post# 35952-2/15/2004-20:11 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens (laundrimat speed queens)
MESSAGE: God I miss those old SQ machines-they were quite good at cleaning laundry. Yes I now remember the deep rinse, originally I called it overflow. Well 30 years ago is getting tough to remember for me. But they were great machines like the GM Frigidaires were. And the old filter-flo GE's. And the AMC Kelvinators, Oh God I could go on all night. I think the foreign competition and the new energy efficient mandates by the government is ruining laundering as we know it.
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Post# 35953-2/15/2004-20:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: bakelite agitators
MESSAGE: Bakelite is considered to be a Thermoset type plastic.In its raw form it looks sort of like clay-then formed into a mold(agitator) and baked in an oven or kiln to harden it.It is still used for some electrical applications-circuit breaker cases-becuase it resists electric arcs well and heat.It cannot be used in modern Injection molder machines prevelant today.Thats why its been dropped in many applications.The bakelites main advantage is that it doesn't soften when hot like other plastics do.
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Post# 35954-2/15/2004-21:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens (laundrimat speed queens)
MESSAGE: Again my feeling is get the government out of the laundry room!! I think many of the water-energy savings aren't necessary.These are applicable to certain markets but not everyone.These mandates should be thrown out.The energy efficeicy of the machine depends more on its user.For me the energy effiecient machine would never pay for itself.Esp at how long the design standards for new machines are-5 years--A rip off. Get the vintage ones.-like what you mentioned-I have seen and used the GE Filter-flo machines-very nice-too bad they trashed such a GOOD design.I haven't used the Kelvinater type machines. I used the Frigidaire once-my brother had one years ago.It tangled clothes but washed well.The machine sure shook the trailer home it was in during agitate or spin cycles.I replaced the timer in it.
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Post# 35955-2/15/2004-21:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: bakelite agitators
MESSAGE: Bakelite is one of the early plastics-It is a Thermoset type resin.In its raw form it sort of resembles damp clay. It is placed or pressed into a mold then baked in a kiln or oven to "set" it.It is a brittle but strong plastic-keeps its strength even when hot.Thermoplastics(most used today) lose strength when they get to hot-the temp they soften at.Modern washer agitators are made from Polypropylene plastic-a thermoplastic. It is molded when hot and injected into a mold as a liquid under heat and pressure.Then cold water is passed over the mold to cool it and relase it from the mold.This type of molding process can be automated.The person(molder in the trade) tends many machines at the factory.He just makes sure of the quality of the product the machines are makingand fills the machinews hoppers with raw resin(plastic pellets) as they need it.
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Post# 35956-2/15/2004-21:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (Agitator removal (caveat on the agitamer))
MESSAGE: Bakelite is usually black in color.I beleive in or around 1959 is when modern plastic agitators were being introduced.I you end up with a new replacement for your machine it will be a modrn plastic one.(if you have to buy a new one)
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Post# 35957-2/15/2004-22:02 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (rusty racks on WP)
MESSAGE: Funny you should mention rusty racks in dishwasher. Mine look pretty bad. Where do you get this vinyl touch up? I think the machines got some life left, but the racks look really bad and are making the tank stained as well. This is a 90 model WP, still washes good, hate to throw it out. Either the racks were badly coated in that era or my water is ridiculously corrosive.
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Post# 35958-2/15/2004-22:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (rusty racks on WP)
MESSAGE: How old is this machine?If it is really old-yes hard water mixed with the dishwasher detergent takes its toll on the wire dishwasher shelves. Once there is a tiny pinhole in the plastic coating-it just gets worse from there.I would say scrounge around for another set of racks-maybe second hand appliance places,or see if a parts store or could order new ones-may be worth it.I think its due to age and heavy use.Dishwasher detergents are the more caustic that is used in the home.Has many alkali chemicals that are corrosive(thats why they dissolve food remains)If it could help-the vinyl touch up should be available from appliance parts stores.
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Post# 35959-2/15/2004-22:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens (laundrimat speed queens)
MESSAGE: Another thing good about the overflow rinses-lint and scum were floated away.I think early solid tub machines used it-like Speed queens,Norge,and even GE.
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Post# 35960-2/15/2004-23:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Looked thru your photo album-very interesting.Seems like the laundry spinners are quite popular in your literature. Wish we had them here-Could save "energy" by not heating the clothes so long in a dryer.The Starmix food processors -mixer,blenders look quite interesting.I found the newer looking one on their website-they also have a site for large commercial mixers.I have a cookbook that dates to the early 80's that has recipes for the Kitchenaid mixer,Cuisinart food processor,and then the Starmix processer.Don't know who carried them here(US)Sounds like it could be a helpful machine.I use an AEG transmitter at the SW transmitter site where I work.It needed major repairs-A new rect transformer.Was installed in 1985. I worked at a construction tool and material supplier that sold AEG power tools-they made a very nice rotary hammerdrill,a recip saw,circular saw and a jigsaw.They were all so precisely built and ran smoothly.I reapired the AEG tools as well.Were straightforward to work on.
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Post# 35961-2/16/2004-02:09 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Thank you. I had a look at the Starmix website (www.starmix.de) and didn't see the foodprocessors there. And I couldn't find the site with the commercial mixers either. Could you give me the links please?
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Post# 35962-2/16/2004-08:41 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher
MESSAGE: I believe your dishwasher is a 1988 model. The "FP15" I think is really F815. Indicating a build date of the 15th week of 1988. The plastic inner door panel was used from 1975 or 76 until 1990. At that time the entire tub became polypropylene as well.
You'll notice there are separate wash arms for each rack and the pump is the power-clean style with the soft food chopper. The machine cleans well and was water efficient at the time. The Normal cycle has 4 fills of 2.2 gallons. You can add boosted 145f wash & rinse with the high-temp option. Low energy is a 3 fill cycle and Heavy is 5 fill cycle with lower and higher water and energy use respectively.
Rack repair kits, vinyl tine tips and brush on coatings are available from appliance parts supply houses. Have fun, you should be happy with this freebie!
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Post# 35963-2/16/2004-11:32 ||| Caiquer (NC)
SUBJECT:
Need Help!!!
MESSAGE: Looking for parts, thermostat/cold control sensor for 1948 GE refrigerator, or restoration links, parts anyone who can help. I accidently punctured the thermostat.
Have used the fridge for 7 years and can not think of parting with it. Thanks in advance for your assistance.
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Post# 35964-2/16/2004-19:14 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
GE Filter-Flos
MESSAGE: Until I started visiting this site, I didn't realize how desirable the old GE filter-flo design was. I had one of the last ones, new in 1993. It came as an upgrade in my condo. It was one of the lower-end models, with two cycles (Regular and Perm Press), three temp selections and two water level selections (high or low). It was my first washer and I loved it. I think it had a 14 lb. standard capacity. The tub had a black finish, with a few white speckles - like those oval dutch roaster pans you see. It was sparsely perforated, with about three rows of holes from the bottom to the middle, with four more rows closer together near the top of the tub. It had a white three-vaned ramp agitator, and the filter-flo pan sat on top of the agitator. It washed really well, and ran like new nine years later when I moved. It never needed a repair. I left it for the new owners. The only thing that it needed was some sort of out-of-balance system. When it became unbalanced, there was no trigger to shut it off, or activate a buzzer. It would continue thumping until you raised the lid.
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Post# 35965-2/16/2004-20:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Need Help!!! (try ...)
MESSAGE: www.antiqueappliances.com in Clayton, GA .......... they are great for help with old stoves and frig's ......... good luck :)
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Post# 35966-2/16/2004-20:51 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (rusty racks on WP)
MESSAGE: Well I purchased the house new in Aug 1990, dishwasher was brand new-tub is made of metal. Door interior is plastic. Appliance parts and repair told me the racks would cost about 100.00, can't remember if for both or separate. Never did buy any. They started rusting when machin was 3 or 4 years old. You mentioned the strong detergent causing problems-could air dry only all the time cause this? Well so I don't turn this forum into a clinic-thought I would share with you dishwasher fans that there are a couple ads (old ones) on bidville.com. One is an old Frigidaire and the other is an old top loading GE (circa 1948). Check em' out.
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Post# 35967-2/16/2004-21:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (rusty racks on WP)
MESSAGE: its logical the air drying-(not using the heating element) that energy fans promote these days-may be a factor. The racks would be exposed to the moisture longer.I use the air dry method-particularly if I do have to leave the machine-to avoid the fire hazard of items in the washer falling into the heating element.
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Post# 35968-2/16/2004-21:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter-Flos
MESSAGE: While calling appliance places to day (a repair place) the owner mentioned he has a graveyard of machines.He said I could look around. He said he purged his yard-and got rid of most of the older machines. He said all he had left was "an avocado GE filter flow from the 60's" I am going to scope it out.I asked him if he ran into any more older machines-50's,60's-NOT to send them to the bailer.He put me on his call list.He did say the machine still would work.I may just give it a home.Oh Yea-he sort of resented calling his yard a "graveyard"-he just said my appliance yard.Is a place out here in Winterville-Near Greenville.It seems like a lot of the places around here have a thing against 50-early 60's machines. They send them to the bailer-"because no one wants them" they say.They would say I was the only one requesting them.
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Post# 35969-2/16/2004-21:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: I tried looking too and couldn't find the modern site that showed their food processers.Its a large outfit-an appliance conglemerate under the name "electrostar"You could try looking that up on the internet. The mixers is www.starmix.itt/hope.tml.. I don't think it is actually related to the "starmix we are thinking about. Its an Italian company that makes baking equipment.Other things about Starmix is that they build a line of vacuum cleaners and restroom sanitation equipment(hand dryers)I beleive its www.starmix.de/seiten/gbsites. It also sound like a German company.I ran into the Starmix food processer site one day-but could not find it this time. Eleusive little guys. Would love it if they marketed their product here.Oh- also saw your picture of the Thorens turntable-these used to be very popular here for home hi-fi and I have occasionally ran ito them at radio stations-usually small stations and the TT would be in their production studio or emerg studio.Hadn't worked on any-they are pretty rugged and reliable.Would like that model today.
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Post# 35970-2/16/2004-22:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ????
MESSAGE: I know its normal for a small amount of water to remain in a dishwasher at the end of the cycle to lubricate the seal(s). When a machine is not in use for some time and this water dries up .... is that bad ?? should I pour something and what into the dishwasher to keep the seals "ok" ?? .......... I am afraid that with the collection of vintage dishwashers that I have so far and using them so infrequently that the wetting and drying out may make it worse then having them constantly wet or constantly dry/unused ......... any thoughts ??
thanks in advance for feedback ........ its greatly appreciated :) -gregm
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Post# 35971-2/16/2004-23:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ????
MESSAGE: I think the remaining water also keeps the pump primed.It would be desirable to keep the seals moist-esp if you still use the machines.And I think you should change the water periodically to keep it from getting stagnent.
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Post# 35972-2/16/2004-23:34 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter-Flos
MESSAGE: Hi,
Add me to your list as if there is a 1961-2 model 1050X I would pay the costs to have it shipped out west.
Mike
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Post# 35973-2/17/2004-02:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: You had a few typos in the link here's the right one: http://www.starmix.it/home.html Anyway, I think the German Starmix company stopped selling the foodprocessor. I had the impression it wasn't produced by themself like the older machines that was sold in the UK by Hoover. I guess Starmix is focussing on the professional cleaning business and the dryers now.
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Post# 35974-2/17/2004-03:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up)
MESSAGE: It's available at appliance parts stores. Sears also sells it on their site in the parts section.
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Post# 35975-2/17/2004-03:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (dishwasher seals)
MESSAGE: Probably depends on the type of seal. I had to put a '62 TL Kenmore (D & M, a impeller-type machine) back into service recently and it didn't seem to hurt that it had been dry, except that the drain pump seal (a separate assembly in this machine) leaks. But, it had leaked even BEFORE it went into storage. What ever seal they used on the impeller shaft seems to have not been affected by storage. The '78 KM it's pinch-hitting for uses a ceramic seal, which I imagine doesn't care if it's dry or not.
On the other hand, my maternal Grandmother's '63 Frigidaire spin-tube type dishwasher sepnd long periods dry, and when I tried putting it back in service, it leaked like a sieve. But, as it turns out, NOT from the motor shaft seal, but the gasket between the two halves of the pump. I disassembled the pump and put silicone on the gasket and put it back together. Voila! no leaks (though I did have to WD40 both the the timer motor and the drain valve motor, since they were both stuck from non-use.)
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Post# 35976-2/17/2004-05:14 ||| laundromat (florida)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse dryer on ebay
MESSAGE: There is a 1952 Westinghouse electric dryer for sale on ebay (item # is 3275051033)They're expecting to sell it for no less than $700!!!
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Post# 35977-2/17/2004-06:55 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (dishwasher seals)
MESSAGE: thank you and tolivac for the info :) ......
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Post# 35978-2/17/2004-08:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (LOOK AT THE WASHER!)
MESSAGE: Do you see the washer next to it?
See the right hand corner of the control panel cover? It's a LADY KENMORE!
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Post# 35979-2/17/2004-08:58 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ????
MESSAGE: It won't hurt the machine that much. When you put it back into use BEFORE you start the machine pour 2 quarts of hot water into the d/w to soften up the seals. Let it sit for about 10 mins then start the machine. If you don't there is a chance that the rubber will stick to the motor shaft and rip when the d/w is turned on.
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Post# 35980-2/17/2004-09:22 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ????
MESSAGE: Greg, you can pour a small amount of RV or marine antifreeze, (the type intended for potable water systems) into the dishwasher sump. This will preserve the seals during periods of non-use. Works on clothes washers too.
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Post# 35981-2/17/2004-13:44 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: I soaked the WD-40 for a couple days, then I moved the skirt on the bottom daily. Last night, I moved the skirt and giggled the agitator back and forth by use of its fins. It freed up, and came off nicely intact! So now, I have a nice, shiny agitator wrapped in a nice blanket to protect it while I proceed to find out how I'm gonna get that transmission out.
Thanks for your help fellas!
The Imperial
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Post# 35982-2/17/2004-14:33 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: SoCal Appliance Mini Wash Meet (soCal washer meet)
MESSAGE: Hey Mike,
Please keep us posted! I'd love to drive over & be a part of the fun!
Thanks,
Todd
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Post# 35983-2/17/2004-16:43 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (thnx J)
MESSAGE: thank you :)
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Post# 35984-2/17/2004-16:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (how much?)
MESSAGE: when you say a small amount ? half cup ?? should I dilute it ?? thanks very much for the tip ...........
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Post# 35985-2/17/2004-18:09 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (Put tang in the DW )
MESSAGE: In addition to what Jason suggests may I add my own 2 cents. I read in a appliance repair book called the Appliance Doctor that if you have a dishwasher that has sat for a while and the water has evaporated out of the bottom, put a whole cannister of Tang breakfast drink into the dishwasher and run it through a complete cycle. The author of the book claims there is a chemical in Tang that will help restore the softness and pliabiltiy of any rubber seals that have gotten hard. I suggested this to a neighbor who had one that had that a leak around the door after being stored for a year and it worked for her. Again this is just my 2 cents
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Post# 35986-2/17/2004-18:14 ||| appliguy (Vienna Va.)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (AI thought that was to keep iany water in the machine from freezing)
MESSAGE: My family used to do that to our washer dishwasher and toilets at summer home when we would turn of the electricity at the end of the season and close up for the winter. we did this so the water in them wouldn't freeze and expand. To my knowledge it had nothing to do with perservation of any of the seals....but I could be wrong
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Post# 35987-2/17/2004-18:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Thats too bad-their food processors-blender-mixer looked like a very nice machine compared to the ones offered by other makers here.Guess I will hunt the thrift stores,pawn shops,etc and see if can find one of the older ones.
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Post# 35988-2/17/2004-18:41 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: Glad to hear it finally gave up.Now comes the fun part.....Good luck!
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Post# 35989-2/17/2004-18:42 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Just picked up a Philco-Ford... (pics ??)
MESSAGE: I'll see if I can get a few pics. I don't think it has stainless under the top,I believe it has the individual drip pans.
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Post# 35990-2/17/2004-18:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (thnx J)
MESSAGE: This is a similar problem with old unused blenders-you start it while dry and the seal fails. I put water in the old blender and let it soak for a while.-esp if the blades are stuck.Sometimes milk may work better than water-I wouldn't use the milk for the dishwasher though. I have heard about the tang method-It dissolves the mineral deposits from hard water or dishwasher detergent.
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Post# 35991-2/17/2004-18:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: mine is still stuck.I have tried pulling and wiggling-tapping.I will keep trying. I cannot get the agitamer in my area.I tried calling appliance repair places here to see if they had one to sell to me or that I could use.No luck.One of the appliance repair shops said I could look thru his "agitator library".He said to break it and use another-Yea-so he can sell me one.If they are cheap will buy some from him.
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Post# 35992-2/17/2004-19:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter-Flos
MESSAGE: I am going to his place on Friday to see what its about-he has the machine in his yard.Today it was raining bad-I am wondering about this-how long has it been left outside-around here its the rain,heat,humidity,and critters of all sorts.That machine could be a critter condominuim.Its worth my curiousity.
I was also going to look thru his agitators.I can see if he has any others.Sounds like the filter flows are what you are hunting for. I normally go for WP-KN. Thats what most of the places have around here.They send the vintage speed queen and norge to the bailer. I asked them to save any.
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Post# 35993-2/17/2004-19:57 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (how much?)
MESSAGE: Greg, you can add enough of the full-strength anti-freeze to the pump or machine sump to fully submerge the pump impeller. So the amount would vary depending on the machine.
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Post# 35994-2/17/2004-20:05 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: dishwashers not in use, seals drying up ???? (AI thought that was to keep iany water in the machine from freezing)
MESSAGE: Here in the Sunshine State, we've got thousands of "snowbirds" who put their winter homes here on vacation from May until late fall/early winter. So in order to keep those idle dishwasher and washing machine pumps from "seizing" the anti-freeze does the trick.
The folks that don't know about this, keep the service department busy, freeing up or replacing failed pumps.
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Post# 35995-2/17/2004-21:38 ||| Jmd5050 (Dayton, OH)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Talking Clothes Dryer
MESSAGE: I have a 1952 Westinghouse Talking clothes Dryer that
plays How Dry I am when done. Given to my Mother when
I was born by the US Air force - she still used it up until
last week when the tumbler went out but I was told
it can be repaired. It is in good condition - I have
pictures and also the original instruction book. I listed it on E-Bay #3275290659 as I was not aware of this site. I also have an old Cold Spot Refg. and Roper Staggered top gas, double oven stove for sale. If intersted please e-mail me at jmd5050@sbcglobal.net
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Post# 35996-2/17/2004-21:46 ||| jmd5050 (Dayton, OH)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (Talking Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: Hi,
There was an error in my ad on E-bay for the
Westinghouse Talking clothes Dryer, the new listing
is 3275290659.
Jan
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Post# 35997-2/17/2004-22:11 ||| jmd5050 (Dayton, OH)
SUBJECT:
Old Roper Stove and Sears Cold Spot Ref.
MESSAGE: I have an old Sears Cold Spot Ref. (still working) and
an old Roper staggered top 4 burner, double oven stove-both pieces around 1947-1949 and in great condition. Interested parties can contact me at
jmd5050@sbcglobal.net for photos. Parents going into
retirement home and need to clean house.
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Post# 35998-2/17/2004-23:35 ||| david (bossier city, La)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up)
MESSAGE: thanks I'll try sears, then app. parts.
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Post# 35999-2/18/2004-00:26 ||| sambootoo (Moody, AL)
SUBJECT:
web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels?
MESSAGE: I love all the talk about the old washing machines, and especially like the pictures and stories relating to these. Are there any web sites such as this that focus on old window unit air conditioners, fans from the 50's or 60's or the old color wheels that were used with the aluminum Christmas trees?