The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 36000-2/18/2004-02:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher (American Kitchens Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Hmm, looks like an early D & M design to me, is it?
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Post# 36001-2/18/2004-02:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: new whirlpool fan (gearcase removal)
MESSAGE: Don't worry, gearcase removal isn't that hard, I've done it so often I can have it out inside of 1/2 hour. It's not so much that it's hard to remove, just a lot of stuff to disconnect and unscrew.
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Post# 36002-2/18/2004-02:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: Of course there's a site for antique fans! :-)
LINK: http://www.fancollectors.org/
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Post# 36003-2/18/2004-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (Talking Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: Is that a Lady Kenmore washer next to your Westinghouse dryer?
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Post# 36004-2/18/2004-07:00 ||| gregm (MA)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: there is some stuff called "rackcote" that I ordered ..... it works pretty awesome and is specifically designed for DW racks, its like a liquid plastic. I can get the website for you if you want ?? -gregm
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Post# 36005-2/18/2004-07:01 ||| JMD5050 (Dayton, OH)
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RE: Westinghouse dryer on ebay (Talking Clothes Dryer)
MESSAGE: Yes, but it is not for sale yet still being used.
My parents may be moving to a retiement home at which
time it would then before sale probably sometime late
spring early summer.
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Post# 36006-2/18/2004-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Most manufacturers have a liquid coating used to touch up dishwasher racks, I have a bottle from Maytag that works well. There also is a tip kit that comes with small tips to fit over the ends of the tines to keep rust spots from forming on your antique china that probably shouldn't be in the dishwasher anyway ;-)
It's a tragedy that even on top of the line dishwashers nearing the $1000 price point that manufacturers use crappy steel under thin vinyl coatings. GE and Maytag seem to be the worst, but I guess that comes as no surprise...
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Post# 36007-2/18/2004-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: American Kitchens Dishwasher (American Kitchens Dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Yup. D&M.
Too bad we can't post a bit of that new dishwasher smell - I'll bet it's wonderful!
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Post# 36008-2/18/2004-11:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
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RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: Were Starmix machines sold in the US then?
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Post# 36009-2/18/2004-13:33 ||| davy1063 (Pennsylvania)
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Videos!!!!!
MESSAGE: Hey, all you guys with the cool appliances... how about some videos of the MECHANISMS of your machines? Specifically the Frigidaire RollerMatic mecanism. Please hook us up!!
Davy
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Post# 36010-2/18/2004-17:36 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
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RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: Which make and model is your machine, tolivac?
The Imperial
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Post# 36011-2/18/2004-18:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: new whirlpool fan (The agitator is off!)
MESSAGE: A kenmore 800 that uses a Vari-flex agitator.Thats why I was trying to aviod breaking it-don't know how common vari-flexes are.
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Post# 36012-2/18/2004-18:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Videos!!!!!
MESSAGE: Good idea-esp for repairs or rebuilding-seeing how it works is a help.also the picture would show how the parts go together.Helpful if you find a mechanism dissassembled.Written descriptions aren't always helpful. But seeing the mechanism working is.
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Post# 36013-2/18/2004-18:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP
MESSAGE: I think so-like during the craze in the 70's an d early 80's when the food processers were introduced into the US.Cusinart was the first to indroduce them to the US-their machines were built by Robo-Coupe from France. Trying to find one of these orig machines is difficult. They were better built thean the Japanese and Chinese made machines they market today.I am looking for one of them.I think folks who bought them will not give them up. Robo-Coupe is under their won name and market primarily to the commercial and restuarant trades.They make "household" size processers(7-14 Cup cap) to very large machines that hold up to 60 Quarts and have a 15Hp motor.I have seen one and its like visioning a lawnmower blade in a giant bowel.I have one of their small units. Got it from a used restuarant supply store. Its in pretty good shape but needs a new bowel now.I have seen others-but they were too beat up to consider.Yes I do collect small appliances as well as large ones.Starmix was one of the makers that introduced food processers here that could be used like a blender(blender attachment) or as a mixer with the bowel and beater attachment.They also made a meat grinder to fit the machine.It sounds like they were trying to market it as a "kitchen center" type appliance.Nu-tone had a similar machine that mounted in your kitchen countertop.Ronson also made a similar machine.
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Post# 36014-2/18/2004-18:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: I thought fans,radios and lamps were the most common appliances that people collect.I found a book from Walden books that has all types of Chrismas decorations and equipment from the '50's. It has a section on the aluminum trees and the color wheels.It mostly shows lights and ornements.The book is in the collectibles section of the bookstore.
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Post# 36015-2/18/2004-22:50 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
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'64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: Hi,
Just wanted to share a few pictures of my new fraternal twins. They are a dream and work just like they did 40 years ago! If the link doesn't work, I posted them to my link here on the website.
Enjoy!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/album?.dir=/a2e1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/my_photos
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Post# 36016-2/18/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Maybe the dishwasher makers should make the shelves in their high end machines out of gold,platinum or titanium that could withstand the corrosive dishwasher detergent-or at least a thicker vinyl coating on the racks.The coating on my WP KA is still holding up-the machine is going on 3 1/2 years old.The above mentioned preciuos metal racks would sure look pretty and impressive though-but would withstand the corrosive ingredients in the dishwasher detergent!Or as the least expensive route-vinyl coated stainless steel. Stainless steel withstands the dishwasher detergents and food elements very well. The tank of my WP-KA is stainless steel-and still looks brand new.
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Post# 36017-2/18/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: The kenmore washer-dryer shown in these pics looks very much like the ones my stepmother had.
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Post# 36018-2/18/2004-23:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: web sites for air conditioners, fans, color wheels? (antique fans)
MESSAGE: I found a website that shows early christmas lighting and equipment-www.oldchristmaslights.com
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Post# 36019-2/18/2004-23:57 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!)
MESSAGE: The pics are great, I have not seen these models before. Congratulations on the find. The coppertone looks good, and I am not a "brown" fan! What kind of feature do these machines have? Couldn't read the buttons, but would be curious to know what the beauty can do!
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Post# 36020-2/19/2004-03:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (liquid vinyl rack touch-up (also !! ...))
MESSAGE: Please do, went onto Sears site and they wanted just over $42 for their stuff!
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Post# 36021-2/19/2004-03:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (stainless steel)
MESSAGE: Seems like the old 50's machines I've seen pictures of had racks of stainless steel, WTH happened?
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Post# 36022-2/19/2004-04:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: Nice looking set's! I've always been a shaded Coppertone fan.Saw a Maytag 606 in coppertone yesterday,face down in a dumpster.So sad....
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Post# 36023-2/19/2004-07:40 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Beautiful Coppertone)
MESSAGE: Gorgeous machines! I love coppertone, especially on laundry appliances, and that black RotoSwirl...well, this is what laundry is all about. If only current machines had HALF style and quality as 60s models!
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Post# 36024-2/19/2004-09:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: WOW, they are just beautiful, congrats! Coppertone was the earliest of the new colors.
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Post# 36025-2/19/2004-09:37 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, you gotta love coppertone!
The washer is the 800 Series; the push buttons are the wash/rinse temp controls. There are the usual three wash cycles: normal, delicate and wash 'n wear for all those 60s miracle fabrics! And with the self-cleaning filter, I never have to touch that nasty wet lint! (an orange light goes on when the filter is in action during the wash & rinse cycles)
The dryer is a Lady Kenmore. Complete with lighted dials and drum. It has a liquid dispenser of some kind in the door; I'm assuming it must have been for some type of fabric softener or freshener. Any ideas?
Todd
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Post# 36026-2/19/2004-11:11 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
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RE: Wash Machines for use in a commercial HELP (Foodprocessors and mixers)
MESSAGE: I'll post a follow up in the Sandbox since this site is about major appliances.
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Post# 36027-2/19/2004-11:12 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Dryer Door)
MESSAGE: I think the dryer door on some models was designed to put water in to sprinkle the clothes before ironing.
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Post# 36028-2/19/2004-11:55 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Yes, and they are 800s too. Welcome to the Kenmore 800 club. Well, I don't own a set yet but hopefully that will change soon.
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Post# 36029-2/19/2004-13:49 ||| Retrokitch (New York)
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Finding repairmen for vintage appliances
MESSAGE: Hi - I have a 1949 O'Keefe & Merritt Aristocrat stove purchased on the internet and shipped from California to New York metro area. Does anyone out there have a name/phone number for someone who specializes in repairing vintage appliances? Within 20 mile radius of NYC, lower Connecticut, northern NJ. Any help would be appreciated!
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Post# 36030-2/19/2004-14:01 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: I'm proud to be part of the "800 Club!" Ashamed to admit I've never owned a Kenmore before. I came from a Wards Signature family.
Now I have my sights set on a 70 Series Kenmore washer & dryer set in desperate need of repair. Can I still be in the club? :)
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Post# 36031-2/19/2004-19:29 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!Liquid disp.)
MESSAGE: I don't recall seeing a dispenser in the door. I do,however remember liquid "freshener" being in a small bottle,in the lint filter area.
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Post# 36032-2/19/2004-21:16 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
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Westinghouse Top Load Washers (Videos)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the Westinghouse TL washers! I got to download those videos.
Chris
P.S.
Including the WP washers as well.
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Post# 36033-2/19/2004-21:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore "800" I have would be about 10 years later to yours.It is like the POD machine shown a few weeks ago.-1971,1972 vintage. It too has the three usual cycles and an "enzyme soak cycle" The machine has a switch selectable 2nd rinse-does yours have that option.I was wondering a all 800 series machines had the 2nd rinse.Mine has the Vari-flex agitator which is stuck.It sounds like the 800 machines were the top-of the line units-is the case?Your pair is in what looks like near mint condition.The paint finish on the cabinets looks very nice. Usually age and use makes the "coppertone" finish look bad.The finish still looks like it has its "luster"
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Post# 36034-2/19/2004-20:47 ||| katherine (Victoria, BC Canada)
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Colour Name Wanted
MESSAGE: Can you help? I'm looking for the name of a colour put on appliances from late 60s, early 70s.....??metalic bronze (shinny brown).
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Post# 36035-2/19/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (stainless steel)
MESSAGE: Thats interesting-I don't know.
come to think of it SS is used in the racks of commercial dishwashers-usually the "pass thru machines"I thought of the vinyl coating to serve as padding for dishes loaded onto the rack.The commercial machines don't have the vinyl coating-that would explain the dents and chips you see in dishes at restuarants.
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Post# 36036-2/19/2004-21:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: That's called coppertone. The other beautiful color that came out in the late 60s is avocado green... my favorite of them all.
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Post# 36037-2/19/2004-22:46 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Pics!Liquid disp.)
MESSAGE: Yeah, there is a small black tube next to the dryer lint filter; I wasn't sure what that was for, either. Probably the freshener bottle you are referring to?
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Post# 36038-2/19/2004-22:55 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE: Both the washer and dryer have been fully restored. The washer tub has a new coat of enamel on it and there's a brand new pump; "brand new" meaning it was new and still in the original mid 60s package before it was installed. I was soooo lucky to find these babies already restored and in perfect working order!
The washer doesn't have a second rinse cycle option (not a good thing here in the desert!) I believe the Lady Kenmore series was the top of the line, then the 800 Series came next.
The coppertone paint finish is immaculate; my 1974 coppertone Frigidaire washer & dryer finish leaves a bit to be desired. I found that ArmourAll works to spruce up that dull finish!
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Post# 36039-2/19/2004-22:52 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Hi Katherine,
Check out my link on this website for some awesome coppertone colors! (in addition to some lovely avocado green, too!)
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Post# 36040-2/19/2004-23:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Does any one remember "Fawn"? It was a tan color. Then the later "Coffee", "Fresh Avacado" & "Harvest Wheat". Then the newer "Platinum" & "Toast".
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Post# 36041-2/19/2004-23:52 ||| david (bossier city, La)
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vinyl rack coatings -thanks for the advice
MESSAGE: Thanks guys for all the advice on the vinyl coating. I am going to check out Sears soon. It seems a shame to throw out a still functioning machine just because of rusty spots. Oh by the way there are spots on the edges of my corelle dishes. Thinking about replacing them anyway.
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Post# 36042-2/20/2004-00:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (dryer door dispenser)
MESSAGE: It's a sprinkler for dampening clothes before ironing
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Post# 36043-2/20/2004-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (appliance colors)
MESSAGE: The colors were pretty much standard, but every company had a different name for them. Brown was called "coppertone" by some, "coffee" by others, and probably other names. Some companies would also "shadow" the edges with a slightly darker shade of the same color.
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Post# 36044-2/20/2004-00:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (dents & chips)
MESSAGE: Also that the dishwashers in restaurants wouldn't give a damn about the dishes, especially since they have to work so fast. When I worked as a dishwasher, the racks were totally plastic, and were pulled through the machine by a ratchet mechanism.
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Post# 36045-2/20/2004-00:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: Don't know if they still make it, but the "picky" housewife used to polish her appliances with a product called "Jubilee kitchen wax"
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Post# 36046-2/20/2004-07:19 ||| gregm (MA)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (NICE!!)
MESSAGE: great pics and great looking machines Todd, its awesome that you have as many matching sets as you do ........ I have only two matching sets out of all my collection. Best regards
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Post# 36047-2/20/2004-07:22 ||| gregm (MA)
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RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: www.amacorcoatings.com
I bought a large almost half pint size bottle of white for well under fifteen dollars which included shipping ....
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Post# 36048-2/20/2004-07:25 ||| gregm (MA)
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RE: Finding repairmen for vintage appliances
MESSAGE: can't help you within 20 mile radius, but I know these guys can help > www.antiqueappliances.com < they are in GA and maybe could refer you to someone closeby ??
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Post# 36049-2/20/2004-07:28 ||| gregm (MA)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: my mom used that all the time and always on her old shiny countertops, smelled nice too, they have not made it for years, they did make it again for a brief period in the eighties, my mom still has a little left in a can and does not want to use it up or throw it out ...... she LOVED that stuff,
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Post# 36050-2/20/2004-07:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics
MESSAGE: These are beautiful machines, gotta hand it to Sears - always a different panel!
Thanks for sharing your collection with us. Pictures are always fun!
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Post# 36051-2/20/2004-07:40 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Hardly boring)
MESSAGE: And their panels were so chic and stylish. Whoever designed those should win an award.
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Post# 36052-2/20/2004-07:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the often maligned Harvest Gold...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/General+Electric&.dnm=GE+Americana+Pair.jpg
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Post# 36053-2/20/2004-07:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer)
MESSAGE: Every time I see those I'm like WOW. Those are huge.
I remember seeing a Kenmore dryer like that with the big door and the huge drum. I have the regular GE style dryer which is great if I like wrinkled pants.
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Post# 36054-2/20/2004-10:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer)
MESSAGE: The opening is nice and big and of course the styling of the machine is fabulous. However, CR judged this large door inconvienent to use because you can't open the door with a laundry basket in front of the machine. It doesn't sound all that bad, but they were right, especially a problem if space in the laundry area is tight. The other drawback to this dryer is that GE used the same blower on this model as they did on the standard style machines which (IMO) doesn't move enough volume of air through the drum to dry quickly and tends to leave a layer of lint all around the door opening that if not cleaned away before unloading, ends up all over the clean clothes as they're pulled from the drum. The electronic sensor is not as accurate as others making it necessary to set the dryer for a higher dryness level than you would think, even then many seams and waistbands still are not thoroughly dry.
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Post# 36055-2/20/2004-12:00 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer - Gas Version)
MESSAGE: That is interesting Greg.
I agree with you about the styling of this machine. It is fantastic.
My mom had this dryer and it was the gas version. I remember that I loved that dryer. My mom's biggest complaint was just what you said about the lint around the door. Sometimes she would forget, and pull her clothes out and get pissed. Funny you should bring that memory back for me.
On the note of dryness control, it was an issue for her, but was totally different than yours. She thought that it dried to fast, and that it got too hot. (wonder if it was because it was gas?) She felt that the clothes that she took out were to dry and harsh, and she gave up on the electronic control, and only used timed, checking on the clothes like every 15 minutes.
I want to say she only kept the dryer for about 3 years.
Brent
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Post# 36056-2/20/2004-13:37 ||| Bungalow1940 (eureka, ca.)
SUBJECT:
1960's GE electric range
MESSAGE: I have an early to mid 60's GE 40" electric range that has the Sensi-Temp burner in the top right hand corner. The unit does not work.I read another post that inquired to what I beleive to be the same problem. My question is, where would I find service parts and or service information on this unit? I really would like to fix this, since everything else works great on this stove.Any ideas?
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Post# 36057-2/20/2004-14:45 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: Greg - tell your mom not to despair. Johnson & Sons still makes that marvelous potion. It is difficult to find at retail stores and I can tell you that if you do find it in a store, it costs a fortune. A small local hardware store near me has it and charges $12.99 for a can.
However, you can order it directly from SC Johnson along with several other products like "Klean & Shine". the prices are much more reasonable. You have to order at least a dozen cans and they let me mix Jubilee with Klean & Shine. I want to say that it was less than $7.00 per can, which is still expensive, but it does last . And it beats $12.99. I make sure to use it every week on all of my non stainless appliances and I even use it with a lightly damp cloth on my granite countertops for extra shine. Great stuff! And it IS what Aunt Jennie used to keep her Norge Timeline showroom new for many years!!!
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Post# 36058-2/20/2004-19:22 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: Hi, I do wax all my appliances,about once a year,and I always use Maguires Automobile Wax.I am sure most any paste wax would do the trick though.Maguires is what I use on my collector cars,so thats what I have on hand.I like the way the finish feels so slick to the touch after waxing my machines.Makes then look like new,and stay that way too!
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Post# 36059-2/20/2004-19:22 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Those are good pictures of your '64 pair. It's great that they work like new. The inside shot of the washer was almost identical to my Mom's Kenmore 800 series from 1971. The tub was the same - white porcelain coated, with the same alignment of drain holes. The agitator was identical too, but gold plastic instead of black. Does it have "Super Roto-Swirl" stamped into the base of it?
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Post# 36060-2/20/2004-19:24 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Cool color.I have alway's liked Harvest Gold better than the Avacado.My 1971 1-18 was Harvest Gold.
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Post# 36061-2/20/2004-19:37 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: My Mom had a Kenmore 800 new in 1971. It had the 2nd rinse finger switch, under one of the side dials (water temp or water level). I didn't remember it until you mentioned it. My Mom's machine also had the "Suds" cycle that would pump used wash water back into the machine from the laundry sink, with the agitator moving on the delicate speed. It also had a detergent dispenser on the right, front corner of the cabinet that would flush with water for about the first five minutes of the wash. Any of this sound familiar?
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Post# 36062-2/20/2004-19:50 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (GE Americana Pics)
MESSAGE: Those are great pictures - I would guess them at around 1979, correct? Also, under the "lid within a lid", wasn't there a water-powered triple dispenser? These weren't on very many GEs as I recall. Did they work well?
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Post# 36063-2/20/2004-19:53 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
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RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Jubilee kitchen wax.)
MESSAGE: Hey, all!
You can still get Jubilee wax from SC Johnson & Co. They still make many of the old products, however you can only get them by the case and by ordering them direct. I ordered a case of it for my "appliance polishing & cleaning" about a year ago. I have included the link with this post.
Dennis
LINK: http://www.scjbrands.com/mailorder/
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Post# 36064-2/20/2004-20:19 ||| Calypso Bruce (Boston)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Hi! all.
Fawn was a color used on the Whirlpools from about 66' or 67' and I believe that it was only used for one or two years, very rare. Also, I have a set of Frigidaires from 66' that the color was refered to as Honey Beige. I believe it was a one year color. Very rare also. I also have a Lady Kenmore from 75' with the flip-up console cover that was called Coppertone. It is also shadded on the corners. I think it was the last year for the shadding, but I am not sure.
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Post# 36065-2/20/2004-22:40 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
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RE: Colour Name Wanted (That's a big dryer - Gas Version)
MESSAGE: I had the 1978 version of this dryer. My experience was I had to set the auto dry for less dry for most things because it would over-dry way too much otherwise. And I too felt it was too hot also, mine was electric. On low heat, it melted a polyester backing of a mattress pad. Dryer was <1 year old then.
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Post# 36066-2/21/2004-00:44 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (NICE!!)
MESSAGE: Yeah, I want to make myself the "twin king" of applianceville. I'm not into dryers as much as washers, but I like to have the matching set, nevertheless!
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Post# 36067-2/21/2004-00:46 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Yep, "super roto-swirl" it is, stamped on the base. I didn't discover it right away and what a find! It's washing away as I write this note. The sounds it makes are music to my ears!
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Post# 36068-2/21/2004-00:48 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: My machine doesn't have the "suds saver" cycle; but I noticed in the manual posted on this website for the '63 model it has the "suds" option. My machine is identical to the manual except for the "suds saver" option.
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Post# 36069-2/21/2004-04:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: Wow, they don't even ask for payment up front! Amazing.
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Post# 36070-2/21/2004-04:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I could see car wax working fine on the cabinet parts, since those are usually Baked Enamel, like Ford, Chrysler, and AMC used on their cars(GM used "Magic Mirror" acrylic lacquer, which looks better when new, but tended to crack when old and couldn't be brought back by polishing like enamel could) but how does it do on the porcelain parts?
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Post# 36071-2/21/2004-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Colour Name Wanted (color choices)
MESSAGE: Often, the choice of appliance colors ids dictated by what's already there. In my case, originally we had brown 1060 Gaffers & Sattler range and a small white Admiral refrigerator. My Dad then gave us a yellow GE 2 door refrigerator from around tthe same vintage. It gave out about 1975 and was replaced with a new Wards Signature (WCI) refrigerator. Since we were buying new, it only made sense to get it in brown to match the range. When we re-modeled our kitchen in 1978 and moved bought a new dishwasher, washer, dryer, and trash compactor, of course we bought them in brown Or changed the reversible panels) to match the refrigerator and range. The range hood was brown as well, for the same reason. So that original Gaffers & Sattler range ended up dictating everything that came after.
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Post# 36072-2/21/2004-07:16 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960's GE electric range
MESSAGE: try www.antiqueappliances.com
they should be able to help and/or point you in the right direction
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Post# 36073-2/21/2004-07:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee))
MESSAGE: thank you, so how do I order it directly thru SC Johnson ..??
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Post# 36074-2/21/2004-07:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher ( vinyl rack touch-up (WEBSITE))
MESSAGE: yea, I got a decent size can of the stuff, comes in three colors I think, the brush inside the can is rather a bit stiff and to large so during application, depending on size of rust spot or chip it can cover poorly, but it dries to a good tough finish for sure, make sure to use ALOT of ventilation
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Post# 36075-2/21/2004-07:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Jubilee kitchen wax.)
MESSAGE: thanks for the link, great to know its still out there
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Post# 36076-2/21/2004-07:23 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I have used car wax on appliances and porcelain too, it did a great job, ......... the wax seems to last and adhere better to baked enamel vs. porcelain
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Post# 36077-2/21/2004-08:07 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Dishwasher Rack Repair
MESSAGE: The vinal rack paint and end caps for the tynes can be found quite often on ebay, as can replacement racks. Just type in "Dishwasher", and a host of items will come up, and most are realatively inexpensive........
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Post# 36078-2/21/2004-09:20 ||| Rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I have the same results.The wax protects the painted surface.The porcelain is so hard I don't believe it really needs any wax protection anyway.I do wax the tops however they never feel as slick as the sides of the cabinets. The machines always look great when you are finished.Thats the way a fine Classic Appliance should be taken care of.Just like a Classic Automobile. Cheers to the Classics of both ranks!! (:
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Post# 36079-2/21/2004-09:36 ||| Historymom (Oak Park, ILL)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse banners
MESSAGE: Hello Club members:
Does anyone have banners or posters that say
Every house needs Westinghouse or
You can be sure if it's Westinghouse
that could be loaned to an exhibit in Lancaster, OH?
we'd need it from April to September 2004
see www.decartsohio.org to see the facility and programs
thank you
Vicki
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Post# 36080-2/21/2004-11:17 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: Call me strange,but I've always loved Frigidaire's "poppy red" from the mid 70's.
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Post# 36081-2/21/2004-11:21 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: I use car wax on all the appliances I sell. Really makes a difference.I use whatever Big Lots has on sale.
On a side note,Frigidaire used to sell a polish called "Surface Renewer." Good stuff!
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Post# 36082-2/21/2004-12:16 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse banners
MESSAGE: Hi Vicki, Yes I have a banner about 6 ft long that says: You Can Be Sure If Its Westinghouse. Will contact you thru your email..........Jimmy S. (FilterFlo)
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Post# 36083-2/21/2004-15:45 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Colour Name Wanted (Copper or coppertone)
MESSAGE: My aunt had the frigidaire poppy set 1/18 set from 1974
what a beautiful pair
The poppy was some color
Peter
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Post# 36084-2/21/2004-16:02 ||| Kashee (Michigan)
SUBJECT:
73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17
MESSAGE: I have the above built in appliance. It is leaking from the water hose that runs into the machine (left side when facing the machine). Because I do not have access to the connection, I cannot get to the hose to tighten the clamp (I am assuming that is the problem)or replacing the hose. My question is whether I should keep the dishwasher or get a new one. The appliance repair/plumbing places I have called (Michigan - Suburb outside of Detroit) will not come out to pull the machine to make the repair and then re-install. Is this common? I hate to get a new machine because this one works wonderfully. Any suggestions?
Help!
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Post# 36085-2/21/2004-16:26 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: thats a nice machine you have there and was built to last a long time as long as the machine still cleans well id keep it the new ones just dont compare thats sad that that guy wont come out and repair for you but maybe look for a appliance guy id call around and find one there has to be on around you who will come out ill bet the problem is simple to fix and really its not that hard to slide the machine out and go for it yourself guess for me that sounds easy since i lost my fear of machines a while back anyway ill bet the machine is worth saving good luck and if i can be of help let me know have a good one chris
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Post# 36086-2/21/2004-16:37 ||| kashee (Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris, I thought I had a good machine. I'm not afraid to pull the machine and fix it myself, but being a woman and only 5'2" I know I will need some brawn to get this out. I will search for other repair people on monday, but it's hard to find someone who will pull and push the machine back in.
Again, thanks for the feedback.
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Post# 36087-2/21/2004-22:49 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: hey everyone,
getting washer shipped to my doorstep,u.p.s.freight,351.08 from door to door,if anyone can tell me their way of shipping and prices,just trying to find out if i got a good deal,would appriceate some feedback,anyways,it`s a supreme 80 with an 18lbs basket(whirlpool)coming from calif. to fla.plan on restoring it.should be fun!!!
rock
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Post# 36088-2/22/2004-00:07 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: ArmourAll works pretty well, too and it's easier than dealing with a paste wax...
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Post# 36089-2/22/2004-04:26 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: Try this website. http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/haulquery.pl Lots of different people hauling lots of different things.
LINK: http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/haulquery.pl
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Post# 36090-2/22/2004-08:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: new whirlpool fan (shipping a washer to florida)
MESSAGE: Hi Rocky,congrats on your first classic. Do you know the year of the machine?Hope to see pics when you get it.
Have a great day
Pat C.
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Post# 36091-2/22/2004-09:08 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up- Polish & Wax)
MESSAGE: You can remove quite a few scratches with good old No.7 liquid car polish, then use wax.
Ken D.
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Post# 36092-2/22/2004-16:36 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Colour Name Wanted (appliance colors)
MESSAGE: If the color had the hi-lite,darker colors at the edge, that determined if it was coppertone-with hi-lite, coffee-without, avocado did, fresh avacado didn't, harvest gold did, harvest wheat didn't.
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Post# 36093-2/22/2004-16:37 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: You can still buy Jubilee. You can order it from the Vermont Country Store. www.vermontcountrystore.com
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Post# 36094-2/22/2004-18:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: The porcelean surface is brittle and can be chipped.Wax may give a tiny part of protection-The wax coating. The porcelean can be "etched" by laundry chemicals-esp chlorine bleach-the wax may also protect from this.The "etch" probably can be buffed out with the rubbing compound.Etch-the surface looks dull instead of shiny and Lustrous.
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Post# 36095-2/22/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Good pics!)
MESSAGE: Along with the WP surgilator-the roto-swirl is another of my favorites.My grandmothers washer had one(looks like the agitator pictured on this sites homepage)and my stepmothers washer had one.I liked the way clothes were "sucked" down on one stroke and on the opposite stroke pushed back up.It was firm but gentle.I am going to the washer repair place I talked to-to look at the GE filter-flow he has and his collection of agitators. Will get a roto-swirl if he has any.Also another Vari-flex.Will have to look during the week. Was selling Tri-Star vacuums on Friday.
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Post# 36096-2/22/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up)
MESSAGE: I can remember this from when I was very little-came in a large brown glass bottle-my mother used it on furniture. Later it came in a can.
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Post# 36097-2/22/2004-19:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (2nd Rinse Switch)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore 800 I have has the 2ndrinse switch. It doesn't have the sudsaver or detergent dispenser.I guess may specimen is the less deluxe version.
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Post# 36098-2/22/2004-20:24 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Apparently, Sears ties new model numbers to old ones. It's been a few years, but when our Kenmore 800 model died when it was 16 years old (1987), my parents were going through a very busy time. My Mom called Sears and simply asked "What current model is comparable to a 1971 800 Series....just deliver it?". They suggested an 80 series washer. It had all the same cycles. The only difference is that the old Kenmore 800 was a little more "glitzy". The new 80 series was more middle-of-the-line, with the new quick-moving dual-action agitator. It served the purpose though.
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Post# 36099-2/22/2004-20:48 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
POD 2/22
MESSAGE: I've seen this on the website before; who is the manufacturer of this machine? I remember the original ad vividly; I cut it out in the shape of a heart and made a Valentine card out of it for my Mom in the early 70s! (in case you're wondering, I was still a kid then...!)
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Post# 36100-2/22/2004-20:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 2/22 (Philco)
MESSAGE: It's a Philco "Blades of Water" washer.
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Post# 36101-2/22/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I used to have a Kenmore 80-It had several choices of water temps-water level,and the option of 2nd rinse. I figured the 2nd rinse was the paramont feature of the 80-800 series.I didn't like the short fast agitation-damaged tore some things,and its action just wasn't as good.To top it off-the washer got off balance and the metal inner tub slammed into the plastic outer one cracking it.Both tubs were repaired under warranty.The machine HAD NO OUT OF BALANCE protection. the older 800 does.If goes out of balance its shuts down now and sounds the buzzer.The newer ones needed that feature the most.I traded the kenmore 80 for my Imperial 90-the Imperial is a much better machine. I think the 800 that I have is better.I have also seen MANY newer DD 80 style machines in washer graveyards around here-been "interred" already.The yards strip em for parts and the carcuss goes to the baler.-or landfill.I haven't looked-but does Kenmore still off the "lady Kenmore series-I thought the Lady Kenmore was the Top of the line and the 800s were next.
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Post# 36102-2/22/2004-20:54 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: My wife and I had the exact model dishwasher that you're having trouble with.
I must tell you that we had to have it replaced--pump problems. Well, actually, I ended up trying to fix the soap dispenser myself (wouldn't open up) and I ended up frying the whole unit.
As for washability, however, I think you can get some great machines that will perform up to par with this one.
When our Superba bit the dust, we replaced it with a Kenmore, top of the line, all the bells and whistles. However, the interior was white. I was told it wouldn't stain AND if it did stain, Tang breakfast drink would remove the orange-colored blotches. Well, the machine stained and I had it replaced with the top dog KitchenAid--complete with stainless steel interior.
Having had both dishwashers, I can tell you:
The Kenmore cleaned better--particularly the silverware and spoons/knives that had peanut butter on them.
The KitchenAid--well--it cleans as good as the old one. And, the name KitchenAid just makes a kitchen!
But knowing what I know now, I'd probably buy the top-of-the-line Kenmore with the stainless steel interior.
Just thought I'd share this with you in case you're in need of a new dishwasher.
Look at this as an opportunity--an excuse to appliance shop!
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Post# 36103-2/22/2004-21:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Abandoned WP dishwasher (dents & chips)
MESSAGE: In the machine I saw they were what looked like SS. I would imagine the plastic racks would be easier on the dishes.Didn't examine the machine to see what mechanism moved the rack.It moved slowly and smoothly like a conveyer belt.It was in a college cafeteria.Don't remember the brand.This would have been 1971,1972.
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Post# 36104-2/22/2004-21:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: What year is your new KA washer? I got mine in 2000.It has the Ss tank.It was built by Whirlpool.The control panel had to be replaced under warranty. The store GAVE ME an EXTRA one in case it happened again.So far it hasn't. The spare panel is in the pantry.I would like to have an older KA-most of the houses in my neighborhood were equipped with them in the late 60's and early 70's when the houses were built.Mine was 1972.I was hoping to find one on the curb that could be fixed.My machine and the Kenmores are usually built by WP.The spare control panel for mine even has a WP part#.I also think the old KA's looked so cool!!
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Post# 36105-2/22/2004-22:20 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: My '64 Kenmore has the out of balance buzzer but darned if I can get it to work. I've tried to get it to work but that 800 Series is a trouper! I've washed rugs & deliberately put them on one side of the tub to make the buzzer go but that ol' Kenmore manages to spin anyway. Those old machines are amazing!
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Post# 36106-2/22/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Tough aren't they-I wouldn't dare do that with a new 80 model.You will INSTANTLY crack the outer tank!On the older ones like we got-you may have to take the machine for a walk!!or use it as some kind of new ride-on vehicle.
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Post# 36107-2/22/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I would have to bet the motion sensor switch in yours must be bad.You will need to look into your washers mechanism to find it.It would sense the motion of the washtub-if it sways out too far-the out of balance alarm and shutdown are tripped.
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Post# 36108-2/23/2004-00:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Paint sprucing up(jubileee)Maguires Car Wax)
MESSAGE: You're assuming he was using a paste car wax, more likely a liquid car wax.
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Post# 36109-2/23/2004-01:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I think the "Lady Kenmore" name has been retired, I suspect because it sounds sort of "sexist" in this day and age.
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Post# 36110-2/23/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 out of balance buzzer)
MESSAGE: Actually, the "buzzer" is part of the unbalance "kickout" switch (it's called a "relay" in the parts list). Wish I could say that about mine, it'll trip the unbalance switch at the slightest hint of an unbalanced load. ALL the power returning to the line from the machine goes through this switch. I had to replace mine because it literally had a meltdown. Never seen one fail in all the years I've worked on KM's, but then, this machine is WAY beyond it's normal "design life" so parts that normally are still good when the average machine is scrapped are starting to fail.
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Post# 36111-2/23/2004-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 unbalance switch)
MESSAGE: This switch is on the left side of the machine looking from the rear about halfway down. It's tripped when the baseplate the washtub sits on sways enough when spinning to hit the lever. It's possible the lever is broken off.
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Post# 36112-2/23/2004-09:23 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I suspect that's the trouble but the machine really does handle out of balance loads with relative ease...!
Next time I have her out from the wall I'll take a look at that sensor.
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Post# 36113-2/23/2004-11:39 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Isn't it cool that the topic of most of the discussion on the page are about a Kenmore 800?
My mom's K800 had the out of balance switch until she had it disabled. It seemed to go off alot especially washing sheets or pillows.
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Post# 36114-2/23/2004-15:33 ||| lightedcontrols (Saint Petersburg)
SUBJECT:
FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi All! I'm back in Virginia and back on the computer! Found a wonderful Frigidaire Custom Imperial "flair" oven and cooktop with remote switches! Check them out! I would love to have them but the seller insists on local pick up only.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20712&item=3275508019
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Post# 36115-2/23/2004-18:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it I had a Kenmore washer-can't remember if it was a "80"-It was BD,had the dual action agitator.The unbalance switch on it was so sensitive that it tripped out during agitation.Is there a way to adjust the Sensitivity of the unbalance senser mechanism?I do not have this one anymore.Had it many years ago.
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Post# 36116-2/23/2004-18:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 unbalance switch)
MESSAGE: These two entries are especially useful-I was going to save this for future reference.!!36110 has some go info also.Would be helpful in case I should run into another machine whose unbalance mechanism doesn't work.Good things to check.
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Post# 36117-2/23/2004-18:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I figure now its Kenmore "Elite" series now? This would sound less sexist.
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Post# 36118-2/23/2004-19:18 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: It may be sexist, but I've also heard that Sears positions itself in the marketing world as a masculine brand, with things like Kraftsman tools. They've probably tried to carry that through to all of their offerings, perhaps focusing on the durability of their appliances as well (though, as we seem to know on this site, the old Kenmores were better overall).
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Post# 36119-2/23/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: They are still using the name Craftsman for tools,outdoor products and similar things that would appeal to men.The "Lady Kenmore" would have been used for those products that would appeal to women-I guess laundry equipment.However I don't think they used the term Lady Kenmore for Kitchen equipment.
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Post# 36120-2/23/2004-19:30 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, Its good to see you back in action. But you might want to check out that Flair cooktop a little closer. Its a very rare item, being that its just the ovens. There is no cooktop. That unit would have most likely been built in a wall, with a separate cooktop built in near it. In all honesty, Ive never seen just the oven unit in person, only in the books. Very rare, indeed.
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Post# 36121-2/23/2004-19:40 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: One other thing I remember about my parents 1971 800 Series Kenmore was the self-cleaning filter, although as a kid, I didn't realize what it was or how it worked at the time. I just remember when the wash cycle stopped and the pump kicked on, the first force of water out of the drain hose into the sink carried a ton of lint with it.
In an appliance manual years later, self-cleaning filters were described as plastic boxes near the pump assembly which contained small plastic beads, through which water would re-circulate. The draining of the machine would back-wash the beads so that trapped lint was flushed out through the pump. This seemed a bit complicated, especially for a feature that is often an afterthought. I thought these filters simply consisted of a mesh screen under the inner tub, that trapped lint with the help of agitator currents. The lint would then just wash out of the outer tub during the drain cycles. Does anyone know how these work?
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Post# 36122-2/23/2004-20:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I can remember the mesh screen like filter under the agitator in a Maytag I used to have.I figured it "cleaned" when the washer drained.I didn't know what was in the self-clean WP-KN filtrers-until now.I just knew that when the washer was in drain and spin mode the flow of water thru the filter was reversed-flushing it out.The big disadvantage to this is lint goes down the drain to possibly clog your plumbing or in my case-the septic tank.I don't think synthetic clothing fibers decompose in septic tanks.It would be nice to fish these from the washer and throw them into the trash.So far I have had no problems-Its just one that concerns me.I still like to use my KN 800 and WP 90.They both have the self-clean filters.And these washers I have are still better than new ones I have tried.
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Post# 36123-2/23/2004-20:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: There were Lady K dishwashers
Were there LK stoves and fridges?
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Post# 36124-2/23/2004-20:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I always wondered how it worked. My mom "it's magic" when I asked her and to a 6 year old it was magic.
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Post# 36125-2/23/2004-21:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL GOODIES !!! Check it out!
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, Glad to see you back on line! My that "Flair" oven is beautiful. I have never seen one with a porcelain lining before, the ones I have seen were always chrome. I bet the porcelain would be easier to clean. As Jimmy said I am betting that these beauties are really rare. Terry
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Post# 36126-2/24/2004-00:39 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I think the WP DD and Kenmore, Roper, Kitchenaid, Estate, Kirkland etc. are getting a bad rap. The old belt drive machines were a very good machine but I would much rather work on a DD. I guess the reason I like them better is they are so much easier to service and since they have been around since 1981 they can at least be considered a classic appliance. I know that there are some weak points in the DD, and going out of balance too easy is one of them, but of all that I have worked on, and I do it for a living, I have only seen 2 tubs go bad when it was the machines fault. Actually it was a defect in the molded plastic tub on one and a crack in the other that I never could figure out how it happened. The rest have been because of of operator error-leaving sharp objects in clothes, like screws, nails or small chain necklaces, then having them go through the holes in the spin basket and cuts the outer tub in the spin cycle. If it wasn't so easy to replace pumps and couplings I would say that was a weak point, but I've got to make a living some how. Now after saying all this will I be expelled from the group?
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Post# 36127-2/24/2004-07:03 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
Nice POD
MESSAGE: Robert Great nice picture of the day, how do you do it for us all the time!! You must spend hours searching the archives! Wow I didn't know my 1955 Blackstone machine was a Royalist.
Jet
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Post# 36128-2/24/2004-07:39 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Everybody's entitled to their own opinion; we are a very mixed load. We're drifting off topic, but I think that the Whirlpool brands (and perhaps Speed Queen and Koblenz, if you can find 'em) are the best TLs on the U.S. market, considering how Maytag, Amana, GE, and Frigidaire have gone down the tubes. That said, I still prefer the older machines, and I think the appliance companies could take a cue from the history books in improving their designs.
If I may ask, is Kirkland a department-store brand? I've never heard of it.
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Post# 36129-2/24/2004-08:46 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Hi there! Kirkland is a Costco Whoesale Club Warehouse brand
----Jerry
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Post# 36130-2/24/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD
MESSAGE: Yes, the work just never ends, does it... (placing back of hand on forehead).
I love your Royalst, such a fun and quite machine.
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Post# 36131-2/24/2004-09:23 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I know this is off topic ,but I couldn't agree with you more. For the money you can't beat a WP dd washer. I repair for a living also and it is the only brand I recommend to anybody. I have to admit that when I saw my first dd Kenmore back in the early 80's I laughed! But over the years they have evolved into a simple, dependable washer. I do wish the agitator stroke was a little longer and the cabinets a little heavier, but such is life! I also agree that the bd machines were awesome in their day. I always felt they were as good as a maytag, if not better. The only thing I would have liked to see was a faster spin. To me wp has always been a decent brand with decent quality throughout the whole line of appliances.
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Post# 36132-2/24/2004-12:14 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Jason:
Yep....... there were Lady Kenmore ranges too. These have appeared in the late 1950's to about the early 1960's. I don't believe that there were Lady Kenmore refrigerators until about the 1980's. Refrigerators from Sears back in the 1960's were labeled "Coldspot".
--Charles--
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Post# 36133-2/24/2004-12:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: I'm sure there are more new and exciting POD's to come, I shiver with anticipation...
All joking aside, thanks for everything you do to keep this site up and running for the appliance enjoyment of the entire world - we all appreciate it!
(BTW, if you had a nickel for every Kenmore post and reply, you could retire now! ;-)
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Post# 36134-2/24/2004-13:37 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I was wondering how that self-cleaning filter works, too. I have one on my '64 Kenmore. I was going to take it apart to see how it works. Now I don't need to!
Thanks for the info.
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Post# 36135-2/24/2004-14:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: The bead-filled affair was one variation of Whirlpool/Kenmore's self-cleaning filter. Maybe the most fun, as one could sometimes hear the beads rattling!
There was also one that was a disk-like unit that used a pressure diaphram to direct the water flow across a ridged surface, and back-flushed to clear during drain. It mounted in a vertical orientation at the lower rear corner where the drain hose exited.
Whirlpool later used a combination pump protector / filter that was based on the diaphram and ridged surface design, and mounted beneath the tub at the drain outlet, where the pump protector without an integrated filter would ordinarily be located. Our 1976 Supreme 80 had this type of filter. The housing was somewhat translucent, and one could see the dark shadings of lint that caught in it over time and didn't get fully flushed out. This, of course, impeded the water flow over time, and is one reason why the 18 lb machines had a 4-minute drain period. Our machine was able to drain a full load in just less than 2 mins for a number of years, but it started taking longer as the filter got a bit clogged.
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Post# 36136-2/24/2004-16:12 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
Madge is no longer soaking in it
MESSAGE: Famous Palmolive spokeswoman passed on...
-ph
LINK: http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/18/obit.miner.ap/index.html
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Post# 36137-2/24/2004-16:18 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Madge is no longer soaking in it
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter, I always wondered what happened to her. Gone but not forgotten...............
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Post# 36138-2/24/2004-16:25 ||| strativaro (New York)
SUBJECT:
HOTPOINT AUTOMATIC IRONER
MESSAGE: Hello,
I have a Hotpoint Automatic Ironer. It works! I can't seem to find any information about it. I've found info about the Ironrite machines but not the Hotpoint.
Does anyone know anything about the "Hotpoint Deluxe Cabinet Ironer", Model LR5? When was it made? Any information about this appliance would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kmurphy201/my_photos
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Post# 36139-2/24/2004-16:46 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: I'm not exactly sure of our dishwashers age. It's gotta be six by now.
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Post# 36140-2/24/2004-16:59 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT:
the mystery kirkland
MESSAGE: Kirkland is the private label brand for Costco...
everything from washers etc to shampoo...
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Post# 36141-2/24/2004-18:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: the mystery kirkland (other oddballs...)
MESSAGE: There was an appliance dealer in Northeast Indiana,who got Admiral years ago to build some refrigerators with his name on them.They were McNaughton brand.
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Post# 36142-2/24/2004-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I only had the machine for 2 weeks when the out-of balance incident happened.I am just surprized that out-of bal protection wasn't provided for this one just like the older machines.The tech that came to service mine despized the new design.He said it was easier to work on-but needed MORE service than BD machines.He said to me the repalcement of the spin basket and outer tanks was common.when I have visited the few washer yards around here-seen over a DOZEN of them in one yard-they all had broken outer tubs.The yard operator salvaged parts from them and then baled the carcuss.Some only looked like a few years old-I don't remember where I saw it-but most manufacturers design their machines to last only 5 years.It would seem the DD design needs to go back to the drawing board--Redesign the transmission to give longer and slower agitate strokes.Go back to the metal outer tank.The plastic one should be abandoned.Put an out-of balance protection in the machine.The tech did say that DD couplers were the most common failure. They only take a few min to replace. He worked on my machine for 2 hours.Replace inner and outer tanks.He also warned me not to wash tennis shoes in the machine or overload it.That would break the coupler.
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Post# 36143-2/24/2004-18:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Speed Queen went down the tubes when it was aquired by Amana-then later to be swallowed up by Maytag.If you have an old Speed Queen Built in the Vintage days enjoy it while you can.I didn't know Koblenz made washers for the US market-I am famaliar with their vacuum cleaners-the uprights.These are marketed to the commercial market to compete with the Eurika Sanitaire models. The Koblenz is the better machine.Yes,the appliance builders should go back to their roots-the best designs were 40,50 years ago instead of the dreck built today.The older designs could be refined.
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Post# 36144-2/24/2004-19:11 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: The stainless steel KitchenAid and stainless steel Kenmore are the same machine, both made by Whirlpool.
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Post# 36145-2/24/2004-20:46 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I agree that the old designs are still very desirable. Even if they are more expensive to build now, there is probably a big market for them and people who would be willing to pay a premium if they were brought back into production. One thing I've noticed is that Speed Queen still makes new commercial top-loading washing machines. I've seen them in laundromats. They are the closest thing I've found to the old designs...the agitators are still direct-drive, with the slower 240-degree arc. They seem to be the only brand that still uses the old agitator mechanism...interesting.
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Post# 36146-2/24/2004-21:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Speed Queen is direct drive? :-)
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Post# 36147-2/24/2004-21:23 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: I'll second that one Greg, Thanks so much for all that you do for Applianceville Robert. I really do appreciate it. Terry
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Post# 36148-2/24/2004-21:28 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Madge is no longer soaking in it (:-()
MESSAGE: I can remember those commercials like it was yesterday. Ahhh.. the 70s. If I could only go back.
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Post# 36149-2/24/2004-21:38 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (thankYOU Robert)
MESSAGE: Robert had to go back in the archives to revisit these vintage photo's, of your 57 SQ, any more photo's of it? Does it work? I really liked this one especially after i found this exact SQ in the Consumers Union archives...and another great big thankyou to You for all the great things you share with us all year long.alr2903
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Post# 36150-2/24/2004-22:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Thats good their older design is still in use-would be the only one.I tthought the name was different though-maytag dropped the speed queen name-these were marketed to the commercial market.I don't think the design is available for the household market.-unless you bought the commercial machine.I trying to remember the name of the builder-their factory is in Ripon Wis-the same factory that was Speed queen.That operation was now owned by Maytag.They bought it from Amana-Ratheon.I have used Speed Queens in Apartment house laundramats.In 1973(mahines from Mcgraw Edison) and in early80's-Amana.Liked the older ones better-they had the overflow deep rinse.
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Post# 36151-2/24/2004-22:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I thought Speed Queens always had a BD transmission design.
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Post# 36152-2/24/2004-23:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Boundless Generosity!)
MESSAGE: The Stainless Steel Blackstone is a real bueaty!! Would like to find one-you would think with the SS tank and top panel-these would survive.This one is more attrative than new models made by anyone today.
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Post# 36153-2/24/2004-23:49 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: If you want to know how old your Kitchenaid is look at the serial #. The 1st letter is the plant location, the 2nd letter, or # if it was made before 1990 is the designator for the year it was made-X=1990, A=1991, B=1992, C=1993, etc. Some letters are not used, like "I" but I don't have my chart in front of me and I can't remember. The next 2 #'s are the week it was made. Hope this will help you to determine its age.
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Post# 36154-2/24/2004-23:51 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: 73' Kitchen Aid Superba by Hobart KDS-17 (your kitchenaid )
MESSAGE: I should have said that this is for Whirlpool made products. I'm not sure how to read Hobart serial #'s.
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Post# 36155-2/24/2004-23:56 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I haven't heard any beads rattling; now you've got my curiosity going. I think I'll have to take my self-cleaning filter apart just to see how it works!
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Post# 36156-2/25/2004-04:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: If you take the filter apart, would you be able to post some pictures of it?
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Post# 36157-2/25/2004-04:33 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I thought they were belt drive with a 210 degree arc.
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Post# 36158-2/25/2004-05:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore Self-Cleaning filters)
MESSAGE: There were different versions of teh self-cleaning filter over teh years. The one with the beads was the first version, mounted in the lower right side of the machine looking from the rear, and was connected by hoses to the pump. Later versions included a flattened oval version with a maze inside that trapped the lint, attached directly to the outer tub, and the under agitator type you also described.
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Post# 36159-2/25/2004-05:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (drain clogging lint)
MESSAGE: At one time Sears sold (and I have one on my '78 LK) a lint trap that had long vertical slots that one put into the drain hose. Sears claimed that it would catch the longer fibers while letting the smallers bits go through so the drain would be less likely to clog. Of course, one can buy aftermarket drain hose lint traps. You could say that it defeats the purpose of the self-cleaning filter but actually, it's still more convenient since they can hold the lint from many loads of wash whereas the lint filters on other machines have to be cleaned after every load.
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Post# 36160-2/25/2004-05:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: There were never any LK refrigerators, they went straight from Coldspot to plain old Kenmore
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Post# 36161-2/25/2004-05:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen didn't get acquired by Maytag. It's alive and well at Alliance Laundry Systems and is mostly marketed as commercial machines, though home models are still available. They seem to have cornered the laundromat market, I don't ever see another brand in a laundromat here in Los Angeles.
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Post# 36162-2/25/2004-05:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (bead filter)
MESSAGE: ou won't have to take it apart to see if it's the bead kind, it's the only version that was rather large and rounded. Back whenit was first introduced, Sears had displays of translucent ones mounted with long hoses (hidden) connected to an operating washer to show how they worked.
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Post# 36163-2/25/2004-06:05 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: I believe they are owned by Maytag.
These washers are sold for home use here in Aus, badged as Kleenmaid. They are quite expensive and are generally bought by people looking for old style dependability at a price. I have repaired two of them over the years, both times it was main bearing replacement. the first one, the replacement parts were in "Alliance" and "Speed Queen" bags, the more recent repair, the spare parts were all in "Maytag" bags. I first thought that I had been given the wrong parts, but they were the right ones, though slightly modified. For instance, the older design had a triple lip seal, which from memory sealed against the agitator shaft. The replacement part was only a double lip seal, which sealed against the plastic agitator drive block. (from memory - it was a couple of years ago...)Sounds like a step backwards to me...
Chris.
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Post# 36164-2/25/2004-07:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore)
MESSAGE: I have a catalog with Lady Kenmore refrigerators (whirlpool made side by side with quick access door on ref. section)
100th Anniversary Spring/Summer 1986
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Post# 36165-2/25/2004-07:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: The double lip rubber seal does sound like a Maytag move, same seals are used in the top loaders and is definitely a step backwards or more likely, a profitability move - cheaper seals cost less to produce and don't last as long forcing replacement of the machine in many cases.
Could there have been a connection with Kleenmaid to Amana and not directly to Speed Queen/Alliance? That would explaing the new Maytag connection.
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Post# 36166-2/25/2004-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: This is a truly beautiful machine, nearly silent running and excellent performer. In addition to it's looks, one of the coolest things is the washtub actually lifts up to drain and spin, the water in the tub is drained into the outer tub through the holes in and under the agitator within seconds WHOOSH!
This washer sits on three legs to give it more stability on uneven floors, the timer is actually geared in the transmission, not electric - more Blackstone innovation...
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Post# 36167-2/25/2004-08:41 ||| JoeEkaitis (Rialto, California, USA)
SUBJECT:
02/25/04 POD: Oh, the irony!
MESSAGE: National Electric, the name of the all-American applicanse store in the February 25, 2004 Picture of the Day is also the original name of Matsushita Electric, maker of Panasonic products. Some of their earliest brands were National and Nelco.
Int'resting, eh? :)
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Post# 36168-2/25/2004-09:05 ||| Wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT:
POD 2/25/04
MESSAGE: Great POD...Cool seeing all those 50's TVs...I remember going with Dad to the store to test those old tubes to see which ones needed replacement when the TV was "on the fritz". Damn...now I want an old TV too!
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Post# 36169-2/25/2004-12:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: What happened to Blackstone? Were they swallowed up by some other company like so many brands lately, or did they just drop out of existence?
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Post# 36170-2/25/2004-12:45 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore......... "
kenmore1978"
)
MESSAGE: "kenmore1978":
Ummmmmmmm.......... yes there were....... Hate to disagree with you, but there were Lady Kenmore refrigerators available at one time. As "Gansky" has said (and I can confirm as well), there was one in his 1986 Sears Catalog. And I tell you what........ I also own a F/W 1986 Sears Catalog as well, and there is a Lady Kenmore refrigerator in it as well. It is a "side by side" model with ice and water dispensers in the door, and there are also electronic readouts right on the top of it. The one that is pictured in my catalog is almond, I believe.
--Charles--
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Post# 36171-2/25/2004-13:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip (thankYOU Robert)
MESSAGE: No the '57 Speed Queen needs to be restored yet, I hope to get to that sometime later on in the spring or summer. I'll have more pictures then.
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Post# 36172-2/25/2004-14:39 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (bead filter)
MESSAGE: The filter you describe is the one I have in my '64 800 Kenmore. Thanks for the info!
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Post# 36173-2/25/2004-15:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Old metal standpipes vs the new plastic ones
MESSAGE: My mom just had her washer drain changed out just recently. It was an old metal one that was original to the house (1965). Now she has a PVC one. When the washer drained in the old one. You'd hear water rushing but very quietly. With the PVC one, it makes a loud "gurgle gurgle" sound. The plastic drain in my house does this as well.
Kinda interesting how using all metal parts makes for a quiet operation.
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Post# 36174-2/25/2004-15:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Old metal standpipes vs the new plastic ones
MESSAGE: It could be that when the new plumbing was connected, they didn't connect it to a vent, so the water in the p-trap is getting sucked out and making the gurgling noise.
-ph
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Post# 36175-2/25/2004-18:06 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Interesting WebSite
MESSAGE: For those of you who like to look at retro ads, this website may be of interest: www.ephemeranow.com
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Post# 36176-2/25/2004-18:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: I would think washer graveyards and used appliance repair places could yeild self-clean filters to disect for the sake of washer science and curiousity.
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Post# 36177-2/25/2004-19:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: Weren't they bought up by Norge long ago-like in the 50's?Does the Blackstone washer shown in the POD have the front doors that open to the mechanism?
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Post# 36178-2/25/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 2/25/04
MESSAGE: I used to have a few old sets sort of like the ones in the picture-They got Stolen!! I was storing them at a radio station transmitter site that got broken into-they took my sets as well as those of a friend of mine.We were storing our old sets there-and didn't think anyone would bother the place.They also took any equipment that wasn't in the racks.-The Bogen PA amp used to drive a monitor speaker.I had a Philco,a Du-Mont,and an RCA color set-CTC-5 I beleive it was.Very early round tube job. These all worked.The Philco,I got from a trashpile from a TV store,The Du-Mont I found along the side of a road!!The RCA was given to me.I do have an RCA Braodcast equipment catalog from 1948-The Equipment in that book would be broadcasting to those TV's and radios.I have even worked on some of this equipment.Both TV and Radio transmitters.
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Post# 36179-2/25/2004-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: You would think there would be some of these Blackstones survivers out there-Just guess they have to be found.The Engineering of this machine sounds like something the newer designers should look at. The "tripod" washer base it uses sounds like the answer-you can't rock a tripod!!Although the geared timer transmission isn't good.Thje timer motor drives are better and more reliable.also they fail safe.The gear drive timers have caused floods when they get stuck in the fill mode.I think CU mentioned these problems when they reveiwed these washers-IN this websites consumer reports reveiwes.also I don't think you could move the timers manually on these-you had to let them cycle thru.
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Post# 36180-2/25/2004-19:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: In the USA the Speed Queens are built and distributed thru Alliance Laundry Systems. I am not sure now-but I thought they were recently purchased by Maytag. I looked up the Alliance website-they say nothing about it.They are primarily a commercial type outfit-they market to commercial and industrial laundry operations here.They also handle Heubesch,Ajax,Unimac.Of the new machines built at present-if I had to buy a new one-these would be the best choice.They do build a household style TL machine-but market to commercial users.They are based in Ripon,Wisconsin.I would like to see if anyone knows wether they were bought up by Maytag.Their TL machine has a SS inner basket and a curved bladed agitator(not the straight vaned ones you usually see)and the 210 degree stroke.The new agitator looks like a variation of a WP Surgilator.
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Post# 36181-2/25/2004-19:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: They were still making machines up to the early 70's, the Hoover set that I found last summer was Blackstone made.
The POD washer didn't have the front opening doors, those were a little earlier. The one pictured has an access panel on the lower front that opens down.
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Post# 36182-2/25/2004-20:36 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: True, I haven't seen Speed Queen top-loaders in consumer appliance stores for years - about 7 or so. The last place I saw them was at ABC Warehouse (I don't know how many stores exist outside of Michigan). However, Speed Queen does have a website where you can view their machines and specs. They have a decent line of models that are NOT coin-vended, though they are commercial quality. They have all the right features, and have a nice-looking appearance, for home laundries.
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Post# 36183-2/25/2004-20:40 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Sorry, I meant to say "belt-driven", with the slower arc.
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Post# 36184-2/25/2004-20:47 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (drain clogging lint)
MESSAGE: Actually, my Mom's Kenmore 800 had the plastic 3-prong drain hose insert. I thought it was actually intended to create a gap between the end of the hose and the laundry tub, so that the drain hose would not stick to the sink while drawing used wash water back into the washer during the "Suds" water saver cycle.
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Post# 36185-2/25/2004-21:15 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800)
MESSAGE: From your later response, it appears you've figured out that you have the beaded filter mechanism. I hope this came from seeing the suggestion from another member about the larger, round filter housing. With the beautiful working pair you have, I wouldn't pull anything apart just to satisfy my curiosity!!!
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Post# 36186-2/25/2004-21:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear about your vintage TV's getting stolen. I just love working on and watching my vintage television sets. I really enjoy 50's TV shows and its much more satisfying to watch them on a TV set they were meant to be seen on.
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Post# 36187-2/25/2004-21:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Yes I looked up their website-Alliance Laundry supply and saw many websites carrying their machines as distributers. They market to commercial markets-even though they do build TL washers and dryers that don't have coin boxes.They call them their "homeline" series.
they suggest that bueaty salons,barber shops etc buy them. I suppose you could approach such a dealer a they could sell you one to use at home.With the crummy washers built presently by WP,KN and Maytag-I think these would be the best choice-they use the durable and reliable "traditional" mechanisms.Esp the models that have the SS tanks.They don't tell you what the outer tank is made from-I would think it would be SS also.
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Post# 36188-2/25/2004-21:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: Check out John E.'s 1938 Bendix, its just beautiful and not a scratch on it! This is the very first automatic washer ever made, its newly invented incrementing timer and thermostatic water-valve were absolutely state-of-the-art in '38.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/TEMP/1938Bendix.jpg
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Post# 36189-2/25/2004-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: When I had my DuMont and Philco-it was fun to watch the original sci-fi-horror movie "the Thing" with James Arness on them.I used a lazer disc player that had modulated RF out for that.And it was a first model Pioneer LD machine that had a gas tube lazer in it.The machine died and I couldn't get parts for it-I had to move and the old LD player got pitched.I temp had the sets at that Tx site and was going to pick them up for my move.As you may know you can get the 50's TV shows on DVD-you would have to get a modulator for the player since the old TV's didn't have video inputs.The last I knew Radio Shack sold modulators.You would connect the video out and audio out from the player into the modulator-The modulator RF out would go to the input of the TV.
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Post# 36190-2/25/2004-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Nice POD (Blackstone!)
MESSAGE: That interesting-I guess Norge didn't acquire them.What happened to them after Hoover? Sounds like the access panel on that POD machine is like the acess cover on a dishwasher.
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Post# 36191-2/25/2004-21:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: Thats the same thing I had heard-the Bendix was the first true auto washer.One that you could load clothesin-set the cycle-and walk away.I think my stepmother mentioned her parents had one when she was a girl.
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Post# 36192-2/26/2004-00:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 2/25/04 (Watching Vintage Television)
MESSAGE: Also what was cool about vintage-Watching thru the glass window front of the early RCA TV transmitter and seeing the visual stage tube plates glowing when there was a dark scene-and the mercury vapor rectifier tubes glowing from blue-to blue white during dark scenes.That Tx worked hard during movies with lots of dark scenes!!Those wwere the days of radio and TV-I was glad I have used and worked on such Tx's
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Post# 36193-2/26/2004-02:29 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Interesting WebSite
MESSAGE: Thanks!! I enjoyed that site!
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Post# 36194-2/26/2004-02:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic
MESSAGE: That's 66 years!! What a beauty. And it had already a soak cycle. What a treasure!
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Post# 36195-2/26/2004-04:27 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Speed Queen)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
Kleenmaids are clearly marked "Kleenmaid by Speed Queen" and the ID tag says they are made at Ripon WI.
You US guys would be more knowledgeable than me about any connection between Maytag and Alliance/SQ. Plastic bags aren't really conclusive proof either way.
If Amana is based on a SQ design, could Kleenmaid source machines from one company and spares from the other?
Anyway, these are modern so we should continue this in the sandbox.
Chris.
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Post# 36196-2/26/2004-07:09 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: Alliance makes non-vended toploaders under the Speed Queen and Huebsch names, but for some reason they don't play them up. I find it very strange that they don't tap into the domestic appliance market. They'd certainly see a profit.
Anyway, I don't know that your average beauty salon, car wash, etc., would be that particular about the washers they use. Many just use any ol' thing they can find used/cheap. Reminds me of that Unimatic horse blanket washer...
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Post# 36197-2/26/2004-07:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (Thermostatic water valve?)
MESSAGE: Is like automatic temp control?
WOW
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Post# 36198-2/26/2004-10:03 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: What a great ad!
That machine is such a beauty! I would rather the Tide box be out of the way so we could see the inside.
Thanks for the great pics Robert!
Brent
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Post# 36199-2/26/2004-10:04 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (WOW)
MESSAGE: What a great looking machine! I bet it is so much fun!
Thanks for sharing the pictures John.
Brent
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Post# 36200-2/26/2004-10:25 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
KitchenAid KDS17A parts
MESSAGE: I rotated my KitchenAid KDS17A back into my kitchen last weekend. It's been awhile since I had it running. The last time I had it out was before I knew this group existed, so I made do with its missing pushbutton. But now I can ask: has anyone parted out one of these machines or have one laying around for parts? I'm looking for ONE chrome pushbutton from a KDS17 or KDS17A. I'm tired of the unsightly hole under PLATE WARM and you will be able to demand from me a small fortune for this button. Unfortunately, it took KA a long time to standardize buttons across their line, and this button is exclusive to the Superba KDS17/KDS17A built ins, KDS57/KDS57A portables, and KDS37/KDS37A dishwasher/sink units.
Now, to push my luck: does anyone have either the brushed chrome, stainless steel, or perimeter frame (for your own wood panels or whatever) front panel sets that they would be willing to sell? These could be from any KD_16, KD_17, or KD_17A machine. My front panels are shaded avocado, which is lovely color, except mine are a little beat up and the door panel's paint is peeling above the bottom of the door where the steam vents.
Any help is greatly appreciated--please email to tshea@siumed.edu
Thanks
Tom
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Post# 36201-2/26/2004-10:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: That is THE Kelvy to have. It's the 58 model.
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Post# 36202-2/26/2004-12:02 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: Did Kelvinator make a narrow 24" inch washer like KM/WP?The washer looks like a slimmer version in the pic of the day.
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Post# 36203-2/26/2004-13:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts
MESSAGE: My parents got rid of an avocado KDI-17A about a year ago. I offered it to the group if anybody could figure out how to transport it from here to there, but nobody was interested so it got trashed. Sorry.
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Post# 36204-2/26/2004-14:16 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: Up until the time I had to move away, there was a launderette in San Francisco on Hyde Street that was still using a row of about 12 or 15 of these same Bendix machines; even the style of the double-door entrance and the huge wooden letters spelling LAUNDERETTE in that 1940's style hadn't changed. I can only hope place still survives. Another laundry in another neighborhood that was still using the late 1940's Frigidaire top-loaders up until the mid-1990's finally closed and I never was able to find out what happened to the machines.
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Post# 36205-2/26/2004-17:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: I think they were the standard 27" wide machines. Someone else could help me here but I think that's the only size they came in.
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Post# 36206-2/26/2004-17:50 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (stunning)
MESSAGE: I cannot get over the condition, I assume restored ??
Beautiful machine !!!
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Post# 36207-2/26/2004-17:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (maybe ??)
MESSAGE: Tom, I just picked up a '68 Imperial and it actually has this nasty carpeting, hahahah, on the front panels, but the actual panel frames I could send to you if you want ?? This machine has two pushbuttons, one for rinse/hold and one for full cycle in beige, (probably no help), the print is very worn and I know they are not the ones your talking about. I could also send the chrome panel/console but mind you that is very worn too but you can have it if you want ...... - gregm
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Post# 36208-2/26/2004-18:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Kenmore 800 (WP DD))
MESSAGE: I think it is weird also that they don't market them to the consumer market.I think there are people out there that would be interested.The suggestion of the beauty shop,barber shop,etc was on the website as possible users of the machines.Does remind you of the Unimatic horse blanket washer-doesn't it?I think it is true that businesses would use cast off household machines rather than buy the 500dollar SQ one to wash rags say at the car wash.
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Post# 36209-2/26/2004-18:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: Cool!! It would be interesting to see those places and even do your wash there. Sounds like the only laundramats worth visiting.Also attests to the durability of the Westinghouse and Frigidaire machines.It would be nice for SRVAA members to get "specimens" from these places when they close.The machine would a a still usable time capsule!!
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Post# 36210-2/26/2004-19:31 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: A sidenote,the Bendix appliances plant was located here in South Bend,home of the other "Bendix" products like brakes,and aircraft carbs.I remember driving by it years ago,and seeing BENDIX on the smokestack.
The building now houses the South Bend Chocolate company.
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Post# 36211-2/26/2004-22:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: I wonder if the "bendix" were referring to here is also related to the Bendix electronics div.-They build avoinics,radar,and other communications equipment. They also built a lot of equipment for the military and government.
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Post# 36212-2/27/2004-00:46 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic)
MESSAGE: I grew up in the Hyde Street area in Russian Hill and lived there until I was in my mid 30's. I recall only one laundrette on Hyde Street on the corner of Green Street. They had the 1950 Frigidaire washers, then 1955 Frigidaires and replaced years later with commercial Frigidaire washers until the 80's when they were replaced with Speed Queens. There are a number of old time laundrettes which are still using the Bendix. One is on Leavenworth and California and another on Broadway and Leavenworth Street. In the 1950's there were a number of laundrettes using 1952-53 Frigidaire washers in San Francisco.
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Post# 36213-2/27/2004-02:36 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (Lady Kenmore refrigerators)
MESSAGE: I stand corrected. I never LK refrigerators, seems that when I first noticed they'd changed the name, it was ust plain Kenmore
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Post# 36214-2/27/2004-02:55 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: '64 Kenmore Pics (lint trap)
MESSAGE: This device actually spliced into the drain hose and had a wire bail-type latch. The insert with the long vertical slots would then pull out for cleaning.
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Post# 36215-2/27/2004-03:08 ||| KENMORE1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (KitchenAid parts)
MESSAGE: I assume you've already checked to see if the parts are actually obsolete? Even if they are, you might be able to get part numbers, which would help in canvassing parts places around the country. You might luck out.
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Post# 36216-2/27/2004-04:32 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: One and the same.They were into about everything.Even built a car in the mid 30's.
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Post# 36217-2/27/2004-08:59 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: KitchenAid KDS17A parts (maybe ??)
MESSAGE: Greg, I think those frames would be perfect! Thank you! And, I think I know which pink-carpeted Imperial you're speaking of. :) Please let me know via email how much you want for them, how much shipping will be etc, and I'll let you know my shipping address.
Unfortunately, the console, buttons, etc, cool as they are (my grandparents had that machine), won't work with anything I have right now, but they'd be cool to have, so if you have no use for them, I'll take them! The button I need is like the ones on your '73 KA Superba portable.
Thanks again!
Tom
(tshea@siumed.edu)
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Post# 36218-2/27/2004-11:07 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix Launderette location))
MESSAGE: If my failing memory still serves me correctly, I believe the Bendix launderette was on the West side of Hyde, between either California and Sacramento or Sacramento and Washington (I believe the latter being correct). And, the Bendix launderette was not self-service, to my knowledge. The Frigidaire laundry I mentioned was on Polk Street pretty close to Green or Filbert, I believe, and it was not a self-service establishment either.
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Post# 36219-2/27/2004-11:13 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(2nd, 3rd & 4th Coolest Launderettes I remember))
MESSAGE: I agree that the Bendix Launderette would have been the coolest place to wash, but the second coolest I can recall was the coin laundry we used when we were in between moves, in Southern California, back in the summer of 1967 with the rows of turquoise Frigidaires with the porthole windows. Somehow, now, that seems as though it was even longer ago than '67. And, I guess the "third coolest" would have been the commercial laundry here in Fresno that was still using the round Westinghouse "porthole" machines that resembled the Bendix machines quite a bit, even up through the 1970's. I think that Westinghouse place finally went out and became a video store or some such "cookie cutter" business. Then, there were those great "NORGE LAUNDRY & CLEANING VILLAGES" with the huge, 3-D round revolving signs that resembled Norge's stab at a model of the planet Saturn!
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Post# 36220-2/27/2004-13:59 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix Launderette location))
MESSAGE: The attended laundrette on Polk Street between Union and Filbert Street had a row of 1952-53 Frigidaire washers. I remember walking past the store each morning on my way to high school and seeing the lids of each washer with a round ring where the detergent had eaten away the enamel on the underside of the lids of the Frigidaire washers. The store is now a gift store.
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Post# 36221-2/27/2004-17:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pic of the day 2-26
MESSAGE: Thanks for answering Jason.Maybe this is where Kenmore got the idea for their control panels in the late seventies. :)
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Post# 36222-2/27/2004-19:33 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: I had bookmarked a favorite link that was on Applianceville some time ago. It was in a folder in threeringagitator's briefcase. It contained pictures of all the 1979 Frigidaire models. I just tried clicking on it and I am getting a message that this folder is now empty. What am I doing wrong?
The reason I want to look at it again is that my other half took a message from a used appliance dealer today. The gentleman has a set of WCIG & DGCIG for sale. I believe those model numbers are 1978/1979. I don't have any Tech Talks from either year. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Rich
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Post# 36223-2/27/2004-21:13 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: Hi TrainGuy, try this link
LINK: http://y42.photos.yahoo.com/bc/threeringagitator/lst?.dir=/&.view=t
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Post# 36224-2/27/2004-21:17 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Thank You)
MESSAGE: Eddy,
Thanks for the help. This is exactly what I was after.
Rich
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Post# 36225-2/28/2004-04:54 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: On the GM Frigidaires,isn't the first number in the serial number the model year?
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Post# 36226-2/28/2004-09:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request
MESSAGE: Excellent Rich - glad you found the pictures. Keep us posted on the new find!
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Post# 36227-2/28/2004-11:16 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: Sorry to announce that my 1966 Maytag washer in coppertone died last week. This is the one I had major surgery on last year becaue of a transmition leak.Now the transmition has seized up. My favorite appliance repair shop looked at it yesterday and gave it the last rights!! Sorry to say,but it was a BOL model anyway.Still I felt bad enough because I always have liked the way the center timer Maytags looked.(even the 1970's models look like they are from the "Happy Day's" era.) To ease my pain from all this,I went to the local "very used" appliance store downtown Fort Wayne. To my surprise they had just got in two Maytag dryers from the 1950's. One is kind of beat,and does not even have the light up console.However the other one is TOL with the light up console,chrome trim,shiny paint,and top,and not a scratch! So,instead of finding a washer to match my BOL Maytag Coppertone dryer,I will trade the BOL in on the TOL 1950's dryer. Then perhaps I will find some 1950's washer somday from the "very used" appliance store,and take care of that other empty spot in the basement.... Well you guys KNOW how it is.... The nice man at the "very used" appliance store is going to keep a look out for me,but said I "should have been here ten to fifteen years ago." So we shall see what happens! (:
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Post# 36228-2/28/2004-11:23 ||| Redwood (Brainerd, Mn)
SUBJECT:
electric clock for a Frigidaire Elite Electri-Clean built in oven Part #08016554
MESSAGE: Hello. I have a built in oven Frigidaire Elite Electri-Clean that has a clock that controls the self cleaning part of the oven. My appliance repair person has informed me this clock in obsolete. Can anyone shed light on this particular clock? Does anyone know where one would be available? Please e-mail or call- 218-764-2784 for information re: this particular clock replacement --- The part is #08016554. Oven works great but sure would like the clock to work again. Thank you, e-mail address greywolf@integraonline.com
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Post# 36229-2/28/2004-16:33 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (My sincere condolences)
MESSAGE: I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Those coppertone Maytags are a real treasure. I'm sure it has found a place in Heaven's laundry room.
On the bright side, congratulations on your new dryer. May it remain with you for years to come.
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Post# 36230-2/28/2004-17:16 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Ken,
I don't know about the serial numbers, but after 1965 the last letter in the model number designated the model year. WCIK was the Custom Imperial washer from 1966, WCIL was 1967, WCIN (yes, I love those Custom Imperial models) was 1968 and so on until GM quit producing Frigidaire.
Rich
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Post# 36231-2/28/2004-17:45 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Yeah,I know about the letter dates. Problem there is in the newer GM stuff.I think the "S" line was more than 1 year.And then you got "T","TT",and "U",which I also think cover several years.
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Post# 36232-2/28/2004-17:52 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: Sorry to hear of your loss,my condolences.However,it may not be a total loss. It's not hard to change cabinets on a 06 Maytag.I've done it countless times,change the cabinet that's beat up,or the wrong color,to some color I need,or a better cabinet.I've even built an 806,using a 606 washer,and 806 motor and console,etc.Those Maytags are still quite plentiful.I turned down a 407 today,and last week passed on a 606.How bad do you want it?
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Post# 36233-2/28/2004-17:54 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires)
MESSAGE: Having recently acquired a 1966 Frigidaire Custom Imperial washer Model WCIK in perfect condition, I would like some information about the washer-the owner's manual and operating instructions. Does anyone in the Club have any material related to this model and can you scan the material? Thanks in advance.
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Post# 36234-2/28/2004-18:38 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Dating the Frigidaires/Thanks Rich!)
MESSAGE: Rich, you are one of the best experts on Frigidaires and esp. the Custom Imperials. Thanks for the info, you are always a good source!
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Post# 36235-2/28/2004-18:54 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
FilterFlo's Helpful Hints
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I have to thank you for the idea of the zip lock bags. I'm currently working two dryers at once. When I previously rebuilt appliances, I'd just put all the screws, nuts and bolts into one container. That didn't work out so well. Then I tried egg cartons. It kept them separated, but still I couldn't remember what went where. The Jimmy passed along his secret. As he takes different pieces apart, he puts them into zip lock bags AND labels each bag as to where the particular screw, etc. goes. What a great idea! You have saved me countless hours and swear words by sharing this tip with me. And I also appreciate all the other little bits and pieces of information like the CLR for lime in the water valve and the brake fluid for the rubber parts. Thanks again!
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Post# 36236-2/28/2004-20:12 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Washer in Slides 6-7)
MESSAGE: Hello - I liked the pictures in this link. What is the brand of the washer shown in slides 6-7 in the "Minneapolis" album? It looks like a Kenmore.
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Post# 36237-2/28/2004-20:32 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Agitators
MESSAGE: I remember a rather odd Kenmore agitator from the '70s (it may have been from the '60s). My buddy's Mom had an old Kenmore. The agitator was made of gold plastic as in a lot of the Kenmores back then. However, the agitator consisted of five low vanes, with no plastic base at all. The vanes met directly with the raised white porcelain of the tub, toward the center. The white porcelain was slightly worn by the movement of the agitator, showing the steel beneath it. Does anyone remember this? It seems that Kenmore has had so many variations over the years....it would be great if they offered vintage builds, even if through a catalog, for a premium!
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Post# 36238-2/28/2004-20:54 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (Kenmore agitator)
MESSAGE: Beleive it or not, my 92 yr old great aunt still has her Lady Kenmore with the agitator you describe (and the matching dryer, both in coppertone). She purchased the set in 1967. It is the only automatic she has ever owned. I don't remember Sear's name for that agitator, but I do know it was(is) rough on clothes if something (a sheet) got caught under the vanes and at the same time, provided a very gentle wash action.....
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Post# 36239-2/28/2004-23:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: There was a small furniture and appliance store here in town that had several vintage washers on display (and the obligatory maytag wringer)one of which was a 1966 Maytag middle of the line washer in coppertone, regular capacity that had never been used. It was so shiny it took your breath away. Maytag always had a nice coppertone - a very deep, rich brown. If you have space for storage, keep the cabinet, you never know...an 806 with lighted panel might be just around the corner.
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Post# 36240-2/28/2004-23:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Yahoo Briefcase Help Request (Washer in Slides 6-7)
MESSAGE: This is Robert's 1957 Lady Kenmore - the very first Lady K. I think one of the Member Links has pictures of the restoration of this beauty.
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Post# 36241-2/28/2004-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators
MESSAGE: Super Roto-Flex Introduced in '65 I think. Don (jetaction) has one in his 65 Lady Kenmore washer, they seem to work well although reputation has it they are a little too rough.
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Post# 36242-2/29/2004-05:13 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died.
MESSAGE: They're still out there. I sold an 806 in coppertone about 3 months ago. Old lady owned,still had the cord wrapped from the factory.Beautiful washer,but I couldn't talk my wife into keeping it.She likes her newer set of Newton's finest.If you ever find a set of 906 in Coppertone,I'm interested!
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Post# 36243-2/29/2004-05:53 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: The Super Roto-Flex agitator was a traditional agitator with very curved vanes. This agitator with no base was not a Super Roto-Flex,but I can't remember the name. Next time I visit my great aunt, I will look at her machine and report the name. I think Kenmore always put the name of the agitator on the "cap".
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Post# 36244-2/29/2004-05:58 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: I am wrong.....the agitator in question is a Roto-Flex. The one I was describing is a Roto-Swirl....Sorry.....
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Post# 36245-2/29/2004-09:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (DOA Coppertone Maytag BOL)
MESSAGE: I would do that,except these machines are not that desirable to me. Coppertone is not my favorite.Even though the shade of the Maytag is better looking than most. Yesterday I found a Avacado A806 for $150.00 and could have switched cabinets.But after finding the 1950's Magtag dryer in white,I can't resist going with that.If you would like the Maytag washer for free please let me know,and we can arrange something for pickup.The matching dryer you could have for $50.00. The cabinets on both of these machines are in prisine condition,and are very shiny.I live in Fort Wayne,so you are only about one hour from me.Please let me know today if you want either or both,as the appliance repair shop has the washer and will scrap it sometime next week.
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Post# 36246-2/29/2004-09:59 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: I have a set of 1965 Kenmore 800 series in tourquose. The washer has the spirol agitator,and states: Super Roto Swirl on the base.It doesnt have the same Chug Chug wig-wag sound as the 1961 Whirpool washer I have.Can anyone out there tell me why? The factory must have figured out how to quiet that sound by 1965.It has a faint click-click sound,but nothing like the old Whirlpool. With the back panel off they look the same to me.
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Post# 36247-2/29/2004-10:33 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE:
Growing up, my neighbor next door had a coppertone Lady Kenmore with the hidden controls behind the plast curtain and a "Veri-Flex" agitator. It ran so much more quieter than our mid line Kenmore with the "Straight Vane" Agitator. I never could figure out why. I always suspected, however, that it was a combination of the lower vanes of the VF and that thinner drive belt.
Anyone else have any ideas?
MRB
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Post# 36248-2/29/2004-10:39 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE:
Oh the coveted wash action created by the Roto-Swirl. I remember it well. Kenmore always did have the most inovative designs for their agitators. I remember the first time I saw a Kenmore with the Roto-Flex agitator in it. It was at a local used appliance store. At the time, I thought to myself that whomever traded that machine in forgot to put the complete agitator back into the unit. I guess I thought it must be part of a two piece unit similar to the Hotpoint machine. You know the one with the hand wash agitator underneath the main unit.
MRB
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Post# 36249-2/29/2004-10:42 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Wash Action
MESSAGE:
Why do you suppose the Maytag line had that pesky lid switch that stopped all action when the lid was raised? Was it advertised as a safety feature?
I recall Maytag took some heat for not having a substantial tub brake on their machines while others in the same boat decided to lock the lid down during extraction.
MRB
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Post# 36250-2/29/2004-10:48 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
Used Appliance Dealers Online
MESSAGE:
I have been wondering why used appliance dealers don't advertise more online. I stumbled across one yesterday afternoon that happened to be in the Atlanta Area. The link is listed below.
Anyone out there interested in starting a Salvage business by taking up vintage machines and then advertising online? Perhaps if you are out scouting around and find a vintage machine that you think someone might want, take a couple pix of it and post it online. If someone is interested, perhaps a finders fee could be paid as well as a fee for shipping arrangments.
Just a thought...
MRB
LINK: http://www.invill.com/hosted/buy-sell/appliances/appliances-main.htm
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Post# 36251-2/29/2004-19:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(Bendix))
MESSAGE: Thats what I figured-Saw a complete phase-array radar station built by them-was very impressive-They showed me how to track "space Junk" at the time-late 70's.The station was near FWB Fla.I thinks its now out of service-was built for the Air Force in the early 60's.In real life it was used for more then tracking space junk-that was one its jobs.
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Post# 36252-2/29/2004-19:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action
MESSAGE: To cover the lackluster agitation of later models?I had a Maytag washer that even stopped filling when the lid was opened-what an unecessary pain!!Got good at defeating the lid interlock with an old butter knife wedged in the switch with the door opened.
In one of the apartment laundramats-the older Speed Queen washers had lids that locked down when in spin mode.Sometimes you had to bring a screwdriver with you when you picked the wash from the washers-the lid would still be stuck shut when the washer was finised.They worked good-but that Interlock was a real pain.Later I found you could wedge the lid switch with the lid opened to avoid the lid jamming-Then you could also see the overflow rinse.The launddry company then took these out because of frequent problems with the lid locks.Other apartment residents did the same as I.The Maytag washer was an early 90's model. The Speed Queens were early 70's.
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Post# 36253-2/29/2004-20:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Very, Very First Automatic (The Very, Very First Automatic(2nd, 3rd & 4th Coolest Launderettes I remember))
MESSAGE: The laundramats I remember was one in Laconia NH-They were all Maytags.Then another one in Cocoa Beach Fla-I can't remember the washers-but they had the large Bock spinner.We used that one only a couple times.The one in NH we used many times while we were at our summer cottage.The one in NH was one of the Maytag laundramats. I think Speed Queen,Whirlpool also sold "laundramat packages" to whomever wanted to set them up and operate it.Same for Frigidaire and Westinghouse.The practice continues today with Alliance-SQ.These laundramats I used in the 60's.
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Post# 36254-2/29/2004-21:56 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: And I love my "coveted" black bakelite Super Roto Swirl! Such an ingenious design; great turnover and it moves the clothes counter-clockwise around the tub, too. Amazing! Direct drive agitation? Yuck!
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Post# 36255-2/29/2004-22:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
OBSOLETE PARTS
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a source for WP/KN obsolete parts?
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Post# 36256-2/29/2004-22:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: That is the problem with most new designs-they don't move the clothes around the tub-They just stay in one place getting drubbed by the agitator.It seems with the older designs longer stroke-this helps move the clothes around the tub.They travel around the tub with the surgilator or the vari-flex I have.
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Post# 36257-3/0/2004-23:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (kenmore agitators)
MESSAGE: Direct drive agitation-Fisher-Paykel uses this in their new washers-The agitator is directly connected to a motor similar to that in a direct drive record turntable.However the power fed to the motor makes it oscillate-I have had this happen to DD turntables-At a radio station one had coke spilled in it making it oscillate like the washer motor.-Just right for those rap tunes.Anyway in the FP washer-feed the motor a ifferent type of voltage and waaveform-the motor then spins the tub.Haven't used one of these-an appliance dealer here carries them.This type of motor runs on a square wave dc voltages.In both the TT and washer electronic circuits conveert the AC line voltage to the DC square waves to run the motor.
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Post# 36258-3/1/2004-02:11 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (OT - Fisher & Paykel)
MESSAGE: Fisher & Paykel washers with their SmartDrive motor aren't really that new. According to F&P history on their web site, they introduced the SmartDrive washer in 1992, and hit the U.S. market in 1997. I've had one since September 1999.
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Post# 36259-3/1/2004-07:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: OBSOLETE PARTS
MESSAGE: what type of parts are you looking for ?? Most WP/KN parts are still available but prices for such have skyrocketed .....
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Post# 36260-3/1/2004-09:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: I have a question for anyone. I've been looking for a frigidaire 3 ring laundry sprinkler, and one is on ebay right now. The problem is, it won't let me look at the item or bid, because it says it is restricted in my country. Now why in the world would that come up. I would think if it was sensitive material it may show that, but a laundry sprinkler! Has anyone else experienced such nonsense, or maybe try to access the item, and see if you get that message. Thanks so much!
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Post# 36261-3/1/2004-09:43 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: I have a question for anyone. I've been looking for a frigidaire 3 ring laundry sprinkler, and one is on ebay right now. The problem is, it won't let me look at the item or bid, because it says it is restricted in my country. Now why in the world would that come up. I would think if it was sensitive material it may show that, but a laundry sprinkler! Has anyone else experienced such nonsense, or maybe try to access the item, and see if you get that message. Thanks so much!
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Post# 36262-3/1/2004-10:18 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: Good morning,
It came up fine for me. The seller states "Ships to US only."
That might block out bidding for non US residents but not sure.
Happy bidding.
Mike
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Post# 36263-3/1/2004-12:42 ||| Azappwhs (Arizona)
SUBJECT:
Thermador Appliances
MESSAGE: I am doing research on Thermador products from 1938 to 1990.
Any pictures, ads, or info on old Thermador would be of great interest. I will be glad to share what I have so far.
Thanx,'Ric
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Post# 36264-3/1/2004-12:56 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi, I'm in Indiana, can't figure this one out. Could someone post the link here as they sometimes do on things for ebay. Plus some of the other member might get a kick out of it. Maybe than I can open on that link. thanks
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Post# 36265-3/1/2004-14:38 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Neither could Dan Quayle (when he tried spelling potato). All kidding aside, the internet is a bit messed up today due to a new virus. That could be your problem. A friend of mine had a PC virus that mucked up his ebay. Took hours to fix it.
Here is a link to the item.
Mike
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3663852569&category=13596
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Post# 36266-3/1/2004-15:58 ||| FilterFLo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Thanks Mike for the info. That sure is a wonderful item. I hope a deserving club member wins!
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Post# 36267-3/1/2004-15:59 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (Maytag Harvest gold 806 set (maybe 906?) for sale, VERY REASONABLY PRICED!)
MESSAGE: Hi from Fresno, CA: If anybody is interested, I have a matching pair of Maytags, which I believe are 806's, possibly 906's (will have to check again to be sure) that I bought from Los Angeles and (a) have no space for, and (b) cannot use the dryer because it is gas-operated. The washer's glass console is broken, but I have the replacement glass piece. The dryer's knob is also missing, but I have the replacement knob on order. Never had the chance to hook them up to see about functionality, but I have been told they were working. Very, very reasonable price; don't know why I bought them as (a) Harvest Gold is not my favorite color, and (b) I don't have the gas hook-up for a dryer! Just another case of my eyes being bigger than my garage and wallet, I suppose. If interested, please e-mail me at ghewett@daklaw.com. Thanks.
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Post# 36268-3/1/2004-17:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: Hi Mike
I recall when I was a little kid a neighbor got one of these sprinklers when they purchased a Frigidaire refrigerator. I was so envious...I wanted one in the worst way.
Hope all is well in Long Beach!
Rich
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Post# 36269-3/1/2004-18:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Agitators (OT - Fisher & Paykel)
MESSAGE: How well does your machjine work?Greenville Appliance out here sells them and the FP dishwasher.From what I understand-FP is based in Australia.The dsiplay at the store shows the washer as a cutaway view-the machine is non-functional.Would like to see it work.In my radio station repair days I have fixed a few Technics DD TT's and owned a couple as well.At present I have several that a station gave me when they went "digital"After I did some work and transmitter work for them.When I saw that display FP washer at the store I thought of the DD TT motor.
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Post# 36270-3/2/2004-01:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: It's funny how everybody curses the Maytag lid switch, but GE/Hotpoint had the same annoying thing, and their switch was even less accessible than Maytag's. And the lid lockdown in ADDITION to the lid switch (Speed Queen, Westinghouse) was really frustrating. Seems like WP/KM had the best idea.
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Post# 36271-3/2/2004-07:17 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire 1-18 had a little pin hole for a lid switch. You have to stick a key or a small knife in there to make it work.
GE had a slot on the upper right where you could stick something in just like the Kenmore/Whirlpools.
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Post# 36272-3/2/2004-08:43 ||| filekar1 (italy)
SUBJECT:
constructa use and care manuals
MESSAGE: look at this Foraloysius, on ebay.de
Very interesting link. Bye
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800978466&category=8419
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Post# 36273-3/2/2004-09:56 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,
Was great to see you at the mini wash meet a few weeks ago. Ground breaking on the new garage/washer room starts in about 4 weeks.
A jet cone might be great next to my filter flos, though I still want a 1050X in the worst way.
Mike
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Post# 36274-3/2/2004-09:57 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
I do too! It is a cool display item. See you soon,
Mike
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Post# 36275-3/2/2004-10:54 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (Maytag Harvest gold 806 set (maybe 906?) for sale, VERY REASONABLY PRICED!)
MESSAGE: If they are 906's,you would know immediately.806 still has the round timer knob.906 uses a series of push buttons across the console.
I've only come across one matching set of 906's,about 3 years ago.They were in Avocado Green.Ended up selling them,that set I should have kept.
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Post# 36276-3/2/2004-12:38 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
Easy SpinDrier machine
MESSAGE: I just purchased an Easy SpinDrier, 40's vintage, off of E-bay. The seller said the machine was in good working order. I take that to mean one can actually use it. When I tried to use it, I found that the water intake fitting leaked horribly. I then filled the tub manually and found that the tub leaked from below as well. This is a cool machine, I've had a vintage ad for it in my laundry room, and now am wondering if I should try to get my money back. I'm not a restorer, just a collector. Any ideas on how to get something like this restored? Or, given the leakage problems, is it scrap metal?
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Post# 36277-3/2/2004-15:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy SpinDrier machine
MESSAGE: What a fun screen-name!
Can you give a little more information to help us diagnose the problems? The model number would be helpful, Easy had many different models over the years. If you could pinpoint exactly where the water is coming from on the intake/inlet fitting - either the hose, around the outside of the cup-like part on the back of the machine, or even the hoses leading to the faucets (?) inside the cabinet could be at fault.
You will also need to put some water in the machine and look underneath to see where exactly the water is leaking from. It could be from the hoses leading from the tubs to the pump or the pump itself, from the body of the pump or the driveshaft from the mechanism.
Best of luck and keep us posted. These are very fun machines - but water leaks from dried out hoses and seals are not uncommon on machines of this age.
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Post# 36278-3/2/2004-18:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: In one of the apartment houses I lived in-they had Speed Queen washers that had the lid locks.I defeated them-and so did other residents-so you could get your clothes out easily.Otherwise you would have to use a screwdriver or a pocketknife to get the lid open.The Maytag interlock was nothing compared to the early Speed Queen one I dealt with.I used these machines in the 1973 when I moved into the hi-rise apartment building that had them.The neighboring building(newer) had Kenmores.The buildings were owned by the same landlord.The SQ lid locks sometimes stayed locked even after the washer was finished.It would try to hold your clothes hostage.
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Post# 36279-3/2/2004-18:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy SpinDrier machine
MESSAGE: When you say intake fitting-I would think the seals in it could be replaced like on a sink faucet.A large plumbing supply might be able to help-sometimes restaurant equipment suppliers have odd size plumbing seals that may fit your washer.For the tank-is it a seal where the agitator shaft goes into the tub-Again one of the source above may help-or if worse goes to worse-try making a seal from a good flexible inner tube.I have fixed blender jar seals this way.It would sound like the machine could be fixed if it is dried seal problems.If corrosion has eaten a hole in the tub-that is a different matter.
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Post# 36280-3/2/2004-23:29 ||| Lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
LOOKING FOR A MEMBER!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! I was told that a member of the club lives here in Roanoke Virginia! Would you please let me know who you are so we can get together and chat. I've heard that you have a stellar collection!
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Post# 36281-3/3/2004-09:05 ||| LIGHTEDCONTROLS (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
1950's 3 door Frigidaire fridge!
MESSAGE: Greetings everyone! If you haven't seen one of these, take a look. This one would be sweet to own all fixed up!!! Mark
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3277401126&category=12514
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Post# 36282-3/3/2004-11:32 ||| Manor_Avenue (Fresno, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1966 Maytag washer died. (Maytag Harvest gold 806 set (maybe 906?) for sale, VERY REASONABLY PRICED!)
MESSAGE: Yes, I realize now, you're absolutely right about the 906's and the buttons and, I also realize now that, "I KNEW that." Too many Maytag model numbers rattling around with the rocks in my head. The gold pair is a pair of 806s, and they're still on the block for a very good price if anybody is in the market.
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Post# 36283-3/3/2004-12:55 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I wanted to know if anyone has a Maytag dishwasher from the 70's-80's that could give me a model number so I can see if I can go to the website and pull up/print the use and care/owners manual
thanks
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Post# 36284-3/3/2004-13:42 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
2002 convention
MESSAGE: I watched the video from the 2002 convention. Is there another convention planned anytime soon?
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Post# 36285-3/3/2004-15:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week!
MESSAGE: Sunday night 10 PM ET/ 9 PM CT
I discovered this on the HGTV website the other day and also got a call from the production company today that the schedule was indeed correct, Sunday night it is!
They put a tape of the show in the mail to me today so I should have it within a couple of days so I might update my post NOT to watch it ;-)
LINK: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/shows_hhey/episode/0,1806,HGTV_11739_31225,00.html
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Post# 36286-3/3/2004-16:04 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week!
MESSAGE: But why didn't they put our website at the bottom as a resource on classic washing machines?
Can't wait to see this!
-ph
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Post# 36287-3/3/2004-16:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: From 1988 brochure:
WU 1000 electronic control
WU 902 pushbutton control
WU 702; 502; 302; 202
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Post# 36288-3/3/2004-16:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week!
MESSAGE: Can't wait to see this Greg! I will set the DVR to recorded the show onto a DVD.
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Post# 36289-3/3/2004-16:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Does anyone know the exact year of this GE Range?
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Post# 36290-3/3/2004-17:44 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Kelvinator POD
MESSAGE: Ah, the enchanting and elusive Kelvy Golden Touch! Another of those "only in pictures" dream washers. Can anyone supply info on this machine--solid basket or perforated? Control options?
I saw a picture of a similar machine in someone's Yahoo folder, and the temp control buttons were labled Hot, Warm and "M+C." Is that the cold setting? If so, what does the M stand for?
Thanks.
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Post# 36291-3/3/2004-17:58 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (cant wait)
MESSAGE: yeah how cool i know it will be more that worth the wait
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Post# 36292-3/3/2004-18:49 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kelvinator POD ((fridge in the POD))
MESSAGE: I picked up a similar looking refrigerator a number of years ago.Unfortunately,the defrost heater was NLA,so it went to the big dumpster in Appliance Heaven.
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Post# 36293-3/3/2004-19:01 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: looks just like the range my aunt got when she was married in 1959.........
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Post# 36294-3/3/2004-19:35 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: I've heard this referred to many times on this site. I remember the SQ's from the '70s when I was a kid. They had non-perforated tubs and straight-vaned agitators with three high vanes. I've seen them agitate during the wash - just normal belt drive back and forth action, but what is an "overflow" rinse? Was this the only rinse in a typical cycle? Why not the regular "wash, spin, rinse, spin"?
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Post# 36295-3/3/2004-20:04 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Its listed in my GE Product Man Book as a 1957 Range. If it has 2 control knobs to the right of the clock then its a J402P Stratoliner. If it has 4 knobs to the right of the clock then its a Model J408P Liberator. I cant tell from the pic due to the canister set that is blocking the control panel. Hope that helps you out with the year and model.........The service book shows that they are basically the same range. The J402P is a single oven, and the J408P is a double oven.
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Post# 36296-3/3/2004-20:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Hi everyone!
I just joined this site, having been fascinated by automatic and wringer washers and only recently started a collection. So, at 15, I am among the 3+ young Applianceville members who were bitten by the "washer bug" at an early age...
Anyway, an overflow rinse is where, in solid-tub washers (I do not know of any perforated-tub machines that have this cycle),
the machine fills up to the normal water level, starts agitating, and keeps filling, supposedly floating away lint, detergent residue, and other light debris over the top where it is pumped out. Watch the Frigidaire WCI-58 videos (linked here) to see the overflow rinse in action.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WCI-58.htm
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Post# 36297-3/3/2004-21:22 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (Welcome Austin)
MESSAGE: It's great to have a new member join the club. I did want to check out your collection, but your Yahoo briefcase won't open. Anyway, welcome aboard!
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Post# 36298-3/3/2004-22:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range? (Keyboard Range)
MESSAGE: "P" for Petal Pink?
This looks fabulous - can't wait to hear about it when you see it in person, don't forget your camera!
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Post# 36299-3/3/2004-22:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Overflow wash and/or rinse was a great feature of the solid tub washers. During the last few minutes of the wash cycle, fresh water was run into the tub causing the tub to overflow and, in theory, floating away the scum and dirt on top of the wash water and away from the clothes. The same thing happens in the rinse cycle to float away the detergent/soap residue that was removed from the clothes leaving them fresh and pure! Cycle functions varied with the manufacturer, some did a short overflow at the end of the wash and throughout the entire agitated rinse, some did a stationary overflow at the beginning, middle or end of the rinse phase, etc.
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Post# 36300-3/3/2004-22:32 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: all I can say is WOW!!! I watched all of the vids, and I will say, the final spin is VERY impressive! Even though, Im a older Maytag, Kenmore,and Whirlpool nut, I found those vids excellent to watch!
GREAT SHOW!
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Post# 36301-3/3/2004-22:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Welcome! Glad you are enjoying the videos and other interesting info here, there is so much to see.
Check the access to your picture files on Yahoo, the album must be set to "public" in order for us to see your pics.
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Post# 36302-3/3/2004-23:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Welcome from another Texan!
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Post# 36303-3/3/2004-23:19 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: I will take a stab at '59 or '60 .........
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Post# 36304-3/3/2004-23:22 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
That is a fabulous range. Very kind of you to look it up and give the correct information. I bet your collection of books is quite extensive. BTW, the frigidaire books were sent to me so I will send them on to you. Happy Birthday!
Mini Wash Mike
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Post# 36305-3/3/2004-23:29 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2002 convention (2004 Convention?)
MESSAGE: I have the same question. Is there going to be another convention/get together this year? I'd host one but I only have four washers...
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Post# 36306-3/3/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Very sadly we cannot enjoy the sights and sounds of overflow wash and rinses thanks to the water and energy nazies today.You have to have a vintage machine to enjoy it.I think the benefits of it are worth using a little extra water.What really intreques me about the overflow rinses is when the washer goes to spin-I can only imagine a one-third to one half horse motor working its hardest in its life-It has to pump away all that water-It has to start that heavy wash tub moving an accelarating to the spin speed.You would definitly have to have a delay fuse or breaker on the line going to the washer.I have seen the overflow rinses in SQ and Norge machines.I really liked the Frigidaire washer video clips.I am trying to find an overflow rinse machine-not easy to come by here.--The places here junk them before you could get one.They seem to feel no one wants them so they get sent to the baler.I am the only one they tell me who has requested a machine like that.How late in time was the overflow rinse used to? I saw it in some SQ washers in the apartment house laundramat in 1973.
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Post# 36307-3/4/2004-02:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Since the overflow rinse needs a solid tub I don't think it was dropped because of the water usage but more likely because of the demand for larger capacity machines. A bigger solid tub was just impossible to use due to the huge amount of water that the machine has to cope with. BTW, a solid tub machine is most of the time more frugal with water than a machine with a perforated tub.
BTW, I would appreciate it when you wouldn't use the word nazies in this context. Too serious meaning to use it here.
Louis
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Post# 36308-3/4/2004-06:24 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: Thanks gansky1
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Post# 36309-3/4/2004-07:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Speed Queen was the last solid-tub, overflow rinse washer on the market when they changed to a perforated basket in 1980'ish. They had been making a "large capacity" solid tub for a few years, but with a slightly larger tub, the machine had trouble pumping away that additional water quickly enough, even with the slower pick-up of speed during spin. I frequently had suds-lock that would slow the tub down for a minute or two which affected the spin performance before the rinse.
Solid tub washers can be more frugal with water, the Frigidaire Unimatic only used 28 gallons of water for a 9 lb. load - with overflow wash and rinse. The later 12 lb tubs of the 60's still used less water than many perforated basket machines that used as much as 57 gallons (Westinghouse top-load) for a full load.
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Post# 36310-3/4/2004-07:03 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Dishwashers
MESSAGE: You're welcome! Did you find the owner's manual online? We had one of these style diswashers from 1981 that I loved - what a machine!
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Post# 36311-3/4/2004-07:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: If solid tub machines used way less water than perforated tubs, how come manufaturers don't go back to solid tub instead of using as little water as possible? They can make an 18lb solid tub and with those flat DC motors there'd be enough room in the bottom chamber for the water to drain and pump out.
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Post# 36312-3/4/2004-07:42 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: Hey Miniwash Mike, Thanks for the response to my post! AND for remembering my birthday! That stove that Robert asked about is so fabulous. Its like the yellow one the we both saw in Phoenix at the junkyard. Its still there BTW, I saw it again when I was there in January........
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Post# 36313-3/4/2004-08:03 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY Jimmy!
Dick from Morongo
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Post# 36314-3/4/2004-09:26 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JIMMY!
MESSAGE: Hope you have a wonderful birthday, and eat lot's of cake. Or whatever you like.
Brent
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Post# 36315-3/4/2004-09:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Does Anyone Know the Model Year of This GE Range?
MESSAGE: Thanks Jimmy for the info, I figured it was a '57 but wasn't sure. This range is going to be for sale at an estate sale this weekend.
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Post# 36316-3/4/2004-10:24 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday!!
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Jimmy
Many happy returns and Jetaction to you
Peter
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Post# 36317-3/4/2004-11:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Our Free Classified Section
MESSAGE: I wanted to let everyone know that I have made a decision to temporarily close down our free Classified Ad section. I have been inundated with complaints about Scam Artists targeting the people who are placing ads, I’ve even been contacted by a local police department requesting more information on these foreign based scammers. It is turning into more work than I had ever planned on. Apparently the scammers seem to really like our web site, so for now the best way to stop them is to close the ad section. Hopefully things will calm down, the scammers will go someplace else and we can try reopening the classifieds soon.
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Post# 36318-3/4/2004-13:16 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our Free Classified Section
MESSAGE: How unfortunate that a few can ruin something for so many!!!
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Post# 36319-3/4/2004-14:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: Happy birthday Jimmy!! 28 is such a fun age - I can't wait to get there... ;-)
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Post# 36320-3/4/2004-14:29 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Thanks To You All......
MESSAGE: Thanks for the Birthday greetings. Acutally, its not till the end of the month, but "MiniWash" Mike found something on ebay for me and bought it when it came up for bid. He so sweet, so unspoiled, and down to earth! Helps to make up for being another year older.......
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Post# 36321-3/4/2004-14:32 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Classified Ads.......
MESSAGE: Perhaps we can keep the ads running thru the message board, just for us members. I hate to see it go. There are many of us, including myself that have found some wonderful items here for sale and dont have to deal with bidding wars from online auctions......What do you all think? Robert, whats your opinion? Is it OK to mention things we might have for sale in our messages here?
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Post# 36322-3/4/2004-14:35 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: 28??? I think your Norge Time Line is running backwards!
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Post# 36323-3/4/2004-15:11 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: May it run backwards for all of us!
Happy Birthday, Jimmy!
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Post# 36324-3/4/2004-15:15 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classified Ads.......
MESSAGE: Until the scamsters start clogging up Applianceville with bogus posts... We will deal; we're all adults.
Meanwhile, I have an early 1970's WP portable DW for free if someone wants to come take it out of my kitchen. Motor is whiny like there is a bad bearing, but it runs well...
-ph
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Post# 36325-3/4/2004-16:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Classified Ads.......
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, we can certainly try posting things we want to sell or give away in an Applianceville message and see how that goes. With that said, we probably don't want people signing up just to tell us that they have a 1982 toaster oven to sell, but lets just wait and see what happens.
What I don't want anymore is my email inbox filling up with messages from people telling me about some scammer from a foreign land contacting them, offering them a huge sum of money for a machine that someone is selling. Then they go into how traumatizing the experience was for them, boo hoo, and that I need to do something about it to stop these horribly mean people right away. People should know better anyway, but unfortunately, from the tons emails I have been receiving, they don’t.
Also, if someone contacts me who has something interesting to sell I will post the info to an Applianceville message.
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Post# 36326-3/4/2004-17:16 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (New Member))
MESSAGE: Welcome “westytoploader”. You joined a remarkable group, as well as, extremely knowledgeable too. You’ll see.
I haven’t forgotten that apartment building laundry room with the all “SQ” solid tub/over flow rinse machines (mid 70’s). Thank you for a terrific “link”.
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Post# 36327-3/4/2004-17:24 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Classified Ads, Scams
MESSAGE: Robert, I too was contacted more than once by scammers in regards to items I had posted in the Classifieds here. It was immediately obvious to me that it was a scam. Rather that bother you with it, I printed out all the info that I had for it, and mailed it to my Atty General's Office in the State of Ohio. I never heard anything back, but I also notified the scammer about what I had done. I was never bothered any more with any of my classifieds. In my own humble opinion, its kind of silly that anyone would consider the offers from these crooks as serious. They had no profile on the club/The offer for the item always involved you send them back CASH for more than the item was selling for/The wording and spelling of the offer was broken English and illogical....and so on. HELLO OUT THERE! It was so obvious a scam that is was almost funny. Im not sure what people expected Robert to do about this. Some folks just need to get hit with a ton of bricks for reality to set in.....
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Post# 36328-3/4/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse
MESSAGE: Thats very interesting that the solid tank machines were more water frugal than the perf tub machines.It seems like it would be too much to ask of a one-half hp motor to drain and spin at the same time a tub with more than 9Lbs capacity.It goes down to the branch electrical circuit the washer is plugged into-15A 120 VAC in the US. Sorry about the Nazie word-I was referring to the washer energy and water use regulations that were passed in the US that are largely unnecessary.That puts un unneeded burden on consumers and washer builders. My beleif on that is let the marketplace decide.Get the politicains out of the Laundry room!!These unfortunate rules have killed some washer designs but benefited others-Ie the FL machines and water shower TL machines.Anyway I am trying to find a vintage overflow rinse machine.Thney are not easy to find in this area.
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Post# 36329-3/4/2004-19:51 ||| Cwj36 (wyoming)
SUBJECT:
59 kitchen aid (hobart)
MESSAGE: I JUST BOUGHT A HOUSE THAT HAD A CIRCA LATE 50'S EARLY 60'S
KITCHEN AID UNDERCOUNTER DISHWASHER. STILL WORKS GREAT, ANYBODY HAVE AN IDEA WHAT IT MIGHT BE WORTH?
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Post# 36330-3/4/2004-20:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks "miniwash" Mike
MESSAGE: And of course, Jimmy,happy birthday wishes from the gray,damp New England area. I can't wait to be 28 (again), myself!!
Anthony
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Post# 36331-3/4/2004-21:12 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (Thanks all !)
MESSAGE: Thanks for answering my question about overflow rinses. Now hearing from all of you how they worked, and hearing of the benefits to this mechanism, it's too bad they no longer exist.
In my opinion, there would still be a decent market for these machines if re-introduced and marketed correctly. Most of the issues around this design could be worked around...some people don't need a large capacity, and a regular size motor would suffice. Rinses nowdays are all cold-water, so energy consumption wouldn't be as high (though water usage might still be an issue). The suds-lock problem with the solid tubs could be remedied by using the low-suds "HE" versions of the top name detergent brands (already used by front-load owners).
Anyway, I really enjoy this site and the folks on it. Though I don't own vintage machines, I like discussing the ones I vividly recall from my childhood, and hearing more about them from all of you.
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Post# 36332-3/4/2004-21:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
My appliance photos are up & running--finally. After a week-long screen-name fiasco (and endless calls to SBC Tech Support), I am active on Yahoo and SBC DSL again...which is another story.
I posted pics of some washers that I currently have (haven't taken any of the Kenmore Jr. yet but I will soon), including the interesting 1934 Monitor Tabletop Washer. It is a fantastic little machine that cleans amazingly for its relatively small size and capacity, and the way the propeller wash action tumbles the clothes is something you have to see to believe. Too bad I don't have the matching wringer. I had its simple drive mechanism (probably too simple to call a "transmission", but then again, the Philco Automagic's transmission is simple too...) apart, cleaned, greased, and reassembled again within 45 minutes.
No such luck and quick maintenence for the Kenmore Jr. The motor fired right up, and everything was in good shape (even though the bottom half had appeared to have been painted by someone who knew NOTHING about appliances; oil-based paint I think, which will be VERY hard to remove), but when I tried the pump, that was another story. I turned the machine over and the bottom had a thin but noticeable layer of this nasty tan grease, as well as a motor with paint specks on it. Now for the yucky part. I didn't clean anything yet, but the pump was FROZEN and it appeared to have been frozen for a long time, as there were pieces of rubber from the pump drive bushing, where someone tried the pump lever and it didn't work. It gets worse. As I looked closer, from where it drains, some idiot had jury-rigged the pump inlet and the tub drain connector together with this 40-year-old adhesive gunk, which by now had hardened. This rendered the connector USELESS, even though the rubber was not brittle and still very pliable. So, I spent the next hour cutting away at the adhesive and the useless connector and removing it. I finally was able to get the pump out, and set it in the parts pile. The next day, when I had more time on my hands, I cut the remaining adhesive and hose from the pump and took it apart. There was a small clump of 50-year-old lint, and the black bakelite impeller was brittle and cracked, and it literally fell apart in my hand. Also, the bearing had seized up. I decided to opt for a gravity drain, since A. It could work B. The pump was in sad shape, fixing that bearing would be near-impossible, and the way the pump was driven by the motor didn't look very effective and C. There really wasn't anything left of the pump drive bushing, which is between the motor and transmission; the transmission is a direct-drive. The drain hole is 1 inch, and the recessed portion that holds the screen is 2 inches. So tomorrow I'm going to pick up a wet-bar sink drain assembly, which is about the same size, and see if that works. If it does, I'll finally be able to do my first clothes load in it. The agitator has a long stroke with speed compared to an early GE Filter-Flo, and seems effective. I eyeballed the capacity and it looks like it's twice the size of the Monitor's tub. The wringer works great and the rollers are in good shape.
BTW, I did clean the transmission housing. I used De-Solv-It, a POWERFUL citrus-based cleaner that will remove about anything (except paint, of course), to get the majority of it off, and Windex to touch up afterwards. So now the transmission has its wonderful dull metallic lustre again.
I'll have to see what happens tomorrow...
Happy washing,
Austin
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/westytoploader
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Post# 36333-3/4/2004-21:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Almost forgot...
MESSAGE: I almost forgot...
Happy Birthday Jimmy (FilterFlo)!!!
Quite an amazing (and large) collection you have there.
Happy washing
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Post# 36334-3/4/2004-21:43 ||| Gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (trouble with photos)
MESSAGE: maybe its just the timing or yahoo, I could open the album and see all the photos on one page but when I tried to enlarge and/or open one photo or clicked on "slideshow", I get a web site error page ........... maybe it will clear up and I will try later ......
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Post# 36335-3/4/2004-21:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (Thanks all !)
MESSAGE: If a larger motor is needed-there are permenant magnet DC motors available and have been used in other applications for years now.I think if a 1hp one were used in a waasher it would actually draw LESS current than the one-half Hp induction models require.The use of these motors is growing in stationary power tools and other appliances. Both plug in and cordless electric lawnmowers use them. The commercial floor machines and polishers use them too.I n either the lawnmower or polisher-these motors can be up to 3 hp and can be run off a standard 15A circuit.It is easier and less expensive to vary the speed of these too.Why laundry appliance builders don't use them is beyond me.I think the overflow rinse and its benefits should be reintroduced as well.The use of the HE detergent would make these more effective.The DC motors higher start torque should really give the performance the overflow rinse machines need when it goes to pump out and spin.Another thing-the DC motor can easily be adapted to run off solar charged electric systems.There is one solar equipment manufacturer that sells DC motors for washers.I don't know if they are still in business.They sold retrofits for Maytag and WP-KN.
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Post# 36336-3/4/2004-23:22 ||| Wireman (Lansing, MI)
SUBJECT:
GE Ranges...
MESSAGE: Wow...Hadn't been here in a few days. What a nice surprise to see pics of 2 great GE stoves...I'm in ecstacy!
Duane
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Post# 36337-3/5/2004-04:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Gas Duo-Matic
MESSAGE: I assume the first DuoMatics were electric only? If so, when did the gas versions come out?
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Post# 36338-3/5/2004-04:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: Did any other company use the WP/KM logic of having the lid switch work ONLY in the spin cycle, and even then only to stop the tub and not the motor/timer? Seems all the other companies I've seen stop EVERYTHING when lid is raised.
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Post# 36339-3/5/2004-05:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (suds lock)
MESSAGE: "Suds Lock" is not the exclusive domain of solid tub machines, perforated tub machines can be afflicted, too.
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Post# 36340-3/5/2004-06:36 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: The older GEs would agitate with the lid up.
Thanks to the lawyers and everyone getting sue crazy, there are no more timed outlets on ranges either.
Ken D.
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Post# 36341-3/5/2004-07:24 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches/timed outlets)
MESSAGE: Please forgive my ignorance, but how on earth could a timed outlet hurt anybody? The lid switches I can sort of understand--undoubtedly, there are stupid people who think nothing of shoving their hands into a spinning washer--but an outlet?
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Post# 36342-3/5/2004-08:37 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Memories on HGTV
MESSAGE: I'll be sure to watch on Sun nite. I have the note taped to my refrigerator already. Can't wait to see the museum!
On another note... does anyone remember the washer & dryer JC Penny sold under their name from 1973 to about the mid 80's?
I found some magazine ads for them. The washer had 2 agitators, one for regular laundry and a handwash one underneath that looked like a ribbed disk. Another manufacturer had the same thing....(Hotpoint or Westinghouse), so I guess one of them built it. The Penny machine had a more rounded off lid and a bunch of dials circled in yellow. Does anyone know? Jerry
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Post# 36343-3/5/2004-09:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Memories on HGTV (Pencrest)
MESSAGE: The JC Penney Pencrest line of appliances were made by GE with very minor modifications to the style and to the agitator. The machines were actually closer in style to the Hotpoint line. When GE/Hotpoint came out with the double agitator, the Pencrest line also incorporated it.
-ph
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Post# 36344-3/5/2004-09:15 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin- the Monitor photos are great!. My grandmother had one of these when I was a kid, but it wasn't a table model. It had a wringer. I never realized they were that old. She got it used in the 60's. from who knows where, & of course had to wait till I got there to do laundry. Do you know if it was American made- & who made it?
Jerry
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Post# 36345-3/5/2004-10:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Memories on HGTV (Memories on HGTV)
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry,
I remember these penny's washers - yes just like the hotpoint.
We actually had a late 70's hotpoint with the hand wash adj under the main adj. I did perfer this style as opposed to the ge with the mini basket and filter flo. I never liked all those things that get in the way.
Peter
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Post# 36346-3/5/2004-11:35 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches/timed outlets)
MESSAGE: Carelessly placed power cords and the hot burners ended this feature in the U.S. in the late 70's. Still maybe available on Canadian ranges.
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Post# 36347-3/5/2004-13:33 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: One reason why belt-drive WP/KM can stop the basket and leave the motor running is because of the shifting mechanism involved in spinning. The mechanism has three modes -- neutral (drain), agitate, and spin.
Brands that used reversible motors had no choice but to stop the motor completely. They had only two modes -- agitate or spin, no neutral. The easiest way to do that is to simply have the lid switch kill the main power, which shut off the timer as well. And for even easier wiring, have the lid switch tied in ALL the time, not just during spin -- thus we have the notorious hide-everything-Maytag.
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Post# 36348-3/5/2004-15:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: I checked the original instruction sheet and it was made in New York, New York by the Monitor Equipment Corporation. They also made a floor model "aerator" washer and a unique (maybe semi-automatic) washer called the Prestomat.
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Post# 36349-3/5/2004-16:01 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Memories on HGTV (WhiteWestinghouse)
MESSAGE:
Didn't White-Westinghouse have their version of the Super-Rotoswitl in blue that had a hand washatator underneath?
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Post# 36350-3/5/2004-16:04 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge)
MESSAGE:
Didn't Norge agitate with the lid raised. They used the partial nuetral drain that would energize the spin brake solenoid when the water level switch would reset. If you lefted the lid, the brake solenois would de-energize and stop the basket from spinning. The cat would jump up on the ceiling. The dog would bark. And whomever lifted the lid would be left deaf by the sound of the brake.
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Post# 36351-3/5/2004-17:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge)
MESSAGE: Yup. Neighbors had a Catalina (based on Norge), and I never could get a peep when it was running, the damn brake caught me every time.
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Post# 36352-3/5/2004-17:49 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: I have a Monitor wringer washer that sits on the floor, made in the late 40s/early 50s. It is a fun machine to watch and play with. The intructions say to let it wash about 5 minutes for a "heavy soiled" load. I can see why...the wash action is hard on fabrics and can twist and knot the clothes. I've tried washing towels in it and there is so much lint in the wash water afterwards that it clogs the drain pump. I think if you let this wash for a long period it would eat the clothes. Here's a fun thing to try with yours, Austin: (preferably outside, unless you need to mop the kitchen floor) Fill it just about to the top of the impeller, turn it on and stand back. It is just like Ethel's washer going beserk on that I Love Lucy episode....suds and water everywhere!!! Its like a volcano.
Rich
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Post# 36353-3/5/2004-17:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Memories on HGTV (RE: White Westinghouse "
Spiral"
)
MESSAGE: I do remember the blue Westinghouse agitator, there was a machine on eBay with one (and a recirculating filter with rear lint catcher) about a year ago, I would've bought it if the back wasn't so RUSTED and if it wasn't near me. However, I'm not sure if it had a handwash system or not. These were probably made post-WCI, as this machine was a White-Westinghouse.
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Post# 36354-3/5/2004-17:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: I did the exact same thing with my Monitor.
The day it arrived, I filled it halfway to the top of the propeller, and plugged it in. Water went everywhere. It's amazing that such a small, streamlined propeller can create strong currents and throw water everywhere.
Also, I've had the "knotting" problem with my machine too. But it cleans amazingly, and the clothes washed in it sure are soft when they're dry...
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Post# 36355-3/5/2004-17:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: Rich,
I looked at your photos and noticed you had a Little Whirlpool machine. I have its twin, the Kenmore Jr., made around the same time (50's). Did you have the same pump problem as I did? (frozen bearing and impeller)
Let me know
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Post# 36356-3/5/2004-19:42 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Memories on HGTV (Pencrest)
MESSAGE: I too remember the JC Penney washer line described. Also, Hudsons used to sell major appliances. I remember going to washer shop with my Mom in '79. At the time, Hudsons sold Maytag, Whirlpool and GE. Maytag still had the old control panel, with the timer knob in the center, and water temp/water level push buttons on either side. They still had the stubby, turquoise, 4-vaned agitators. They went for about $400, which my parents weren't willing to spend at the time. They ended up replacing the timer dial on our Kenmore 800 instead. It lasted another 7 years after that.
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Post# 36357-3/5/2004-21:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Memories on HGTV (RE: White Westinghouse )
MESSAGE: Here is a picture of my 68-69 Westinghouse washer with the dual-spiral agitator. They hadn't yet turned blue at this point, but getting lighter from the original black agitators of the mid-60's.
You can see more pics of the Westy top-load in the Westinghouse album of the same Yahoo account.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/June+2003&.dnm=Agitator+Duo.jpg
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Post# 36358-3/6/2004-00:15 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge/Signature)
MESSAGE: And don't forget about Wards Signature washers! We had a 1975 Signature machine and that spin brake sounded like a sonic boom every time it started/ended the spin cycle or if I opened the lid to see what was happening!
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Post# 36359-3/6/2004-05:07 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge/Signature)
MESSAGE: That's one of the reasons I pass by Wards/Norge washers for resale. Too damn noisy,along with limited parts availability.
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Post# 36360-3/6/2004-05:10 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Not as exciting as Greg's TV show debut, but I did make todays newspaper. Not sure if the appliance toys are pictured online but they did print them in the paper.....
www.beaconjournal.com Click on 'Living' on the top header..... March 6th issue Sat. Still so eager to see the HGTV show with you Greg, counting down the hours! Regards,,,,Jimmy FilterFlo
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Post# 36361-3/6/2004-06:24 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
Todays POD (Whirlpool Commercial Washer)
MESSAGE: I was just thinking... The sounds that must have been generated by several Whirlpools, all running at once in a Laundramat... Is it music or ghostly? :-)
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Post# 36362-3/6/2004-07:19 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Commercial Washer) (Today's POD)
MESSAGE: The sounds were wierd, to say the least. The Polyclean Center laundromat/self serve drycleaners that existed in the '60s were Whirlpool stocked. You're right! I'd sneak around & peek into them while running. Betwwen that & the drycleaning solvent odors... that & the fact that there was a bagel bakery right next door and a hair salon, so you can imagine what the place smelled like. When the Whirpools would break down, they'd be sitting half full of water, or they'd be trashed outside the back door. Laundromat life! One of the things I liked were the small boxes of detergent you could buy in the vending machines. Those poor Whirlpools...can you imagine how much abuse the machines would take?...I mean, how many pounds of clothes can you try to load into one? 1 1/2 times the capacity..?
Jerry
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Post# 36363-3/6/2004-07:22 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Monitor, Super Surgilator on ebay today
MESSAGE: There's a Monitor floor model washer with the famous water throwing impeller and a Super Surgilator on ebay today if anyone's interested
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Post# 36364-3/6/2004-08:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Memories on HGTV (Memories on HGTV)
MESSAGE: Yes, but the larger agitator over the smaller one probably reduced effective capacity somewhat. I myself was more partial to the GE style with the mini basket and recirculating filter. Lots of fun drama - and since the washer emptied into the sink, that filter flo pan saved us from many an overflowing sink.....
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Post# 36365-3/6/2004-08:37 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches)
MESSAGE: Glenn - now Whirlpool has joined the "hide everything" ranks. My new WP toploader (which replaced the Maytag top loader which replaced the Amana toploader which replaced the plastic GE toploader) stops all action except fill whenever the lid is raised. See the Sandbox for more comments.....
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Post# 36366-3/6/2004-09:06 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Monitor, Super Surgilator on ebay today
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3279288404&category=1400#ebayphotohosting
This looks like the Monitor washer that my grandmother had.
Mike
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3279288404&category=1400#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 36367-3/6/2004-09:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: Good for you Jimmy - what a great article, and a picture of you online too!
Thanks for the heads up, it's fun to see when our members get a little press!
Here's a link directly to the article...
LINK: http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/living/8121589.htm
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Post# 36368-3/6/2004-10:27 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: I agree ... what a great article and photo-op.
Congrats, Jimmy!!!!!!!!!!! Todd
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Post# 36369-3/6/2004-11:26 ||| Peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Article!)
MESSAGE: What a real great article
Peter
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Post# 36370-3/6/2004-11:43 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Fantastic article. I have seen the collection and it is amazing. Congrats Jimmy!
MK LBC
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Post# 36371-3/6/2004-11:44 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire Laundry Sprinkler (sprinkler)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Did you win the sprinkler?
Mike
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Post# 36372-3/6/2004-13:03 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Congrats Jimmy! Really nice article.I look forward to meeting in in person someday. Thank you for sharing!! Rick Reader- Fort Wayne
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Post# 36373-3/6/2004-13:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Congratulations Jimmy!! That was a great article and picture of you. I really enjoyed reading it.
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Post# 36374-3/6/2004-17:48 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing article Jimmy, what a nice picture! Be careful with the celebrity status,,, you don't want to become so famous that everytime you look through a peephole, there is someone looking back! Don
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Post# 36375-3/6/2004-18:46 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
CONGRATULATIONS JIMMY!
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS!!! Very nice article. Mark
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Post# 36376-3/6/2004-18:57 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (RE: Photos up and running; The Kenmore Jr. Story (Monitor photos))
MESSAGE: HI Austin
Yes, I did. I took the pump out. I keep the Whirlpool on a small white table, so no problem letting gravity drain the tub. I love that little machine. Isn't that the cutest little agitator? Ha! The pump on my Monitor is acting up. I think I can fix it. Works sometimes, but not other times.
Rich
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Post# 36377-3/6/2004-18:57 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: I am soooooo excited!!! I just had to stop and write a few lines to let all you guys know that I have just found a gold mine of classic washers and dryers!!! I've picked up 12 machines already today and am going to get the last 2 machines tomorrow. So far I have an avacado solid tub Speed Queen, TOL. A white Speed Queen TOL I think that is from the 50's (lighted controls dispensers, and all!) A Kelvinator washer that's mint. AND A KELVINATOR SET THAT'S MINT. (both have the lint filters on the centric action agitators) A Hotpoint solid tub with the "Wonder Dial" (and agitator with the little rubber fins on it) that I can't wait to hook up. A 50's Frigidaire set and another Frigidaire washer that I will most likely use for parts, a Frigidaire control tower dryer...and a Maytag AMP. Let you guys know the model numbers when I get a chance tomorrow so we can figure out the dates of manufacture......gonna go get some old Hi-fi consoles from the same guy. He also has bunches of wringers. (Easy twin tub) and more!!! Take Care, Mark
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Post# 36378-3/6/2004-18:59 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Yay Jimmy! My brother and I had one of those too when I was a kid, except smaller with the steering wheel in the middle of the dash. Loved to turn the windshield wipers on. Great picture of you.
Rich
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Post# 36379-3/6/2004-19:09 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Thanks Guys,
MESSAGE: Thanks for the kind words, guys. My 15 minutes of fame.....It is a wonderful feeling when the junk collecting finally gets some notice........Thanks again!
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Post# 36380-3/6/2004-19:09 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Great Article)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I really enjoyed the article. Hope to get out your way soon.
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Post# 36381-3/6/2004-19:11 ||| TrainGuy (Southwestern Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Mark, I'm very happy for you. It's great when someone gets a find like this. Also glad you have the room for all your treasures. Hope to get to meet you someday and see your collection.
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Post# 36382-3/6/2004-19:14 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: The printed article in the newspaper had several pics, one of them being my Reading Deluxe Dream Kitchen, with the Washer/Refrigerator/Dishwasher/and Range. Was hoping those pics would make it online as they were appliance toys, that actually worked!. I think the publishers were a little confused that a boy with car stuff also had a "Dream Kitchen" set as a toy. But Im sure it makes perfect sense to us here in this group, right?
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Post# 36383-3/6/2004-19:50 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Jimmy, congrats. I too had a Playmobile, loved it as much as you. In fact, for a long time, understandable with my eyes, it was the only car I ever thought I'd get to "drive". I wanted this for Christmas, but didn't get it, and had to take out a "loan" from my parents to buy it. The folllowing Christmas, I did get the Jetmobile.
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Post# 36384-3/6/2004-19:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Mark, I'm "verklempft" just reading the post. Some Kelvinator's saved!!!!!! And the Hotpoint, and the Queens, and ..... oy
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Post# 36385-3/6/2004-20:00 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper......
MESSAGE: Yes Jimmy, it made perfect sense to me too. And BTW, the windshield wipers were my favorite part of the Playmobile when running.
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Post# 36386-3/6/2004-20:09 ||| kennywhy (Detroit, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Lucky guy!)
MESSAGE: Your posting was enough to motivate me to write.
That's really great Mark. Congratulations.
You must feel a winning contestant on the old "Queen for a Day" TV show. (A tacky 1950's daytime TV show for you youngsters).
...Joking of course.
Again congrats. Don't get a hernia moving all those machine around your future basement museum!
Ken
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Post# 36387-3/6/2004-22:03 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your new finds! Solid-tub SQs and
mint-condition Kelvinators--I can only imagine! Think
maybe you'll share some photos with us? PLEEEEASE?
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Post# 36388-3/6/2004-22:52 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Mark, what a find, almost like a dream come true. Hope that you will share lots of pictures with us real soon. Will you have these machines in Virgina or Florida? Have fun!! Terry
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Post# 36389-3/6/2004-23:41 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: Hi Mark,
Sounds like you found the Mother Lode of washing machines! Please post pictures when you can; we'd love to see those treasures; especially that Kelvinator set!
Todd
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Post# 36390-3/7/2004-00:31 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry! All of my collection will go into the Wytheville Virginia home when finished in about a year and a half. Of course I'm chomping at the bit to get them hooked up and running! Mark
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Post# 36391-3/7/2004-00:35 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Pictures?)
MESSAGE: As soon as I figure out how to post pictures, I will get them on where you all can see them. Could one of you more experienced guys please email me and tell me step by step, how to do this? I would really appreciate. Right now all the machines are on the Roanoke house carport, but on Tuesday they will leave for storage in Wytheville until the basement is ready for them. Mark
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Post# 36392-3/7/2004-00:37 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Lucky guy!)
MESSAGE: Now Ken, when I get to moving all this stuff, you and Jim have to come down here and help me celebrate! These are the machines that I have been looking for! Can't wait to get them all set up and displayed like they should be. Just a very exciting find! You guys take care! Mark
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Post# 36393-3/7/2004-00:38 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: As soon as I get this all set up we will have to have a Virginia Wash-In! Mark
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Post# 36394-3/7/2004-01:34 ||| Pruitthall (high point, nc)
SUBJECT:
Okay, typical newbie question :)
MESSAGE: Thought I'd ask a question amongst people that KNOW something about appliances. I don't have a 'CLASSIC' appliance, in fact its a 3 year old Maytag Atlantis washer. It's been a good washer, no problems to speak of. BUT, in the past few weeks, the timer is making noise now; set it on any cycle and you can really hear it. I don't know if the timer is going or what, but I do notice if I push down on the area that surrounds the timer, it changes pitch. It seems easy enough to take off this metal 'surround' area, but my question is: How the heck do you take off the timer dial?????? Help! Please!!!
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Post# 36395-3/7/2004-06:27 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (OMG you are so lucky)
MESSAGE: What a haul .. can you give me directions to this place I would love to get the easy twin tub and maybe talk you out of one of them kelvinators LOL ...
Thanks
Philippe
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Post# 36396-3/7/2004-08:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: WOW, Mark what a stroke of luck and such great finds!!. Just out of curiosity,who, what, where, when, how and why??????
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Post# 36397-3/7/2004-11:10 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Found them right here in Roanoke! Met some people the other night that knew a guy that had a "bunch of old washers" in his basement. Got his name and number and left him a message. Two days later he returned my call. Said he wanted to get some of this "junk" out of his basememt. He had worked for an appliance company and couldn't bear to see these old washers get junked especially when there was nothing wrong with most of them. The customers just wanted new ones. I went over to his home and W O W !!! I hit the mother lode!!! He also has some wringers that he wants to get rid of in case anyone is interested. I am going to pick up two old "bullseye" Kenmores today that he has given me. (I don't collect these, but thought someone in the club might want them AND he gave them to me so I couldn't refuse them) I will ask if it is ok to give out his number to guys in the club that are interested in the wringers. He also has lots of old record players and radios both table models and consoles if anyone is interested. Mark
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Post# 36398-3/7/2004-12:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS!
What a great story and interesting collectibles!
--Austin
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Post# 36399-3/7/2004-12:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Okay, typical newbie question :)
MESSAGE: Try the Sandbox.
We try to avoid discussions about non-vintage appliances here.
Otherwise, feel free to browse around!
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox
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Post# 36400-3/7/2004-12:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: WOW!
Congratulations Mark on the excellent finds!
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Post# 36401-3/7/2004-13:33 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (GUESS WHAT I FOUND)
MESSAGE: Mark
This is real Great
Nothing like finding so many at one time
I hope to chat with you soon!
Peter
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Post# 36402-3/7/2004-14:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Great find.I remember my great aunt had a Maytag AMP that my dad found on the loading dock of one of the appliance stores here in town.Used it for years. It sold with the house when she died.
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Post# 36403-3/7/2004-15:58 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Guess what I found)
MESSAGE: Holy cow! So many old appliances in one place. That is great news! Jerry
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Post# 36404-3/7/2004-18:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! Today I picked up two old Kenmore automatics from the same guy that my other stuff came from. I'm pretty sure that one of them is one of THE first Kenmore top loading automatics (that didn't have to be bolted down). The other machine has the "bullseye" type timer dial on the far right. I don't think that either of these machines have lighted controls. I asked him if he minded me giving out his name and phone numbers to the guys in the club and he gave me his permission. If you would like that info please email me at bigrrfan@aol.com He also has some lovely wringer washers. This is what he has:
Norge Wringer in turquoise
Easy wringer with the three cup agitation
Two Easy twin tub spiralator machines
Westinghouse clothes dryer in Coppertone
Westinghouse front Loader
Western Electric Wringer washer
Speed Queen gravity drain Wringer
Frigidaire Fridge (approx. 1952)
Hotpoint Fridge
Servel Gas Fridge
Most of these machines work, and are in pretty good shape for their ages. There is a Philco Wringer that is pretty rusty but someone might want to take it on as a project as you don't see those everyday. Mark
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Post# 36405-3/7/2004-19:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Congrads MARK !!!!!! talk about winning the appliance lottery ............
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Post# 36406-3/7/2004-19:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (lid switches/timed outlets)
MESSAGE: I think newer electric codes prohibit them as well.Power cords too close to hot burners and pots-pan full of liquids-A safety officers bad dream!!It was like the range was being used for extra counter space.If this type of outlet was to be used again-It would seem GFI breakers would have to be incorporated into it.
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Post# 36407-3/7/2004-19:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Speed Queen Overflow Rinse (suds lock)
MESSAGE: Yes I have had my perf tub machines affected by this-and at about the end of "drain-going" to spin-the pump is sucking air as well as the liquid-One can figure at this point the air and water mixture going into the pump will now only generate lots of suds and foam.When this happened to me I just backed off on the amount of detergent.
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Post# 36408-3/7/2004-19:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Wash Action (Norge/Signature)
MESSAGE: The used washer places around in my area are the same-If you want a Norge or an older SQ washer-you are out of luck.They just send the poor machines to the landfill or the baler.I have asked at these places-the owners say I have been the only one asking for such machines(older solid tub Norge or SQ)These were ones I saw or used as a kid-they were in our household at one time or another.I don't remember the loud brake on the Norge we had-just the Comical "burp-up" splashing into the agitator mounted lint filter dish.
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Post# 36409-3/7/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: That is a very lucky and fortunate find-Yes its the deal that people get tired of their machines and just want to get a new one.Sounds like these were "trade in" machines?-ones that were turned into the dealer after the sale had been closed on his new one.Sometimes I run into a Vacuum find sort of like this at vacuum cleaner dealers.There is a washer place here I have been trying to get to-The owner is there part time-and he is not there during or after its rained.All his are outside.He says that he has a "GE filter flow from the 60'" I want to look at and look at his agitator "library" Its not real easy to coordinate with him.
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Post# 36410-3/7/2004-20:51 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Ooo La La! What a find!)
MESSAGE: Mark, I just looked at your emailed pics. What a find! You have some really beautiful machines. You must be very very lucky. Have you played the lottery lately? HA! HA! I especially love those Kelvy's, they are just terrific. Thanks for the pics.
Dennis
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Post# 36411-3/7/2004-21:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Ooo La La! What a find!)
MESSAGE: Also would like to say-Mark has run into a really cool appliance time capsule!!Will any pictures be released to this site-Would be anxoius to see them!!Congrats!!!!!also would be interested to see what kinds of Hi-Fi consoles he found in this collection.It literally sounds like most of these are trapped in time-but in good condition.The previous owner was saving them for someone who would be interested and could use them.
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Post# 36412-3/7/2004-21:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Ooo La La! What a find!)
MESSAGE: Hi Rex! If you'll send me your email address, I'll send you the photos. Mark
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Post# 36413-3/7/2004-21:40 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
HGTV
MESSAGE: I just watched tonight's HGTV segment and saw all the wonderful machines. Some nice close-ups of the 55 Frigidaire in action among others.
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Post# 36414-3/7/2004-21:53 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Hey Remember! (Washing Machines)
MESSAGE: WOW! How cool was that?! We are finally getting recognized for our fantastic interests! That was awesome! God job Gansky1! I loved the demonstration of your Maytag Wringer! That is the first Wringer I have ever seen demonstrated! That was SO COOL! I have made sure that i taped it and have it forever! I had to Tivo it, and have my DVD player record 15 minutes before and after to make sure that I didn't miss a thing, I even made sure that I watched it live! That was AWESOME!
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Post# 36415-3/7/2004-22:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Congrats Greg!
MESSAGE: Hey. I just watched your collection on HGTV! Totally cool or what?
Classic Appliances on national TV!
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Post# 36416-3/7/2004-22:44 ||| Jmm63 (Verona, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats Greg!
MESSAGE: AND, let's not forget to mention how handsome he looks on camera, real movie star material!! :)
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Post# 36417-3/7/2004-23:27 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
finially a frigidaire
MESSAGE: hi all,
on my way to dump off my weekly load of appliances from the condo complex im working on i stumbled on a frigidaire jet action washer and dryer. I'm pretty stoked but i have no clue what year they are or how to fix them.
Of course i took them home, the washer leaks badly when filling, but it does pulsate and spin, i've only tried gentle speed since when i ran it on high speed it threw the breaker but that was on an extention cord on a smaller breaker in the garage.
What i'd like to know is how to take the top off to replace the water valve =)
~Steven ( I finially got a classic! )
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/herbburb
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Post# 36418-3/7/2004-23:41 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Bravo, loved it!! Lots of screen-time you got there, Greg! A call from Hollywood ought to be coming soon. ;-)
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Post# 36419-3/8/2004-00:09 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: finially a frigidaire (Frigidaire washer)
MESSAGE: Congratulations on your acquisition of a 1968 Frigidaire washer and dryer. The washer is model WCDAN and the dryer is model DCDN. Like you I finally acquired a Frigidaire classic a month ago.
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Post# 36420-3/8/2004-00:30 ||| notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
Greg you rock!
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
That was awesome! I feel so normal lol, was that the Kelvinator i saw at John's house in Maryland? =)
~Steven
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Post# 36421-3/8/2004-03:08 ||| filterflo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Wonderful show Greg! Loved It.
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Post# 36422-3/8/2004-06:27 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: FANTASIC SHOW Greg, You did a wonderful job! You "made us all proud"!!!
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Post# 36423-3/8/2004-06:34 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
HGTV
MESSAGE: Wow what celebrities we have going in the club. Hollywood look out. Greg your segment on the washes and detergent were great. Well done. And Jimmy, the article that was in the ohio paper was great too. I had that same deluxe toy when growing up too, loved it and I am always on the look out for another one. Great Job Guys!
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Post# 36424-3/8/2004-07:48 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Mark: Thanks for the pics!
MESSAGE: Fantastic machines! and I'm sure they'll be even
better hooked up and running. Thanks for sending me
the photos!
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Post# 36425-3/8/2004-07:50 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT:
HGTV
MESSAGE: Greg, that was so awesome!!!!--I would love to come to the next wash-in just to play with those westys!!--GREAT JOB
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Post# 36426-3/8/2004-08:22 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Great segment, Greg!! What screen presence you have! It's only a matter of time now before Hollywood comes calling!!!
Anthony
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Post# 36427-3/8/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: WOW Mark, I just looked at the pictures. It looks like you found the motherload of collections. Congratulations!!! Keep us posted, which machine are you going to work on first???? Decisions, Decisions. Inquiring minds must know.
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Post# 36428-3/8/2004-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Yay! )
MESSAGE: Boy, this sure has been an exciting weekend! Wonderful article Jimmy! Thanks for sharing.
Who will be the next famous Applianceviller and on what??? 60 Minutes, Sunday NY Times, CNN Live? This is really fun.
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Post# 36429-3/8/2004-08:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: It was just wonderful to see you on national television Greg! You and your collection looked just fabulous. My favorite line was "Not many people would go as far as Greg to collect and restore these washers".
If we can get copyright permission from the HGTV I would love to digitize the segment and put it in our video library.
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Post# 36430-3/8/2004-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: finially a frigidaire
MESSAGE: Hi Steven, If the washer is fills but is leaking during fill you might not need to replace the water valve, maybe the inlet hose has a hole in it or the vacuum breaker is misaligned. I would suggest watching out on Ebay for the Frigidaire Rollermatic Repair Master book. This will give you about 80%-90% of the info you need. Sounds like if the breaker is poping the clutch might needs some work too.
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Post# 36431-3/8/2004-08:56 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
Hey Remember Greg!
MESSAGE: Great job on HR last night, Greg! Congrats on your 15 minutes of national fame. What is the green '59 washer you are restoring in that footage?
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Post# 36432-3/8/2004-09:27 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays Local Ohio Paper...... (Article!)
MESSAGE: I "second" that Jimmy! What a wonderful writeup! I've already emailed it to a couple of friends!
Morongo Dick
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Post# 36433-3/8/2004-09:38 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Mark, I would love one of the old bullseyes Kenmores.
Dick S. Morongo
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Post# 36434-3/8/2004-09:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: Really amazing Mark, what a haul! I can't wait to see what comes next!
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Post# 36435-3/8/2004-09:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: I loved that line too - we go farther than they would ever imagine! Thanks everyone - it was fun to be on TV! We had a few people over last night and enjoyed the show.
A friend who produces the 10PM news for the local NBC affiliate called today and wants to do a story soon. So now it starts with the paparazzi - I probably won't even be able to buy detergent in peace anymore ;-)
Thanks again everyone - I'm glad we are getting some press now, such fun to see the collections we've worked hard obtaining and restoring come out of the basement and into the limelight, even for a short time!
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Post# 36436-3/8/2004-09:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember Greg!
MESSAGE: It's funny because I've had that 1959 Frigidaire Custom Imperial (multimatic) "in process" for a long time in the garage so we used it for the shooting. I don't have a very nice tub for it so have been dragging my feet getting it done - I guess now that it's famous, I'll have to finish it and put it on a pedestal!
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Post# 36437-3/8/2004-10:45 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV (HGTV)
MESSAGE: What a fantastic collection! Both it and you came off great. The first thing I noticed was the front load Westinghouse laundromat. My mom had one (late 50's) and I would sit and watch it tumble for hours. When my mom would see me doing this, she'd mutter "strange kid...." Little did she know. Thanks for that trip down memory lane.
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Post# 36438-3/8/2004-10:48 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Vintage Appliances on Film
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,
I just picked up from Wal-Mart a cheap DVD set of the old Ozzy and Harriet television show.
At your local Wal-Mart for like $6.00 you can get 20 episodes. Although they cut out all of the commercials, which obviously would have been for Hotpoint and other things there are MANY MANY MANY shots of Harriet's All Hotpoint kitchen. In many episodes it has featured the 1958 washer and dryer. In a few they have 1957 models and later (MAN this show ran forever) they had matching Norge TOL automatics with the full width lighted control board.
For you vacuum lovers, there are several scenes of Kris (Ricky's wife, the lucky beehatch) using a Hoover Model 66 Convertible and one of Harriet using what looks to be either and Electrolux or an Air-Way. All you can see is the hose and wand as she cleans behind a couch.
For car lovers ( sorry have to say it) there are MANY early 60's Chryslers (imperials mostly) to round out a well put together DVD.
Also for sale out of the same batch, is the Beverly Hillbillies DVD with 10 episodes. Im a few they have the earlier TOL automatics with dials, and on a few they have the All Pushbutton set. The commercials have been cut out of this one too.
Just thought that you all may like to hear where you can see some of these early products in print. I wish that they would have just left the commercials in. you can tell exactly where they were too. Just like setting up your hopes then dashing them all in the same minute.
Hope everyone is well.
Chad
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Post# 36439-3/8/2004-10:49 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: It seems like most of the group is located in the Midwest and the East. Are there any West Coasters? Or even Pacific Northwest?
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Post# 36440-3/8/2004-11:00 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Hi,
I am in Long Beach, CA, and know a few others in Southern CA.
MK
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Post# 36441-3/8/2004-11:04 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: What a nice collection. Was great to see the machines in action too.
Mike
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Post# 36442-3/8/2004-11:37 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats Greg!
MESSAGE: nice job Greg !!! great photos, wish it had been a longer segment ..... but nevertheless very cool :)
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Post# 36443-3/8/2004-11:57 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: There are a few in the San Francisco Bay Area.
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Post# 36444-3/8/2004-12:36 ||| Kerryb (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
Need pricing help for Maytag Dutch Oven
MESSAGE: I have a late 40's Maytag Dutch Oven in pretty decent shape (needs a bit of restoration) that I would like to sell. Where can I find some info as to how to price it? I'm located in New Orleans.
Thanks-
Kerry
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Post# 36445-3/8/2004-13:04 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club. I am writing from beautiful Central Point, Oregon.
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Post# 36446-3/8/2004-13:41 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT:
Remember When!
MESSAGE: Thank you so much Greg for sharing your collection with the media and letting us all see it. Your Duomatic is beautiful. I really miss those sights and sounds from my childhood. You did a great job !
Dano (Bendix5)
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Post# 36447-3/8/2004-14:20 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
'65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: I had picked up a '65 Kenmore washer not to long ago in great shape, tried it out over the weekend and it seems to run quite well, except in the very first couple seconds of agitation there is a mild knocking before the tranny seems to "grab" the agitator and then all is fine. Again this is only for literally 1-2 seconds at the very beginning of agitation. I think I may need a new tranny or rebuild it ??? at some point ??? I have only done two loads and they were not overloaded/packed in by any means. Anyone ever have a similar issue ?? -thank you
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Post# 36448-3/8/2004-15:07 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
There is an agitator gear fork in the tranny with a spring that puts downward pressure on the fork assy when it shifts into agitation. The spring might be weak or the slots in the agitate
gear may be rounded so that it doesn't drop down fully. It is fixable but requires removing the top of the tranny It is located beneath the top cover of the tranny. BTW I have located a timer for the 1960 Kenmore dryer I got from you! Let me know if I can be of any further help.
John
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Post# 36449-3/8/2004-15:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Unimatics)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Mark!!!
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw those beautiful Frigidaire Unimatics...and 55 and 56! Lucky you!!! I'm just speechless! The other stuff is cool too...bit the Unimatics ring my bell.
Rich
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Post# 36450-3/8/2004-15:22 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! (Washing Machines) (You da man, Greg!)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg
Very cool show last night! Gary and I watched it and it was so much fun to see someone we know on TV! Especially sharing the bill with your fabulous 55's! I was so excited to see the action shots of the Unimatic. All of your collection looked just stellar on TV...we have a high definition TV and HGTV is a high def channel...you and your appliances looked just great! You did a wonderful job. I recorded it and will watch it many times, I know. How does it feel to be famous??? LOL Can I have your autograph? What did Skyler think when watching it?
Rich
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Post# 36451-3/8/2004-15:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: My Mom called last night. She said her favorite part was the little boy with his face in the frontloader. She said it reminded her of me.
My whole family watched it and most of my friends. They have all called me and told me how neat it was, and made "who would've thought" comments.
I feel VINDICATED! This is legit and FOR REAL! YAY!!!
Thanks so much, Greg, for contacting them and allowing them to film you and your collection.
BTW, that clamshell '61 Filtrator looks pretty nice in the background of the garage!
-ph
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Post# 36452-3/8/2004-15:28 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!!
MESSAGE: That SQ!!! And those Kelvinators!!! You lucky dog you!!! CONGRATS!!!
-ph
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Post# 36453-3/8/2004-15:41 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: Hi, Greg.
It will take it 1-2 seconds after the motor starts to shift into agitate--you'll hear the click of the solenoid when the motor starts and then a pretty good klunk or even kerklunk when the agitator engages. It might be running just fine. I think those belt drive Kenmore/Whirlpools are endlessly amusing for their variety of sounds--no two exactly alike in my experience. As old as yours is, you may be able to hear a faint regular ticking sound while it's spinning--it's the "wig-wag" oscillating solenoid assembly rotating back and forth.
T.
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Post# 36454-3/8/2004-15:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: Yes Greg, I absolutely agree with Coldspot66. Actually the spring on the agitator shaft itself is what tends to get weak and causes the problem. That spring was problematic in the older WP/KN trannys. My '52 Whirlpool had the same issue but worse, it just knocked and would not go into agitation with heavy loads. So I replaced the entire agitator shaft and it works great now.
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Post# 36455-3/8/2004-16:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Too bad I missed it. At 9:18 I remembered and turned it on but I didn't catch the washer segment. Did catch the vintage detergents (Segment of Maytag wringer washer in action has me looking for one!!)
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Post# 36456-3/8/2004-16:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Too bad I missed it. At 9:18 I remembered and turned it on but I didn't catch the washer segment. Did catch the vintage detergents (Segment of Maytag wringer washer in action has me looking for one!!)
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Post# 36457-3/8/2004-16:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV
MESSAGE: Great examples of vintage detergents though!!!!
Congratulations Greg!
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Post# 36458-3/8/2004-17:18 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV (AWESOME!)
MESSAGE:
I just got to see this. Thank God for TiVo. It was very gratifying to watch. It makes me want a Maytag Wringer. I like that they captured some of the sounds the machines were making. Like the clicking of the timer dial when you were setting the "Laundramat"
It only leaves me wanting more.....
MRB
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Post# 36459-3/8/2004-17:33 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '65Kenmore tranny ques??
MESSAGE: thanks for the comments/feedback guys ........
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Post# 36460-3/8/2004-17:57 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
HGTV
MESSAGE: What a great show!!! And for a "newbie" to your site, a great chance to see another kindred spirit. I used to think I was the only one with such interests. As a child (and I will soon be 50), I thought pulsator action was the only automatic action to be had. My mom, grandmother, and aunt all had Frigidaire washers...all 1954-55 models, and used them until the mid 70's. Another aunt had a gray aluminum 1932 Maytag wringer. (She still has it, but has a set of Maytag automatics) Again, thanks for sharing.
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Post# 36461-3/8/2004-20:29 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT:
HGTV
MESSAGE: What was the name of the show? I missed it last night. I slept half past nine and forgot that the show was on.
Chris
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Post# 36462-3/8/2004-20:51 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
Hey Remember!
MESSAGE: Congratulations Greg!!! Your performance was spectacular! I enjoyed seeing your collection, especially those westys, they are neat. You also have a terrific vintage detergent collection. That demonstration with the Maytag was great. I still from time to time love to do a load in one of my Maytag wringers. I have to say that you have definitely put this club "on the map" so to speak (or should I say, "on the tv"). :)
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Post# 36463-3/8/2004-21:20 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Howdy-
Im in Yakima,Washington, 2+hours east of seattle. Drop a line some time!
Rich-
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Post# 36464-3/8/2004-21:20 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Howdy-
Im in Yakima,Washington, 2+hours east of seattle. Drop a line some time!
Rich-
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Post# 36465-3/9/2004-03:13 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: HGTV (HGTV )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
I just finished watching the hgtv movie.
Real Real Great
U are a Big Star
You and those washers are going to Hollywood
Best wishes
Peter
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Post# 36466-3/9/2004-07:56 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Well here is a "hello" to you slapnslosh from another west coast member in southern California outside of Palm Springs. I tend to agree with you. There aren't that many of us out here on the west coast. Dick
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Post# 36467-3/9/2004-10:57 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans?
MESSAGE: Greetings from the north up here in sunny (well, today it is!) Vancouver, B.C. Canada!
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Post# 36468-3/9/2004-13:06 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (Great Southwest)
MESSAGE: And hello from Phoenix in the Valley of the Sun! We should try to coordinate a convention some time for us folks way out west!
Todd
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Post# 36469-3/9/2004-14:22 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: Kick my Directv receiver into my Kenmore wringer!
I've set my DVT and VCR and double check to make sure all was set before I went to Boston to pick up a Kenmore wringer washer, and when I got home 12:30 AM, I had to fight with the garbage in front of the building before the Sanitation truck on the midnight shift take one look and pass us by because the cans were snow coned (over filled). So I parked my car, took the machine into the basement, went upstairs and talked to a good friend in Florida trying to get his PC up and running and by 3:00 AM, I turn on the VCR fast forward the Soprano's to see the HGTV segment and all I've got was
*Curb Your Enthusiasm.* This is so cruel that I have to shout nasty words to get that stain out of my underpants!
LOL.
Overall I did enjoy my day in Boston, I have a nice machine and I wished that I could have seen that program to complete my weekend! Right now, I'm keeping an eye for the repeat even though I missed it!
Now, if anybody is looking for a GE double electic oven with the buttons on the rear in mint condition, click on the link below and ask the seller to send you photos of the unit!
Paul is great and willing to work with you!
Thanks for sharing!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3274804212&category=42232&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1
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Post# 36470-3/9/2004-16:03 ||| Neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
Newbie
MESSAGE: Hello everyone!!! I wanted to introduce myself as I have just signed up on your wonderful site. Like all of you I am fascinated with appliances and especially the ones I remember growing up with as a child. I have been visiting this site for the last few weeks and have been totally impressed with you guys. I always thought I was alone in my like...errr ....love of appliances. It is so nice to see other people out there with the same enthusiasm I have. I wish space would allow me to start collecting some vintage appliances, but alas it does not. So I shall have to live the experience through you guys...that is if it alright with you. Well I hope to talk with you's soon.
Christopher
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Post# 36471-3/9/2004-16:16 ||| Spotless (kentucky)
SUBJECT:
old wringer washer
MESSAGE: This is a great site! I didn't even know there was sucha thing as an appliance club. Excellent! What a great place to learn about all those beautiful vintage creations from all of you professionals. All I can recall is my mother's old wringer washer and how I would try to force my poor old Barbie doll(now she's worth a small fortune) in between the rollers! Classic...
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Post# 36472-3/9/2004-16:17 ||| Spotless (kentucky)
SUBJECT:
old wringer washer
MESSAGE: This is a great site! I didn't even know there was sucha thing as an appliance club. Excellent! What a great place to learn about all those beautiful vintage creations from all of you professionals. All I can recall is my mother's old wringer washer and how I would try to force my poor old Barbie doll(now she's worth a small fortune) in between the rollers! Classic...
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Post# 36473-3/9/2004-17:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: That wringer washer looks so cool - a chubby wringer. "The washing isn't done until the fat lady wrings." ;-)
Too bad you didn't know it, but the episode ran again at 2AM ET on HGTV. You can check the website for the episodes now and then, I don't think the "season" for Hey Remember is all that long so the repeats should be coming around again soon.
Here is the HGTV/Hey Remember episode list.
LINK: http://www.hgtv.com/hgtv/episode_archive/0,1783,HGTV_11739_256,00.html
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Post# 36474-3/9/2004-17:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: I very recently picked up a '67 Frig Rapidry1000 Wshr and tried it out. Well the hot water runs constantly so obviously a bad seal or solenoid ...... secondly, the inner solid tub does NOT hold water at all, it leaks during fill but leaks even twice as fast during agitation where all the water leaking into the outer tub (less than a minute) gets pumped out, the outer tub does NOT leak and there is no signs of water leakage under the machine. So my guess is the outer bellows ???
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Post# 36475-3/9/2004-18:17 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
OLD AGITATORS
MESSAGE: Evening to all,
I am trying to clean out my basement workshop and have come across
some agitators someone might want. I have 2 black roto-swirls ( one bakelite for the hex shaped drive block and one with the splined top to go directly on the tranny shaft. I also have a few ge 18lb white spiral agitators with mini wash tubs and filter pans. I also have a white roto-swirl for the splined tranny shaft.
If anyone is interested you can email me. Email adress is in my profile.
Thanks,
John
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Post# 36476-3/9/2004-18:21 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: hey greg,
Sounds like you have a ruptured inlet valve, which isn't a big deal to replace; but finding a water bellows might be tricky. I think you also need the bellows clamp tool to remove the old and put on the new. They can be tricky to work with. If you decide to junk it, I have been looking for one to use as a spinner only. Keep me posted
Thanks,
John
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Post# 36477-3/9/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OLD AGITATORS (Interesting...)
MESSAGE: Nice old agitators you have.
I might email you within a day or two if you can send me pics of these, since the Roto-Swirls are just plain collectible and I might need a GE mini-wash agitator assembly for a future Filter-Flo...
Contact me at westytoploader@yahoo.com
--Austin
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Post# 36478-3/9/2004-20:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: Hi there.
Does anyone have information on the avocado green Maytag Porta-Pair washer I recently bought? I bought it off eBay about 2-3 weeks ago and it is a K-A-50 Model # 397845-MU. The seller was selling the whole set, but I asked for the washer only. From my knowledge, Maytag introduced the Porta-Pair in 1968 for trailers, apartments, etc. It has two wash propellers (4 vanes; longer than other wash propellers, with "splash guard" above them) and a separate spin basket. This is not the first one I've seen on eBay, but they do seem quite rare, so I went ahead and bought it (I decided between this and a Hoover washer from the early-mid 60's that was for sale at the same time, but the Hoover's seller didn't want to ship...). That's all I know about this machine. If anyone has any information they would like to share, let me know.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3800606055&category=20714&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1
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Post# 36479-3/9/2004-20:36 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: OLD AGITATORS (Old Roto-Swirl Caps)
MESSAGE: Speaking again of the old Roto-Swirls, I remember my grandmother's old Kenmore (it must have been from the '50s), since it looked so much older than my Mom's '70 Kenmore 800 at the time. It had a black Roto-Swirl agitator, but I remember one other feature. The agitator cap was made of short black rubber strands, onto which a see-through plastic detergent measuring cup was fastened. Does anyone remember this?
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Post# 36480-3/9/2004-20:56 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: OLD AGITATORS (Old Roto-Swirl Caps)
MESSAGE: I remember these. The agitator caps were "nubbed". This was supposed to be used as a pre-scrubber......
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Post# 36481-3/9/2004-20:58 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I have the program on tape and would be glad to send anyone a copy who missed it...reply to this and I will e-mail you contact information.
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Post# 36482-3/9/2004-21:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, there is a water bellows that will fit on ebay right now...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3802133555&category=20714
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Post# 36483-3/9/2004-21:38 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
opening up a 68 frigidaire
MESSAGE: hi all,
This is notafixers new name, i was wondering if someone could aid me in examining the fill valve on the 68 frigidaire set i brought home, i don't even know how to take the top of the machine off =)
Thanks!
~Steven
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Post# 36484-3/9/2004-21:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: I had one of the machines, they are fun to play with. What infomation do you need? I have some service and parts information should you have questions about repairs, etc. When I found mine several years ago, some parts were still available through Maytag. Have you called Maytag to see if you can get a copy of the owner's manual?
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Post# 36485-3/9/2004-21:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
'56 GE Mobile Maid DW
MESSAGE: I re-installed the timer into my ' 56 GE Mobile Maid dishwasher this evening and it works great, I even got the wiring right first try, YAY !! , still a minor leak underneath and probably needs a new gasket on the top where the lid shuts or adjust the lid so it closes tighter. I am psyched, .... its VERY loud ......the funniest part was the fill hose burst right in the middle of the cycle as I was leaning down in front of it ................ scared the s*&% out of me and I got soaked .......... was comical though ........ If anyone needs a timer, I highly recommend T & E Timers in Madison Heights, MI ........ "Tom" was a big help to me. I had to send in the whole original and he rebuilt it and did a fantastic job. I had first tried Midwest Timer and they did not have a replacement nor were they very friendly or helpful to say the least.
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Post# 36486-3/9/2004-22:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
First of all, just wanted to congratulate you on HGTV; and the Maytag wringer demo has me looking for one! There's just something about the strong currents a Maytag wringer makes...
I haven't called Maytag yet; I didn't realize owner's manuals were still available for a machine like this. The only information I was looking for was what year it was made, how the propellers worked, etc. It's good that you have service & parts information; when something breaks on it I can post it here. I'm still waiting on delivery; I can't wait to play with it!!! This is the first Avocado Green portable I've looked at on eBay, although I have seen many white machines and one harvest gold. Just by appearance, it seems the avocado machines are the oldest and white the newest (made until 1982).
Let me know about the year and how it washes!
--Austin
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Post# 36487-3/9/2004-22:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: no chance of my junking it (wink-smiling) ...... yea, I can fix the inlet valve no prob ..... and I have a few extra water bellows and even a pair of clamps, hopefully both the clamps and the water bellows I have fit this year machine. It will work out ........
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Post# 36488-3/9/2004-22:07 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I would love to have a copy of that show! I missed it. My email address is: bigrrfan@aol.com Thanks, Mark
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Post# 36489-3/9/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I would also like to have a copy of the show (missed the Washers part but did catch the Detergents part).
Email me at westytoploader@yahoo.com
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 36490-3/9/2004-22:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig Wshr RAPIDRY1000 ques??
MESSAGE: thanks Robert, I actually already have a couple of those so I think I am allset, I just need to borrow someones clamps, otherwise I don't know how I will get them back on unless I get a helping hand, I did it that way once before ......
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Post# 36491-3/9/2004-22:37 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RAPIDRY1000 "oh another thing"
MESSAGE: takes a LLLOOOOONNNNNGGGGG time to get up to speed on spin ... but still does ....... so if I replace the water bellows for now ....... It should do fine for awhile .........
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Post# 36492-3/9/2004-23:19 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: Hi
I would like a copy of the tape. Don't have cable. Please email me at rapidry1000@yahoo.com
Thanks in advance
Jim
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Post# 36493-3/10/2004-00:36 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Thanks to all who replied. It's good to know there are kin nearby. Washerlover suggested a convention. Sounds like fun, but where to host (and how, for that matter!)
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Post# 36494-3/10/2004-00:41 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (CleanteamofNY's new wringer.)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link showing your new acquisition! What an unusual looking wringer. I've never seen one quite like it. It kind of looks like the Michelin Man (the one made of tires). What's with the steel bars around the wringers? Are those some sort of safety feature? I can't quite tell, but are there three rollers rather than the usual two? When can I come to Brooklyn with some dirty laundry? (Wringers are my favorite machines).
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Post# 36495-3/10/2004-00:43 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Newbie (Newbie)
MESSAGE: Hello Christopher. Welcome. Just read you profile. Loved the story about 1 cup of Tide for one dirty rag.
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Post# 36496-3/10/2004-00:48 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: old wringer washer (Spotless-- old wringer washer)
MESSAGE: Great story about the Barbie. My best friend's mother owned a wringer when I was a kid and they were a military family and shopped on base. For some reason, they had bought a case of toothpaste (good buy?) and Scott and I had a blast feeding the tubes through the wringer to watch that big ribbon of toothpaste fly across the floor. We also got our asses beaten for it.
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Post# 36497-3/10/2004-04:55 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: finially a frigidaire (Frigidaire washer)
MESSAGE: Post the model #.I've worked on a lot of those old Frigidaires over the years,and I'll help anyway I can.
A lot of the Frigidaires said Jet Action,not just the 68 models.
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Post# 36498-3/10/2004-05:02 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: opening up a 68 frigidaire
MESSAGE: IIRC,there are 2 clips that hold the top on.They are located in the front.Push in on them,and pull up the front of the top at the same time.Then pull the top forward,to release to from the rear.
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Post# 36499-3/10/2004-05:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (West Coasters)
MESSAGE: Yep, I'm in Los Angeles
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Post# 36500-3/10/2004-06:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I missed it too, a tape copy would be great
trolley717@comcast.net
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Post# 36501-3/10/2004-06:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Hey Remember!
MESSAGE: So they did segment on dishwashers? How'd we miss that?
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Post# 36502-3/10/2004-07:26 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Porta-Pair Washer
MESSAGE: I remember that Dryer when I was a kid. We had that in our home (I repaired it twice, once the fan belt and second the drum belt). We had it over 17 years, did a great job. Didn't have the wiring for a full size dryer. Very quiet. Simple to use.
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Post# 36503-3/10/2004-08:25 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Newbie (Newbie)
MESSAGE:
Thanks for the welcome Doug. Yeah mom wasnt too happy with me after the rag incident.Needless to say every time I made for the basement door I'd hear "Where are you going and what are you planning to do down there?" She'd burst my bubble every time. But thanks again for the welcome.
Chris
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Post# 36504-3/10/2004-15:17 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: old wringer washer (Spotless-- old wringer washer)
MESSAGE:
Sniff -- Sniff GOOD TIMES!!!!
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Post# 36505-3/10/2004-17:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
VINTAGE WESTY DRYER ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Now this one's a beauty! White, with window in front. In NEAR MINT UNRESTORED condition and works great. I'm guessing mid 50's. Seller stated that this machine hadn't been used much. If anyone's looking for a cheap ($100 NO RESERVE) near-mint Westinghouse dryer don't miss out on this one!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3280504093&category=1400
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Post# 36506-3/10/2004-18:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Pink 1963 Kenmore Dryer For Sale
MESSAGE: Its in Oklahoma, If interested, please contact: Loftytrends@aol.com
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Post# 36507-3/10/2004-18:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pink 1963 Kenmore Dryer For Sale
MESSAGE: Ooooo, nice-looking dryer.
Too bad they don't have the matching washer...:(
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Post# 36508-3/10/2004-21:51 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Yeah, coordinating a convention/wash-in would be tough for us, but I would be happy to have one over here in sunny Arizona! I only have three working machines (still struggling with my '66 Frigidaire Custom Deluxe clutch) so it wouldn't be much. Just a thought.
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Post# 36509-3/11/2004-00:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Early GE Automatic Washer--1947
MESSAGE: What ever happened to the first GE Automatic washer from 1947? It had a 1140 RPM spin, one of the fastest (besides the Frigidaire, of course) spins available at the time. Was it unreliable, or just unpopular?
Also, it would've been neat if Frigidaire made wringer washers...a pulsating wringer would be loads of fun!!!
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Post# 36510-3/11/2004-00:43 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq.......
MESSAGE: For those of you on the west coast, this one is for you!
What a shame that this pair is not on the east coast......
Oh well, one my come my way in better condition than the one I've picked up last week from a church down the block from where I live. The ole girl is in bad shape!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3803276445&category=42232
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Post# 36511-3/11/2004-02:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hey Remember! Washing Machine segment on this week! (So mad that I can.......)
MESSAGE: I would love a copy of that tape: foraloysius@planet.nl
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Post# 36512-3/11/2004-02:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq.......
MESSAGE: And they ship worldwide...
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Post# 36513-3/11/2004-02:42 ||| Erkjoey (Los Angeles, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: I'm in Long Beach, CA area! But only have one washer/dryer set to share. After construction on my house is complete, you're all welcome to come over. Hope everyone is doing well!
Erik
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Post# 36514-3/11/2004-02:47 ||| Erkjoey (Los Angeles, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (eBay Kenmore 800 pair in Turq)
MESSAGE: OK! Now I may have two sets to share! These are the model above the 63 Kenmore we had growing up. Going to keep close eye on them.
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Post# 36515-3/11/2004-04:47 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT:
Pink Fridgidaire dishwasher on eBay
MESSAGE: Have you guys seen this?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20713&item=3803366027
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Post# 36516-3/11/2004-06:00 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin
I have never heard of a wringer washer by Frigidaire, but I have something pretty close - a 1957 (approx) manually operated Frigidaire washer. It was made here in Australia, in Dandenong only a half hour drive from where I grew up. Its only control is a knob to select pulsate/off/spin. Not even a clockwork timer to shut it off after a time. You fill it manually with a hose from the taps at the sink to a spout in the top of the machine. Turn on the taps, it fills.
It still works perfectly and I now have a few spare parts to keep it in action.
best wishes
apologies to those who have seen it before...
Chris
LINK: http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gizmo_au63/album?.dir=/Frigidaire+WM11&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/gizmo_au63
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Post# 36517-3/11/2004-07:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq.......
MESSAGE: If this was near the Houston area I'd be there in a split second! Nice-looking pair. What kind of agitator is this? It looks like a Roto-Swirl, but I'm not sure...
--Austin
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Post# 36518-3/11/2004-07:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Nice-looking machine; I didn't even have to look at the controls to tell it was a Pulsamatic. This might have been a "portable" machine they offered, but I don't know. I didn't even realize Frigidaire made such a machine, since the only washers they made (until this one) were automatic washers. Now I know....
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Post# 36519-3/11/2004-07:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin
No, certainly not portable. You'd get a hernia trying to move it.
Australia in the 1950's was not as wealthy a country as USA, people here were happy with manually operated and only the rich would spend the extra on an automatic machine. This Frigidaire would have been fairly high up the ladder, there were wringer washers and twin tubs for less money. Hoover had a single tub washer with a hand cranked wringer on top as an optional extra! Even in the sixties, cheaper new houses were still being built with a wood-heated copper for doing the washing - just a boiler, no moving parts, just elbow grease.
Chris.
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Post# 36520-3/11/2004-08:30 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Vintage Dryer
MESSAGE: If anyone is interested, there is a vintage Westinghouse electric dryer on e-bay. Item number 3280504093.
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Post# 36521-3/11/2004-13:50 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?)
MESSAGE: well guy`s got the washer home,but it makes a terrible rattle noise and i think it might be the spintubr bearings.i tore it a part and the spin tube does have a silght little groove in it nothing deep and it cleaned up nice,it has a regular super surgulator which i`m going to change to the double duty one.i`m also going to change the tube ring so i can put a manual filter on it,but the noise was still there so i figure by looking at it`s inner workings it must be the bearings,anyone with feedback on this problem would be helpful.
thanks,
rock
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Post# 36522-3/11/2004-16:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: Yes, in my earlier appliance-obsession days, I remember seeing someone in this group with a single-tub Hoover wringer (forgot who it was). Also, there was a single-tub Hoover on eBay from the 1950's not too long ago. I thought about buying it, but the seller never answered my emails, so I didn't know if it worked. I ended up buying a late 1960's-early 1970's working Maytag portable instead.
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Post# 36523-3/11/2004-16:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: opening up a 68 frigidaire (thnx)
MESSAGE: thank you Rick, that is helpful to me as well ...........
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Post# 36524-3/11/2004-16:51 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (wow)
MESSAGE: NICE !!!!, I just got the same dryer in white ..........
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Post# 36525-3/11/2004-16:56 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?)
MESSAGE: rattle noise , right ?? not a grinding ??, I have the same machine and along with it needing a new tranny, I had to do the whole spin tube, basket drive replacement as well ...... along with others in here, "kenmore1978" was very helpful to me at one time with advice and instructions on how to fix/tear down a WP or Knmr washer .........
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Post# 36526-3/11/2004-18:19 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl)
MESSAGE: It looks like a roto-swirl to me....and has the plastic detergent measuring cup on the agitator cap that I referenced a few nights ago. My grandmother had the same set-up in her washer, including the same bleach/fs dispenser on the left. I think hers was a little older.
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Post# 36527-3/11/2004-19:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl)
MESSAGE: Truely a nice looking set of machines-Also with the agitators cap-is there a scrubbing pad mounted on the top of the agitator under the measuring cup cap?In the instruction manuals part of this site-they show a Kenmore washer sort of like this that had the rubber scrubber pad on the agitator top under the cup.You could use it to scrub spots or stains on clothes.I would be very nice to have a pair like these.I'll just have to keep looking around here. All I have been able to find is machines that date to the 70's.I am trying to rewind back further in time!!One source found a Kenmore 800 but he said it was unsalvagable.-the tranny was bad and the tub was corroded.He was going to get me the agitator from it.
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Post# 36528-3/11/2004-19:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: The blue one looked like the ones in the 70's vintage laundramat that was in the apartment house I lived in at that time-Early 70's.Was a very nice machine.Wish I had one today.
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Post# 36529-3/11/2004-19:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Portable Spin-Dry Washers
MESSAGE: Just thought of this since I need to do a monthly Monitor load tomorrow...what appliance manufacturers made portable spin-dry washers with propeller wash action? Hoover and Maytag portables are probably the most common, but they're not the only ones out there I believe.
Also, Mark (lightedcontrols), do you have any pics of your rare Westy front-loading wringer? I sure would like to see it.
--Austin
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Post# 36530-3/11/2004-19:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: Like the bright-orange SQ...it's probably the best-looking out of all three.
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Post# 36531-3/11/2004-20:05 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl-Yes it is a Roto-Swirl)
MESSAGE: Yes I can see it is the 2nd design Roto-Swirl (1960's) with the lines that extend up to the cap.My 1965 800 has the same Roto-Swirl. I peeled back the rubber snubber from the cap on mine,and under it was a like new attractive black regular cap.My opinion is that this cap is much better looking than the cheap looking white plastic cup,or the gray rubber scrubber thing under it.
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Post# 36532-3/11/2004-20:23 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: These coin-ops are gorgeous. Unfortunately, I've never had the
pleasure of using turquoise or orange machines, but I've been
to many laundromats with harvest gold SQs, some with bell-shaped agitator caps marking the fill line. If you ask me, it's time to bring back the cool colors! We've suffered through too many years of neutrality!
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Post# 36533-3/11/2004-20:29 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: almond--YUK!! I'm with you on that!! Throw some REAL chrome and lights on the control panel,some nice bright pastel colors,and I might even like a few modern appliances! (: Until that time I'll stay in "belt drive" heaven.
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Post# 36534-3/11/2004-20:59 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I show the pic to a friend, he said they had those machines near the campus when he attended UT years ago. He thought at the time it was a special paint job - didn't realize it was a factory color selection.
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Post# 36535-3/11/2004-21:05 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (eBay Kenmore 800 pair in Turq - Go For It!)
MESSAGE: Those two machines are beautiful! They appear to be 1963. I have the same set in coppertone, circa 1964. Best of luck bidding and keep us posted if you ever do have a wash-in!
Todd
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Post# 36536-3/11/2004-21:07 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (roto-swirl-Yes it is a Roto-Swirl)
MESSAGE: But the rubber scrubber has that lovely "K" insignia on it! (my scrubber was in horrible shape; the previous owners never took the detergent cup off so it had melded/melted to the scrubber. took some careful peeling to get it off.) You're right, under that scrubber is a shiny like-new cap.
Todd
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Post# 36537-3/11/2004-22:32 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?)
MESSAGE: Is it noisey in the agitate/drain or in the spin? If you put it into spin and the noise goes away, the drive pulley bearing on the basket drive assm. is probably bad. If the clutch is putting pressure on the drive pulley, like it does when it is in spin, it usually limits the play in the bearing and is quieter.
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Post# 36538-3/12/2004-00:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: I can remember when the machine went to the rinse mode-the overflow rinse-the chromed metal agitator cap was all that you would see sticking up out of the water.It was impressive-and in spin-that water was gone NOW!!Yes the White and black is Boooring-Bring back the colors.The machines were all the blue color.Excactly like the one in that POD.They had the large 30Lb or more dryers in the main laundry room.On each floor they had 2 laundry rooms that had two washers and two dryers(standard size)
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Post# 36539-3/12/2004-05:33 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT:
2 Frigidaire's
MESSAGE: Greeting Appliance Fans
I have to make some room for a business venture and at this time I have a 1/18 Frigidaire in fair shape its running and a 1967 Jet Action rapid dry in better shape up for grabs … I will not have time to play with them or restore them so I would rather see them go to people who appreciate them . Not a yahoo person so can send pictures of machines if you’re interested.
Thanks and happy washing to all
Philippe
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Post# 36540-3/12/2004-08:12 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Portable Spin-Dry Washers
MESSAGE: Nope, don't have any photos at present. When I get moved and set up, I'll get some photos to you. Kind of neet though. Has a copper tub that is removable but heavy. I've never had water in it. BUT....one of these days I'll get it set up and going. Take Care, Mark
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Post# 36541-3/12/2004-13:01 ||| mrsee (Ft Worth Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2002 convention (Convention)
MESSAGE: Hello I would like to attend the convention this year, Please send me any information Sir.
Thank you very much.
S.E. Elleby
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Post# 36542-3/12/2004-14:09 ||| mrsee (Ft Worth Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 2002 convention (Convention)
MESSAGE: MY E is mail is
mrsee@aol.com
I am wanting any convention information.
Thanks
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Post# 36543-3/12/2004-18:23 ||| Petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (cool colors)
MESSAGE: I agree that these colors have a lot of character. I was almost happy to see white-on-white appliances come into style just for the sake of pushing "almond" to the side. If I see one more almond appliance, I'll lose my lunch.
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Post# 36544-3/12/2004-18:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: Yes, I think we've seen too many almond and white appliances. Time to go back to Harvest Gold, Avocado Green, Coppertone, Turquoise, just like the good old days...Another thing, ditch direct-drive and go back to the tried-and-true belt drive mechanism (apparently SQ has stuck with Belt-Drive which is the way to go; when our washer quits, I will DEFINITELY suggest a SQ.) I'm afraid to overload my '98 Kenmore DD with a queen-size quilt/comforter because it might screw up the whole transmission.
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Post# 36545-3/12/2004-23:02 ||| Leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT:
Easy Whirldry ??????
MESSAGE: I have an Easy Whirldry Washing Machine. It was made by Syracuse Washing Machine Corp, in Syracuse, NEW YORK? Model Number: H-47 Serial Number: 34964 Voltage: 115 Amperes: 1.9
Cycle: AC DC Gearbox Number: D-100002
It was dusty and dirty. When i started cleaning it up. It's like new. It couldn't have done more than 10 loads - maybe only a few. I took the belt off and pluged it in. The motor is so quite i couldn't hear it with the ceiling fan on. At first the gearbox was a little tight. I added some fresh oil and started working it back and forth. Put the belt on and it runs. It's the cutest thing i have ever seen. Does anyone have any information on whirldry washers.
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Post# 36546-3/12/2004-23:51 ||| Sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
? About a Signature Washer
MESSAGE: I have the opportunity to acquire a vintage Signature round washing machine that is pink and white porcelain with a turquoise agitator. It has the wringer on the top like the one in photo collection (blue porcelain one)on this site.
I am not sure of the model number. It is very big (not a tabletop model). It is in like new condition-I swear it was never used. I am wondering about the worth of much an item and if it is worth me getting to collect.
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Post# 36547-3/13/2004-00:48 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ??????
MESSAGE: I own an Easy Spindrier and am wondering if yours and mine are different variations or models. Do you have a photo of it? Does it have a main washtub and a smaller perforated tub for rinsing and spinning?
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Post# 36548-3/13/2004-03:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: eBay Kenmore 800 pair inTurq....... (scrubber cap)
MESSAGE: I wonder if that scrubber cap is stil available new? They Sears used it for a number of years
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Post# 36549-3/13/2004-05:52 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Early GE Automatic Washer--1947 (Frigidaire - not a wringer but nearly)
MESSAGE: What a fascinating machine! I've never seen one like it before. I think that it's great that you were able to save it! :-) Thanks for sharing, Chris.
Mike
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Post# 36550-3/13/2004-07:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ??????
MESSAGE: The Whirldry was Easy's tabletop 2-in-1 spin-drying washer (hence the name Whirldry), made sometime around the 1950's. At the time, they also made wringer and full-size spinner machines. It was advertised for small loads, diapers, etc. To my knowledge, it had an aluminum tub mounted on a white plastic base. Inside the main tub was a smaller perforated agitub (one piece agitator/tub) where the washing/spinning was done. For any more information, ask the more experienced collectors here. These machines are quite rare (even rarer than the floor-standing spin-drying washers), so hang on to yours. You will probably not see one again in another lifetime.
--Austin
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Post# 36551-3/13/2004-10:27 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (photo)
MESSAGE: Its short, maybe 2.5 feet high. I am not set up to post pictures anywhere. Do you have a picture of yours. how does one find info on it. It's in unbelieveable condition. I intended on selling it. Then i saw it run. Now i don't know.
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Post# 36552-3/13/2004-10:38 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Whirldry)
MESSAGE: I have searched for hours and found hour pictures or other whirldry washers, and a lot ADS for literature. Is it possible to get an owners manual? Thanks Austin
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Post# 36553-3/13/2004-12:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
Dutch Household Show
MESSAGE: There is a Household Show in Amsterdam every year. It used to be a show where new appliances and also new gadgets were introduced. A lot of attention was given to items for people who lived in small apartments, I guess it was a challenge to make products for small spaces. Unfortunately the show is lately more a Funshopping than a real Household Show.
Anyway, the Polygoon Journaal (the makers of the cinema news bulletins) had an item every year about it and some of them are online now. The first show was called Lady's Show (what were they thinking?) and was probably held shortly before WWII. That movie doesn't have sound. The other movies have comments in dutch, but most of the time it's quite obvious what it's about
Some interesting things:
On the 9th show (1953) there is the introduction of a toploading dishwasher and also the demonstration of a already for that time very oldfashioned looking twintub.
The 12th show (1957) had the introduction of the Constructa washing machines (Real One file doesn't work on this one).
The 14th (1959) had the introduction of a new fridge from General Electric (!), the 16th of a washer/dryer combo of which I havedn't identified the brand yet, while the 20th show had a Constructa demo model of their dishwasher.
Hope you all like the short movies!
Louis
LINK: http://www.beeldengeluid.nl/template_subnav.jsp?navname=polygoon_themas&category=collectie_informatie&artid=9984
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Post# 36554-3/13/2004-13:18 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: I think i am putting it on ebay. I have owned it for almost 15 years and never touched it. It was preserved on a dry wood floor, above an old gargage - dry floor and dry heat. I am always amazed by the difference a wood floor makes in preserving anything. I don't want to sell it, but I sort of have to, depending on what it's worth. If i do put in on ebay, would it be ok to use some of your posted describtion. I can not seem to find any info anywhere. Thanks
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Post# 36555-3/13/2004-18:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: No problem whatsoever.
I think I might even bid on it...:)\
--Austin
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Post# 36556-3/13/2004-18:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: Also, just to give you an idea of what one's worth, there was a Winchester Whirldry machine on eBay about 2 years ago. The seller didn't know if it worked, and it had a little rust. It sold for $100.
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Post# 36557-3/13/2004-18:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: Also, just to give you an idea of what one's worth, there was a Winchester Whirldry machine on eBay about 2 years ago. The seller didn't know if it worked, and it had a little rust. It sold for $100.
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Post# 36558-3/13/2004-19:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I might be wrong, but aren't Amana machines belt-drive as well?
They did keep the regular vane agitator instead of switching over to the Dual-Action like everyone else did.
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Post# 36559-3/13/2004-20:01 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: GUESS WHAT I FOUND!!! (Guess What I Found?)
MESSAGE: Wow....that's all I have to say about your basement discovery. Those machines look like they're in great shape, and a few machines I've never seen before, like the white Speed Queen and one of the Frigidaires. I just opened my email today...late as usual. Thanks so much for sharing them with us, and lots of luck getting them up and running
Jerry
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Post# 36560-3/13/2004-20:44 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
HGTV
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it's only taken a week for me to comment on the HGTV spot. I was really impressed with the segment, and your machines... and the state of your basement museum for that matter. They did a great job putting the show together, the color was super. Stuff like that just validates the fact that people collect EVERYTHING, and why not a collection of old washing machines and detergent. And, as the guy on Collector Cars says, "Don't crush it, restore it".
Jerry
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Post# 36561-3/13/2004-20:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Picked up a Kelvinator Washer model WAG5B today along with a Philco Washer model # (very hard to read) but I think it was either a W205,265, or 285 ........ serial #6102 ....... HOWEVER, both machines are in really rough shape, lots of surface rust, chrome all shot, have been sitting in a barn with holes in the roof for 30+ years, ........ the consoles on both are intact, not broken, chipped or cracked and knobs are present, inside solid tubs on both are in good shape. The Kelvi, a bottom of the line model I think, with a dial on the right and switch for hot/warm; period; no window lid, and has a black plastic agitator with red cap. The Philco has an aluminum? straight-3-vane agitator. They are filthy and will be a major undertaking if even possible. I truly hesitated on taking them, not to mention that some of the other machines that were in this barn like a couple bendix and a turquoise norge. But they were in worse shape, metal rusted right thru ......... so sad ............ one of the bendix had a rubber tub which was all torn up inside and the knobs completely rusted/discolored. It was truly frustrating to see all these machines rotting away that had been here for so long unnoticed. Apparently the previous owner never through out anything. I may go back and salvage a couple other machines for parts ......... nevertheless I am still happy to have found the two I took and will do everything I can to bring them back if possible :)
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Post# 36562-3/13/2004-21:01 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: Yes, Amana machines are still belt-drive. In the appliance stores in Michigan, they are built identically to the new Speed Queens in my local laundromat. I believe that Amana and Speed Queen have a sister lineage. They both have the stainless steel perforated tubs and the agitators are the same - all white plastic, either four straight vanes, or four curved vanes (a little reminiscent of the old Whirlpool agitators, but smaller). Interesting that this company has stayed with belt-drive. I wonder why. Frigidaire seems to be another washer brand that stuck with belt-drive for a long time, but recently went to direct drive dual-action agitators.
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Post# 36563-3/13/2004-22:36 ||| leafz (Reedsville)
SUBJECT:
RE: Easy Whirldry ?????? (Description)
MESSAGE: Thanks, this is one pretty clean. I know very little about antique washing machines. However, I have sincere appreciation for natural preservation. About six years ago i started buffing metals and quickly realized metal is similar to our skin, because both have pores. For example this Easy Whirldry was probably stored in say mid summer, allowing dry dust to fill the pores, and dust protected the finish during damp winters.
The top appears to be made out of aluminum, and the bottom is almost like a porcelain bathtub baked on finish. How is that for a description? The basket seems to be a heavy cast aluminum??? Definitely do not make that anymore. The bottom has four of the six rubber feet, and there is a slight brown film around each of the feet. I am pretty sure you could wipe it off. If it’s only worth a couple hundred dollars, I might start my collection of antique washing machines. Seeing it run puts a smile on every ones face. It is unreal how quickly people become attached to it. Thanks again.
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Post# 36564-3/14/2004-01:58 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (the noise has stopped,but i don`t know why)
MESSAGE: well i went to a repair shop for parts and told them the problem and the guy there said if it stopped it could be from not being run for so long,but i also found out i have the long shaft and not the short one(center post)will the double duty agitator still fit on the shaft,and also,the pump must be replaced,it works but it`s slow,other wise i put it back together and did a load of laundry in it and she ran fine,pump,new tub ring with filter and agitator and she`s just the way i want her
rock
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Post# 36565-3/14/2004-02:06 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise)
MESSAGE: i need to know if i should rebuild the tranny,or buy new and can i get one new for the long shaft,i have ripped it down and inspected it and it looks pretty clean,and the noise is gone for some reason,guy at parts store said now to worry,but i can`t,should i change the bearings or what,and will the double duty agitator not the dual action agitator fit on the long shaft,info would be helpful,and will the replacement pump make that ohh so famous breathing sound
thanks guy`s
rock
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Post# 36566-3/14/2004-04:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
Swiss Unimatic
MESSAGE: Somebody is selling a Swiss Unimatic on eBay. It's a 400 Volts machine. Stainless steel top and a lot of push buttons on this machine.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2230766923&category=19361
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Post# 36567-3/14/2004-06:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Swiss Unimatic (cool)
MESSAGE: wow, that is real sweeeeett lookin ........
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Post# 36568-3/14/2004-10:27 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
hgtv...hey remember apology
MESSAGE: Guys:
I'm sorry...I offered to make copies of the show, but when I tried to watch the tape, it seems my vcr timer worked, but not the cable box. I watched the show on another set, and didn't know this happened....all I saw when I tried to watch the tape was a blue screen.....
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Post# 36569-3/14/2004-13:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Oooooohh, a straight-vane Philco. Those seem rarer than the Automagics to me...Congratulations on great finds!
--Austin
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Post# 36570-3/14/2004-13:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: This is kind of drifting toward the Sandbox, but I looked at a Frigidaire at Lowe's recently and there was a 3-vane straight agitator in one. It's probably direct drive, like all the other crappy TLs that Frigidaire makes.
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Post# 36571-3/14/2004-13:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (the noise has stopped,but i don`t know why)
MESSAGE: Many machines just get noisy from no use. Your machine is probably "broken in". Also, earlier Whirlpool pumps are all over eBay. You could find a good deal on one there.
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Post# 36572-3/14/2004-14:29 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise)
MESSAGE: The long & short shaft refers to the spin tube, not the agitator shaft. I believe the transmissions are interchangeable, agitator shafts being the same, so the agitators would be too, as long as they are the same capacity washer. The long and short spin tube make a difference when you need to replace a spin basket. Personally, I always liked the long center post better because I believe the seals were less likely to go bad and cause further problems.
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Post# 36573-3/14/2004-14:40 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: I don't know if I'm understanding this correctly, but direct drive refers to the way the power is transfered from the motor to the transmission and as far as I know the only direct drive top load agitator type washer is manufactured by Whirlpool. Now, you do have one piece agitators and dual action agitators from most of the manufactures now but they are not direct drive washers.
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Post# 36574-3/14/2004-14:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: I really don't know exactly how the two are different, but the belt drive machine has a longer and slower agitator stroke and is less prone to transmission damage; this is just the opposite with a DD machine.
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Post# 36575-3/14/2004-14:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Good to hear from you Erik, would love to hear more about your new house - how exciting! Are you going to do your laundry room in earthy browns, greens and oranges to match your gold Maytag 806's?
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Post# 36576-3/14/2004-14:57 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: WOW! Time-delay soak, bleach dispenser in the agitator,
multiple rinses and speed combos, in beautiful chrome
and avocado to compliment the Pucci patterns and gold
swag lamps found in every chic household. Further proof
that EVERYTHING was cooler in the 60s!
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Post# 36577-3/14/2004-15:25 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: The direct drive machine uses a three piece coupler, 2 plastic end pieces, one on the motor & one on the transmission, with a rubber disc to connect the two end pieces, instead of a belt to transfer the power from the motor to the transmission. The old belt drive transmissions were ALL metal and as heavy duty as any transmission made. The new DD have a nylon spin gear that usually is what fails in the DD transmission. When it comes to service tho, give me a DD. Glen.
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Post# 36578-3/14/2004-15:30 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive (Agitator Pump Lint Filter)
MESSAGE: It looks like the Hotpoint had a similar agitator pump lint filter, for lack of a better way to discribe it, like the old Norge made machines.
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Post# 36579-3/14/2004-15:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Hi Greg and congrats on the new stuff, I think you're right, that Norge and Bendix might be worth it for a few extra parts on hand. Do you know what models they were? Tearing down machines you don't intend to restore is a great way to learn as well. Then you always need to wash clothes after a dirty tear-down job, so the rewards are nearly endless! I didn't find your Kelvi in my books (have '61-66 parts/service) so it will be interesting to see pictures. Those are not difficult machines to work on so you shouldn't have too horrible of job ahead of you. What does your Philco look like? I don't have much Philco stuff. I think I was told once that Philco (Philco-Bendix after 57) didn't make agitator washers after the intro of the Blades of Water machines in 1959 so that might help narrow it down a bit.
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Post# 36580-3/14/2004-15:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: I agree completely. Only a few of these wonderful features are found on today's machines. Also further proof that a time machine would be a godsend for us appliance collectors.
Btw, isn't the "fountain filter" a burp-up?
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Post# 36581-3/14/2004-15:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive (Agitator Pump Lint Filter)
MESSAGE: Burp-Up
There are videos of the Norge burp-up filter agitator in the museum here. Great water and audio drama.
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Post# 36582-3/14/2004-15:56 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: No, the fountain filter didn't burp the way the Norge filter did - it pumped continuously during the whole wash cycle. More like overflow than fountain, but cool nonetheless...
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Post# 36583-3/14/2004-17:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: Hmm... Sounds like the fountain filter would be interesting to watch. The Norge burp-up is my all-time favorite among agitator lint filters, and it seems effective in the videos. There have been Signature 2000's on eBay with the burp-up filter, but none are in decent shape and are near my area. Better luck next time...
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Post# 36584-3/14/2004-18:06 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
Signature Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: Can anyobne give me any info as to when this item was made? I have enclosed a picture so that you can see the outside of the washer.
The model number is: UBW849P and the serial number is 68X-44961
The outside is pink and white. The inside is white with a turquoise agitator. The motor powers on and it agitates but I cannot get it to stop. There is a bell that rings when you turn the knob on the front but it does not turn off.
Thanks for any info you can give me.
Heather
LINK: http://www.sellersourcebook.com/members/watch/userimages/652/w1.jpg
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Post# 36585-3/14/2004-18:11 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: thanks Austin :)
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Post# 36586-3/14/2004-18:21 ||| danelto (State College, PA)
SUBJECT:
POD
MESSAGE: I love this POD when it comes up. I think the ad--avocado washer, pretty woman, purple hues--is sexy.
However, I can't see why in the world any machine has to be equipped for two washes and two rinses.
I wouldn't buy it. If a machine can't get clothes clean the first time, why buy it?
The delay soak was pretty cool, though.
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Post# 36587-3/14/2004-18:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (dates and)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg ....... The Kelvinator is a 1957 per the wiring diagram on the back and the Philco is definately a PHILCO-DEXTER made in IOWA and is for sure a model # W265. I was unsure about the middle number before. Based on what you said I would have to say the Philco is somewhere between a '57 and '59. Aside from some pretty bad surface rust on the fronts and sides, in and out, but NOT through the metal; they actually cleaned up halfway decent. I spent the last few hours scrubbing with soft scrub with bleach, I had to tip them both on the sides and hose out; I won't even go into detail as to how nasty/dirty the inside tubs were but after cleaning them out they are in remarkable shape. The chrome is badly pitted on the Philco but I brought back some shine. They are in a warm basement now. Man, do I have my work cut out for me on these. I may try to go back and salvage a couple more machines for parts BUT they are seven hours away. So it won't be for a couple weeks at least; but they are not going anywhere until May. Will keep you posted.
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Post# 36588-3/14/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive (Agitator Pump Lint Filter)
MESSAGE: I like to watch the Norge "burp-up" lint filter video clips in the videos section-reminds me so much of one that we had when I was little child-but large enough to see the machine work.Watch it now and then to relive the old expereinces-Looking for such a machine as well.Would like one of that "time-line" era.
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Post# 36589-3/14/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - Hotpoint Lady Executive
MESSAGE: Was mine as well-would like to see the "fountain flow " filter as well. It sounds like it uses the agitation(like the Norge) to pump the water thru the filter.Both systems have the advantage that they are passive.No other devices required to make them work.
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Post# 36590-3/14/2004-19:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: The DD mechanism is quicker to repair when it does break.The coupler is quicker to replace than a belt.-and no tension adjustments required.-like you have to check the tension on a new belt after you have used it until it "breaks in"-but--- for long term durability-give me the BD.
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Post# 36591-3/14/2004-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod (Amana Machines)
MESSAGE: The thing about transmission damage is that when the machine is temporarily overloaded(a tennis shoe wedged between the tub and one of the agitator blades)the BD mechanism will "slip" momoentarily and not cause damage.With the DD -and in newer transmission they have plastic gears(new GE)if the shoe problem occured-the plastic gears could be quickly ruined.The DD coupler is designed to break-off to prevent further damage.It will not "slip" like the belt.I would figure with the older all metal transmissions-gears and case-the motor could be overloaded.The shoe could cause the motor to stall so much that it could not restart-and the motor OL protection would trip-or the fuse or circuit breaker feeding the washer circuit trips off.If the motor deosn't draw enought for the breaker to trip-it burns up.fortunately-that is a very RARE thing.It shouldn't happen at all if you don't wash sneakers in the washer.
I liked the slower,longer agitator strokes in the BD machines-It gave better circulation and seems to be easier on clothes.You would think a gearbox(to slow motor speed down) and the longer stroke transmission could be used.
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Post# 36592-3/14/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod ( )
MESSAGE: Speed Queen and Amana were owned by Ratheon at one time-I used SQ washers at the apartment laudramat(these were put in by a laundry company in the early 1980's) and were marked SQ Amana and Ratheon. They didn't have the deep rinse like theearly 1970's models when SQ was owned by McGraw-Edesen. Sq is now under Alliance Laundry Systems-Ripon Wisc. I had heard some rumers that Allinace was bought up by Maytag.Allaince mostly markets to the commercial-industrial laundry sectors.They don't market to the household markets. They mention on the website that they still use the long-stroke agiatation-but don't say if they use a DD or BD drive.They offered two agiator styles-the straight vane type or the Curved wavy blade style vanes(like a WP surgilator)and they have SS innner tubs-they don't say what the outer tub is.
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Post# 36593-3/14/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I can agree with you here-the laundry equipment builders need to go back to their roots-the better washer designs were in the 50's-60's,70's than today.Ditch the DD designs and the plastic outer tanks.
The dual action-two peice agitators(I'am refering to the ones with the auger top section and vane type base section)worked best with the long-stroke BD design rather than the Short stroke DD design.With the longer stroke-the auger part could rotate better.
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Post# 36594-3/14/2004-20:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I agree here-the older designs were best.It's been mentioned many times that older BD designs were the most durable.Same things said by others I have talked to around this area-they feel the newer designs aren't as durable.I have seen many newer machines in the graveyards alreay waiting to be disected for parts-interred permently in the graveyard-or sent to the baler.Those bailers will get plenty of "food" from the new machine designs. One of the folks I talked to(washer-dryer technician) mentioned that new designs were built to last on average only 5 years.He said people didn't want to spend more money on longer lasting designs if they were built.Instead they will pay the price and have to buy a new washer more often than before.
I suppose we may discussing things that should be on the Sandbox section?
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Post# 36595-3/14/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: There's a 70's Kenmore (silver timer knob in the center) in on eBay that I'm watching. If I'm not mistaken, it's a BD model. If it ends soon, I might bid on it since it's in Dallas.
Btw, I have a '98 DD Kenmore and I push it to the limit. I've washed shoes, 16 pairs of pants, and a queen size comforter in it and somehow it manages to handle it (I always use high agitaton speed and even with that the motor strains audibly when I wash pants). I'm surprised it doesn't break yet...and if it does, it will be a SQ/Amana machine or a Neptune TL.
--Austin
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Post# 36596-3/14/2004-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: Sounds like you have had better luck with yours-I bought one in about 199-or 2000.I had it for about a year and had bad luck with it.It went out of balance in spin mode and the inner tub smacked into the plastic outer one cracking it.Fortunately the machine was repaired under warranty by Sears.The repair bill would have been $325 if I had to pay for it.I paid $375 for the machine. I traded it for a Whirlpool Imperial 90 that is much better.the Sears Tech and others I have talked to-say not to wash shoes in them or overload them to prevent coupler breakage or transmission damage.He did say the coupler replacement was the most common repair for this type of model.The coupler can be replaced more quickly and easily than the belt.
The 70's machine would be a BD model-lots of luck on it-When you use it-you may end up ditching your DD like I did!!
I would like to see them improve the DD by going back to metal outer tanks and the slower-long stroke agitation.
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Post# 36597-3/14/2004-20:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: About 2 years ago, a lady on our street had passed away of cancer, and they had this HUGE estate sale. Among the items for sale was a 1970's coppertone Kenmore washer & dryer. I thought they looked neat, but unfortunately this was before I really became involved in appliances. However I did try the dryer and it worked great.
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Post# 36598-3/14/2004-21:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I was browsing the washer category on eBay, and I happened to come across what LOOKED like a 1970's Kenmore washer (center timer knob, silver controls, fake wood panel). It was in pretty good shape, and also in Dallas (close to Houston, so pickup seemed logical). I requested pics of the inside of the machine, and the seller sent them to me. I thought this was going to be a good find, as it looked good on the outside (with original info sticker on lid) and worked great. I expected the 70's Dual-Action agitator, and a curved plastic tub cover. What I saw was completely different. It seems someone took the 70's shell and timer, and MODERNIZED IT, COMPLETE WITH DIRECT-DRIVE. There was the familiar DD tub cover, and a modern straight-vane found in low-end Ropers, Whirlpools, and Kenmores. And I thought this was going to be something decent...
So my advice is DO NOT (under ALL possible circumstances) bid on a seemingly vintage washer on eBay unless the seller sends you a picture of the inside. It could be something worse next time, like a WCI Frigidaire drivetrain inside a 1-18 case (((shudder))).
Buyers beware...
Austin
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Post# 36599-3/14/2004-21:25 ||| Lucky13 (niagara falls)
SUBJECT:
What do I need to know about a 1950 G.E refrigerator?
MESSAGE: Hello. I recently bought a 1950 G.E and I was wondering if any of you that are well aquainted with these appliances would be able to tell me something about them. Thanks!!!
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Post# 36600-3/14/2004-21:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: This is very interesting,and devious of the seller of the machine.Yes before you buysee the whole story or inspect the machine.I try to deal with local machines only to aviod shipping and delivory witch could be just too expensive-unless its the machine you are really looking for.It also sounds if you get really involved in this sport of collecting large appliances-you may want to get a truck with a liftgate.this could also be a problem with machines bought from second hand appliance dealers.-Where they make up a "machine" from parts.Anyone here have pictures of cabinet examples of WP-KN machines-that could help you in case someone switches cabinet shells on you.I have asked the appliance dealers here thjat I deal with-if they get a machine in that I could be interested in I asked them to call me before they work on it.That way you could inspect it before they try to rebuild it.
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Post# 36601-3/14/2004-21:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (dates and)
MESSAGE: Wow - what a great find then, 1957! The cabinets are easy to restore, take them in for sandblasting to save yourself hours of sanding and you can go one step more and have a body shop paint it for you. Jimmy has had this done with several of his appliances and you can't tell the difference from new. The pitted chrome can be revived a little bit by having the pieces re-chromed but it's an expensive process and they may not be able to fill in all the pitted areas to make it perfect.
Fantastic finds Greg, can't wait to see pics of these when you get them back!
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Post# 36602-3/14/2004-21:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: The cabinet from the belt-drive machines would never work on the direct drives, completely different design and construction of the support structures. What you saw was probably one of the very first Direct Drive machines from the early 80's. Was it 24" wide? I've seen several of these and they are a little deceptive at first.
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Post# 36603-3/14/2004-21:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: If you take a close look at the Kitchen Aid washers, you'll see the agitator is a little larger than the WP/KM cousins and the agitation stroke is a little slower and longer as well. It's quite a nice machine, they've had these since the late 80's or so.
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Post# 36604-3/14/2004-21:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Signature Wringer Washer
MESSAGE: What a great color on this washer! It sounds like you have a bad timer, not too difficult to remove it and send in for rebuilding. There are several timer companies that should be able to help. Midwest timer is one, there are others that some members have used too.
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Post# 36605-3/14/2004-21:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Swiss Unimatic
MESSAGE: This is very cool looking, do you know much about it? I remember seeing some pics of a newer model of the Euro-Uni a while back but the vintage machine is so cool! Thanks Louis!
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Post# 36606-3/14/2004-22:00 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: The oldest DD that I remember working on, was made the 51 week of 1981. I had to call WP for some Tech. Assist. and I had a hard time convincing the guy at WP that it was that old. So if you see a Kenmore that looks like it could be a belt drive it may not be. They used the same trim.
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Post# 36607-3/14/2004-22:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dutch Household Show
MESSAGE: Louis, those are videos are just fabulous, we will have to play those at the next convention, with you there to translate of course!
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Post# 36608-3/14/2004-22:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Wow another big hit Greg, congatulations. How do you do it? Can't wait to see some pictures of these. Jetcone just clued me into the other great find you just made. That will be one of the best and most rare washer finds of the year!! But I'll let you share that with the club when you guys go and get it. (ooh I'm so naughty) :)
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Post# 36609-3/14/2004-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Swiss Unimatic (A Shocking 400 Volts)
MESSAGE: 400 Volts ouch, better remember to unplug that baby before servicing, I bet that machines heats the water fast! What is it Louis? Horizontal access top loader, agitator, spinner or not??? So many questions.
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Post# 36610-3/14/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: We just returned from a road trip down to Madison Wisconsin to pick up a 1957... (drum roll please as the curtain opens)
CTC-7
Yes, I know its not a washer, but in 1957 color television was only three years old and its my earliest color television set as of yet in my collection. I bought it from another collector who has done most of the restoration work already, just a few more important things need to be done to it electronically and I can watch it daily.
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Post# 36611-3/14/2004-23:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Yes, in fact it was. I thought I found a 70's BD machine, but I was wrong. The agitator had been replaced with a low-end straight-vane. However, at an appliance store in Houston, I looked in the back and saw a BD Kenmore that was 27" wide, unfortunately it had been sold. It had the old-style long-post dual-action agitator.
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Post# 36612-3/14/2004-23:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Swiss Unimatic (A Shocking 400 Volts)
MESSAGE: I wonder if they meant that the machine runs off 380V-acommon voltage used in europe and some other areas.In two of our transmitters-one from Germany and the other from Switzerland-use 380V three phase power to feed some of the components in them-Blowers,pumps,Lv supplies.The 380V three phase system is a common Europian utalization -based .voltage-dist system-You get 220V from any of the phases to neutral.At our plant transformers in the transmitters convert our 4160V three phase to 380V three phase power for the tx components-the motors esp are marked to run off 50 or 60 hz power-but run faster on the 60 hz.-The higher frequency makes the motor run faster(induction motors)In the picture it is hard to tell what type of machine it isTL?,Does it have its own heating elements-must explain why it runs off the high voltage.
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Post# 36613-3/14/2004-23:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: I wonder if it has a METAL outer tank instead of the plastic one. Does this have the DD or BD mechanism? This would be nice to know in case I should have to buy a newer machine-The KA may then be the best contender.I haven't seen too many KA machines here-the only dealer would be Greenville Applaince in my area.I may stop by there and look. I bought a KA dishwasher and Fridge from them.
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Post# 36614-3/15/2004-00:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Thats right-As I remember from the Sears Tech working on mine the whole front part of the cabinet lifts off after you tilt back the top of the machine.-On the BD models you had to remove an access cover from the back.You would have to admit that the DD case design makes it easier to get to the guts of the mechansim.The tech also had a j-plug to run the machine with the outer front case removed.You got a first row seat to see the mechansim work.I would think that the BD cabinets could be interchanged with each other-thus destroying the collector value of the machine it was done to.
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Post# 36615-3/15/2004-00:20 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: speed queens in todays pod
MESSAGE: To the best of my knowledge, KitchenAid has never had a belt-drive top-loader. The first model line produced was direct-drive. Unless I am mistaken, there were only two models initially released -- one with electronic controls and one with a pushbutton rapid-advance mecahnical timer. A third model with a "traditional" rotary timer was added on the next generation.
I'm sure someone will provide correct information if this is wrong.
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Post# 36616-3/15/2004-02:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957... (CTC-7)
MESSAGE: "New YORK is where I'd rah-ther stay, I get ALLERGIC smelling hay..."
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Post# 36617-3/15/2004-02:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Swiss Unimatic (A Shocking 400 Volts)
MESSAGE: Yes, you'd better unplug it before working on it!! I'm not 100% sure but I'm almost certain that it is a toploading H-axis machines. All the newer ones were H-axis machines, so this one is probably too. And yes, it spins, but I don't know how fast. I mailed the seller to get to know a little more about the machine, but he hasn't responded yet.
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Post# 36618-3/15/2004-02:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Congratulations on that one. I bet you soon will have a classic TV set in every room of the house! BTW, which sister is this?
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Post# 36619-3/15/2004-04:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Weren't there also belt drives in a narrow cabinet,like 24"wide?
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Post# 36620-3/15/2004-06:28 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (thnx Robert&Greg)
MESSAGE: Thanks Robert !! yea, Jon and I hope to go back in about a month or so to save a couple more; stay tuned :) oh and thanks Greg for the tip about sending in the cabinets for sandblasting and then auto body shop for painting ..... I did plan on doing it myself, like I have done before and it does take forever.
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Post# 36621-3/15/2004-06:40 ||| filterflo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Wonderful find, Robert. Thats the same model that I have, "The Anderson". Does yours have UHF? Mine does, but of course, seldom use it. I just love vintage color TV's. The color phosphors were so different in those old pix tubes.......
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Post# 36622-3/15/2004-07:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Excellent find Robert, what a great picture on that set. I've never seen a color television from this far back - we didn't know anyone with a color set, we only had B&W until I was like 6 or 7!
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Post# 36623-3/15/2004-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: *Slap*
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Post# 36624-3/15/2004-07:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (thnx Robert&Greg)
MESSAGE: secrets don't make friends ;-)
a *slap* for you too!
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Post# 36625-3/15/2004-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957... (But Give Me Park Avenue)
MESSAGE: This sister is the one who's beggin' for Park Avenue.
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Post# 36626-3/15/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco
MESSAGE: Ouch, that smarts :)
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Post# 36627-3/15/2004-09:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, yes on the UHF, but I would never use it. According to its date stamp, it's a early production set actually from 1957. I use the antique sets to watch fun vintage programs via dvd, so everything is tuned to channel 3 anyway. Yes, it is the "Anderson", here is the brochure for the 1957 line...
LINK: http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/Gallery/CTC7_Gallery.html
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Post# 36628-3/15/2004-09:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: WOW! What a beautiful RCA, and one of the first color models!
Congratulations!
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Post# 36629-3/15/2004-09:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I think someone needs to cyber-slap me back into reality...
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Post# 36630-3/15/2004-10:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: Here's the Wards Signature wringer washer with the non-functioning timer. Other than that, she's a beauty in near-mint condition! Seems to have a large capacity tub, drain pump, and a mini-wash basket. Also has the full skirt to hide the motor & tranny. Someone needs to give this washer a loving home and get the timer working again.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3804049142&category=20714
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Post# 36631-3/15/2004-10:23 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: The TV looks fantastic, as does the picture quality. My oldest color TV is a 73 Zenith along with a 1967 RCA B/W portable. I love washers but there are lots of OTHER appliances every modern household requires.
MK in LBC
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Post# 36632-3/15/2004-10:33 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: I think thats not a mini basket, its suppose to be placed the opposite direction(up-side down) for hand wash. I really wish that wringer was near me!
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Post# 36633-3/15/2004-10:46 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: I maybe wrong, but it will use a lot of water for the mini-basket to be used that way.
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Post# 36634-3/15/2004-11:29 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (That's my auction.....)
MESSAGE: That's my auction. If anyone has any questions or can help me figure out how to ship it, I would be most grateful.
I had someone ask me if I would ship it through www.uship.com
I checked it out and it seems to be an interesting site. It's ride-sharing but for packages, etc. It just doen't have a cost. You offer whatever you want and see if a driver will take it.
I am clueless at shipping bigger items.
Thanks
Heather
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Post# 36635-3/15/2004-11:31 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: That was you that asked me about shipping. :-) Like I said, I will do what I can for you and if it's too much to ship, we can cancel the auction with eBay.
Thanks
Heather
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Post# 36636-3/15/2004-13:01 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: Oh sigh, I wish I lived in Chicago. That wringer makes my heart sing.... I think the mini-basket does go the other way so it would slow down the agitation for delicates and not use much water.
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Post# 36637-3/15/2004-13:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed
MESSAGE: Just got finished watching the ABC-O-Matic videos. What was the spin speed? It looked pretty fast, but certainly not as fast as a Unimatic or a GE AW6. I'm guessing 800-900 RPM?
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Post# 36638-3/15/2004-13:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: Thanks Heather!
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Post# 36639-3/15/2004-15:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: In the Montgomery Ward catalogs they picture these tubs how the seller has it installed in the ebay picture. It makes the machine capable of washing two smaller loads at the same time, with the same tub of water.
Hotpoint had a similar 'double tub' automatic washer in the later 60's & early 70's. Their design used completely separate water for each tub.
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Post# 36640-3/15/2004-15:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed
MESSAGE: 550 RPM for normal speed spin. It's sort of an optical illusion with those huge agitator fins spinning around, looks faster than it really is.
More stats:
Agitation RPM 300 normal, 200 gentle.
Spin RPM 550 normal, 365 gentle.
Water use - full load cycle: 33 gallons
Cycle time - normal: 31 minutes
Holes in agitator: 180
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Post# 36641-3/15/2004-15:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: No slaps needed, I was fooled by one of these not too long ago when I was out shopping for cast-offs. I didn't remember seeing these models when I worked at Sears (1980-87) but there it was - plain as day... Several of the members here have vintage belt-drive 24" machines, I think they were introduced in the mid 50's.
I remember when they brought out the machines with the new Direct-Drive mechanism, they looked more cheaply made than the Belt-Drives but I was assured that the new design had undergone testing equal to 20 years home use before they were intro'd into the market. "They are even more reliable than the old design and easier to service, should that ever be necessary..." In many ways, that was true.
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Post# 36642-3/15/2004-16:58 ||| Activator (Tulsa, OK)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay (Hand wash bowl over skirt)
MESSAGE: Well, I'm never one to keep my yap shut...I bet you could use that wash-bowl attachment either way: upside down to modify that FABULOUS turquoise agitator (for gentler washing) and the way it's pictured, not for "mini-wash" but for "simul-wash", in which small, very delicate items (ahem) could be washed along with larger items, water/detergent compatability presumed...the presence of those "interior flippers" seems to suggest the feasibility of that option.
Once again it looks like I need to switch to decaf.
At any rate, good luck w/the e-bay process. I confess, in advance, that I will be quite envious of that machine's new owner! There's just nothing like pink and turquoise...throw in pastel yellow and I go into a frenzy, thanks to Frigidaire and all those Three-Ring memories pulsating away.
--Activator
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Post# 36643-3/15/2004-18:12 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wards Signature wringer on eBay
MESSAGE: O.K., that makes sense. But it seems with a basket on top of the agitator, the water for the bigger load wouldn't circulate very well.
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Post# 36644-3/15/2004-18:22 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
wards signature wringer on e-bay
MESSAGE: Hi all,does anyone know who manufactured this machine for wards?Judging by that agitator,i would say Norge.
I know Norge produced their early automatics,but was Norge the sole supplier for Montgomerey Wards the way Whirlpool was to sears?I know it's trivial,but I find it interesting to know who made what for who. Thanks guys
Pat
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Post# 36645-3/15/2004-18:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: This TV reminds me of the CTC5 that was stolen from the radio station tx site.The set I had was a blonde colored cabinetand the pix tube was on its way out.The picture was dim and faded.The CRT had been rebuilt at least twice-you could see two places where the neck was spliced from the guns being replaced.The tube would need a COMPLETE rebuilding job if I still had it. the phospors go to(esp the early ones)The set did work.I do miss it.So far haven't been looking for others-maybe I should try to hunt for one to replace it..
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Post# 36646-3/15/2004-18:53 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Well I finally got it. Mrs. Revak finally parted with her Frigidaire WI-56. Her very first automatic washing machine. I have been after this washer for nearly 2 years. Her second husband was a Frigidaire appliance repairman and bought this for her new. It is perfect except for one detail. He replaced the original agitator with a jet cone! Ugh! And how many of us in the club are hunting an original agitator for one model or another??!? All in all, I am very happy to have it. And yes, I am still planning on selling or trading some of my goodies this year. I'd like to make some more matched sets, but who wouldn't?
I do have 4 other deals still in progress. I can't wait until the weather stays good so that I can plan a few road trips. And I can't wait until I understand how to put pics into a Yahoo briefcase.
Congratulations on everyone else's good fortune so far this year. We have not only been saving vintage appliances and televisions, but also have been exposed on television and in the newspapers. 2004 is beginning to be another banner year for Applianceville.
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Post# 36647-3/15/2004-18:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Road Trip to Madison to Pick Up a 1957...
MESSAGE: in reading the brocures for these TVs in the links-they did have UHF even though at that time it was not an FCC requirement like what came later-The UHF broadcasters were complaining about TV's built at that time into the 60's that didn't have UHF tuners.You had to have the UHF "set top" converter.-Yes at the time-50's RCA did build and sell UHF transmitters.I saw one of these tx's was not inservice-had been removed from a tx site.It used planar triodes in its final stages-water and forced air cooled.It was rated at 40Kw visual.Uhf rigs today use klystrons or klystrode tubes.I worked on VHF tx's from the era that the RCA ctc5,ctc7 were built.the tx were alsmost as pretty as the sets-the "chrome and glass" tx era.
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Post# 36648-3/15/2004-19:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Well, I had some friends here in mid-1986 that had a Model 70 like on ebay. They'd had the machine for about 2 years or so at that point. I really didn't think anything about the machine until I turned it on to hear that good ol' "grind clink" of the wig-wag. Instead, I heard the now familiar bang of the transmission and coupler. I stopped and restarted the machine quickly just to make sure. I was totally perplexed. I also vaguely noticed the tub ring at the top, now very familiar. The owner told me she used delicate a lot because the machine agitated very fast. Didn't sink in. Months later, arrived my LK Shredmore. ...
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Post# 36649-3/15/2004-19:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I'll volunteer!!!!!! SSLLLAAAAPPPP (VEG)
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Post# 36650-3/15/2004-19:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I remember our first direct-drive machine, a "plastic GE" from 1996, when I was 7. It was boring compared to the BD Westy TL we had before; a short agitator stroke with the dual-action and neutral drain vs. Long straight-vane stroke & lock & spin drain. I stuck a screwdriver in the GE's lid switch to watch the wash & spin. It only lasted 2 years, then we bought a Kenmore. It was more interesting than the GE to watch, but still nothing compared to the Westy.
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Post# 36651-3/15/2004-19:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay
MESSAGE: Since it is a Signature machine, I would guess Norge. Norge machines were very similar to this, with a full skirt, identical-looking wringer, timer, and power drain pump.
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Post# 36652-3/15/2004-19:35 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Hi Rich,
The best news of the month! You finally got the Frigidaire you have been hoping for. Im so glad for you! Good luck with it. Its a prize, Im sure.
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Post# 36653-3/15/2004-19:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Now I'm a little confused...as of 1986, were the 27" old-style Kenmores & Lady K's (with center-mounted timer) still belt-drive?
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Post# 36654-3/15/2004-19:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Congratulations on the great find! One-owner machines are harder and harder to find these days...
Find an original agitator for that machine and you'll be ready to wash! Replacing a pulsator with a Jetcone is like replacing a straight-vane with a Dual-Action; what a shame, especially now that early GM Frigidaires are so rare.
--Austin
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Post# 36655-3/15/2004-19:48 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: a service tech told me that i can no longer get the long shaft,but from what you said,i should not have to worry about that,basket and tub are in great ,machine is 37 years old,and runs great,did a bunch of rugs today,no problem
rock
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Post# 36656-3/15/2004-19:49 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: The Direct Drives, as a rule have been a very successful design. They were originally know and marketed as "Design 2000". However, there has been one very important change by Whirlpool engineers. The first units were not "neutral spin" machines. That is, there was not an initial drain, then the "Stop/Click/Bang" of the transmission for the mode to change to the spin cycle after draining. The first machines were made to drain and spin at the same time. That design proved to be a very weak link in the clutch and transmission linings and was soon changed to what they called "neutral spin" After the wash cycle, the machine pauses, then goes into a drain cycle for a few minutes. Then there is another slight pause and all motion stops and the pawls on the clutch fingers drop and engage. When the motor turns back on, its then that the tub starts to spin. This was much easier on the components. The newer designs were stamped on the transmission case: "Neutral Spin" so that the servicemen knew which design they were dealing with. It was really only the cheapened components such as plastic inner or outer tubs, easy to rust enamel tops and lids and tinny sounds that gave the direct drives a bad name. All in all, the servicemen that I know love working on them, especially compared to some of the newer White/Westinghouse or GE junk that is on the market......
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Post# 36657-3/15/2004-19:50 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (the noise has stopped,but i don`t know why)
MESSAGE: e-bay i go
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Post# 36658-3/15/2004-19:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: finally found a Kelvi and Philco (excuse me)
MESSAGE: LOL, excuse me, I did NOT reveal any secrets, that credit goes to another app member (grin) .......
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Post# 36659-3/15/2004-19:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed (slap)
MESSAGE: smartypants, :-)
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Post# 36660-3/15/2004-22:41 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: What's the model & serial # of your washer. I recently replaced a basket drive assembly for a customer. It took a while to get it but it was still available.
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Post# 36661-3/15/2004-22:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Excellent work Rich, congrats!! Persistence pays off for sure.
4 other deals? Can't wait to hear more!
Good luck and happy hunting!
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Post# 36662-3/15/2004-22:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: ABC-O-Matic Spin Speed ( Bless Ebay)
MESSAGE: Repair-Master for Kelvinator
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Post# 36663-3/15/2004-22:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: This was quite common in older machines - replacing original pulsators with the Deep-Action agitators in the 60's & beyond, all but eliminated tangling but unfortunately took some of the pulsating drama too...
I remember when Sears sold the Dual-Action in the catalogs for replacement of other KM agitators, even had them in-stock as a kit at the repair center.
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Post# 36664-3/15/2004-23:20 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition (Yeah!)
MESSAGE: Great news Rich, I am so happy for you! It seems like there have been quite a few "finds" as of late! It is amazing that all of us have the number of machines that we do! Many times we mourn what we don't have, or are looking for, but when you add up the finds collectively, they look pretty good! Don
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Post# 36665-3/16/2004-03:16 ||| Erkjoey (Los Angeles, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, Matter of fact, the laundry room and surrounding area is going to be somewhat retro, so the Maytag's will feel right at home. :) Talk to you soon! Erik
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Post# 36666-3/16/2004-04:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: I wasn't aware of any direct drive GE machines.I thought they were still belt drive.
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Post# 36667-3/16/2004-08:10 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: I have a long spin tube basket drive assy , brand new if you need it. I've had it a long time but don't think I'll be using it anytime soon.Always a good idea to replace the bushings & seals as well.
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Post# 36668-3/16/2004-08:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition (WOW a '56)
MESSAGE: Rich that is just wonderful. Just five years ago no one in club had ever seen a '56 Unimatic, much less had one in their collection. Now we know of at least five! Congrats.
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Post# 36669-3/16/2004-09:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Finding an original "NOS" 3-Ring agitator washer is next to impossible, but it can be done if you find it in pieces. In my '57 Unimatic I have a completely new agitator, but it took almost two years to find all the parts. I found the gray rubber Soap Cap in Ohio, the gray Lint Chaser ring in Duluth, MN, the gray Circulator Ring in Oklahoma, the gray plastic Agitator Column in North Carolina and the pulsator in Tennessee.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/unimatic1140/detail?.dir=/Frigidaire&.dnm=Frig+1957+WI-57+Inside.jpg
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Post# 36670-3/16/2004-10:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay
MESSAGE: Thanks for the reply. By the way,my mom had a westy toploader.
We bought it used,...must have been about ten years old at the time...(we bought it in 83)or older but it was top of the line I'm pretty sure.It had a row of pushbuttons to the left.two smaller dials in the center;one was a cycle signal and the other for water level,plus the timer to the right.
This machine had a console light...(too bad we don't see this on appliances anymore).I forget who in the club has it but there is a westy front loader from the seventies with this same console.
It had the blue deep ramp agitator with the handwash one underneath.Even with the indexing tub this machine circulated clothes pretty good.That machine was made before WCI got their hands on them.
Have a great day
Lord Bless
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Post# 36671-3/16/2004-12:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay (Westy TL washers)
MESSAGE: Wow! These pre-WCI Westy TL's are the ones I'm after. The recirculating filter in the back, blue ramp agitator, and lighted control panel have me drooling :)
We had a 1986 White-Westinghouse machine (either MOL or TOL; it had a lot of knobs), and even though it was made after WCI, it was still a good machine and held up well. It had a white 4-straight vane agitator, and the vanes went up to the top of the agitator post. It had a long stroke with the familiar Westy belt-drive groan, and the clothes really swam too. It was the most fun to watch. I think it even had a recirculating filter with the lint-catcher in back. If an indexing tub is where it moves around about 1/4" per stroke during agitation, then it had one. We used it for about 10 years, and finally put it out by the curb when I was 7. It still worked fine, but the bleach dispenser was rusting and the push-pull knob stuck (the timer still worked). The Wards dryer used with it quit around the same time. We replaced it with an MOL "plastic GE" set. Laundry day was never the same...:( My grandma had an identical machine, made around the same time, and it was either hers or ours with the recirculator in back. Unfortunately, she retired hers around the same time as ours, and got a DD plastic-tub Hotpoint.
Btw, doesn't Frigidaire still make belt-drive machines? For sure they have a 3-vane agitator and the indexing tub.
--Austin
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Post# 36672-3/16/2004-12:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Portable Update
MESSAGE: The seller finally shipped the 1970's Maytag Porta-Pair spin-dryer I bought on eBay earlier this month. Can't wait to play with it and watch the dual reversing propellers!!!!
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Post# 36673-3/16/2004-13:01 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay (Westy TL washers)
MESSAGE: To the best of my knowledge, all American made washers are belt drive except the Whirlpool made full size washer with the tall agitators, which most Kenmore machines are a part of-if the model # starts with a 110.********. They are the only Dirct Drive machine that I know of. Now the new GE Harmony looks like a whole new kettle of fish. Glen.
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Post# 36674-3/16/2004-13:30 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: wards signature wringer on e-bay (Westy TL washers)
MESSAGE: I also remembered that that westinghouse washer also had a small row of pushbuttons for wash and spin speeds.On a medium wash load,it splashed suds up and over the agitator in gobs,that machine was fun to watch with that spiral ramp agitator.I hope you find your westinghouse washer from this era.
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Post# 36675-3/16/2004-15:28 ||| Ladybug5555 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Owner's manual for a KitchenAid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hi...
I am looking for an owners manual for a KitchenAid Superba by Hobart...Model #KDS17...Serial # 220-218349...Hope someone can help me find one...thanks ever so much...my e-mail is ladybug55552001@yahoo.com
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Post# 36676-3/16/2004-15:56 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
POD - My favorite 'mat
MESSAGE: I have used this very washer! One day last summer, my mom's WP was pumping in rusty hot water (a recurring problem with our plumbing), so I took my socks and set out on the road. I found a run-down laundromat tucked away on a side street, and there was the POD washer, in lovely avocado, four quarters a wash. Best of all, not only did it handle the socks like a true Maytag, the lid switch was broken, permitting me to watch all the cycles!
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Post# 36677-3/16/2004-16:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - My favorite 'mat
MESSAGE: Interesting story. It's amazing that the laundromat would still have these Maytags after all those years. There's a laundromat in Sealy (near where I live) that's been around for at least 20 years and they have the same Maytags (only almond/white). I've never seen them in action because when the fill valve broke on our Kenmore 5 years ago, we took them over there but did the wash & fold service instead :(
Btw these machines are on eBay all the time, with the familiar dial in the upper left-hand corner.
--Austin
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Post# 36678-3/16/2004-16:59 ||| fnelson487 (St. Charles, Il)
SUBJECT:
RE: Owner's manual for a KitchenAid Dishwasher
MESSAGE: You can still order those from the Kitchenaid website: www.kitchenaid.com. I have a like new KDS-17 and they sent me one. It is a copy but a complete copy nonetheless.
Fred Nelson
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Post# 36679-3/16/2004-18:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: At one time I purchased their gen replacement "dual action" agitator-The instructions with it say it could replace existing ones and "upgrade" the older machine.It could replace the original as far back as 1969-BD type machines. I still have it. Replaces many WP ones too.I beleive I paid about $70.0 for it.I even used it in a Kenmore"compact" machine.that washer had an agitator that looked something like a bowling pin with fins. The Dual action was much better.When I moved from that house-took out my Dual action and put back the orig agitator.
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Post# 36680-3/16/2004-18:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: A good friend of mine had one of these machines-It reminded me of the DD WP-KN machines.However its mechanism was an all PLASTIC transmission with plastic gears.He had the machine for only about 4 years.He bought it at about 1996.The poor thing died a very violent death!!the plastic transmission blew its gears and and force of it broke the plastic outer tub.We were both glad to haul it to the main city dump-bet the baler had a good meal from this one.After that would not touch another new "GE" machine.I like their older designs best-esp the filter flows.My friend didn't appreciate the wet laundry room floor-We even wished we could have used the dead machine for target practice!!He bought a Kenmore to replace it.
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Post# 36681-3/16/2004-18:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD - My favorite 'mat
MESSAGE: I beleive the colledge dorm had these machines-but in white.They were in the basement of the building.I saw what looked like a n older model of this machine at the "swap shop" appliance store that I get machines from here. It is sitting in the "bargain"pile. Might give it a home-still deciding-I am not normally a Maytag fan.
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Post# 36682-3/16/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware)
MESSAGE: Interesting story. The spin brake & clutch on ours blew out after 2 years. I still have a video I made when I was 10 of the tub spinning around during agitation. It also had a hard time shifting into spin from neutral drain (plastic GE's had a separate electric pump). It never washed well to begin with, and the stroke was shorter than my DD Kenmore.
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Post# 36683-3/16/2004-22:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: The Filter-Flo machines are my favorite, especially with that white curved-vane Activator of the 80's. The first Filter-Flo I saw was an 80's model on eBay. The seller wanted to show everyone that it worked and made an MPEG movie of it washing. I downloaded the movie and, having no knowledge whatsoever of washing machines, thought it was filling and agitating at the same time. After looking on some appliance websites (including here), I was introduced to the world of the amazing recirculating lint filter. I downloaded Robert's (Unimatic1140) videos of the '58, and I was sold! Around that time, there was a Filter-Flo (from 1988) in Houston for $20, and I almost bid on it. It looked great outside, and the tub was in mint condition! The only problem was a loose agitator that could be fixed by replacing the spline and/or driveshaft.
I needed more washer experience, so I decided to wait. A few months ago I checked out a used-appliance store, and there were a few GE machines and a 70's BD Kenmore. Among them were one of the last old-style GE's made (a 1994 Handwash model), and a mid 90's TOL Filter-Flo, complete with lint pan. The guy wanted $160 for the machine. If it's still there in 2 weeks, I might go back and get it if he comes down on the price.
Btw the Maytag is supposed to arrive on Friday. When I get it I'll get pics ASAP. Ditto with the Kenmore Jr.
--Austin
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Post# 36684-3/16/2004-23:13 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: I have two filter flo sets. I have the last model made. It is TOL with the mini basket and white control panel. I stole it new off the sales floor at sears for $320. I had ordered the next to the TOL but it was sold out. Boy, am I glad it did not buy the new design.
I grew up with a 1961 1050X TOL filter flo. That one is my personal holy grail. I thank Jimmy for finding a 1964 V14 for my collection and delivering it to me last month. I am building a new garage. It will have laundry set up for 3 washer dryer pairs. I will have a wash-in when it is all up and running.
BTW, my mid 90's GE has been in regular service now for 10 years and has never had a problem.
MK in LBC
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Post# 36685-3/16/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: I found a filter flo machine at one of the washer places out here-unfortunately it had been stored outside too long-the finish and control panel were faded.I was looking for an older one.The store operator would keep an eye out.He says he can get them on occasion.There is a "swap shop" here that has a Maytag coin-op machine that is older than the one in the POD picture.I might look into that one.One of my mothers homes had a GE filter flo with the minibasket. The one that I saw at the washer place had straight agitator blades but no minibasket.
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Post# 36686-3/17/2004-07:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Talk about misleading...(70's Kenmore on eBay; Buyers Beware) (Filter-Flos)
MESSAGE: You're not the only one...I'm also looking for the washer I grew up with, a 1986 MOL or TOL Westinghouse with a white straight-vane agitator. That was loads of fun to watch. Also, I see you're the current high bidder on the 60's Kenmore set.
It's good that the washer will go to a good home in Applianceville rather than go to someone who will just use it because it "looks cool".
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Post# 36687-3/17/2004-07:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire 1-18 POD
MESSAGE: That poppy red 1-18 set is a beauty;I wish that was as common as the white 1-18s! And too bad these aren't around anymore, thanks to the WCI monster that got Frigidaire moving "your clothes around in circles, like a conventional washer." "Conventional washer" is an exaggeration for the crap produced by WCI Frigidaire. If GM owned Frigidaire today, I'll bet you they'd still make the vertical-action agitators, and would corner the washer market. If only things did change...
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Post# 36688-3/17/2004-07:57 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: Do you think Frigidaire would make these machines again. I grew up with two of them. One was purchased in the late 60's and I think it was a WCI 65? The other one was purchased in the mid to late 70's, and I am not sure what the model was. However the later one had a larger tub and a different design on the agitator. The one from the 60's had a jet action agitator with a Rapidry 1000 spin. You would think they would be made again in that there are a lot of new machines that wash with wash plates,(Calipso, Harmony, etc.) I think the up and down of the Frigidaires did a better job at washing.
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Post# 36689-3/17/2004-07:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: I agree. Up-and-down agitators cleaned amazingly because they were the "kings of rollover".
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Post# 36690-3/17/2004-08:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
DD Kenmore Suds
MESSAGE: Last night I was fooling around with my '98 DD Kenmore when I discovered there was a setting where it would agitate, regardless of the water level. (If anyone has a Kenmore with the "new" control panel, it is the small grey notch past the "Heavy Duty" cycle.) I had 2 loads left, so I filled it about halfway up the agitator fins, and put it on agitate. After getting thick, creamy suds, I put it back on fill and let it fill up to a large load, then loaded the clothes through a small spot so it wouldn't ruin the immense suds buildup. I snapped a few pics, and the results speak for themselves! Now these are REAL suds!
--Austin
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/westytoploader/slideshow?.dir=/bbbb&.src=ph
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Post# 36691-3/17/2004-09:02 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (pics maybe =))
MESSAGE: Hi,
The supreme 80 was the machine my grandmother had when i was growing up, i've not seen one since hers, could you post pics? =)
~Steven
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Post# 36692-3/17/2004-09:06 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition
MESSAGE: that goes for me as well Rich, congrads :)
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Post# 36693-3/17/2004-10:10 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD
MESSAGE: Pardon my ignorance. When you refer to "WCI Frigidaire," are you referring to White-Westinghouse? If so, I couldn't agree more with you about the "crap" remark. I bought a front load stacking Kenmore in 1993 when I was living in an apartment. Sears replaced the motor twice (under the extended warranty, hee...hee). It was always out of balance and walked away during spin (after the tub slammed into the sides a couple of times). It was replaced two and a half years ago after I got so angry with it and kicked it so hard that I almost cracked the window and somehow screwed up the door.
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Post# 36694-3/17/2004-12:13 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: I have had the luck of the Irish with me this weekend. Here is a bit of green to share on St. Patrick's Day! Have a great Day!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/detail?.dir=/dfff&.dnm=b232.jpg
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Post# 36695-3/17/2004-13:53 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Those are gorgeous!!!!!!!!! Lucky you!
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Post# 36696-3/17/2004-14:24 ||| programcomputer (Lansing Mi, USA)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse,Signature, Lady Kenmore and Frigidaire...
MESSAGE: Hey,
I just did quite a bit of catalouge checking and it seems that after 1963 Norge did all of the washer buisness for Monkey-Wards. Before that, between 1956-1963 Westinghouse had the build rights for Signature stuff.
During the 1956-63 period, Wards did ALOT of promotion for the Westinghouse designed "revolving agitator" principal. Their 1959 catalog, for example even used an all color back cover to extoll the virtues of the Signature Custom Imperial in turquoise, which was the cousin for the 1959 Westinghouse L-1000.
I have been told by an ol service rep that worked for me years ago, that Montgomery Wards had "BIG problems" with the post 1958 machines...being Westinghouse dropped the original "transmission" design with the slant tub, to the horizontal axis "belt drive" design with the slanting loading chute. Wards did NOT follow the slant front theme as all 1959-63 Westinghouse built products had a flat front except for the washer/dryer combination which still followed the slant front theme.
Thru the 1960's and 70's Westinghouse it seems, was shunned by Montgomery Ward because it got a decently made product thru Norge. And Norge which had a full line of products including their wringer washers, had somehting that up until the next year 1964 Westinghouse did NOT have " a top loading agitator washer".
M-Wards 1972 catalog shows a big line of Norge built machines, including a single wringer model.And extolled the virtues of it's agitator lint filter "the Burp-up style" as we reffer to it as.
BUT by 1978, Wards started using WCI produced White-Westinghouse automatics including front loaders and their matching dryer counterparts again with one exception...after 1963, Wards didn't market a washer/dryer combo again. In this same year in question 1978 They marketed both W-Westinghouse stuff and Norge stuff , sans their wringer washers, but replaced with a Speed Queen Wringer washer. Three different companies producing three totally different styles of machines.
Now onto Sears....my 1978 F&W and 1979 Fall and Winter catalog offered two different lines the deep tub 29 in. models, and the regular tub 24in. models. They also offered a Dual Action kit to retrofit any machine made AFTER 1967. My 1983 catalog has the same offering as well...yet in this one it says any machine made after 1970. So go figure...
Also note that a few years later Sears started their "Brand Central" line featuring Kenmore, Whirlpool ( the same thing) and General Electric. Later still they added Maytag which is what they feature to this day amongst a few OTHER brands.
About Frigidaire "re-introducing" the Jet-Action machines...I really can see (for myself)that Frigidiare most likely will not do this. If any of you follow today's market, you will know that the government is pushing "HARDCORE" for concessions from the washer makers for the most water efficient machines they can make....either top or front loading. Hence today's Calypso's, Maytags New TL Neptune with the bowl shaped tubs and more anon.
Electrolux/Frigidiare right now is fighting for survival of the fittest, and really has NO plans to introduce new laundry machines that I know of. Their last was their revamping of the front loader, which occured in the mod 1990's.I mean they just yanked over 1000 + jobs out of Michigan to send to Meh-hie-co.
They aren't doing too well...
Yours
Chad
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Post# 36697-3/17/2004-15:27 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire POD
MESSAGE: I wonder where thet Jet-Flow lint filter went? I can't see it anywhere in the picture. (maybe it shook out of the slot during that last spin cycle!)
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Post# 36698-3/17/2004-15:32 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool Set for Sale
MESSAGE: Hi,
Anyone interested in my lovely avocado green 1970 washer & dryer? They're in perfect working order. I just need to make room for more stuff so they have to go. Please let me know. I'm in Phoenix.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/album?.dir=/a2e1&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/toddmetcalf38/my_photos
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Post# 36699-3/17/2004-16:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Recent Acquisition (Recent Acquisition )
MESSAGE: Unfourtinatly those machines will never be made again. It was actually general motors that made them. When frigidaire was sold the factories that made the appliances stayed with general motors. wci paid gm to make the appliances for awhile than decided to pull out and than general motors shut everything down. Through the years so much has been discussed about having it brought back but at this point I dont see that happening. Especially with the new water savings laws - it would have to come back as a resource saver. All frigidaire appliances produced after 1980 are realy westinghouse! (ycky)
Electrolux has made changes to the product in 20 years but it will never be the quarlity or inovation of the GM frigidaire.
Peter
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Post# 36700-3/17/2004-17:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD
MESSAGE: Yes, WCI=White Consolidated Industries. When WCI bought Westinghouse, they changed it to "White-Westinghouse". The most infamous purchase by WCI was GM Frigidaire, which led to the fateful demise of vertical-action agitators.
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Post# 36701-3/17/2004-17:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale
MESSAGE: I love this set (especially the washer). Too bad it's not close to me...
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Post# 36702-3/17/2004-17:10 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: DD Kenmore Suds
MESSAGE: Funny pictures, but shall we stick to classic appliances again? If you want to share things about younger ones you can always do that in the Sandbox
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/
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Post# 36703-3/17/2004-17:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Congratulations! Did you get that from eBay? I think I remember seeing a similar set being offered there.
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Post# 36704-3/17/2004-17:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
GE Spotscrubber Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: I looked at a resale shop in the Heights and I found, in the back next to a coppertone Lady Kenmore portable dryer, a late 1970's TOL GE Spotscrubber Filter-Flo, complete with blue Mini-Basket, white fabric softener dispenser, and blue 11" lint pan (the bigger out of two types). It has a 6" backsplash and the larger 16 lb. capacity tub instead of the 14 lb. All controls seem to work (they rotate), and the tub is in remarkable shape considering the machine has sat there for awhile. The white curved-vane Activator is in excellent shape and the shaft isn't frozen, however wouldn't budge when I tried the "pull up hard" technique listed in my Belt-Drive GE Repair Manual (probably a job for my Agi-Tamer). The only rust I could see was some small surface rust under the lid in a corner. It had a little lint & dye residue in the fabric softener dispenser, the Mini-Basket & the lid, and the newer fill valve has a little sediment in the filters, and everything needed a good cleaning, however, the tub shield, filter pan, and nozzle were in good shape. I couldn't find an outlet to plug it in, but it looks like it would run if I cleaned it up, replaced the fill & drain hoses, and made sure everything worked properly. Nobody probably knows what it's worth, so I'll wait a few weeks while I get the Kenmore Jr. & the Maytag Portable (which will probably need a little work, if any) fixed up, and until we rent a U-Haul and buy an appliance dolly. So, for all the Applianceville members, when was this model produced, and how rare is it? Like I said, it has the Mini-Basket, white curved-vane Activator with 6 notches at the top followed by a cap, the 6-inch backsplash, toggle controls, and the 16 lb. capacity tub.
Any more information would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Austin
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Post# 36705-3/17/2004-18:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Check out my 1959...
MESSAGE: ZENITH!
Right click.. save as...
LINK: http://members.cox.net/rotoswirl/videos/zenith.wmv
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Post# 36706-3/17/2004-19:55 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: WCI was swallowed by A.B. Electrolux in 1986, and the machines have only gotten worse. The WCI Frigidaires are heartbreaking when compared to their GM forefathers, but at least WCI used some metal in their construction. Electrolux has a fantastic reputation in Europe and Australia, but in the U.S. they make junk that continues to smear a great name.
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Post# 36707-3/17/2004-20:28 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale (Just my luck :()
MESSAGE: I am sorry that you are having to sell this set. They are in great shape and I would truly love to add them to my collection. It is one of the sets I've been looking for. My mom had a set like them, only in white. Only one problem though, I would have to hock my house to get them from Arizona to Tennessee. I got a quote from Craters & Freighters about a week ago to have a $30.00 Dryer shipped from San Francisco. (Found one on Ebay that matches a washer that I have) The quote was 362.00 just for it. I had to reluctantly pass on it. I just hope someone buys them from you that can give them the TLC they need and enjoy them for the great machines they are.
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Post# 36708-3/17/2004-20:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: That is true. I think WCI kept the recirculating filter (even though it wasn't the Jet-Flow) for a few years after GM, the 1-18 style control panel, and had the "four-head" fill system. Now today's Electrolux Frigidaire machines, even compared to the post-GM WCI machines, are shunned by all consumers. The only machines halfway decent are the front-loaders, but I used my aunt's Frigidaire and I thought it was unimpressive, and it held my clothes hostage! If Frigidaire only had the top-loader market, I'm not sure they'd still be making washers today...
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Post# 36709-3/17/2004-20:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Here she is, nestled in her new home and I brought home a few friends, a 1950 Emerson Radiophono and a 1959 Hallicrafters S-38E
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/kenmore800/album?.dir=/6970&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/kenmore800
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Post# 36710-3/17/2004-20:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale (Just my luck :()
MESSAGE: $362 for a dryer?
I was going to buy a 1-18 from someone, but I ended up miscalculating the weight on freight, which was going to be very expensive. My rule of thumb is if it's in my area (in Texas itself at the very most), then purchase is somewhat convenient.
Now of course if you HAD to have the Whirlpool set you could always pick the machine up, but that would be a large waste of time as well as gas.
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Post# 36711-3/17/2004-20:40 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale (Just my luck :( Yes Its True!!!! )
MESSAGE: Yes, $362! I had my Maytag model 30 wringer shipped to me from Iowa for $160 and it weighs 3 times a much. I have checked in to other options, but I have not found anything yet that is "reasonable"
So I guess at this point, I will have to continue my hunt locally for these machines.
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Post# 36712-3/17/2004-21:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: DD Kenmore Suds (the rise and fall)
MESSAGE: That's impressive! Amazing how suds rise and then fall when agitated vigorously.
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Post# 36713-3/17/2004-21:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Jason, congratulations on your new vintage acquisitions! My first vintage television was also a '59 Zenith. What exactly is a 1950 Emerson Radiophono and a 1959 Hallicrafters S-38E? What's the electronic condition of the Zenith, is it going to need some work?
You should also join and share your find with the guys at the Audio Karma Vintage TV Club...
LINK: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums//forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&forumid=19
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Post# 36714-3/17/2004-21:24 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing that Jason.I worked for an RCA-Zenith tv & appliance store in the early 1970's,when those old B&W sets were being traded in.They always had good sound,as well as picture.I thought they were cool,as the control knob shafts went through the protective glass over the picture tube.We sold the best ones used for a "song".The others we simply broke the neck off on the picture tube,and they went to the crusher.Same went for the early color sets.Our store sold the first color set in Indiana.It was a 1954 RCA. It was traded in years later and the owner kept it as a sort of keepsake.I never saw it play,as it was just stored in the basement of the appliance store. I would go snoop around at it when we were slow.It had the usual 50's/early 1960's round picture tube,with the top and bottom cut off by the bezel.Not sure if they had the Rare Earth type in 54. The cabinet was the red mahogany,and it was HUGE!! The back came off for service,and the top slid off from behind,after removing the back. The channel knob was on the right,and loudness on the left.Color controls were in a brass compartment at the bottom center.Brightness,contrast,red hue,green hue,and intensity.Along with horizonal,and vertical holds. I often wonder what happened to that set,as the store was torn down in the early 1990's. The oldest working color sets I ever saw were a 1956 RCA,and a 1957 Zenith.The old color sets had a much more vivid color than we have today.
I bet that old B&W Zenith is fun to watch old movies on!
Rickr
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Post# 36715-3/17/2004-21:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Very nice Zenith TV-the Beatles Ed Sullivan show is a fitting image to put on it.
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Post# 36716-3/17/2004-21:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: Didn't WCI-Frigidaire build some TL machines for Kenmore-I saw two models at Sears in the Late 90's.A friend and I were looking at machines at Sears to replace his GE that blew up.One model was a combo machine-bottom mount TL washer and a top mount dryer.The other model was a stand alone TL washer.They both had straight vane agitators and perforated plastic inner tubs.Even the Sears Salesman didn't recommend them.He bought a top of the line WP-KN machine that had the detergent,bleach and softner dipensers in the lid.It was a more deluxe model than the 80 series. This was at the Sears store in Manassas Va.
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Post# 36717-3/17/2004-21:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: I think the reason they were more "vivid" is becuase users cranked the Chroma,Brightness, and contrast all the way up.The phospors today are much better.In the old sets-when the pix tube guns went-the proper thing to do when rebuilding the tube was replace the phospors as well as the guns.The early phospors were more sensitive to "burn-in" than todays.The pix tubes were commonly rebuilt in those days-since they were VERY expensive,and they were short lived. It wasn't unusual to replce the CRT several times during the sets lifetime.All the phospors in CRTS were "rare Earth" since they are made from Rare alkali metal salts.-this applied to pix tubes as well as the early camera tubes-those used similar phospors.
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Post# 36718-3/17/2004-21:44 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Hi Don, They are just breathtaking, such a beautiful set. I am so happy that you were able to get them!! Terry
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Post# 36719-3/17/2004-21:54 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (radios)
MESSAGE: The 1950 Emerson is the brown box looking radio sitting on top of the TV. you open the lid and it has the radio controls and a 3 speed record changer. The Hallicrafters radio is the small grey radio on top. It's an AM/SW radio. I picked up London on it the other night.
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Post# 36720-3/17/2004-22:03 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Electronically it's 80% there. The vertical section needs new caps and some adjustment. The linearity is not right but it still gives a pretty good image. The sound is almost perfect with just a very slight hum. The sound is hi-fi. There are actually bass and treble controls. The sound is very rich and warm but crystal clear. The speaker has a nice baritone sound to it so bass notes really stand out.
It hasn't been played in a while. The more I play it, the better it gets. Those tubes are getting hot and back into shape again. After the minor electronic repairs, it will be near perfect as far as an antique TV goes.
I have an RF modulator that has audio/video inputs for the DVD player and a cable pass through so I can tune the TV to 3 and tune my VCR to TV Land. I can also play a tape or when I start the DVD player, the RF modulator magically switches on and feeds the DVD playback to the TV.
I'm gonna make a DVD with all the old 50s appliance commercials and watch them on my old TV.
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Post# 36721-3/17/2004-22:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: WOW! Excellent-looking TV! Would I love to get my hands on one of those...
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Post# 36722-3/17/2004-22:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: My favorite type of TV is the Magnavox round-tube "Astro-Sonic Theatre" of the 60's. It was a high-end model combined a TV, Magnavox's famous "Micro-Matic" turntable, and an AM/FM radio in one! Many surround sound systems are based on this one as well. It sold for $795 in 1965.
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Post# 36723-3/17/2004-22:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: Yes, they built (and still build) some stackable machines for Kenmore. I've looked at some of 'em, but I like the Whirlpool-built Kenmore stackables better. But probably the best stackable was the GM Skinni-Mini.
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Post# 36724-3/17/2004-22:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale ((You're not alone either))
MESSAGE: Shipping was OUTRAGEOUS for the Maytag Porta-Pair set I bought on eBay, so I bought just the washer. It weighed 120 lbs., but was small enough to ship by UPS, so it cost $104. The dryer actually cost more than the washer to ship, and it weighed less!
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Post# 36725-3/17/2004-22:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: DD Kenmore Suds (the rise and fall)
MESSAGE: What I forgot to say was that low-water agitation is VERY splashy, so proceed at your own risk...HAHAHAHA
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Post# 36726-3/17/2004-22:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (1959 Zenith YA!)
MESSAGE: Sadly I saw one the Maganavox Home theater sets on the curb when I lived in Manassas VA. My townhome just didn't have enough room for it. I did want to Rescue it.Yes the Early 60's Magnavox components were supurb. Would put them up against some of the Hi-end Hi fi of today. My mother had a Maganavox Hi-Fi console that had the "Micro-Matic" turntable-Replaced the motor in it once.The un it had a nice AM-FM tuner-TT preamp in it. The speaker Systems in it were Bi-amped!!Each power amp unit in it had an electronic crossover that fed the amp sections on the power amp chassis.The tweeter section was a PP pair of 6V6GTA tubes-probably good for about 15W. the woofer was fed by 6-PP parallel 6V6GTA tubes-good for at least 40W.The speakers were cast frame Jensen made for Maganavox-Jensen and Maganavox were together at the time.The woofer were 15" size. The tweeter was an expontial horn type.I replaced the tubes in the units and they performed well. I added a CD player to the unit-the sound was supurb. She bought a new component system and gave the Maganavox to Salvation army. I wanted it so bad because I liked it and worked on it so much. Maybe I can find another.I beleive it was the "Concert-Grand" model series.
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Post# 36727-3/18/2004-00:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Yes the caps in the vert osc and sweep section need replacing-and the set has to "re-breakin " for awhile after not being used.I bet after replacing caps and linearity,height adjustments-it should be perfect.Some of the tubes may be soft as well.The pix tube looks like in excellent shape.The Horizontal looks pretty good-don't see any horizontal lines in the picture.
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Post# 36728-3/18/2004-04:48 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: It's nice to be nostalgic,but the last years of the GM Frigidaire washers were truly terrible! I remember having 3-4 of them at a time in my dad's shop.Transmission bearings,usually from failed bellows seals,broken agitator shaft arms,etc.Two washers would leave repaired,and two more would show up to replace them. In fact,they had such a problem with center seal leaks,that some of the later models had a plastic "diverter tray" on the bottom of the transmission,so that when (not if) it leaked,the water would be diverted from running on and ruining the motor.Most were fixed under warranty,which I'm sure cost GM/Frigidaire a bunch o' money!
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Post# 36729-3/18/2004-07:23 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: These are the ones. I was in Chicago last weekend, and made a side trip to Toledo to get them. Never used-what are the chances of that!
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Post# 36730-3/18/2004-07:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: I can't wait to see them - glad you figured out the motor glide problem, they should hopefully be running perfectly now!
Congratulations - well worth the trip to get them for sure!
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Post# 36731-3/18/2004-07:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (photos)
MESSAGE: Beautiful Jason - thanks for sharing the photos. This is similar to a Zenith my grandparents had for many years - I spent many hours glued to the screen absorbing The Price Is Right and Let's Make a Deal!
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Post# 36732-3/18/2004-08:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... ("
soft"
tubes)
MESSAGE: What is exactly the tubes being soft? Meaning getting weak?
One weekend I'm gonna bring to a good friend of mine who has a TV license. He builds his own tvs! He says tube TVs are no problem, just bring it over. We'll recap it and adjust the picture and it should be good as new.
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Post# 36733-3/18/2004-10:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: I also know that in the last years, they switched the timer knobs from metal to plastic and had only one agitation/spin speed. If I find a 1-18, it will be from the early 70's.
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Post# 36734-3/18/2004-13:24 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
Members 68 Maytag pair from EBAY
MESSAGE: Hi all: A couple months ago a member did a buy it now on ebay on a pair of turquoise 68 Maytags. I was wondering if he got them yet and what shape they were in. I was considering them, but affraid because I'm not too handy! Thanks
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Post# 36735-3/18/2004-14:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Members 68 Maytag pair from EBAY
MESSAGE: That was Don (jetaction). He just received them and they do work. There are some previous posts about these that are much more detailed.
--Austin
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Post# 36736-3/18/2004-14:23 ||| 1984pol (Belgium)
SUBJECT:
GE Mobile Maid dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hello,
I have a GE dishwasher and I can find no information about it
on the internet.
I would like to know if there are still parts availlable for
this machine or a schedule or a users manual or parts list or so.
Now i would like to restore it, however it's in very good condition. At the inside there is at the bottom a spot of rust with a tiny hole trough it from about 1mm on 1 mm. This must be fixed. they told me the machine was still in fine working condition.
It is a portable dishwasher and a top-loader. The button for operation is at the front with the
text "power shower". At the top is also a text "Mobile Maid".
This are the specifications at the back of the machine:
General Electric dishwasher
220V ~ 50cycle 2000W 9.1A
motor: 450W Heater 2000W
Model No: SM-220Y1
Serial No: SY7-00596
For alternating current only
N.P. 145A8381 Louisville KY Made in USA
I have pictures from the machine but i can't send them with this message, i think. So if someone wants the pictures feel free to mail me.
So everything about this machine would be welcome.
I hope someone can tell me something moere about this appliance.
Best regards, Pol
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Post# 36737-3/18/2004-14:57 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: From one Irishman to another...
MESSAGE: Congrats!
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Post# 36738-3/18/2004-15:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: Frigidaire had a complete line of multispeed washers up until the bitter end. Most of the knobs after 1963 were plastic or chrome-looking plastic. The last 1-18 Custom Imperial washer had the slick rapid advance timer and the water level that automatically changed the agitation speed to low when the level was set to small or lower.
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Post# 36739-3/18/2004-15:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: Here's an example of a BOL '79 Frigidaire. One of the last of the Jet-Actions. It is pretty obvious just by looking at this model that these machines were being phased out. It has the white knobs, one agitation/spin speed, and the 18 lb. capacity tub has been reduced to 16. This particular model is owned by
oldappliancenut .
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/oldappliancenut/slideshow?&.dir=/79+frig&.src=ph
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Post# 36740-3/18/2004-15:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
For anyone who has twin-tub machines...
MESSAGE: I found this Yahoo! Group while looking at someone's profile (forgot who it was). The Twin-Tub Emporium is for anyone who is interested in/collects twin-tub spin-drying washers. It seemed to have been hidden for awhile, so I though I'd point it out to everyone. I think I'm linking this right...
--Austin
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/twintubemporium
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Post# 36741-3/18/2004-16:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: BOL... That is what they did. The TOL is the real Cadillac...
-ph
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Post# 36742-3/18/2004-16:25 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: Someone really needs to rescue this fine pair...
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3804809515
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Post# 36743-3/18/2004-16:29 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (pics of an early 70's model)
MESSAGE: That's not a '79. It's more like a very early 70's model. You can tell by the graphics around the timer and the Jet Cone emblem next to the 1-18 emblem.
-ph
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Post# 36744-3/18/2004-16:48 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: The phospors in early color sets produced more pleasing color than modern ones, but not as brite or durable.
Ken D.
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Post# 36745-3/18/2004-17:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And don't forget...))
MESSAGE: Many of the Frigidaire knobs on the laundry products were made from plastics of different composition, from 1947 through the end in '79.
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Post# 36746-3/18/2004-17:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (pics of an early 70's model)
MESSAGE: ...and the lid switch location.
BOL machine with only 16lb capacity, factory preset water level. Probably a "value leader" item that could be advertised for a very low price to bring the ladies in by the busloads to buy Frigidaire! Of course they might be "upsold" to a more fully featured model when they saw all the advantages additional features could give them.
In the later 70's there was even a BOL washer that had a timed fill, Deep Action agitator (blue space capsule) one speed and cycle with only a 12lb capacity - all in the standard 18lb cabinet, tub and mechanism. Now that's value!
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Post# 36747-3/18/2004-17:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (pics of an early 70's model)
MESSAGE: I never looked once at that lidswitch! The Rapidry machines had the lidswitch in this location, and the 1-18 models had the lidswitch in the back center of the tub opening. And all this time I thought it was indeed a 79....
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Post# 36748-3/18/2004-18:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: A good reason I was saying the new phospor formulations are better is because they do last longer.-and even at the high brightness-contrast levels that most people adjust their TV to.Example-Go to a Circuit city or Best Buy store and watch the people who are looking at TVs-esp when they adjust them-You will see them try to set the brightness and contrast levels all the way up!!This is hard aon any CRT or plasma set.Both use phospors that will be burned from this. I have mine set at a lower level.The picture is MUCH better.Its not high bright-but how real or "beleivable" the picture is.The factories also "preset" brightness and contrast levels all the way up too.Modern Tlelevision cameras no longer use phospor equipped pickup tubes-they use Charge-coupled -devices instead-Solid state.Old pickup tubes were like CRTS in a way-bright light levels could damage them-also having them "look" at the same scenne for awhile could burn it into the tube.At TV stations that used pickup tube cameras(orthocons,plumbicons)the cameras were left on the but the lens was capped.You uncapped it to use the camera-then recapped it when not in use.I have some of these pickup tubes in my broadcast equipment collection.
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Post# 36749-3/18/2004-18:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959...
MESSAGE: Yes I was referring to tubes that could be getting weak.You may want to check the ones in your sets Vert sweep stages.That could explain why Mr.McCartney has a tall head.-as shown on the picture of the TV.As I look at the pictures and talk about thse old TV's its coming back to me how to fix them.Haven't worked on them in a very long time-many years.Yes the beaity of the Vacuum tube TV's and other tube electronics is that THEY CAN BE FIXED-even if it is very old-by replacing tubes or caps(electrolytics the most common culprits)What "license" does your friend have-I have a First Class FCC license(when they were issued to people that worked on broadcast equipment-it was the law at one time-you had to be FCC licensed to work on broadcast trasnmitting equipment)The derergulation of the broadcast industry today did away with the FCC licenses.For your sets age it looks excellent though.Don't see any horizontal retrace lines in the picture.-and it is pretty clean and bright.Details stand out well.Congradulations-you did find a good speciman to fix up.Most of the ones I ran into in the past were in pretty bad shape.
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Post# 36750-3/18/2004-23:55 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: If the dryer was an 806 wouldn't it be a "halo of heat" model? How about an 808?
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Post# 36751-3/19/2004-00:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: I wanted to add something on the modern picture pickup devices-Most of the pictures you see on your TV today come from such devices-they don't use phospors at all.Only your receiver uses them-CRT and plasma sets.The resolution of the non phospor devices is greater.Modern HDTV would not be possible without them.Also the CRT can give better resolution than LCD,CCOS,DLP devices at present.The newer devices are improving quickly though.If you saw a movie at "Digital" presentation-it would be with a 3 chip DLP projector.One chip for each basic color-RBG.The problem with these projectors is the very high wattage Xenon lamps produce a lot of heat that too is focused thru the DLP"s-It is the same lamphose used with 35,70mm projectors.The film is moving-so heat doesn't accumilate. Wit the DLP it is not. The heat burns them-they are good for only several monthsa.
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Post# 36752-3/19/2004-05:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: That is an 808.You can tell by the larger door.Gold color on the console is another clue,although I've seen "Halo of Heat 606's with the gold.
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Post# 36753-3/19/2004-06:06 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD ((And how quickly we forgot...))
MESSAGE: This is a 1974 model. I can tell by looking at the control panel. I think they stopped making the 16 lb model before the end. Also I think but not sure if you remove the front panel it will give the date the machine was made.
Peter
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Post# 36754-3/19/2004-06:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (Lid Switches)
MESSAGE: When did Frigidaire start putting the lidswitch in the center? (Unless it was done strictly based on the model; upper-end models had it in the center, BOL models had it by the top hinge)
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Post# 36755-3/19/2004-06:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: Wow, a US made machine built for export! I imagine there must be an equivalent US model that would have the same parts except for the 220 Volt 50 cycle components. et yourself a free Yahoo account and then you can post the pictures.
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Post# 36756-3/19/2004-07:08 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire 1-18 POD (Lid Switches)
MESSAGE: It was from the 1976 until the 1980 end - and as I remember all the models from that point in time had the lid switch in the center.
Peter
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Post# 36757-3/19/2004-08:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Philco POD
MESSAGE: Wow, a gorgeous 60's Philco Miss America with the "undertow" agitator! Unfortunately they're so rare the chances of finding one are slim to none...also notice how the tub size has increased to 12 lb. from '59, and the lid opens from the
left. On a usual side-hinged washer the lid opens from the right instead. I thought at first that the picture could be reversed, but then the "Miss America" and "Philco" logos in front would be backwards. Any explanations?
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Post# 36758-3/19/2004-08:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: OK, thanks for all the info on the TV set. It's much fun to watch old B&W shows with a DVD hooked up to it. Color shows don't look so good on an old B&W so I'm gonna stick with B&W only.
I'm gonna get with my TV fixin' friend. We're gonna recap, get the picture perfect on the old set and Paul McCartney's swelled head will swell no more :-)
There's a great club in Audiokarma.org where they collect all kinds of audio and video equipment including vintage. There's a group in there that collects 60s-70s TVs (YES!!!).
Check it out, it's awesome!
Thanks Robert for pointing that site out!
LINK: http://www.audiokarma.org
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Post# 36759-3/19/2004-09:00 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: To those of us who actually know the difference, yes the dryer is an 808. But you have to remember that in the world of simple minds no one would follow Maytag's plan or understand that they really are a matched pair.
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Post# 36760-3/19/2004-09:41 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Finally got some free time to sit and post pics of the appliances I brought home from out west. The pink dishwasher is going in my kitchen, the the Frigidaire dryer and GE dryer were just too good to past up. I had searched for years for the Frigidaire fold down cook top. Cant really use it in my kitchen (yet!) but at least I found one!. The GE wall refrigerator is not working, and that makes 3 now that I have. You have not lived until you have had to move or hang a GE wall refrigerator! MANY thanks to club member Gary Ball in Santa Ana for saving these wonderful things for me, AND to Rich (golittlesport) for giving me the lead on them.....
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo
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Post# 36761-3/19/2004-09:55 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Has anyone noticed that there is something different about that agitator? It does not look like th original. Has anyone besides myself noticed?
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Post# 36762-3/19/2004-09:58 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Frigidaire dryer question)
MESSAGE: What is the little compartment on the control panel for? Is it a lint trap, or another exhaust?
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Post# 36763-3/19/2004-09:58 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay
MESSAGE: Guys! dont be so picky! Those machines look wonderful, and are well worth the $200.00 asking bid. Thats only $100.00 each for working machines......
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Post# 36764-3/19/2004-10:00 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: I noticed that also.Looks like a load sensor agitator
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Post# 36765-3/19/2004-10:03 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Frigidaire dryer question)
MESSAGE: The door on the Frigidaire dryer console is the water sprinkler fill. You add water to it and it magically sprinkles your clothes! (tho why anyone would want to put clothes in a dryer to make them wet again is beyond me, ha)
It was used to make the clothes wet again for ironing......
That is the top of the line Frigidaire dryer, btw, with "Tumble Control", and the moisture sensor cone in the back of the drum. There is no timer on this machine, only a sensor and the dial is set to the amount of dryness that is desired......I think its about a 1968 model. Maybe the Frigidaire experts can give us more input on it......
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Post# 36766-3/19/2004-11:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: I noticed there was a lip on the fabric softener dispenser; usually it would be just one piece, built into the agitator.
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Post# 36767-3/19/2004-11:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing these wonderful finds with us. Not too long ago I saw a pink built-in GE Kitchen set on eBay, complete with pink wall refrigerator. The seller remarked that the wall fridge was indeed rare, so that's quite an accomplishment to locate one (and get it home :)). Great-looking dryers (and old cars in the background) too! If you have the matching washers you'd have complete sets!
--Austin
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Post# 36768-3/19/2004-11:28 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, Matched sets are my passion. Just love them. Got the lead on the matching washer for the GE dryer, keeping my fingers crossed about it. The matching washer for the Frigidaire dryer would be a real find....its such a stunning set with the rectangular lighted windows.....and the pointer in the dial too.......
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Post# 36769-3/19/2004-12:42 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco POD (To Any/All Philco Fans.......)
MESSAGE: I believe that the washer that is featured in today's "POD" is a 1963 Miss America ((I believe)........ The Year I Was Born........ Yay Yay!!!!!!). And I also happen to think that that was one of the most beautiful washers Philco has ever built.
But now, what I want to know was were there push buttons located on the left end of the panel??? And was the control panel lighted??? This was Philco's TOL Washer that year, correct????? And this was before Ford came in and took over????
I know........ so many questions and what not..... but Kenmore minds (like myself) want to know.......
--Charles--
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Post# 36770-3/19/2004-12:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics Jimmy - what a haul! Everything looks great. What is the model number of your Frigidaire dryer? It will be interesting to hear what you think of that sensor, should be fun to play with.
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Post# 36771-3/19/2004-13:10 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Jimmy your "finds" are treasures! The dishmobile with the use instructions on the inner door is interesting. The Frigidaire dryer is very neat.
There was a "live better electrically" model home on the next street where we lived in NY. It was outfitted with a harvest gold CI laundry pair of this vintage along with the kitchen appliances. A bit off topic, but the driveway and sidewalks were heated. Also had motorized curtain rods to open and close the floor to ceiling draperies. Thinking this was '68-'69 .......have to verify with the folks!
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Post# 36772-3/19/2004-15:07 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Great Finds!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
Thanks so much for posting pictures of your finds!
I just love the pink portable Frigidaire dishwasher! It looks like it has never been used! Is this going to replace the Frigidaire that replaced the GE? I love the color!
Another GE Wall Fridge! That is amazing! Do you still have the one in your garage that worked so well? I could not remember if you sold that one or not. For some reason I remember you saying that Bruce was interested in it, but I am not sure.
Thanks again for the pictures. You will NEVER be bored with all of your fun things!
Brent
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Post# 36773-3/19/2004-17:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Finally got it...Maytag Porta-Washer!!!
MESSAGE: Today has been very exciting for me because...the avocado green Maytag Porta-Washer I've been waiting 2 weeks on finally arrived today! After getting the crate off, I fired it up in the garage, and it works great! It's also an amazingly quiet machine (quieter than my Monitor, which is 3 times smaller, if you can believe that!). The dual propellers are in very good shape reverse every 30 seconds, and I defeated the spin latch mechanism with a screwdriver (I really don't recommend this because A. It spins disconcertingly fast; faster than my Kenmore B. The force of the centrifugal spin brake engaging will give you "white knuckles".). So far it's been fun to play with, and after a good cleaning, I'll post some pics of its maiden load.
Regards,
Austin
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Post# 36774-3/19/2004-18:42 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (pics maybe =))
MESSAGE: if i had a camera i would,but she is a beaut,harvest gold,with a super surgulator,not the double duty agitator,the traditional surgulator,and it`ll handle a huge load
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Post# 36775-3/19/2004-18:43 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Set for Sale
MESSAGE: how much are you asking for them
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Post# 36776-3/19/2004-18:46 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: how much would you sell it for and how and where are the bushings and seals as i`m just learning the hard way,but it is fun because i enjoy doing it,e-mail at smoochies189@aol.com
rock
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Post# 36777-3/19/2004-18:50 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: the model number is LDA7800J2 is model num,serial num is c61707177
rock
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Post# 36778-3/19/2004-18:59 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: i`m looking to increase the spin speed of old berl drive whirlpool,can anyone tell me where or how i can get a smaller pully,should i bring it to a machine shop and have them make me a pully a half inch or inch smaller to speed it up, and does anyone know if the basket will hold up?
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Post# 36779-3/19/2004-20:24 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Great Finds!)
MESSAGE: Yes Brent, the aqua GE roll out dishwasher that was in my kitchen when you were here is long gone and now lives in Bakersfield Calif. I put a Kitchenaid KDS-17 in its place, the one I got from Myra. Made it aqua also to match the rest of the appliances. It works wonderfully, but not as dramatic as the GE. I plan on using the pink Frigidiare Dishmobile someday in the kitchen, but want to play with it as a portable for a while yet.
I still have the GE wall refrigerator in my workshop that you saw when you were here. Also got an aqua one from Philadelphia last summer and had all new refrigeration system installed by my service man. And the one you just saw in the pics, so that makes three! Talk about complusive excessive! hah The latest GE is a very early model, with lots of suttle differences from the others.
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Post# 36780-3/19/2004-20:46 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004 (Great Finds!)
MESSAGE: congrads Jimmy, the pics came out great ...... :)
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Post# 36781-3/19/2004-22:44 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: I wouldn't try that.Those machines was very well designed,and will last and last,but they were to spin at 580 rpm. The bearings,motor/overload protection,clutch/brake,shafts,suspention, etc. were designed for the machine to spin @580. You will shorten or end the life of a great machine. If you want an affordable machine that spins fast,look for a 1960's GE Filter-Flo. They are less rare than the beloved Frigidaire,and are better built in my opinion.(Perhaps the 1970's Filter-Flo was a fast spinner too??)Just rebuild your "new" Whirly back to stock,and you'll have a reliable old friend for life.
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Post# 36782-3/19/2004-22:58 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy, What great treasures you brought home with you! You are going to be busy with these for a while. Love that Frigidare dryer. From the looks of it I am betting that the console lights up as well. I didn't realize you had replaced your GE dishwasher in your kitchen already. I remember the KA that we brought home from Myra's. That was a beautiful machine and in such great shape. I bet you are enjoying it. Thanks for sharing the pictures with us. Terry
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Post# 36783-3/20/2004-00:26 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast Finds, 2004
MESSAGE: Very nice pics Jimmy-Congratulations to you!
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Post# 36784-3/20/2004-00:33 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: OI VEY!!! Does anyone know a Maytag agitator?? That is a Power Fin 12.
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Post# 36785-3/20/2004-00:38 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: It depends on the age of the machine. The old machines that used the cast iron pulley can be cut at a machine shop. The newer ones can not.
The easiest way is to change the motor pulley. Don't change the pulley size by more than a 1/2 inch. The spin will be about 710 =/-. It will change the agitation speed too. However these machines were not designed for high spin speeds. It will go out of balance easier and the machine will walk to the left.
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Post# 36786-3/20/2004-00:41 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: There is super capacity 73 Lady Kenmore that has been spinning at 700+ RPM for well over 20 years in this club and is still going strong. There is also a 65 Lady spinning at the same speed with no problems either.
Granted, everything in both machines was completely rebuilt, replaced and upgraded before the speed was increased.
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Post# 36787-3/20/2004-01:31 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: Just curious . . . what color is your machine? "J" in the model number should be the color code, and I don't recall what color that letter designates.
We had an LDA7800W2 (white).
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Post# 36788-3/20/2004-02:13 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (pics maybe =))
MESSAGE: I know what you mean about that basic Whirlpool Super Surgilator. I've put one of those in a extra capacity Kenmore with the Dual-Action and the water level was about an inch over the top of the upper fins and the clothes got suck down and burped the back up without missing a beat doing a full load! Its just one awesome design.....
Now think if Whirlpool would have made this same agitator with power fins? It will reduce drag on the agitator and extend the life of the motor and transmission, this is why Maytag washers lasts so long!
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Post# 36789-3/20/2004-03:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed (smaller pulley)
MESSAGE: Good luck with that project, this subject has been brought up before. You'd have to make the basket drive pulley smaller and that will be a real problem.
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Post# 36790-3/20/2004-05:26 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco POD (To Any/All Philco Fans.......)
MESSAGE: Yes, there were pushbuttons along the bottom left - difficult to see because they are black. The control panel was lighted and yes, that was the Philco TOL model. Truly a beautiful machine. I believe that Philco was already a division of Ford by that time - they just didn't use "Ford" in the name. It was a 1963 model as the source for that ad was a 1963 magazine. It was in 1964 that Philco dropped the "Bendix" from the laundry line and was just plain Philco for a year or two - then started using Philco Ford on all their appliances.
You're right - those are incredibly rare finds - and they would be even rarer in color. That year, they were offered in turquoise, pink and brown also. Imagine a nice pink pair - - scarce as "hen's teeth".....
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Post# 36791-3/20/2004-07:50 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: I should have known....OOPS!Did Maytag start using this agitator after they did away with the turquoise power fin?
Also is this the agitator Maytag is now using in their stacked laundry machines?
By the way Jason,of the several Maytag agitators, which do you find from experience is the most effective one?
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Post# 36792-3/20/2004-08:25 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?) (thanks for the great advise(are these parts still avaliable))
MESSAGE: it`s harvest gold
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Post# 36793-3/20/2004-08:28 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed
MESSAGE: cool
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Post# 36794-3/20/2004-09:07 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: On washday I run three machines at the same time, two old Kenmores and an old Whirlpool. They are all 60's. In watching them wash, the Whirlpool completes an extra complete oscillation to every four to five oscillations or agitator strokes of the Kenmores. This is really bugging me.
The few appliance people in my area I've had occasion to discuss this with say that K/W are the same and should both oscillate at 65 strokes per minute. My eyes are seeing different and I tend to like the quicker oscillations of the Whirpool over the Kenmores. With using either a surgilator or a roto swirl that Whirlpool agitation seems to have that extra "snap" to move the clothes better over the tamer Kenmores.
Can any member give me some feedback on this.
Oh, and I am not concerned with spin speed at all. The clothes come out dry enough for my satisfaction.
Dick S.
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Post# 36795-3/20/2004-12:29 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I am in Long Beach also. Be cool to meet up.
MK in LBC
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Post# 36796-3/20/2004-12:43 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hey MiniWash Mike, Im going to be in LB/LA the first week in April, for a couple of weeks. Can we have another MiniWash In?
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Post# 36797-3/20/2004-14:40 ||| k9gsd (North Idaho)
SUBJECT:
GE Refrigerator... need help with the year...
MESSAGE: I apologize for butting in here, since I'm not really an avid collector of classic appliances. We are looking to sell our old GE refrigerator, but need help in figuring out what year it is. Model #LB12P , white with pink interior, lazy susan shelves, small freezer inside the fridge. If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Let me know if you
need any other info. Thank you!
...Kelley
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Post# 36798-3/20/2004-15:26 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: West Coast washing machine fans? (RE: West Coast washer fans)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Should be no problem. The construction on my new garage with a dedicated laundry area for 3 washer/dryer sets should start soon after. Keep me posted on what date works good for you and we can set it up.
MK in LBC
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Post# 36799-3/20/2004-16:35 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: When my cousin and his wife bought their house, it came with a white 60s GE FilterFlo. The machine has a black straight-vane agitator with a turquoise cap (matching the tub, filter, and MiniBasket). It has a metallic control panel with a "V" emblem like a classic Chevy. There's the timer on the right, an infinite water lever knob at the center, and four white switches at the left: 3 wash temps (hot, warm, cold), 2 rinse temps, 3 wash speeds (Normal, Medium, and Slow, and Normal is VERY FAST!), and two spin speeds. Set the timer and the control panel lights up like a jukebox. The lid is on metal hinges with no visible switch; you can watch the wash and rinse but not the spin. I'm fairly sure it's TOL.
Does this sound familiar to anybody? Can anyone give me an approximate year from the description? It's really a classic washer, and despite being a bit battered and rusted it runs without complaint. Whenever I visit my cousins I end up doing their laundry just to see that panel light up.
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Post# 36800-3/20/2004-17:12 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: I have a machine that is very close to that.Mine is a 1966,I was told.It also has the suds saver control,console light but only two wash speeds.I am sure this one was TOL for it's day. The wash,rinse and spin action are very fast.I have defeated the lid switch in this one,as I do all my machines.This one will do more than just splash you with the lid up.It can get you soaked if you remove the filter tray!It even has somewhat of an "overflow"rinse.I recomended one of these for someone unhappy with a slower spin speed.Mine is a V-14.What does your cousins say above the "V"?
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Post# 36801-3/20/2004-17:13 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: This one has the "ramp"type Activator though.
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Post# 36802-3/20/2004-18:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Pictures, please, if possible!
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Post# 36803-3/20/2004-18:36 ||| Chillfamva (Virginia)
SUBJECT:
retofitting an antique wood stove
MESSAGE: Does anyone know whether it is possible to convert an antique wood stove to an electric one for easier use in a renovated old home?
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Post# 36804-3/20/2004-19:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: From your description, this washer is probably from the early 60's. Is it a 3-vane or 4-vane, and does it have a solid or perforated tub? If it has a solid tub, it's definitely 1962 or before, since they stopped making solid-tub machines after that year. A 3-vane Activator with center filter nozzle is a dead giveaway that it's a solid-tub machine. However, I'm not certain because weren't Mini-Baskets introduced after the demise of solid-tub Filter-Flos?
Any extra info from the "technical" collectors would help.
--Austin
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Post# 36805-3/20/2004-20:00 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Hi,
Sounds like the same washer I have, a V14. Search back a few screens for my link to pictures of my washer and let me know if that is it. It is under a thread called Souther California Mini Wash. I believe the V14 came out around 64.
MK in LBC
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Post# 36806-3/20/2004-20:35 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: The white agitator replaced the turquoise agitator because they found that the turq agi was too hard on the clothing and the machine when coupled with the Orbital tranny. However the first few Orbital machines had the Turq agitator. Yes, the PF 12 is what they have in the stack unit.
As for the agitators it all depends on what you like and how you load the machine. Mine has the 50 cycle pulley which makes it agitate and spin faster. By doing that the Turq agi can't be used, the PF 12 does a good job but splashes a lot and the Loadsensor really turns the load and you can load more clothes into the machine. On gentle speed it's about the same as Normal speed w/out a 50c pulley.......BOOOORING
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Post# 36807-3/20/2004-20:38 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: The Kenmore and Whirlpool are the same machines. I think it's your eyes playing tricks on you.
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Post# 36808-3/20/2004-21:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Refrigerator... need help with the year...
MESSAGE: Your LB12P Dial Defrost GE is from 1957. Retail price was $359.95 delivered, or $279.95 and your old fridge in trade.
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Post# 36809-3/20/2004-21:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: The GE 600 RPM (+/-10) spin speed is a little improvement over a WP/KM belt drive at 525 RPM (505 RPM super capacity) but not by much.
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Post# 36810-3/20/2004-21:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: The last year for the solid tub GE washer was 1960. They did retain the rear-center filter-flo spout for a year or so before moving it to the 2 o'clock positon. Mini-Baskets came about with the perforated tub models as the filter-flo didn't work without a full tub of water in the solid tub machines. The washer "over-filled" approximately 3 gallons of water into the outer tub to create a constant overflow which supplied the filter-flo system.
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Post# 36811-3/20/2004-21:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Orbital 806?)
MESSAGE: Do you have an orbital tranny in this washer Jason?
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Post# 36812-3/20/2004-22:45 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason.The power fin 12 reminds me of the whirlpool DD Super Surgilators. That was probably the most powerful agitator whirlpool ever used. Splashy and tended to oversuds with even a small amount of detergent.We just got rid of a Whirlpool DD with this agitator after 15 yrs of HEAVY use.
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Post# 36813-3/20/2004-23:12 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Were the spin speeds only 600 rpm for all GE Filterflows? The one I own has GOT to be more than 100 rpms faster than either of my belt drive KM or WP. In fact I think it's faster than my 71 1-18 was,even after it "kicked" into the higher spin speed just before the end of the final spin. Please let me know.
Thank you,
Rickr
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Post# 36814-3/20/2004-23:47 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: A little faster (is it about 14%?), with clothes packed higher in the tub (spins while emptying), makes for clothes that are quite a bit dryer.
Ken
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Post# 36815-3/21/2004-00:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: Really, spinning has to do more with G-Forces than just side by side comparisons of RPM's. We had a website link once to a G-Force calculator, but I didn't save it. I don't know if we did many calcuations for different brands, it would be interesting to see what they actually are. It's a bit of bottomless pit though, then it must be learned just how much differece a variance of a few points makes on a full load, partial load, cottons vs. miracle fabrics, on and on...
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Post# 36816-3/21/2004-03:41 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: G-force calculator
LINK: http://www.jouaninc.com/gforce.htm
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Post# 36817-3/21/2004-10:09 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Orbital 806?)
MESSAGE: Yes. The Helical was bad and they don't have the parts to rebuild them anymore so I ordered a new orbital.
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Post# 36818-3/21/2004-10:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
G.E.Laundry center question
MESSAGE: I picked up a GE stacked washer and dryer about a week ago. It looks identical to the Frigidaire LC's from the 80's.Model # WSM2000HBWAD.
2 questions. It leaks thru the center. How does the agitator come off? I removed the screw on cap in the center,but it doesn't budge. Is a puller needed?
Next question. Is this a WCI/Frigidaire built unit? If it is,parts are usually cheaper through Frigidaire than going through the General.Any thoughts?
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Post# 36819-3/21/2004-12:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: What did the DD Super Surgilators look like?
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Post# 36820-3/21/2004-13:11 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: The tub is perforated, and the agitator has four vanes. I believe it recirculates from the 2 o'clock position. There's a bleach dispenser, too, but it's rusted to nothing. I'd post pictures if I had a scanner (and the slightest idea of how to use one), but unfortunately I don't.
My cousins' house actually came with TWO laundry sets: 60s GEs and circa '88 Kenmores. They kept what worked--the FilterFlo washer and Kenmore dryer. Although my cousin's wife likes the console light, she's constantly misplacing the filter and envies my aunt for her mid-90s plastic GE. When I attested to the quality of a classic FilterFlo, she (the wife) half screamed, "Well, 90s beats 60s!" Sweet girl, but certainly not the brightest sock in the load. She has a tendency to throw dirty clothes down the basement steps and close the door instead of actually washing them.
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Post# 36821-3/21/2004-15:53 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?(DD Super Surgilators))
MESSAGE: Hello, if you look into some bottom line whirlpools you will find this agitator. The DD we bought in 1988 was a super capacity single speed machine. The agitator barrel came off to reveal a tiny lint filter inside the barrel.The agitator base had 5 vanes and the barrel had wavy vanes along with straight vanes...I think ten in all...if i remember correctly.
This was a very powerful clothes mover and we loaded that machine up quite a number of times.
This machine was replaced last year by a Kenmore 90 series washer. I'm glad that KM finally brought back spray rinsing in the spin cycle.
We had 15 yrs with that WP with no problems until the timer gave out last year.
I hope we get as good service with this KM.
Just another testimony to the good reliability of DD washers.
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Post# 36822-3/21/2004-16:08 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Hello Austin,if you go to Whirlpool's home site and click on commercial laundry you will see this agitator.
Have a great day
Pat
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Post# 36823-3/21/2004-16:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (Whats wrong with the agitator?)
MESSAGE: Read my follow-up in the Sandbox because this agitator is still in many residential machines today.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox
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Post# 36824-3/21/2004-17:46 ||| k9gsd (North Idaho)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Refrigerator... need help with the year...
MESSAGE: Thank you very much for the fast reply. Wow.. I didn't realize that refrigerators sold for that much in the 50's.
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Post# 36825-3/21/2004-18:00 ||| Circlew (westinghouse)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse range/oven (I might have what you are looking for)
MESSAGE: Yup, they most definately did as I also come from a circleW family & own 2.I'd be interested in a double oven model as mine is the big one with 3 burners & a vat but the single oven huge storage drawer model.
It's huge, 38" wide & we did our kitchen around it.
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Post# 36826-3/21/2004-19:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (phospors)
MESSAGE: Yes,I used to enjoy watching old movies over the Du Mont or Philco BW sets I had.They worked really well after adjustments and replacing some tubes.At the time-was before DVD machines came out-I used my laser disc player.I still have the laser disc machine and collection of laser disc movies.Won't give em up.
After recapping the vert osc and sweep stages of your set-Mr McCartneys head should look just fine.
I checked out the AudioKarma link--The vintage JBL rekindled memories of working at the radio station and replaccing JBL woofers in the studio monitor speakers. The DJ's would be blowing them out constantly. We sent the bad woofers to Veneman Music to be rebuilt-or reconed.Was as routine and sending out transmitter tubes for rebuilding.I'll need to look at the section that deals with the old TV's.
In the meantime lots of luck on the TV.
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Post# 36827-3/21/2004-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I think that there is speed varations between the two-like the Kenmores agitate slower. I have owned both types of machines and found a similar situation.This is especially true of the KN washers that had Penta-Swirl agitators versus those that have Roto-Swirls.The RS ones oscillate faster.The Surgilator WP oscillate faster as well.Must be the size of the Trasnmission pulleys.I would beleive the pulleys on the Penta-Swirls must be larger to get the lower speed.
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Post# 36828-3/21/2004-22:07 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I love my laser discs too.......we just bought a like new Sony player on eBay and LOVE IT!!!!!
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Post# 36829-3/21/2004-23:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: Another thing about the laser discs-Some movies are available on them that are not yet available on DVD. Example-the early Star Wars movies. I have 3 editions of them. another movie collector mentioned they are VERY valuable.If you run into Star Wars Movies on LD-buy them up.In my area discs show up at pawn shops,thrift stores,and yard sales.
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Post# 36830-3/21/2004-23:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: The sad thing about laser discs is that they are no longer made. You will have to buy them used from the sources I mentioned in my other entry.The plants used to make them were converted over to make DVD's.
I have two machines that can play LD's-A "combo" machine that can play CD,DVD,orLD,and a Sony LD only machine. With the old sets I had I had a Pioneer "flip-top" top load machine that used a tube laser instead of the diode lasers in later machines.That brought down their cost and size.The laser tube in my old machine died violently-I had to get rid of the machine-no parts to fix it.That machine worked well playing movies thru the old sets I had.
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Post# 36831-3/21/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 60s FilterFlo
MESSAGE: I tried this calculater on the link and it does work-what I don't understand about it is that it gets the answer from speed ,and size of the centrifuge device. You also need to factor the weight and mass of the substance you want to separate.I worked breifly on a Sciece Fair project in high School That dealt in a matter like this.It was a study on precipitates made during the High-School chemestry class.when you centrifuged substances-the heavier ones seperated first.The lightest ones last or if at all.While doing this project I visited a hosipat lab and they had a Centrifuge that was the size and appearence of a round tank wringer washer.It had a large Universal motor in the base(it was about 2,3 HP)and a variac speed control.They had several Heads-test tube and bottle carries for the unit.It could be run at speeds from 2000 RPM to 50,000 RPM. The tube chamber could be pumped to a vacuum for the higher speeds.This was done to lesson air resistence on the tube head-could overload the motor. Also lessened heating of the tubes as they spun thru the air.They had another unit that could refridgerate the samples.
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Post# 36832-3/22/2004-00:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I heard there was one last plant that still made them. I have the second version Pioneer flip top player, boy, is it heavy!
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Post# 36833-3/22/2004-00:21 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I think there is still a market for LD in Japan.The discs are not available anymore in the US.Pioneer shut down their LD production just after DVD was introduced.The weight of your Flip top machine is mostly the power supply for the laser tube,and the tube itself.This also took up most of the space in the case.There was something kinda neat about those old LD machines. You see one on the movie "Airport '75".
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Post# 36834-3/22/2004-11:00 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (CED Videodisc)
MESSAGE: And remember the kitschy CED Video discs? They were basically vinyl records with an audio/video signal in the grooves.
Of course the needle would go bad and the discs would get scratched and the movie would skip.
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Post# 36835-3/22/2004-11:49 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: I own a video store and was sad the day I had to discontinue laser discs in favor of DVD. I took all the movies I wanted and then had a closeout sale. My Pioneer player was TOL when I bought it and changes sides without getting up. Personally, I'm not completely sold on DVD. As rental property, they scratch and go bad much more easily than LDs ever did, the only saving grace being they are much cheaper to replace. And sometimes the resolution on a DVD is so high, the movie can look weird. I watched "Titanic" on LD and then DVD and on the DVD, the ship looked like a tubby toy at the higher res. I thought the LD market in Japan was pretty much limited to karaoke discs, but could be wrong. Also, if you collect LDs, check out e-bay as well as thrift stores.
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Post# 36836-3/22/2004-12:01 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
Spin Speeds
MESSAGE: Hi,
Lots of talk about spin speeds. I am not an expert, but a few months ago this was a hot topic and I asked Jimmy (Filter Flo) about it. Basically, my understanding from our conversation is that a fast spin speed will of course force more water from the clothes. However, jeans and permanent press items encounter more wrinkles at fast speeds, therefore GE had two speeds on MOL and TOL filter flo washers. That was the great thing about the 5 button system, depending on what you were washing, it set the required speeds for best washing, spin and water temperature. On the later models, you had to set each using several buttons or switches.
Now this post may lead to more and more discussion, which is fine. My main point is that there has been more focus on spin speed without regard to how it affects the clothes.
Subject change. With the loss of the "For Sale" area, we really need to work hard to find appliances for each other. Maybe we can form some sub-groups based on geography, where we can chat and plan weekend hunts of estate sales to locate hidden treasures. I bet we miss out on several hundred machines a year because the general public does not know we are out there hunting these machines down. I am out of town the rest of the week, but based on the response, if SoCal area members want to link up, I will help get it going.
MK in LBC
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Post# 36837-3/22/2004-12:59 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: We lived in a small town that had a LD store. It was so nice. We bought quite a few when they went out of business and I do run into some at garage sales but not often enough. I think we have about 75. Many are Disney for the kids though. :-)
We had a Pioneer that only played the one side that my hubby had for YEARS (I think he got one of the first ones that came out). The motor on the tray finally gave out so we sold it on eBay and bought our new one. I love that it plays both sides-I guess I'm lazy.
Don't forget to look for Warner Bro's boxed sets of cartoons. Worth good money and so classic.
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Post# 36838-3/22/2004-15:30 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: Hi,
Saw these this morning, and before I could return from lunch to follow up, someone got them. Hope they went to a good home. These look like TOL from late 80's/early 90's.
MK in LBC
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3805473086&category=20714
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Post# 36839-3/22/2004-15:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Speeds
MESSAGE: The fact that a higher spinning machine will get clothes drier is true, but the
length of time they are spinning has some effect on it as well. My Maytag Portable spins at 1000+ RPM, and if I spin a load for about a minute (whites, for example), they come out as dry as they would in my Kenmore during a final spin cycle, which goes around 500 RPM, and take about an hour in the dryer. If they are spun for 5-10 minutes in the Maytag, however, they come out much drier, and after a 30 minute dry time, they're done. Which is why the Unimatic, spinning at 1140 RPM, got a load dry faster than a slower-spinning model, even though the spin cycles ran for about the same length of time.
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Post# 36840-3/22/2004-15:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: Wow, a TOL Spotscrubber Filter-Flo washer! This was the exact model I saw in the Heights (except this one was a little bit older since it had the toggle switches), complete with blue lint pan and Mini-Basket. It needed a good outside cleaning though...
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Post# 36841-3/22/2004-18:08 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: That brings back memories. I remember calling the GE dealer and asking for the TOL GE w/d set. He said all he was one new set in the scratch and dent section and there were no more because they were coming out with the new console. I told him to deliver it sight unseen. 600 bucks deliverd that afternoon. The only dents were in the console and they were the size of a Baby Pea.
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Post# 36842-3/22/2004-19:02 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay
MESSAGE: I get sets like that from time to time,usually not in gold,though.One of the stores where I make my pickups won't touch anything from the General.I get everything they get in on trade.
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Post# 36843-3/22/2004-19:06 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (CED Videodisc)
MESSAGE: Yes,I remember those-brought out by RCA-they were trying to use it to compete with the LD format and tape formats.Yes,it was a problems-the stylus and the discs wore out-and had to be replaced frequently.The video and audio resolution wasn't as good as LD either.The players and discs were lesss expensive though.I just about got a CED machine and discs for free-the person threw out the machine and discs.He lived in an apartment house and I looked in the trash-It had just been dumpted-the truck just left-The poor machine and discs got mashed in the garbage truck compactor.It would have been interesting to try the format.
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Post# 36844-3/22/2004-19:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: Yes,I have the Warner Bros cartoon set. It sits in the closet with the Star wars sets.I too had one of the first auto reverse LD machines. It also was the first model to play Digital soundtracks.It was interesting to take the cover off the machine and watch the auto reverse at work!!-The head sled would move to a track the moved it to play the top of the disc after it read the bottom.Was cool to watch.I sold that macjhine after buying another that was a Pioneer TOL model.that one lasted only a couple of years.The person I sold the early Auto reverse machine tells me it still works OK at present.After the tOL one died I bought the "universal" machine.The "universal" one still works.I use it to play LD only now.It won't play many DVDs that are out now.Its a first gen DVD machine.The motor is what gave up in my TOL one as well.That machine cost almost $1000 at the time. forgot what model it was.Would like to have another tube top loader though just for old times.
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Post# 36845-3/22/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Check out my 1959... (Laser Disc)
MESSAGE: Thats true-with the higher resolutiuon on DVD you see lots of "faults" in movies.-Including the wires used to "fly" things in movies.The Lions tail is a good example in "Wizard of Oz)You also see them in many Sci-Fi and Horror movies to animate the monsters.It does take the character out of the movie.Just wait until we have the Higher resolution "Blu-Ray" discs scheduled to come out later this year!!Means another player and collection of discs.Yes LD could tolerate scratches better than DVD-LD video and orig soundtracks were analog.The analog was more tolerant of the scrathes and damage(except "laser Rot")which was corrosion of the metal disc layer from improper sealing of the plastic outer disc layers.
Primarily I get my discs from pawn shops and thrift stores. E-Bay is just too much hassle and too expensive. People bid too much for most items offered on it.I can get the discs cheaper and easier locally. Yes,when video rental and sales stores closed down I got some of mine that way too. My collection is about 400 discs. I know someone whose collection is over 2000 discs.
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Post# 36846-3/22/2004-19:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: I was just talking about this set last night with Don - jetaction!
Can you enlighten us on how the Spotscrubber system worked, Jason? The mini-basket was a little different than the normal mini,was the spotscrubber cycle a constant-overflow during the "scrubbing" or did the machine have some way of turning off the filter-flo stream (valve, etc.) to keep all the concentrated detergent and water inside the mini-tub?
I saw this same model a few months ago while out in the bargain department of local stores. Late 80's, came in almond like the ebay set, or white that I saw. I thought about playing with the machine for a while, but decided only to take the mini basket and filter.
While not really a classic machine per se, it is interesting to see how they tried to come up with something to set them apart from the pack... Leave it to Genital Electric!
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Post# 36847-3/22/2004-19:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Speeds
MESSAGE: Yes-what the high spin speeds do to clothes is another matter.I would would have to think the heavier and denser fabrics could be wrinkled or stressed more.I wonder about the effects on them if even higher speed clothes "spinners" are used.I was contemplating getting one -it uses less energy than a dryer.
I can agree with you in helping each other find favorite machines.Another question is wether one has a truck or some other large vehicle to transport them.For example I do not.I would need to have someone delivor it.I did mention in an earlier post-if you get real serious in this hobby-you need a truck with a lift gate.Two of the appliance places I deal with have them.I am at this point looking for only a select few older type machines-since I have limited space.I don't have a large basement or garage like some of you have-you are so lucky!!I was looking for an older Solid tank Norge,GE Filter Flo,and a Kenmore from the late Fifties-early 60's era.I have the used appliance places out looking.They tell me that they sometimes run into them.
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Post# 36848-3/22/2004-19:59 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (These are 1989 Models)
MESSAGE: My parents had the exact same set, in almond, new in 1989. Everything is identical...the controls, the agitator, and the pale blue mini-basket and filter-flo pan. At the time, these were GE's TOL models. My Mom loved the mini-basket for our arm rest covers on the couch. My Dad never quite got the hang of using the mini-basket. He would forget to set the water level on "mini-wash", but would still insert the tub into the machine. The result was a mini-basket clunking around in a full "high" outer tub of water. Nice pair...my Mom was disappointed when they sold their place and the buyers asked them to throw them into the sale to make it final.
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Post# 36849-3/22/2004-20:13 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: Yes, I'd also like to hear more on the Spotscrubber cycle in this machine. I forgot all about it until it was mentioned here. I do remember that this machine had several cycles on the timer, with even more push-button options on the left side of the console. I don't think my parents (or myself) ever used it, so I never knew the progression of the cycle. Thanks!
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Post# 36850-3/23/2004-00:58 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: The Mini Basket was solid with retangular holes along the top. You would set all the controls for the Mini Basket and then select the Spot Scrubber cycle on the timer. Put the regular amount of detergent in the mini basket and let her go. There was a pinch valve in the Filter flo hose coming from the pump. After a min or so the timer would energize the valve pinching off the hose. It would do it's thing and then spin and fill for the rinse. If I remember correctly it had two rinses. That was my favorite cycle! I always go outside in my socks and that really got them clean. I'd love to find another set like that, I might even give up my belt drive electronic ladies for that.
My machine also had the mini quick cycle. When you pushed the Mini Quick button it activated a rapid advance timer motor and everything happened a lot faster.
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Post# 36851-3/23/2004-06:30 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: At the recycle centre recently there were some remains of a Hoover 720 being dismantled. This machine would be from early 1980s. (?) I have included a link to a photo of it. I'm interested to know if it looks like the Blackstone or Hoover washer in the USA? In particular, the transmission?
The base photo shows holes in the base for motor mount and pump mount, though the centre hole in the pump mount isn't used in the Hoover 720. The earlier ones, 500 and 600 series, used a belt driven pump, but the 700 series on used an electric pump which fitted the bolt holes for the earlier pump, so no modification to the base was needed. Also the plastic outer tub as in the photo was new for the 700 series, the 500 and 600 used enamel tub. Inner tubs were enamel till 800 series, then stainless steel.
Thanks
Chris
LINK: http://uk.f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gizmo_au63/album?.dir=/b09e
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Post# 36852-3/23/2004-07:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Jason's GE)
MESSAGE: Thanks Jason, mystery solved. I suspected that was the case with the filter-flo, what a strange sight to see the flo stop! I'll bet it did do a good job, I was surprised at how clean things got in the mini-basket in the 74 Dispensall I have. With double the detergent and two rinses, the Spotscrubber really would have been a step up. The Mini-Quick cycle on the '74 changed the escapement in the timer so the cycle ran 1/3 the time of a normal cycle.
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Post# 36853-3/23/2004-07:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Strange to see that plastic outer tub, but the rest looks the same... Here is the picture of the early 70's Hoover we found last summer - same tranny design, belt drive pump.
Have the agitators and spin-basket changed in the 700 & later series? The American versions looked almost exactly like Westinghouse baskets - probably sourced from the same company.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/June+2003&.dnm=Under+Hoover+Washer.jpg
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Post# 36854-3/23/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, wow, that transmission is Blackstones' "bee-hive" style tranny which was its last design, used until the mid 70's when they closed their Jamestown, NY (Lucy's home town) washer plant.
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Post# 36855-3/23/2004-08:47 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Thanks Tolivac for your comments. I know it sounds weird when all factual evidence points to that both K and W should operate the same but no one could deny the difference when watching the machines agitate at the same time. I'm curious and I'm going to go investigate this further.
I also agree with your comments in another post of yours about spin speeds. I for one, hang all my clothes out on clothes lines 90% of the time and I note a big difference especially in my thick bath towels when shaking them out. They just don't have the same thick, soft feel to them when dry after being spun at high speed as opposed to the slower spin speed in my old machines.
To me, and I realize we are all different in our personal preferences, there is nothing like line dried clothes. But I have both an extra capacity propane gas Kenmore drier and a 1960 Lady Kenmore electric dryer as back up just in case!
Dick
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Post# 36856-3/23/2004-08:52 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Speeds (re: Subject change)
MESSAGE: I would like very much MK to talk with you more about your idea of forming a little group out here in So Cal to support and help each other. I think it is a great idea and I am very interested. I'll be waiting to talk with you in the near future. Dick
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Post# 36857-3/23/2004-09:54 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Every now and then I get a call for a really interesting and exciting estate sale. Got a call from a caseworker for a 94yo lady that had to be moved to assisted living. The house was and is an absolute wreck. She had not bought anything new in decades. When he walked me thru the house, it was incredible that anyone could live like this! But the house was full of untold riches. 200+ vintage cookbooks, Roseville, Weller, McCoy, FloBlue, Chintz, old sheet music (she used to be a piano teacher), old TV's & radios, Delft, lots of paper ephemera, quilts. The attic door was locked with no key. What in the world might be up there?
But my keen interest was in the basement. Was there a washer and dryer down there? He said the lady had not been in the basement in over 20yrs. Venturing down, both of us in gloves, masks, and each with a broom to part 20yrs of cobwebs, and lo and behold there it was! A 1960 GE Model 630 FilterFlo washer. I had to bite my lip to keep back my excitement and not have this caseworker think I was nuts...
To my great pleasure I was hired to settle the contents of the estate, and of course the washer I bought. And to think of all the years I wasted sitting in a cubicle at Lockheed Aerospace studying blueprints and tracing wires, I could have been doing this type of work. I just love my job!!!!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo
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Post# 36858-3/23/2004-12:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Jimmy,
Congratulations! I guess this washer matches that GE dryer? It's unbelievable how people can live under such circumstances.
Louis
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Post# 36859-3/23/2004-13:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Wow Jimmy, those are the best kinds of sales! Congrats! An original blue 1960 GE Filter Pan, very fun find!
Are you going to be able to get into the attic? Keep up posted.
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Post# 36860-3/23/2004-18:10 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Hi,
What a fantastic find. You never know what is behind those closed doors. Can't wait to hear if it works and how it cleans up. Keep us posted!
MK temporarily in Dallas/Ft. Worth
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Post# 36861-3/23/2004-18:33 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Just missed a couple...
MESSAGE: While making a delivery the other day,I walked next door to the Lowes store,to see if they had any appliance trades in's out back. Saw an old pickup leaving,with a few pieces on the back.
He had an avacado 806 Maytag washer,and an early 70's Whirlpool washer,in white. But the crown jewel,probably in the scrapyard now,was a Frigidaire side by side refrig,in poppy red!The biggest one,looked to be a FPCI220VU.That one would have found a home with me for sure!
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Post# 36862-3/23/2004-18:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: increasing spin speed (Kenmore agitator oscillations vs. Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: The WP-KN ones I have noticed the most difference is between the Roto-Swirl and the Penta-Swirl.The Penta Swril machines agitate very slow compared to the RS machines.I have seen and used a few RS machines and one PS machine.
On the clothelines-I too live in the South like you-I'm surprized your clothes would dry very well in the humid Florida climate.Its similar here in North Carolina.I have a cloths line but don't use it because it is under several pine trees.The clothes would get covered from the insects the trees attract,and bird dropping from the birds that live in them.I don't know what the squirrels would do to the clothes.I liked line drying clothes when I lived in the Midwest years ago.The dry climate out there dried them perfectly-and left a nice clean neutral smell to them.Unfortunately-time isn't on my side either.The line would take too long since I have to get to work at night.
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Post# 36863-3/23/2004-18:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Looked at the pictures in your link-The place almost looked like a time capsule from the 50's.It would be interesting to rummage thru the thigs there-would be something for everyone!The GE filter flo washer looks especially interesting-Wonder if it would still hold water after all those years.You will probably have to get ready to replace the seals and gaskets.What sort of vacuum cleaners were in the place?The basement looks like it needs to be vacuumed with a NSS M1 "pig" vac.Great find!!Looks like Estate sales are the best places to hunt for old appliances.You needs a means to carry them out of the place.
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Post# 36864-3/23/2004-19:02 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Sounds like a goldmine! Great washer!
Neat fridge too, but check the tag and make sure it's F12-freon and not sulphur dioxide. Could be a hazmat situation.
I suppose the TVs and radio are off-topic here, but how do you dispose of them? ;-)
Ken D.
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Post# 36865-3/23/2004-20:11 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Yes, the FilterFlo GE works!. Not exactly like it should, but it does run. Yeah! The lid was stuck shut and I had to pry it open. Thats when I noticed the filter pan was not there. So I looked all thru the basement and lo and behold, in a drawer, packed away with lots of junk there it was. The lady must have never used it, as other than my dirty glove prints on it, its gleaming bright and perfect. The water valve was completely clogged, so I cut the hoses, and filled the washer by hand thru the cut off hoses. Yes, it does leak, not badly, but I did get a steady stream on the floor. Prob the boot, pump hoses, water level boot, or a combination of all three are bad. I let it fill to the top of the tub and pushed the "Water Saver" lever down, and it took right off and even the FilterFlo still worked. The timer advances fine, spins all the water out, and the only thing that does not seem to work is the dial light. This was the new design transmission that locks during agitate rather than index 1/8 turn per agitate stroke; and also has a tub brake rather than a coast at the end of the spin cycle. Thats one way it can be dated as a 1960 model. Solid tub, but with a spin brake. GE came out with that revised design tranny in 1960. And yes, its almost the match for the dryer that I got out West in January.
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Post# 36866-3/23/2004-20:15 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: TV's and radios are never a problem of this vintage. I always seem to find a buyer for them, or I take them home myself.
Sulfer dioxide in these refrigs seldom leaks out. If it had a leak, its long since gone. Ive opened the system in these units before and Im still here to tell out it. And besides, in this house, it could prob only help to clean it all up a bit........
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Post# 36867-3/23/2004-22:14 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
68 Frigidaire roller matic water valve
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
Does anyone have an extra water valve? Mines not shutting off and i'd like to replace it with a factory one and not have to make a newer one fit. Anyone got one they would sell =)
Oh and i pick up those turquise kenmores from ebay on sunday =)
~Steven
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Post# 36868-3/24/2004-04:35 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: I remember opening up an old GE sealed system years ago that had sulphur dioxide in it.I have NEVER smelled anything like that.Hazmat situation is right,that stuff is nasty!
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Post# 36869-3/24/2004-07:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Congratulations on the great finds. What a great-looking
1960 solid-tub Filter-Flo! It's amazing that it still works after not being used for 20 years! Washers that are estate preserved are the real gems, since they usually need very little work or restoration. Now you just need to find the matching dryer!
--Austin
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Post# 36870-3/24/2004-07:26 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: Hey. That looks like a roto-rack. Is this a D&M made DW?
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Post# 36871-3/24/2004-07:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Due to the total lack of estate sales in Texas, the chances of anyone here finding a machine like this are slim to none. I should have bought that 70's Belt-Drive Kenmore for $50...
Btw, the Spotscrubber cycle details will make me go pick the 70's Spotscrubber Filter-Flo up from the resale shop!
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Post# 36872-3/24/2004-08:16 ||| Mgdelerium3 (Portland, CT)
SUBJECT:
Top Loading Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Someone here must know the washing Machine that was on the episode of I Love Lucy. The one that throws water and clothing all over the Mertz's kitchen then they fight over it and it falls off the porch. It looks like the fake name givin on the show was EPERMAY which doens't sound like a real name. When looking at the virtual library here, i saw the ABC-O-MATIC which is close, but to the right of the machine in the picture almost looks like the shape of the one i am looking for. The window in the top lid was a circle. The lid was square.
Please hook me up with any info possible if you have any.
Thank you
Mike
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Post# 36873-3/24/2004-08:27 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: This was an unexpected find last night. I have never heard of or seen a Penncrest Twin Tub washer. Works great-even has two speeds and and adjustable buzzer to let you know when the wash is done! Does anybody know how old this is? Great wash action as the impeller is on the bottom, to the side. Now the kitchen even has its own machine-for a day or two!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/album?.dir=/d7bb
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Post# 36874-3/24/2004-09:14 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
The agitator stayed the same spiral ramp shape, though internally it changed - the older ones, I think to 700 series or maybe 800 series, used a long agitator shaft and tube, so the agitator was driven by a block at its top. The later ones used a short agitator shaft, with a coarse spline directly moulded in the base of the agitator, no drive block. (the later spline looks like a Simpson, but they don't match, I've tried.)
The basket was enamel to 700 series, then stainless steel. The stainless basket looks a little bit deeper, I think it went down closer to the floor of the outer tub. I don't know if the basket is the same as a Westy TL, we had them made here too but they were never very popular and top bearing/seal failure led to oil getting into the trans, creating a very messy and expensive repair compared to the Hoover, which was easy and cheap to repair. Surviving Westys are now very rare and have a bad reputation, whereas the Hoovers are still very common, both still in use and at the recyclers. All parts are still available for the Hoovers, and they are still regularly reconditioned and resold.
Your photo looks just like a Hoover 500 series (enamel tub, belt drive pump are the same) but what is the light blue gadget in the pump outlet hose? I think the recirculating hose connected direct to the pump on Aus hoovers. (When the elec pump came in (700 series) there was no more recirculation, in fact no lint filtering at all.
The 600 series, probably the most popular, had an interesting touch - to give a neutral drain, there was a very large pressure switch type device mounted on the "beehive" under the trans. IT was connected by a hose to the inlet to the pump from memory, though I'm not 100% sure about that. When the tub was fairly full, the pressure of water forced a diaphragm out, pressing a lever up against the transmission. Note there was no electrical connection, so it is not a pressure switch, more of a pressure actuator. There was no brake shoe, just a lever poking up in the path of the bolts which hold the transmission together. (fairly ugly engineering...) The clutch in the transmission would slip, so the basket was stationary as it pumped out. As the water level dropped to near empty, the pressure device would reset, releasing the tranny and spin begins...
One day I'll get a photo and post it.
Chris.
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Post# 36875-3/24/2004-09:29 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Don, that is so cute! I love it. I had a Montgomery Wards version of this several years ago. When I went to buy parts for it (from the MW parts depot), it turned out it was made for them by Toshiba. Maybe yours is similar?
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Post# 36876-3/24/2004-09:30 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Lucky Us!!!
MESSAGE: Spring 2004 sure is proving to be a lucky time for all of us appliance lovers. Found another gem last night, will post details and pics of it soon..........
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Post# 36877-3/24/2004-13:32 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: I remember those, but can't place the year exactly. Late 60s to early 70s, I imagine. Somebody with a stash of catalogs can probably look it up. I always thought they were cool-looking, with the angled control panel.
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Post# 36878-3/24/2004-14:43 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: “Bermuda Pink” or is it to be “Buttercup Yellow”? Mmm. Talk about dilemmas?
“Woman from coast to coast field tested, enthusiastically approved and were unanimous ….” Now that is copy writing!
I thought it was “roto rack”. Took second look. It hasn’t the center support. Shown with side ones and mentions its’ ease in access too.
By the way? What made the top rack revolve on those “roto” impellor DW? The round rack beloved Lady Kenmore I had (coppertone, 5” lighted dial, 4 cycle options in “puke” green, as large as grand piano keys). Anyway, it had this phallic big dildo thing 6.5“x2.5“. Appropriately positioned; sticking out from the back at you. Perhaps, those old “roto” top rack DW got it from behind too. I do know that is what made the “Lady’s …” top rack spin around. Go figure?
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Post# 36879-3/24/2004-15:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Siamese twins, no less!!! These old Toshiba twinnies were alot of fun. And I love the knock-off Norge lookalike control panel! Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 36880-3/24/2004-15:01 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Doesn't this washer match the dryer you just got also? Congrats!
-ph
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Post# 36881-3/24/2004-15:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Hmmmmm... I wonder how much it will be to ship parts from Australia to Omaha?
-ph
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Post# 36882-3/24/2004-15:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter Flo Set Snapped up from ebay (Abbey's field of broken dreams)
MESSAGE: You should have hit Abbey's with me last Sunday, Jason... I bet this set is heading to the Krusher as we speak...
-ph
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Post# 36883-3/24/2004-16:53 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top Loading Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Hi,
This topic re-runs just like the TV show. It is a made up prop, not a real machine.
No marketing person in the 50's would put even their old washing machine design on the #1 TV show, to have it break and flood a kitchen, let alone get tossed over a balcony.
Filter Flo has lots of details on the other appliances, which were sponsors of the show (stove, fridge).
MK in LBC (Dallas at the moment)
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Post# 36884-3/24/2004-17:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: It is a D&M made product. They also made machines of this style for Crosley, Sears, etc.
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Post# 36885-3/24/2004-17:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Finds @ my April Estate Sale
MESSAGE: Super find Jimmy - you've been the lucky one the last couple of months!
I love these kind of estate sales, the more junk piled up, the better!
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Post# 36886-3/24/2004-17:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures, Don. I just love washing in the kitchen now and then!
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Post# 36887-3/24/2004-17:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: What a cute little washer! Those bottom-propeller models are getting rarer by the minute (or even a propeller washer itself)! I like the "toilet-flush" washing action; must be very entertaining to watch. My Maytag twin-tub's wash action is BORING compared to this. Congratulations!
Btw have you done a load in it yet?
--Austin
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Post# 36888-3/24/2004-17:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD Kelvy DW
MESSAGE: The top rack revolved by the force of the impeller's spray hitting items in the top rack. Not sure how much it actually moved during the wash cycle, or if the turning actually helped any, but it's cool!
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Post# 36889-3/24/2004-17:46 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Circa '71)
MESSAGE: The Penncrest twin tub is in a 1971 JC Penney catalog I happen to own. It was available in white, harvest gold, or (your fave and mine) avocado. Penney's also sold a portable companion dryer with a porthole door and a white timer dial on the front, plus a shelving unit to stack the pair when not in use.
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Post# 36890-3/24/2004-17:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Yes, washing in the kitchen with a twin-tub is definitely more fun, except that filling from a sink sprayer usually takes me about 10 minutes to do...
The only negative aspect about a bottom-propeller washer is that you probably couldn't work up very thick suds, unlike a side propeller, when it's about half-filled. Also, I like the control panel. It's obvious that the manufacturer styled it after the control panels of MW automatic washers from the late 60's.
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Post# 36891-3/24/2004-17:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: Interesting bit of history of the Austrailian versions of this machine. Blackstone never enjoyed much of a quality reputation here with these machines, even the Hoover/Maytag dealer said he never needed any parts for them because he only sold one set and when they broke down, the owners bought a new set.
That light blue thing next to the pump is the water valve, we put a new one on it when trying it out as the original was shot.
Interesting way to get a neutral drain, makes you wonder what the reason was not to have the washer spin-drain.
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Post# 36892-3/24/2004-17:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: ...to Beltsville, MD actually. I brought this set out to Ohio last fall and John & Bruce took it back with them.
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Post# 36893-3/24/2004-17:59 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Top Loading Washing Machine
MESSAGE: In one episode,Fred bought Ethel a new "Handy-Dandy" washing machine,while Lucy got a "Handy-Dandy" 'fridge.
The Riccardos 'fridge looks to be a Westinghouse,not sure about the stove.
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Post# 36894-3/24/2004-18:23 ||| TrainGuy (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucky Us!!! (And Me, Too!)
MESSAGE: Congrats on everyone's latest acquisitions. I, too, was able to bring home a great find. I picked up a 1967 Frigidaire WCIL in the green color. I had another call for a 1976 Crown set with a gas dryer. They were pretty beat up. The guy wanted $400.00 for the set. I told the gentleman he could keep them. Jimmy, I also can't believe how many washers & dryers have been rescued so far this year. I hope this trend continues!
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Post# 36895-3/24/2004-20:22 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Lucy's refrigerator and stove were Westinghouse brand in all the New York apartment episodes. Westinghouse one of their sponsers for many years. The refrigerator changed models a couple of times but was always a Westinghouse when they rented the apartment from the Mertz's.
Mike and I were lucky enough to attend several of the Lucy Conventions in Burbank Calif. We personally got to meet and ask questions of several people from the show including Caroline Appleby (Doris Singleton), Marion Strong (Shirley Mitchell), Betty Ramsey (Mary Jane Croft) AND the actual writers of the show. During the question and answer section of the show one of the specific questions asked of the writers was about the washing machine episode and how did they ever think up and contrive such wonderful shows. Their answer was very simple: "We just needed to put something on paper, and took a simple thing and expanded it, like selling a washing machine to a friend and then have it break down, with the resulting hard feelings between friends". Someone in the audience asked what the brand of washer was: it was an Eperway. The writers said they just made the name up, with no specific brand in mind (becuase of the liability that might ensue, and the prop department took a bunch of parts and put them together. BUT that they made it look as much UNLIKE a Westinghouse washer as they could, since Westinghouse was their sponser and they didnt want to offend the sponser!. It was most exciting to be able to hear and see people from the show and have them recollect tidbits of information like this about such a beloved show. P.S:::For Lucy and Ethel fans, the washer episode was the only episode where the inside of the Mertz's kitchen was ever shown.
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Post# 36896-3/24/2004-20:24 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucky Us!!! (And Me, Too!)
MESSAGE: Hey Rich, tell us about you new Frigidaire! It sounds great.
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Post# 36897-3/24/2004-21:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucky Us!!! (And Me, Too!)
MESSAGE: And don't forget pictures of the wonderful machines!
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Post# 36898-3/24/2004-21:38 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
What a great response. I asked one of the writers about the toaster and the flying toast bits that were used in several episodes. He basically said it was a funny bit, so we used it several times. They never thought the show would be in re-runs because re-runs did not exist back then. TV was all NEW. Desi had the foresight to shoot the shows on film in front of an audience. The scenes were shot in order so the audience was basically watching a play with some retakes. TV is still filmed/taped this way today in front of a live audience.
Because the shows are on film, they still look good. Because the shows were so well written, they still entertain. Desilu owned the film and it made Desi and Lucy very wealthy. As a bonus, we get to see life in the 50s, appliances and all, in these great "re-runs."
BTW, Jimmy and I unfortunately ended up on the cutting room floor after being interviewed and singing the Phipps song for CBS. We do honor requests at wash-ins though!
Mike
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Post# 36899-3/25/2004-06:21 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover 720 remains
MESSAGE: I'm happy to source and send over some parts.
What is needed?
Chris.
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Post# 36900-3/25/2004-09:10 ||| mgdelerium3 (Portland, CT)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: That very exciting thank you.
I had always assumed that it was a mixture some parts including real washing machine peices. Like the whole top of it looks almost like the ABC O MATIC. The body almost looks like a Launderall completly adjusted. The hand rails on the side are something that i have never seen. Robert on this page told me about the launderall and i saw it and it does have that look almost.
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Post# 36901-3/25/2004-10:36 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: I have ran them, but will do an actual load later today. There are choices that say "Rinse full load" & "Rinse small load." When you select this and start the wash action, the pump comes on and starts to drain the wash tub as the impeller turns. Why is this? I am confused on the rinsing action-why are there these selections, and why wouldn't you just use the same selection as the wash cycle? Any Ideas?
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Post# 36902-3/25/2004-11:06 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: I was a fan who was lucky enough to be able to go to one of the Lucy conventions in Burbank, CA.
I would have to disagree with the stove and frig always being Westinghouse in the Ricardo's apartment. If you notice in at least one episode, there is a Roper range. I believe the scene shows someone sitting at the table; showing the name in the background. I also believe the range was gas. Almost all episodes showed electric range. Someone with the whole series should be able to tell us which episode it was.
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Post# 36903-3/25/2004-12:50 ||| Chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: "Uni" or "Agnes":
Agnes......... I'll ask you first since you seem to be the biggest Philco fan around here. Could you explain the "Undertow" agitator action to me??? And........ just what did you think about it afterwards??? And lastly, how effective you thought it was in getting the clothes clean???
Unimatic........ What was the concept behind the "Undertow" agtitation method that Philco has seem to used in their washers during the late 1950's/early 1960's???? And does your 1959 Automagic use "Undertow" agitation????
I ask you both this question because if you read my profile (which I have recently updated), you both will find that I have added some more favorites as to what type of dream machines I would like to find. I have already listed a late 1950's Philco Automagic a long time ago as one of my dream finds. Now, I have added a early 1960's Philco Ms America as well.
Thanks in advance and regards to you two........
--Charles--
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Post# 36904-3/25/2004-13:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: Ahh the Philco. Well Charles and everyone in Applianceville I have very interesting news about my ‘59 Philco. Those of you who attend our first convention here in Minneapolis will remember seeing my original ’59 Philco, and the turnover was just “fair”, most would agree. When I had found that machine it needed some pump work but otherwise it worked fine, the problem with the machine was the gray rubber agitator disk was starting to disintegrate. So I took it apart and found that the wavy rubber disk was simply a flat round rubber disk, the wave shape was caused by the two metal agitator plates pressing the rubber down into a wave shape. So I went to my local rubber store where I bought a large piece of flat rubber, similar in thickness and firmness to the original and cut it into a circle the same size as the original. I put it back together and the new rubber disk seemed to work fine, but the turnover was just so-so. I had heard through a few different sources, such as an old Philco servicer, that the Philco high-frequency agitator machines always had poor turnover, so I assumed this was normal. Then as some of you guys might remember I found a new set of ’59 Philcos down in Illinois late last year. The new washer had transmission problems, but had a nearly pristine rubber agitator disk! So I took the tranny apart and fixed the new Philco washer using parts from a Aberdeen farm transmission, and installed my new ’59 Philco with the good disk. To my shock and surprise the TURNOVER is just WONDERFUL! It can even wash a queen size comforter in the Philco and it turns it over rather well! I’m not sure what the exact difference was between my replacement rubber disk and the original OEM disk, but it was like night and day.
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Post# 36905-3/25/2004-14:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: That is very interesting Robert about the difference of the turnover. I guess the transmission is the same as your other one right?
I do remember some of the pictures that you had of your '59 Philco and you showed your dirty white socks before you washed a load of whites. I think that your caption read that it was grease from working on the machine. I remember how shocked I was seeing how white and clean the socks were after what seemed to be a good size load of whites.
Do you find that your "newer" '59 washes better? Or is the secret just in the undertow? I think that they are such cool machines with a great and "modern" way of washing. What is the spin speed of that baby?
So, do you have the set that you found hooked up? If so, what is your opinion of the dryer? I thought it looked like a huge dryer.
Brent
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Post# 36906-3/25/2004-16:08 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy! I love Lucy!!!
Now kindly take your hands off of my washing machine!!!!
Rich
PS. Let's you, me, and Mike have a Lucy marithon when you are here!
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Post# 36907-3/25/2004-16:13 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Great for washing those dirty dish towels! Congrats, Don! What fun!
Rich
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Post# 36908-3/25/2004-16:24 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: HHMMM....maybe you are supposed to keep water running into the wash tub while it drains...like an upside down overflow rinse. LOL! You could always put the discharge hose over the side of the tub with a wire mesh sock over the end and get a recirculating lint filter effect.
Rich
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Post# 36909-3/25/2004-16:47 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting and Profounding, Robert.........)
MESSAGE: Well, I may not have had nothing much to say when you were renovating your machines (namely........... the 1957 Lady Kenmore, and later on......... the 1959 Philco Automagic (which is the machine that's under discussion right now (lucky machine))), but that sure didn't mean that I wasn't observing your many renovations. Nothing else couldn't be further from the truth. I have watched and admired your renovations from afar. So in saying that then, I have watched from start to finish your renovation of your ORIGINAL 1959 Philco. And I even saw you do your first load of wash inside of it when you got finish putting it back into operation. The white socks that you have worn when you were fixing the machine were REALLY dirty if I could recall correctly. Being that you have washed them in your ORIGINAL 1959 Philco (which I also saw), it looked like to me that the machine has gotten those socks shockingly clean and bright. So then, if the turnover was only average in the original 1959 Philco, how did get the socks as clean as it has gotten them??? And oh yes, I want to know how fast that thing spins too.
And being that I have read your response, I guess the question now remains, now that you got two models of the same washer from the same year, and you say that the turnover in the new one is lot better than the turnover in the old one, the question now is what is the status of the original one???? And if it is still running, are you going to sell it to one of the persons here at "applianceville" who is looking for a vintage Philco to play with (I would jump on it........ but I live in an small urban apartment, so where am I going to put it????? So me getting it wouldn't be feasible)???? Or are you going to part it out???? Or are you going to trash it???
Were going to see pictures of the new Philco in action pretty soon, aren't we????
--Charles--
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Post# 36910-3/25/2004-17:48 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Mrs Trumbull to Richgolittlesport: "Well, if you ask me, your doing it the hard way!"
Yeah! A Lucy Ricardo wash in when Im in S Cal. in a couple of weeks sounds great. Lets start with the washer episode! Only lets run it in reverse, so it has a happy ending. !!hahahhah.
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Post# 36911-3/25/2004-17:53 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: If you give me the storyline of the episode I can run it and investigate. I might be mistaken, but having seen every episode countless times, I can never recall any gas stove in Lucy Ricardo's New York apartment.
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Post# 36912-3/25/2004-17:57 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Philco Washers.......
MESSAGE: I always have been a BIG fan of Philco washers, but many have pooh poohed me about their washing ability or rate of turnover. Ive used both designs and used the later Blades of Water design a lot in years past. I was always very impressed with their turnover and washing ability, AND they never had a tangling problem. Im lucky now to have a 1959 Dexter washer and also 2 1965 Philco Blades of Water washers.
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Post# 36913-3/25/2004-18:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: I do this with my Maytag twinny all the time.
Makes good suds too.
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Post# 36914-3/25/2004-18:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: That's very interesting Robert. Even though (by looking at your Philco pics of the greasy socks) they clean well, I never thought you would get good turnover with a "flapper-style" Philco (watched DaDoES' videos), since it was meant to pull the clothes under. It's amazing that you can put a queen size comforter in there and you STILL get turnover; I can't even do this with my DD Kenmore. How big is the tub on your machine?
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Post# 36915-3/25/2004-19:34 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: Very exciting find this evening. One of my customers that knows I collect appliances called and found this 1965 Philco dryer for me in a house of stuff he bought out. He called and said there was a Philco something or other, but he didnt know if it was a washer or a dryer. The only thing he was sure about was that it had a port hole window in the front. I kept hoping it was a washer/dryer combo from Philco, but it turned out to be a dryer. But dont get me wrong! Im very pleased with it as its in great shape and it WORKS. Yeah! I asked the dealer to be sure and check if the washer was there, but it was not, only a new model of something, and it was a mess he said. I will use this dryer as part of the set of Philco's that I brought home from the Aberdeen farm. This one is much better that the one that had set out in a field for 20yrs!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo
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Post# 36916-3/25/2004-19:45 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: Hi Don, In answer to your question about the rinsing on your Penncrest, I can offer how my Mont Wards version of it worked. It was possible to rinse in the spin tub side of the washer, by loading the clothes in the spin tub, then setting the rinse dial to small or large, and water would spray into the tub while it was spinning and rinse and spin the clothes at the same time. It WAS NOT POSSIBLE to wash and spin/rinse the clothes at the same time. It was either/or. Turning on the rinse dial turned the drain pump on. Since there is only one drain pump, it makes the wash water drain too. Maytag portables and Hoover portables worked in a very similar manner. You could, of course, just drain the soapy water out, spin the clothes, put them back in the big tub, fill it with clean water and rinse them, then spin them out. Doing it the other way, by rinsing them while spinning saved a lot of time and steps..........Others may be able to refine this explaination some, but thats how Ive used other portables.....
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Post# 36917-3/25/2004-20:36 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: I do not know the storyline, but you might first try the episode with "Freddy the Fretzer". Fred Mertz shuts off the Ricardo's utilities. Sorry I cannot narrow it down, but I know that I am not smokin' anything. The stove does stand out, because it is so different from seeing the electric stove for countless episodes.
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Post# 36918-3/25/2004-20:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers.......
MESSAGE: All this Philco talk makes me want to work on my Philco Miss (fallen) America...big job though, the poor dear was outside for many years. Even though nicer ones are cropping up all over the place ;-) I'm still glad I took her from the farm and have (hopefully) found the parts to rebuild her. I left the Miss A panel behind as it was completely destroyed and took another panel from a MOL machine to use on her body.
We might have to have a Philco rebuilding party sometime, Jimmy!
Here is a picture of the treasures from our South Dakota Sacred Appliance Burial Ground trip with Jimmy and Peter in June '02. Miss (fallen) America is way back in the corner of the garage, you can barely make out the "new" control panel in the full size version...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/June+2002+SD+Farm+Trip&.dnm=Garage+North+Wall.jpg
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Post# 36919-3/25/2004-20:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: Excellent find, Jimmy! This solves the fan trouble with the farm machine quite nicely!!
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Post# 36920-3/25/2004-21:39 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers....... (Link)
MESSAGE: I was only able to see page 6 of your link. I've been having an impossible time with "website is not responding". Is that a Frigidaire Skinni-Mini to the far right? Were these good machines? I remember seeing a similar one as a kid in one of my friend's basements. If I remember correctly, the tub and agitator was all of one mold. Did the whole tub move back and forth to agitate the load? Was there an overflow rinse?
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Post# 36921-3/25/2004-21:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........ (Niffty!)
MESSAGE: Jimmy!
You are really on a winning streak! AGAIN!
I am so happy that you are saving these appliance.
That Philco looks new to me. Is this the same model dryer that you got from the farm?
Really happy for you!
Do tell of your thoughts about the dryer.
She is very nice! Thanks for the photos!
I bet you are having fun!
Brent
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Post# 36922-3/25/2004-22:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: The Maytag portables have no fill spout (which is somewhat ironic because you'd think a portable would connect to a sink) so I have to pump out the washwater, refill, and rinse. That's why I usually try to do 2 loads in the same wash/rinse water (if the loads aren't very dirty, that is) since filling the wash tub from the sink is VERY time-consuming.
Spin-rinsing is another option, and I think that's what the previous owner did, because the spin brake cushion was worn out, causing it to make a loud BANG when I unlatched the spinner lid (I ended up taking the spin brake off. Safety wasn't a concern for me--if someone was dumb enough to stick their hand in a tub spinning at 1000+ RPM, then they would be dumb enough not to know how to use a twin-tub washer in the first place :) ).
It's interesing that the other twinnies at the time had a FILL SPOUT and a "Spray-Rinse" feature. You'd think Maytag would have followed them in the idea, like they did for a certain type of agitator...but then, no one else followed Maytag's dual-propeller design.
Will post pictures of the Maytag later on tonight.
--Austin
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Post# 36923-3/25/2004-22:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hey Brent and everyone. Those white socks did come out nice and clean with my "retrofit" repair. I didn't mean that there was no turnover in the old machine, just much less turnover and that load with the socks was only about 75% of total capacity, so it was able to keep the wash moving and under water the whole time.
The new machine with the original agitator disk does seem to clean better with full loads and can handle a much larger load than the old one. I have not tried the dryer yet, I will work on that later on in the year.
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Post# 36924-3/25/2004-22:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting and Profounding, Robert.........)
MESSAGE: Hi Charles, the Philco agitate speed is around 550wpm and spin speed is around 550 rpm, wpm being wobbles per minute of course :)
As for the old machine I haven't decided exactly what I'm going to do with that yet.
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Post# 36925-3/25/2004-22:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)...........
MESSAGE: The Philco wash tub is slightly larger than the Unimatic tub, about 12lbs.
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Post# 36926-3/25/2004-22:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: Fabulous find Jimmy, another Philco saved!
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Post# 36927-3/25/2004-23:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers....... (Link)
MESSAGE: Yahoo is acting up tonight, looks like one of their tubes has gone bad!
Yes to everything! That is a Frigdaire Skinny-Mini, one of Peter's treasures from the farm. Rich in CA also has one, as well as Todd in New Orleans. They are a solid tub machine, the solid tub turns back and forth causing waves from the molded-in agitator for washing action. Turnover is slower, but those who have them like them, I think. I've never seen one up close and personal running, but they have a very interesting spring, cable and pulley mechanism to create the oscillation of the tub - and an overflow, the best part of a solid tub!
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Post# 36928-3/26/2004-00:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Twin tub)
MESSAGE: I've always had fill hoses that slipped over the spout of the faucet - much faster if it doesn't have a flow restrictor. In the Maytag portable I had, as well as the basic model Hoovers (without auto-rinse feature) I've had over the years were horrible at spray rinsing. The problem was that the water hit the top of the load in the spinner and jumped away into the outer tub before even getting into the load.
The Hoover Deluxe with Automatic Rinse (fill spout that swung over to wash-tub for filling) were a little better. They worked OK, but really sudsy loads took many (like 10) "cycles" before the water was clear from the drain hose. A manual version of this spin/fill/spin, would work with the non-auto rinsing models & Maytags, but again, took a lot of time to get good results. The advantage of the auto-rinse feature was that you could reuse the wash water while the first load was rinsing. Both Maytag and Hoover had drain valves on the pump so that it could be used while clothes were sloshing around in the washtub.
Here is a brochure I scanned of the Hoover Deluxe, the next page describes the auto-rinse feature - download pic for full size... I've seen Hoovers with the fill spout and no auto-rinse, but they were the exception, most basic Hoover models had no spout, just a loose fill hose like Maytag.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=Hoover+Washer.jpg
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Post# 36929-3/26/2004-00:53 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: You can get a snap fitting that has regular garden hose or fill hose threads that attach to you sink faucet just like a portable dishwasher, using a snap fitting on your faucet. That would lessen the fill time. Or you could just get the hoses off of an old portable dishwasher. The snap coupling usually leak a lot less than the rubber slide on faucet fill hoses. Glen.
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Post# 36930-3/26/2004-06:30 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........
MESSAGE: nice dryer Jimmy ................
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Post# 36931-3/26/2004-10:32 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting and Profounding, Robert.........)
MESSAGE: Charles - I guess Robert answered your questions much better than I ever could, since he has the machines. Also, I have had computer problems so I am behind on all posts.
Regards,
Angus
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Post# 36932-3/26/2004-10:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: IIRC, the range always looked like an electric and the only reference to gas was whenever the subject of bill paying came up and Lucy would mention the gas bill.
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Post# 36933-3/26/2004-10:42 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: I remember an episode where there was a Roper gas range in the kitchen also. And I agree...it was the episode where Fred shuts off the Ricardo's utilities. Lucy has a chicken in the oven and Fred turns the gas off. They may have put that stove in just for that episode so that turning the gas off would effect something in the apartment.
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Post# 36934-3/26/2004-11:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: Hmmm, strangely enough that reminds me of certain pictures taken at a convention...
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Post# 36935-3/26/2004-11:31 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: My friend Pol from Belgium asked some questions about the Mobile Maid he purchased recently. Unfortunately until now he didn't get much response. He joined this club especially for this dishwasher. Could some of the dishwasher experts have a look again at his problem?
Thanks in advance,
Louis
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Post# 36936-3/26/2004-14:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances
MESSAGE: You know Rich, I do remember that also.... Wasn't that an earlier episode that involved the 99 year lease - - with everyone singing at the piano until around 2:30am??? Then after Fred and Ethel went home, Lucy and Ricky continued playing and singing - that's what started the trouble in the first place
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Post# 36937-3/26/2004-15:29 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances (Rich is Correct!!!!)
MESSAGE: Episode #18 El Breako The LeaseO The Roper gas range was a one time thing, worked into the plot of Fred turing the gas off to harrass the Ricardo's into moving out.
Redecorate? Yes! After we fumigate........Good memory Rich, seems you are the number one Lucy/Appliance guru.
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Post# 36938-3/26/2004-15:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Free 1954 or 1955 Westinghouse Slant-Front Dryer
MESSAGE: Hello troops,
There is a '54 or '55 Westy Laundromat Dryer in the San Francisco metropolitan area for free!
Contact:
quique@enriquemassa.com
if interested.
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Post# 36939-3/26/2004-15:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: BTW, Pol has posted some pictures of this dishwasher in a Yahoo album.
LINK: http://uk.f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/alveracht/album?.dir=/1fff
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Post# 36940-3/26/2004-16:26 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Free 1954 or 1955 Westinghouse Slant-Front Dryer (Westinghouse dryer in San Francisco)
MESSAGE: This is the same dryer I posted to the group when it was advertised on Craigslist a month or two ago. It is located in San Francisco near the Castro. The dryer doesn't look like a mid 50's model but a 1959 model.
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Post# 36941-3/26/2004-21:35 ||| GESwivel (Southern CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Lucy Ricardo's appliances (Rich is Correct!!!!(Rich is correct?????))
MESSAGE: FilterFlo,I do not mean to rain on Rich's parade, but wasn't it I who said it was a Roper and described an episode? I believe Rich agreed with me. I also said it was in at least one episode.
Rich, I knew I was not crazy.
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Post# 36942-3/26/2004-21:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: While on the subject of Philcos. New Find Thurs eve........ (Philco Dryers)
MESSAGE: The Philco dryers are wonderful pieces of art as far as design goes, with the porthole window, abundance of chrome, and lighted control panel. At first glance someone (including me) would think it's a washer.
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Post# 36943-3/26/2004-22:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Maytag (deep rinse is more effective))
MESSAGE: Is it just me, or do the European Hoovers look better-made than the American Hoovers? Regardless, I still would like to get my hands on a Hoover Portable. That matching dryer is a RARITY!
After looking at the TOL Dispensall ad (this washer has all of the features I want on a Filter-Flo, such as the large 11" lint pan, Mini-Basket, Dispensall system, and the 7-inch backsplash with wood accents), it's amazing how the detergent dispenser in top-loaders has made a comeback. What's old is what's new again...
Based on experience, the Maytag Portables are crappy at spray-rinsing. In my opinion, filling and doing a deep rinse is better in getting the soap out, especially after a sudsy wash. Or, if it's a small load, I do a "shower rinse." The Maytag has strong agitation and a good splashguard, so I fill it either halfway or to the top of the propellers, put the clothes in, and set the timer. The clothes are doused with a steady waterfall of cold water, and come out clean every time.
What's strange about the Maytag is, even with the large-vaned dual propellers, the Monitor Tabletop turns over much faster with a SINGLE propeller with SMALLER VANES (regardless of speed, the Maytag IS better at turning over a large load; load the Monitor too much and all you'll get is sloshing). Both of the machines seem to agitate at the same speed. I first thought it was the size of the load, but I experimented with just one piece of clothing in both and the Monitor still turned over faster; go figure.
--Austin
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Post# 36944-3/27/2004-01:03 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: He could try some clear combination silicone/sealant for the small hole ....
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Post# 36945-3/27/2004-01:13 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: oh wow, there is some significant rust there, I had the same problem with one of my mobile maids that I had to trash because of it. GE use to use what they called "plastisol" which is like a thin membrane like rubber/plastic coating, on the interiors of their tubs through the 60's and 70's. Once any type of hole, crack, etc. got into the surface, rust would take over quickly. He could try a very light sanding on the rust spots and paint them with a material called "rackcote" which is aesthetically more appealing than clear silicone, (which I would still use on the hole applied from the underneath) This will hold up for awhile and it comes in blue and white and is used for DW racks. It is a similar type material to what is already on the tub. Maybe others in here have some better advice as well. Hope this helps some .....
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Post# 36946-3/27/2004-01:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
LK dishwasher found
MESSAGE: Picked up a Lady Kenmore portable, top-load DW in remarkably great shape today. I believe its a 1958, model # is 587.64810 so based on the model # I am assuming its a '58. It has the black bakelite impeller in the bottom, a light pink porcelain interior with darker pink racks and the upper "roto-rack". It does not have the extension tube out the back to spray the upper rack. All wash action is by the impeller in the bottom. I even got the owner's manual too :). I believe the control panel along the back lights up and has the pastel blue, green and yellow colors demonstrated as well. There are also two switches for either normal or super wash and normal or super rinse. Choosing super means that water will be heated to 140 degrees before the cycle continues in either the main wash or final rinse. I have had quite a few great finds lately and will be posting pics soon ........
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Post# 36947-3/27/2004-06:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Rinsing with the Penncrest Twin tub)
MESSAGE: Hi
Here is my tuppence worth...
Most older Japanese twinnies I have dealt with were intended to do a deep rinse in the wash side, not to do spray rinses.
In the side of the wash tub there is usually a grille, possibly with a lint filter inside. In behind the grille is an outlet to the pump, so you can get an overflow rinse. You drain the tub, then refill with fresh water and leave the hose running into the tub. When the water level gets above the selected outlet, the excess water falls down into the pump.
When you select the large or small rinse setting, you are selecting high or low overflow rinse outlet. One Sanyo I knew had infinitely variable level, by using a flexible plastic hose (like a concertina) inside the grille area. The rinse level knob just raised or lowered the end of the plastic hose.
Some also had a spray over the spinner, commonly labelled shower rinse. This would spray while spinning, which is pretty ineffective. The water is spun off in the top few inches, it doesn't penetrate down into the spin can very far.
The Hoovers and others with true auto-rinse alternate between wetting the clothes in the spin can, then spinning off the water. (the water flow continues during the spin, however.) It is achieved with a pressure switch. The water flows onto the clothes on the spinner, which is NOT spinning. As they have just been spun out, they are thirsty and absorb water. When they are saturated, excess water flows through the spinner drum into the outer spin tub, where it builds up till the pressure switch trips. The spinner and pump start, and empty out the accumulated and spun out water. When the level drops enough for the pressure switch to reset, the action stops and the next rinse begins. This will continue cycling forever till the operator turns off the water and selects a final spin.
For this type of rinsing to work well, it is imperative to use only a very slow flow of water into the spinner. If the water flows in faster than the clothes can absorb it, excess water will build up quickly and the spinner will start before the clothes lower in the spin can have got wet. The clothes at the bottom only get their rinse water through all the clothes on top of them, so it takes time to percolate down. Later Aussie Hoovers were designed with a restrictive inlet, so that water would overflow onto the spinner lid if the water flow was too fast. That made it obvious to the user to turn the tap down.
I have recently recommenced using a Hoovermatic Deluxe with auto rinse, and it rinses fine after three or at most four cycles.
Chris
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Post# 36948-3/27/2004-08:42 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Penncrest Rinsing solved-Thanks Chris!)
MESSAGE: That answers all of my questions. I didn't understand what the little grill was for, but it looked like some sort of filter. The pump would only drain occasionally on the rinse setting, when it was alligned with that filter. Since I wasn't letting the water overflow, it stopped draining. The small rinse setting must use the drain in the bottom of the tub. One of the things I love about this club is the collective knowledge from the different members-worldwide! Thanks for your post Chris, I now will have overflow rinses in my kitchen!
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Post# 36949-3/27/2004-09:26 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: If you decide to let that old beauty go, I WANT IT!!!(....and I'll have room for it soon!)Mark
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Post# 36950-3/27/2004-09:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: Someone might disagree with me here, but I don't think a Philco washer should be used regularly since parts are VERY SCARCE. Even GM Frigidaire parts seem more common than these.
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Post# 36951-3/27/2004-10:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: This might bring up an interesting discussion...
Why were automatic washer capacities so small in the 50's and 60's? It seems the largest available was 12 lb., but many machines only held 9 lbs, which would make automatic tubs relatively small compared to some wringers available at the time. The 15, 18, and 20+ lb. tubs didn't come out until the 70's (late 60's at the earliest). Very interesting since big families of 5 kids or more were popular at the time.
--Austin
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Post# 36952-3/27/2004-10:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo! (Penncrest Rinsing solved-Thanks Chris!)
MESSAGE: In fact, the grill can act as a filter. After I finish washing in the Maytag and pump out the water, there is always some large debris, hair, and lint on the drain screen. I just clean it before I deep rinse.
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Post# 36953-3/27/2004-10:07 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
1940s Bendix front load, attn: southerners!
MESSAGE: Swooooon..... There is a front load Bendix washer for auction on E-bay. Looks to be 1940s and appears to be in really good shape. If only I lived in Atlanta!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3283722566&category=1400
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Post# 36954-3/27/2004-10:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
GE POD
MESSAGE: Stunning 1950's-60's 12 lb. Filter-Flo. This just HAS to be GE's first Mini-Basket, with "no fingernails or rings to snag clothes." It's interesting that GE advertised it for doing delicates, when later on it was more suited to small loads. Now for a MAMMOTH load...
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Post# 36955-3/27/2004-10:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
ATTENTION! Kenmore Collectors.....
MESSAGE: In my travels today,I aquired a Kenmore washer.Looks to be early 60's vintage.Model 110.6114721 Serial 51318S89 stock 11472. Complete,looks to have normal wear for the age,unknown working condition.
I saved it from the scrap heap,but have no use for it. You are it's last hope.$20.00 and it's yours. Pick up in South Bend IN,or arrange all shipping.I can hold it for maybe a month or so.EMail me for pictures. goats3@aol.com
kenny
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Post# 36956-3/27/2004-15:05 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: As a child of the late 1950's and 1960's,I can recall that my mother did not work outside the home.We had four children in my family,all four years apart. I can remember our 1958 Kenmore running almost every day. My mother didn't just do laundry once a week.I am sure it was a continual process.Us kids threw our dirty clothes down the clothes shoot,and the clean clothes came back into our drawers folded and fresh.My best guess is that for the times,the nine,ten,or twelve lb. capacity automatics were fine.Perhaps the lady of the house was so greatful she didn't have to use a wringer model,as her mother did,she never gave the smaller load issue a thought.More mothers were working outside the home by the mid 1960's,so that may have brought out the "tub size race" by the manufactures.Similar to the horsepower race car manufacter's had then.Including the Hotpoint programmable tol machine featured now and then in the picture of the day.(Lady Executive??)I know as a child then,we got dirtier than kids do now.We were outside playing from morning until the street lights came on,so we had DIRTY clothes every day! By the way,we had CHURCH clothes,SCHOOL clothes,and PLAY clothes.The worst thing you could do was throw your church,or school clothes on the floor instead of hanging them up on the hangers,or play in them.The punishment for either was NOT fun.Standing in the corner for an hour,or a spanking. So there is your history lesson for the day on how things really were in the Midwest,c.late 50's early 60's.
Rickr
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Post# 36957-3/27/2004-15:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Speeds (spin speeds)
MESSAGE: While I love the "automatic" aspect of the pre-set cycles, the separate buttons are really much more flexible when it comes to washing the way YOU want it, not the way the ENGINEERS thought it should be washed. i.e., I often wash my cotton items at delicate (slow) agitation in order to make them last longer but I want to spin them at high speed to get the most water out. Very few machines let you do this, either as an automatic pre-set cycle OR a manually set option. Another example is where a pre-set cycle for colors or the cold water wash will have a shorter agitation time. Another is that the "Permanent Press" cycle is often shorter. I like to be able to wash my white Permanent Press items for the same length of time that I wash white Cotton items for. Lastly, I usually want to wash in cold water for a LONGER time, but pre-set cycles never let you do this. So I think that's why the A B C 1 2 3 "just push a button or flip a lever" method has fallen out of favor.
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Post# 36958-3/27/2004-18:20 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: ATTENTION! Kenmore Collectors.....
MESSAGE: Washer is spoken for.Sounds like it's found a good home.Another classic saved!
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Post# 36959-3/27/2004-19:00 ||| Raspberryjam (New York)
SUBJECT:
Beautyqueen---enamelware kitchen sink?????
MESSAGE: Help!! My father recently received a white enamelware kitchen sink with the original cabintry marked with an emblem 'Beautyqueen'. Does anyone know anything about 'Beautyqueen'???? I can't find any information about the company or any information about enamelware sinks.
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Post# 36960-3/27/2004-19:41 ||| Dannimac (Philadelphia)
SUBJECT:
RCA Estate range
MESSAGE: Help! I inhertied a beautiful RCA Estate Range when I purchased my house last month. I love her but her ovens won't work. I've searched high and low for a model number; so I can convince a repairman to come and check her out but it's gone. Does anyone out there know where I can find more info out about RCA appliances. I think it's 1955. Description:" double oven right side has glass in door. Draw on bottom left and broiler on the right. 4 burners with a thermostatic griddle in the center. Please help me save my stove.
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Post# 36961-3/27/2004-20:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: Well, I can say this. My dad grew up in a family of eight kids and the washer they had at the time (which was a GE Filter-Flo, 50's or 60's model) was running 24/7/365. He doesn't remember a time when my grandma wasn't doing a load laundry. I'm not sure what other brands of washers they had before and after this one, but they were definitely TOL models since they had to last and withstand nonstop daily use...
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Post# 36962-3/27/2004-21:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Speeds (spin speeds)
MESSAGE: The pre-set cycles to get annoying (the "Regular" cycle on my Kenmore switches to slow agitation after about 3 minutes, and the load is usually big, so I have to use "Heavy Duty" instead), but the preset water temperature/load size selections are the worst. If I'm doing whites, I prefer the Hot/Warm rinse, but preset options eliminated that, so I have to use "Hot/Cold" for wash, and switch it over to "Warm/Warm" for rinse. Ditto with load size. "Small" and "Medium" fill below the spiral on the agitator, while "Large" is way too big.
Manufacturers need to make "Flexible Cycle Options" again.
--Austin
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Post# 36963-3/27/2004-21:43 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: Our 58 Kenmore lasted until 1972,when the timer went out.I remember mom advancing the timer by hand for a few days,until we got a new machine.The replacement was another Kenmore c. 1972. IT wasn't TOL like the 58,It must have been mid to BOL. I never liked it.It leaked slightly from day one,had a boring straight vane gold adg.The quality had dropped slightly,as it rusted to hell.They had several overhauls on it,and finally replaced it about 1995.With another Kenmore,of course!
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Post# 36964-3/27/2004-21:54 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Speeds (spin speeds)
MESSAGE: I have a 2003 KM 90 series and that machine is very flexible....but that is a discussion for the sandbox.
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Post# 36965-3/28/2004-06:56 ||| michael (united kingdom)
SUBJECT:
The washing machines of my life
MESSAGE: My earliest recollection back in the sixties was a Thor top loader with a glass lid and pedals.I can remember that when it used to spin out the water, the pipe would jump out of the sink and flood the kitchen!!
When that finally died,back in 1976, we bought our first f.l.-a Hoover keymatic deluxe.This was an advanced machine for it's time with 16 programmes and a 3 part dispenser. It had 2 plastic programmers with 8 programes on each. One was white and the other orange. The white one would prewash automatically without having to return to the machine.All this for £159.00 from John Lewis!!
In 1982, when it had spun for the last time, we got a Hotpoint supermatic deluxe twin tub, which was a great machine for washing,but lousy for rinsing!
We stuck it out till 1987,and we then got a Hoover logic 1200.Boy,talk about noisy!! AND unreliable!!
In 1990,we got a Hitachi autoset 1000,which i think was actually made by Servis. This machine was all pushbuttons,very easy to use and not too noisy.The trouble was it ripped your clothes to shreds!! When we realised this, we got it changed after a few months and got a Hotpoint microtronic to replace this.Again, this was all pushbuttons and like all Hotpoints,noisy!
After 2 new motors and endless repairs, in 1996 we got a Zannusi directa washing machine. This was a f.l. with dial and lots of buttons.Again,at 1200rpm,it was like concorde in the kitchen.
Finally,in 2001, we got a Miele w360 f.l.with matching tumble drier.I'm happy to say both work VERY quietly with no fuss and no vibration!! They are both on twice a day EVERY day and to date never gone wrong!!
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Post# 36966-3/28/2004-07:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (correct date)
MESSAGE: actually its a '64, the 587. means its a D&M design .....
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Post# 36967-3/28/2004-09:00 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: To: Unimatic or Agnes (About Philcos)........... (Interesting Robert!)
MESSAGE: Umm.. Mark, so does everyone else........
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Post# 36968-3/28/2004-09:16 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's
MESSAGE: But it wasn't all that different for any of us - whether Midwest or New York City. Even my mother, who did work outside the home, did some amount of laundry every day. And you are right on target about the housewives of the day being so grateful for an automatic washer that the smaller tub capacity wouldn't matter. I always remember my mother saying that nothing was worse than having to do the wash for a family with 9 other siblings on a washboard in a tub, then boiling, bleaching, rinsing repeatedly until no "scum" remained, then bluing, wringing, hanging, ironing, etc...... for some reason that was a chore that she and her next older sister shared.
Even for our family of only 4, there was still a fair amount of wash. Work clothes for my father - a clean set every day for he was in construction, white Catholic school shirts and blouses (5 each, every week, navy blue cotton school pants for me (luckily my sister wore those dreaded plaid wool jumpers), towels, bedding, play clothes, etc..... All this and no clothes dryer in a Brooklyn apartment. But she managed to get it all done regularly. Just the thought of ironing all that would kill me.......
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Post# 36969-3/28/2004-09:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers....... (Link (website not responding))
MESSAGE: I had this problem, too, were you using AOL to access the link? I got frustrated and ended using IE to access the link, which worked fine. You might try opening IE separately fromAOL (it will use the AOL TCP/IP connection) and see if it works better that way.
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Post# 36970-3/28/2004-09:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Mobile Maid dishwasher (A question for help from Belgium about a Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: hmm, looks just like the US version, except for the double row heating element and no retractable cord on the back. What was the question again?
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Post# 36971-3/28/2004-10:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (model year)
MESSAGE: I checked the parts list at Sears for a date, but there wasn't any (sometimes there is). "587" is just the code for teh manufacturer, in this case, D & M. Hope you don't have the leaky drain pump like my 1962 model does. Anybody find an old line dealer for dishwasher parts yet? I still need pat number 803888. It's really leaking now, have to put a towel on the floor everytime I run it. Additionally, now one of the little trap doors on the detergent dispenser has broken off, too
LINK: http://www3.sears.com/imaging/ImagePageJava.shtml?
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Post# 36972-3/28/2004-10:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: RCA Estate range (model number)
MESSAGE: Look under the burners, a commonplace for model plates on ranges
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Post# 36973-3/28/2004-10:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Washer Tub Sizes of the 50's and 60's (58 timer replacement vs 72 KM overhauls)
MESSAGE: So they paid to overhaul the '72 KM a few times, but didn't replace a much cheaper timer on the '58? I don't get it.
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Post# 36974-3/28/2004-10:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Speeds (pre-set cycles)
MESSAGE: That's because newer machines have gotten away from pre-set cycles, as I said.
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Post# 36975-3/28/2004-10:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: The washing machines of my life (Bad luck with washers!)
MESSAGE: Wow, that's SEVEN washers in the time from 1976 to 2001!
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Post# 36976-3/28/2004-10:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (no spray wash tube)
MESSAGE: Sure enough, there's no spray tube for tehh upper Roro RAck in the parts list. I've NEVER seen a Roto Rack KM DW without the spray tube for the upper rack. Very strange, expecially for an LK machine. My older, Model 600 '62 "Bewitched" machine has it.
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Post# 36977-3/28/2004-10:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Washers....... (One piece Skinny Mini tub/agitator)
MESSAGE: Hmm, hard to believe that this washer worked the same way a "Suzy Homemaker" toy washer worked.
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Post# 36978-3/28/2004-16:14 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (model year)
MESSAGE: hi .... your link does not or did not seem to be working at the time I clicked on it. I hope the drain does not leak either, I think the machine had little use, however, the timer will have to be rebuilt I think whereas it is not advancing and you cannot turn the timer dial, its frozen solid. But there is absolutely no rust at all and the porcelain is shiny new.........
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Post# 36979-3/28/2004-16:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (no spray wash tube)
MESSAGE: hmmm?? that is strange, being two years older and yes, this has absolutely no spray tube for the upper rack, I was surprised as well, supposedly I was told that the force and constant angled direction of the spray from the impeller below actually did cause the roto-rack to turn somewhat. I wonder why mine does not have the spray tube ???
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Post# 36980-3/28/2004-18:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Kelvy POD
MESSAGE: Great 60's/70's ad for a TOL Large Capacity Kelvinator. It doesn't say on the ad whether this is an AMC machine or not, but has all the makings of one, including the "lint splasher".
The ad didn't capitalize "washer" in the model name. Most ads I've seen do, as in "GE Filter-Flo Automatic Washer". Very interesting...
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Post# 36981-3/28/2004-18:33 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
POD: Woman
MESSAGE: She looks like Neeley O'hara in Valley of the Dolls. "Sure I use a little Tide, I got to get up at 5 in the morning and sparkle, Neeley, sparkle"
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Post# 36982-3/28/2004-18:36 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
POD: Woman
MESSAGE: She looks like Neeley O'hara in Valley of the Dolls. "Sure I use a little Tide, I got to get up at 5 in the morning and sparkle, Neeley, sparkle"
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Post# 36983-3/28/2004-18:54 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman
MESSAGE: Could that Kelvinator washer really be a Norge?
The filter pan/softener disp looks like a burp up style. I don't think it's a ABC washer. Does anyone know for sure?
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Post# 36984-3/28/2004-19:11 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman (Jackie Susann......)
MESSAGE: Ha I loved your post. "Now get out of the way, I got a WASHER waiting for me......" "Thats a switch from the WASH TUBS your usually stuck with......."
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Post# 36985-3/28/2004-19:19 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman
MESSAGE: The POD Kelvinator is approx a very late 60's or early 70's model. Made after their break with parent company American Motors. It was a new design that only lasted a few years and has a recirculating filter by pump. This was the first perforated tub machine with the Kelvinator name, but not really a very good design. There is a MOL model at the shop that Greg and I had gone to in Iowa. But its in very rough/taken apart condition. I passed on buying it the last couple of times we were there because of that. It is not a Norge design, but I can not say with any certaintly who made it. I do know that it had a 4inch spinning clutch plate at the bottom of the tranny that used to wear very fast. Easy to fix, but they would not stay fixed and working for very long.....most were scrapped years ago because of that. Sure is neat to see the POD tho.........
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Post# 36986-3/28/2004-19:38 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman
MESSAGE: This looks alot like a Franklin made machine. They were made in Webster City, Iowa. They also made some private label machines for Gambles-the "Coronado" brand, and the Western Auto "Wizard" brand, and also the "Gibson" brand. I believe this model had the clutch on the motor shaft and a dome type transmission, similar to a Westinghouse dome transmission. The clutch on the bottom of the transmission came out a little later with the spinning transmission that is the ancestor to the new style Frigidaire TL.
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Post# 36987-3/28/2004-22:25 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
1970 Whirlpool Set on ebay
MESSAGE: Hi,
Just wanted to let everyone know that I've posted my avocado green Whirlpool washer & dryer for sale on ebay!
Todd
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Post# 36988-3/28/2004-22:40 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman (Wizard/Norge)
MESSAGE: I believe that the Western Auto "Wizard" washers were manufactured by Norge?
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Post# 36989-3/28/2004-23:14 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman (Wizard/Norge)
MESSAGE: Norge may have made some Wizards along the way, but all the ones I have seen were Franklin machines. These machines got sucked up into WCI...the same agitator in this Kelvinator was found in some post-GM Frigidaires. Although the control panel does look a bit Norge...I believe this is a WCI machine. Check out this Wizard ad on the link...definitely not a Norge, although similar in some ways.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/detail?.dir=/Vintage+Ads+%26+other+stuff&.dnm=Wizard+-+sold+by+Western+Auto.JPG
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Post# 36990-3/28/2004-23:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (non-working link)
MESSAGE: Since the link is a Java applet, it might be that you actually have to go in through Sears website in order for it to for it to work. I have to commend them in that they still actually have the parts lists and diagrams available for viewing, even though the parts themselves are generally unavailable. At least you have a part number to work with when searching the Internet or going to parts stores and not have to depend on a place having books that go back that far or dealing with counterpersons who automatically assume a part isn't available for something that old and won't even bother looking.
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Post# 36991-3/28/2004-23:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman (You're a Wizard, washer!)
MESSAGE: I remember wandering around a WA and seeing those odd-looking Wizard washers. My grandparents did have a Wizard window AC that we recently threw away.
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Post# 36992-3/28/2004-23:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman (Wizard/Norge)
MESSAGE: Norge made for Wizard later on, I have books of repair stuff for them. Earlier though, as in the linked ad and the POD, they were Franklin designs, very early on Franklin was Beam Mfg., later WCI, etc.
Interestingly enough, right before Kelvinator was absorbed into the Franklin/WCI abyss, some Kelvinator washers and dryers were made by Norge for only a year or two. We saw them on the farm...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/2002+Aberdeen+Appliance+Burial+Ground&.dnm=Dsc00015.jpg
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Post# 36993-3/29/2004-00:14 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Woman (Wizard/Norge)
MESSAGE: They were made by both Franklin & Norge at different times. I worked for Western Auto in the late 60's & early 70's and then for Gambles from the early 70's to 1983. I sold both the Wizard & Coronado machines made by both companies. Just like all chain stores they bought from who ever would make the product that they wanted at the the time they wanted it at the price that they wanted to pay. You can tell if Franklin made a Wizard Washer by the model # starting with FRA and a Coronado starting with a WA1. I can't remember the code for Norge made Wizards but Coronado was WA15. All the chain stores have a prefix to tell you who made their products.
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Post# 36994-3/29/2004-02:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
LK POD
MESSAGE: Gee, how I remember the design and colors of the control panels of those machines! Nothing today looks so good.
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Post# 36995-3/29/2004-09:47 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Pink Dryer on Ebay
MESSAGE: Here is a pink Kenmore 800 dryer. Spring is the perfect time to add this color to your collection!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3806331780&category=42232
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Post# 36996-3/29/2004-09:48 ||| Colonelc (Goffstown, NH)
SUBJECT:
General Electric Oven
MESSAGE: I just bought a home that was built in the 1950s. The oven is still here and in perfect working condition. I was hoping to find some info about the model.
The model number is J304P. The four burners on top all have inner and outer coils with a switch to control which ones to heat. Three of the burners are controlled with switches and the fourth with a slide bar that says "automatic calrod" on it.
It has all its attachments including a skillet and a meat thermometer.
I'm just looking for general information about the oven, year made, current value, etc. and any info on replacement parts, especially the burners with inner and outer coils.
Thanks
ColonelC
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Post# 36997-3/29/2004-10:44 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: General Electric Oven
MESSAGE: It is still listed in my GE parts book. It seems the only things available for it are surface burners and oven bake & broil units. Also the pushbutton switches are still available. Is this a range with 2 ovens; one eye level and one below the cooktop? I can supply parts #'s if you like. You can post here or email me. My email address is in my profile. Hope this helps!
John
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Post# 36998-3/29/2004-11:59 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (finding correct dates)
MESSAGE: well no spray tube because now I just found out that it could even older, a 1960. I was always taught that the two digits immediately after the model # after the 110. with regard to Kenmore washers designated the year. Maybe in this case being a D&M dw again the model # being 587.64810 ...... the first and last digits tell the year. I was also told that Frigidaire washers from '70-'79 all started with 7 and then the first number of the serial told the year. Anyone else know ??
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Post# 36999-3/29/2004-12:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
80's BD Westy Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: Here it is...the Belt-Drive Westinghouse washer I grew up with. This one is from 1987 and has black dials (mine was a 1986 model and had the older silver dials), but other than that, the two are identical, with the white 4-vane agitator and recirculating filter (missing its lint catcher here). This is the machine I'm after, but since the 80's machines I've seen were used heavily, they're in sad shape like this one. The 90's machines were just plain crap, with a plastic wash tub, no lint filter, and I think they even went to direct-drive before their demise.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3806803144&category=20714
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Post# 37000-3/29/2004-12:09 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (finding correct dates)
MESSAGE: Could be 1960 or 1961? Back then i'm not sure the first 2 digits designating the year was a hard & fast rule! It usually was on laundry but maybe different on d/w's. Try looking at the bottom of the back page of the owners manual; or the bottom of any page of the manual.
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Post# 37001-3/29/2004-12:20 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (finding correct dates)
MESSAGE: the model # still comes up on the Sears.com website, but i can't seem to access any pictures. Sometimes there is a date (month/yr) down in one of the corners of the pictures.
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Post# 37002-3/29/2004-12:46 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (finding correct dates)
MESSAGE: I've access the photos and it may be a possiblity that your Java is not working properly. Either Download Netcape 7.1 full program which Java is included or try this link:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/index.jsp
Also, update Macromedia Flash Player and Shockwave Players:
http://www.macromedia.com/downloads/
This may solve the applet problem on the Sears website.
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Post# 37003-3/29/2004-16:25 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (finding correct dates)
MESSAGE: THANKS!
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Post# 37004-3/29/2004-17:13 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
Guess what I just found today?!?!?!?!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone! My good friend Robert alerted me to an estate sale. By the time I got there everyone was gone, BUT, in the dumpster was a lovely 30" Flair stove. Unfortunately, it was burried so deep that I couldn't move it. I did remove the control panel with all the switches etc. When I took it apart, the vent fan HAD NEVER BEEN USED. Also sitting out by the curb was a Hoover portable dryer in yellow that I grabbed (if anyone wants it, let me know) and a beautiful GM Frigidaire Dishmobile in awsome Avacado green! The dishwasher is not one of the spin tube models. (darn it!)....but it's a TOL (I think a D&M) and in really good shape that I'm going to add to my collection. Also recovered is a 1950 something Frigidaire 3-ring washer that I think will need a lot of mechanical work even though it's in really great cosmetic shape. Never knew that Roanoke Virginia would be a goldmine for this stuff! Mark
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Post# 37005-3/29/2004-18:47 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: I have found two Lady Kenmore washers, one I believe a 1970 and the other a '72 a couple months ago. The '72 in white is in much better aesthetic shape than the '70 green ...... although both seem to run fine, I don't know about the fill valves whereas I filled them in the basement with a garden hose from outside. They both have the adjustable "vari-flex" agitator. I did notice a slight vibration or subtle knocking/banging noise of the agitator while in spin on the white '72 one; is this normal?? ..... whereas the agitator is somewhat one part over another if you know what I mean ........ my other question is can I replace this agitator with a "penta-swirl" and does this affect performance and/or life of parts or machine ???? They are both amazingly quiet machines.
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Post# 37006-3/29/2004-19:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: If the splines match on both the Vari-Flexes and the Penta-Swirls, you should have no problem changing out the agitators. Keep in mind, however, that the Penta-Swirls weren't produced until later, so don't be surprised if the Penta-Swirls
don't fit.
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Post# 37007-3/29/2004-19:33 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: Hey greg,
The knocking sound in spin could be the centerpost or spin tube bearing getting worn. Are these lk's the deeper tub washers? The penta vane should fit but the base might be bigger than the vari-flex. I always thought the vari-flex was only used in the standard tub models, but I could be wrong! They may also have the "quiet pak" system which was the thinner drive belt and thinner pulleys.
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Post# 37008-3/29/2004-19:36 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
SOMEONE SAVE IT!!!!!!
MESSAGE: A digital whirlpool dryer! It is so Perfect! Mechanically and cosmetically!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3806749592&category=42233
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Post# 37009-3/29/2004-19:58 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK POD
MESSAGE: I love the metallic panels, too, and the lights are a great bonus. Maybe the current manufacturers will troll this board for consumer feedback and suggestions for improving their designs! Hey, we can hope.
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Post# 37010-3/29/2004-20:21 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: yea, I noticed that underneath the "penta-swirl" agitator it is stamped with '73, '74, '75, '76 and '77 ....... I asssume those were the years they used it ??
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Post# 37011-3/29/2004-20:24 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: Hi John,
I think it is the thinner drive belt system and I am not sure if the knocking sound is in fact the spin tube, I mean it could be but what makes me hesitate is it distinctly sounds more like "rattling PLASTIC" ...... but I suppose at some point I could go ahead and replace the spin tube ....... although if I am going to do that then I might as well break it down further and rebuild more extensively ?
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Post# 37012-3/29/2004-20:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: I too have a Kenmore 800 Washer that has a Vari-Flex agitator and a Whirlpool Imperial 90 that is the same age as the Kenmore.To my surprize-the Agitators from these are NOT interchangable.Never seen this before.also other agitators in my stock won't fit these machines either.On the Penta-Swirls-(my mother machine has it)they agitate slower than other WP-KN designs.I wonder if putting the Penta-swirl in the Vari-Flex Kenmore would put too much load on the motor(the Vari-Flexes agitate faster)also agitator height may be a concern.I ran into this once.The Penta Swirl may be too tall for the Vari-flex machine.I think the Penta-Swirls have a bigger wash tank.
I suppose if you have a Penta-Swirl in your stock you could try.I try to get a collection of agitators to try in v arious machines.I did notice a Roto-Swirl agitator in a Kenmore 80(advocado color cabinet)that was in one of the swap shop graveyards.He couldn't save it.Tranny blown and leaky tank.The agitator needed a Agitamer to pull it. Neither he or I have one.Too bad-I guess it goes to the baler.
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Post# 37013-3/29/2004-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: That would seem about right-My mother bought a Penta-Swirl equippped washer in 1976 for her house she bought at that time.She has a Maytag dryer that dates back to the early 60's-she is still using it. She sold the washer-but no one wanted to buy the dryer at the time she was selling it.She wass trying to sell the Maytag machines when she moved into a house in the late 60's.That house had GE appliaces.A filter flo washer with mini-Basket.
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Post# 37014-3/29/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: SOMEONE SAVE IT!!!!!!
MESSAGE: A swap shop out here has a washer(digital control panel)that matches the dryer shown in your link.
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Post# 37015-3/29/2004-20:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: The sound may be from the adjustable vane blades at the base of the agitator.They slide in or out of the base when you lift and turn the top of the agitator.That adjusts how far the lower blades protrude from the base.Be careful if you pull the agitator-there is a spring under the agitator nut that will pop out when you remove the nut.The agitator and the adjustable vanes come apart when you pull the agitator.The agitator has a top barrel that fits over the base part.The vanes go between them.
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Post# 37016-3/29/2004-21:12 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: You could try removing the agitator and then put it into spin to see if the knocking stops, but be careful, that agitator has alot of pieces to it. Also does it have the timed bleach & softener disp on the left front corner? the plastic disp assy could have a crack in it and then rattle when the tub ocillates (sp) in spin.
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Post# 37017-3/29/2004-21:19 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: see thats what I thought was possible too, it does sound like plastic hitting plastic, but it is subtle as well
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Post# 37018-3/29/2004-21:25 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: actually this one has the bleach, fab soft, and det disp with recirc flow, all under one lift top on the front right hand side ....... during the last two minutes of wash you can hear the solenoid open of the bleach disp and watch it empty. Recirculating water comes through the fab soft disp during rinse as well ......... the other ('70, three speed avocado) machine has just the detergent disp (recirc water not working on this machine) with a cover on the front right and when you open the lid of the washer itself, there is a bleach and fab soft disp side by side on the front left.
The green '70 one I am going to break down for parts, it is in much worse shape aesthetically ........
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Post# 37019-3/29/2004-21:29 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
heavy and quiet
MESSAGE: I still cannot get over how quiet the older WP/Kenmores are compared to the later 70's models. I have a '78 belt drive 18 lb. capacity WP and its much noisier than my older machines. Obviously brings us again to the thinner belt on the older machines ?? Maytag being the next quiet it seems ...... Those old WP/Kenmores sure are heavy machines too ..... they seem heavier than any other vintage machine I own with the exception of the Frigidaire multi-matics. Those are pretty heavy too.
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Post# 37020-3/29/2004-21:46 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (It is a 1958)
MESSAGE: Congratulations. What a find that LK is a 58. I know this because our neighbor got that very DW you described. Exactly. On my birthday. She had 8 children. Peg ran her Westy DishDrawer 4x + daily. The house was built and sold with dish drawer model. Not like she didn’t have other things to do. She also had 2 Bendix clothes washers and tumble dryers on the enclosed back porch. This was in Indiana. All winter longer new neighbors kept calling fire department. Didn’t understand the never ending exhaust. My Mom said she never recalled being in Peg’s kitchen that DW, both Bendix and tumble dryers were not going.
I recall overhearing Peg complaining that Westy DW didn’t get spoons and glasses clean. 6 young daughters loading it. Westy died. Peg got mobile LK that you got. Your description is as I recall it being unpacked. It did not have “spray tube” beneath round top rack. Peg had huge kitchen and didn‘t bother to purchase another built-in. Dead Westy DishDrawer just sat.
By then daughters older. I do remember Peg telling my Mom that she “loved” LK DW even though connected to sink. Especially when her daughter Catherine same age a me ran it. Everything always clean. And that Catherine ran separate loads of pots-n-pans. By then my Mom had her 2nd Frigidaire w. “spin tube” loading examples printed on inside of door. This one had 2 detergent dispensers. First one only had indentation in door to place detergent.
Recently, someone posted pics of Frig DW w. door loading examples. I had to laugh. The pans loaded in bottom rack. Well, no way did it clean them as shown. Mom’s friend Charlotte never stopped bitching about this. Hers was aqua. Mom sent me over to “Shotty’s”, I was maybe 10 y/o. Explain how to load top rack only with cookware/bowls, use double wash, whatever “flat” items in bottom rack. Really is was my neighbor Catherine (also age 10) who explained the wash action of her Mom’s LK (the one you just got). So I studied the wash action of our Frig. DW and did the same. Those LK’s, as well as, 2nd generation Frig DW would stop and heat water for main wash and final rinses. I have original manual Westy DishDrawer it too heated water to 140 degrees. Westy DishDrawer once water heated to 140 one and only
“main” wash cycles was 6 ¾ minutes long. Cannot remember how long Frig. DW wash cycle was.
After that years of KA Superba’s. Applied same principle. Washed separate loads of cookware/utensils bottom rack only. Used “utility-utensils” so-called pots-n-pan cycle. It was the “full cycle”. Only difference was forced air dry time on “utility-utensils” cycle was that the dry time was shortened by 12 min. 30 sec. I have original manual. The idea behind this “joke” not unlike KA “soak cycle” joke” and I quote. “A short drying period follows the last rinse. Items with burned-on soil can be pre-soaked automatically, (now get this!) removed for “… quick …” HAND SCRACPING AND RETURNED to the DW for thorough “full cycle” treatment. Once I explained this to Mom. She only used “utility-utensils” cycle in that it was 12 min. 30 sec. Faster and dishes were completely dry. Talk about stupid cycles. Later models KA Superba’s had “party cycle”. Fast got bottom rack of pots clean and really quick when deleting dry cycle push “cancel/drain” button and let air dry. Hope your LK works. It’s a beauty. As you know it is all about how you load bottom rack. Even the slightest soup plate will impede the top rack wash action.
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Post# 37021-3/29/2004-22:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 80's BD Westy Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: That poor washer should have been put down years ago! And the Pinto of dryers, don't ever put gas pressure on it. Krusher fodder these are...
I'm sure you'll be able to find the machine you're looking for, I've seen sets of similar vintage at estate sales & auctions that were in much nicer condition.
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Post# 37022-3/29/2004-22:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Guess what I just found today?!?!?!?!!! (Dumpster Divin')
MESSAGE: Do you have pictures?? Of the appliances of course, and of you in the dumpster taking apart that Flair! The dumpsters with the open end are the easiest - that's how I got my Kitchen Aid dryer window-door...;-)
Congrats Mark - do you know what mechanism is in the Frigidaire washer? What are the racks like in the dishwasher?
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Post# 37023-3/29/2004-22:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: You keep finding treasures too, I need to put my house on the market and move to a more "active" vintage appliance area!
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Post# 37024-3/29/2004-23:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore agitator styles
MESSAGE: I saw an Avacodo machine in the graveyard of the swap shop out here-Machine was in the "dead" graveyard pile.It had a Roto-Swirl Agitator.That was the one I was trying to take out.Sometime and somewhere I need to get an Agitamer.Too bad the machine couldn't be fixed. The same swap shop has a Washer that has a digital control panel like the dryer in the link on another entry.I can't remember if the cabinet color was the same.also the Dead washer had the dispenser.Was on the top right of the cabinet.
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Post# 37025-3/30/2004-05:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (It is a 1958)
MESSAGE: - - - thnx chris
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Post# 37026-3/30/2004-08:38 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: The Kitchenaid fairies have looked favorably upon me! What a relief, I had that extra 3 inches of space in the basement with nothing to put there.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/album?.dir=/a574&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sudssaver/my_photos
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Post# 37027-3/30/2004-09:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: Jason and I found one of these behind Abbey's this weekend. If the guy working wasn't just a dink, we would have probably taken it.
-ph
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Post# 37028-3/30/2004-09:42 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: ooooohhhhh, aaaahhhhh, very nice, early 80's ??? surprised to still see the fluorescent lighted controls/console, but Kitchen Aid was WP's top of the line.
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Post# 37029-3/30/2004-10:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Guess what I just found today?!?!?!?!!! (Dumpster Divin')
MESSAGE: Unfortunately the dumpster was a closed one....and I guess had some fiber glass in it from it's previous user so as soon as I got home I had to shower to get that stuff off me! From now on I'm going to keep me an old raincoat for dumpster diving! If any of you want photos just email me and I'll send them to you. I think the Frigidaire DW is a D&M model that was made for GM Frigidaire. Not sure about the washer as I allready have taken it to storage....should have looked first! Mark
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Post# 37030-3/30/2004-11:25 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
Off topic but........
MESSAGE: You guys have been a great wealth of knowledge of several types of items, not just washers/dryers. I am in need of some help!!
I bought a vintage game and can't get it to work. It is new old stock so it should be fine. It only takes 1 D battery, has 2 wires to a small motor that does nothing but vibrate. I have tried several batteries but nothing. I am assuming that there is a problem with the motor.
What type of business would I contact to see about this? Small motor repair, electronics repair, WHAT????? I know that most of you out there are electronically inclined. :-)
The motor is about 1/2 the size of a C battery-very small. It is in a hard case so I don't know what it looks like inside.
Thanks for your help. I really want to share my favorite childhood game with my kids!
Heather
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Post# 37031-3/30/2004-12:24 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: Very Pretty!
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Post# 37032-3/30/2004-13:57 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: If I am not mistaken, these are the first models KA introduced when they added laundry to their line. There were only two matched sets initially -- the top-of-line fully electronic pair, and a pair with mechanical (rapid-advance) timers but pushbutton controls (no knobs or dials) and an LED cycle sequence display. Both had fluorescent lighted consoles.
A "budget" rotary dial model was added soon after.
The pushbutton set is what I had in mind when I bought my KAs (760 series) in 1991, but they may have already been dropped from the line by that time. I've never seen the full model line-up from that year to confirm what was the TOL.
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Post# 37033-3/30/2004-17:45 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: ooooooooohhhhhhhh! I bought this set when it first came out(in the late 80's I think it was) and absolutely hated them. The max wash time was only 8 minutes and that wasn't enough wash time to get out collar soil from my greasy little neck! The dryer would dry a full load of towels perfectly dry, excepting one that would ALWAYS remain wet! I bitched so much to the dealer that he traded them out for the electronic models and I hated those just much even though they DID give me a free KitchenAid stand mixer. Mark
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Post# 37034-3/30/2004-17:51 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: ...and YES those were the TOL models. As I recall they both were introduced at the same time and I want to say like maybe 1987 or 88. After I exchanged the electromechanical model with the electronic machines the washer was just one problem after another. You would push a cycle selection pad and it would immediately blow a fuse. I remember the serviceman on the phone with Whirlpool/KitchenAid for about two hours one day trying to figure out what the problem was. They replaced the control board, motor, water solenoids, finally the wiring harness and control board again and it still wouldn't work. I replaced them with Maytags that Mom and Dad are still using in the cabin in Virginia.
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Post# 37035-3/30/2004-18:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: Were the KitchenAid models always DD?
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Post# 37036-3/30/2004-18:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Off topic but........
MESSAGE: Could sound like whatever the motor is supposed to turn is jammed.Try checking whatever the motor is supposed to turn.If it should need a motor-try Radio shack.They often have minature battery powered motors. Hobby shops that sell model railroad supplies are another place to try for minature motors.
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Post# 37037-3/30/2004-20:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
OK Boyz, Have At It...
MESSAGE: This beautiful turquoise '67 Lady Kenmore set is for sale by owner in the Palm Springs, California area. If interested please contact Linda at lindabecky@prodigy.net.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/LadyKenmore.jpg
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Post# 37038-3/30/2004-21:33 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It...
MESSAGE: And golly gee! Look at that late 60s house! That whole setting screams the 60s! That W/D belongs right there where it belongs! That's a step right back into time. I wonder if they still have the TV from 1967.
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Post# 37039-3/30/2004-21:43 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: Yes, KitchenAid washers started off as direct drives.
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Post# 37040-3/30/2004-22:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: Yay- these are too cool Don, thanks for the pictures!
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Post# 37041-3/30/2004-22:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: I don't think the R/A timer models were around very long, I have a brochure with these same panel designs, several different models including the knob only and the electronic controls, but the all button, rapid advance models are not offered. '89 I think...
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Post# 37042-3/30/2004-22:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It...
MESSAGE: With the Sears Best stickers still on them! These are remarkably well kept, I'll bet they'll make a deal on the wallpaper and the floor too!
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Post# 37043-3/30/2004-22:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer (Step Up Features Galore!)
MESSAGE: The mechanism is a direct-drive WP, but the heavy porcelained top and lid, galvanized cabinet (no rust), sound insulation, nichrome element in the electric dryers, etc. made them quite a step up from the standard "sunday ad" Kenmore or Whirlpool set.
A little later on, KA offered a slower-stroke agitation and larger agitator than the WP/KM machines, made them a little more gentle and "sloshy."
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Post# 37044-3/30/2004-22:21 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (You Get More with a Kenmore)
MESSAGE: Need I Say More! Does anyone know what is on each push button option?
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Post# 37045-3/30/2004-22:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It...
MESSAGE: Both the washer dryer set and room they are in are so cool!!Yes they should stay where they are.Too far for me.I like the Chrome on the machines.-Its in excellent condition.The machines look as though they were hardly used.It would be neat to have the 1967 TV-matches the first tx I worked on-An RCA hi-band TV transmitter whose cabinet color was almost the same as the WD pair.60's last of the Chrome-glass era.
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Post# 37046-3/30/2004-22:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer (Step Up Features Galore!)
MESSAGE: I did see on "Epinions" users of KA washers complained the hi-speed agitation damaged their clothes.
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Post# 37047-3/30/2004-22:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer
MESSAGE: I think KA should have stuck to making mixers and similar machines.They should forget laundry equipment.
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Post# 37048-3/30/2004-22:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer (Step Up Features Galore!)
MESSAGE: Don't all electric dryers have heating elements wound with nichrome wire?Very large resistors used in transmitters and large motor starters have them too-large straps of nichrome.
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Post# 37049-3/30/2004-22:56 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchenaid washers/dryer (Step Up Features Galore!)
MESSAGE: The original offerings had two speed motors, of course. Later models went to the three speed motors, which along with the slower stroke and larger agitator, made for gentler action as well, compared to WP/KM. My 760-series, dubbed "Superba" but with dial controls, is (I say _is_ because they're still running at my grandmother's house) the three-speed design. My parents have a slightly newer 670-series, which is not labeled "Superba" but does have three speeds.
I never had any trouble with clothing damage.
Does anybody know if the 'stepped-spin' was first introduced under the KA label?
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Post# 37050-3/31/2004-00:07 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
GE WALL REFIG - YELLOW
MESSAGE: Hi,
This is on ebay for any Chicago area collectors. Happy Bidding!
MK in LBC
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3806726007&category=20713
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Post# 37051-3/31/2004-07:56 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
OK Boyz,Have at it
MESSAGE: Does any of the Kenmore afficianado's know which agitator they were using in their top of the line machines for 67?
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Post# 37052-3/31/2004-08:18 ||| radiobill1966 (Indianapolis, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: Off topic but........
MESSAGE: Just curious--what game is it?
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Post# 37053-3/31/2004-08:33 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it
MESSAGE: I think they were using the gold colored roto swirl with the scrub-top cap.
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Post# 37054-3/31/2004-08:36 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it
MESSAGE: Come to think of it, I believe it was the gold-colored, scrub-cap "spankalator" which had the six straight fins at the very base of the agitator.
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Post# 37055-3/31/2004-09:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it
MESSAGE: If it has 6 fins at the bottom, then it is the Roto-Flex agitator. It was popular in the mid-late 60's.
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Post# 37056-3/31/2004-09:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It...
MESSAGE: Did she send you any pics of the agitator?
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Post# 37057-3/31/2004-10:18 ||| sikiguya (Yorkville, IL)
SUBJECT:
RE: Off topic but........ (Worm Wrestle)
MESSAGE: It's called Worm Wrestle. A very simple game but funny to kids. The worms are magents and you put them in a wresting ring. When you turn the motor on, it vibrates a rod that is a magnet too and it makes the worms go back and forth and they "wrestle". Worms fall out of the ring and there is betting that goes on with G. Washington Worm money. Silly I know but I loved the game when I was little. I think it came out in 1976. I got this for my 4th Birthday. My daughter's 4th birthday is in less then 2 weeks and I really wanted this to work!!!!!! Sob sob.
Here is a link to the auction that I won.
Heather
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3181718170&category=2530
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Post# 37058-3/31/2004-12:16 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (To Unimatic........ About the 1966-67 Lady Kenmore Set))
MESSAGE: Hey Unimatic (Robert):
How are you doing today???? Did you get a buyer for that Philco yet???
And I gotta LOVE THAT 1966-67 Lady Kenmore set. Had I gotten a house with a basement like the one that you have, I would be making a special trip out to Palm Springs, California just to meet with Linda about the set. And I would be making shipping arrangement thereafter. That's MY dream set right there. And to get them in Turquoise (!!!!!), that's got to be the sweetest feeling in the world.
Someone on here has got to get that set.
Know anyone whose going to get first crack at them???
--Charles--
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Post# 37059-3/31/2004-12:23 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (You Get More with a Kenmore........... "
Todde"
)
MESSAGE: Hey Todde....... Nice to meet you.
Mind if I get first crack at this one???
First Row -- Pre Wash (I think), White Cotton, White Permanent Press, Special Care, Knit, Cold Water Wash, 2nd Rinse
Second Row -- Pre Soak (I think), Colored Cotton, Colored Permanent Press, Delicate, Cold Water Rinse, Spin Only, Selective Dialing
I don't know if I am absolutely correct on what is said on those push buttons, I should have some general idea.
I'll check my 1966 and 1967 Sears Catalogs when I get home.
--Charles--
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Post# 37060-3/31/2004-12:25 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (To "
Agiflow-Action"
......)
MESSAGE: The 1966-67 Lady Kenmore washer utilized a "Roto-Flex" agitator combined with a 3 speed motor.
--Charles--
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Post# 37061-3/31/2004-12:52 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (You Get More with a Kenmore........... )
MESSAGE: I remember this washer well; neighbor across the street had one.
3 speed LK with gold roto-flex agitator to "rout out dirt and stains". Buttons were for; prewash cotton linens white & color (2 buttons) cotton & linens white & color(2) prem press wash 'n'wear white & color (2) ;delicate/ lingerie; washable woolens (ex slow wash speed); cold wash;spin only;heavy duty;custom care;optional second rinse;selective dialing. Reading buttons up & down then across. Very quiet washer with "quiet pak" construction. Detergent disp flushed wash water through for 1st 2 or 4 min of agitation. Timed bleach & fabric softener disp. The neat thing about optional second rinse is that it would delay the softener dispenser if second rinse was pressed. Heavy Duty button kept normal wash speed throughout 14 min wash time. If you didn't press heavy duty then from 6min to 2 min increment dropped down to slow agitation, then back up to fast agitation for final 2 min of wash time. Stunning washer in any color. Neighbor's was shaded coppertone. Sorry to ramble!
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Post# 37062-3/31/2004-13:24 ||| keymatic (Surrey.U.K)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Laundry Stork deliveredTwins, and they're Avocodo!
MESSAGE: Hi Don...
What a great find, the Penncrest twin tub looks great. Here in the UK we had twin tubs for many years, and the progression to automatic's was slow over many years. I am a member of the Twin Tub Emporium on the Yahoo club, and have collected vintage washers for many years. I have about 12 or twin tubs, and many wringer washers.
What I am looking for is any pic's of any early twin tubs from the far east, like Japan etc...
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Post# 37063-3/31/2004-14:40 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (To )
MESSAGE: Thank you Charles for the reply.I do have one other question.Was Kenmore still making their TOL washers in all porcelain in 67?Do yo know what year they stopped making all porcelain washers?
Thank you again
Pat
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Post# 37064-3/31/2004-14:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (To Unimatic........ About the 1966-67 Lady Kenmore Set))
MESSAGE: Hi Charles, my extra Philco washer is not for sale as of yet, I haven't decided exactly what I'm going to do yet. I'm might be persuaded to trade something for the washer, but it would have to be something pretty special and rare, I might sell it (doubtful at this time) or I might decided to keep it and break it down for spare parts to make sure that mine continues to operate for years to come. I will try and make a video of its wonderful turnover soon.
As for the Kenmore set, I agree, they are just gorgeous, but my tastes are for the early automatics, which I would rather save the space for.
I sure do hope they go to an Appliancevill'er who will treasure them for ever!
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Post# 37065-3/31/2004-14:53 ||| radiobill1966 (Indianapolis, IN)
SUBJECT:
RE: Off topic but........ (Worm Wrestle)
MESSAGE: I agree with the last reply. Any 1.5 volt motor should work, doesn't look critical. RadShack should have what you need.
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Post# 37066-3/31/2004-15:38 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (A Beauty!)
MESSAGE: Imagine doing laundry in these beautiful turquoise Ladies every week! Built like tanks, too. I wonder why Linda would want to sell such great machines, particularly when they match the house so perfectly.
LK trivia note: I read on a message board that Jayne Mansfield had a '65 LK set in pink. Imagine if a pink set turned up for sale!
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Post# 37067-3/31/2004-15:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1940s Bendix front load, attn: southerners!
MESSAGE: Is a club member bidding on this?
-ph
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Post# 37068-3/31/2004-16:30 ||| Maytag4me (Pa)
SUBJECT:
parts
MESSAGE: I have a new in orig wrapper; GE washer mini basket, anybody need one?
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Post# 37069-3/31/2004-16:32 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (To )
MESSAGE: "agiflow-action":
You're quite welcome........
And now, to answer your second question??? No.......... the last Lady Kenmore that was made in all porcelain was the 1960 model (which I also have a picture of......... I also have a 1960 Sears Catalog). They have done away with the all porcelain design in 1961 (which was when the first squared cabinet washers were produced).
--Charles--
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Post# 37070-3/31/2004-17:02 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1940s Bendix front load, attn: southerners! (st louis is gonna go for it )
MESSAGE: hey ph im gonna give it a shot and see if i win or not i have never seen one of these in person and i just love the way it looks its sort of like the westinghouse L5 laundromat i finally got i had never seen one untill i found one besides a guy can never have to many toys
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Post# 37071-3/31/2004-17:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (To )
MESSAGE: Whirlpool must have kept all-porcelain cabinets for a longer time. Our 1962 (LJA) Whirlpool was a lower-end model (3200), and was all-porcelain.
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Post# 37072-3/31/2004-17:22 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts
MESSAGE: Hi,
I have a GE Filter Flo V14 (circa 1964). I do need a mini basket. Do you know what models the one you have fits?
(BTW, I also have a 1993-94 TOL GE and that mini basket does NOT fit the V14. Jimmy aka Filter Flo told me there are several mini basket designs.)
Thanks,
Mike
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Post# 37073-3/31/2004-17:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (extra Philco)
MESSAGE: Although they aren't special and rare, I'll trade you one of my checks for it . . . if the machine is in working order and there's a way to get it to here from there.
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Post# 37074-3/31/2004-18:22 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (To )
MESSAGE: Thank you again Charles. I was at a food bank here in NJ a couple of weeks ago with a church member, and we were in this warehouse where i passed a utility room. There was a Kenmore washer from the late 60's I believe. The control panel was the type that had the controls arranged vertically with a little slide cover.
I snuck in to take a peek and it had the Gold Roto-Swirl agitator in it. I was gonna ask someone there if they were interested in selling it,but there was no one around.I assume this machine was still being used as i saw it next to a utility sink. Sorry to babble on and on but i had forgotten how solidly built these old KM machines were compared to the ones we have today.
Lord willing,I will go back and try and get this machine and put it in storage.I just hope it will still be there.
Thanks again Charles
Pat
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Post# 37075-3/31/2004-18:29 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (To (WP porcelain cabinets?))
MESSAGE: Hi Dadoes, I never knew WP also made machines with all porcelain cabinets.I don't recall hearing anything about them.Did they make these in the 50's or 60's? Very interesting.
Thanks Pat
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Post# 37076-3/31/2004-18:44 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Food bank washer)
MESSAGE: Perhaps you could offer to trade them a newer washer for their older one. They'd probably be happy to get a newer washer,and you'd be happy with the old one. Just a thought.....
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Post# 37077-3/31/2004-18:55 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Food bank washer)
MESSAGE: That's not a bad idea and it would be my first classic.I really want to learn how to work on these machines and this would be a great opportunity.
I have read in previous posts that a WP/KM washer are good machines to learn on.
Pat
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Post# 37078-3/31/2004-19:23 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
GE Question
MESSAGE: I've got an early 80's GE washer in the shop. The hub(tub support?) that the tub is bolted to went bad.It appears there is a seal on the end of the agitator shaft that has to come off,before this hub will.Is there a trick to removing that seal?
thanks
kenny
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Post# 37079-3/31/2004-19:33 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Question
MESSAGE: Hi Kenny,
I believe that hub is part of the transmission. I'm not sure if ge sells the hub seperately. I think it is bolted to the traany shaft and you could probably break it off, but I don't think you can find a replacement hub w/o buying the whole tranny.
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Post# 37080-3/31/2004-20:26 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Frig 1/18 sump
MESSAGE: Anyone have an extra one of these by chance ?? Its the sump for a '79 Frigidaire 1/18 washer, part # 0638886 --thanks :)
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/detail?.dir=/latest+finds+...&.dnm=d9f0.jpg
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Post# 37081-3/31/2004-22:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Question
MESSAGE: Try prying the top seal and support off or at least up a bit on the agitator shaft, then tapping it off with a mallet. This seal cannot be re-used again, but should still be available (part number WH8X291 & support WH1X1986) along with the drive hub that basket bolts to part # WH17X69. Check the drive tube seal under the basket hub, that may need replacement as well - #WH8X318.
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Post# 37082-3/31/2004-22:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig 1/18 sump
MESSAGE: Did you paint this gold?? If not, it must have been a Custom Imperial this came off of!
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Post# 37083-3/31/2004-22:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Porcelain cabinet...)
MESSAGE: In my '66 Spring and Summer, the Lady K is available in all porcelain...
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Post# 37084-3/31/2004-22:35 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Question
MESSAGE: To remove the top seal it's best to have a gear puller. But if you are careful, you can place a pair of pliers or an adjustable wrench under the metal sleeve (the rubber portion of the seal will come off of the sleeve) and tap it up and off. Make sure you don't scratch the transmission shaft. Getting to hub off is usually the tough part. If the transmission shaft has much rust or mineral build up on it, it will be lots of fun and you may come up with some new names for your washer. This is where a gear puller that can be fitted with some long threaded rods is very useful. Just try to make the shaft as smooth as possible and coat the shaft with oil so the hub will slide. Before going through all of this, you may want to find a hub if you don't already have one. They used to be a separate part but you may have a time finding one now. A popular hub # used to be WH17x69.
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Post# 37085-3/31/2004-22:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Trading...)
MESSAGE: You don't have one of these...I'll be there this weekend to pick it up, go rub some Jubilee on it now!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Yahoo!+Photo+Album&.dnm=Fabulous+400!!.jpg
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Post# 37086-3/31/2004-22:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Tempting)
MESSAGE: Ummm, tempting as that is Glenn, for now I stick to appliances. :)
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Post# 37087-3/31/2004-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Trading...)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, a Fab 400, are you picking one of those up too??? Inquiring minds must know.
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Post# 37088-4/0/2004-23:58 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Tempting)
MESSAGE: Ah, so. Well, that puts those of us who have no appliances to trade at a disadvantage. :-(
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Post# 37089-4/1/2004-00:07 ||| Jhoffa_ (Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Help Requested. Timer Motor for 1-18?
MESSAGE: Hello, I hope you are well.
I acquired a Frigidaire Model WCD3T Washer. I believe it's one of the 1-18 Washers. I got it today to wash my work uniforms and I like it allot. I can't believe how much better it's built than my other washer.
It works perfectly, with the exception of a missing filter (?) in the center of the agitator and the motor that runs the timer mechanism.
Are these parts available by chance?
I know I can buy a complete timer assembly, but I can't justify spending $120.00 on a timer when the one I have works fine (except for this drive motor issue) I hate to get rid of it the same day I got it, but I could get another used washer for that amount.
Is there perhaps another model of timer motor that would work and is more readily avalible? Any suggestions at all would be appreciated.
Thanks and regards..
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Post# 37090-4/1/2004-04:37 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Question
MESSAGE: Thanks,all,I'll give it a try this weekend.I've got a similar washer,with an oil seal in the transmission out.I was hoping I could remove the hub from this washer,to fix the first one,which had the hub so wallered out,the tub was rocking back and forth.This washer I got the matching dryer with,so I'd like to get it going,if possible.
kenny
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Post# 37091-4/1/2004-04:41 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help Requested. Timer Motor for 1-18?
MESSAGE: Let me check my backroom supply of used timers.I might have a Frigidaire timer back there.If so,it's yours.Might take me a couple of days to get over there and look.
IIRC,there was a center cap in the agitator,with a dispenser located under it.The filter was located at the rear top portion of the tub.
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Post# 37092-4/1/2004-05:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Green Acres
MESSAGE: Is that large pink appliance in the Douglas's kitchen one of the famous Maytag troublesome combo washer-dryers? I seem to remember them having a separate washer and dryer set. And that's a GE Mobile Maid dishwasher next to it? The fridge I don't recognize.
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Post# 37093-4/1/2004-05:38 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help Requested. Timer Motor for 1-18?
MESSAGE: I may have an extra filter and timer for you ........ I will check tonight when I get home from work ......... would help if you gave me the first digit of the serial number and would help even more if you could send me a pic of the console. Also, is the filter you need the "bed-of-nails" ? or "pan" because they both slide and/or fit in differently ..........
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Post# 37094-4/1/2004-05:40 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig 1/18 sump
MESSAGE: not me and not mine ........ just a pic as a reference
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Post# 37095-4/1/2004-05:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Trading...JUBILEE !!!)
MESSAGE: somebody awhile back posted a link to where you can still buy Jubilee wax, could that person post again please, ? I thought I had copied and saved the link and I can't seem to find it. --thanks .......
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Post# 37096-4/1/2004-07:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Trading...)
MESSAGE: No, No, No - I'm bringing you the Fab 400 and picking up the Philco!
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Post# 37097-4/1/2004-08:13 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig 1/18 sump
MESSAGE: hey Greg.....I think I have one of those bad-boys in my parts... I'll check for you tonight! SteveD
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Post# 37098-4/1/2004-08:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Trading...)
MESSAGE: Robert, how much do you think your Philco is worth? I'm guessing $1500.
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Post# 37099-4/1/2004-08:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts
MESSAGE: It depends on the agitator. GE made different mini-baskets for their agitator designs. The types of mini-baskets I know are:
1950's--Fit early straight-vane Activators
1960's--Fit early Spiral Activators
1970's--Fit later straight-vane Activators and in the late 70's, the later Spiral Activators
1980's & 1990's--Current Spiral Activators up until the 1995 demise of the BD design :(
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Post# 37100-4/1/2004-08:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (extra Philco)
MESSAGE: I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Philco washers are indeed special because of their unique agitator, and definitely rare.
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Post# 37101-4/1/2004-08:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Food bank washer)
MESSAGE: Definitely; just find a replacement. It wouldn't need to cost a fortune; a BOL Kenmore/Whirlpool/Roper would do. Or just make them an offer on it.
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Post# 37102-4/1/2004-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Trading...)
MESSAGE: No need for you to pick it up, I offer free delivery and recycling of your old washer!
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Post# 37103-4/1/2004-12:05 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (extra Philco)
MESSAGE: I *know* the Philcos are special and rare. I meant that my
check blanks, the only thing I have to trade, are not special and rare. I would have offered $1500 for it, but it seems a decision has been made.
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Post# 37104-4/1/2004-12:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
70's Kenmore on eBay
MESSAGE: Late 70's Kenmore 90 Series washer. This one has the 27" control panel (not the 24"), so I guess that makes it a Belt-Drive machine.
Btw, didn't Kenmore introduce the DD system on their BOL machines first?
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807453672
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Post# 37105-4/1/2004-12:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (extra Philco)
MESSAGE: Oops, I misunderstood that your blank checks aren't special and rare. My mistake
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Post# 37106-4/1/2004-14:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz, Have At It... (Trading...)
MESSAGE: Oops, sorry...I've already sent that stove to the "custom kitchen in the sky." I guess we're just going to have to forget it...
BTW guys, we're just joking around... I have a Philco washer in the garage that I brought back from the SD farm, it probably just needs a new cord and it will be fine! ;-)
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Post# 37107-4/1/2004-14:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts
MESSAGE: The straight vane activators of the 50's did not have mini baskets, those were solid tub machines and the design wouldn't allow for any "attachments" but the filter pan. The mini-basket didn't come out until the early 60's in the perforated basket machines.
GE washers are still belt-driven today, so are Elux/Frigidaire as well as the Maytag family. The top-loaders with a "direct-drive" mechanism are the Whirlpool family, Fisher Paykel and LG made models. The GE made washers are usually referred to as "new style" or plastic tub, etc. to differentiate them from the pre-1995 designs. Frigidaire has been the virtually the same for a number of years, making a spitting noise after saying the name usually suffices for them!
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Post# 37108-4/1/2004-14:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts
MESSAGE: So I'm wrong again. (LOL)
Interesting, because the early 60's GE Mini-Basket washer I saw in a POD 2 weeks ago looked like a 50's machine.
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Post# 37109-4/1/2004-16:03 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (everyone hates frigidaire!)
MESSAGE: How come everyone hates these machines so bad?Is it because everyone loved the old ones so much?I actually like to watch these indexing tub machines wash-always thought this design would be killer with a solid tub for the overflow wash and rinse-the water would fly up and out as the tub indexed!
Tom
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Post# 37110-4/1/2004-16:22 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Porcelain cabinet...)
MESSAGE: "gansky1":
You're the second one that has said that (about porcelain Ladys and Whirlpools being available beyond 1960). But right now, until I check my catalogs (and I have the 1960, 1961, 1963, 1965, 1966, 1967, S/S 1968, F/W 1968 and 1969 catalogs), I beg to differ. But perhaps you two maybe right. If you two (you and DADeOS) are correct, then I stand corrected.
I'll check my catalogs tonight.
--Charles--
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Post# 37111-4/1/2004-17:19 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Early GE MiniBasket)
MESSAGE: Here are some pics of the first MiniBasket that GE made, for perforated tub washers sometime in the early 60's. Gansky is right; mini baskes were never made for the solid tub machines, since they work on the overflow principle and are filled and recirculated by the FilterFlo spout. This early MiniBasket is very small, and was advertised as a small tub for hose and nylons and left over items from the big family wash. LBcarguy is searching for a mid-60's minibasket with the curved 3 vane 'Super V 14' black agitator. That mini basket will be aqua in color and have the curved roll over lip on the top of it. There are about 10 different styles of MiniBaskets to go with the different size tubs and agitators. Its sometimes baffling trying to match one to the other!
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/filterflo
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Post# 37112-4/1/2004-17:52 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig 1/18 sump (nevermind)
MESSAGE: thanks very much Steve, I found one tonight, actually found two in my buried stuff, I was surprised to find one nevermind two, but thanks again anyways :)
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Post# 37113-4/1/2004-17:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: oh thats interesting, so GE had straight vane, then spiral, back to straight vane and then spiral AGAIN ??? I personally thought the spiral offered better turnover
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Post# 37114-4/1/2004-17:54 ||| chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Kenmore on eBay
MESSAGE: "westytoploader":
And you would be correct. The model shown in question is a 1976-77 model. That's the #2 model for that year. And it is the model that is below the 1976-77 Lady Kenmore. And it is in fact, a belt-drive machine.
Yep......... that's right. Whirlpool's/Kenmore's first direct-drive machines were introduces on the bottom of the line models. And this has taken place about 1983-84. Finally, the first direct-drive Lady Kenmores and upper end models were finally introduced in fall of 1986.
--Charles--
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Post# 37115-4/1/2004-17:57 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (everyone hates frigidaire!)
MESSAGE: when Frigidaire went from GM to WCI; WCI should NOT have carried the name "Frigidaire" any more ............
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Post# 37116-4/1/2004-18:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: In the early 70's some GE machines had a blue, large-finned, 4-vane straight agitator.
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Post# 37117-4/1/2004-18:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I remember a GE washer that had the mini-basket in a house my mother lived in-she bought the home in around 1968 or was it 1969. The machine had a blue straight vane agitator with very large vanes.When it agitated-if you opened the lid-it could splash you.-Turnover-that water was practically boiling!!-also the agitation was long stroke and rapid like the WP surgilator.It also had a blue lint pan that fit over over agitator or rode on top of the mini-basket.The home came with the GE appliance package.-Was a Levitt home.The washer was better quality than the house-had to fix many things in it.
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Post# 37118-4/1/2004-18:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Kenmore on eBay
MESSAGE: This particular machine has a 2-sided bleach/fabric softener dispenser, but didn't the TOL LK models at the time have a recirculating lint filter and a detergent dispenser as well?
Also, when did they stop making the recirculating lint filter for the Kenmore & LK machines?
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Post# 37119-4/1/2004-18:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (everyone hates frigidaire!)
MESSAGE: I think they had a bad reputation for many repairs and breakdowns.Consumer Reports especially commented on this.I think they derived it from the data CU collects on their yearly consumer surveys.They send them to all subscribers. I have filled them in on occasion.
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Post# 37120-4/1/2004-18:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Kenmore on eBay
MESSAGE: I saw a 1982 24" Kenmore 60 series on eBay 3 weeks ago with a DD agitator. It had the same control panel from the 70's models, but I thought it was a BD model. Another member said that this was one of the first DD Kenmore machines.
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Post# 37121-4/1/2004-18:40 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Kenmore on eBay
MESSAGE: Recirculating lint filter on a Lady Kenmore in the 70s?? Doesn't seem likely.
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Post# 37122-4/1/2004-19:05 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Food bank washer)
MESSAGE: I would bet the machine was "donated" to them.do you have a machine you could "donate" in trade?
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Post# 37123-4/1/2004-19:33 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Food bank washer)
MESSAGE: Hello Rex,no I don't have a replacement machine to donate but that can always be arranged.
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Post# 37124-4/1/2004-20:24 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Several years ago, our neighbors had a late-60s filter-flo GE with a straight vane pale blue agitator. However, it had six vanes on the base, three of which rose to the top. The three low vanes inbetween the high vanes were about an inch taller than the base of the three high vanes...if that make sense.
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Post# 37125-4/1/2004-21:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it the agitator was like what you described.It just made me think of the Straight vs ramp.That I had used machines with each type.That straight one had more action.The ramp one was a bit gentler.Their ramp agitator makes me think of a KN Roto-Swirl.Both are more effective than the junk that GE builds now.I would like to have a 58 filter flo in blue or Turquose!That is a cool looking washer!
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Post# 37126-4/1/2004-21:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (Food bank washer)
MESSAGE: That makes me think of my vacuum cleaner collecting-I have a few machines that I could trade someone if they have a vac I would be interested in.The washer the food plac e sounds interesting to you but I wouldn't think they would care just so long they have washer.It is more difficult to keep "trade" washers on hand!!as opposed to vacuums.Hope you can find something you could trade them.
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Post# 37127-4/1/2004-21:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Didn't Hotpoint use the ramp bladed agitators as opposed to the straight blade ones?I thought the ramp ones were the ones that Hotpoint mostly used.
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Post# 37128-4/1/2004-22:40 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Early GE MiniBasket)
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy,
Thanks for the clarification. I discussed the mini basket with Mr. Maytag via email that he has for sale. His quick replies verified the minibasket is white. It will not work for my machine. I hope someone can give it a proper home.
MK in LBC
PS, see you soon for another SoCal mini wash-in / Lucy Fest
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Post# 37129-4/1/2004-23:16 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Kenmore on eBay (Width)
MESSAGE: You are correct in that it is a belt drive, but it is 29" wide. I may be wrong but the belt drive, with the wig-wag transmission, were made in 24" & 29" widths only. I think the compact portables were 24" too. Then the WP "World Washer"(made in Mexico belt drive) compact went to 22". There was also a 22" & 24" full heighth "World Washers"(I can't see them ever being called a classic no matter how old they are). The "Direct-Drive (Beltless) washers were made in 24" and 27". I'm not sure if there were any other widths over the years.
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Post# 37130-4/2/2004-10:55 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Makes sense to me. The description below exactly desribes the late '60's GE filter-flo washer with mini-basket my mom had, except the agitator was black.
It's interesting that in tracking this website for almost a year and a half now, I haven't seen a pic of a GE washer like my mom's yet. Maybe the year it was made was a year of transition? It had a lit control panel with the seven or so white fabric selection buttons on the left, the infinite water level crome knob in the middle with "mini-basket" and "reset", and a typical 70's looking GE timer on the right with that crome "thingy" which pulls out to start the washer (which you could spin)...if that makes sense. The recirculated water came out at the 2:00 position.
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Post# 37131-4/2/2004-11:58 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire
MESSAGE: My WCI-era Frigi washer was awful. I think the indexing tub hindered, not assisted, with clothes rollover. Washing performance was the worst of any washer I've owned. Within a year, the transmission had weakened to the point that the tub wouldn't start to spin until almost half the water had drained. The only cool thing was the surround-spray water fill.
My WCI-era front-loading Westinghouse was much better; in fact, I think it was the same basic design as machines from the 60's. Loud solenoid snap into spin. Liked the tub light. Didn't like not having a bleach or fab. sof. dispenser.
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Post# 37132-4/2/2004-13:12 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frig 1/18 sump (nevermind)
MESSAGE: And I had the gold-plated one, too.........
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Post# 37133-4/2/2004-13:14 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (giving the devil its due.....)
MESSAGE: I still have my 1992 Frigidaire and its been fine....changed the belt once, otherwise no major problems. Dont get me wrong, I still prefer a GM Frigidaire.......
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Post# 37134-4/2/2004-13:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Here it is, a genuine 1950's Frigidaire Unimatic Washer (WO-65 I think)! Left behind in a basement by the previous owner. I don't see any rust, but the tub is a little dirty and the detergent cap is missing. Still has the original cord and hose, as well as the original installation sticker by "Nickelman Appliance Service".
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3807757914&category=20714
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Post# 37135-4/2/2004-14:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire
MESSAGE: Doesn't an indexing tub eliminate the need for a spin brake?
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Post# 37136-4/2/2004-15:41 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Wowie!!! This is a 1954 model with an overflow rinse!!!! Why oh why is it all the way in Buffalo, NY???? Hey Jimmy Filter Flow....would you bring this out here with you??? ;-)
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Post# 37137-4/2/2004-15:43 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire
MESSAGE: well...actually, saying that the lack of a spin brake causes the indexing tub would be more accurate.
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Post# 37138-4/2/2004-16:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I don't recognize the currect bidder; doesn't sound like anybody here in Applianceville.
It looks like it could run with a little work (and don't forget a good cleaning).
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Post# 37139-4/2/2004-18:32 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
just picked up another whirlpool belt drive18.lbs
MESSAGE: this machine has the heavy-duty surgulator agitator,and the 18.lbs basket,got it off e-bay for 20.oo bucks,i`ve been looking for this machine for years,thank god for e-bay man!!
she should be home in a few day`s,can`t wait,but i was just curious about the spray rinses of whirlpool washers,i remember as a kid i thought that whirlpool had an extreamly lenthy spray around 10 to 12 or 15 second spray rinse,am i right or is it my imagination.mine you this was in the mid to late 70`s
even earlier in the 80`s,was only 10 or 11 yrs old.so the machines were probally 60`s machines,anybody recall this
and to anyone looking for washers,stay logged into e-bay and you too can score,i thought i would never find this machine,another one of the dream machines i`ve wanted,was going to buy the washer the our member has,but the shipping of the set would kill me,i`ve had 3 regular cap. whirlpool washers,and the supreme 80 has an 18 lbs. basket with a surgulator in it ,the cool thing is i put it on large and it fills to the hight of a 12lbs. machine,when on high,it fills to about half an inch from the cap,maybe a little less,but i love the old girl,she`s 37 yrs.and i`ve got her working judt like new again,just wish i had a camera so i could share my dream machines with everyone.
e-bay rules
rock
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Post# 37140-4/2/2004-18:45 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Hey Rich,
If I drive out to the west coast next January Id be glad to bring it to you. You really need this! BTW, dont forget about the MiniWash/LucyFest wash in at Mikes in LongBeach soon. Im flying out to LA this Tues 4/6. We can take a drive down Beverly Blvd in my new '66 Imperial.......You can pretend you are Mrs. Drysdale........
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Post# 37141-4/2/2004-19:08 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: It's me, I've been trying to find a unimatic for years but I don't think I can keep up to the price it will get to.
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Post# 37142-4/2/2004-19:10 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: just picked up another whirlpool belt drive18.lbs
MESSAGE: Whirlpool as well as Kenmore BD machines are on eBay all the time. I'm currently keeping an eye on a 1976 Kenmore BD 90 Series. You just have to watch. Usually I haven't been able to buy a BD Whirlpool because it's just not in Texas.
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Post# 37143-4/2/2004-19:14 ||| man316dara (vero beach ,florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: old supreme 80 whirlpool home(noisey though could it be bearings?)
MESSAGE: i`m goimg to do the bearings,but i don`t know whay to do to get the bearings out,can someone help and where do i get the tool to put the new bearings in or can i just strong arm them in?
rock
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Post# 37144-4/2/2004-19:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!! (1952-54 WO-65-2)
MESSAGE:
This washer probably needs a complete tear-down and overhaul, most unimatics do to run as "new" again. Someone should caution the seller to NOT run this machine, even to test the motor. It probably wouldn't make any difference in the long run, since this machine will more than likely require many hours of work anyway, just better to not cause any MORE damage...
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Post# 37145-4/2/2004-19:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Good for you Eddy - glad you are going for it! I'll keep all my fingers and toes crossed for you!
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Post# 37146-4/2/2004-19:27 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Keep in mind you not only have to deal with people trying to outbid you, but also with "evil ebayers" that spoil the fun by contacting the unsuspecting seller to inform them what something like this is really worth. Some idiot (not on Applianceville) did this with a Frigidaire WO-65 for sale on eBay a year ago, with a starting price of $1 and Buy-It-Now of $250! Within a day, the seller mysteriously pulled the auction. I wonder why...
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Post# 37147-4/2/2004-19:29 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!! (1952-54 WO-65-2)
MESSAGE: Luckily most people have enough knowledge and fear of electricity that they
won't try a washer out that has sat for 40+ years, but I've always wondered why someone won't plug an safe-looking vintage vacuum in...
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Post# 37148-4/2/2004-19:39 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Interesting...the more I see the discussions on this site, the more I see little details of the machines that carry through the years. I had a '94 GE Filter-Flo (I think the last year they were made) BOL which I really liked. If I understood your message correctly, my machine had a similar timer knob. You could spin it with your finger. However, once you pushed it in, it would become firm so that you could position it to the desired cycle. But once pulled out to start the wash, you could spin it again.
Also, in one of the links posted to this site, I saw a picture of the identical agitator I had in my '94 machine, in a GE machine that was almost 40 years old!!! The only difference is that the one in the link was black, and mine was white. The size and curvature of the ramps was the same, like it came from the same mold. With so many years having passed, it was kind of eerie!
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Post# 37149-4/2/2004-19:50 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I have a 1966 Filter-Flo that has the ramp Activator,and the control knob you describe also. I think if the appliance manufactures had a good solid design that held up and did the job well,they kept useing it.Some of the designs were 30+ years old,but were great! Not like today,where the most important thing is to cut costs,and be sure it doesn't last TOO long..... Just lift the lid on a new machine and feel how light it is,if it is even metal... And if they made the cabinet any thinner it wouldn't hold it's shape. And plastic Transmition cases,and gears? Oh boy!!
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Post# 37150-4/2/2004-19:57 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: A good example of this: the modern GE & Frigidaire washers! GE uses a plastic tub & plastic transmission gears, while Frigidaire uses a plastic indexing tub and the cheapest feeling agitator ever!
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Post# 37151-4/2/2004-20:01 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Also, my 70's Maytag Portable, which was literally the "poor man's Maytag", uses a thicker, denser, and
higher grade of plastic in its tub and lids than many of today's washers!
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Post# 37152-4/2/2004-21:00 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I noticed last year when i purchased the KM 90 series washer that the washers with a porcelain top and lid have heavier feeling lids than non porcelain models. It's a shame that WP/KM machines are getting very tinny lately too.I just hope they keep the steel washbaskets in their machines.
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Post# 37153-4/2/2004-21:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I was surprised when I opened up the lid to the Neptune TL and it was literally "bendable". It felt like it was going to break! I tried the Drying Center doors; same feeling of flimsiness.
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Post# 37154-4/2/2004-22:22 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Jr.
MESSAGE: I know I'm going to kick myself when I am told, but what is considered a "Kenmore Jr."? I've been working on appliances for a long time, but until I joined "Applianceville" I had never heard of a "Kenmore Jr.". Please enlighten me. Thanks, Glen.
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Post# 37155-4/2/2004-22:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Jr.
MESSAGE: A Kenmore Jr. is a cousin to the Little Whirlpool, an apartment-size washer with a bakelite agitator and a hand-cranked wringer. My Kenmore Jr. is undergoing some work, but whe it's finished I will post pics.
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Post# 37156-4/3/2004-05:50 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Jr.
MESSAGE: What is the smaller Kenmore washer called? The ones identical to the full size belt drives,but on a smaller scale? I think in a 24"-27" cabinet? I thought they were the Jr.s....
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Post# 37157-4/3/2004-05:52 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Parting a Laundry center
MESSAGE: I'm going to be parting a GE laundry center.It's a WCI built machine. Anyone need anything before it goes?
I would have fixed it,but I can't justify putting $150-$200.00 into it,to fix the center leak.
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Post# 37158-4/3/2004-08:34 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!! (1952-54 WO-65-2)
MESSAGE: greg, why do you think it will need a complete overhaul ?? I mean I can understand to some point why you would say that because of the age and sitting for so long, but the one I picked up over the winter had sat in the basement for at least 40+ years and had not been run. Someone pushed and/or pulled the agitator column as to break it right off; can't figure what they were trying to do. God bless Robert for finding me another one. All I had to do was replace the timer and pour some warm water down the drain as to lubricate the pump and seal. Ironically the machine ran perfectly and purred like a kitten. Its aesthetic appearance was spotless and mint in and out which was encouraging to me that it had very little use. What kind of damage or "making it worse" do you think would occur?? Do you think I just "lucked out" with mine running smoothly?? or do you think mine is running smoothly with some pending problem ready to present itself whereas the machine had not been run for so long ?? I literally just picked up another unimatic yesterday that I am going to tear down for parts because it is in horrendous condition .......... the '48 Norge front-load, early 50's Maytag AMP, '55 Kenmore, all gone, I was hoping to try and save them too but I did not put a "claim" on them, but for the unimatic, so they are all gone. They were in really bad shape anyways, that gives some consolation.
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Post# 37159-4/3/2004-08:36 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
short vs long tranny stroke
MESSAGE: didn't the GE filter flows always have a shorter/faster tranny stroke in comparison to the older Maytags and Whirlpools. Which vintage machine had the longest stroke ? Norge ?
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Post# 37160-4/3/2004-09:16 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: short vs long tranny stroke (GE)
MESSAGE: When GE went from solid to perforated tub, the "new" design stroked at about 100 spm with about a 150-160 degree arc.
-ph
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Post# 37161-4/3/2004-10:22 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
Whirlpool Date help plz
MESSAGE: If a WP washer has the model # LXA6405WO ........... does this mean its a '64 ?? boy oh boy, I sure do come across alot of old WP and Knmrs .............
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Post# 37162-4/3/2004-10:26 ||| Jhoffa_ (Indiana)
SUBJECT:
FRIGIDAIRE 1-18 PARTS - FREE TO YOU, JUST PAY SHIPPING
MESSAGE: Hello again..
As a follow up to my previous post: Help Requested. Timer Motor for 1-18?
Found HERE: http://www.classicappliances.com/NEW%20DISCUSS/DISCUSSION%20POSTS/37089.html
As I said, I just bought my 1-18 to wash uniforms and have recently aquired another washer to perform this task.
It seems like a waste to trash it, especially after I see so many dedicated fans here.
I would be happy to take it apart and give it away (although I would prefer to get rid of the entire washer) if you'll either come and pick it up or pay shipping & handling charges. ("Handling charges" = the cost of boxes and tape. No gouging.)
As I said before, the timer motor (but not the timer itself) seems to be bad, but it's "As Is" I have never used it myself due to the timer being shot.
Thanks especially to: gregm & Goatfarmer for their offers of assistance. It's much appreicated.
Shipping will be Standard USPS Parcel Post (Priority Mail if you pay the difference) from zip code 47032
Pick up will be in Moores Hill Indiana, again zip code 47032 (It's in the Lawrenceburg, Milan, Batesville, Versailles area for anyone familiar with Indiana)
It's about a 74 vintage, I believe (the copyright on the diagram) and appears to be very rust free.
I reserve the right to give first option to people who will take the whole thing, or the two mentioned above who offered to help me.
If you're interested or have questions, contact: llingle@seidata.com
Thanks again and regards, Logan M Lingle
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Post# 37163-4/3/2004-10:53 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1940s Bendix front load, attn: southerners! (st louis has it)
MESSAGE: yeah i guess im now the owner of a 40s bendix front loader i sure hope all the inner workings are still there should be a fun project take care all and happy hunting
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Post# 37164-4/3/2004-11:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE 1-18 PARTS - FREE TO YOU, JUST PAY SHIPPING
MESSAGE: If it's just the timer motor, parting it out wouldn't really be a good idea since it's a perfectly useful washer. The best bet would be to sell it in one piece to someone who can fix it.
--Austin
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Post# 37165-4/3/2004-13:57 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Date help plz
MESSAGE: To find out when a Whirlpool washer was made, the best thing to have is the serial #. If you can post it, we can probably tell you the week of the year that the washer was made.
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Post# 37166-4/3/2004-14:04 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Date help plz
MESSAGE: My film card for that model has a date of 4-71 but the serial # will be more exact. Glen.
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Post# 37167-4/3/2004-14:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: Hmmm..... I suppose being Mrs Drysdale would be better than being Miss Jane Hathaway......
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Post# 37168-4/3/2004-14:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: short vs long tranny stroke
MESSAGE: Hmm, Greg - My guess on the vintage machine with the longest stroke would be the Norge with Speed Queen next, then probably Maytag. Of course I could be wrong.....
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Post# 37169-4/3/2004-15:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Date help plz
MESSAGE: I may be wrong . . .
Whirlpool of that vintage used the second letter in the model number to designate the 'year' revision (the serial number is more accurate for pinpointing the manufacture date, of course).
Generally,
L = Laundry
X = year
A = full-size automatic washer
6405 = feature set (the "5" may possibly designate a suds saver model)
W = color
0 = engineering revision
I believe X would be 1971 or 1972. My grandmother had a LXE-something dryer that was bought in 1972.
Our LJA3200W0 washer was a 1962 model.
Our LME4600 dryer was a 1964 model.
Our LDA7800W2 washer and LDE7800Y1 dryer were 1976 models.
In the next line revision after LDA, LFA9800 was the first electronic model.
Not all letters were used for the year position. I used to know the year sequence from J through H.
I think the last series using that pattern was LHA, which was in the early 1980s, possibly 1980-81. "I" was not used as a year. J would be next after H, which would be a repeat (about a 20 year cycle), so the model number syntax was changed at that point.
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Post# 37170-4/3/2004-15:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Jr.
MESSAGE: They were the Portable models, basically full-size washers on wheels. Intended for apartments or for anyplace where you couldn't use a full-size washer, since they also hooked up to a sink with a special adapter.
My Kenmore Jr. is model # 110.73920 and was made in the 50's.
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Post# 37171-4/3/2004-16:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: short vs long tranny stroke
MESSAGE: To see the agitator strokes, try the museum videos of Robert's Norge Time-Line & GE Filter-Flo washers.
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Post# 37172-4/3/2004-16:49 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: The porcelain-steel wash baskets are the main reason I still respect Whirlpool. I don't know about the DD transmissions (having never used one myself, I can't say how the agitation measures up), but the machines seem fairly solid, at least compared to most of the other trash clogging the stores. Maybe there are a few good washers left (Maytag Dependable Care, Koblenz UltraClean) but try finding them! If I'm ever in need of a washer, I'll be hitting the used appliance stores for a nice FilterFlo or 1-18.
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Post# 37173-4/3/2004-16:53 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (giving the devil its due.....)
MESSAGE: A 1992 model would have been made by Electrolux. Does it have a back-opening or side-opening lid? Plastic or metal wash basket?
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Post# 37174-4/3/2004-16:59 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Jr.
MESSAGE: I was trying to take a look at your Kenmore Jr. but I can't find it in my Sears film cards-are there anymore #'s? Model or Serial? Thanks, Glen.
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Post# 37175-4/3/2004-17:06 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: Do you know the years your WCI washers were made? I think the last time I saw a White-Westy front loader was in the very early '90s.
One of the more baffling practices of WCI was the way they badged their appliances. For example, there was a Westinghouse-style front-loader on eBay a few months back, but the label was "Tappan." They gave the washers the name of a gas stove manufacturer that had no recognition in the laundry market! Their use of the Frigidaire name on the washers was understandable (if less than ethical), given its reputation from the GM days--but Tappan?
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Post# 37176-4/3/2004-18:31 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders(tappan))
MESSAGE: I "think" you could get the Tappan name on the whole line.I've seen Tappan washers and dryers come through the shop before,along with Tappan refrigerators.Almost identical to their WCI counterparts.It has been quite a while since I've seen Tappan laundry,though....
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Post# 37177-4/3/2004-19:18 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders(tappan))
MESSAGE: A friend of mine had a Tappan top loader. When they got it, my reaction was "I never knew they made washers. I just thought that they made stoves." I had no idea that the Tappan name had been sold to WCI. My friend's Tappan washer was of VERY poor quality. It lasted approximately 3 years.
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Post# 37178-4/3/2004-19:34 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Speed Queens on eBay
MESSAGE: Attention SQ fans! There's something of a Speed Queen bonanza on eBay right now. I don't know how to do links (I'm dense--sorry), but if you search the site you'll find a circa '80 set (the first with the back-opening lid). There's also an SQ Marathon washer from a few years later, and even some almost new, non-vended Queens (3-4 years old). Maybe someone could start a "Through the Years with Speed Queen" appliance museum.
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Post# 37179-4/3/2004-21:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Whirlpool/Kenmore machines certainly aren't the best for entertainment, unless it's without the dreaded dual-action agitator.
DD machines have a shorter and faster stroke than BD machines, which is why I hate them. If our DD machine goes bad, it will be a new Speed Queen (NOT Amana) replacing it.
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Post# 37180-4/3/2004-21:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: WCI also made machines under the Montgomery Ward name in the 80's. A Montgomery Ward machine I saw on eBay recently had an identical interior and agitator as a Frigidaire machine made around the same time. The Frigidaire machine had the 1-18 look-alike control panel.
A note on the WCI Front-Loaders of the 80's: I've seen them under at least 4 different names: Frigidaire, Gibson, Tappan, and
White-Westinghouse.
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Post# 37181-4/3/2004-23:08 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire
MESSAGE: So loved the worst washer and stacked on top gas dryer I ever had. (WCI-W. Westy front-loader circa 88/89, no dispensers). Smuggled into my Manhattan pre-war 20th floor apt. Such a “lurury” when it worked.
First year. Washer: replaced 2 transmissions. Gas Dryer: door switch failed causing 2 motors to burn out. Control dial extremely difficult to turn. First and only time purchased “extended warranty” contract. Glad I did.
Repairman’s perpetual visits. Building doormen thought he was a resident!
Relentless arm twisting SKIRMISH (telephone, voice mail, e-mail and written correspondence) with WCI. At long last I got a check for $500. Moved and bought Frig. Gallery front-loader w. SS tub and stack on top electric dryer. WCI W. Westy machines had been discontinued. Go figure? Used Gallery machines for 14 months (moved again) w. no problems. Same time as “HE” detergents became available. Recall real work horses. Very quite. Washer had vague control dial. Required studying vague manual and numerous operations to determine just where to set dial for 20, 15, 10 min. wash. The dispenser drawer was a terrific convenience.
Understand that same machines sold with GE and other brand labels too. Don’t need to. But would buy Gallery machines again.
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Post# 37182-4/4/2004-00:11 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: Hi All in Applianceville,
A big weekend here for me. Got up at dawn today to move cars around so I could take my biggest wagon (1967 Country Squire) to Palm Springs and buy/pick-up the Lady Kenmore matched set posted last weekend.
I know some of you here were interested. The seller first tried to have us bid via email (not ebay). She then changed her mind late in the week and emailed everyone that who ever could work out a deal first, cash in-hand would get them. I am just lucky to have had the free time and being only a couple hours away, could get out there to complete the deal.
Details: They are in very nice condition. B+ to A-. The dryer is gas and works fine. The washer has a problem. The agitator just spins/free wheels. It is not connected to the transmission to agitate. Amazingly, she was still using it to wash clothes that way. Not sure how effective that would be.
Filter Flo is coming out next week so he is going to educate me on how these work and diagnose what the problem is (he narrowed it down via phone to a couple of possibilities). I have plenty of time to work on it, and clean them up. As mentioned in previous posts, my garage/laundry area is being torn down and rebuilt. I will have a dedicated laundry and game room, with water/electrical/gas for 3 sets of machines. It will be very cool. Ground breaking should start by the end of this month.
I have included a link with pictures of the adventure. These machines were in the same house since new. They were her mothers. They had a service contract on them until 1995 and I have about 10 receipts. There were a couple of timer replacements and a balance relay change out. The dryer only had one call, for a bad vent tube, which was replaced.
Thanks to Unimatic for posting "sale items" for us site visitors. It is the best way for us to find/save these machines from the junkyard. Thanks to my partner, Nam Ly for getting up so early, loading, unloading and assisting in creating the web page of the day's treasure hunt.
Thanks to Filter Flo (Jimmy) with advice and details on the machine features, along with his future assistance in getting the washer repaired.
Happy hunting.
MK in LBC
LINK: http://webpages.charter.net/mklyde/kenmore/page1.html
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Post# 37183-4/4/2004-00:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: Your "Next" and "Previous" page links have a glitch in them.
The contraption beside the dryer's lint filter is an air freshener dispenser. A small bottle of liquid freshener is attached. I've never gotten a smell of it, but those who have say it tends to reek horribly when it gets old.
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Post# 37184-4/4/2004-00:50 ||| Lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: Hi,
The links are working on my end. If you can be more specific, on what is happening I will look further.
MK
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Post# 37185-4/4/2004-02:03 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: Link is working fine and the view of those turqoise Kemnore are so dreamy!
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Post# 37186-4/4/2004-02:13 ||| dadoes (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: Ahhh. Figured it out. It's just my browser. I'm using Mozilla Firebird and it doesn't like the way your links are coded.
The "Next" links are coded as
.\page2.html
or whatever page number,
which Firebird interprets as
http://webpages.charter.net/mklyde/kenmore/.\page2.html
Internet Explorer sees it properly as
http://webpages.charter.net/mklyde/kenmore/page2.html
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Post# 37187-4/4/2004-02:15 ||| Lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: Hi,
Thanks.
MK
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Post# 37188-4/4/2004-02:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: Coooool set, coooool car!! Hope to see pictures of the laundry area when it's ready.
Louis
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Post# 37189-4/4/2004-03:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (finding correct dates)
MESSAGE: The date might also be on the wiring diagram on the machine
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Post# 37190-4/4/2004-03:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dishwasher found (dishwasher parts pictures on Sears.com)
MESSAGE: The parts pictures are Java applets, so that must enabled your computer. They're there, I've seen them. In fact there are two version, Java and non-Java, one let's you zoom in and do other fancy stuff
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Post# 37191-4/4/2004-04:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: OK Boyz,Have at it (all porcelain)
MESSAGE: So what parts have to be porcelain in order for the washer to be considered as "all-porcelain"? My '78 LK has a porcelain inner and outer tub and lid that are porcelain. I know the the tub ring (the part with the water inlet and snubber on it)used to be porcelain, too
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Post# 37192-4/4/2004-05:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: short vs long tranny stroke (long stroke)
MESSAGE: When I worked at Montgomery Wards in the 70's, I remeber the that Wards bragged about how their stroke was longer than other manufacturer's washers.
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Post# 37193-4/4/2004-05:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (Tappan)
MESSAGE: Actually, Great Uncle had a Tappan dishwasher in their house in the 60's. A friend also had one in his 60's era apartment, the version with the spring-loaded reversing spray arm,(as well as a Tappan dual oven upright electric range) so the name wasn't just associated with ranges even before WCI.
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Post# 37194-4/4/2004-05:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: I think I've seen them under the Kenmore name, too, back inthe 80's
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Post# 37195-4/4/2004-05:57 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores
MESSAGE: Hey Mike, your new set looks fabulous. Now you know what station wagons are really for: Moving Washing Machines!! Thats one of the best agitator designs that Kenmore ever made. I know the name of it, but since Im the one that told you what its called, I'll step aside and see if others know what its name is.......Eager to see them in person, and help you fix the non-agitation glitch. Im sure its going to be an easy fix....PS Do the lights still work on the consoles?
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Post# 37196-4/4/2004-06:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach (LK non-agitation)
MESSAGE: I know those machines forwars and backward, having torn down '78 set at least 3 times.
Let me guess, no agitation?
bad agitate solenoid (rare),or broken wire to solenoid (more common, since the solenoid is mounted on the moving wig wag, so the wires flex)
bad water level switch
bad contacts in timer
broken wires between any of these components.
I have the belt drive repair manual, glad to scan anything needed.
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Post# 37197-4/4/2004-06:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores (washers in station wagon)
MESSAGE: Since they had to lie on their sides, hopefully no oil came out of the gearcase on the washer (there's a vent hole on toop of the gearcase that can leak oil if laid on it's side)
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Post# 37198-4/4/2004-06:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Mike's LK's
MESSAGE: So are those the remains of the "Sears Best" sticker on the front of the machines?
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Post# 37199-4/4/2004-07:24 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire,Gibson,Tappan,White Westinghouse,and also Kelvinator. I junked a Kelvi front loader about 8 months ago.
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Post# 37200-4/4/2004-08:34 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: I recall that air freshener very well. That was our first dryer purchased in 1968 at the Sears scratch & dent appliance outlet in West Haven CT. The parents also bought a washer - but unfortunately it was a middle of the line - I think a 600. Kind of boring actually - I of course was hoping for a matching LK washer in a nice avocado - but no dice.
Anyway - the air freshener really did not do much of anything. It kind of smelled like old bubble gum - very sweet and not much else.......
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Post# 37201-4/4/2004-08:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Date help plz
MESSAGE: thanks guys, what should I look for on the serial ?? the first and last numbers or in what order, I will try and get them ......
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Post# 37202-4/4/2004-09:05 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach
MESSAGE: great pics, congrads :), i believe the agitator is a super-roto-swirl
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Post# 37203-4/4/2004-09:06 ||| Laundrydudedrew (Kentucky)
SUBJECT:
Westinghouse Photo's
MESSAGE: Perhaps a very odd question to most, I think you guys might be the only ones who can help me.
I'm looking for pictures or websites all about Westinghouse Front loaders. Directly, the ones that were around in the 80's-the end of their production. They made a fl with rear controls that I've searched for years for, and have resorted to just having a photo of the lovely beast. Also if you have anything on the front control stack units, that would be appreciated.
If it's easier to e-mail your response, I'm availble at npbeatsmd@msn.com. Otherwise, I'll keep checking in here.
Thanks in advance!
D
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Post# 37204-4/4/2004-11:05 ||| Lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores
MESSAGE: Hi Jimmy (and everyon else too!)
Thanks for the kind messages. The washer flourescent lights up ok. The light panel is yellowed. I am hoping I can clean some of it up using my plastic restore products that I use on when restoring the cars.
The dryer appears to have 3 small incandescent lights and the middle one is out. It also has a yellowed light panel.
See you in a couple days. Hey, you may want to bring your new Imperial down to the first Long Beach cruise night on Wednesday. Maybe see you there.
MK in LBC
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Post# 37205-4/4/2004-11:15 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Westinghouse Photo's
MESSAGE: Theres a White-Westinghouse F L where I pick up appliances.Looks to be early 80's,has a black face console.Rear controls.
I never grabbed it because I don't have much call for 'em.Let me know.goats3@aol.com
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Post# 37206-4/4/2004-13:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!! (1952-54 WO-65-2)
MESSAGE: To make these machines run like they were designed and intended, some work is usually always needed. If you found one that works right out of storage in a basement,that is the rare exception. How many loads have you run through your unimatic now?
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Post# 37207-4/4/2004-15:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores
MESSAGE: Even though this is a TOL set, I'd have thought the washer would have the Roto-Flex agitator. I wonder what the condition of the wig-wag is, since the agitator just spins in one direction...
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Post# 37208-4/4/2004-15:58 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores
MESSAGE: CONGRATULATIONS ON THE KENMORES!!! They look great. Don't worry about a thing, with Jimmy's and the rest of the guys help, they'll be a highlight of your collection! Really are beautiful. Mark
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Post# 37209-4/4/2004-17:07 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (Tappan Dishwashers)
MESSAGE: You're right. I had forgotten that Tappan made dishwashers too.
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Post# 37210-4/4/2004-17:09 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: What wonderful finds. They're fabulous looking machines. :-) Turquoise is my all time favorite appliance color. Have fun with the restoration process and thanks for sharing.
Mike
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Post# 37211-4/4/2004-17:12 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Green Acres (Yep, that's a Maytag Combo)
MESSAGE: I haven't been able to identify the fridge, stove or that top loading portable dishwasher, but that pink washer is a Maytag Combo.
Mike
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Post# 37212-4/4/2004-17:15 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag 806 on eBay (I hope these went to a good home)
MESSAGE: Is the winner anyone that we know. The Maytag 806 is one of my all time favorite Maytags.
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Post# 37213-4/4/2004-18:33 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores
MESSAGE: lbcarguy said:
The washer has a problem. The agitator just spins/free wheels. It is not connected to the transmission to agitate. Amazingly, she was still using it to wash clothes that way. Not sure how effective that would be.
Sounds to me like the machine does shift into agitate mode but the agitator spins freely. If the wig-wag solenoid was bad and not engaging, then the machine would alternate repeatedly between fill/drain until the timer ran through the wash or deep rinse phase, and seems unlikely she would still be using the machine *that* way. It's the wig-wag shift into agitation that flips the pump between drain and recirculate.
Probably either the agitator splines (or the hexagonal drive block splines, but I don't think a poly Roto Swirl would use a hex drive block) are stripped, or there's something broken inside the transmission.
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Post# 37214-4/4/2004-19:31 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores (Agitator Name)
MESSAGE: The agitator is a Super Roto-Swirl. It should be stamped into the base, on the outer edge. My parents' 1971 Kenmore 800 had the same agitator, but it had a plain gold cap with "Kenmore" stamped into the top. It didn't have the measuring cup.
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Post# 37215-4/4/2004-19:34 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!! (1952-54 WO-65-2)
MESSAGE: probably just about a dozen, I still need to remove the old agitator nut to put the new column on ......... have tried the "hot water" trick that you recommended Greg and that nut won't budge, worked on it for awhile this afternoon and nothing.
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Post# 37216-4/4/2004-19:39 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
LK dw tryout
MESSAGE: Ran the LK dw that I found a few weeks ago and confirmed the date of mfr being 1960. Absolutely no leaks and the main motor as well as separate drain motor ran great. But the timer I think will have to be rebuilt, it does advance for part of the cycle and then stalls and if you give it a little help it will complete the cycle. I also need a new fill valve, or am wondering if I can just replace the solenoid itself ??
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Post# 37217-4/4/2004-19:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: What I don't like about new WP-KN machines is the PLASTIC outer tub.The inner tub is steel-and the plastic outer one is very bad. I used to own a Kn-80 DD machine and got rid of it-swapped it for my WP Imperial 90-The Imperial is SO MUCH BETTER!-Its got to be 30yrs older. The plastic outer tank cracks when it is hit by the metal inner one if you have an unbalanced load.I have seen MANY plastic tank DD WP-KN machines in graveyards here.WP should junk the plastic tub DD design!
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Post# 37218-4/4/2004-19:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: My friend used to have a Newer GE machine-he bought it around 1998 or so.It blew out less than 4 years later. An "autotsy" showed it plastic geared tranny blew out and broke its plastic tub.Glad that one went to the baler.Thats about all the good new machines are for-metal baler food!!He bought a TOL DD KN to replace it.I told him to "baby" the KN-and don't be surprized if its tank breaks from an unbalanced load.
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Post# 37219-4/4/2004-19:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I too would like to see the appliance builders use the older-proven-reliable and duraqble designs.Its best for the user and the good ol'e mother earth-less machines going to the landfills.They stay in service longer.An when they finally die-the metal parts are more easily recycled.the plastic has little or no recycle value.I would be willing to pay more for these older designs and sturdier cabinets and lids.Also as we have seen the older designs PERFORM better.Washer technology peaked in the 50's-60's.See my other entry on the plastic tranny GE!!The builders should scrap all the new designs.INFERIOR!
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Post# 37220-4/4/2004-20:04 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't be surprized if the '94 agitator was made on the same molding machine.The molds can be duplicated many times in the molder machines lifetime and to accomidate diffrent agitator or other plastic parts.They just make new molds from the "master pattern" kept in the mold shops stock.Molds wear out during molding runs.
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Post# 37221-4/4/2004-20:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!! (1952-54 WO-65-2)
MESSAGE: I have plugged in and tried my vintage vacs-I look over the machine and its cord and plug first.Usually on vacs the cord and plug need to be replaced. I have a 1929 Hoover that works perfectcally. If thats the case-LEAVE THE MOTOR ALONE!!!Too many vacophiles ruin their machines by "servicing" them even if it runs fine.The washer is a different matter. Worn or dried out seals and gaskets-dried grease in the xmission.That washer should get a good top-bottom inspection before even thinking of plugging it in.
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Post# 37222-4/4/2004-20:25 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
frigidaire wcd-62 on ebay
MESSAGE: hey members i have listed a 1962 frigidaire washer on ebay the item # id 3808178748 im so out of room here it isnt funny and with 2 more machines on the way one has to go so anyway this machine runs great and i think i have worked out the bugs that were there when i found it thanks to greg aka gansky cant thank him enough but i can answer questions and send pics if anyone wants thanks for reading
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Post# 37223-4/4/2004-20:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: I saw 2 models of Kenmore machines built by WCI group at Sears-under the KN name-A large tank TL(all plastic inner tank) and a WAsher-dryer combo(I was looking at those since I lived in a townhome at that time)The WD combo had the dryer up top and the full size large tank washer at the bottom.The washer part was indentical to the separate Washer they were selling.The Sears salesman didn't recommend those models.This was around '96-99.
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Post# 37224-4/4/2004-20:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: Ironically, some Kenmore stackables are made by WCI instead of Whirlpool or whoever makes their DD machines. I saw a few of those models at Sears, the main way to tell the WCI machines apart from the DD machines is to look for a spin lock, since they have indexing tubs.
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Post# 37225-4/4/2004-20:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: frigidaire wcd-62 on ebay
MESSAGE: Nice-looking washer. I remember this machine on eBay before my Applianceville days...
Anyway, how fast does the Multimatic spin, and what kind of agitator does it have?
--Austin
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Post# 37226-4/4/2004-20:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I am with you-I HATE The DD designs.I had the problem that some of my clothes were torn or shredded by the short choppy strokes.Circulation poor too.The machine had what KN called a "triple Action agitator"Ii had the top part with the auger blades to "roll" the clothes.also it was supposed to go up and down.You could move it that way by hand-but never saw it do it when being used.I have found the "dreaded" auger agitators work best under heavy load-enough clothes for the auger blade part to "grab" onto.Ohterwise circulation of it is poor-wether it is DD or BD driven.You can tell the ideal "loading"ther agitator should click rythemetcally and turn.If is too heavy loaded-it will click very loudly and not trun very well.In that instance you will wear out the auger part and the drive cams.I trided my DD KN for a WP Imperial 90-much better. That Surgilator moves the clothes and water better than any Dual Action.Speed Queen machines are now built under the name of "Alliance laundry products" and aimed at the commercial market.You don't see them marketed to the domestic household market.You would have to go to an Alliance dealer.
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Post# 37227-4/4/2004-21:00 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: All this talk about plastic outer tubs on w/p begs a comment from me. Being a self employed appliance technician, I have NEVER seen a cracked outer tub on ANY direct drive washer! What does happen is the lid switch assy breaks away from it's mounting on the cabinet and that stops the spin cycle. Say what you want, but for the money, it's hard to beat the w/p design. There are a few things I would like to see change, but it is usually the ONLY top loader I recommend. I do agree that the BD machine took alot more abuse, but it had it's downfalls too. In todays sea of junk, I think w/p appliances are still of decent quality. (Through venting)!
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Post# 37228-4/4/2004-21:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach (Congrats!)
MESSAGE: Excellent machines - turquoise is one of my all-time favorites too!
I'm in Minneapolis helping Don (jetaction) install his Maytag 806's in turquoise. They have never been used before and are truly stunning. We've replaced the belts on the washer and dryer and replaced the rollers in the motor carriage of the washer - they should work just like they were out of the box in 1966!
Have fun with yours!!
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Post# 37229-4/4/2004-21:04 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: btw EVERY MFG now uses a plastic outer. Amana switched to it b4 they were bought by Maytag. all american front loaders have plastic outer tubs also. I do think they are here to stay.
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Post# 37230-4/4/2004-21:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: I was able to tell them by their generic straight bladed agitators and the plastic tubs-with slight vanes on their walls.The Sears salesman even mentioned they were built by WCI.
They stood out like "sore thumbs" among the WP KN models.He didn't recommend them and suggested I buy the WP-KN instead.Even the salesmen hated them!!The machines even looked "flimsy"
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Post# 37231-4/4/2004-21:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: come out here-I and the techs could show you MANY of them-the inner tub hitting the outer plastic one cracking it.Two of the yards here have 'em with good parts taken from them-the rest waiting for the "krusher"
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Post# 37232-4/4/2004-22:31 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD)
MESSAGE: I read what COLDSPOT66 wrote in defense of the WP DD washers and I thought I wrote it and forgotten that I had done it. I am also a self employed appliance tech & I agree completely. The belt drives were a great machine, but I have repaired or replaced alot more rusted out metal outer tubs than I have the plastic. I know how so many of you SAY that you would pay the extra to keep the older style machines but when it comes right down to it, the first thing people look at is the price and the appliance industry is a dog eat dog business. Most people don't know the first thing about the workings of a washer or that there is any major difference between machines so price decides which appliance is purchased too often. If you work on them day in & day out you find that on the average you just can't beat a WP DD machine. They will all break down, the difference is that you can usually fix a WP made machine at a reasonable price, the others get replaced, hopefully with a WP DD. It's the only manufacture I recommend as well.
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Post# 37233-4/4/2004-22:53 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach (Hurray!!!)
MESSAGE: Congratulations Mikey!!! An excellent addiotn to your new garages. Can't wait to see them next week. Saturday wash-in?
Rich
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Post# 37234-4/4/2004-22:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: At this point I am with you-I have tried a DD KN 80 and didn't like it-Plastic tank broke from out of balance,poor agitation.The tub was replaced under warranty-and the Sears service was very good.It didn't cost me anything. If I had to pay for it it would have been $350-about what I paid for the washer.I traded it for a WP imp 90-like it better.There a several entries that like the DD WP-KN machines.I just didn't have good luck with it.Maybe I had a dud.I would suggest buying used good machines rather than the new ones offered these days-both as a collector and a user.I would suggest as you say-look in the used stores and swap shops for your vintage favorite!
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Post# 37235-4/4/2004-22:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: short vs long tranny stroke
MESSAGE: I have seen the film clips and was very impressed with that Norge Time-Line.Reminded me of a Norge washer we had when I was very young.The agitator was exactly like that one shown in the video clip-however the one that we had used a metal lint dish-aluminum in color.looked like it was chromed or plated.
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Post# 37236-4/4/2004-23:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I noticed the same thing while looking at those machines at Best Buy and Lowes. the Maytag TL machine made me think of a pizza-bread dough kneader that you would see at a bakery.Would like to see it work-the lid should have a window in it.It looked like there were two interlock switches undere its cover.Maytag doesn't want you to see what its doing!!I think the doors and lids of both machines should be sturdier to withstand the test of time-and to show that Maytag still has a reputation for quality machines.
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Post# 37237-4/4/2004-23:11 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: I remember seeing one of those stacked washer/dryers at Sears. They looked very different from the "typical" Kenmore. More important, they looked like an updated version of the old Westy Spacemates. (The Spacemates were actually ahead of their time. They were first introduced by Westinghouse in the 1950's.) Even though the machines carried the "Kenmore" name plate, I suspected that they might be a WCI made machine.
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Post# 37238-4/4/2004-23:12 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: It does seem that you have had bad luck with the km 80 series. There are a few things that could be improved though i.e.( longer, slower agitation stroke, beefier cabinet, higher water level) but that's about it I hear complaints about it shredding clothes and can't relate. I rebuild washers and test them with my own laundry and have had one towel start to unravel. Overloading or long agitation time is usually to blame. I do agree that the dual action agitator makes all the difference. I usually throw away the straight vane single action agitators. Kenmores usually give a little more value for the $$$, but between km & wp they have 50% of the top loading washer market. That doesn't happen by accident!
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Post# 37239-4/4/2004-23:13 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE UNIMATIC ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: I gave up on EBAY as well-was a hassle-and people just outbid each other-just for the auction and forget what they are bidding on-than they bid more than what the item is worth.
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Post# 37240-4/4/2004-23:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I think what happens in the shredding is that the clothes can get caught under the vanes on the agiatator base.I like the solid base vanes better.Sometimes clothes snag when you are pulling them from the machine.You have to scoop them away from the agitator base as you lift them out.I did find with the dual action agitator-you learn from expereince how much you load in it to "load" the agitator right so the top half turns properly.If its underloaded it doesn't turn at all causing the poor agitation.In that situation the straight vane agitator is better.The improvements on the DD design I would like to see-than may I would reconsider-Longer-slower agitator strokes,and ditch the plastic outer tank.I don't overload my machine-I watch it and see how the items circulate as it agitates.
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Post# 37241-4/5/2004-00:03 ||| Lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Palm Springs LK's Liberated to Ocean Close Long Beach (Hurray!!!)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Saturday should be fine. Let Jimmy or I know what time works best. The washers are in my storage unit so if you want to see them, it has to be before 7 or they are locked up for the night. (They are only a couple minutes from the house).
MK in LBC
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Post# 37242-4/5/2004-01:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral-value for the dollar)
MESSAGE: I think KN has that 50% number simply because people know that Sears has washers-they are also more widely advertised.It seems everywhere you look or listen you get an add for Sears products.They have the most powerful promotion department of anyone.You could say the same for WP. You see them at places such as Lowes and Home Depot-they both have add and price wars.Yes I can agree in volume and popularity WP KN machines do have it.I suppose you could say that WP-KN,WCI,Maytag group are the big Three of appliance builders.
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Post# 37243-4/5/2004-05:28 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: I'm scrapping a WCI stacked washer and dryer.This is the first one I've seen that had the GE name on it.Almost wanted to save it for that reason....
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Post# 37244-4/5/2004-06:40 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT:
RE: frigidaire wcd-62 on ebay (frigidaire)
MESSAGE: hey austin
this washer has had the 3 ring agitator replaced with
a jetcone im guessing because the fin on the 3 ring
caved in but the jetcone work great till you can come
acros another 3 ring its a solid tub with no rust
im not sure about the spin speed but the machine still
works fine if you want a pic mail me at
rombachcc@juno.com thanks
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Post# 37245-4/5/2004-07:55 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I think they'd actually save money using the older designs. They pump a lot of cash into the DEVELOPMENT of the new stuff, even if the end product is only worth about three and a half cents. Anyway, in my experience, if you compare a plastic GE to a metal-basket Roper, the difference in cost to the consumer is negligible. Porcelain on steel can't be that expensive; I don't think there would be a big leap in cost if they used it for the outer tubs.
As for durability, did you ever notice how todays manufacturers make little if any claim of dependability? (As opposed to almost all the classic ads, which touted the longevity of the machines.) They always say some vague thing about "innovation" (the buzzword du jour) that has a slimmer chance of being construed as false advertising.
On the subject of GE agitators, I remember it was about 1993 or so when my parents bought a new GE fridge. It came with a catalog of all the appliances General Electric was offering that year. There must have been at least 15 FilterFlo models to choose from (from TOL with all-white controls to BOL with the more attractive black and silver panels). With so many FilterFlos available I was surprised when, a relatively short time later, I saw my first plastic GE. For a while I thought it was part of a new "bargain" line, or an experimental series offered IN ADDITION TO the FilterFlos. The truth was traumatizing. How could they give up the lint basket?!
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Post# 37246-4/5/2004-08:19 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I Agree with you Spiralactivator!!!!! Just 2 yrs ago when I was in my condo I needed to replace the washer and dryer it came with. I looked at GE and HOW CHEAP looking and feeling it was. Bought a Roper instead because it had such a sturdy feel and kinda reminded me of the ole Whirlpool my Mom had when I was growing up (yes, I know Whirlpool makes Roper). Which bring me to another point. That with Whirlpool making Roper and Roper Sales going up, This should make Whirlpool take a second look at their Name Brand design.
On your comment about the word "dependability", Even Maytag has basicly dropped it from their tag line. For years at the end of a Maytag ad or commerical it was "Maytag, the dependability people". Now, just seeing an ad on TV last night, it was "Maytag, depend on us". Not the same. Which leads me to believe that their products are not as good as they use to be.
I too would pay more for a better built, sturdier machine. However, most of society has become the "throw away" mind set and manufactures are only complying with what people want. When I was 8 my Mom Bought a Whirlpool Washer for $200. It was mid-line. This was back in 1972. Now you can still by a Whirlpool washer for about $250-$300. THIRTY YEARS LATER!!! not much for inflation because they are building them cheaper and they don't last. It is a shame what has happend to this industry.
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Post# 37247-4/5/2004-10:23 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: ...while I hate to disagree with you, Maytag still makes a model of the Dependable Care washer line that still has the porcelain outer tub. Mark
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Post# 37248-4/5/2004-10:29 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD)
MESSAGE: While some people ARE very stuck on the prices of new machines, please remember that almost every manufacturer now has models that MSRP out at $700 and more! The new Maytag Neptune TL, for example, is available from $999 to $1300 not to mention the WP/Kenmore lines of about the same price. People ARE paying high dollars for these machines, and to be quite observant, I think they ARE noticing how the quality of the machines went way down in the 90's when you couldn't even get 4 years out of a DD Kenmore/WP or GE! I think manufacturers took notice of consumer complaints and have started a trend of building the machines much better of late. Mark
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Post# 37249-4/5/2004-12:26 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: My mistake- you are correct about the dependable care model, but I have heard they are phasing it out at some point. You don't see that model too often anymore, they are pushing the pricier inferior atlantis and amana hybrid washers. Let's face it, it's all about production now. Longevity really doesn't matter anymore, just what's new and supposedly energy efficient. Back in the 50's & 60's washers & dryers were "new" and looked upon as true labor saving devices compared to what came before. Today that is not the case-Hell most ppl are discouraged from hanging clothes out to line dry. When you grow up with all this around you, you take it for granted and things become somewhat disposable.
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Post# 37250-4/5/2004-12:29 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Also don't confuse higher price with better quality. If the gov't hadn't stepped in with new energy guidelines, we wouldn't be seeing all these "new" designs.
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Post# 37251-4/5/2004-14:54 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I guess it all depends on your experiences with these DD machines.I owned a WP DD that lasted 15 yrs with no problems and this new KM i am satisfied with so far. It has had a couple of badly off balance loads and was fine.
Only time will tell how it will hold up.I agree with you about the older BD WP/KM washers being better as far as build quality, but at least they didn't get as cheap and flimsy like GE or Frigidaire.
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Post# 37252-4/5/2004-16:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Poppy Red 1/18 near Syracuse
MESSAGE: There is a Poppy Red 1/18 Frigidaire Washer as well as a 1975 Whirlpool 80 Washer in Avacado available.
Please contact TUROP@aol.com if interested.
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Post# 37253-4/5/2004-16:28 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: When you see the lidswitch in the Neptune TL, keep in mind that Maytag was one of the first manufacturers to put a lidswitch on an automatic washer. The photos of Robert's (Unimatic1140) 1949 AMP show this setup. It was a mercury switch mounted to the lid that, when the lid was tilted up, stopped all action.
So, while Frigidaire had rapidly pulsating, high-speed spinning, arm-removing machines, Maytag's AMP, which was already safe to begin with, had the first lidswitch safety device. Go figure.
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Post# 37254-4/5/2004-16:30 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: My main complaint here is water level. The "small" and medium" loads barely rise up to the bottom of the auger, while "large" is too small to safely wash a comforter in (even though I've done it before).
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Post# 37255-4/5/2004-16:35 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poppy Red 1/18 near Syracuse
MESSAGE: I remember the Poppy Red 1-18. The seller tried to sell it on eBay, first with a reserve and then without one, but it was an unsuccessful attempt. Unless they are Applianceville members, vintage washers on eBay attract so few people, who don't know that they're better made than what's out there today.
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Post# 37256-4/5/2004-16:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Ummm, well sort of. Actually the 1947-1949 Frigidaire washers did have a spin-only lid switch. It was only the 1950-1951 WO-65 Frigidaire washers that had no lid switch, as well as the lower end Pulsamatic and Multimatic models later on. The lid switches on the 1952-1956 models were on the control panel and the lid needed to be opened up all the way to contact the safety switch.
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Post# 37257-4/5/2004-16:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: frigidaire wcd-62 on ebay (frigidaire)
MESSAGE: This model spins at 710rpm.
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Post# 37258-4/5/2004-16:38 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: We bought a new GE set in 1996, with a "plastic" washer that, compared to the other design, was the ugliest GE washer made. The damn thing only lasted 2 years!!! The spin brake finally gave out, causing the tub to spin during agitation. The dryer lasted 6 years, and the rollers went bad, causing it to slide off and scrape the housing, making that awful squeaking sound and cutting a hole in the door opening. At first we didn't know what was causing the sound, but then when we saw the drum poking through the door opening, we ditched it.
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Post# 37259-4/5/2004-16:38 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: frigidaire wcd-62 on ebay (frigidaire)
MESSAGE: Not a Unimatic, but still a very impressive spin speed.
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Post# 37260-4/5/2004-16:46 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Everyone hates WCI-era Frigidaire (WCI front loaders)
MESSAGE: This is headed toward the Sandbox, but aren't the new Portable Kenmore washers made by WCI as well?
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Post# 37261-4/5/2004-18:00 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poppy Red 1/18 near Syracuse
MESSAGE: I don't know that I would agree with that statement,especially when talking about a 1-18 GM Frigidaire. Notorious for problems when they were new.
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Post# 37262-4/5/2004-18:07 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Concerning porcelain on steel,I attended Frigidaire appliance school,in Hinsdale,Il.,in 1976. I remember the instructor saying the most costly part of appliance manufacturing was the application of porcelain on steel,in refrigerators,washers,etc.
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Post# 37263-4/5/2004-19:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Yes,I remember this from metal shop class in high school-It was even on a film we watched about the process-it is very expensive now due to enviornmental regulations.-The metal has to be passed thru acid etching and cleaning baths in order for the powdered glass to Adhere to the metal while it is baked in a kiln.-It also takes ENORMOUS amounts of fuel and energy to run the kilns.It would be just as well to replace the porceleaned metal with stainless steel-So much of SS is made today that the cost of it would be cheaper than the Procelean steel.Wbhy can't appliance builders ditch the plastic and use SS for the inner and outer tanks-would be a big improvement!!
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Post# 37264-4/5/2004-19:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: In the event of bery large items such as comforters-I think it would be better to take it to a laundramat that has the very large washers designed to do such things.The laundramat here has such machines.
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Post# 37265-4/5/2004-19:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I can remember years ago about an incident that happened at a largfe laundry service-It involved a Wasco front load washer-A women unloading items from it while it was going-the door interlock worked-but when she leaned on the front panel to reach inside-the machine started and took off her arm-Lawsuit city then--The front panel flexed causing the switch to close.
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Post# 37266-4/5/2004-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I to have seen people who had better luck with OLDER DD design machines.
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Post# 37267-4/5/2004-19:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Thats the other beef I have-can we get the gov't out of the laundry room-Lets let the MARKETPLACE decide this matter.So called high priced-"trendy" energy saving washers are on the market-they are priced so they will never pay themselves!!Note to that some of these machines are based on OLDER designs.The FL machines.The newer TL ones WP,KN and Maytag are truely NEW designs.
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Post# 37268-4/5/2004-19:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD)
MESSAGE: Look up the website-"epinions" and people really slam these machines. Same with their WP-KN models.One writer even pressed his old KN back into service instead of the new Calypso machine he bought.His new one kept breaking and "losing" clothes under the Calypso agitator.
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Post# 37269-4/5/2004-20:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: The FL washers that I think are the absolute best are the Milnor commercial machines, since they use the most water. To me, I really don't see how a front-loader would be effective unless it filled halfway up the door, like these machines do. I've seen the Milnor at my school in action and the loads really do tumble and slosh around. At the other extreme is my cousin's Frigidaire. I tried it out one night, and it was filled so low that I could stop the machine and add clothes in the middle of the cycle.
As for the front-loaders of the 50's, 60's, 70's, & 80's, how much water did they use?
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Post# 37270-4/5/2004-21:08 ||| WESTYtoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
1-18 on eBay
MESSAGE: 1971 Frigidaire 1-18 Automatic Washer, for sale by fiftiesfan (gregm). 1 speed, 4 temperature selections, variable water level. Only problems are a small leak in the "vacuum valve" and the bed-of-nails filter is cracked. Great price for anybody in Mass.; I'd love to get my hands on this beauty. It looks so much more "heavy duty" than the forlorn late 90's Neptune in the background.
He's also selling a '72 LK with a Vari-Flex.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3808390959&category=20714&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Post# 37271-4/5/2004-21:10 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Poppy Red 1/18 near Syracuse
MESSAGE: I did try to sell it on ebay, and you are right, only true appreciators of the 1-18 get the value/design of this machine. I did get many people who wanted to purchase it, but the shipping was high. If I lived in LA or NY or DC, it would have been gone, price was not the issue if they could pick it up. Up here in the "sticks" we have very few classic appliance afficinados in range of local delivery, but I thought I would offer it here in case you know someone who knows someone.
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Post# 37272-4/5/2004-21:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
New eBay Record
MESSAGE: Wow!
I think we set a new record; there are 3 vintage GM washers on eBay as of now! That's quite a number considering they're so rare.
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Post# 37273-4/5/2004-21:34 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 on eBay
MESSAGE: why Austin, thank you for the advertising and highlights, hehehehe ......... careful about any negatively implied comments about my sister's neptune in the background, although I must agree :) ........
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Post# 37274-4/5/2004-21:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: Sounds like -and it makes sense-the clothes will clean better if they are completely immersed in the water.I beleive it was mentioned the early FL machines used less water than the TL machines in the Consumer info articles on this site.(Bendix and Westinghouse)My mother and Stepmother used these machines when they were younger and dind't like them. I haven't tried them-too used to TL machines.They didn't like the long cycle times.I think if I ever had to get a low water use machine -Iwould hunt for one of those VINTAGE Westy models.
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Post# 37275-4/5/2004-21:41 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: I so agree that FL's need more water, FOR SURE !!!
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Post# 37276-4/5/2004-21:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD)
MESSAGE: I think when people buy these high end machines they are expecting the quality that was in their older machines or their parents machines.It turns out you are not getting the high quality even at the high end prices.In some of the Epionions entries people have had to replace the high priced machines even after a few years of use because of the hassle of repairs and having to pay for parts that are replaced over and over.I would like to hear from the techs on here to se if thats the case.The most common offenders in this were Maytag Neptunes,Atlantus,and WP-KN Calypsos.Could we be drifting to sandbox things now?
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Post# 37277-4/5/2004-21:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: Could it be and think about this-Liabiliy on the part of the washer maker.Sounds like they want to keep the water level below the door opening to prevent leakage or spilling of water in case the door should open while the machine is going.In the Epionion entries this was the problem in a few incidents. The door popped open-the machine had a defective door interlock-the machine kept going-then the water senser was tripped and the machine tried to fill.As a result the water poured out of the machine onto the owners floor flooding their laundry room or house.The Neptunes were known for doing this.I think they corrected the problem in later machines.They put in a better door lock soleniod.The other ones were burning out causing the door to open.
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Post# 37278-4/5/2004-22:08 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD)
MESSAGE: From what I hear & see Neptunes are the worst; Atlantis had tranny problems (no spin) and ppl didn't like the Calypso. ( the Sears surplus store is FULL of them). Haven't heard anything bad yet about the HE3/DUET except it sometimes knots up laundry. But it is mfg in Germany so it may be fine. I think the front load washers should go back to what the w/p km front loaders from the sixties had; a recirculating spray that was angled to the middle of the drum. As the clothes fall from the top to the bottom, they fall through a stream of wash water. Just my 2 cents worth!
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Post# 37279-4/5/2004-22:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD)
MESSAGE: People would replace their bad Neptunes with the WP-KN Duets.
I wonder how many of those Calypsos at the Sears surplus mart have clothes stuck under their agitators.The Epionions entries about Calypsos mentioned this. Eventually so many clothes would get caught under the agitator that it would break.I would think a periodic drum rotation reversal would solve the clothes tangling in the tumble style Duet.
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Post# 37280-4/5/2004-23:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD)
MESSAGE: Does WP-KN have a German contractor-say Meilie to build the Duets?Users of Neptunes complained that motors and main control circuit boards in their Neptunes burned out frequently.
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Post# 37281-4/5/2004-23:21 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (to the Sandbox)
MESSAGE: Yes, please...
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/messages
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Post# 37282-4/6/2004-00:36 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Date help plz
MESSAGE: What is the serial #-then I will explain how to read it. Glen
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Post# 37283-4/6/2004-00:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
New European website for classic washing machines
MESSAGE: There is a new website for European classic washing machines. It's a real nice one, there is a washer of the month, already some online Miele brochures from the early sixties etc. Have a look at it. It's in German though, but the pictures are great.
Louis
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/
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Post# 37284-4/6/2004-01:08 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New European website for classic washing machines
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, although we are unable to read the verbage of this site, we definitely did enjoy the vintage Miele photos. We had never seen a Miele wringer washer, nor the vintage cylinder vacuums. We very much like the site's interface, navigation by washer control panel, and the tumbling action upon entering the site. Thanks for sharing!
QEOM
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Post# 37285-4/6/2004-02:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (60's FL with water stream)
MESSAGE: I have actually seen those machines in action with the constant spray stream of water as the clothes tumbled, I love that ..........
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Post# 37286-4/6/2004-02:10 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Whirlpool Date help plz
MESSAGE: I will find out and let you know, thanks Glenn :)
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Post# 37287-4/6/2004-08:00 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: This is one of my pet peeves. It is my belief that the government regulations have nothing to do with protecting the environment and everything to do with social control. If the enviroment is the wasteland that they claim it is, how have so many millions of people (and animals) managed to survive? Conservation is important, but the world will NOT come to an end if you set your porcelain-tub washer on double rinse. The government should concentrate on cleaning up REAL pollution (like nuclear waste and factory run-off) and developing new AIDS treatments, instead of dictating what consumers can and cannot have/do.
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Post# 37288-4/6/2004-08:03 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: New European website for classic washing machines
MESSAGE: Thanks for the link! There is something innately cool about European appliances. I only wish I knew a lick of German.
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Post# 37289-4/6/2004-09:09 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I agree with you 100%.
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Post# 37290-4/6/2004-11:10 ||| Danwalter (Maryland)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint Electric Hot Water Heater
MESSAGE: This thing is old. It's got Calrod units whatever that means. Anyway, I'm trying to figure out how to wire up the thermostats. It's got a double throwq up top and a single one down bottom.
Any Ideas?
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Post# 37291-4/6/2004-16:07 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: If the government keeps putting laws restricting how much water/energy a washer can use, then we'll have a whole new breed of washer...
The NEW Kenmore NE3t! ("No Efficiency") Uses only 1/2 gal. of water per cycle, and rinsing is not necessary! If you think the load's too dirty, just put it in for another slow and time-wasting 90 minute cycle! And don't forget to try NEW Tide NE detergent, Clorox NE bleach, and Downy NE fabric softener!
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Post# 37292-4/6/2004-16:11 ||| WestyTopLoader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Another twist to this scenario is that water & energy conservation laws/regulations will outlaw all automatic washers made before the year 2000. So, owning/possessing or using a vintage washer would be considered a crime. If this were actually to come true ((((shudder)))), I think all appliance collectors should rebel against the gov't.
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Post# 37293-4/6/2004-17:33 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: They're trying to do the same thing with cars (scrappage laws backed by the automakers).
The can come take my washer and my cars when they peel my cold stiff hands from the steering wheel.
#@!$%^&* !!
Ken
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Post# 37294-4/6/2004-17:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: New European website for classic washing machines
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, this is very cool!
They have ClassicAppliances.com linked too - have you had a look at the other links? Anything we should see there? I can't read a word of it!
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Post# 37295-4/6/2004-18:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I don't think you have to worry-the gov't doesn't have the budget,resources or personel to do this.also the NEGATIVE impact on the envoronment would be worse than the original problem.They may prohibit the manuafturers from building replacement parts for the cars or washers.
I remember when this sort of thing happened when PCB capacitors and transformers were banned.Some of these are still in use!!It just means when they fail they cannot be repaired-they have to be disposed of in a facility that is approved for the dsiposal of PCB's.They did not try to "round up" these things.
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Post# 37296-4/6/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Where did you see or hear this-That is something that is hard to beleive.I think our Vintage washers and cars are safe.It will just be more difficult to get parts or service for them.I have seen the RR for this and don't see ANYTHING that would "outlaw" present appliances. It is just like the PCB transformer and capacitor issue.You can still use them but when they break down-they cannot be repaired(PCB transformer and capacitors)The rules state the washers have to use less water than the models made now.Again the Govt doesn't have the budget,resources,or personel to carry this out.-and never will the way budgets are going.
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Post# 37297-4/6/2004-18:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: I agree with you on this one 100% to-say election is coming up isn't it!!!VOTE THOSE OUT.
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Post# 37298-4/6/2004-19:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint Electric Hot Water Heater
MESSAGE: Calrod is a type of enclosed heating element.-Like the coil burners on an electric stove.The outside of these elements isn't electrically live. On water heaters I beleive the letric codes specify that BOTH elements cannot be running at the same time.They specify that only one at a time can run.top or bottom zone.Is there a thermostat for each element on your old heater?Its been awhile since I worked on one.I just remember they were wired so only one at a time would come on.-and the heater I worked on had a thermostat for each element.
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Post# 37299-4/6/2004-19:17 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: We are treading close to a Sandbox discussion, but since we are comparing to vintage FLs, I'll throw in my 2 cents. FLs today use less water to effect better cleaning action. (Being able to add or remove clothes during the cycle is a benefit of using less water, but not the reason it is done.) The FLs of the 50s rolled clothes in the water...today's machines drop the water saturated clothes to the bottom of the tub...like beating them on rocks...a very effective method actually. The 50s machines were rated "average" in cleaning, where today's FL are rated "excellent" with lower water usage. (Of course we also have better lo-suds detergents today). The one area where more water is an advantage is rinsing. That is why today's machines rinse 3 or 4 times compared to twice in vintage FLs. Although vintage FLs are extremely cool...modern ones with their high spin speeds, and coupled with more effective detergents, definetly produce better results with less water and energy used.
The thinking that one needs lots and lots of water to clean is not correct, and is comparable to some people still thinking you need mounds of suds to get a clean wash. Both are throw-backs to a past way of washing.
All this said....IMHO nothing cleans as well or is as fun to watch as an overflow rinse in a 1950s Unimatic!!! LOL
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Post# 37300-4/6/2004-19:24 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: If the rules get tighter, I doubt very much that continuing use of vintage washers, or ownership of the machines themselves, would become a crime. It would probably work like the 1995 laws about 1.6 gallon toilets. Police didn't raid older homes to push people off the can and cuff 'em because they were flushing with 5 gallons!!
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Post# 37301-4/6/2004-19:35 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: I'll throw in my 2 cents too, then move beyond this subject. I agree with your post. I love vintage machines, but have a 1-year old Bosch front-loader. Though the wash water falls below the window, the cloths are slightly more than sopping wet - more than enough to provide a thorough wash, combined with the rotation and pounding action. The rinses are deeper, rising about 1/4 to 1/3 of the way up the window. It's an excellent performer on all accounts. If only I could have a 1975 Speed Queen right next to it!
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Post# 37302-4/6/2004-20:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New European website for classic washing machines
MESSAGE: It is very interesting-esp liked the info on the early Meilie vacs.Those old ones looked pretty nice.
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Post# 37303-4/6/2004-21:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: Frigidaire and LG use the "rock-beating" principle, where soaking wet clothes are "beaten" by the drum baffles. I've used a Frigidaire FL and you can hear the clothes slosh!
However, the European FLs (such as Asko) tend to fill higher than the American FLs, since their drums are smaller. (This, of course, excludes the commercial/industrial machines, where the water goes more than halfway up the window, which makes for good entertainment and suds action!) To me, there is no "happy medium"; either a nearly full or nearly empty FL tub gets clothes the cleanest.
However, the best of the
vintage FL machines (vintage and commercial FLs are the absolute best), in my opinion, is the Westinghouse from the 60's--80's (oval-window model). It had manually selectable load sizes (so you could "deep wash" if you wanted to), a tub light, and many cycle options! The only downside was that they weighed a ton (from the tub counterweights)...
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Post# 37304-4/6/2004-21:25 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: I tend to agree with you about the Westy f/l oval window. They do seem to "roll" the clothes through the water. I do like the way it washes towels, seems to make the pile of the towel "stand up" . They feel a little different when dry. I'm not sure that they used all that much less water, considering the size load they did. Also wished it spun faster.
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Post# 37305-4/6/2004-21:30 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: Also liked the 1st rinse being a flush rinse. Spraying fresh water on a tumbling load and draining at the same time was VERY effective at removing excess suds!
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Post# 37306-4/6/2004-23:54 ||| Mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Hi to all washer friends,
I just went through the statistic of my website www.waschmaschinen-forum.de and was surprised to see that many users came from this website last night.
So I think it it time for me to say hello and thank you for visiting my site, your comments and do hope to get in touch with some of you.
We have just started to build the site some weeks ago, so there is lot of stuff to add in the future (maybe even an English translation ;-)
Take care
Kai from Hamburg
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de
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Post# 37307-4/7/2004-00:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Found your site very interesting-esp like the brocures showing the older Miele vacuums and their other appliances.I can't read the text-but the pictures are worth a 1000 words.Shows Miele makes more than just washers and vacuums.
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Post# 37308-4/7/2004-00:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Whats also interesting about water usage-some of the folks that complain about water use of washers and dishwashers may be the first ones to pour hundreds or even thousands of gallons of water on their lawns or gardens.Most of this water does little good except contribute to water pollution of lakes and rivers from lawn runoff.What was the rule-you run the hose for an hour and you have used enough water for over 2 TL washer loads!
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Post# 37309-4/7/2004-00:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: Yes-there is something about watching the clothes go round-and -round and tumble in the FL machines-May every home "theater" should have a FL washer in the equipment lineup in case the TV programs and movies get boring!!
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Post# 37310-4/7/2004-01:52 ||| Slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: Just for another 2cents worth, my Asko doesn't fill any higher than the American FLs. The Asko senses how much water is required to saturate clothes so they can achieve the tumble beating you're talking about. It also picks water up from the bottom of the tub and "laddles" it over the top. If you see much of a water line in the window of an Asko, something's wrong. The tubs aren't actually all that much smaller in terms of capacity, either, because the door is flat, unlike the big windows on US machines that actuall jut so far into the drum, they cut into capacity. (Obviously, I'm a big fan of my Asko).
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Post# 37311-4/7/2004-03:20 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Howdy from Texas. An English translation would be good for me! :-)
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Post# 37312-4/7/2004-04:44 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany (Hello from Arkansas)
MESSAGE: I enjoyed the pics too. I'd love an English translation.
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Post# 37313-4/7/2004-07:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: .....and for a nine pound load, the Unimatic only used 28 gallons of water and finished the cycle in 28 minutes!
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Post# 37314-4/7/2004-08:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Hello and welcome!
We've really enjoyed your site - your hard work really shows!
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Post# 37315-4/7/2004-08:40 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: Low water usage even with generous overflow rinsing at end of wash cycle and during deep rinse.little wear on clothes too.
this type wash action-and the radial action kelvinator-need to be explored again by the washer makers looking for efficiency instead of goofy designs like the Calypso!
Tom
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Post# 37316-4/7/2004-09:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New European website for classic washing machines
MESSAGE: Greg,
Besides the links to this site and Lee Maxwell's museum the other sites are all in German.
www.oldiewash.de focuses mostly on the washers before the automatics and the www.omas-waschkueche.de site is about doing the laundry by hand.
www.waesche-waschen.de gives tips about doing laundry.
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Post# 37317-4/7/2004-09:27 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Great to see you here Kai! A warm welcome from Groningen. It feels like you're almost my neighbour when posting on an American site LOL.
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Post# 37318-4/7/2004-11:13 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
1-18 Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: In Worcester, MA... Is this GregM's auction?
-ph
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3808390959&rd=1
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Post# 37319-4/7/2004-11:20 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Kai, I really enjoyed visiting your site! Unfortunately I cannot read any of it, but really enjoyed your creative interface, and the pictures!
Scott
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Post# 37320-4/7/2004-11:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: That would be said handsome lad from the east...I remember when he posted pics of that washer when he got it!
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Post# 37321-4/7/2004-11:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1-18 Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: It's also mentioned in post 37270...
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Post# 37322-4/7/2004-14:52 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany (Hello from Pennsylvania)
MESSAGE: Fab site! Even without English translation, the pictures are great, and the wash-program navigator dial is ingenous!
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Post# 37323-4/7/2004-14:57 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: This is off-topic (and I should know better) , but those low-flush toilets are ridiculous. The one in my college residence has to be flushed two or three times to achieve the necessary effect! So much for saving water!
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Post# 37324-4/7/2004-16:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Hi Kai, welcome to Applianceville. From one webmaster to another, congrats! Very creative site you produced, I particularly like the automated control dial menu you made, very fun! I'll look forward to future updates.
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Post# 37325-4/7/2004-16:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: I agree 100%; the vertical and radial-action washers should be reinvented. Ditto with the recirculating lint filter. And despite what the "Experts" say, an agitator doesn't take up that much washtub space, or "waste valuable capacity". (Unless, of course, it's that monster Hotpoint Handwash agitator!)
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Post# 37326-4/7/2004-16:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE straight vane vs spiral)
MESSAGE: Exactly...
Here's a link to the Sandbox.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox
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Post# 37327-4/7/2004-16:54 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
ABC Wringer Washer on eBay
MESSAGE: Not an automatic, but rare nonetheless.
Probably from the 1940's. In excellent condition.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=3715829603&rd=1
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Post# 37328-4/7/2004-16:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
BLACKSTONE Wringer Washer on eBay!!!!
MESSAGE: Another great wringer find from the 40's!
Even rarer than the ABC, and works great!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3670131478&rd=1
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Post# 37329-4/7/2004-18:24 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: That's right...it would have an energy star today! LOL
They were the best washers ever made! Fast AND efficient!
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Post# 37330-4/7/2004-18:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: BLACKSTONE Wringer Washer on eBay!!!!
MESSAGE: Why are they so far from me?
I would love to both of those wringers, but I still have three wringers to pick up, two Montgomery Wards and a Speed Queen with two spare tubs.......
What on earth am I'm doing?
I just love those wringers!!!
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Post# 37331-4/7/2004-19:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: For me TIME is more critical than the water or electricity!!Need to seek one of those out!!For other people TIME is more critical than the water or power as well.
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Post# 37332-4/7/2004-19:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: The Gooofy Calypso is a clothes eater according to Epionion users.The clothes get caught under its "agitator" and build up-then causing the agitator to break.Also they didn't like its cleaning ability despite that CU says it works well for that.Revive the vintage ones-They work as we all say!!
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Post# 37333-4/7/2004-20:08 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: It's been said that the Calypso is based on the old Philco design, but doesn't it look like the Bendix Powersurge with disc agitation in the REWARD/WANTED section?
I don't know why somebody doesn't bring back vertical agiation. If a Frigidaire coin-op could do a full load in 18 minutes, start to finish, that "activated water" must be some powerful stuff!
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Post# 37334-4/7/2004-20:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Time to resurrect the Unimatic!!!)
MESSAGE: There's really no reason why manufacturers
shouldn't bring back vertical agitation. They're effective, get good rollover, the transmissions are simpler than other washers today, and they're FAST. On top of all that they're entertaining! Same with radial, or centric agitation, even though their transmissions are a little more complicated.
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Post# 37335-4/7/2004-21:31 ||| WESTYTOPLOADER (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Portable Pics
MESSAGE: Finally uploaded the photos I took of my 70's Maytag Portable. Twin-tub machines make laundry day fun again, especially when you're washing in the kitchen!! Enjoy the pics!!
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/westytoploader/detail?.dir=/968b&.dnm=1865.jpg
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Post# 37336-4/8/2004-04:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
coolpics
MESSAGE: cool pics :) could only make it up to 28 out of 37 for whatever reason ??? .......... thanks for sharing
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Post# 37337-4/8/2004-04:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
1957 Wards POD
MESSAGE: Interesting, a gas dryer that uses electric element for low heat? And a fiberglass tub in washer? Never heard of THAT before. Are these Norge-built machines?
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Post# 37338-4/8/2004-04:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congrats to Mike for his new Kenmores (KM/WP wig wag)
MESSAGE: There's only a couple of things that can go wrong with the wig wag.
bent plungers due to problems with the gearcase
bad solenoids
It's a pretty simple thing
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Post# 37339-4/8/2004-04:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dw tryout (stuck timer and water valve)
MESSAGE: I know some guys here disagree, but if the timer is stuck anyway, I'd try the WD-40 spray solution. Nothing to lose, it (or they, some of those had dual timers) have to be re-built anyway.
What does the water valve do (or not do)? Thoe valves were used in a lot appliances, you coupld possiblely pirate some parts or use parts from a newer valve.
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Post# 37340-4/8/2004-05:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (plastic outer tubs)
MESSAGE: How ironic, the plastic outer tub would have fared mcuh better in the old belt drive machines, since the inner and outer tubs were monted insuch a way that they COULDN'T touch each other.
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Post# 37341-4/8/2004-05:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD metal outer tubs)
MESSAGE: Usually by the time the outer tub rusts out, the machine is at the end of it's normal life cycle anyway.
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Post# 37342-4/8/2004-05:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Big 3)
MESSAGE: Actually, it's the Big 4, GE/Hotpoint has quite a share, too. And they're now also building appliances for Sears, too.
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Post# 37343-4/8/2004-05:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Front-Loaders need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: The new FL machines somehow "adjust" the water level to the load, or so they claim.
A friend's mother had a KM combo that pumped a stream of water from the right front of the drum toward the back, and the clothes fell through it while tumbling. Seemed like a good solution to not having to have so much water in the cylinder.
Does anybody have the last of the KM/Whirlpool combos here? When did they stop production?
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Post# 37344-4/8/2004-05:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced)
MESSAGE: That's because the higher price buys SOME quality (stainless steel vs plastic tubs, maybe), and more features, and more "name prestige" (KitchenAid vs Whirlpool, GE vs Hotpoint) but the underlying mechanics is generally the same as on the lower machines. Same with cars, the transmission in a Ford Crown Victoria is the exact same one as in a Lincoln Town Car
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Post# 37345-4/8/2004-06:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint Electric Hot Water Heater (water heater elements)
MESSAGE: They're set up so that the upper element heats first, then thermostat switches control to lower element. I believe there are/were places/circumstances where it was allowable to wire them so that both elements heated at the same time. Obviously, your electrical service/branch circuit had to be able to handle the extra load
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Post# 37346-4/8/2004-08:06 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
Thank you
MESSAGE: Hi from Hamburg,
thanks to all of you that have given such great comments on my website.It's great having a look on your site as I love those old washers so much since I've been to the U.S. first in 1987.
I saw some at the Laundromats I did my holiday laundry such as Maytag, Speedqueen and GE. They all make this wonderful noise...
It is fun to read the first experience with appliances of you...it is always nearly the same story.
My mother use to tell me that on of the first words I could say was 'Wewa' (my special very short word for washer ;-))
I knew all the types of washers in our neighbourhood and the first look while visiting friends was to face the washer hopefully somewhere in the kitchen or the bathroom. Our first washer was the Miele 420 (you can see it on my website if you turn the knob to 'Maschine des Monats`).
It is fantastic to see how many of you are owning a collection of washers at home, I am so amazed that now I start collecting these wonderful old washers from Europe as well (from the 50s, 60s and 70s)and save them.
Thanks for giving me this big kick with this website!!!!
Take care
Kai
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/
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Post# 37347-4/8/2004-09:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE:
Are these Norge-built machines?
This is a very interesting question. When Greg and I were in Boston a few months ago visiting Jetcone we were going through Jon's literature stacks and found the designer of this Wardamatic washer. I'm not positive, but I believe this design was only made for one year. No its not a Norge, Franklin you say, think again. Just when I thought there was nothing we havent seen in the vintage American Automatic Washer industry, we found something new. Anyone care to take a stab at it, there is only one clue in the entire POD that could give it away.
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Post# 37348-4/8/2004-09:17 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dw tryout (stuck timer and water valve)
MESSAGE: timer has been pulled and sent out for check/rebuild. Water valve does work, but struggles to close/off. The part I need is the float/air pressure switch down below to prevent overfilling, right now I have bypassed it and reduced the incoming hot water pressure creating a "timed" fill that will not overfill. The float/air pressure switch does work but one of the terminals broke off; I could "sodder" < (spelling ?) a new terminal on ??
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Post# 37349-4/8/2004-10:08 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Beam? But what is this 6-vane agitator?
-ph
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Post# 37350-4/8/2004-10:46 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Maybe Thor or Hotpoint? I do seem to remember a washer with a fiberglass tub from that era.
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Post# 37351-4/8/2004-10:48 ||| coldspot66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dw tryout (stuck timer and water valve)
MESSAGE: Is the pressure switch similar to what was used in an older Kitchenaid? Maybe a kd15 or 16? Is there any part of the old terminal left?
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Post# 37352-4/8/2004-11:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Not Beam, Not Hotpoint, and most likely not Thor. I say most likely because I'm not sure if the company who produced this design, outsourced the transmission parts from Thor, but I doubt it. Greg do you remember seeing the mechanics of this machine in that book?
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Post# 37353-4/8/2004-11:47 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Wards POD)
MESSAGE: I'll take a stab at it..Perhaps Whirlpool? It looks like some of the earlier Kenmore's. Just a guess
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Post# 37354-4/8/2004-12:32 ||| geoff (Connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: "Live-Finger" action??
That sounds like a Frigidaire saying. Just a stab
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Post# 37355-4/8/2004-12:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD
MESSAGE: Did the "bouncing basket" Apex have a fiberglass tub?
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Post# 37356-4/8/2004-12:46 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Wards POD)
MESSAGE: Blackstone?
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Post# 37357-4/8/2004-13:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Wards POD)
MESSAGE: I second that. My guess is Blackstone too.
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Post# 37358-4/8/2004-14:23 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
1957 Wards POD
MESSAGE: This is a stretch,but how about Speed Queen?
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Post# 37359-4/8/2004-14:29 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Wards POD Apex?)
MESSAGE: Hi to all from LA. My guess is that this is an Apex, from my home state/town Cleveland Ohio. I believe that this was the last year for Apex, and they quickly disappeared from the appliance business somewhere near 1957/1958. The secretary to one of the executives is a member of one of my classic car clubs. She and I sat and talked about Apex breifly one afternoon........seems they abruptly closed the doors of the plant one day under mysterious cirumstances she told me. There is an Apex dryer that Gansky and I found up in S Dakota two years ago.......Its still there most likely.....I think Greg took the chrome logo from the top........
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Post# 37360-4/8/2004-15:21 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hello from Germany
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, thanks for your welcome. I really enjoy your perfect website ...so much good old washers to look at...
oh wow, it is fantastic !!!
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Post# 37361-4/8/2004-15:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Well, even though I'm somewhat technically challenged, I'll take a stab at it. My guess is either AMC or Apex. Apex more likely because of the unique fiberglass tub and the words "Wardamatic" which is VERY similar to "Washamatic". Although, because of its short control panel (about 5 in.) found on some Kelvinators, it could very well be an AMC machine.
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Post# 37362-4/8/2004-15:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Wards POD Apex?)
MESSAGE: Jimmy's excellent technical info further verifies that this machine was made by Apex.
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Post# 37363-4/8/2004-16:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: coolpics (Yahoo Trouble)
MESSAGE: It seems Yahoo was having some difficulty when I tried to look at my photos this morning; I clicked on the link just now and it works fine.
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Post# 37364-4/8/2004-16:40 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Wards POD Apex?)
MESSAGE: I think I spoke too soon about this being an Apex. I could not get the pic to come up, but just based my reply on the other posts. If this has an agitator, then I dont think its an Apex. Apex did have a fiberglass tub, but the tub and agitator were an integral unit. Have to say Im stumped! This is a new one for me, and have never seen this design before that I know of. Dryer door looks like it could be Blackstone design, but Im curious now. Please, let us know who made it! hahahaha
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Post# 37365-4/8/2004-16:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Yes, here they are...I had them in my parts book (without the fun pinups)
This tranny really has no relation to the Thor, more likely the same or similar design to the maker's wringer machines. The pic next in the album shows the tub and agitator which most will recognize - this is different than the Wards agitator with six vanes, must have been a different model for Wards like the Sears versions of the Whirlpool machines.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Ads+Articles+Brochures&.dnm=f8f2.jpg
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Post# 37366-4/8/2004-16:50 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: There was no relation of Kelvinator to AMC. You might be thinking of ABC (Altorfer Brothers Company) who made for Kelvinator in the early days of Kelvinator laundry. Later, the factory was bought by Kelvinator and ABC washers were gone...
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Post# 37367-4/8/2004-17:38 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: There is resemblance to the early Philco washers before the automagic agitator.
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Post# 37368-4/8/2004-17:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: That was going to be my guess too, particularly since no one else guessed it and I too see a resemblance. It just doesn't seem like anything else I have seen. Seems odd that if it were an Apex that it would be a standard wash system rather than a bouncing basket, but I suppose that would be possible. Did Thor ever manufacture fully automatic washers?
Would these have been sold concurrently with or prior to the the Westinghouse made frontloaders they offered (which I never knew about until just a few years ago!) Apparently Norge did not become their primary supplier until sometime in the 1960s.
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Post# 37369-4/8/2004-17:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday Richie! (Golittlesport)
MESSAGE: The other day I found a bag of Ariel you gave me I think the very first time we met! In honor of your birthday today, I used some today to do Al's wash! It did a great job!
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Post# 37370-4/8/2004-17:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Interesting looking agitator; a variation on what Apex used in their wringer machines. Also, I couldn't help noticing the space-saver 21" Wards stacked combo. Is the washer a twin-tub, and do you know if the washer uses a propeller instead of an agitator?
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Post# 37371-4/8/2004-18:22 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Richie! (Golittlesport)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Scott!!! :-D
Hope you used the Ariel in your Frigidaire! Did it make a suds cake???
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Post# 37372-4/8/2004-18:28 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Richie! (Golittlesport)
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday, to another Aries. Hope to see you this weekend in LongBeach. (She's really telling him, Eh Tightwad?)
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Post# 37373-4/8/2004-18:38 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: well....that agitator sure looks like an apex agitator...and with the fiberglass tub, I'll have to guess that Wardamatic was made by Apex. I never thought that Apex produced an agitator automatic, however. Hmmm....
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Post# 37374-4/8/2004-18:39 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Richie! (Golittlesport)
MESSAGE: you said it, Tacky!
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Post# 37375-4/8/2004-19:10 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Could it be an Easy? Didn't they get gobbled up about the same time? My other thought was Gibson/WCI
Jerry
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Post# 37376-4/8/2004-19:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg! As everyone can see its actually an Apex design machine. Apparently in their last year they changed the design to an Agitator machine, scrapping the Bouncing Basket. Apex made Bouncing Basket machines for Wards for a few years before this 1957 model came out. Needless to say, an extremely rare machine.
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Post# 37377-4/8/2004-19:27 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Portable Pics (nice pictures)
MESSAGE: I made it up to only #14 before I received that darn "website not responding" message. It looks like a nice, clean machine. I'm surprised that the two impellers are next to each other, near the top of the tub. It seems like the wash would be more effective with one impeller in the bottom center of the tub, and one on the side near the top (as positioned). It's interesting that twin-tubs are still made - there is a brand called "Danby" on the internet. The wash tub has a conventional agitator though.
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Post# 37378-4/8/2004-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD metal outer tubs)
MESSAGE: My mother had the outer tank on her BD KN machine replaced-she has the machine under a Sears Mainteneance contract.It has a Penta-Swirl agitator.She chose to have it repaired rather than buy a new machine-she didn't like the newer machines.The tub was replaced about 4 years ago and she is still using the washer.She bought it in 1976.
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Post# 37379-4/8/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint Electric Hot Water Heater (water heater elements)
MESSAGE: It was in the area where I used to live the codes prohibited both elements running at the same time.Don't know why.
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Post# 37380-4/8/2004-20:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: This may be the solution to the tank material problem-make the tubs from fiberglas.It would be stronger than the plastic used today. I bet it would be a bit more expensive though.Wonder what the cost comparisons would be-between plastic-the standard steel tub or the SS tubs.
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Post# 37381-4/8/2004-20:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: The Wards washer and dryer are sure unique-never seen this before. I would think you would have to constantly checking the aluminum agitator for nicks or corrosion-since these could yeild sharp edges that could damage clothes.I remember as a child one friend we knew had a SQ washer that had an aluminum agitator.He had to sand it periodiically with sandpaper to get rid of sharp edges from nicks.
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Post# 37382-4/8/2004-20:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD
MESSAGE: How did the "bouncing Basket" washer work? Anyone with video clips of this-I would like to see it work.Did the tank move or bounce like the "agitator" of a Calypso?
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Post# 37383-4/8/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: "Live Finger" action-sounds like they are describing something that kneads dough rather than washing clothes.
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Post# 37384-4/8/2004-20:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (plastic outer tubs)
MESSAGE: That is interesting-The Sears Tech that worked on my machine said I was not the only one that suffered from the colliding tanks.He said he had to fix others that had the same problem.
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Post# 37385-4/8/2004-21:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced)
MESSAGE: Thats is true in both appliances and cars.Yes with cars the frames,engines and xmissions are the same with that model group-just with the lux models-a different body and interior-it stays on the assembly line longer than the standard models.I and others do expect better quality and support with the higher priced appliance brands.For example-a few years ago I bought a KA dishwasher from the local applaince store here.The electronic control panel failed.It was close to a MONTH before the part came in and the repair completed.That was a high end machine of the line offered.Usually when you pay for the higher end model(KitchenAid) you should expect better service from the manufacturer and the dealer.the repair was done under warranty. I had to TELL the dealer WHAT to do in regards to the parts.-And the breaking tank washers.So much for newer machines.If this "trend" in newer machines continues-I will buy VINTAGE not only for colllecting-but as a user.The dealer did give me an extra control panel for the dishwasher though.Its in my pantry.Least I have a spare.
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Post# 37386-4/8/2004-21:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Big 3)
MESSAGE: Sorry-yes its 4-I forgot GE-Hotpoint.Don't they build fridges for Sears nowadays?I thought some of the Sears Fridges were made by GE-Hotpoint.
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Post# 37387-4/8/2004-23:09 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced- - Only use vintage)
MESSAGE: I only have vintage appliances. I do not own ANY new ones.The dryers I use are 1959 and 1965. The washers are 1961,1965,and 1966 models. My stove is from 1937. The newest appliance I own is the fridge,which is a 1977 Kelvinator.If the old appliances are repaired and maintained properly,I see no reason they cannot be enjoyed for daily use. I won't give up valuable space for new ones.Same goes for garage space and classic cars. The newest one would be the one to sit outside!
Rickr
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Post# 37388-4/8/2004-23:51 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: And when did Wards start using the "Signature" name for their appliances? I know that my grandma's Wards Signature washer & dryer were made in '62; I assumed that's what Wards always called their appliances...? Never heard of the "Wardamatic" and the "Wardrier" before. (note the spelling of "dryer" as "drier" in the description of the dryer...)
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Post# 37389-4/9/2004-00:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: I wonder then, if '62 was about the first year of the "Signature" name, at least as it applies to laundry equipment, and perhaps the first year of Norge manufacturing?
The frontloading Westinghouse made washers they sold were also called "Wardamatic", and I'm thinking they were sold either concurrently with or right after the 1957 topload models shown in the POD. Perhaps they went with Westinghouse as a source, being that the POD washers are apparently Apex, who went out of business shortly thereafter. Does anyone know if the frontloaders overlapped with the Norges, or ended when the Norges were brought in?
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Post# 37390-4/9/2004-00:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
E-mails from another user
MESSAGE: Deleted by the webmaster due to irrelevance.
That's strange because I never really considered myself a good appliance photographer anyway, and those Frigidaire pics look better than the ones I took...
"I also enjoy the knowledge you share about appliances. It makes for some very interesting posts."
This message is somewhat ironic since I really don't have a vast knowledge of appliances yet.
I AM NOT a homophobic, and I DO NOT have a problem whatsoever with anyone being homosexual on here, and I hope I don't offend anyone with this message, because that is not my intention. I also don't want to scare anybody away from sending me pictures of their collection; I can VERY EASILY distinguish the "harmless" emails from the bad ones. It's just that it makes me uncomfortable when I think someone is trying to "hit" (more or less PREY) on someone much younger than them.
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Post# 37391-4/9/2004-00:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced- - Only use vintage)
MESSAGE: Good idea because it seems that vintage appliances are starting to gain value, and also are a LOT better made.
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Post# 37392-4/9/2004-00:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced- - Only use vintage)
MESSAGE: I am starting to build up a "stock or collection" of vintage appliances as well. I have had too many bitter experiences with new ones.I am looking for a Hobart made KA dishwasher to "replace" the New KA one.The older model would go with my 1972 vintage house better.I do like my newer KA fridge though-works pretty well and I have been happy with it.Same with the GE Advantium oven.I use the oven every day.-either as a microwave or a speedbake type oven.I still have the "vintage" GE oven that came with the house-still works-I plan to keep it at this point.My cooktop needs two new burners though.The swap shop where I buy most of my appliances is looking for burners.He said he would give them to me for free.I have bought MANY washers from him.I check with him regularly for interesting vintage ones.
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Post# 37393-4/9/2004-00:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced- - Only use vintage)
MESSAGE: Yes I am also looking for more vintage washers as well.I will make space for them any way I can amongst the vacuum cleaner collection I have.I don't have a large basement like many applianceville collectors have.Could a house addition be in the distant future??Its hard to say if these will gain in value-I haven't seen any "blue books" that catalog applaince values like for other vintage collector appliances such as radios,fans and lamps.I do know two people that collect vintage radios.I book listing values for washers,dryers and other large goods would be helpful-same as for vacuums.Infor on these things is not easy to find.
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Post# 37394-4/9/2004-00:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Spellings-like Warings early spelling for "blender"-they spelled it "Blendor"I have a newer Waring blender-its marked "Blendor"-I also have a vintage one marked Blendor.
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Post# 37395-4/9/2004-01:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
1960 Wards POD
MESSAGE: Nice FL set, closely resembling the second-generation Westinghouse. Like the fabric-guide cycle selector and the "look-through" doors (even though it isn't a Weigh-To-Save). Interesting how they called the 11 lb. capacity "giant", when the 80's brought machines with tubs TWICE as big!!
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Post# 37396-4/9/2004-01:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD
MESSAGE: Those are nice FL machines.Like the control panels-Wards is being really fancy here.Not usually like them.I guess an 11 pounder would be colossal for those days-compared to the typical 9 pounders.Later Wards machines seemed to be more "plain Jane" compared to this set.In our family we always had Kenmore.Knew of 2 or 3 Kenmores in our family history.Only one Norge-and this set is not it.The Norge wehad was not a Wards machine-don't know offhand where it came from.
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Post# 37397-4/9/2004-01:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Portable Pics (more twintubs)
MESSAGE: In the UK twintubs were very popular and were used much longer than in the rest or Europe or in the US. One of the reasons there is a Yahoo group dedicated to twintubs. If you're interested just click on the link below.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/twintubemporium/
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Post# 37398-4/9/2004-08:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Portable Pics (more twintubs)
MESSAGE: A good example: the Hoovermatic. It had a long production run, from the 50's to the 90's if I'm not mistaken.
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Post# 37399-4/9/2004-08:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1957 Wards POD (Not Norge)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott, no the Westy designs were not in the '57 Wards Catalog, only the Apex machines. I suspect that '57 was the last year of Ward-Apex machines, but we will need to find the 1958 and 1959 Wards Catalog to be sure. I tend to doubt that the Westy/Norge brands overlapped in the same catalog, but they could have.
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Post# 37400-4/9/2004-09:02 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Portable Pics (more twintubs)
MESSAGE: Has anyone ever seen or heard of a Speed Queen Supertwin? It has a SQ agitator (smaller version) instead of an impeller and the small spin tub to the right. Great agitation. Does anyone have any info on these?
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Post# 37401-4/9/2004-09:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Portable Pics (more twintubs)
MESSAGE: Not sure, but it sounds RARE...
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Post# 37402-4/9/2004-09:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced- - Only use vintage)
MESSAGE: The fact the vintage is indeed better not only applies to washers but to refrigerators and vacuum cleaners as well. We have an '83 Whirlpool Special Edition Refrigerator that my parents bought new when they were married (too bad they didn't buy the BD washer/dryer set as well). After 21 years, it's still going strong--not a thing wrong with it, and EVERYTHING WORKS. If you keep the condenser clean underneath by vacuuming out the lint/dust/etc. buildup, it will run like new. Also, my 1970 Hoover Convertible 1020 actually weighs the same than a cheap GE Bagless upright that's twice as big!
--Austin
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Post# 37403-4/9/2004-10:01 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: Hey,
Until I read your post, I did not notice the smaller pic at the top of the ad.
That is a very cool looking set. I did not know that Wards offered this model as a front loader.
It is a Westinghouse made machine right? Did the Washer have the oval window like the Westy's?
Who made the dryer? Was the dryer made by Norge? Or by Westinghouse? Fantastic looking set!
Has anyone come across any of these washers? Just thinking that if Westinghouse made it, there could be some still out there. Since the Westinghouse machines held up so well if they did not rust.
Great Pictures of the Day lately!
Thanks
Brent
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Post# 37404-4/9/2004-10:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD
MESSAGE: Well, when you think about it, store brand washers were the "inexpensive alternative" to name brand washers, so that would make sense that they usually were a little more BOL and "spartan."
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Post# 37405-4/9/2004-12:03 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (growing them on the Farm)
MESSAGE: No one has one, but I know where a dryer is...
-ph
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/peterh770/detail?.dir=/Farm+pics&.dnm=ABDwardamatic.jpg
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Post# 37406-4/9/2004-12:08 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (growing them on the Farm)
MESSAGE: Thanks for posting the pic, Peter. It was a thrill to see one of these in person when we were in S. Dakota. Brings back great memories.............
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Post# 37407-4/9/2004-12:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: Back to yesterday's 1957 POD--does anyone here in Applianceville own an Apex or an Apex-made washer?
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Post# 37408-4/9/2004-12:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (crazy thoughts)
MESSAGE: Memories? Looking at those pics again brings back the itch to go back...
-ph
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Post# 37409-4/9/2004-12:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (growing them on the Farm Thanks for the pic pete!)
MESSAGE: That is really a cool looking dryer!
Who built them for Wards?
Did you take this one home with you? (don't slap - ain't nice)
Brent
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Post# 37410-4/9/2004-13:02 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Portable Pics (more twintubs)
MESSAGE: Yes,go to Twin Tub Emporium and under photos click on Speed Queen,there is a Speed Queen super twin.
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Post# 37411-4/9/2004-13:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: Yes, I found a 1953 Model Apex Wash-a-Matic back in 1996. But I was new at washer restoration and "over-tinkered" the machine to the point where I thought it was a lost cause. It had rust in the outer cabinet (no outer tub) so I wanted to sand it down and paint it. But in the process of getting the wash tub pulled out I ruined the top bearing and a few other things. So I got rid of the machine thinking that I only want to save room for stuff that is working perfectly and I will find another one some day. Of course now I realize just how extremely RARE a vintage Apex washer is :(
And to make it worse, with the knowledge I have now, I could have easily fixed that machine. :( :( Sometimes we have to learn the hard way, and boy does that still hurt.
Now finding another Bouncing Basket Apex it at the very top of my wish-list. It was a very fun, splashy washer, with a window lid and lots of Drama! The machine I had was the second one from the left.
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Post# 37412-4/9/2004-13:37 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Portable Pics (more twintubs)
MESSAGE: I remember seeing/hearing of them, and learned more recently that these were made by the British company "Servis", where the machines were known as "Servis Supertwin". My friend in the UK has some of them, they are very cool machines!
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Post# 37413-4/9/2004-14:01 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
Hoover twin tub brochure
MESSAGE: Seems like there are a lot of twin tub fans, so I thought I'd put this e-bay link up for an (Australian) Hoover twin tub sales brochure. Quick question for members, how many of you like to collect vintage manuals and sales material as much as the machines? For me, it's been almost as fun as the machines themselves.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3671209888&rd=1
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Post# 37414-4/9/2004-14:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: What a sad story, especially since an Apex automatic washer was such a rarity. (reminds me of the sad story about somebody throwing out an ABC Dryer that somebody posted a while back)
Just thought I'd add my view on the Apex machines.
They look strangely modern for their time, with interesting styling. The early machine somewhat resembles an ABC-O-Matic, and the lid resembles the AMC Coronado. The second machine (like the one you owned) resembles the early Hotpoint machines. The third machine's cabinet and lid resemble an early Kelvinator, while the vertical control panel again resembles some 50's Hotpoint machines. The BOL machine on the right has the vertical knobs, and if there was another one on the left, the control panel would resemble that of a WV-35 Pulsamatic.
Also, when the Apex washed, did the basket just bounce, moving the clothes around its odd-shaped agitator, or did the machine agitate as well as bounce? Also, how much suds could an Apex make?
--Austin
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Post# 37415-4/9/2004-14:56 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: WOW, Look at the prices of those APEX washers!That's what I'm assuming they are!
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Post# 37416-4/9/2004-15:09 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hoover twin tub brochure (Brochure)
MESSAGE: Yeah- I like the brochures and sales stuff too. You're right, it is almost as much fun to collect the photos, ads, etc. Old catalogs, whatever...
Although the other Classic Appliance members seem to collect everything, like knobs, agitators, detergent boxes and so on
Jerry
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Post# 37417-4/9/2004-15:45 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: Those are not retail prices when the machines were on the market. They are prices or finders fees that collectors are willing to pay now to get one.
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Post# 37418-4/9/2004-20:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dw tryout (stuck timer and water valve)
MESSAGE: "solder"
valve might have grit stuck in it if inlet screen is bad, or might be a calcium buildup in it.
Surprised it has a metered fill, rare in dishwashers. Almost always a timed fill, sometimes with float overflow protection.
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Post# 37419-4/9/2004-21:27 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (plastic outer tubs)
MESSAGE: There were some plastic outer tubs on the belt drives but in over 21 years I only remember seeing 1. It was on a full size Kenmore and I believe it was around a 1971 model.
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Post# 37420-4/9/2004-22:06 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
Tub CFt and Lb Laundry Capacity?
MESSAGE: Is there a ratio of tub size to laundry capacity by pound(for top loaders- I know it would be different for front loaders) If I have a tub that fits 18 lbs of laundry and is 3 cu ft, then is a 2.5 cu ft tub only able to handle 14.8 lbs? How did they figure load capacity per the washtub size?
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Post# 37421-4/9/2004-22:59 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
Chinese Twin Tubs
MESSAGE: Out of curiousity, I typed "twin tub washers" into my browser last night. I wish I would have written down some of the links I came across since I couldn't find them today.
It seems that this type of washer is still used widely in China. There were several new models available. The most interesting thing is that, for such an old style of washer, these models were very current....even sleek-looking. The console styling was up-to-date, and the propellers appeared to be well thought-out. Some had curved vanes, some had mini-propellers in-between the main vanes. A few models used blue and green plastic to accent the white plastic. Some of the cabinets were decorated with various laminates...such as cartoon characters, or wildlife (i.e. pandas).
All of this made me wonder how different cultures perceive laundry and products used to complete it. Furthermore, in a culture that is pretty advanced, why are so many partially-automatic machines being used? It's a good thing "add to cart" was not an option. That would have been a real temptation!!
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Post# 37422-4/9/2004-23:23 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tub CFt and Lb Laundry Capacity?
MESSAGE: The lb rating on a washer can be very deceiving. Manufactures can change their capacity rating by increasing the the horsepower rating of the drive motor. I know Norge and Whirlpool both increased their capacity rating by going from a 1/2HP to a 3/4hp motor on some models without changing any of the tub dimensions. I think it is AHAM that does the testing and it seems like it depends on how well the washer moves the clothes not just on how big the tub is. I'm not sure how it is determined tho. I remember working on a Ward's 16# and a 20# machine and being able to swap spin baskets because they were the same size but had a different capacity rating because of the HP of the motor.
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Post# 37423-4/10/2004-00:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tub CFt and Lb Laundry Capacity?
MESSAGE: Interesting. When did Whirlpool use a 3/4 HP motor?
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Post# 37424-4/10/2004-00:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tub CFt and Lb Laundry Capacity?
MESSAGE: Interesting. When did Whirlpool use a 3/4 HP motor?
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Post# 37425-4/10/2004-01:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (plastic outer tubs)
MESSAGE: I believe I was told these were experimental and only on a few models for one year...
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Post# 37426-4/10/2004-01:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Chinese Twin Tubs
MESSAGE: Space, cost and water conservation.
I was in Bangkok a few years ago and for lack of space, cost of machines and utilities, most laundry is done by hand (with a bucket and various brushes, boards & plungers or is sent out to be done at a drop-off laundry. We spent some time in a department store and probably half of the washers on display were twinnies along with f/l'ers and impeller top loaders rounding up the lot. There were also two full-size American sets for sale, Maytag and GE. It's funny you mention the cartoon characters, Hello Kitty was really big when I was there - plastered to everything! Most washing was hung out to dry, even the drop-off laundry near my sister's apartment dried our clothes on racks at the front of the store, essentially on the street. They used a BOL Hotpoint (old style-porcelain tub) with cold tap water. The university she attended had a community laundry for students which consisted of many laundry tubs, one automatic and three twinnies. No dryers. An electric appliance for laundry seemed much more of a luxury than I had expected.
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Post# 37427-4/10/2004-02:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: Last weekend, we made a road trip to Minneapolis to visit with the boys up there and to pick up a set of pink Maytags I found advertised in the classifieds here. We had such a fun time every day, there's always so much to do and never enough time, but we did all we could! We also picked up a similar Maytag washer to the pink one so I did some triage and 'battlefield surgery' to make one good machine from the two. The pink washer had been really, really appreciated over the years, in addition to the oil slick under the machine, hard water had taken a serious toll. I stripped the pink skin and put it on a much nicer set of guts (an A202 from about '64) The 202 didn't show nearly as much wear as "Pinkie" so should serve a fine replacement.
A couple of the other great highlights of the trip were getting to help install and see the first load ever in the turquoise 1966 Maytag 806 washer & dryer that Don brought home from Ohio a few weeks ago. It was a real thrill to see those machines in new/mint condition and they worked beautifully. Robert's RCA color television and new Philco washer in action were more great sights, both were much better than I'd imagined. The Philco turnover with 7 sweatshirts was quite impressive and no tangling!
We had an absolutely great time and I did enough shopping to guarantee another trip up to Minne soon! Thanks again for hosting us, Don. I'm still trying to work off all the great food!
I took a few pics of the washing fun -
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/album?.dir=/5776&urlhint=actn,ren%3as,18%3af,0
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Post# 37428-4/10/2004-06:16 ||| appliancelover (Upstate New York)
SUBJECT:
HELLO
MESSAGE: I just recently found this wonderful web site. I have been fascinated with appliances for as long as I can remember. Until I found this, I thought I was alone in my continued interest in appliances.
Although I don't have any collection, I still enjoy looking at the beautiful vintage machines.
I am more of an amateur than many of you. I am really impressed with how much you know about so many different brands and models. I have already learned a great deal from all of you!
I also really enjoy the POD. It has brought back many memories!
John
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Post# 37429-4/10/2004-07:24 ||| AndrewInorlando (Winter Park, FL)
SUBJECT:
RE: HELLO
MESSAGE: Welcome to the group John....they really are all a terrific bunch!!
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Post# 37430-4/10/2004-08:02 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LK dw tryout (stuck timer and water valve)
MESSAGE: your correct, it is timed fill with air pressure switch overflow protection just like on my '56 mobile maid, which i had to bypass that and reduce the incoming flow to rely on a timed fill to bring in the proper amount of water, which worked out perfectly. I will check the fill valve for "dirt", thanks for the tip :)
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Post# 37431-4/10/2004-08:04 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: HELLO
MESSAGE: welcome John, I have made some great friends here and many fine acquaintances that have been VERY helpful to me .....
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Post# 37432-4/10/2004-08:40 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: HELLO (Welcome)
MESSAGE: Welcome John
I also am from New York and love appliances
Peter
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Post# 37433-4/10/2004-09:24 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: HELLO
MESSAGE: Welcome John, from another John. The Northeast is getting populated with "appliance lovers". We may be able to have our own "wash-in" soon!
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Post# 37434-4/10/2004-09:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: Oops!
I couldn't see the pics because you didn't set the album to public. I know when I create an album Yahoo defaults it as private.
--Austin
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Post# 37435-4/10/2004-10:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: D'OH!
I always forget that, it's like programming a new washer and forgetting the SPIN!
All better now - sorry guys!
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Post# 37436-4/10/2004-10:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
"eBay Unimatic" update
MESSAGE: I checked the WO-65-2 auction a while ago, and the seller mentioned that they plugged the machine in. They never said if it agitated or not, but the motor works and the tub still spins at 1140 RPM! So, anyone in NY, here's your chance to get a WORKING 1950's Unimatic Washer!
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Post# 37437-4/10/2004-12:00 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: HELLO
MESSAGE: We welcome you to the group with a great box of Tide and a bottle of Joy!
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Post# 37438-4/10/2004-14:20 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg for sharing the pictures and all the fun with us. Sounds like you guys really had a great time. That was an awesome sight of the control panels all lite up in the dark.
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Post# 37439-4/10/2004-15:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Holy Phosphates Batman
MESSAGE: I went to an estate sale over lunch yesterday that had a basement full of unopened detergent boxes, the most I have ever seen in my life. Being on a tight time schedule I grabbed what I could yesterday and I planned on going back this morning. Most of the good stuff was gone, but there were some a few treasures left…
By the way, does anyone recognize the two olive green boxes in the upper right hand corner of this picture?
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/TodaysDetFind.jpg
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Post# 37440-4/10/2004-16:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: "eBay Unimatic" update
MESSAGE: Yes. Maybe working...
We still have our fingers & toes crossed for you Eddy - the long wait is nearly over!
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Post# 37441-4/10/2004-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman
MESSAGE: Wow - what a haul!
Never seen those green boxes before - some sort of water softener?
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Post# 37442-4/10/2004-16:15 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman
MESSAGE: What a wonderful find of vintage detergents. The only thing missing is a box of Dash in red. I can't figure out what the green boxes are unless service issued detergents. I can't wait to find out. Thanks for sharing these. My aunt used fels in her wringer on my uncles work clothes. It has its own special scent. I remember the scents of vintage detergents well. There is nothing today that matches. I can recall going into my friends homes thru the back door thru the service porch and you could smell the detergents the family used. Tide, Cheer, Breeze, All, had their own special scents. What a blast. This made my day and brought back many memories. Dano
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Post# 37443-4/10/2004-16:24 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag?? (Good Times!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks so much for posting all of the fantastic photo's!
You guys did so much work!
I can't get over Don's Maytag set! That is such an amazing set! Not to mention the Lady K's sitting next to them. I must have missed a post, but how did Don come to find a unused pair of 1966 Maytag's? Fantastic! Don your laundry room looks great!
The pink set that you worked on and changed out the tub, did you have these up and running in your laundry? They are in wonderful shape! Gotta love that pink!
Thanks once again for the pictures!
Brent
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Post# 37444-4/10/2004-16:31 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (What a great lunch!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I bet you were so excited to find such a large amount of unused detergent. What do you think is the reason that these people were saving these? I think that it is great for the collector, but I always wonder why they stocked up on so much stuff, and never came around to using it.
The olive boxes...I remember many years ago that a goverment truck would come through the neighborhood, and you could go to it and buy cheese, eggs, etc. One of the things that my great grandmother would buy was detergent. It looked like a box like yours, and it smelled awfull. My mom would buy her a box or two of Tide or something that was on sell so that she would not use the goverment stuff. Granny would use the goverment soap instead, saying that it cleaned so much better, and not open the Tide. (I guess I answered my own question about the unused detergent that you found)
Thanks for sharing your pictures.
Brent
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Post# 37445-4/10/2004-16:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: "eBay Unimatic" update
MESSAGE: Hopefully Eddy will win the Uni and not someone who plans to use it as a garden ornament or a "conversation piece".
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Post# 37446-4/10/2004-16:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (WOW!)
MESSAGE: What excellent finds Robert! And look at those MINT rolls of Bounty and Scotowels; there's something you don't see every day! Great vintage detergents/fabric softeners, both old and "new"!
Also, how is your new basement coming along? Judging from the background it's a carbon copy of your old one--back to the 50's, complete with blue/black/white linoleum! Did you take any pics yet?
A suggestion about the website:
Even though I have little website knowledge, you should think about putting an "index" page for the TEMP folder. Some VERY interesting appliance and detergent pics there!
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Post# 37447-4/10/2004-17:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Early 60's Hotpoint; it's easy to tell because there's no "fountain filter." An interesting fact is that Hotpoint used this insignia (or name logo; I'm not sure exactly what you call it) from the 60's until the introduction of the "new design" in 1995.
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Post# 37448-4/10/2004-17:05 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tub CFt and Lb Laundry Capacity?
MESSAGE: I can remember at a WP service meeting that we had and the service trainer talking about using a 3/4HP motor to increase the capacity rating, but now that I am trying to look into it a little more and verify it, I can't. The old gray matter is just not what it used to be. Maybe like, Bobby Ewing, I woke up to find out it was all a dream. (Dallas?)
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Post# 37449-4/10/2004-18:05 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: Greg, outstanding pics. That agitator is one of my earliest memories of maytag automatics. I loved the way the tub filled over the top of the agitator on full water level. I loved that agiotator being shorter than the tub. Swoon!!!
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Post# 37450-4/10/2004-19:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: Great Maytag and Dispensall pics. I like the agitator on the pink Maytag, as it resembles that of the Maytag Wringers. The 1966 Maytags look great installed, and the turnover looks VERY impressive.
Is the pink Maytag an earlier or BOL model? Most Maytags (including the '49 AMP) had fabric softener dispensers in their agitators.
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Post# 37451-4/10/2004-20:03 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Old detergents)
MESSAGE: I could not identify the two olive green boxes to the upper right...but WOW! There is a box of Drive just like I remember it when I was a kid. Yellow box and arrow. The other thing I remember is that it had a strong clean fragrance. I wish some of these detergents were available for sale on Amazon. I used a detergent booster called "Axion" in the early nineties. I loved its scent, and it was available almost anywhere in Michigan (Meijers even carried large boxes). Then it disappeared. I also remember a fabric softener called "Rain Barrel", which could be added to the wash cycle.
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Post# 37452-4/10/2004-20:15 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Old detergents)
MESSAGE: This has made me want to collect a box of dry detergents, which will probably be really cool years from now. I had an idea a few years ago (1997) to store away my Sunday newspaper with all of the appliance store sales flyers, so that I could share it with family and friends about 30 years from now. Within 7 years, I'm sure some of those washing machines already look really outdated!! I haven't tapped into the paper, and am committed to keeping it stored away.
As for the detergents, believe it or not, several of the gas stations around here have perfect sizes of powdered detergents that would lend themselves well for collecting and storing. I might take this up as a new project. There's really no big price to it, and years from now it can be a lot of fun!
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Post# 37453-4/10/2004-21:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Many are still around after all those years)
MESSAGE: While all of the vintage detergents/supplies are collectibles, the one that are the REAL rarities are obviously those that aren't being produced anymore. I searched the Household Products Database and found that Drive Detergent, Lux and Chiffon dish soaps, and whatever additive in those weird green boxes are no longer existent. Everything else is still being made (yes, Bold, Oxydol, and Fels Naptha still exist). Just a note that Scott Corp. is not selling paper towels under the name ScotTowels anymore, so these should be a little more collectible. Just thought I'd fill you in on more information about these detergents.
--Austin
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Post# 37454-4/10/2004-22:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (The Green Mystery Boxes)
MESSAGE: Good information Austin! Thanks. Well here are close ups of the Green Mystery Boxes. I really am not sure exactly what they are for, but maybe this woman was a tester for Procter & Gamble??? She had two wringer washers in the basement, both Maytag's and there were no hookups for an Automatic anywhere, so it was obvious to me that she only used wringers all of her life and hung the wash to dry on the clothes line in the backyard as it looked very, very tattered.
By the way, those ScotTowels were marked 1949! I bet paper towels were a brand new product after the war.
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/mb.jpg
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Post# 37455-4/10/2004-22:50 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: I've always liked that logo too. I wish they would bring back some of the wonderful scripts and insignias/emblems from the early days. When we were hunting in Cleveland last fall, one shop had hundreds of vintage freezer doors from the single door refrigerators. They were beautiful works of art, seeing that must have been as stunning as a new car!
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Post# 37456-4/10/2004-23:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: I've never had one of these agitators in an automatic washer before, this one is in relatively poor shape, damaged by hard water. The pink cabinet is from a P124 model Highlander washer. The 202 machine we also picked up had the same agitator which was in much nicer condition but ruined by a chunk missing from the skirt. The Highlander models had different, less deluxe cabinets, top and lid but did offer two speeds, filter-agitators etc. on various models. A Super Highlander washer offered a little nicer control panel, a pilot light above the dial and little heavier lid with ball hinges. (see linked picture) Maytag didn't offer fabric softener dispensers in the agitator until well after the introduction of the filter-agitator in the helical drive models. They did have a dispenser accessory that fit on top of the filter-agitator, but I've never seen one - only drawings in service manuals. The early AMP style machines had no dispensers as they used a float device in the agitator to measure the water level. As the water level rose in the tub, the float cap (or can in the first AMP) moved up and actuated a switch in the lid.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Maytag&.dnm=f13c.jpg
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Post# 37457-4/10/2004-23:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (The Green Mystery Boxes)
MESSAGE: How fun - I wonder what formula is in those boxes and why she didn't use them...
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Post# 37458-4/10/2004-23:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: Oops!
I hadn't looked at those AMP pics in a while and forgot the agitator had that oddly complicated float lidswitch contraption. I wonder what would happen if the float didn't trip the mercury switch...
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Post# 37459-4/10/2004-23:38 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: HELLO
MESSAGE: Howdy from Texas. I was in shock and awe when I found this group, which actually originated on Yahoo. It has been a fantastic learning/sharing experience.
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Post# 37460-4/10/2004-23:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (The Green Mystery Boxes (Could be experimental...))
MESSAGE: Well it's for certain that what was in these boxes was definitely not your garden-variety detergent, considering the lack of graphics and weekly use information. I wonder if this was some sort of experimental formula Proctor & Gamble was working on at the time? They could have easily field-tested it in random areas, with housewives, after using it, giving their opinion of the cleaning ability.
Typical 40's scenario: A salesman/advertising executive from P&G dressed like a normal civilian going door-to-door with armloads of experimental detergent boxes, asking suburban housewives to use them for 4 weeks in the family wash...
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Post# 37461-4/10/2004-23:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (HPD Link)
MESSAGE: Here's a link to the Detergent page on the Household Products Database. It seems that some of these long-existing detergent brands only have one type of detergent and are very hard to find in stores, which in turn makes people believe they aren't being made anymore.
LINK: http://householdproducts.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/prodtree?prodcat=Home+inside&purpose=Laundry&type=detergent/soap
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Post# 37462-4/11/2004-00:23 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: "eBay Unimatic" update
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, I need all the help available! Hopefully the pump wasn't damaged by running it dry like that after being empty so long. BTW I love "Pinky" and your turqoise set, they're gorgeous.
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Post# 37463-4/11/2004-01:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: "eBay Unimatic" update
MESSAGE: Well, the seller didn't mention any odd noises, smells, or smoke when she ran the machine on "spin", so there's a pretty good chance that the pump's OK. Not sure about the tranny; maybe a little oil and hot water will get it working 100% again. It might need a little agitator work too, and definitely new seals.
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Post# 37464-4/11/2004-01:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: "eBay Unimatic" update
MESSAGE: I have to add, while the exterior of the machine is in good shape, after looking at the controls and the interior I was a bit skeptical that the machine would run. The fact that the motor and spin still work after years of sitting in a basement is a miracle itself, which make it an even better Frigidaire find than it was when it was listed!
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Post# 37465-4/11/2004-01:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: HELLO
MESSAGE: Hello, welcome and have fun!
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Post# 37466-4/11/2004-01:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: It sure was a fun weekend, and all those beautiful machines! :)
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Post# 37467-4/11/2004-01:26 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman
MESSAGE: What a wonderful array of goodies all in one place to add to your already lovely collection!
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Post# 37468-4/11/2004-01:28 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: "eBay Unimatic" update
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy!! Best wishes with your auction! It is great to *see* you!
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Post# 37469-4/11/2004-08:27 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
LongBeach Wash In w/Lucy
MESSAGE: Hey Don Jetaction, those new Maytags are great! Save some soap so I can use then when I visit in a couple of months. Mike,Rich golittlesport, Juane Kenmore 1978, and I met last night at Mikes house. Did the first loads in Mikes new 1964 GE FilterFlo set. The washer worked beautifully. My junkyard clothes came out spotless. Followed then with dinner and Lucy in her home Freezer, on 8mm film that Mike has, then more on video.....great evening with fun people and a lot of laughs. Pics to be posted soon.......Thanks guys!
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Post# 37470-4/11/2004-12:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Blackstone Control Knobs on eBay
MESSAGE: Bakelite/Catalin control knobs from a 50's Blackstone washer. Good for spare parts or to bring your Blackstone controls back to working order again.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3809388139&rd=1
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Post# 37471-4/11/2004-17:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Do You Believe in Maytag??
MESSAGE: The no-frills Dependable Care washers must be today's equivalent of the Highlander series.
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Post# 37472-4/11/2004-18:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Kenmore Visimatic Wringer on eBay!!
MESSAGE: Early 60's Kenmore Visimatic Wringer in excellent condition! Works great, wringer and full skirt in great shape, with the exception of some light surface rust around the bottom. Anyone near or in Illinois should definitely consider this rare beauty!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12&item=3716992842&rd=1
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Post# 37473-4/11/2004-19:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Turnover in the Philco
MESSAGE: Well I took a few video shots of the '59 Philco today, they came out kind of dark, but you can still get the idea of how wonderful the turnover is...
Loading the Philco (4.0mb)
Philco Automagic Washing (4.8mb)
I'll make more with better lighting soon.
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Post# 37474-4/11/2004-19:28 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: LongBeach Wash In w/Lucy
MESSAGE: Hi Filter Flo,
Yes, we all had a great time. I will post the pictures and some short video clips of the machine in action later in the week (Tuesday night I hope).
Your chili was great and the four of us almost devoured my pineapple upside down cake. The 1957 Wedgewood Holly can sure cook up a gormett meal for a load of folks.
Thanks for the diagnosis on the LKs I got last week. I was glad to show them to you and golittlesport. They are a great set. Glad I have plenty of time to do some parts hunting and repairs.
It was great to see all the cool stuff at the Rose Bowl antique swap meet too. Your company made it a lot more interesting.
MK in LBC
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Post# 37475-4/11/2004-19:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Amazing, I'm sold on the Philco Automagic!)
MESSAGE: Wow! These Philco videos speak for themselves! Too bad they don't make these anymore; Philco/Ford would literally corner the washer market and really put some of the "innovations" to the test. I saw some small clips of your other Automagic with the red agitator and the clothes just moved around clockwise in the tub, with no turnover whatsoever. However on this one, the turnover is just unbelieveable; it's like watching the WCI-58 or WV-35! This seemed to be a fairly large load too! It's also very continuous and really pulls the clothes under; I couldn't believe it pulled that towel (not sure what it was) into the tub! As far as the action goes,
very interesting. I'd say it was half Calypso, half Pulsamatic, since it was very rapid agitation. And isn't that your "new" vintage Tide that you used in the Philco today?
I'm convinced; this is just one amazing, effective, and entertaining washer!
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Post# 37476-4/11/2004-20:19 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Visimatic Wringer on eBay!! (Kenmore Visimatic)
MESSAGE: My neighbor has one in much better shape, all white, with original owners manual, works great, in collectors condition. What do you think we should ask for it?
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Post# 37477-4/11/2004-20:24 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kenmore Visimatic Wringer on eBay!! (Kenmore Visimatic)
MESSAGE: If this person's asking $50 for it, maybe you should consider $150.
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Post# 37478-4/11/2004-20:51 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco
MESSAGE: Great Video, great machine! What are the mechanics behind it's incredible turnover? Is it like a hybrid Frigidare Jetcone and a regular agitator combined?
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Post# 37479-4/11/2004-20:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: Sounds like you should have sent the cabinet and cabinet parts to an auto-body shop for painting.It would be worth the cost-they have the equipment to sand,acid wash and paint and bake the enamal paint. People usually don't have the equipment and baking kilns at home.A machine such as that-Shove it into a corner and think about what you need to do to it.Make a list of what needs to be done and go from there.Its like when I have my gun collection adn run into one that needs work.Like that wassher you need to be careful or you could destroy the collector value of the specimen.The gun in question then becomes a "shooter" or the washer-for a user than a collector.In the case of some things its undesirable to try to make the item look like it just rolled off the assembly line.
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Post# 37480-4/11/2004-21:03 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco
MESSAGE: Here's a link to another Philco Automagic that Robert (Uni) restored. The two machines are nearly alike except for the color of the agitator (and the one secret to the incredible turnover!). Some of these photos show close-ups and details of the unique, as well as simple, agitator mechanism.
--Austin
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/philcobendix
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Post# 37481-4/11/2004-21:38 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Awesome!)
MESSAGE: Wow Bob! Once again I salute you. Those videos are wonderful. (The lighting is fine, IMHO.) This is probably about as close as I'm EVER going to get to a Philco Ford Automagic. They had such a small market share -- at least here in New Jersey -- so I never knew anyone who had one, and never go to see one in operation.
Thanks for sharing! :-)
Mike
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Post# 37482-4/11/2004-21:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (The Green Mystery Boxes)
MESSAGE: How good of shape is the "vintage" detergent in-I don't blame you if you don't open the packages because of their collector value.It would seem with the standard cardboard box packaging the detergent would store over a long period of time-they package it to be used soon after purchase.
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Post# 37483-4/11/2004-21:47 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Amazing, I'm sold on the Philco Automagic!)
MESSAGE: I agree. Philco Ford made some of the most handsome and innovative washers I've ever seen. (Only in pics. They had a very small market share -- at least here in New Jersey. I never actually knew anyone who had one. I've said this in other posts, I only remember seeing ONE Philco dealer (it was near the old Somerville Circle) when I was growing up). I also agree, the Automagic wash action is very similar to Whirlpool's Calypso. For some reason, Consumer Reports never really liked Philco's (what did THEY now). I suspect that's part of the reason why they didn't sell well. Who cares what Consumer Reports said? I would probably own a Philco (or an I-18 if they were still around :-( ) if they were still being made. (And if I didn't live in an apartment.)
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Post# 37484-4/11/2004-21:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Old detergents)
MESSAGE: It would be intersting to check your Sunday paper after 30 years.It would probably be falling apart.-and browned.Newspapers are usually printed on a very inexpensive grade of newsprint paper that is not rinsed of the processing acids after its making.The moisture in the air combines with the acid residue in the paper causing it to brown and rot-getting brittle and falling apart.
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Post# 37485-4/11/2004-22:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tub CFt and Lb Laundry Capacity?
MESSAGE: The main deception comes from the nature of various fabrics that we have.The all have varying density and weight.When they say "14"Lb washer-14 Lbs of what fabric?I think its interesting ab out the sizes of motors with relation to the washer tank.Makes sense.When they come up with the "20" pouinder from the 16 pounder with the 3/4 Hp motor do they use a different agitator?Norge-Wards machines.
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Post# 37486-4/11/2004-22:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced- - Only use vintage)
MESSAGE: Yes I would DEFINENITLY take the hoover vac over the GE Bagless machine.The GE is what the vac industry calls a "dumpster vac" It will last only a few years-not worth repairing when it breaks-you just throw it out and buy a new one.I too have a few old Hoovers-A 1929 model 475 and a 1957 model 31 Convertible. Both run just great.They are quieter and better built than new Hoovers.I bought the new KA fridge because the old Kenmore I had was very ratty looking came with the house.The new KA draws less power.But I bet that old Kenmore would still work. Hope it has a new user.The appliance store took it away when the brought the KA. Didn't have room for both and don't need two fridges.I would like to have an older hobart built KA dishwasher. Most of the homes in my neighborhood have them.I have been in 3 neighbors homes and they still have their old KA dishwashers and they still work.Have offered to them I would buy their machines if they replace them.
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Post# 37487-4/11/2004-22:41 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco
MESSAGE: The rollover in this machine is so awesome to watch like the Jetcone and the DD Kenmore's.
Thanks for sharing!
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Post# 37488-4/11/2004-22:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: I would figure the "finders prices" are for a machine in usable operating condition?I would guess that Apex was a rare brand-never dealt with them.
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Post# 37489-4/11/2004-22:48 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: Now that 60s/70s Tide box brings back wonderful childhood memories of the 1970 Kenmore 800. The smell of old tide and the smell of Downy April fresh is the scent of my early laundry days.
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Post# 37490-4/11/2004-22:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Amazing, I'm sold on the Philco Automagic!)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, remember, the other Philco I have had a bad rubber agitator disk, I tried remaking the disk, with red rubber, and it didn't turn over the clothes as well as the original. And no that huge box of Tide from the late 60's (shown in the video) is from an estate sale find from a few weeks ago when I was with Greg and Don.
Glad you enjoyed the videos!
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Post# 37491-4/11/2004-23:30 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Vintage vacuums are the best)
MESSAGE: I definitely agree on the GE being a "dumpster vac". After only 2 years, our GE's starting to have its share of problems. It's quiet enough, but after a week it started making this strange buzzing noise in the beater bar. I took it apart and found that a small part was loose and I couldn't tighten it any more than it already was.
I use the Convertible and my Dial-A-Matics more than I do the GE because that noise is so irritating when I use it on hard floors. Also, the Convertible's beater bar is no match for the GE's helix brush. You'd think it was meant to brush hair it's so soft, which explains why I still pick up dirt with the Convertible after I used the GE twice as long, in the
same area. The Convertibles and DAMs also feel solidly built (and are), and not like the handle will break off in your hand.
An
extremely good example that vintage is better:
The wet/dry, or Shop-Vac vacuum. I have 3 Shop-Vacs, a poly-tank 16 Gallon from 1991/92, a steel-tank 5-gallon from 1989 I believe, and another steel-tank 5-gallon from 1980. All three are
very powerful machines, but I was really surprised when, after I had the 16 gallon for a while, the two 5-gallons arrived. Both of them had
identical suction power to the 16-gallon, even though they were nearly 4 times smaller, and the motors had a lesser HP! I had a Hoover 6-gallon and Genie 5-gallon machine before, and the hose would always clog. The vintage machines can handle anything, and the '89 model is the absolute BEST at cleaning the carpet (with the respective Steam-Team attachment of course).
The 3 vintage Shop-Vacs, Convertibles, and DAMs will be running long after the crap they make today hits the bottom of the dumpster (and explodes into bits of plastic at the same time).
--Austin
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Post# 37492-4/11/2004-23:34 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco
MESSAGE: Well, the Philco, Jetcone, Three-Ring, and Pulsamatic have great rollover, but the
DD Kenmore is awesome to watch??? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!
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Post# 37493-4/11/2004-23:36 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: Actually it says at the beginning of the "Wanted Ads" that the machines can be "working or not".
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Post# 37494-4/11/2004-23:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: I would imagine the "not working" specimen would be one that could be repaired or restored.
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Post# 37495-4/12/2004-00:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (Vintage vacuums are the best)
MESSAGE: My mother used to have a hoover Dial-A-Matic-but it got traded in when she bought a Panasonic.she said the Hoover still worked.This would have been about 8 years ago.I used that DAM at her house all the time she had it. Replaced the belts a few times.It had a metal lower body-not wimpy plastic.The body pivot points RARELY break on those DAMs.They break all the time on the newer plastic machines.Panasonics,sharps,etc.Note that these are COPIES of the Hoover DAM.The Hoover patents went public many years ago on the DAM.I grew up with Kirbys also.I specialize in these.They have been maintaining their quality pretty well.The new Kirby Diamond edition Outperforms other machbines I have tried and have in my collection.The Kirby salesman was Fascinated with my copllection and even helps out. Get several machines from him.I also sell Tri-Stars and get some interesting machines as trade-ins.I to have two shop-vac type machines-one is a Shop vac-Their premium model that sells for $1400 that I got for $350.Its a good performer-true bypass motor.A separate fan cools the motor independent of the suction fans.The other is an external filter Tornado-This type of machine has a large cloth filter bag that goes on the motors suction fan outtake.these don't clog like internal filter machines do.Also you can use it for wet pickup by simply dumping dry debris out of its tank.You do not have to remove the filter.It has a 15A motor and picks up anything that goes down the hose.External filter machines are rare these days but most efficient.I am looking for an NSS "Bronco" vacuum-it was man external filter machine made by NATIONAL SUPER SERVICE.I really like their products,have three of their M1 "canister" ext filter vacs.
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Post# 37496-4/12/2004-00:11 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (New Automagic would be a success!)
MESSAGE: It's somewhat disappointing that Philco-Ford had only a small percentage of the washer market, since they had such awesome potential after the introduction of the "blades-of-water" system. I really didn't think that CR
hated the Automagic in the 1959 report, but they did have a few gripes, like how the control panel dials were hard to grasp, and the lint filter was ineffective. The thing that aggravates me the most about CR is that they always complain about some minor, petty detail that an owner will most likely not notice. I've had a subscription since 1998 and in those 6 years they really do test and evaluate products more aggressively than any consumer
ever will.
However, if Ford reintroduced washers under the Philco line today, they would be an instant success because of the "agitator-less" craze, and because they operated like a
normal washer.
My main complaint is that most agitator-less washers, and even a few
with agitators, don't act like washers. They don't fill or cycle like a normal washer, instead fill with "spin-pulsations" and "detergent-showers" that are more of a show than anything, mainly because of the low-water scare we
seem to be experiencing. I don't think I've EVER seen a Calypso with a full tub of water, or a residential front-loader with water halfway up the window. I really think that one overflow-rinse cycle will clean better than 10 rinses with water barely an inch up the tub. I also think that a brand-new SQ will clean better than a Neptune TL, because it uses the time-tested design, and it operates like a NORMAL WASHER! It has the NORMAL straight-vane agitator, NORMAL control panel, and NORMAL cycles, as well as a NORMAL BD transmission. Maybe Whirlpool/Kenmore's Calypso, GE's Harmony, and Maytag's Neptune TL would be better if they had NORMAL cycles, like the Philco. Just filled, agitated, drained, spun, rinsed, drained, and spun again. Delicates would be washed in a FULL Mini-Basket, not a "shower" that barely gets any dirt out. So why don't people get the hint, throw water/energy concerns down the laundry sink, and make an innovative design that actually operates like any other washer and gets clothes twice as clean!
--Austin
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Post# 37497-4/12/2004-01:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (New Automagic would be a success!)
MESSAGE: Yes,I'm with you-get the govt out of the laundry room-throw out the water-energy regs.I feel that washer technology peaked in the 50's and 60's with the innovative designs such as the "blades of Water" and the Frigidaire jumping agitator designs.-They worked-and would still work today.Also the tradiditonal designs work too-everybody is familiar with them.If I had to buy a new washewr-I too would consider the SQ models.They are now longer marketed to the household market.They are under "Alliance Laundry Systems"wich are marketed to the commercial-industrial laundry markets. They make several models of their famaliar TL machines with either the straight bladed agitator or agitator that has curved vanes(looks sort of like a Whirlpool Surgilator)and they have SS tubs.They make matching dryers as well.These machines don't have coin meters. They also make the same models with coin meters.You would have to find an Alliance dealer in your area to get one and be prepared to pay $475-650 for the washer.I think it would be worth it-instead of the Wimpy models that other builders now make.I too subscribe to CU and they don't always test the wide variety of products on the market.Their vacuum cleaner tests are an example.Also I don't think they really know how to test the product in soime cases-Hi-Fi equipment.
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Post# 37498-4/12/2004-10:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire POD
MESSAGE: That's an agitub machine from the 70s. I'm glad I had the pleasure of watching (and videotaping) Todd Cox's Skinny Mini in action. It's a fun washer to watch.
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Post# 37499-4/12/2004-11:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire POD
MESSAGE: I wish they had
that kind of washer for the "value line" today!!! Then every kid could buy a Frigidaire! And I've always been intrigued on how an Agitub works. Jason, do you have copies of the Skinni-Mini video?
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Post# 37500-4/12/2004-11:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: I just finished watching the 1956 Norge videos, and I was surprised, with the long agitator stroke, that there was little turnover with the stock agitator. The Burp-A-Lator seemed to turn the load over more, but it was still only fair.
CR top-rated this machine in the '54/'55 report because of its cleaning ability, but if the clothes don't "circulate" in the tub, I would think that they wouldn't come out as clean as they would in a washer that did give better turnover, like the Filter-Flo, Frigidaire, or Philco (with OEM disk).
This also brings up the effectiveness of lint removal in washers; certain types of filters are much more effective than others.
1. Recirculating, or "active" lint filter--Would remove the most lint
2. "Fountain Filter" "active" in the sense that water flows continuously, but "passive" since it's built into the agitator
--Would remove slightly less lint than an "active" lint filter
3. Burp-Up, or "passive" agitator lint filter--Would remove an average amount of lint, but not as effective since it doesn't flow continuously
4. Flow-thru, "underwater", or Kelvinator lint filter--Would remove the least lint; lint would float or splash out of the filter
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Post# 37501-4/12/2004-11:50 ||| slapnslosh (Seattle)
SUBJECT:
Just how do you wash Orlon in a Maytag model 140?
MESSAGE: I think this item on Ebay is very cool. It's a sales tool that went with a Maytag model 140 and shows one exactly how to launder all those miracle new synthetic fabrics that started showing up post war. Seems to me if you own a 140, you should have this to go with it!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3671847553&rd=1
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Post# 37502-4/12/2004-12:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Amazing, I'm sold on the Philco Automagic!)
MESSAGE: About 2 years ago Jimmy (FilterFlo) found a Philco with Flex-A-Wash. Aside from the agitator style, how was this different from the regular Automagic?
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Post# 37503-4/12/2004-12:34 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
unimatic update
MESSAGE: Anyone notice how the bid has suddenly spiked up to $360.00?
It hadn't moved all week, and wham!
Jerry
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Post# 37504-4/12/2004-12:42 ||| impellerator (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Help! Maytag DG608 has stopped drying
MESSAGE: I've had my beautiful Avocado Maytag DG608 (and matching washer) for a little over a year now, it has been solid as a rock, until last night. The drum turns, but there is no heat. Opening up the access panel on the lower right, I can see a heating element click on, glow bright orange, and click off again. I assume this is the device that would ignite the gas burner?
The last load that was successfully dried in this machine has a strange chemical smoky smell to it. The gas is on in the house, and the lint trap and hose are clean.
Any pointers as to what to look for?
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Post# 37505-4/12/2004-12:46 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Philco turnover
MESSAGE: That machine is amazing, just as I thought it would be. It reminds me of the motion a mixer makes, like a hand mixer. I also think "blades of water" and "high frequency action" doesn't do it justice in naming the action it makes either.
Robert, you are quite the videographer too. It's not clear though, does the whole agitator move, or is it just the disk on the bottom? I would have thought that the detergent would have created more suds though, especially with that kind of action....
Jerry
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Post# 37506-4/12/2004-13:13 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT:
Norge cleaning ability/turnover
MESSAGE: Norges cleaned so well without fast turnover because of the combination of the long stroke and the large upper agitator fins,the clothes were in constant motion while on top of the tub-all the cleaning did not have to occur at the bottom.Also,the clothes stayed at the bottom long enough to get the benefit of the lower fins-sort of a controlled turnover if you will.
tom
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Post# 37507-4/12/2004-13:50 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! Maytag DG608 has stopped drying
MESSAGE: If the igniter is glowing, that tells you that the timer, motor switch & thermostats are OK & one of the coils on the gas valve is bad. There are 3 coils on the gas valve-it looks like only 2 but 2 of the coils are stacked. You can either use an ohmmeter to figure out which one is bad & replace just the one or get a kit and replace them all. I'm not sure if Maytag has a kit for all 3 coils but the Whirlpool #279137 kit will work. It could also be the sensor, but in over 21 years I have only replaced 1 that I can remember. Glen.
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Post# 37508-4/12/2004-13:53 ||| impellerator (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
POD 4-12-04
MESSAGE: Forget the room full of Frigidaires in the picture, I want the salesman's necktie!!
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Post# 37509-4/12/2004-14:05 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (You the man Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks so much for taking the time to do the video of your Philco!
That machine is fun! I just can't get over the turnover! When you through that big towel in, I was shocked how fast it pulled it down, and turned it over. You hardly see it happen that fast with other "regular" agitation machines. Very impressive.
How fast is the spin speed on this machine? I could not tell from the video, but is it a totally solid tub? Or does it have the solid tub attached to the inner tub that has holes. Kinda like the Maytag AMP solid tub style.
Thanks once again for the video.
Lot's of fun.
Brent
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Post# 37510-4/12/2004-14:13 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD 4-12-04 (POD/necktie)
MESSAGE: That necktie could stop traffic! In fact you wouldn't need traffic lights, just wear the tie and you could cross the street with no problem!
Do you realize everyone is color coordinated to the appliances in the ad? I don't know if I would buy a used car from that saleman though. I guess the Frigidaire would sell itself though.....
Jerry
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Post# 37511-4/12/2004-14:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: Actually those prices are for the machine itself, despite whether its working or not. The condition is mainly based on esthetics and completeness, the amount of rust and physical wear, etc. We don't want the sellers tinkering with these machines to get them to appear to be "working" because they think they will make more money that way, they will end up doing more harm then good.
I have thirty something vintage automatic washers, maybe one or two of them were in "usable" operating condition when I found them, and if they were, they didn't last long and soon after needed work. These machines are not just used washing machines; they are antique machines and need a good going over before being put into service.
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Post# 37512-4/12/2004-14:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco turnover
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, actually the whole agitator moves, but the bottom half moves a lot more than the top half. The video shows the first few minute of wash, by the end of the wash cycle you couldn't see the turnover because of a nice layer of suds. When I get a chance I will film the machine with the tub empty so everyone can see the movement of the agitator disk.
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Post# 37513-4/12/2004-14:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (You the man Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, you are correct in your asumption that the Philco is a solid-tub washer with an inner basket liner, just like the Maytag-AMP or the '47 Frigidaire. The machine spins about the same as the ABC 550rpm or there abouts. It water extraction ability is slighly better than the ABC or belt-drive Whirlpool becase it has a 8 or 9 minute final spin.
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Post# 37514-4/12/2004-14:30 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
Philco Automagic Video
MESSAGE: I've been gone for 2 weeks and missed the video of the Philco. I buzzed through old posts, but don't see a link to said vid. Where can I find it? Thanks!!
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Post# 37515-4/12/2004-14:36 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Automagic Video (Philco Video is post #37473)
MESSAGE: Hey there,
The post number is #37473.
The video links are in the post. Not as a link.
Watch it! I will make your day seem brighter!
Brent
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Post# 37516-4/12/2004-14:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Congratulations to Eddy for winning his first Unimatic!!!
MESSAGE: Hey Eddy, I’m
tickled pink that you won your very first Unimatic! You'll have that machine up and running in no time, between all of us we could probably build a spare mechanism from the NOS parts we have, so you covered there. How are you getting it home to Vancouver?
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Post# 37517-4/12/2004-14:44 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
Philco Video
MESSAGE: Thanks for steering me, Brent! I must have buzzed through the posts too quickly the first time. Thanks for the awesome video, Uni! I've always wanted to see one of these machines in action. I'm surprised the detergent dissolves and distributes itself with so little agitator post action. Does the detergent fall to the bottom of the agitator where the mad flapping action takes place?
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Post# 37518-4/12/2004-14:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Video
MESSAGE: Glad you enjoyed the videos! The lesser amount of movement of the agitator post is very deceiving. If you pull out the filter/dispenser module during agitation, you see a huge vortex of water flowing though the agitator post in a circular and downward motion, similar to a ocean whirlpool that traps ships. This motion draws water and detergent down through the lint filter and out onto flapping post in a matter of seconds.
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Post# 37519-4/12/2004-15:08 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: Well, I have to say as I have said before, turnover by its nature doesn't necessarily mean better washing performance. The Norge didn't have the "turnover" or "rollover" - straight vane agitators were not designed to "roll the clothes", but the clothes were moved through the water quite effectively, hence fine washing results. For years when GE used the straight vane activators - their washing performance was always rated as "among the best" by CR.
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Post# 37520-4/12/2004-15:18 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (no need to guzzle more water!)
MESSAGE: I agree with you. My new LG 2032 is living proof.
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Post# 37521-4/12/2004-15:52 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Turnover in the Philco )
MESSAGE: Robert I realy like the turnover of the Philco - I didn't realize it was that good - I heard mixed things about the turnover - Is it the larger tub philco thad has a slower turnover? Thanks for the great video
Peter
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Post# 37522-4/12/2004-15:55 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire POD (Frigidaire POD)
MESSAGE: Hi Jason,
Is their any video that has a adjtub washing - I never had the experience of seeing one work. I was always so disappointed that they didn't have the jet action. But I would like to check it out before I make a judgement
Peter
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Post# 37523-4/12/2004-16:24 ||| impellerator (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! Maytag DG608 has stopped drying (Thanks for the tip)
MESSAGE: Thanks, Glen!
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Post# 37524-4/12/2004-16:36 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
New to the site
MESSAGE: Hi, I'm new to this slite and I can't stop checking it out! I thought I was the only guy interested in vintage washers. Anyway, what happens to the posts after they reach the 100 mark? They seem to disappear. Yet, they are not in the archives. How do I view posts from 3199 to 37499?
The Norge agitation was fantastic. Late 60's, early 70's they speeded up the stroke a bit, but it was still a long stroke. On the Suds cycle, the lid would lock closed or else you'd get a bit splashed! I wish they were still made that way.
Thanks
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Post# 37525-4/12/2004-16:49 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: New to the site
MESSAGE: Hi Matt, Welcome to Classic Appliances. Im from Ohio too, Akron area. Where are you located? I see you like Dexter washers....good for you! They are great!
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Post# 37526-4/12/2004-16:52 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: New to the site
MESSAGE: I'm from Boardman. My first experience with Dexters was as a 4 year old. My mother had a twin tub Dexter. They were fantastic!
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Post# 37527-4/12/2004-16:52 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New to the site
MESSAGE: The archive section only includes posts through # 31999.
You should be able to use the PREV button that's at the top left on the pink index pages to skip through to old posts.
I believe there's a section (maybe more than one) of pink index pages that are blank due to a glitch
You can also right-click on a current post, select "open in new window," then edit the number at the end of the URL in your address bar field to view a specific post.
As a starting point, your post below is this URL
http://classicappliances.com/NEW%20DISCUSS/DISCUSSION%20POSTS/37524.html
Change the number at the end to 34569 (for example) and hit Enter, and that post will then appear
http://classicappliances.com/NEW%20DISCUSS/DISCUSSION%20POSTS/34569.html
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Post# 37528-4/12/2004-16:56 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: New to the site
MESSAGE: Thanks DADoES. I nearly bumped my head on that "previous" button, before I saw it!
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Post# 37529-4/12/2004-17:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco turnover
MESSAGE: That's exactly what I thought too; the agitator more or less "stirs" the clothes.
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Post# 37530-4/12/2004-17:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congratulations to Eddy for winning his first Unimatic!!!
MESSAGE: Congratulations on finding a Unimatic with an
overflow rinse too!
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Post# 37531-4/12/2004-18:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1960 Wards POD (Thanks for pointing out that it is a front loader!)
MESSAGE: With the type of machines wanted-and their uniqeness-I wouldn't want the seller to "fix it" either.Makes sense.Rare machines aren't ordinary as you say-need special parts and attention.Same could be said for the vacuums,guns,movie memorbilia that I collect.-also I have a small collection of movie projectors. Would rather get it "as is" than have the seller or previous owner try to "fix" it.I have a 35MM Holmes portable that I will have to "unrepair" the exciter lamp connected to the "framing Lamp" connection.The way it is-if you connected it to a photocell preamp-you would just get LOUD hum.The sound exciter bulb must be lit with DC voltage.-That is usually supplied by the sound preamp.Was repaired by someone that doesn't understand how those items really work.
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Post# 37532-4/12/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: This makes a lot of sense-The straight vane agitator forces the clothes thru the water.At that point any oscillating agitator forces the clothes thru the water.-The straight blade ones have more action.Could also say the same thing with the "wavy" vanes on the WP surgilators.Also the large vanes incorporate more air inter the water making suds-like a chefs wisk with creme or egg whites.
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Post# 37533-4/12/2004-18:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco Video
MESSAGE: If I am seeing the video clip on the agitation-looks kinda like the agitator post is doing sort of a "hula" dance-vibratory action.-a fast giratory action.-has very short motions but very fast.Would be interesting to film it again with that detergent- filter part removed.
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Post# 37534-4/12/2004-19:21 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: I downloaded an watched the Philco link (thanks!). It was entertaining. I could see that the wash action was created by an up-and-down motion. However, I couldn't make out the structure of the agitator (in the video, clothes were put into the tub with barely a glimpse of the bare agitator beforehand). From what I could gather, it looked a little like the old three-ringed Frigidaire agitator. Does anyone have a clearer picture or description?
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Post# 37535-4/12/2004-19:23 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire POD
MESSAGE: I've been around Frigidaires my whole life,and never saw a set like that.Sure would like to have the Poppy 220 3 door in the background,though!
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Post# 37536-4/12/2004-19:23 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: New to the site (Hi Matt!)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the site. I'm from CT. There are loads of people interested & involved with it, and all seem like really good people. It's amazing how interesting the talk is, and you'll learn stuff along the way about how appliances work, and the photos and videos are great. Check out the members links and their collections and "farm trip" photos- they're really cool
Again welcome, and we're not alone...Yay!
Jerry
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Post# 37537-4/12/2004-19:33 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: I too can remember the way Tide and Downy used to smell in the '70s!! I remember the same scents lasting until about the mid-'80s before they were "updated". They're indescribable, but I'd recognize them if I smelled them. I can also vividly remember the way a washer's tub used to smell after removing a finished load washed in Tide. That combined with the visual of a black/gray speckled tub and gold Kenmore Roto-Swirl is a nice memory.
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Post# 37538-4/12/2004-19:42 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Old detergents)
MESSAGE: Good point there. I'll probably check on it soon. I'm hoping that since it's still rolled up in the same open-ended bag delivered by the carrier, that exposure to oxygen has been minimized. It's always been in a cool dry place, so I'm hoping for the best. This paper would probably have a Montgomery Wards flier in it, back when they had a few washer models of their own. I'll have to resist pulling it out to read it!
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Post# 37539-4/12/2004-19:51 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (DD Kenmore Agitation vs. old Roto-Swirl)
MESSAGE: OK - I have to agree. My parents had a direct-drive Kenmore series 80, new in 1987 (it was one of Sears's first direct-drives). Even though it had the auger top, if you blurred your eyes while watching it, you could see no movement whatsoever (in the agitator or the load).
In contrast, the 1971 Kenmore 800 they had before that was equipped with a Super Roto-Swirl. My Mom would usually fill the washer with clothes before starting it. However, there were a few times when she let agitation begin with a full tub of water, without clothes, so that she could add them gradually. That turbulence could suck someone into the tub from across the room!!
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Post# 37540-4/12/2004-20:06 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
DD Kenmore Agitation vs. old Roto-Swirl
MESSAGE: To add to my last post, it's interesting that the new direct-drive agitators shimmy really quickly while creating questionable turnover. One thing I remember about my parents' 1971 Kenmore 800 is the extreme turbulent water patterns the Super Roto-Swirl would create, while the agitator cap sticking above the water line seemed to rotate calmly back and forth on its axis. The violent movement of the water and the calm steady appearance of the agitator cap was a perfect visual complement.
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Post# 37541-4/12/2004-20:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: If you're using Media Player, just click the "pause" symbol when the video starts, giving you a better glimpse of the odd "flapper-style" Philco agitator.
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Post# 37542-4/12/2004-20:22 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
Member link problem
MESSAGE: Has there been a problem with the website lately? I was browsing through the member links section tonight and noticed the link that I set up a couple of months ago has disappeared. Any ideas?
Dennis
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Post# 37543-4/12/2004-20:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco turnover (Agitator Torque)
MESSAGE: I imagine that the agitator wobbling in circles instead of oscillating puts less of a strain on the motor, which creates a higher agitator torque than with most machines. And if the Philco can handle a queen-size comforter and still be able to turn it over, then a good amount of torque is converted from the motor to the transmission. Quite impressive if this machine has a 1/2 or 1/3 HP motor. But it really wouldn't be pretty if someone got their hand caught in the agitator; the bottom half could probably take off a limb...
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Post# 37544-4/12/2004-20:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Member link problem
MESSAGE: I added a link to my (small) collection and it somehow disappeared as well. If there has actually been a problem with the website, Uni hasn't mentioned it yet.
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Post# 37545-4/12/2004-20:58 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Member link problem
MESSAGE: So I'm not the only apple in the basket with this problem. Ha! Ha! I guess I'll just add it again.
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Post# 37546-4/12/2004-21:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: No it doesn't go up and down at all. It wobbles similar to the Calyspo or should I say the Calypso wobbles similar to the Philco. Here is a new video with better lighting which should help. The second scene is agitation in slow motion...
This following video is 4.5mb. It's probably best to right click on the link below and select save target as, save it to your hard drive and then view the video.
LINK: http://68.89.57.239/VID/PHILCO/PhilcoLoad.wmv
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Post# 37547-4/12/2004-21:12 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Wow Robert,
That is a real great video that realy shows how the philco works.
Thanks again,
Peter
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Post# 37548-4/12/2004-21:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Again, the wash action looks impressive and would probably make some serious suds with low water. The high water "vortex" looks powerful and should be the key to good turnover. Interesting how the detergent dispenser/lint filter work. Comparing the Calypso's wash action to the Philco's is like apples & oranges; nowadays the Philco could really put the Calypso in its place, out of production.
As far as cleaning ability goes, how would you rate it?
I know in the CR tests they judged the lint filter ineffective but it was one of the higher-rated machines as far as dirt removal goes.
Great "Behind the Scenes of the Philco" video!
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Post# 37549-4/12/2004-21:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: When I looked at your film clip-very impressive-The "base" disc wobbles a lot-very fast-with an action like a Calypso very much faster.It still looks like the barrel of the agitator does a "hula" dance.The turnover reminds me of the action in a blender container more than a washer.The agitator has a Gyratory action rather than an up-down recriprocating of the Frigidaire.
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Post# 37550-4/12/2004-21:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco turnover (Agitator Torque)
MESSAGE: The action of the clothes in the Philco comes from the powerful currents in the water imparted by the wobbling base disc of the agitator.The Agitator really doesn't move the large object like the comforter at all-but the powerful water currents the agitator generates.The water currents in that washer resemble the currents in a blender container.If the base disc could damage your hand-would it damage clothes also?
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Post# 37551-4/12/2004-21:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: DD Kenmore Agitation vs. old Roto-Swirl
MESSAGE: Exact same thing I noticed when I compared the DD KN 80 I used to have to Roto-Swirl equipped washers or even Surgilator equipped WP washers.The DD action was very weak compared to the long powerful strokes of the BD machines.The only times I had seen the agitator cap move off its axis is when the washer was agitating a heavy load or large objects.I have a Kn800 that has a Variflex agitator.Its currents don't seem as great as the Roto-Swirl or the Surgilator.It seems like the DD machines need the dual ac tion agitator with the auger to move and turnover clothes.
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Post# 37552-4/12/2004-21:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: Its sort of weired-maybe my smeller-When I use Tide with the "bleach" it sort of has an off-unpleasent note to the oder in both the washer tub and the clothes as you put them in the dryer.After they are dried-they smell pleasent again.Its the Tide with the "Original" scent. Don't remember the off oders when I or my mother used it long ago-but without the "bleach"I can't find the Orig scent WO bleach in my area.The stores here carry mostly LIQUID detergents.Don't like these as much.
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Post# 37553-4/12/2004-21:55 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, I just finished getting the first two videos downloaded, still in the dark age with Dial up here so it takes a long time!! They were just great!! I couln't believe how much you were able to put in that load and still have that fantastic turnover. What size load was the machine rated for? Over the years I have never knew anyone who had a Philco machine. They were just never pushed in our area. Any idea where they might have been popular? Great machine and great videos. Thanks so much for sharing.
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Post# 37554-4/12/2004-21:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Norge cleaning ability/turnover
MESSAGE: I saw a KN stacked "combo" machine that had an agitator with large upper vanes and large lower vanes like the Norge.It was in the neighbors house next door to mine in the townhome complex.His KN machine was a stacked one with the dryer at the top and washer on the bottom.It was in one cabinet. He complained that the washer took the buttons off his pants and jacket.Mine didn't have an agitator like that. It was a regular straight bladed one that sort of looked like a bowling pin with a base on it.I remember the large top blades on the Norge we used to have when I was a little Kid. The base vanes on that agitator were HUGE-and with holes in them.It was a Burp-up lint dish one. The lint pan was metal-and like it had a Chrome finish.Was very shiny.
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Post# 37555-4/12/2004-22:02 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: When I was very little we had a Norge machine with the "burpilator" agitator. Had large top vanes and Huge base vanes with holes in them.The lint pan was metal and had a Chromed shiny finish. Remember the large balls of lint that got caught in it as the washer worked.Seemed quite effective.-Its because you SEE the lint rather than having it flushed away as with the auto-cleaning lint traps.
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Post# 37556-4/12/2004-22:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Old detergents)
MESSAGE: Try keeping your paper in a cool dry dark place-The plastic bag may cause more problems-it traps the acid vapors in the paper-instead of circulating them out.Taking it out and looking at it may be a good thing.
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Post# 37557-4/12/2004-23:04 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congratulations to Eddy for winning his first Unimatic!!!
MESSAGE: Thank you so much Robert, you can't imagine how thrilled I am! Shipping it will be a spender, no doubt, but the plan is to have it brought to a warehouse in Seattle. This will save not only on the costs, but avoid the nasty brokerage fees at the border. I was planning a trip there anyway to visit a friend in a couple of weeks and this will be a perfect time to pick up the new treasure.
Thanks everyone for your encouragement and a full report with pictures will come in a few weeks time.
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Post# 37558-4/13/2004-02:20 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Great video! It shows very good how this machine is working. I'm quite impressed with the action.
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Post# 37559-4/13/2004-02:24 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Congratulations to Eddy for winning his first Unimatic!!!
MESSAGE: Hey Eddy,
Congratulations. I can't wait to see the full report!
Louis
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Post# 37560-4/13/2004-02:30 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: Check out this beautiful machine!
Its in South Australia. Are there any Aussie members out there who would like this wonderful machine?
If only it was in Sydney...
I would imagine this model to be mid sixties. It has a solid ribbed tub and black agitator similar to the Norge.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3809384671&category=20714
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Post# 37561-4/13/2004-02:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD metal outer tubs)
MESSAGE: Even 4 years ago a 1976 machine is WAY beyond it's normal "life cycle". When a machine (any machine, not just washers) is kept repaired beyond that, things start going bad that normally make it all the way to the scrapyard as a good part. Hers is even older than mine (1978), and I noticed the last time I was in there that the outer tub is rusted enough that the clips that hold the basket ring no longer have anything to grab onto. Seems to be rusting from the top down. I ended up siliconing the ring to the tub and depending on that and the downward pressure of the snubber to hold it down. So I imagine hers rusted through in some place below the water level at a place that was probably a "weak spot" from the time the machine was new. In all the BD machines I'ved worked on, I've never seen one that leaked because of outer tub rust-through. It was always one of the rubber parts or the agitator shaft seal.
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Post# 37562-4/13/2004-02:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (GE appliances for Sears)
MESSAGE: Yes, they do now.
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Post# 37563-4/13/2004-04:17 ||| appliancelover (Upstate New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the video of the Philco. It was very impressive. I never knew anyone who owned one, so it was new to me. Manufacturers could take some lessons from some of the older models like this one. They could give the newer machines a good run for their money!
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Post# 37564-4/13/2004-04:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (higher priced- - Only use vintage)
MESSAGE: The thing I've noticed about modern refrigerators is that they seem to last as long (as least the actual refrigeration system) as the old ones. what's gone to hell auxiliary parts and the interiors. Our 80's GE runs just fine, only problem is that the defrost drain tube clogged up. But the shelves the crisper drawers fit into are falling to pieces. And I've seen that same syndrome in other newer refrigerators. You seem to end up with an operating wreck after a few years.
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Post# 37565-4/13/2004-07:31 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: That is amazing. Is there some kind of hinge or joint between the agitatior disc and the post?
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Post# 37566-4/13/2004-08:01 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Wow, thanks for the great video, Uni! As several others have mentioned, not many of us have seen an Automagic at work. That agitator is enduring some major thrash, particularly toward the bottom.
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Post# 37567-4/13/2004-09:02 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: Cool pic. I'd love to see this machine in action. A real rarity.
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Post# 37568-4/13/2004-09:27 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: I totally agree with you about that fabulous fragrance of the "old" Tide "Washday Miracle" and its odor being left in the tub after removing a load of clothes. I'll never forget it. There will never be anything like it again. AND what a wonderful experience it was passing the clothesline full of those old Tide scented clothes or climbing into bed with fresh Tide scented sheets! Real strong. However in my case, it began in 60 and it was a white porcelain tub with a big fat black roto swirl, which by the way I still have and use! ((--::
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Post# 37569-4/13/2004-09:58 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT:
RE: DD Kenmore Agitation vs. old Roto-Swirl
MESSAGE: There is still nothing in my mind that beats the old roto swirl washing action. I use both the big fat black one and the gold super roto swirl and have two loads going at the same time.
Regarding the KM DD with dual action agaitator washing action--I have placed the same king size quilt in one of them and THEN placed it in my 78 big capacity belt drive Kenmore with the dual action agitator and the 78 will always pull that quilt down and around in the water whereas the DD will let it just sit there with no movement and I have to maually push it around in order to get washing action to all parts of it. I keep the 78 just for that reason.
Oh, and I was too quick to post my last message. I forgot to add the fact that the only reason I have my 60 Kenmore going once more is because of the very talented hands of Jimmy Filter-Flo who in early Feb of this year put it back together again. I only have a tub leak problem to take care of now and it will be better than new. The machine is running quieter now than it did when it was delivered by Sears back in 60. Once again Jimmy, thank you and I think of you everytime I use that machine.
I'm now awaiting an agi arm from him and will try my hand at installing it on my Frigidaire 118. That will be a feat for me as I have pratically no mechanical appitude at all! ((--::
My laundry room is half done and when I get it to a point where it will show fairly well I plan to take pix of my little vintage washer collection for everyone to see. I am very proud of it, small as it might be, but I'm working on it. I am also very excited about my recent finds-- a 60 Lady Kenmore electric dryer with clothes freshener and full lighted console(works fine but needs a new belt) and a 68 Kenmore with Vari-Flex with full lighted console which I would have passed up if it had not been for Jimmy Filter Flo's eagle eye, one afternoon when we were out "junking."
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Post# 37570-4/13/2004-11:51 ||| appliancelover (Upstate New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: DD Kenmore Agitation vs. old Roto-Swirl
MESSAGE: It sounds like you've got a nice little collection started. Can't wait to see some pictures of it!
One of my aunts had an early 60's Kenmore 80 Series. I think it must have had the same black agitator yours has. You didn't want to stand too close to it or you could have been pulled in. It had great washing action and really got clothes clean.
The first set I can remember at home was a Kenmore (matching washer and dryer). They were somewhat different in that, the dials didn't have numbers on them for the minutes. Instead, they had letters on the dials. I think they went from A to E or possibly F. I think these machines were probably from the early 60's too. It's been a long time, and don't remember all the details, but they were nice machines. They looked nice with the control panels all lit up with the basement lights off at night!
Keep up the good work on your collection!
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Post# 37571-4/13/2004-12:21 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: Very cool! The machine has a nice style to it.
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Post# 37572-4/13/2004-14:58 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: It is nice, that unit looks almost like a Speed Queen console combined with a WCI cabinet top.
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Post# 37573-4/13/2004-16:11 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: 70s Tide reminds me of both a blue speckled tub and a black rotoswirl (1966) and a white porcelain tub with gold SRS (1970).
Not to mention hearing the motor go "woo woo woo woo woo" while the clothes tumble in the thick foamy Tide suds.
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Post# 37574-4/13/2004-16:22 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: I always enjoyed the scent of Cheer moreso than Tide. Maybe because we mostly used Tide through the 60s and 70s, so Cheer was something different.
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Post# 37575-4/13/2004-17:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: On a more humorous note, the smiling mermaid swimming in the washtub while the machine was agitating in the 60's Philco "High-Frequency" ads must have been fighting for her life to avoid being "eaten" by the rapidly whirling agitator!
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Post# 37576-4/13/2004-18:07 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE: No,I'm not getting divorced,although it might happen if I bring this home!
Anyway,at the scrapyard,I spied a Maytag washer,model A104. Didn't get the serial number,do I need it to approximate the age? It looked to be early to mid 50's. Could probably get it for a few bucks,if not for free.Any thoughts?
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Post# 37577-4/13/2004-18:48 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: I am not sure where Philco would have been a major market share holder. Not sure why - perhaps advertising has something to do with it...... Maytag, Sears, GE, Frigidaire and Whirlpool all advertised on TV and in print. You almost never saw a Philco advertisement. I never saw too many of them in appliance stores either. The only two places I ever saw Philco washers was at Firestone dealers - sold tires and appliances. They carried several Philco models as well as a few Speed Queens. Also EJ Korvettes, when they sold appliances, had one Philco model on the floor. The other dealers here in CT just didn't carry them. Perhaps they were too different for the times........
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Post# 37578-4/13/2004-19:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: parts (WP DD metal outer tubs)
MESSAGE: She had it repaired under the terms of her contract.I think she can choose to have a new machine if they could not fix her old one.I wasn't there when the tub was replaced.Makes sense that the tank rust at the top where the water builds up from condesnsation while in use-esp with hot or warm water.I don't know if the shaft or agitator seals failed-would make sense that they would in a machine that old.I would assume the Sears tech replaced those as he replaced the tank.I wouldn't be surprized if that machine runs another 20years!In the broadcast sector I have to operate and maintain transmitters that are 40years old and others that are over 60 years old!Its the New ones here that don't work as well and need MORE maintenance than the old ones.We have to "make" parts for the old Tx's.The tubes are still availaible.
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Post# 37579-4/13/2004-19:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: I have never seen a Philco washer at all.Would like to see one in person though after seeing the video clips of how it works.Where were these primarily marketed? I also think Philco was more heavily promoting their electronic products at that time rather than the washers.(TV,Radios,Hi-Fi)
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Post# 37580-4/13/2004-19:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE: Just say it followed you home!!The poor washer wanted a new home-and to be adopted!
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Post# 37581-4/13/2004-19:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: Cheer was another one that I used to use and my mother liked it also.Was another she used along with Tide.I can also vaguely remember that Cheer was a BLUE colored powder detergent.Does my memory serve me right?The Cheer I get now is white-or white with blue specks.
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Post# 37582-4/13/2004-19:34 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: This sets the scene at my grandmothers house-the blue speckled tank and the big black Roto-Swirl agitator.I can't remember what detergent she used.She would let the clothes really pile up before doing them.The "woo-woo" sounds are common BD WP-KN sounds. The ones I have all make that noise while agitating.Its if they make a "woo-waa" sound then the belt needs tightening.
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Post# 37583-4/13/2004-19:38 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: Was just wondering about this wonderful machine....
I have watched the video over and over, and can't help but say that it is such a unique and advanced wash system for it's time. I just can't get over that this was 1959! When you think of the wash systems that were out during this period, Philco, Frigidaire and the W/D combos were the leaders in the pack as far as innovation. And it appears that the engineering was way ahead of it's time, and the respected company encouraged the engineers to be creative and take chances.
Here are a few questions that I would like to ask, and start some opinions / facts going as far as the "real" vintage washers are concerned.
1. Was the "automatic washer" too new for people to take chances beyond the traditional tried and true conventional agitation machines?
2. Was there a chance that the overall reliability of the new designed machines a factor in consumers staying away from them?
3. If newer machines were prone to problems, was the service keeping up with the demand?
4. Has anyone had any experence with the matching dryer to the Philco model, and what were your thoughts?
5. Was the dryer made by Philco / Bendix?
I can't help but say that the consumers that did purchase these machines were really into washing, and were really looking for a unique washing system.
I think the Philco Bendix machines were at the time the one of the most beautiful designed machines on the market. I think that was a big selling point for most consumers. JimmyFilterFlo has a Dexter Branded washer of this period that is wonderful. The colors alone that were picked in design make it look like the toughest commercial washer you could ever see.
I think that if I would have been an adult during this time, I would have had one of each of these unique wash systems. It is so cool for all of you that have worked and rebuilt your machines to make it come true now! Such talent!
Brent
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Post# 37584-4/13/2004-19:39 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: So true! I grew up in a Tide house...even for the hand washed dishes. What I wouldn't give for a case of Intensified Tide.....or a box of Dash! Are there any true low sudsers left besides Purex Tabs?
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Post# 37585-4/13/2004-19:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: Were there certain years or models that had speckled tubs? I don't recall seeing anything but white porcelain tubs in Sears belt drive washers, though I did see a few dark speckled ones in some direct drive ones, though the ones I have had of those have also been white.
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Post# 37586-4/13/2004-20:12 ||| variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)
SUBJECT:
POD - Beginners Luck
MESSAGE: In honor of todays POD, I am happy to be able to say that I am the proud owner of that dryer - filtrator in colonial copper no less, but it looks more like mocha. Must be beginners luck, but hey.... when I find the matching washer I will know for sure. I am constantly amazed at the knowledge and appliance prowess that exists here, and with my find I know im in good company.
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Post# 37587-4/13/2004-20:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: I wanted to post a follow-up to add something else:
Does anybody own a Hotpoint washer with the "fountain filter"? According to some members it was a combination of a burp-up and a recirculator; it was a continuous-flow agitator-mounted filter.
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Post# 37588-4/13/2004-20:46 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: What do you mean by "burp-up"? Is that the same as the filter system in the Norge video in the museum?
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Post# 37589-4/13/2004-20:56 ||| pturo (Syracuse, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! Maytag DG608 has stopped drying (Maytag Dryer Not Heating)
MESSAGE: Before I would monkey with the gas valves, I would check the sensor. It is a mirror like box thing with a little screen that "sees" that the glow coil is ingnited before it lets the gas valves open. Get an electric tester meter and place on the pos and negative side of the sensor to see if there is continuity, if there is, then go to the electromagnetic gas valves. If there isnt, then the sensor is blown, get a new one. My problem was with the sensor, which everyone told me hardly ever fails.
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Post# 37590-4/13/2004-21:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: Yes, the Norge clip titled "Lint Filter" shows a burp-up.
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Post# 37591-4/13/2004-21:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: While the Automagic and the other "high-frequency" machines are great, it's even more of an accomplishment to find an automatic Philco with a regular vaned agitator from the mid 50's. Rare is an understatement when anyone is referring to those machines, in fact, they're so rare, no Applianceville member to my knowledge has a working example (Jimmy FilterFlo did recently acquire one, and I thought he had another one at the time, so he has 2). When Philco-Ford introduced the High-Frequency System in 1959, this was the only method of agitation on their washers until their demise in the 70's. Philco wringers are somewhat more common than the automatics (but are rare nonetheless since it's a Philco washer), and I saw a 40's/50's Philco wringer on eBay a year ago. It was in near-mint working condition with two wash tubs (middle-mounted wringer), and since it didn't sell, the seller is probably using it. Something to the extent of "if this washer doesn't sell I might just keep it for myself..." was mentioned in the description.
Also, what is the difference between the regular Automagic and the Flex-A-Wash system? I've been itching to know!
--Austin
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Post# 37592-4/13/2004-21:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag AMP4 on eBay!!
MESSAGE: Here's a Maytag AMP4, needs major restoration and has tub rust, but everything is there and the outside looks good. Has a Maytag wringer-style agitator. Current bidder is an Applianceville member; good luck to Greg and keep your fingers crossed everybody!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11754&item=3809680906&rd=1
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Post# 37593-4/13/2004-22:24 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: Ooooh, a Simpson machine. I've heard many good things about this brand, and seen quite a few of them on eBay as well.
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Post# 37594-4/13/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: Yes-the watrer splashing action into the filter comes from the agitation of the agitator.No pumping the water is required.As I remember there were slots at the base of the agitator allowing the water to go up the agitator barrel then out of holes at the top so it can "splash" into the top mounted filter pan.My mother used one of these when I was quite little-but tall enough to watch it work.Was intrigued by that machine-trying to find one today.The one in the video clip was like what we had.-except it had a metal lint dish.Were metal lint dishes common to these machines or an aftermarket replacement?
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Post# 37595-4/13/2004-23:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: Last saw it about 30 some years ago-say the early 70's.The agitator was all black-with a black cap-and the tank was dark with the specles-sort of like enamleware cookware.Don't know how old the machine was.In fact its agitator sort of looked like the one pictured in the upper left corner of this sites homepage.Don't know what happened to the machine after my grandmother died.My cousins inherited her house.
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Post# 37596-4/14/2004-00:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: If only it was in the US! I would love to know what makes these machines "tick." Do you know if this was another cousin of an American design (like the Hoover-Blackstone family) or was it an original Aussie design?
Thanks for the link - always enjoy seeing classics from you guys!
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Post# 37597-4/14/2004-00:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: Robert has a fountain-filter agitator and the rubber tub seal to make it function but I've never seen one in action. I have a couple of these agitators and filter pans, but no rubber seal for the tub.
An "active" lint filter would be one that has a mechanism or a system to do the filtering such as a recirculating filter fed by the pump or an agitator version such as Norge or Hotpoint. A passive system would be one like the Philco, Maytag or early Hotpoint where the currents of the water pass through the filter - no other system or mechanism to create the filtering action. Many wringer makers had passive filter pans that depended upon the sloshing of the water into the pan to do the filtering.
But to throw a wrench into the works, we have the agitator mounted accessory versions like the Speed Queen "scoop and sling" style that pulled water up into vanes inside the filter and threw it into a pan. Whirlpool also had one of these available. I guess we'd classify that as an "active" filter but it's really a toss-up since the agitator is moving anyway and the filter is just along for the ride...
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Post# 37598-4/14/2004-00:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: I believe Robert had a working agitator Philco washer at one time. I found the one Jimmy has (56) at a junkyard in western Nebraska and he brought home the matching dryer from the farm on our trip up there two years ago. Playing with it for a while in the driveway, Jimmy got the washer running again - although very leaky from lack of rubber parts!
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Post# 37599-4/14/2004-00:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag AMP4 on eBay!!
MESSAGE: The A4MP was a time-fill machine and at the time, was a BOL model...about 1954-55.
The seller is quite honest about this washer - it's in pretty (really) rough condition and was found sitting outside in a junkyard. The top of the washer looks like it's rusted through, many of this style did that even kept indoors. I need this like another hole in the head, but I just can't resist since it's only 40 miles away, and it will be interesting to meet the seller who is a Maytag gas engine and wringer washer collector - mostly from the 20's & 30's.
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Post# 37600-4/14/2004-00:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: Was the Philco Automagic the TOL machine of their line and the straight vane models the standard ones of the lineup?
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Post# 37601-4/14/2004-00:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE: I don't have an A104 in my Maytag books, can you describe it a little more? Panel style, cabinet style, tub, etc. might be helpful. I suspect it might be an early 60's Highlander (the "A" is good clue) Does it look similar at all to the Highlander I just brought home from MN?
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Post# 37602-4/14/2004-02:11 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE: please forgive me on this, but as a big maytag fan, and with a 56 maytag "timefill" washer in my starting collection, will someone please enlighten me on what a "highlander" model is?I have heard the term used before, but haven't got any idea what that really is.
Rich-
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Post# 37603-4/14/2004-02:21 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: I am not sure.
I remember seening the very first Simpson automatic, it seemed a little similar to the beam machines that I have seen in collection photos. But I cant be sure. There arent many around to compare with.
Regular council clean ups means that Australian garages are largly free of junk and classic appliances. Though you can always spot a classic on the side of the road like our friend Gizmo has, but you need to have a suitable vehicle.
This simpson had a solid ribbed tub and was often called the fluid drive. It had a black bakelike agitator with four "S" shaped vanes. This version survived into the early seventies when they changed to a perferated tuba and lint filter agitator design similar to a Maytag agitator.
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Post# 37604-4/14/2004-05:11 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! Maytag DG608 has stopped drying (Maytag Dryer Not Heating)
MESSAGE: One other thing might be the ignitor itself. Although it glows,it might not be drawing enough current to open the valve.
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Post# 37605-4/14/2004-05:15 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE: I'll try and get back there today.From what I remember,console was flat,rounded corners,had a glass I believe back panel.
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Post# 37606-4/14/2004-05:42 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (70s TIDE!)
MESSAGE: Other than the detergents specifically identified as HE, the only low suds detergents that I know of are the Colgate Products - FAB, Ajax and Fresh Start powders. The liquids are NOT lower sudsing, but the boxes actually state that they are designed for use in top and front loaders.
When the "ultra" powders were first introduced in the early 90's - all of the Tide, Oxydol and Cheer powdered products were lower suds products. However after consumers launched a wave of complaints at P&G that their clothes weren't getting as clean they went back to high sudsing products. How ridiculous is that??????
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Post# 37607-4/14/2004-06:01 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: No, while the Automagic was probably TOL, it represented a complete redesign of Philco Washers at that time. From that point on, all Philcos had that wash system. Interesting though, Philco did keep their original "ball point balance system" on the new designs which was well liked by CR.
Also, there was really no difference between the "high frequency washing" and the "flex-a-wash" or "blades of water" . Those were just different marketing terms used by Philco at different times
The closest we ever came to owning a Philco washer was winning a $35. gift certificate toward one (which my parents simply refused to use)in a Firestone sponsored contest. Top prize was the Philco appliance of your choice. Since we didn't have a dryer at the time, had we won, that probably would have been what was chosen......
However, I did have opportunity to see a 1961 Miss America and a '67-'68 Custom Imperial in action. Two different friends in the neighborhood whose fathers worked at Firestone had them. Iteresting though, they all had Philco TV's, AC's and washers. Neither had Philco dryers or refrigerators. The Miss had the same incredible movement as Robert's Automagic. The Custom Imperial still moved the clothes pretty well. But the tub was much bigger (14-16lbs?) and the rubber wash disc was actually a bit smaller in diameter and had a definite downward curve as opposed to flat-wavy. Still an awesome machine with that beautiful lit control panel and robin's egg blue porcelain tub.......
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Post# 37608-4/14/2004-07:42 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (2000's Purex)
MESSAGE: Purex liquid with bleach is low sudsing. That's what I'm using in my front loader. You could use a full cap of it in a top loader and see very little suds and it rinses clean.
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Post# 37609-4/14/2004-07:44 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE: Sounds like a nice model, even if the machine is too far gone from being outside, you could still take it for the cabinet and top panels to use on another machine. The good thing is that there are lots of Maytags out there and finding a good one to use for parts is still relatively easy...
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Post# 37610-4/14/2004-07:45 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: Interesting information! All this time I thought an active lint filter was one that was built into the washer itself, making an agitator-mounted filter "passive", since it required no assistance from the washer, except agitation of course!
I guess I was wrong!!
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Post# 37611-4/14/2004-07:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE: The Highlander was the "budget" line of helical drive machines introduced in the late 50's. They didn't have lighted glass control panels and the cabinet design was a little different - chrome strip around the top, three screws on the front and sides to remove the cabinet. The little pink machine I just brought home from MN last week is a Highlander model.
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Post# 37612-4/14/2004-07:59 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: Interestingly, many of the BOL models didn't even have filters, active or passive. The BOL Philco didn't have the filter/softener dispenser in the agitator, some later GE models didn't have the filter-flo, WP/KM lacked any filters in their BOL models, etc. I guess that was the reason for selling them as "add ons" for those who felt they had to have them. My mother bought a Maytag BOL washer in 1981 that only had a cap over the blue agitator, no filter, dispenser, nothing. Guess what she got for mother's day that year!
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Post# 37613-4/14/2004-08:37 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag AMP4 on eBay!!
MESSAGE: This is the model we bought in 1968 while in college. Really a workhorse for us. Had two in diapers at the time. We found it at a used appliance store and bought for $15.00 (big bucks for college students at the time) but we were spending that much weekly at laundry. When we graduated in 1972 left it in the apartment.
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Post# 37614-4/14/2004-08:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: Hi Arrrooohhh, wow that washer is very cool looking. I would love to see the inside of that machine. Hmmmm, maybe I should email the sell and ask them if they can take a picture of the inside of the washer showing the tub and the agitator! Lets see what happens.
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Post# 37615-4/14/2004-08:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: My Philco seems to wash wonderfully. This model is the only High-Freqency agitator Philco I've ever seen so I can't say how the other clean. I don't know why CR rates the filter as ineffective, there is always lint in it after each cycle.
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Post# 37616-4/14/2004-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco turnover (Agitator Torque)
MESSAGE: That's silly, there are no exposed parts on the agitator that could take off a limb, all of the gaps between the agitator parts large enough not to pinch anything and they are sealed with soft rubber.
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Post# 37617-4/14/2004-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony, if I had to guess I would say that Philco was more interested in marketing their Television and Radio and other electronic products at that time as they had a much higher market share. I see vintage 1940's and 1950's Philco tv's constantly on ebay as opposed to any other type of Philco product.
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Post# 37618-4/14/2004-08:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: I can really only answer question 5, and yes the '59 Philco dryer was the Bendix designed dryer. I have the dryer, but have not plugged it in yet, because it needs a good checking out first.
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Post# 37619-4/14/2004-16:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco ('56 Norge; active/passive lint filters)
MESSAGE: If she bought a BOL Maytag, did she get a Filter-Flo for Mother's Day?
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Post# 37620-4/14/2004-16:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco turnover (Agitator Torque)
MESSAGE: I guess I could only see the large gaps in the agitator and not the seals that prevented anyone getting injured by it.
Also, have you seen a regular agitator Philco in action?
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Post# 37621-4/14/2004-18:05 ||| thorautomagic (Fairview, TN)
SUBJECT:
Repairing Welbilt WD 2000 tabletop W/D
MESSAGE: Several months ago, I bought a used Welbilt WD 2000 tabletop washer/dryer. (It was also sold under the brand name Avanti.) These machines were imported on a fairly large scale from Belgium during the 1970's and early 80's, and were featured in several mail-order catalogs and were, I believe, even sold through K-Mart.
The machine, even though it is over 20 years old, has given me good service until just a few days ago, when the heating elements of the dryer ceased to function. All other functions of the machine, both washing and drying, continue to work to perfection. Based on a careful reading of the owner's manual, I suspect that a "thermal cut-out" mentioned in the text (apparently a specialized fuse) has blown or failed. The manual states that, in any such case, the machine MUST be returned to the U.S. distributor for repairs.
The problem is that Welbilt Corporation sold off its entire small appliance/consumer appliance line to another firm some years ago. As you may have already guessed, that company, from what little I have been able to find out online, has since gone out of business. I have been unable to find ANY repair-related information on this little machine online--not even the name or address of the original manufacturer in Belgium! Hopefully, this is where you folks can step in and fill the gap. Is there ANYONE out there who has ANY information whatever about how I can repair this little jewel? I live in an apartment where regular washers and dryers are forbidden, so having a backstop like this is important to me, especially when bad weather makes going to the on-site coin laundromat difficult or impossible. (My apartment building is located at the bottom of a rather steep hill, while the buildings containing the laundromats are at the top.) Furthermore, I am now blind in one eye due to an inoperable detached retina, so driving a car is now impossible for me. Hence, I must either find a way to repair this machine myself, or find a way to buy another one on eBay. Even if I do buy another machine, however, sooner or later this problem is bound to crop up again as the machines continue to age and deteriorate. Any advice or assistance I can obtain from the Applianceville community will be most deeply appreciated!
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Post# 37622-4/14/2004-18:10 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
Oceans of Suds
MESSAGE: What detergents are considered high sudsing nowadays?
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Post# 37623-4/14/2004-18:41 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag (wrong #)
MESSAGE: I aquired the vintage Maytag today,along with a newer one.Boy,was I wrong on that model number! 8^) It is a model 140,serial 366037KJ. It's complete,but sad,needs a bit of everything.Glass in the console is good,as is the timer knob,agitator,and the hard to find stuff.Top has a couple of chips in the porcelain,cabinet is rusty.Any thoughts on age? There's a decal with patents on the back,and the newest one is 1955.
thanks
kenny GF
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Post# 37624-4/14/2004-19:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oceans of Suds
MESSAGE: Not quite sure, but I can get EXTREMELY thick suds in my Maytag Twin-Tub with Surf detergent.
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Post# 37625-4/14/2004-19:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Repairing Welbilt WD 2000 tabletop W/D
MESSAGE: I'm not sure if parts are still available for the Welbilt/Avanti tabletop W/D combos, but does your apartment building allow portable washers/dryers? If it does, you could find a used Kenmore or Whirlpool portable washer/dryer set at a good price either on eBay or at a used-appliance store (new these machines are around $1100 as a pair, and considering the limited number of features they have, I really wouldn't recommend buying them new). The machines are compact, only 24" wide, the dryer requires no venting, and the washer hooks up to the sink with an adapter. Both washer and dryer are on wheels, and roll away in a closet. They can handle a fairly large load, and are fully automatic. Parts for these machines are common as well, and they are built to last. I've seen some that are still running after 30 years! Check with your landlord if they're allowed.
Another alternative is a Haier Portable automatic washer/dryer combo. Front-loading, it washes, spins, and dries in one unit, hooks up to the sink, and requires no venting. It is on wheels for easy mobility. At around $500-600 new, it is one of the less expensive washer/dryer combos. The Haier America website is linked here.
LINK: http://www.haieramerica.com
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Post# 37626-4/14/2004-19:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oceans of Suds (One Word:)
MESSAGE: TIDE!
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Post# 37627-4/14/2004-19:39 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: Hi, Robert - I sure would agree with that. I guess that Philco was definitely a major player in the TV/Radio/Stereo market. Perhaps like others, they spent their marketing dollars on their strongest areas.....
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Post# 37628-4/14/2004-19:52 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oceans of Suds
MESSAGE: Well, that would be just about everything except those that are specifically identified as Low Sudsing (FAB, Fresh Start, Ajax powders)and of course those that are identified as HE or HE compatible. So what does that leave us with for high sudsers?
P&G: Tide powders and liquids, Cheer powders and liquids, Gain powders and liquids, Era liquid, Dreft powder and liquid, Ivory Snow powder and liquid, Ariel powder and liquid
Lever: Surf powders and liquids, Wisk powders and liquids, All powders( the liquids except for Free&Clear tend to suds less than powders)
Others: Arm & Hammer (though it tends to suds less than P&G products), Purex ( I know, I know many of you use Purex liquids with little suds, but I have not experienced that phenomenon) and Oxydol powders and liquids (Redox branded).
I know there are many products that folks have used that only produce light to moderate suds - but I think that is just a combination of circumstances and sometimes just luck. And before everyone jumps all over me, I only mean that my statement is based on the premise that unless the label says it is low sudsing, I think it's prudent to assume that it is a moderate to high suds product. For example I have used the Mexican Ariel and sometimes it produces little to no suds and other times, it is a regular sudsfest.
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Post# 37629-4/14/2004-20:53 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oceans of Suds (Variations in Sudsing)
MESSAGE: This may be stating the obvious, but I've found a large difference in the amount of suds produced, based on the condition of the load. Those that are extra dirty with ground in soils or perspiration, require more detergent to produce suds. It's as if the soil neutralizes the base amount of detergent recommended. I've seen this with both conventional top load and high-efficiency low-suds detergents.
For really dirty loads, I add a little more low-suds detergent to my front-loader until I can see at least a few bubbles in the bottom of the tub. I then know the detergent has the upper hand, and the load comes out just fine.
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Post# 37630-4/14/2004-21:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: This could become Applianceville's new theme song...
LINK: http://68.89.57.239/VID/COMM/UseFabInYourWashingMachine.wmv
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Post# 37631-4/14/2004-21:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: What a great commercial! My favorite part is the end:
Use F-A-B in your washing machine! I recognized many of the machines there, however, she had some different names for what I thought was a Frigidaire and a Kenmore washer.
Should this be the theme song for Applianceville? DEFINITELY!
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Post# 37632-4/14/2004-21:58 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Robert,
That theme song is just the BEST!! Where do you come up with these great finds? Whatever you're doing,KEEP doing it! I think this would be a great theme song for our club.All those brand new great 1950's classics...
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Post# 37633-4/14/2004-22:01 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Robert-
thats P-E-R-F-E-C-T!!!
Rich
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Post# 37634-4/14/2004-22:03 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I too have watched all three videos several times and am fascinated with the wash action. I am thinking like you said that the machine was just to new for its time. People just were not ready for something that didn't have a standard agitator. I can still remember my aunts talking about "those machines" that only tumbled the clothes, why there was no way that they could get clothes clean. LOL If a machine was to come out today like the Automagic it would be a success. More people today are ready to try something new, at least that is the way it seems to me. Robert you never mentioned rinsing but I am betting that it does a great job on that. Terry
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Post# 37635-4/14/2004-22:09 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Help! Maytag DG608 has stopped drying (Maytag Dryer Not Heating)
MESSAGE: Unlike a gas range, the dryer gas valve is not dependent on amperage draw from the ignitor to open the valve, so if the ignitor glows it is OK.
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Post# 37636-4/14/2004-22:12 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: That was FAB-ulous!!!!!
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Post# 37637-4/14/2004-22:20 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag
MESSAGE:
From what you decribed, that is what my 56Maytag timefill is exactly, a Highlander only in white.
Thank you for filling me in.
Rich-
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Post# 37638-4/14/2004-22:36 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag (Highlander Line)
MESSAGE: Are all Maytags with the chrome strip & 3 screws on the front and sides considered a "Highlander"? Was that the name that Maytag gave that style machine, or was it a nickname? I always thought that going from a front service washer to one that had to be serviced from the back was just a short lived design mistake on Maytags part. Glen
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Post# 37639-4/14/2004-22:43 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: OMG,Bob! That was awesome. Wouldn't it be wonderful if they still made commercials like that? Thank you so very much for sharing! :-)
(The only problem is, I don't think I'm going to be able to get that tune out of my head for the next couple of days. ;-)
LOL.)
Mike
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Post# 37640-4/14/2004-23:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Philco turnover (Agitator Torque)
MESSAGE: I would think if the agitator "could take off a limb" it would damage any clothes put into the machine.You could use the "washer" as a "verticle cutting and chopping machine" a large food processor device used in the commercial-industrial food prepartion industry.The VCM was notorius for taking off limbs from anyone putting their hands in it to feel the texture of foods mixed in it before letting the blades stop!
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Post# 37641-4/14/2004-23:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: About the Philco Automagic....
MESSAGE: The "automagic" was then a new innovation by Philco at that time-Sounds like they built conventional straight bladed oscillating agitator machines before the "automagic" and "blades of Water"Where were Philco major appliances primarily marketed?I am more famaliar with their electronic goods rather than their white goods.I have never seen a Philco washer or dryer.
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Post# 37642-4/14/2004-23:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oceans of Suds (Variations in Sudsing)
MESSAGE: I have also found how much AIR is incorporated into the water detergent mixture-Much like whipping creme with a chefs wisk.For example I could generate more suds with a shallow water setting in my Whirlpool Imperial than if you used the full water setting.It would seem like the gitator vanes could incorporate more air into the water than if the vanes were covered with the water.-also don't clothes get cleaner and easier to rinse if you don't generate the suds?The suds would be helpful if you were shampooing your carpets or your hair.
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Post# 37643-4/14/2004-23:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Great commercial-reminds me of REAL prime TV rather than the dreck that is on now.Yes we should have more like that and the shows to match.Brings back childhood memories.
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Post# 37644-4/15/2004-00:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: I love her "woo-ooo" to start things off - certainly an attention getter!
Was the last brand of machine she sang "Baltimore" or was it "or a Norge"? Looked like a Norge...
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Post# 37645-4/15/2004-00:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag (Highlander Line)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen - The Highlander was a Maytag name - remember the "Highlander Center" coin laundry stores? There was also a "Super Highlander" washer and dryer with the same cabinet but a little taller control panel, usually with a diamond shaped pilot light above the dial.
I've heard that servicers complained about the rear-service models, it's funny they used them for coin laundries where service would have been even more difficult. Oh wait, these are Maytags with the famous dependability and lonely servicemen - they probably never needed service! ;-)
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Post# 37646-4/15/2004-00:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag (wrong #)
MESSAGE: Probably 56-57, does it look like this? This is a 1957 140S (suds-saver model)
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Maytag&.dnm=1957+Maytag+AMP.jpg
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Post# 37647-4/15/2004-01:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Ab Fab!!
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Post# 37648-4/15/2004-05:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Applause and standing ovation, Robert -- once again you've outdone yourself!!!
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Post# 37649-4/15/2004-05:12 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag (wrong #)
MESSAGE: Looks similar,but this one isn't quite as shiny!
Anyone have any interest in this machine? Located in Northern Indiana.I will make you such a deal!If not,I'll stick it in the corner of the shop,and get to it eventually.
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Post# 37650-4/15/2004-05:15 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Hey Greg - what she said was "..........Apex, also Norge". Took me a minute to get that one.
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Post# 37651-4/15/2004-05:41 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
that's a great song and fantastic to have all these wonderful
washers in only ONE commercial;-).
Thanks for sharing it with us.
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Post# 37652-4/15/2004-07:22 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oceans of Suds (Variations in Sudsing)
MESSAGE: I know that with my brand of choice (Sun powder, 1-cup formula) the amount of suds depends on the temperature of the wash water. In cold water it's pretty low; after some bubbles at the start of agitation, the water settles down and becomes cloudy. Still cleans well, though. There's moderate sudsing in warm water, and in hot water the sudsing is fairly high. Front-loaders (Wascomat, etc.) work up the bubble factor quite a bit--less water, I suppose.
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Post# 37653-4/15/2004-08:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: She didn't mention Kenmore :-( . It would've rhymed with Thor. Well I guess Whirlpool counts. She also didn't say Frigidaire.
BUT she did say Apex and that's your Holy Grail, Uni. If only you could be a wizard and make the Apex materialize from the film into your basement, that would be cool.
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Post# 37654-4/15/2004-08:33 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Spring Cleaning
MESSAGE: Last winter I grabbed two consoles off machines in case anyone needs parts, buttons, dials, etc. I am spring cleaning now and time to move them out. One is the same 73 Lady Kenmore that GregM just listed, the other is a 68 Kenmore-the ones where the controls are recessed at an angle and there is a cover that slides over to hide them. I do not want these, only grabbed in case someone else can use them. There yours for shipping, otherwise I will toss them in a week or so.
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Post# 37655-4/15/2004-08:36 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Sandbox remix :-D)
MESSAGE: No matter what brand of washing machine
no matter how old or new
no matter what make no matter what name
the recommendation remains the same
Use Fab (Use Fab in your washing machine
Use Fab (Use Fab in your washing machine
In a Hettie, Neptune, Haier, Thor
LG, Harmony, Whirlpool or
Kitchen Aid, Miele, and Frigemore
no matter what make no matter what name
the recommendation remains the same
Use Fab (Use Fab in your washing machine
Use Fab (Use Fab in your washing machine
For the whitest whites and cleanest clean
Use F-A-B in your washing machine
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Post# 37656-4/15/2004-08:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, she definately says Norge at the end, but its a bit garbled. The audio in this commercial print is not the best, but it too fun to pass by. I have a few new found treats coming soon, one for Westinginghouse Laundromat that is also to die for!
By the way, in case anyone is wondering, why the sudden flood of videos, I purchased a new Media Center computer last Friday and I have 14 days to try it out to see if I want to keep it, so I've been very busy checking out all of its fancy features. This new machine makes producing videos so much easier than my old computer so you guys are enjoying the benefit of my new found toy. Enjoy it while it lasts, cause I need to get back to the basement soon:) LOL.
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Post# 37657-4/15/2004-08:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Yes, at the end of the commercial she is standing right in front of the Apex model that I once had. :( I was thinking I wonder if she has any idea how lucky she is to be able to touch it!-- LOL
You know all those machines were brand new out of the crate, if only we could go back in time and get them, sigh.
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Post# 37658-4/15/2004-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (KER-SLAP)
MESSAGE: I think I hear a big slap coming on, we'll need to bring in the big guns for this, oh Jetcone...
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Post# 37659-4/15/2004-09:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: I strongly suspect that the old Simpson is based on a Speed Queen though this is only because they used the name "Fluid Drive", which I understand SQ used in the US. There was a fluid drive unit between the motor and the transmission. It had a very complicated mechanism underneath which I couldn't understand, though I haven't looked underneath one for over 15 years - I'd like to think I could figure it out now! From very vague memories, it has two large solenoids underneath, and no obvious suspension - no sign of springs, etc. When I looked at it I couldn't see how it allowed for vibration during spin. It was very sturdily constructed. As Arrrooohhh mentioned, the enamel basket has a rigid black plastic liner with fine vertical ridges all the way round, like a sideways washboard. My Grandmother used one for a while, it came with the house which came with my Grandfather's job. She hated it as it seemed constantly to need repair. Hers was a top line model, with "time line" progress indicator, (white needle over a red background) all white pushbuttons (no knobs or dials), with blue glass control panel with fluorescent tube illuminated display - bright enough to light up the room.
Simpson stoves at the time were Tappan design from USA, I know as we had one. It was labelled "SIMPSON - Tappan". (Tappan in smaller letters). The control knobs were very tall and slender. I wonder if Tappan also made washers in the early sixties?
I would LOVE to get hold of a Simpson Fluid Drive, though I'd prefer a fancy one like my Nan's.
I also suspect that Simpson's later machines (seventies to late eighties) are based on a Maytag - very simple but sturdy design, not particularly good performance. There is an old (seventies?)Maytag at a neighbourhood house near me, and the agitator looks just like the Simpsons, though the Maytag is pale blue and the Simpsons were usually beige. One day when no-one is around I'll pull the front off the Maytag and see if it looks like a Simspon inside...
The later Simpson's I'm on about had a tranny which spun during spin, the innards were all heavy steel but the tranny was in a simple plastic "case" which looks like a tupperware container. It's really the oil reservoir. The tranny input shaft pokes down under the base plate, with a bit of coarse thread poking under. When the motor turns in the "spin" direction, the pulley winds up the thread, locking the pulley to the spin shaft. When the motor turns in the "wash" direction, the pulley winds down the thread till it engages with a segment splined on to the end of the input shaft.
Does this sound like anything familiar in the USA?
Chris.
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Post# 37660-4/15/2004-09:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (KER-SLAP)
MESSAGE: But you CAN use Fab in a new FL.
Ducks and runs....
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Post# 37661-4/15/2004-13:51 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: What was our old theme song?
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Post# 37662-4/15/2004-15:51 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: "Who's That Lady (Kenmore)" by the Isley Brothers
or was it
"Dirty Laundry" by Don Henley
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Post# 37663-4/15/2004-16:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Sandbox remix :-D)
MESSAGE: I think when you mentioned "Sandbox Remix" it should be posted in the SANDBOX ONLY...LOL!
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Post# 37664-4/15/2004-16:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: I listened to the commercial again, and at the end she says, "also Norge..." You really have to crank up the volume to hear this clearly though. The machine on the far right in at the top row looked like a Frigidaire, but she called it something different. Can someone verify me on this?
Also, in honor of this great commercial, I picked up some Fab detergent today!
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Post# 37665-4/15/2004-16:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: By the way, with this nice Media Center, do you think you could make a video of your WV-35 Pulsamatic when the time comes to wash in it?
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Post# 37666-4/15/2004-16:39 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE:
I thought it was that song called "Dizzy" from the '70's, 'cause it talks about "a Whirlpool that never ends".
Probably had a stuck timer.
Moving on...
Remember the Whirlpool song from their commercials in the '70's? It goes something like (throat clears and hums a C):
Whirlpool makes a better way
Whirlpool makes a better day
Whirlpool makes a better way
to make a busy day (da da da)
WHIRLPOOL
Can't forget GE's catchy little late '70's tune:
GEEEEE EEEEEE, we bring good things to life!
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Post# 37667-4/15/2004-16:41 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: How fast does the Philco spin?
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Post# 37668-4/15/2004-16:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Philco Agitator)
MESSAGE: The Philco Automagic spins about 550 RPM.
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Post# 37669-4/15/2004-16:52 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Oceans of Suds (Variations in Sudsing)
MESSAGE: I think I saw where someone was looking for "Dash".
Anyway, here's an Ebay link-
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=876&item=3672575500&rd=1
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Post# 37670-4/15/2004-18:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: A real Australian Classic
MESSAGE: It's very possible that the Simpson was an evolution from the original Beam/Franklin machines. Several brands used this fluid drive design - some with slight variations, especially in the early days of automatics. Hotpoint, Easy, Coronado, Speed Queen were among the brands. I'll see if I can find some good pictures under the skirt from these early machines.
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Post# 37671-4/15/2004-18:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Nope, that's a much coveted (by me anyway) Thor automatic. It was an automatic machine that used nearly the same mechanism as the Thor Automagic washer/dishwasher semi-auto machines.
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Post# 37672-4/15/2004-18:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Interesting that you would ask that because I also tried to film the WD-57 Pulsamatic when I filmed the Philco. Unfortunately the agitator bob up and down at approximately the same rate that the digital camera records frames and it comes out appearing completely still, with the wash water moving around a still agitator.
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Post# 37673-4/15/2004-19:09 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Have you seen DADoES' short film clips of the Pulsamatic in action from the first convention?
LINK: http://users.wcnet.net/dadoes/minne/Friday/Video/021_Pulsamatic.MPG
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Post# 37674-4/15/2004-19:43 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: A video camera shoots at 30fps. That means the washer must do 30 "bobs" a second. It's too fast for the camera to pick it up.
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Post# 37675-4/15/2004-19:59 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Sandbox remix :-D)
MESSAGE: OK - I'll admit that made me chuckle!! You forgot Bosch (tee hee hee he he HE - high efficiency laugh).
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Post# 37676-4/15/2004-20:05 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Or....the old theme song could have been "She's a Lady" by Tom Jones. I picture some model walking down a runway in a 1973 Kenmore cabinet with a roto-swirl on her head.
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Post# 37677-4/15/2004-20:11 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Speaking of Fab....)
MESSAGE: What ever happened to the Fab "pouches"? They were pre-measured amounts of Fab packed into porous cloth pouches that you could toss into the washer without any pouring. I saw them only for a few years around the late '80s/early '90s. Also, I remember the Fab from the '70s. It was lemon-scented, in a dark blue box. The letters were red, and there was a small lemon above the letters.
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Post# 37678-4/15/2004-20:26 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Our New Theme Song/Pulsamatic)
MESSAGE: Robert- oh, go ahead, put iti on anyway. I for one would love to see it. What makes the pulsamatic different from the other unimatics? I know it looks different....Why did Frigidaire come out with it?
Speaking of Frigidaire, the POD features an early 60's washer- Multimatic? Is the dryer also a Frigidaire bottom of the line?
Can't say much about the mod paint job on the walls, but I guess anything is better that drab basement walls.
The Philco video was really impressive, I have to go back & watch it again! Was that machine barely ever used. I would think that the rubber disk would be dried out by now. I remember back in the olden days of the late 60's- 1968- 1969 the Grandway Dept. store of the Grand Union chain sold Philcos. The one I loved was the Imperial with the wide opening lid & blue interior.I always assumed it agitated like a Frigidaire back then. But I also remember another Philco that had a regular small lid that they sold the same time. I don't remember what the agitator looked like in that machine, though.....Jerry
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Post# 37679-4/15/2004-20:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Speaking of Fab....)
MESSAGE: Perhaps they went the same way as the tablet detergents, which I've given up trying to find because I rarely can anymore.
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Post# 37680-4/15/2004-21:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Hi Jason a Pulsamatic bobs up at down at 10.5 bobs per second, a Unimatic 5.5, 1/2 the speed of a Pulsamatic, but as you can see in the video that Dadoes shot, the camera doesn't seem to pick it up properly. I will have to experiment with the settings and see.
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Post# 37681-4/15/2004-21:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Our New Theme Song/Pulsamatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Jerry, the Pulsamatic was Frigidaire's first belt drive washer. The agitator pulsates up and down at double the rate of any other Frigidaire washer ever made, but the agitator only moves 1/2 the amount of distance between its total range of travel.
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Post# 37682-4/15/2004-21:24 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Speaking of Fab....)
MESSAGE: That was Fab 1 Shot and they really didn't last that long. They were comparatively expensive, used an awful lot of packaging and really didn't work all that well either as a detergent or softener. I think soon after the "ultra" powders came out in the early 90's, those pouches faded out.
Scott you're right about the tablets. Looks like Lever has discontinued the Wisk, as well as the Surf tablets. I only see Purex on the shelves. Not sure what happened to the Tide tablets - since I really didn't like them much anyway....
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Post# 37683-4/15/2004-21:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: That's true; the Pulsamatic does agitate twice as fast as the Unimatic, Multimatic, or Rollermatic machines. However, I looked at the owner's manual for the '56 Control Tower line, and they never mentioned any of the transmission names. The only way I could tell the machines apart was from the agitators and the spin speeds, since the Pulsamatic is no speed demon when it comes to spin...also the model numbers on the De Luxe series were different, with WD-57 and WDU-57 indicating the Unimatic transmission.
I did watch DaDoEs' Pulsamatic videos, but the agitator was too fast. It's interesting because the video of the clothes moving around a still agitator would create an optical illusion to anyone who didn't know the secret to why the agitator appeared still...
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Post# 37684-4/15/2004-21:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: I don't think the Pulsamatic agitates that fast. From Uni's old description of the Frigidaire machines, I think it agitated about 660 PPM.
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Post# 37685-4/15/2004-21:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Our New Theme Song/Pulsamatic)
MESSAGE: Oops, I did forget that it had a 3/4" stroke compared with the 1" or 1 1/2" stroke of the Unimatic. The fact that the Pulsamatic is a belt-drive machine would explain the slower spin speed, because of the speed reduction!!
It's all making sense now...
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Post# 37686-4/15/2004-22:50 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: If a girl really did that, I'd marry her.
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Post# 37687-4/15/2004-23:01 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: So there's 2 frames per bob, BUT 2 frames ain't 2 whole frames. It's interlaced so it's 2 half-frames. So the picture is more of an illusion. What you see is a blend of the 2 frames to make one picture. somehow the timing just right so all you see is a still agitator and water magically swirling around it.
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Post# 37688-4/16/2004-00:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song
MESSAGE: Your video camera films at a rate of 30 Frames per second and 60 "feilds" per second.The half of the frame is called a feild-they are interlaced together to form the frame. One feild covers the even traced lines and and the other covers the odd.What I remembered from the old TV days.Also the camera is acting like a strobescope-you were able to measure the speed of the agitator strokes per minute with it.Same thing happens with movie cameras-like you are watching the old time western movie at the theater-and the wagon wheels appear to spin backward when the wagon is traveling forward.The speed of the agon spokes exceeds the cameras shutter speed.Same on movies with airplanes and the propellers appear to be spinning to slowly oor not even spinning at all as the plane flies.last example is when you watch a movie shot at the standard 24 frames per sec shown on TV at 30 frames per sec-the TV projector at the station or network shows every other film frame twice-to convert to the TV frame speed.Vehicles and even people appear to "stutter" as they move across your TV screen.-move in a jerky way.
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Post# 37689-4/16/2004-02:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag (Highlander)
MESSAGE: It's actually sort of a stereotype
Highlander=Scottish=thrifty=BOL(cheap)model
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Post# 37690-4/16/2004-02:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Hi sudsing vs low sudsing)
MESSAGE: Actually, what people consider to be "high sudsing" I think of as "low sudsing compared to high sudsing back in the 50's and 60's. I don't see much suds with ANY detergent I've used lately. If there are any, they go away pretty quickly.
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Post# 37691-4/16/2004-02:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Maytag BOL washer)
MESSAGE: So what happened to the BOL Maytag washer she bought? Did she think you were nuts for buying her a washer right after she had just bought a new one, even if it was a TOL (I assume it was a TOL and a Maytag?)
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Post# 37692-4/16/2004-02:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Repairing Welbilt WD 2000 tabletop W/D (washer-dryer)
MESSAGE: Have you looked for Avanti on-line? I could swear I'e seen current products with this name in catalogs. I would just disregard the instructions and try taking the fuse out and looking for it alone. Worst case scenario, I have one of those machines that was given to me, and I really have no use for it.
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Post# 37693-4/16/2004-03:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Sandbox remix :-D)
MESSAGE: Now, could someone post what she ACTUALLY said? I couldn't understand some of the brands
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Post# 37694-4/16/2004-03:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (camera fields)
MESSAGE: Then there are the times things are filmed under flourescent lights that are "blinking" at 60 Hz.
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Post# 37695-4/16/2004-07:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Maytag BOL washer)
MESSAGE: I was 15 when the Maytag was delivered, working as a busboy so I just bought her the filter/dispenser part for her washer... I didn't buy my first washer until I could drive at 16 - a Hoover portable.
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Post# 37696-4/16/2004-07:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: While out hunting Thursday night, I came across a very nice looking Speed Queen FA series, large capacity solid tub washer. In keeping with my policy to let no solid tub go to the krusher, I brought it home. It needs a new pump & belts but otherwise seems to work just fine. I won't keep this forever, but it's fun to play with in the garage.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/Misc.+Fun&.dnm=5b69.jpg
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Post# 37697-4/16/2004-07:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (No Matter What Brand)
MESSAGE: From the top right to left:
Maytag
Speed Queen
Hotpoint
Thor
(Left to right)
Blackstone
Easy
Whirlpool
(rt to left)
Kelvinator
Apex
Also Norge
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Post# 37698-4/16/2004-07:57 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Our New Theme Song (Interlacing and 3:2 pulldown)
MESSAGE: And if you try to record a movie film such as Super 8 or 16mm with your video camera, you get lots of flicker if you don't have the proper equipment to telecine the film into the correct 30fps.
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Post# 37699-4/16/2004-08:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: Very nice Greg, there must have been a large Speed Queen dealer in Omaha, as you seem to see quite a few of them. I've only seen a few here in the Twin Cities. Once I saw an orange SQ coin-op from the late 60's at an estate sale, but it wasn't for sale. I'm sort of kicking myself now for not pursuing that further.
Is the tub white porcelain or ss?
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Post# 37700-4/16/2004-08:51 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Dating a Maytag (Highlander)
MESSAGE: My minister at church is Scottish....I always wondered what the problem was, though sometimes she likes to spend money
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Post# 37701-4/16/2004-11:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: This is the first washer I've seen that has three temperature settings and a warm/warm setting. Most other machines with a warm rinse have also a cold setting for the same wash temp. Is this the only washer that has this? Nice washer, although it doesn't have the stainless drum.
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Post# 37702-4/16/2004-12:43 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: This is the 1st washer that I have ever seen where the "Load Size" selector is on the timer. Normally it's the water temperature that's on the timer. But a nice machine anyways.
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Post# 37703-4/16/2004-12:50 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: LOL, I was going to respond that most all 'vintage' machines with three temp settings have hot/warm, warm/warm, and cold/cold, so this would not be unusual. But then I looked at the pic and saw it has hot/COLD, warm/warm, and cold/cold, which *does* seem unusual. Maybe something to do with energy conservation, regarding hot/warm? If one wants a warm rinse with a hot wash, the control can always be reset after the wash fill. Wonder if warm/warm is overridden by the timer to be warm/cold on the Knit/Durable Press cycle? I know some BOL Whirlpools (and probably Kenmores and Ropers) did that, even though the temp control was marked warm/warm.
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Post# 37704-4/16/2004-12:58 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (Speed Queen Water Levels)
MESSAGE: Vintage solid-tub Speed Queens (and Frigidaires and most other solid-tub brands) had a time-controlled fill. Engineers for some brands with solid tubs did later come up with alternate methods of water level control that did not rely on the timer, to better compensate for varying water pressures.
Time-fill Speed Queens always filled completely for rinse (they had an overflow rinse, of course) regardless of what fill level was selected for the wash. My aunt who got a Speed Queen when she married in 1969, but grew up with a Whirlpool, was confused on that point. I remember she told me that she thought it was wasteful and had called the dealer to ask if there's something wrong with the machine.
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Post# 37705-4/16/2004-13:30 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (Speed Queen Water Levels)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember an aunt who had a similar machine to this one. I was about 5 or 6 when I saw it. I do remember it being a Speed Queen and I think it had a stainless steel solid tub. I remember asking " How does the water get out? " I hadn't learned of centrifigual force. But seeing this maching made me think of it after all these years.
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Post# 37706-4/16/2004-13:49 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: And to add another combination of the 3 temp choices, I saw a SQ yesterday at a recyclers shop and it had Hot/Warm Warm/Cold Cold/Cold. I have seen some even with all cold rinses, no choice at all for a warm rinse :-(
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Post# 37707-4/16/2004-15:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: Paramount Furniture and Appliance carried Speed Queen, Amana, Westinghouse, Kelvinator, KitchenAid and Amana. Once Nebraska Furniture Mart started carrying KitchenAid & Amana and Westinghouse was no more, Paramount started to circle the drain, now gone completely. There was also a big SQ distributor here, now moved to a small town just outside the metro - all the old parts are gone. I do see a few Speed Queens, more of the later perf. baskets now but the solid tubs do pop up now and then. I saw a set just like your '64 a while back at a sale but it was too far gone to be saved - rusty, centerpost bad and bearings shot.
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Post# 37708-4/16/2004-16:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: Nice-looking machine. I wonder if the porcelain tubs are rarer than the SS, of if they're found only on lower-end/BOL machines. Also, how much could an SQ hold? Their tubs sure do look deep.
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Post# 37709-4/16/2004-16:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: I had always thought all Speed Queens (the originals, not after they were taken over by this and that company) had stainless tubs and drums, but I later learned some had porcelain instead, and in the case of dryers possibly even a galvanized metal interior, unless I'm thinking of a different brand.
I think the one in Greg's picture might be a little later one from sometime in the 70s and is a large capacity. I think there were some smaller standard capacity ones prior to that as well.
I believe Speed Queen was the last manufacturer to use the solid tub design, ending this practice I think around 1980, I'm thinking probably about the same time they were bought out by a company other than McGraw-Edison.
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Post# 37710-4/16/2004-16:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Maytag Twin-Tub Problem
MESSAGE: I was just getting ready to do *another* load in my Maytag twin-tub when I remembered a peculiar problem I had last weekend.
The fill and wash would go along as expected, however, when I start the spinner and drain the spin tub, there's a small leak (but enough to make a 4" puddle of water) coming out of a hole in the bottom of the machine, at a steady drip. When I switch it over to "wash drain" it's fine. I've opened up both the back and front covers many times, and to my surprise I
could not find the source of it. At first I thought it was a loose hose clamp, but I tightened those up (they were indeed loose) after my first "leaky" washload. All the hoses look good, and there are no visible bad seals, holes, etc. so I really don't know where it's coming from. I have run the machine with both covers off, and I still
can't tell where it's coming from. The leak disappears after a few loads, so I'm beginning to think it's a dried pump seal, as most of the water seems to magically appear at the pump...which could explain the seal getting tighter after a few loads. Like I said, it's a very small amount of water, but large enough to be annoying (and cause possible rust, which I
don't want to happen. I thought I'd post this, since someone said they had a Maytag parts manual for the Twin-Tub and would share information. If anyone has any idea what the problem is, let me know!
--Austin
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Post# 37711-4/16/2004-16:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: It seems that all manufacturers used solid-tub designs from one time to another, however, the only manufacturer I know of to switch from perforated to solid and back to perforated again is Frigidaire. Their first automatic model (1947) had a perforated tub, all subsequent models until 1970 had a solid tub, and the 1-18 brought out the perforated tub again.
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Post# 37712-4/16/2004-17:59 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: Ahh, but that early model wasn't a true perforated basket. It had a perforated inner liner bolted to a solid outer tub that spun as one unit. Several early machines had that design, including Maytag AMP. This as compared to Whirlpool which always had a perforated inner basket that spun
independently of the solid outer tub.
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Post# 37713-4/16/2004-20:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay
MESSAGE: Both work great and still clean well after 32 years. Does anybody know what brand these are? They appear to be BOL models. My guess is Kenmore.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3810458019&rd=1
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Post# 37714-4/16/2004-20:05 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay
MESSAGE: Definitely Kenmore. Budget models, not absolute BOL but close.
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Post# 37715-4/16/2004-21:29 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (Does it Pause before spin, or spin with a bang?)
MESSAGE: Greg,
That is a very cool machine. Looks like it it in good cosmetic shape.
Wanted to know if it paused, and had the motor reverse for the spin? Or is the the "Bang" of the solenoid type spin?
Also, does it have a overflow rinse?
Thanks for the photo's.
Brent
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Post# 37716-4/16/2004-22:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Launderall POD
MESSAGE: Nice 40's--50's Launderall machine with "double-tumbling" action. Interesting that this machine operated by levers rather than knob controls. It's a shame that another
modern manufacturer so shunned that the name shouldn't even be mentioned took the "top-loading front-loader" concept and turned it into another one of those "energy-saving" models that is a cumbersome, ugly, loud, and hard-to-use machine. Notice how the Launderall fills
halfway up the tub, which is why it did good in the early CR tests. Sorry folks, but ONE INCH OF WATER will definitely NOT get a 15-pound claimed load clean, unless it's in a Frigemore, which is an entirely different story...
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Post# 37717-4/17/2004-04:24 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay
MESSAGE: Yes,those are Kenmores.Definately worth the starting price!
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Post# 37718-4/17/2004-04:26 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: Is there much interest in washers like that? I see 'em all the time,don't pick them up because of parts availability.
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Post# 37719-4/17/2004-07:31 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday
MESSAGE:
Happy Birthday Robert, and thank you for everything do you for us on this website! :)
Jim
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Post# 37720-4/17/2004-07:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday Uni
MESSAGE: You never cease to amaze us with the excellent finds, and this website wouldn't be here without your hard work as well as talent!
Happy birthday, and may your life be filled with more excellent washers!
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Post# 37721-4/17/2004-08:16 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
HappY Birthday
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I hope You have a real Gread Birthday and thanks for all you do for the club
Have a Jet Action day
Best always,
Peter
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Post# 37722-4/17/2004-09:27 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday Robert!
MESSAGE: Robert,
I hope you have a great Birthday!
As with everyone's thanks in the club, I also want to thank-you for taking the time and effort keeping us all happy with the Appliance Club! I was thinking about when I first stumbled onto the club while searching the web. I was like a kid at Christmas! It was a rainy weekend, and I spent the entire weekend reading past post, and current ones, looking at pictures, and videos. I just could not get over that there was this wonderful outlet for people like us!
Although the club members are spread throughout the world, it feels like we are all together with the club!
Thanks so much for making this all happen!
You are a very special guy Robert!
Brent
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Post# 37723-4/17/2004-09:30 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Many happy returns on the occasion of your birthday from the Netherlands. I hope you have a wonderful day and wish you this year becomes a bouncing basket year!
Louis
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Post# 37724-4/17/2004-09:37 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Robert,
Happy Birthday and many thanks for having this website. It is a great pleasure to visit here every day and read the posts. Thanks again.
Christopher
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Post# 37725-4/17/2004-09:43 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Curious)
MESSAGE: Just wondering.....
What machine do you know of that attempts to wash a 15lb. load of clothes in 1" of water?
Never heard of one.
Brent
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Post# 37726-4/17/2004-09:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag Twin-Tub Problem
MESSAGE: Water leaks can be very frustrating to diagnose. Trace the drain path from the washtub through the diverter valve, then to the pump to make sure all those joints and valve is dry, then check the spinner boot at the bottom of the spin tub and drain hose to the pump, etc. There are lots of places for water to leak, if the pump has a bad seal, it might spray a small amount of water while running since water would be leaking down onto the pump pulley. The pump was the same as the automatic washers, but you'll have to make sure you can remove the stock (smaller pulley) and replace it with the larger cone-shaped pulley from your A50 machine.
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Post# 37727-4/17/2004-09:48 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday!
MESSAGE: Thank you for all you've done for us appliancehounds. We wish you many more windowed lids and Rapidry spins! God bless, and have a FAB day!
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Post# 37728-4/17/2004-09:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (Does it Pause before spin, or spin with a bang?)
MESSAGE: This is a reversing motor design, the machine pauses for 60 sec. between agitate and spin. It does have an overflow wash and rinse and with the areated water stream coming into the tub, will make a mountain of suds fast!
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Post# 37729-4/17/2004-09:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: Oh yeah...
Solid tub, overflow wash & rinse, way more washday drama than a boring 'ol Kenmore! ;-)
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Post# 37730-4/17/2004-09:54 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Curious)
MESSAGE: I think he's referring to the dreaded Staber. I've never used one, but I know that they're obscenely expensive, needlessly complicated and (yes indeed) quite homely. It's weird...H-axis top-loaders have been popular in Europe for years, yet the Staber is supposed to be a "technological innovation."
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Post# 37731-4/17/2004-10:01 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (God Save the Queen!)
MESSAGE: What a beautiful Queen! Thank you for rescuing her. The subjects are rejoicing!
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Post# 37732-4/17/2004-10:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (Solid tubs are the best)
MESSAGE: If I went to an SQ (Alliance) dealer that also sold used SQ machines, and found a solid-tub there, I'd choose it over a brand-new one! 40 gallons of water definitely gets clothes cleaner than 10!
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Post# 37733-4/17/2004-10:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Curious)
MESSAGE: That's exactly the machine that I was referring to. I know for sure Miele made H-axis twin-tub machines for a while, however Louis (Foraloysius) would know who all made H-axis top-loaders.
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Post# 37734-4/17/2004-10:22 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found
MESSAGE: Now,Now..be nice.Those old Km machines may be boring to some,but to those of us who do not really care about dizzying spins and overflow wahing and rinsing....we get the results we need, CLEAN clothes,after all they are WASHERS.(all in good fun of course LOL)
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Post# 37735-4/17/2004-10:26 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday Robert!
MESSAGE: My mom and I just want to wish you a happy birthday! And in honor of your birthday, we are going to Sears to buy a new washing machine!
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Post# 37736-4/17/2004-10:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Curious)
MESSAGE: Actually Miele didn't only make H-axis twintubs, but also fully automatic toploaders for decades now and they still do. I won't name all the brands that made and make those toploaders, just too many. The H-axis toploader is the most popular washer in France and some of these machines even had a window, just like the Launderall. And there are even toploading H-axis washer-dryer combo's. Miele made one in the seventies, but stopped with producing it quite soon. Other brands still sell them, especially useful in the tiny Paris apartments.
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Post# 37737-4/17/2004-11:15 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday and thanks for all you do. Hope you reach your Apex in finding more classic washers. Would love to meet you and all the other members of the club.
Jim
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Post# 37738-4/17/2004-11:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Robert!
MESSAGE: Good luck Jamie in getting the Calypso!
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Post# 37739-4/17/2004-12:05 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
free Horton Mangle
MESSAGE: To all Classic Appliance mambers: A friend of mine has an old Horton mangle at his house,and wants to get rid of it. If anyone wants it they can have it for the hauling. It is complete,but needs painted and is located in Fort Wayne Indiana appx.120 miles north of Indianapolis.If no one is interested in it,it will go to the krusher this Wednesday.
Thank you,
Rick R
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Post# 37740-4/17/2004-12:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Well! Happy Birthday Robert! If you go estate saleing today, hope you find something you really like!
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Post# 37741-4/17/2004-12:19 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday (Happy Birthday!)
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday, Bob. I hope that it's the best one ever. :)
Thanks for everything you do to make this wonderful community happen.
Mike
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Post# 37742-4/17/2004-12:36 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (Happy Birthday)
MESSAGE: Robert Happy Birthday and ThankYOU. Arthur
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Post# 37743-4/17/2004-16:59 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (The Beginning of the end)
MESSAGE: Ugh! Those machines bring back HORRIBLE memories and seing a 1966 Kenmore with the "ovals" control panel being replaced by that... horrible... thing.
Straight vane agitator, dark speckled tub, maybe 2 water levels and 3 cycles.
I'd take a washer like that only for the mechanism and that's it.
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Post# 37744-4/17/2004-17:36 ||| tcox6912 (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Uni
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday, Robert, from the New Orleans delegation. We'll be celebrating your birthday here this evening at happy hour!!!! Todd
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Post# 37745-4/17/2004-18:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (The Beginning of the end)
MESSAGE: Well when I looked at them, I thought they were indeed kind of ugly and except for the raised center panel with the knobs, the control panels resembled those on the way-BOL Kenmore Galaxy series.
I would buy the washer because it's a BD machine, otherwise I wouldn't take one look, and if I did, I'd replace the straight-vane with a Roto-Swirl first thing. The machines of the 60's, with the pushbutton control panel and Roto-Swirl agitators, and mid-late 70's, with the fake-wood accents, center dial (only other brand besides Maytag to use this), and the BD Dual-Action agitators (it's much better on a BD) are more attractive than this.
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Post# 37746-4/17/2004-18:25 ||| golittlesport (California)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Uni
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Robert....thank you for creating Applianceville and all the fun you have brought to so many!
Rich
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Post# 37747-4/17/2004-19:30 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Happy B'day
MESSAGE: Hey Robert, wishing you some birthday Cheer (like the new & improved blue Cheer!)
Hope you had a great birthday. I did a few loads of laundry in your honor!
Todd
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Post# 37748-4/17/2004-21:54 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Happy birthday to you Robert. My best regards to you and affection to all 3 of ou. ((((((Robert)))))) Thank you for all you've done for us over the years.
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Post# 37749-4/17/2004-22:02 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (God Save the Queen!)
MESSAGE: I loved these pictures also. They remind me of the coin-op Speed Queens I saw in laundromats in upper Michigan in the '70s. Identical agitator, though the ones I saw were made of gray plastic with the same metal cap. The tubs were solid stainless steel. I'm sure the older designs had good turnover.
I was just in my local laundromat today, washing a denim jacket in a new Speed Queen (about 1-yr old). I thought it would have sent my Bosch front-loader into unbalanced hell. The new Speed Queen was belt-driven, with a wavy-vane agitator. The attendant commented "Wow, you have a lot of water action going on there...I can hear it!". It's good to know that even today, Speed Queen still delivers.
By the way, someone commented that the tubs in these old machines appeared deep. From my memory, they had a small capacity. In fact, if you look closely at the pictures on yahoo, the vanes start to flatten out just below the water level in frame 24. Still, I'd love it if such machines were brought back, even at a premium.
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Post# 37750-4/17/2004-22:04 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, Just wanted to add my best wishes as well. I hope that your special day was a happy one. Thanks so much for bringing us all together here in Applianceville!! Terry
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Post# 37751-4/17/2004-22:12 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (God Save the Queen!)
MESSAGE: I'm having trouble posting...hope this makes it.
I loved these pictures also. They remind me of the Speed Queens I saw in laundromats in upper Michigan in the '70s. The ones I saw had identical agitators, but they were gray plastic, with the same cap. The tubs were solid stainless steel.
Just today, I was at my local laundromat washing a denim jacket in a new Speed Queen (about 1-yr. old). It was belt-driven, with a wavy-vaned agitator. I thought the jacket would have sent my Bosch front-loader into unbalanced hell. The attendant commented "Wow...you have a lot of water action going on there...I can hear it!" It's good to know that Speed Queen still delivers. I only wish that they still sold their machines to the public.
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Post# 37752-4/17/2004-22:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (God Save the Queen!)
MESSAGE: Actually this SQ that Greg picked up is a large capacity model. Most Speed Queens in the 50's/60's held about 10 lbs. of dry clothes. Through the 70's, until they phased out the solid tub design, they held larger loads. In the 1990's they phased out their entire residential line and geared the machines toward commercial use. SQ is now owned by Alliance Laundry Products.
Someone mentioned on here that a Speed Queen is the largest capacity top-loading washer available today. They have the tested-and-proven belt-drive transmission, with a 270º agitator stroke. Personally I think that they should start selling a residential line in stores again. One model can be used residentially, with a standard control panel and 3 temp/water level selections; nothing fancy unless you want a coin-op machine with a touchpad instead. However, these machines are BUILT TO LAST, and I don't see any reason that this shouldn't be the last washer you ever buy.
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Post# 37753-4/17/2004-22:33 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: 70's Speed Queen Found (God Save the Queen!)
MESSAGE: The new Speed Queens in my local laundromat have about a 14 lb. capacity, not large by any means. They can hold about 4 pairs of pants or 4 bath towels. I wouldn't push them beyond that, but the traditional belt-drive wash action is still there.
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Post# 37754-4/17/2004-22:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Thanks Everyone
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone for the nice birthday wishes! I'm so lucky to know all of you guys, the washing machine and the internet, two very incredible inventions.
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Post# 37755-4/17/2004-22:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Robert!
MESSAGE: HI Jamie, another new washer, boy are you a lucky guy?? My parents had only three washing machines during my entire childhood, now of course I run at least three at a time :)
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Post# 37756-4/17/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (More Today)
MESSAGE: Well when it rains vintage detergent it pours. I can go months without finding anything and now three weeks in a row. I guess that what keeps me hooked on the sales.
Today's unopened finds...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Oxydol.jpg
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Post# 37757-4/17/2004-23:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Happy Birthday Robert!
MESSAGE: The first 10 years of my life we went through only 3 washing machines, boring machines at that. Now I'm waiting for our crappy DD Kenmore to quit so I can get an SQ, and it's almost there. The spin clutch is on its last legs; it sometimes shifts into spin during the neutral drain...
I'm still waiting on the status for the tub drain connector (contacted a rubber parts place if they had anything similar to it) for the Kenmore Jr. That, repairing the wringer mounting plate, and a good coat of appliance paint, will get this machine in like-new condition again and ready for its maiden load! The original tub-to-base seal ring is gone, so if anyone has any suggestions on what to use to replace it, let me know. Right now I have some adhesive seal on it, but it is permanently sticky and I'm using it only until I find something else. Also, how can I get the tub nut (secures the agitator shaft to the tub and also mounts the tub to base) off safely without breaking it?
--Austin
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Post# 37758-4/17/2004-23:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (Great Oxydol Finds!)
MESSAGE: Wow, these detergents are in better shape than the other finds! Your birthday wish came true in the form of vintage detergents, maybe you'll even find an Apex Wash-A-Matic!
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Post# 37759-4/17/2004-23:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Turnover in the Philco (Mother's Day Dispenser)
MESSAGE: So was her reaction "What a thoughtful son"? Not the kind of gift Moms normally receive on Mother's Day :-)
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Post# 37760-4/17/2004-23:46 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks Everyone
MESSAGE: Sorry I'm late on the birthday best wishes -- been galavanting around Houston all day.
Happy 41st, Robert! Thanks so much for your generousity and enthusiasm in creating this web site and on-line group!
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Post# 37761-4/17/2004-23:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (Unknown brand)
MESSAGE: They look like cheapie model Kenmores
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Post# 37762-4/18/2004-00:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: For my next production while testing my new 'puter, I'll call this little dittie "The Overflow Wash".
Its a 7.5mb video file, so right click this link and select save target as...
LINK: http://68.89.57.239/VID/TEMP/The_Overflow_Wash.wmv
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Post# 37763-4/18/2004-01:47 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks Everyone
MESSAGE: Belated Birthday greetings from your Canadian washing comrade too! Is 41 the year of the Apex??
Wishing you many more!
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Post# 37764-4/18/2004-02:04 ||| Eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: And I think I should be the first to comment on this wonderful video, one that is especially close to my heart! Both Robert and I have this very same model. Marvellous job capturing the essence of this royal machine.
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Post# 37765-4/18/2004-02:34 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: And I'll be the second. I did my own laundry in this machine at the 2001 convention. It was the first time I used an American toploader. Great video Robert, brings back great memories. YAY!
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Post# 37766-4/18/2004-09:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: Excllent work Robert - I love the "water brake" after the spin, when she gets new spin bearings the tub will probably keep turning until it's 1/2 full of water before stopping! Such a fun machine!
Thanks for all your work - you do seem to be enjoying that new computer!
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Post# 37767-4/18/2004-09:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: So that means I'm the third to make a commentary.
The agitator has a long quick stroke, which made for more turnover with a large load. Like the '56 Norge, the agitator's vanes go all the way to the top. It seemed effective since the clothes were literally "whipped" around the tub. The transmission was amazingly quiet; I couldn't even hear it above the sound of running water, just the solenoid "SNAP" when agitation started. And you can't forget the stylish silver agitator cap!
For the spin, it handled an unbalanced load well, with no knocking, banging, or rattling. I wonder if this is where the name "Speed Queen" came from...
This is a beautiful machine, in both form and function!
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Post# 37768-4/18/2004-09:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: Also, is it easier to make videos on the new computer?
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Post# 37769-4/18/2004-09:36 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash (WOW!)
MESSAGE: That is really cool! Your computer did a very nice job. It looks so cool the way the agitator shakes around so fast when it goes into spin! How is your other speed queen doing? Have you made any progress on it?
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Post# 37770-4/18/2004-10:16 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash (I want One)
MESSAGE: I agree. This video brings back such memories. It is unfortunate that these machines are becoming harder and harder to find in the South. I would love to have one. So, if any of you restoration experts want to rebuild and sell one of these babies, I'd take a number...
MRB
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Post# 37771-4/18/2004-10:46 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
Movie of the Week
MESSAGE:
Hey Robert,
Perhaps you could open a movie of the week section to Classic Appliances where hi resolution full cycle length movies could be posted. Due to file size, each movie would only be available for a short time, perhaps just the weekend. Or as a side business, begin creating full length feature films on dvd. Some of the epic titles could be "Gone with the Whirlpool" or "Soapless in Seatle" or "Speed Queen of the Damned" or "Lady Kenmore and the Tramp"
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Post# 37772-4/18/2004-10:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash (I want One)
MESSAGE: Not just Speed Queens, vintage washers PERIOD are becoming harder to find down here, with the exception of an occasional mid-70's Kenmore or Filter-Flo...
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Post# 37773-4/18/2004-11:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Filter-Flo POD
MESSAGE: Another wonderful solid-tub Filter-Flo, with the Suds Saver feature! This is the earliest ad I've seen where a manufacturer states a flaw in a competitor's machine. In this ad, "the filter will not clog or impede water flow," is an obvious comment about the Kenmore machines at the time, where the lint filter/recirculation nozzle were in one unit.
Also, look at the weekly payment, only $3.30, although in the late 50's it seemed a lot more than it does now.
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Post# 37774-4/18/2004-12:36 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: I second this idea! I don't have room in a basement to fill it full of all the washers that I'd like to own, but having DVDs of various machines, showing a full cycle, would be something that I would pay for. The poor man's archive!
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Post# 37775-4/18/2004-13:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
BD Whirlpool Stackable on eBay
MESSAGE: A nice Whirlpool ThinTwin from the 80's, about 3/4 size of a regular washer. This is the BD model, with a smaller version of the Surgilator and a waterfall recirculating filter. If anybody's looking for a stackable this is the way to go.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20715&item=3810609053&rd=1
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Post# 37776-4/18/2004-13:05 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Holy Phosphates Batman (More Today)
MESSAGE: Look how well they go with the Hotpoint!
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Post# 37777-4/18/2004-13:12 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter-Flo POD (Solid Tub Question)
MESSAGE: I'm showing my mechanical ignorance here, but how do solid-tub FilterFlos work? How is the water recirculated without an outer tub?
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Post# 37778-4/18/2004-14:13 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Attention,GE fans!
MESSAGE: In my travels today I aquired a GE electric dryer,or as it says on the console,"clothes conditioner". Model 1DA820P3W,serial YN215299.The console stands above the top,similar to todays POD.Uses a foot pedal to open the door.White in color,average condition for the age.Unknown working condition.Any interest in this vintage piece? Let me know,before it makes it's way to "appliance heaven".
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Post# 37779-4/18/2004-15:14 ||| mulls (Johnson City,Tn)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter-Flo POD (Solid Tub Question)
MESSAGE: Hi
Not an expert here but here is the scoop-I think.the tub overfilled,and the filter flo got its water that way-sort of a constant overflow.Filter flo of course would not function on partial loads.
Tom
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Post# 37780-4/18/2004-17:22 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
Machine Queens - Laundry
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,
Just saw a small article in Out Magazine May Issues on Machine Queens (page 42). It seems that the club it getting some recongnition and we have to thank Robert for it. But we all need to check out an interview published in A Passion to Preserve:Gay Men as Keeper of Culter by Will Fellows the University of Wisconin Press. Good Work Robert!!
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Post# 37781-4/18/2004-17:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter-Flo POD (Solid Tub Question)
MESSAGE: Correct me if I'm wrong, but on a solid tub, the water was drawn through a square hole in the middle of the agitator, pumped, and filtered in the pan at the top of the agitator.
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Post# 37782-4/18/2004-17:57 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Movie of the Week (Movie of the Week)
MESSAGE: Now, that's creative. It must be your day off from work, so the creativity is flowing! How about Frigid-aire-no-more or When the Westinghouse Was Won.....Jerry
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Post# 37783-4/18/2004-18:11 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
Speaking about Filter Flos...
MESSAGE: My grandmother had a used Filter Flo she picked up at a used appliance store- a late 50's model-with the orange dial- that sounded like a truck was running when it ran. My neighbor has a mid to late 70's model minibasket/Filter Flo. When she's away at art shows, I feed her dogs, which happened again this weekend, so I took her Filter Flo for a "spin", and it pretty much made the same sound as Grandma's. Ah, the memories. Do all GE's make the same noise? MACK TRUCK, or is it because of it's age & lack of service all these years. If she replaces it, it's coming to my house! Won't be anytime soon, cause she literally is a starving artist....
Jerry
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Post# 37784-4/18/2004-18:22 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter-Flo POD (Solid Tub Question)
MESSAGE: Exactly - constant overflow. There was also a small hole under the agitator that allowed for sediment to be flushed from the tub. When the machine fills, approximately three gallons of water flow into the outer tub so the filter-flo only worked at full water level, without the overflow there wasn't enough water to operate the recirculating system.
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Post# 37785-4/18/2004-18:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter-Flo POD (Solid Tub Question)
MESSAGE: That was the pre-filter flo models. On some models, there was a sleeve that could be moved up exposing holes in the agitator shaft that would allow for a less than full load. The GE machines were good for rural areas with low water pressure since the water level was measured.
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Post# 37786-4/18/2004-18:35 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ]
MESSAGE:
Is Whirlpool / Kenmore the only brand to have the timer push on pull off design? When did they reverse it to be the push off / pull on we see today? Did they change it for safety reasons? Or did they switch timer subcontractors?
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Post# 37787-4/18/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash (I want One)
MESSAGE: This is the problem I have run into-You can find LOTS of vintage WP-KN machines,but hardly any Filter-Flos,Speed Queens or Norges-I ask for them but the swap shops here almost don't want anything to do with them-They say-"we don't work on those"<"nobody wants 'em","we don't get those much",I told them I was interested.I left my numbers with them in case they run into any.I told them I wanted the early 60's or fifties models.One shop says he runs into them occasionally.Anyway,they and I were looking.I call the places frequently.
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Post# 37788-4/18/2004-19:06 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ] (Push on pull off timers)
MESSAGE: I wonder the same thing myself.
I know the 50's Frigidaires were push to start.
Maybe it's a safety feature
Jerry
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Post# 37789-4/18/2004-19:28 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ]
MESSAGE: I thought Whirlpool/Kenmore changed to pull on/push off because the Whirlpool dial would tend to wear out rubbing against the control panel...?
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Post# 37790-4/18/2004-20:02 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ] (Indicator dial)
MESSAGE:
That may be true. But did the indicator dial move in and out on the Whirlpool models? I seem to recall that the cycle wheel stayed in position and only the center shaft moved in and out. Did this changeover occur when the went to the disposable timers? If memory serves, I can recall seeing more worn cycle wheels on the dryers than on the washing machines. Could be just my luck, though.
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Post# 37791-4/18/2004-20:05 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ] (Push to Start)
MESSAGE:
Oh that Frigidaire and their push to start arrow. Were they the only ones to have this feature? Did they hold a patten(sp) on it? And how about that time speed? Accelorating for smaller loads to save time and water. Someone else must have done this too, right?
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Post# 37792-4/18/2004-20:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Curious)
MESSAGE: I looked up their website and they showed these machines and how good they are supposed to be.- don't know anyone who has or uses one.However-I think I would consider one of these over a Maytag Neptune!In the Epinions and CU findings the Neptunes seem more Dreaded than the Staber.Its the factor that Neptunes are more advertised and distribuited.
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Post# 37793-4/18/2004-20:11 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1972 Washer/Dryer Set on eBay (The Beginning of the end)
MESSAGE: True, things did start to change around this time.
[1] The timer indicaters and knobs went ugly.
[2] The tubs got bigger.
[3] The spin tube got shorter.
[4] The paint job got thinner.
[5] Water filtering became self cleaning.
If I don't see a chrome handle on the lid, then it is not nervana. Standard Capacity is preferred. Super roto swirl is expected, but straight vane will do in a pinch. Manual clean lint filter adds a little extra action during wash/rinse.
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Post# 37794-4/18/2004-20:14 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Staber awayber)
MESSAGE: I know what you mean. I don't understand the Staber facination. And the price? You're kidding me, right? Not nearly enough drama for that 1K.
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Post# 37795-4/18/2004-20:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: In watching this video clip-well produced at that-reminds me of the SQ washers in that early 70's apartment house.Just like the one in the video.The picture even has the "lid lock" hole in the lower right corner of the washer lid opening.In those days had to have the screwdriver or pocketknife handy to open the lid in case the lock didn't release when the washer finished.I loved to watch those machines when they had them-other residents thought I was nuts-I would say"just like to watch it"-you should watch it sometime".also I do this to aviod the lid lock jamming."The agitator in the washer in your picture has the same cap as the ones I used to use-just exaxctly like them.The washers and agitators were blue in color-very atttractive blue at that.Do you have scenes of its VERY deep rinse-I would remember the water so deep only the agitator cap showed above the water in the ones I used.
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Post# 37796-4/18/2004-20:19 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Thanks Everyone (Thanks)
MESSAGE: I'll add my wishes as well! This is a great, enjoyable website for enthusiasts like myself. Until I got my own computer in November, I didn't know something like it existed.
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Post# 37797-4/18/2004-20:24 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
A Kenmore Memory
MESSAGE: My Grandmother had an automatic Kenmore with one cycle. One water level. Three temperature wash selecter. The cycle was Normal. It started with 12 minutes at the one o'clock position on the dial and finished at about the 11 o'clock position. The console was done up in black and white. The design on the left hand side was a series of eliptical rings overlapping. It had a black bakelite agitator. Straight vane with the little matching crown on top much like the chrome top on the Speed Queen. Manual lint filter was plastic and golden in color. It lived in the utility room out back of her house. The water drained on the ground in the back yard. When it finished, I would hold the clothes pin bag while she hung them up to dry. (Funny what you remember when you think back)
Anyone ever seen one of these? I'd love to have a picture of it, at least.
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Post# 37798-4/18/2004-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Staber awayber)
MESSAGE: I think for the $1k price they could include a window or porthole so you could watch it work.(its a top-load cylinder machine much like the Lauder-all)It seem like all of the H axis machines built these days have the overpriced 1K price tag.Not justified-esp when Staber brags "how simple" their mechanism is.-you can even repair it at home" They say ontheir website.They even have repair instructions on the website(at the time I looked at it)You would think the windowless and simple mechanism design-the price tag would be MUCH LESS than 1K.In looking at machines in the stores-the WP duet and the LG machines even have chromed framed dramatic portholes on their machines.-both the washer and dryer.
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Post# 37799-4/18/2004-20:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash (Loaded Question)
MESSAGE: Why do I feel like this is a loaded question :)
Yes, its much easier to capture and digitize videos on the new computer, its just as difficult thought to set up the camera, get the lighting just right and film the acutal wash load.
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Post# 37800-4/18/2004-20:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash (Loaded Question)
MESSAGE: Well, I guess the answer was somewhat obvious... :)
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Post# 37801-4/18/2004-20:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash (WOW!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie, no I haven't started to work on my '57 SQ yet, I'm still working on my '59 RCA Color Television, once that is done then I will work on the SQ. I only allow myself to have one major project going on at a time to prevent the workshop from getting out of control. Greg was kind enough to bring me a good used centerpost for the SQ as that is the only part I didn't have that needs replacing, so I'm all ready to go once I have the television done. TV's can take months though, my '51 Zenith took five months of work to get it nearly perfect.
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Post# 37802-4/18/2004-20:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Movie of the Week (Full Cycle Vid's)
MESSAGE: About four years ago when we were still on the Yahoo club, I made a VHS tape of the entire cycle of the '58 Unimatic, '58 Whirlpool Combo, '59 Bendix Combo and another machine (old members help me, my memory is going in my old age). I recorded this and sent this out to about 15 of our members, it was a lot of work to copy all those tapes and get it all in the mail. Although the responses were a lot of fun as this was the first time many people saw these vintage machines running and for Louis, I believe it was his first view of an American Top Loader. I swore I wouldn't do that again because of how much time it took (probably 20 hours of work). Anyway, I had been thinking of making DVD's of the full cycle of a washer and selling them on Ebay to raise funds to pay for the server. When I get some time I will look into that.
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Post# 37803-4/18/2004-20:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Filter-Flo POD (Solid Tub Question)
MESSAGE: Some pump the water up through the agitator (what we call a Burp-a-lator) such as Hotpoint or Norge and some overflow the wash and rinse water constantly and pump it back up though a filter, such as GE and some Velva-Power Blackstones. Check out this 1958 GE Filter-Flo Chart...
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/GE_FlowChart.jpg
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Post# 37804-4/18/2004-20:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Movie of the Week
MESSAGE: Unfortunately posting a hi-res, full cycle movie would be about 1GB in size. We would go though our 10GB alloted bandwith in notime and could face some pretty heavy monthly fees. :(
I'm hoping in the future technology will allow us to do this much cheaper and easier.
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Post# 37805-4/18/2004-20:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kenmore Memory (Sounds like a 60's machine)
MESSAGE: BOL Kenmore automatic with a gold straght-vane, 1-cycle selector, and a manual clean lint filter...haven't heard of one. Could be the precursor to the 24" 2 or 3-cycle Galaxy series, with a beige plastic control panel, black knobs, dark grey DD straight-vane agitator, and VERY SMALL tub. There were 2 models, the BASIC washer was only $200, with one knob; the other washer was $220 (I think) with a small/large load size selector. My aunt & uncle had this washer for about 2-3 years with a Norge dryer before they bought the Frigemore; although I never saw it in action (I wonder how the turnover was...)
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Post# 37806-4/18/2004-21:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Movie of the Week (Full Cycle Vid's)
MESSAGE: Wow, that sounds like fun! If you list the DVDs on eBay, I'd definitely buy one, for the entertainment and to support Applianceville!
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Post# 37807-4/18/2004-21:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: I stopped filming during the rinse fill. Solenoid Speed Queens do make for lots of drama and in my opinion are one of the most fun machines to watch out there.
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Post# 37808-4/18/2004-21:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: When I watched the video, it had very splashy, sudsy, and fun agitation because of the long, fast stroke. My favorite part is the "SNAP" of the solenoids when agitation and spin begin. Very entertaining washer, like the WCI-58 Unimatic and the Philco!
How fast does a Speed Queen spin?
--Austin
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Post# 37809-4/18/2004-21:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Bendix Powersurge
MESSAGE: I was browsing through the "Wanted-Reward" section when I saw a RARE Bendix Powersurge Washer, with a disc agitator similar to the Philco and Calypso; another great example of experimental wash technology. When were these made?
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/WANTED/WANTED%20BENDIX/WantedBendix.jpg
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Post# 37810-4/19/2004-00:13 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Spin Direction
MESSAGE: Great video footage of Speed Queen overflow wash! I noticed that it spins counter-clockwise. Wonder why some machines went clockwise & others counter-clockwise. Any reason or advantage to spin direction?
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Post# 37811-4/19/2004-00:15 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Powersurge (Life Magazine Ad)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I have a copy of a 1955 Life magazine with an advertisement for this type of Bendix washer. It shows a woman with a white glove on dipping her gloved hand into the machine during the wash cycle proclaiming that it could get it clean just by putting it into the machine!
So, I'd have to say these machines were around in the mid-fifties...
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Post# 37812-4/19/2004-00:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Movie of the Week (Full Cycle Vid's)
MESSAGE: The fourth machine was the ABC. I still play that video now and then, I still remember my amazement about how these washers worked. Besides it also brings good memories back from the convention where I saw these machines work. A DVD would be great!
Louis
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Post# 37813-4/19/2004-00:26 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
Fab Ad
MESSAGE: I was just looking at that awesome video clip of the "Applianceville Theme Song" for Fab and was saddened by the fact that of all the machines the lovely spokeswoman rattled off during her song, only two are still in existance...Maytag and Whirlpool.
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Post# 37814-4/19/2004-00:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Direction
MESSAGE: This is an interesting observation-sounds like the SQ washers spin in the opposite direction than WP-KN machines.Could be something to do with reversal of the drive motor rotation-or gearing in the xmission or belt drives.Like with GE machines that reversed the motor to make the machine go to spin mode?
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Post# 37815-4/19/2004-00:44 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Curious)
MESSAGE: Hi,
first of all a belated 'happy birthday' to Robert and thank you so much for building up www.classicappliances.com.
Concerning the h-axis washers Miele built in the 60 s:
They had a twin-tub machine in the sixties called the Miele 403. It was built until the late 60s. Then they tried a relaunch in the 80s with another modell that had new features such as energie-saving cycle and less water consumption, but that one did not last very long, as most of the consumers wanted to buy fully automatic washers and no twin-tubs.
LINK: http://waschmaschinen-forum.de/Miele403/Miele403.html
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Post# 37816-4/19/2004-00:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: That film clip sure brought back memories-was very good-just like using those old SQ washers again.Too bad the apartment house management-or was it the laundry company that provided the machines removed them.They were replaced with Whirlpools that had Surgilator agitators. Those worked really well too-but were not as interesting as the SQ. I think one of the reasons the SQ's were replaced was some residents complained about the jamming lid locks.I lived in that aparpment building for about three washer changes!They replaced the Whirlpools in the early 80's with SQ machines-these were from Ratheon-Amana.They were boring in comparison to the earlier SQ machines.-No deep rinse!!They still worked well though.Better than DD machines today.
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Post# 37817-4/19/2004-01:01 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: I hated those lid locks, too. But wasn't very impressed with Speed Queen. Other than the stainless steel tub, the agitators were somewhat boring; reminiscent of an agitator one would find in a wringer washer...however, I do like the sound the Speed Queen makes during agitation cycles.
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Post# 37818-4/19/2004-01:10 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ]
MESSAGE: Frigidaire had it and possibly some others that I'm blanking out at the moment. My understanding is all machines after a certain point were changed to the push to stop pull to start, the thinking being in an emergency situation you'd try pushing first.
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Post# 37819-4/19/2004-01:18 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: Yes,the straight bladed agitators were boring-but effective.Yes those machines were also a Foley mans dream.Clicks,clacks,clanks-all kinds of sounds.I'll take a SQ machine over most offered today.You would have to go to Alliance Laundry Products to buy a new one-too bad the new ones don't have the deep rinse.
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Post# 37820-4/19/2004-01:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ]
MESSAGE: Or yanking the plug from the outlet above and behind the machine.In most laundry areas the outlets are arranged that way-Could be for that reason.
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Post# 37821-4/19/2004-01:28 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Launderall POD (Curious)
MESSAGE: Hello Kai,
I'm drooling over those pictures!!!! I remember those two models being displayed in the window of a store. Actually they had a hole line-up of Miele appliances. But the 401 and 403 were next to eachother just like in the picture. My paternal grandmother bought the 401. I was fascinated with that machine!
Louis
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Post# 37822-4/19/2004-02:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ]
MESSAGE: Scott, I remember the Whirlpool dealer for whom I used to work said that -- it's more natural to push the knob to shut the machine off in an emergency than to grab hold of it and pull.
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Post# 37823-4/19/2004-06:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fab Ad
MESSAGE: I counted 5 brands. Speed Queen is only making commercial machines, Thor is making small washer/dryer combos (look at the logo; it's the same logo & company that existed at the time), Hotpoint is making low-end plastic machines, and of course Maytag and Whirlpool are still mainstream.
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Post# 37824-4/19/2004-06:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: Speed Queen had a nearly-identical agitator in their wringer machines, made through the 70's. It had the same chrome cap on it, however, it didn't have the long vanes at the top.
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Post# 37825-4/19/2004-07:27 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fab Ad (SQ/Thor)
MESSAGE: Speed Queen does have a line of "homestyle" machines, but there only sold through commercial dealers (stupid move on Alliance's part, since they're missing out on a lucrative market).
Thor was out of sight for a long time before resurfacing with these combos. Their website makes no mention of a parent company, implying that Thor is a fully independent entity, but it doesn't explain where they disappeared to for all those years. Interestingly, Thor's "laundry system" (a combo and a companion dryer) is branded Apex. If this has any connection to the original Apex brand, I don't know.
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Post# 37826-4/19/2004-07:41 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fab Ad (SQ/Thor)
MESSAGE: I believe the Philco brand name was sold to an Italian company that manufactured machines under the Philco, Thor and Bendix brand names in foreign markets with limited distribution in the US of the combinations. I remember seeing a website for Bendix/Thor that pictured the '47 Automatic Home Laundry machine in it's 'history' section.
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Post# 37827-4/19/2004-07:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Bendix Powersurge (Life Magazine Ad)
MESSAGE: Isn't that a great ad? This machine was introduced for the 1956 model year and was discontinued in the takeover of Bendix Home Appliances by Philco in 57-58. I had scanned the sales literature and specs for this machine but can't find them now. The mechanism is very similar to that used in the later Automagic Philcos in '59. I'll try to scan the pages again later today...
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Post# 37828-4/19/2004-12:37 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
RE: Timers - [ Push On ] [ Pull Off ]
MESSAGE: The early, pre-mid 70's Kenmores also pulled out to stop and pushed in to start.
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Post# 37829-4/19/2004-14:30 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Overflow Wash
MESSAGE: COOL. That's just like the SQ that was at the last convention. The motor constantly runs and the solenoid goes BANG! when it changes cycles.
Those machines seemed like they were really rough on clothes.
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Post# 37830-4/19/2004-14:34 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Movie of the Week (Full Cycle Vid's)
MESSAGE: 1. ABC O Matic
2. Frigidaire WCI-58
3. WP Combo
4. Bendix Duomatic.
That tape's on the same shelf with my roller coaster videos so consider yourself honored.
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Post# 37831-4/19/2004-14:55 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Sorry to be so late, but Happy Birthday Robert! Just wanted you guys to know there is a lovely Frigidaire Flair range on ebay. Now one of us HAS to get this ......c'mon you New York boys!!!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20712&item=3810109754&rd=1&tc=photo
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Post# 37832-4/19/2004-15:09 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
A BEAUTIFUL FRIGIDAIRE STOVE FROM THE 30's
MESSAGE: NOW YOU GUYS HAVE TO BID ON THIS STUFF SO WE DON'T LOSE THESE GREAT APPLIANCES TO SUZY HOMEMAKER! ..... I WOULD LOVE TO BID BUT JUST DON'T HAVE THE ROOM!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20712&item=3810392211&rd=1&tc=photo
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Post# 37833-4/19/2004-15:44 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fab Ad (SQ/Thor)
MESSAGE: And I have you know those homestyle machines are pretty expensive and a bit of work to have delivered and installed. I looked at one model when Maytag bought back my defective unit. The price of the SQ was around $950 for a top loader plus over $100 for delivery and another $100+ for installation.
AND, though there is a warranty, it is only on selected parts and never includes labor- - even in the first year. I went with the Whirlpool - as much as I wanted the stainless tub and straight vane agitator, that was just too much money for me to put out - heck for another few hundred, I could have a Duet with heater.........
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Post# 37834-4/19/2004-16:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: My house was built in 1967 and when an owner rented it out during the 70's, a lady mentioned there was a range with a pull-out burner drawer in it at the time (she never mentioned anything about a top oven though). I wonder if it was a Frigidaire Flair...
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Post# 37835-4/19/2004-16:26 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Tappan had a similar model.
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Post# 37836-4/19/2004-17:00 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Okay, here is how all appliances on eBay should be shown.
MESSAGE: A bit off topic considering the machines, but NICE format!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42232&item=3810408789&rd=1
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Post# 37837-4/19/2004-17:02 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them!
MESSAGE: These are neat machines, I believe someone else has these in avacado? Any way, these are in white and good condition!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42233&item=3810322346&rd=1
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Post# 37838-4/19/2004-17:11 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
eBay Vintage parts and manuals store!
MESSAGE: This could really help a lot of you! There are a couple 1-18 washer manuals there.
LINK: http://stores.ebay.com/Daves-Repair-Service_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm
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Post# 37839-4/19/2004-17:14 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Okay, here is how all appliances on eBay should be shown.
MESSAGE:
WOW!
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Post# 37840-4/19/2004-17:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them!
MESSAGE: I believe those are early 1970s.
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Post# 37841-4/19/2004-17:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Okay, here is how all appliances on eBay should be shown. (All sellers should do this)
MESSAGE: One thing I'm sick of is when there's a washer of a certain vintage on eBay that I'm interested in, many people DO NOT INCLUDE A PICTURE OF THE AGITATOR/TUB IN THEIR AD!!! The machine might look good on the outside, but the washtub is rusted out. I end up usually having to send them an email, and some people still don't send me a picture.
Why not include a picture of the fill valves in the ad as well?
--Austin
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Post# 37842-4/19/2004-18:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them!
MESSAGE: These machines are just BEAUTIFUL! They look as if they were hardly used! I was about to start jumping up and yelling when I saw "Dallas", but unfortunately it's Dallas, Oregon. Better luck next time...
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Post# 37843-4/19/2004-18:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them!
MESSAGE: In case you were wondering, Todd (washerlover) has this set in avocado. He tried selling them on eBay about 2 weeks ago but no one was interested, which is surprising because he lives close to California, where there are many appliance fans!
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Post# 37844-4/19/2004-18:18 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: FRIGIDAIRE FLAIR ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: ..as did Sears.
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Post# 37845-4/19/2004-18:40 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them!
MESSAGE: I've got the same set in avocado green and after posting them on ebay, no one wanted them. I'm selling my house in Phoenix and am leaving them with the house...
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Post# 37846-4/19/2004-19:42 ||| todde (longbeach)
SUBJECT:
Applianceville "OUTED"
MESSAGE: Hi Guys: Got the new issue of OUT magazine today dated May and the club is mentioned and a beautiful picture I think of a vintage Frigidaire set. Some quotes by Robert Segar and a small article. Very interesting, plus a link to applianceville, so the board will probably have some new visitors. The article is a quarter of a page, keep a look out for it.
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Post# 37847-4/19/2004-19:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them!
MESSAGE: I hope that the future owner will appreciate the machines and keep them.
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Post# 37848-4/19/2004-20:46 ||| mrmaytag (Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them!
MESSAGE: Well, that's the set that I have been looking for in the right color. However, like the set that "washerlover" has, they have a small problem for me, that is, they are way too far away for me to think about. So I will have to keep looking!
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Post# 37849-4/19/2004-20:56 ||| Bobofhollywood (HOLLYWOOD MD)
SUBJECT:
'47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY
MESSAGE: These are the last remaining machines from my Arlington Virginia Imperial laundry studio. They're on ebay right now and here's the link. 100 bucks takes any of these auctions....I've got 4 HE washers I can use now, so these old machines no longer do it for me, any longer. They're great machines. Hopefully somebody here will give them a new home. Thanks.
peace.
BOB WIRTH
LINK: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=IMPERIALBOB&sort=3&rows=25&since=-1&rd=1
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Post# 37850-4/19/2004-21:08 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY
MESSAGE: BOB!!!!!! Why do you tease me so?!?!?!? When you KNOW I'm running out of room!
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Post# 37851-4/19/2004-21:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Applianceville "OUTED"
MESSAGE: Can somebody scan the article for those who don't get that magazine?
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Post# 37852-4/19/2004-21:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY
MESSAGE: It's sad that these are just too far away for me. I'd LOVE to have the '54 Kenmores!
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Post# 37853-4/19/2004-21:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY
MESSAGE: My grandmother had a washer very similar to the '54 Kenmore, but didn't have the chrome "Kenmore" strip on front. Or maybe it did, but was painted white. She had that machine until about 1970. It had been given to her by a friend.
I remember the lid hinges. The temp control was marked Hot, Med, and Warm, but I think had been changed out with a different switch and valve that was actually hot, warm, and cold. She always started the cycle at the very beginning of the Fill section, and so had a VERY LONG wash. She insisted the clothes would NEVER get clean if the wash was shortened.
It was very rusty around the top. She unloaded carefuly so as to not get rust stains on her clothes, especially the whites.
The infamous Kelvinator co-existed with the Kenmore, until she got the avocado Kenmore 70 (the Kelvy and the old Kenmore were krushed).
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Post# 37854-4/19/2004-22:01 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY
MESSAGE: Interesting story; I run long cycles sometimes. If a load is REALLY dirty or large, like a comforter and a set of sheets, then I wash it for 14 minutes on the "Heavy Duty" cycle (using the boring DD Kenmore, you'd be amazed at how much I can stuff in this machine). If it's small enough to wash in the Maytag, then I run it through 2 5-min. cycles. And if it's a tiny load, then I wash it in the Monitor for 5-10 minutes (using a separate timer since the Monitor is a very primitive machine with no timer or even a switch on it).
As for the Kelvinator and Kenmore, didn't they start having some mechanical problems? Also, do you have the same amount of luck as me finding a vintage washer in Texas? It seems that every estate sale/resale shop I go to I only find a WP/KN or GE.
--Austin
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Post# 37855-4/19/2004-22:54 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY (Kenmores, washing times, and such)
MESSAGE:
If a load is REALLY dirty or large, like a comforter and a set of sheets, then I wash it for 14 minutes on the "Heavy Duty" cycle . . .
LOL, what do you do to your sheets to get them REALLY dirty? Have supper in bed?
I had a KA DD for 8 years, stuffed it pretty good sometimes, even added more water above the designed "high" level.
The 1950s Kenmore was just old and in bad shape. The Kelvy had an electrical problem. The Kenmore 70 was replaced in the mid 1980s with one of the first Whirlpool Design 2000 DD machines, which was sold (still working with never a repair) when I got the F&P set and granny 'inherited' my KAs.
There's no place around here to find vintage machines. Nobody keeps old machines, and if they did the weather is a killer. I asked some people I know who used to run a store that sold Maytag and Frigidaire, they don't have anything stashed away.
I suppose there may be some used/resale outfits in Victoria, but again, it's doubtful they'd have anything that old. I've been wanting to check out Crosstimbers Appliances in Houston, but I dunno where it is.
A friend in Lenexa KS ran across a vintage 1900s wringer at an antique shop (with a price tag of $895!). She wasn't clear that the desirable machines are vintage automatics, not wringers. Once I cleared that point up, and she mentioned it to her boss in passing, he dropped the bombshell that the house he bought (built in 1951) had a PINK KELVINATOR SET in the basement, and they gave it away. I don't know when this event occurred, but it's long enough ago that the recipients would no longer have the machines. Susan is on the look-out. She's certain that there are more Kelvys
somewhere in Kansas . . . but my luck would never allow for something like that to happen.
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Post# 37856-4/19/2004-23:26 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Spin Direction
MESSAGE: Maytag spins counter-clockwise and so does all GEs(old and new styles). Speed Queen front loaders do too(modern styles for today's laundromats. Frigidaires also spin in the same direction as the GEs and Maytags including White-Westinghouse.
Clock-Wise Spin: WHirlpool, Kenmore, Amana, Speed Queens(coin-operated models), Unimacs, Milnors, Ropers and Kitchenaids. The Maytag Neptunes also spin clockwise(household and commercial).
Chris
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Post# 37857-4/19/2004-23:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY (Kenmores, washing times, and such)
MESSAGE: Our cats like to sleep on my bed, and somehow their fur finds its way onto my sheets...
I do a "deep wash/rinse" on my Kenmore, where I fill it up to the top row of holes. The comforter absorbs a large amount of water during fill and the first minute of agitation, so I sometimes have to add more water to avoid overloading the transmission.
I went to Justified Appliance in the Cy-Fair area, and the owner had a few "OK" finds (nothing good in my opinion). I saw a 70's Kenmore BD that had already been sold, an early 90's Filter-Flo, a mid-90's GE with the "handwash" agitator (this was made before the old design was phased out), and a DD Roper and "plastic" Hotpoint that were so BOL I didn't even know they existed (one mid/late-90's Hotpoint was white, but had a UT ORANGE control panel with a BLACK control knob. I opened up the machine and found a WHITE tub with a BLACK agitator (the worst at hiding hard-water stains)!) This person was somewhat of a ripoff, as he wanted $100 & $120 for the BOL machines, and $180 for the 70's Kenmore. Next time I'm in Houston I'll have to check out Crosstimbers Appliances (I need to look up the address). Maybe I might find a 1-18, but if I happen to stop by I'll let you know what they have.
The main cause of the "vintage washer scarcity" is that people around here (Sealy area) bought their 50's or 60's washer new and used it until it finally quit. So if I lived either in California or up north (like Minneapolis), where people use a washer/vacuum/etc. once and either keep it in the closet for 50 years or give it away because they don't like it, I would probably find a good amount of machines, not just one 70's WP/KN...
--Austin
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Post# 37858-4/19/2004-23:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY (Kenmores, washing times, and such)
MESSAGE: Sounds like the DD KNs were built better 8 yrs ago.I too have a hard time finding 60's,50's machines around here also.The shops say-"You should have called last month-we sent several to the landfill"-"no one wants em"-"you are the only one thats asked for machines that old"The shop that gave the first response even said they threw out several bakelite KN,SQ,GE agitators-they said"we don't get many machines they fit in anymore"I did leave word with these places and call them to see if they get any real vintage machines-you would think there is some "survivors" out there!I guess the big problem here is no basements-so the old machines don't get "pushed aside" in the basement when the new one is installed.They get junked here because of lack of room.
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Post# 37859-4/19/2004-23:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY (Kenmores, washing times, and such)
MESSAGE: In my vac selling endeavors-I and my partner have run into Krby's that are practically unused-Ultimate G models-the person bought it(usually an older person-typically a woman-she would say "the Kirby is too heavy for me"-"my couisin bought it for me") I have a couple as trade ins for the vac I sold them.They like the lighter weight machine we sell better-easier for them to pick up and handle-Even though the Kirby can outclean any canister on deep carpets.
I can understand the long wash times for your bedding because of the cat hair.also the high water setting to keep from breaking your DD coupler-that would make it last longer.If you overloaded your KN DD-the DD coupler would break off preventing damage to the transmission.Its designed to do that.
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Post# 37860-4/19/2004-23:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY
MESSAGE: I like the KN 1954 set-too bad its too far away for me.reminds me of my grandmothers machines.
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Post# 37861-4/20/2004-00:08 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
Frigidaire and a Kenmore =)
MESSAGE: Hi everyone,
Apparently 2004 has been a good year here in applianceville, congrads everyone on their finds. I found a 68 frigidaire set (i think its a 68 anyway) and i bought the kenmores from ebay.
I did have a question tho, i've never had a frigidaire and i don't understand how the fill works. I replaced my water valve because it wouldn't shut off even if the machine was unplugged. Now it fills and fills then when the timer thinks its had enough the water gets shut off, first of all is this normal and if so should i cut down the water pressure from the valve so that all that water isn't going down the drain, and secondly where is all that water going, won't it overfill eventually?
Mine does overflow wash and rinse but i don't know how fast it spins, very cool machine tho =) Next time i take pictures both the machines will be at my new house and they will be much cleaner =) Oh and I'm getting married in August! Its been a good year =)
~Steven and Amanda in San Diego
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/herbburb
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Post# 37862-4/20/2004-07:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =)
MESSAGE: Wow! Great finds (and purchases)! If your Frigidaire is a '68, it could be a RAPIDRY, with a FAST 1010 RPM spin!
The main cause of the flow problem is the water valve. It is most likely in need of replacement.
--Austin
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Post# 37863-4/20/2004-07:42 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
POD: Pearl 'n' Westy
MESSAGE: Ah, memories....I loved my non-reversing, solenoid clanking, lighted-tub Westy front-loader. Break out the Pearl Bailey vinyl and wail, kids!
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Post# 37864-4/20/2004-08:41 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =)
MESSAGE: Hey Steve,
You are exactly right. The Frigidaire is a "timed fill" machine. It's pretty normal for a timed fill machine to underfill or overfill a little bit depending on the water pressure. Excess water overflows into the outer tub which holds a huge amount of water, but as soon as agitation starts, the pump pumps it all out anyway.
If your machine is a Rapidry machine, it will say so on in the Frigidaire nameplate on the control panel. I believe the model number is on the right side front bottom.
Congrats on a good year!
-ph
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Post# 37865-4/20/2004-08:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =)
MESSAGE: Steve I'm assuming you replaced the water valve with a modern automatic washer water valve. The original water valve has a flow restrictor (rubber washer with small hole) placed under the outlet nipple of the valve. This was to slow the fill down so the machine would only overfill a small amount during the normal 4 minute fill cycle. What I do when I replace water valves in timed fill machines is to take the old valve apart and pull out the rubber water restrictor. Then I take the new valve apart and install the rubber restrictor in the new valve. You can turn down the water pressure at the hose valves, but that would produce as good results as using the original restrictor. The 4 minute fill cycle was put in place to make sure that households with low water pressure got a full tub of water, so the restrictors were used to compensate for households with normal and above water pressure values.
By the way, nice pictures :)
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Post# 37866-4/20/2004-09:09 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: Now there is a good tidbit of info I never even knew. That's a pretty good design there so you'd get the right fill pressure without wasting water.
Solid tub machines are the bomb. I'm still waiting for my Window lid Kelvinator (and also the Kenmore 800), one day they'll show up.
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Post# 37867-4/20/2004-10:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: How about this very rare window lid Kenmore, I believe they were only made for a short time and not available in the catalog...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/multimatic850/detail?.dir=/Saturday+Estate+Sales-October+28+2000&.dnm=A+RARE+WINDOW+LID+KENMORE!.jpg
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Post# 37868-4/20/2004-13:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I believe dishwashers (which are almost always timed-fill) also use a flow-restrictor in the water valve.
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Post# 37869-4/20/2004-14:16 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (Good things come to those who wait (it out))
MESSAGE: Hi,
Congrats on your purchase. Of course, you did bid against me but that is what ebay is all about. All in all it worked out, as I found another set, that judging from the pictures you posted, have much nice cabinets (in turquoise) and still have the Lady Kenmore stickers on them. They were also $300 cheaper!
So see folks, it all works out. So if you get outbid, never fear, you can still be a winner.
MK in LBC
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Post# 37870-4/20/2004-15:05 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I'm sure one can be made by cutting a round hole in the lid and installing plexi and a rubber seal around it.
I almost did that to my DD whirlpool washer before I got the Frigemore.
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Post# 37871-4/20/2004-15:08 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY
MESSAGE: Bob, awesome machines! I, too, am one of those unfortunate Westerners who are too far away to make a bid; shipping would be too much $$$. Good luck and I hope these all find great, caring homes!
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Post# 37872-4/20/2004-16:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy
MESSAGE: This is my "dream find", a 70's oval-window Westy front-loader, complete with lighted tub! I like the manually variable water level on these machines, instead of the usual automatic water level based on clothes weight. The SpaceMates version is a little more portable, I think.
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Post# 37873-4/20/2004-16:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: A window lid is a good way to see the spin cycle without defeating the switch, and to also see the clothes turnover/washing action. I'm assuming these Kenmores were used for demos, because I saw in a Sears store in 1998 a window-lid DD machine churning away with poker chips in its tub!
This should very well be the second on my "most wanted" list.
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Post# 37874-4/20/2004-17:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY (Crosstimbers Appliances)
MESSAGE: Glenn,
The address for "Crosstimbers Appliances" is 1315 Crosstimbers, and their phone # is 713-692-8530.
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Post# 37875-4/20/2004-17:59 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I remember seeing that also right about then,a window lid and a plastic tub. If i remember correctly sears was advertising their new "Triple Action Agitator".
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Post# 37876-4/20/2004-18:12 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Attention,GE fans! (last chance)
MESSAGE: Last call on this GE electric "clothes conditioner" dryer.Located in Northern Indiana.I need the room,and it goes out the back door next week......
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Post# 37877-4/20/2004-18:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: When I lived in Manassas VA,there was a Wards store and a Sears store in the same shopping center.The Sears display machine had a lighted interior,transparent outer and inner tank,and a "push to Start" button on the display machine.It was a DD KN-the tub had brightly colored rags in it.Was amusing to watch-meanwhile at the Wards store they had a transparent tanked Maytag with the Auger bladed "load Sensor agitator.You had to get the Salesman-he demostrated the machine first with poker chips-than put LIGHT BULBS in the machine to show they didn't get broken while the machine agitated.Sure enough-generated enough to circulate the poker chip and light bulb mixture in the tub-none of the bulbs got broken.They also had an intact Maytag machine with the panels off so you could see the machansim.The wards had the more interesting display.They were not promoting THEIR brand machines at all!Looks like they wanted to be a Maytag dealer in the worst way!!
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Post# 37878-4/20/2004-19:20 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =)
MESSAGE: Great photos,thanks for sharing.Congrads on your new home,and the upcoming wedding!! FYI I have a 1965 Kenmore 800 set in turquoise,and had an auto body shop repaint the cabinets last year.They look brand new,and it really wasn't expensive.Everyone loves them.Even my friends that don't understand appliance collecting! (:
Best of luck,
Rickr
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Post# 37879-4/20/2004-19:20 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: When I worked for Circuit City we had the same Maytag display, but we also had what was essentially a bean bag that fit on top the agitator to show off its load sensor ability to increase torque when there was a heavy load upon it. It was always one of my favorites.
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Post# 37880-4/20/2004-19:26 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: As you know Circuit City no longer carries major "white Goods" type appliances-at least the store in my area no longer carries them-had a clearence sale on Major appliances a few years ago.I didn't see the "bean bag" demo.I guess that style Maytag is no longer carried?
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Post# 37881-4/20/2004-20:01 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Both classics!)
MESSAGE: Timeless, distinctive, and unforgettable. And the washer's great, too!
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Post# 37882-4/20/2004-21:15 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: So that's what a Penta-Vane looks like. I could gather "five" from the name, but didn't know the design looked so unassuming. I wonder what the Penta-Swirl looked like. I remember seeing it listed for some of the models in the old catalogs.
I can remember Sears's first dual action agitator in the late '70s, which was a belt drive, and the TV commercial for it. It showed a family just dumping baskets of clothes into the machine with "Fill 'er up, fill 'er up, fill 'er up" being sung to a marching band-like track of music and a voiceover describing the wash action.
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Post# 37883-4/20/2004-21:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I may have one of those early dual action jobs-This one has a very loud ratchet sound as it agitates.The agitator drive system is different than others I have used.I was figuring this one was an early one.I never saw the TV spot for it.You just don't want to "fill er up" too much or you will wear out the agitator and auger drive cams sooner than usual.The SN plate is on the lower left front panel of the machine-not at the tub opening as others were.
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Post# 37884-4/20/2004-21:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: In case you were wondering, here's an example of a Penta-Swirl. They seem to resemble the vane agitators (not dual-action) in the "plastic GE's" of today somewhat.
The Dual-Action was a good idea at the time for the Kenmores, especially since they had HUGE tubs. Unfortunately you didn't need a long agitator stroke to drive it, which, sooner or later, would lead to the demise of the BD Kenmore machines. People who have BD and DD versions say the BD Dual-Action cleans and turns over better large items, naturally. Today the BD Kenmore Dual-Action from the mid-70's is the most common vintage washer, with many still going without any repairs, and they look modern enough to where the owners think they're much newer than the 70's...
The one upside to DD is that you can really stuff it without breaking the agitator or motor coupler. I can wash a queen size comforter, along with a set of queen size sheets in one load, and they come out clean. However, I always add more water after it's filled to prevent an overload.
--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/calypsobruce/detail?.dir=/Kenmore&.dnm=Penta+Swirl.jpg
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Post# 37885-4/20/2004-21:44 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (Oh that was you lbcarguy =))
MESSAGE: Hello,
Thanks for all the nice posts, i did replace the water valve with an original frigidaire part that i got from Affordable Appliance (a nice person in here referred me to them) I'll just restrict the water flow, i don't think the machine is a rapiddry model but i love it anyway!
Sorry about outbidding you lbcarguy i had no idea you were a club member, frankly i thought i was going to get outbid cuz i wasn't around for the end of the auction hence the whopping bid. You are more than welcome to come see them, i've not even tried them out yet, but the lights are cool.
One day i'll get the front painted and try and restore the control panels.
Thanks all!
~Steven
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Post# 37886-4/20/2004-21:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: That's the first type of Dual-Action agitator Kenmore had. It used a spring-loaded dog that pushed up against another dog in the auger part of the mechanism. When the machine agitated, the lower dog ratcheted with each stroke, causing the "click-and-turn" sound you hear. Very primitive mechanism compared to some of today's Dual-Action machines. This is also the rarest type of Dual-Action agitator.
In the mid-70's Kenmore switched to the quieter four-dog ratchet mechanism they still use today.
Larry (CleanteamofNY) has a washer with the early mechanism, and there are some photos of the disassembled agitator here.
LINK: http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/cleanteamofny
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Post# 37887-4/20/2004-21:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: The Penta-Swirl agitator pictured in your link is like whats in my mothers BD KN.She bought it about 1976.She has had the outer tank replaced in it-the machine is still in use.Its kinda interesting GE almost "mimics" and "plagerizes" KN agitators-Their version of the Roto-Swirl,a dual action-than the one you saw in a presetn plastic GE machine.See MANY of those in the graveyards around here.-either permenetly "interred" or waiting for the "krusher"The 1970's WP-KN machines hold up well!!I sort of wonder if comforters,rugs and other large wash items should be taken to the laudramat and run thru one of their large"big boy" type tumbler machines--I would thin k it would be easier on the item and the machine.Also When watching my mothers "penta-Swirl" machine the agitator strokes are slower.The strokes per minute are slower.-but it does have powerful-but gentle action.
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Post# 37888-4/20/2004-22:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: Looked at the pictures in your link-yes this is the one that I have.My machine doesn't have the extra features like the one in the link.Mine dosen't have the second rinse,or the dispensors.Actually I like this drive suystem better-I have another agitator with the newer systems and this old actually works better.At this point I am going to use it and enjoy it.I think the BD still give better performance even wit the DA agitators-The longer strokes helped the auger turn better.I see better auger action and turnover in this machine that I recently acquired over the DD model I used to have.
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Post# 37889-4/21/2004-00:23 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (Something old, something new)
MESSAGE: I'm glad you brought this up, I was in my brothers place yesterday looking for the leak in the machine and I think I have found it! It's on the side wall of the tub where the triple dispenser hose for the bleach connects to the tub. All I have to do is replace that line and she'll be ready to go!
There's a lot of detergent and lime build up on the base of the outer-tub and only a few rust spots around the base of the shaft and one screw that mounts the tub, but nothing to worry about. Otherwise, she's a gem!
As for the agitator, I think it is best for fill-err-up for the auger to work properly or it will just agitate back and forth like a straight vane agitator since this is the original design, with a half load I believe it will do this..... so don't be afraid to load it!
The new change to the auger dogs allow the auger to free wheel so it will turn the load over at all water levels and it's a little quieter by an 1/8 of an percent......
Larry
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Post# 37890-4/21/2004-01:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (Something old, something new)
MESSAGE: Yes-when you use a dual action machine you learn with expereience how much clothes to put in it to "load" the agitator.If the auger isn't loaded enough it won't turn or "grab" the clothes to pull them down.The turnover currents are for the large part made by the base vanes.The auger is needed to "pull the items down by grabbing them and pulling them down to the agitator base blades.I just didn't want to "load" it too much and wear the agitator parts out.If you hear it making VERY LOUD clicking or clacking noises-its too much.
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Post# 37891-4/21/2004-07:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (Something old, something new)
MESSAGE: The agitator is meant to handle a large load, and the mechanism is probably tougher than the newer version, since the teeth are bigger on the dogs. However, I wouldn't wash
LARGE loads regularly, which will definitely wear it out. After washing a comforter, I take the agitator apart and inspect the auger and the four ratcheting dogs. There is usually no wear to any of the parts; the only wear that's present is from age, since it's 6 years old. If they need replacement, I could order a new auger and dogs and it'll work great.
Btw, the "auger" system of the Dual-Action is sort of a "forced turnover" washing action. An equivalently sized load washed in a straight-vane would probably just sit there, unless it's a Roto-Swirl or Super Surgilator...
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Post# 37892-4/21/2004-08:45 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: Is it me or are the Yahoo photo albums not working correctly? I can hardly get any of the photos to come up. Mark
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Post# 37893-4/21/2004-08:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
E2 Maytag Wringer Available
MESSAGE: A friend of mine has found an E2 Maytag Wringer. The owner wants $150 for it. It's in pretty good shape for it's age. Mark
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Post# 37894-4/21/2004-10:47 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: The old BD DAA definitely had good turnover.A friend of mine has one of these late seventies KM's. The wash action with these agitators is very similar to the Roto-Swirl agitators.
Funny how a swirl agi. and what is basically a straight vane can have similar wash actions.
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Post# 37895-4/21/2004-11:43 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy
MESSAGE: I had a LT800e model bought in 1984. Fabric softerner and bleach dispensers stopped working. It also would not go into the spin cycle, just kept tumbling. The machine was stored in the garage for 10 years. Just sent to the junk yard last November. It was a great machine.
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Post# 37896-4/21/2004-11:47 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
POD LAUNDERALL
MESSAGE: Hi,
thanks for this great picture of the day. The lid of the Laundarall reminds me very much of a H-Axis Philips Automatic Washer in our neighbourhood, when I was a child. It only was 40cm wide and had a glass lid. They called it fully automatic but actually you had to set the spin-drying cycle seperately. Well the spin drying speed was only 300rpm, so that the laundry wasn't dripping anymore.
Sorry I only have black and white picture.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/ichuebermich/Philips.html
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Post# 37897-4/21/2004-13:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD LAUNDERALL
MESSAGE: An aunt of mine had just the same Philips toploader. I never saw it being used. The window really fascinated me. She replaced it in the seventies with a Constructa frontloader.
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Post# 37898-4/21/2004-13:28 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fab Ad (Speed Queen' encore/a little "
OT"
)
MESSAGE: Recently there was talk of Speed Queen machines reappearing at retail stores. They were taken off of the retail market by agreement of whomever the owners of brand were/are during all the corporate reshuffling between Amana-Maytag, Goodman, Alliance etc. So now that the dust has settled........stay tuned!
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Post# 37899-4/21/2004-15:15 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
POD: Pearl 'n' Westy
MESSAGE: rayjay--- GASP! You took the LT800 to the dump?! Around these parts, that's like saying you abandoned your child at the mall! ;)
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Post# 37900-4/21/2004-16:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy
MESSAGE: I've never even SEEN a Westy FL in Texas and you had yours krushed?? The 70's-80's Westinghouse with the oval window is one of my favorite types of FL!!!!
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Post# 37901-4/21/2004-16:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Could this be an Agitub machine?
MESSAGE: Frigidaire "spacemaker laundry" stackable on eBay. Has all the markings of a Skinni-Mini, including the silver trim on the edge. Sure, it could be WCI crap cleverly disguised as one (like the 1-18 look-alikes of the early 80's), but maybe the fact that it has the odd-looking Agitub is one of the reasons the seller didn't include a pic of the inside...
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20715&item=3811062455&rd=1
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Post# 37902-4/21/2004-17:10 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Could this be an Agitub machine?
MESSAGE: The body looks like it cold be an Agitub but the controls look 80s to me. That says it's probably a WCI machine which sadly isn't an agitub :-(
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Post# 37903-4/21/2004-17:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Could this be an Agitub machine?
MESSAGE: I emailed the seller for an agitator picture; still waiting for the verdict on whether it's an Agitub or not...
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Post# 37904-4/21/2004-18:06 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Could this be an Agitub machine? (Water Level Switch)
MESSAGE: It looks like it has a separate water level dial. A telltale sign that this is not an agitub.
:(
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Post# 37905-4/21/2004-18:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy
MESSAGE: There were two Westy stack sets in the town where I grew up, but I never saw any with the top-mounted controls like Pearly Mae's.
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Post# 37906-4/21/2004-18:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I think the turnover of the Roto-Swirls wass actually better than the DA with lighter loads.The Roto-Swirl would Suck items down on one stroke-than the other stroke it pushes them back up again.I thought its action was quite different-unlike say just a straight blade agitator.
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Post# 37907-4/21/2004-18:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I thought the action of the two is quite different-the DA gives best turnover with heavy loads.The Roto-Swirl gave better turnover with lighter loads.The turnover and action of the DA with light loads is very slight.The auger does not generate any currents in the water the way vanes do.
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Post# 37908-4/21/2004-18:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (Something old, something new)
MESSAGE: I have bought new complete DA agitator assemblies-You can order the parts separaely as well.The whole agitator cost about $75.I replaced one in a machine I had long ago-All of its parts were worn-it was easier to get the whole agitator.The Roto-Swirl and Surgilator are the other favorites of mine.When I used the SQ machines with their classic straight vane agitators-those still worked well even when loaded down.They had very large vanes.The old Norge large top vanes and the really large bottom vanes did real good too.I remember one of these from my youth.It had the large top vanes and HUGE base vanes with holes in them.That machine circulated well even when run at gentle speed.Looking for one.
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Post# 37909-4/21/2004-20:01 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures, Austin. Also, to anyone who has encountered problems with "website not responding" while advancing to the next picture in an album, I found that clicking on "slideshow" in the upper left keeps the pictures moving. You get about 4 seconds per picture.
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Post# 37910-4/21/2004-20:18 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I haven't posted here in years but wanted to get in on this topic.
All spiral agitators have somewhat of the suck down...partial burp back up action that you speak of. Especially GE's Spiral Activator...to the point where with large loads ...it sucked and burped up the same portion of the load over and over.
Same but to a lesser extent with Westinghouse tops....although the action was somewhat jaded buy the indexing tub.
Similar action anc be viewed with Hotpoint and Easy also.
In my opintion ...what made the Roto-Swirl and Super Roto Swirl such a good agitator is the fact that it is actually a combination Spiral/Straight Vane.
The three ramps.....pulled the load down to the bottom and at the same time the three straight ends forced the load( already at the bottom) towards the top.
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Post# 37911-4/21/2004-20:33 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: And as an after thought. It was always curious to me that WP and KM stratrted out with the same Bakelite Straight Vane agitator.
WP came out with the Sugilator and Super Surgilator
KM with the Roto Swirl and Super Roto Swirl.
Side by side...the Roto Swirls turned over a larger load. I have nothing against the Surgilators and feel they are fine high vane agitators with good mechanical action. But a Roto Swirl was always capable of expelling air from a sheet ( by pulling it down) and my memories of sheet loads with Surgilators are boobs sticking out of the water ...hugging the agitator.
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Post# 37912-4/21/2004-20:58 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
another unimatic
MESSAGE: Will be picking up my third unimatic tomorrow. I found my first '51 last summer and didn't think she would sell and she finally did late last fall. That one is mint and works great. Picked up my second a couple weeks ago, this one for parts, machine in bad shape. Third is in fair to good shape and I believe a '53 (WO-65-2). It has the button on the back so that if the lid is open all the way against it, the machine shuts off. I think it has the overflow rinse vs. double rinse too. I NEVER, EVER thought I would find three uni's in one year, actually in the last seven/eight mos. I just sent a roll of film in and will be posting pics soon. Plan on buying a digital cam with tax refund .......
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Post# 37913-4/21/2004-21:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE:
Three Unimatics in
one year?? It seems 2004 is indeed a great year for washer collectors! Btw, does the third Uni (WO-65-2) work?
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Post# 37914-4/21/2004-21:11 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new and my 2 cents worth)
MESSAGE: I think that they came out with the screw your clothes down, ratchet style because that put a end to coming up with more engineered ways of doing laundry. I mean, what can top a cork screw type agitator for turning a load over at any cost? I think that they thought of this a long time ago, but never used it because it defeated the purpose of being creative. The big brands new that "Consumer Reports" decision on what was best was a big factor in the consumers choices. They (Consumer Reports) always focused on the respected wash load turn over, so they put a end to it by using a die-hard method.
At the point when this style agitator came out, 80% of consumers were over the new-ness of the "automatic washer", and just settled for whatever was told to them. It was the other 20% that raised a brow at this style of "automatic".
Like I said, my 2 cents worth.
I have had the belt drive cork screw types and the direct drive, (all electronic Kenmores) and can say that I would never go back to either. (for personal reasons :)
Brent
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Post# 37915-4/21/2004-21:45 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: I may be wrong, but I don't think the agitator with the 4 dogs came out until the mid 80's. There was an agitator in between the spring loaded gear and the 4 dogs. There was one that had 2 shoes I believe they called them. They were kind of "C" shaped and worked with a center cam. I believe they were always red shoes. There may have been more, but these are the 3 styles that I remember. Glen.
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Post# 37916-4/21/2004-21:53 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE: Great Finds Greg,three in one year is fantastic!
Rickr
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Post# 37917-4/21/2004-22:08 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: Could this be an Agitub machine? (Not an agitub)
MESSAGE: It's not an agitub and I don't believe it's a Frigidaire branded machine. It comes up as a GE, especially when they are using the "Spacemaker" name. It is esentially a SM dryer but it is the Franklin style washer. The transmission is the same as the full size Electrolux line is now, only a 24" version. Glen.
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Post# 37918-4/21/2004-22:27 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Could this be an Agitub machine? (Not an agitub)
MESSAGE: uuggh! The dreaded Franklin style compact washer has to be the WORST design ever made! Changing a belt on these is not my idea of a good time! No room to work or get tools where you need them. As much as I dislike Frigidaire/Electrolux top loaders ( plastic tubs and indexing wash action), they have made it better to service by using a separate drain pump so that it doesn't pump & spin at the same time; lengthens belt life.
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Post# 37919-4/21/2004-22:48 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: 48 Bendix was the first washer I saw as a kid, front loader bolted to the concrete slab. My next door neighbor had a Frigidaire. I liked to watch the action of the washers. And when we went on vacation in Santa Cruze the place we stayed has Frigidaire washers. I've owned Maytag(1960's) 1970's Kenmore, GE the type that if you changed the speed while runing broke a part of the mechanism, 1980's Maytag, 1990's Kenmore and 1999 Maytag that still spin full of water.
My aunt had a Western Auto top loader that had an overflow rince.
The Frigidaire solid tubs would not remove sand from the load.
The modern Maytags that I have don't remove dog hair in the wash cycle, it is trapped in the dryer filter. Kenmore always removed dog hair in the washer, but may have clogged your plumbing.
The modern Maytag, since it spins full of water, throws the clothes up on the tub and even though it spins less than 1000 rpm, still gets the clothes fairly dry.
My next washer may be horizontal axis, because of the energy req's. but the current Maytag is equal to their commercial and may outlive me. Horizontal axis requires many rinses to dilute what ever is in your laundry, if you wash diapers a top loader may be better!!!
I also am interested in cook tops and ovens. I have 1960 GE of both and they still work. Push button top.
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Post# 37920-4/21/2004-23:11 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: I was supposed to be 48bendix, sorry guys. bencix is lame, but I guess I am stuck with it. I have enjoyed this site for about a year, not realizing that so many others have appreciated unique washing machines. Yea, the Frigidaire is probably the ultimate, think about it 18 minute wash cycle, really dry clothes. But you need to dry your clothes in a Frigidaire dryer to untangle them!!
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Post# 37921-4/21/2004-23:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new and my 2 cents worth)
MESSAGE: Now it seems like everyone that builds a top load washer uses the "dual Action" style agitator-WP-KN,KA,GE,and Maytag.SQ-Alliance still sticks to their straight blade agitator,but has added a Wavy vane style that is like a WP Surgilator.I suppose it is lack of imagination-look at all the "Remake" movies coming out of Hollywood-Maby movie writers and agitator designers have something in common!
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Post# 37922-4/21/2004-23:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Frigidaire and a Kenmore =) (learn something new)
MESSAGE: Yes-that about the same observation I had seen when clothes have air bubbles in them-or sheets.-or I would suppose any other large item.Both the Roto-Swirl or DA agitators try to force the bubbles down and they pop back up again-unless the air was finally forced out by the agitator when the air reaches an edge of the item.Yes I too have seen the bubbles just hugging the Surgilator or even straight vane agitators-at some point it finally goes under.-but takes more time.
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Post# 37923-4/21/2004-23:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: I remember the few times I used a Frigidaire washer to clean my clothes-in college-my brother had a Frigidaire washer in his trailer.He had a protable dryer as well.I can remember the landlord of the trailer park didn't want people to have washers in their homes-he just live with my brothers but was always mean to him.We didn't use the laudramat at the park headquarters.Anyway-the trailer shook whe nthe washer was agitating or spinning.I remember taking a Ring shaped mass of clothes out of the washer-and untangling them before putting them in the dryer.If you dried them without untangling them-you just got a dry ring shaped mass of clothes.I liked the machine-did a fine job-and beat putting money in the schools or trailer parks laundramats.I did use my colleges many times-they had Maytag machines.
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Post# 37924-4/21/2004-23:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: I breifly had a GE washer that had a Roto-Swirl" style agitator and it was printed on the control panel not to shift speeds while the washer was running.
Yes solid tub machines won't remove sand-Remember the famous Westinghouse washer commercial from the fifties that demostrated this.Solid tubs wouldn't remove sand or other dirt that doesn't float in water.Sometimes during their spin items my float over the edge of the tub into the outer one.My mother mentioned this when we were very little our socks would float over the edge of the inner tank during spin and get caught in the pump.My dad loved this-he had to unclog it.I have some concern about lint flushed down my plubing-I have a septic tank.Clothes fibers take a long time to decompose if at all in the tank.I still like TL machines-both of my parents didn't like FL machines.They mostly complained about the long cycle time.I too liked the older cook tops ,ovens and ranges. At the plant where I work(it was built in the early 60's) they had the lighted button range in the kitchen-cabinets were GE also.The lighted pushbutton range was cool.Its been long removed after the kitchen was remodeled a several years ago.
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Post# 37925-4/22/2004-03:55 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT:
Today's POD
MESSAGE: What a great POD, reminding me of good old times when
self service dry cleaning was still allowed by law in
Germany.
Next to my sister's home there was a self service
laundry center in the 70s, where they had many,many
orange front loading washers (WASCATOR) and 4 dry
cleaning machines as well. I remember me standing in
front of them, when the were opened, cause the smell of
the dry-cleaning solvent was so special ;-).
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Post# 37926-4/22/2004-05:16 ||| drmitch (North West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
maytag fever
MESSAGE: Hello guys, I was wondering if any of you had any photos of maytags fron the early 1960s. I,ve found a beauiful pair and would like to date them. If I get them I,ll try to post photos.
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Post# 37927-4/22/2004-07:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: I think the 70's & 80's GE machines had a special 2-speed clutch, and if you changed speeds while it was running, then you would damage the speed shifter.
Also, the Kenmore is "the king of pet hair removers". I wash a queen size comforter full of cat hair in it, and it always comes out clean.
The Westinghouse commercial of 1957 proved that solid-tub machines don't remove sand, so in a way the commercial was rigged. If they pitted the Laundromat against a perforated-tub machine like a Whirlpool or Kenmore, then the results would be VERY hard to determine...LOL
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Post# 37928-4/22/2004-07:42 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE: The most recent (third) that I am picking up today, a '53 I believe, I am sure does not work ...... it looks pretty clean underneath but has definately leaked oil and when you grab the inner tub and turn it .... it makes an awful grinding noise ..... but I am sure its restorable whereas the one I picked up a month ago is definately only good for parts.
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Post# 37929-4/22/2004-07:44 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic (ty)
MESSAGE: thanks Rick :), I can't believe it, even from a parts standpoint I am thrilled
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Post# 37930-4/22/2004-08:00 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: I remember a small Norge equipped laundromat with self-service dry cleaners - they had three machines and at least one was always out of service. The smells were great - and the sounds the machine made were great to listen to combined with the loud Norge top-loading washing machines, it was quite a symphony of laundry!
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Post# 37931-4/22/2004-08:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: maytag fever
MESSAGE: What are the models of your Maytags? I've had a "bee in my bonnet" for Maytag the last few weeks and have been doing lots of reading on the different models, etc.
Congrats on the find! Greg
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Post# 37932-4/22/2004-08:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE: Incredible, Greg, you certainly have the "porcelain touch" when it comes to finding these classic machines - congratulations again!
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Post# 37933-4/22/2004-11:14 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: Kai, I have not seen a self-service dry cleaner in the US for a long time either, and I wonder if we may have a similar law, although what these machines do is really no different than the machines behind the dry cleaning counter, and those people work with it every day at their jobs.
With the high cost of dry cleaning today (which is why I don't wear a lot of dry clean clothing) I'm certain they could do quite well with the concept.
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Post# 37934-4/22/2004-12:21 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: On a family vacation to Colorado in the early 1970s, we made a laundry run to a Norge-equipped coin-op outfit. Several dry-clean machines were there. I made the mistake of sticking my head inside one of them and inhaling briefly, and could hardly breathe for several minutes after. My mother couldn't understand what had happened.
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Post# 37935-4/22/2004-13:21 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Today's POD
MESSAGE: The last self dry cleaners I saw and used were on Williams Blvd. in Kenner, La, there were 2 Speed Queen 8 lb. dry cleaners along with all front load Wascomats of different sizes. We moved in 1987 and have not seen any since.
I also grew up with them in Oklahoma and Texas. Once when we were visiting cousins in Tulia, Texas, my aunt took drycleaning to the self done there and they had the Frigidaire dry cleaners with the jetcones and a separate electric dryer up and to the left side of each machine. I sure looked as I was use to the front load and have never seen the top load.
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Post# 37936-4/22/2004-14:03 ||| Fma914 (ohio)
SUBJECT:
Hoover spin-drying washer (model 0510/0512)
MESSAGE: Would anyone have any information on what a Hoover spin-drying washer model 0510/0512 might sell for today? The washer was purchased brand new in 1967 and has the original instruction manual. I believe that the washer is in working condition, but have yet to verify.
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Post# 37937-4/22/2004-16:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE: WOW Greg, three Unimatics in one year and all the same style, that's a new record for sure!
The grinding sounds means the spin bearing is shot, that usually means one of three things:
1. Water has leaked into the tranny
2. The oil pump has stopped working or is clogged
3. All the oil has leaked out due to a bad seal
Don't despear, my '58 Unimatic was filled with water and sat like that for over 20 years out on the farm. I was able to clean it and restore back to good health.
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Post# 37938-4/22/2004-16:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE: You mentioned before that the main cause for a bad spin bearing is a leak, and if water got into the transmission of a working Uni, during spin it would "roar louder than you will ever believe".
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Post# 37939-4/22/2004-17:49 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE: thanks greg, yea, I cannot believe it, boy, she cleaned up real sweet today too, those porcelain cabinets were/are tough.
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Post# 37940-4/22/2004-17:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic
MESSAGE: Greg,
Let us know when you've posted the pictures! I can't wait to see those wonderful Frigidaires!
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Post# 37941-4/22/2004-17:53 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic (encouraged)
MESSAGE: thanks Robert, yea, I just mentioned in response to gansky that she cleaned up real sweet today. I do think quite a bit of oil has leaked out, although clean underneath there is a greasy film on everything. The grinding noise is REAL BAD, you grab the tub and turn and it sounds like jagged edge metal against metal. But definately restorable I think and even moreso now because of what you said.
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Post# 37942-4/22/2004-17:54 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic (overhaul?)
MESSAGE: Its fair to say that this will need a complete overhaul and rebuild ??
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Post# 37943-4/22/2004-18:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic (overhaul?)
MESSAGE: From what Uni mentioned, more than likely.
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Post# 37944-4/22/2004-18:15 ||| gregm (MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: another unimatic (overhaul?)
MESSAGE: but of course, that was a dumb question ......... hahahahaha
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Post# 37945-4/22/2004-20:36 ||| powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington)
SUBJECT:
Roto Swirl VS Super Roto Swirl
MESSAGE: I saw a post about a KM Roto Swirl and Super Roto Swirl. Whats the difference between the two? Does anyone have a picture of them together side by side?
Rich
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Post# 37946-4/22/2004-20:43 ||| drmitch (North West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
Maytag fever
MESSAGE: I couldnt stand it any longer,so I took off work and went to get these today,during a downpour. They were really clean, although I think they are from the mid 70s instead of the 60s. The washer model# is LA208. Hey Greg!
LINK: http://albums.photo.epson.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=4206149&a=31208933&vt=vp
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Post# 37947-4/22/2004-21:39 ||| Zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: I've been reading posts for a long time, but this is my first time posting. I love this place!
I had a mid-80s Filter-Flo, and I remember something in the instructions about not switching speeds while the machine was operating. (Mine had the push button speed controls, not the toggle switches.) I think someone once told me that it would "bend the rods", whatever that means. As it turns out, if you tell me not to do something, then I have to do it. So I switched speeds while the machine was running. Often. Eventually, the slow speed stopped working. When I would push the slow speed button the machine would either remain in normal speed mode, or it would switch to slow speed but make this loud, unsettling clicking noise. (Note to self: apparently there was some truth to the part of the instructions that said switching speeds during operation may cause damage. Who knew?)
Anyhoo, that's my little story.
David
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Post# 37948-4/22/2004-21:45 ||| Zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: Oh yes, one more thing.
My grandmother had a FL Westinghouse (not a White-Westinghouse) similar to the one in the Pearl Baily POD from the other day, except hers had a side-swinging door. I used to park myself in front of it and watch it go through an entire cycle. Years later, I had my own White-Westinghouse FL. It had the rear control panel and a fabric softener dispenser on the top, but the door opened down (with the Weigh-To-Save scale) and it had reversing tumble action. It had the adjustable water level control, so you could hold the knob on the "reset" setting and raise the water level up into the window. I loved that machine. The thing had to have weighed 250 pounds, and it took 3 people to haul it out of the basement.
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Post# 37949-4/22/2004-21:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever
MESSAGE: Dr. Mitch, that is a very nice set! It is a standard capacity washer, and Greg will confirm but I would say it was made between 1975-1979. Two tipoffs to this are the larger size drum and opening on the dryer, and the metallic colored (rather than white) timer dials. These were the last incarnation of that design. The next, which came into being around 1980, are the ones with the side-mounted timer dial and vertical rows of pushbuttons. Enjoy!
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Post# 37950-4/22/2004-21:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: Welcome to the club, Zipdang! Great stories. I wonder how many people did not read the instructions and wrecked their slow speed without knowing they were doing so!
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Post# 37951-4/22/2004-21:53 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever
MESSAGE: What a great set to find! Congratulations!!! Those are most likely the last of the 79's. I had the very same set that I bought new in 1979. They look like they are 806's. I was trying to find those models with lighted controls but that model was out of production so that's the set that I ended up with. (excepting that the dryer was electric) Once rebuilt, that set should last another 30 years. All the best to you. Mark
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Post# 37952-4/22/2004-21:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: Now THAT'S a machine to drool over. I've always liked FL machines that filled high!
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Post# 37953-4/22/2004-21:58 ||| Zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the nice welcome!
I've got a question for you. You're from Minneapolis, and I've got several friends who live there. I'm not sure if it's coincidence or not, but they all have gas dryers. Where I live (Portland), gas and electric seem to be equally popular. Are gas dryers more common than electric in your area, and do you (or anyone) know if gas dryers have a different longevity than electric dryers? I've often wondered which dryers' original components lasted longer.
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Post# 37954-4/22/2004-22:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: Did GE ever have a warning on the control panel not to change speeds while the machine was running? Or maybe I'm remembering it from the lid instructions. Whatever. One of my grandmother's friends had a GE, back in the late 1960s or early 1970s. I believe it had a spiral Activator, and there was a Mini-Basket on the shelf that I never got to see run.
Anyway, contrary to the instructions, and being the evil kid that I was, I switched speeds once when it was running. But nothing happened, neither noise nor speed change . . . so it must have already been wrecked. :-)
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Post# 37955-4/22/2004-22:04 ||| Zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: My grandmother's machine was wonderful. It didn't have the locking door, so you could open the door and press the safety switch and the machine would operate with the door open. I remember my grandmother letting me put the detergent in (1/3 cup of Concentrated All) and then I would press the safety switch and let the machine fill and rotate a little to dissolve the detergent. I loved being able to hear the sounds of the sloshing water without a closed door muffling them.
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Post# 37956-4/22/2004-22:07 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: I've been here all my life (42 years) and would have to say I have known more people who've had gas dryers than I have electric. Even if they have electric other things, they often have gas dryers. Gas here has been traditionally more economical to use than electricity, and most homes here are natural gas equipped because of our climate (because we need central heating for a number of months each year, most people use gas furnaces because they are the most dependable and most economical to operate).
We have some others who may be more "in the know" about how the two types of dryers compare mechanically, but in my mind it seems it would be kind of even steven. On one hand, an electric dryer could blow an element, while a gas one could have an ignitor or something fail...I'm probably forgetting something else, but I would think the rest of the mechanicals would be pretty much the same.
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Post# 37957-4/22/2004-23:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: I too had one of those GE machines breifly-it came with my house when I bought it.I have long since traded ittowards other machines I like better.I can remember the warning on the machine itself-may have been the lid-not to shift speeds while it was running.I confess-I tried it a couple of times and no harm done.I guess you shoudn't do it as a routine thing.It too had the ramp vane "roto-Swirl" type agitator.-The lint filter was on the outside edge of the inner tub.It didn't have a mini-basket.
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Post# 37958-4/22/2004-23:38 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever
MESSAGE: Nice pictures - and nice machines, they do look very clean. Have you run them yet? They are from the later 70's, I have a brochure for this series from about 78-79.
Enjoy and welcome again!
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Post# 37959-4/22/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: In the South-NC-it seems like electric dryers are more common.At some point I would like to go to gas for the dryer,water heater,and cooking.Its expensive to use electricity as a "fuel"There is gas service available in my neighborhood-the neighbors switched to it.They used to use LP gas-that is very common here-but more expensive-you ahve to have the tank by your house.Their furnace ran off it.Heating and AC units called "gas packs" are common here.It has a LP -NG furnace with the AC unit.Would like one for my place-it has a heat pump which doesn't work well.Works great as a AC in the summer.
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Post# 37960-4/22/2004-23:44 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: I did this once on a 78'ish Hotpoint washer at a house while I was babysitting - the kids and the washer! It made the usual grinding noise and then wouldn't shift into high speed. A couple of weeks later, it was working fine again. I doubt they had it repaired so it must have healed itself.
What evil appliance kids we were! ;-)
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Post# 37961-4/22/2004-23:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever
MESSAGE: After the flood in Rapid City S.dak.The Maytag washer we got the week before suffered this flood.It was one of the few things of ours that was recovered and rebuilt by the local Maytag dealer.He did a supurb job of it.The poor machine looked like hell but it worked very well-cabinet was scratched and badly dented.It worked for about 20 years or so.My folks replaced it with another-early 90's model.The old machine was purchased in 1972.
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Post# 37962-4/22/2004-23:53 ||| Gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Please allow me to introduce myself)
MESSAGE: The same is true here for heating and in older homes, you see more gas dryers. In newer construction however, gas dryer connections have become much more rare. It's rather puzzling given the fact that gas is a much cheaper fuel (in this area) to use for drying, as much as 40% less and that with the use of flexible gas lines in new construction, running a gas line wouldn't be difficult or expensive. The slight additional costs initially would be far outweighed by the long-term savings in operation costs, but still electric prevails...
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Post# 37963-4/23/2004-06:31 ||| cycla-fabric (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever
MESSAGE: Wonderful set you have there. I bought a matching Maytag set A806 washer/dryer last fall from an estate sale that included all the original manuals plus the dated receipt from the store which it was originaly bought from. My set is from 1980 going by the dated receipt. So it must be the last of the original center dial set. Took them home, gave them a good cleaning and got to try them out. The motor on the washer needed to be changed as it had a problem, but other than that a wonderful set. Good Luck
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Post# 37964-4/23/2004-06:59 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT:
My new washer, I have been struck by the Maytag Fever!
MESSAGE: I have been struck! I am not going to buy a new washing machine, I am going to offer my Aunt $400.00 for her 70's Maytag. It is in mint condition, not a scatch or faded spot on it. It is sp perfect! It is a suds saver model. And I has a very odd filling spary head, it looks rather like Roberts Philco, but it is off on the left hand side of the tub. Anyome hear or see of this before?
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Post# 37965-4/23/2004-07:56 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT:
G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: OK, Zipdang, you've opened a Pandora's Box of confessions about abusing the speed switch on GE washers, EVEN THOUGH we knew we weren't supposed to. Add me to the list. I wrecked our neighbor's GE by flicking the switch (often) while it was running. We are a devious lot, aren't we? :)
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Post# 37966-4/23/2004-11:55 ||| impellerator (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever (What do the model numbers mean?)
MESSAGE: I have a set of Maytags like this, too, in avocado - an A107 and a DG608. (The dryer is currently waiting for me to install a new set of gas valve coils).
Is there a way to decipher the model numbers? I think "DG" means "Dryer-Gas", and I'm guessing the first digit of the model number means what level in the lineup it is, as the dryer "6" is a little fancier than the washer "1".
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Post# 37967-4/23/2004-12:13 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever (What do the model numbers mean?)
MESSAGE: I believe you're correct...the DG is Dryer Gas (as opposed to DE for Dryer Electric), and the higher the first digit, the higher up the machine is in the line. I believe A stands for automatic, and if there is an S suffix, i.e., A107S, that means there is a suds saver.
The last digit (I think) is sort of a time period, at least for some models. In this case, the 107 washer is one "incarnation" before the 608 dryer. The 107 washer probably has a blue lower control panel trim, where the 608 dryer has gold, and the dryer has a metallic colored timer dial, as opposed to white for the washer.
This applies to the "new generation" washers made between 1966 and about 1980. I'm not nearly as familiar with the numbering schema used before or after those dates.
I don't get the wringer washer ones at all, does anyone know what they stand for? I know there was Master, Commander and Chieftain, E2L, J2L and N2L, respectively, but I have no idea what those stand for, except a P suffix indicates the machine has a pump, and an S (Safety?) (with or without the P) is a later model that has that air thing you stand on to use the wringer.
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Post# 37968-4/23/2004-14:22 ||| Spinner (New Jersey)
SUBJECT:
new to sight
MESSAGE: this sight is way cool. I've always been a fan of vintage appliances. How do I go about researching to buy one for restore? What about parts and what do I look for? Would love a 1949 ABC-O-Matic or a Norge 1954 timeline. Does anyone remember a late 40's or early 50's machine that used a collapsable rubber tub to "wring"the water out of the clothes? I believe it might have been a Bendix or Blacksone, but not really sure.
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Post# 37969-4/23/2004-14:23 ||| zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous
MESSAGE: Perhaps while we're confessing our "sins", I should come clean with everything. Even though the instructions on my GE specifically said not to change speeds while the machine was running, and even though I went and big-fat did it anyway, and even though it did result in speed switch-related damage, I still haven't learned my lesson. I have a KitchenAid washer that's not even 1 year old, and I've already changed the speed setting on it several times during operation. So far there's been no damage. I've only changed the speed during agitation, though, not during a spin. Will I never learn?
Perhaps there is some sort of 12-step program for us, including community service at a laundromat, time served in an appliance junkyard, and forfeit of any washer with a manual speed selector.
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Post# 37970-4/23/2004-15:02 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: Unless I am wrong, GE had that problem because it actually had a one-speed motor. Two speeds were provided by way of a reduction pulley/clutch mechanism. The mechanism was damaged (bent) if it was actuated while the machine was running.
Your KitchenAid has a true multi-speed motor, and will not be damaged by changing speeds while it runs.
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Post# 37971-4/23/2004-15:41 ||| zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: Your explanation supports what someone else once me about one of the GE's components getting bent from changing speeds. And maybe I'm mistaken, but it seemed to me that when the GE was set to slow agitation that the Filter-Flo system didn't flush as much water into the filter pan as it did when it was agitating at normal speed, causing the Mini-Wash basket to take longer to fill than it did on normal speed. Has anyone else noticed this?
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Post# 37972-4/23/2004-16:01 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: Howdy and welcome to the club!
The GE washer (old style) had a 1 speed motor with a 2 speed centrificle (sp) clutch mounted to it. Inside the clutch were "shoes" that would swing out & contact the outer drum. The outer shoes had tabs on the bottom of them. When the gentle speed was selected, a shifter would magneticaly raise into the path of the tabs of the shoes and stop the shoes from contacting the outer drum. The drive belt to the tranny was attached to this outer drum. The outer drum would turn at a slower speed and hence turn the washbasket at a slower speed. However, the pump was attached to the top of the clutch hub which was keyed directly to the motor via a flexible fabric coupling. No matter what speed the clutch was running at, the water pump always ran at high speed. Because the machine was agitating at slow speed makes it look like it is pumping slower. The advantage to this clutch system is that it will always pump water at high speed, no matter what speed is selected. Am I making sense?
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Post# 37973-4/23/2004-16:46 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing: RIGHT ON)
MESSAGE: Hi,
You are 100% correct. GE engineered the system to have maximum water circulation, for filter flo and eventually the minibasket, at low and high agitation speeds.
Jimmmy, aka filter flo, explained to me that there are little fingers in the clutch which can jam and break if you change speeds. The shoes/tabs explanation is another way to explain the operation, very well I might add. This damage most often happens if you change the speed as the clutch is engaging into high speed. Most other times you just hear the solenoid click and no speed change, but fortunately nothing breaks.
I would not characterize this as a GE problem. The problem is users who push buttons when they should NOT. My mother has a GE from 1987 or so, and it has never needed a service call for anything. If she can avoid pushing buttons at the wrong time on an appliance, so can everybody else (lord knows she can push mine when she wants to, lol).
Those who just can't resist pushing buttons should by the BOL machines with only a timer knob to rotate.
Happy washing.
MK in LBC
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Post# 37974-4/23/2004-16:54 ||| COLDSPOT66 (South of Boston, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing: RIGHT ON)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,
Being a self- employed technician, I didn't want to sound "know-it-all"ish. I chuckled out loud when you made the comment about your mother "pushing your buttons". Ain't that the truth! LOL.
John
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Post# 37975-4/23/2004-17:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing)
MESSAGE: From what you mentioned, GE used the centrifugal clutch and didn't have a TRUE 2-speed motor until the new "plastic" design.
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Post# 37976-4/23/2004-18:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Westy FL machines)
MESSAGE: Here's a Westy FL pic from the deep "ruins" of the Applianceville Archives! It's a Spacemates model, with a tub light. Sure, the dryer isn't the best (we had a model like this, 2 years ago it finally quit because the tub slid off its rollers and cut through the door!), and the washer isn't the prettiest, but I'd definitely take it! It seems to be filled pretty high in this pic!
In case any of you were wondering, this picture came from Robert's (Unimatic1140) old Minneapolis house, just before he moved. I saw this picture before, and thought it was quite interesting; just rediscovered the link in the archives.
--Austin
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/TEMP/Empty.jpg
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Post# 37977-4/23/2004-19:18 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (KA vs. GE speed changing: RIGHT ON)
MESSAGE: Everybody had their own way of dealing with this issue.
G.E. Actually had the best idea....keeping the pump speed constant while having no effect on the basket or agitator speed. ( But at the risk of leaving the machine with one speed if the speed selector was changed while the machine was running)
Belt Driven WP/KM had neutral drain so the motor could change to high speed during the drain period. If you watch a BD WP switch from gentle wash to drain....you might view a stroke or two (of the agitator on high) as the dial advanced into the neutral drain period. The only neutral drain period that was done on low speed was older WP/KM machines during the PP cooldown...for all those partial drains and refills.
Westinghouse/WCI tops used the timer to run on high for the first few minutes of spin to drain the water quickly...then switched to slow.
Some "06" series Maytags ( which is actually two versions ) "06 with out permantent press" and "06 with permanent press"...."07" "08" "09" some"10" series and all the "12 series used 1 min timer increments. The drain/spin period after the WASH was 4 mins. 2 to drain/1 to spray/and 1 for spin. On the deep tub models.....Gentle Action could barely remove the water (on Large) before the spray....on the regular wash cycle. The PP cycle was overridden to provide fast spin during the partial drain and final spin.(regardless of the speed selections)...although it was very short.
The "06" series w/o PP used 45 sec increments on the deep tubs and 30 sec on the standard tubs.
The "10" series two speed machines used 90 sec increments ....which caused those machines to use excessive water during the 90 sec spray and then only rinsed for 90 secs which added to the lack of normal (2min) rinsing in other Maytag modles.
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Post# 37978-4/23/2004-19:20 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Tumble to the Right)
MESSAGE: I had the pleasure of working on a few of these spacemates in my day. I actually prefer this washer to most reverse tumble machines. I think the reason is because the machine never had a rest portion in the entire cycle. From the time you start till the time it shuts off, the clothes are on the move. It kind of reminded me of a dishwasher for clothes. The motor continued to operate and all you did was add and take away water.
I think a movie of the Westinghouse Laundramat is in order. From the clips and pics I have seen in the past, it seems to use a good share of water which of course increases the drama of wash day.
:)
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Post# 37979-4/23/2004-19:24 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: I always prefer a mechanical timer with a noisey advance. Just like the one on the "Speed Queen" video a page or two back. Which manufacturers used this type of timer advance? I know that "Speed Queen" and "Frigidaire" did, but whom else?
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Post# 37980-4/23/2004-19:25 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Maytag fever (pix in operation)
MESSAGE: These are a fine pair. I hope you can post some pix in operation for the collection-challenged.
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Post# 37981-4/23/2004-19:28 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: A Kenmore Memory (Model 400)
MESSAGE: Based on information in the "Manual of the Month" section, I have determined that the washing machine I remember the most was a Kenmore Model 400. ( Or very similar ) Thanks Robert for posting the operating guides.
Malcolm
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Post# 37982-4/23/2004-19:33 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them! (Anyone Near Oregon?)
MESSAGE: These are still up for grabs. Anyone in Applianceville interested? Does anyone know if this washer has the bakelite agitator witha hex block drive shaft? At first glance, I would guess not, but if it is a 60's set, then it could be on the borderline.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=42233&item=3810322346&rd=1
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Post# 37983-4/23/2004-19:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them! (Anyone Near Oregon?)
MESSAGE: Like I said, these are just beautiful, but unfortunately not in Texas; otherwise I'd be there in a heartbeat!
If I were the seller I'd DEFINITELY hang on to these since a good belt-drive obviously outlasts the crappy new short-stroke/DD machines out there today!
--Austin
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Post# 37984-4/23/2004-19:43 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY (Bidding in progress)
MESSAGE: It looks like someone is bidding on your blow out sale. I would hope that you wouldn't send them to the crusher if no sale prospects.
Keep us posted as to their adoption...
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Post# 37985-4/23/2004-19:46 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Wow! Nice condition Whirlpool 60's set! Someone save them! (Too far from GA :()
MESSAGE: I know. I hate the thought of these getting pitched due to no sale. Besides, I'm only interested in the washer and he wants to unload the set. It would be a shame to break up a family at that age...
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Post# 37986-4/23/2004-20:06 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: '47 BENDIX, '54 KENMORES, '59 SPACEMATES ON EBAY (Monitor?)
MESSAGE:
What is a "Monitor" washer? I have never heard of one of these machines? Tell me more...
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Post# 37987-4/23/2004-21:32 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Timer Increments)
MESSAGE: The washers provided by the WEB Service Co. (a large Southern California-based coin-op laundry equipment supplier) used to have ratcheting timers. The machines were usually GEs or Whirlpools, retrofitted with a custom console and a very large and robust coin box (of the slide variety) housing that wonderfully noisy timer mechanism. I don't know if that design is still being used for TL machines; the stock-looking electronic-control (and probably debit-card-operated) commercial Maytag Neptunes the company has offered for some time have no need for such an arrangement.
Drifting back on topic...from 1985 to 1996 I had two different GE Filter-Flos and, knowing the possible consequence and having no sense of curiosity, never switched from high speed to low. The unusual two-speed slip-clutch design (besides, of course, the Filter-Flo system) was to me one of the fascinating aspects of the old GEs; there's something to be said for a machine that starts agitating slowly...then 30-45 seconds later...clack!...shifts into high. The "plastic design" GE washer (one of which I owned for a short time) just isn't the same...
LINK: http://www.weblaundry.com/
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Post# 37988-4/23/2004-21:42 ||| drmitch (North West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
maytag fever
MESSAGE: Now you guys are going to find out how smart I am. I have a 90s GE gas dryer, and the connection is made on the back, but I only see one small hole on the back of the Maytag. Is it behind the little door on the front,I havent had time to try to get it open yet. Ad are there some things I should check before trying it , Which will probably be a while before I get the gas run into my new laundry closet. Any help will be appreciated, Sincerly Dr. Barbecue
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Post# 37989-4/23/2004-21:47 ||| zipdang (Oregon)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Westy FL machines)
MESSAGE: I'd love to have the Westy in the picture. When I bought my machine, which had the controls on the rear console, the store also had the Spacemates version, but I think I remember the salesperson telling me that the Spacemates version only tumbled in one direction while the rear console version had reverse tumbling. Plus, mine had the fabric softener dispenser on top, and since the Weigh-To-Save door locked for the entire cycle, I don't know how you could add softener in the Spacemates model unless the door unlocked during the rinse. For a while I had the matching dryer. It was an odd pair: a really great washer, and a thoroughly unremarkable dryer.
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Post# 37990-4/23/2004-22:28 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
GE Clutch
MESSAGE: One thing that has not been mentioned about the GE clutch, that it was a very ingenious design that was very long lived. Most problems were caused my operator error, or by water leaks or abuse from trying to spin and reach top speed with a completely out of balance load.
There is also an adjustment on the shifter, so that it didnt matter if the speed was changed during operation. However, this adjustment has a very narrow tolerance range and could also change with wear or vibration.
The inner spinning clutch is the high speed part of the clutch system. When slow speed is selected, the shifter tab is energized by a coil and raises to hit one of the two index tabs on the clutch and keeps it from spinning and therefore shifting to high. When the machine is already on high speed, those index tabs are spinning at the same rate as the motor is turning. If slow speed is selected at that point, and if the shifter is not properly adjusted, it will hit the spinning index tabs and it will be knocked off its mount and askew. Ive repaired hundreds of these, could almost do it blindfolded! But again, if the shifter is adjusted properly, then it wont hit the tabs when they are spinning and its of no consequence whether you change speeds or not......Its really a neat system when you understand its workings, and GE really was the only washer to pump water at full speed at all times......I just love FILTERFLOs!
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Post# 37991-4/23/2004-22:36 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT:
RE: POD: Pearl 'n' Westy (Westy FL machines)
MESSAGE: You are correct. I have a set of the White Westinghouse spacemates bought new in 1985. The washer only tumbles in one direction. The door lock un-locks after the fill on the first rinse and then re-locks again before the final spin.
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Post# 37992-4/23/2004-23:14 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clutch
MESSAGE: I have read all these posts today about switching the FilterFlo speeds while running.I have switched the speeds on my 66 FIlterFlo a few times while running with no problem,what happens is if the machine is on slow it will speed up,but if it's on fast,it will not slow down.Or it won't switch at all. I did not realize it could cause a problem,or I would not have done it.I have been feeling VERY lucky today until I read your post.After that I realized that the reason I never had a problem with my machine is that I BOUGHT it from you,and you have ADJUSTED it before you SOLD it to me. Thank you Jimmy!!
Rickr
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Post# 37993-4/24/2004-05:53 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clutch
MESSAGE: Hi Rick, glad to hear that the GE you bought from me is doing fine. Yes, put a replacement shifter on your machine before I sold it to you, and made sure it was adjusted properly so it would not do any harm if someone played with it. Your washer was one of the rarer GE's with a Suds-Return system and a Mini Basket. Do you use those features? Hope you do, it was a stunning washer! It was about a 1965/1966 model, right?
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Post# 37994-4/24/2004-06:28 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: G.E. Speed Switch Abusers Anonymous (Filter Pan)
MESSAGE: In getting back on topic, I never abused the speed switch, but I did operate with the lid switch bypassed and the filter pan removed. The wash action of the "Swirl-Activator" was too fascinating to conceal under a filter pan. While in confessional, I will say that I would occassionally break a large wash load down into three small loads and use the mini-basket for extended drama.
There. I feel better now.
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Post# 37995-4/24/2004-06:36 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clutch (Noisey?)
MESSAGE: True, the clutch on the GE was a work of genious. But I found it to be a big source of noise on this machine. On more than one occassion, I had replaced a multi-speed cutch with a single speed clutch and what a diference in noise levels. The single speed clutch was much quieter in operation.
This could have been due to gradual wear on the shoes in the clutch that created such a racket.
Has anyone else noticed the noise issue?
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Post# 37996-4/24/2004-06:44 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
GE Filter-Pan or Filter-Ring?
MESSAGE: All of you GE fans, which did you prefer? The Filter Pan found in the GE? Or, the self cleaning filter ring found on the Hotpoint version?
My preference was the filter pan over the ring. I never had much use for self cleaning filters of any kind on any machine period.
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Post# 37997-4/24/2004-06:45 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter-Pan or Filter-Ring? (Speaking of Filter Ring)
MESSAGE:
This just popped up on Ebay...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3812021284&rd=1
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Post# 37998-4/24/2004-07:44 ||| appliancelover (Upstate New York)
SUBJECT:
MAYTAG POD
MESSAGE: O.K. I'll admit my questions are going to sound stupid to those of you who know as much as you do about all these beautiful machines. On the POD of the Maytag, what are the rubber looking pieces on the inside of the lid? Also, what are the two things on the inside of the tub that look like a nut of some sort? I've never seen a Maytag from this era, so I'm not at all familiar with them.
I've only been reading these posts for a few weeks now, but have already learned a great deal from all of you.
Thanks!
John
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Post# 37999-4/24/2004-10:34 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Clutch (Noisy?)
MESSAGE: The clutch bearings (especially the carrier-plate and inner-drum bearings) can affect noise too. I've found that with OK shoes and good bearings, the clutch is somewhat noisy at slow speed, but quiet once it kicks into high speed. Needless to say, bad bearings can cause noises of their own or upset the relationship of the inner drum and carrier plate, causing a bit of noise.