The following are archived forum messages from the original forum of automaticwasher.org referred to as Applianceville from May, 2001 to Sept 2004...
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Post# 40000-6/12/2004-00:49 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
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WP/KM Date Code in Serial #'s
MESSAGE: I tho't I knew how to read the date code in WP serial #'s but I guess I don't, at least pre-1963 or so and back into the 50's. Can some one help me on this. I have recently picked up a matching, not in the greatest shape but some place to start, 24" washer and 24" dryer. I tho't that the # after the letter in the serial # was the year and the next 2 #'s were for the week of that year to show when it was made, but the washer has a serial # of C500021 mod#110.6104200. The way I was reading it doesn't work. Please help me figure out when it was made. I know lots of mod#'s, like the 6104200 indicate that the model was introduced for 1961, but I have seen serial #'s on newer models that indicate they may have been made as much as 5 or 6 years prior to the model indicator. Thanks for any help. Glen.
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Post# 40001-6/12/2004-00:52 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT:
RE: The Krusher-or is it the "Shredder"?
MESSAGE: If I see it right, it looks to me to be a newer Norge/Maytag style dryer. The blower housing is on the right and drum support on the left.
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Post# 40002-6/12/2004-00:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Cute little stackable set on eBay (Dryer and Bracket)
MESSAGE: The mixed breed lineage is strange
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Post# 40003-6/12/2004-02:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
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RE: 1958 Speed Queen Dryer
MESSAGE: Oh what a beauty!! Somebody bid!! Please!!
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Post# 40004-6/12/2004-07:01 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cute little stackable set on eBay
MESSAGE: Hi Austin.
Are you confident it really is a Speed Queen?
It looks like a close relative of your GE. The knobs look just like the GE/Hitachi clones sold here.
I have attached a link to a later model Hitachi on Aus EBay. If you look closely you can see the small knobs (water level, temp,) are the same as the stacked pair in your photo. The timer knob isn't there cause the one in my pic is electronic. But the timer knob in your pic is the same as GE600N and its Hitachi equivalent.
I don't think the washer & dryer are one unit, I super sized the pic and you can see the washer has a raised section to take a dryer, and the dryer sits on top.
Hitachi sold stacked pairs similar to these, but they weren't popular. Aussie dryers are all small like the GE one in your photo, if you want to mount the dryer over a top load washer, you buy a dryer hanging bracket and attach the dryer to the wall over the washer. You fit it high enough to open the washer lid without hitting the dryer.
Chris.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3820841540&category=20714&sspagename=rvi:1:1#ebayphotohosting
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Post# 40005-6/12/2004-07:13 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT:
Robert's new home
MESSAGE: Robert, your new basement is marvelous. I can't believe you've done so much is such a short period of time. What's the scoop with the 55(?) Hotpoint? You said it neeeded some work before you hook him up. Also, where is the 53 frog-eye Kenmore? The one that was next to the 57 Lady & 52 Whirlpool at the old house. I didn't see it in the new basement photos. I also didn't see the 57 GE dryer or the sunny yellow Maytag. Just curious.
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Post# 40006-6/12/2004-07:15 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Aus Hoover
MESSAGE: Hi Greg
That is one of the sad ones - after Maytag took over Hoover Aus, the Hoover badge was downgraded. The Blackstone-origin models disappeared and we got plastic junk instead - though they have proven to be reasonably reliable after all. They use "pulgitators" - the full size ones like the one in your link use the plastic gear transmission which was designed for the Premier 5kg top loader, the big machines like Ambassador and Commander are 7kg but use the same trans and motor, but a bigger trans pulley is used to gear down so it spins and agitates slower. The pulley is like an extra flange around the transmission. The engineering is really ugly and it looks like junk but they seem to be OK. My sister has one the same as your photo, it is about 10 years old, is used daily and hasn't needed service yet.
I have found a Hoover 720 on Ebay, it is the last of the good ones. Basically the same as the Blackstone, but electric pump, plastic outer tub (never been a problem), and the spin clutch is "looser" so it slowly winds up to spin speed, if it gets off balance it just spins slower, the OOB cutout was deleted.
Good luck with getting your Hoover.
Chris.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3820004374&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 40007-6/12/2004-08:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Cute little stackable set on eBay
MESSAGE: Very interesting; it looks EXACTLY like mine, except for the electronic control! This makes me believe even more that mine spins at 800 RPM (I really can't estimate the spin speed just by watching it but it does seem pretty fast), the same as the Australian GE's, since they appear to be basically the same (does anybody have technical specs on the American version?).
About the stackable--I've seen many types of "bracket jobs" but this probably isn't one piece, judging by what you mentioned. At least it
looks like one machine...
--Austin
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Post# 40008-6/12/2004-08:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home
MESSAGE: I ask that same question about the '49 & '55 Unimatics...
--Austin
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Post# 40009-6/12/2004-08:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home (The Krusher!)
MESSAGE: Hi Les, the '56 Hotpoint needs a lot of work because it appears that someone had taken it apart and put it back together trying to find out what is wrong.
The '53 24" Frog-Eye Kenmore is in storage as well as the '57 GE Dryer, with all the new stuff I've found over the past few years there is only so much room. I offered the sunny yellow Maytag to the club and there were no takers so off to the krusher it went.
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Post# 40010-6/12/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home
MESSAGE: Huh? The
'55 Unimatic is there in front of your very eyes in the Frigidaire Gallery Pictures.
In 2001 Jon Charles and I traded his '55 Pulsamatic for my '49 Unimatic. The '49 is now safe at home in Boston.
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Post# 40011-6/12/2004-09:14 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
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RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: Robert and other members
My parents purchased a late 1951 or early 1952 Frigidaire WO-65. It has the two rinse cycle but has the WO-65-2 agitator. Did Frigidaire made a model of washer that was a transition between years or models? The washer also had a plastic lid handle rather than a metal one that I have always seen in ads. The transmission was repaired in 1959 and continued to be used until 1964 when the machine was scrapped.
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Post# 40012-6/12/2004-10:55 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Robert's new home (49 spin pics - yo! Jetcone!)
MESSAGE: We played with the '49 in February when we were out there, but STILL haven't seen those cool 'spin with the top off' pictures!
Take a break from watching the Cook-N-Stir, Jetcone! Post some pictures!! ;-)
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Post# 40013-6/12/2004-11:12 ||| Wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT:
Applianceville rules!
MESSAGE: Hi!
Thanks for such a great site. I never knew that other people like me existed.
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Post# 40014-6/12/2004-12:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home
MESSAGE: This shows everyone my head has been spinning around at 1140 RPM so I didn't see the Frigidaire...LOL
--Austin
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Post# 40015-6/12/2004-12:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home (The Krusher!)
MESSAGE: How sad, that Maytag was one of the more beautiful machines in your collection, but at least vintage Maytags are more common than anything else ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 40016-6/12/2004-12:58 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Aus Hoover
MESSAGE: Sad or not, I love seeing those Aussie machines!
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Post# 40017-6/12/2004-13:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Now THAT'S a great looking control panel! What year is that? It seems to be late 60's. I notice the engineering isn't just a GE "clone" like the later machines. And all those soaking and rinsing options, as well as 4 speeds!
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Post# 40018-6/12/2004-13:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Robert's move
MESSAGE: So out of curiosity, was the move to the new place just for the sake of having more space for more machines, or were there other considerations?
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Post# 40019-6/12/2004-14:11 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: I had a similar washer come through the shop a few years ago,but without the woodgrain.And definately not avocado!
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Post# 40020-6/12/2004-14:35 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
Hotpoint fans!
MESSAGE: Get your wallets out!(and probably your neighbors too!)
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3682079676
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Post# 40021-6/12/2004-15:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay
MESSAGE: It's an Ebay bonanza this week! "Washerking" is the high bidder - do we know who this is? Well, good luck mystery bidder, this a beauty!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3821141898
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Post# 40022-6/12/2004-15:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
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RE: Hotpoint fans! (Everyday's a Holiday With Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: That is very cool - get the price though! This promotional charachter was called "Happy Hotpoint" in much of their advertising, I have several sheets with print-ready art that includes this little guy.
A couple of weeks ago, Mary Tyler Moore was a guest on Ellen Degeneres and one of the first jobs in show biz Mary had was a dancer in Hotpoint commercials. She was "Happy Hotpoint" and danced around the Hotpoint logo in the clip for their dishwashers.
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Post# 40023-6/12/2004-18:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
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RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay (KA top rack washing)
MESSAGE: Did KA top load machines ever get an upper spray arm? That's about the only thing that bugs me about the early KA machines is that they didn't even ATTMEPT to address the blocking of the wash action to the upper rack by large items in the lower rack (not even a middle "tower" or wall mounted spray tube) until very late in the game. Seemed like such a big oversight in what are otherwise fine machines.
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Post# 40024-6/12/2004-18:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Hotpoint POD (My dream machine!)
MESSAGE: Today's POD was displayed before, and I thought Rich (golittlesport) mentioned 1966. This machine is a
TRUE BEAUTY, look at all those settings! It also seems to be the start of "large capacity" (16+ lb. tubs are the absolute best even though some of you may disagree), and the self-contained "fountain-filter" agitator was a novel idea. I would LOVE to find a washer like this!
It's amazing what Hotpoint used to be; this machine makes today's Hotpoints, as well as the previous "GE Clones", look like sad jokes! Hotpoint is an excellent example of a good, reliable brand turning into cheap, plastic crap after becoming another brand's BOL line...
--Austin
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Post# 40025-6/12/2004-18:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
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RE: Hotpoint fans!
MESSAGE: I've never seen this character before. He would make a great addition to any Hotpoint memorabilia collection, but
LOOK AT THE PRICE!
--Austin
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Post# 40026-6/12/2004-19:37 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
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RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay (KA/WP connection?)
MESSAGE: This KA model seems similar to early WP dishwashers that had the consoles on the rear of the machines.At any time did KA ever manufacture dishwashers for WP?,..or was it the other way around? Does anybody know out there?
pat
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Post# 40027-6/12/2004-19:42 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
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RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay (KA top rack washing)
MESSAGE: The answer is no. Only one wash arm. Yes, KA built like Buick’s awkward rack and idiotic cycle configuration. Old manuals numerous pixs on cookware loaded in top rack. Load as instructed. No way anything in top rack got washed. Late 70’s added upper arm; very poor performance.
Firgidaire like that of KA. Gone was spin tube. No change to top rack other than it still didn’t accommodate bowls etc., now glasses not loaded at angle. Lower wash arm with stationary tower. Tower and front center silver basket made loading it with anything other than plates just as frustrating as GE DW. The rare time a bowl fit in bottom forget about the towers scientific complete ineffectiveness in cleaning items above that.
Available at the same time Whirlpool indirect feed upper wash arm. Lady Kenmore’s upper wash arm was direct feed. Both systems yielded good performance and the waited for ease of “RANDOM” loading. I recall print ad campaign. Can you load your DW like this??? As if in a cult a decade would pass. KA, GE, Frigidaire, Westinghouse and Maytag remained blind to the superior design available circa 67/68 of Whirlpool - Lady K. Go figure?
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Post# 40028-6/12/2004-21:35 ||| camMURRAY20 (Savannah, GA)
SUBJECT:
RE: 1968 Westinghouse Washer
MESSAGE: Do you have any videos for the washing machine?
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org
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Post# 40029-6/12/2004-21:39 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT:
Aussie Hoover/Blackstone
MESSAGE: According to Google thare has been a discussion of the origin of Australian Hoover 500/600/700 from Blackstone machines but I cant find the reference in the archives. Grateful if anyone could help?
Peter
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Post# 40030-6/13/2004-07:09 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Aussie Hoover/Blackstone
MESSAGE: Welcome Wilkinsservice, The post your looking for is #39219. Just use the prev button at the top of the page until you get to the post your looking for, then as you go foward you can look for replies to that post. Enjoy the site!
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Post# 40031-6/13/2004-07:13 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
New photos
MESSAGE: My new photo page, Thanks Robert!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/
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Post# 40032-6/13/2004-07:23 ||| RE563 (Port St. Lucie, Florida)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay
MESSAGE: Guys:
Washerking is me!!!!!--I tried several names before I found one that was not in use. I couldn't believe that this machine was on ebay as my neighbor growing up had this exact same machine (only in white). I was always so envious of her. (couldn't get my mom to buy a dishwasher to save my life.) So anyway. There ya have it.
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Post# 40033-6/13/2004-08:13 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
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RE: Aussie Hoover/Blackstone
MESSAGE: Hi Peter.
Good to see a fellow Victorian on the site.
Greg (Gansky1) and I have swapped pics as Greg has a US made Hoover top loader (very rare) which was made by Blackstone in the US. I posted a pic of the inside of a Hoover 620 (well, a wreck of one) which Greg has confirmed is a Blackstone design.
I'm still not clear on exactly when Blackstone disappeared in the US as it seems the same machine lived on (as a Hoover)much longer over here. I'd love to know if the transmissions were made here or imported.
I am also suspicious that the big Simpsons (144 etc) were based on a US design but I haven't yet found a match.
DrMitch's post number isn't the right one, the Blackstone/Hoover discussion took place MUCH earlier, it would have been a few months ago.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 40034-6/13/2004-10:44 ||| appliancelover (Upstate New York)
SUBJECT:
A FRIGIDAIRE QUESTION
MESSAGE: When I was quite young, I had an aunt who had a Frigidaire washer. I think it must have been late 50's or early 60's. Since she lived in FL and we lived in NY, I didn't get to see the machine all that often. I do remember there being a button or knob, and asking her what it was for. She said it had something to do with off balance loads. That's all I remember about it. Since I was only about 5, I don't remember exactly what she said. Does anyone know anything about such a knob or button?
Thanks
John
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Post# 40035-6/13/2004-13:37 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: A FRIGIDAIRE QUESTION
MESSAGE: A lot of the earlier Frigidaires had a reset pushbutton prominently displayed on the control panel.Maybe that's what you remember.
kennyGF
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Post# 40036-6/13/2004-14:00 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
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RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Nice pics!
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Post# 40037-6/13/2004-15:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Great pics - your kitchen (and probably whole house) is spotless! Did you take everything out of the Philco fridge for the glamour shots or do you just eat out a lot? ;-) Still love those radios displayed over the washer/dryer! Thanks for posting these for us again!
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Post# 40038-6/13/2004-15:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kitchen Aid portable top-load on ebay
MESSAGE: Welcome and enjoy the site here and best of luck on the KA dishwasher on ebay - looks like it will be going to a loving home!
Greg
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Post# 40039-6/13/2004-15:25 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
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RE: Aus Hoover (Pulgitator)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
All Hoover, Simpson, and Westinghouse (Westinghouse was only just reintroduced) Have had pulgitators since the late eighties, simpson even earlier.
These days, they dont even look all that different inside, just 3 clones with 3 different control panels. (The Westing house goes up to 9.5KG capacity and has a window in the lid. But is the same otherwise)
With all of these machines, the motor reverses every 1-2 seconds. The clothes dont roll over as such they more move backwards and forwards. The agitator I think oscilates more than 360deg.
The lint filter on all of them is useless, its a tiny net bag mounted in the agitator.
Currently we're having curbside pickup in our area, and all the washers I've spotted so far, are 5yo Hoover and Simpsons. So that looks like their usefull life.
Pretty sad
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40040-6/13/2004-20:56 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos
MESSAGE: It's nice to see a house with no junky looking modern appliances!
The only thing missing is a kitchen radio. ;-)
Ken D.
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Post# 40041-6/13/2004-21:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Hi Don, your pictures are wonderful, thanks for sharing. I love the color schemes. The Philco Fridge is wonderful, but how come its empty???
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Post# 40042-6/13/2004-21:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: I went up yesterday to meet Greg Barbeau (Applianceville member name: Fixerman) and he showed me some of his vintage machines and was kind enough to sell me his Apex Dish-a-matic!!! He has a few machines that he might like to find a good home for so if you are interested please contact him at FordmanX94@aol.com, here are a few pictures of these machines...
Thanks again Greg, it was great meeting you.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/FIXERMAN/
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Post# 40043-6/13/2004-21:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
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RE: Dryer sheets (shrinking jeans)
MESSAGE: the ones I used to buy at that point were a little "baggier" than the jeans sold today at astonomical prices.It was at a western town-many cattle ranches out there.The ranchers would be harder on the jeans than me.also the fabric on those older ones seemed heavier.
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Post# 40044-6/13/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Ahhh, it feels wonderful to have an Apex Appliance back in the basement, while its not my dream Apex Bouncing Basket Washer, its a wonderful machine to have in the collection. The dishwasher is much more mechanical than electrical and its a gravity drain machine. The impeller sits on a base with a big rubber diaphram that plunges down to seal off the drain hole whenever the motor is running. There is one wash and one rinse, then the cover pops up and the impeller runs for another 10 minutes to curculate air to dry the dishes. It has a heater tank that keeps water at 180 degrees ready at anytime for dishwashing.
We weren't sure of its age, but I found parts marked 1949, so now we know. More picts and info to come when I start working on it.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40045-6/13/2004-22:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - looks like he's found some neat things, those GE's are very neat as is the Speed Queen twinnie.
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Post# 40046-6/13/2004-22:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Super dishwasher - love the speckled interior and simplicity of the design. I'll bet it doesn't do a half-bad job with that 180 degree water too! Congrats Robert, a great addition to the basement!
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Post# 40047-6/13/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Saturdays POD is the 1972-1974 line Hotpoint TOL washer. It was the very last solid basket Hotpoint line before they switched over to all GE design in '75.
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Post# 40048-6/13/2004-23:00 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Yes-I like that -no newer kitchen machines.I replaced two of my appliances after I moved in my home-I don't know how "vintage" 1972 would be-the year my house was built.It still has its Hotpoint oven and cooktop.Trying to get burners for my cooktop.Places around here don't have them.The swap shop I commonly go to is looking.Besides a radio-the kitchen of that vintage needs a HB or Sunbeam MM mixer.The Fridge that was in my home was a very mildewed Kenmore.Worked well but was difficult to keep clean.also a cheap new Hotpoint Dishwasher. Replaced with a new KA.Looking for a Vintage KA.The newer KA dishwasher works much better than and is much quieter than the Hotpoint. The hotpoint was a "builders" model.The homes in my area have vintage KA dishwashers and they still work.The houses are the same age as mine.
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Post# 40049-6/13/2004-23:08 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I've been doing the rounds of the curbside collection, and I've stumbled accross two machines of interest.
One appears to be the last of the GE Filter Flo's with Filter and Fabric softener dispenser. The other is a Kleenmaid, which from what I understand is a Amana type machine.
Both would be about 15yrs old. The Filter Flo is in pretty good condition. How hard are the Filter Flo's to repair? What commonly goes wrong? its a cuter machine than the very boring Kleenmaid, but I think the Kleenmaid would be easier to bring back to life.
Thanks
Nathan
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Post# 40050-6/13/2004-23:37 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Don, thank you for the pictures and evena pic of you. I loved seeing the Maytags again. I didn't recall Frigidaire having such large door windows on ranges. Another what's old is new again. Cool fridge. Hmm, I think the kitchen needs a vintage top load dishwasher, like a GE Modile Maid on Ebay.
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Post# 40051-6/13/2004-23:39 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: Greg, some interesting machines, especially the dryer. One of our neighbors down the street had the next model down from that 2-speed early perf tub GE Filter-Flo. That washer lasted thur a family of 6 until being replaced by a Kenmore 800 like Jason & I had. Yes Jason, we had two Kenmore 800s on one street.
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Post# 40052-6/13/2004-23:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Robert, fascinating. How much water does the heater tank hold at a time? I find it also interesting the speckled tub and lid are so reminiscent of a WO65. Now if a 19502 or so Apex built in dishwasher could be found, then I'd get to see the dishwasher my parents had before I was born, which was removed late 1954 or 1955.
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Post# 40053-6/14/2004-01:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Another BD Whirlpool Set on eBay...
MESSAGE: This early 80's set came with a house and seller doesn't need it (is he wrong ;-)...washer & dryer are in GREAT shape and work GREAT. Virginia, $5.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3821290379&rd=1
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Post# 40054-6/14/2004-01:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Hotpoint POD
MESSAGE: Wow, another example of a late solid-tub machine, besides the SQ & Skinni-Mini!
--Austin
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Post# 40055-6/14/2004-02:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Its become academic anyways. I'm not allowed to get the Kleenmaid and someone wouldnt come with me until it was dark, by which time the GE was gone.
He's being all apologetic atm, so hopefully if we find the whirlpool of my dreams, he'll get it there and then.
LOL
Hugs
Nathan :)
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Post# 40056-6/14/2004-04:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: Why were you not allowed to get teh Kleenmaid if it was out for disposal anyway?
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Post# 40057-6/14/2004-04:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: I can't believe that those burners for your cooktop would be hard to get. I've seen them at Home Depot and at local parts appliance places, and I imagine they could be ordered from various parts websites.
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Post# 40058-6/14/2004-04:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Perforated GE tubs
MESSAGE: It seems that making the the GE tubs perforated would really turn them into water hogs, since now the outer tub would have to be full of water in order for the inner basket to be full, too. And since GE still had that huge space between the inner basket and the outer tub, I see what CR was complaining about regarding water usage. Of course, the upside is that now the Filter Flo system would work at all water levels and there would be better sand disposal.
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Post# 40059-6/14/2004-05:24 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos
MESSAGE: Thanks for the compliments guys. A snow day last winter resulted in me defrostimg my frige and polishing it,But I dont keep a lot of stuff in there.(I live close to mom and pop Ha!) My small home was built in 1953 and the small shop that now has my carport attached was the orignal laundry room. See ya!
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Post# 40060-6/14/2004-05:33 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
Just a funny with E-bay
MESSAGE: Last week I bought an eletrolux model 30 XXX on ebay, and I was looking to buy a second one. I had requested shipping quotes from three different sellers, a couple of days passed and there were no responses so I asked them all again, and still had no response at the close of the auctions. Two days later I got a message to check the spam filter my ISP provides and found all my responses were held there for their sexual content,( XXX ). What a laugh I got!
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Post# 40061-6/14/2004-05:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: My BF views the Kleenmaid as not as clean and pretty as the GE was. (nothing that a good scrubbing wont fix) We have a 3 washer rule and atm there are 3, so unless there is a good reason I'm not allowed to bring another home. (A Good reason is its clean, tidy, Large capacity, and can go into the Laundry.
He is getting good at spotting them though. He came back from getting lunch and was telling me about this GE he'd seen from the car. Sure enough when we got there it was a GE. It wasnt allowed to go in his car though, so by the time we went back in mine, it was gone :( Such is life.
He's being very sweet and dissappointed, as much for himself as me I think. He wont admit it, but he was telling my mother tonight how we'd been off Washer hunting today. :) I think he's becomming hooked by the bug.
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Post# 40062-6/14/2004-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, the cuter ones are always more of a challenge :)
The Filter-Flo should be relatively easy to repair if parts are available down there. Did you happen to snap a picture of either of these machines, we would love to see what they look like?
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Post# 40063-6/14/2004-08:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Bob, I would think the '49 Model would be very similar to the '52 model so when you see it, you should be able to consider it to be close enough.
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Post# 40064-6/14/2004-08:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: Hey if he gets hooked the 3 washer rule might turn into the 6 washer rule! We have the 35 washer rule :)
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Post# 40065-6/14/2004-08:53 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni and Nathan,
"the cuter ones are always more of a challenge"...
Are you talking about washing machines or boyfriends?
I suppose it applies to both, really...
Nathan, for future info: There are 2 distinct types of Kleenmaid full size top loader. The later ones, right up to current, are Speed Queen. Competent, reliable, unexciting. Parts are easily available but expensive. The machines are VERY easy to work on. They were also sold here briefly as a Speed Queen Marathon. I have found the parts cheaper from Speed Queen laundromat machinery suppliers than through Kleenmaid.
The earlier Kleenmaids are more interesting - they are a belt drive Whirlpool design, made in Brazil. They even have surgilator written on the agitator. They would be eighties vintage, well after Aus made Whirlpools disappeared. The only ones I have seen were beige/almond, but I don't know if they were avail in white too.
Happy hunting.
Best Wishes
Chris.
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Post# 40066-6/14/2004-09:19 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex Dish-A-Matic)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Real cool dishwasher - It would be great if it had a window
Peter
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Post# 40067-6/14/2004-14:18 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (:()
MESSAGE: No Pics sorry, I might go back and see if I can get pics of the Kleenmaid this arvo. It had its front off leaning against it, from what I could see the pump belt was missing.
He has made murmours that if I want to bring more home, I have to start taking them up the coast to his mothers. I'm just not sure how she'd react. But then again he's a loved only child :)
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Post# 40068-6/14/2004-14:28 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys :)
I guess I'm talking about both :) He is a challenge at times, but he acknowledges this and does things to show appreciation for my tolerance. Thusly the acceptance of the washers and other out of the blue sweet things. But he's not that bad :)
This Kleenmaid was the speed queen type, motor mounted at the front centre, pump on the right, belt back to the gearbox. The Belt was missing off the pump. Straight vaneish agitator with fabric softener dispenser in a stainless steel bowl. We had one in the Home Ec dept at school, and it twice daily used to be stuffed with 3 times the amount of T-Towels than it should and it was still going strong after at least 10 years.
I might make the suggestion that we go back and retrieve it if its still there. If its too bad after I clean we can always put it back out for curbside collection :)
Hugs
Nathan :)
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Post# 40069-6/14/2004-15:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Fixerman's Pictures
MESSAGE: I really love that Speed Queen twinnie!!!!
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Post# 40070-6/14/2004-15:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Robert, congratulations on that beautiful dishwasher. It must be an omen!!
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Post# 40071-6/14/2004-15:57 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Oh you bad boy! A Speed Queen is never unexciting!!
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Post# 40072-6/14/2004-18:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: My stove doesn't use the standard "plug-in" elements.Lowes,HD and other stores have all the plug in ones anyone could want-but no non plug-in units.also it uses 3 wire units-whicxh according to the man that runs the swap shop out here-he works on stoves and ranges-mentined they were hard to find.He was trying to find some.It is kinda strange.
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Post# 40073-6/14/2004-19:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: Went to the internet and looked it up-found info about replacements and what to look for.Indeed mine are the wire-in type units.-also called Tilt-lock Hinge elements.They have a wiring block that goes on the connector end of the element.If I could locate any of these-I could install it and get the stove going to its full glory.Right now its a two burner hotplate.also would need new trim rings and refelector bowels.It seems like any house I have moved into I have had to replace the trim rings and reflectors.This one I practically have to rebuild the cooktop.Its a nice one-keeps the charactor of the house.-That why I want a "vintage" KA dishwasher.It needs a 1350 W element and a 2500W element.Will try the appliance parts store around here again.It doesn't have Agitamers but should have the burners I need-and rings and bowels too.
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Post# 40074-6/14/2004-20:08 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
RE: A FRIGIDAIRE QUESTION (reset button on fridgidaire washer)
MESSAGE: The reset button was a motor reset. It would activate or trip if a load was off balance enough to overheat the motor. This is the machine I grew up with....mom, grandma, and aunt all had the matched set(s). All were in use until the late 60's and my aunt used hers until 1977.
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Post# 40075-6/14/2004-20:09 ||| cehalstead (charleston, wv)
SUBJECT:
oops!!! i spelled it wrong
MESSAGE: OOPS!!! I spelled Frigidaire wrong....
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Post# 40076-6/14/2004-20:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
What Texas does to a Vintage Washer
MESSAGE: Hoovermatic on eBay, one of the earlier models (notice how wash timer is on top, not front) from the 50's--60's. The washtub and impeller look decent, but the rest of the machine is in
horrible cosmetic shape, possibly from sitting in a hot, humid garage for years. I'm surprised everything works on this machine. A good example of what Texas weather does to an appliance; they rarely last this long in these conditions (as well as being used regularly). This also explains why 70's machines (usually Kenmores or Whirlpools) in good condition are so common; they haven't stood the
real test of time yet.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3820894739&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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Post# 40077-6/14/2004-20:15 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: This is what Lousiana does to a washer too. :-(
Keeping the washer/dryer in the garage is enough for it to get eaten alive with rust.
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Post# 40078-6/14/2004-20:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: If the washer is stored or used in the garage(or even front porch)gets eaten alive by rust and corrosion in this area too.also happens to them in souhtern Virginia.A friend of mine and me had to rewire a some lady's telephone wiring because she was getting severe RF interference from a nearby radio station transmitter site.He house was next to the Tx site.The radio station was paying us to redo her phone wiring.We had to do most of the work in the basement-we should have gotten hazard pay--mold and mildew all over.Including a very rusted,mildewed DA BD KN washer that was just abandoned in the basement.She had a newer BD KN machine on the basement stair landing!!the miuldew was starting to attack that one as well.The phone wiring was a success.The house looked as though it was over 50 yrs old.
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Post# 40079-6/14/2004-20:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: In Houston's older neighborhoods/subdivisions (and in some newer ones as well) the laundry pair is almost ALWAYS in the garage. Very rarely have I seen an old house (60's or earlier) where the washer & dryer is in a closet or room in the house itself. When my dad was growing up in the Heights, their 60's TOL GE Filter-Flo set was on the back porch. I'm sure
that was healthy for the washer.
Guess I'd better start saving those BD Kenmores before the rust eats 'em alive...
--Austin
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Post# 40080-6/14/2004-20:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: I wonder if the agitator and lid handle itself was replaced sometime in the machine's life...
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Post# 40081-6/14/2004-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: In general-the whole east coast area gets pretty humid and any appliance sittting in the garage or outside is in rust-corrosion danger-not to mention freezing weather.Also in the basement of that womans house was two rusted water heaters and an old rusted out furnace.A newer one was there too.Her dryer was in the kitchen.She used the top of it as another kitchen table work area.The Houston area is humid -or worse than the areas I live in.My washers-dryer is in the conditioned area of my house.A few of my neighbors have theirs in the garage.One neighbor has a new FP set in their garage.Saw them delivored one day.Save what you can and try to keep them in a conditioned area.Suppose the rust is SLOW torture for appliances-least the "Krusher-shredder" is quick.
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Post# 40082-6/14/2004-22:06 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Thanks for sharing terrific photos. Wow, that is some Dish-A-Matic. 1700 watts/14 amps!!! Has to weigh at least two hundred lbs. Noticed cast aluminum fill funnel. Wish that early GE Mobile Maids had that design. Instead of rubber. Say on the “Apex” badge what that symbol at the bottom? Also is it operational?
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Post# 40083-6/14/2004-22:42 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT:
my new filter flo
MESSAGE: I went to a local used appliance dealer here in Sacramento, and saw three filter flo and several turquoise agitator Maytags. I left thinking that I could wait and maybe buy later. I went back today and the filter flo that I wanted was gone. But I did buy one in fairly good condition. I will report on the model number later when I get it. So if you see a washer you might want, grab it. Mine looks like a late 80's not so classic, but still a filter flo. I plan to use it for the dog sheets and blankets.
Stopped by the local Maytag dealer, to see if he had some trade-ins. He said Maytag is discontinuing the commercial type washer with the porcelain enamel tub, commercial drive system and procelain enamel top. This is the last of the quality regular TL machine. They will concentrate on FL Neptunes and TL Neputnes, at of course almost twice the price of the commercial type.
I need to say that I am in awe of Unimatic and Drmitch, such great collection displays. And thanks for the fantastic site.
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Post# 40084-6/14/2004-23:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex Dish-A-Matic)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete, don't worry by the time I get done with this DW it will have a see thru window, I will probably have a piece of glass cut in the shape of the lid. I did this for my Frigidaire D&M top loader dw, but I used plexiglass which isn't as good as real glass for keeping the leaks out. So its glass all the way for the Apex DW.
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Post# 40085-6/14/2004-23:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: GE Filter Flo vs Kleenmaid (Amana) (Challenge)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, I'm definitely referring to both! :)
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Post# 40086-6/14/2004-23:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: Was this machine bought 2nd hand? It sounds like they were both replaced, the lid handle did not come in plastic during the entire run of that line.
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Post# 40087-6/14/2004-23:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: Thanks! I have the entire Apex taken apart tonight and it sure does need it. Good thing I took it apart before I put any water in it, there are two holes in the bottom of the right next to the sump that need to be patched, otherwise it would have leaked right into the motor. When I first got the machine home the motor was not working, but a simply push of its red reset button fixed that! Now for the hard stuff. I'll post some restoration pictures as I move along later on in the week.
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Post# 40088-6/14/2004-23:11 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: VERY strange, since we aren't talking about 40 year old "vintage" appliances. Have you tried Johnstone Supply?
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Post# 40089-6/14/2004-23:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Wonderful)
MESSAGE: Hi '48 Congrats on your find. Having a filter-flo of any age is going to be great!
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Post# 40090-6/14/2004-23:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: See the other entry I made on the machine-It has what they would call "tilt-lock-hinged" elements.-3 wire.They are not plug in.They are wired into the cooktop with a terminal block that mounts on the connector end of the element.After looking at the website that showed it-will try the local appliance part supplier to see if they have the burner elements.also the stove needs reflectors and trim rings.Have to practically rebuild this one.Needs one large burner and one small one.Will inspect them again to see what the part# is.
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Post# 40091-6/14/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: New photos (GE/Hotpoint cooktop surface units)
MESSAGE: The unit is about 30 years old-I thought I could just go to Lowes or HD and get the burners.I'll have to try the D@L appliance parts-they are the main parts source around this area.They should have them.They serve the Southeast areas.D@L didn't have Agitamers-but knew of them.
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Post# 40092-6/14/2004-23:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: Ah, the advantages of living in a "semi-arid desert" (as this area is designated on a climate map). Unless appliances have been damaged from many moves from house to house, they look pretty the same when they get put out for curbside pickup as they did when they arrived new. Most older homes in the L.A. metropolitan area have the laudnry in a "service porch" that is usually off the kitchen and has the back door leading to the backyard. Newer homes in the suburbs often have them in the garage, but quite a few have a "laundry room" inside the house, or they're in a closet in a hallway or in the kitchen.
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Post# 40093-6/14/2004-23:25 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Hi:
What on earth are they thinking at Maytag? They can't possibly believe that Neptunes are better than the commercial-quality TL's, not with all the bad press and the class-action suits for Neptunes (if you have a Neptune and you're happy with it, I'm happy for your good luck- I personally know five people who wish they'd never bought one, let alone gotten so familiar with terms like wax motors, R11 resistors, or control boards).
I'm really beginning to wonder if the end is near for the company, what with the layoffs, suits, problems, and dilution of the brand with cheaper stuff like the $79 Maytag air-conditioners at Home Depot.
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Post# 40094-6/14/2004-23:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Plexiglass vs glass)
MESSAGE: Funny, seems like leak prevention would be more of a function of the gaskets rather than being Plexiglass or real glass.
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Post# 40095-6/14/2004-23:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: So was the Apex designed to be fed hot water from the plumbing which it then boosted to the higher temperature? Or did it cold water and took it to the higher temp? I imagine it could work either way.
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Post# 40096-6/14/2004-23:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: It seems like Maytag should go back to its roots-fire its current Design and Engineering staff-scrap their new designs and dust off their old ones-stick to what works and what people like-it is sad-people buy the newer Maytag machines thinking they will get the quality "of the one my grandmother or mother had""or the one I used to have"and the get a junky machine for their money.I tell folks looking for Maytag machines to get old ones instead.-or keep and fix the old ones they may have.Is Maytag discontuneing supplying parts for their old machines?I have read about the failures and unhappiness about new Maytag machines people bought and described on Epinions. Its not just the Neptunes.Their newer TL machines have problems too-mainly transmissions fail.
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Post# 40097-6/14/2004-23:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: I could imagine the lawsuits must involve Neptunes whose door soleniods failed-causing the door on the machine to open and its water level sensor to continue to pump water into the machine flooding the owners house.Funny-don't the doors have interlocks-or did those fail too-comedy of errors.
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Post# 40098-6/15/2004-00:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: What Texas does to a Vintage Washer (The Land of Rust)
MESSAGE: The dry climate is an advantage.Low humidity and because of that no mildew.The mildew and mold is just as bad as the rust-just causes even more rust.The "service porch" is often called a "mudroom" in this area.Many homes here have that and the WD is located there.My home has a laundry room-and a rather generous one.Not the scale as Unimatics basement-but room for several machines.In other houeses here I have seen the WD in a closet in the hall.In some of the trialer homes here in a bathroom or the kitchen.That plastic GE washer put out for pickup awhile ago-its rusting away now in the woods.Maybe a hurricane will help tear some of it apart.
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Post# 40099-6/15/2004-00:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: Maytag has a new line of central air conditioning. Or, I assume it's new. There was an ad in the local newspaper last week, touting that they have stainless steel cases.
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Post# 40100-6/15/2004-00:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: With Maytags current track record-I think I would buy HVAC equipment from a company that really specilaizes in it.I don't know if the SS cabinets will do them much good-like to know the "quality" of what goes in it.Maybe for current Maytag products that SSI "Krusher-Shredder" will be very busy.
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Post# 40101-6/15/2004-00:27 ||| duetboy (Mayflower Arkansas)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know....)
MESSAGE: What in the world is a wax motor?
duetboy
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Post# 40102-6/15/2004-00:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know....)
MESSAGE: I would like to know as well.I wonder if they are referring to the door soleniod?The drive motor in Neptunes is a PM DC motorthat is controlled by the motor controller board.Those fail alot too.I would think that when the door soleniod fails the water may hit the motor control board on its way to the floor.
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Post# 40103-6/15/2004-01:07 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: Probably from their aquisition of Amana springs the Maytag HVAC brand name. I've seen several trucks around town with the Maytag and Amana brand names plastered on them, I guess they are jumping into that with both feet. Not sure of brand rating or reports of reliability for Amana, but I'd certainly research that before sinking a small fortune in equipment. My neigbor across the street does HVAC work, I'll ask him. He'll probably tell me to keep my 30 year old Bryant system (new A-coil) as he did 5 years ago...
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Post# 40104-6/15/2004-01:12 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: My mother's Frigidaire WO-65 was brought brand new at an authorize Frigidaire dealer in San Francisco probably late in 1951 after my sister was born in October 1951. That's why I wondering if there was a transition between model years (WO-65 to WO65-2). My mother did mentioned that the handle broke but the handle was a perfect match to the metal ones that I've seen with other WO-65 machines. The washer's pulsator was original to the machine.
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Post# 40105-6/15/2004-01:14 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: It is good you resisted the urge to fill 'er up and risk damaging the motor. Have you seen anything on the wattage or capacity of that heater tank yet? I would imagine it's much like an Instant Hot water dispenser mounted under the sink...
The '59 Frigidaire restoration is nearly complete, just need to figure out the tub balance issue. I've tried several ideas and can't come up with a workable solution - so far. I took after it with a drill and made a ring of holes on top of the balance-ring channel and plan on filling it with concrete tomorrow. We'll see... The machine works perfectly otherwise, pulsates and spins the "hub" at 850 RPM perfectly!
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Post# 40106-6/15/2004-01:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: Bryant-a familair name-At the radio station I worked at-their Tx site had a bryant system.Worked very well.All I had to do was replace filters and check refrigerent level.At that time the unit was about 15 years old.A 3 phase commercial unit.Makes sense-Maytag rebadging Amana HVAC units as Maytag.One of my neighbors here has an Amana unit.Will have to ask him how well it works.Looks like its pretty old.The only adjustment on the Bryant radio station unit was-I replaced the belt in the indoor unit and reset the tension and fan speed.
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Post# 40107-6/15/2004-01:29 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT:
Todays (POD)
MESSAGE: She cheated!
She popped the shirt out of the washer just before the washer came to a stop and before the lid hit the counter......
Spooky!
LOL
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Post# 40108-6/15/2004-01:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo
MESSAGE: Congrats on the filter-flo, you'll really enjoy playing with that washer! Did you get any kind of warranty with your machine?
Not surprised Maytag is dumping the "Dependable Care" models as they were once called. I've picked up several of these washers that were covered with oil underneath. They cheapened the water seals so much that many now suffer the same fate as the plastic tub GE's. GregM was here when I opened a Dep. Care new arrival, beautiful on the outside but coated with oil on the inside. Good riddance to bad rubbish I guess!
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Post# 40109-6/15/2004-01:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Todays (POD)
MESSAGE: ... and the filter tray is wedged under one of the agitator cones!
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Post# 40110-6/15/2004-01:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: When I was shopping for a new system several years ago, the dealer I selected offered Lennox and Amana (I went with Lennox). I don't recall the details at that time, but Amana had a good warranty. I Googled it just now, and if the info is correct, they currently have 5 years on parts, and limited lifetime on compressors. Interestingly (unless this is outdated info), Maytag owns the name, but it is licensed to Goodman, who manufactures and distributes the products.
According to maytaghvac.com, their lower-end line has a 10-year parts warranty, while the upper-end models have 10 years on both parts and labor. The entire unit is replaced for failure during the first five years. So it says.
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Post# 40111-6/15/2004-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning)
MESSAGE: I just remembered-had to replace some of the condenser fan motors.The orig motors lasted 15 years.Since those weren't available-ordered a replacement from Graingers.The Greinger motor lasted only one season.Ordered a name brand motor instead-Must of been a GE or westinghouse motor-was still going after I left the station.The compressor in the unit was still going.In those days I had to be a HVAC tech as well as a radioman.Wasn't much worse than replacing blower motors in the transmitters.
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Post# 40112-6/15/2004-05:24 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning-Amana)
MESSAGE: I would be surprised if the new Maytag HVAC is indeed a Maytag product. Probably an Amana built product,or subbed out to someone else. For example,we have a Maytag water heater in our basement. Quality piece,made by State Industries.The only thing Maytag is the name.
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Post# 40113-6/15/2004-06:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Hey Guys,
My man has pretty much found me the machine of my dreams. :)
While we were debated whether we should or shouldnt pick up the Kleenmaid on the way home, we stopped at the Bottle shop and went home a slightly different way. After an hour of finding numerous junky Hoovers and Simpsons, we found another MOL whirlpool, which funnily enough has exactly the same control panel as the one I showed you recently. (This time the model on the control panel matches the model on the machine.)
This looks like a 12-16 pounder, has the Blue horn shaped magic clean filter on the underside (how the recirc works with a 2 port pump I dont know.) It has the White surgilator agitator (Which is Faded Almond), and all the hoses underneath are original rubber.
We swapped the pump out of the other one as this ones was gunked with hair etc and not moving. (Bubby dearest took care of this, I wasnt allowed to help) Then it ran ok, but no cold water inlet, so I replaced the cold inlet solenoid with one from the other machine.
There is no rust on this one on the cabinet at all, and the paint is pretty near imacculate. Someone has offered to polish and buff the outside for me. :)
It has been mandated, that once I get new inlet hoses, new drain hose, new powerlead (The old one was cut off) and a new Lid, it can go into the Laundry. This one sounds like it too needs new motor bearings, I havent decided yet whether to take the motor out of the other one, or spend $10 and put new bearings in this one. I'm going to pull the otherone down and keep it for spares.
This one is much quieter and smoother, the chrome is in better condition and its just soo much cleaner. I just need to find a new lid. Bubby thinks he knows where one is up the coast.
He's taken some pictures for me, he's currently standing over it in the garage watching its load of soap to clean it out.
He's fussing over it because the first set of pictures dont do it enough justice, I've started posting the collect here.
He's doing a fabulous job :) He's a big Sweetheart.
I'll keep you up to date guys
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40114-6/15/2004-06:57 ||| rileysteve (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
Amana Quality Level
MESSAGE: Back in the 90's,when I still sold appliances, it was generally accepted that Whirlpool had the edge in refrigeration. Amana was the "second" choice, but a good one. Of course, time changes everything so no telling what is happening now. I purchased an Amana washer/dryer pair in winter of 2003. The washer came from the factory with a defective timer and a defective suspension system. The dryer had a problem with the rollers and with its stainless steel tub, has a penchant for breaking up the buttons on clothes. The owners manual warns not to move the washer more than a few feet without the "motor plug" in place, and, of course, the tub protection ring. The first time you have a chance to read the owners manual is when the delivery truck is long gone. I had to call and get the delivery people to return the "motor Plug"! When questioned they knew it had to be removed during the un-packing process, but had no idea the customer needed to keep it for future moves! The folks at Amana did not think this out very well, or perhaps they realized that they had a design that was prone to be sensitive to moving. In the event, we have been impressed with Amana quality, but not favorably.
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Post# 40115-6/15/2004-07:10 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :) (PS)
MESSAGE: I've just been advised I've missed some important details.
A) The current powercord came off a decrepit Hoover Frontloader down the street. I just popped out and snipped it off.
B) The lid screws are in, but there is no lid present for some reason. We're assuming that it was taken off the machine as we're supposed to do with Fridge doors etc so children cant get trapped and then the Lid went out in the Rubbish.
C) He's taken pics of my temporary plumbling pics and I have to put them up for display as well. Note the Inlet hose on the ground with the garden hose connected, and the drain hose going into a vaccum cleaner wand, ziptied into the Hotwater overflow drain :)
He's more excited than I even am :) We're off to try and take photo's of the Kleenmaid in the Dark, because he wants to now :)
I've unleashed the monster :)
I'm finding that the sediment in the machine isnt washing out all that quickly, is there any maintenance that can be done to the Magic clean system?
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40116-6/15/2004-07:45 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Kleenmaid Pics
MESSAGE: Well we're back now, its almost 11pm but here are the pics of the Kleenmaid.
Night guys
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=05@The%20Kleenmaid%20with%20the%20Front%20Off@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40117-6/15/2004-07:47 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex Dish-A-Matic)
MESSAGE: Thats great Robert - I wish they were all made with windows
Peter
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Post# 40118-6/15/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Plexiglass vs glass)
MESSAGE: Real glass is heaver than plastic plexiglass which helps to hold it down snug against the gasket, plexiglass has a tendency to warp as it heats up.
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Post# 40119-6/15/2004-08:30 ||| jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kleenmaid Pics (Kleenmaid KOOL!)
MESSAGE: G'day Brisnat81!
Enjoyed your pix of the Kleenmaid! Have you ever visited the showroom in Brisbane? I wanted to go but they wanted a block of time which I didn't have. I was very curious about what kind of machine they made. It looks like our Speed Queen over here from the SS tub and agitator. Its a full capacity machine I see,most of the washers I used in OZ were japanese and small capacity. My cousin in Cairns had a Hoover top loader if I remember correctly that the agitator spun around and around many times before revesing to do the same thing in the other direction. Never would have thought of that set up here all our agitators oscillate back and forth!
Keep the pix coming!
jetcone
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Post# 40120-6/15/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Robert's new home (Frigidaire WO-65)
MESSAGE: Could have been that Frigidaire started using the WO-65-2 Tub and Pulsator at the end of the WO-65 run.
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Post# 40121-6/15/2004-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex Dish-A-Matic (Apex is a mess, but I've had much worse.)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, the heater tank was disconnected and bypased so I need to undo all that and reconnect it. First I'm going to take the tank apart and clean it and add an on-off switch to it so it doesn't run 24/7. I'll keep an eye out for some wattage information.
Can't wait to hear how your balance ring experiment goes! Keep us posted.
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Post# 40122-6/15/2004-08:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kleenmaid Pics (Kleenmaid KOOL!)
MESSAGE: Judging by your description of the Hoover machine, it had a Pulgitator, since it oscillated more than 360° during agitation.
--Austin
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Post# 40123-6/15/2004-08:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Wow, it's in great shape considering the missing lid! And to think someone scrapped it because of a bad pump & water valve solenoid!
I think your husband has been bitten by the "washer bug" as well, and he's becoming hooked...
--Austin
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Post# 40124-6/15/2004-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, wonderful pictures! It so much fun to see some Australian Top Loaders that look similar to our machines, but have a distinctly different look and feel to them. Thanks for posting them, I've gone many a 11pm hunting trips myself.
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Post# 40125-6/15/2004-10:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Since this is a standard-capacity machine, I wonder if a Roto-Swirl would work in it.
--Austin
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Post# 40126-6/15/2004-10:04 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know.... (Wax Motors, Maytags))
MESSAGE: Duetboy:
A wax motor is a control device intended to eliminate mechanical parts in appliances. It has a little heater in it, some special wax that expands when heated, and a plunger. When the appliance reaches the point in the cycle where something is supposed to happen, power is sent to the heater, the heater heats the wax, the wax expands, and that moves the plunger, which activates whatever part needs to move. They're often used for detergent dispensers, etc. today. They go bad a LOT, especially on Maytag Neptunes, and on Neptunes, they often affect the control board, blowing it out.
Anybody wanting an eyeful of what's going on with that machine should Google the phrase 'Maytag Neptune' or better yet, use my magic trick for discovering consumer complaints, and enter 'Maytag Neptune Horror'. Many consumer sites call consumer comments 'Horror Stories', so adding the word 'Horror' to a query brings up a lot of info very quickly. Works for almost every brand and model that has a significant history of trouble, not just Maytag. Works for other types of consumer goods too, like cars.
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Post# 40127-6/15/2004-10:36 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
From my research into what's going on at Maytag, they seem to be focused on a 'more sale per sale' approach for washing machines. The Neptune FL is about double the price of the commercial TL, and current Maytag management seems to want the extra $450 or so more than they want to protect the company's reputation for quality.
The main problems with FL Neptunes have been:
Heavy mold buildup inside the washer due to a poor door boot design (poor drainage provision). There is a retrofit kit (called a PHA kit) that is supposed to cure this problem, but I've seen quite a few consumer comments from people who have had the kit installed under warranty, and claim it has made little or no difference with the mold. Some consumers report that they've been told by Maytag that the mold is a 'cosmetic' problem. Some say they've been instructed to clean the boot frequently with soap and bleach, an intricate task.
Wax motor malfunctions that keep the door from locking properly; when this occurs, the machine won't spin and there are often control board issues that seem to be related.
A major resistor (labeled R11) that blows, disabling the control board, and a major triac (labeled Q8) that does the same thing. Some owners report multiple replacements on control boards and wax motors, costing hundreds of dollars each time.
Some handy, knowledgeable consumers have learned how to repair Neptune control boards themselves, using a triac with a higher value to keep the board from going out again. I've included a link below.
But it's sad. Maytag HAS a design that is proven to be durable. They evidently just don't want to sell it any more.
LINK: http://members.shaw.ca/gavb/
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Post# 40128-6/15/2004-11:30 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Of course they are not going to use their proven design. If they did then they could not sell more washing machines. As a Neptune owner myself I have had only one repair after over 4 years of heavy use and then there wasn't even a defective part. The hose from the recirculating pump clogged with lint. Therefore large comforters and blankets were not being thoroughly washed. So we cleaned out the lint and voila clean blankets again...oddly enough I seemed to know more about how my washer operated then the tech did.Go Figure! But needless to say I hold my breath every time I press that "Start" button.I wish Maytag would keep making their truly Dependable washers. But they are laughing themselves all the way to the bank selling washers like the Neptune's and their current top loaders. Oh well I am off my box Tide now.
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Post# 40129-6/15/2004-11:39 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (warranty)
MESSAGE: The dealer has a 60 day warranty in home, and lifetime for labor - you pay for parts. The catch is that you must bring the machine in to their shop. Which is a problem since these machines weigh 230 pounds or so. Still the 60 day period should let me see what could be wrong with the machine.
They are delivering it today, so tonight I will be testing it.
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Post# 40130-6/15/2004-11:53 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :)
MESSAGE: Nathan,
Congratulations on finding the Whirlpool. And what a wonderful husband you have. A picture of you and him with the washer would be great. I love to see the faces behind the names.
Greetz from the Netherlands,
Louis
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Post# 40131-6/15/2004-11:59 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
New Picture Album opened
MESSAGE: I just wanted to let you know that I opened a new picture album at webshots.com. For now I posted there pictures of my own washers and dryers. In this album it's easier to view the pictures full screen as it is with Yahoo.
Louis
LINK: http://community.webshots.com/user/foraloysius
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Post# 40132-6/15/2004-13:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened
MESSAGE: Louis,
Did you try the Applianceville Photo Viewer yet??
--Austin
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Post# 40133-6/15/2004-15:06 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Kleenmaid Pics (Kleenmaid KOOL!)
MESSAGE: Hi Jetcone,
Most of the machines here IE Hoover Simpson and Westinghouse, as far as I know are Australian Made/Designed, if not owned anymore.
These machines look like your compacts, but still go up to in some cases 9.5KG which is Bigger than Whirlpool, Maytag and Speed Queen/Kleenmaid, which max out at 7.5KG. (How usable that 9.5KG is I dont know)
Pretty much all machines sold here use the Puligitator mechanism, (Simpson, Hoover, Westinghouse) The Double Action, Whirlpool and Maytag. As far as I know, the only normal 270deg Washer left on the Market over here, is the Kleenmaid/Speedqueen.
I have been into the shop a few times, but everything is very expensive,(IE $2200AU for a TL washer, $1900 for a not so special dishwasher) and while the TL machines are based on a great design, we have a Kleenmaid Dishwasher, that I cant wait to replace with a Miele. Its been fixed many times, but it randomly will stop at a part of the cycle and not continue, stuff comes out dirty, and the baskets are very flimsy. (We turned it on a bedtime one night and it was still running in the middle of wash 8 hours later)
My Aunt has a Kleenmaid FL the same as the one on the website. Its been rebuilt under warranty twice in its 5 year life. Rebuilt means, new motor, new drum bearings, new inlet solinoid, new control board and new timer. The last rebuild she got a new cabinet as the old one was being eaten away by rust. That again was a $2000AU approx machine. Its out of warranty now and every day is a bonus so far.
Anywho, enough dribble
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.kleenmaid.com.au
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Post# 40134-6/15/2004-17:24 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Michael and I
MESSAGE: I've added a pic with us, to the Gallery. No Washing machine, but us on top of the Sydney Harbour Bridge this Year.
When we get someone to take a pic of us with the new machine, I will post :)
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=09@Michael%20and%20I%20-%20I'm%20the%20one%20on%20the%20right%20@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40135-6/15/2004-17:27 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Michael and I
MESSAGE: What an adorable couple you two make! :) And what a great vantage point for a picture. What is this about climbing a bridge?
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Post# 40136-6/15/2004-17:39 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
There is a company that does Bridgeclimbs over the Sydney Harbour Bridge. It costs about $150-$200AU and takes about 3 hours. We went this year when we went down to the Gay and Lesbian Mardi Grais for the first time. (It was an interesting experience)
The Company has to give 40% of the profit back to the Department of Transport to Maintain the Bridge. The Sydney Harbour Bridge was deamed to be End of Life in another few years, but with the money that can now be spent on it, it has a life span of about another 150 years.
You go up one side to the middle and back down the otherside. They provide excellent commentry the whole trip. The view is fantastic, you can see all of the Sydney CBD, The North Shore, Luna Park, and around into Darling Harbour. As you can see from the pic, the day we went was amazing.
Michael went again 3 days later with work, and it was Raining and Miserable. They only stop the runs if there is lightening. A group of 10 people goes up every 15 minutes from 8am until 8pm. Thats a lot of money.
Anywho, I've attached the bridgeclimb website for you to see.
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.bridgeclimb.com.au/
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Post# 40137-6/15/2004-17:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb)
MESSAGE: Thanks, that's such a cool bridge and I'm glad they can help preserve it whilst providing this enjoyable outlet for people.
What is that building with the series of pointy white tops to the left of you in the picture? I've seen that in pictures before and wondered what it was.
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Post# 40138-6/15/2004-17:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb - Sydney Opera House)
MESSAGE: Hi Scott,
Thats the Sydney Opera House.
Go to the link below, move your mouse over "About the House" and then click on "House History"
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.sydneyoperahouse.com/
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Post# 40139-6/15/2004-18:04 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Michael and I (Bridgeclimb - Sydney Opera House)
MESSAGE: Thanks Nathan, this is such fun! I've been perusing the bridge climb site and recommend others do too. That would be such fun to do!
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Post# 40140-6/15/2004-18:33 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Restoring the Whirlpool for years of usefull Life
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I found the link below, which shows most of the main parts for the Washer are still available. I'm wondering whether I should recondition now, while I can still get them, and hopefully ensure years of leak free quiet operation.
Can someone who knows about such things, have a look at the link below, and advise what I would need to recondition the Basket Drive, tub seals, spin shaft etc. Is it worthwhile replacing the Wig wag as a matter of course?
If I'm going to plan on Keeping it, I might as well do it right.
Thanks in Advance
Nathan
LINK: http://www.alliedappliance.com/scripts/part_search.php?view=m505&cat=Washing%20Machines>Miscellaneous>Malleys%20Whirlpool
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Post# 40141-6/15/2004-18:38 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Magic Clean
MESSAGE: Hi Again guys,
I know I've asked this question recently, but I'm confused as to how the round horn shaped Magic Clean works with a 2 port pump. Is there Forced Recirculation?
On mine, There is the coin trap on the bottom of the machine, this is directly connected to the inlet on the pump.
The Outlet of the pump is connected to the Magic Clean filter which is bolted on the back of the machine.
From here the Drain hose is connected to the Filter and then there are two hoses that connect the Filter to the side of the wash tub with a plastic Y connector.
How does the water get in here during wash? I'm having trouble seeing how this works.
Thanks
Nathan
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Post# 40142-6/15/2004-18:44 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
Suds Save
MESSAGE: Hi Again guys,
I know I'm writing lots, I apologize for monopolising the room.
My machine has Suds Return marked on the Dial, but underneath there is no diverter or multi ported pump.
Did all models of Whirlpool have a two hose suds save model?
Did all models with a Two hose suds save have a diverter valve (is this electric, because I cant see any wiring) or was it able to be done with the pump?
If I'm getting a new pump I want to know if I should replace it with another 2 port, or if a 3 port would give me suds return for completeness.
Your wealth of knowledge is appreciated. :)
Last but not least can you reccomend a good repair manual for the whirlpools.
Thanks guys
Nathan
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Post# 40143-6/15/2004-18:50 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Magic Clean
MESSAGE: Hey Nathan,
Great pics of all your "loved ones"! To answer your question, There is a check valve mounted to the left side of the outer tub. When the washer is agitating, the pump flapper reverses the flow of water up through the bottom of the pump protector and out this side valve into the top of the magic clean filter. When the washer shifts into neutral drain the water reverses direction and drains out the bottom of the tub through the pump , then backflushes the filter from the bottom and then out the drain hose. Does that make sense?
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Post# 40144-6/15/2004-18:55 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Suds Save
MESSAGE: hey again,
I think there were suds-saver models; not all w/p's came with them, although sometimes they had a setting marked on the dial. The diverter valve is electrically operated by a solenoid that would divert the wash water to an extra hose that you put into a deep external sink. I think the valve mounts to the back of the machine on the crossrail.
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Post# 40145-6/15/2004-19:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Magic Clean
MESSAGE: This does make sense I think :)
so the Flap on the 2 port pump doesnt seal the inlet port, it just changes which side of the pump is sucking?
Wouldnt that mean on a machine without the magic clean that it would suck water up the hose if there was any in the tub?
Just to clarify for my self, when the pump is in agitate position the outlet port is an inlet port and when the pump is in drain, the outlet port is an outlet port? :)
Is that correct?
Nathan
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Post# 40146-6/15/2004-19:07 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: Magic Clean
MESSAGE: Yes you are correct, but a pump does not suck or draw water out on it's own. When it is in agitate and you don't have a magic clean filter you also don't have a side check valve, so the water is just pushed back into the tub from the bottom tub outlet. Washer pumps do not suck water out. If you notice they are always mounted below the water source so gravity brings the water to the pump and pumps it up to the drain.
john
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Post# 40147-6/15/2004-19:17 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Thats very interesting but I don't see how the extra profit on the sale of the "Neptune" line will rebuild their quality.If they still had a "bulletproof" design like what they had before-they wouldn't have to worry.I repair circuit boards as part of my work and the Maytag ones see like expensive "throw-away" boards. Good folks are fixing them-and using higher rated parts(the Q6 triac)I'm sure Maytag doesn't like this --they can't sell them a new board.But kadoos to the smart owner there.I would feed the machine to the Krusher-or take it to the shooting range for target practice.The frequent repairs would make you want to do it in.After reading Epinions and this site-I do not want to buy or advise others to buy new Maytag products.Since they now own Hoover-seen a decline in quality of Hoover vacuum and cleaning products.Their bagless Windtunnel vac is a joke.Got one as a trade for a Tri-Star-put the machine in a giant garbage bag to keep its dust out of our car.Too the Windtunnel was blowing its dust it pick up all over the person's house.I saw alot about the Neptune odor and mold problems on Epinions.The Maytag folks also suggested to the owners NOT to use any liquid detergent in the machine.The Maytag's tech reason was-the liquid detergents contain animal based gelatins and emulsifiers-that they decomposed causing the odor.I wonder about that.Any liquid pooling for that long will do the odor.Later Neptune machin es had the PHA mod installed at the factory.The "cement mixer" tilt to the clothes drum doesn't help drainage either.Yes its too bad-at this point Maytag HAD a good design.They just don't want to use it and knowelegable consumers want it.
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Post# 40148-6/15/2004-19:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Arkansas hillbilly wants to know.... (Wax Motors, Maytags))
MESSAGE: Interesting-The "wax Motor" device could be replaced with a fluid damped relay-sounds like Maytag was using it for some sort of timne delay device.A fluid damped relay would be much more reliable-and just as cheap.Find them in fil to plate time delay circuits in various type of transmitters I work on.Like appliances I have found that transmitters that use the Electro--mechanical control systems are more reliable than the ones that use solid state and circuit board type control systems.This is a good example where the control circuits are LESS reliable then the device they control.BAD ENGINEERING!
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Post# 40149-6/15/2004-19:33 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: The dependable care design got cheapened as well. The crank & gear tranny was replaced with the orbital in 1990 I think. Those were a disaster because the agitator shaft froze up from water getting in to the tranny. They also changed the tub stem and seal kit. The agitator shaft seal used to be a seperate seal the was spring loaded and now it is part of the stem that screws down onto the threaded top of the tranny. I have seen 5 yr old dependable care machines leak water through the center seal, a little at first, then by the time someone notices the water has done it's damage. I have never much liked Maytag products anyway. They have diluted the name so much that it is laughable! Just my 2 cents!
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Post# 40150-6/15/2004-19:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag air conditioning-Amana)
MESSAGE: Sounds like that must be the case-since Maytag now owns Amana-they specialized in refrigeration products-it makes sense.The water heater sounds like a good machine-built by State Industries.At this point Maytag's HVAC and water heaters may be better than their laundry appliances.---go figure??
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Post# 40151-6/15/2004-19:55 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT:
RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :) (Dynamo Powder?)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, nice pictures. I didn't know that Kleenmaid is basically the same washer as the newer Speed Queens in the states. Furthermore, it's interesting that Dynamo has a powder version over there. In the states, it only comes in liquid (bright green jugs), to my knowledge.
Pete
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Post# 40152-6/15/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Thats too bad as well-I did see an older Maytag machine at the swap shop-I am kicking myself for not buying it-was the "center dial" model with the pushbuttons.I did have an early 90's model machine-must of had the drive system you described.I let it go when I sold the house. Guess the new homeower would had to deal with the leaking and seize ups.I liked older Maytag machines-the new ones I will stay away from for sure. Sounds like Neptunes could be rather expensive Krusher bait or expensive targets.
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Post# 40153-6/15/2004-20:03 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: A new Find from Curbside Pickup :) (Dynamo Powder?)
MESSAGE: Hi Pete,
We seem to have a few brands over here that have died in the US.
Dynamo, Omo, Coldpower, Radiant all come in Liquid and Powder form.
Fab, Surf are Powder Only.
They're all the main brands we have over here.
Coldpower is a new formula, that has 3 scents, to me they all smell the same (terrible) but it does produce suds.
Most other detergents here are all low/no sudsing at least in the washbowl. We regularly get suds comming out of the Trap outside the garage though when the machine drains. (This is a drop of about 5 meters below the washer)
Dynamo comes in two scents in the liquid form, Original, (Blue Jug, 1.5L) and Eucylyptus (Green Jug 1.5L)
Nathan
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Post# 40154-6/15/2004-20:21 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
You're right, the extra profit isn't going to do anything to offset what they're doing with quality. It's becoming a paradigm of what's wrong with American companies today, in my opinion. Management has killed good products, and introduced new ones that are not as good. Sales are now down, so some people are losing their jobs (Maytag is cutting 1100 of them), and others are being told that other cuts will be instituted (Maytag UAW workers are now on strike, because Maytag wants to cut their health benefits, claiming that this move is necessary for Maytag to remain competitive against foreign manufacturers). In the meantime, prices for a washer and dryer are way up. If the money isn't going into quality and employees, where IS it going? Hmmmm....
Scott Brown, the famous 'Appliance Samurai' on fixitnow.com, says that he hardly ever sees a Maytag appliance that has problems arising from a workmanship defect, only design errors- he says, 'you could say that they (FL Neptunes) are built perfectly wrong.' In my opinion, this is an example of management making poor decisions that they will never have to take responsibility for- the workers have done what they were told, and built what was designed, yet they're the ones who are losing jobs and being told to accept benefits cuts, because consumers are balking at buying machines widely considered to be trouble.
When will American business re-learn the simple truth- that people don't want problems out of their stuff? There is no amount of advertising, spin control, acquisition, merging, plant closure, layoff, cutting, contests, rebates, or anything else that can compensate for a really bad ownership experience.
My favourite appliance company- Whirlpool- isn't perfect, but most (not all!) of their products seem to be more conservatively designed than some others, and they do seem to make an effort to maintain a good relationship with as many consumers as possible. Parts availability is good for older models, service manuals are easy to get, and Whirlpool encourages owner repairs to a certain extent. That's more than I see with some other companies, who are promoting stuff that is higher-tech than the average consumer has any need for. If rich people want cantankerous electronic machines so that they can be 'with-it', more power to 'em. But I don't see why a single mom on a tight budget should be forced to deal with them when dependable technologies have existed for decades.
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Post# 40155-6/15/2004-21:59 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Danemodsandy:
Yes the problem is with the MANAGEMENT of the too big companies we have now.When Maytag Rif's (Lays off) these 1100 employees-how are they going to contribute to the US economy?They will have to collect unemployment instead.They can't buy any of the products the big dumb companies make.We seem to have a "dumbing down" of management.Yes I do wonder where that profit money is going???Certainly not into better appliance designs.In the Epinoins entries I have read about Maytag products-The local feild service rep gives up too becuase the Maytag company won't reimberse him for the work or parts on the customers machine.I have also seen scathing Epinions reveiews about Maytag fridges and stoves as well.The poor feild service rep (That 'Maytag' tech we hear about)throws up his hands after awhile. He is about to go under as well-no support from Maytag.
I won't buy new WP-KN products either-had bad experience from a DD KN series 80 washer.Traded it for a WP Imperial 90 that has to be at least 30years old.Works much better. Also have a KN BD DA machine with the early ratchet DA agitator.It too works great.Have also found bad reviews about some WP-KN products in Epinions.It seems ALL of the major appliance builders are faltering.Then we wonder why import machines sell so well?Lower prices and better quality.I wonder how long Maytag will stay afloat-a sinking ship?I am especially anxious to see the new Speed Queen machines when they are introduced in the fall-Bet they may sell like hotcakes to dissatisfied Maytag customers.Then LOTS of bad Maytag machines for that SSI Krusher shredder.If you look at their website-www.ssiworld.comGo to "watch it shred" click on "washer" Actually its a dryer the machines is shredding.It appears that the "condemmed" was a Norge Maytag product.More power to SQ.
I hope that Bad Quality product bug hasn't bitten the SQ folks.When I look on their Alliance Laundry products website-it appears they build a quality machine.Just hope their machines offered to consumers are the same quality.Yes-The single mom or family man just wants a simple-dependible machine that works every time for many years.And it has knobs that anyone can understand.You don't have to get out the thick telephone book sized operators manual to figure it out.and its electromechanical controls are easy and cheap to fix.Oh well--we are preaching to the choir.
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Post# 40156-6/15/2004-22:06 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: It just popped into my mind that I saw some time back on the SQ Commercial website that the commercial toploader has fill jets around the entire perimeter of the tub like a 1-18. I hope that feature appears on the home versions, and I hope they stick to the quality built product and consequently fare very well in the market.
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Post# 40157-6/15/2004-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage)
MESSAGE: Hey Louis, I'm glad you found a site to host all your pictures! It seems like its easy to use and with a couple of clicks you can see the picture full size, which is what Yahoo did away with. Fabulous.
If you get a chance, if you wouldn't mind, would you pick out some of your better vintage washer pictures and post some in your album here. The reason I'm asking is that a Major National Newspaper would like to do a story on the web site and our collections in the coming few weeks. It would be great to have some pictures from a European member(s) too. Over the weekend I'm going to work on the page that automagically lists all the albums and places a link to them from the main menu.
That goes for all you North American boys with vintage washers too! If you can, please take some pictures within the next week or so and post them to your Applianceville album.
Thanks guys, Clark Kent, Louis Lane and Jimmy Olson are watching!
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Post# 40158-6/15/2004-22:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: I am anxious to see them-hope there is a dealer here.They sound like they have potential.I might even buy one.I also like SQ machines besides WP-KN.the circular fill sounds very good-I too wish them well.-I am waiting...
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Post# 40159-6/15/2004-22:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: I was surprised how cheap the design was when I opened up my BOL Dependable Care. Very crude balance ring & tub suspension system, as well as the infamous "orbital" fast-agitating transmission. Maytag has really turned into a laughable brand in the past few years....
Btw, I just received a 1979 Consumer Reports magazine I bought on eBay (boy have they changed; I compared it to ones from 1998-2004), and while it's not a washer report, they do test vacuums, and I'll try to scan some of the pages in and post them in the photo viewer for everyone to see. Very interesting machines here...
--Austin
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Post# 40160-6/15/2004-22:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: I wonder if there's a SQ Commercial dealer in Houston. They do carry a "commercial homestyle" line which is basically a rebadged Amana machine without the fabric softener dispenser.
--Austin
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Post# 40161-6/15/2004-22:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Tonight I finished taking most of the machine apart and spent and hour and a half with towels and Bon-Ami to clean the surface rust off of the dishwasher tank’s interior. I was pleasantly surprised how well it came out considering how much rust was there to begin with. I was hoping most of it was just surface rust which would scrub away with lots of elbow-grease and sure enough it did.
More importantly I tested the water seal disk. The wash impeller is mounted on a bakelite base with a rubber seal ring. To seal the dishwasher tank and prevent water from running down its gravity drain, whenever the motor is turning there is a downward action with forces the rubber ring against the bottom of the sump sealing the off the drain. Its sort of like a rubber stopper in the bathtub. The downward action is caused by two weights attached to the motor shaft (below the tank) which are forced outward by centrifugal force. Its a marvelously primitive sealing system, but it still works 100%, not a drop of water escaped during my test! YAY.
Here are few shots from tonight’s work…
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=06@Nice%20Speckled%20Porcelain%20Tank@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40162-6/15/2004-22:59 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Speed Queen Suggestions)
MESSAGE: Scott:
That's my hope too- that Alliance will do such a good job with the 'New Speed Queen' that customers will flock to it in droves, and teach some other companies a lesson.
Alliance, all it really takes is top-loaders with belt-drive, a metal transmission, electromechanical controls, and that good old Speed Queen stainless-steel tub. And just three models, not a rug bazaar's worth of mind-numbing choices. A Good, a Better, and a Best- all honestly engineered and built to last. Make it four models- you need a stack washer, I guess.
GOOD- One-speed, two cycles- Heavy, Perma-Press.
BETTER- Two-speed, four cycles- Heavy, Perma-Press, Gentle/Knits, and Pre-Soak
BEST- Three-speed, six cycles- Heavy, Perma-Press, Gentle/Knits, Pre-Soak, Colored Cottons, and Extended Cold Wash.
STACK- Same as BETTER.
Variable water levels and temp selection on all, with bleach dispenser on BETTER and BEST, with softener dispenser optional on BETTER, standard on BEST.
Pan-style filter on all models.
No electronics!
A company that re-introduced a machine like that and stood behind it really well could OWN the washing machine business in this country. I could write ads all day long-
"You Depend On Us. We Depend On You. That's Why We Build Them The Way We Do." (Singing jingle, right?)
"Introducing the simple, honest, time-tested washer technology you've been waiting for- 1965's."
"We want our name seen in every laundry room in America, not waiting at the curb for pickup."
Alliance, here's your chance! P.S.- I guess turquoise is too much to ask for, huh?
Sandy
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Post# 40163-6/15/2004-23:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Great Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Uni,
They're great pics you've taken, you're very good at getting the best from an appliance :)
It was a timed fill on the Machine? how much water is in there? 5L, 10L?
I'm assuming the impeller comes through the whole in the middle of the plunger, how does that seal?
Hugs
Nathan :)
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Post# 40164-6/15/2004-23:06 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Dishamatic )
MESSAGE: Robert, you're amazing; How can it not leak with the rust holes present? Do you happen to have a Whirlpool LTA6700 (AO)
restore manual for Dummies, that you would loan out?
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Post# 40165-6/15/2004-23:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Look up the "Alliance Laundry" products website and it should be able to tell you if there is a SQ dealer in the Houston area-Since its a Metro area-I would think so.The nearest Alliance dealer to me is in Charlotte NC.Surprized there isn't one in Raleigh.You would think they would be glad to sell the unmetered machines to anyone that wants them.
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Post# 40166-6/15/2004-23:42 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Tolivac:
They can't, right now. There is some legal business between them and Amana, who used to own the Speed Queen trademark. The issues have just been cleared out of the way so that Alliance can use Speed Queen on home appliances starting in October.
For now, Alliance sells what they call a Commercial Homestyle washer and dryer; their website says its for 'unmetered commercial use', such as military housing, etc. The machine is there, just not the right to sell it retail yet. I'm including a link to the Alliance webpage that describes it; there is a PDF file that gives specs. It appears to be pretty much what I was talking about in my 'Speed Queen Suggestions' post, except that I have a feeling it might be direct-drive. What the heck, if it's well-built, it could still be a much better machine than others out there today.
At least it has mechanical controls. YAY.
LINK: http://www.speedqueen.com/route/products/ml_home.htm
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Post# 40167-6/15/2004-23:47 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Those machines look identical to the Aussie Kleenmaids, and they are still Belt driven.
Nathan
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Post# 40168-6/15/2004-23:49 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: I think it may have the traditional Speed Queen transmission, as the PDF shows a traditional (not corkscrew agitator) and mentions the long 210 degree stroke, which I believe is like the SQ's of old.
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Post# 40169-6/15/2004-23:53 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (TL SQ Circle Fill - cynical skepticism though)
MESSAGE: Let's hope they address the center seal issues as well. I've seen a few too many with oil sprayed all over the cabinet (see discussion on Maytag/GE ;-) to even bother picking them up any more. If it's not mechanical, it's cosmetic doom with the flaky crust coating on the top and lid... Time will tell.
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Post# 40170-6/15/2004-23:56 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage)
MESSAGE: I hope that Escalera battery gets here soon so I can "dress up" a bit before Clark and Jimmy get here...
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Post# 40171-6/16/2004-00:01 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Scott:
You mean we're talking belt-driven? Man, I wonder if I can afford some Alliance stock. I'm not kidding.
With a really smart ad campaign that stresses the traditional quality, and a service network that doesn't fool around, these people could be bigger than Microsoft.
They really should do some commercials that humourously compare some of today's 'too-special' machines to theirs- showing frazzled people punching at touchpads trying to make error codes go away, while the Speed Queen owner turns one simple dial and walks away- that sort of thing. I think a campaign like that would really hit a nerve out here.
All they gotta do is sell it smart, and service it right.
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Post# 40172-6/16/2004-00:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: What?? No videos?? ;-)
Is the motor shaft/impeller assembly on some sort of spring that raises it up when the motor shuts off? Very interesting and effective system, it doesn't seem to use much water and with only two fills it could rival some of the new models today. I wonder if they made a model with a pump?
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Post# 40173-6/16/2004-00:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Danemodsandy:
I looked at the link-indeed the homestyle unmetered machines are sold for commercial usage.They changed the site a little bit-the last time I saw it the unmetered machines were suggested for such users as military bases ,beauty salons,and barber shops,car washes.At this point the machines are marketed for commercial buyers.They are not aiming for the retail market-yet-As your previous link aritcle mentions in October.I am betting the machines will be sold thru a DEALER-not places like HD or Lowes Or Best Buy.In my area the dealer could be Greenville Appliance or Creeches Appliance.In reading spec sheet they mention 210 degree agitator stroke for both basic TL models.I don't beleive its possible to get that kind of long stroke with a DD transmission.I am betting the are belt drive.-Just like the good ole days.Too bad they don't have the overflow rinse.They don't say what the outer tub is made of.Would like to know.Hope its SS like the inner one.I too-like the simple mechanical controls.AS you would say --YAH The more I look at these the more I like 'em.Got potential-just have to wait until October to get one.Like the AWS45 model-the 8 cycles.The agitator is similar to a WP surgilator.The AWS04 has the traditional straight bladed SQ agitator.It has fewer cycles.The tank capacity on both was the same.If we were commercial customers we could buy one.-Ie ran a business.I am willing to wait though.This could be a breakthru-watch out Maytag!!
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Post# 40174-6/16/2004-02:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
The Kleenmaids here have a Grey Porcelain Enamel outer tub like on the old belt drives.
If you have a look at the kleenmaid site, the info on there is almost a cut and a paste from www.speedqueen.com.
Nathan
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Post# 40175-6/16/2004-02:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Michael and I (Sydney Opera House)
MESSAGE: Wow, Scott, I'm surprised you didn't know that is the Sydney Opera House. It's as much of an "icon" for Sydney as the Golden Gate Bridge is for San Francisco, the (late) World Trade Center for New York, or the Space Needle for Seattle. The kind of shot filmmakers use to place a city without actually having to use a subtitle. Here in Los Angeles, our "icons" in movies and TV tend to be either the "Hollywood" sign, or the "spider" building at L.A. International Airport.
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Post# 40176-6/16/2004-03:05 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Restoring the Whirlpool for years of usefull Life (wig wag)
MESSAGE: I personally wouldn't replace the wig wag, they virtually NEVER fail (mine actually did, but my machne has had 27 years of heavy, constant use, so the spin solenoid actually died), and used ones abound, since most machines are scrapped with good wig wags in them. In all my years of dealing with KM/WP machines, the number one ailment is seized pumps. Usually by the time the third pump dies, the machine's is old enough that most people feel it's time to get a new washer, even though pumps are relatively inexpensive and easy to replace.
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Post# 40177-6/16/2004-05:24 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: I own Maytag built products,although my newest one is a mid 80's stove. Also own some of their stock,which gives me an inside on some of the goings on at the company.I think they're trying to branch out and satisfy everyone,instead of being a higher end product,which they were successful at for many years.
Concerning Whirlpool,I won't own their products,although I think they have some of the best quality around. Where my wife works,one of the things they make is wiring harnesses for appliances. Whirlpool USED to be one of the biggest customers,til they took the work to Mexico a few years ago.They still bring in some design and test work,so the people in the US can work out the bugs. Then it's off to Juarez....
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Post# 40178-6/16/2004-06:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Robert and others,
I wasted no time and uploaded pictures of my entire collection. I was a little naughty, there are two of my not yet vintage laundry area too ;-) The link leads to the pictures.
Louis
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/FORALOYSIUS/
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Post# 40179-6/16/2004-06:52 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Michael and I
MESSAGE: Thanks Nathan for the picture, you make a great couple. I can't believe you responded so quickly to my cheeky request! Anyway I added a picture of myself to my pictures. It's taken in a very familiar basement, I thought the picture was appropriate. I haven't changed much since.
Louis
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Post# 40180-6/16/2004-08:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Great Pics)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, yes its a time fill machine, very primitive. It uses 1.5 gallons or 5.6 liters per fill with only one wash and one rinse for a total of 3 gallons or 11 liters!
The bottom is sealed with a big rubber gasket, but I'm going to replace it with heavy coating of fresh silicone to prevent anymore rust from forming in the bottom of the sump.
By the way, very nice picture of you two. Thanks for posting it, it always nice to put a face to the words!
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Post# 40181-6/16/2004-08:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Dishamatic )
MESSAGE: Hi Darrel, if you look closely the seal it is on the porcelain above the rust line. Once the plunger seal is raised, it sure would leak onto the motor until all the water has run out of the drain. So tonight I'm going to seal all that up.
I would suggest getting the Repair Master book for the Belt-Drive Whirlpool, that should cover most repairs necessary for your LTA6700. They show up on eBay quite often.
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Post# 40182-6/16/2004-08:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, you are exactly correct, the shaft assembly sits on a BIG spring that raises it up when the motor stops spinning. I have no information what so ever on the Apex Dish-A-Matic so I don't know what other models were made. It only uses three gallons of water per cycle, but I supsect it doesn't use those three gallons very well. None-the-less I'm extremely happy to have this very rare dishwasher in the collection.
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Post# 40183-6/16/2004-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, those are wonderful pictures! YAY, thank you so much for posting them. My favorite is the last one of you at our first convention.
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Post# 40184-6/16/2004-09:53 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT:
June 16 POD
MESSAGE: Todays POD, simply the best, IMHO.
Looking for GE 1050X Filter Flo.
Hope summer leads to great appliance finds for all.
MK in LBC
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Post# 40185-6/16/2004-10:46 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Fond memories Robert, very fond memories!
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Post# 40186-6/16/2004-11:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Great pictures! The UK has such cute machines, especially your Velo and Miele/AEG H-axis compact TL's.
--Austin
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Post# 40187-6/16/2004-15:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: I've uploaded a few photos of my basement collection, it changes constantly, a few planned for this week so I'll try to update them whenever necessary. 23 machines in the basement, more in the garage, shed and storage unit...
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Post# 40188-6/16/2004-15:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Thank you Austin. Those little toploaders are my favourites too. The AEG can spin, the Miele not so you have to use a separate spindryer with it. The AEG is on casters with springs, it doesn't have a suspension so when it spins it performs a little dance because the whole machine shakes instead of the inside!! BTW, I'm in the Netherlands, not in the UK.
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Post# 40189-6/16/2004-15:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: Ohhhh, the link...
Yes, here it is then -
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=01@WO-65%20Washer%201950%20%20TR-60%20Filtra-Matic%20Dryer%201952@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 40190-6/16/2004-15:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Love that Hoover Keymatic - what a great find that was! I know someone has asked this before, but were appliances typically not available in colors until later in Europe? Until 70's brochures and pictures, I haven't seen a lot of color...
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Post# 40191-6/16/2004-15:50 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Appliances only came in white in the 50's and 60's as far as I remember. The only brand that had washers and dryers in color was Asko. I think they were called Asea back then in the seventies. Some other brands followed, especially brown was a favourite color. But most people still bought white. Colors became never as popular as in the US.
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Post# 40192-6/16/2004-15:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: Wonderful machines, wonderful presentation and wonderful pictures!!! That 1954 Speed Queen set is still my favourite.
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Post# 40193-6/16/2004-18:04 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Collection Pictures Uploaded )
MESSAGE: Hi Greg,
Real nice family of washers
By the way what is (auto call) - can I assume it is for end of cycle reminder?
Best Wishes
Peter
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Post# 40194-6/16/2004-18:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: How high does the Keymatic fill? The reason I ask is because it must need a lot of water for the pulsator to work effectively.
--Austin
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Post# 40195-6/16/2004-18:55 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Ooooo! Ohhhhh! Ooooo!)
MESSAGE: Ooooo!Look at the Frigidaires! Ohhhh! lookat the Maytags! Oooo!Lookat the Mixmasters!Ooooooo! Ohhhhhh! Oooooo! Owwwww!Ahhhh! Eeeeee! Wowwwww!
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Post# 40196-6/16/2004-19:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded
MESSAGE: Great collection pics! Love the WI-57 Control Tower! Those Hetties really look out of place in that retro basement...
--Austin
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Post# 40197-6/16/2004-19:10 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Not good with WP contracting the appliance wiring to Mexico.Sounds like they are trying to "develop" Mexico into a manufacturing country-lots of luck.They are not geared for that.With that I won't get anymore NEW WP products.Sounds like Maytag's idea of "trying to appeal" to everybody isn't working so good.Liked it best when they were a high-end dealer supported product.I guess those days are gone.With them-will shop for vintage Maytag products.
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Post# 40198-6/16/2004-19:14 ||| richm (Central MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Sorry I haven't written in a long time but wanted to provide some info I've found out re: Maytag, especially in light of the recent postings. I have a Neptune (less than 5 years old, paid $1,000 brand new) that has had 2 repairs....cost me $279 last August to replace a burnt out control board (went up in smoke) and then about a month or so ago it started smoking again near the base of the unit....This repair was over $400 to replace both the motor and a second control board. I went up the line (respectfully) and finally reached the person who could help me...Maytag paid for the repair in full....
So here's some info I want to share that I've learned. Maytag invested millions in the Neptune technology, they now have NO OPTION except to make it work. They will have to continue to work it out till it works right. Also re: the Dependable Care line, unfortunately they are up against the energy savings issue. The dependable care models do not meet the requirements, it's as simple as that. They would LOVE to keep selling them, the technology is old and paid for, any they sell is all gravy for them!
Finally, as much as those of us here believe in quality, the modern consumer won't pay for it. It's unfortunately a throw away society. Case in point, I paid $450 for my first new Maytag TL 24 years ago and it was middle of the line. You can buy a brand new washer today with many more features for the same (or less) price. So as much as we like to complain, the manufacturers don't have the luxury of selling a washer today at the price it would take to deliver the former level of quality or meet today's energy standards.
Wish I could make it sound better, but that's what we're up against. So we need to just keep collecting those oldies but goodies!
Hope you have a great day!
ps...I recently found a new (old) Frigidaire 1-18 (THANKS GREGM!!!) like the one i owned almost 30 years ago. So exciting! Can't wait to hook it up. But now I have to find an even older one!
Rich
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Post# 40199-6/16/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hope the SQ machines to be sold here in the fall still have the porcelean outer tubs.It would then be the ONLY new machine worth buying.Looked at the Keenmaid site-they even mentioned that their washers were built by SQ.Come to think of it-at the US Governement site where I work-they to have a SQ washer that was acquired thru General Services Adminstration.It was built when SQ was owned by Ratheon.GSA is the govt agency here that supplies products and supplies to Govt agencies.Just so happens they provide SQ appliances.-these would be for Govt agency use.Sort of commercial-institutional usage.The machine here has the standard SQ agitator and procelean steel tub.Is Kleenmaid a major appliance builder supplier in your area?Noticed they also have vacuum cleaners.Looks likey are built by a German Vac cleaner company called Sebo.Have a Sebo upright in my collection-came from a Kirby trade in.I sell Tri-Star vacuum cleaning systems in my area on my weekends.Some trade-ins get added to my collection.The Kleenmaid washer you rescued from the garbage pickup looks like the SQ's we see araound here.Lots of luck with it.Looks like a nice machine.You never know what people throw out.
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Post# 40200-6/16/2004-19:29 ||| rileysteve (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Pictures)
MESSAGE: Those early 50's Frigidaires bring back fond childhood memories. Many of our neighbors here in Atlanta had those. Thanks for the great pictures!
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Post# 40201-6/16/2004-19:30 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Hello Louis, Great photos very interesting machines. I would like to see a video of the Miele automatic 400 in action! Nice Lavamat and Velo, and that Keymatic is way cool!!!Great collection! See ya!
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Post# 40202-6/16/2004-19:34 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis,
Real Great picture set
I hope you are doing well
Peter
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Post# 40203-6/16/2004-19:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
Monitor Model 46 Restoration
MESSAGE: Today the much-anticipated arrival of the Monitor Model 46 finally came, but unfortunately I'll probably be using the GE for the kitchen loads the next two weeks... After unpacking the machine, the outside looked halfway decent, but the inside of the tub as another story. The bottom of the tub (as well as the drain screen) was covered with this yucky caked-on rotten-smelling yellow gunk, which looked like dirt, soap, thread, grease, and whatever schmutz that didn't get cleaned out after the last load 40 years ago. There were also buttons, pins, and a paper clip stuck in the bottom of the tub as well. YUK! After taking the wheels and wringer off for powdercoating, I realized that this had a drain pump (After it's cleaned, painted, and re-assembled I'll post some pictures of this strange setup). If there's a small lever on the right of the belt guard, then it's a pump-equipped model. I plugged it in and surprisingly, the impeller ran well. I didn't try the pump because it's wheel-driven (which can be un-reliable), and the pump appeared to be frozen. I went ahead and disassembled everything, (as well as cleaned out the drain hose, pump engagement springs, and other parts) which allowed me to remove the pump, un-freeze and clean it, and wash the tub out. The gunk washed right down the drain, so hopefully tomorrow I'll take the parts in for a much-needed paint job. The remaining work is to center the motor and agitator pulleys, grease the agitator bearing, clean up the wringer, oil the pump & motor, and re-assemble it (somewhat challenging since this uses an electric pump). The maiden load isn't too far ahead!
The full-sized machine seems much newer, as the impeller looks different, it was mfr'd in Ohio by the G.M. Gibson Company, (other machine was made in NY), and it has the electric drain pump.
--Austin
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Post# 40204-6/16/2004-19:47 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
Kleenmaid in Australia is very expensive and other than with the TL washers, a lot of people arent finding that they get what they pay for.
Why Spend $2000 on a could've come from anywhere Kleenmaid FL when you can get a Miele for the same price.
A lot of Australians stick with Domestic Brands for Fridges, IE Westinghouse, Kelvinator, Fisher & Paykel, LG are all the main sellers.
American styled Fridges arent that common, IE Maytag, Whirlpool GE, Kleenmaid etc.
WIth Dishwashers Domestic and European Brands reign supreme, Dishlex/Electrolux, Simpson, F&P, Whirlpool (German Design), Asko, Miele.
Dryers are mainly Simpson, Hoover, Westinghouse and F&P and they look like what Americans call Compact Dryers. Maytag and Kleenmaid are the only ones that make the normal size dryers that you're used to in the US.
When you look at those main areas Kleenmaid really doesnt break into any of them at all very well.
SO the short answer is, that their stuff isnt really that common. If it was more affordable it probably would be.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40205-6/16/2004-19:47 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (WP)
MESSAGE: In their defense, remember that Whirlpool is a "world" appliance company, second largest in the world after Electrolux, and much more so than Maytag. So if WP, Maytag, Electrolux, or anyone else they can find a place cheaper to make something, they will. Even Mexico is losing out to China these days. I think it's human nature. As soon as a certain standard of living is reached, people feel it's "below" them to work in a "factory", or they want more money or benefits to do that kind of work, no matter what country it is. So then it just moves to the next poor country where people are desperate. And there's a LOT of poor countries to go to yet. And we've become such a "throwaway" society, everybody wants NEW and CHEAP, not OLD and QUALITY. Even our "poor" people here look down on repaired, used appliances, the'd rather wait for NEW, crappy stuff. And the art of repairing stuff is looked down upon, too, as "manual labor". Only people who really LIKE repairing things are getting into the business.
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Post# 40206-6/16/2004-19:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Don't make me beg)
MESSAGE: Ohh, Greg those pictures are just beautiful! Your basement looks so wonderful! I like the Control Tower next to the '55 set. What's over along the gray wall where the Control Tower used to be???
I've updated the collections link page with any members album I see with nice pictures of their vintage washers, dryers, dishwashers or other appliances. Come guys and gals how about some more albums added to the add to the Collections link page!
P l e a s e!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS.htm
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Post# 40207-6/16/2004-19:58 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL-maytag)
MESSAGE: Remember a few years back,before Maytag bought Amana? The higher end units were sold under the Maytag,and Jenn-Air brand.The units built the "normal" folks were Admiral/Norge,and Magic Chef. Still good quality units,but you knew you were buying lower end.Worked out good.
Now,with all the different washers having the Maytag name on 'em,you gotta know which one you're buying,whether it's Dependable Care,or something else.I don't think the average consumer knows the difference,except the price.
kenny GF
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Post# 40208-6/16/2004-20:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Apex hot water system
MESSAGE: So if the heater tank was disconnected, sounds like at some point it was used like a modern dishwasher, just using hot water straight from the hot water supply line. But as originally designed, I wonder if the heater was supplied with already hot water from the supply line or if it started with cold water and did all it's own heating?
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Post# 40209-6/16/2004-20:03 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (WP)
MESSAGE: I guess I can't fault Whirlpool alone,GE was another large customer who took a lot of wiring harness work to Mexico.It caused the company,at the time International Wire,to close a few plants in Iowa,and Ohio,and put 3-400 people out of work.They even closed a local plant that long timers said they would never close,because it's where one of the companies started.
And the world keeps turning....
kennyGF
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Post# 40210-6/16/2004-20:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Don't make me beg)
MESSAGE: Thanks - thank goodness for photo editing tools, you can trim out the icky parts! Here is a picture of the end wall where the control tower was before. I took out the closet on the left side of the room to make room for three more washers and the pair of Maytags where only one washer used to be. I'm still going to put in some shelves and a rounded edge metal cabinet unit I found at Menards above the three new spaces, but it did make the room much larger and feel much less like a hallway.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=19@North%20Laundry%20Room@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 40211-6/16/2004-20:11 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT:
RE: Collection Pictures Uploaded (Collection Pictures Uploaded )
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thank you for uploading - more wonderful things to check out
Peter
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Post# 40212-6/16/2004-20:39 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
'61Frig multi and '51Frig uni fixed
MESSAGE: Well thanks to Robert (unimatic1140) and Greg (gansky1) who both told me how to fix first my '61 Frigidaire multi-matic which was operating in "super-speed" agitation (not a pulsamatic) due to a stuck clutch in the "spin" position. So Robert tried hammering it free last winter during a MA visit to "jetcone's" and it would not budge and I tried to give it a go a couple nights ago and it freed up just fine without my having to do any disassembly, YAY !!, the machine works perfectly now. I washed several loads through it this evening. Secondly, I posted a few weeks ago about my '51 Unimatic whining noticeably but subtlely during agitation and spin and I was able to put the machine on its side and put literally one or two drops of oil where Greg (sent me a pic) told me to do so. The "whine" is gone and that machine runs perfectly. Two very easy minor fixes, I cannot thank you guys enough for your help. I thank anyone else in here who has offered that simple tip which makes ALL the difference to those far less experienced like myself in fixing vintage machines. -gregm
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Post# 40213-6/16/2004-20:47 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (doesn't use much water)
MESSAGE: looking at the water line ......... those old "impeller" type DW's did not use or fill nearly as much as the later "spray" arm type models correct ?? uuummm, so they were more "water-efficient"?
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Post# 40214-6/16/2004-20:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
great pics to all who have posted
MESSAGE: Great pics to all who have recently uploaded and posted there items. I have already seen some before, but was just as much of a pleasure to look at again :)
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Post# 40215-6/16/2004-21:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (WP)
MESSAGE: That is true-the contracting out is increasing-the thing I wonder about is what sort of jobs are going to replace the industrial jobs that are lost?-There just isn't enough hi-tec jobs to go around-as well some folks don't want to do that kind of work.Service job salaries are too low-its expensive to live here.Soon no one will be buying the even cheap machines.-no income or job.Quality of workmanship varies among the Chinese and Mexicans-Could be very good or very bad-I think as well the Big companies don't supervise the Mexican or chinese contractors well enough.Its true most folks want "dumpster" products.Like the "plastic GE washers that only last a few years-then go to the krusher.Same with vacuums-many Dirt Devils and cheap Hoovers(note that Hoover is now a Maytag product)On many of these new products-not much to repair.I guess we are an exception-we appreciate and seek out quality appliances-new or old.
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Post# 40216-6/16/2004-21:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL-maytag)
MESSAGE: Yes-could remember and as you mentioned-they had their own names.Now-with Maytag on any of those-you have to be savy to know the diffrence.Of course-most customers don't care-They will just go to the store and say "Give me your cheapest Maytag" and that is that.The guy pays his money end of the game-(probably was bought at a "big box" store to top it off)Its like the cusumer doesn't want to know what is behind the cabinet-he just wants a washer or whatever at the cheapest price.I've even seen this from consumers who could afford to buy the best but still buy the cheaper unit.Yet they drive their Mercedes SUV to and from the store-with the cheap washer in it.Magic Chef was considered a "builders brand" for many years-Usualy stoves and ranges.Find them in apartment buildings at one time.Wasn't years and years ago Magic Chef was a deluxe brand like Hotpoint-now Hotpoint is like a builders brand of GE.Roper to WP.
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Post# 40217-6/16/2004-22:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (doesn't use much water)
MESSAGE: How do the impeller dishwashers work?
--Austin
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Post# 40218-6/16/2004-22:18 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (doesn't use much water)
MESSAGE: Instead of a recirculating pump and spray arm system, they use a fast-spinning impeller set down in the sump area, kind of like a fan blade or an impeller one would find on a boat engine, to spray water up onto the dishes. The impeller is covered by a protective screen or grille, but small objects could sometimes still get through. Not uncommon to have a mangled piece of silverware and a chipped impeller.
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Post# 40219-6/16/2004-22:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (doesn't use much water)
MESSAGE: And that explains why the impeller on the Apex runs dry after the top pops open to dry the dishes.
--Austin
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Post# 40220-6/16/2004-22:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Tonight I patched the holes in the sump. I used two part Plumbers Epoxy that you can get at any hardware store or Home Depot, etc. You knead Part-A and Part-B together to form a clay like mound, then you apply to the surface you want to seal. Overnight it will dry rock hard and should be watertight for years to come (I hope).
The latest picture in the Apex Dish-A-Matic Restoration Saga...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=10@2-Part%20Plumbers%20Epoxy%20has%20worked%20wonders%20for%20me@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40221-6/16/2004-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Apex hot water system
MESSAGE: I don't know for sure, but it appears that it was connected to the hot water system, otherwise the incoming cold water water would significantly cool down the water temp for the rinse. I'm sure it takes a while for the tank to heat the water since its only a 120 volt machine.
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Post# 40222-6/16/2004-22:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (impeller machines)
MESSAGE: Yes, impeller machines continue to run during the dry cycle, the heating element and the motor are always on at the same time. The earlytop loading impeller machines would pop the lid during the dry cycle, the later ones didn't.
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Post# 40223-6/16/2004-23:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (impeller machines)
MESSAGE: Any many of the early impeller dishwashers didn't have heating elements either, such as this Apex or the Youngstown. When the lid pops up during the dry cycle, the dishes would dry rapidly if the water was hot enough to quickly evaporate.
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Post# 40224-6/16/2004-23:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: my new filter flo (Maytag Discontinuing Commercial TL SQ Circle Fill)
MESSAGE: Then it sounds like KleenMaid is a TOL brand.Sounds like in FL machines the Miele is better than the KleenMaid.There is a FP dealer here in Greenville,NC.Greenville Appliance sells the Dishdrawers and the Smartdrive TL washers and Dryer set.In fact a neighbor that lives several houses from me bought a FP washer-dryer set.He has them in his garage.Saw them being selivored a few years ago.That's interesting the SQ style machines aren't common in your area.They are not very common in my immiediate area.They were common in the Wash DC area.Used two types of them in apartment laudramats.In 1973 the building had blue colored SQ washer dryers and the washers had overflow rinse-they were really cool.At that time SQ was owned by McGraw Edisen.Later they got Speed Queens again-but it was when they were owned by Ratheon.Liked the older models better.The newer ones worked well though compared to whats available from other makers today.
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Post# 40225-6/16/2004-23:44 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: I don't know exactly how high it fills, but it has been discussed here before and it seems that when it fills the drum tilts a little backward. I don't know if the pulsator disappears under the water level. I could imagine that it would also work when it's not totally under the water level.
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Post# 40226-6/16/2004-23:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Thanks! If I ever get a video camera, I sure will make a movie of it. I'm not sure if it wouldn't be a little boring though, it does six rinses!
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Post# 40227-6/16/2004-23:49 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: New Picture Album opened (More National Coverage, Pictures uploaded)
MESSAGE: Thanks Peter,
I'm doing well, hope you do too!
Louis
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Post# 40228-6/16/2004-23:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT:
RE: great pics to all who have posted
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, are you going to upload some of your pictures too? It would be nice to see your favourite appliances here as well!
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Post# 40229-6/17/2004-00:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Now that's a hole and a half! Did you epoxy over the inside of the sump as well?
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Post# 40230-6/17/2004-00:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (impeller machines)
MESSAGE: Not all impeller machines ran through the dry cycle, my grandmother's GE top-load just baked the dishes with the element, no impeller/fan action.
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Post# 40231-6/17/2004-00:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT:
RE: '61Frig multi and '51Frig uni fixed
MESSAGE: Excellent work Greg - glad you got them humming along!
Now work can start on the beautiful '56 Bendix Duomatic...
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Post# 40232-6/17/2004-01:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (impeller machines)
MESSAGE: Yep, and in the case of the Apex, the 180 degree water in the rinse would help elminate the need for a drying element.
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Post# 40233-6/17/2004-01:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT:
Tolivac's Hotpoint parts
MESSAGE: So how goes your search for your "unique" Hotpoint cooktop coils?
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Post# 40234-6/17/2004-01:24 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT:
Aussie Whirlpool's tub ring
MESSAGE: I just noticed another detail in brisnat81's photo gallery, that the Whirlpool has a different tub ring than its U.S. kin.
Much fun to see! The machine is familiar . . . but different.
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Post# 40235-6/17/2004-01:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT:
RE: Tolivac's Hotpoint parts
MESSAGE: Need to look on the coils for the part#.I forgot to today.Thanks for the reminder.Your entry reminded me.
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Post# 40236-6/17/2004-03:53 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT:
RE: Aussie Whirlpool's tub ring (Tub Ring)
MESSAGE: Hi DADoES
The smaller capacity one has the 1" or so High tub ring, and the late 70's ones my grand parents had that were large capacity had the 1" tub ring.
The tub on this one compared to the smaller one is about 3" deeper. My thought was they increased capacity by shrinking the tub ring and lengthening the bowl.
The low water level on this is about half-3/4 full. High is about 1/2" off the top of the tub. But there is very little splash.
I rang a parts store today to get a new pump and a few other bits. I told her what I wanted, and she told me she'd have to see it. I got down there and she decided she had one similiar but not the same, and she was going to ring her supplier and get back to me. GRRRR
If she doesnt come through tommorow I'll ring elsewhere. This woman didnt even know what a current model whirlpool drain hose was like. (The Current rubber hose is rock hard) She seemed too old to be dumb, but she wasnt very helpful.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40237-6/17/2004-07:13 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: The first picture showing the rust holes, I find it interesting that the long-narrow, hole on the left has a definitive oval shape to it like it is suppose to be there?, to the right you can see how the rust has simply eaten through, but to the left it looks like a "split" ??
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Post# 40238-6/17/2004-07:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: great pics to all who have posted
MESSAGE: thank you and yes, I hope to soon :)
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Post# 40239-6/17/2004-08:02 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
photos uploaded
MESSAGE: Hi All.
Here are some photos in my new album.
The new system is great, Robert, a credit to you. It uploads way faster than with Yahoo, I don't understand why but it's fantastic.
A couple of questions/suggestions:
1. Can we have albums within albums as with Yahoo?
I'd like to have separate albums for each brand of machine if possible.
2. A "back to Applianceville" button would help when finished uploading. I tried to use my back button, got alternating "this page has expired" message and the upload page.
3. Would it be possible to have a box to put text to go with the photo? Sometimes there is a story to suit a photo, or an explanation, more than just a title.
When the photo is displayed (someone else is looking at the photo), there would be a button "click here for more info", which would bring up the text.
4. In member profiles, could there be a link to each member's album?
Congrats on the improvement, Robert. Your system beats Yahoo hands down.
Chris.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO/
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Post# 40240-6/17/2004-08:29 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT:
recent finds
MESSAGE: None of these will be coming home to live with with me, but...
Yeasterday I had a big day out, visited a second hand shop in Colac and recycle centre in Geelong. Interesting stuff in both...
Colac -Malleys Whirlpool, silver dashboard with black markings, white surgilator with agitator mounted "splash up" lint filter. (has it got a proper name?) Very good condition, for sale just as a used washer (not collectors item) at $150.
Also a GE 600N (by Hitachi) in neat good condition with the usual cracked lid.
Geelong - Later model Malleys Whirlpool, woodgrain dashboard, more options (2 speed motor), recirculating lint filter with slide out filter at top of bowl. untidy condition but appears all there. No paint on lid, just bare aluminium.
Also a dirty but complete Hoover 720 (Blackstone design, with plastic outer tub, electric pump, no lint filter.) Also several Simpsons of some interest, including a very clean 144 (full size), a couple of Delta 10's (4kg) and a Minimatic (3kg). These Simpsons all use the same mechanicals, designed for the 6 or 7 kg 144 and 244's, so very understressed and reliable in the smaller machines.
Funny story - Yesterday when I went to get the newspapers, the local shopkeeper called me back to see the family washing machine, a F&P Smart Drive Excellence, about 5yo. The Wife had washed her horse blankets, the machine had got to final spin when the pump jammed up with horse hair and filth. Husband had several unkind things to say about wife. We removed the pump, allowed an avalanche of filthy stinky water, horse hair and blanket fibres to escape. Replaced pump, washed out tub, ran an empty cycle, washer is fine.
I suggested a bulletproof old washer in the garage to wash horse gear in future, He agrees, so I will check out the recycle centre again tomorrow. (I am going to Melbourne to visit my Dad in hospital, he has just had a knee replacement. Recycle centre is on the way) I think that old Whirlpool will have a new home. Or maybe the Hoover... I have a brilliant idea. I can convince all my horsey neighbours to get a vintage machine, which I can put in their garage. Naturally I will have to check up on (= play with)their machines regularly...
Chris.
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Post# 40241-6/17/2004-08:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE:
Did you epoxy over the inside of the sump as well?
Hi Greg, I cannot because the cast iron motor mount sits flush with the edge of the bottom of the sump, so I'm going to use a very heavy coating of silicone for that. Stay tuned, more to come.
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Post# 40242-6/17/2004-08:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Aussie Whirlpool's tub ring (Thinner Tub Ring)
MESSAGE: I noticed that too the other day Glenn. Everyone should go back and look at Nathan's Whirlpool washer, the tub ring is completely different than our American or Canadian versions. In wonder what else is different???
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=02@The%20Whirlpool%20in%20the%20Middle%20of%20Spin@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81
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Post# 40243-6/17/2004-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, the big round hole is suppose to be there. It's the drain hole where standard plumbing pipe fittings are inserted. I've went to Home Depot and have fresh pipes and fittings to install install there tonight.
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Post# 40244-6/17/2004-08:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
RE: photos uploaded
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
First of all thanks for uploading some Photos! Your semi-automatic Frigidaire Pulsamatic still amazes me and seeing it full size is even better. Someday I hope to see it in person along with a seeing a Keymatic too. I just add your link to the "Photos of Collections" page.
As for your suggestions they are all great I can do #2 right away. I will look into doing #4 and see how much work would be involved.
The others are great suggestions too, but they all would be a major re-programming undertaking. I will put those in the wish list file and will look into possibly doing them at some point in the future. I have some other improvements to the site I would like to work on first.
ps. Hey how about an interior shot of that Frigidaire sometime. :)
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS.htm
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Post# 40245-6/17/2004-09:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT:
Pictures uploaded
MESSAGE: Here's pics of my 1977 Lady K Portable washer.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/JASONL/
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Post# 40246-6/17/2004-11:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT:
RE: Pictures uploaded
MESSAGE: Very interesting that your machine has the "twist & pull" lint filter that seems to be uncommon on most BD Portables. The only other machine I saw this on was a 1970's-80's Whirlpool Convertible (with 2-piece lid) at A-1 Appliances in Houston.
--Austin
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Post# 40247-6/17/2004-11:36 ||| Lacyleeeasy (Cortez, Colorado)
SUBJECT:
1912 Easy Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,
I am new to this site, and just purchased a 1912 easy washing machine with a copper tub can anyone tell me anything about it? All information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
LacyLee
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Post# 40248-6/17/2004-11:42 ||| Lacyleeeasy (Cortez, Colorado)
SUBJECT:
1912 Easy Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Hi Everyone,
I am new to this site, and just purchased a 1912 easy washing machine with a copper tub can anyone tell me anything about it? All information would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
LacyLee
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Post# 40249-6/17/2004-12:35 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for all the great photos. What I think is so ironic is the Youngstown dishwasher and the Apex were (I think) about the only dishwashers from that time with onboard water heaters. If I recall correctly, they were both very poorly rated by the consumer reports article you posted some time ago on dishwashers from that era.
We had a Youngstown dishwasher when I was a little kid. I remember the cool water patterns on the glass window as it washed. I was forever starting the machine and climbing on the counter to watch it. When it was finsihed the lid did pop open to let out all the steam. It did get hot in there.
To this day my mother says that was the worst dishwasher she ever had. We went from that to a kitchen aid and that's where she's been ever since.
Will we get to see this beauty in action when your work is finished?
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Post# 40250-6/17/2004-13:16 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump(performance))
MESSAGE: You needed very hot water, preferably 150 degrees min. to get the dishes clean, the cycles were short because back then the detergents were so caustic (
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Post# 40251-6/17/2004-13:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: the rest ...........
MESSAGE: I have a few impeller type DW's and the hotter water and longer cycles offer decent performance. I have a '49 GE impeller type and have loaded that thing up with dishes literally filthy, (I did scrape off any excess food, whereas to not clog up the pump, there is no "food disposer" in most older machines either) but nevertheless, being a manual machine, you could walk away and let them wash for 15 minutes if you want and they came out GREAT !! Also any older machine needed to have some thought behind loading so that water could make contact with all surfaces. Ironically, in the Consumer reports (I think in vintage articles on home page)Hotpoint (impeller type) was rated fairly well in cleaning performance, but I also know that Jimmy (filterflo) had a '56 GE in his kitchen and he said it was a terrible performer because the cycle time was to short, if I remember correctly.
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Post# 40252-6/17/2004-14:11 ||| rileysteve (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: ATL Area-Whirly TL on the curb.
MESSAGE: Metro Atlanta folks- there is a Whirly TL Model #LLR6233AWO on the curb at 3309 College Street, College Park. Exit I85 at Virginia Ave. (WEST) take appox. 1 mile, turn right onto College Street. Just past 2nd Stop on left.
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Post# 40253-6/17/2004-15:28 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Auto Manufacturers and Washers
MESSAGE: Let's see:
GM had Frigidaire
Ford had Philco
AMC had Kelvinator
Did Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge ever manufacture anything but cars?
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Post# 40254-6/17/2004-16:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures uploaded
MESSAGE: Great pictures Jason, thank you. I added your link to the collections page.
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Post# 40255-6/17/2004-16:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1912 Easy Washing Machine (Wringer Washer Site)
MESSAGE: For more information Check out Lee Maxwells Wringer Washer Site...
LINK: http://www.oldewash.com
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Post# 40256-6/17/2004-16:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Hi Ralph, yes I don't expect the Apex to excel in cleaning ability, but for dishes and glasses it should be just fine, especially with 180 degree water.
Certainly, you will get to see this beauty in action after the restoration and after I have a clear piece of glass cut in the shape of the lid.
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Post# 40257-6/17/2004-17:05 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: early 80's ??Maytag A806
MESSAGE: Hello gang,
LUrker here... but now I have a chance to buy one of the old, round-center-dial machines (like I recall from back in the ??60's), original owner, 2 spd, 4 levels, 4 temp. She bought new set for new house. It's almond, so not vintage, but I'm sure 20+ yrs old ?? When were these discontinued? One reservation: it's been in her hot garage here in PHX for six ?? months, do I need to worry about seals drying out/leaks ?? I will ask her if I can haul it out to driveway, fill with garden hose, and do a test run to check for leaks. I assume parts are readily available, should need be, since this will be my everyday washer. Thanks for help!
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Post# 40258-6/17/2004-17:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (sump rust holes)
MESSAGE: Is it just the picture or is it that the porcelain coating doesn't extend all the way down into the sump?
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Post# 40259-6/17/2004-17:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures uploaded (Twist & Pull filter)
MESSAGE: My 1972 KM portable has the Twist & Pull Bed of Nails filter
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Post# 40260-6/17/2004-17:56 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Airtemp)
MESSAGE: Chrysler made well respected 'Chrysler Airtemp' window air conditioners. Saw many of them, years ago. Most of them worked untill they rotted away in the window.
Ken D.
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Post# 40261-6/17/2004-17:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Chrysler Corp)
MESSAGE: Airtemp a/c for their cars and the home
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Post# 40262-6/17/2004-19:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Airtemp)
MESSAGE: At the Govt building I worked in while in Wash DC they had a Chrysler Airtemp water chiller system that was tagged "Abandoned in Place"Looked like it hadn't been run in years.The chiller compressers were open type-radial cylinders-looked like a small aircraft engine.It was turned by a 40 hp 3 ph motor.Several years later the system was finally removed.
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Post# 40263-6/17/2004-19:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Pictures uploaded
MESSAGE: I used to have a washer similar to yours in a townhouse I used to live in when I was working in Wash DC. The Townhome was built in 1985 and located in Manassas Va.The matching dryer was on a stand that held the dryer above the washer.That little washer did work pretty well-but was limited how much you could put in it. Typically-I had to do 4 loads in it.Would be like 2 loads in a full size washer. Was an interesting machine. Left it with the townhome when I moved to NC.Mine didn't have the top mounted dispenser.
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Post# 40264-6/17/2004-21:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Chrysler Corp)
MESSAGE: Chrysler also supplied Airtemp systems to commercial and institutional use.The Govt building I worked in had one-but wasn't operational.A neighboring apartment building to mine had one as well.It took them awhile to get parts for it.
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Post# 40265-6/17/2004-22:40 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (sump rust holes)
MESSAGE: The porcelain does go all the way down into the sump, but its just a single coating, the double coat is in the speckled area. Triple coating would have made the tub white. The sump needs porcelain more than anywhere else so you would think they would have put more than one coat on down there, go figure.
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Post# 40266-6/17/2004-22:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (thin porcelain coating)
MESSAGE: That is strange, since it's a one piece thing, seems it would be MORE trouble NOT to make the porcelain coating thicker in one place than in another on the same piece of metal.
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Post# 40267-6/17/2004-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Since the plumbers putty was now dry and rock hard I painted a couple of layers of silicone over the rusty bottom of the sump and then reinstalled the cast iron motor mount and drive unit assembly. I also installed the new drain hardware. All the blue silicone will be hidden below the impeller base so it will be there to protect that tank without taking away from the look of the dishwasher.
Oh and the best news to report is I took the lid off and took it to my local Ace Hardware center where they are cutting me a piece of glass in the exact shape of the dishwasher lid. I’m picking that up tomorrow and I can’t wait to see how it comes out!
Next I need to work on the water valve, heater tank and get the machine back together for a trial run with its see-thru lid. Stay tuned.
Pictures from tonight…
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=11@Nice%20Blue%20Silicone%20for%20Sealing@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40268-6/17/2004-22:57 ||| sambootoo (Moody, AL)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Airtemp)
MESSAGE: They also made a high quality central air conditioning system for home use. My sister used one for more than 25 years in the Alabama heat and humidity before the compressor finally went out.
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Post# 40269-6/17/2004-23:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Here's the link; I'm boycotting Yahoo Photos one album at a time...
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER/
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Post# 40270-6/17/2004-23:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (Tonight I Patched the Sump)
MESSAGE: Yay, a Pulsamatic photo; the WV-35 is one of my favorites! I assume that load consisted of the rags used on the DW.
--Austin
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Post# 40271-6/18/2004-00:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (no first spin)
MESSAGE: Have you checked the Ester chart to see if there's actually no first spin? It's possible that the contact in the timer that activates a first spin is bad.
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Post# 40272-6/18/2004-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (GE portable neutral drain)
MESSAGE: So have you figured out how the ORIGINAL drain pump worked? You thinkit was a neutral drain even with the original pump? and possibly the wiring of the electric pump disturbed the first spin (if there originally was first spin). This really has me curious.
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Post# 40273-6/18/2004-01:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Continues on the Apex Dish-A-Matic (bucket draining)
MESSAGE: I suppose you could put one of those Little Giant submersible pumps in the bucket to pump the water up to a sink. Or, they make little pumps that have float switches in them. The evaporator on my central A/C (which is in the attic on the end of the furnace) has one of these that pumps the condensate to the outside of the house.
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Post# 40274-6/18/2004-03:02 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: This you got to see! The german picture of the day shows a line-up of the Miele appliances from the sixties.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/bilddestages/dateien/2004-6-18.html
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Post# 40275-6/18/2004-08:18 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806
MESSAGE: The last year these were available was late 1978 or early 1979. I had a chance to buy this machine as my first washer, but opted for a GE filter-flo instead. Have always regretted that decision. Sounds like a 1976-1978 model due to color.
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Post# 40276-6/18/2004-08:26 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (cool)
MESSAGE: wow, cool photos, love the shots of the fill/spray, thanks for sharing :)
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Post# 40277-6/18/2004-08:30 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: that would be nice framed
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Post# 40278-6/18/2004-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 40279-6/18/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Thanks Austin, I will add your link to the collections page.
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Post# 40280-6/18/2004-09:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (GE portable neutral drain)
MESSAGE: These earlier Japanese machines had no first spin. They always had neutral drain, the tiny low power motor could never cope with a spin drain. In fact the motors sometimes cook when the pump partially blocks, and the machine attempts to spin when still part full. It is quite possible the pump is original, they always look like an afterthought, just screwed the the back panel. The button traps are prone to leaks so they are often bypassed.
The main reason for no first spin I believe is the tendency for Japanese users to use LOTS of detergent. I have read that Japanese users like to see lots of suds, if there and suds it isn't washing properly. If it were to spin straight after rinse, it could whip up a suds lock. Many front loaders used to do the same. Aus Hoover FL's used to do 5 rinses but only spun after the last 2.
I find it interesting that washers tend to reflect the thinking of their country of origin, such as many European machines that offer no cold wash option and even the cheapest European machines have a heater. Italian machines in particular seem to have really long wash times and till recently default to quite hot washes. Australian derivatives of the same machines were changed to have much shorter wash times, no heater and lower water consumption to reflect the different imperatives of Aus users. Japanese machines tend to be very lightly constructed reflecting the greater acceptance of "disposable" appliances in that country, and have very intensive rinsing to reflect their use of lots of high suds ddetergent.
Chris
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Post# 40281-6/18/2004-09:47 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Hi Austin
Thanks for posting those pics.
I noticed what looks like a small crack in the plastic near the LH hinge.
A friendly warning: be very careful when moving the machine not to handle it by the top panel, always use the side handles. The top panels get brittle with age and break very easily. Also be sure to untangle the load before removing it from the tub, if you pull out a "rope" of twisted sheets or similar, it can catch on the crack and bust it wide apart.
I accidentally wrecked a tiny Sanyo with that problem.
Chris
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Post# 40282-6/18/2004-10:23 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: If it is a A806....the machine would be two speed but 4 speed select (a separate button for regular and gentle wash and regular or slow spin) and it would have a 6 temp combo's....a seperate button for cold/war/hot wash and cold/warm rinse. The machine would also have a prewash cycle prior to the soak cycle and a backlit control panel. Temp control to the right of the dial and speed control to the left.
What you discribe is a A608.....4 temp control to the left of the dial and regular action/gentle action to the right. No backlit panel and no prewash cycle.
The "06" series was available from the late 60's to mid to late 70's. Models from A106 to A806...being the top of the line. Below modle A806...the machines had a button for cold/warm/hot only. cold and warm defaulted to cold rinses. Hot defaulted to a warm rinse in the regular cycle....cold rinse was only available with hot on the PP cycle.
The "08" series was introduced after President Carter forced the DOE to command that all washers offer a cold rinse in every cycle. There never was a A808 washer since the A806 could achieve a Hot/Cold in the regular cycle.
The "08" series was availabel til fall of 1980...when the "10" series was first produced.....brown control panel and dial on the right.
Your machine is at least 24 years old.
To identify from afar....."06"'s usually had a seamist blue background where the controls are. From left to right the temps read cold/warm/hot. They also had a orange pilot light above the dial.
the "08"'s had a warm walnut tannish backgrownd and the temps read hot/warm/cold for machines with no warm rinse available or hw/hc/wc/cc for machines that offered a warm rinse.
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Post# 40283-6/18/2004-10:26 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: day out pics
MESSAGE: Today I had the big day out including snapping some pics of the Malleys Whirlpool and the GE600N for sale, and several others at the recycle centre. (The recycle ones are filthy...)
Someone has beaten me to the other Whirlpool, it has found a new home in the last couple of days. Good to see others still value them.
I have uploaded the Whirlpool at the 2nd hand store, the other files are to big to upload so I will re-save them in lower res and then upload them over the next day or so.
Chris.
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Post# 40284-6/18/2004-10:29 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: 1 more thing....
"06" water levels were marked small, medium, normal, and large
"08" levels were marked small, medium, large, and EX Large
of course A806 machines produced after the "08" series was in production would have followed the "08" level markings
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Post# 40285-6/18/2004-10:29 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: dunnit again.
Here's the link...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=10@Malleys%20Whirlpool@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 40286-6/18/2004-11:25 ||| Eamescollector (usa calif)
SUBJECT: 1951 JAMES dishwasher w/glass top! on ebay RARE!
MESSAGE: Hello all,
i just posted my 1951 James automatic stainless steel dishwasher on ebay. it is the rare model that has the glass top that you lift to load, then you can watch the load being washed. it's in near mint original condition! it has all the wire racks too! take a look and let me know what you all think. thanks again! best, steve kabella
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Post# 40287-6/18/2004-11:37 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: Got the Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: My GE Filter-Flo was delivered yesterday, two days late. They gave me a 90 day warranty instead of the usual 60 day.
Loaded it up with 4 sheets and two towels, a pretty big load and less Tide Free than I would use in my Maytag. The curved three vane agitator and the filter water combined to produce more than enough suds, in fact there was a suds lock during the spin/drain.
Great, although noisy washing action. Good fairly high speed spins. Lots of fun to watch with the top up, just depress that lid switch.
Now, I need help dating this machine:
Mod. No. WW 4600SBL WW (the second and third digit may be wrong)
Ser. No. SL 189062 G
This is probably 1982 or 1994. Looks more like 1982, but the way most people beat up their appliances it could well be 1994.
Also I think it is bastardized, the tub has the Hotpoint type ring, and the GE filter-flo pan. Perhaps they replaced the tub with a Hotpoint tub. The ring does spread the fill and spray rinse around the tub. The water flows properly into the filter-flo pan during agitation.
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Post# 40288-6/18/2004-12:31 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Wow I've never seen a Surgilator with a filter ring like that! It must be a burb-up filter?!
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Post# 40289-6/18/2004-12:35 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: Auto Manufacturers and Washers (Chrysler Corp)
MESSAGE:
So imagine if Chrysler had made washers...some big 2 ton monster tank of a washer with a 355hp motor, big vaned agitator and a mean looking "Christine" grill for a control panel...dirt wouldn't stand a chance! But probably not your clothes either! LOL
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Post# 40290-6/18/2004-12:40 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: That machine is so interesting! It looks much too new to have the agitator-mounted filter pan. The only Whirlpool reference over here that I've ever seen regarding a filter like that was in the user manual for our 1962 machine -- on a low-end model (1 cycle, 1 speed, 3 temp (h/w, w/w, c/c), 1 water level) that was also covered in the manual.
Oh, and I have to say again, that side-opening lid is just so wrong, LOL!
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Post# 40291-6/18/2004-13:11 ||| automagic (Chicago)
SUBJECT: James Dishwasher
MESSAGE: Hey guys,
I just looked on Ebay, but I couldn't find the James dishwasher. However I did see a wonderful Portable GE dishwasher. I wonder who is sell selling that one!! ;-)
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Post# 40292-6/18/2004-17:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: Very cool - I'll take a #208 please! (Deluxe 520 5kg washer)
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Post# 40293-6/18/2004-17:08 ||| eamescollector (usa calif)
SUBJECT: rare james dishwasher 1951
MESSAGE: the ebay number for the auction is 3683932227 and it starts the posting on saturday. oops, forgot to mention that, thanks for the emails.
regards, steve
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Post# 40294-6/18/2004-17:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics - they are fun to see. Does your Whirlpool do lots of spray rinses like ours here did? Even with the slower spin speeds, those spray rinses helped rinsing tremendously. I love the "scoop and sling" filter for the Whirlpool - have you tried it yet? They are fun to watch, Speed Queen used a very similar one for their 60's machines but their overflow wash and rinse tended to wash away all the lint that was collected!
Thanks again - enjoy your new machine.
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Post# 40295-6/18/2004-17:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Line-up of Miele appliances
MESSAGE: European appliances are the best! Is that your Miele Automatic 400 in this picture?
--Austin
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Post# 40296-6/18/2004-18:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded
MESSAGE: Another tip for other Japanese portable users out there:
When you're moving it by the side handles, grab the steel cabinet with your palms instead of the plastic cover, which is VERY flimsy and is prone to breakage. I moved it like this once and felt the plastic "give," so needless to say I grabbed the cabinet from that point on!
--Austin
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Post# 40297-6/18/2004-18:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (GE portable neutral drain)
MESSAGE: I'm going to follow-up on a few points you mentioned about the GE.
"...the tiny low power motor could never cope with a spin drain." This is obvious when I use this machine: During agitation I can hear the motor bog down when the clothes circulate around the impeller, and the seller of the GE Portable on eBay (which never sold) said not to overload it since it strains the motor. Also I can tell that the spin won't get up to high speed if there's a large load.
"It is quite possible the pump is original, they always look like an afterthought, just screwed the the back panel. The button traps are prone to leaks so they are often bypassed." That is exactly where the pump is, and the pump does look a little old, so it probably is original. Also, there's no space under the cabinet where a motor-driven pump would have been. I could see where the "Button Trap" could pose a problem. The small rubber plug used to drain it before cleaning has a very loose fit, so if the hose was blocked during the drain that plug would pop out and water would go everywhere!
"The main reason for no first spin I believe is the tendency for Japanese users to use LOTS of detergent. I have read that Japanese users like to see lots of suds, if there and suds it isn't washing properly. If it were to spin straight after rinse, it could whip up a suds lock. Many front loaders used to do the same. Aus Hoover FL's used to do 5 rinses but only spun after the last 2." Yes, on the "Regular" cycle it does 8 spin-sprays, and on the "Permanent Press" and "Gentle" cycles there are 3-5 neutral spray rinses followed by the 8 spin-sprays. Also, in case anyone was wondering, the machine is just 1 speed; the difference between the "Gentle" and the other cycles is that it has a much shorter wash time, as well as more frequent motor reversals. Bottom-impeller machines naturally don't suds well (even with a decent amount of Tide), so I can imagine the loads of detergent the Japanese put into those poor machines!
"Japanese machines tend to be very lightly constructed reflecting the greater acceptance of "disposable" appliances in that country..." This is true; the GE is quite a flimsy machine cosmetically. At least it still has the porcelain-speckled steel tub. I requested pictures of the newer stackable GE (with a Pulgitator, btw) and the tub is either plastic or SS (which seems highly unlikely for a small machine).
--Austin
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Post# 40298-6/18/2004-18:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo
MESSAGE: Do you have pictures of it? The 1994 machine has a white control panel with white dials/pushbuttons. The 1982 machine, however, could have white toggle switches for the water temperature/speed. If not, the 80's machines have widely spaced silver pushbuttons for temperature/speed to the left of the control panel.
--Austin
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Post# 40299-6/18/2004-18:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Love the burp-up filter! It (and the side-opening lid as well) looks so uncommon on a Whirlpool machine with a regular-looking Surgilator!
--Austin
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Post# 40300-6/18/2004-18:20 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: recent finds
MESSAGE: I picked up a BD Whirlpool,in immaculate shape,several years ago,that someone traded in because it wouldn't pump.The pump and hoses were PACKED with foam rubber,from washing small throw rugs.
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Post# 40301-6/18/2004-18:24 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: Don't forget the oddball 906 models,one step above TOL!
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Post# 40302-6/18/2004-18:28 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: I always seem to forget the 906 even tho Ganski has a beatiful one. \The 906 was not produced after the 08 series was introduced. Did not do a hot/cold on regular. I'm not sure if the even produced it through the end of the "06" offering
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Post# 40303-6/18/2004-18:33 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (Cool Down)
MESSAGE: Great pictures Austin! I too really like this new viewer - I always know I'll see every picture I want to. A question about your GE - what does a portable impeller machine like yours do for a "cool down"?
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Post# 40304-6/18/2004-18:53 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: And the early "06" standard capacity machines still used the bakelite agitator with spline separate from the agitator skirt. Transmission on those machines agitated at 50 something OPM while the deep tub modles were at 63 OPM.
The early deep tub modles had only 3 water levels ...small,normal and large and had a separate spline from the agitator skirt even though it was poly.
And add to that that the "06" series was actually two model series w/ and w/o Permanent Press...and used completely different timer schematics. TImer increments for 06 Standards without PP were 30 sec. Deep tubs...45 sec...Once PP was introdiced they all had 1 min timer increments.
And then u had odd balls like the A407...which was one of the first Fabric Matic modles (1 speed motor) 1 wash cycle./..with 3 buttons for regular/PP/delicate....delicate would soak and wash...PP would cool down and the final extract was only 3 mins. This machine had a soak only cycle and a 28 minute timed soak cycle.
And at the very end of the "08" series offering they had a A106 that had standad capacity, regular and PP only....hot warm cold with all cold rinses and 3 water levels. Machine had the original "wringer type" agitator. And had the ble seamist sontrol panel. If you stepped up to the A106F you got the same machine but with the tan backsplash and a lint filter and sofnter cup.
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Post# 40305-6/18/2004-19:16 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (you would still have that washer)
MESSAGE: Bob,
If you had opted for the A608 or A806 ...you would definitely still have that washer.
Yeah by this time the transmission would have had to be rebuilt and wearables such as hoses and belts replaced ....but even in Texas...this washer would still be produceing.
Maytags of this vintage did have their draw backs...short wash cycle 10 mins, way too short of rinse cycle 2mins and no convienience features. But they last last last last!....and if something did go wrong ...it was easy and cheap to fix In those days I don't think any could beat them for extraction save an older Frigidare or a Norge made machine.
Tom
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Post# 40306-6/18/2004-19:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (Cool Down)
MESSAGE: Good question Pete! I haven't looked into the Permanent Press cycle even though I used it once; I'll have to try it tonight and keep everyone updated.
--Austin
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Post# 40307-6/18/2004-19:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: The wringer-style agitator always amazes me because I've never seen it in an automatic before. Greg, how does your Highlander with that agitator clean? Also, does anyone know the capacity of the deep-tub Maytags? The capacity of the standard-tub machines would probably be a 10-12 lb load.
--Austin
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Post# 40308-6/18/2004-19:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE Portable Photos Uploaded (Cool Down)
MESSAGE: As a follow-up to my previous post, I just washed a dust ruffle on the PP cycle, and the "Cool Down" phase is a series of 7-8 neutral spray rinses, before it fills for the rinse cycle. Very interesting to watch.
--Austin
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Post# 40309-6/18/2004-19:55 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: I will post when I borrow or purchase a digital camera. This will probably give me the push.
Mod. No. on back WHA 8800
Mod. No. on side looks like WHA 8600 GBLWW
Ser. No. on side SL 189062G
The control panel is black with two push buttons on left for normal or gentle wash/spin speeds. Center are two twist knobs one for water level high medium low and mini-basket, and water temperature selection, cold-cold, warm-cold and hot-cold, then on the right is the cycle selection knob, all knobs are chrome.
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Post# 40310-6/18/2004-20:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: The Aberdeen Gang--1997
MESSAGE: I just finished watching the Aberdeen Farm videos, where Jon (Jetcone) found a WI-57 Control Tower and many other fun happenings and discoveries. Even though this was 7 years ago (hard to believe; for me 1997 was yesterday), I recognized Robert, Jon, & Donald, but no one else. Who was the man explaining the Agitub on the Skinni-Mini, and who was the narrator/cameraman? I'm curious to know.
--Austin
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Post# 40311-6/18/2004-21:11 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I found another old Whirly this morning, which I'll post pics of soon.
The machine is full of rust, but the transmission is in good nick.
So the Question is, how do you remove a surgilator when it doesnt want to pull off the shaft? :)
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40312-6/18/2004-21:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock
MESSAGE: If you don't have an Agi-Tamer* handy then take the cap off the Surgilator and put a few drops of oil on the shaft/drive block. Wait overnight, and if it deosn't come off, repeat the procedure.
*An Agi-Tamer is a device that, when you connect it to a washer's fill hose (or an air hose depending on the model) and place it under the agitator base, a round rubber tube inflates and literally bench-presses the stuck agitator off the drive block. You can purchase it at an appliance parts store. It works well with plastic and metal agitators, but I will give you a friendly warning:
1. Be sure to remove the screw cap/bolt holding the agitator to the drive block (with spline press-on agitators this step is not necessary)
2. DO NOT, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, USE THE AGI-TAMER ON STUCK BAKELITE AGITATORS. THEY WILL EXPLODE DUE TO THE HIGH PRESSURE.
Hopefully you can find an Agi-Tamer in Australia; these can be a real help.
--Austin
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Post# 40313-6/18/2004-21:58 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: The "gyrafoam" agitator did pretty good. You had to be careful not to overload though, or almost no roll-over will occur. Bulky items could be a problem as well.
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Post# 40314-6/18/2004-22:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: THANKS GUYS AND GALS!
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I have been away for awhile, but just had to catch up.
Thought that I would just post one message to everyone for the great posts, and great pictures! Too many to name!
Applianceville is alive and kicking these days!
Robert, thanks for the new picture downloading system! It is wonderful!
Brent
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Post# 40315-6/18/2004-22:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Hotpoint Twinnie on eBay (Attention UK Collectors!)
MESSAGE: Hotpoint Twin-Tub washer, in Lincolnshire. $10. Unsure of condition as there is no photo, but works great and seller will demonstrate machine.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3822605061&rd=1
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Post# 40316-6/18/2004-22:26 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: I've been steadily plugging away at my turquoise 1959 Frigidaire washer and tonight got the light working and panel back together. I rebuilt two mulit-matic transmissions (one for spare) and have been interested to see the differences from the unimatic and rollermatic versions.
Here are some pics of the machine...still a few more details to take care of, but it does run!!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/SWIRLAWAY/
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Post# 40317-6/18/2004-22:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: That agitator has the virtually same skirt diameter and fin height as the "Filter Agitator" and performs just as well. Because of the center barrel being larger, some length of the fins is lost, but it doesn't seem to affect turnover or performance.
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Post# 40318-6/18/2004-22:29 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: early 80's ??Maytag A806 (check the model number again)
MESSAGE: 54 OPM on those early '06 standard capacity machines. Those didn't last very long, once they changed the Power-Fin agitator from the early channeled skirt to the familiar open-bottom barrel, they discontinued those slower-stroke versions. I would like to find a black power-fin (without set screw) to use in my little Pinkie with a 50hz pulley - I'll bet with that smaller tub and faster agitation it would be a really kickin' washer!
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Post# 40319-6/18/2004-22:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: Great pictures! It's amazing how far this machine has come; if I'm not mistaken, is this the same machine with the rusted-out inner tub?
--Austin
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Post# 40320-6/18/2004-22:57 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Hi all,
I am seeking advice on a 1956 Whirlpool Imperial.
The machine was just rebuilt by yours truely. It has new center post bearings,and new basket drive,clutch,spin tube,brake and lever.The latter came as an assembly,and might be aftermarket.The problem the machine is having is a knocking sound on spin mode.The knocking goes away,and the machine is whisper quiet if you lift up slightly on the adgitator.I have adjusted this and that,with no good result.Another weird thing is the adgitator doesn't seem to want to spin with the basket very well.I have even tried another transmition.Should the brake drum be adjusted with a "preload" on the four springs? (via the set screw) I am out of ideas,short of than putting a thrust washer under the adgitator drive block. HELP!!
Thank's Rick
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Post# 40321-6/18/2004-22:58 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: The Frigidaire washers of the late 50's and early 60's were some of the most beautiful made.I like this particular model...it reminds me a little of the Kenmore machines from the 60's.Just beautiful.
Keep up the good work Greg.
Pat
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Post# 40322-6/18/2004-23:19 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: date help?
MESSAGE: picked up a what I think is a '72 or 3 GM Frigidaire "Dishmobile" in avocado, it works fine and could not let it go to the crusher; I will probably part with it in the not to distant future ...... its a DW-CDM (not a "spin-tube" but rather a spray arm with a tower in the middle for the upper rack. The serial is [50FC 3852]. I also found in amazingly great shape a '77 GE Filter flo, so I grabbed that too. UUGGGGHHHH, I am SOOO OUT OF ROOM, its not funny, yet I am laughing.
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Post# 40323-6/18/2004-23:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: hey greg, congrads ............. what a pretty console, all lit up, good for you :)
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Post# 40324-6/19/2004-00:36 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Since you replaced the center post bearings I would suspect the outer diameter of the spin tube where it contacts the already replaced bearings or the bearing on the inside top of the spin tube. If this was not a new spin tube then it is possible that this bearing is worn. Make sure there is no wear on either the outer spin tube surface or on the transmission shaft where it contacts the inner spin tube bearing. I have had machines that made this knocking noise from either of these problems. To check the outer bearings, reach inside and grab the lip of the top of the tub on opposite sides and try to rock it from side to side feeling for any play. To check the inner bearing, hold the tub securely with one hand and try to move the agitator shaft side to side feeling for play.
As for the agitator not spinning along with the tub someone correct me if I am wrong but the agitator is freewheeling on spin so I think this is normal.I remember rebuilding these having the agitator lag behind a bit but it will probably be ok after everything breaks in.
I don't think this knocking sound is coming form the clutch/brake so I wouldn't try to mess with it. There is no preload adjustment. The brake simply sits on top of the springs and is not adjustable.Do make sure the set screw goes in the hole in the spin tube.
Hope this helps.
Greg
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Post# 40325-6/19/2004-01:01 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: It sounds like the washer may have been assembled from more than one washer since the model# ends in WW-white on white- and your control panel is black, the model# should end in WH. The model # should start WWA not WHA. It sounds more like a 1994 model with the chrome buttons and knobs. The SL in the serial # designates that it was manufactured in September of either 1982 or 1994. Check the motor start relay on the back of the washer at the upper left. It should have a date code that should give you the answer.
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Post# 40326-6/19/2004-02:12 ||| Brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Hows it going? I've had two finds today, both Late 70's whirlpools, Both very Rusty, Machine 3, with a seized motor, Machine 4 with a seized Tranny, but with another Magic Clean system.
Neither of them are keepers and they'll be back out on the street. I've stripped one down and will do the other tomorrow.
Have a look at the dirty nasty pics :)
On the upside, I now have a lid, and tomorrow I'll strip it back ready for repsray, unfortunately the lid lable will be lost.
Have a good night guys
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=10@Machine%20Number%203%20-%20Control%20Panel%20-%201%20Speed%204%20Cycle%20-%205%20WR%20Temps%20-%20Perm%20Press%20-%20Lots%20of%20Rust%20inside%20and%20a%20Seized%20Motor@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40327-6/19/2004-02:32 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Interesting, Apparently the Aussie Whirlpools don't have color coded wiring like they do here in the states. Makes it somewhat more difficult when working on them especially when replacing a timer since you have to mark any wires before removing them or remove and replace one at a time. What a pain. I remember working on old GE's and they also didn't have color coded wiring. Are the wires marked with a letter or number like Maytags?
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Post# 40328-6/19/2004-04:44 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: date help?
MESSAGE: IIRC,Frigidaires from that period used the first number in the serial number for the date. So 50FC 3852 was a 75 model.
kennyGF
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Post# 40329-6/19/2004-05:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (agitator removal)
MESSAGE: Put a penetrating substance where the agitator is splined to the agitator shaft, let it soak, then just keep trying to pul it up. Two people and a lot of wiggling while pullling up often will do the trick.
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Post# 40330-6/19/2004-05:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: The agitator shaft frewheels during spin. The only reason it spins at all is the friction between the agitator shaft and the basket drive seal. Apparently the friction between the agitator shaft and the basket drive seal is very low.
As for the knocking, there is a little ball the goes in the agitator shaft that often falls out when pulling the gearcase. Things won't operate correctly if it isn't there. Nowk I'm not sure if they were using that little ball back then, though.
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Post# 40331-6/19/2004-06:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (parts WP machines)
MESSAGE: Hmm, a couple of things of note.
The lid is painted and not porcelain like the rest of the top is?
Note the use of numbered wiring instead of color coded wiring. Haven't seen that since a 50's Norge I worked on.
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Post# 40332-6/19/2004-07:47 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Hi Fixerman, Kenmore1978, Nathan,
It depends which company had the contract to make up the looms. Earlier ones had coloured wires, later ones had letter codes - letter coded were made by CMAPL (Cable Makers of Australia Proprietary Limited).
Simpson used letter codes, Hoover used white wires with coloured tracers (stripes).
The lid is Aluminium with powdercoat. They are prone to peeling.
I'd love to see that lid sticker preserved - you could cover it with masking tape before painting the lid. A panel beater could do it easily, they would have to use the correct (aluminium)primer before spray painting it. I think that little cartoon man (the Malleys man) survived when Email took over, I recall Simpson service ads with him. Electrolux service even now has a very similar but not identical man.
Chris.
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Post# 40333-6/19/2004-07:53 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: date help? (another date question RE same)
MESSAGE: thank you Kenny ..... this however is a D&M design correct ? whereas the model # does not start with 587. ??? or did ONLY Sears start their D&M dw's with model # 587. ##### ...........
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Post# 40334-6/19/2004-08:13 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: more pics
MESSAGE: Here are more pics from the day out, plus a bonus from my collection for Louis's enjoyment. (at last)
I do not own the Whirlpool or the GE, I just took photos of them in the second hand shop. (with permission)
Chris.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=12@MW%20dials@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 40335-6/19/2004-08:30 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: date help? (another date question RE same)
MESSAGE: Hey Travelin' Man (my new name for gregm)
GM Frigidaire manufactured their own dishwashers in that time period. WCI bought D&M in the 80's (I beleive). 587 is a Sears source code you will only find on Kenmore branded D&M dishwashers.
The GM dishmobile has a bluish plastisol tub maybe? Also white fixed center tower with a rounded nozzle on the top? Been a while since I have seen one of these.
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Post# 40336-6/19/2004-11:51 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg,
I will check to set screw position. The spin tube is new,as well as all the other related parts.
Rick
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Post# 40337-6/19/2004-12:00 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: Hello Kenmore 1978,
Thank you for your prompt reply. I thought perhaps you might know about this,since you have many "miles" on your Kenmore and have had it down quite a few times.I have rebuilt two other old belt drives,and have never had this happen before.
I have checked the manual for the 56,and it does show the little ball in the "sump" area of the gearcase.So this ball can fall out of place even if the gearcase is not opened?
If that is the case,must the gearcase be torn down to put the ball back in place? Or can you lift the adgitator shaft up,and the ball fall back in place? (I hope,but I doubt it): Nothing could be that easy could it???
Thank you,
Rick
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Post# 40338-6/19/2004-12:20 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pics, even if you didn't take the machines. Love getting a glimpse of 'em!
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Post# 40339-6/19/2004-12:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: day out pics
MESSAGE: Thanks Chris for sharing your pictures, especially the ones of the Philips TL. I noticed that there were some differences between the older model I had and your somewhat newer one. Mine didn't have the dispenser in the lid yet, it was situated in the space in front of the drum. I also noticed that yours has separate delicate and woolens cycle, mine had those integrated. The rest of the inside is still the same though. I loved the possibility of of removing one of the baffles to remove foreign objects that had gotten between the inner and outer drum.
Louis
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Post# 40340-6/19/2004-12:23 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick,
If you have a new gearcase it will have a "T" bearing which is a plastic spacer, if you will, that sits at the bottom of the agitate shaft and beneath the spin pulley. It does have a cutout section for a steel ball that causes the agitate shaft to turn with the tub during spin. I don't think your original tranny would have this plastic spacer. It was used in the 70's when they started using the agitator-mounted softener dispenser. They found that the softener would not disp all the contents because the agitator would not spin fast enough.
As far as the knocking during spin, it is usually the sign of worn bearings either in the centerpost or spin tube, but I know you said all those parts are new.
John
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Post# 40341-6/19/2004-12:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: Greg, congratulations, it's wonderful to see that you make progress with this machine. It's my favourite Frigidaire model and not just because I'm into 1959 things!
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Post# 40342-6/19/2004-13:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Aberdeen Gang--1997
MESSAGE: That's John Lefever talking and Robert Stokes (Syndets2000) is doing the filming.
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Post# 40343-6/19/2004-13:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 59 Frigidaire Custom Iperial Works!
MESSAGE: Hey Greg, congrats on getting that multimatic tranny working, they are a piece of work! No oil leakage between the pulleys I hope. :)
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Post# 40344-6/19/2004-13:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: My vote would be for the missing ball at the very bottom of the agitator shaft. That happened to me once before.
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Post# 40345-6/19/2004-14:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (Max Picture Allocation Raised)
MESSAGE: Since you guys are loading lots of great pictures, I raised the maximum allow to 40 pictures from 20 so you can keep going!
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Post# 40346-6/19/2004-14:21 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: The ball kenmore78 was speaking of is not the one inside the gearcase. Yours probably does not have this type unless the transmission was replaced with a newer model one. The older ones like yours had a collar with a set screw and a tee bearing on top of it. The kind kenmore78 is talking about is a plastic one piece tee bearing with a steel ball to locate it in a groove in the tee bearing.Some models in between these had a black plastic one with a double locking clip that fit into a groove in the transmission shaft. It is possible that this tee bearing is the cause of your problem. If yours is the old collar type you can replace it with a new one of the plastic and ball type. The ball fits into the set screw hole in the shaft. It is Part no 350920
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Post# 40347-6/19/2004-14:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (Max Picture Allocation Raised)
MESSAGE: YAY!
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Post# 40348-6/19/2004-15:10 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!!
MESSAGE: Another thought. Did you grease the bearing surfaces before assembly? A little grease on the bearing Agitator shaft and on the spin tube I find helps. Also, did you use turbine oil between the top seal and the bearing? This may help also
Greg
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Post# 40349-6/19/2004-15:33 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (parts WP machines (Wiring)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
The Wiring into the control panel is in a wiring block, but they are still marked with letters and numbers in red Ink.
The Lid is only painted, I would say based on the lid label that, that machine is one of the very last manufactured in AU.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40350-6/19/2004-15:45 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays Finds (Lid Sticker)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris and all that have responded.
The protective plastic coating that goes over the stick was hanging off when we got it, so without the sticker, I'm not sure how well it will last. This is a much later lid label and I find it reasonabley unattractive, the early-mid 70's instructions were much nicer.
In our laundry mounting the lid to swing to the right would make sense, as that would open it up against the taps, rather than over the laundry tub, and hopefully prevent me manageing to break those flimsy plastic hinges. The sticker is orientated to open to the left currently.
I will mask it off I guess and see how I go, if it was the older lid label I would feel much more strongly about keeping it.
I rang the Brisbane Care line Number (The one on the lid) last night. It went through to an answering machine for Spitfire Industries :) No Malleys there :)
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Post# 40351-6/19/2004-15:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (agitator removal)
MESSAGE: Thanks to all that responded.
I got the agitator out and then the Transmission. Without the right tool to remove the basket, I dont know that the basket drive will be going anywhere soon.
Thanks for your help
Nathan
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Post# 40352-6/19/2004-15:55 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Magic Clean, Tub Movement, Noise at low speed.
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
On the Keeper, I have this annoying problem. There is really fine sediment in the washer, its suspended/floating on top of the water, and each time the machine drains, it deposits itself on the agitator. I cant see how the gunge can be comeing from anywhere, so the best thought I've had so far is just to wash old towels in there until they've caught all the gunk.
Secondly, I've noticed that the washbowl is moving slightly at times, almost like an index, obviously I can only see it during wash and draing, it just moves in little bursts of about an inch or less at a time. Is this a problem with the clutch, or is the basket drive worn? Can the problem be fixed without pulling out the basket drive?
Lastly, In normal speed the machine is quite quiet and smooth, there is some bearing noise from the motor, but otherwise its pretty silent. In drain there is a slightly ragged noise, I'm hoping after I replace the pump that it will go.
However, in Low speed, the machine is quite noisy, its an indescrible sound, its just in addition to the normal running noises. I'm hoping that replacing the motor bearings and pump will resolve this, but is there anything else that can cause the machine to be noisy in low speed, but not in high speed?
Thanks for your help and enthusiasm guys
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40353-6/19/2004-16:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Great Pics, and a Kleenmaid Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
They're great pics, I wish I lived down near you :)
The only place we had really like that, the owner was murdered in and found a month later under a washer :)
The times I was there, he was a nasty old man, he was only interested in selling parts and charging you labour to remove them. He would've had about 100 washer or so in a big paddock.
After he died it was all bulldozed and put in a skip, now its all houses.
In the Pawnbrokers up the road, I saw a Kleenmaid Whirlpool that you were telling us about. Surgilator agitator, but with a funny leprechaun type man on the cap, and an american style lint filter on the front right and an american style upward opening lid. The Filter opens to the top and when you pull it out, its a brush.
The pawnbroker wanted $500AU for it, which seems a bit of a joke. He wasnt very friendly but I might try and take some pics. I dont know that I'll get far though.
Its great to hear from you Chris,
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40354-6/19/2004-16:13 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: date help? (another date question RE same)
MESSAGE: I believe you are correct,it is a Frigidaire built unit.I believe Frigidaire built all their own appliances back then(along with some refrigerators for Wards)
kennyGF
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Post# 40355-6/19/2004-16:17 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Nathan:
It sounds as if appliances hold a lot more value in Oz than they do here- that pawnbroker's washer is priced higher than a cheap new one is in the States.
The conversion for $500 AUD is $340.95 USD. It's possible to buy an cheap DD Admiral washer brand-new for under $300 USD here at stores like Home Depot.
Do you have any idea why appliances are so much more expensive there than here? Just curious!
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Post# 40356-6/19/2004-16:49 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Hi,
A whirlpool here, costs about $1000AU, A new Kleenmaid is about $2000AU
Our Budget machines start at about $400 up to $800-$900 AU
Everything in this Pawnbrokers was expensive, A 25yo Simpson dishwasher, very good and reliable, but it isnt worth $125.
A 10yo Fisher and Paykel Fridge, $600. New its only worth about $1500
Australians havent caught onto the concept that in a disposable society, you cant expect a premium for old appliances. The first Whirlpool I bought from the trading post, they wanted $200 for, I ended up paying $80 and thats a 40 yo machine.
I'd say its all been sitting there for a while, and probably will be for a while longer.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40357-6/19/2004-16:54 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT:
MESSAGE:
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Post# 40358-6/19/2004-19:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Found this in the Archives...
MESSAGE: Before my flashlight went out when I was going through the deep, dark, scary Applianceville Archives, I found this...another hidden example of Robert's restoration talent! YAY! See for yourself--I'm not giving away the name...
--Austin
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RESTORATIONS/Norge/1956%20Norge%20Time%20Line.htm
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Post# 40359-6/19/2004-21:45 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: G E Convertible pics- Westytoploader
MESSAGE: Hey Austin, I was just looking through your photos of the GE convertible.Neat little machine, looks like it would be lots of fun! These photo pages are really great. Thanks for shareing. Don
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Post# 40360-6/19/2004-22:03 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: I just finished cleanup on this today I still need to rebuild the motor as it was just bearly running when I got it. These are fun to work on. Don
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/08@Electrolux%20%20case%20finished.%20Motor%20still%20wating%20for%20attention.@DRMITCH.jpg
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Post# 40361-6/19/2004-22:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Wow, that really cleaned up great! What a beautiful example of this model! I had one of these about 10 years ago; found it at a garage sale for $5. Motor purred nicely and it could pick up literally anything a 5-year-old could find (LOL). When my mom threw it out my heart sank down to my toenails...at least these are easy to find. My favorites are the early models with the skinny bag-door lever and the models with the optional cord reel.
--Austin
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Post# 40362-6/19/2004-22:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil "
weight"
?(robert))
MESSAGE: Robert, what was the oil "weight" that you used in your Norge tranny rebuild ??
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Post# 40363-6/19/2004-22:36 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Don:
Nice example, and you've done a terrific job of cleaning it up. It appears to be a late-1940's one, maybe early 1950's. For more info, you can look at the article I did for Jetsetmodern on collectible vacs; a link is below. If you want even more detail, the bottom of the article has a link to Charlie Lester's Electrolux pages. Charlie is one of the best-versed collectors I know.
If you have any trouble getting rebuild parts, I know a guy in California who specialises in older Electrolux parts; he sells on eBay under the name dickandkitty. Very reliable guy- I can provide you with an email address if you need it. Dealing with Electrolux itself (by which I mean the new company, which has been renamed Aerus) is getting a little weird for older machines. They aren't real enthusiastic about keeping old machines running, and it shows.
Again, nice find, and looks great already.
LINK: http://www.jetsetmodern.com/vacuum.htm
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Post# 40364-6/19/2004-23:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Get your VCR's & TiVo's ready...
MESSAGE: Because Hey, Remember! Washing Machines/Detergents is on tomorrow! If you missed the last showing be sure to catch this one! 11:30 PM ET/10:30 PM CT.
--Austin
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Post# 40365-6/20/2004-00:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil )
MESSAGE: I have no idea Greg, I ordered factory Norge oil as it was still available.
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Post# 40366-6/20/2004-00:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Well the Apex Dish-A-Matic is now operational and its washed its first load of dishes in my house. The hot water heating tank still needs to be restored and I'm afraid it might be full of rust on the inside, so for now I just bypassed it and hooked the water like directly to my 145 deg hot water house line.
After working on the water valve, I picked up my new piece of wonderful glass at the hardware store and all I can say is WOW...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=17@Impeller%20and%20Base%20Reinstalled%20and%20Ready%20for%20Action@Unimatic1140.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Apex_DishAMatic
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Post# 40367-6/20/2004-01:17 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Today we saw a couple of Blackstone design Hoovers in pretty bad condition and the pic of the day and Norge Semi Auto.
I wasnt allowed to bring home, it appears he's partial to Whirlpools, but there'd have to be good reason otherwise, so unfortunately this will go to the crusher.
The top and lid are porcelin enamel and in very good condition under the dirt.
The Numbers for the cycle guide line up with timings on the Timer (Little Knob) and depending on the time you choose it seems to fill with a different temperature water and have a different wash time.
The big knob on the right is the cycle knob, Labeled Spin, Wash and Heat.
To operate you'd choose for instance Number 3, Cotton and Linen Hot wash, Cold Rinse.
You would turn the timer to Number 3 at the 10 oclock position, Turn the Dial to Wash, and Pull the knob out.
The Machine would fill with water, wash for 10 minutes and then stop.
You would push the big knob in, turn it around to Spin, set the timer to the suggested time of 6 minutes and pull the knob out.
Machine would spin drain and continue to spin for 6 minutes before stopping.
Push the knob in, set the timer for 3 minutes. (You could could set it to 1, 2,4,5 to do a warm rinse) Turn the knob to wash and pull it out.
So on and So on and So on :)
The lint filter and bleach dispenser are mounted on the agitator, you line the arrows up on the bleach dispenser with must seal the container, and fill it up. I'm guessing once the agitator starts moving the little hole in the bottom opens and the bleach runs through the lint filter into the water.
Its quite an impressive machine, if only I could bring it home. But he's been very good about the curbside pickup, so I'm being gratefull.
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=16@Norge%20'Spinomatic'%20Semi%20Automatic%20Washer@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 40368-6/20/2004-01:43 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Wouldn't the middle insert for the upper rack be for placing a few more items in that space?
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Post# 40369-6/20/2004-04:37 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: One of the interesting things about it was hidden amongst the grime was the word Pope a forgotten manufacturer that merged later with Simpson. Did Norge have some input into subsequent Simpson designs?
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Post# 40370-6/20/2004-04:38 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: I can only second that! WOW!!!
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Post# 40371-6/20/2004-04:42 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pictures. I'm sorry that it has to go to the crusher.
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Post# 40372-6/20/2004-05:16 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Norge POD
MESSAGE: So Norge had the No Tumble option way back then. What year are these?
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Post# 40373-6/20/2004-05:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (little ball)
MESSAGE: That little ball isn't in the gearcase, it's in a hole in the agitator shaft above the gearcase IF your model uses it. Might not have been used back then.
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Post# 40374-6/20/2004-05:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: HELP!! WP belt drive problem!! (agitator spin)
MESSAGE: That little ball still doesn't totally lock the agitator to the spin tube, you can still hold the agitator still while spinning. My repair manual says that if the ball isn't there, the machine won't spin properly, and they're right, mine fell out once during re-assembly and I didn't notice it, and sure enough, it wouldn't spin properly.
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Post# 40375-6/20/2004-05:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (basket removal)
MESSAGE: It's nice if you have the actual tool, but the ring that holds the basket to the spin tube CAN be loosend with a large screwdriver and a hammer. Again, you want to soak it with penetrating solution first.
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Post# 40376-6/20/2004-05:48 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Pictures from the Miele museum
MESSAGE: A poster on the Laundry Room Forum went to Germany for a visit to Miele. He took some nice pictures in the factory and also in the museum. Miele did not only make white goods in the past...
LINK: http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/laundry/msg0608581723862.html?4
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Post# 40377-6/20/2004-05:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Australian prices)
MESSAGE: Doesn't seem TOO out of line price-wise
$400 AUD=$272.76 USD
$800 AUD=$545.52 USD
$900 AUD=$613.71 USD
$1000 AUD=$681.89 USD
$2000 AUD=$1363.78 USD
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Post# 40378-6/20/2004-06:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (Norge restoration)
MESSAGE: VERY interesting! I love seeing how the engineers came up with totally different ways to accomplish the same actions in automatic washers
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Post# 40379-6/20/2004-06:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! ('49 water valve)
MESSAGE: What's that part of the valve below with the nut on it?
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Post# 40380-6/20/2004-06:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (round insert)
MESSAGE: I would imagine the round rack insert is just so the space that would normally be wasted in order to access the lower rack is utilized for more dishes
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Post# 40381-6/20/2004-06:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: So how complete is your set of "Blue Heaven" dishes? :-)
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Post# 40382-6/20/2004-07:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Get your VCR's & TiVo's ready... (Question on Washing Machines/Detergent TV Show)
MESSAGE: On which network does this air? Or cable channel? Thank you, Steve
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Post# 40383-6/20/2004-08:31 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (wow is right)
MESSAGE: GREAT photos, very cool !!!!, thanks for sharing ...
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Post# 40384-6/20/2004-08:44 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (agitator removal)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
I don't remember what the basket drive is like but I do know I have had it out and didn't need any special tools. Isn't it a big nut around a flange that contracts when tightened?? I just used a small stillson (monkey wrench to Americans??) around the nut. It was tricky finding a stillson short enough to fit in the bowl but with wide enough opening jaws. But from memory I did find one.
These machines appear frighteningly complicated at first but when you get into it they are beautifully logical and easy to work on. The basket twitching you mentioned could be caused by friction between the agitator shaft and spin tube (bad or gunked up bearings), or the spin clutch being out of adjustment. If you look at the wig wag, it moves a metal arm in/out to select spin. That arm lifts a clutch fork, which lifts the clutch. The other end of the clutch fork sits on a stud, which adjusts for height. You loosen the locknut, then screw the stud up/down to adjust the clutch, then retighten the locknut. Too far one way and it won't spin, too far the other and the clutch won't release properly, making it drag, basket move a bit or even spin during wash.
Chris.
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Post# 40385-6/20/2004-08:54 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Wow, wow, and double wow)
MESSAGE: R, how did you keep the (plexi)glass top from blowing off?
I love those impellars!!! Do you suppose spray arms evolved to simplify recirculation/filtration? I sure wish I could be your next door neighbor for about three summers in a row!!!!
darrel
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Post# 40386-6/20/2004-08:58 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: RE: rare james dishwasher 1951 (which saturday?)
MESSAGE: can't find your 3683932227 did you not list after all?
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Post# 40387-6/20/2004-09:09 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
Funny, just reently I was daydreaming about what washers I would still pick up. I have a garage full of machines, many of doubtful merit so I would only now pick up washers of real interest. I would grab another Keymatic only if it had a motor, a Kelvinator with centric agitator, a Simpson Fluid Drive, an immaculate Hoover 500 series, and a Pope/Norge.
I have used a full auto version of that Pope/Norge, it was at a caravan park when my two sisters and I did a 5 day trip around Victoria in Mum's car - no parents invited. I would have been about 15. One place had one of those Lightburn Jumbo Twins with the cement mixer style wash bowl. Another had a Pope Norge auto, it was not a commercial machine, just a regular one with a coin-in-the-slot power point on the wall. It had an amazing tub brake - lift the lid and it stopped instantly with a loud bang! I have never seen anything like it since. The tub would have gone from full steam ahead to stopped dead in about one or at worst two seconds. I would love to get my hands on one of those!!
Chris.
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Post# 40388-6/20/2004-09:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Get your VCR's & TiVo's ready... (Question on Washing Machines/Detergent TV Show)
MESSAGE: It airs on HGTV; Ch. 229 on my DirectTV system but it could be different.
--Austin
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Post# 40389-6/20/2004-09:54 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Very cool machine,amazing with the glass top!With all that action I can see how this machine can clean pans! Most older dishwasher did not do pots and pans,or did they?
Rick
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Post# 40390-6/20/2004-09:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: Nothing short of amazing how your Apex has turned out! Very beautiful work Robert, and WOW, can it clean! How high does it have to fill for the impeller to work effectively and give a good, strong spray?
Considering the viewing glass goes under the lid, the Apex was made before manufacturers equipped DW's with lid latches...
--Austin
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Post# 40391-6/20/2004-10:26 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: 1956 Whirlpool A-ok!! Yay!
MESSAGE: I finally got the 1956 WP to operate correctly.I tore down the gearbox,and everything looked fine.Even the oil looked ok.The little ball was down in the sump,and a small metal disk about the size of a dime was on top the ball.This is how the service manual shows it is to be on this model.I made a new gasket,cleaned and refilled the crankcase with hypoy C 80-90 oil,and used a stronger spring for the adgitator shaft.As I put the gearcase back in the machine,I saw what my problem was.When I tore the machine down a few weeks ago,I put the small brake lever spring on the shaft for safekeeping.When I put the machine back together I put the brake lever ON TOP of the spring.The spring belongs ON TOP of the brake lever. I feel SO STUPID!!
A BIG thanks to all of you that tried to help me out!! I REALLY appricate your input.The machine works great,and it's wagging it's wig wag!!(so am I)A very cool machine! It has a total of eight lights in it,and I've added a recirculating lint filter to it also.Even though that filter did not come out until the next year,this machine was begging for one!!
One thing that is missing yet.A link from the timer to the control knob.It was missing when I got the machine.If anyone has one of these,I would gladly purchase it from you.Please let me know.
I did two big loads of wash in it last night.Again,many thanks to all of you.I will try to get some photos to post this week.
Keep Washin'(:
Rick
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Post# 40392-6/20/2004-10:32 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (couple of questions)
MESSAGE: Robert, this is so cool and so much fun. I thought your coffee pot might go for a ride, but it all seemed fine! O.k., this may have been covered before, where does the detergent go? What is the cycle sequence?
Regards.......Leslie
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Post# 40393-6/20/2004-11:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I had an Uncle who built a few subdivisions in the Coral Gables area of Miami back in the mid-fifties. He and his family occupied a really cool fifties style home there. The dishwasher they had was like a huge drawer. You just took your hand to unlatch it just like todays FL dishwashers, except this one pulled completely out of the cabinetry, very smoothly like on bearings. I remember it was a Westinghouse, it had an impeller, and was dual rack. Had a tiny little screen cup to put detergent in. On the front panel at the bottom, right in the middle, was a cycle knob. It was a half-crescent horizontaly so half of it disapeared behind the panel as it moved, but was different pastel colors depending on the cycle. All the homes he built had these, as well as massive Philco-Bendix WD Combos. I remember twisting a knob right in the center of the little window on the door to open the door. Does anyone remember those old Westinghouses?
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Post# 40394-6/20/2004-12:14 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: Ebay Kelvinator Food-a-Rama Wow!
MESSAGE: Just saw this.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12514&item=6102984461&rd=1
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Post# 40395-6/20/2004-12:57 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Ebay Kelvinator Food-a-Rama Wow!
MESSAGE: That is a WOW! I haven't seen one of those since my dad picked one up about 20 years ago,from a trade in pile. I remember it was HUGE! Ended up taking it to an auction,'cause it was too big for practicality,and no one wanted it.
kennyGF
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Post# 40396-6/20/2004-14:21 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: 1956 Whirlpool A-ok!! Yay!
MESSAGE: Hello rickr,Would this be the machine that Gregm used to own?I am looking forward to your pics.I ask the question because i remember he was having a problem with the timer on his 56 WP Imp.That is such a gorgous machine,...many happy washings (:
Pat
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Post# 40397-6/20/2004-15:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: 65 FRIG WSH ROLLERMATIC PROBLEM
MESSAGE: I took outside the WCD-65 today and of course whether in agitate or spin the motor just hums and nothing else, however if you grab the tub and spin counterclockwise, it does start to agitate AND it will agitate in the agitate portion BUT it will also agitate in the spin portion. As some or many of you know on both the rollermatics and later 1/18's the motor turns one direction, engages one roller and forces agitation while pulling the other (spin) roller away from spin.....and of course vice versa during spin when the motor reverses. Well aside from what appears to be a corroded "capacitor?" attached to the back access panel, I assume I need to replace that and if so HOW and with WHAT ? (obviously another capacitor-maybe from "RADIO SHACK??") Secondly, after a couple observations of grabbing the tub and spinning to get it agitating in either the "agitation" portion of the cycle or "spin" portion of the cycle, AND realizing that the agitate roller kept engaging and the spin roller not; I realized that the motor was/is NOT reversing and constantly turning in the same direction. So is this a bad capacitor ? motor ? timer issue ? The fact that the motor just hums and does not have enough "juice" to start anything in the first place led me to believe that maybe the capacitor or start windings on the motor themselves or bad ?? then I thought that the timer might not be telling the motor to reverse ? I think once I fix this issue and replace the spin roller which seems a tad damaged the machine will run fine. OH ! and the spring attached to both rollers is intact and seems fine, does that weaken with age ? --thanks in advance for any feedback
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Post# 40398-6/20/2004-15:14 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: congrads rickr on 56wp up and running
MESSAGE: Hats off to you Rick for getting that baby going along with some great knowledge/advice from a few other helpful members. Better you than me. Again, I should at least know whether or not I have that "timer extension" piece by next weekend. I still curse MTS for losing that along with the rude women who work the phones.
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Post# 40399-6/20/2004-15:16 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I think Chris in St. Louis has one of these that your talking about and he completely restored it. It had dead mice in it and it was NASTY. He did an AMAZING job restoring it and it looks like new.
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Post# 40400-6/20/2004-15:20 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto (So Would I :))
MESSAGE: So would I chris, especially after looking at Uni's restoration pics of the Timeline :)
I couldnt get over how good the enamel was on top and on the Bowl. No rust anywhere, unlike the occaisional spot on the newer whirlpool.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40401-6/20/2004-15:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Ebay Kelvinator Food-a-Rama Wow!
MESSAGE: The Food-A-Rama is one of the earliest examples of a side-by-side refrigerator/freezer I've seen. The seller is right--"The '57 Chevy of the kitchen!"
--Austin
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Post# 40402-6/20/2004-15:23 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (Basket Drive)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
I've copied down your instructions for me to explore later this week, thanks for your suggestion.
Its perfectly quiet on high speed in the Wash, Drain, Spin, so maybe the clutch just needs adjustment. I'll give it ago after my exams on Wednesday that I havent studied enough for :)
I'm hoping that motor bearings will cure the noise on low speed.
Thanks in advance for suggestion.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40403-6/20/2004-16:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: rare james dishwasher 1951 (which saturday?)
MESSAGE: Maybe he's pulling our legs...
--Austin
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Post# 40404-6/20/2004-16:26 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Unusual Coin-Ops.
MESSAGE: Since I was describing the old Westy TL Dishwasher in an earlier post, another old memory came to mind. My Grandmother owned a small (screaming 40's deco) apartment complex in Miami in the 50's and there was a laundy room at the end of each wing. No dryers, clothes-lines just outside the door. Inside were two Apex Washers. At that time I was too young to know of their significance, but they had large glass windows in the lids and I remember watching them splash away! Seems like the tubs were plastic turquoise and had a type of sculpting in the bottom. It seemed as though they kicked all the water out of the tub in the first few minutes of agitation! My next coin op memory I have recently shared with Unimatic. I had a friend who lived in an old brownstone apartment complex here in Atlanta in the late 60's. In the basement was a laundry room. There were two large commercial dryers and four Philco "Blades o' Water" type top loaders. Each one of these did not have the usual center post I was used to but had a black plastic (Appox. 1 in. Dia.) pole sticking up from the rotating rubber disk. They appeared to have been made that way as they fit perfectly. They looked like broomsticks!!!!! Very weird. Has anyone seen any of the types of machines before? Please share!
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Post# 40405-6/20/2004-17:18 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I do remember these, as well as the later model Westy's that had nothing but the latch showing. No timer knob, nothing. Just a solid front of 'coppertone'.
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Post# 40406-6/20/2004-17:26 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Coin-Ops. (Apex and Philco)
MESSAGE: The Apex Bouncing Basket machines that you describe are among the Holy Grail of vintage washer collecting.
The Philco Blades of Water (or Automagic, or High Frequency Washing Action, among other descriptions/trademarks) are also unique and highly-sought machines. Unimatic1140/Robert and Gansky1/Greg have them.
LINK: http://classicappliances.com/see_it_wash.htm
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Post# 40407-6/20/2004-18:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Coin-Ops. (Apex and Philco)
MESSAGE: Highly unlikely considering the climate, but maybe us Texans will find another Philco or even an Apex...
When did production stop on Apex automatics? Some of them in the "Wanted" page look ahead of their time.
--Austin
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Post# 40408-6/20/2004-18:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Interesting Variation of an ABC-O-Matic...
MESSAGE: ABC-O-Matic Brochure from the 40's or 50's, but what's interesting here is that this machine looks portable; it has a smaller footprint than other machines I've seen.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3822880969
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Post# 40409-6/20/2004-18:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Another BD Whirlpool on eBay!
MESSAGE: Typical 80's BD Whirlpool, but this time it's a standard-capacity machine with a small-base Surgilator and recirculating bed-of-nails filter. $25. Looks & works great!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3823044443&rd=1
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Post# 40410-6/20/2004-18:41 ||| gaygreek (Cambridge, MA)
SUBJECT: Happy Gay Pride Month
MESSAGE: Hi folks,
Happy Gay Pride Month to all gay, straight, bi, trans, etc. etc. from Boston.
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Post# 40411-6/20/2004-18:49 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month
MESSAGE: I hope I don't sound offensive to any members here, but this message isn't exactly appliance-related, unless someone discusses their boyfriend's appliance preferences...
--Austin
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Post# 40412-6/20/2004-19:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Only the older BD machines had the adjusting nut. Later machines used shims (washers) that you had to add or subtract from to get the adjustment right.
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Post# 40413-6/20/2004-19:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (impeller vs spray arms)
MESSAGE: Spray arms were friendlier to random loading of the dishes, and eliminated the "mangled flatware/chewed up metal or chipped bakelite impeller" syndrome.
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Post# 40414-6/20/2004-19:21 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that Further Info Kenmore,
After wednesday, I'll have a look and see which it is. My machine is about 1970 or so, I guess thast in the middle of old and new.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40415-6/20/2004-19:25 ||| Goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire gas ranges
MESSAGE: Were the first Frigidaire gas ranges produced after the WCI merge? I don't recall ever seeing a Frigidaire gas range in the GM era.
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Post# 40416-6/20/2004-19:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto (BANG!)
MESSAGE: That BANG! tub brake is a Norge "trademark"
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Post# 40417-6/20/2004-19:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Pots and pans)
MESSAGE: Then, as now, depends on just how "crusty" the pot or pan is whether or not it gets clean. Often I put a pot or pan in the dishwasher KNOWING it won't come completely clean, but it at least takes all the grease and gook out and makes the final touchup cleaning much easier.
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Post# 40418-6/20/2004-19:42 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (all of my pink ones are!!!!)
MESSAGE: Appliances, that is!!!! Aside from that horrible love that dare not speak it's name, alas, I think amescollector.com may have been pulling our leg(s)! I did enter the site and came up with an extensive midcentury collectibles commercial enterprise. He has a retail store in the Marin County town of San Anselmo, north of Bagdad by the Bay, as Herb Caen used to refer to San Francisco. I will venture due south west, a three hour drive or so to view the store and it's contents. If I find no ready evidence of a rare glass top James Dishwasher, I will simply ball pene hammer all of their Wakefield and Russel Wright!!!!!!!!
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Post# 40419-6/20/2004-19:50 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: The relay part no. is 9430. That, plus what everyone is saying pretty much says 1994. Sad it's not older. But this is the Last Year for Filter-Flo, so that's worth something. This basic model was made since 1962.
1995 and newer GE washers, except the brand new Harmony, are bad, worse than most others. Pure plastic. The spin brake is part of the transmission, and goes bad frequently.
I have the Filter-Flo draining into a wash tub, and the filth and sand removed is unbelievable. Also, I always use the second rinse, and now I can really see how much it is needed to really remove the suds from clothing.
Long live the Filter-Flo. Oh, yes, it collects huge quantities of dog hair, and it's not going down my old drains.
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Post# 40420-6/20/2004-19:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (Agreed)
MESSAGE: Agreed
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Post# 40421-6/20/2004-19:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! ('49 water valve)
MESSAGE: I'm not exactly sure what that round nut below the valve is for, I haven't seen one like it. But since it works otherwise no need to disturb it.
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Post# 40422-6/20/2004-19:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Wow, wow, and double wow)
MESSAGE: Hi Darrel, my new glass insert isn't plexiglas its real live 1/4 inch cut glass so its real heavy, with plexiglas the power of that water force would have thrown it upwards. It's so heavy that I need a suction cup to remove it!
Spray arms evolved because the probably clean better and less broken impellers as well as filtration systems.
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Post# 40423-6/20/2004-20:00 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: They can do pots and pans but you were not suppose to let them sit and let the food dry in them. You were suppose to put them right in the dishwasher and start it as you were putting the food into serving dishes.
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Post# 40424-6/20/2004-20:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1956 Whirlpool A-ok!! Yay!
MESSAGE: That's great Rick, I've made many mistakes like that myself. Including the time I left out the little disk that goes above the ball deep in the sump of the tranny. The washer was very loud during spin and the agitator would not spin at all unless it was being carried by some clothes extending out and touching it.
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Post# 40425-6/20/2004-20:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: A member in Florida found a vintage Westy DW like you describe mint, new in box...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/FUN/MIB_Westy_DW.jpg
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Post# 40426-6/20/2004-20:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Unusual Coin-Ops.
MESSAGE: Yes, the washer you described was exactly and Apex. My ultimate challenge is to find a Apex Bouncing Basket washer, maybe finding the dishwasher is a good omen. The Apex and Philco coin-ops sound VERY COOL to say the least.
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Post# 40427-6/20/2004-20:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Interesting Variation of an ABC-O-Matic...
MESSAGE: That's the ABC Rinser-Wringer Washer, its not an automatic. See the July 1950 Consumer Reports issue from the Vintage Consumer Article Library for more info on this machine.
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Post# 40428-6/20/2004-20:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire gas ranges
MESSAGE: I know that WCI bought Tappan (maybe in the 80's) but still marketed under the Tappan name for quite a while. I don't recall a Frigidaire gas range until the 90's (Tappan style).
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Post# 40429-6/20/2004-20:19 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Has anybody ever seen one of these electric ranges in person? I have a repair-master on electric ranges from the 70's and I believe it was the first all touchpad electronic range. But what I can't remember was if it was a glasstop and how were the surface units controlled; dial or touchpad. Going to have to dig that repair-master out & see!
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Post# 40430-6/20/2004-20:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: It's so sad what GE has become today, with the exception of the Harmony (if Uni owns one, it has to be the best modern GE out there). The spin brake on our 1996 "plastic GE" gave out after only 2 years, causing the tub to spin, more or less "index" during agitation. Now that's quality right there! LOL :)
A late Filter-Flo machine I saw on eBay was from 1995 (and had the white control panel/dials as well which signified the future change to the plastic GE), but I'm not positive on this notion.
--Austin
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Post# 40431-6/20/2004-20:28 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: I ran into a XXX from a referall from the local vac shop.He gave the person my phone# and I enthusatically responded to her.I bought the machine from her-she had just bought the last of the Royal metal classic canister vacs.The store she bought the Royal from didn't want it as a trade in. It was lucky for me.She commented that she used the machine as a girl.It had all of its attachments and the "tools on board" holder that rode on tope of the machine. I inspected the motor and it was prestine.Didn't need any work.The vac didn't have the cord reel.I also have an LX model-bought it at the swap shop I typically get washers from.Was only 15 bucks. The motor in it too was prestine.The bag ejector mechanism was corroded out-unfortunate.It didn't have any attachments or hose.Hoping I can get some of those older classics as trade ins toward Tri Stars.
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Post# 40432-6/20/2004-20:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (all of my pink ones are!!!!)
MESSAGE: You should definitely smash something! Duping appliance collectors who are desperate for a mint-condition James dishwasher is sad.
--Austin
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Post# 40433-6/20/2004-20:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil )
MESSAGE: Is the "tranny oil" used in washer transmissions similar to "gear oil" used in the gearboxes of gearmotors? We have this type of oil out here where I work.Use it in the gearboxes of the transmitter tune motors.It is a very heavyweight oil.Almost like thinned grease.
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Post# 40434-6/20/2004-20:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Another alert for Hey, Remember!
MESSAGE: Washing machines/Detergents starring Greg (gansky1) shows at 10:30 CT (11:30 ET) tonight on HGTV (Ch. 229 on my DirecTV, should be the same on all others)! You can't miss this one!
--Austin
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Post# 40435-6/20/2004-20:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Found this in the Archives... (oil/grease in gearboxes)
MESSAGE: Some gearboxes I've taken apart have an "Axle Grease" type material in them. How this compares to oil is beyond me...
--Austin
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Post# 40436-6/20/2004-20:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (all of my pink ones are!!!!)
MESSAGE: You need to look up the website www.ssiworld.com-they show short film clips of their krusher-shredders grinding up various things.Maybe you'll feel better.
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Post# 40437-6/20/2004-20:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More!
MESSAGE: All with a "thimble" of water...very cool, thanks for the journey through the process of bringing it back to life - the pictures made it look soooo easy! ;-)
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Post# 40438-6/20/2004-20:38 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 FRIG WSH ROLLERMATIC PROBLEM
MESSAGE: Hey Travelin' Man,
If the motor just hums and will not start and has a capacitor in the circuit the capacitor could be bad. They usually have a microfarad rating printed on them (ie 189-227 MFD) I imagine it is a start capacitor rather than a run capacitor. Does it look like a small round bakelite canister? Usually they can be tested but the best way is to just replace- they aren't expensive. I would try that first before thinking about the timer. Can you push the tub in the opposite direction to make it spin?
John
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Post# 40439-6/20/2004-20:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Just like the one I ran into.I liked the polished metal attachments.Even use them with some of my other vacs!The cansister unit on mine needed wiping down.
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Post# 40440-6/20/2004-20:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: Uni, your photos surprised me since the Apex (and Youngstown) DW was rated "Not Acceptable" in the 1952 test of automatic dishwashers. CR's problem probably was that they let the food "sit" instead of loading them up with plates right after they were eaten from. How does the "spin-tube" perform with pots & pans, providing you run it through more than one wash cycle?
--Austin
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Post# 40441-6/20/2004-20:48 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Norge 'Spinomatic' Semi Auto
MESSAGE: This is very cool - thanks for the pictures, keep up the fun!
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Post# 40442-6/20/2004-20:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: That is interesting-the prices of "previously enjoyed" machines is much higher over there.In my area the prices of used washers is usually under $150.The store operators say-the older it is the cheaper it is--They don't generally deal with machines over 30yrs old-They send them to the landfill.I've asked them to keep the old machines and call me if they get any more.Also "pawnshops" here don't deal with washers or other white goods-only things like guns,jewelery,hi-fi and video equipment and musical instruments,sometimes high end vacuum cleaners.I did buy an old pair of Altec speakers from one of the pawnshops here.Great sound for a bargain.I would like to ask the same question if you see this entry-why are your used white goods so expensive?
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Post# 40443-6/20/2004-20:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX
MESSAGE: Wow - you've done a beautiful job on this cleaner, I should get to work on mine...or plop it on ebay! ;-)
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Post# 40444-6/20/2004-21:06 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Another alert for Hey, Remember! (Hey Remember!)
MESSAGE: 11:30PM Pacific Time
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Post# 40445-6/20/2004-21:10 ||| coldspot (ky)
SUBJECT: RE: rare james dishwasher 1951 (which saturday?)
MESSAGE: Hey just seen this item on ebay. Thought you might like to know. It is so cool.
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Post# 40446-6/20/2004-21:29 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac
Second hand shops over here tend to steer away from washers over about 20 years old. Parts for most of these are still available, and they'll normally do a quick repair put a shockingly bad coat of paint on it and resell for $200-$250
I think in Australia, we havent yet become as accustomed to the disposable society as Americans are.
I come from a country family from a middle/lower end financial bracket. When mums old washing machine died, I had a challenge convincing her to spend $1000 on a Whirlpool, when she could buy something cheaper new for $500-600.
Australians still have this price limit between affordable and Expensive, and its at about $500-800. Anything over this is "Too Much" anything under this, is a good deal, anything really cheap, must have something wrong with it.
I know I've rambled a bit, I'll try and summarise.
1) Price is important, $300-$800 is optimal Range
2) Things last for ever (apparantly) so $350 is a good deal on something that new costs $800. (Remember in my Kleenmaid example, new is worth $2000 so $500 is cheap)
3) A lot of people just assume that $400 for a second hand machine is a good deal, even if they save only $300 on new.
4) In my childhood every dollar counted, so a couple of hundred dollars is important.
5) Because as little as $200 is important, they can charge exorbitant prices (Second Hand) and stuff still sells.
I hope this helps somewhat, In Short $200 makes a big difference
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40447-6/20/2004-21:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: eBay James DW
MESSAGE: Here it is! A large capacity 1950's James Automatic Dishwasher with "Sweep-Flow" washing action! This machine appears to be a different model than the one Robert found at an estate sale; maybe a little larger. Seller states that it runs but he hasn't put it through a full cycle yet. Great for any 50's--60's modernist kitchen or collection (if you can handle the high price)! VERY RARE, SO THIS MIGHT BE THE LAST ONE YOU SEE ON EBAY!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3683932227&rd=1
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Post# 40448-6/20/2004-21:33 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values Kath and Kym)
MESSAGE: PS,
There was an Australian Comedy made in the last couple of years, and one scene still highlights the australian dream, for most of the lower classes. While ripping them off very well. I do question whether the Kaths and Kims of Australia get this humour :)
Kim - I want to be effluent(sic) Mum
Kath - You are Effluent(sic), You've got a Hyundai Excel (Cheap Car) to Hightail it around in, a Mobile Phone, A DVD Player and a Half share in a home unit. What more do you want.
LOL
Nathan
LINK: http://www.abc.net.au/kathandkim/
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Post# 40449-6/20/2004-21:48 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers (Barely washed pre rinsed dishes let alone pots/pans)
MESSAGE: Yes, only too well. 3 fills wash, rinse, rinse. Machine wouldn't proceed until water had been heated to 140 degrees. Just sent the orginal operating manual to a buddy of mine in Florida. Regardless of how loaded even empty lower rack not satisfactory at successfully washing glasses, silver or anything in top rack. Like that of all vintage DW (impellor, single arm and turbo spin tube) of 50-60's. At least Westy drawer heated water. Most homes didn't understand and/or have hot water temp high enough, main wash too quick and DW detergents were poor. That in conjunction with not understanding how to load regardless. Early GE, Frigidaire, Westy and KA instructed to "soak" briefly cookware in hot water to loosen soil.
Early 60's KA Superba had idiotic Utility & Utensil cycle. Same a Full cycle less dry time. As not to "bake on" what it didn't get clean. So hand scraping was easier and then to place pots in DW again for Full cycle per operating manual. Go figure? Idea being machine wash cookware while eating dinner. Providing dinning room was very far away. Honey, these old behemoths were loud. Very misleading. Cookware could be emptied of contents prepared, loaded in whatever vintage DW and immediately washed without success. The advertised ability in washing cookware was completely misleading regardless.
I am old enough to remember this. Advent of multiple wash arms, better detergents, understanding of hot water supply and extended wash cycles was the answer in the 70's to successfully washing pots. Those old DW were better than having no dishwasher. I will say that.
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Post# 40450-6/20/2004-21:54 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers (Barely washed pre rinsed dishes let alone pots/pans)
MESSAGE: Just read the 1952 CR Article where they tested automatic dishwashers. Short wash cycles and only 1 rinse on a few machines lead to poor performance overall.
--Austin
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Post# 40451-6/20/2004-21:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Gay Pride Month (Holiday Wishes)
MESSAGE: Happy Pride month to you and Applianceville too! It's always nice when the group gets holiday wishes. Maybe someday we can have an Applianceville float in the parade, I see lots of bubbles :)
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Post# 40452-6/20/2004-22:19 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (load like I did, however...)
MESSAGE: Robert you are a better man than me when it comes to relentless effort in restoring.
That said you load like I do. However, yes skillet and dishes came out clean. Inlet water temp at 140 dropped to 100 understandably. That is a given. By the way round insert was for small glasses and a prayer not to be shattered. Back then folks used small juice/cocktail glasses. Not like super sized today....
So tell me about the cleanliness of items loaded above skillet, bowls and glass pyrex baking dish? Also soil level of silverware and just how clean at end of cycle? Pre rinsed coffee mugs can be mistaken for having been successfully washed.
This website is 99.44% about the vintage clothes washer. My second passion in life(front loaders). Having said that. The DW is my sacred cow. I have forgotten my name, address and to eat a hot meal. I may not know exact model #s which I sooo appreciate members knowledge. However, when it comes to the DW since its conception I know far more than "jack shit".
Only first Hotpoints late 40's instructed loading bottom rack with cookware leaving top rack empty. I used this kowledge loading only top rack of "turbo spin tubes and bottom rack of GE impellor" and damnable KA bottom rack only for pots separate operation in 50-60's. Knowing full well not to expect too much.
Thank you sooo very much for your efforts/pictures. Absolutely fascinating!!! Yes, I am jealous in the best of ways. Load it again exactly like B 4 and place one of soiled plates in top rack above skillet etc. and get back to me? Thanks. Don't bother I already know results. Sweet dreams...
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Post# 40453-6/20/2004-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: Austin, go back and read that article again, the Apex was not rated “Not Acceptable“, but it was rated “Poor“. Those dishes I washed last night with dried on red spaghetti sauce had been sitting for probably 72 hours before they were washed in the Apex and they came out sparkling. With that said I certainly don’t expect it to perform well with pots and pans, what I was surprised at is how well it managed to get the heavy spray up to the upper rack even with a glass Pyrex pan and frying pan in the bottom rack.
With my ‘56 spray tube Frigidaire I never have to run it with more than one cycle, dishes and glasses come out wonderful every time. It does do a fine job with pots and pans, if I make sure nothing is sticking to them. But it is a real luxury now to have two dishwashers in the kitchen. I can wash the glasses, mugs, dishes, mixing bowls, silverware and coffee pots in the vintage dishwasher every few days with its 20 minute cycle and once a week or so I run the modern dw to wash the posts, pans with its 2.5 hour cycle. What’s nice about using the vintage dw for the tableware is that it is not subjected to the intense washing that a modern dishwasher gives, it is way overkill and totally unnecessary for the dishes, especially vintage 50’s dishes that should be handled with more care. I’m sorry but my personal expeience with vintage dishwashers has shown me that they clean much better than many of you remember. I can say this because I’m not going by a 30 year old memory I’m going by my current experience. I have them hooked up and I use them and I only scrape the dishes and make sure no large chunks of food are left. With that said dishwasher detergent has improved dramatically over the years, I wonder how a chemical formula of vintage dishwasher detergent would perform in a modern dishwasher???
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Post# 40454-6/20/2004-22:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay James DW
MESSAGE: Very cool, another James dishwasher, how fun! I sure do hope it goes to a nice home in Applianceville. They made two models this one was the lower end model without the water heater. There is no such thing as a "Large Capacity James". The machine I have is very similar, but has a water heater and a second knob to select the 180 degree final rinse. No matter though, its a wonderful machine to have, I would expect that it needs some work, just because the machine turns on doesn't mean it works properly or doesn't leak. As everyone saw with the pictures of the Dish-A-Matic, anything can be restored back to its original operational condition.
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Post# 40455-6/20/2004-22:39 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Robert:
Great pics of the Apex. When I saw them, I wondered- how long have you been washing your Blue Heaven dinnerware in the dishwasher, and how well has it held up?
Blue Heaven is one of several collectible patterns from Royal China, and its glaze can craze sometimes. I own some Star Glow (same body and glaze as Blue Heaven, with a design of gold 'stars' that look more like snowflakes). I've had a couple of pieces get glaze cracks in a modern DW, however I realise that vintage DW's are a different animal.
Just wondering if you've had any of the Royal China problems that collectors dread. I've taken to washing my Star Glow by hand, since it's the rare first version from 1961, on the Futura shape, with the HTF white coffee cups with gold stars on them, not the later solid mustard-gold cups.
Maybe I should set my sights on an older DW?
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Post# 40456-6/20/2004-22:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (load like I did, however...)
MESSAGE: Hi Partycycle, I do not prerinse anything, except for pots and pans. The glasses and mugs were clean and smelled clean above the skillet and baking dish, I was surprise to see as much water hitting the glass above them as it did. The silverware was all spotless too.
Load it again exactly like B 4 and place one of soiled plates in top rack above skillet etc. and get back to me?
Can't be done, a dish wouldn't fit in the top rack. :)
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Post# 40457-6/20/2004-22:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: I don't know they seem like there in fine shape, what happens with the glaze on a dish crazes? I've been washing them in the DW ever since I got them, I've picked up pieces here and there a estate sales, I must have 20 dishes now.
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Post# 40458-6/20/2004-22:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Maytag Wringers...
MESSAGE: I just finished watching the Washing Machines segment on Hey, Remember! with all of those neat machines (I wonder whose collection that is ;-). That Westy Laundromat sure is something; that sloshy, splashy action even with a low water level just can't be seen in pictures. However, the machine that caught my eye was the '67 Maytag Wringer. The turnover rate is really impressive and it looks like it can hold a large load! So far I haven't found one I liked yet; like the Electrolux XXX there are numerous examples but none is perfect...yet. Nothing short of amazing seeing one in action!
--Austin
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Post# 40459-6/20/2004-23:04 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Robert:
Crazing on a dish means the clear glaze cracks- not the dish itself, just the glaze. I've had one piece of Star Glow get a couple of big cracks in the glaze, and another got the fine, 'eggshell' cracks. Some collectors report substantial problems with Royal China, some have none at all.
Star Glow and Blue Heaven (and the beautiful, but HTF Santa Fe) were often bought as grocery-store premiums- you know, buy $10 worth of groceries and get a dinner plate for 29 cents. So, they were inexpensive stuff new. I have eight full places of Star Glow, including a lot of HTF pieces.
Based on your experience, I'm really wondering if my modern DW had something to do with my problem. It's a Hotpoint convertible, and I hate it anyway, because of poor washing and a horrible lower rack design- you know that cutout for the wash tower, and that silly row of finger racks to hold bowls.
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Post# 40460-6/20/2004-23:05 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Thats about the same situation on vacuum cleaners in my area-you find either real cheap vacuums-Dirt Devils,Hoovers,Eurikas,etc.You don't see any mid priced vacs such as Royal classic metal uprights or canisters.Same with Dysons.when I sell the Tri-Stars-usually the machines offered for trade ins are the inexpensive vacs listed above-or 10 and 20 year old Kirby's,Rainbows,and Electroluxes.Last weekend the person I sold to had an older model Tri-Star wich she wanted to keep-and give to her sister.I and my freind are in the process of cleanin g it up-fixing whats broke and getting a power nozzle for it.We still gave her a discount.Whats really weird is the local vacuum dealer sold lots of the Royal products-we haven't seen any-strange-where did they go?It sounds like people keep their machines longer in your area.They may also take better care of them.So it would sound like the supply of used machines in Australia is pretty low compared to US.Products such as washers,dryers,vacuum cleaners,lawn mowers -in the US these products are those that people have to have but don't want to use.-So they take it out on them.They are the "Rodney Dangerfeilds" of appliances-"I don't get any respect"People abuse those above mentioned appliances or trade them in frequently.
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Post# 40461-6/20/2004-23:14 ||| rubberscrubber (tampa fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: plastic ge washer transmissions were axed in 97 they are now all steel drive , other modifications were made after their disastrous redesign in 95, although they are nothing near the quality they once were they are at least much improved , some of their current models now offer a full 10 year parts and labor in home warrenty on entire machine , thats pretty impressive .
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Post# 40462-6/20/2004-23:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Hi Sandy, now you got me interested. So I went downstairs and looked, I have 18 Blue Haven Plates and 7 bowls, only 1 dish has some crackling in the glaze. The bowls are all fine too. They have all been mostly washed in vintage dishwashers since I had them. There was a period of eight months or so where they were washed in our modern dw, but those days thankfully are over!
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Post# 40463-6/20/2004-23:20 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: "shockingly bad coats of paint" unfortunately-the swap shops and second stores around here try to do that as well.Accidently spilled some detergent on a machine bought from them-it turned from white to Almond!!-asked them to take it back-they did and got a machine with its ORIGINAL paint-enamel job.Also in one machine I had to adjust the deph of water fill from the NEW water level selector they put in the machine-same with adjusting belt tensions.Oh well-part of the fun.
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Post# 40464-6/20/2004-23:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: How come one sees more scrapped GE machines than others-I go to the swap shops around here and most of the dead ones are GE's,WCI products and some newer Maytag products-the GE's scrap pile was the largest.The shop operators copmplained a lot about the new GE's-they were even debating sending them to the "krusher" rather than selling them.
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Post# 40465-6/20/2004-23:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: Personally I think that giving the agitator a shorter stroke is a lot harder on the transmission as well as the clothes unfortunate enough to be thrown in it, since it has to work hard & fast at the same time. Robert's Norge lasted 44 years without a restoration (he did end up doing a complete restoration after it had some sand disposal and slow spin/agitation) since it has the longest, slowest stroke of any machine I've watched. I looked at the other photos and the gears didn't have any wear at all; they looked brand new.
--Austin
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Post# 40466-6/20/2004-23:33 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: Robert:
Crazing usually has to do with heat, or with temperature variations. My guess is that a harsh drying element in a DW could do it (like my Hotpoint's, grrrrh!), or taking a dish right from the fridge, and running it in the DW immediately could also do it.
Actually, when you consider that most of the collectible Royal patterns were grocery store premiums, the survival rate is remarkable. Michael Pratt, the guy who wrote three books on Mid-Century China for Schiffer Books, says that Curtis Fahnert, the designer for Royal China, says that some patterns sold millions of pieces. People liked the stuff because it was modern-looking but it didn't cost much to buy. A & P was one of the store chains that sold a lot of Royal; they sold Blue Heaven, Star Glow, and Santa Fe, plus Currier & Ives, which was more traditional.
I would not be afraid to use your Blue Heaven if I were you- yours seems to be doing fine, and the stuff is plentiful. My Star Glow is rarer, because it has dishes in a shape that was made for only a few years. They kept making the pattern on another shape for a number of years more, and that's what most Star Glow collectors have.
OH, for a wonderful 1966 KitchenAid Superba- now there's a machine with gentle drying. And a turquoise DW goes SO well with gold and white dishes, n'est-ce pas?
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Post# 40467-6/20/2004-23:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Got the Filter-Flo (more accurate mod number)
MESSAGE: Agreed with you on trhese points-the short rapid strokes-the tranny parts are running at higher speeds-motor speed in the case of DD.In the BD-the large pully on the transmission ment it turned at slower speeds-easier on the gears.Also bet the gears in that old Norge transmission(44 yrs.) were made of machined steel-not pot metal or plastic or stamped metal.I also agree with you-clothes washed in the modern short rapid stroke agitate cycles last less too.Like trying to wash your clothes with a roto tiller.
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Post# 40468-6/20/2004-23:48 ||| rubberscrubber (tampa fl)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: robert, that dishwashers pretty cool im shocked how well the impeller pushes the water up to the top rack . thanks for sharing,all your hard work you do to show us pics and videoes of you vintage machines its much appreciated !!!
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Post# 40469-6/21/2004-00:10 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Robert's Blue Heaven)
MESSAGE: I've learned not to be shocked any longer about anything that happens here. ;-)
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Post# 40470-6/21/2004-00:51 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Norge FL (1950)
MESSAGE: Does anyone have a Norge FL Automatic, Norge's first entry into the automatic washer field? That looks like a fun machine to use because it holds the largest capacity of the early automatics--18 1/2 lbs compared to the 8-10 lb. loads most automatics held. Talk about "family size!" In the Consumer Reports article, they even mentioned that the capacity was "unusually larger" than the other machines. Little did they know that, starting in the 70's, this would be a common capacity of many automatics of that era (1-18 for example)!
--Austin
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Post# 40471-6/21/2004-02:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Apex impeller action
MESSAGE: Without even having a clear lid to watch the action in my '62 Kenmore, I KNOW it isn't getting the water to the upper rack like the Apex does. My KM uses the tube to spin the upper rack, but it doesn't always work unless the basket is balanced correctly and I definately notice that the dishes in the Roto-Rack don't get clean unless it rotates. This tells me that the impeller is really only reaching the lower rack, unlike the impeller in teh Apex. I've only seen 3 styles of impellers so far, the Apex one and the KM (D&M) impellers are similar, but I've seen ones in early GE machines that look sort of like a metal bow tie shape.
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Post# 40472-6/21/2004-05:11 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 65 FRIG WSH ROLLERMATIC PROBLEM (bad cpctr)
MESSAGE: thanks John, yea I will start with replacing the capacitor, which is leaking or oozing some white powder like a bad battery and yes it is a "canister" mounted to the rear access plate. I cannot get the machine to spin, just agitate, again because the motor will not seem to reverse ....... I wonder if that is a capacitor issue too?
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Post# 40473-6/21/2004-05:23 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (vintage DW perf)
MESSAGE: I have to agree with Robert, my vintage DW's, impeller and spin tube type too, all do a great job with 140 degree water and no pre-rinsing. My only exception is anything really baked or stuck on may not come off in the impeller machine, but will in the older Kitchen Aid's with the cast iron spray arm and my 60's and 70's machines with spray arms.
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Post# 40474-6/21/2004-05:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex impeller action
MESSAGE: I think the metal bow tie, came out in '59? give or take a year (after the bakelite impeller) and only lasted through '62-63; I have a mint '63 supposedly the first GE with a spray arm and tower for the upper rack.
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Post# 40475-6/21/2004-05:29 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX (Motor short)
MESSAGE: When I got into themotor everything looked pretty good But I found a Short in one of the windings.I`ve fixed that and cleaned everything but Im not putting it back together until I find (or make) the three rubber motor mounts.Sandy of Jetsetmodern gave me the name of a guy on ebay that sells parts, maby Ill find them there. Everybody have a good week!
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Post# 40476-6/21/2004-05:32 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I haven't seen a touch'n cook Frigidaire in at least 10 years.The ones I remember had the glasstop(made by Corning I believe),and the surface units were operated by touchpad.I don't remember a lot of problems with the ranges,but then there weren't a whole lot of them out there,either.
A friend of ours had one in her kitchen. Talk about 70's! She had dark cabinets,black countertops,and poppy red Frigidaire appliances!
kennyGF
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Post# 40477-6/21/2004-07:18 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Well this evening Michael suggested we should go for another drive, and low and behold we stumbled accross another Whirlpool, BOL with Sudsaver, 2 Speed and Recirculating Lint Filter, Plastic Tub ring, in good condition, and he just had to have it. His reasoning is, that we can have two whirlpools at home, and should something happen to one of them, we can just swap the other over and put it in its place. Then get rid of all the new washers.
So we picked it up, and I started pointing out that if he could bring home every whirlpool he wanted, why couldnt I have the Norge.
So with some coaxing my point was proven, and now I have a norge sitting the garage.
It looks like the transmission has sprung a leak at some point, the bottom the machine is covered in oil. I've had to promise though that I wont touch either of them until my exam is over :(
So now, we have 1.5 whirlpools on the curb. (The other .5 is the washbowl and outer tub, with spin brake attached, its in the carport.
In the Garage we now have a BOL Whirlpool, I would say one of the very last models. A Norge Semi Auto, The Whirlpool that'll go into use in the Laundry, The whirlpool with the Bakelite Agi, an old Hoover that belongs to Michaels old Flatmate, and the Simpson thats currently in the Laundry.
You were right Uni, we've become a 6 washer family. :)
I dont know that someone is too happy about it, but I pointed out the Norge can always go to the tip.
Anywho, hugs guys. I'll post pics soon
TTFN
Nathan
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Post# 40478-6/21/2004-07:25 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Vintage DW with Pots and Pans)
MESSAGE: My friend in the appliance business (he sells for Expo Design Center), says that in the last four years or so the detergent mfgrs. have introduced very powerful enzyme type detergents. So powerful in fact the mfrgs. beg the sales people to warn users of new dishwashers to leave food residue on all dishes placed in the machine or risk "etching"! I would imagine the new formula's would have a significant impact on how an older machine performs as well.
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Post# 40479-6/21/2004-08:07 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Apex impeller action
MESSAGE: Our 57 HP used a curved fin bakelite impeller.
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Post# 40480-6/21/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (I'm thrilled you brought home the Norge!)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, congrats on bringing home that wonderful Norge. When you get a chance I would love to see a better picture of it's tub (or as you guys say wash bowl) and agitator.
By the way, looks like your going to have to change the oil seal in your transmission. I have a few extra Norge New-Old-Stock tranny oil seals if you need one. Please let me know.
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Post# 40481-6/21/2004-08:50 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I bought my mom a Touch'n Cook range in 1975, it was so cool and so typical of GM-Frigidaire technology (sigh....) The only problem was that the corning glass top wasnt the greatest at heating very fast. I remember that you could set the burners to automatically shut off with a timer. The major problems they had were with the contacts between the circuit board and the touch panel.... In the late 70's (77?)Frigidaire made a Touch 'n Cook with the standard monotube burners. When I bought a WCI/Frigidaire range in 1984 (based on the old Kelvinator style), they offered a Touch 'n Cook model as well.....
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Post# 40482-6/21/2004-08:53 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (vintage DW "
ditto"
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MESSAGE: Me too, Greg... my 64 Spin-tube is connected and I always use it when we have company to wash all the plates and cups, leaving the 97 Frigidaire Precision Wash for the pots and pans. I use a tablet in the Spin-tube, although I prefer powders. It seems to me that vintage Cascade (with chlorine) did a much better job at cleaning than any of the current crap on the market
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Post# 40483-6/21/2004-09:03 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Surgilator Agitator -Not a Knock Knock (spin clutch adjustment)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
I'm not absolutely certain, but I think all Australian made Whirlpools use the stud adjustment.
It always interests me, designs from overseas are often adopted for Aus production, but from the time of introduction, they evolve differently in each country, and sometimes end up quite different. Sometimes the model marches on overseas but stays the same over here (eg Frigidaire Pulsamatic mechanism) other times it changes more here than in its original market (eg Hoover FL).
Chris.
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Post# 40484-6/21/2004-09:28 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac
The prices Nathan showed were expensive for here too. That's why he didn't buy.
New cheap junk washers start about $390. That's AU$, which are about US75c I think at present. Good ones start about $500, eg F&P Pride, which is a 5.5kg Ecosmart with minimal options. Hoover and Simpsons start around there too. You would expect to pay $900 to $1000 for a 7 or 8 kg F&P, Simpson, Hoover, Westinghouse, LG TL. FL's start $500 for Haier, $600 for Chinese Whirlpool, $699 for Simpson (made by Zanussi) and so on up. Once you take the dollar coversion into account, the prices aren't THAT much more expensive. I think wages are generally higher here too.
Also there is a cultural difference. I have to speak carefully here, I don't want to offend, but I think most Aussies would consider American habits of replacing appliances just because they are getting a bit old as terribly wasteful. I think we are culturally a bit more frugal. I know several people around here with ugly scratched old washers with peeling paint and signs of rust. The owners are waiting for them to die and will then replace them, but they would not consider throwing them out when still working. Old Whirlpools, twenty and more year old Simpsons and Hoovers are quite commonly purchased for family use, not just as collectors items. So basically, they just keep their value longer. We still have thriving reconditioning businesses too, giving these older machines a new lease of life. New machines have fallen in price so much lately that I can see they have a difficult future, but so far they are still holding on.
Chris.
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Post# 40485-6/21/2004-09:37 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Hey Steve,
Thanks for sharing those memories! I have a friend that owns an appliance store. In his scrap pile I found a Corning electric range from the 70's. I do remember these as being slow to heat, (much like those Euro cast iron burners from the 80's). I also remember the white glass would yellow and crack. I'm not sure if Corning made their own ranges or they were mfg by someone else and put their glasstop on them.
It's funny that some ppl think glasstops are a new idea. Everything old is new again. (ie f/l washers too)
John
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Post# 40486-6/21/2004-09:46 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX (Motor short- PARTS SOURCE)
MESSAGE: Don:
The eBay seller I told you about also sells direct. His name is Dick Riggs, and his email address is vacuumman@olynet.com.
I've bought a very HTF part from him, and he was extremely patient and courteous helping me make sure it was the right thing. Charlie Lester speaks well of him, too. He is a former Electrolux employee who has struck out on his own, I understand, so he really knows his stuff.
Hope this helps you.
Sandy
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Post# 40487-6/21/2004-10:34 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Hi John,
Although I'm not sure about later production, I do know that the first Corning Ranges were built on GM-Frigidaire units. The design of the oven, with the lt grey porcelain, is a definite GM product.............
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Post# 40488-6/21/2004-11:04 ||| magic clean (Florida)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: Steve, that is a nice story. I have a friend here in town who has the touch n cook wall oven and cooktop. They are about 33 y.o. and only an element or two have required attention.
The service manager of Frigidaire Factory Service in Tampa, used to jokingly refer to these as "Touch n Hope". With the extreme summer lightning storms here, many of these appliances did not stand up to power surges and the like.
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Post# 40489-6/21/2004-11:13 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Nathan, that's wonderful news that the Norge has been rescued. I hope your exams go well and we will see some more detailed pictures. Just one question, the big dial on the right, it looks like a timer, but does it have only three positions?
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Post# 40490-6/21/2004-11:13 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT: Painting a washer
MESSAGE: Hi Guys, Happy Summer... I have a question, I want to sand down my old wringer and give her a nice new paint job, she has some surface rust, can anyone tell me how to do this, what kind of sand paper do I use and where can I get the paint to make it look new and shiny again? And is it easy to apply the paint, Thanks guys for everything, p.s there is a easy washer on ebay in Seattle, my dream come true,
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3731077649&rd=1
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Post# 40491-6/21/2004-12:13 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (The downside of being frugal)
MESSAGE: "...American habits of replacing appliances just because they are getting a bit old as terribly wasteful. I think we are culturally a bit more frugal. I know several people around here with ugly scratched old washers with peeling paint and signs of rust. The owners are waiting for them to die and will then replace them, but they would not consider throwing them out when still working..."
The downside of this is that you see fewer vintage machines in good cosmetic shape, which are desired by collectors. Naturally, collectors don't want to have to perform a full restoration on every machine they acquire. Sure, an old machine can be reconditioned, and many are, but here you could find, say, a 1970's Belt-Drive Kenmore 90 Series in excellent original condition. Collectors' main desires are machines in excellent shape to begin with, and if people are frugal with appliances in Minneapolis, then that would never happen. Being wasteful with appliances is a boon for collectors here, as long as they aren't sent off to the krusher. Then we have a problem.
I am, however, quite happy to see that people care about older machines in Australia; I wish there was more of that here. Not very many people I know have bought a 20-year-old Whirlpool BD used, or still using one they've bought new, either. They usually end up getting rid of it just because it looks bad, and replaced it with a flimsy plastic machine. I'd rather have an ugly washer if it's 100% mechanically sound and works well (i.e. a Harvest-Gold Westinghouse FL). When our DD Kenmore dies, I'm going vintage; an 80's Filter-Flo or 70's-80's WP/KM BD is quite common down here. The only machines I would consider buying new are the GE Harmony and Speed Queen. The others, forget it. YUK!
--Austin
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Post# 40492-6/21/2004-12:33 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Built-in Westinghouse TL Dishwashers
MESSAGE: I grew up with one of those. It was actually a combination sink/dishwasher unit, in a free standing white metal cabinet that was probably 4-5' wide. The sink was to the left, with storage underneath, and the DW was to the right with a big drainboard on top of it. It was EXACTLY as you described, a big drawer style unit, one latch near the top and the cycle indicator dial near the bottom that was partly visible and rotated through the cycle. I forgot about the mesh detergent cup. I recall my parents replacing the bakelite ?? impeller in the bottom once or twice when silverware ?? fell out of the basket and it broke. It was like an boat propeller, on a vertical axis down in the bottom. It had a blower to dry the dishes too. My parents bought the house in 1950, so I suspect it was purchased sometime mid-50's. I loaded and unloaded a lot of Fiesta Ware in that machine. Its demise in 1972 prompted my Dad to do a 1974 kitchen remodel and replace it with a TOL Kitchen Aid Superba built-in ... KDS-21? (I lobbied for that one), which was still running strong when we sold the house in '98. I see another post about Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook stoves.. we had one of those too... purchased in 1974 for almost $700, harvest gold, of course. Wow, memory lane
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Post# 40493-6/21/2004-12:52 ||| mesabdb (Arizona)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I talked my parents into buying a harvest gold Touch 'n Cook as part of the 1974 kitchen remodel; almost $700 as I recall, a LOT of cash at the time. I recall thinking it was just the coolest, sleekest thing, a MAJOR step up from the 20" wide electric stove it replaced, circa early 50's. It had a white Corning Glass top, and the controls were all touchpad (touted as cleaning simplicity). Yes, one of the burners had a timer that would shut it off automatically; its usefulness was limited. The temperature control was not good, burners would sometimes get real hot and then cycle off. We replaced the control panel once, under warranty. The broil function could be set on a 1-5 temperature scale, and the self-clean oven was a one button function. Lock the door, touch "clean," and walk away for 3+ hrs. Frigidaire made some really cool appliances!!!
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Post# 40494-6/21/2004-14:22 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (The downside of being frugal)
MESSAGE: Hi:
I don't remember exactly when taking care of things stopped, but it seems to have been in the later 60's, when everyone was buying a lot of new stuff- the Vietnam years made the economy boom, even if the war itself was horrendous.
In the 1950s, I remember that Jubilee kitchen wax was a staple in every household- you used it on appliances to help keep them from rusting, since home air-conditioning was still very rare. You can still get it today- it's a Johnson Wax product. A little hard to find, but worth it. If you'll use it on painted appliances, they'll look new much, much longer, and your kitchen will smell like the '50s, to boot.
I have a DD Whirly washer with matching dryer from 1988; both of them still look very good, thanks to Jubilee. Touch-up paint helps, too, LOL.
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Post# 40495-6/21/2004-14:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the chlorine!)
MESSAGE: I agree, I've been able to find chlorinated dishwasher detergent at different places under generic brand names, some even have phosphates to soften the water which helps tremendously if you don't have soft/softened water. Many times I use a dose of enzyme detergent in the 1st wash cup and the chlorinated version in the main wash. Enzymes work better at lower temps, cold dishes, tank, etc. and the chlorinated type works better with higher temps later in the cycle. There's nothing like a little bleach to keep those plastic deviled egg keepers sparkling!
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Post# 40496-6/21/2004-14:27 ||| Thirtyater (owensboro ky)
SUBJECT: late 50's GE Filter Flo
MESSAGE: Where do you collectors find these late 50's washers? I never see them around here. I am looking for a GE Filter Flo about 1958.
Thanks
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Post# 40497-6/21/2004-14:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire Touch 'n Cook
MESSAGE: I've seen several of these at sales, beautiful ranges indeed. An aunt had one in MN which she loathed, it was very slow to heat and the glass top didn't hold up well. One of the worst of these I remember was a friend's Tappan (early 70's) that had individual glass burners surrounded by metal frames. Talk about hard to clean, and the glass itself was stained and turned grey over time. Nasty beast suffered a tragic impact to a burner and was replaced with a smooth-top GE - much improved from the Tappan.
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Post# 40498-6/21/2004-14:33 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: late 50's GE Filter Flo
MESSAGE: Sometimes on ebay, but by putting the word out there to every recycler, appliance dealer, and estate sale you can find ........... it takes alot of work, but you will find one or two that will help you with a monetary incentive on your part. That is how I found almost all my stuff over the last two years and with ALOT of luck and "word of mouth" too ......
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Post# 40499-6/21/2004-15:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Next thing manufacturers need to do is bring back the phosphate detergents, like 60's formula Tide. Maybe we could re-create it somehow, if somebody gets ahold of the Tide formula at that time...
Why were phosphates discontinued in the first place?
--Austin
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Post# 40500-6/21/2004-16:02 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Just call me Mr. Maytag
MESSAGE: Found a Neptune MAH4000 in excellent cosmetic condition Sunday afternoon.
Hooked it up and it appears to do everything but spin.
I was chatting with Greg (ganski) and he memtioned that someone posted that there is a way to repair the motor boards.
Can anyone help me? Sure would appreciate. If I can get this up and running, it will go to mom (she doesn't need a window!)
Steve1-18
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Post# 40501-6/21/2004-16:04 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Austin:
Phosphates (in their 1960's form) contributed a lot of pollution to lakes and streams. Basically, the problem they cause is over-nourishment of algae and aquatic weeds, throwing aquatic ecosystems way off balance, and sometimes even choking the water to the point that fish cannot survive in it. We think of the '60s at 'the good old days', but pollution was something FIERCE at the time.
I think phosphates have somehow been 'tamed' recently, and they're being used again to a limited extent. But they really were nasty business in their old form.
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Post# 40502-6/21/2004-16:18 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Look what I Found)
MESSAGE: May have found a solution. Check out the link.
LINK: http://members.shaw.ca/gavb/
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Post# 40503-6/21/2004-16:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Look what I Found)
MESSAGE: Maytag FL's have always been lemons; nothing new. Is there a working 1960's Maytag Combo in existence? I highly doubt it. What makes the Combos so complicated to fix?
--Austin
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Post# 40504-6/21/2004-16:32 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (I'm thrilled you brought home the Norge!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert :)
I would say that I will once I get it pulled down. Thankyou for the offer, I'll let you know how I go. Once I get some new batteries for the Digital Camera, I'll post some pics. The wiring diagram is in the control panel, and its an incredibley simple machine. I overspec'd its specifications, I now know that its just a tap on/off fill.
Michael isnt overly happy about it being here, I'll have to try and squirrel it away and cover it up before he gets home. He claims is ugly, and I do admit it looks very hulking next to the smooth lines of the whirlpool. The Norge's cabinet seems huge.
The whirlpool we picked up last night runs ok, but I think its going to need new bearings. Its noisy during spin from the bowl and during agitate, but no leaks or pump/motor noise. That will be a much bigger challenge for me. I could always just swap the bowl/basket drive for the one in the carport, but where would the fun be in that :)
Anywho, I better go,
Have a good day
Nathan
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Post# 40505-6/21/2004-16:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (Controls on the Norge Semi Auto)
MESSAGE: Hi Foraloysius,
The Little control is just timer. Its not electrical, it functions with a spring and when it reaches the off position it just opens 2 contacts, cutting the power.
The big nob has 3 positions, Wash, Spin and Heat.
You set the big knob to the action you want, and then turn the timer on, and off it goes.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40506-6/21/2004-18:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Maytag POD
MESSAGE: So I'm guessing that the all pushbutton washer came out before the all pushbutton dryer? And notice, no way to change water levels, unlike other pushbutton washers. The ad claims to set the water level automatically, but how could it possibly know what size load is in the machine?
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Post# 40507-6/21/2004-18:02 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Norge has come home. With Another Whirlpool (Controls on the Norge Semi Auto)
MESSAGE: Hi Foraloysius,
The Little control is just timer. Its not electrical, it functions with a spring and when it reaches the off position it just opens 2 contacts, cutting the power.
The big nob has 3 positions, Wash, Spin and Heat.
You set the big knob to the action you want, and then turn the timer on, and off it goes.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40508-6/21/2004-18:09 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD (water levels)
MESSAGE: Actually you can set the water level, I have this ad framed in my room. Ther are repeated cycles with full load or half load, like whites full load, and whites half load.
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Post# 40509-6/21/2004-18:16 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: I have a question for all of you commerciaal machine experts. For those of you that don't know, (and I think that is everyone), I now work at the YMCA, I wash towels. Anyway one of the dryers I use has a problem, it tends to smell like fried puke while it is running, this makes it really hard to use without puking yourself. Is there any way to deodorize it? Should I buy a chemical of some sort? Also it seems to have a problem lighting its flame, it will sometimes but it sometimes also just starts pouring natural gas into the room which is dangerous due to the other open flame dryer next to it. any help would be appreciated.
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Post# 40510-6/21/2004-18:21 ||| Suzieb (kansas city)
SUBJECT: 50s Roper Gas Range
MESSAGE: Hello all,
I have a 1950s (late, I think) Roper Gourmet gas range that has been 'condemned' by the gas company. Apparently it was leaking a little lethal amount of gas......Anyway, now I am looking for a new home for it, a home that will love the range as much as I have. It is in near perfect cosmetic condition, one minor blemish in the white paint, and I have the manuals and rotisserie accessories. It could be a 'guts only' refurbish. Anyone know what I might be able to get for this and where I might be able to sell it?
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Post# 40511-6/21/2004-18:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (used washers)
MESSAGE: Actually, people in the US usually won't throw something out until it stops working, too, depends on your income level. How many times it has to be repaired seems to be the key. Usually the 4th time it has to be repaired, unless it's a minor thing, is when a machine gets tossed. The shorter the interval between repairs, the more likely it gets tossed. low income people cruise the streets, and will often pick up a tossed washer or dishwasher, take it home, repair it, and either use it themselves or give it to friends or relatives who don't have these "luxury" items. Upper income people are more likely to replace a washer just to get the "new features" or they remodel and don't want anything "old" spoiling the "newness" of the re-model.
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Post# 40512-6/21/2004-18:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD (water levels)
MESSAGE: Yes, I see that now that I looked at the buttons again. Didn't later versions have even MORE buttons?
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Post# 40513-6/21/2004-18:32 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer (stinky dryer)
MESSAGE: Brand? Model? Household type commercial or large laundramat commericial type?
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Post# 40514-6/21/2004-18:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 50s Roper Gas Range (leaking gas)
MESSAGE: Did they show you where it was leaking? If you really like the range, I can't imagine that it can't be repaired, leaks are relatively easy to fix, don't give up so easily.
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Post# 40515-6/21/2004-18:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Jubilee kitchen wax)
MESSAGE: check the archives, there was a whole discussion on Jubilee and how to buy it.
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Post# 40516-6/21/2004-18:55 ||| arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)
SUBJECT: A very qucik hello!
MESSAGE: I am on Holiday and taking five minutes with my parents computer.
I am thrilled to see all these great Aussie washers around!
Especially the Norge. The fully Auto version of that Machine is featured in Choice magazines very detailed report in 1964.
I have a photocopy of the article so if I get to a scanner I will and try and post it. Brisnat, make a trip to the state Library in Brisbane, you should be able to fine all the old choice magazines there and you can copy all the washer tests. They really make great reading.
Have fun and looking forward to more pictures.
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Post# 40517-6/21/2004-19:29 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: How do you know what fried puke is like? 8^) Anyway,you need to see if there isn't a dead rodent or two inside the dryer somewhere slowly disintegrating.
Concerning the gas problem,is it a standing pilot,or electronic ignition? Could be a dirty pilot,that keeps going out.Sounds like it's time for the repair man.
kennyGF
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Post# 40518-6/21/2004-19:34 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Maytag POD (water levels)
MESSAGE: Was it this series that had the water level settings in the lid?
kennyGF
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Post# 40519-6/21/2004-20:08 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: And what a scandal it fueled too! I've read appliance service manuals from that time (late 60's - early 70's) about the increased algae growth in rivers and streams but also that much of this is/was actually caused by runoff of farmland chemicals, fertilizers, etc. (which is a whole other can of worms!) and that the phosphates used in detergents and cleaning products accounted for less than 5% of the total amount in the enviornment reduced further by treatment of sewage in municipal water systems. A while back, I posted a scathing article from the head home economist at Speed Queen/McGraw Edison which was only one of many from economists at various manufacturer's labs condemning the removal of phosphates from laundry and cleaning products. The food-grade phosphates used as preservatives accounted for a significant portion as well, but there has never been an outcry to eliminate them from Dolly Madison's recipies. Since those scandalous days, detergent manufacturers have developed formulas that perform as well or better than products with phosphates but many still swear by them, have a look at the laundry forum on the Garden Web. I have bought STPP (sodium tri-poly phosphate) for laundry use and found it to be very effective in hard water. I have softened water now and don't use STPP as often, but there are times when it does give an added boost for especially dirty things.
And McDonald's french-fries have never been the same since they took out the lard and tallow! ;-)
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Post# 40520-6/21/2004-20:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: My latest project, Electrolux XXX (Motor short)
MESSAGE: I guess I was lucky with mine.The owner was still using it before she got the new Royal canister vac.Those old orig "lux "motors were especially durable.
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Post# 40521-6/21/2004-20:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...)
MESSAGE: There is a brand new one - never used - at the Maytag factory store in Newton, IA. But we can assume from their previous track record that if it did run, it wouldn't work for long...
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Post# 40522-6/21/2004-20:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Call a qualified tech for service - these machines are nothing to be poking around in with the danger of leaking gas, etc.
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Post# 40523-6/21/2004-20:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: more pics (Oz Used Washer Values)
MESSAGE: From reading Nathans and your posts-it sounds like people in your area do keep their machines longer.Yes there are some folks here in the states that keep their machines until they die and rust apart as well.Then there are some that have to have the "latest and greatest" model-so they get rid of their old ones and get the new "wiz-bang" model even though their old one was working just fine.Kinda like cars.Its also like what one other person mentioned on this-when someone remodels their house-they get rid of all the older machines and replace them.The old ones were probably working just fine-just didn't want the old with the new.Anyway-gets more machines for us older appliance lovers!I guess with the dollar difference between Australia and US-then the prices are not too much different.The appliance store here was selling the FP washber set for close to the price you mentioned.They sell the "Dishdrawer" dishwasher for about $1200 US dollars per drawer.And the dealer says they have sold several in my area.My wages are higher than average for my area.Sadly many industries here have closed or cut back.Textile manufacturing was very common here-not its about disappeared.Tobacco was common as well(the major industry here)it is drastically cut back.There used to be a Pillowtex factory near here and a mill that made fabric for the Cannon towels.
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Post# 40524-6/21/2004-20:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Leaking NG isn't something to be taken lightly as mentioned-can cause nasty fires or destructive explosions-the machines in your facility shouldn't be used until the bad one is repaired.Does the manager or owner of your facility know about the leak?
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Post# 40525-6/21/2004-20:43 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Sounds like fun Steve!)
MESSAGE: Steve,
There you go again with the Maytag's.
That sounds like a neat machine. I am not up on the Neptune's model numbers. Is it one with the dial instead of the computer screen?
Call Maytag. Tell them you bought it used if all else. I think they are replacing the boards on all of them without argument. Just don't let them see that you have a a few hundred vintage machines lying around!
Also tell them that you want a door with a window!
Brent
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Post# 40526-6/21/2004-20:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: I would think the defective dryer should be brought to the managments attention immediately.As one other says-the smell must be from a dead mouse or rat that died in the machine.The only cure for that is to remove the body.It does sound like a tech will have to be called in to fix the bad machine before it blows up or burns down the place.
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Post# 40527-6/21/2004-20:46 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: I took the back plate off and removed the capacitor and when I did and then removed the cap, one of the terminals fell right off and is corroded. So I need a new one part # 5526140; 124-149 MFD < (what does that mean?) .....125 VAC - 60 CYC. Obviously this part is no longer available, but can't I use "any" type capacitor ??
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Post# 40528-6/21/2004-20:47 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: I took the back plate off and removed the capacitor and when I did and then removed the cap, one of the terminals fell right off and is corroded. So I need a new one part # 5526140; 124-149 MFD < (what does that mean?) .....125 VAC - 60 CYC. Obviously this part is no longer available, but can't I use "any" type capacitor ??
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Post# 40529-6/21/2004-20:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: I grew up in a paper mill town in north central MAss, where the river was literally a milky orange due to pollution in the 60's ......... NASTY !!!!, it runs clean today ............
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Post# 40530-6/21/2004-20:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: Try WWW Graingers,or any large electrical supply store.Check for any motor rebuild or repair shops in your area-these usually have motor start caps.Its a special electrolytic cap-the high cap values.Sometimes old time hardware stores may have them if there is still one in your area.124-149 Mfd is the capacitance value of your capacitor.The part number may be of help too.The parts dealer can try to cross reference it.Do you have the makers name on the cap?Oh yes- applaince stores that have parts and service departments can help as well.-they may have the cap you need.
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Post# 40531-6/21/2004-21:07 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
You should be able to get that start capacitor at any appliance parts store. Bring the old one, if you can. Microfarads are the way capacitors are rated. The higher the range of numbers, the more stronger "push" if you will to get the motor started. I may have one here if you need it. Try to get the same size so it will mount in whatever bracket it has.
John
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Post# 40532-6/21/2004-21:09 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: Thank you Rex!!!!, I never heard of WWW Graingers, but thanks for your info, it is a great help and I have a gut feeling this will solve the problem. The makers name is General Motors - AC DELCO ........ I actually tried to pull one off of another machine, but my "rapidry" 1967, does not have one attached to the back plate at all and my multi-matic machines have very different looking ones ......... I do have a local appliance friend/contact that I will go to first, they are great .......... thanks again :) -gregm
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Post# 40533-6/21/2004-21:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ???
MESSAGE: thanks John, you must come visit :) ...........
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Post# 40534-6/21/2004-21:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: You are welcome-glad to help-The dealer that you try should be able to provide you with a proper replacement-the value is the most important as well as the part#.These are pretty generic for the most part-a new one of any manufacture should work with your motor as long as the value and voltage rating match.
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Post# 40535-6/21/2004-22:06 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: By the way it is W.W. Grainger Co. It is not a web address however they may have a web site.
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Post# 40536-6/21/2004-22:13 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: A very qucik hello! (Choice Magazines)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that Tip Arrrooohhh,
I'll have to go in and have a look. What a great Idea :)
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Post# 40537-6/21/2004-22:17 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: Here's the link to W.W.Grainger's. Type in "Capacitor" in the search box.
LINK: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/wwg/start.shtml
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Post# 40538-6/21/2004-22:35 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (thank you)
MESSAGE: Sorry-it is two W's-Hit the "W" key too much on my computer.
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Post# 40539-6/21/2004-23:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (Allied Electronics)
MESSAGE: Greg Allied Electronics also sells motor start capacitors and you don't need an account like you might at Grangiers. Allied part #852-3728 is a 125volt 145 to 174mfd motor start capacitor. That's a slightly higher value, but it should work just fine. I buy capacitors for restoring vintage television sets from them occassionally.
LINK: http://www.alliedelec.com
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Post# 40540-6/22/2004-03:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: motor start capacitors
MESSAGE: So why are capacitors needed when induction motors are kicked off by the start windings?
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Post# 40541-6/22/2004-06:21 ||| laundramatt (Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Where can you buy STPP? Or can you just throw a couple of Dolly Madison donuts in the wash for softer water?
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Post# 40542-6/22/2004-06:57 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: motor start capacitors
MESSAGE: I would like to learn the answer to that .........
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Post# 40543-6/22/2004-07:00 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: bad capacitor (thanks ALL !!!!)
MESSAGE: thanks VERY much to you guys who answered my question :)
I wonder if I will be able to get the same size so that it will mount and fit back on the access plate ??
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Post# 40544-6/22/2004-07:01 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: I have used "calgon" ......... does a good job softening the water but I am sure its not or is extremely low in phosphates ............
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Post# 40545-6/22/2004-07:05 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: capacitor vs. start windings ??
MESSAGE: so were capacitors used in place of start windings ?? AND start windings are actually inside the motor itself with a "switch" to engage them for the first couple seconds then disengage them once the motor is running, correct ?
Is the capacitor like the one I have on my '65 Frig washer, like a battery whereas it is ooozing corrosion ?? seems rather "large" ......... they do not make them like this anymore right ?
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Post# 40546-6/22/2004-07:41 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? (Why a capacitor)
MESSAGE: Going way back to physic in college the capacitor is used to add extra voltage to help start the motor without pulling so much amp's from the circuit and blowing the fuse or breaker. The capacitor holds the electrical charge and when the motor is started it sends out the burst of power needed to get the motor going. Being hooked to the electrical current it then recharges to it normal holding value.
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Post# 40547-6/22/2004-08:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: One for me, one for the wash...
I wish the donuts worked, but a pail of STPP is cheaper. Here is an online store that carries it, I just went to a local chemical supply house and bought it over the counter - no shipping costs. I think mine was $45 for a 50lb bag. I used approximately 1/4 cup for a full load and reduced the amount of detergent by about the same amount in a top load washer.
LINK: http://www.chemistrystore.com/sodium_tripolyphosphate.htm
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Post# 40548-6/22/2004-08:24 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: post # 40397, yes bad capacitor, HELP ??? (Allied Electronics DITTO)
MESSAGE: They're great to work with. I get my network cables and connectors for work at Allied at great discounts.
Hey Robert, I saw on Audiokarma that someone scanned a 1970s Allied catalog page with TV picture tubes, including a few color roundies!
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Post# 40549-6/22/2004-08:35 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ??
MESSAGE: A capacitor is like a battery. Is stores a charge that can be called upon by the circuit when needed. From what I remember a start capacitor holds so many amps at 120v or whatever the motor needs. When the motor starts, the capacitor gives it enough oomph to get going without drawing too much current from the mains.
Capacitors are also used in electronics to filter out noise or (audio/TV) low frequencies.
I'm guessing start windings work like a transformer giving the motor more than 120v to get running and then switching off once the motor is at full speed.
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Post# 40550-6/22/2004-08:46 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Sounds to me like a faulty gas valves, too high heat and not enough make-up air in the room. The valve can be replaced and thermostats checked. The make-up air may take some construction/remodeling of the laundry space. A qualified repair tech will be able to advise you/your supervisor on the best course of action. Do you clean the lint compartment every day, getting into all the nooks and cranies where lint can accumulate?
Commercial laundry products used in the wash are not known for their April-fresh scent. Even after the dryer is checked and maintained, you may still have unpleasant odors.
Check with your supervisor before calling a repair tech and generating a bill.
-ph
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Post# 40551-6/22/2004-09:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Stinky Commercial Dryer
MESSAGE: Is there an odor problem with the "working" dryer you use?
--Austin
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Post# 40552-6/22/2004-09:36 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: Capacitors are essentially a storage device. When connected across a DC voltage, they will absorb the voltage. (charge up) Where the voltage fluctuates, they tend to smooth out the fluctuations. For example, when connected across a 12 Volt DC supply, if a short spike of 20 volts comes down the wire, the capacitor will absorb most of the spike and release it back into the circuit as the voltage drops again. They are often used this way as part of a filter circuit.
They can also be used in a timing circuit. If we start with the same 12 Volt DC supply, connect a capacitor across the supply, but this time connect one of the capacitor leads to the 12 volts through a resistor. The resistor, if an appropriate value is chosen, slows the flow of electricity into the capacitor, so the cap charges up s-l-o-w-l-y. We then add another circuit, of a voltage sensitive switch. It is set so that when the voltage across the cap gets to,for example, eight volts, it switches on. When it falls below six volts, it switches off. This basic combination of resistor and capacitor for timing purposes (called an R/C circuit) is used in thousands of timing applications, from light flashers, to electronic egg timers, to washing machine timers.
And to motors... No, the capacitor does NOT store a charge of extra voltage to give the motor an extra zap to start. A common misconception. Capacitors are most easily understood in DC circuits as above, but when fed AC they get more interesting. Caps are also used to smooth out voltage fluctuations in AC supplies, such as spike filters. In a motor circuit they can give a second phase from a single phase supply.
Lets start with a simple motor without start windings, as in little Japanese washers like Austin's GE portable. These motors have two identical windings. if BOTH were connected directly to the mains, (no capacitors) then the voltage in both windings at any instant would always be identical. The AC supply fluctuates from 0 to peak volts 60 times per second in USA (50 over here), but as the two windings are connected together the voltage in them will rise and fall together. As the voltages remain the same there can be no reaction between them, so the motor won't move. If we add a capacitor in series with ONE winding and connect the other to the mains, something interesting happens. When the directly connected one's voltage starts to rise, the capacitor in the other one soaks up the charge. The winding doesn't get the voltage. Suddenly we have a voltage difference between them, so they magnetically react with each other and the motor turns to try to even out the forces. As the voltage across the direct winding starts to fall again, the capacitor feeds its stored electricity into the second winding. Again the voltage difference is maintained. So adding a cap effectively added a 1/2 cycle time delay to the AC electricity flowing through the second winding. It effectively turns a single phase supply into a two phase supply, and with its two windings the motor is really a two phase unit.
The motor is easily reversed, just by putting the cap in the OTHER winding's circuit. So on Austin's GE, every few seconds the timer stops, then puts the cap in the other circuit to reverse the motor during wash.
Now to Greg's machine - The start circuit in most big washing machine motors is a very heavy winding that usually draws well in excess of the rated amps of the power supply. For example a motor that uses 4 amps when running may use in excess of twenty amps for half a second or so before the motor gets up to speed and the start winding cuts out. This is on a 15 amp circuit, wiring codes always allow a little fat so that start surges aren't a problem. Trouble is, these motors have quite weak starting torque, they can't do much work till they get up to speed. Where a machine requires its motor to start up with a load already applied, it is often more reliable (less likely to blow fuses or burn out the start winding) if a two phase winding is used to start up, switching to the single phase winding after the motor is up to speed. If a "normal" (no cap) motor hasn't got up to speed in about five seconds, it is in extreme danger of burning out its start winding. Also, to not have a cap, the start winding needs to be huge, = big power surge, = might blow a fuse. By adding a cap, the start winding will be out of phase from the main winding, so they can both react and contribute to starting the motor. Once the motor is up to speed, the start winding including the cap are switched out of the circuit. Because of its greater efficiency with a cap in circuit, the start winding can be much smaller, so it doesn't pull such a huge surge. This allows capacitor start motors to start more gently, and wind up to speed over twenty or more seconds. This is great for washing machines, especially solid tub machines who might not get up to full speed till they are nearly all pumped out.
So that is the cap story, or part of it, and why your machine won't reverse without a cap.
Oh, and Greg, they are still just as big. Motor start caps are pretty much the same now as when your machine was new, though they are often in plastic cases now.
Chris.
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Post# 40553-6/22/2004-09:51 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: You know Austin, you've brought up a point that I've thought of many times but then thought it was too foolish to bring up for discussion.
I've been washing for MANY years and have experienced the smell of MANY soaps and detergents. The ONLY one that has stuck in my mind and is still up there is the fresh, clean fragrance of Tide in the late 50s/60s. My foolish thought was to try and obtain a bit of the original scented Tide and take it to one of these perfume/cologne fragrance shops where they try to match the fragrance.
I would be totally happy to wash with an odorless low-sudser and then release a couple of drops of this concoction into the final rinse.
I can't find words to describe the fragrance of clothes after being washed in this old "Washday Miracle." To me, there will never be another one like it.
A pretty foolish idea huh?
Dick S
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Post# 40554-6/22/2004-10:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: Hey Dick, I think that is an absolutely wonderful idea! Although many of the vintage detergents I find the scent has faded away, on occasion I get lucky and for what ever reason the contents retained some or all it's scent. I do not know why some boxes why some lose their scent faster then others even when it’s the same brand. Might have to do with the humidity of the room where it was stored in over the years.
Do you think we could match vintage detergent fragrance, I would be willing to help however I can?
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Post# 40555-6/22/2004-11:55 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Here, here! I thought I was the only one who pined for the scent of 'classic' 60's-era Tide. I remember opening my closet and smelling that wonderful Tide scent on my clothes----not to mention the way the house smelled on laundry day as the machine ran load after load. Good luck in your reproduction efforts, guys. Oh, and Frigidaires rule!!
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Post# 40556-6/22/2004-12:30 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Okay, Who Did This?
MESSAGE:
Is someone in here preparing for the next convention?!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20040622/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_germany_soap
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Post# 40557-6/22/2004-12:42 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: Magic Chef dishwasher
MESSAGE: Is anyone here familiar with the Magic Chef Concept
Series line of appliances? My mom has a Magic Chef CS
portable dishwasher in harvest gold with "Total Magic
Wash" option (I have no idea what that is, since it's
always been set to "Full Wash No Heat" on the rare
occasions it's been used). The dishwasher has a few
little dings and a very small leak at one corner, but
it's in pretty good working condition.
Unfortunately, Mom deems the dishwasher unnecessary and
mortally hates it for reasons of her own. I'm trying to
persuade her to sell/give it away to someone who can
repair and enjoy it. I'll post any further developments.
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Post# 40558-6/22/2004-13:06 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: Okay, Who Did This?
MESSAGE:
Resubmitted using the "URL Link to Share" feature...
LINK: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=857&ncid=757&e=10&u=/nm/20040622/od_uk_nm/oukoe_odd_germany_soap
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Post# 40559-6/22/2004-14:09 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: Oh Yey, I dream of manufacturers bringing back the original scents in detergents. I had the best of both worlds after 13 years old. I aquired a step mom. My mom was a Dash person using it in her Duomatic. I loved that smell. She hung her laundry for years even having the dryer. She said she didn't have all day waiting for clothes to dry. Everything smelled so good. My step mom had a Maytag AMP for years. She was the queen of Tide. I swear she used more than necessary per load. Pretty strong but going up to the Napa Valley to visit my Dad for the summer with the smog free air the Tide fragerance took over the garage and the clothes hanging on the clothes line was like flowers in a garden. Does anyone remember....put alittle tide in your hand and add alittle water and close your hand and the tide would get warm. I always thought that was fun. Dano
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Post# 40560-6/22/2004-14:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: Maybe we could somehow get a hold of all of the ingredients necessary to make vintage Tide, study the 60's Tide formula, and spend a few days making boxes of "vintage" phosphate detergent and sell them to club members! While it might take some time (and some additional equipment) the results could be outstanding.
While I like the scent of modern Tide (especially when you're washing with it), the bleach additive has a negative effect on it. And the "Mountain Spring" scent (or something along those lines)? It has a sickeningly sweet smell that's certain to make anyone near it gag.
--Austin
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Post# 40561-6/22/2004-14:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Restoring chrome on an Appliance
MESSAGE: What types of polish/wax can you use to restore dull, pitted chrome on a vintage appliance? Also, how is the best way to polish them, using an electric buffer (Baldor) or by hand?
--Austin
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Post# 40562-6/22/2004-14:40 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Sign me up for:
Oxydol
ALL
Punch
Final Touch
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Post# 40563-6/22/2004-15:11 ||| radiobill1966 (Indianapolis, IN)
SUBJECT: RE: Painting a washer
MESSAGE: Okay, lessee if I remember this stuff...I used to work for an auto body paint supply.
If you have a DA orbital sander, I'd use it instead of hand-sanding. For metal, start with 180 grit and work up to around 320. Make sure you remove all the rust, or it'll try breaking through your new finish.
Wipe down your newly-sanded work with wax and grease remover to remove the grit and oil from your hands.
Now, what kind of paint were you thinking of using? Easy solution would be acrylic enamel. More expensive but more durable would be acrylic urethane, like what they use on cars. With urethane, I'd have someone do it for you, as the fumes from that stuff will mess with your insides.
Either way, prime it and let it sit for a day. Fine-sand the primer, wax-and-grease remove the surface, then go forward with your paint.
After you've let the paint cure for a few days, you can rub out the hairs and rough spots (I call 'em "boogers!" ) with rubbing compound. When you're finished, you should have a glass-smooth finish.
Bill
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Post# 40564-6/22/2004-15:19 ||| Activewater (UK)
SUBJECT: Smelly condenser dryer
MESSAGE: Hi everyone, I am new here. This is a fabulous site with wondeful pics and vids, have had a ball looking at everything on here and reading your msgs. Now I need your advise:
I have a Zanussi condenser dryer that is about 3 years old. Over the last few months it has started to stink of mould although having checked the water unit (clean) the condenser unit (clean) the filter (clean), I am at a loss as to know where this smell is coming from. It has started to make my clean laundry smell like it hasn't been washed for months. Is there something about condenser dryers that no-one told me about or some kind of deodoriser I can use?
Thanks
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Post# 40565-6/22/2004-15:26 ||| Jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The art of hanging out clothes
MESSAGE: There was a great article in the Minneapolis Sunday Paper this past week. It was about hanging out clothes on the line, which I love to do. There was a website connected to this which features artwork, stories, and other tidbits about hanging clothes out and laundry. Some great art featured! Enjoy, Don
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Post# 40566-6/22/2004-15:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring chrome on an Appliance (chrome restoration)
MESSAGE: Use the same stuff you would use on the chrome bumper of a car. Same materials are used on appliances, (chrome, stainless steel, aluminum, plastic, baked enamel) so a lot of automotive products work well.
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Post# 40567-6/22/2004-15:45 ||| rayjay (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes
MESSAGE: Hi Don, What was the website?
Thanks, Ray
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Post# 40568-6/22/2004-16:04 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: El-Cheapo Frigidaire DW
MESSAGE: My trusty old K-Aid Imperial was damaged recently (long story) and I substituted if for a 4 yr. old builders grade Frigidaire my neighbor had in her garage and was not using. (When she bought the house she ripped out the kitchen and started from scratch). Any way I installed it. Now every time I use it at the very end of the cycle, about a cup of water runs out onto the floor! I have felt around the door seal, inlet valve, and drain and cannot find a thing wet! The only thing I can think of is that water is collecting in the steam vent, and when it opens towards the end of the cycle, the water spills out. Does this make any sense to ya'll? Tell me whats up with this!
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Post# 40569-6/22/2004-16:12 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (bring back the phosphates!)
MESSAGE: My mom also used Dash (the Frigidaires needed it), and I loved the fragrance too. Also Tide and especially Rinso-Blu!
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Post# 40570-6/22/2004-16:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? (Why a capacitor)
MESSAGE: very interesting ......... thank you .........
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Post# 40571-6/22/2004-16:14 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ??
MESSAGE: I LOVE learning about this stuff ........ thanks very much for the info and feedback Jason :)
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Post# 40572-6/22/2004-16:15 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: You are so right! I forgot, Final Touch had a great fragrance, I bet I would recognise Oxydol too, but I don't remember off-hand.
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Post# 40573-6/22/2004-16:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: very cool, thanks for the info, BUT ......... now I obviously know that the motor not starting and just humming is do to my capacitor being bad and needing replacement, does that ALSO explain the fact that the motor will NOT reverse when the timer is placed in "spin" ?? Guess I will not know until I first do the replacement ..........
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Post# 40574-6/22/2004-16:18 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Smelly condenser dryer
MESSAGE: Sodium Hypochlorite (Clorox) hates mold/ mildew. Wear old clothes, ventilate the room well and scrub everything suspect down.
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Post# 40575-6/22/2004-16:19 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I LOVE the smell of "fels-naptha" soap, still available and the old smell of vintage WISK, if you can find a bottle that has not gone bad ............
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Post# 40576-6/22/2004-16:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Sears "big bucket" powder HE detergents smell clean and simple and work great too ............ "just my two cents" :)
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Post# 40577-6/22/2004-16:23 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I agree, alot of new detergents are "sicky sweet" and smell like some sort of candy syrup ....... nasty ........
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Post# 40578-6/22/2004-16:25 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring chrome on an Appliance (Polishes and Professional Methods)
MESSAGE: Austin:
To polish most bright metals, there are two polishes that are similar, and will do a terrific job. One is called Wenol (pronounced VEE-knoll), a German polish you can get through Williams-Sonoma. It brings up a very deep, bright shine. The other is Simichrome, which a lot of better hardware stores carry. It's pretty similar to Wenol, although I fancy I can see a little better shine with Wenol, which could just be my imagination or brand preference or whatever.
But polishes can't do much for pitting; the pits go through the chrome layer, right down into the base metal underneath. They're actually holes in the metal. The best resource for taking care of them is a restoration company specialising in work on classic cars. Just like vintage appliances, older cars used a lot of chrome-plated pot-metal castings (there are over 300 pounds of them on a '58 Buick!), so these guys are very familiar with what needs to be done. They're able to fill the pits in the pot metal, and then re-plate so that the item looks identical to new. It's expensive to have this done, because a lot of hand-work and very picky buffing are involved, but it can be worth it when restoring something rare, or when show condition is really important. Car shows very often have judges who can spot inferior chrome restoration by eye, so the best companies are a real cut above the rest.
There are lots of these companies around; search Google for 'chrome restoration'. One place that has a good rep is Nu-Chrome, at www.nu-chrome.com (like below); they are supposed to be experienced in repairing pitted pot metal.
It's up to you how far you take it, but your chrome can be restored like new, if you're willing to spend the bucks.
LINK: http://www.nu-chrome.com/index.html
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Post# 40579-6/22/2004-16:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Don't forget about Ajax.
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Post# 40580-6/22/2004-16:30 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: Even though it is a strong scent, I do like the smell of Ariel detergent. Also Seamist Lavender Fabric softener; very light & lingering fragrance!
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Post# 40581-6/22/2004-16:40 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: If you could somehow spin the motor in the spin direction(whichever way that may be, it would probably spin. The capacitor works in both directions depend on how voltage is fed to it; one way to agitate; one way to spin. On those frigidaire washers the motor is under a tremendous load on spin start-up so it might be difficult to get it to spin manually. Capacitors are usually used on motors that start under a load. Sometimes bad or grounded start windings will burn up the capacitor; that usually means a bad motor!
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Post# 40582-6/22/2004-16:50 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: I agree. For the $$ Sears HE powder with oxyclean is excellent! Can't beat $10. on sale for a bucket of HE. And you can reuse the bucket!
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Post# 40583-6/22/2004-17:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Tide, Oxydol, Dash and Vintage Downy for me...
Looks like someone should take a chemistry class on scentmaking and sell them on Ebay!
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Post# 40584-6/22/2004-18:07 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (modern detergents)
MESSAGE: It is important to use detergents designed for washing machines. The use of additional phosphates may not be that great for the washer. Detergents include ingredients to "protect washer parts".
There used to be a greater difference in cleaning ability between the different types of washing machines, front loaders usually doing a poorer job. With the modern detergents, you can practically throw the clothes in a bucket with the detergent and it will clean. It's all of those enzymes to eat the body oils and surficants to loosen the dirt.
That said, I too would like to bring back the classic scents, less perfumy.
I use Tide Free, no added scent, but still has a smell, not bad at all, and Tide with bleach for whites, still like to add some Clorox if those whites are really gross.
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Post# 40585-6/22/2004-19:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...)
MESSAGE: How was the track record on the Maytag Combos when they were new, and how long did they last? This really has me curious.
--Austin
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Post# 40586-6/22/2004-19:32 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Axion)
MESSAGE: I too liked the old Tide scent. The earliest one I remember is from the '70s. Was this the same scent as from the '60s? Also, if I had a second choice, I loved the smell of Axion (detergent booster). I think it disappeared about 10 years ago.
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Post# 40587-6/22/2004-19:41 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Ive just tried my first Tide-clean breeze and Ultra Downy-clean breeze and like them very much. Not too much fragrence but they still smell clean, not as strong as Gain- island fresh that I had been using.
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Post# 40588-6/22/2004-19:42 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: Yes you can start the motor by spinning its shaft in the direction you want it to go-There is some legend that farmers used to start very large irrigation pump motors by spinning them with an overiding clutch on a tractor PTO.I can speak from expereince-The motor and its cap may be OK-but the motor may be trying to start a defective load-the load is keeping the motor in its start cycle too long.Start windings and caps are for intermittent start duty.Both heat up VERY quickly if the motor cannot overcome the load.Some years back-at the power tool repair shop-an exterminator had his pump operated pesticide sprayer at the store.He was complaining the units pump motor was burning up caps.Turned out the motor was trying to start its pump againt high back pressure. I tried to start it and watched the motor start-it took an abnormally long toime to get going.-several seconds.I found the pump and motor worked normally if the spray gun was purged of back pressure before starting the pump.The pump then started normally. Told the user of this-no more burnt caps.You would think the makers of that peice of equipment would have been aware of that problem.
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Post# 40589-6/22/2004-19:42 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Peter, I forgot about the old ALL powder scent. That was great. I remember Punch as if it were yesterday. That was my Mom's main brand in the '70s when I was a little kid. At the time, it was a bargain brand. She used to get a family size box for about $1 (from our local Chatham supermarket - another memory). It had a very mild scent - I can smell it as I'm writing this, but can't really describe it.
Pete
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Post# 40590-6/22/2004-19:42 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoring chrome on an Appliance (Nevr-Dull !!)
MESSAGE: Nevr-Dull Magic Wadding Polish
It's a can of wadding (cottinish fiberglass stuff). You rip off a piece and polish the pits away (almost). Works great on my car bumpers jukebox trim, appliance chrome etc.
Available at better hardware stores.
Ken D.
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Post# 40591-6/22/2004-19:47 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I also remember the old Wisk was a cloudy bright blue color instead of clear dark blue like it is today.
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Post# 40592-6/22/2004-19:52 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs)
MESSAGE: As far as I know, everybodys combos were dogs. Hot air and water seals don't go together.
Ken D.
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Post# 40593-6/22/2004-20:05 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: In addition to Tide, which I am sure everyone wants,I will take:
Wisk
Fab (Original - not that lemon stuff)
Cheer
Oxydol
Punch
Ajax
All
Rinso (Blue and the later version with Color Bleach)
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Post# 40594-6/22/2004-20:09 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I have said that right along too Greg. And I will never understand why the manufacturers cannot or will not reproduce the classic scents but continue to kill us with more varieties of the same brand. Witness new Tropical Fresh Tide, Whitewater Fresh Gain, and Spring Magic Fab, Fresh Linen Cheer, Citrus Breeze All and well, you get the picture........
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Post# 40595-6/22/2004-20:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: The start torque of a cap start motor is larger than that of a non cap split phase motor.The extra torque from the cap start motor makes them good for hard to start loads such as Washers-esp spin cycle,Air compressers,refrigeration compressors.The disadvantage to cap start motors is that do do draw a LARGER amount of current to start the load.You have to pay for that higher start torque.Most instances if the motor doesn't take too long to start its load-the standard size breaker or fuse is OK.Single phase lines are limited in the size of motors they can run.The starting equipment in the motor(start winding,centrifical switch,and cap)makes them more expensive than a same HP 3 phase motor.There are "boxes" availabe that can start and run 3ph motors from a single ph line.Usually limited to less than 3HP.They do contain start caps and start relays.Your explanation below is excellent.To reverse the rotation you reverse the polarity of the start winding.In most cap start motors the winding is acceseble for this.I had to build a reverser system for a small conveyer belt that used a small cap start motor.
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Post# 40596-6/22/2004-20:13 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: I remember that Punch became a price sensitive brand around 1975 - then the packaging changed from the black letters to the red letters and I recall the Giant Size box was $.74 and King Size was $1.12. Still smelled the same as the original Punch which was only on the market 3 years before all that phosphate madness happened in 1972-3. Hmmm. ... I have heard of mad cow, perhaps there is such a thing as mad phosphates.....
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Post# 40597-6/22/2004-20:49 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Even though it may not be universally liked, I vote for vintage Gain (pre-1990s).
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Post# 40598-6/22/2004-21:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: Hello there,
I can say that I have had the chance to use 3 Lady Kennmore combos, and until you have had the chance to use one of these, don't say they are all dogs.
They are amazing machines. Especially for the time period that they were made. I have used two gas combos, and one electric. I drool for one!
There was not really any seals on these. Only one was at the outside of where the door met the lock. When you open the door, you are really at the inner part of the drum. There is not a gap like the new front loaders between the actual wash tub and the case.
These are amazing machines.
I think that the only one that did not do very well was the Maytag combo.
All of the other american brands are still easy to fix if you have the time and knowledge.
I just know that I want one!
Brent
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Post# 40599-6/22/2004-21:24 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: dream machine found
MESSAGE: I picked up a 1957 Kitchen Aid portable top-load DW today, (SPECIAL THANKS TO CHRISR WHO FOUND THIS FOR ME!!!!!!)with the rounded corners, big chrome vent in the front on top, center timer dial lower front, with push down start button just under lock handle in front. One long wash, two rinses, forced hot air dry. Can't believe how QUIET this machine is !!!!, Kitchen Aid were way ahead of their time I think. Took pics and will post along with others soon. Am so excited !!!, My mom told me I use to put my ear to this machine through most of the cycle when I was 18, I mean 2 (hahahahahaha). I have previously posted a photo of me age 2.5 with the DW in the background. The machine was sold when I was around 3. I tried to upload that photo but received an error message that the pic was to big. So I will just post the photos I took tonight at some point or if anyone wants to see the pic I am referring to I can post it in my yahoo album.
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Post# 40600-6/22/2004-21:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I love the smell of "Lavender Sachet" fabric softener in the purple bottle, I guess one could "run" with that statement, but lets not, at least not here ....... hahahaha ............
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Post# 40601-6/22/2004-21:30 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: well I will start with the capacitor ........ if the motor is STILL bad how will I know or will the new capacitor just burn out quickly and how quick whereas its not like I will be using the machine everyday .........
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Post# 40602-6/22/2004-21:32 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (modern detergents)
MESSAGE: "Additional phosphates may not be great for washer", < WHY ?? what do they do ?? I thought softer water was better for any machine ....... I do know that bleach can wear and eat at machine parts and be corrosive ..........
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Post# 40603-6/22/2004-21:36 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: I use sears HE Ultra Plus in my front loader. It has a nice scent to it. I think Costco detergent has a nice and close to Tide scent. The one in the box with enzymes not the bucket. I just bought a box of Cheer Fresh Linen Scent to use in my Maytag. I just opened it up. A little strong but I am sure it will be nice when laundry comes out. I just e mailed Tide Fabric Care at Proctor and Gamble and asked them if the original or 1950's scent would be revitalized, available or what it was derived from. Think I will get the answer? I will let you know. Remember White King soap flakes. I can no longer find it. That soap smelled so good. DRMitch--are you enjoying your Maytag machines. I like the pink control panels you made up for them. See ya! Dano
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Post# 40604-6/22/2004-21:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: yea ..... Arm and Hammer and ALL liquids are not bad at having a traditional type scent ..... I am not sure how well they perform ....... although I have used the reg scent ALL liquid and it worked well .......... but man oh man, with some today, between funky, fruity smelling detergents and then trying to find a complimentary smelling fab soft ......... gheeeeezzz, ok, I will shut up, sorry, I know I beat this topic to death :)
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Post# 40605-6/22/2004-21:40 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: wow, fascinating to me, I LOVE learning and reading this stuff, thanks to ALL who have helped me (us in applianceville) with this valuable info .......
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Post# 40606-6/22/2004-21:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: yes, exactly, WISK is all my mom ever used, whereas she always washed everything in warm water, cold rinse and did not like the way some of the older powder det. would not dissolve well ......
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Post# 40607-6/22/2004-21:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: what year did this agitator come out and what years was it used in Kenmores ?? I also recently had it pointed out to me that most or all vintage Whirlpool machines were a gray (white speckled) tub, whereas the Kenmores were always solid white?
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Post# 40608-6/22/2004-21:48 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: Who first came out with an 18lb. capacity tub and what year?? Was that one of the very first steps towards "enery conservation"? The tubs did seem to "grow bigger" throughout the 60's with regard to GE in particular having a 14, 16, then 18lb. tub ...........
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Post# 40609-6/22/2004-21:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: I've lost track-what is the motor powering?-can it be isolated from the load?Can you try to start the motor unloaded?This will tell you if the motor and cap are OK. If the motor c an't start unloaded then its would be the motor itself(bad winding) or the cap.If the motor is connected to its load-is the case that holds the start cap abnormally warm or hot?Can you smell something "bujrning"?Does trhe motor take longer than a few seconds to start?If the cap is marginal the motor may start no load or light load.If the heavier load(say spin cycle of a washer)than the motor may not start it.Also overheated start caps may make a hissing or frying sound.That is the electrolyte under too much pressure from overheating and about to vent.The vent is usually on the end of the cap where the terminals are.
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Post# 40610-6/22/2004-21:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: another thing to check besides the cap-if the motor is reveresed by the device it powers-Is the reverser switch or relay OK?
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Post# 40611-6/22/2004-22:00 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: The Fobidden To See Cycle No More! (Reproducing Vintage Detergent Scent)
MESSAGE: I guess I shared a little too much with that one!
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Post# 40612-6/22/2004-22:00 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: the washer is "empty", no clothes or water to slow/weigh it down ........... motor will NOT start at all, no bad smells or sounds, just a motor hum, unless I grab the tub and turn it to get it to agitate where I can then stop the moving tub and it will still agitate, if I turn the tub the other way "as to induce spin" ......... NOTHING ........ the cpctr is leaking clear fluid or is "wet" near the cap ..........., one of the terminals is literally corroded right off and fell off when I took the cap off the capacitor.
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Post# 40613-6/22/2004-22:01 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: Yes Brent, Combo machines in the 50's and 60's were wonderful. I am partial to Bendix and or Philco-Bendix Duomatics as my uncle was a Bendix sales and repair man in Glendale Ca.for several years. They were awsome machines, engineered well and made like tanks. I enjoyed helping him take them apart, put them back together and test run them out behind the shop. Those were the days when people had machines rebuilt. He also rebuilt Whirlpool and Hotpoint machines. We hooked a garden hose on the pump and when the pump opened it drained into the gutter. Can't do that these days. Pollution or gray water not allowed in the streets. Bendix did have a rather wide door boot like todays front loader machines. Bendix had a pretty good suspension system with shocks and springs. I took apart a Kenmore one time and was amazed that their suspension system was a side to side wobble governed by a air pump lever situation. If the balance was off much it would hit the lever let the air out of the pump and slow down the spin. I think if I remember that is how it went. They were also very well engineered and beautiful machines. Too bad they all went out of style. I think the early front load machines (48bendix) left a bad taste with the lady of the house. They used soap or detergents in the late 40's thru mid 50's that created too many suds, clothes floated rather than tumbled which provented proper cleaning. Using less product forced inferior cleaning. When low suds detergents hit the market I think it was to late. And we all know the best sales tool posative or negative is word of mouth. My mother and aunt both loved their Duomatics though. One used Dash the other All. I can't believe at one time I had access to all of those machines and now days can't even find one for my garage. Dano
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Post# 40614-6/22/2004-22:01 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: what is a reverser switch? in the motor itself right ? along with the relay ?? ........... I first will replace the capacitor and go from there .......... will keep you all "posted", no pun intended ........... ok, ok, bad joke, hahahaa.........
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Post# 40615-6/22/2004-22:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: That's an easy one (but probably not the answer you expected :)! The Norge FL (CR Tested Nov. 1950) held an amazing (for that time) 18 1/2 lbs. of clothes, when the others held only 8 or 10! What's even more amazing is that it wasn't rated "Acceptable", and CR really didn't have anything to say about washing efficiency, neither positive nor negative, which probably made it "average" in that aspect. However, since it was a front-loader, had to be bolted down, and held an unusually large load, it was the worst tested at spin-drying.
As for top-loaders, I think Montgomery Ward (as well as the other store brands at that time) was the first to offer an 18 lb. capacity tub. If my memory serves, Greg mentioned something about his '68 MW being an 18-pounder, but I'm not positive. Did GE start making an 18 lb. tub during the 70's?
--Austin
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Post# 40616-6/22/2004-22:04 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: I think kenmore/wp had an 18lb washer around 67/68. There is a pod of the w/p that comes up occasionaly. I really think it was a response to the consumer wanting larger capacity.
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Post# 40617-6/22/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found
MESSAGE: Wow, that sounds like a WONDERFUL machine! KitchenAid was way ahead of its time in the fact that they used spray arms (which were more effective and got rid of the chipped impeller problem), a feature that other dishwashers wouldn't see until the 70's. Can't wait to see the pics!
--Austin
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Post# 40618-6/22/2004-22:14 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: I remember growing up being born in '65, that for many years there were NO front loads available at all to buy or being made except for Westinghouse correct ?? Didn't Westinghouse always make a FL washer? but all the other manufacturers ceased FL in the late 60's ???? .......... Then the FL started being re-introduced when ? early 90's ? Pretty soon I hear there will be no top-loaders being made anymore ...... making the ones we all have even more special ........
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Post# 40619-6/22/2004-22:14 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: I think it depended on where in the line. most bol and mol kenmores had the white stipple tub. Some basic machines had a dark navy blue tub. Our '64 LK washer had the white tub, as did tol w/p (Imperial, Mark series)
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Post# 40620-6/22/2004-22:15 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: Vintage Kenmore machines weren't always solid white. Check out the 2002 SRVAA Convention video and there is a good clip of a mid-60's near-BOL Kenmore in action (with Uni working the controls), with a grey speckled porcelain tub.
--Austin
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Post# 40621-6/22/2004-22:16 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: I want to say yes, I have a late 60's I think GE that is a 16lb. and a '77 that is an 18lb. .........
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Post# 40622-6/22/2004-22:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: Westinghouse made a "normal" (with a MANUAL WATER LEVEL DIAL--the lack of this is what bugs me about today's FL's; I like sloshy, splashy, sudsy, high-filling FL action!) FL until 1992 I believe, judging by early 90's Consumer Reports articles. The Neptune came out in 1996, and Frigemores came out in 1997. So that means there must have been a 5-year lull in FL production. More information is appreciated.
I remember looking at somebody's photo album and there was a '65 LK Combo, but I'm not sure. Maytag's infamous, complicated, repair-prone combo was made during the early 70's.
--Austin
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Post# 40623-6/22/2004-22:23 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (thnx)
MESSAGE: thanks Austin, YES ............ I am so THRILLED!!!!!, the machine is near MINT condition, racks and porcelain interior are MINT !!!, there are two narrow upper racks and a third, wider-middle upper rack, all removable and of course you can remove the lower rack if you need to clean out the "strainer" that collects food particles ......... interesting story, a man my dad knew won this DW on a TV show ....... it was considered a top of the line DW of its time and he won so much stuff that he would have had to pay some hefty taxes on these so called "gifts" so ..... he sold most of his winnings off to help pay the taxes and my dad bought the DW for my mom for less than wholesale price but he does not remember what he payed for it ............ ("stay at home")mom said she used it every night where she had three kids and cooked three meals a day ....she LOVED it ......she said she was the first in our neighborhood to even have a DW ...... back in the fifties, I guess that was considered a "luxury" item .......
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Post# 40624-6/22/2004-22:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: However I thought GE's largest through the 80's & 90's was a 16 lb. tub (the sure-fire way to detect this was a 7" backsplash instead of a 6" on the old-style control panel with toggle switches instead of chrome pushbuttons). They also had a standard capacity, which held 14 lbs.
--Austin
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Post# 40625-6/22/2004-22:28 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: I have to agree, I do like and prefer a sloshy, splashy front load like what I see of the vintage stainless Speed Queens at the local laundromat ........ I may make an offer to try and buy one of those machines whereas they only have three left and they are in good shape considering they are at least forty years old. Supposedly if you choose the "soak" cycle on the new WP duet, if offers a max fill "up to the bottom of the door" .....
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Post# 40626-6/22/2004-22:29 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: hmmm, maybe my late 60's GE is a 14lb and not a 16lb, whereas it has chrome pushbuttons and not toggle switches ...... but my '77 says 18 right on it, I think ??? gheeezz, now I will have to go and double check ........ hehe
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Post# 40627-6/22/2004-22:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: Most likely the capacitor has nothing to do with the motor not reversing, that would be a timer issue. But start with the capacitor Greg and see what happens, its only a $4.50 part, so its cheap to experiment with.
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Post# 40628-6/22/2004-22:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Oh Greg, congratulations, I'm so happy for you. Oh Oh Oh that machine would be a wonderful candidate for a glass lid (hint-hint)!
Keep up posted and some picts when you get a chance please!
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Post# 40629-6/22/2004-22:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (thnx)
MESSAGE: My dad grew up with 9 other people in the 60's and they didn't get a dishwasher until the late 60's--early 70's. The "dishwashers" of the family were he & his sister. They were the perfect family for the James DW though!
--Austin
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Post# 40630-6/22/2004-22:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Well guys I moved the Apex Dish-A-Matic into its new position in the main display room, cut a nice hole in my PCV drain system for it to gravity drain, hooked it up to water, installed a safe new 3-prong grounding cord and gave it a test run. Wouldn’t you know it that as soon as the motor started KABOOM, then there was a flash and a bit of smoke and the circuit breaker tripped. What happened was the motor had been grounded to its case. That means that the insulation on one of the motor windings had worn away at some point in its life and is allowing a bit of the bare wire to touch outer case. Without the 3 Prong cord the machine ran fine because there was no way to bleed the leaking electricity back to ground, although I’m shocked (pardon the pun) that I didn’t get shocked or at least feel a tingle during my restoration and test washes. I’m always careful to wear rubber soled shoes and once again this paid off. It is way too dangerous to run the dishwasher with the motor grounded like that, so I took the motor off and took it into to my motor repair shop. They are going to rewind it with brand new windings and make it like new again, unfortunately this is going to cost over $200 but for an Apex its certainly worth it. I just can’t use any old motor, because the end bell is specially made to fit into the Dish-A-Matic’s mechanism. So I will keep everyone posted to what happens next week when I get the motor back. Ahhh the wonders of restoration the excitement never ceases!
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Post# 40631-6/22/2004-22:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Is it a TL??
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Post# 40632-6/22/2004-22:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Uni that wonderful Apex DW is certainly worth every penny! I do hope you find an Apex Wash-A-Matic this year!
--Austin
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Post# 40633-6/22/2004-22:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: While I'm waiting for the Apex motor to be fixed, I'm using my trusty '56 Frigidaire Dishwasher and for those of you with your arms crossed, tisking and hmmfphing about vintage dishwasher performance, (you know who you are :) here are some before and after shots of tonights washload, and yes most of this stuff has sat in here for a few days.
Warning the before pictures are YUCKY, not for the squemish!
ps. notice where and how I load the upper bowl of the vacuum coffee maker.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_56_Frigidaire_Performance
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Post# 40634-6/22/2004-22:43 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: WOW, great idea ........... so I just go to hardware or local glass shop right ?? give them the L&W and along with accurate rounded-corner specs and how thick ?? ......... I will research this and I am in the market for a video cam or maybe a dig cam with video would that work ??
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Post# 40635-6/22/2004-22:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: I know it has to be digital in order to arrange good-quality videos in files.
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Post# 40636-6/22/2004-22:45 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: very glad you didn't get zapped ..........
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Post# 40637-6/22/2004-22:46 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: ohhhhh YESSSS !!! (big smile)
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Post# 40638-6/22/2004-22:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: Yup its your cap-replace it before going any further.If you try to operate the machine without it-could cook the motor.When you were spinning to tub by hand you were doing the job the start cap and windings do-when you spun the tub-it spun the motor-causing it to start.-Like starting the old style airplanes by turning over the prop by hand.When you get a new cap-install it and then try to operate the machine again.
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Post# 40639-6/22/2004-22:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Didn't a 1960 Filter-Flo that Don (jetaction) acquired have this problem as well, and deliver a mild shock when you touched the Filter-Flo stream?
--Austin
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Post# 40640-6/22/2004-22:52 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (I can vouch .....)
MESSAGE: I had the privilege and pleasure of actually watching, yes watching through glass with a makeshift light inside the tub this DW in action when visiting Robert a month ago and I was impressed ....... you just need to make sure that all dishes face the tube ...........
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Post# 40641-6/22/2004-22:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: The 3 pin cord saved your life-the machine could have been hot--you touch something grounded and the Apex-could have zapped you.Glad you could get the motor rebuilt-looks like you are thrilled with your Apex and its interesting to see the pictures of how it works.Lots of luck with it!!
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Post# 40642-6/22/2004-22:54 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: will do ...... yea, even the very few, maybe three minutes that I ran the motor with a so-called manual start ..... it got very HOT ..........
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Post# 40643-6/22/2004-22:56 ||| Gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: my '56 GE Mobile Maid has only a two-prong cord and I got to tell ya, hehaha, I don't lay a solitary finger on that machine when its running ............ does intimidate me a bit ......
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Post# 40644-6/22/2004-23:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (BUT))
MESSAGE: The reversal function would be done thru the timer to reverse the motor for spin.You will need to replace the motor cap before going any further.The motor won't start in any direction with a bad cap.I was speaking genracally before-since its a washer-the reversal would be at the timer.
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Post# 40645-6/22/2004-23:16 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, it would be best to remove the lid and have them trace it as a template on the glass, otherwise its probably not going to fit perfectly and its going to leak. I would get 1/4" glass at least so its heavy enough not to blow off.
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Post# 40646-6/22/2004-23:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: Nope my videos are all analog, either will work just fine.
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Post# 40647-6/22/2004-23:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: Oh I've been zapped quite a bit in my day. The very first zap I got was from the Automagic back in '96. You learn real quick how to properly ground these machines.
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Post# 40648-6/22/2004-23:20 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: New 220 Volt Combo
MESSAGE: Was looking for a part, and saw a link to a combo.
It appears to only connect to cold water and heat it like european machines and water condenses.
There is a link to the owner's manual and the service manual as well. The online (pdf) service manual has excellent color pictures.
The shipping was pretty reasonable, too considering the cost of gas these days.
I think the machine is Japanese but the distributor is in Greenville, SC.
Steve1-18
LINK: http://www.washerdryercombo.net/index.htm
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Post# 40649-6/22/2004-23:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: What happened there? I'm curious to see how you can get *zapped* LOL
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Post# 40650-6/22/2004-23:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM
MESSAGE: What happened there? I'm curious to see how you can get *zapped* LOL
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Post# 40651-6/22/2004-23:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: New 220 Volt Combo
MESSAGE: I saw the Supras when I was pricing combo machines (I have a water line right by my room so this could be possible) but didn't think anything of the fact that they were 220V. The testimonials were funny--"I wanted a washer/dryer upstairs for the guests to use and for the extra laundry."
--Austin
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Post# 40652-6/22/2004-23:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Glass Glass Glass)
MESSAGE: I have some VHS-C videos of the Maytag TT and Monitor running, and there is a port for a camera-to-computer cable on my camcorder. I guess with the proper adapters and software I could digitize them?
--Austin
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Post# 40653-6/22/2004-23:58 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Great on line catologue
MESSAGE: Found this great sourse for pictures and part numbers. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like you can order directly but it may be a good parts number resource. It is in pdf format and I printed a page and the pictures turned out pretty good.
I am linking to the laundry section, but you can back up to the home page. (www.supco.com)
Steve1-18
LINK: http://www.supco.com/images/3%20Laundry%20Section.pdf
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Post# 40654-6/23/2004-00:21 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...)
MESSAGE: They were only sold for a couple of years, their track record was pretty bad all around and after battling them for a short time, Maytag offered a brand new washer and dryer set in trade for return of the combos. Westinghouse also offered a buy-back or trade-in with theirs although their run was a bit longer in the combo market.
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Post# 40655-6/23/2004-00:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: The WP/KM and GE combos were about the best of the lot for sure. I've used both at member's homes and thought they both did a great job, the WP/KM machines were definitely better at spinning and drying (not condensing - vented airflow) so that probably would give them the edge. They were complicated though, I remember someone saying they had more parts than a Volkswagen!
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Post# 40656-6/23/2004-00:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (modern detergents)
MESSAGE: Correctly used, the phosphates shouldn't cause any problems in washers. There are chemical agents in laundry detergents to prevent corrosion and damage to machine parts, absent in other detergents like dishwashing, dishwasher and household cleaners which should never be used in the clothes washer. Which is another reason not to pre-rinse your dishes, the detergent will eat away the seals and parts of the dishwasher!
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Post# 40657-6/23/2004-00:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: Westinghouse had an 18lb tub in the very late 60's as well as Norge and I believe GE was neck 'n neck in there too. The Sears catalog experts can verify this, but I think Whirlpool/Kenmore had a "Large Capacity" earlier in the 60's but I don't know that they actually put the "18 Pound" rating on them...
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Post# 40658-6/23/2004-00:46 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember?
MESSAGE: I think there may have been a front-loader "dry spell" much later & shorter with the WCI/Electrolux takeover, I've seen machines with the old Westy design and reverse tumble right up to '95-96 or so.
Whirlpool/Kenmore had combos from 1957 to about 1973, GE continued for a year or so beyond that leaving just Westinghouse/WCI to bear the entire demand for front-load washers. ;-) Maytag combos were only around for two or three years in the early 60's.
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Post# 40659-6/23/2004-00:58 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: That poor thing doesn't hold much, huh?
Slap away... ;-)
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Post# 40660-6/23/2004-01:05 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: Occasionally on the POD there is a washer that is called the WP "Whopper"Is this an early 18Lb machine?When was it released to the market-?Would like to have one.
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Post# 40661-6/23/2004-01:18 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: I have a refrigerator with a run capacitor for the compressor. The terminals on the capacitor have corroded off but the refrig. still runs fine. What is that capacitor for and should I worry about replacing it even if the refrig. runs fine? Thanks for the help. Glen.
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Post# 40662-6/23/2004-01:27 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Georgia Washer Boyz
MESSAGE: Any of you guys in the Atlanta area want to get together Saturday for lunch.
Drop me a line at svb14@hotmail.com and I will let you know where and when.
Please put Atlanta in the subject line so it won't get filtered into my junk mail.
Steve1-18
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Post# 40663-6/23/2004-01:47 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: Run capacitors are used for power factor correction-and make the motor draw less current from the power source.It corrects for the inductive reactance of the motor.The motor may run OK without it-but it would be a good idea to replace it.The motor may overheat without it.Its rare that they fail.They are lower capacitrance value than start caps.They are in the circuit all the time the motor is energized.Run caps are generally have an oil type dielectric.A note of caution-in early electrical devices these caps could contain PCB's.Run caps are also used in Air conditioning compressers-the one in your house may have one.They were used for some larger motors as well-on power tools-I replaced a run cap on a 2 hp motor-it had start caps as well that had failed-the only run cap(other than yours) that was bad.The motor was a a "brick and Block" saw used by masons for cutting bricks.Had a 14" diamond cutting blade and a small water pump to pump water onto the cutting path of the diamond wheel.It was fun trying that one out after replacing its cap!Cut many bricks to prove to the owner that the machine was fixed.You could run the machine on a standard 15A 120V line.If you tried to cut to fast with it-would trip the branch circuit breaker.Uusually a 2Hp motor would draw about 20A from 120V.Oh-I thought of another run cap that failed-was in a transmitter blower.The blower manufacturer even gave it to me Free-He commented it was the only one he had heard of that failed.The cap could actually be considered a start-run cap.The blower motor did not have a centrifical switch.The cap actred for both start and run functions.Since the motor was turning a fan-hi start torque unnecesary in that application.
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Post# 40664-6/23/2004-02:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs)
MESSAGE: Besides the seal issue, just think of the mechanical COMPLEXITY of a washer dryer combo. More things are BOUND to go wrong with a machine that complicated. I imagine they were a b---h to work on, too, with all those parts crammed into a case the size of a regular 27" washer in most cases. Apparently, though, the Maytag combo was ESPECIALLY bad. Has anybody heard which manufacturer made the LEAST troublesome combos?
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Post# 40665-6/23/2004-02:15 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent
MESSAGE: Tide, Blue Cheer, Oxydol
Final Touch...and Downey ...all pre 1980
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Post# 40666-6/23/2004-02:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (spray arm switchover)
MESSAGE: Actually, Austin, the switch to spray arms from impellers began around 1963 for brands other than KitchenAid
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Post# 40667-6/23/2004-02:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse)
MESSAGE: Yes, for a while Westinghouse was the ONLY company that continued to make a FL washer. CR always showed them as having a poor Frequency Of Repair record, which is surprising seeing as how the mechanism was rather simple. Also, capacity was rather small. Most people bought them because they were stackable at a time before the current "stackables" were introduced by other manufacturers.
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Post# 40668-6/23/2004-02:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: Fifties?! Heck, I remember that having a dishwasher in the SIXTIES was considered a "luxury". And often, I remember people who DID have them often didn't use them, and continued to wash dishes by hand.
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Post# 40669-6/23/2004-03:04 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: My family's first dishwasher arrived in 1975.
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Post# 40670-6/23/2004-03:06 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (spray arm switchover)
MESSAGE: I remember my parents saying that when they got their first dishwasher....it was between a KA and a Kenmore. It was 1969...my dad insisted that my mom have a dishwasher cause my middle sister was on the way. My mom was opposed to the idea but my dad won out.
The local sears store had live tests...between Kenmore and KA. The Kenmore being D&M design with upper roto-rack.and a full spray arm on the bottom..the KA not having any upper spray arm.
The Kenmore won out big time. The roto rack...while having limited capacity...and a learned loading method......had advantages. Anything you put in there came clean. And besides that...the centrif. force after the machine stopped made sure u never had a wet bottom of a coffee cup..or grit.
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Post# 40671-6/23/2004-03:25 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Vintage dishwasher performance)
MESSAGE: I may only have 30 year old memories, but I distinctly remember how poor the performance was of my Grandmother's 1963 spin tube Frigidaire. Hers also had the little spray arm in the top of the tub. Back then, my daily breakfast was a bowl of Malt-O-Meal and it simply would not get the bowl clean, even when washed the same day. In hindsight, I blame the short cycles rather than the spray tube technology for the poor performance. But, even vintage dishwashers probably perform much better with today's detergents. I noticed you were using Cascade, one of the top-rated brands, so it probably makes up a lot for the short cycles. The 1962 Kenmore 600 TL impeller-type machine I'm using now temporarily seems to clean much better now than when I last used it about 10 years ago.
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Post# 40672-6/23/2004-03:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM (zapping)
MESSAGE: Last time I got zapped was by my 78 LK, stupid me simply forgot to unplug it when checking a connection. Was not quite "zapped" one time when working on a KM electric combo in the 70's, it has "leakage" that gave me that "humming" sensation without actually making me react like getting shocked
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Post# 40673-6/23/2004-04:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: 56 Frigidaire loading
MESSAGE: tsk, tsk what's this? Sharp knives in flatware basket with blades up? :-)
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Post# 40674-6/23/2004-05:42 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Hi Dan, Thanks for the compliment, I`m enjoying them very much.When I got them the control panels looked like new except for some spots where bleach(I guess)damaged the paint and when I went to buy paint I saw this pink and thought it would give them a bit of the 50s look. See ya!
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Post# 40675-6/23/2004-06:15 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Vintage dishwasher performance)
MESSAGE: I have heard that too, i.e. in point ..... my '56 GE mobile maid does not perform as well as my '60LK, both top-load impeller type machines, but the LK has longer wash/rinse times than the GE, AND the LK has a "super" setting for BOTH the wash and rinse to put either at a full 15 minutes .......
I think VERY 150 degree hot water makes a big diff too .....
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Post# 40676-6/23/2004-07:18 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: New 220 Volt Combo
MESSAGE: Yeah it might sound OK but read the fine print 11lb to wash 5.5lb to dry.You end up with piles of washing waiting on the dryer. Inherited one similar with the new house but it broke down very quickly. I went back to FP.
Peter
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Post# 40677-6/23/2004-08:02 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Just picked up a bucket of this detergent yesterday at the Sears catalogue store on sale for $9.99. After reading what you and gregm say about it, can't wait to try it in the old Kenmore.
Dick S
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Post# 40678-6/23/2004-08:33 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Hi Dano-I'm curious. You write that the boxed Costco detergent smells a bit like Tide. Do you mean the present day "original scent" Tide or the old Tide?
And YES!!! I do remember the old White King Flakes! That is really the earliest soap smell I can recall. My grandparents used it in their old Thor wringer and I used to step up on a box and lean over the edge of the tub to smell that odor wafting up to my nostrils. But I think my classic memory of it is opening up the soap cap on to top of an old Bendix and smelling that old White King mixed with Clorox and La France Bluing all doing their best to produce the whitest 100 % cotton sheets that were then hung out on the line to dry. By the way, this old Bendix was in Petaluma!
I think it was in the early 60s or maybe even the late 50s that they introduced the White King D which I didn't like at all. I kind of forgot about the Flakes as by that time I was hooked on Tide which has remained my all time favorite.
I called the company last year and was told they no longer make it and from what I hear it was only deistributed in certain regions. I remember Safeway carrying it on their shelves much longer than other supermarket chains.
I'm also curious about the reply you will get from Proctor and Gamble. Maybe if enough of us write in, they just might put a little serious thought into this matter. I for one would love it!
Dick S.
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Post# 40679-6/23/2004-08:46 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: pentaswirl agitator
MESSAGE: Greg-Growing up around these old machines I would generally use this rule of thumb. The lower priced models of both Kenmore and Whirlpool had the gray or sometimes black and white speckled tubs and the higher up the ladder you went in models, the more likely you were to see a white tub.
Dick S.
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Post# 40680-6/23/2004-09:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, no it holds a fair amount, just right actually for the three of us (dog dishes included). Can’t you fit all your dishes in your spray tube dishwasher? Oh dear, I’m sorry, I just remembered you don’t have one ;)
ker-slap, hmmmmph!
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Post# 40681-6/23/2004-09:43 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (SEARs HE det)
MESSAGE: Let me know what you think, for me personally one scoop (comes with scoop inside bucket) in a front loader is plenty. I even only use one scoop in the vintage Kenmores and Whirlpools or maybe two for heavily soiled loads whereas its "HE", it prevents "suds-locking" ...........
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Post# 40682-6/23/2004-09:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: I am anxious for gregn's reply ......... hehehe, some early fireworks in applianceville .......
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Post# 40683-6/23/2004-09:59 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: Hey there,
I have adopted a Westinghouse front loader from our wonderful member Steve 1-18. I have had loads of fun with it. I am actually shocked at how much this machine can wash and spin. It can hold much more than most of the top loaders that I have had over the years. It washes very well. My only complaint is that I wish the spin was faster.
Does anyone know if the spin was faster on the models that had the reverse tumble? I know that Steve 1-18 said that a friend of his asked him to take a look at her machine. He was totally shocked when he pulled off the back of the machine. It was totally different in mechanism, although the outside of the machine looked the same.
Brent
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Post# 40684-6/23/2004-10:37 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Bob Amerman (Appnut),
Happy Birthday to you!!! I hope you have a wonderful day, especially on this very special occasion!!!
Louis
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Post# 40685-6/23/2004-10:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: When I was growing up in a newer area, pretty much everyone had dishwashers. I never knew until much later that they were considered a luxury by some, and surprisingly still are in some circles even today. I suppose it's all a matter of your budget and what you've become accustomed to. Personally, I'd make minimum payments on a Sears card for who knows how long before I'd ever go without one.
I understand monetary limitations, but I've never quite gotten that whole "don't like it, don't use it" thing. Maybe it's different when you haven't had one, but to me sink washed dishes just don't pass muster on many levels. I deal with it for a few days up at the lake, but that's about it. Fortunately they have super hot water for rinsing. My roommate doesn't like dishwashers and I wouldn't be surprised if he takes it out and puts in another cabinet when I move out. The other day my mom was telling me about her neighbor in Arizona who never used hers and took it out so she'd have the little alcove for her cat food bowls, LOL.
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Post# 40686-6/23/2004-10:48 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Happy birthday Bob!! Maybe today you can finally replace the Shredmore with a vintage BD ;-)
Have a great day!
--Austin
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Post# 40687-6/23/2004-10:49 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday
MESSAGE: Best wishes from Rhinnie and me.
I will wash a load in your honor, today!
Steve1-18
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Post# 40688-6/23/2004-10:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Bob! Happy Birthday to you dear friend! Thanks for bringing this to our attention Louis! Must add this to my calendar. I'm not sure, but thinking this might be an "extra special" birthday this year for Bob. (30?) ;-)
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Post# 40689-6/23/2004-11:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: I really don't like the reverse tumble on today's FL's and non-stacking Westys; it takes away from the water drama (just like the automatic water level control on modern FLs does...). As for spin performance, I know CR complained about water extraction when they tested one in the early 90's. The capacity of an FL is always misleading when you look at the interior of one. I was surprised how much I could fit into my aunt/uncle's Frigidaire (Frigemore) FL, even though it had a relatively small tub.
The ultimate Westinghouse "dream FL" I would like to find is the "Taller Tumbler" washer, made in the late 60's I believe. Pre-WCI, great features such as high water levels, small depth, no stooping to load, and a storage drawer below it. I'm not sure if these reverse-tumble or not; I'd take one even if they do!
--Austin
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Post# 40690-6/23/2004-11:15 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: Everything old is new again. Westinghouse always made a f/l washer, also the spacemates that you could stack and the taller tumbler with the draw below. I have a late 80's spacemate under the Gibson name and you are correct. I love the way it rolls the clothes through the water and does not reverse! I do wish spin was faster and the clunk of solenoids was quieter- scares some ppl that are not used to it. Water levels are controlled today because of energy/water usage issues. If I'm not mistaken, the older f/l really didn't use that much less water considering the size load that they could hold. But it is great to watch!
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Post# 40691-6/23/2004-11:20 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (joining the ranks...........)
MESSAGE: Happy day, Bob....... and you know what I mean..... :) SteveD
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Post# 40692-6/23/2004-11:23 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: Hey, Although I'm not sure of the spin speed, the reverse tumble washers were the forerunner to the current 1-belt drive Frigidaires, and not the old pulley and belt design of Westinghouse.
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Post# 40693-6/23/2004-11:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (joining the ranks...........)
MESSAGE: Hey Bob, happy Birthday! Are you putting candles on an agitator today?
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Post# 40694-6/23/2004-11:24 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: and can someone refresh my memory? I seem to remember that it was necessary to "discharge" a capacitor to avoid a nasty shock.......inquiring minds wanna know, and I dont want to see Gregm go sailing over my house......
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Post# 40695-6/23/2004-11:32 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (Happy Birthday)
MESSAGE: Happy Birthday Bob
Have a jet action of a day
Peter
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Post# 40696-6/23/2004-11:51 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: Happy Birthday Bob!
MESSAGE: Have a wonderful day Bob!
Brent
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Post# 40697-6/23/2004-11:53 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: Sorry, this is a long post, but this is a fascinating topic.
I wonder if there has ever been research done on this. I don't think that there is any other appliance that has such a psychological effect on people. I think that, dishwasher-wise, people can be broken down into three main categories:
1. People who cannot imagine life without them.
2. People who use them, but do not trust them (and often, when pressed, cannot explain why, and put a sudden stop to the conversation with "I JUST DON'T!").
3. People who loathe them. These people have all sorts of reasons why--they can do a better job themselves, they use less water washing them in the sink, etc. When confronted with scientific fact to the contrary, they get tight-lipped and hate their dishwasher even more.
I find group #2 to be the most annoying. I used to think that the mistrustful group was an older demographic (my grandmother, for example). But a well-educated 30-something woman I know bought a house which has one of the second-to-last Hobart-design KitchenAids. As I watched her carefully rinse off her dishes in the sink, I told her that she didn't need to do that. She said that she was sure I was right, and some day she'd "experiement" to see. On another visit, she informed me that she had tried not rinsing, and sure enough, everything came out perfectly. But then she rinsed her dishes that night. "I though you said they came out clean without rinsing?" "Oh, they did. I think I'll just do this anyway, though." "But you're just wasting water! And if there's no food soil for the detergent to work on, it will just eat your glasses instead!" "Really? Hmm. Well, I think I prefer to rinse them, anyway."
Another story--my partner's mother has always been a rinser. Actually, more of a prewash and prerinser--with dishwashing liquid in the sink. When we met, Todd didn't even have a dishwasher--"They don't do a good job." So I found a mid-90's Kenmore UltraWash III at the salvation army ($10) and hooked it up. We didn't rinse anything that went in this machine. For about a year, after every load, he'd examine every glass under bright light and gloat whenever he found the smallest speck. But after awhile he stopped doing that and became a believer. Then this last thanksgiving he went to his parents' house and after dinner he decided to demonstrate how well her 3-year-old Maytag would do without rinsing. She balked, but he did it anyway--even put the roasting pan from the turkey in. Todd pointed out that even the manual FOR the dishwasher said not to prerinse, but she would not be swayed. She continued to protest, and eventually was in tears at what Todd was doing to her dishwasher. Literally crying that he was going to ruin it. Of course everything came out perfectly clean, but to her, that's just lucky coincidence. And of course that's further proof that my "mother-in-law" is mentally ill, but that's another story. :)
T.
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Post# 40698-6/23/2004-12:10 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (Happy Birthday Bob)
MESSAGE: Have a great birthday Bob. Hope your new year is full of lots of happiness, great friends and much fun.
Sincerly
Dan and Family
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Post# 40699-6/23/2004-12:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Sounds "
normal"
prerinsing dishes, but "
weird"
when you prerinse clothes!)
MESSAGE: I compare pre-rinsing dishes that really don't need it to running every single piece of dirty laundry under hot water. Wasteful and completely unnecessary as well. However, if a frying pan is really dirty, I usually scrub it with an SOS pad before putting it in the BOL "plastic" Hotpoint, which, in my opinion, is the crappiest dishwasher I have ever used. The top spray arm is so weak it's not even funny.
As for clothes, I don't pre-rinse them, obviously ;-), but if something is really dirty (like my sister's grass-stained jeans), I spray a liberal amount of Spray 'N Wash on it and use the "Heavy Duty" or "Regular" setting, depending on which washer I use.
--Austin
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Post# 40700-6/23/2004-12:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!! (joining the ranks...........)
MESSAGE: Or better yet, an agitator-shaped cake!
--Austin
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Post# 40701-6/23/2004-13:09 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday!!!
MESSAGE: Hi Bob,
best wishes from Germany too. I hope you have a great day and a new year full of great washers.
Kai
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Post# 40702-6/23/2004-13:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: I'm holding out for a Tappan spinning drum dishwasher...
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Post# 40703-6/23/2004-13:15 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Maytag combo...dogs (Wrong!))
MESSAGE: Interesting Greg. In Southern California most people dry with gas. The Duomatics I ever saw were gas fired and vented. Could dry a load of towels in about 30 minutes. I had never seen a condensor combo until I saw yours. The whirlpool and Kenmores I would think may have cleaned alittle better because of less water and the fact it sprayed the clothing throughout the washing process. Bendix had a habit of everything rolling up in a ball. Especially sheets. I have not seen a GE combo. I would like to see one in action.
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Post# 40704-6/23/2004-13:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Happy Birthday Bob!
MESSAGE: All the best Bob!
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Post# 40705-6/23/2004-13:32 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: 18lb capacity, more trivia
MESSAGE: I always thought Norge was the first top-loader to do 18 lbs.
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Post# 40706-6/23/2004-13:49 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: new capacitor WORKS !!!! > :)
MESSAGE: Well first I called "Allied" and the woman who answered the phone, although very nice, had no clue and told me I needed to provide her with # ohms, composition (makeup, i.e.-carbon? film?), and something else, so I said to myself "oh brother", actually I said something worse TO MYSELF, then I called "GRAINGER" and low and behold they have a location just 15 min away in north WORCESTER, but you have to have an acct. but the guy was cool and I gave him the name of one of my business accts right down the street from them and he said "that'll work!" so I picked up the capacitor for $3.50ish and ALL he asked was the MFD range ........ I just hooked it up and now the machine runs GREAT !!!!!, all is well ..... thanks to all who took the time to give me your advice and help, such an EASY fix that could have been alot more time consuming due to my lack of knowledge. Not only is the turquoise WCD-65 back in operation but I am also the wiser/smarter too. -gregm
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Post# 40707-6/23/2004-14:09 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I am not sure what possess's people to rinse or wash their dishes before placing them into a more than capable dishwasher. My cousin and her husband remodled their kitchen last year and a friend give them her "Estate" by Whirlpool dishwasher because she had bought a new one. Well needless to say my cousin loves having it with 4 kids and adults. However her husband complains that his water bill has shot thru the roof. While he is complaining that his bill is so high,he is most efficiently rinsing every single piece before placing it into the machine. I asked him why he is doing that since it was not necessary. He says that he can't stand the thought of food particles floating around in the water. He even went as far as acknowledging that he knew the machine had a soft food grinder that would take care of scrapes. But he still refused to stop rinsing. So I cooly told him that " It must be nice having all this money to throw away on a water bill" He didn't like that too much. Well that was my 2 cents worth.
Chris
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Post# 40708-6/23/2004-14:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: my mom does and has always done the same thing, thank god she only used literally half a teaspoon of det (brand-finish) at the very beginning, never in any other "det cups" whereas otherwise the det would have just "eaten" the dishes and DW components ......... I don't get it, she still does this and she literally rinses them clean, not just a quick squirt ......, it is definately psychological I guess. I just scrape excess food/garbage off, thats it ....... well I guess we all have our peeves ..........
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Post# 40709-6/23/2004-14:21 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: to late, hehehe, I already installed the capacitor and everything is working perfectly thank god ........ glad I did not get "discharged" so to speak ..........
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Post# 40710-6/23/2004-14:26 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Sounds )
MESSAGE: I agree, if something is really burnt/baked on, I will try SOS or simply soaking in hottest water with dishsoap overnight ..... then dump out water and place right in the DW. Even my sister takes after my mom with the "pre-rinsing" thing, I think I can persuade her it is not necessary but my mom, nope, .........
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Post# 40711-6/23/2004-14:35 ||| Frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?!
MESSAGE: Gansky--- A Tappan Spinning Drum whatsit? Is there really such a thing or are you and Uni having one over on us? Is this like the 'muffler belt' I had installed in my car a few years back? LOL
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Post# 40712-6/23/2004-14:39 ||| neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Sounds )
MESSAGE: You know I have found a trick that maybe other people know about. I always keep a small bottle of Liquid-Gel Cascade on hand(I always use Cascade Complete powder). When I have a baking dish or something that has really burned on gunk I squirt some of the detergent on the pan and rub it in. I then place it into the dishwasher and leave it sit for about 30 minutes.Then start the dishwasher. And every single time the pan comes out sprakling clean and not a spec of burned on balck stuff left. Just a helpful hint if anyone wishes to try it. Maybe good for those of you who have the vintage machines.
Happy dishwashing! :-)
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Post# 40713-6/23/2004-14:39 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Burnt Pans)
MESSAGE: What we do is take burnt on pans and sprinkle with baking soda and cover with water let soak while loading the dishwasher (about 10 minutes) then scrap out the burnt on and then wash.
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Post# 40714-6/23/2004-14:57 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I'm not fortunate enough to own a vintage dishwasher. Some day I'll have a vintage kitchen (wouldn't sit well where I am now) with vintage appliances.
Now having said that I admit to being a number 1. In my opinion it's called a DISHWASHER for one reason, and if it's not doing its job it either gets fixed or kicked to the curb, and replaced with one that does what it is supposed to do. I have a Bosch Integrated model, and while I'm not thrilled with the racks (I'm a KA lover from way back!), it does wash well!
My mother is between 1 and 2. I know it's because of the dishwahser she had in the 50s. It was a Youngstown dishwasher (her first) and they didn't do a very good job according to her. She now has a TOL KA and still rinses. Tears my heart out every time I see her do it, but she's 81 I figure let her do her thing. She deserves it!!
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Post# 40715-6/23/2004-15:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Now your dishwashing with gas)
MESSAGE: Ohh, that sounds very cool Greg. I think another neat find would be a Preway gas dishwasher, the only dw ever made to use natural gas as a heat source. Then I could say "now your dishwashing with gas".
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Post# 40716-6/23/2004-15:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I'm a "one" for sure, even if I had to use a carocelle counter-top water pressure powered dishwasher.
LINK: http://www.carocelle.com/dishwasher-portable.html
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Post# 40717-6/23/2004-15:06 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: Robert,
Does that model heat the water? We had one similar to yours, except it had a spring door like an oven and a big dial that I think you pushed to start the machine. I remember having a Younstown Top loader dishwasher with the spray tube down the middle, then the Frigidaire with front loader with the tube between the racks and from there, she has always had kitchen aid. Funny story, when they moved into the house they are in now in 1969 there was a Westinghouse dishwasher in the kitchen and my Mom refused to use it. Within the first week it was replaced with a Kitchen Aid Superba. She only recently replaced it and it wasn't because it didn't work it was only because she remodeled and wanted a newer model.
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Post# 40718-6/23/2004-15:10 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: My mom is also between #1 and 2. She would never live without one and does not doubt it's ability......
To her it's just the mere thought of the dirty dishes in there....she can't deal with it ...so she rinses and then complains that she has to replace her drinking glasses once a year cause of the etching.
Her never living without one I think has more to do with the fact that the machine hides dirty dishes from piling up in the sink.
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Post# 40719-6/23/2004-15:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Appnut Birthday
MESSAGE: Very Best Wishes to You on Your Special Day of the Year!
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Post# 40720-6/23/2004-15:37 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: My New LG!
MESSAGE: Hi guys I just received my new LG combo yesturday. I know I am not supposed to discuss in this area. Sorry I was so excited so I was able to post a few photos in the sandbox photos under Peters LG if anyone is interested in checking out and I will continue discussions in the sanbox.
Thanks
Peter
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Post# 40721-6/23/2004-15:42 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: GE FL Combo
MESSAGE: Had an old condo back in '79. It came with a GE FL Combo in the kitchen. I recall it could only hold small loads of towels or other heavy fabrics, or it would stall. I had no mechanical trouble with it and it had obviously been there since the condo's were built in the mid 60's. Had a relative with one who had it over 20 years. Don't know if there was ever any trouble with it. Wished I had kept mine!
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Post# 40722-6/23/2004-15:42 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: KN Roto-Rack
MESSAGE:
What drives the Kenmore roto-rack?
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Post# 40723-6/23/2004-16:03 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack
MESSAGE: a hose or tube connected directly to the pump went up the back corner wall off the dishwasher tub. This was connected to a a spray tube that protruded about 1/2 way under the roto rack. Water was sprayed directly up for cleaning and to the right (if viewed from the front of the machine) for rotation. Roto rack rotated clockwise if viewed from top.
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Post# 40724-6/23/2004-16:20 ||| deeptub (Carbondale, IL)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I would never be without a dishwasher. I had actually considered a Carocelle once. I recall someone saying that they worked rather well. My first apartment was a studio in the upstairs of a house. I felt like Mary Tyler Moore. My upstairs neighbor's name was Rhonda, which was almost as good as Rhoda--plus she was salty beyond her central Illinois upbringing. BUT the Dwyer kitchenette had a miniscule bar-size sink. I had to put a dishpan on the stove (which was immediately next to the sink) to wash in, then rinse in the sink. There was NOWHERE to stack dirty dishes, and if company came spur, I would put the dirties in the oven. One night, after living there for 2 years, I started the dishes too soon after cooking and melted a spiral hole into the bottom of my dishpan. That's when I bought my first vintage appliance, my formerly avocado KitchenAid KDS-17A, at the Salvation Army for $20. It was completely orange inside with iron deposits and the racks were dire, but for $20, I didn't care. The iron stains came off rather easily with a Scotch-Brite blue scrubbie, and I fashioned some portable-type hookups with hardware store paraphernalia. I was even able to bolt a 2x4 piece of oiled plywood to the top, which TRIPLED my counter space. Friends used to bring their dirty dishes over in laundry hampers (we were in college--nobody had dishwashers). By apartment #2, I had found a KDC-17 portable with BEAUTIFUL racks at the salvation army. I bought it for $40, swapped the racks, then sold the portable to an acquaintance for $50 (I'm not a heel--he insisted on paying that much--i tried to GIVE it to him). The Superba has followed me through 4 apartments and two towns since.
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Post# 40725-6/23/2004-16:51 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (GE)
MESSAGE: The only GE combo's I remember were top loaders,made I believe by WCI. I did see one oddball TL combo GE,where the lid folded,instead of lifted up. Don't recall who made that one.
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Post# 40726-6/23/2004-17:31 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack
MESSAGE:
Thanks for the reply. I assumed the rotation was driven by the water jets but wanted to ask...as a child I thought it must be driven by a springy metal belt or something! I grew up with a'59 KA with the cast iron washarm, then a (yuck) '79 WCI. The WCI washarms were always getting plugged with food particles.
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Post# 40727-6/23/2004-17:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (GE Combo; Portable Variations)
MESSAGE: The GE FL Combos were made during the 50's and 60's. The washer/dryer was in one unit, not stacked. John Lefever has a 1966 model with a condenser dryer.
As for the "folding lids", I've seen Kenmore, Whirlpool, and Montgomery Ward (WCI) machines where the plastic lid is 2-piece. Btw, there are many variations of the GE Portable Automatic Washer; an impeller machine made during the 70's by Hitachi (which I have), a direct-drive version made during the early--mid 90's by Whirlpool, a Spacemaker Portable made by WCI in the 80's (folding-lid model), a TOL Spacemaker Portable (also Japanese-made I believe; has either a regular straight-vane agitator or "Pulgitator") with touchpad controls, and finally a machine (probably WCI as well) that's basically a rebadged present-day Kenmore portable. Controls vary among the machines.
--Austin
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/MUSEUM/General-Electric/GE-Combo-JohnL/GE-Combo-JohnL-Exterior.jpg
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Post# 40728-6/23/2004-17:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Vintage Hotpoint Set on eBay...
MESSAGE: Both work great! Machines in overall good condition, and by looking at the emblems on the control panel, washer has the "handwash" 2-piece agitator. $50. California.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3823453711&rd=1
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Post# 40729-6/23/2004-18:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Great condition, restored, repainted Monitor washer. Gravity drain on this one; pump-equipped machines really don't work that well anyway and are also wheel-driven, so the bearing freezes up more often and needs constant attention. The only problem with this machine is that the impeller needs to be kick-started for the motor to run. I've looked at the motor on my full-size Monitor, and I don't see a starting capacitor on it, so I'm dumbfounded on what could be causing this. Interesting impeller and drain variation; no screen necessary. Can't miss this one!!
My full-size Monitor will probably be on eBay by the end of the summer, with a white powdercoated tub (corrosion evident on steel) and working pump (for now...LOL) .
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3684816160&rd=1
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Post# 40730-6/23/2004-18:28 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: We got our first dishwasher in 1961. My mom was a nurse and thought the diswasher was like a sterilizer, with the hot water and detergent. It was from Wards, but looked like a KA inside. Did not have a stainless interior, but one big stainless arm in the bottom. We did scrape and rinse, but the machine actually washed pretty well. They had that machine probably for about 15 years.
I got my own in 1968 at a garage sale for $15.00. It was a top loader with the impeller wash action, obviously from the 1950's. I've been trying to remember the make. It may have been a Hotpoint. It had a chrome loop handle in front that you would twist to open the top, it was not one of those that slid out. I used this machine at several different apartments and different roommates, in San Francisco, but it worked quite well. It was great to have a dishwasher when there were roommates, I didn't mind loading and unloading it, and it kept the sink clean. And I do think the impeller machines used less water. I kept this machine until 1980.
I bought a house and a portable machine from Sears. When I remodeled my kitchen, I put the faucet adaptor on the bathroom sink and washed dishes in the hall next to the bathroom. After the kitchen was done, since the machine was convertible, I built it in.
Where I live now I replaced the BOL Hotpoint from the 1980's with a 2000 Kenmore with Ultrawash System. It was made before the change in detergents and only takes about 45 minutes to wash. And it does fine with the new detergents. The Hotpoint did a lousey job even though it had like 4 rinses, because there was no filter or disposer, plus it started leaking from the front of the door.
Now I wish I had the top loader, for my collection.
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Post# 40731-6/23/2004-18:32 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I bought our first dw 14 yrs.ago.It was a Whirlpool portable model DP8700XT.This was one of the last of the enameled tub machines.My father to this day thinks it is a frivilous appliance,...even though it has washed the grungiest caked on dishes spotless without pre-rinsing time and time again.
Holidays are the only time these days it gets used and even that is rare.I myself would use it everyday if i could but we do not generate that much dishes.My mother was a convert in no time,but now it is relegated to a part of the kitchen where it sits becoming a table to put things on.
I stressed to my parents that this is more efficient than handwashing and the results are far better,.....but like everything else old habits die hard. I guess it is easier to wash as you go as opposed to fill the machine over time.
Pat
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Post# 40732-6/23/2004-18:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: My mother from the start never did prerinse or prewash with the 1975 KA . . and of course, neither did I. Scraping heavy soil, yes. I guess she understood the machine was intended to wash dirty dishes.
One of my sisters, however, does basically wash everything before loading, with a soaper/scrubber at the sink. The few times I loaded up at her house, she gasped in horror, so I try to do it quickly when she's not looking, hehehe. Of course, all the machines she has had are very low-end GEs or Hotpoints, with center towers and no filtering system, so I can kinda see her point.
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Post# 40733-6/23/2004-18:57 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I just wanted to add that i noticed that the last several times i used the machine,coffee cups do not come out as clean as they used to before.I pretty much use hi-temp wash and the normal cycle.
Do these self cleaning machines need to periodically have the filters checked? or is it the age of the machine (bought in 1990)? Otherwise it still does a great job for the most part.
I really want to hold on to the machine for as long as i can.
ThanksPat
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Post# 40734-6/23/2004-19:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: Wow! Glad the cap fixed your washer.Great that you found one-saw your earlier entry-You ended up getting it from Grainger.Once they get to know you-then its not much of a problem.I know the manager of the one near me.The place I work for does a lot of business with them.The old cap would not need to be "discharged" since its bad-can't store or hold a charge.
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Post# 40735-6/23/2004-19:11 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story )
MESSAGE: In most motor applications-no.The cap has a path of discharge when the motor is stopped.Run caps can use the windings as a "bleeder." In start caps-the closed start switch and start windings and run windings serve as a bleeder.In some HV electronic applications-yes.They can store a lethal charge.The transmitters I work with are a good example.I take a grounding hook to each and every oil deielectric cap I see.Some do have a charge--KWAPPP--as you touch it with the ground stick.Broadcast Transmitter caps can be VERY dangerous.Around the house-the pix tube of a TV can store a good charge.It acts like a cap.Sometimes caps in microwave ovens can store a charge.Back to motor run caps-newer ones have a bleeder resistor built into them-NEC code requirements.Same with caps used in HID lamp ballast circuits.(HID lights-High pressure sodium,Metal halide,Mercury vapor)Its a good practice to ground out caps in circuits that are malfunctioning.
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Post# 40736-6/23/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: I confess-I too am a dish scraper-rinser.Guess I got it from my mother.I have a newer KA machine-the owners manual with says indeed you can put dishes in it without scraping or rinsing.Tried it once-the dishes came out with little "specks" on em-had to run 'em thru again-this time OK.My machine has an especially hard time with rice.Its grinder pump won't shred it and just spits the rice all over the dishes.Back to scraping and rinsing!I guess dishwashers make poor garbage disposers-least mine anyway.
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Post# 40737-6/23/2004-19:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY!
MESSAGE: Wonder if the machines motor has a bad centrifical start switch.the switch should be closed when the motor is stopped.This connects the start winding to the line when power is first applied to the motor.If the start winding was bad-the machine would usually trip out the line breaker or fuse-Good thing to check though.
both the switch and start winding can be checked with an ohmmeter.
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Post# 40738-6/23/2004-19:52 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: Our 1993-95 BOL Hotpoint has had problems from day 1. When we bought the house in 1998 (built in '67) the inspector wrote on the list that the dishwasher (and In-Sink-Erator disposer) didn't work. Our plan was to buy a Kenmore Ultra Wash (new at the time) with matching disposer. The disposer was dead, however, I tried the DW and sure enough, it worked fine. After 2 years, it started leaking below the door, which had a bad seal. Somehow, it mysteriously stopped. Now it's leaking again...this time out of sight, causing the laminate floor in the kitchen to rise. It's pretty much beyond repair now, so when we replace the floor, the dishwasher will go too. Hopefully a Bosch will replace it...
--Austin
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Post# 40739-6/23/2004-20:15 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: you had one of those "builders Brand" Hotpoints as well-When I moved into the house in NC-it had the "BOL" Hotpoint.It worked OK-but replaced it anyway with the KA Supurbia.The KA is much better.The Hotpoint was NOISEY.Sounded like a tractor in the kitchen.I did see a "classic" KA washer at the Habitat For Humanity" store-$15 bucks-just might buy it for the heck of it!
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Post# 40740-6/23/2004-20:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint)
MESSAGE: This machine definitely isn't quiet! :)
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Post# 40741-6/23/2004-20:38 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: love the POD 6-23-04
MESSAGE: ATOMIC EVIDENCE !!!!!!!!!!!!, hahahaha ........
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Post# 40742-6/23/2004-20:43 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (porc or enam ?)
MESSAGE: I think the FL GE combos from the 60's were porecelain and not enamel ...... I am almost positive that my '66 is porcelain front .........
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Post# 40743-6/23/2004-20:45 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack (but)
MESSAGE: true, but my '60 LK has a roto-rack but no tube, just the impeller in the bottom ...... supposedly there is some centrifugal force generated with the impeller and the upper rack may turn some but not like when they installed the short tube underneath then the rack would really turn and cleaning improved in that rack dramatically ........ what year did they start with the tube ? 62 ?
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Post# 40744-6/23/2004-20:53 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (WP dw's)
MESSAGE: I think WP in the 70's and 80's made a GREAT dw that even baked/burnt on stuff came out sparkling, I previously had a 1970 top-load portable that cleaned really well.
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Post# 40745-6/23/2004-20:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Bendix POD
MESSAGE: So what year is it?
(Tongue in cheek)It's so obviously superior how could anyone even CONSIDER buying a different brand?
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Post# 40746-6/23/2004-20:55 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (thnx-fixed))
MESSAGE: yes, thank you again, I am so glad, what an easy fix .......
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Post# 40747-6/23/2004-20:58 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (TV ?))
MESSAGE: you know, I even noticed very quickly today when I reached down in front of my new TV that I got/felt static electricity from the screen as I reached down to turn it off instead of using the remote. Didn't old TV's emit "static electricity" as well where you could get a slight "shock" ?? .... it was a very dry day here today too with no humidity, but what causes the static buildup in a TV whether new or old ??
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Post# 40748-6/23/2004-21:00 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Everybody's Combos...woof but wow!)
MESSAGE: I didn't mean cause a fuss, combos are really neat thing to have in a collection. However, what I meant to imply was that most of them had a poor service record. I don't think you would find too many original owners that were happy with them, and I know that a GE Factory Serviceman would run the other way when he saw one. A guy around the block from me had a Bendix combo, and he ran it into the 1970s untill the serviceman would no longer visit.
To see one of these old mosters in good running condition in a collection is 'the most'.
Ken D.
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Post# 40749-6/23/2004-21:02 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: My sister bought a brand new "In-sink-erator" DW in 1987, replacing an early 50's undercounter Hotpoint that did not work, (wow-if I was only into this stuff as much then, I would have saved that Hotpoint), anyways, although noisy and a Whirlpool made machine, it did a PHENOMENAL job cleaning anything you put in there, I recently found one in mint shape especially on the outside and picked it up for $35.00 .......
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Post# 40750-6/23/2004-21:11 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: My mom seems to be a 3, at least with her Magic Chef
portable. To her, it's a counter for the microwave
and occasionally a place to store steak rolls. Wanna
use the dishwasher, Mom? "Ah, ya have to unplug the
microwave!" "I can't find the faucet thing!" (The old
aerator; the dishwasher won't hook up to our new
faucet.) "I could do it faster myself!" "IT'S A PAIN
IN THE A**!!!"
We had an interesting incident yesterday when I
decided to use the dishwasher. As Mom rattled off all
of the above, I rolled the machine away from the wall
--forgetting to unplug the microwave that sits on top.
Long and bizarre story short, the prongs broke off the
microwave's plug, one of them lodging in the power
outlet. Oops.
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Post# 40751-6/23/2004-21:14 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: I thought the in-sink-erator brand from the 80's were Kitchenaids.
Have run into a few now and then. Thought it had a sideways latch instead of the usual K/A drop type latch, it did have the 4 way hydrosweep. They also had the reversing motor like the later style K/A. Up until my present d/w I always liked Whirlpool brand because of the silverware in the door;thought that was a brilliant idea!
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Post# 40752-6/23/2004-21:34 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Hee Hee Hee!)
MESSAGE: You guy are too much!
I bet you would pick it up if you saw one Greg, and gave a consumer type report on it! I would love it!
Brent
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Post# 40753-6/23/2004-21:37 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: Hey,
When I first heard about this dishwasher, I was just like you.
It did exist however at one time. I don't know of anyone that has one, or used one for that matter.
Sounds interesting dosen't it?
Did consumer reports ever report on this rare machine?
I would love to just see, and hear one work.
Brent
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Post# 40754-6/23/2004-21:40 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Now your dishwashing with gas - Norge?)
MESSAGE: I think a childhood friend of mine had this dishwasher under the Norge brand.
I remember hearing the burner kick in, and the whole thing would click and ping from the heat of the burner. I used to love to load their dishwasher and run it to hear this. They loved it when I came over after meals. Kinda funny when I think of it now. Or...kinda strange. Nah....I would still do it.
Anyone know anything about this.
They actually had it for a long time.
Brent
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Post# 40755-6/23/2004-21:42 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: GE FL Combo (porc or enam ? What???)
MESSAGE: You have A GE combo?
When did I miss this post!
Man....you have some stuff!
I also don't remember any pics of it.
Brent
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Post# 40756-6/23/2004-21:45 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Just call me Mr. Maytag (Everybody's Combos...woof but wow! No No No)
MESSAGE: Ken,
You did not stir a fuss at all. Just great conversation.
You know, I ran into a guy here that worked on these machines from when they were new, till not long ago. He told me that some of the homes in the "finer" parts of Atlanta actually had two Lady Kenmore combos. He also added that the owners would do anything to keep them running.
I am keeping my eye out.
I can't imagine how many of these have gone to appliance heaven.
Brent
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Post# 40757-6/23/2004-21:49 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: KABOOM (Oh MY!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Glad that you are okay, and found about this now!
Also glad that you are able to get the original moter re-wound. This is such a beauty! I can't get over the wash action from a "propeller" type machine!
You did a wonderful job with it! And so FAST!
Glad you did not get shocked.
What would we do without you!
Brent
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Post# 40758-6/23/2004-22:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting
MESSAGE: Hi Ralph, yes the '56 Frigidaire keeps the element running during the entire cycle to help keep the temperature of the water and the interior of the dishwasher very hot.
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Post# 40759-6/23/2004-22:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: new capacitor WORKS !!!! > :)
MESSAGE: Wonderful greg, congrats, doesn't it feel good when you brought and old machine back from its long sleep? You both must be very happy :)
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Post# 40760-6/23/2004-22:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Now your dishwashing with gas - Norge?)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I didn't realize that Preway made dishwashers for Norge, learn something new every day.
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Post# 40761-6/23/2004-22:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (luxury dishwasher)
MESSAGE: The first dishwasher I was familiar with was owned by the family one of my Great Aunts worked for, it came with the house they bought. It was a GE Mobile Maid. My Aunt would never use it, it would only get used when she took me with her on the job. Since I HATED doing dishes, I was THRILLED that there was a machine that actually did the onerous chore It was eventually given to her, but she never used it, and gave it to my OTHER Great Aunt, who never used it, either (she was also the only Aunt to own a clothes washer, first a Kelvinator and then a KM) and had no dryer). After I moved out in 1971 and into an household with 2 other guys and it soon became evident that dishwashing was going to be a problem, I went and got it from the second Great Aunt and it became the first of 3 portables we used over the years. After the GE came a Westinghouse impeller-type that had a pump moter that wouldn't always start, then the Kenmore 600 I'm currently using temporarily. After we re-modeled the kitchen in 1978, we got the first Solid State Kenmore dishwasher, which we still have, but I think I'm going to retire it because the cost to get it up and running again is going to just be too much, needing a relay board, timer, and racks (I also have the portable version of this dishwasher). In the time between 1978 and now, the Kenmore 600 was loaned to various friends, who would give it back to me when they moved. The Solid State KM will be replaced by a perfectly functional 1988 WP Solid State "re-modeling victim" that a friend grabbed for me off a parkway.
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Post# 40762-6/23/2004-22:36 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: KN Roto-Rack (but...u are correct)
MESSAGE: I know D&M made an impeller DW for sears but I have never seen one. The only inmpeller machines I've seen "live" were Hotpoint and GE.
I was born in '66 and my grandparents got a Hotpoint built in in '68...spray arm version with spray tube for top rack behind silverware basket. My parents got MOL Kenmore in 1969 ..POrtable but had full spray arm under bottom rack. We moved in '72 and they bought a '72 LK..all pushbutton ...with roto rack....I loved that dishwasher...More lit up wordS than the space shuttle.
72 LK had lit up words to indicate the water temperature
COOL/NORMAL/DELAY AND SANI underneath ...the whole cycle sequence lit up at the start and the lights when out when that portion of the cycle was finished...WASH/RINSE/RINSE/WASH/RINSE/RINSE/DRY
There was a toggle switch that let u dry for 13 or 26 minutes...this was of course before energy saving cool dry.
That machine lasted til 1980 and we...parents, myself and sisters have had Maytag dishwashers ever since.
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Post# 40763-6/23/2004-22:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (pre-rinsing)
MESSAGE: I think it's because the early dishwashers DID require pre-rinsing, again because of the short cycle times, inferior detergents of the times. Unfortunately, even after dishwashers and detergents had improved to the point where pre-rinsing was unnecessary, the habit had become ingrained, just like having to see suds in a clothes washer. The ad campaigns finally convinced people that the sight of suds in a clothes washer was unnecessary for clean clothes, but the fight goes on with pre-rinsing dishes.
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Post# 40764-6/23/2004-23:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (burnt-on stuff)
MESSAGE: I usually dishwash first, then spot clean afterward. And I've been known to run a piece through more than once, if it's item that probably won't be called for before the next load is run. That's how much I hate doing anything by hand. If I do soak, then I use hottest water and dishwasher detergent, rather than dishwashing liquid. The detergent manufacturers often recommend this method on the box. Sometimes I will open the machine during the wash, check an item I think might not get clean, scrub any stubborn spots, then put it back in for the rest of the cycle.
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Post# 40765-6/23/2004-23:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound
MESSAGE: Today I bought a 1980 RCA 10" B&W TV at the thrift store, and it's in great shape (pulls in a great picture too), but the sound is dead to the world. I've checked the connections (I had to open it up to remove the broken antenna), power/volume control, cleaned the speaker, etc., but nothing happens. I'm surprised that I don't even get static from the speaker when I turn the power/volume knob. Before I take it in for repair, does anybody have some suggestions on what might be causing this? I know some of you are familiar with TVs, so I thought I might ask. It's your garden-variety 80's B&W TV with dial tuner & UHF control, and I bought it to replace my boring 9" TV/VCR combo, which doesn't seem very realistic when I'm using the 1983 Atari.
Thanks!
--Austin
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Post# 40766-6/23/2004-23:11 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: Here's an interesting washer I found today less than a block from my place, on it's way to the crusher. I took pity on it and rescued it, as if I need or have room for another!! Take a look. I won't post a picture of the inside as it's absolutely disgusting and I don't want to traumatize some applianceville members.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/EDDY1210/13@60's%20GE%20Filter-Flo@EDDY1210.jpg
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Post# 40767-6/23/2004-23:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound
MESSAGE: If it was a vacuum tube television I could help you out Austin, but I don't know a thing about solid state tv's.
You might try Audio Karma, they have a vintage solid state tv discussion group...
LINK: http://www.audiokarma.org/forums//index.php?s=c436163194e9278ed69ec1f6effea059
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Post# 40768-6/23/2004-23:15 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: Oh Eddy, that's very fun, and yes you need another washer :)
Go ahead please traumatize us with an interior picture.
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Post# 40769-6/23/2004-23:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Well I'm at it again, I'm sure you guys are just sick of these disgusting dirty dishes pictures, but hey I'm amusing myself.
Here I put the 1953 James Dishwasher through a couple of painful wash tests, it is a fun dishwasher though...
ps. I promise I go back to clothes washing after this :)
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_JamesSweepFlow
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Post# 40770-6/23/2004-23:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (TV ?))
MESSAGE: The "pix tube" or CRT in your TV needs to have a high voltage supply in order to make the electrons emitted by the tubes electron gun hit the screen causing the phospors of the screen to glow-making the picture.All TV's old or new have the HV supply-part of the Horizontal scanning circuit-to generate the HV needed for the picture tubes anode.Most color pixture tubes today need anywhre from 15-27KV for the anode supply.The flyback transfomer generates this voltage and in new sets a multiplier circuit rectifier genrerates the DC voltage.In old TV's a tube type rectifier was used.The older flyback generated the full HV voltage and the rectifier converted it to DC for the pix tube.During dry days the HV generates lots of static electric.Thats what you feel when you put your hand near the screen.Humid days suppress this by bleeding the static off from the moisture in the air-the moisture conducts the static charge away.That also why TV screens attrtact dust-You have an electrostatic dust collector there.I have the same problem in the transmitters I deal with their HV attracts the dust out of the air and it coats the HV parts.Will cause a sereious arc over if it isn't cleaned out.The TV I have now is a CRT rear projector-I am wondering how much dust is on the INSIDE of it.The "pix tubes" in my set project their image on a screen.On any of the direct view sets I had dusting off the screen was a regular thing-otherwise the picture was very dull looking.
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Post# 40771-6/23/2004-23:28 ||| eddy1210 (Vancouver, B.C. Canada)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: OK Robert, you twisted my arm. But be forewarned:
1) It's missing it's agitator
2) The tub is rusted out
3) There's tranny oil spewed everywhere
Needless to say this machine will need work. I'm thinking of restoring it and I will take pictures of the process whenever I get around to tackling this one.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/EDDY1210/14@yuk,%20this%20will%20need%20work@EDDY1210.jpg
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Post# 40772-6/23/2004-23:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound
MESSAGE: Does the TV have a headphone or earphone jack-Sometimes the small sets like that had headphone jacks so that if the TV was in a bedroom someone could watch the TV while the other was sleeping.If it does the jack may be the problem.When the phone is unplugged from the TV the contact in the jack should make so then the audio goes to the TV speaker.Replacement jacks are available from Radio Shack.If you do have a headphone-plug it into the jack and se if it works.Ohterwise troubleshooting SS sets becomes rather difficult.Schematics and an Ohmeter.When you did have the TV opened-did you see any burnt or overheated parts?Sometimes there are fuses inside such sets for the various sections in it.See if any are in the set(usually the small glass fuses)that could be blown.From here that abouts all one can do.As one other post said-tube sets were easier to work on.
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Post# 40773-6/24/2004-00:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: love the POD 6-23-04
MESSAGE: It's true! The story goes that they really did these tests with radioactive material to see how well it was removed in the wash cycle.
Betty Furness couldn't hold a candle (or geiger counter) to this test!
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Post# 40774-6/24/2004-00:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: While I'm Waiting (Hee Hee Hee!)
MESSAGE: I would grab it in a second! John Lefever has told how awful they were. A spinning drum in the bottom of the tank, much like a water wheel, that splashed water while spinning. I think it also rotated while spinning and may have reversed directions as well. Performed terribly bad, worse than standard impellers!
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Post# 40775-6/24/2004-00:46 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: Brent, here's someone waving his paw saying, "I have used one several times when I was just a youngun". My godfather moved to Houston in 1963 and their new house had one installed. Everytime I'm driving or riding on the freeway during rain, the noise the tires make with the water sounds almost exactly like this dishwasher. Capacity was ok at best. The machine would have the drum spin in one direction for a couple of miinutes, pause for a timer increment (30 seconds) and reverse. The drum would also spin during the dry cycle for forced air drying. I just now remembered that the house we moved into had the O'Keef & Merrit version of this. My dad switched it out with our 1959 Waste King and he put the spinning drum unit in our old house.
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Post# 40776-6/24/2004-00:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY! (Monitor bearing freeze-up)
MESSAGE: What kind of grease are you using on the pump bearing?
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Post# 40777-6/24/2004-01:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: My 78 KM DW would have a problem with rice if I used the "Water Miser" cycle, which would normally work fine. So, If there were dishes that had rice on them, I would use the "Normal" or "Pots & Pans" cycle, which would solve the problem without pre-rinsing. The Water Miser cycle had a pre-wash with detergent, a 20 minute main wash, a short rinse, then an extended rinse whereas the Normal cycle had a pre-wash, rinse, main wash, then 3 rinses. The extra rinses would suffice to get rid of the rice.
Oatmeal would also sometimes be a problem, solved by extending the main wash time from the default 20 minutes to 30 minutes.
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Post# 40778-6/24/2004-01:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: capacitor vs. start windings ?? ( the capacitor story (TV ?))
MESSAGE: Even new CRT TV's generate static electricity on the face of the picture tube. That's why they get so dusty all the time.
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Post# 40779-6/24/2004-01:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (WP in door silverware basket)
MESSAGE: CR didn't think much of the silverware basket in door idea, though I forget exactly what they said
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Post# 40780-6/24/2004-01:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound (no sound)
MESSAGE: make sure speaker itself doesn't have an "open", either substitute a known good speaker, or disconnect one wire and put an ohmmeter across the speaker.
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Post# 40781-6/24/2004-01:31 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Curbside)
MESSAGE: Well, even if you can't ultimately keep it, you wil at least have saved it for somebody who CAN keep it. I've been known to get washers from the curb, fix them, and give them away to needy people.
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Post# 40782-6/24/2004-01:34 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Robert, I never tire of these tests with vintage machines. I'm one of the few that loves dishwashers too. My feeble mind has forgotten when James dishwashers were pulled from the market.
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Post# 40783-6/24/2004-01:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1980 RCA TV--No Sound (no sound)
MESSAGE: Excellent point-the TV could have a bad(open) speaker.
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Post# 40784-6/24/2004-01:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: I had mine set for the "normal" "saniClean" cycle.The machine would stay in the wash cycle longer and heat the water.Even with that it still had trouble with rice.I also have mine set for the "saniRinse" cycle that would heat the rinse water.It also ran in the rinse cycle longer.My machine had two other rinse cycles as well-it would fill breifly-then run a few min,drain,then refill again and rinse breifly before the main rinse.
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Post# 40785-6/24/2004-02:03 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: I suspect the secret to getting rid of rice is extra water changes, rather than longer wash times/hotter water. Detergent may make a difference, too, the Cascade Complete seems to live up to it's claim to "dissolve" food particles.
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Post# 40786-6/24/2004-04:55 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Hotpoint Set on eBay...
MESSAGE: Greg,
This set is just screaming, 'bid on me Greg, bid on me; I want to go home to Omaha.'
Steve1-18
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Post# 40787-6/24/2004-05:26 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Love that sweep flow! Very interesting machine. Don
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Post# 40788-6/24/2004-05:26 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Love that sweep flow! Very interesting machine. Don
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Post# 40789-6/24/2004-05:31 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: I have mom's old 1969 convertable DW with rotorack. Haven't used it in a while, mainly because even though I keep the water heater at 140 degrees, the water temperature indicator wouls stay at cool the entier cycle unless I used the Sani wash.
The thing that has always bugged me about that machine was that the Sani wash was a normal wash with a final rinse that delayed until the water reached 150 degrees.
That was until yesterday. I opened up that sucker and uncovered the timer. I turned and turned and turned the knob, studing the cams until I figured which on was for the timer delay. Fortunately, it was a cam that had no other responsibilities and the heat delay was a indentation on the cam.
I turned the knob around several more times trying to judge exactly where I wanted there to be a time delay during the second wash. Then I took a wire cutter and made a little cut in the cam.
I put the machine back together, loaded it up and ran it on Sani wash. Now it works the way it should! About 5 minutes into the second wash, the delay light comes on tha the machine continues to run until the WASH WATER temp reaches 150 degrees.
The extended wash, along with the hotter water does a fantastic job.
Of course, with the longer wash cycle, the water in the pipes cools down so by the fianl rinse the temperature indicator is back to cool, but it seems in no time the temperature is back up to 'sani' in the final rinse.
I am very satisfied with my modification and will probably start using this machine more often, now.
Steve1-18
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Post# 40790-6/24/2004-06:34 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (error msg)
MESSAGE: Hi Eddy, congrads on the find, maybe its me or the timing, but I cannot get access to your link/pics ....... I keep getting an error message ........
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Post# 40791-6/24/2004-06:40 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: wow, impressive, good for you, "mr. handy-dandy" ..... :)
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Post# 40792-6/24/2004-06:47 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: I always liked the in door silverware rack too.It gives so much room to a machine that has a wash tower in the middle.I wonder what consumer reports rated whirlpool DW's for cleaning in the 60's and 70's? The model i have even cleans burnt on food.I have no complaints about the cleaning ability of my machine...the slight drawback is when using hi-temp wash option, the machine takes over a half hour alone for the main wash and the final rinse is long also.
All in all,Whirlpool made/makes a great dishwasher.
Pat
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Post# 40793-6/24/2004-06:49 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: I'll buy one right now! If one is to believe the ad "mother" certainly had it good if she was able to get one of those in 1937! NOT!
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Post# 40794-6/24/2004-06:57 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: That looks like a cool find. Congrats.!
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Post# 40795-6/24/2004-08:01 ||| jetaction (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes (Web address)
MESSAGE: For some reason this didn't come through the first time, I swore I put this in, but who knows.
LINK: http://www.laundrylist.org/art/
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Post# 40796-6/24/2004-08:06 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: Front load vs. top load remember? (Westinghouse - Capacity actually good.)
MESSAGE: I picked up a Westy FL with the oval window in late Arpil. I got it mainly for washing items like rubber shower mats, etc, that usually "float" on top of the water and don't get sucked down into the water by the agitator.
It works and washes fine but I totally agree with you about the spin. The clothes come out so wet. I've wondered about it but not until I saw your post did I decide to write about it.
I'm sure it's a mid to late 70s model and I'll tell you it's so heavy with those concrete counter balancers that I'm not that all motivated about moving it to get the model # off of it.
Dick S.
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Post# 40797-6/24/2004-08:22 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Getting the Vapors)
MESSAGE: Catch me I'm getting the vapors. A little work and it will be like brand new again, congrats eddy!
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Post# 40798-6/24/2004-08:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: Hi Bob, glad you are enjoying the pictures. I have no idea when the James was discontinued, I really have no info on this company except for a few magazine ads.
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Post# 40799-6/24/2004-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (error msg)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, I need more info than "an error message". What exactly happins when you click on his link, and what browser (Internet Explorer, Netscape, etc.) are you using, do you know the version number???
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Post# 40800-6/24/2004-08:36 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (Great Idea)
MESSAGE: Very cool or should I say hot modification Steve. I always thought the James should do a sani-wash and not a sani-rinse too, heating the water first before the wash begins.
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Post# 40801-6/24/2004-09:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: BEAUTFUL RESTORED MONITOR WASHER ON EBAY! (Monitor bearing freeze-up)
MESSAGE: I can't get the pump apart (no visible fastener) so I'm going to oil it and leave it as it is. The pump impeller is fairly easy to turn already, which means the oil will probably do the trick. When I took the pump off there was hair, lint, thread, etc. in there that I had to wash out.
For the agitator bearing on the Tabletop I use regular machine-type grease. Works great and is pretty quiet as long as the washer is on a padded area; you can spin the impeller with one finger.
--Austin
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Post# 40802-6/24/2004-09:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb
MESSAGE: Looks pretty good cosmetically, but I know it will need a full restoration.
--Austin
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Post# 40803-6/24/2004-09:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: You have a Maytag Jetclean. The "Sani-Clean" and "Sani-Rinse" gave it away!
--Austin
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Post# 40804-6/24/2004-09:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow
MESSAGE: I really don't "look into" the dirty dish pictures :).
As for the performance, it looks like it's very powerful. It doesn't seem to clean as well as the Frigidaire or Apex, however, it looks very entertaining to watch, especially with the Sweep-Flow wash action!
--Austin
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Post# 40805-6/24/2004-09:52 ||| comboboy (Monticello, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: Somewhere I've got or had an owners manual for the spinning drum under the TAPPAN label. When we were building houses in FL in the late 70's we used TAPPAN appliances and the sales rep found me the booklet. The installation instructions made it VERY clear that the unit must be level (or it would wash even less well). CU did a review on this unit (I think). I remember reading about it, can't remember when.
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Post# 40806-6/24/2004-10:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious!)
MESSAGE: How exactly did this work? I'm lost at the "water wheel" part...my guess is that it's a horizontally mounted vaned drum that kicks up the water.
Does anyone have a picture or illustration of this strange machine?
--Austin
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Post# 40807-6/24/2004-10:21 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Your James Dishwasher looks like so much fun!
Looks like lot's of drama going on. I love also the way the lid pops open and all the hot steam rises out. I am sure it got humid in your basement really quick!
Thanks for the pictures.
Don't you have the clear front for your Frigidaire spray tube that sales people would use to demonstrate? I remember you talking about it, but I never saw photo's of it running.
Dishwashers are way too fun!
Brent
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Post# 40808-6/24/2004-10:23 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious! - Great Memories!)
MESSAGE: Bob,
Thanks for the memories of your dishwasher.
You are rare. I bet the only one that ever used one.
This machine would be fun to see what it "didn't" do on the wash cycle with a clear front.
Hope you had a good birthday.
Brent
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Post# 40809-6/24/2004-10:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Serious! - Great Memories!)
MESSAGE: Interesting that this isn't the only dishwasher where the drum/impeller "spin-dries" the dishes. Robert mentioned earlier that the impeller on his Apex runs for air drying after the lid pops open and the cycle is complete.
--Austin
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Post# 40810-6/24/2004-11:07 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: Our '72 LK had a normal temp sani temp button
in addition to normal wash...there was a Power Wash cycle
Normal wash with sani temp delayed and heated final rinse to 150.
Power Wash without Sani temp ran same as Normal wash..wash/2 rinses/wash/2 rinses and dry.
Power Wash with Sani temp delayed 2nd wash and final rinse to 150.
reguardless....cool light would always be on through the 1st wash and 1st rinse. usually by 2nd rinse or at the latest the 2nd wash the normal temp light would come on.
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Post# 40811-6/24/2004-12:58 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Hey, very cool (or hot?)!!
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Post# 40812-6/24/2004-13:26 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: The Appliance Shop
MESSAGE: Here are some pictures of the latest additions to my inventory.
LINK: http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/washermeister/slideshow?&.dir=/5669&.src=ph
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Post# 40813-6/24/2004-14:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The Appliance Shop (OH NO NOT THE FRONT PORCH NOW?!!!)
MESSAGE: Steve,
What amazing finds!
Does every machine have something wrong with them.
They all look like new!
I saw a board to Neptune on Ebay with a starting big of $40.00. (new)
Congrats!
Brent
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Post# 40814-6/24/2004-14:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The Appliance Shop
MESSAGE: LOTS OF 'TAGS!
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Post# 40815-6/24/2004-15:11 ||| chachp (Little Rock, AR)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: My mother's neighbor has one of these In-Sink-Erator dishwashers that looks exactly like a KA on the inside. I don't remember when she put it in, but I know she still has it and still uses it every day. She remodeled her kitchen about 5 years ago, and liked it so well she didn't replace it. She just replaced the white panels with SS.
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Post# 40816-6/24/2004-15:49 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (Worst DW Ever...Plastic Hotpoint (ISE))
MESSAGE: When I was shopping for my KA Superba in 1991, my dad had gotten one of those shopping club offers in the mail, touting "name brands for less." Out of curiousity, he called, and they said they don't carry KA but they do have ISE which is basically the same thing. By the time shipping was added, it wasn't a discount.
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Post# 40817-6/24/2004-17:41 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Steve, I have reflected on my playing with our 1973 roto we had in Houston. I do remember now, when I could get away with it, either having that pre-wash go to 155 degrees (aka WP Power Scour) or make a heated final rinse the main wash. When that happened, the delay time for the final rinse wasn't that much either. It was rare our Normal light glowed, usually Cool. And if I did get the sani-rinse button pushed, mom would eventually get tired of it running while heating and turn the knob to drain. Ugh!!
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Post# 40818-6/24/2004-17:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: I've wondered many times abou that had. It's rather "interesting" that 1937 washer looked like a relative of the later WO65. Hmmmmm!!!
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Post# 40819-6/24/2004-17:47 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: I seem to remember the power wash being different than the Normal wash. Power wash added an extra wash and two rinses. Earlier LK's (impeller/roto) heated the main wash and rinse on Power Wash. I thought the Roto LKs did the same thing, but heated the main wash water.
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Post# 40820-6/24/2004-18:04 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (psychological reactions to dishwashers)
MESSAGE: That is more or less how a friend of mine thinks. He has this very expensive Miele dishwasher. At a certain moment it broke and when the repair man came in and told him the problems was caused by him rinsing all the dishes he said yes, but ofcourse he still rinses all the dishes before putting them in the dw.
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Post# 40821-6/24/2004-18:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: LOL! Well if it was a Frigidaire ad, they wouldn't put a 1937 Bendix in there ;-)
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Post# 40822-6/24/2004-18:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Great work Steve! Yes, if anything it should be the wash, not rinse, that's 150°. That defeats the whole purpose (and meaning as well) of a "Sani Wash".
How well does the Roto-Rack work on this machine?
--Austin
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Post# 40823-6/24/2004-18:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Jet-Action POD
MESSAGE: Even though I prefer the 3-Rings and Jet-Cones to the Deep Action agitators, I would DEFINITELY take this TOL machine. The feature that sets it apart (and the most eye-catching) is the rapid-advance timer and separate dial. WAY ahead of its time.
--Austin
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Post# 40824-6/24/2004-18:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD "Where can I get one!"
MESSAGE: I thought the same thing!
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Post# 40825-6/24/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: dream machine found (getting rid of rice)
MESSAGE: No-its a Kitchenaid Supurbia-bought about year 2000.Won't buy another.
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Post# 40826-6/24/2004-19:00 ||| trok_99 (Milwaukee, WI)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: Bob,
I think your right...but later...after the roto went away there was a 3rd wash detergent dispenser with Power Wash and later Pots and Pans.
At least on our LK..POwer wash was the same as Normal unless u selected Sani Temp.
I also remember when the first sqaure top racks came out and the cycle was called pots and pans...(on a non LK) middle line...and it wash nothing more than a normal wash with the main wash heated to 150.
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Post# 40827-6/24/2004-19:08 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: POD of the day
MESSAGE: I haven't been able to see the last 2 POD's anyone else having that difficulty.My computer won't download it.Other links work OK.
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Post# 40828-6/24/2004-19:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: Are you selecting it from the menu on the home page or from a saved "Favorites" menu? The address and program name has recently changed.
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Post# 40829-6/24/2004-19:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, yes I have the clear service/demo insert door for my '56 Frigidaire dishwasher. I was soooooo very lucky to find this on my trip to Prestin, Iowa with Scott and Greg a few years back. I has have the underwater light so I can light up the dishwasher from inside, it makes for a fantastic show, I will have to get around to filming this someday for everyone to enjoy.
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Post# 40830-6/24/2004-19:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: I am selecting from the menu on the homepage and its not working.
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Post# 40831-6/24/2004-19:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes (Web address)
MESSAGE: Interesting site - I'm glad to see someone working against the bans on outdoor clotheslines, I would never buy a house that had those covenants attached to it. So much for this country's energy policy, we can't have water to flush toilets or wash clothes and dishes with, but we can drive a Hummer - or two!
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Post# 40832-6/24/2004-19:46 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The art of hanging out clothes (Web address)
MESSAGE: I have a clothsline at my house-but really can't use it because of the very high humidity,birds,squirrels,bugs and many trees.-I live in the deep south.When I lived in the midwest-clothslines worked great!-the dryer air dired the clothes quickly-made them fresh.The breeze seemed to "press" them for you.Around here they are like limp damp rags.
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Post# 40833-6/24/2004-19:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Excellent work Steve - others have made modifications to help their vintage dishwashers perform better and this is a great idea too! I remember our Roto-Rack, what fun it was to load and run - even though the bottom spray arm wouldn't move during the cycle and nobody would call for service!
I'm not one to gossip behind the dishwasher door, but someone else might have tweaked their timer a little bit to make the cycle longer...
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Post# 40834-6/24/2004-19:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The Appliance Shop
MESSAGE: Looks like you're going to have to hold a porch sale very soon! That Atlantis looks very new - did you snatch that from a neighbors porch? A word of caution: if it's hooked up to water and drain, you can't have it! ;-)
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Post# 40835-6/24/2004-20:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (KM heater)
MESSAGE: It could be that their idea of "Cool" IS 140 degrees. The heating element should be on whenever the machine is washing or rinsing in order to at least MANTAIN whatever temperature the water is when it enters the machine. Did you ever measure the temp of the water in the wash? It could also be that the thermostat that switches the lights on is inaccurate, and would say "Cool" even though the water was actually at the normal 140 degree level. The electrical schematic should specify at what temp each light should be on at, check that against the actual temperature of the water in the machine. Although your modification was a great idea, it shouldn't have been necessary.
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Post# 40836-6/24/2004-20:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: A Tappan Spinning Drum DW?! (Weird Tappan wash actions)
MESSAGE: and then there was their strange "spring loaded reversing spray arm" technology
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Post# 40837-6/24/2004-20:15 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
That is so cool. I have never heard or seen a Frigidaire spin tube type diswasher in action! I have always been curious about these machines. That is so nice that you have that clear display front to it! I would be tempted to run it every load with on there, sitting in front of it with a cocktail. Very relaxing! How often do you use the clear front?
I have been thinking aboutyour James Dishwasher pictures all day. That is such a neat machine. I just love the pictures you posted of it. Can you hear the water hitting the cover glass as it travels back and forth? Also does it have a pump drain, or is it gravity?
So neat.
Brent
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Post# 40838-6/24/2004-20:22 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: '65 KA Superba (SS-ext), in great shape for SALE/TRADE???
MESSAGE: I have acquired so much lately that I need to part with a few things so I would like to idealistically trade or sell my '65 Kitchen Aid Superba varicycle KDS-15 with brushed stainless exterior and timer knob down on lower right front panel, there is a "pre-wash", rinse, main wash, three rinses, and a forced air dry. Four buttons - rinse hold, utility utensil, full cycle and sani cycle which heats the final rinse while the red light is on to 180 degrees. There is also an amber "on" light. The porcelain interior is in excellent shape as well as the racks and door gasket. It runs great,no leaks, I literally just "test ran" it tonight ........ I don't want to put a $$$ price on it because idealistically I would like to trade it for another member's appliance. Any inquiries can be directed to > gregm978@aol.com - thank you :) - gregm
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Post# 40839-6/24/2004-20:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: And what exactly is happening? When you bring you mouse over the link what address does it give in the lower left hand corner?
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Post# 40840-6/24/2004-20:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification (LK heat delay)
MESSAGE: Just for the heck of it, I checked the ester charts for both my '62 KM 600 and my '78 Solid State KM. The '62 (impeller type) has it so the heater and motor are always energized at the same time. Therefore the impeller is running during the dry cycle, and the heater is keeping the water hot at all times. There IS a thermostat that is in the circuit during the final rinse, but it's not selectable by the user. I assume it's there to assure that the final rinse is at least a minimum temp.
On the '78 KM, the heater is energized during all washing and drying cycles unless:
Power Miser is selected. This turns off the heat during the dry cycle. If Power Miser is NOT selected, heating element turns off during the last 6 minutes of the 26 minute dry cycle.
Sani Temp is selected. This delays the final rinse until 150 degrees is obtained OR 15 minutes elapse. With the old mechanical timers, if you selected the Sani Temp option and for some reason the thermostat failed, the machine would rinse forever and ever and ever and the water would hotter and hotter and hotter.
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Post# 40841-6/24/2004-20:47 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Early 60's Magic Chef Gas Stove
MESSAGE: For those of you who may be interested, my neighbor is remodeling her kitchen. She has an early 60's Magic Chef Gas Stove in pretty good shape. We are in Atlanta. If you are interested e-mail me and I'll hook you up with her. (It will just end up on the curb anyway!) I can get a model number if you like. -rileysteve@bellsouth.net
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Post# 40842-6/24/2004-20:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: I'm not one to gossip behind the dishwasher door, but someone else might have tweaked their timer a little bit to make the cycle longer...
Bringing me out of the mod closet kicking and screaming will you (hands on hips:). Actually I only copied what Frigidaire did to all their dishwashers starting in '58. Changed the wash cycle from 7 to 9 minutes and the rinse cycles to 3 minutes. I'm sure it helped a bit in washability.
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Post# 40843-6/24/2004-20:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: You have to laugh at this...
MESSAGE: I received this message today...
"Shaun Williams" writes,
FRRRRRREEEEEEEEAAAAAAAKKKKK!
Ur a member of a twin tub washing machiene group!
FRRRRRREEEEEEEEAAAAAAAKKKKK!
Twin-tubs are the best! The "freak" here is someone who doesn't know how to use a TT and gets babied by an automatic. If they lived 50-60 years ago when Easy Spindriers were the main washer of choice and automatics were expensive and hard to find, boy would they feel lucky!
--Austin
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Post# 40844-6/24/2004-20:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I just love the clear Frigidaire door, but I mainly use it for when guests are here. I pull over chairs, and some wine, makes for a great show without any commercial interuptions!
In the James you sure can hear that water going, and when the dishwasher is heating, you can hear the water right above the element hissing! Its very cool, its has a pump drain.
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Post# 40845-6/24/2004-20:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Dishwasher modification
MESSAGE: Wow, what short cycle times for a DW! The only machines with quick cycles today are the Hobart professional sterilizer dishwashers (under-counter type); 180° water and a 1 1/2 minute wash & rinse time.
--Austin
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Post# 40846-6/24/2004-20:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Was the James marketed as a commercial or residential machine? The reason I ask is that it has such a large capacity (place settings for 8 people). I know most families were large at the time, but dishwashers weren't popular yet.
--Austin
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Post# 40847-6/24/2004-21:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin, the James was a home machine and it certainly does not hold a place setting of eight. Did you see an ad claiming 8 place settings?
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Post# 40848-6/24/2004-21:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert, The 1952 Consumer Reports article with the first automatic dishwasher report states, on Page 4, that the James' capacity is "about 8 place settings." For a minute I forgot where "8 place settings" came to mind! :)
--Austin
LINK: http://www.classicappliances.com/RATE%20PAGES/LIST-INDEX.htm
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Post# 40849-6/24/2004-21:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Yes I see almost all the machines rated are 8 place settings, although from my experience I think that might be a bit of a stretch. Well no wonder why the couldn't get the dishes clean, overloading!
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Post# 40850-6/24/2004-21:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Question - Parts
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
After a week of waiting my new pump came in, and I went to pick it, and some new inlet/outlet hoses and rubber feet up last night.
Its a big appliance parts store, but its a family run business. When I rang to order the pump, the grandmother (Book keeper) pulled my machine up on her computer, found the part number for the pump and ordered it for me. (Compared to other places who dont want to know about a Belt Drive WP I was impressed with that alone) I was served by the 50yo mother and her 35yo son, I found out that she had the Model whirlpirl after mine. We talked about her current Kleenmaid and had a really nice chat. They both advised me to keep the machine running for as long as possible, because nothing else on the market is anywhere near as reliable.
So after that exerience, I got home more than a little chuffed. I fitted the new hoses and when I was fitting the pump, I found that the metal plate of the back of the magic clean was missing, therefore the rubber inside just moves around. Luckily I'd found a new one during Curbside collection.
While I had the machine on its front, I thought I'd have a go at adjucting the Spin fork to try and curb the tub moving during agitate. (As per Chris's Gizmo's advice)
I moved the nut upwards (Clockwise) a few turns, tipped the machine up and it wouldnt spin. So I got back under, loosened it again and it still wouldnt spin. DOH
On further investigation, I found I'd tapped the cam bar with the spanner and it was a little too far back, so I pushed it into spin mode and its all working again.
After restoring the spin, I tightened the nut up again (I'm assuming I'm aiming to increase the space between the the cam bar and the clutch.)
Now the washer spins, it agitates ok, with a bowl twitch occaisionally rather than movement, but when the machine is off, I cant move the agitator. I'm guessing that I've gone too far in the other direction. Tonight I'm going to adjust the nut back a bit and see if the agitator will freewheel once more.
My Questions are as follows:
1)When the machine isnt in spin mode, should I be able to turn the bowl? Or Does the Brake stop the bowl moving.
2)The agitator should spin freely when the machine is powered off?
3)When in Agitate, if I spin the bowl clockwise it is slow to slow down, if I spin it anti clockwise, it stops immediately.
4) With the symptons I've described, could I have an issue with the basket drive/Clutch/Bearings?
Thanks guys
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40851-6/24/2004-21:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: It says- http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi/pict_of_day.cgi...
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Post# 40852-6/24/2004-22:01 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: The address I got was when I clicked on the link-this is what I get when I put the mouse on it without clicking.-
http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/pict_of_day.cgi
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Post# 40853-6/24/2004-22:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: And I imagine the short cycle times and only 1 rinse on the Apex didn't help with CR's overloading problem either. Not to get off-topic, but nothing's changed since then; they stated in the newest washer report that they've changed the tests. Instead of doing a normal 8-pound load (almost all of the washers perform well here), they do the maximum load allowed, using the least amount of water required for the load. Today's garden-variety agitator-equipped TL's just oscillate back & forth, with no special mechanisms (i.e. up-and-down, bouncing baskets, or concentric) and they certainly won't get clothes clean by sloshing them around back & forth at around 100 OPM (quick-stroke machines). Even though some good machines tested have agitators, it's obvious that they're scoring front-loaders & high-efficiency TL's on a curve to switch people away from agitators (something I WON'T do...I'll keep a BD going for 50 years if I have to).
--Austin
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Post# 40854-6/24/2004-22:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: Hi Rex, that is the correct link, so what happens when you click on it, and what browser and version are you using?
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Post# 40855-6/24/2004-22:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan,
When the machine isnt in spin mode, should I be able to turn the bowl? Or Does the Brake stop the bowl moving.
Yes you should be able to turn the bowl, but it should offer up some resistance.
The agitator should spin freely when the machine is powered off?
Yes, but only if the machine was first put into the drain mode before it was powered off. If the agitator cam bar is still engaged, like when you pull the control dial out (or in depending on age) to stop the washer in the middle of agitation, you will not be able to turn the agitator.
When in Agitate, if I spin the bowl clockwise it is slow to slow down, if I spin it anti clockwise, it stops immediately
Manually turning the tub during agitation should not affect the agitation what so ever. The tub should not turn at all during agitation, that would be an indexing tub Whirlpool, ooohhh shutter the thought!
Nathan, I would first try adjusting the clutch a little bit more.
Also check these out...
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Post# 40856-6/24/2004-22:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!-off topic,cr tests)
MESSAGE: Using the least water required is very bad for the clothes in the standard top loader-the clothes have to circulate in the water to get clean.If the washer is not filled enough-the clothes just get paddled around-no cleaning action at all-think they would know better.-As well as the short rapid stroke transmissions won't help matters either.More "tilling" of your clothes!!I DEFINITELY don't want any part of the New "water saving" clothes mangling TL machines offered today.Stock on older BD TL machines.However the adjustable water deph is helpful-no need to fill the washer all the way for a few forgotten things.Again -lets get the Govt out of the laundry room!!!
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Post# 40857-6/24/2004-22:36 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that info Robert, I really appreciate it
The tub shouldnt move of its own accord during wash, but should I be able to move it by hand?
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40858-6/24/2004-22:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (place settings)
MESSAGE: Does CR define what a "place setting" is?
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Post# 40859-6/24/2004-22:42 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: I was adjusting the nut the wrong way, I'll try winding it back down and see what happens.
Luckily for me, the machine seems to be pretty idiot proof when it comes to servicing. If one thing doesnt work, just undo what you did and try again :)
I'll probably swap the motor over out of the other machine, this weekend, and the lid has gone off for a respray and should be back soon.
Then Mr Whirlpool will move into the Laundry :)
I appreciate your help Robert.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40860-6/24/2004-22:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: That is correct Nathan, but there should be some resistance due to the brake being engaged.
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Post# 40861-6/24/2004-23:08 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: Cool :)
If thats the case, I might give it another half a turn or so, and that should totally eliminate the tub twitching :)
I now just have my fingers crossed that when I swap the motor over, the noise on low speed will disappear.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40862-6/24/2004-23:10 ||| 59Imperial (Chicago)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Looks better inside then mine)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, a GE. Those ain't that tough to fix. Find a GE strait-vaned agitator at some used appliance service place, and they may have a transmission that will match as well. Them old GE Filter Flos are kinda simple, in a sense. And they keep going forever. I think parts are a bit easier to find for those, then they would be for my Whirlpool Imperial. Good luck on your new treasure!
The Imperial
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Post# 40863-6/24/2004-23:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I found at the curb (Looks better inside then mine)
MESSAGE: Repair manuals for perforated-tub Filter-Flos are abundant as well.
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Post# 40864-6/24/2004-23:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: VERY-very slow to load-if it does at all.I am not sure-but the Browser I have right now is Yahoo Microsoft Internet Explorer.Don't know much else-not I am not a computer man. Could ask the computer guys here at work.I don't know if the above is much help.The computers here are on an eithernet network.
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Post# 40865-6/25/2004-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan
Are you sure the noise isn't normal?
I have never used a 2-speed Whirly but I have used 2-spd Hoover and Simpson, they both do sound quite weird on low speed. The motor makes a strange moaning sound. Not bearing noise, sort of a strong hum.
Chris.
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Post# 40866-6/25/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD of the day
MESSAGE: It loads instantly for me both at home and here at work, does anyone else have this problem? Usually if its loading, but its loading slow for one person and it loading just fine for another user, then the problem is on the incoming side.
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Post# 40867-6/25/2004-08:27 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: I agree with Chris Nathan, the Whirlpool/Kenmore machines are a bit noiser on the slow speeds.
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Post# 40868-6/25/2004-08:39 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: Previous POD - Norge semi auto
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
Are you able to post a link to a previous POD of a Norge semi auto? Today a neighbour took me down to the home of a ninety year old lady who was having TV reception troubles. (turned out to be faulty antenna booster). While I was there I noticed the washer - a Simpson semi auto which looked a lot like my memory of the previous Norge POD. The machine would have to be close to 40 years old, still in use but noisy. It has three push buttons (wash/off/spin) and a timer for 15 minutes, plus a "hold on" section. The instructions under the lid had "060 061" at the bottom, so it might be a 1960/60 model?? The lady wasn't home, she is in hospital at present.
I DON'T think it is a Norge inside, as it didn't have the fast acting spin brake. From what I could see it was the same underneath as much newer Simpsons, with simple belt driven pump and trans, motor reverses to spin. (no solenoids). It has perforated basket and very basic 4 vane agitator. I suspect it is Maytag underneath, the agitator looks similar.
Does anytone have a diagram to post of the transmission/belts/pump layout inside an early 1960's Maytag? I am becoming increasingly curious of these old Simpsons origins.
Thaks
Chris.
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Post# 40869-6/25/2004-13:27 ||| Rharvey (columbus ohio)
SUBJECT: repair of magic chef range
MESSAGE: Does anyone know of a Midwestern restoration service - I have an old Magic chef range I would like to get working -
thanks!
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Post# 40870-6/25/2004-13:40 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: I have had seen machines with motors that make more noise on slow speed. It is possible the motor bearings are bad. Does the motor spin freely by hand with the belt removed? If it doesn't the bearings are bad. If it turns freely I remove the motor and check the bearings by feel. To do this I hold the motor securely and try to move the shaft back and forth feeling for play in the bearings. I have used this method and usually can feel the play if there is any.
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Post# 40871-6/25/2004-15:59 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Low speed noise)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, Robert and Fixerman :)
I got the motor out last night, and it does have lots of bearing noise, I'm going to swap the motor over with the one I've already reconditioned.
Fingers Crossed once its back in it'll be nice and quiet.
I've noticed a tiny drip from around the top of the coin trap since I put the new pump in, I'm hoping that I just need to reseat the trap and not that I've inadvertantly damaged the rubber flange above it. I'm assuming the bowl has to come out to replace that.
Hopefully I'll get it re-assembled sunday morning and all will be fine :)
hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40872-6/25/2004-16:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (Tub Movement)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I adjusted the nut down rather than up last night, and now there is no tub twitching. I havent tried with a load in to make sure it'll still spin though, but it seems to be ok.
Thanks for your help, you too Chris
Nathan
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Post# 40873-6/25/2004-16:18 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Dick S I will try and attach the answer from P & C. I think the Costco detergent reminds me of the old Tide scent. Maybe it is just the strength of the scent that reminds me of Tide.
Summary
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Message from All Tide Products
Discussion Thread
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Response (Rachel) - 06/25/2004 02:20 PM
Thanks for taking the time to write Tide, Dan.
After looking at the history of Tide, I'm not showing the original scent has ever changed. You should still get your favorite scent when you buy Tide Original in both the liquid and powder.
Hope this helps!
Rachel
Tide Team
Consumer - 06/22/2004 10:18 PM
Country = United States
Age = 06/1949
Language = English
EMail = bendix5@netscape.net
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Post# 40874-6/25/2004-16:47 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: Detergent & Soap Quiz
MESSAGE: I found this looking up detergents. It is sort of fun. Enjoy-----Dano
Detergent & Soap Quiz
How many soaps and detergents can you find.
With joy in my heart, I made a dash for the mailbox. What a thrill to find that my special package had arrived. Giving a shout I raced into the house like a Haley's Comet. "Why all the excitement?" asked my husband. "If you'd use some of the energy to keep the house spic n span and to get the laundry done, I might have enough clean clothes to tide me over." "So, you think house work is a breeze." I retorted. " Here's the whisk broom now why don't you climb down from your ivory tower and give me a hand?" "And as for the laundry, I thought I woodbury that in the back yard." "One more bold remark like that", he replied" and I'm going to dail the dress shop and cancel the order on your new chiffon dress. How duz that strike you?" "Not on your lifebuoy" I said, grabbing the phone from his hand. "I was only teasing Sweetheart he said, "Now go and open your special package to cheer you up.
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Post# 40875-6/25/2004-19:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Question - Parts (WP coin trap (manifold) drip)
MESSAGE: Here's hoping that you may be able to seal the drip with silicone, because not only does the bowl (basket) have to come out, but the outer tub as well, in order to replace the rubber seal the manifold fits into. That seal is seated between the outer tub and the baseplate.
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Post# 40876-6/25/2004-19:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergent & Soap Quiz (number of detergents & soaps)
MESSAGE: 19
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Post# 40877-6/25/2004-19:58 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: Interesting..."not showing the original scent has ever changed". Who are they hiring in these positions?
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Post# 40878-6/25/2004-22:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (Classic Detergents)
MESSAGE: I bought Original Scent Regular Tide (not w/Bleach like I usually do), and the scent is noticeably different. It smells really fresh & clean, unlike the Tide w/Bleach, which has that distinct "detergenty" scent I find when I look at used washers.
Comparing it to Robert's videos, the granules look the same; plain white and fine-grained (partially resembles 20 Mule Team Borax as well as Arm & Hammer Super Washing Soda) instead of Tide w/Bleach, with the blue bleach "sprinkles".
--Austin
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Post# 40879-6/25/2004-23:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission
MESSAGE: I was just looking at the 1947 GE AW6 explanation and illustration documents of the oil-cooled motor/transmission assembly, and while it resembles a regular 1995-before GE transmission, it has an unusually complicated bellows mechanism used for shifting into activation/spin. That doesn't surprise me why AW6s are so rare; I wouldn't imagine these trannys lasted more than a year without a bellows failing and leaking oil!
Maybe someone with an AW6 could try an older GE transmission and see if it would fit and work, since it's the same conical design, although I'm not sure that it would spin at 1140 (or 1170 as CR or Consumer Research Bulletin stated). But didn't GE machines spin-drain up until the "plastic age"?
--Austin
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Post# 40880-6/26/2004-02:57 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Hi everybody,
here are some pics of an old Laundromat in Wiesbaden. We have found it last Saturday during a tour all over Germany to pick up some old washers (or should I say 'some new babies' :-)).
It is still on duty but unfortunately it was closed on Saturday evening when we arrived there. (But we will go there back with a big pack of laundry to be done :-)).
Take care
Kai
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Englisch;action=display;num=1085733062;start=0#12
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Post# 40881-6/26/2004-07:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (German Laundromat)
MESSAGE: My God, those are still in regular use?! How do they keep them going? I wonder where they get the PARTS to keep them running?
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Post# 40882-6/26/2004-09:50 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (German Laundromat)
MESSAGE: Perhaps they have a machinist make the parts.I have an amazing machinist friend that has duplicated some parts for me.You can't tell them from NOS parts! Or perhaps they have a few scrap machines in the back to use for parts. However they are "keeping them young" is VERY cool indeed! Hats off to them!! Rick
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Post# 40883-6/26/2004-09:53 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Hi Kai,
Very cool pictures! Like something from an old movie.A real "blast from the past" Thanks for sharing. Rick
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Post# 40884-6/26/2004-10:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Wow, those bolt-downs are more than 50 years old and are still going! Have fun!
--Austin
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Post# 40885-6/26/2004-10:31 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1973 GE Mobile Maid on eBay!
MESSAGE: Has a spray arm instead of an impeller. GREAT condition inside & out; hasn't had much use over 31 years. Works & washes great! Located in Mass.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=46124&item=3823920564&rd=1
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Post# 40886-6/26/2004-10:35 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Waste King DW on eBay!
MESSAGE: 70's Avocado/Olive Waste King portable DW with butcher-block top and original owner's/operating manual. Faucet connector in good shape, and racks look wonderful. Has been in storage for a long time. Works, but might have some timer problems, as seller stated sometimes it doesn't work. Fremont, CA.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3202&item=4309823394&rd=1
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Post# 40887-6/26/2004-10:48 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Thanks, Kai, for the wonderful pics. It's amazing that they're still being used after all these years. It really says something about the people who designed and built them. Can't wait to hear your report after you use them. :-)
Mike
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Post# 40888-6/26/2004-10:52 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (Thanks Kai!)
MESSAGE: Kai,
That is so cool! I bet you were so disappointed when you saw that it was closed.
I just love that little laundromat! It was like going back in time. The Westinghouse machines look like they are in great shape! So wonderfull that the owner has taken pride to keep them going strong. It would be so interesting to talk to the owner to get some information on the history of the place. They would enjoy you taking an interest I bet.
Did you notice if they had dryers there? I could not see them. If so, were the dryers of this vintage?
Thanks for the great photo's.
Brent
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Post# 40889-6/26/2004-11:22 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (makes me want to travel )
MESSAGE: Kai
Thank you for sharing this wonderful picture. It almost makes me want to jump a plane and visit Germany. I was stationed in Bitburg for two years and loved the area and the Wine Fest.
Danker
Philippe
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Post# 40890-6/26/2004-11:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Awesome - what a fun find! Can't wait to hear about how the machines perform...
Thanks and happy hunting - Greg
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Post# 40891-6/26/2004-11:24 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (circa 1969)
MESSAGE: Probably not that old, here is a service manual for those machines from 1969. It's possible that Westinghouse made these into the 70's when they were taken over by WCI...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3684844137
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Post# 40892-6/26/2004-11:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: 1973 GE Mobile Maid on eBay!
MESSAGE: Is this gregm??
I've seen his collection of dishwashers and they are all in very nice shape - good luck Greg!
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Post# 40893-6/26/2004-11:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King DW on eBay!
MESSAGE: This is the same one that was up a couple of weeks ago? Looks the same with the center-tower instead of the upper wash arm, and the color.
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Post# 40894-6/26/2004-11:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: German Site POD
MESSAGE: How's this for modern - what's old is new again...
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/bilddestages/dateien/2004-6-26.html
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Post# 40895-6/26/2004-11:57 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King DW on eBay!
MESSAGE: This is the 3rd time it's been on Ebay and the 3rd time we've discussed this very machine.
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Post# 40896-6/26/2004-12:26 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (circa 1969)
MESSAGE: I might just want this unless "riverstud" is an App-ville member! Very interesting (and helpful if I find a Westy Commercial FL :)!
--Austin
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Post# 40897-6/26/2004-12:27 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1973 GE Mobile Maid on eBay!
MESSAGE: Yes it is!
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Post# 40898-6/26/2004-13:00 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (circa 1969)
MESSAGE: I too was thinking in the 30-35 year old range. Even at that, they're in amazing shape and it's neat that they're kept going, however they are doing it! I had not realized Westinghouse exported those machines to other countries.
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Post# 40899-6/26/2004-13:02 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1973 GE Mobile Maid on eBay!
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure it is.
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Post# 40900-6/26/2004-13:24 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert, didn't realize there was an undeerwater light for the demo. Way Way cool. can't wait to see it.!!!
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Post# 40901-6/26/2004-13:25 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1973 GE Mobile Maid on eBay!
MESSAGE: If he lived closer to Texas I would have bought his 1-18 he had for sale on eBay earlier this year...
--Austin
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Post# 40902-6/26/2004-13:29 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Brent, the sound of this dishwasher is very very soothing. A great mix of motor and the water. I agree, if the cycle was long, I could probably sit and take a nap for sure.
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Post# 40903-6/26/2004-14:09 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1973 GE Mobile Maid on eBay!
MESSAGE: yes its me ....... if I can sell it fine, if I don't, no biggie, I will just keep and put in storage, it only weighs around 65-70 lbs I think ...... it is a tad shorter than other DW's too, a tad on the noisy side but does a great job.
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Post# 40904-6/26/2004-14:54 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Thank you Kai, great pictures. My fear is that these gems close at a certain moment and the machines go to the krusher because the owner doesn't know the value of them.
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Post# 40905-6/26/2004-14:56 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (circa 1969)
MESSAGE: A colleague of mine told me his mother's first washer was a Westinghouse wringer washer. I was amazed Westinghouse was sold overhere in Europe. But then again overhere we had a comedy show that had Westinghouse machines in the launderette.
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Post# 40906-6/26/2004-16:20 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: German Site POD
MESSAGE: Hi gansky,
the POD-Miele was a machine especially produced for commercial laundries. As the stainless steel front had a structure it was easy to care. It had a capactiy of 12 kg laundry. But I am with you it really looks very modern :-)
Take care
Kai
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Post# 40907-6/26/2004-16:25 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Hi everybody
and thank you for your great comments on the Westinghouse Laundromat. It is really amazing...
I will try to get in touch with the owner to get some more
information about the machines and the laundromat.
There were no dryers in the front room only a big spin dryer next to the washers on the other side.
But I saw a separate room in the back, perhaps they have some dryers there.
- Kai -
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Post# 40908-6/26/2004-16:35 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: Maybe a Bock Extractor... ;-)
Is it just me, or do the commercial Laundromats lack windows?
--Austin
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Post# 40909-6/26/2004-16:44 ||| Wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (circa 1969)
MESSAGE: Yes Austin I am an applianceville member and have been for a long time. I am pretty quiet but love reading all the post. I will be happy to share the manuel with you. This is one of my most favorite machines right in line with an ABC, Kelvinator or Frigidaire
Happy weekend to all from Walterboro South Carolina
Philippe
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Post# 40910-6/26/2004-16:46 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany (circa 1969)
MESSAGE: Just wanted to make sure because I'm against outbidding Applianceville members...
--Austin
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Post# 40911-6/26/2004-17:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Kelvinator POD
MESSAGE: Is this a Gibson-made machine, after Kelvinator's "Centric Agitation" days?
--Austin
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Post# 40912-6/26/2004-17:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westinghouse Laundromat in Germany
MESSAGE: HI Kai, thanks for those very COOL pictures. You'll have to take some close up shots for us when you return!
Its so nice to see vintage machines still in use, I wonder what the wash drum looks like in those machines, is it the same as the 50's slant front machines???
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Post# 40913-6/26/2004-17:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: But Bob, you did see it, at the '01 convention, were you overloading on too machines running at the same time :)
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Post# 40914-6/26/2004-17:57 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (I'll Have What She's Having)
MESSAGE: "I'm not showing the original scent has ever changed."
What is Rachel drinking, waitress "I'll have what she's having". LOL
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Post# 40915-6/26/2004-18:01 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: and its from 1955. Going back to the estate sale to schlep it up and out of the basement tomorrow, pictures to follow. And on gay pride day of all days no less.
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Post# 40916-6/26/2004-18:15 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: Hmmm. 1955.
New?!!
Must be something good!
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Post# 40917-6/26/2004-18:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: New to me, that is.
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Post# 40918-6/26/2004-18:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: Hmmm...I need to think hard on this one. An Apex? No, you've had this one before. A regular-agitation Philco? GE?
Otherwise I'm stumped on today's wonderful find. Can't wait to see pics! YAY!
--Austin
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Post# 40919-6/26/2004-18:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: After seeing some of the estate sales and what you can buy there, I would love to travel to Minneapolis and buy every BD Whirlpool I find...
--Austin
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Post# 40920-6/26/2004-19:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: German Site POD
MESSAGE: With the stainless front appliances being so popular now, this machine would sell like hotcakes!
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Post# 40921-6/26/2004-19:11 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Waste King DW on eBay!
MESSAGE: Well then, buy the darn thing and tell us how it runs, post pictures, etc. We're dying to know!
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Post# 40922-6/26/2004-19:12 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: But don't lay your head on that glass lid, you'll wake up with a red face...
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Post# 40923-6/26/2004-19:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kelvinator POD
MESSAGE: Yup, Franklin design. Notice the filter/softener dispenser? All one peice and the dispenser has a small stainless ball that plugs a hole keeping the softener in the dispenser. During spin, the ball rides up a channel and sticks in a notch at the top of the ring. When the spin stops, the liquid runs out the hole and into the basket. A little more complicated than necessary, but fun anyway.
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Post# 40924-6/26/2004-19:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: I found a cool washer this weekend too, but now I'm not going to tell you what it is...so there!
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Post# 40925-6/26/2004-19:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: Oh come on! We're dye-ing to know! ;-)
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Post# 40926-6/26/2004-19:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: Nope.
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Post# 40927-6/26/2004-19:35 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (I'll Have What She's Having)
MESSAGE: And Bartender, make mine a double........
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Post# 40928-6/26/2004-19:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (I'll Have What She's Having)
MESSAGE: Robert, how does the scent vary between vintage and new Tide? The new Tide Original (without bleach) smells good but I don't have any vintage Tide to compare it to. The Tide w/Bleach has a distinct "detergenty" scent I find lingering in used washers all the time. As for the appearance the granules of vintage & new Tide look the same (from watching your videos), but I know they aren't since they lack phosphates...
--Austin
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Post# 40929-6/26/2004-19:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: I'm going to follow-up with a few more brands you haven't found yet. Is it an Easy, Blackstone, or Thor (automatic, not Automagic)?
--Austin
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Post# 40930-6/26/2004-20:18 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (I'll Have What She's Having)
MESSAGE: Austin/Robert: If I may jump in here...I vividly remember the scent of the old Tide. By old, I'm talking '70s. I occasionally use Tide now. To me, the main difference is that the current Tide has a more refined scent, though still strong. If someone passed you wearing a shirt washed in the new Tide, the scent could pass for a body wash/shower gel. I remember the old Tide having a definitely stronger detergent scent to it, though it smelled great.
Pete
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Post# 40931-6/26/2004-20:29 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (I'll Have What She's Having)
MESSAGE: That's what I thought; it has a cologne-like scent to it. If someone blind-tested me on the Tide Original w/Bleach, I could definitely point out what it was.
--Austin
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Post# 40932-6/26/2004-20:33 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Does it wash clothes? Or wash dishes?
Does it cook food?
Does it keep food cold?
This could go on and on....
So much excitement!
Brent
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Post# 40933-6/26/2004-20:34 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: Vintage Non-Chlorine Bleach
MESSAGE: While we're on the subject of classic detergents, it seems the use of non-chlorine bleach has changed over the years.
When I was a kid, I remember everyone saying "that will go into the Biz bag". It seemed that these formulas were used for severe stains only. Now, they are certainly used for that, but they seem to be used as a more regular laundry additive. I use them as such, with good results.
Also, does anyone remember the old Biz? I remember that it smelled similarly to Dash around the same time (in the red box). It came in a black box, with a six-sided atom-type symbol above the lettering to signify its chemical action. By the '80s, the box was bright blue with orange and yellow letters, though I think the scent stayed the same for a while. Of course, the current Biz is nothing like the old, and has a strange after-scent.
Pete
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Post# 40934-6/26/2004-20:34 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Greg,
This is so unlike you!
What gives?
You don't have to do everything Robert does you know!
Kisses.
Brent
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Post# 40935-6/26/2004-20:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Clue: basement! That means it MUST be an automatic washer or dryer, but I don't know if roller irons were kept in the basement or not...
--Austin
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Post# 40936-6/26/2004-21:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Non-Chlorine Bleach
MESSAGE: I'm a Clorox fan, but I'll have to try Biz one of these days and see how it performs on whites...
--Austin
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Post# 40937-6/26/2004-21:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: No, no, no...I'm just joking around because he's teasing us! I did find a washer at a sale Friday, but it's not quite ready for a photo-shoot yet.
To tide you over, here are a couple of shots of the WCI-59 Frigidaire I'm just finishing up restoring. I did a water test today and will do more tomorrow after the silicone on the "pump-job" dries!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=21@WCI%2059%20LintAway@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 40938-6/26/2004-22:19 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What? Looks great)
MESSAGE: Your job on your WCI-59 looks great!
What else needs to be done?
Fun!
You know I was just turning your dials in the other post.?
Brent
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Post# 40939-6/26/2004-23:01 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Just for fun
MESSAGE: Found this funny site. A little off topic but what the hey. been a slow night for posts.
LINK: http://www.astro.lsa.umich.edu/~milleric/personal/jokes/advertisements.html
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Post# 40940-6/26/2004-23:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Your WCI-59 came out great! Can't wait for a maiden load!
--Austin
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Post# 40941-6/27/2004-00:03 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, YAY, wow, I love surprises! Do we get a hint? Now I wont be able to sleep thinking about your new machine, very fun! Can't wait to see pictures.
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Post# 40942-6/27/2004-00:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (I'll Have What She's Having)
MESSAGE: Austin, original tide has a much of a chemical clean scent, where all modern detergents including Tide have a sickly-sweet flower like scent. Orignal tide just smells clean without smelling sweet.
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Post# 40943-6/27/2004-00:06 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Washes clothes, automatically.
Black agitator, white tub.
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Post# 40944-6/27/2004-00:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: But I think its fun Brent to have to think about what he found and try and go through all the possiblites in our heads! And lots of posibilities it is.
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Post# 40945-6/27/2004-00:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Greg it looks wonderful! What a great machine, it will be a wonderful addition to your collection, I know how much work those Farm machines can be. How did the tub ballast come out?
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Post# 40946-6/27/2004-00:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: That narrows it down to either a Philco (not Automagic), Easy, or a Thor Automatic Washer. You haven't had these machines yet I don't think. Can't wait to find out!
--Austin
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Post# 40947-6/27/2004-00:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Classic Detergent Scent (I'll Have What She's Having)
MESSAGE: Honestly I don't like the scent of Tide Original Scent without Bleach. Call me strange, but Tide Original Scent w/Bleach has that "inside-of-used-washer" smell that I like.
--Austin
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Post# 40948-6/27/2004-03:23 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Greg,
You're doing a great job on that machine. I hope to see more pictures when it's ready, a detailed picture of the control panel would be nice. BTW, have you thought of kidnapping the matching dryer to this machine that Robert has in his basement? I bet he could use some space with the new machine (whatever brand that is) he found!
Louis
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Post# 40949-6/27/2004-04:12 ||| Washermad (Australia)
SUBJECT: Hi from Australia
MESSAGE: Hi guys, I'm so pleased to see that i'm not the only person that goes mad over a good washing machine find. All my friends think i'm mad but i just love washing machines. 1 have been collecting washers for many years now & my latest find was a hoover single tub with an electric wringer in working order. I will post pics of my machines as soon as i can get it organised. I have also just picked up a malleys whirlpool automatic 2293 in great working order.
I have never met any one that loves washers like myself before so i'm pleased that i'm not the only one.
Thanks Jamie
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Post# 40950-6/27/2004-04:28 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie,
greetings from Germany and you can be sure that you are not alone...we are here from all over the world...all getting crazy by seeing an old washer :-))
Kai
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Post# 40951-6/27/2004-05:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Vintage Non-Chlorine Bleach
MESSAGE: I remember BIZ, but around here it was always in the blue box with the red letters. It did smell remarkably like Dash. The Dash scent was changed around the late 60's when enzymes were added. I actually rather liked that scent. The BIZ that is on the market now is no longer a P&G product - it is made by Redox Brands, the same company that now makes Oxydol.
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Post# 40952-6/27/2004-05:04 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Extra refrigerators or freezers were kept in the basement also.....
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Post# 40953-6/27/2004-08:37 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Just for fun
MESSAGE: some of those were hysterical, ......
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Post# 40954-6/27/2004-08:38 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (inr tub?)
MESSAGE: so Greg you did find an inner tub ??? and the three rings are in such good shape ??
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Post# 40955-6/27/2004-08:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Good guesses Austin, but none of those brands have a black agitator with a white tub. I never said its of a brand that I haven't had before.
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Post# 40956-6/27/2004-08:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: You'll only be able to do that during that changing of the guards! Although its close its not an exact match.
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Post# 40957-6/27/2004-08:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie, welcome to the club, another member from down under. Where exactly are you? Can't wait to see pictures of your collection.
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Post# 40958-6/27/2004-09:32 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, let's see. Could it be an ABC?
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Post# 40959-6/27/2004-09:36 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: If it's not an exact match and since they're from the same year I guess one is a cheaper model than the other?
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Post# 40960-6/27/2004-09:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Ofcourse not! It doesn't have a black agitator! So it must be a Norge.
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Post# 40961-6/27/2004-10:27 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: AMP Maytag
Early Whirlpool
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Post# 40962-6/27/2004-11:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: That only leaves 1 brand out: Kenmore! Of course it has to be a TOL model for it to have the white tub.
--Austin
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Post# 40963-6/27/2004-11:20 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,I will try and fathom a guess,.....could it be something from the Norge or Whirlpool family of machines? Come to think of it didn't Kelvinator have a black agitator and white tub in the 60's? I am trying to figure this out because correct me if i am wrong,....isnt your cutoff around 1960 for classic appliances?
Pat
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Post# 40964-6/27/2004-11:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: I don't think his cutoff date is around 1960. His newest machines are a late 90's Asko and 2003 GE Harmony pair ;-)
*Ducks and runs*
--Austin
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Post# 40965-6/27/2004-11:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Yeah you got to be careful;-).
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Post# 40966-6/27/2004-12:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia
MESSAGE: Jamie, we are so pleased that you're here! We actually have a nice handful of members from Australia so you will feel right at home even more so. Enjoy!
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Post# 40967-6/27/2004-12:27 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: Robert, I may have over-dosed on too many machines, losing a day due to the travel probs. I do significanly remember the D&M-produced Frigidaire portable.
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Post# 40968-6/27/2004-12:29 ||| washbear (leeds west yorks.uk)
SUBJECT: hi from u.k.
MESSAGE: hello from uk
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Post# 40969-6/27/2004-12:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Greg, I was referring to the 56 Frigidaire with the display plexiglass, not the James.
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Post# 40970-6/27/2004-12:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: I don't get a kiss? and on pride day. :-(
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Post# 40971-6/27/2004-12:32 ||| washbear (leeds west yorks.uk)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia (hi down under)
MESSAGE: no your not the only washerfreak on this earth mate.
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Post# 40972-6/27/2004-12:32 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: I don't get a kiss? and on pride day. :-(
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Post# 40973-6/27/2004-12:47 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: hi from u.k.
MESSAGE: Another European member! Welcome!!
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Post# 40974-6/27/2004-12:53 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: hi from u.k.
MESSAGE: Hello Washbear!
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Post# 40975-6/27/2004-12:53 ||| rapidry1000 (San Francisco)
SUBJECT: Gay Pride Day in San Francisco
MESSAGE: Happy Gay Pride Day in San Francisco to all Applianceville members!
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Post# 40976-6/27/2004-13:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: hi from u.k.
MESSAGE: Howdy from Texas!
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Post# 40977-6/27/2004-13:27 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Black agitator white tub...from 1955
Norge/Hamilton
ABC-O-Matic
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Post# 40978-6/27/2004-13:32 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert! Yahoo!)
MESSAGE: Either way, still good advice!
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Post# 40979-6/27/2004-13:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia (hi down under)
MESSAGE: Welcome guys - some neat collections of machine all over the globe. Enjoy the site!
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Post# 40980-6/27/2004-13:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Gladys (the dog) will protect everything!
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Post# 40981-6/27/2004-13:42 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (inr tub?)
MESSAGE: No I haven't found a nice tub for this machine, this is the one from the farm. I had it sandblasted, replaced the balance ring (formerly metal shavings/powder) with concrete and painted it with an incredible automotive rust restorer called POR-15 (Paint Over Rust) that seems to be one of the hardest paint finishes I've ever seen. It's a far cry from the original porcelain, but it works and we can use it until another replacement is found. The agitator rings & column I've had for a while, from Robert several years ago to try in my 68 rollermatic, the cap is from Rich (trainguy) and the pulsator is new old stock from Larry at MODERN!! in Cleveland.
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Post# 40982-6/27/2004-14:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, yup, Greg's washer is a top-of-the-line Custom Imperial, my dryer is a step down air-flow Imperial model. The Custom Imperial Dryer was a Filtrator.
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Post# 40983-6/27/2004-14:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Hi Pat, I try to keep mostly 40's and 50's stuff, but I do have a few things from the 60's.
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Post# 40984-6/27/2004-14:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: The James Sweep Flow (Very cool Robert!)
MESSAGE: That's right Bob you missed the '56 Dishwasher show because you flight was delayed by bad weather down there. I'll have to film it for you, or you will see it at the next convention that I do, hopefully years from now :)
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Post# 40985-6/27/2004-14:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (At least a hint?)
MESSAGE: Hey, those don't count MISTER!
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Post# 40986-6/27/2004-15:00 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What? I agree)
MESSAGE: I agree totally.
It was a joke.
Brent
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Post# 40987-6/27/2004-15:08 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Yes I plan on cleaning it up and making him run well again, then I hope to find a good home for him...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Cycla-Fabric
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Post# 40988-6/27/2004-15:24 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie,
I'm up in Brisbane, I've been going crazy on our recent curbside collection, I picked up a 2290, its got a few probs but is in ok condition otherwise.
My pride and joy atm is a 1490N which up until last night was working great :)
Great to see another aussie member, where are you from?
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40989-6/27/2004-15:26 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
That looks great :) If only we could find such pristine stuff over here.
Is it based on the mechanics of the 52 whirlpool, or the more traditional design?
I had dinner with a friend of my last night, from a big farming property in country NSW, he is a buyer for sotherbys, so he appreciates my love of things old. He was talking about a Simpson commercial machine that was on the farm when he was growing up, and it apparantly had controls like a norge timeline. Apparantly it went by the wayside a few years ago :(
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40990-6/27/2004-15:28 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Howdy to all the new people!
MESSAGE: Welcome! You'll have a most wonderful time investigating all the material that others have so generously shared. Check out all the links on the opening page of the site.
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Post# 40991-6/27/2004-15:35 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Mr Whirlpool has copped an Owie
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Yesterday I tightened the seal on the coin trap, and the drip seems to resolve itself. So I put the bearings in the motor and it just purred along literally in any cycle. So I was a very happy chappy.
We moved the old washer out, and with a great deal of difficulty fitted the fullsize whirlpool into the tiny washer space upstairs. It was a heavy struggle getting it up there, getting the new one down was easy as.
I did 4 or 5 loads yesterday without any problems, and then lateish last night, I wanted to run a load of hot water and CLR, which is a calcium/rust/deposit removing substance for kettles etc.
All went well until the final spin, when there was a clunk. At that point all sounded normal, but then there was another bang, and I powered off.
The tub took forever to slow down, and in the end I used my hand to help it along. I decided enough was enough, and left it for the night. This morning however, it appears the belt has broken :( (Motor runs, but nothing happens)
The strange thing is, that the tub doesnt seem to be braking at all, by hand I can turn it once and it spins for 30 sec or more.
I'm guessing with my clutch adjustments that something has gone terribly wrong.
The thing I'm most peeved about is having to get it out of the tiny space its pushed in, and prob get it back downstairs again :(
If anyone has any suggestions for what would cause the lack of breaking, great. Would the belt not being attached be enough to cause that?
Otherwise I'll fill you in once I get it opened up and have a look.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 40992-6/27/2004-15:40 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Darn!!! I mean Congratulations!!!
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Post# 40993-6/27/2004-15:47 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric (What a beauty!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Congrats!
Clean it up? It looks like it is in like new shape.
Was it being used? If not, do you know what is wrong with it?
The tub looks brand new and glossy!
Is that a Sears Best sticker on the front? I could not make it out.
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent
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Post# 40994-6/27/2004-16:14 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Well slug me silly, for some strange reason, I thought that was a Filtrator even though I knoew it was an Imperial. And I think I even used that dryer.
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Post# 40995-6/27/2004-16:17 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric (WOW!)
MESSAGE: It looks brand new! It is another rare tub with 4 rows of holes on the bottom too! How exciting! What is wrong with it? It looks like it should be purring along already in its condition!
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Post# 40996-6/27/2004-16:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Beautiful. OK, I've forgotten, discussed years ago, but what was special about the Cycla-Fabric?
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Post# 40997-6/27/2004-16:53 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Another great find from the Twin Cities, Robert. I am always amazed at the things you find at estate sales in your area. That is the difference between Mpls. and here. Those wet, northeast basements just play havoc with appliances.....
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Post# 40998-6/27/2004-18:24 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: frigidaire wcd65
MESSAGE: hey all have a question does anyone or does anyone know where i might be able to find an agitator arm for my 65 firgidaire seems this one must have striped off and wont hold any longer any information would be wonderful thanks lots chris
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Post# 40999-6/27/2004-18:27 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: What a great find. I love it. It looks so clean inside and out. I can't wait to see the restoration process. Are you going to go as far with the restoring process as you did with your Lady Kenmore. Thanks for sharing. Dano
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Post# 41000-6/27/2004-18:47 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: I'm really jazzed guys! I finally made up my mind and brought this little beauty home last Friday! As some of you already know I absolutely go fruit over old Kenmores like this one. Just had a minute and was able to take a couple of shots of it.
Right now it will have to sit with its other new found brothers and sisters and wait patiently until I have time to give it some attention.
Other recent finds within the last month-a pink 59 GE Filter-Flo, a 55 Kenmore wringer with Visa-Matic wringer and Roto Swirl agitator that works wonderfully and an old 70s something FL Westy which also purrs like a kitten but is not worth a damn for extracting water from the clothes.
And my congrats to you Robert on your fantastic find of the 55!
Dick S.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=01@56%20Kenmore%20Sudsaver@DICK_S..jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/DICK_S./
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Post# 41001-6/27/2004-18:55 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--:: (Cycla-Fabric week!)
MESSAGE: Great finds Robert and Dick. Really neat kenmores! What fun!
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Post# 41002-6/27/2004-19:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Wow, VERY handsome machine! The near-pristine condition of the tub looks as if it had hardly ever been used! How does he run now?
Great find Robert! Like I've said many times, you never cease to amaze us!
--Austin
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Post# 41003-6/27/2004-19:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Another beauty with a fat Roto-Swirl! We certainly seem to have some Kenmore luck this week!
"...70s something FL Westy...is not worth a damn for extracting water from the clothes." When CR tested the last of the Westy FL's in 1991 I believe, they also complained about poor water extraction and gave it a low score.
--Austin
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Post# 41004-6/27/2004-20:27 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Wow-another beauty. Congratulations Dick on your new Kenmore
machine. It looks to be in very good shape on the outside. How does it look under side. Have you been able to run it thru a cycle yet. You have found some neat machines lately.
We will have to find you a real box of original scent Tide to go along with the Kenmore. Dano
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Post# 41005-6/27/2004-22:07 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: COOL!!-like the one my grandmother had.-last time I saw it in the 70's she was still using it.Don't know what happened to it after she died.Watched it work when I was little.
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Post# 41006-6/27/2004-22:16 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Congrats are certainly in order. Have a ball with it.There has got to be more out there:-)
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Post# 41007-6/27/2004-22:54 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Another great find Robert, You just have to love the estate sales, I sure wish we had them around here. The Kenmore looks like it has been given a lot of TLC over the years, rare these days. What are the two little rectangles next to the water temp. dial, not sure if they are buttons or lights? As always thanks for sharing. Terry
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Post# 41008-6/27/2004-23:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Here it is! I found this at a sale on Friday morning, a washer I've always wanted... It needed a little cleaning, some electrical work and a new hose but it's working wonderfully now and ready for a coming out celebration!!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=23@Suzy%20Homemaker%20Washer@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 41009-6/27/2004-23:05 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Excellent! Remarkable shape for it's age, does it need much work?
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Post# 41010-6/27/2004-23:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Another cool Kenmore find - gotta love the "Sudsomatic" too!
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Post# 41011-6/27/2004-23:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: How cute, and she actually washes too!
--Austin
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Post# 41012-6/27/2004-23:09 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Howdy, Terry!
The little rectangles are windows through which the settings for water level and temperature appear.
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Post# 41013-6/27/2004-23:11 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Very cool! It's great how those vintage machines have so many lights. That's one thing seriously missing from modern washers & dryers.
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Post# 41014-6/27/2004-23:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Not to get off topic, but I thought your F&P had a backlit control panel.
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Post# 41015-6/27/2004-23:12 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Neutral drain, LOL!
I don't do eBay, but I had a friend bid on a couple Suzy Homemakers. Never been successful. :-(
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Post# 41016-6/27/2004-23:14 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Very interesting-the "suzi Homemaker" machine seems to work pretty well too-What were you washing in it?Works like a regular washer but in miniature.Does it run on batteries?Wonder how many "loads" you get on a set of batteries?Didn't relize "toy" washers were so realistic!!-and usable too.
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Post# 41017-6/27/2004-23:16 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Another question-when were the "Suzie Homemeaker" appliances made?Don't recall them from my childhood.
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Post# 41018-6/27/2004-23:17 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: It's not backlit per se, but has indicator LEDs simply because of being fully electronic. Modern electronic-control machines do, of course, have various LEDs or LCD panels, they don't have those cool full-width or under-console fluorescent lights, and no top-loaders with lighted tubs (I'm assuming the Neptune TL doesn't have a tub light). And certainly no germicidal bulbs!
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Post# 41019-6/27/2004-23:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: I thought they were made during the 60's.
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Post# 41020-6/27/2004-23:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Very good-glad some of them survived.Pretty interesting for appliance collectors and fans.almost might make a good "portable" washer of sorts.Was there a dryer?Couldn't imagine that running off batteries.
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Post# 41021-6/27/2004-23:32 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: Had a wonderful weekend in Atlanta. Went to Piedmont Park on Saturday and Sunday we were on Peachtree Street for the Pride Parade. One of our club members was in the parade, too. You’ll have to figure who.
Several friends were there to share the festivities. I said, you know, we should have a ‘Classic Appliance’ float next year. That started a session of what it should have. Washers lined up on a float. And we could spray water into the crowd to cool them off. Another said, you need a bubble machine. Yeah, and a clothesline with rainbow colored clothes. No! Rainbow colored underwear! And what about people circling around the float with agitators on their heads like hats? A slogan: “SORT CLOTHES, NOT PEOPLE!” And of course: www.classicappliances.com!
Let’s start a thread! Oh and we’ll need sponsors, too
Met another member, Steve (Gyrafoam). We had lunch together and discussed washers (what else?!). Looking forward to having him visit and inherit one of the Coppertone Maytag’s later this summer.
Steve1-18
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Post# 41022-6/27/2004-23:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: And if I'm not mistaken, it looks like this is a "Mini-Agi-Tub".
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Post# 41023-6/27/2004-23:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: Glad to see the Coppertone Maytag has found a good home! I really hate to see beautiful (and useful) machines get krushed.
Speaking of washers, how many machines do you have as of today?
--Austin
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Post# 41024-6/27/2004-23:47 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Correct. Perforated. Or perhaps more correctly, slotted.
As I recall, there are four keyboard buttons on the panel:
Wash -- no squirting
Jet Wash -- tub/agitator oscillates, and a little pump mechanism squirts water through the "filter" jet at the rear corner.
Spin Dry
Release (stop)
There's a dummy rotary dial at the left side.
Drain is via a small rubber hose that folds down from a slot in the rear.
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Post# 41025-6/28/2004-00:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Modern machines are downright BORING, with none of the features from back then. Quoted from Robert, "Can you imagine today any washer that the lid automatically popped open during spin! Ahhhh the good old days."
Instead we have hidden lidswitches that prevent us from sticking a screwdriver in it to watch the action. What will they come up with next, magnet-proof lidswitches?
Someone really needs to find a way to travel back in time; that would be really helpful to collectors. Then we could go back to 1948 (the good old days) and get that Apex brand-new!
--Austin
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Post# 41026-6/28/2004-00:44 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--:: (OT: touch of modern)
MESSAGE: I don't think my F&P is all *that* boring. After five years, I still enjoy watching it figure out the water level and vary the agitation stroke, and there are several customization options that I haven't yet tried.
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Post# 41027-6/28/2004-00:56 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: Coppertone Lady Kenmore Pair - PoD
MESSAGE: Now see, there's a set with style. Fluorescent light, pushbutton array, levers, indicator lights, bold chrome trim and a bit of color on the console.
So many of the brands today look alike. When I peruse the Best Buy or Sears or Conn's circular in the newspaper, they all look the same. Even the console designs are virtually identical monochrome (except for number of knobs and where they are positioned).
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Post# 41028-6/28/2004-05:17 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: GE Electric range
MESSAGE: Any interest out there in a 30" GE electric range? Looks to be late 50's vintage,has push button burner controls that face up from the top of the console. White,way above average condition for it's age. Let me know.I'll let it go for what I have in it,which is $10.00
kenny GF
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Post# 41029-6/28/2004-07:15 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Suzy Homemaker Washer
MESSAGE: Hmmm....I seem to remember a Suzy H. washer owned by a neighbor girl back in the '60's. Could have sworn it was operated with a crank, much like a jack-in-the-box. Maybe it wasn't a S.H. brand... Anyway, I recall creating unbalanced loads and making the thing hop around as I tried to keep cranking. Is this machine electric, Gansky?
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Post# 41030-6/28/2004-08:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia (Mad over washers)
MESSAGE: Welcome, and not only you not the only one, you make at 3 that are in Australia.
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Post# 41031-6/28/2004-08:26 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: That's too cool,my friends younger sister had one of these same toy washers back in the mid to late 70's.Too bad I never got to see it operate....I think they ran on batteries,I don't really remember it's been so long.Are they batteries Greg?
Pat
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Post# 41032-6/28/2004-08:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Mr Whirlpool has copped an Owie
MESSAGE: Nathan if the belt broke during the spin cycle it left the washer in the spin mode so the brake is not engaged. You can turn the tub forever, but since there is no belt to turn the transmission pulley it wont go back into brake/neutral mode. You will have to turn the transmission pulley by hand in order to do this.
You might have just over tightened the belt, I suspect your clutch adjustment is just fine, so for now leave that as is and just replace the belt.
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Post# 41033-6/28/2004-08:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric (KM Cycla Fabric)
MESSAGE: One of these was abandoned by the previous owners of the house we moved into in 1971. It had a leaky manifold hose (this was the days when the pump was actually moved into engagement with the belt when draining was called for) wheich we had repaired and we used the machine for some years before we replaced it with a yellow '63 LK and gave it to a friend who continued to use it for years, along with his 1951 Bendix gas dryer. The '63 LK was given away and replaced with the current '78 Coffee Solid State LK.
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Post# 41034-6/28/2004-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric (What a beauty!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, no it wasn't being used as it was unhooked, it was paired up with a '54 Whirlpool dryer as well as two wringer washers. From the looks of it underneath it doesn't appear to have had a huge amount of use.
The sticker is a Sears Sudsamatic sticker.
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Post# 41035-6/28/2004-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: I think that simply meant two cycles, Normal and Modern Fabrics.
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Post# 41036-6/28/2004-08:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Hi Anthony, This machine has a bit of rust on the left and right sides but otherwise seemed to come from a dry basement.
Yes, I feel very lucky to live in Minneapolis, Saturday's wouldn't be the same with all those wonderful sales!
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Post# 41037-6/28/2004-08:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Hi Dan, no I don't think this machine needs a full restoration, the bearings seem very solid, I can tell that just by shaking the agitator. After giving it an initial cleaning, I dry tested it. The motor isn't working and only one water valve solenoid works. So tonight I will trace out the issues and see whats going on. I'll keep everyone posted with pictures. No matter what is wrong I should have or can probably get all the parts I need to make this machine run like new again.
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Post# 41038-6/28/2004-08:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Suzy Homemaker)
MESSAGE: I wanted one of those, along with the range, when they first came out in the Sixties, but, needless to say, boys weren't supposed to ask for toys like this. BUT, thanks to E-Bay, I now have both, and the combination sink-dishwasher I didn't know was also made at the time.
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Post# 41039-6/28/2004-08:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Hi Dick, wow great finds! Love to some pictures of the '59 GE in pink!!!
Have you tested your new '56 Cycla-Fabric Kenmore yet, it looks like its in beautiful shape.
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Post# 41040-6/28/2004-08:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (mini agi-tub)
MESSAGE: No, you're not mistaken, the agitator and tub are one piece
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Post# 41041-6/28/2004-08:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--:: (Control Windows)
MESSAGE: Hi Terry, those are the lighted color controls for Hot-Med-Warm temperature in one window and Hi-Med-Low water level.
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Post# 41042-6/28/2004-08:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Washer (Suzy H.)
MESSAGE: If it was hand crank, it wasn't a Suzy Homemaker. They all ran on batteries, except for their toy iron.
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Post# 41043-6/28/2004-08:49 ||| agiflow-action (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Robert that is simply a beautiful machine....judging by the photos of your and Dick S finds,these machines look like they have been well taken care of.
By the way Robert,did Kenmore make machines in all porcelain in 55?
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Post# 41044-6/28/2004-08:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Wow congrats Greg, that is a very rare find! I used to have one of those Susy Homemaker Washers when I was a kid. It took two years of begging my parents to buy me one. After I finally got my Suzy Homemaker I remember once my dads friends coming over to watch the Yankees game (or something like that with a ball of some sort) and of course I wasn't interested in the game, I heard him say "he finds the gears and mechanism interesting undneath that toy washer, thats we he likes it". Well I did sort of but not as interesting as washing clothes in it!
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Post# 41045-6/28/2004-08:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--:: (Cycla Fabric lights)
MESSAGE: Let's see, as I remember, there was a 40 watt bulb that lit the tub and the water level and water temp windows, 2 7 watt "Night Light" bulbs that lit the timer dial, and the germicial lamp. Is my memory still good?
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Post# 41046-6/28/2004-08:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: It's A Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: I'm not sure about when Kenmore starting making all porcelain machines, I know my '57 is all porcelain, I will have to look in the catalog.
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Post# 41047-6/28/2004-10:39 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: Robert, I had one of these machines when I was a kid too. My parents refused to buy it for me but an aunt of mine took pity and bought it for me for Christmas one year. I used to like to turn it on spin before I drained the water out and make it sling it all over the top. I also had a toy three-ring Frigidaire washer that operated with a hand crank whereas the Suzy omemaker had a battery operated motor.
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Post# 41048-6/28/2004-11:12 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: It's New, It's White (What?)
MESSAGE: Actually that was my impression too, but I guess I didn't pay enough attention at the 2001 convention. Isn't it silly how our memories can decieve us?
Louis
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Post# 41049-6/28/2004-11:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Beautiful machine!! And I love that agitator, although the Super Rotoswirl is my favourite Kenmore/Whirlpool one.
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Post# 41050-6/28/2004-11:18 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find !
MESSAGE: And it really works!!!! Congratulations Greg, I bet some washer addicts will be jealous now!
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Post# 41051-6/28/2004-11:22 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend activities
MESSAGE: OK, I'm not going to guess, I don't know that many members from Atlanta. But I'm curious and would love to see some pictures!
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Post# 41052-6/28/2004-12:26 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission (spin-drain)
MESSAGE: My 1994 Filter-Flo spin-drains, I think the GE's all did until the "Plastic age". My 1999 Maytag spin-drains also.
Unlike the solid tub machines, which spin quickly and then the water is pumped out of the outer tub, these machines have a high speed pump which tries to pump all of water out as the spin comes up to speed. So the spin gradually picks up speed until the water is all pumped out.
Didn't Maytag or possibly some others make a machine with a triple tub, the inner perforated tub, an outer solid tub then the third tub where the water would be spun to and then pumped out?
Still, a spin-drain is always fun to watch. If I'm not watching the whole cycle, I try to catch a spin-drain.
Is Maytag the only mfr with a current spin-drain TL machine?
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Post# 41053-6/28/2004-12:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission (spin-drain)
MESSAGE: I think so. I have a BOL 2003 Dependable Care that spin-drains. Interesting drain mechanism GE has; when the tub gets up to speed the pump moves faster too. I haven't seen a newer Filter-Flo in action so I wouldn't know. Unfortunately they ditched the spin-drain when they turned "plastic", so now it neutral-drains with a separate NOISY electric pump.
--Austin
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Post# 41054-6/28/2004-13:35 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission (spin-drain)
MESSAGE: Hi 48bencix,my current Km does a spin drain if you lift the lid during the neutral drain,but it will stop when the timer advances to the spin segment of the cycle.It does spin out most of the water though before it stops on a full load.
Pat
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Post# 41055-6/28/2004-13:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission (spin-drain)
MESSAGE: My '98 DD Kenmore will do the same if you lift the lid, although it does take some time for the water to pump out. The Whirlpool Design 2000, one of the first DD machines, spin-drained as well (with no neutral drain whatsoever).
--Austin
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Post# 41056-6/28/2004-14:04 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission (spin-drain)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,this may have to go to the sandbox,i read on these threads that early WP DD washers had tranny problems. I wonder why they stopped the spin drain? I'm sure the engineers could have easily fixed the problem,but i guess after nearly 40 yrs of neutral drains by the tim DD came out,maybe they simply decided to stay with tried and true:-)
Pat
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Post# 41057-6/28/2004-14:12 ||| Jimbelle (Oklahome)
SUBJECT: Catalina Wringer Washing Machine
MESSAGE: I just hate to throw this thing away! Does anyone know of a collector that may wont an antique Catalina Wringer Washing machine? Call me at 979-345-4075.
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Post# 41058-6/28/2004-14:26 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Catalina Wringer Washing Machine
MESSAGE: Uhh, your phone number (in Texas) does not correspond to the location (Oklahoma) stated in your profile. ????
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Post# 41059-6/28/2004-14:26 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Suzy)
MESSAGE:
I am fortunate enough to still have the '66 Suzy Homemaker washer my liberal minded parents gave me for Christmas that year. My sister and I had quite a few of the Topper "Suzy" toys: the washer (Topper called it a combination washer/dryer - they never made a separate dryer), mixer, iron, stove/oven (the oven plugged in and heated with a light bulb), vacuum cleaner (I still have the attachments). The washer runs on four D batteries which didn't hold out very long. I eventually wired it up to my erector set transformer and ran it that way. Unfortunately I don't have the washer lid anymore - it met its demise in the oven - phew! The tub and agitator are all one piece. At one point I snipped the little piece of plastic off from the "Jet Wash" button which forces the "Wash" button along with it so I could have a "Jet Rinse".
I would love to see how the dishwasher works sometime.
I also had the "Johnny Service" Topper toys, anyone remember those?
Enjoy, Greg!
Jim S.
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Post# 41060-6/28/2004-14:35 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Button Colors)
MESSAGE:
It's interesting to note my washer's colors are different:
Wash - Turquoise
Jet Wash - Dark Blue
Spin - Red
Release - Yellow
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Post# 41061-6/28/2004-14:53 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Transmission)
MESSAGE:
That's what I liked about the Toppper toys as a kid, they actually worked.
I don't have a digital camera to take pics of the transmission...maybe Greg can? I would say it's similar to Maytag's.
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Post# 41062-6/28/2004-15:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Washer
MESSAGE: This one is powered by 4 D cell batteries. Of course, I bought the super-alkaline power cells so the washing can go on and on!
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Post# 41063-6/28/2004-15:23 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Suzy Homemaker)
MESSAGE: I just saw one of those SH sink-dishwasher toys at an antique fair last weekend in Walnut, Iowa - "Antique City USA" but for some reason the price was nearly triple what I paid at the estate sale this weekend! Now I must find one of those as well, I have the range and washer - was there a refrigerator?
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Post# 41064-6/28/2004-15:25 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Washer (Suzy H.)
MESSAGE: The stove I have has an electric cord and two light bulbs for baking those tasty miniature cakes and pies.
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Post# 41065-6/28/2004-16:05 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Mr Whirlpool has copped an Owie (Back together again)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
One new belt later and its humming away again. You were right on the mark with your diagnosis. Thanks :)
I've had my first experience with sudslock. Two scoops of powder might look better during wash, but the machine is still half full of suds and water by the time it gets to rinse :)
I had to test the Magic Clean this morning, so I threw a wool dog blanket in for a wash and put the drain hose in the Laundry sink, rather than the standpipe to see what would come out.
When drain started, a little spurt of water and then a big hunk of hair and fluff that clogged the drain. So it would appear that the UFO under the washer does a reasonable job of removing hair :)
I'll try and take some pictures tonight of my little toy.
I've almost washed everything that can be washed, I think I'm a little obsessed.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41066-6/28/2004-16:17 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: No Reason for Drip Dry with a Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Hi guys,
You wouldn't have needed drip dry to stop wrinkles being formed in clothes, just running a heavy item through on slow spin speed has almost the same effect :)
If anyone doesnt know and is interested, most domestic (Australian) machines come with Drip dry cycle, This means the machine stops after the final drain, and you hand the clothes out dripping. The idea being to minimise wrinkles, or protect delicates.
I'm finding the slow Whirly spin speed has some pros and cons.
On the good side, I've found that Line dried T-Shirts, dont need ironing, there are no wrinkles if any, compared to the crumpled mass with a 750 spin speed. That is a good thing :)
On the downside, its taking about 36 hours for stuff to dry on the line in the garage, compared to about 24. So I'm just starting my day with a load or two of wash, and hanging it outside.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41067-6/28/2004-18:09 ||| washermad (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia (thanks for welcome)
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone for the warm welcome. I live in Kempsey NSW on the Mid North Coast with my partner Mark. Nathan i have 2 1490N but unfortunately not in working order. Do you find many old washers in Brisbane? They are getting harder to find around here.Mark won't come with me on curbside collections so it's i bit hard to go on my own.
hope to talk to you soon.
Jamie
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Post# 41068-6/28/2004-18:32 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia (thanks for welcome)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie,
Most of the stuff out for curbside collection in our area recently was 90's simpsons, hoovers and F&P. I found a few whirlpools but only one in curbside collection that was in good condition (1490N) and the 2290 that is in ok condition, but has probs spinning, and wont drain although the cams are moving with the cycles.
My Partner Michael has become more enthusiastic than I am about curbside collection, the demon I've released is a little frightening. He's incredibley supportive and patient :) Apparantly when he gets a new dirt bike, I'll have to return the favour :)
If you use MSN my address is nathanp81@hotmail.com add me if you like and maybe we can chat online sometime.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41069-6/28/2004-18:38 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Transmission)
MESSAGE: Would be interesting to see the xmission.I would guess the machine must have been intended to clean the owners doll clothes?Seems like it would work for that.Will have to look up "Topper" toys in the internet-Are they still made?Thats pretty neat you found a surviving machine-the fate of most toys isn't so good.Guess we will need to search those toyboxes out there!
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Post# 41070-6/28/2004-19:05 ||| Agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: For me,that is THE classic WP of the 50's to own.
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Post# 41071-6/28/2004-20:12 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: No Reason for Drip Dry with a Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Nathan, Aus. vintage Whirpools spun at 750 rpm???
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Post# 41072-6/28/2004-20:18 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: No Reason for Drip Dry with a Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Hi Appnut,
No sorry, what I meant was, that the whirly's 550RPM spin speed was replacing the 750-800RPM speed that our 7yo simpson provided.
As we dont use the dryer much, this isnt really a consideration.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41073-6/28/2004-20:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Corp the First Top loading Automatic?
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
Go to the link and view the interactive timeline. Whirlpool are claiming to have manufactured the first Auto TL in 1947, is this correct? I thought the fridgidaire was first.
I guess their implying first TL that is still in production?
Nathan
LINK: http://www.whirlpoolcareers.com/history.htm
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Post# 41074-6/28/2004-20:47 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission (spin-drain)
MESSAGE: Austin, I had the last GE Filter-Flo. It was a BOL model, new in early 1994. I remember the spin drain. The pump appeared to run at the same high speed throughout the cycle. The tub, though not solid, was very sparse with holes, just a few rows near the top, and a sprinkling near the bottom. Looking back, the spin was very similar to old Speed Queen videos I've seen on this site. The only difference is that there was about a 15-second pause after the wash. When that thing kicked into spin, that water was GONE in under a minute! The Perma-Press spin drain was interesting. Shortly after the tub started moving, the cold water kicked on and stayed on for about three minutes as the tub drained, then launched directly into the rinse fill.
Pete
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Post# 41075-6/28/2004-21:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Corp the First Top loading Automatic?
MESSAGE: Probably; in 1980 Frigidaire was bought out by WCI and made a change that we won't ever forget, ditching the up-and-down mechanism. Whirlpool really hasn't changed much except for making their machines direct-drive (which I also hate).
--Austin
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Post# 41076-6/28/2004-22:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: No Reason for Drip Dry with a Whirlpool
MESSAGE: Whirlpool was first?? They might still be making automatic washers, but "first" is a stretch. "Mechanical Mandy" was built by Blackstone as early as 1941...
These are in Yahoo so you have to download the full-size version ;-(
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/91d0&.dnm=f48b.jpg
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Post# 41077-6/28/2004-22:17 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: No Reason for Drip Dry with a Whirlpool (First Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Sorry jumped to previous post - should have been on the Whirlpool First thread...
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Post# 41078-6/28/2004-22:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Well I put a new safe three prong cord on the Kenmore as well as took a look underneath and gave him a water test. The reason the motor wouldn't run originally is one of the wire leads had broken off, a five minute repair. Now the motor runs perfectly.
Unfortunately there are some leaks which means the spin basket has to be removed to fix them as well as the pump is draining slowly and probably needs replacing.
On the up side all the electrical components work perfectly and the timer makes that wonderful cccchuck sound every 60 seconds with each increment. It has a tub light and germacidal lamp socket, the blue bulb is broken but I have plenty of extras.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=06@1st%20things%201st%20a%20brand%20new%20cord.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Cycla-Fabric
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Post# 41079-6/28/2004-22:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: The base, tranny, and motor look surprisingly good! Since it seems to work I don't think you would have any problem removing the spin basket, unlike the '57 Kenmore from the farm!
--Austin
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Post# 41080-6/28/2004-23:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: As a follow-up the Belden cord/plug is exactly like the one on my Kenmore Jr. wringer.
--Austin
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Post# 41081-6/28/2004-23:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: I don't think you would have any problem removing the spin basket
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ, I'm so sorry sir but your answer is incorrect.
Lets hope torching the nut to a bazillion degrees will get it to budge, but I doubt it.
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Post# 41082-6/28/2004-23:55 ||| washerlover (Phoenix)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Jet Wash?)
MESSAGE: No photos of the Jet Wash? I just fixed mine and I couldn't be happier! I didn't know it had that feature until I took it apart & discovered a pipe & bellows with a broken cable. I hooked it up and voila! Jet Wash!
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Post# 41083-6/28/2004-23:56 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Robert\
If the nut is a problem I find it much easier to split it with a chisel on opposite sides of the nut. The nuts should be no problem to buy new. The problem really is when you try to remove the tub afterword. Then sometimes heat around the top of the tub helps alot.
Greg
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Post# 41084-6/29/2004-00:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Suzy Homemaker combination sink/dishwasher)
MESSAGE: The dishwasher uses the "impeller" technology, the impeller has little cup shaped blades on it like on a anemometer. Has a separate rack and it apparently came with little dishes, mine came with some, but I suspect there were more when it was new. The door has a window in it. The sink faucet works, has two compartments in the "backsplash/control panel" that one would fill with hot and cold water to feed the faucet. Like the washer, draining was done with a little hose in the back. I didn't know this item existed until I started looking for the washer. Also didn't know that there were 3 different sizes of the range.
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Post# 41085-6/29/2004-00:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Suzy Homemaker refrigerator)
MESSAGE: Yes, there was, and it came with plastic food
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Post# 41086-6/29/2004-00:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Suzy Homemaker Washer (Suzy H. range)
MESSAGE: Thenyou have the large oven with the working surface units (the control knobs would open little shutters under units to let some heat flow up from the oven) The smaller models had totally fake controls and only one light bulb. There's another version of the range called the "Super Oven" that used an actual heating unit instead of light bulbs and there was no window in the door.
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Post# 41087-6/29/2004-00:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Topper toys)
MESSAGE: The workings under a Suzy Homemaker washer are quite "cute" especially the mechanism that does the "Jet Wash". I remember seeing the commercials back then and being very impressed with the Jet Wash.
They really aren't that rare, I think they sold very well, so it's not too hard to find working examples all over E-Bay.
I think Topper has either gone to that big Toy Factory in the sky, or got bought out by somebody else. they made a LOT of different toy household appliances and gadgets.
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Post# 41088-6/29/2004-00:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Topper toys)
MESSAGE: The workings under a Suzy Homemaker washer are quite "cute" especially the mechanism that does the "Jet Wash". I remember seeing the commercials back then and being very impressed with the Jet Wash.
They really aren't that rare, I think they sold very well, so it's not too hard to find working examples all over E-Bay.
I think Topper has either gone to that big Toy Factory in the sky, or got bought out by somebody else. they made a LOT of different toy household appliances and gadgets.
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Post# 41089-6/29/2004-00:46 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Topper toys)
MESSAGE: "...They really aren't that rare, I think they sold very well, so it's not too hard to find working examples all over E-Bay..."
Yes, I do see quite a few Suzy Homemaker mixers & other gadgets on eBay every now & then.
--Austin
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Post# 41090-6/29/2004-01:37 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Weekend Find ! (Topper toys)
MESSAGE: Lokked 'em up on the internet-yes they went to the big toybox in the sky.Went under in 1972 or 1973.The owner was accused of racteering of all things.They made all types of toy products.Suzie Homemaker was for the girls-Johnny Quest for the boys.Was overwhelmed by the products they made in the 50's,60's and early 70's.Too bad-sounded like fun!!Also saw sites for Marx,Ideal,Mattel,Remco,etc.Mattel is the only one surviving now.
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Post# 41091-6/29/2004-07:24 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Thanks Dano and I'm overjoyed in finding the machine! It takes me back to the time in my life when I used to wash in my sister's 57 "frog eyed" straight vane AND this one has a suds saver-something I've wanted for years and years.
We plugged it in and it doesn't run. No juice for some reason. The timer seems to turn okay and I can't wait until it is running as I believe it will be one of those that makes a "click" noise with each "minute" increment advancement. And I think it has a bell that rings during the last minute of spin. It needs bearings as the agitator is loose, however the underside looks very decent. Of course it needs new hoses (the water level hose broke off because of being so brittle), a new grounded cord, new tub seals, and God knows what else. I will take more pics later this week and post them.
And YES, I would love to experience that old Tide fragrance again! I have yet to get to that fragrance shop and ask them about it.
Dick S.
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Post# 41092-6/29/2004-07:28 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Robert-Thanks and I will post some pics of the GE Filter Flo later on in the week.
The 56 doesn't run unfortunately.
Dick S.
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Post# 41093-6/29/2004-07:46 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: Robert-Thanks and I will post some pics of the pink 59 GE later on in the week.
The 56 doesn't run unfortunately.
Dick S.
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Post# 41094-6/29/2004-07:50 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: OK, Who has this in their collection?
MESSAGE: This is one fine machine from Kenmore and I wonder if the washer has the timer in the center of the control panel? I think I've seen the washer on Knots Landings in one episode. Is this the one?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71255&item=3824658430&rd=1
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Post# 41095-6/29/2004-07:54 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia (thanks for welcome)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie
Kempsey?? My partner's sister is from Kempsey, though she is living with us at present. (eek) Well actually Millbank, but Kempsey is the nearest almost civilized place.
There is an appliance shop at Macksville I went to a few years ago for spare parts for her machine, I was amazed at the ancient spare parts still on the shelf. (Spare parts counter at the back of the shop, I had to go behind the counter for something.) It might be worth your looking at some day.
Best Wishes
Chris.
Small world.
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Post# 41096-6/29/2004-08:16 ||| Polliester (NY)
SUBJECT: Monitor wringer washer
MESSAGE: Hi everyone, I just found this site while searching for info on an item I found on ebay. I haven't found anything so far, any suggestions?
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3684816160
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Post# 41097-6/29/2004-08:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, I seem to have more problems getting the nut to turn then getting the basket pulled out after I get the nut off. I learned a special trick early on, you stand in the basket and rock it back and forth with your feet, it loosens it almost every time!
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Post# 41098-6/29/2004-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: And lookie guys--Another Cycla Frabric found!! ((--::
MESSAGE: The 56 doesn't run unfortunately.
But thats part of the fun. You get all the more pleasure washing in this machine when you know you've brought it back to life yourself.
Please keep us posted with pictures of your restoration if all possible. Thanks Dick.
ps. Your timer should have that wonderful increment clicking sound too!
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Post# 41099-6/29/2004-09:13 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: photos again
MESSAGE: Hi
Here are some more photos.
No's 21 to 24 are of a Hoover 720 I saw at the recycler today.
No's 25 and 26 are Simpson Delta 10 and Delta S. They are both mid sized machines (about 5 kg) based on the design of the Simpson 144 series, but in a narrower cabinet. There was an even smaller version, the Minimatic, which had the same narrow cabinet width, and shorter too. (about 3.5 kg load) The Delta 10 is the original design, the Delta S is a cheaper version released towards the end of the model. (about 1980??)
There was an even earlier Delta 10, the spin/drip dry and suds save switches were illuminated rockers - the rocker switches were not waterproof, switching them with wet fingers could be a shocking experience! (240 v remember)
No's 27 and 28 are Simpson 144 - the full size machine.
No's 29 and 30 are a Maytag machine at the neighbourhood house. The house is owned by the local hospital, I'd assume the Maytag is a castoff from the hospital as they are very rare here except in commercial use. It is still used regularly to wash teatowels and dishcloths, though the agitator has a nasty crack in it. Note the similarity between the Simpson and Maytag agitators - photos 28 and 29. Are they related? I don't know yet.
Chris.
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Post# 41100-6/29/2004-09:17 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (hmmm - here's the link...)
MESSAGE: such a goose...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO/21@Hoover%20720@GIZMO.jpg
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Post# 41101-6/29/2004-09:23 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (hmmm - no, ignore that, use this link...)
MESSAGE: still getting the hang of this, sorry.
C
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=21@Hoover%20720@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 41102-6/29/2004-10:56 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE AW6--Complicated Transmission (spin-drain)
MESSAGE: The pump on the GE runs at motor speed. It is connected to the motor via a rubber coupler. The clutch and belt slip when the machine first goes into spin, so the tub revolves slowly at first and builds up speed as the tub drain.
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Post# 41103-6/29/2004-11:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, Who has this in their collection?
MESSAGE: Ooooh, close to me....
--Austin
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Post# 41104-6/29/2004-12:00 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (Simpson & Maytag Agitator Similarities)
MESSAGE: Chris, I saw a Maytag EXACTLY like the one pictured at Crosstimbers Appliances in Houston. Same cycle/water level/temp. selections, white timer knob & pushbuttons, etc, except this one had a black control panel. Seemed to be a near-BOL model, as it had few selections and was a small capacity machine (probably only 12 lbs. or so).
Also, the agitator in the Simpson 144 closely resembles a Maytag agitator, except for the color and the round fins at the top.
--Austin
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Post# 41105-6/29/2004-12:16 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, Who has this in their collection?
MESSAGE: How close is it to you?
Oh man, isn't he a beauty!?!
Larry
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Post# 41106-6/29/2004-12:16 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, Who has this in their collection?
MESSAGE: This is one of my favorite Sears designs, from about 1970 or 71. The washer has an off center timer arrangement as well, and the dial part lights up on both. I *think* at that time this pair was the first step down from the Lady Kenmore with the big buttons.
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Post# 41107-6/29/2004-12:22 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, Who has this in their collection?
MESSAGE: 50 miles. I think it's worth taking, don't you?
--Austin
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Post# 41108-6/29/2004-14:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: Wonderful old parts list for Kenmore automatic dryers & wringer washers. I like the warning about agitator replacement: "IMPORTANT--Do not order a Roto-Swirl agitator to replace straight-vane type. Roto-Swirl agitator can be used only in machine with tub specially designed for it." I wonder what the difference is between using a Roto-Swirl & a straight-vane?? My guess is that the drive block only allows you to use one type of agitator, not the tub.
Also, were automatic dryers made before automatic washers, in the 1930's?
--Austin
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Post# 41109-6/29/2004-14:28 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (Simpson & Maytag Agitator Similarities)
MESSAGE: I would say the agitator in the simpson looks like a cross between a Norge and a Maytag but with that tan color and sitting in a Whirlpool/Kenmore modern tub.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=28@Simpson%20144%20inside@GIZMO.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GIZMO
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Post# 41110-6/29/2004-14:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (Simpson & Maytag Agitator Similarities)
MESSAGE: Except make the bottom row of holes more narrowly spaced.
--Austin
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Post# 41111-6/29/2004-15:03 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: I always remember reading that in the catalog about agitators too, but I swear some people here have used them interchangeably, so I too will be interested in what is said on this subject.
Automatic washers and dryers were in their infancy in the last few years prior to WWII. My guess is they would have been more widely known and introduced 5-7 years earlier had the war not taken place.
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Post# 41112-6/29/2004-15:25 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (hmmm - no, ignore that, use this link...)
MESSAGE: Chris, those photos are just wonderful, I just love looking at vintage Australian top loaders! They are so familiar but so very different at the same time. Thanks for posting them.
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Post# 41113-6/29/2004-15:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: The drive block is the same, and they are interchangable between the 29" models. I have to guess that they were concerned about people trying to put that large pregnant roto-swirl into a 24" machine, while I think it would fit, the basket diamater is smaller making for some rough washing action.
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Post# 41114-6/29/2004-16:09 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (maytag bol)
MESSAGE: Thanks for more pics - I enjoy seeing the Hoovers and other brands we don't have here.
I also cringed when I saw the Maytag washer, that is the exact same model we replaced a GE with in spring 1981. It was delivered and I had to wait three days before the Maytag Red Carpet authorized serviceman came to hook it up. (this is a bizarre and long story about our local Maytag distributor and the store we bought from...) We had no fabric softener dispenser or filter either but I bought one with my babysitting money!
Thanks for the pics - such fun!
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Post# 41115-6/29/2004-16:18 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Bendix Model G
MESSAGE: I have no idea what a Bendix Model G looks like, does anyone have any documentation on the Model G????
Anyway there is one located in Fresh Meadows, Queens, New York, if anyone is interested.
Please contact Jeanne at :jeannenietsche@yahoo.com
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Post# 41116-6/29/2004-16:19 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore POD
MESSAGE: I think there is a picture somewhere of the Hotpoint dryer in Maryland (John & Tom's collection) which was reported to be from 1937'ish and the very first automatic dryer. Would have been around the same time as the Bendix washer...
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Post# 41117-6/29/2004-16:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Model G
MESSAGE: Should be a number after the "G"? Anyway, this was the first of the suspended assembly washers in 1948-49, Jon Charles has one. "G" was for gyro or gyrator, something like that...
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Post# 41118-6/29/2004-16:44 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Model G
MESSAGE: Did Bendix continue to make bolt-downs after they came out with suspended-tub machines?
--Austin
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Post# 41119-6/29/2004-17:54 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Model G
MESSAGE: I think this answeres both Gregs about the gyromatic and yes Austin they made bolt downs the same time they came out with the suspended machine - the gyromatic. Not the soap injector. We had the one when I was born on the bottom right. Hope I can paste this in. I can't get it to paste. I will try something else. Thanks Dano
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Post# 41120-6/29/2004-18:00 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (hmmm - no, ignore that, use this link...)
MESSAGE: The first thing I thought of when I saw this photo is how much the top part of the cabinet resembles the old (solid-tub) Hotpoint. Is this machine built in your country? If not do you know who the manufacturer is? Just trying to educate myself a little.
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Post# 41121-6/29/2004-19:37 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (Simpson & Maytag Agitator Similarities)
MESSAGE: I saw this same machine, too - at my local used
appliance store in Northeastern PA. Lower end, but
still very cool and a true Maytag on the inside. The
agitator cap is higher than the flat disc one usually
sees on Maytag coin-ops and models without softener
dispensers.
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Post# 41122-6/29/2004-20:08 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: '65 rollermatic bad roller ???
MESSAGE: ok, now that the capacitor is replaced and the machine is running fine, or I thought ....., I filled with clothes and ran a full tub and the spin roller during agitation sounds "AWFUL" .... it rattles like it is going to let go and crash through the cabinet. Its fine in spin but I am going to try and replace that this weekend .... any tips/hints ?? should not be to tough right ?? I could see a couple flat spots on that roller as well ...........
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Post# 41123-6/29/2004-20:09 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: 55 cyclafabric
MESSAGE: Robert, when did you get that ?? wow, very cool :) is there a light behind the timer dial ? I think "JC" has one of those ......
-g
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Post# 41124-6/29/2004-20:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: photos again (Simpson & Maytag Agitator Similarities)
MESSAGE: I think the machine I saw had a fabric softener dispenser.
--Austin
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Post# 41125-6/29/2004-20:50 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: "SUN" det
MESSAGE: anyone ever try "SUN" detergent ?? I bought a small box in the dollar store today, very clean vintage smelling to me :)
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Post# 41126-6/29/2004-21:04 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Robert,
I have a "single stage" pump like that I just removed from a 56 Whirlpool.If you want it,just email me your address and I will gladly send it to you.
Rick
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Post# 41127-6/29/2004-21:50 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: '65 rollermatic bad roller ???
MESSAGE: From what I remember, getting to the 1/4" OR 5/16" nut that holds that roller to the mechanism is tricky! Maybe the little springs that it floats on are bad or missing?
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Post# 41128-6/29/2004-22:16 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (dollar and 99cent center)
MESSAGE: Our local 99 cent center has Rinso products. I purchased Rinso Diswasher detergent with Phosphates and Chlorine Bleach. Fairly coarse mixture, but I use it in one of the dispensers in my diswasher. In the other I use Cascade because I know that it will get the dishes clean.
I love dollar stores and 99 cent centers.
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Post# 41129-6/29/2004-22:24 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 55 cyclafabric
MESSAGE: I found it last saturday at an estate sale Greg. Jon Charles has the '56 which is very similar with a few slight differences. I used to have the matching dryer, but like many dryers, they come and go.
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Post# 41130-6/29/2004-22:24 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: Australia members
MESSAGE: I must say how much I enjoy the posts from the Australian Appliance Guys. It's great to see machines that are similar and yet different. Europe has distinct and usually smaller machines. Australian machines are as large as ours, but different. They kept semi-automatic machines around longer, it seems.
And I can't help myself. Our General Motors (Holden there) is importing the Monaro rebadged as the latest Pontiac GTO. Slap me for doing that, but the Aussies are way ahead of us in some matters!!
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Post# 41131-6/29/2004-22:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric (Love the Color Wheels)
MESSAGE: Good news on the '55 Kenmore, going in for a closer examination and using a light (duh) I found that the leak is coming from the pump itself and not under the outer tub, YAY so I do not have to remove the spin basket. Since I will never be able to get that nut off without a hammer and chisel and a half hour of sweat.
Tonight I replaced the water valve and inlet hose as well as cleaned the tub ring and replaced both the 40watt bulb and the Germacidal lamp. Both lights now work and even cooler light up the temperature and water level through color wheels!
Later on in the week I will replace the pump and give it its first real test wash. Stay tuned...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=09@Brand%20New%20Old%20Stock%20Water%20Valve.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Cycla-Fabric
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Post# 41132-6/29/2004-22:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Australia members
MESSAGE: It looks like they also kept the Pulsamatic around longer. Chris's (gizmo) Frigidaire Master uses the Pulsamatic transmission, but has a mid-to-late 1960's cabinet and timer. Chris, what was the year of this machine?
--Austin
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Post# 41133-6/29/2004-22:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Thanks Rick, I think I have a new one over in my storage unit, I will stop by tomorrow and see.
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Post# 41134-6/29/2004-22:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric (Love the Color Wheels)
MESSAGE: Beautiful so far!
--Austin
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Post# 41135-6/29/2004-22:45 ||| 48bencix (Sacramento CA)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric (You're doing a great job)
MESSAGE: Looking at the POD 260 visits, that's fantastic. I, as many others have found a part of my home here. I have owned or used or my parents owned many of the unique washers that you guys have. Including the first Bendixs Kenmores Frigidaires Norges GE Filterflos Wards Western Auto Machines. I hope to acquire some of the classics myself. Other than the 1994 Filter Flow that I thought was much older. Since I take good care of my machines, I thought it was 20 years old!..
So, I am looking for more fun machines.
Again,
thanks for all of the FUN!!
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Post# 41136-6/30/2004-00:11 ||| gyromatic (st paul mn)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix Model G (BENDIX "
G"
questions)
MESSAGE: General information from book states,Models "G", produced from October 1947 to date.G -310,G-315,G-311,G-316,G312,G-314.G is gyromatic.Hope this helps.Pictures available for these models.
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Post# 41137-6/30/2004-00:31 ||| Luvlyjubly (Australia)
SUBJECT: operating manual
MESSAGE: This site was not at all what I expected the search engine to come up with but okay...whatever. :)
Anyone have an idea where I can get an operator's manual (file is fine) for a GE Mobile Maid potscrubber dishwasher?
L Jubbly
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Post# 41138-6/30/2004-02:39 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun detergent)
MESSAGE: I have 2 big boxes of Sun deterent in my cabinet right now. Seems to work OK, but it's like the old days, a full cup for a load.
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Post# 41139-6/30/2004-02:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric (Cycla Fabric water valves)
MESSAGE: That's a switch, note how the old original valve has the PLASTIC valve body and the newer valve has the BRASS valve body. You'd think it'd be the other way around.
Is the timer dial lighted by 2 7 watt "Night Light" bulbs?
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Post# 41140-6/30/2004-05:25 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '65 rollermatic bad roller ???
MESSAGE: On the "newer" GM Frigidaires,I remember changing out rollers using a small ratcheting wrench,the kind you flip over to tighten,and loosen. They weren't much of a problem.
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Post# 41141-6/30/2004-07:13 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Work Begins on the Cycla-Fabric (Love the Color Wheels)
MESSAGE: love the way they light up , very cool, and look at how well constructed that fill valve assembly is, no plastic there !!
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Post# 41142-6/30/2004-07:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: fill valve question
MESSAGE: on my '67 Frig wshr "rapidry", the "hot" stays "open" all the time, whether the machine is even on or off, so maybe just opening it up and cleaning it out first ?? or is it a bad solenoid ?? I will try to clean it out, could be debris preventing it from closing, then use a multi-meter to test the solenoid right? (new at this), and if the solenoid is bad, can I replace just that one without replacing the whole fill valve assembly ? -thnx
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Post# 41143-6/30/2004-07:19 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun detergent)
MESSAGE: so you use more ...... and ultimately "spend more" ?? hmmmm, figures ........
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Post# 41144-6/30/2004-07:21 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '65 rollermatic bad roller ???
MESSAGE: yea, on the '70-79 1/18's where you can take the front panel off .......... I think it might be a tad more difficult getting through the back access panel on the rollermatics. But will see, thanks for the tip :)
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Post# 41145-6/30/2004-08:19 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: fill valve question
MESSAGE: The solenoid is probably good. Sounds like the valve is not seating due to debris or a tear in the rubber diaphram. Try taking it apart to see what's going on inside. The solenoid just lifts the plunger to let water flow. If the solenoid was bad you would not get any water flow at all, or it would be erratic.
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Post# 41146-6/30/2004-08:26 ||| washermad (Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi from Australia (Small world)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris
Yes it is a small world, My father has not long sold his farm at Millbank and my family comes from willawarrin.
I often go through Macksville so i will check out the appliance shop on my next trip north. it's amazing what you can find around this area tucked in the back of a shed or in the back on old store. Only today i found a simpson pope wringer in the back of a cafe (now in my laundry).
Who knows maybe your partners sister knows my family??
Regards
Jamie
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Post# 41147-6/30/2004-08:33 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: fill valve question
MESSAGE: I agree 100%, the solenoid I bet is just fine, do take it a part and make sure everything is clean inside. Or better yet Greg, go to your appliance part store and buy a water valve rebuild kit. Let them know you need the rebuild kit for metal plunger column type water valve. It will have all the necessary parts to make the water valve operate like its brand new again.
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Post# 41148-6/30/2004-09:19 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: Ice Tray needed for GE Americana
MESSAGE: Hi folks,
My 63/64 vintage GE American Refrigerator has the auto-fill ice tray. After 40 years, the tray is beginning to crack due to the flexing needed to release the cubes. This auto fill system was used in several GE refigerator models. If anyone has a line on a good used, or NOS???? ice tray, I am looking.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
MK in LBC
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Post# 41149-6/30/2004-09:27 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun detergent)
MESSAGE: Do you think the bad roller was caused by that Sun detergent you purchased.................(ducks and runs)............!
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Post# 41150-6/30/2004-09:29 ||| Dick_S. (Palm Springs vicinity)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det
MESSAGE: Greg-I have never used the powdered Sun but I have used the liquid Sun and I was surprised at how well it cleaned.
You asked me to let you know how I like the Sears Plus with Oxi-clean. I have been using it the last couple of weeks and really like it. It does make a bit of suds but I seem to notice this any time Oxi-clean is added to any detergent.
Dick S.
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Post# 41151-6/30/2004-10:16 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun Detergent)
MESSAGE: This is very interesting. Talk about the Sun detergents led me to lookup the label. Look at the link below. I believe the main plants are in Utah.
LINK: http://www.huish.com/contractmfg.html
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Post# 41152-6/30/2004-10:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun Detergent)
MESSAGE: Interesting that Huish Detergents also makes Surf & Clorox 2. I wonder what the scent difference is between Surf & Sun, although I'm not sure that Surf comes in an "original" scent.
I've used Surf (not a bad detergent) and it produces as much suds as Tide. How does Sun fare on sudsing ability, anyone?
--Austin
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Post# 41153-6/30/2004-10:58 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Boy is this Beautiful
MESSAGE: I was just looking on the server in the picture directory and I see Chris has loaded a picture of his beautiful Westinghouse Roll-out Dishwasher...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/CHRISTFR/
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Post# 41154-6/30/2004-12:12 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: there are still more pics to come, but I uploaded some today (wheras I have dial-up which takes forever) of the GE washer, (still guessing the year?), the '61 Whirlpool, '62 Frigidaire(pink)DW, the other '53 Unimatic that I found, some of my "clutter" which has since been moved/cleaned up considerably, thank you, hahahah ....... the last four are my visit to Robert's also showing his James DW in action, his wonderful vintage ZENITH TV/PHONO/RADIO (please tell me I am right by saying 1950?) that we watched an original "Price is Right" episode on and last but not least, a pic of Greg (gansky)'s chest (holding up a plastic mold in front of him of course-hehehe) demonstrating some embroidery of the "Frigidaire" name ..........
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/d7e5&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/gregm978
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Post# 41155-6/30/2004-12:13 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: fill valve question (thnx)
MESSAGE: great, thank you !!! :)
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Post# 41156-6/30/2004-11:27 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: fill valve question
MESSAGE: thanks John, just learned some more helpful info ....... :)
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Post# 41157-6/30/2004-12:16 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun detergent)
MESSAGE: hahahaha, I have not used it yet, (slap), but I only bought a what they call "7 load" small box to try it out ..........
I liked the bright colors on the box ...........
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Post# 41158-6/30/2004-12:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det
MESSAGE: oh good, glad to hear :)
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Post# 41159-6/30/2004-12:18 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun Detergent)
MESSAGE: Interesting, I love the "SUNLIGHT" powder DW det too, I think its the best ......... there are others that are just or in my book almost as good.
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Post# 41160-6/30/2004-12:20 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Boy is this Beautiful
MESSAGE: I have seen in person, absolutely STUNNING and it was a mess before ..........
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Post# 41161-6/30/2004-11:46 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Thanks for the great pictures Greg! It was so nice to see you when you were in Minnesota. Those are some very nice pieces you've added as well...the RCA washer is wonderful, and I don't think I've ever seen a GE like that....I don't remember seeing a blue tub like that, or buttons going across like that instead of stacked vertically on one side. Very interesting!
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Post# 41162-6/30/2004-13:33 ||| tlee618 (Danville, Illinois)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Thanks so much for sharing all those neat pictures with us Greg, my your collection has sure gotten bigger...I agree with you about the dail up I think we both need an upgrade!! What machine is that one that is round? Terry
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Post# 41163-6/30/2004-17:46 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: Hi everybody at Applianceville,
look what I have found while I was browsing around on eBay.
It's a twin tub manufactured by a small German company I've never heard before and it's made out of wood and as far as I can see the spin dryer part is made out of metal.
Wow, I did not know that those machines ever existed ...
Did you ever had machines like that in the US and what decade was it then?
As I do not know whether you can klick on eBay Germany I attach the link to the photo.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/Bilder/woodentwintub.jpg
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Post# 41164-6/30/2004-13:09 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: thanks Scott !, was nice to see you and everyone else too :), yea, I was suprised, I never saw a GE with a blue tub either or a control panel like that ..... I think its a '68 ..... I had posted the model # a couple months ago, but no one was certain. Hope your enjoying the summer
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Post# 41165-6/30/2004-14:17 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Thanks Terry, yea, I need DSL, which is still not offered, nor is "cable" in my hometown of 3,400 people ....... I am "out in the sticks" as some might say, yet only 15 min from New England's second largest city, Worcester, go figure ........ The round one is my '49 GE dishwasher.
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Post# 41166-6/30/2004-15:04 ||| may63 (Twin Cities)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (GE)
MESSAGE:
Ah at last, there's a pic of a GE washer which closely resembles the washer I grew up with! I believe the washer was a '69. A few differences: It had a dark blue tub, black agitator, and white horizontally arranged buttons. It did not have the extra options to the left of the timer.
Thanks for the memories! Now only if a late '50's RCA Whirlpool dryer would surface next...
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Post# 41167-6/30/2004-16:33 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Boy is this Beautiful (thank you)
MESSAGE: i was able to figure out how to download pics but goofy me cant figure out where to go from there ha ha nothing new of course cause i am a blonde dont ya know but wanted to say thank you for the complement it means alot always chris
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Post# 41168-6/30/2004-17:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Yahoo's horribly cracked drive belt is slipping again and I can't even view the album to look at the latest finds. Can you upload your photos to Robert's photo viewer?
--Austin
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Post# 41169-6/30/2004-18:26 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: fill valve question (water valve not closing)
MESSAGE: Take the valve apart, and there is a diaphragm with two holes in it, one in the center where the plunger seats, and one on the side. If the hole on the side is clogged, the valve won't close because it's water pressure that actually does the closing of the valve. That little hole allows water pressure to build up on the back side of the diaphragm when the valve plunger closes the center hole.It can be clogged with debris, or mineral deposits. The plunger is spring loaded, so if the solenoid fails, it defaults to the closed, not open, position. And yes, jsut the solenoid can be replaced. Most of those valves were made by only 2 companies, Dole or Eaton.
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Post# 41170-6/30/2004-18:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Huish Detergents)
MESSAGE: I knew about Huish, but didn't realize they were contracting with the biggie companies or that they were that big.
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Post# 41171-6/30/2004-18:43 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (Pictures)
MESSAGE: I'm glad you guys can see it, because all I get is a blank page, without even an address in the address bar. If I copy and paste the address, it stil comes up a blank page. Thought it might be a browser problem, but the link to the Huish detergent site works just fine.
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Post# 41172-6/30/2004-18:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (Cable)
MESSAGE: So you're saying you can't get even TV cable or just not cable modem? You might be able to get an ISDN phone line, which falls in between regular dialup and DSL/cable in speed.
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Post# 41173-6/30/2004-19:48 ||| drmitch (Wonderful West Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, You`ve been busy! Great finds,Like them all.I hope you have enough room, It looks kinda close in there! Your friend, Don
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Post# 41174-6/30/2004-19:55 ||| Drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Boy is this Beautiful
MESSAGE: This dishwasher is a beauty Christfr! I found one like it last year but It was built in so the top was gone and the impeller was cracked and I didnt get it. Its a neat peice of history. Don
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Post# 41175-6/30/2004-20:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: The GE w/blue interior and the '53 Unimatic look great! Judging by the control panel, the GE looks like a TOL model.
Who all was at the wash-in at Robert's?
--Austin
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Post# 41176-6/30/2004-20:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: That looks like a hand-operated washer. Do you know the year of this machine?
--Austin
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Post# 41177-6/30/2004-20:25 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Picture 19: Robert, Don (Jetaction), me, and Greg (kneeling by the machine).
Picture 20: Same, except kneeling this time is Gary W. (a local member who is not on-line).
We had a fun evening visiting with everyone!
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Post# 41178-6/30/2004-20:29 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: It kind of looks like a very primitive "Easy Spindrier" as they were known here. Looks like it could be from the early 1900s to 19 teens. Later, there were porcelain washers of the same type and principle. Later ones use an agitator in the wash tub, while earlier ones use a sort of "plunger" device. I think they were available until approximately the late 1960s.
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Post# 41179-6/30/2004-20:52 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (Greg great finds! Yahoo is a mess!)
MESSAGE: Hello there Greg!
You have some really great stuff there. I still can't get over all the machines you have found in such a short time! Fantastic!
Yahoo is a mess these days! I find that if I log onto my Yahoo account, it will let me see anything I want! They are so crazy lately!
Greg? You look great in your Frigidaire t-shirt. Should we start calling you "chesty-gansky"?
Thanks for the pictures.
Looked like you guys had a great time.
Brent
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Post# 41180-6/30/2004-21:17 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det
MESSAGE: I've tried the liquid type from the dollar store. I think the bottle held 32 oz. Pretty good results, clean scent. I also tried the liquid fabric softener. It was in the same size bottle, blue instead of white, with a bright pink cap. Last week, I bought a 10-load box of the powder, but haven't used it yet.
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Post# 41181-6/30/2004-22:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Well after a new pump, water valve, hose repair, new light bulbs and a thorough cleaning the '55 Kenmore Restoration is completed. Now I will wash several loads in it for a good test run. This machine in particular has just wonderful quintessential 1950's belt-drive Kenmore washer sounds!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=12@That%20Wonderful%20Kenmore%20Spray%20Fill.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Cycla-Fabric
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Post# 41182-6/30/2004-22:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: I spoke to Gary Weibel this evening, he reads our club postings quite often. Anyway, I asked him if it would be OK if I posted an album with the pictures I took in his basement a couple of years ago and he was thrilled to share his collection with the club again as many new members might not have not seen it yet. He has some really beautiful things...
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?dir=/COLLECTIONS/GARYWEIBEL
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Post# 41183-6/30/2004-22:49 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
believe or not.. that washer is not hand-operated. although I agree with you, it does really look like one.
They say that it was produced in 1952.
Kai
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Post# 41184-6/30/2004-22:56 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection (What an awesome Collection)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
Thanks for posting those, and the pics of the Kenmore :)
Gary's basement looks like a treasure trove to visit, what a great collection. Its interesting to see the fullsize Westinghouse FL and that there is a Surgilator in the WP wringer.
I love his collection of KA mixers. I've got a 1949 Kenwood Chef that after a very expensive restoration process I'm using regularily.
Great pics and can you let Gary know how pleased I am that he let you post pics of his collection. He's done a great job.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41185-6/30/2004-22:59 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
congrats to this perfect Kenmore Restoration. Everything looks
so well now and I wish you good look for you test washes ;-).
Kai
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Post# 41186-6/30/2004-22:59 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric (Amazing Condition)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
That machine is in amazing condition, Nothing i've seen or found from even 30 years ago looks that good. You've done well to find such a fantastic specimen.
Did WP use white bowls like in the Kenmore, or did they have the black and white speckled ones like we had in AU.
We didnt get white bowls over here until we got the DD machines in 1991.
Thanks for so many great pics of your efforts
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41187-7/0/2004-23:35 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: What a great machine and an excellent job you've done with it! Belt-drive Kenmores & Whirlpools definitely top all other types of washer as far as sounds go! I can just hear the fat Roto-Swirl agitating low water from watching the '57 LK video----the splashy, sloshy "Whoosh-whoosh-whoosh-whoosh" sound! Be sure to post pictures of the maiden loads!
--Austin
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Post# 41188-7/0/2004-23:37 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: Very impressive collection; I would LOVE to have the Westinghouse FL! I didn't realize Montgomery Ward made a Norge-version portable either!
--Austin
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Post# 41189-7/0/2004-23:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: These pictures take me back into time long ago-visiting my grandmothers house and watching a machine like that one go thru its paces!!In hers the Germicidal light no longer worked.She thought I was nuts when I wanted to see it work.-But let me watch anyway-"as long as you don't touch anything"she would say.Wish I knew the fate of that machine today!!She died almost 10 years ago.My cousins inhereted grandmother house-and they remodeled it.That machine lasted a very long time-Remember seeing it in the early 70's the last time I visited her house.Was in college then.That machine lasted over 20 years!
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Post# 41190-7/0/2004-23:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Wehn I watched a machine like that at my grandmothers house-she always used it at full water level.Would have liked to see it a low water level.Bet it would be impressive-Even the sound of it at full loads was a good "woosh-woossh"sound.-sometimes when really loaded with clothes-sort of a "slush-slush" sound.
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Post# 41191-7/0/2004-23:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: What sort of power source does that washer use-is an electric motor or a gas motor?
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Post# 41192-7/0/2004-23:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det
MESSAGE: I think the Food Lion store near me carries Sun poweder-may try it.
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Post# 41193-7/1/2004-00:03 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: Was very impressed with is collection-Loved those KA mixers.also liked that very nice Easy washer with the Plunger style agitator.That would be an interesting one to see in action.Also liked the model or "toy" washers in the collection.Could some of those be model salesmens samples?
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Post# 41194-7/1/2004-00:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric (Amazing Condition)
MESSAGE: I am too amazed at the coindition of the machine-looks like its previous owner took unusally good care of it.It was like my grandmothers machine.
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Post# 41195-7/1/2004-00:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Blue-Tub GE Filter-Flo on eBay!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: OK guys this is THE machine to have! TOL GE Filter-Flo in GREAT WORKING CONDITION with a BLUE SPECKLED TUB! A little darker than Greg's, but still VERY collectible! I'm guessing this machine is from the late 60s or VERY EARLY 70's. Don't hesitate to bid! $50, NJ.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3825011314&rd=1
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Post# 41196-7/1/2004-00:20 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: Malley's Aquarius
MESSAGE: Hi guys,
This is the Malley's version of the Simpson that Chris (Gizmo) posted pics of recently.
They both were made by email at this point.
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20714&item=3824689654&rd=1
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Post# 41197-7/1/2004-00:24 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: The wooden washer does use an electric motor, I do
not know, whether there were gas motor washers in
Germany at all.
Up the 50s and early 60s some washers had a gas powerered heating. But then (for household washers) electic
power became popular more and more and that gas heated machines appeared from the market.
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Post# 41198-7/1/2004-00:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: Why I asked is in the very early times Maytag introduced wringer washers that used a Maytag built gas engine.These were introduced in the 20's and 30's I beleive.Some other folks may know eactly when.Maytag offered customers a choice of the electric motor or the gas one.In some areas of the US -when these machines were introduced-electric power wasn't available.The gas motor machines had a long exhaust hose that you ran to the outside of the house the washer was in.A kick starter pedal was used to turn over the engine to start it. Sort of like a Harely-Davidson Motorcycle kick starter.
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Post# 41199-7/1/2004-00:59 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub (Gas has two Meanings)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac and Mielekai,
I might be missreading some possible confusion, but gas has two meanings.
In australia, we have gas (IE Natural Gas and LPG) and Petrol/Diesel.
In this instance Tolivac is refering to Petrol as gas to run the motor, rather than as LPG or Natural Gas to provide heat.
I could be wrong and may have interfeared unneccessarily, and if so I apologize.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41200-7/1/2004-01:01 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Malley's Aquarius
MESSAGE: Neat old machine. I'm guessing this one has the Maytag-style agitator in it since it's made by Simpson?
Love those Aussie terms, like "holiday house" (summer home).
--Austin
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Post# 41201-7/1/2004-01:04 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection (Montgomery Ward(Norge) portable wahser)
MESSAGE: I have the matching portable dryer to Gary's washer. It's versatile in that it can be set up to run on 110 or 220 volts by changing wire terminals and the cordset.
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Post# 41202-7/1/2004-01:09 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub (Gas has two Meanings)
MESSAGE: You are right-"Petrol" or gasoline was used to run the washer engine.We also have Natuaral gas and LPG gas-these can be used here to run heat sources or engines.I serviced an emergency generator at a radio station in Baltimore MD in the US whose generator ran off natural gas.Deisel is popular engine fuel for standby gen sets as well have serviced several of them-again at radio stations.
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Post# 41203-7/1/2004-01:20 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub (Gas has two Meanings)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac, hi Nathan,
sorry for causing confusion...Well, I guess it was
too early in the morning for me to write this message in
in english language ;-)
So, yes indeed Nathan, I was talking about gas
heating.
I also know that Miele did a wringer washer in the 50s
that had a gas (petrol!) engine and they exported it
to South America to areas where electric power was not
available in that times.
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Post# 41204-7/1/2004-01:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub (Gas has two Meanings)
MESSAGE: I beleive the Maytag washers were also equipped with gas motors were sold into the 50's as well.rural electrification took awhile in some western areas of the US.The gas motor appliances were essental. Some of these devices could be run off a central "hit-miss" gasoline "farm engine" or the PTO of a farm tractor.
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Post# 41205-7/1/2004-05:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub (English language)
MESSAGE: You were fine with the English, you just didn't use US English (gasOLINE) to distinguish it from natural gas or LPG (propane) gas since we don't use the term "petrol" here.
Now let me see if I can borrow a lorry to pick up that washer I saw on the telly...
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Post# 41206-7/1/2004-05:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Cycla-Fabric water valve
MESSAGE: I wonder if that valve was a replacement? The valve that was in my Cycla-Fabric was brass and a 3 solenoid type.
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Post# 41207-7/1/2004-05:27 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Australia members
MESSAGE: Hi Austin
I'm not sure, I think mid sixties. The control panel is plastic so it can't be much older than that. I don't own the machine, just took photos of it at the recycler. I stll have that plastic control panel, spare agitator and rubber pulsator (spares for my WM11), the rest has been krushed. It had a date code which I no longer have, but I mentioned it here and it didn't corespond to US date codes to we don't know what it means.
Chris
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Post# 41208-7/1/2004-06:17 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
I've attached the almost maiden wash of my toy. I'll try not to post too many more pics until I start pulling the Norge apart and having a look at what makes it tick.
Hugs
Nathan
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=18@Whirlpool%201490N%20in%20the%20Laundry@BRISNAT81.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/BRISNAT81/
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Post# 41209-7/1/2004-07:36 ||| steved (Albany, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue-Tub GE Filter-Flo on eBay!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: according to what I could find in my lit, the WWA9500L model was from 1970 and the WWA9500N was from 1972. Not sure what model Gregm's is....
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Post# 41210-7/1/2004-08:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric (Amazing Condition)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, here in the US the top of the line Whirlpool washers from the mid and late 50's had white bowls, then in the early 60's only Kenmore TOL washers had the white triple coat porcelain bowls. Not sure why they switched, the triple coat lasts the longest.
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Post# 41211-7/1/2004-08:35 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash (Love the Fluffy)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, wonderful new pictures, boy that machine really cleaned up nicely. Did you reverse the lid to open from the left, hat is almost Philco-like?
By the way, love the Fluffy!
:)
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Post# 41212-7/1/2004-09:07 ||| spiralactivator (Pennsylvania)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun Detergent)
MESSAGE: Classic Sun (1-cup formula) is my brand! I've used it
for almost four years, since I started college, with
very good results. An economy-size box only costs
$2.50 and lasts me a semester and a half!
Suds
levels are variable, depending on hardness and temperature
of water. In cold water (which I use for colored clothes
and synthetics), there are few visible bubbles, but it
still works. In warm water (towels and linens), the
suds level is visibly higher, and hot water (whites/
socks) really foams up.
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Post# 41213-7/1/2004-09:31 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: Robert, does the frog-eye timer dial light up as well as the water level & temp controls and what are the other colors on those two dials besides the green & yellow settings you showed us in the pics?
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Post# 41214-7/1/2004-09:58 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: Hey Austin, sorry about that, yea, yahoo bites sometimes, but my pics are to "big" to upload here and I don't know how to reduce them without damaging resolution, I need to ask Robert about that ....... keep trying ...... it will and should open eventually .......
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Post# 41215-7/1/2004-09:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: fill valve question (water valve not closing)
MESSAGE: thanks for the helpful info :)
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Post# 41216-7/1/2004-10:01 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (Pictures)
MESSAGE: my link worked at first, hmmm, you can always type into your browser ......... http://photos.yahoo.com/gregm978
that should take you to the albums and you would then click on the one titled "latest finds" ........ let me know if you get in .........
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Post# 41217-7/1/2004-10:02 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ... (Cable)
MESSAGE: NO cable TV, just satellite ..... and yes I think your correct where I can get an ISDN phone line just recently available ....
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Post# 41218-7/1/2004-10:05 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: thank you Don :), yea, I have organized and pulled out a couple machines from the folks basement so it looks ALOT better, they even allowed me to put in a spare connection so that I can hookup one machine at a time. All of my washers are on "magic sliders", yes that is what they call them, and it allows me to hook up any one of them anytime. God bless them for letting me put all this stuff in their basement.
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Post# 41219-7/1/2004-10:07 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: thanks, I was visiting Robert and he had a couple other local people come over .....
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Post# 41220-7/1/2004-10:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (tryout "
sun"
)
MESSAGE: I will be trying the powder out later today ..... yea, nice scent for sure and I heard others say results were good with the liquid too.
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Post# 41221-7/1/2004-10:14 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue-Tub GE Filter-Flo on eBay!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: I think the color is exactly like mine and mine is not speckled but a solid light blue, just like the color that surrounds this box that I am typing in right now. Item being sold "as is" ?? That tells me that something is wrong with it ........
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Post# 41222-7/1/2004-10:39 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Boy is this Beautiful (thank you)
MESSAGE: Hey Chris,
What exactly is your question? Did you save these pictures to your harddrive and can't you find them now? Or did you only see the pictures?
Louis
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Post# 41223-7/1/2004-10:55 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: I've seen this pictures before but again I'm really flabbergasted about how many treasures Gary has in that basement. So many musuem pieces!!!
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Post# 41224-7/1/2004-12:49 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: Great collection of stuff. My mom had the Westinghouse dryer that matched his front loader. Do any of Gary's machines work?
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Post# 41225-7/1/2004-12:56 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Cycla-Fabric water valve
MESSAGE: I also noticed it has a GE motor on it. That must have been a replacement unless Sears had a contract with GE at one time for their electric motors.
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Post# 41226-7/1/2004-13:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Cycla-Fabric water valve
MESSAGE: The old and new motors on Robert's '57 LK didn't appear to be GE, so it's quite possible that this one's a replacement.
--Austin
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Post# 41227-7/1/2004-13:19 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: any tips for removing this thing? I have tried pooring very hot water over it and nothing, I am using a socket wrench and grabbing the tub with the other hand to prevent it from moving ..... any other tips ?? ----thanks in advance --gregm
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Post# 41228-7/1/2004-13:29 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: Which way are you turning it? Maybe it is left handed. Maybe another member knows for sure.
Greg
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Post# 41229-7/1/2004-13:34 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: WOW !!!
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Post# 41230-7/1/2004-13:34 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: An impact wrench is really nice to have for these situations.
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Post# 41231-7/1/2004-13:35 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: wow, thanks for the quick response, hehehe, I actually have tried both ways but predominantly left or counterclockwise ...
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Post# 41232-7/1/2004-13:39 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: I'm sure Robert will have the answer. He knows everything. I think he is God.
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Post# 41233-7/1/2004-13:40 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: I read somewhere about sitting on the edge of the washer with your feet in the tub to hold it still while you try to loosen that nut.
Though it might not be a pretty picture, it sounds like it might work. The biggest problem is holding the tub still. Maybe also tapping the wrench a bit with a small sledge hammer?
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Post# 41234-7/1/2004-13:53 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (turning but)
MESSAGE: Hey John, I just sent you an email :)
Well now it is turning but should I be grabbing the agitator ALSO to prevent that from turning while unscrewing ?? Right now the nut and agitator are both turning in either direction, I think I may have just "stripped" the SOB ..... uuuugghhhh, which means I will probably need a new shaft and so much for an easy change of the bellows ........., well enough of this machine for today, hahahaha .......
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Post# 41235-7/1/2004-14:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: Uh, thanks Greg, but sorry I'm not and I can prove it :). I've never worked on a Rollermatic so I have absolutely no idea.
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Post# 41236-7/1/2004-14:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Cycla-Fabric water valve
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure its the original motor, I do recall seeing other GE motors on early WP/KN machines.
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Post# 41237-7/1/2004-14:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: Oh reading further your just talking about the nut that holds the agitator cones down, not the roller itself. That I have done before and its left turn to loosen. Greg somehow you are going to have to hold the agitator still while doing this, can you clamp onto the agitator shaft from underneath with a vice grip? I've had this probelm before but I've always broken the agitator to get it out as these were machines on the farm.
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Post# 41238-7/1/2004-14:49 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: Just to be clear.Left turn is counterclockwise?
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Post# 41239-7/1/2004-15:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: Yes, left or counterclockwise, leftie-loosie & rightie-tightie.
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Post# 41240-7/1/2004-15:09 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: GregM try this, open the picture in your photo editor and simply resave it. If there is a save-quality setting, try lowering it a bit. That should cut the picture size in half.
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Post# 41241-7/1/2004-15:09 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash (Love the Fluffy)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
The lid was that way aligned when I got it. I reversed it the otherway, because I didnt think it would fit under the taps, and then I reversed it back again when it would :) Mine has no spin interlock, but on these machines you can reverse the lids quite easily, even where spin switch is fitted. The striker pin for the switch is in the hinges.
We have such a small range of fabric softeners compared to you guys.
We have Fluffy, Cuddly, Huggies mainly.
When I was growing up, all I wanted was a Huggie Bear. I dont know how much fabric softener my grandmother went through to get it for me :) Because she had 3 grandchildren at that point it was probably a lot.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41242-7/1/2004-15:27 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: See there, you are God.
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Post# 41243-7/1/2004-16:32 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Cycla-Fabric water valve (Motor)
MESSAGE: The motors were made by GE, Packard Electric(Westinghouse) or Emerson.
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Post# 41244-7/1/2004-16:39 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (Robert that wasn't me)
MESSAGE: I don't think your "GOD" Robert ....... hahahahahaha, but you come close, you have incredible knowledge and experience, and I am sure I speak for many when I say "We appreciate your sharing it" ............
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Post# 41245-7/1/2004-16:41 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: well I do have a new agitator if I HAVE TO use it ..... that is if I break the one that is in there ............
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Post# 41246-7/1/2004-16:41 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: yes .........
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Post# 41247-7/1/2004-16:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: latest finds ...
MESSAGE: will do, thanks for the tip .......
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Post# 41248-7/1/2004-17:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: Although wouldn't it be easy to strip the agitator nut out by applying too much torque?
--Austin
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Post# 41249-7/1/2004-17:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash
MESSAGE: This machine certainly cleaned up great! The Surgilator action looks very powerful during the rinse!
Interesting laundry sink (as well as sink/washer hookup faucets) there. Is the drain pipe built in?
--Austin
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Post# 41250-7/1/2004-17:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash
MESSAGE: Also, if I might add a suggestion: Unless you have a machine that really kicks up the water or a fast-dissolve detergent, it's important to either add the detergent before loading the clothes or add it in a "ring" on top of the load to avoid detergent residue deposited on the clothes.
--Austin
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Post# 41251-7/1/2004-17:53 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge
MESSAGE: As stated before,impact wrench is the way to go. I've also tried the "feet in the tub" method",with some success.
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Post# 41252-7/1/2004-17:57 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash (Laundry Sink)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
The water inlet taps are on the top right of the washer. I had to adjust the cold tap an extra 90deg around so that the hose would go on, and the washer would fit underneath. It wasnt designed with a fullsize washer in mind (24")
The drain pipe is built into the sides of the laundry tub in the back right corner. This side is the washer drain, the other is an overflow should you leave the taps running with the plug in.
This setup, is pretty much common to houses in Australia.
Nathan
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Post# 41253-7/1/2004-18:04 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash (Adding Detergent)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin,
Most powders in AU now are formulated for cold water and pretty much dissolve instantly. Things like powdered bleach usually take a little more to dissolve, but with modern powder I've never experienced caking or residue.
Washing in warm water in AU is seen as an unnecessary expense except for greasy clothes, all my family on both sides has washed in cold since I was little.
Over time the powders have just been formulated to work that way.
In queensland, our cold water temp is rarely ever cold. In summer and for most of winter, the ATC on mums Whirlpool rarely bleeds hot and cold on a cold wash. In fact in summer in the older suburbs where I live, there is little difference between hot and cold water temps at the tap, due to the water mains being so shallow under the road surface.
Thankyou for your suggestion though,
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41254-7/1/2004-18:29 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash
MESSAGE: Wouldn't the Small load size have been sufficient?
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Post# 41255-7/1/2004-18:37 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash (Water Level)
MESSAGE: Hi DADoES,
It was a borderline load size, there were lots of jocks and socks. With this machine, there is only about 6" difference between a small load and a full load water level, on small, the water is over halfway up the agitator. So unless there were only a couple of things in the wash, its just as easy to fill it up.
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41256-7/1/2004-19:30 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool timer shaft extension
MESSAGE: I think gregm was looking for a shaft extension for a w/p washer timer. I stripped the '53 kenmore that was too far gone to do anything with, but saved the timer , straight 3 vane agitator with cap and & brass inlet valve. This one is silver colored, about
1 1/4" long, It has a shouldered end where the timer dial attaches with a set screw and the opposite end is held to the timer shaft with a cotter pin.
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Post# 41257-7/1/2004-20:23 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench???)
MESSAGE: Forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question but what is an "impact" wrench ??
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Post# 41258-7/1/2004-20:25 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool timer shaft extension (YES !! - NEEDED !!!)
MESSAGE: YES, I definately need to have that timer ext. piece if someone has it, actually now that my friend RickR has that WP that I traded for his '61, he needs it, so if someone sends it to me I would then send it to him, or just ask me or him for his address and it could be sent to him directly.
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Post# 41259-7/1/2004-20:57 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: POD sartorial elegance
MESSAGE: Why do the service/delivery men in POD from 1950's and early sixties have black bowties?
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Post# 41260-7/1/2004-21:00 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: POD sartorial elegance
MESSAGE: Why do the POD from 1950-early 60's always show the delivery/service men wearing a black bowtie?
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Post# 41261-7/1/2004-21:02 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric (Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric )
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
I love the Cycla-Fabric - real beauty. I wish sears would have continued with the big back opening lid like this baby.
Peter
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Post# 41262-7/1/2004-21:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench???)
MESSAGE: An impact wrench is a power tool used to loosen or tighten nuts by impacting against the fastner.The wrench has a reversible motor-either eletric or air-can even be hydraulic.It turns an assembly that has weights on it.As the assembly spins the weighted device strikes against the shaft the wrench socket is mounted on.As you could imagine-The impact of the weighted rotor exerts tremendous force against the socket-loosening the fastner.The blows loosen or tighten fastenrs very efficienly.If you ever go to a full service gas station-or your local auto shop-you will see impact wrenches in use.You also see them used by car racing pit crews for changing wheels on the race cars.The wrench makes the loud Brrrrr-eet sound as it loosens or tightens the nut.The Brrrret sound is the weigted rotor spun against the socket shaft.If the wrench isn't used carefully-it can exert so much force it can twist off the bolt the nut is on-or even "spin weld" it on permently.Most have torque limiters that can be adjusted to prevent these things from happening.Hope this helps.
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Post# 41263-7/1/2004-21:43 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric (Neutral Drain)
MESSAGE: Robert, the slide showing the neutral drain brought back a memory of my parents' 1971 Kenmore 800. It had the gold Super Roto-Swirl. During the drain, when the water reached the bottom edge of the agitator, it broke the vacuum of the water held under it, and there were a few ruffles of water that would shimmy out from underneath. At that time, I could smell the steel from the washer parts, the detergent scent from the tub, and the cement smell of our basement all at once.
Pete
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Post# 41264-7/1/2004-21:47 ||| danemodsandy (Atlanta, GA USA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD sartorial elegance (Not Elegance- Reassurance)
MESSAGE: Hi:
That look for service techs really did exist in real life here in the States. Looking back on it, I can see that it was designed for two reasons- one was to make techs look professional, of course. But the other was a little more involved...
By giving techs long sleeves, bow ties, and a cap to wear, there was a certain asexuality enforced in each man's appearance. Since techs often entered houses where women were alone, it was reassuring to consumers that the techs looked professional, yet somewhat meek at the same time. If there is any item of wearing apparel on this planet that could have been specifically designed to stamp out all traces of machismo, the bow tie is IT, LOL.
Also notice that the look is somewhat similar to a policeman or military man of the same era. That helped make the tech a more professional figure, someone whose word was to be trusted.
Very few companies do this sort of thing Stateside today; having a dress code of any kind is an invitation to some sort of discrimination suit, if not very carefully drawn up. Most companies here have simply thrown up their hands, and don't have much of a code any more.
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Post# 41265-7/1/2004-22:06 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: Thanks so much Gary and Robert! I could spend weeks just looking around in that basement.
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Post# 41266-7/1/2004-22:09 ||| peteski50 (New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection (Gary Weibel's Collection)
MESSAGE: Robert
This is a real Great collection.
Peter
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Post# 41267-7/1/2004-23:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD sartorial elegance (Not Elegance- Reassurance)
MESSAGE: In those days it was about the same dress for the DTD vacuum cleaner salesmen.In the sales trainin g videos and manuals for todays vac salesmen-the trend is"dress to the consumers-or is it -prospects level" Ie the salesmen should wear the same sort of clothes the prospect is wearing in their home.I have been doing that and the sales are up!!guess the days of bow ties and suits and ties are over.Also the formal dressed salesperson "scares" the consumer.when the salesperson dresses down-the consumer feels more at ease.Also some salesmen wear T-shirts with the Vac companies' logo on them.Also its easier to give the demo in the less formal clothes.-Too its easier to clean the dust out of the less formal clothes.
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Post# 41268-7/1/2004-23:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash
MESSAGE: Your machine is sort of like my WP Imperial 90.A big difference-the lid on yours opens in the opposite direction.I love these washers.I use mine all the time.Came from the swap shop out here near me.Works much better than the NEWER KN Sereis 80 machine I traded for it.Really like the "splashy" Surgilator action.-Gets those clothes clean!
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Post# 41269-7/2/2004-00:13 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Restoration Completed on the Cycla-Fabric
MESSAGE: It looks great - such a truly vintage look to these "bug-eye" Kenmores!
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Post# 41270-7/2/2004-00:15 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Blue-Tub GE Filter-Flo on eBay!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: This is probably early 70's, our BOL GE filter-flo had the same blue tub and agitator. I hope if the mini-basket and filter pan come with the machine although they are easily replaced still...
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Post# 41271-7/2/2004-00:16 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Antique Wooden Twin Tub
MESSAGE: Very unusual, I've never seen a twin tub made of wood before. See something new everyday!
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Post# 41272-7/2/2004-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench???)
MESSAGE: Sounds like it would work well, but do clamp the agitator shaft from below - just above the agitator shaft/arm coupler. You should be able to rent an impact wrench from a local hardware store or equipment rental company.
Wear your goggles!
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Post# 41273-7/2/2004-01:13 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: 1490N Whirlpools Almost Maiden Wash (Water Level)
MESSAGE: Yes, I remember now that you had said that earlier, about the small level. Interesting. Six inches is an appreciable difference, but seems like the low level would be lower than over halfway. I'm trying to recall ... my mother's aunt had a 1960s Whirlpool with two load size selections (small/large), and I believe the low level was relatively high as well. Maybe on two-level machines, small/low was comparable to medium on machines that had three levels.
Or, could it be that there has been some "slippage" on the pressure switch? Many years ago, my earliest/initial recollections of our 1962 Whirlpool, the high level was much higher than normal, being about a half-inch below the lower lip of the tub ring. During a service call for some sort of problem (maybe a hung water valve), the technician adjusted the pressure switch for proper levels. What had been low then was medium, and high was just about what had been medium. I was rather much disappointed, LOL!
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Post# 41274-7/2/2004-01:48 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench???)
MESSAGE: Yes electric impact wrenches can be rented from most rental stores.the best choice would be an electric one.Just be sure to use the impact rated sockets on the impact wrench.Those machines will quickly tear up hand wrench sockets.Impact sockets are specially hardened and tempered to withstand the extra impact force the impact wrench generates.I would practice with it on someting else so you don't tear up the project your are working on.The sockets should be available from the rental place too.The electric wrench has a reversible motor on it just like a plug-in electric drill.
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Post# 41275-7/2/2004-01:55 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, Who has this in their collection?
MESSAGE: Yes it is!
I just wished that it was closer to me!
Even though I have taken a trip to Yorkville, IL. (50 MILES away from Chicago) to pick up a wringer washer two months ago. I could not leave that area unless I've seen the Sears Tower with my own eyes and WOW, Chicago is a beautiful and extremly clean city compare to NYC and that's where I will take vacation next year, back in that great city!
So snatch that baby up if you have room for it and I may bid on that GE on eBay here in the NY area, good luck!
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Post# 41276-7/2/2004-02:05 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: OK, Who has this in their collection?
MESSAGE: Scott, I'm still amazed that the machines in that era has so much character compare to the flimsy look-a-like of today's machines! Only if the MFG would take a step back and offer limited edition in chrome and lighted control panels. Sales will go through the roof if they were feature laden like the 60's and 70's but with todays better performance!
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Post# 41277-7/2/2004-02:10 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Gary Weibel's Collection
MESSAGE: And they are very heavy little units! I would like to know if the agitator cleaned well since it had the Y on the tail end of the skirt disrupting the water flow during agitation? Can someone give us the facts on this machine with this action?
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Post# 41278-7/2/2004-02:28 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench???(thanks))
MESSAGE: yes, of course I know what they are now, just never knew they were called that, very helpful, thanks very much ......
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Post# 41279-7/2/2004-08:08 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: POD
MESSAGE: love the POD, is that a '58 or '59?
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Post# 41280-7/2/2004-08:32 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957)
MESSAGE: '57
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Post# 41281-7/2/2004-08:52 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957)
MESSAGE: Dashboard has a strong resemblance to the Lincoln automobile of that vintage. When did the "Surgilator" debut? Is the one in the POD "straight-vane"? I remember that agitator "cap" from much older machines. And that reminds me-robert do you know of anyone who has a Whirlpool/Kenmore so old the knobs are on the front edge of the cabinet? Those were all over the place around Atlanta when I was a kid.
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Post# 41282-7/2/2004-08:55 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (yucky)
MESSAGE: You guys need your noses adjusted! Sun has a funky, musty, chemical smell and is way too sudsy. All the calcium carbonate in it tends to solidify in the soap dispensers in the machines in my laundromat, and the suds never rinse out of loads in the frontloaders. Yucky!
Besides, this conversation should be in the sandbox...
-ph
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Post# 41283-7/2/2004-09:00 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (caution!!!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I've ruined 2 rollermatic mechanisms by trying too hard get the nut out. You got to sit on the machine, put your feet into the tub and use them to hold the pulsator in place while you try to get the nut to budge. If you can't get it, you will have to drill and chisel the nut off, or break the cones off.
-ph
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Post# 41284-7/2/2004-09:02 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957)
MESSAGE: The Imperial i believe was the top of the line model in Whirlpool's lineup. This machine has the "wavy" vane surgilator that we are familiar with.
Other than the very early WP washers that started out with the straight vane agitators,I never saw a Whirly with any other type of agitator than the familiar surgilator they used up until DD.(The three vane agitator that is).
Pat
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Post# 41285-7/2/2004-09:05 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench NO WAY!!!)
MESSAGE: A washer tech advised me to do this too, but my clamp bit too hard into the shaft and ruined it. The clamp will either be too loose to really hold the shaft against the power you are putting into removing the nut, or it is too tight and bites into the nice, smooth shaft. I sure would never use a power impact wrench in this case!
-ph
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Post# 41286-7/2/2004-09:16 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957)
MESSAGE: I remember Whirly's into the 60's maybe even 70's with straight vane agitators. They were, of course, not "upper-end".
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Post# 41287-7/2/2004-10:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD
MESSAGE: Interesting! Hadn't noticed on that picture until now that it has a cartridge-type filter.
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Post# 41288-7/2/2004-10:45 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957)
MESSAGE: I guess i just seen more Kenmore's when i was growing up than Whirlpool's.Most people that i knew in my area either had Kenmore or G.E. washers and dryers.
I can remember going into appliance stores when i was younger and seeing WP washers, and i never saw a BOL WP with a straight vane agitator.I thought Whirly stayed with that wavy vane all through their lines....now i want to find one :-)
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Post# 41289-7/2/2004-11:30 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: Does anyone know how much these cost? I am going to take out the inner tub and agitator of my Lady Kenmore Portable and put it in my collection. I am going to the parts store at 1:00pm and it would be great if anyone could help me!
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Post# 41290-7/2/2004-11:39 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: I don't know how much they are but the nut on the portables are usually left handed. Clockwise to unscrew.
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Post# 41291-7/2/2004-11:57 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: My supplier, C.E. Sundberg has a retail of 18.45. It is Sealed Units Parts Co. No TB123A.This should be more or less what it costs depending on where you purchase it of course.
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Post# 41292-7/2/2004-12:12 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench NO WAY!!!)
MESSAGE: With an impact wrench I don't think there will be a need to hold the agigator shaft from below as this wrench hammers at such a high rate of speed. Maybe there is a reason to hold the shaft from below but It wouldn't seem necessary. Maybe someone else can enlighten us on this.
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Post# 41293-7/2/2004-12:12 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: Is the machine broken?
--Austin
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Post# 41294-7/2/2004-12:31 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: Yes...unfortunately. I have another problem now though. I can't figure out how to get the tub ring off. Anyone have any ideas?
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Post# 41295-7/2/2004-13:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: Let me check the "Compact/Portable Section" of my Kenmore Repair Manual for Belt-Driven Automatic Washers.
--Austin
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Post# 41296-7/2/2004-13:15 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: There is a top ring usually held on by tabs around ouside diameter. Remove this and there are four metal clips holding the bottom inner ring. Use a screwdriver and pry the bottom out.
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Post# 41297-7/2/2004-13:18 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: Pry on the clips to remove them, not the top.
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Post# 41298-7/2/2004-13:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: I noticed the full-size BD WP/KM washers have this setup as well, except the tub ring is a different style and diameter (obviously).
--Austin
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Post# 41299-7/2/2004-13:58 ||| fixerman (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: The full size ones are a little different. The portables have a double top ring assembly and the clips attach to the inner side of the outer tub rather than the outside as with the full size. Unless this is one of the really early ones with the lever in the back that moves the casters up and down for rolling it around. Then that is another story.
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Post# 41300-7/2/2004-15:45 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool
MESSAGE: Btw the miniature Super Surgilator isn't the original agitator. The original agitator was a white 3-vaned straight agitator. It had a normal-size column, but with small 1" vanes.
--Austin
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Post# 41301-7/2/2004-17:22 ||| fixit (NE Pennsylvania, USA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (Re: impact wrench on Rollermatics)
MESSAGE: Hi All,
'Came in late on this thread, but would like to add my $.02. I've used a manual (hammer-driven) impact wrench and long extension on these with some success over the years. KD Tools made the one I have here. Used to use it on the 1-18 front panel screws too (Phillips! Yuck! Whose brilliant idea was *that*!)
Anyway, I've had good results clamping the ag shaft with a Vise-grips - as hard and as low as possible - in addition to holding as best I could with my left foot in the tub. You'll want to use a piece of pipe on a breaker bar on these. It isn't critical when you mar the ag shaft down low, bc this lowest portion of the ag shaft doesn't contact the bottom bearing.
I don't remember ever having to break off the ag cones and splitting the nut to remove one. Yikes!
If you try to unscrew the ag nut without something holding the shaft, you'll break the bronze bushing/spline inside the spin shaft. I've broken my share of these over the years, and had to replace more than enough spin shafts as a result. Not a really 'fun' job, but a lot easier on the solid-tubs than the 1-18's.
I'm wondering if carefully warming the nut with a heatgun would be of any help. Never tried it - yet. Frigidaire recommended blue Loctite on the ag nut threads, and we always said 'forget that!'
Hope that's worth $.02.
God bless,
Dave Harnish
Dave's Repair Service
New Albany, PA
drs@sosbbs.com
570-363-2404
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Post# 41302-7/2/2004-18:31 ||| tthomestead (Oklahoma)
SUBJECT: need vintage maytag wringer parts
MESSAGE: I'm looking for the red "push to release" lever for my vintage (Model J, I think) Maytag wringer washer. The part number stamped is K-1286
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Post# 41303-7/2/2004-19:47 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (yucky)
MESSAGE: I see the stormy clouds have blocked my "sun", hehehehe
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Post# 41304-7/2/2004-19:50 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (caution!!!)
MESSAGE: yea, I am needless to say frustrated, another friend of mine (former Frig wshr repairman) emailed me some tips, along with some other hints from other members, thank you :) ..... but I will be careful, when it started to turn "with the agitator", I just stopped, I figured the only thing I am doing is stripping something, or tearing the bellows (already leaking and need to be replaced anyways), well, we will get there eventually :)
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Post# 41305-7/2/2004-19:52 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957directdrive agitators)
MESSAGE: can any type/brand of vintage agitator be used on a "direct-drive" machine ??
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Post# 41306-7/2/2004-19:53 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (impact wrench NO WAY!!!)
MESSAGE: uuugghhh, I may be screwed, fortunately I do have a new "jetcone" and an extra shaft, so if I ruin both, I will be OK ............
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Post# 41307-7/2/2004-19:59 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: new pump in Maytag DW
MESSAGE: since my luck with trying to get that damn agitator nut off has gone astray, I thought I would walk away for a bit and tackle something easier, so I replaced the pump/impeller assembly in my '75 Maytag DW, replaced the belt and lightly greased it per the instructions, it runs GREAT now and quieter, even though they are still a noisy machine. This pump assembly is all one piece, I did have to replace the small bearing for the spray arm, which came with the pump. Overall a VERY easy job.
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Post# 41308-7/2/2004-20:07 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: '67Frig (rollermatic) Agitator nut won't budge (Re: impact wrench on Rollermatics)
MESSAGE: Thanks very much Dave ............. I think I may have already broke the bronze bushing/spline in the spin shaft, but am encouraged if its easier on this vs. the 1/18 .... originally I was using a socket wrench and something did give, both directions, but it was not the nut. I didn't push "the situation" so to speak and just walked away after a few choice words, fortunately I was alone. -hehe, After reading all the helpful posts I should have asked for tips before even taking this on. Another lesson learned. Right now keeping the tub still is irrevelant, because the agitator does "turn", but if I grab the agitator itself, you can tell the nut is still on their solid. What about pointing a hair dryer on it and heating it up that way ?? I will have to borrow Mom's, I barely have any hair to dry period ........ gotta throw some humor in there.
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Post# 41309-7/2/2004-20:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957directdrive agitators)
MESSAGE: I wouldn't try it if I were you. Direct-drive machines have a shorter, quicker stroke than belt-drive which is why the DD agitators have smaller vanes. BD agitators have large vanes meant for long, slow strokes, and if you were to try using one in a DD machine you would risk damaging the transmission since you get more water resistance from a large-vaned agitator.
--Austin
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Post# 41310-7/2/2004-20:10 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: Youngstown Kitchen on Ebay
MESSAGE: Check out the fab dishwasher!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=20591&item=5906713142&rd=1
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Post# 41311-7/2/2004-20:11 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957directdrive agitators)
MESSAGE: I don't think so,the DD have a short center post,I have never heard of anyone putting a vintage agitator in a DD KM/WP washer before.
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Post# 41312-7/2/2004-21:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Youngstown Kitchen on Ebay
MESSAGE: Looks like a 1970's Kenmore Roto-Rack. Too bad it's been gutted. Or is that the original DW the seller is talking about??
--Austin
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Post# 41313-7/2/2004-22:30 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Youngstown Kitchen on Ebay
MESSAGE: Yeah, that sucks, but for the dedicated restorer... ;-)
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Post# 41314-7/2/2004-22:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: WCI-59 Moves In
MESSAGE: I moved the 1959 Frigidaire Custom Imperial down to the laundry room last night after many long hours of rebuilding, cleaning and testing in the garage. It runs like a dream and I was finally able to do a "real" washload in it for the first time. This is such a cool washer, I love the pauses in the cycle and slight differences in operation and sounds from other Frigidaire washers. I posted some pictures of the innaugural load including a couple that surprisingly show the differences in spin-speeds. The first picture linked here is of some new shelves I put up for some of my vintage detergent collection - we've just been busy, busy around here!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=31@Detergent%20Collection@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 41315-7/2/2004-22:55 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool timer shaft extension
MESSAGE: Hi COLDSPOT66,
I would like to purchase both the timer and the extension part.I have a 1956 Whirlpool with a "missing link" Plus I suspect the timer has problems also. It was rebuilt before I got the machine,but I doubt the quality of the job that was done.
Thank you,
Rickr
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Post# 41316-7/2/2004-23:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In
MESSAGE: Wow your basement looks even better with the detergent shelves! Strangely resembles the detergent aisle at a grocery store...
Another thing: I absolutely LOVE the WCI-59! Is there anything Unimatic-like about this washer (i.e. spin sounds, tub rotation before agitaton, etc.)?
--Austin
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Post# 41317-7/3/2004-04:19 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In
MESSAGE: Greg,
You have done a great job on this machine! It's a very pretty one. It deserves that you find the matching dryer for it (notice my background!)
Louis
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Post# 41318-7/3/2004-04:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable)
MESSAGE: So I'm curious, what's so wrong with this portable that it's being "trophy-ized" rather than repaired?
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Post# 41319-7/3/2004-05:51 ||| wringingwet (Walterboro South Carolina)
SUBJECT: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: Wish I had some spare change looks to be a beauty
Happy washing
Philippe
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=12515&item=6106120380&rd=1
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Post# 41320-7/3/2004-06:47 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: It's great but not at that starting bid price!!!!
Now if the owner combined the matching dryer with the washer with on opening bid of $400.00 then he would get close to what he's asking for both units! But with a high reserve for the washer and the same for the dryer, he will never get a bid out of me!!!!!
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Post# 41321-7/3/2004-06:59 ||| mrb627 (Atlanta GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Interesting Category)
MESSAGE: And it is quite an interesting category on ebay to list this washer "Furniture/Living Room"
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Post# 41322-7/3/2004-07:25 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In
MESSAGE: Congrats! That machine is beautiful! Loved the pictures!
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Post# 41323-7/3/2004-07:59 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957directdrive agitators)
MESSAGE: No, it's not possible because the DD drive shaft is very short while the BD is long. I wished that it was so, so we can see the dramatic action of the Penta-Vane and the Super-Roto-Swirl. I know that Sears had made a 5 vane agitator for the DD and I'm still looking for it......
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Post# 41324-7/3/2004-08:07 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957directdrive agitators)
MESSAGE: I have seen that agitator on a late 80's KM.It was a Dual Action with 5 vanes on the skirt,...never seen a KM with a DA adj with 5 vanes before...I had always thought they were the 4 vane type.
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Post# 41325-7/3/2004-09:32 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable)
MESSAGE: The problem with it is the timer went a few loads after I bought the thing, and I am making room for my 1-18 washer that my dad is supposed to help me fix. The timer (on my 1-18) seems to have a problem, the pump sometimes won't come on and we suspect that the contact is dirty. Any thoughts?
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Post# 41326-7/3/2004-10:07 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957directdrive agitators)
MESSAGE: Yes, you are right the BD was always with 4 vanes DA, but the DD had the 5 vanes DA and thats the one I'm gonna find soon in this lifetime. It was on their 24" models in the late 80's and I guess some owners felt that agitator was to agressive on their clothes and they pulled it from that series after a year on the market.
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Post# 41327-7/3/2004-11:27 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: Well, it sure is a beauty and most of us are salivating over it, but I agree - that opening bid with reserve is just too high. It will be interesting to see what happens here - I suspect I already know, but time will tell.........
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Post# 41328-7/3/2004-12:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: I want this machine.
I will pay that price.
'nuff said.
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Post# 41329-7/3/2004-12:52 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In
MESSAGE: Wow Greg it looks just wonderful, ahhh another completed restoration congrats.
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Post# 41330-7/3/2004-12:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable)
MESSAGE: If I were Jamie I'd at least take it in to get repaired. Also just to let everyone know I expect to get a few loads done in the Kenmore Jr. by the end of the day! Stay tuned!
--Austin
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Post# 41331-7/3/2004-12:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: Hmmm, very interesting, this seller obviously has been to Applianceville, I wonder who this is???? Notice the matching dryer next to it!
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Post# 41332-7/3/2004-12:56 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: Wow, for that price I'd DEFINITELY buy that instead of some Maytag Neptune or Calypso set!
Go for it Glenn!
--Austin
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Post# 41333-7/3/2004-13:11 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: The way my luck goes on this kind of thing, it's unlikely to happen. :-(
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Post# 41334-7/3/2004-13:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: GE Portable POD
MESSAGE: Does anyone know the year these models were made? 1970 comes to mind, becuase of the colors and different insignia on the front (somewhat hard to read). Mine is obviously a much later machine, since it's (boring) white, has 3 cycles instead of 1, 3 water level, & 4 temperature selections. This particular model was probably designed more for sink use, where the later models could be used more easily with a washer hookup.
It looks like the Portables were still made by Hitachi back then, judging by the lid. The only sure-fire way to see this is to glance at the plug, next to the prongs. Barely noticeable, but there, is "Hitachi".
After doing a handful of clothes & sheet loads, these clean and spin quite well for their size, and hold a larger load than a side-impeller machine would (about 7-8 lbs).
--Austin
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Post# 41335-7/3/2004-13:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: I'd wait it out, because I guarantee you nobody will bid what he's offering. The seller will probably lower the reserve as well as the starting price, which will give everyone a better chance at winning.
--Austin
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Post# 41336-7/3/2004-13:46 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint
MESSAGE: For that kind of coin,the seller had better deliver it,set it up,and offer a lifetime warranty!8^)
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Post# 41337-7/3/2004-13:47 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MESSAGE: It needs cleaning and a little "tweaking."-The Seller Other than that it looks to be in fine shape!
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3685633512&rd=1
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Post# 41338-7/3/2004-13:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This could be my first REAL RESTORATION!)
MESSAGE: It's in Galveston! YAY! This puppy's going home to me!!
--Austin
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Post# 41339-7/3/2004-14:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This could be my first REAL RESTORATION!)
MESSAGE: The outer cabinet has that "old refrigerator" look to it which doesn't really look that great, so a full powdercoat is a MUST. Also, does anyone know if this is a bolt-down or a soft-mount machine?
--Austin
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Post# 41340-7/3/2004-14:22 ||| zzzzz (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Unfortunately, I've seen more than a few unrealistically overpriced eBay auctions relisted at the same inflated opening price again and again, the seller probably holding out hope there is someone with more money than brains willing to justify his unrealistic expectations.
The problem I see is if the person offering those machines fits that mold and unsuccessfuly lists those machines three times in a row for the same stratospheric price, will he decide to scrap the machines rather than offer them for a more realistic price, say less than a grand for the pair if they are genuinely functional classics?
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Post# 41341-7/3/2004-14:24 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This could be my first REAL RESTORATION!)
MESSAGE: This is a bolt-down.
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Post# 41342-7/3/2004-15:57 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In (Great job!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Your machine looks great! It looks like the day it was made in '59.
You basement looks like so much fun! Love the shelves that you put up with all the detergent.
You have been busy!
The room behind your Westy twins, is that another room to your basement that does not have machines in it? Looked like there was a window in that room. I remember you moved them to another spot when your Duet's came home.
Thanks for the pictures!
You have been working hard!
Brent
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Post# 41343-7/3/2004-15:58 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Tweaking?)
MESSAGE: I find it hard to believe that this machine was working.
Poor baby Bendix.
Brent
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Post# 41344-7/3/2004-16:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Tweaking?)
MESSAGE: I think the wear is more cosmetic than mechanical. A new paint job is a MUST to restore this beauty!
--Austin
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Post# 41345-7/3/2004-16:11 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool timer shaft extension
MESSAGE: Hey Rick,
Just met up with gregm today (7/3) and gave him the timer extension. He will probably let you know he has it. The timer I have is only a 1 cycle timer. I beleive the Imperial had the "modern fabric" cycle as well. If you still want it let me know here or email me. Greg showed me his collection today & ran a load through the unimatic. Impressive machine & very quiet (unlike the 1-18).
John
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Post# 41346-7/3/2004-16:50 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint...
MESSAGE: My dog died today (of old age). She was almost 14. I've been beside myself all day, so I'm in the perfect frame of mind to bid on it, not that I will because 900.00 is way over priced. The Bendix is a better bet. Whoever listed the Philco must frequent Applianceville often, though
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Post# 41347-7/3/2004-16:58 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint...
MESSAGE: I'm pretty sure the seller is Jimmy (Filterflo), considering he's a Philco collector and that it's in Ohio.
--Austin
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Post# 41348-7/3/2004-17:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint...
MESSAGE: And here's further proof: Jimmy's '66 Philco set, unrestored in the back of his van. This could very well be the one on eBay...
--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/24b0&.dnm=2bb0.jpg
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Post# 41349-7/3/2004-17:27 ||| FilterFlo (Coventry Twp, Ohio)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint... (Not the Philco Seller)
MESSAGE: Wrong on both accounts guys, Im NOT the owner or seller of the Philcos. Its a bad thing to make suppositions like this........
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Post# 41350-7/3/2004-18:01 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint... (Ass-u-me)
MESSAGE: Reminds me of the old routine:
When you assume.......
Ken
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Post# 41351-7/3/2004-18:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint... (Not the Philco Seller)
MESSAGE: Whoever owns the Philcos either did a WONDERFUL top-flight restoration, or has taken really good care of them. I do see more machines next to them, so it's probably a collector.
Sorry Jimmy! :)
--Austin
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Post# 41352-7/3/2004-19:30 ||| pekedogs (Victorville, California)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This could be my first REAL RESTORATION!)
MESSAGE: Hi, Austin --
I have been lurking around in this group for a while to get a handle on the personalities. I am glad that you will get this machine. I would give my left nut for it but I am in California and it would be difficult to pick it up. Also I live in an apartment and have very little room. I have been lusting after a Bendix for I don't know how long. I do hope you get this machine. I remember my aunt's Bendix; looked just like this one.
Hope you will post pictures as you go through the restoration.
Pat Duffy
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Post# 41353-7/3/2004-21:43 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Kenmore Jr. is Seaworthy---First REAL load
MESSAGE: Today I picked up some 2-part plumber's epoxy at Home Depot, and sealed up the drain after measuring the opening (no hose would work). The epoxy, while somewhat nauseating, is the easiest to work with, and I was able to form a good, even seal in less than a minute. After letting it harden for 2 hours, I grabbed all the dark clothes I could find and tried 'er out. I'm nothing less than impressed with the washing action, and the turnover isn't that bad for a straight-vane. The pictures speak for themselves. Ahhhh seeing an agitator is so wonderful again!
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=10@Kenmore%20Jr.--Ready%20to%20Wash@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 41354-7/3/2004-22:06 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint... (Not the Philco Seller)
MESSAGE: Jimmy, I didn't think these were yours. And it was proven when I saw the pic of your set in the back of your van, nowhere near the same model. And as nearsighted as I am .....
Altho I have been known to spot old washers and bears at 50 mph LOL. Selectavision for sure.
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Post# 41355-7/3/2004-22:35 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint... (Not the Philco Seller - Good to see you Jimmy!)
MESSAGE: Hey Jimmy,
It was good to read your post.
Have not seen your post in awhile. Figured that you have been traveling and finding goodies!
Happy 4th!
Brent
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Post# 41356-7/3/2004-22:35 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint... (Not the Philco Seller Hee Hee Hee)
MESSAGE: Bob you are so funny!
Brent
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Post# 41357-7/3/2004-23:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: eBay Philco Update
MESSAGE: Apparently whoever the seller is checked Applianceville, noticed we were complaining about the high price, and lowered it to $450. The reserve is still there, and I have no idea what it is, but at least the starting bid has come down. YAY!
Anyone who wants it (and is close to Ohio) should bid away! I consider seeing a Philco TL Automatic on eBay a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!
--Austin
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Post# 41358-7/3/2004-23:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This could be my first REAL RESTORATION!)
MESSAGE: Well, I placed a small bid on the Baby Bendix considering it was in recent use and the door boot looks good (most important part). If someone wants it more than I do please let me know by email before outbidding me.
--Austin
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Post# 41359-7/3/2004-23:39 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Philco Update
MESSAGE: She sent several more pics to me, the pulsator appears to not be in the best of condition.
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Post# 41360-7/3/2004-23:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Philco Update
MESSAGE: Glenn,
Could you upload these to Robert's Photo Viewer or are they too big?
--Austin
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Post# 41361-7/3/2004-23:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Philco Update
MESSAGE: Which could eventually lead to bearing damage and the transmission seizing up if I'm not mistaken.
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Post# 41362-7/4/2004-00:28 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Philco Update
MESSAGE: No, the rubber on the pulsator itself being bad wouldn't harm the mechanism, it's the rubber parts under the pulsator that protect the mechanism from the water...
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Post# 41363-7/4/2004-00:31 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In
MESSAGE: Nothing Unimatic-like about the operation sounds in this washer - that's why it's so interesting to use. The washing/rinsing performance is the same of course (same tub and pulsator) but everything else is different.
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Post# 41364-7/4/2004-00:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In (Thanks !)
MESSAGE: There is a 12'x20' rec-room beyond the Westy set, they are now gracing the guest bedroom, and holding up the Mixmasters! I keep threatening to plumb and wire that rec-room for appliances (and I could easily fill it!) but haven't followed through - yet!
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Post# 41365-7/4/2004-04:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint...
MESSAGE: Further proof of what?? Besides, I recall that would be one of Jimmy's dream combinations - so why would he sell? For that matter, if any of us had that combo, why would we sell? Most of us would love that set and would never part with it....
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Post# 41366-7/4/2004-04:46 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint...
MESSAGE: Further proof of what?? Besides, I recall that would be one of Jimmy's dream combinations - so why would he sell? For that matter, if any of us had that combo, why would we sell? Most of us would love that set and would never part with it....
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Post# 41367-7/4/2004-04:50 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: eBay Philco Update
MESSAGE: Then I think the $450. starting price is still to high. Let's remember that shipping must also factor in unless you live a driveable distance..
Nice to fantasize though - - all that and the original "use and care" manuals also!!
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Post# 41368-7/4/2004-05:59 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Philco Bendix
MESSAGE: Hi,
a reporter is interested in writing an article about the
www.waschmaschinen-forum.de and while giving her an interview we were talking about the history of automatic washers beginning with the Bendix of 1938.
She wanted to know whether the brand name 'Bendix' and the company still exist and I really do not know it exactly...
Could you give me some information about Bendix?
That would be really great.
Thanks in advance
Kai
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Post# 41369-7/4/2004-06:15 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Bendix (This will stop you in your tracks.)
MESSAGE: They still make brake pads and auto parts, don't they?
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Post# 41370-7/4/2004-07:42 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (1-18 pump)
MESSAGE: Hi Jamie
Does the 1-18 have a electric pump or a belt driven/direct driven pump?
It would only be a timer problem if it is an electric pump, but I don't think 1-18's have an electric pump?
(experts please??)
If it is a belt driven pump, trouble is likely to be a loose or worn out belt, or a faulty pump.
If it is direct driven, it would be a faulty pump.
If it is driven by a roller, maybe the roller is slipping.
Sorry I can't give definite advice but 1-18's were never sold here. But I seem to recall from other people's posts that 1-18's don't have an electric pump.
best Wishes
Chris
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Post# 41371-7/4/2004-08:27 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Bendix
MESSAGE: Bendix Corporation was started in my hometown,South Bend,Indiana,I think in the 1920's.They started out as Bendix Corporation. Vincent Bendix was the founder.
They started out making auto parts,such as carbs,brakes,starter drives,etc.Then they started making parts for planes,and changed the name to Bendix Aviation.At one time,they even made motorhomes!
They made appliances in a plant on Sample St,here in town. That plant is still here,housing South Bend Lathe(another once mighty marquee),and South Bend Chocolate,and a few other businesses.
Bendix Corporation tried a hostile takeover of another company,Martin Marietta,in the early 80's.After a big fight,both companies were taken over by Allied Corporation,formerly Allied Chemical.Allied merged with Honeywell in the 90's.
The main plant here in South Bend still produces aircraft brake parts.Bendix automotive brakes,along with Fram filters,etc,are still being produced by Allied/Signal,I believe.
My grandfather,and father in law both worked there,and retired from Bendix.They didn't work in the appliance side,though....
kennyGF
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Post# 41372-7/4/2004-08:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (1966 Philco washer and dryer)
MESSAGE: I see they are trying to sell them separately, and they want a lot of money for them! I don't think they're going to sell at that opening bid. Seller didn't specify if dryer was gas or electric, I e-mailed that question to them.
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Post# 41373-7/4/2004-08:29 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (1-18 pump)
MESSAGE: If it's a Frigidaire 1-18 we're talking about,the pump was driven from the main shaft in the transmission. No timer contact is involved.
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Post# 41374-7/4/2004-08:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: Parting out for want of a mere timer? Maybe somebody would want it whole and they could then replace the timer.
1-18's have electric pumps? The way to check that then is to put a volt meter onthe leads to the pump and see if it's getting voltage everytiime it should. If there's voltage sometimes, but not always, then I would suspect the timer. If there's ALWAYS voltage when there should be, then pump motor is suspect.
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Post# 41375-7/4/2004-08:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco on ebay-looks to be mint... (66 Philco)
MESSAGE: The ones in the van may be '66, but they're obviously different models (looks like lower) than the ones on E-Bay
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Post# 41376-7/4/2004-09:39 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: I know, I really hate to see this thing go, considering BD Portables are already becoming hard-to-find.
--Austin
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Post# 41377-7/4/2004-09:46 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Bendix
MESSAGE: Bendix Aviation also made quite a few radios.
Ken D.
LINK: http://archives.radioattic.com/archive_b.htm#bendix
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Post# 41378-7/4/2004-10:23 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Interesting Category)
MESSAGE: He must be a true appliance lover at that starting price and keeping it in his living room! He he!
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Post# 41379-7/4/2004-10:27 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (yucky)
MESSAGE: I going to try the Sun det out today. It smelled pretty good in the bottle and at $1.94 for 32 loads if I don`t like it I can always use it to wash the truck. Ha ha!
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Post# 41380-7/4/2004-10:32 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: SOMEONE SAVE THIS BENDIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (This could be my first REAL RESTORATION!)
MESSAGE: Good luck Austin! This could be many hours of fun!
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Post# 41381-7/4/2004-10:37 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: WCI-59 Moves In
MESSAGE: As a christning you should do the first load with a vintage box of Tide! Another beautiful restoration Greg!
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Post# 41382-7/4/2004-10:47 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Bendix
MESSAGE: Kenny, so Bendix sold its appliance operation to Philco, but continued in business with these other things? I had assumed they'd gone out of business after a period of being "Philco-Bendix", but I never realized that Bendix was such a diverse company; I thought it was primarily appliances.
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Post# 41383-7/4/2004-10:50 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Jr. is Seaworthy---First REAL load
MESSAGE: It looks like it does a really good job, and from the photos pretty good turnover. Oh by the way very good photos. What kind of camera do you use?( and does it ever get wet?Haha!)
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Post# 41384-7/4/2004-11:31 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Jr. is Seaworthy---First REAL load
MESSAGE: I use a Sony CyberShot DSC-P30 (1.3 MP), but I set it on 1024 X 768 resolution so the photos took up less server space.
--Austin
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Post# 41385-7/4/2004-11:32 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Jr. is Seaworthy---First REAL load
MESSAGE: Sometimes water splashes up on the lens but it never really gets wet :)
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Post# 41386-7/4/2004-11:54 ||| Pulsator (Ann Arbor, Michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: Okay, I cannot keep it for more reasons than just the timer, reason #2-It makes our clothes smell like smoke because the person who owned it before I did smoked, reason#3 It is not a very good performer, we need a good performer considering I have a 4 year-old brother who spills everything, reason #4 the main reason is that my mother hates it, she does not like having a machine that is so aweful taking up the space that could be taken up by a machine that performs well with a large capacity. So, if anyone wants it claim it now before I tear it apart.
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Post# 41387-7/4/2004-12:08 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: Happy JULY 4TH.
MESSAGE: Happy 4TH OF JULY to APPLIANCEVILLE. I was gone, only a week so many new members.. so many posts. Robert and Gansky and all who share all your pictures Thankyou.. I missed Applianceville while I was on vacation. Quick shout out to JasonL. and T Coxx. I hope everyone has a NICE, SAFE, 4th. Thanks. alr2903
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Post# 41388-7/4/2004-13:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: Sometimes the "smoke" smell will never go away, no matter how many times you use a machine. I had to wash/spin close to 15 loads in the Maytag TT with a large amount of detergent before the smoke FINALLY went away...
Maybe you should consider a DD Portable as a replacement, but make sure it has the DD Surgilator, not the Dual-Action. These were made by Whirlpool, Kenmore, & GE (Spacemaker) through the 90's until the smaller, more compact portable came out, and have the same cabinet/body style as your LK. Not quite as entertaining as a BD, but they sure do clean well!
--Austin
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Post# 41389-7/4/2004-15:01 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Greetings! You've just met someone with more money than brains. How many times have ANY of us seen a set like this ANYWHERE much less ebay? We might see the washer or dryer individually but I've never seen the set in anyone's collection. Who could pass this up at any price??? Mark
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Post# 41390-7/4/2004-17:39 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Bendix
MESSAGE: Yes,their main business was automotive brakes,and such,and aircraft parts,such as landing gear,but they also made I beams for Ford trucks,radios,as mentioned earlier,TV's(my wife's family had one),appliances, missiles for the Department of Defense,aircraft electronics,and probably a lot more things I don't know of.
They owned a large automotive proving grounds,formerly owned by Studebaker,west of South Bend.That's still there,now owned by Bosch,which bought the brake operations here in South Bend.
kennyGF
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Post# 41391-7/4/2004-17:42 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Mark, I pretty much guessed you'd write this post soon.
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Post# 41392-7/4/2004-19:02 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: "SUN" det (Sun for washing truck)
MESSAGE: Hope you don't have a good paint job on the truck, laundry detergent is bad for automotive paint.
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Post# 41393-7/4/2004-19:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: Yeah, since they weren't that common to begin with because they were so expensive. They cost as much or MORE than a BOL full size automatic so they didn't sell a lot of them. The only people who bought them were people who HAD to buy them due to circumstances. Most people who were in situations where portable machines could be used just put up with going to the building laundry room or taking their clothes to a laundromat rather than spending the big bucks on a portable. And they would also need the matching dryer to make it practical, and they dry at a rate slower than molasses in the wintertime.
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Post# 41394-7/4/2004-19:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: Agreed, a portable is not a good "family" machine, is that what you initially bought it for? I have one of those, (though not an LK) and it seemed to clean just as well as a full-sized machine, providing, of course, that one didn't overload it.
Seems like a good hot washing with bleach and baking soda, followed before or after with ammonia, would get out the smoke smell.
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Post# 41395-7/4/2004-20:57 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: when I lived in the townhouse in VA-If I needed a replacement machine-the "compact" size was the only choice.the space in the house would not accomidate a full size machine.Appliance stores in that area carried them-and they were MORE expensive than full size washers.I didn't have to get a new one-but looked a machines and prices on them.At the time-mid-late 90's Maytag and Kenmore,WP had these machines. when I moved to NC -nobody carries the smaller machines.The small dryer I had worked fine-like a full size model-it ran off 220V-did the one you used-that dried as slow as molasses-run off 120V?My dislike of the machines is that they could only hold about half the load a full size machine could handle.Twice the time to do your wash.
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Post# 41396-7/4/2004-21:41 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Compact dryers
MESSAGE: Yes, all the portable dryers I've seen run off 120 volts, EXCEPT for my Wards portable which could be switched to run on 220 Volts, But then, of course, it would no longer "portable" since nobody has 30 amp dryer outlets all over their house.
Since these were really mean for only 1-2 people, the trick was not to let your dirty laundry pile up and do laundry more often, since it takes twice as long becuase of the small capacity of the washer and long drying times of the 120 volt dryer setup.
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Post# 41397-7/4/2004-22:30 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Jr. is Seaworthy---First REAL load
MESSAGE: Thats a very nice washer-Is it a tabletop model-from the one of the pictures-looked like it was sitting on something.The only small KN machine I saw was the agitator was on the "lid" of the machine that also had the motor in it.Saw it at the dump where I leave my trash.The dump operator showed it to me-was in his car.He owns a "swap shop " in a town quite a ways from here.Looks like yours is a bit larger.Is the motor and mechanism in the base?
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Post# 41398-7/4/2004-22:40 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: Although it sure is handy when you have to do numerous large loads! When my sister came home from camp both the GE Portable and the DD Kenmore were going at the same time, and we dried two loads at once. Boy did that come in handy!
I tend to fire up all the washers on weekends, which I consider "sheet day."
--Austin
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Post# 41399-7/4/2004-22:42 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: YAY!
MESSAGE: At least we know now that the Bendix is going home to someone who won't use it as a yard ornament, which people tend to do with old washers...
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3685633512&rd=1
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Post# 41400-7/4/2004-22:45 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: POD (1957directdrive agitators)
MESSAGE: I would bet in the situation with WP-KN machines the "lovejoy" style motor to transmission couple would break.These are designed to act as a "mechanical fuse" if the mechanism is overloaded-such as the Old style agitator-(if you could go thru the work to adapt it)or too much clothes.
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Post# 41401-7/4/2004-22:50 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: Sadly-that "yard ornement" eventually gets fed to the "krusher" in the trash truck.One time-while bored-looked up "trash trucks" and found an ad for a Leech truck compactor body-one of the scenes they show it crushing a washer.When I dealt with trash trucks very breifly-most operators didn't want to try that-if the truck compactor mechanism is jammed-its a serious matter to get it fixed.Has to be taken to a service depot.That means the truck is off its route-losing money!!
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Post# 41402-7/4/2004-22:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: How many sheets do you use?Do you do laundry for a motel?
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Post# 41403-7/4/2004-22:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Compact dryers
MESSAGE: I remember when my brother lived in a trailer while he was going to college-I would visit him on weekends-sometimes doing my laundry at his house.He had a small dryer that ran off 120V.He also had a Frigidaire washer that was in the trailer bathroom.It had a brown colored cabinet and looks sort of like the animated one on this sites homepage. I replaced the timer in it one day.When that machine ran in agitate or spin mode-it shook that trailer!!Did a good job though.He used to have to dry his clothes in the trailer park mangers luandramat.To save time-I used the dryer in the laundra mat.The manager didn't like his dryer or washer.
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Post# 41404-7/4/2004-22:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: You'd be surprised at the amount of bedding for 4 people, plus the amount of clothes! In order to get done fast I have to use more than one machine at once!
--Austin
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Post# 41405-7/4/2004-23:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Whirlpool Spanner Nut Tool (LK portable timer)
MESSAGE: Oh-I see-yes that would be a lot of sheets to do-Almost like the motel!I only have one set to do on washdays and mix them with the other things in the white load-and does fine.If you have a large amount like you-then you would have to do them separately..When we were kids-my mother used to have a "sheet day"
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Post# 41406-7/5/2004-00:08 ||| mielekai (Hamburg/Germany)
SUBJECT: Bendix
MESSAGE: Thank you all for the information about Bendix.
It's really fantastic that so many people have answered.
I really enjoy being a part of this community.
Kai
PS: For those who are interested in dishwashers:
We are just talking about a 2-doors-dishwasher made by the Italian company Candy in the European forum.
LINK: http://www.waschmaschinen-forum.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Englisch;action=display;num=1088936020
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Post# 41407-7/5/2004-00:54 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Bendix
MESSAGE: Looks like avery nice machine-sorta-kinda reminds me of the "dishdrawer" machines built by Fisher-Paykel.Wonder when they might start importing those into the US-could be a good competitor to the FP machine.
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Post# 41408-7/5/2004-01:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: dishwashers
MESSAGE: Did Norge and Bendix, Philco, or Philco-Bendix ever make dishwashers?
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Post# 41409-7/5/2004-01:34 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Yeah, and I imagine that means I don't have a chance at it . . .
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Post# 41410-7/5/2004-02:10 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: . . . yup, still four days to go, the game has barely started, and obviously there's no use to try playing.
It was a nice dream for a couple days.
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Post# 41411-7/5/2004-05:01 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: No surprises here - I called this one from the very beginning. But I hoped I would be wrong - because this is exactly the kind of thing that continues to fuel the unrealistic expectations of sellers. I guess it just escalates from here....
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Post# 41412-7/5/2004-05:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: I can't believe somebody is willing to pay that much for those machines! I certainly thought it would never get this far.
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Post# 41413-7/5/2004-08:44 ||| pekedogs (Victorville, California)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: Congratulations, Austin. Glad to see you won the Bendix.
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Post# 41414-7/5/2004-08:44 ||| frontaloadotmy (grass valley ca)
SUBJECT: contemporary agitator fix
MESSAGE: does any one know how to separate the two pieces (the corkscrew type) of the newer agitators; the bolt holding the
agitator on a friends new(used) low end G E is rattling around
inside. Need home repair solution! Thanks
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Post# 41415-7/5/2004-09:20 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: contemporary agitator fix
MESSAGE: This advice should probably go to the sandbox, but those new GE corkscrew agitators do not come apart. You have to buy a whole new agitator if the corkscrew is bad. If the coupling is bad ( what the agitator attaches to ) you can run a strap or other flexible material under the agitator and give a few quick tugs to take out the agitator. The coupling(plastic end bell) is attached to the tranny shaft with one bolt. That may be what is rattling around!
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Post# 41416-7/5/2004-10:18 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: But look how pretty...
Glenn sent me the photos from the seller, I'm posting them for everyone to appreciate - this is a truly beautiful, rare machine to see.
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=33@Ebay%20Philco@GANSKY1.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/GANSKY1/
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Post# 41417-7/5/2004-10:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (there are more out there)
MESSAGE: Here's a Philco Custom Imperial we saw two years ago...needs a bit more work but the price is right!
Sorry, I just couldn't resist ;-)
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/b3af&.dnm=3887.jpg&.src=ph
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Post# 41418-7/5/2004-10:48 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Now Boys! I saw these machines when they were first posted, but someone beat me in letting you all know, and posted the link. As you know, when I find something good, I ALWAYS post it so that everyone in the club is aware of a great find and has a chance to bid on it if they choose to. I waited for several days and no one bid. I'm here to tell you that once a seller has a price in mind for something, they're not going to change their mind. They might lower the starting bid, but they will keep the reserve price the same so they will get their price anyway. I was afraid that no one was going to bid on them, and the seller would not relist them. Then, no telling where they would have ended up. We can't expect sellers to be uninformed in this day and age. They know what they have and they also know they CAN get their price. It's just unrealistic to think they wouldn't. When something (yes even washers) becomes collectable, they become MORE expensive to collect. Remember, something is only as valuable as what a buyer is willing to pay. The rarer the item, the more that everyone wants it. This seller's reserve price was $900. I would have hated for someone to have bid the $900 and NOT bid on the matching dryer because of the reserve price on the washer. My thinking is that these beauties should remain a set. It would just be a shame to break them up. Mark
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Post# 41419-7/5/2004-11:18 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: No question about it, incredibly handsome and well maintained. They were obviously used judging by the condition of the rubber disc, but then how could the rest of the machine look so great and the disc be that shredded?
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Post# 41420-7/5/2004-13:03 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: So who is the current high bidder on the set, and is he an Applianceville member?
--Austin
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Post# 41421-7/5/2004-13:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Oops...I think I just answered my own question.
You absolutely have to have money to be an "eBay Appliance Collector", although even Eddy's Unimatic didn't go this high...
--Austin
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Post# 41422-7/5/2004-13:13 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Collectors create a market for these machines and therefore machines are saved and not sent to the crusher. Why is this bad? It's like the lumber industry. There is demand for lumber which creates more trees because the Lumber companies need to maintain the forests for their trade. No demand no new forest growth. A case in point is Roberts Apex dishwasher. If there was no demand I would have sent it to the crusher immediately. I am happy to have made a little money and Robert has something he loves.I know we would all like to get these from people who are not aware of what they have but if someone doesn't come along at the right time to save them they go to the crusher anyway
Greg
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Post# 41423-7/5/2004-13:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Apartment Size Washer/Spinner (Twinnie) on eBay
MESSAGE: I can't really tell what it is, but it looks like a Canadian Hoovermatic. Fairly recent model too. I'll request more pics and post them later.
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71256&item=3825829874&rd=1
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Post# 41424-7/5/2004-13:55 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...Thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: Greg,
Thanks for the picture.
I emailed them, and they never answered me about pictures, or questions I had. They may be getting swamped with emails.
Those machines are beautiful!
Is there chunks missing out of the washing disk? I know that the washing disk in these machines were different than the model that Robert has. It just looks like chunks are broken off. I wonder if anyone has any of the disk that you could buy?
Also, has anyone ever seen the combo with the lighted control like these? Do we know anyone that has that model? Was that the last year of the Combo's?
Brent
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Post# 41425-7/5/2004-14:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Kenmore Jr. is Seaworthy---First REAL load
MESSAGE: Very nice pictures Austin, thanks for posting them, I love that little agitator! I'm glad the two part epoxy solved your leaking problem.
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Post# 41426-7/5/2004-14:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: So I'm assuming you are the winner of the auction Austin, congrats, you will have to keep us posted on your restoration progress, this is a wonderful little machine! And so very vintage.
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Post# 41427-7/5/2004-14:37 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (This is not a used washing machine.)
MESSAGE: Oh wow, its just beautiful, looks like the winner is going to have to search for the rubber agitator disk, maybe even have one made if another one can be found for a mold. Besides a few of these machines on the farm that were destroyed by being outside for 20 years, I have never ever seen one of these machines, its so very rare. Remember guys you are not looking at a used washing machine.
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Post# 41428-7/5/2004-14:41 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...Thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: Yes John over in St. Paul has the matching Duomatic combo to these mid 60's machines, he did a beautiful restoration job from the farm.
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Post# 41429-7/5/2004-14:51 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: LB6, D-6 WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMAT SET in Indianapolis
MESSAGE: There is a set that has been found in Indianapolis. It must be saved by July 25, contact Kevin White at:
kwhite546@neo.rr.com.
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Post# 41430-7/5/2004-14:54 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: dishwashers
MESSAGE: I think D&M made DW's for both Norge and Philco but I am not 100% certain. My folks had a Philco-FORD DW that was a D&M made machine purchased in '68.
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Post# 41431-7/5/2004-14:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: After having to look at it for a whole year, finally its in the trash where it belongs!
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Frigidaire-Fridge
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Post# 41432-7/5/2004-14:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Is it just me, or does your GE range have a built-in radio?
--Austin
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Post# 41433-7/5/2004-15:02 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: LB6, D-6 WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMAT SET in Indianapolis
MESSAGE: How is the condition of the set?
--Austin
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Post# 41434-7/5/2004-15:04 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: I think its just you :)
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Post# 41435-7/5/2004-15:05 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: LB6, D-6 WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMAT SET in Indianapolis
MESSAGE: You'll have to ask the seller, he does have pictures of the machines, but they are on his 'puter at work.
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Post# 41436-7/5/2004-15:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: The main part of the restoration will be painting the cabinet (and letting my powdercoater know to keep the front logo)! Other than that it will definitely need a new water valve and hoses, and some mechanical "tweaking", as it didn't come on when the seller plugged it in (or maybe he just didn't turn the timer!).
For fun, I will probably want to adjust the water level so it will go 1/4 of the way up the window for true entertainment!!
--Austin
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Post# 41437-7/5/2004-15:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: There was a pink GE kitchen on eBay that included a radio in the range, however...
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Post# 41438-7/5/2004-15:09 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: love, love, love that fridge
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Post# 41439-7/5/2004-15:25 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Congratulations! That looks much nicer. Do we get a picture of the inside too? And where is that pink dishwasher?
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Post# 41440-7/5/2004-15:48 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: The seller told me that she had no idea of the value or rarity of the machines. She was just wanting to sell them for enough money to buy a nice new washer/dryer set.
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Post# 41441-7/5/2004-15:56 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: I am the current high bidder. I use "mortition" on ebay. (The correct spelling had already been taken.) My stage names are as follows:
mortition = ebay
lightedcontrols = Classic Appliances
Mark Harman = My real name (It used to be Mark Harman-Buseman but I dropped the "Buseman" as it just confused everyone....What does Hillary Rodham-Clinton do about this???)
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Post# 41442-7/5/2004-15:59 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (YaY!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
That looks great!
What is the story about your new Fridge? It is wonderful! What year is it? I knew that you said you had an itch to get a vintage fridge. You took care of that itch didn't you?
Tell us the story about it. I love it! If you get a chance, take some pics of the inside?
Beautiful!
Brent
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Post# 41443-7/5/2004-15:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Good luck, there's really not much of a chance for you to get outbid! :)
--Austin
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Post# 41444-7/5/2004-16:00 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (John are you out there?)
MESSAGE: Robert thanks for the answer!
Is there pictures of this machine? I would love to see it.
I think that the Philco Bendix combos of this vintage are beautiful. I love yours with the yellow door!
Brent
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Post# 41445-7/5/2004-16:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (John are you out there?)
MESSAGE: Personally the Duomatics from 1956 on up (without the steering wheel door handle) are my favorite combos. I LOVE John's restored '56 Duo--wish I had one!
--Austin
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Post# 41446-7/5/2004-16:40 ||| Lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin!
That's what I thought when I bid on that pink set of Maytags last year, and boy was I wrong! A lady got them that was doing a retro home in Sarasota Florida. It's not just us in the club bidding on these beauties! Mark
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Post# 41447-7/5/2004-17:39 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Did you really "trash" the S/S 'fridge? Or did you find it a good home? Any appliance that works deserves better than that.
kennyGF
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Post# 41448-7/5/2004-17:50 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Just because Robert's fridge didn't fit in with his retro kitchen doesn't mean he doesn't like modern appliances ;-)
Why do you think he has the Asko & GE Harmony set?
(JUST KIDDING!!) *Ducks and runs*
--Austin
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Post# 41449-7/5/2004-17:53 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: VERY cool Robert!
Where did you find that? It looks great.Is it a repaint? I love the chrome and the black accents! A REAL classic.It does look great with the yellow stove too!
Congrats,
Rick
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Post# 41450-7/5/2004-17:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: By the way, that's a BEAUTIFUL "new" fridge! Love the turquoise!!
--Austin
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Post# 41451-7/5/2004-17:56 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: That is my kind of kitchen! Love the Frigidaire bottom-freezer!
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Post# 41452-7/5/2004-19:39 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: That rubber disc is subjected to tremendous wear and tear, just like the pulsators on the Frigidaire washers. I've seen them split, worn away and curled from years of water, detergent and plunging up and down under a full load of clothes and water for many years. Hotpoint washers from the mid-fifties with the rubber fins on the agitator were also worn away like this. On the 56 I found (now in Robert's collection) the fins started out as nice fine points and by the time I found the machine at a sale, they were worn completely away, nearly flush with the plastic base of the agitator.
A buyer for the Philco might be able to find the part NOS from somewhere to buy a piece of rubber of similar weight and density and cut their own.
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Post# 41453-7/5/2004-19:46 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: There. There. Good hate? Bad hate? Okay. Good hate. Fantastic! Thanks for pictures. (sort of...) Don't distrub this groove. Fantastic!
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Post# 41454-7/5/2004-19:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: What kind of 21st century fridge is the "Great White Monster"? The link isn't working on my computer.
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Post# 41455-7/5/2004-19:55 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Another rubber part subjected to mild wear is the door boot on FL machines (I'll have to check the condition of the one on my Bendix).
--Austin
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Post# 41456-7/5/2004-20:15 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: YAY!
MESSAGE: Yay Austin, I was hoping you would get it!
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Post# 41457-7/5/2004-20:26 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Hey Robert,The new frige really looks great!What brand and vintage is your range hood, That is something thats getting hard to find in my aera.I noticed your Zenith entertainment center in some pics that Greg978 posted a couple days ago. Neat set,I have a 1950 RCA but my crt was bad and I put a new Tv in the old cabinet.I also noticed Your vintage furniture and lamps in the photo.I would love to see more sometime If you could post some or e-mail me som pics. hanks Don
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Post# 41458-7/5/2004-20:30 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Mark, I totally agree the set should NEVER be disturbed and separated. You have been blessed with extraordinary means. I hope those that want these units will have a chance to bid. And if you really want them, bid also. If you don't, I would hope your blessings would be used to save this truely rare, beautiful machines. I do know Glenn has been willing to pay others who have found Philco Flappers for their extra units, but to no avail.
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Post# 41459-7/5/2004-20:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: dishwashers
MESSAGE: I think you're right, Greg, D&M made the early Crosley models as well. Crosley & Bendix were divisions of Avco, Inc. that was later sold to Philco. I have a brochure for late 60's Norge that has a D&M made dishwasher.
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Post# 41460-7/5/2004-20:49 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Beautiful - what year is it? This looks very similar to the top-freezer model I had in turquoise and got rid of later ;-(
Congrats, it's wonderful in the vintage lineup!
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Post# 41461-7/5/2004-20:54 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: A boot connects the outer cabinet opening with the tub opening in a suspended assembly which does move and flex with the movement of the tub. The bolt-down Bendix didn't have a boot, just a rubber seal around the door. Hopefully that's still in good shape, mine was on the 47 Standard I have and after cleaning, sealed perfectly. If you open this pic and download the full-size version, you'll see the door seal.
I think the water level should already be 1/4-1/3 up the glass window. Good luck with the machine, they are fun little washers!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/62a9&.dnm=ee60.jpg
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Post# 41462-7/5/2004-21:02 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...Thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: Well, Robert, help me to remember this is there in the twin cities next time I come visiting. I would love to see this and the rest of John's collection if he'll allow it.
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Post# 41463-7/5/2004-21:08 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: LB6, D-6 WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMAT SET in Indianapolis
MESSAGE: wonder how good a shape they are in. another life-size salt & pepper shaker set LOL. Drool.
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Post# 41464-7/5/2004-21:09 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: dishwashers
MESSAGE: Greg you're correct, I saw some late 1960s Norge dishwashers in an apartment complex in Austin. They werre D&Ms.
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Post# 41465-7/5/2004-21:10 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: LB6, D-6 WESTINGHOUSE LAUNDROMAT SET in Indianapolis
MESSAGE: Hi Bob,
I requested pics from the seller and when he sends them I will post for everyone to see.
--Austin
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Post# 41466-7/5/2004-21:11 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Whadya find Robert!!!??? Hate to tell ya, but it's 20th century monster.
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Post# 41467-7/5/2004-21:15 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Woo hoo! Outstanding. I can hear that soothing piston compressor on that fridge right now. I loved the "hum" of Frigidaire compressors in their fridges. Hmm, what about the Sunny Yellow dishwasher you have in the basement? I'd love a glass of Bosco or some lemonade please. Or even a bottle of 7-Up.
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Post# 41468-7/5/2004-21:19 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: I think the majority of the problems on mine are cosmetic, and it mainly just needs a good cleaning!! Judging by the pictures the tub, door, and door seal look good, as well as the top, which is still white. However the main cabinet and back panel have caught the "old refrigerator" look and will DEFINITELY need to be powdercoated.
As for the mechanicals, I think the reason it didn't run was that the seller didn't put water in it or turn the timer! At worst the problem could be a loose wire; it was still in use at the time of the estate sale. It will get a new water valve though.
--Austin
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Post# 41469-7/5/2004-21:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL FLAIR RANGE ON EBAY!!!
MESSAGE: High price, but in GREAT working condition! BEAUTIFUL range!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3686639306&rd=1
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Post# 41470-7/5/2004-21:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 1940's Kenmore Wringer...MINT
MESSAGE: Wonderful shape inside & out; looks brand new! This is a pre-Visimatic machine; 1940's maybe? Can't pass up this beauty!
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3686759307&rd=1
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Post# 41471-7/5/2004-21:48 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: 1940's Kenmore Wringer...MINT
MESSAGE: That's not fair Austin!
It so far away, but I'm willing to make a trip if it's within 13 hours!!! :-))
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Post# 41472-7/5/2004-22:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Hi Louis, I only let you peek inside, here you go (nobody else look)...
ps. what pink dishwasher?
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=04@Inside%20the%20Frigidaire%20Flowing-Cold%20Fridge.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/_Frigidaire-Fridge
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Post# 41473-7/5/2004-22:11 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster ('64 Frigidaire Flowing Cold)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, it was an eBay win. I didn't even know about it until one of our non-member lurkers sent me an email about the auction located right here in south Minneapolis. (Thanks again Greg, another Greg no less). It's a 1964 Frigidaire Deluxe model. Not my dream fridge by any means, but it certainly is better than the old monster that was there before. I'm sure sometime in the future I will find something even cooler and replace it too.
Since you asked you can look at the inside pictures too, help yourself to a coke even. :)
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Post# 41474-7/5/2004-22:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (John are you out there?)
MESSAGE: No picture that I know of, but I will ask John the next time I see him.
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Post# 41475-7/5/2004-22:13 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: All together now, POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!
Actually it's out in the Alley waiting for trash pickup tomorrow morning.
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Post# 41476-7/5/2004-22:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Well can't I see the interior too? ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 41477-7/5/2004-22:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Hi Rick, no the paint is all original, it was just well cared for, the best kind of vintage appliance.
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Post# 41478-7/5/2004-22:23 ||| appnut (Temple, TX)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster ('64 Frigidaire Flowing Cold)
MESSAGE: Robert, it's in great condition. Nothing like a bottom mount fridge. They're the best. And that real Frigidaire ice, nothing like it !!!
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Post# 41479-7/5/2004-22:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: There's really no other words to describe it rather than BEAUTIFUL!!! WOW!! It doesn't look like a '64 in your retro kitchen!
As the commercial goes, mind if I grab a Coke? ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 41480-7/5/2004-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Hi Don, the range hood is an early 60's Kenmore, although I wish it was a 40" model. I'll post more pictures of the house sometime soon, here is a picture of our new 1953 sofa. For you guys who watch HGTV our upstairs bathroom is going to be done over by tv crew from the show "Decorating Cents". They come in and redo a room in your house with a $500 budget, they wanted to do the kitchen, but I have way too many ideas that I want to do around the vintage appliances and I don't want to have to undo what they do. Should be filmed in September, were suppose to be filmed being all shocked and surprised when there done as they don't tell us what they are going to do. The designer is like us and not afraid to use bold color so it should be interesting to see what he comes up with. I'll let you guys know before it airs.
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Post# 41481-7/5/2004-22:29 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Thanks Greg, its a '64 Deluxe model.
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Post# 41482-7/5/2004-22:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: Go ahead, have an olive. :)
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Post# 41483-7/5/2004-22:59 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: My avid HGTV-watcher mom LOVES Decorating Cents (who wouldn't--great show if I might add)! Can't wait to see what happens (and you & Neal's shocked look :)...
Also, you seem to have a great house! Very retro look in the living room. I'd live there in a Magic Minute! Be sure to post more pics (including the outside!)
--Austin
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Post# 41484-7/5/2004-23:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster ('64 Frigidaire Flowing Cold)
MESSAGE: I think a restored GE Monitor Top fridge would look good in your kitchen!
--Austin
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Post# 41485-7/5/2004-23:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Just to think-I was looking up that SSI shredder-Krusher website again--even watched the film clip of the fridge being ground and shredded in the SSI machine.
The GE washer put out some time ago for "krusher bait"-is now in the woods by the trailer home it may have come from.The trees are growing around it- its near their clothesline!!Before krushing-they have to "vampire" the refrigerent out of it.Many years ago out at the shooters "sandpit" here-someone dumpted a GE fridge and it was floating in the pond-Me and my M1 Garand couldn't resist---sank it pretty well-softened it up for their bulldozer!!This was in the days before you had to vampire fridges.
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Post# 41486-7/6/2004-00:22 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster ('64 Frigidaire Flowing Cold)
MESSAGE: That's a wonderful fridge! Enjoy it! Beautiful turquoise, just like our 65 Custom Imperial. I don't know if you've ever had a bottom freezer before, but now that you have, you'll never have anything else again!
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Post# 41487-7/6/2004-00:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: 18 lb. Whirly
MESSAGE: Approx. what year were these made?
--Austin
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Post# 41488-7/6/2004-00:51 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: 18 lb. Whirly
MESSAGE: Austin, I would guess late 1960s. Similarly Sears, in its pre large capacity days, carried one extra large model like this. They were generally full featured, mid priced machines (3 cycles, and adjustable water levels and temps) but they didn't have a lot of extra bells and whistles like 2nd rinse options and that sort of thing. The Sears may have had a self cleaning lint filter, but I'm betting the Whirlpool had a recirculating one.
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Post# 41489-7/6/2004-00:53 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: 18 lb. Whirly
MESSAGE: Probably the "hairbrush" type, common on middle-end Whirlys.
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Post# 41490-7/6/2004-03:09 ||| rubberscrubber (tampa fl)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (i dream of jeanie )
MESSAGE: is jeanie in the bottle ?
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Post# 41491-7/6/2004-03:54 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: When was colour television invented and when did first broadcasts begin? My memory conflicts with a book I'm reading.
Peter
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Post# 41492-7/6/2004-03:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...Thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: I e-mailed to ask if the dryer was gas or electric, and never got an answer back, either
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Post# 41493-7/6/2004-04:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (bolt down Bendix)
MESSAGE: So Austin, how are you going to deal with the bolting down aspect of the Bendix?
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Post# 41494-7/6/2004-04:30 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: FRIGIDAIRE CUSTOM IMPERIAL FLAIR RANGE ON EBAY!!! (Flair range)
MESSAGE: God, how I love those ranges! Brings back such memories of my paternal Grandmother's kitchen
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Post# 41495-7/6/2004-04:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: It's broken? Seems like too new a fridge to be broken already. If so, you mean it conveniently quit just in time to be replaced? Wow, that's hard to believe
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Post# 41496-7/6/2004-04:38 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: HGTV
MESSAGE: So I'm wondering, how does "Decorating Cents" differ from "Design On A Dime"?
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Post# 41497-7/6/2004-04:41 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Apartment Size Washer/Spinner (Twinnie) on eBay (Hotpoint / GE Supermatic)
MESSAGE: Hi Austin
The model shown isnt a Hoovermatic but must be the Canadian version of our UK made Hotpoint Supermatic 1460 series...it features the Hotpoint Spiraclean Wash Action with round vitreous enamel bowl, filter flow and filter tray.
The spinner has a speed of 3100rpm the fastest of any twinny built and it has a linked timer/temp wash action, the later model also had an automatic spray circle rinse but I dont think this has .
This was made around the 1970`s and had dark green lids over here.
Look forward to seeing more pics etc...
Cheers
Mike
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Post# 41498-7/6/2004-04:42 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Monitor Top Fridge
MESSAGE: I must say, as cool (pardon the pun) a Monitor Top fridge would be, I must admit I'm spoiled and just couldn't deal with defrosting and the lack of freezer space. I HAVE to have Frost Free, or, at the least, I could deal with a 2 door with a manual defrost freezer.
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Post# 41499-7/6/2004-05:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: Hi WS
Don't forget colour TV was around for a LONG time before it came to Aus. We got TV (black and white) in 1956 and colour only in 1976. I think colour was already in USA before we even got black and white. (?)
At least we got PAL colour TV system, the USA paid the price of being first by having NTSC with its inferior colour reproduction.
Chris
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Post# 41500-7/6/2004-05:10 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: Hi WS
Don't forget colour TV was around for a LONG time before it came to Aus. We got TV (black and white) in 1956 and colour only in 1976. I think colour was already in USA before we even got black and white. (?)
At least we got PAL colour TV system, the USA paid the price of being first by having NTSC with its inferior colour reproduction.
Chris
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Post# 41501-7/6/2004-05:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos (NTSC vs. PAL)
MESSAGE: Wow, no color until 1976!? Amazing.
The joke around here is:
NTSC=Never Twice the Same Color
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Post# 41502-7/6/2004-05:30 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Kenwood Norge)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
OOOhhhh!!! Utterly Ruthless..dont stand in this mans way!!!!...LOL
Looks a kool looking replacement, I`ll settle for a glass of Half & Half (assuming its milk!!!)does the fridge work off two compressors or one...
Have just found an advert for a Kenwood Norge Fridge Freezer that looks nearly the same as the Frigidaire...apparently made by Norge and exported to UK and badged by Kenwood of the famous Chef Mixer and Dishmaster Dishwasher...(or perhaps the dishmaster was badged as well)
Glad to see your house is taking shape after the move, your rooms and washer museum look fab, and you are definatly not afraid of colour!!!!
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 41503-7/6/2004-05:55 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: Colour in Australia started in 1974. I believe pre 1956 the Australiangovernment considered going straight to colour transmission but decided against it as the capital cost (to broadcaster and consumer) was too great and it was a less tried and familiar technology.
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Post# 41504-7/6/2004-07:11 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: My parents bought an RCA Color TV around 1965-1966. Don't remember the exact year but it was around that time. I remember that many of the shows were still black and white, but it was a real treat when a color one did come on. That TV lasted and lasted.
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Post# 41505-7/6/2004-07:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster ('64 Frigidaire Flowing Cold)
MESSAGE: Thanks Scott, this is my first venture into bottom frezzer land, and I can tell I'm here to stay.
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Post# 41506-7/6/2004-07:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: The very first color broadcast was Jan 1st 1954 for the Rose Bowl Parade in Los Angeles, colors sets were also available in the first few months of 1954. They were as expensive then as our new Plasma television sets (in 1954 dollars).
LINK: http://www.novia.net/~ereitan/rose_parade.html
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Post# 41507-7/6/2004-07:48 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Not broken, just UGLY! Its just like replacing a sofa or living room chair because its gone out of style, just because you can still sit in it doesn't mean you want to :)
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Post# 41508-7/6/2004-07:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Kenwood Norge)
MESSAGE: Hi Mike, thank you. Nice to see you posting! The fridge has just one compressor for both the freezer and top fridge.
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Post# 41509-7/6/2004-08:25 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert
If it still works and is in good condition, wouldn't a charity come and collect it? One person's trash is another person's treasure.
Chris.
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Post# 41510-7/6/2004-08:33 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: How did miss this?? Incredible news, that will be so fun!! Filming is exhausting so take the following day off - you'll both need it!
Have fun, can't wait to see it!
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Post# 41511-7/6/2004-08:49 ||| gizmo (Great Ocean Road, Victoria, Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: Hi WS,
Sorry, now you mention it was 1974. Ah, yes, colour TV was another legacy of Gough's government...We got our CTV in 1976, a Philips K9. It lasted for many years.
We previously had a late 1950's Westinghouse console, it was Australian made but the tuner assembly was imported and didn't have positions for channel 0 and 5A. For years we couldn't watch channel 0, (there was no 5A in our area anyway so that wasn't a problem), but one day I noticed a flicker of it when turning the dial. We found that if you set it to channel 12(not used in Aus) then carefully balanced the knob halfway to the next click (marked with a dot, not a number)you got channel 0! (poorly though) WE had that set till about '72, when the curtain behind the set blew in and knocked over a vase of flowers on the set. The water ran inside and destroyed the set with a bang. My mother smacked my bottom because she insisted I must have been horsing around and knocked it over, she didn't believe me about the curtain being blown in. The injustice of being a kid! The TV wan't repairable so we went without a TV till 76. My best friend lived up the street and his mother, a widow, said that my Dad only got a colour TV because he couldn't stand a woman having something he didn't have. (she had recently got one herself - a Korting from Germany) How malicious is that? The real reason was that the Olympics were coming - suddenly my sports-mad Dad had to have a TV!
Probably as a result of "the injustice" I still can't stand ornaments, especially flowers, on top of the TV. Although I have now persuaded my mother not to put vases of flowers on the TV, she still puts a wooden carved kookaburra on top of the TV, every time I visit I move it to the side table and leave the TV top clear.
Chris.
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Post# 41512-7/6/2004-10:46 ||| Hbeathard (London)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (Unrealistic expectations...)
MESSAGE: Hello all I am the owner of the Philco Washer and Dryer on Ebay. I would like to thank everyone for their interest in my machines! I have enjoyed reading about my washer and dryer. Thank you!
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Post# 41513-7/6/2004-11:24 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Here in Minneapolis charities such as the Salvation Army, Goodwill etc. dont' take used appliances because if they do not work the charity is required to recycle them and it costs the charity to do so.
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Post# 41514-7/6/2004-12:10 ||| Harleyguy68 (Georgia, US)
SUBJECT: Westinghouse Bottled Water Dispenser
MESSAGE: I have an old Westinghouse Bottled Water Dispenser model number WB3C and I am trying to find some info on how old it is....it works great but I havent been able to find any info online....any help or suggestions would be appreciated. My email addy is DSellersL@ctvea.net.
Thank
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Post# 41515-7/6/2004-12:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (bolt down Bendix)
MESSAGE: I'm not destroying the garage floor, so in the meantime I'll start looking for a 6" thick concrete slab.
Also if we ever move the Bendix will be bolted in the laundry room for full-time use (after restoration).
--Austin
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Post# 41516-7/6/2004-12:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Westy Laundromat Set Photos
MESSAGE: I emailed Kevin yesterday and he sent me some photos of his Laundromat set. The condition is not as bad as I had imagined. In my opinion they both appear they would run with some minor repairs, but definitely need some restoration work to get rid of the minor surface rust in the drums (on both machines).
--Austin
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/cgi-bin/00ShowCollectionGETD.cgi?photoshow=19@Westinghouse%20Laundromat%20Set@WESTYTOPLOADER.jpg&dir=/COLLECTIONS/WESTYTOPLOADER
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Post# 41517-7/6/2004-12:57 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Apartment Size Washer/Spinner (Twinnie) on eBay (Hotpoint / GE Supermatic)
MESSAGE: Wow if that's the case then this machine's mine! The seller said the machine was a "Kenmore Roto-Swirl", which explains the "spiralator" washing action. I'm looking forward to pics to see if it has the Filter-Flo system as well--never seen it in a TT before.
--Austin
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Post# 41518-7/6/2004-13:03 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: (whispering) Thanks Robert for letting me peek inside. Really cool ;-) especially the interior lights!!!
What pink dishwasher? Ofcourse the one you will have to find now on one of those wonderful estate sales!!
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Post# 41519-7/6/2004-13:17 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster
MESSAGE: OH MY GAWD!!!! What a lovely interior. I'll have to send this picture to a friend of mine, she will LOVE it!
And how wonderful you are going to be in one of those decorating programme. They are a big hype overhere, especially the extreme ones. Before you know it your living room will look like a garden with pebbles on the floor or you will sleep in a pond. I hope you bathroom will still be a bathroom!
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Post# 41520-7/6/2004-13:43 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: Overhere in the Netherlands TV was introduced in 1951 and color TV was introduced in 1967. My parents married in 1955 and they almost immediately had TV. My parents lived in the northern part of the country where only later it was possible to recieve the first dutch TV channel. They had the second TV set (a Loewe) in our town and that attracted rather a lot of people walking by my parents' house. We got color in 1971, it was a Grundig and I remember that the first TV programme we saw was 'The Messenger of the Empress'.
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Post# 41521-7/6/2004-13:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris, as Greg (Fixerman) mentioned too, it is very difficult if not impossible to donate used appliances anymore in many parts of the USA. You can buy bottom of the line models at the Best Buy's and Sears for so cheap these days, very few people, want used machines anymore. I could have most likely sold it for some cash by putting an ad in the newspaper, but I didn't want to deal with the hassel involved with doing that right now.
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Post# 41522-7/6/2004-13:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (What a set!)
MESSAGE: Hello and welcome to Applianceville. That's a beautiful and extremely rare washer and dryer set you have. Out of sheer curiosity, did you find our web site before or after you had placed the eBay auction?
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Post# 41523-7/6/2004-13:59 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Laundromat Set Photos
MESSAGE: Austin I have to respectfully disagree with you. You should not make any statements on what the running condition is of any machine, sight unseen, until you have it in your workshop and give it a thorough going over.
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Post# 41524-7/6/2004-14:02 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Not water on the floor)
MESSAGE: Thanks Louis, but I think I'll pass on the pond on the floor in the living room. As us washer boyz know, water on the floor makes us very nervous. :)
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Post# 41525-7/6/2004-14:30 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Laundromat Set Photos
MESSAGE: What I said was just an opinion on the machines' condition. The owner doesn't know if they work or not, but appearance-wise they are in good shape.
--Austin
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Post# 41526-7/6/2004-15:42 ||| hbeathard (London)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (What a set!)
MESSAGE: Thank you. I found out about the website after I posted on ebay. An interest buyer turned me onto it. He thought I would enjoy reading all the buzz. I read the statements concerning my reserve price and I set it at $900 because I knew I had something special and I want to buy a new washer & dryer. I have more pictures please contact me via e-mail and I would be happy to forward them to those of you who wish to see them.
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Post# 41527-7/6/2004-15:44 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster ('64 Frigidaire Flowing Cold Fantastic!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks for the pictures of your Frigidaire open!
I love it! It is in such good shape!
Thanks for the coke!
Brent
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Post# 41528-7/6/2004-15:44 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Robert
You may be aware of this already but looking at the new old Frigidaire pictures I noticed that is has A static condenser on the back which means the refrigerator needs to disipate heat, The manufacturers usually recommend 3 inches of space on top for the proper disipation, however I have seen probelems on some Frigidaires that were too close to the back wall causing the compressor to overheat. You may want to find out if there is a recommended distance from the condenser to the back wall so you don't burn out the compressor on that beautiful refrig. Also I have seen problems with people puting things on top (I know you would never do such a thing but maybe helpful for others to know) such as cereal boxes etc. blocking the heat disipation.
By the way your kitchen looks great. Love to see your whole house and collection in person sometime.
Greg
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Post# 41529-7/6/2004-15:48 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Super Sofa!)
MESSAGE: Robert,
I just think your sofa is great! Is it original? Or a remake of that style from the 50's? It is in such great shape if it is original. I love this style. I find that the furniture from this period was so sleek looking. Also, the sofa's are so comfortable.
I can't wait to see you guys on "Decorating Cents".
Your home looks so nice!
Brent
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Post# 41530-7/6/2004-15:51 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Robert
by the way if your old frig is still there and it still works I will come get it if you like.
Greg
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Post# 41531-7/6/2004-15:51 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: FPD-14B should have 3" clearance from refrigerator cabinet to rear wall...
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Post# 41532-7/6/2004-15:53 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Laundromat Set Photos (Thanks Austin)
MESSAGE: Thanks for the photo's Austin.
That is a very neat set!
Wonder how many of these beauties are sitting in basements in this world?
Brent
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Post# 41533-7/6/2004-15:56 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (HGTV!)
MESSAGE: Love your sofa! Heck,I love your whole house! They should do an entire show on it! Great coolection of vintage furniture. I hope I get to see more. Thanks, Don
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Post# 41534-7/6/2004-16:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Laundromat Set Photos (Thanks Austin)
MESSAGE: Many basements are still left undiscovered...
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Post# 41535-7/6/2004-16:05 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Monitor Top Fridge (2 door manual defrost )
MESSAGE: Many monitor-top fridges use sulphor dioxide as a refrigerant, and that's not something you want in your house. Always check the tag when dragging home a pre WWII fridge to make sure it's freon.
In my opinion, a well designed classic 2 door manual defrost is the ultimate. It will use less energy, and has much less to go wrong. I say "well designed classic" because by the 70s the insulation got too thin and the freezers needed defrosting too often. I defrost my 1952 GE only twice a year, and I'm in humid New Jersey.
Ken D.
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Post# 41536-7/6/2004-16:07 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: Hi Steve,I still like black and white. Its our cable I cant stand!
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/COLLECTIONS/DRMITCH/10@1950%20RCA%20%20+%20Parents%20had%20this%20duck%20tv%20lamp%20longer%20than%20me!@DRMITCH.jpg
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Post# 41537-7/6/2004-16:08 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (What a set!)
MESSAGE: Did Philco ever use perforated tubs or were all of their machines solid-tubs (with the perforated liner) until their demise?
--Austin
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Post# 41538-7/6/2004-16:34 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: Westy Laundromat Set Photos (Thanks Austin)
MESSAGE: They look as if they should clean up nicely,I`ve found that light rust is usually not to bad to clean off and disguise.I found this pair in member links of austinado-Todd.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/austinado16/detail?.dir=/456b&.dnm=7f7e.jpg
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Post# 41539-7/6/2004-17:19 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Old Philco T/L
MESSAGE: I went to High school in Tallulah Falls, Georgia. It was a boarding school, and in our dorm was an old Philco (Looked to me like mid-fifties styling) top-loader. It had an aluminum agitator with a red bakelite cap. Agitator was a dead ringer for Speed Queen, as was the tub and cycles, etc. Come to think of it, I wonder if it was made for Philco by Speed Queen? It was still running strong when I was there in the mid-sixties!
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Post# 41540-7/6/2004-17:23 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: Thank You Card
MESSAGE: Would like to personally thank Ms. Heidi Beathard for saving those Philcos from the scrap yard! I know if someone from Applianceville gets them we will have a chance to see them sometime. Most of the Philcos I remember were not that "deluxe".
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Post# 41541-7/6/2004-18:04 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire literature
MESSAGE: In my travels this weekend,I picked up some Frigidaire refrigerator literature. Specifically,Use and Care instructions for a FDS 13T 2 refrigerator,a small booklet called "Food Keeping tips",from Frigidaire,and the original punch card warranty card,from the same 'fridge. Anyone have a use for these?
Let me know.
kennyGF
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Post# 41542-7/6/2004-18:11 ||| hbeathard (London)
SUBJECT: RE: Thank You Card
MESSAGE: Thank you.
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Post# 41543-7/6/2004-20:05 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Thank You Card
MESSAGE: As of now Mark (lightedcontrols) is the current high bidder. It's amazing that those Philcos are still kicking considering they used open bearings in the transmission!
--Austin
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Post# 41544-7/6/2004-20:20 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Check this out Looks to be Mint (solid tub)
MESSAGE: Philco had a perforated tub from about 60-61 on.
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Post# 41545-7/6/2004-20:35 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Philco T/L
MESSAGE: Philco washers of that vintage were Philco made, no relation to Speed Queen. Here is a picture of the stuff Jimmy, Peter and I brought back from the SD farm last year. You may have to download the picture from Yahoo to get a good look at it, but the last machine in the row is a 56 Philco agitator washer that I found in a junkyard in western Nebraska. Jimmy brought the matching dryer back from South Dakota and now has the set in his collection.
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/detail?.dir=/b3af&.dnm=4e53.jpg&.src=ph
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Post# 41546-7/6/2004-22:07 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (thanks Greg)
MESSAGE: Hi Greg, thanks for letting me know that, I didn't relalize it needs extra heat disipation space. There was about a 2 inch clearance to the wall so I pulled it out another inch just to be sure. It still doesn't stick out as far as the old modern Fridge.
Your more welcome to pick the mod fridge up, but I took the doors off and pitched the hardware.
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Post# 41547-7/6/2004-22:10 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Super Sofa!)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, we found it at an Estate Sale (imagine that), 99% of our house is furnished from the sales. Anyway it was a total wreck, so we had new cushions made, and had it recovered with vintage looking fabric.
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Post# 41548-7/6/2004-22:12 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos
MESSAGE: Very fun cabinet Don, your '50 RCA is a very similar model to my very first vintage television restoration, a '51 RCA.
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Post# 41549-7/6/2004-22:17 ||| Haltwash (toronto,ont,canada)
SUBJECT: memory lane
MESSAGE: Well fellas,
my mother just replaced both her inglis washer and dryer manufactured on 1971. Looking back I had wish she had bought the gsw easy washer and dryer. I thought that the spirolator agitator was the first of its kind with the high curved vanes. Any input gentlemen?
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Post# 41550-7/6/2004-22:19 ||| laundryboy (Scipio Center NY)
SUBJECT: Wringer Washers or I18's
MESSAGE: Hi Guys happy Washing, I am looking for a set of Frigidaire coppertone washer and dryer, and an easy twin tub washer, if anyone has any hints or leads it would be great,, Thanks for everyones help,
Laundryboy
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Post# 41551-7/6/2004-23:08 ||| wilkinsservice (Melbourne Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos (Unimatic knows all the answers....again!)
MESSAGE: Belated thanks for your info it was just what I needed to settle an arguement.
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Post# 41552-7/6/2004-23:34 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Looks pretty new, seems like someone whose old fridge had failed would pay at least $50 for it.
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Post# 41553-7/6/2004-23:46 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos (First color TV)
MESSAGE: My family got our first color TV in 1965 (a Curtis Mathes) and it was in a white French Provincial cabinet. It went into the bedroom, since the other TV was a LARGE Curtis Mathes TV/Radio/phonograph console. I remember seeing the brochure for that set, and some of their models claimed to be "color convertible". How that worked, I was too young to figure out. The next set we got was a little GE Portacolor set. I remember some people having color TV's before that, but they were considered to be a "Rich People" thing before the mid-Sixties. NBC, being owned by RCA of course was the first to become basically all color. CBS switched for the 1964 season and ABC (the poor sister of the networks) didn't switch until the 1966 season.
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Post# 41554-7/6/2004-23:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Black & White on Color sets
MESSAGE: Can one of you "techies" out there explain why B/W on a color set doesn't have the same "look" the same as B/W on a B/W set? I've heard that one should turn the color all the way down on a color set to "properly" watch a B/W program. Any truth to that?
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Post# 41555-7/7/2004-01:19 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets
MESSAGE: This is not an easy question to answer-but I'll try.
If its the case of vintage TV's-the early chroma circuits would not completely "cut off" properly if the broadcast station was sending a Monochrome(BW) program.The station was supposed to cut off the 3.58Mhz chroma pilot carrier during the BW program. It was even written in the FCC rules at the time.Sometimes the stations were lax in this-their engineer didn't cut off the chroma pilot carrier.You did that by the "color" control on the TV.If the croma circuits weren't disabled during the BW program-you would get the color tinting or fringing during the BW show.
Also could happen if the TV's purity or convergence adjustments were out.This would cause the color "fringing" around items in the picture(convergence)improper color-the picture doesn't "look" right-not truely monochrome.Then the purity adjust of the TV could be out.Another factor-may not be the set at all-but a station problem(identified by changing to another station)Thier camera could be out of register(like convergence and purity in your TV)Register adjustments of a 3 or 4 tube color camera are quite detailed-went thru it once-takes great pateince and attention to detail-and a PROPERLY calibrated monitor.
Alos in a combined analog TV transmitter(has two visual power amplifiers combined together to get the rated and licensed output power-if these are out of phase can make your TV picture look like it is out of convergence.Antenna faults at the station can do the same and the station gets a badly overheated transmitter.I have dealt with these as well.In the case of the station antenna-you send a rigger up there to adjust the antenna tuning stubs!! Not fun.Usually this happens on those COLD winter days.
On modern sets-the set builder adjusts the set at the factory to give the Brightest and most colorful picture-brightness controls turned up all the way and chroma turned up all the way.The bright picture gets the customer's attention.But takes a toll on the TV's Plasma tube or picture tubes.These can get their phospors burned.You can even hire a Image Foundation Certified tech to properly calibrate your new set to ISF specs.You do pay the price for it.He will adjust the croma circuitry and purity.In new sets-the converegence controls and pix tube screeen adjustments are gone.Need to get to the sets service menu to adjust them.
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Post# 41556-7/7/2004-01:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos (First color TV)
MESSAGE: In the case of NBC-they had all RCA station equipment-from cameras to transmitters.Have an RCA 1948 Braodcast products catalog.Found it in the trash of one of the stations I worked at.I used to own a GE PortaColor set these had usually good pix tubes and lasted a long time.My roommmate in college brought his from home.If you adjust them right the pix is beautiful.
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Post# 41557-7/7/2004-05:12 ||| westie2 (arkansas)
SUBJECT: RE: one for the TV afficianandos (B/W and color tv's)
MESSAGE: My families first was a Hoffman B/W in 1951 huge set and screen that my folks got from cousin that owned appliance store on the deal that if they sold 5 sets for him he would give it free. Had to have a 50 foot tower toreceive the only station around that was 150 miles away. In 1956 we got an RCA color set with new antena with rotor on the same deal at that time maybe one out of every 6 programs was color. Had neighbors come from all around to veiw them. I remember that that set had to be degauzed about every 6 months in order for the color to work correctly. That set lasted for years was moved to my folks bedroom in 1966 when they bought a new Zenith with instant on.
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Post# 41558-7/7/2004-06:48 ||| Gyrafoam (Atlanta, Ga.)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Philco T/L
MESSAGE: Thanks for the pix. I don't recognise any of these machines as similar to the Philco I remember. The one I used had a white dash with turquoise insets, two chrome pointers set close together in the middle of the dash. One pointed right or left to water temp. the other for the cycle. Spin cycles were lengthy spaces to give tub time to coast to a halt! Maybe it was older than I thought! It had a long overflow rinse and I used to love to watch it.
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Post# 41559-7/7/2004-09:47 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Wringer Washers or I18's
MESSAGE: Hi Laundryboy! There is a guy here in Roanoke, Va. (Robert) that has two of the Easy TwinTubs. Here is his phone number: 540-343-3324 leave a message and he'll get back to you. Mark
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Post# 41560-7/7/2004-09:55 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: OLD PHONOGRAPHS
MESSAGE: Greetings Everyone! I found a book that I thought you all might be interested in. It is the history of recorded music and phonographs. It's called THE FABULOUS VICTROLS "45" This book goes throught the origins of the 78, 45, LP etc. Lots of photos of people's collections and one of the best historical accounts of recorded music that I've ever seen. It can be ordered from: http://www.schifferbooks.com Hope ya'll enjoy! Mark
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Post# 41561-7/7/2004-12:11 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Philco T/L
MESSAGE: They're in Greg's picture, but they're way in the back, to the right. The dryer door is kind of an unusual shape, with a metal handle at the top left (no round door with window like the later Philco dryers).
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Post# 41562-7/7/2004-15:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Old Philco T/L
MESSAGE: Did the later perforated-tub Philcos spin-drain or neutral drain?
--Austin
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Post# 41563-7/7/2004-16:44 ||| PeterH770 (Atlanta, GA)
SUBJECT: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix?
MESSAGE: In Colorado...
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13596&item=3687359075&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
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Post# 41564-7/7/2004-16:50 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Philco dryer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: Well, it's confirmed, it's an electric dryer
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Post# 41565-7/7/2004-16:51 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: GE dishwahser POD
MESSAGE: Wow, didn't know they offered an undercounter drawer-type model!
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Post# 41566-7/7/2004-17:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (B/W on color sets)
MESSAGE: ACtually, it's not so much "fringing" or such that I noticed, but that B/W sets seem to have a "softer" B/W picture than a modern set.
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Post# 41567-7/7/2004-17:02 ||| hbeathard (London)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: I have a question, is there a special significance to my dryer being electric instead of gas? I received an e-mail asking about this issue. I am just wondering. I assume to know if potential buyers can use it in their home or were gas dryers older? Just wondering thanks.
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Post# 41568-7/7/2004-17:10 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets
MESSAGE: If turning the color down on a older color set improves the b/w picture, then the 'color killer' circut isn't working properly. Also, older color sets don't have black blacks, and have poorer contrast than b/w sets. Contrast is more important with a b/w picture. Newer color sets are much better at showing a b/w picture than older ones.
Ken D.
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Post# 41569-7/7/2004-17:15 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (gas/electric)
MESSAGE: A gas dryer is much cheaper to run, but some areas have no gas service.
An electric dryer will work anywhere, but may require a visit from an electrician to hook it up.
Ken D.
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Post# 41570-7/7/2004-17:31 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: I agree,looked like a nice 'fridge,at least $150.00 or so on my sales floor.
Around here,the local St Vincent de Paul society will take old appliances. They'll take a fridge,as long as it's complete,and doesn't have a line tap on it.I take them some of the older stuff I aquire. They make a few bucks,and it also makes a good tax break for me.
kennyGF
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Post# 41571-7/7/2004-17:38 ||| hbeathard (London)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (gas/electric)
MESSAGE: Thank you for the answer.
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Post# 41572-7/7/2004-17:43 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: Perhaps in London (England I presume) There would be no difference electricity wise. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I think in england they would plug into the same outlet the only difference being how the machine is heated. Here in the states It is significant because a gas dryer plugs into a 110V outlet and an electric dryer plugs into a special 220v outlet.
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Post# 41573-7/7/2004-18:10 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix?
MESSAGE: I notice this machine is the Standard model, not the Deluxe.
I looked at some old newspapers on microfilm and it seems that Bendix was quite popular here in Texas...
--Austin
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Post# 41574-7/7/2004-18:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: Hi Fixerman,
The Bendix stuff, is comming from London Ohio, from the ebay page, so the dryer would have US connections. I got confused about the London bit when the profile posted on here just says london.
In Australia, we have 2 types of domestic plug, a 10amp 240V and a 15amp 240V. The only difference is usually a heavier guage cable, and a bigger earthing pin. (Bottom Pin) See the link for pictures.
Our Plugs arent fused like in the UK, all overload protection is taken care of at the fuse box. In the UK each plug has a fuse built in, that is rated for the specific needs of the appliance.
As Chris (Gizmo) has stated before, 10amp plugs are rated up to 2400watts, and run kettles, toasters, washers (inc FL with Heater), dryers(What americans deem compact dryers), dishwashers, Tv's and almost anything pretty much.
One thing I have noticed from reading the posts, and the archives, is that there still seems to be a tendancy to have really hot, hot water in the tank, for the needs of the dishwasher. Since the late 80's or earlier in Australia, there has been a push to run dishwashers on a cold only connection. The dishwashers usually heat all the water required. Most washers/dishwashers are now temperature rated at inlet to 65deg Celcius 150deg F, and they warn that inlet temperatures above this can cause damage to the machine. Our dishwasher on the heavy cycle, heats the prewash, wash, 2 rinses and dry. On the normal cycle however it has a cold prewash, heated wash, heated 2 rinses and heated dry. Its connected to cold water and the cycle time is about 75 minutes. The reasoning is that over here its cheaper to heat the 20 or so litres of water required in the dishwasher in 4 goes, than it is to heat 20L in the hot water tank.
15amp plugs, are used for American style large dryers, eg Neptune, Maytag and Kleenmaid, Welders, compressors, Large window unit A/C
Stoves, ovens, Hot water, and A/C are usually hard wired, on 20 or 30 amp 240V circuits, or in the case of A/C 3Phase for huge units.
Really large items like Lathes, big welders, compressors, etc are connected to 3phase 480V ??amp outlets, but these are more for commercial use rarely would a domestic situation have a 3phase outlet.
I hope this helps some what. Sorry for the long post
Nathan
LINK: http://www.powerfirm.com.au/cf/product/default.cfm?action=display&typeID=42
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Post# 41575-7/7/2004-19:00 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: One PS to add and Chris can correct me on any point if I've made a boo boo.
The 15 and 20amp plugs are the same dimensions/size as each other, but the fuse/CB is rated at the higher amperage instead.
Nathan
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Post# 41576-7/7/2004-19:20 ||| hbeathard (London)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: London Ohio. I live in Madison County, Ohio. I hope that potential buyers didn't assume the same.
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Post# 41577-7/7/2004-19:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: In the US-devices that run off 480V 3Ph are usually hardwired into the 480V circuit.They do not have a plug or outlet.The amount of power these devices consume make plugs and outlets impractical-and dangerous.Beleive its against the NEC.Would have to get my NEC book out for sure.Also many of the broadcast transmitters I have dealt with run off 480V 3P.-50Kw med wave broadcast and some television transmitters.Also most 208V-and 230V 3 ph devices are hardwired as well.In the US the device is hardwired with a disconnect switch within sight of the device.I have only seen one 3ph device on a cord and plug-the table saw at my workplace-it runs off 3ph 208V.the circuit it's outlet is wired into is shared with 2 other tools-a sheet metal shear and a radial saw.These also run from 3 ph.If all these were running at once-both saws and the shear-would overload the circuit.These were added long after the building was built.It would follow code since the table saw is not wired into the circuit.Its plug serves as a disconnect.
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Post# 41578-7/7/2004-19:43 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (B/W on color sets)
MESSAGE: Yes-I have noticed the same thing.At present don't have any vintage TV's used to have -these were stored at a radio stations transmitter site-unfortunately it was broken into and the TV's were stolen.
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Post# 41579-7/7/2004-20:12 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
I've attached some links for what the different plugs look like
This is a 3 Phase Plug
This is a 3 Phase Socket
This is a 10amp Plug
This is a 10amp Socket
This is a 15amp Plug
This is a 15amp Socket
This is a 20amp Plug
This is a 20amp Socket
My research shows I did make a boo boo.
On a 10 amp plug, all pins are the same size.
On a 15 amp plug, the earth pin is bigger.
On a 20 amp plug, the 3 Pins are the same size as the earth pin on a 15 amp plug.
Nathan
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Post# 41580-7/7/2004-20:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Watermatic--1937
MESSAGE: I was looking at the 1937 CR washer test in the "Vintage Consumer Articles" section and came across an unusual machine. The Watermatic was one of the better machines tested, and instead of a wringer, it had a "rubber tub" powered by water pressure (as well as a water-powered siphon) to wring the clothes out. It also utilized an impeller, rather than an agitator, for the washing action. Does anyone have a picture or more information on this rare washer? I checked Oldewash and found nothing. Seems like an interesting machine.
--Austin
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Post# 41581-7/7/2004-20:29 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: hoe cool is that hope someone has the heart to save it am sure that one would be a job but it could and would live again but im sure it will never be as nice as the one greg has and for the price its worth a try
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Post# 41582-7/7/2004-20:31 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: Its a bold down Bendix isnt it?
That could explain the issue he raises with the spin cycle
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Post# 41583-7/7/2004-20:58 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: POD Homemaker + GE Mobile Maid
MESSAGE: The “happy homemaker” was in police custody that evening. Hysterically exclaiming. “The dog was barking, baby crying and telephone ringing ...” “I had to burn it down!!!"
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Post# 41584-7/7/2004-21:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: This is one of my favorite vintage tv download pages...
LINK: http://www.kingoftheroad.net/KARD_html/kard4.html
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Post# 41585-7/7/2004-21:59 ||| brien (Seattle)
SUBJECT: KitchenAid Hobart KD-11 Dishwasher
MESSAGE: I've just bought a home in Seattle equipped with a Hobart KitchenAid KD-11 dishwasher (I think dating to the mid-50s). It doesn't run, but looks very solid. Could anyone help me in any way to decide if it would be worth trying to fix it (or to have it fixed). I'd sure appreciate any feed-back.
Thanks
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Post# 41586-7/7/2004-22:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Actually, I initially thought he was joking when he said it was going to be trashed, I went back and looked at the picture again just to be sure I was seeing right. Seemed like such a waste, what with some poor people not having a refrigerator half as nice as that. I could see not wanting to go to al the trouble of putting an ad in the newspaper, but I probably would've at least put it out on the front with a sign "Works, $50" or even "Works, Free" just to see it do someone else good. Betcha it would've disappeared almost instantly.
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Post# 41587-7/7/2004-22:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: Reading the previous posts, if Uni says it's going to be trashed then chances are it will be trashed ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 41588-7/7/2004-22:38 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: Oh those were fun!!
I remember the peacock logos,and how we thought they looked SO cool back then! We got our first color set in 1965.A big Magnavox Astro Sonic Stereo Theatre. Round tube color set with phonograph,stereo fm and monural am . We were NOT allowed to touch it of course.The following year my parents got a table model Motorola color for the family room.It had a little red indicator light that was lit when color programming was on.(like you couldn't tell???)We were on first name terms with the Motorola service men after we got that,but it lasted until the late 1970's with countless repairs and $$$$.I think Motorola did better with communication products. The Magnavox theatre still works and is in storage at a friends house since 1997.If anyone would want it for the taking I am sure my friend would love to be rid of it.
Rick
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Post# 41589-7/7/2004-22:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: Beautiful presentations! I can't believe broadcasters actually put effort into their logos back then, considering how boring the CBS & NBC logos are now...
--Austin
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Post# 41590-7/7/2004-22:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: In US, electric hot water heaters, electric built-in cooktops and ovens are hardwired 220V 20-30 amps. Large electric dryers have special 30 amp outlets with flexible cords. Freestanding electric ranges are similar, but with 220V 50 amp cord and outlet ratings and configured so that they can't be confused with the 30 amp outlets
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Post# 41591-7/7/2004-22:45 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: Wringer Washers or I18's
MESSAGE: I have two sets of Coppertone 1-18's. E-mail me if you are interested.
svb14@hotmail.com
Subject: Washer
Steve1-18
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Post# 41592-7/7/2004-22:57 ||| steve1-18 (Grovetown, GA)
SUBJECT: RE: GE dishwahser POD
MESSAGE: I know someone in Atlanta that has that built-in dishwasher. I am going to replace it for him. It was turquoise and he had it repainted almond! I hope the original color will be restorable.
I will play with it, but it will need a home, eventually.
Again, svb14@hotmail.com
Subject: Dishwasher
Steve1-18
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Post# 41593-7/7/2004-23:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Homemaker + GE Mobile Maid (GE Mobile Maid)
MESSAGE: Don't laugh, I've had two Mobile Maids I know of have something go wrong with the timer where they literally caught fire. One I owned and one was a friend's. Had another friend's KM (GE built) where something fried the timer to the point it couldn't be replaced because the connector to the timer was melted and fused.
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Post# 41594-7/7/2004-23:09 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: What a coincidence, the person who owns that website is a friend of mine and a BIG car collector. His car collection is very nearly PERFECT, and he seems to luck into cars that are mint, VERY low miles, and usually the TOL line model with all options including A/C. and when he does restore a car, he RESTORES it! They're unbelieveable.
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Post# 41595-7/7/2004-23:10 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: It actually was, but Fixerman I believe rescued it or offered to.
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Post# 41596-7/7/2004-23:12 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Motorola)
MESSAGE: Ah, Motorola, "Works In A Drawer"
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Post# 41597-7/7/2004-23:25 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: I'd LOVE to find an Astro-Sonic today...love the cabinet design & round tube!
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Post# 41598-7/8/2004-00:02 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: GE dishwahser POD (drawer built-in)
MESSAGE: In 24" and 30" models!
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Post# 41599-7/8/2004-00:04 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: for $5 it would be worth the trouble for the parts...
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Post# 41600-7/8/2004-00:06 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Wringer Washers or I18's
MESSAGE: You found us - welcome!
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Post# 41601-7/8/2004-00:24 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: My mother used to have a Maganavox Astro-Sonic stereo console.It didn't have the television.I was amazed at the quality of that Hi-fi-set!!It was even bi-amped-Had tube circuirtry.The power amps had built in electronic crossovers and the hi Frequencies were fed to a tweeter power amp and the bass frequencies fed to the woofer power amp.The speakers were in SEALED enclosures.The performance of the unit was incredible. Would outperform many many Component systems!Wish it had a Magnetic cartridge TT.I did wire a CD player into it and the sound quality was supurb.Had to replace tubes in it a lot-but was worth it.My mother replaced it just only a few years ago.She bought it in the early 60's.
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Post# 41602-7/8/2004-00:29 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: I miss the network days as well.The logos today are especially annoying-they keep them in the lower right corner of the screen.I guess the net folks still don't realize that is bad for CRT and plasma screens-the logo could "burn into the phospors"Also know some folks that used to work in the networks as well.VERY high paying jobs with full benefits!But no more.
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Post# 41603-7/8/2004-00:32 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (POP, SISS, SNAP, KRUSH!)
MESSAGE: When I lived in Virginia-At the dump there-there was a place that was called "to good to waste"you would see appliances there.One time I saw a woman hugging a fridge while hubby got his truck to carry it home!!Was the only thing in that dept that day.
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Post# 41604-7/8/2004-01:23 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: Excellent website-brought back memories-esp tthe scenes of the Ampex VTR 1000 and 2000.Ran these at the local PBS station when I was in high school.Worked as a non-paid "engineering volunteer" The operation was carried out at the transmitter site.The programs came in on the micowave network,2" quad videotape-or 16MM film.Only got one or 2 shows on film.A tape to head "crash" on those quad VTR's was pretty spectacular-tape shreds everywhere!!
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Post# 41605-7/8/2004-01:44 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: The links are not working--I would have to assume the configration of the pins on the 20A connector are diffrent than that of the 15A so as to prevent you from connecting the 20A device to a 15A circuit.I have a Blendtec blender that runs off 20A 120V.Has the 20A NEMA plug.The plug on the circular saw is a NEMA L14-20. It has 4 pins-One long ground pin and 3 "hot" pins. They are twist lock.The connector is rated for 25A at 125V and 20A at 3Ph 208-220V. # phase plugs and outlets are rare in the US.
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Post# 41606-7/8/2004-06:06 ||| chestermikeuk (Chester, UK)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: I must admit my heart skipped a beat when I saw London on the applianceville e-mail address....
My chance to get a working set and what a number they would be. I would have sold the car and camped outside your door to get those Philco machines...
Cheers, Mike
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Post# 41607-7/8/2004-06:20 ||| Imperial70 (Mass)
SUBJECT: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State)
MESSAGE: Seeing that Advertisement reminds me how much I miss my Whirlpool. Probably the best suited machine to enter the solid state age. I had the step down from the Solid State, the Imperial 70. Bought at Ann & Hope (while they still sold appliances). I think it was one of the last belt drives because everyone on here tells me the time I bought it was when they started making direct drive (1986). Had that agitator.
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Post# 41608-7/8/2004-06:46 ||| hbeathard (London, OHIO)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: Sorry I have since updated my profile to state London Ohio.
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Post# 41609-7/8/2004-08:18 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (208 volts)
MESSAGE: So does anybody here still live in one of those areas that has 208 volts instead of 220-240? Or does that voltage even exist anywhere anymore?
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Post# 41610-7/8/2004-08:21 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Motorola)
MESSAGE: Those "works in the drawer" sets were pretty neat. Had lots of buttons a young curious child (me) could play with and get in trouble for.
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Post# 41611-7/8/2004-08:23 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color-Astro Sonic Stereo)
MESSAGE: I have my grandparents 1965 Magnavox Astro Sonic console at my home.I use it every morning as I get ready for work. It is the TOL model With two 15in. woofers and crossover with two treble (metal) horns. Magnavox products were built right here in Fort Wayne.People areound here usually knew SOMEONE that worked there,so they could buy at the employee store.Employee's got a 40% discount so you could get a LOT of "bang for your buck" back in the 1950's-1960's. With the high quality British made record changer,solid hardwood hand made cabinets,and high powered amps.the Astro Sonic Stereo's were impossible to beat around here.They are still plentiful around here as a result. I have a CD player hooked up to this one also. It's rattling the windows right now!! (: Rick
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Post# 41612-7/8/2004-08:23 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro-Sonic)
MESSAGE: I had a small Magnavox solid state console in my room at one time. It wasn't the Astro Sonic but it still sounded pretty good. I'd love to get my hands on one of the earlier ones with a TV built in.
I'll bet you could install a magnetic cartridge into the turntable and use a preamp to get it to play right.
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Post# 41613-7/8/2004-08:25 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Awesome Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: This is from a time frame where the Whirlpools looked better than the Kenmore washers.
Did it have a Super Surgilator or a Dual-Action Agitator?
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Post# 41614-7/8/2004-08:27 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Motorola)
MESSAGE: The Motorola table model we had was pre-works in a drawer. It was a 1966 model.I really don't know how we ended up with a Motorola.Perhaps Magnavox did not make a table model color set then?? At any rate it was NOT a good set.In fact it was a real bummer ):
Rick
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Post# 41615-7/8/2004-08:34 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (208 volts)
MESSAGE: The D.C. guys have said there are quite a few apartment buildings/condos around that have 208v service.
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Post# 41616-7/8/2004-08:38 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Awesome Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Super-Surgilator with wings - pictured in the lower right corner. What about that green color?? I've never seen that before - is it just lighter than avocado in the ad or a special color?
I had a similar Whirlpool washer, a 1980 vs. this 1978 ad. I have this panel for the '78 and the '80 if anyone is interested in making their machine into the POD.
Here is a pic of the one I had...
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/album?.dir=/5cf3&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gansky1/my_photos
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Post# 41617-7/8/2004-08:49 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Awesome Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: This must be the first year, notice the dryer still has mechanical buttons. My Dad and stepmom had a set like this, but it must have the next year or after because their dryer had a row of touchpads with lights above them. When one started the dryer, the lights would light in sequence left to right until a dryness level was selected. Then it would stop "chasing" and the light above the selected button would stay on.
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Post# 41618-7/8/2004-08:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens)
MESSAGE: Who knew reading the posts about me throwing away a modern appliance could be so much fun! Now I can't wait till I place my 2001 Kenmore Ultra-wash dishwasher in the trash-ola, I'll be sure to take lots of pictures.
stay tuned everyone, I've got my axe ready!
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Post# 41619-7/8/2004-08:54 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Turquoise Electronic Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: I think that's a special color, I believe its called turquoise :)
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Post# 41620-7/8/2004-09:44 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Awesome Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Awesome action pic. I just love how the whole tub would sway back and forth during the agitation. So hypnotic.
Belt drive WP/KM's are SO awesome!
Not to Uni: NOT boring! :-P
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Post# 41621-7/8/2004-10:45 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Destructo-Uni!
MESSAGE: Uni, Uni, Uni.... You do realize that in 30 years time the next generation of obsessives posting here will lament your wanton destruction of what they will undoubtedly consider cool, old appliances, right? Surely in 30 years time the notion that washers actually used to use WATER (What? No way!) to clean clothes will be considered quite novel. :)
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Post# 41622-7/8/2004-11:03 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Awesome Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: This is the first Whirlpool electronic pair. LFA-9800 series. A neighbor had that exact set, and I did get to play with it a few times. She always used timed drying, which irritated me. The washer was replaced with a non-electronic Whirlpool when the electronics went wonky.
The ad must have been Photoshopped, it was never available in turquoise.
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Post# 41623-7/8/2004-11:15 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State)
MESSAGE: "Can a washing machine be beautiful?" YES!!!!!!
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Post# 41624-7/8/2004-11:22 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: Remember the guys that posted the pictures that upset so many people last year or so of them taking target practice on appliances.
I just get a vision of you with a shot-gun in your alley shooting at the dishwasher and fridge.
Brent
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Post# 41625-7/8/2004-11:22 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: Remember the guys that posted the pictures that upset so many people last year or so of them taking target practice on appliances.
I just get a vision of you with a shot-gun in your alley shooting at the dishwasher and fridge.
Brent
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Post# 41626-7/8/2004-11:23 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Wonky WP electronics)
MESSAGE: I've been lucky, so far my '78 LKM Solid State has had everything fail EXCEPT the electronics (the the touch pad went bad when almost new) & the motor.
The toll so far:
3rd gearcase
2nd basket drive
5th pump
Triple Dispenser
Triple dispenser lid
3rd agitator
unbalance switch
wig wag (failed spin solenoid)
water valve
main drive pulley
3 water level control knobs
control touch pad (replaced while still under warranty)
Untold number of belts
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Post# 41627-7/8/2004-11:29 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Wonky WP electronics)
MESSAGE: Untold number of belts? Usually indicates overloading. Still not bad for a 25 Year old machine.
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Post# 41628-7/8/2004-11:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (untold number of belts)
MESSAGE: Actually, what would usually kill the belts is the failure of some other component. Pump seizure was the number one culprit. Motor pulley would literally burn the belt off. Main drive pully wobbled for quite a while (still can't figure out how it got bent) and put undue wear on the side of the belt. Basket drive pulley failure killed another one. Ironically, it was the REPLACEMENT basket drive that failed. The original drive still worked, but since I was already deep into the machine, and it was original, I figured I'd head off failure and put a new basket drive in. Well, so much for THAT idea....
I can't complain, it's dealt with a household that never consisted of less than 6 people, and as many as 9.
The matching gas dryer in the same period:
2 belts
gas valve solenoids
drum rollers
1 motor
idler pulley
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Post# 41629-7/8/2004-11:52 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: 1959 MINT !!!!
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/album?.dir=/d7e5&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/gregm978/my_photos
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Post# 41630-7/8/2004-12:05 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Wonky WP electronics)
MESSAGE: LOL, how can a dispenser lid "fail?" Crack or break in half or something?
My friend with the circa 1986 Whirlpool Imperial Seventy still has the original belt and pump and everything else -- no repairs far as I'm aware.
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Post# 41631-7/8/2004-12:06 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State)
MESSAGE: Washing machines were beautiful long before that ad.
*cough cough Kenmore 800
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Post# 41632-7/8/2004-12:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color-Astro Sonic Stereo)
MESSAGE: There was a TOL '65 Astro-Sonic on eBay ($700; included color TV) and the seller commented on how remarkable the sound was for its age.
--Austin
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Post# 41633-7/8/2004-12:07 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: Hey, that's pretty cool.
HA!
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Post# 41634-7/8/2004-12:09 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: Wonderful unit Greg! My partner's apartment has the original RCA Whirlpool air conditioner from 1965 and it's 10 times the air conditioner of any modern window unit I've experienced.
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Post# 41635-7/8/2004-12:12 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: All I can say is WOW!!!!!!!!!!! I still love seeing the name COLDSPOT (probably sourced from Whirlpool; model # begin with 106)? Now if you could find a SILVERTONE Stereo..............
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Post# 41636-7/8/2004-12:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: Throwing out an old but useful side-by-side is like throwing out a WP/KN BD machine. Not attractive by any means (except for the POD of course :) ), but they get the job done!
--Austin
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Post# 41637-7/8/2004-12:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens)
MESSAGE: What's going to replace the UltraWash? The Apex or James (provided you "adapt" the machine to fit in your kitchen)?
--Austin
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Post# 41638-7/8/2004-12:14 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (YaY!)
MESSAGE: Greg,
I love the looks of your 59' Coldspot. Would love to hear that compressor purr.
Where did you find it?
It is a Whirlpool built Coldspot?
Thanks for the pictures.
Brent
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Post# 41639-7/8/2004-12:14 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Destructo-Uni!
MESSAGE: Yes...washing clothes in 1" of water is like trying to take a bath in a shower stall--not very practical.
--Austin
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Post# 41640-7/8/2004-12:16 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay
MESSAGE: I saw how the numbers rolled and the bid history order when those other bids were placed. Why would anybody else even want to try after seeing that? Selling the car and mortgaging the house, indeed.
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Post# 41641-7/8/2004-12:17 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Wonky WP electronics)
MESSAGE: I gave the gal next door a Whirlpool electronic MArk XII washer about 7 years ago. Had to put a new board in it. ($100.00 my cost) but it was in good condtion at the time. She has 2 boys and though she doesn't do full loads, it runs 2 loads a day! So far no problems, although I did put a dual action agitator in it and took out the double duty surgilator. (Ducks & Runs)!
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Post# 41642-7/8/2004-12:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: Now THAT'S BEAUTIFUL! Probably the only vintage window unit left in existence (unless you count the LARGE 1970-ish Friedrich we have in our sunroom).
--Austin
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Post# 41643-7/8/2004-12:19 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Wonky WP electronics)
MESSAGE: Well at least the belt-drive Dual-Action is somewhat more entertaining than a DD...
*Ducks and runs*
--Austin
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Post# 41644-7/8/2004-12:24 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Wonky WP electronics)
MESSAGE: Well keep in mind Jaune's machine had to handle a LOT more loads per day...
I'm ready for the DD Kenmore to quit (at least cosmetically LOL) so I can pick up the 1985-ish Whirlpool Imperial Seventy at A-1 or the mid-70's Kenmore at Crosstimbers with the manual-clean recirculating filter and the Penta-Vane agitator.
--Austin
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Post# 41645-7/8/2004-12:58 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: Not to worry appliance fans. I picked up Uni's frig yesterday and found a set of hinges and crisper pan (someone took them while sitting in the alley) and it is now for sale in my store. Hope you all feel better now.
Greg
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Post# 41646-7/8/2004-13:09 ||| christfr (st louis mo)
SUBJECT: frigidaire agitator arm coupler
MESSAGE: can anyone help with this question i have a 65 frigidaire washer that the stud on the agitator arm has pulled out of the shaft the stud on the arm is stripped there used to be a coupler repair kit for that machine i got a part number from larry at modern its 7533049 does anyone have an idea where i can find this part either new or used thanks soooooooo much chris
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Post# 41647-7/8/2004-13:12 ||| frigilux (Minnesota)
SUBJECT: Fixerman's Store
MESSAGE: Fixerman--- I live in SW Minnesota and am in Minneapolis almost every weekend; where is your store located? Do you deal exclusively with used appliances or is it a 'mixed marriage' of new and used?
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Post# 41648-7/8/2004-13:21 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: Ohh I don’t think so Brent, guns are so loud and scary, and I’m way too much of a nancy-boy for that.
So I’ll have to come up with something else and wouldn’t you know it, my old friend Wil-E-Coyote called this morning. So I asked him what he would do and he suggested that I get the “Acme Modern Appliance Launcher”, complete with the patented HUGE rubber band. Then I’ll throw a pot-luck, Brent you bring potato salad, Greg you bring the cole-slaw, Jon can bring the wieners, Louis can bring something delicious for desert and someone can volunteer to bring the buns. The rest of Applianceville can bring any modern appliances they would like to dispose of. Then we can take turns launching the appliances into atmospheric continuum.
Best of all, with each modern appliance send-off, I'll get to use my evil-sinister mad scientist laugh with just like I did when I put out that modern fridge into the trash, Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
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Post# 41649-7/8/2004-13:23 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (And in July no-less)
MESSAGE: Wow Greg, that is just fabulous! Someday I would love to find a mid 50's Frigidaire Twin-Conditioner with two compressors. Does your new AC work, perfect time to find a vintage AC, in July!
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Post# 41650-7/8/2004-13:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE: Greg, you gave our little secret away, now I'll have to stop using my evil mad-scientists laugh.
But just wait and see what happens the next time Applianceville, MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
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Post# 41651-7/8/2004-13:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: I could bring the buns...and then we could have a "krushing party"...
--Austin
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Post# 41652-7/8/2004-13:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: Ooops! And my DD Kenmore...
--Austin
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Post# 41653-7/8/2004-13:36 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: Not the only one. A neighbor of mine has a 57 or 58 Westinghouse that still runs like a dream. Even though they installed central air in the house a few years ago they kept the Westy for their laundry room. It runs on a 230 volt line and that old piston compressor purrs like a kitten. My parents had a 62 RCA Whirlpool similar to this Coldspot. The outer casing and front panel were all robins egg blue.
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Post# 41654-7/8/2004-13:38 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (pot-luck)
MESSAGE: I got your buns for you. ;)
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Post# 41655-7/8/2004-13:43 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun (final side by side farewell))
MESSAGE: That's great. A Unimatic spin could not extract as much as has been extracted from this topic in recent days. I think that refrigerator has lived a whole 'nother lifetime vicariously through this thread! LOL ....and now the timer has snapped, power is cut...the pulsator is bobbing up and down....and.....ERK!....we're done!
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Post# 41656-7/8/2004-14:23 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: BD Kenmore Set
MESSAGE: $15. Although the same age, washer looks considerably better than the dryer. Both work great. Peachtree City, a suburb of Atlanta (Steve, Brent??).
--Austin
LINK: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71257&item=3826499785&rd=1
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Post# 41657-7/8/2004-14:24 ||| Wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: what year do you think this washer is?
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Post# 41658-7/8/2004-14:27 ||| Wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: do you think this washer is only good for parts? I don't know that much about these kinds of washers.
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Post# 41659-7/8/2004-14:38 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store
MESSAGE: It is at 2301 37th Ave NE in Columbia Heights. Store hours are Monday through friday 10am to 6pm and saturday noon to six. Phone 763-788-0778.Of course if you are in the neighborhood I can meet you there any time within reason. This goes for other members also. I also have a warehouse full of old appliances. When Uni came over to pick up the Apex he took pics of what he thought might be of interest to the club and posted them here. There are also many old Maytags and a variety or other appliances there. Also If anyone needs used parts I may be able to help with that.
I only sell used appliances at this time.
Greg
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Post# 41660-7/8/2004-14:46 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Living Color)
MESSAGE: Robert,
Thanks so much for this link!
It was wonderful.
Can't wait to get home and look at it again tonight in more detail!
What a great site!
Brent
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Post# 41661-7/8/2004-14:47 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Kenmore Set (Thanks Austin!)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that link.
These machines are a dime a dozen here in Atlanta.
They are usually in great shape also.
Brent
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Post# 41662-7/8/2004-14:47 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (Used Parts)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
Would you happen to have what is called an "air/heat relay" for a 1960 Kenmore electric dryer? The part # stamped on it is 231523 but I know there are other numbers that can be used as a service replacement. I can provide a pic or model # if need be. Needless to say, it is NLA through the normal channels. Thought you might have a used one sitting on a shelf.
Thanks,
John
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Post# 41663-7/8/2004-15:02 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE: Sorry.
I suppose you will never talk to me again now, huh?
By the way when are you going to post our other secret so I don't have to give that away.
Greg
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Post# 41664-7/8/2004-15:07 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (Used Parts)
MESSAGE: I remember you posting this some time back. I think the oldest dryer I have right now is about a 1962 Kenmore. I will check later to see if it has a relay on it.
Greg
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Post# 41665-7/8/2004-15:28 ||| spindry (New York, New York)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE:
Oh you mean the secret about Uni getting rid of the GE Harmony set?
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Post# 41666-7/8/2004-15:30 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (Used Parts)
MESSAGE: If it is just a relay I would imagine any relay with the proper values would work. I don't recall how this particular machine is wired but I would assume it would be one that is powered by 110 volts to operate the 220 volt heater circuit. If anyone else knows please enlighten us.
Greg
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Post# 41667-7/8/2004-15:33 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE: No. I saw them still there in his basement. Oh, maybe I gave away another secret, darn it.
Greg
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Post# 41668-7/8/2004-15:38 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE: I knew that secret, as well as the Asko secret, for a long time...;-)
--Austin
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Post# 41669-7/8/2004-15:53 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Motorola/Quasar)
MESSAGE: It was Quasar that had "works in a drawer", not Motorola.
Ken D.
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Post# 41670-7/8/2004-15:57 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Astro Sonic was the term Magnavox used for their solid-state (transistorized) radio/phonos. I have one of the last tube sets (1964?) which is therefore not astro sonic. I don't think the term refers to the TV.
Love those Collaro (Magnavox Micromatic) record-changers!
Ken D.
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Post# 41671-7/8/2004-16:04 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: It's funny you should mention Collaro record changers. I still have one, had never heard of the brand before I bought it (back in the 70's). I love the way it taps the edge of the record to determine what size it is!
John
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Post# 41672-7/8/2004-16:07 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (Used Parts)
MESSAGE: It is a 120v relay coil that controls the heater contacts, but it also has 2 more terminals at the bottom that come from the motor centrifical switch maybe?
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Post# 41673-7/8/2004-16:13 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (Used Parts)
MESSAGE: Is there a schematic pasted to the back?
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Post# 41674-7/8/2004-16:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Turquoise Electronic Whirlpool)
MESSAGE: Not in 1978 it wasn't!
SLAP!
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Post# 41675-7/8/2004-16:45 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: ...and arrested for discharging a weapon inside the city limits, then being christened "Newbie of the Day" in county jail!
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Post# 41676-7/8/2004-16:47 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: Excellent - love the knobs and labels!
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Post# 41677-7/8/2004-16:52 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: There are lots of vintage window units out there - just like washers & dryers,people collect a/c's too...
I've heard of several in the last month or so, did you see a picture of the water cooled Frigidaire console in the warehouse at the D.C. convention? Very cool unit - one of the very first residential models.
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Post# 41678-7/8/2004-16:57 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: This looks like a post-war model "S" made up to about 1948'ish...
It probably could be restored, where there's a will, there's a way!
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Post# 41679-7/8/2004-17:01 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (I might have it...)
MESSAGE: I had a WP dryer from 1960 that would possibly have had this part on it. Where is the relay located in the machine? I saved a ton of stuff from it - post a picture of the part or send it to me via email, I might have what you need.
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Post# 41680-7/8/2004-17:10 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Motorola/Quasar)
MESSAGE: Quasar was Motorola's TOL brand.
Look at this ad.
LINK: http://www.tvhistory.tv/1970-Motorola-Ad.JPG
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Post# 41681-7/8/2004-17:12 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: My friends have a 1970s GM Frigidaire window unit just blowin' away in the living room.
What's cooler than cool?
Ice Cold!
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Post# 41682-7/8/2004-17:13 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE: Auld Lang Syne to your 2001 Sears DW. Congrats. Such enthusiasm. Love evil sinister mad scientist laugh. Thanks.
Question. Is there a near by pantry or back porch for installation of the modern DW? Recall previous posting of yours commenting that it accommodated and performed a good job washing heavily soiled cookware. This way you will avoid the inevitable. Relying on your marvelous “DishMobile” (DW of that era) is a considerable commitment. All that time spent pre-rinsing and exasperatingly inescapable hand washing of EVERYTHING OTHER THAN (pre-rinsed) glasses, plates (no bowls or shallow soup plate) and silverware. Wow …
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Post# 41683-7/8/2004-17:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: This looks fun...
MESSAGE: Don't you just LOVE the Archives! Never know what you might find next! Here's a video Jason (jasonl) made of a WONDERFUL GM Frigidaire machine (not giving away the name) back in 2003. See for yourselves...I'd love to find one!
Right-click Save-As...
--Austin
LINK: http://members.cox.net/rotoswirl/videos/overflow.wmv
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Post# 41684-7/8/2004-17:47 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: What a find! It has got me to thinking. First memory of window a/c units in childhood home. Cooling capacity was depicted in “horsepower” compressor/motor. ½ horsepower unit, 1 hp and so on. Then came BTU capacity. I might be mistaken about this. Do you know?
Those old window clunkers design! “Buick.” Often wonder if the renowned industrial artist Raymond Lowey was involved.
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Post# 41685-7/8/2004-17:58 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (I might have it...)
MESSAGE: Hey Greg,
The relay is located on the center support behind the reduction pulley off to the left near the base. It is about 3 inches long. Top third of it is a cylindracle (sp) shape with 2 terminals for the 110v relay coil (enclosed). Bottom part is black triangular shape with 4 terminals (2 spade terminals go to the motor and 2 screw terminals that go to the heat circuit). It mounts with 2 screws onto the center beam.I must have broken the relay coil inside as there is no continuity between the 2 top terminals to close the relay contacts below; therefore no heat! Thanks in advance for you help!
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Post# 41686-7/8/2004-18:08 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (BTU vs HP vs KW)
MESSAGE: Hi Chris,
Do you still measure heating/cooling capacity in British Thermal Units in the US?
We did over here in the 70's and its still occaisionally used now, but most heat pump type appliances are rated in kilowatts KW.
I think it still based on the output energy of the pump though rather than the input energy. For the Spec below, it would be advertised as 7.1KW cooling and 7.4KW heating.
Here are the specifications for a Kelvinator Split system a/c and it provides all the info.
Nominal horsepower: 2.75
Cooling watts: 7150
Heating watts: 7400
Cooling power input (watts): 2816
So it takes 2.8KW to generate 7.1KW of cooling power, I guess that makes the compressor reasonably efficient
Nathan
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Post# 41687-7/8/2004-18:22 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: Look what I bought - thanks all for cmmnts
MESSAGE: Thanks everyone for all your comments and feedback :), this unit was rated as a "1 ton", which I guess equals out to 12,000BTU's ........... and it is a 110v .......... I am waiting for it to be shipped to me, so I should have it sometime latter next week. I have been told it runs perfectly and that is after sitting in a closet for over 40 years ......
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Post# 41688-7/8/2004-18:31 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (BTU vs HP vs KW)
MESSAGE: Yes-AC and heating equipment specs are still stated in BTU.
In the case of a heat pump-the machine is moving or transfering heat not creating it or genrating it.It is more efficient to move heat from one place to another than creating it.Thats the main factor that makes heat pumps more efficient than generating heat.Heat pumps do have a disadvantage-Can it extract heat from a very cold winter day?The design of the unit and the type of refrigerent it uses determines this.
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Post# 41689-7/8/2004-18:32 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: The link is working here,
however its for an AU manufacturer, so maybe its IP blocked to the US.
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Post# 41690-7/8/2004-18:32 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: Magnavox used Voice Of Music Record changers in the early 1950's,but switched to the higher quality Collaro made changers somewhere toward the late 1950's. The unique way they use the tone arm to index the record size is one of the things that prove the high quality.Also the "wow" and "flutter" readings were always posted on a sticker under the baseplate.Other than Garrard,no other manufacture posted those specs to my knowledge. Micromatic record changers ROCK!
Rick
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Post# 41691-7/8/2004-18:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire History
MESSAGE: Thought this was interesting. I typed "Agi-Tub" into Google and this page showed up. Notice how there were no new innovations in top-loaders after WCI & Electrolux purchased Frigidaire...
--Austin
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Post# 41692-7/8/2004-18:34 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire History
MESSAGE: D'oh! Let's try this again, with the LINK!
Thought this was interesting. I typed "Agi-Tub" into Google and this page showed up. Notice how there were no new innovations in top-loaders after WCI & Electrolux purchased Frigidaire...
--Austin
LINK: http://www.frigidaire-intl.com/history.asp
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Post# 41693-7/8/2004-18:36 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco dryer on E-Bay (240V Large Appliance Plugs)
MESSAGE: The link works; you just have to download & save the images.
--Austin
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Post# 41694-7/8/2004-18:36 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: horsepower of the compresser motor can be meanin gless in determining the capacity of the AC unit.For example-in a building I used to work in they had 6 650ton capacity water chillers for the building AC-these cooled two buildings-the one I was in and the other across the street. Each chiller had a 700Hp motor.That would be over 1Hp per ton of cooling capacity.The units were replaced with newer ones-The motors were less than half the HP of the old ones.-like 1/2 Hp per ton.The new units were twice as efficient!Hp per ton is used as an efficieny measurement of the unit.New units use less HP per ton capacity.-Thus less expensive to run.
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Post# 41695-7/8/2004-18:51 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (BTU vs HP vs KW)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac,
I think most Heat pumps in AU are rated down to -5deg Celcius, perhaps more. They make special versions for the really cold parts of the country. Most houses over here tend to use split systems rather than ducted or window units.
You have the compressor outside and then the heat exchanger/fan is inside the area you wish to cool/heat
I've attached a link for an Australian made Heat Pump hot water heater. It works in areas that have daily maximums of about 5 deg celcius or more.
LINK: http://www.centralsolar.com.au/quantum_compact_solar.htm
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Post# 41696-7/8/2004-18:55 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: The Manavox Hi-Fi my mother had used a Collaro MicroMatic turntable.Besides listening to the unit-I liked watching the TT cycle records.It also used the tone arm to determine record size.I never looked under the motorboard for its WF ratings.Next time I run into one-will check that out.Its too bad the TT didn't have a Magnetic cartridge.The TT also had a mute switch that cut off the output of the cartridge while it was cycling records.I thinks its tonearm would have handled the magnetic cartridge and even better sound quality!!The unit is no longer around.I asked my mother to save the unit for me.She traded it in toward another stereo system.I liked that old Magnavox better!Is Collaro still around-Miss 'em Same with Garrard.My first Hi-Fi system had a Garrard Lab-80 TT. Liked it a lot. Wished I still had it.Did Collaro make a stand alone TT for component stero systems? I can remember some older manual single play Garrard TT's in a radio station.Didn't work on them-was working on the stations transmitter.
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Post# 41697-7/8/2004-18:56 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire History (First Self Cleaning Lint Filter - 1952)
MESSAGE: Hi Guys,
What was the self cleaning filter? Do they mean an overflow rinse?
What sort of mechanism was in the solid tub frigidaires to catch the lint to stop it being pumped straight back into the basket?
Nathan
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Post# 41698-7/8/2004-19:12 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (BTU vs HP vs KW)
MESSAGE: I remember years ago going thru a model hose in the Wash DC area that used waste heat from the AC to heat water-and serve as an AC and a water heater.Howevere in the winter the home had a regular water heater.The heap pump Quantum unit sounds like a good idea and should be tried here.The area I live in it would probably work.That Quantum unit would draw less energy than electric heating element based heaters.thats what I have at present.I also like the unit mounted outside.The Lowes store in Manassas Virginia had a gas fired external hot water heater-looks sort of like the Quantum but mounted outside.I guess the main fear of the outside units is how to protect the unit from freezing if there is a gas or power failure.I have seen Mitushibi AC units that have the fan-evaporator unit mounted inside and the condensor-compresser mounted outside.Used some in that building I worked in.the original chillers were built by Carrier and its been said that was the first AC'ed building in Wash DC. The building wass built in 1939.That was the building that used those large chillers that I mentioned in another entry.
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Post# 41699-7/8/2004-19:13 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought - thanks all for cmmnts (Sitting in a closet)
MESSAGE: Hi greg,
It is a VERY cool find!!(: I hope it works ok. Boy I sure am glad I didn't spend forty years in a closet!! (:
Tricky Rick
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Post# 41700-7/8/2004-19:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: On the Jay Leno show several months ago they had a guest who built a trebeche-a device like a large catapult.It used a weighted lever arm to launch its projectile-And they used some appliances for projectiles-A kenmore washer,and a fridge.the last projectile was a box full of melons-like one of those large boxes of melons that sits on the floor at the grocery store.That made a spectacular mess!!The Leno crew had a cleanup job in the parking lot that night.
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Post# 41701-7/8/2004-19:36 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: Hi Tolivac!
Your right,I forgot about the mute switch to silence the change cycle!Another example of outstanding quality. I think Collaro built some manual turntables also.I have seen a couple of them on eBay. I saw two with red tone arms,and speed control knobs.The baseplates were the gold metalic color. I have put two magnetic cartriges in the Micromatic players. The tone arm height must be modified,and the small white record brush is too short to use.The 1950's and early 1960's Collaro and Garrard look similar.Both very high quality for sure.
I worked for a small appliance store while I was in high school.I remember that Motorola used Garrard,Magnavox used Collaro,Zenith used Voice Of Music,and the cheaper,off brands used BSR.You had to know this to sell 45 RPM adaptors to a customer.
I miss those days...
Rick
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Post# 41702-7/8/2004-19:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: Come to think of it-the Manavox unit my mother had Was a "Concert Grand" series.It was an all tube model with the Collaro Imperial microMatic TT.It didn't have a TV in it.Was a stero console with a AM and FM tuner.The tuner had an early Add-on stereo demodulator unit.Had to work on it-had some bad tubes in the decoder.The decoder was on a separate chassis from the tuner.I really liked that TT in that Hi-Fi.Miss it.I kept the unit going.Its power amps needed a case of 6V6GTA tubes.Used them in Push-pull parallel.
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Post# 41703-7/8/2004-19:49 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: They cheated a bit on stereo with the (Theatre) TV models. 12 in. speakers instead of the 15 in. Plus the speakers were "open" and not enclosed like the Non Theatre (no TV) models.You got gyped on record storage space too. Three reasons I kept my grandparents non theatre model,and gave my parents theatre model to a friend.(both 1965 models)
Rick
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Post# 41704-7/8/2004-19:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: What type of mag cartridge di you put in the Micromatic TT? Would be good to know in case I run into one in the future.If I could have gotten my mom's old maganavx-would have put it in that one.I thought many Hi-fi equipment builders used Garrard TT's in their units besides Motorrola.I though Packard Bell used Garrard TT's in the consoles-same with Fisher-remember them?Besides component stereos-they made some consoles as well.I remember when Packard Bell made hi-Fi equipment instead of computers-they should have stuck to the audio gear.I also used to have a VOM TT.Came from a Curtus-Mathes system.Someone gave it to me when I was in high school-connected it to an old Seeburg Juke box amp.Worked well.-Rick I miss those days too-Esp The Dynaco Components-built many of them!!
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Post# 41705-7/8/2004-19:55 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (A/C)
MESSAGE: Boy, that's really COOL! (no pun intended) Of course, don't let the "Energy Police" find out.
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Post# 41706-7/8/2004-19:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: I am not sure -but I think my mom's unit was purchased in 1963.My mother had good infulence on the Maganavox unit-Her mother used to sell them out of a store in College Park Pa.That unit had the 15" woofers and a tweeter horn .Both were in sealed enclosures.-and Biamped.The power amps in the unit had an electronic crossover stage that fed to Tweeter power amp sections(2 6V6 GTA in PP)and the woofer section that used 6 6V6GTA in PP. To retube the unit-you had to buy a case of 6V6 tubes.There was no record storage space in this unit.Was devoted to electronics and Speaker enclosures.also that unit was VERY heavy.Took 3 people just to lift it.It was a well made unit.-Better than many component type systems built then and today.
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Post# 41707-7/8/2004-20:01 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (triple dispenser lid)
MESSAGE: The frame of the lid assembly where it mounts against the cabinet top got all chipped around the edge so it looked sorta "ratty". The lid itself was still functional. Parts are starting to go obsolete on this machine, the water level knob is NLA, and the Triple Dispenser Lid is available in White only and this is a Coffee colored machine
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Post# 41708-7/8/2004-20:14 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: BD Kenmore Set (damage)
MESSAGE: I've seen that kind of damage before, obviously the washer was originally to the left of the dryer (always the best position because of the KM left opening lid), butted right up against it, so vibration of the washer against the dryer causes those scratches in the paint.
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Post# 41709-7/8/2004-20:15 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: The first magnetic I installed was a Audio-Technica CTD12XE with a .3x.7 nude elliptical stylus tip.The stylus pressure rating was 1 to 1&3/4 grams . I set the changer up for 1&1/2 grams.It tracked fine. I replace the cartridge wiring on both changers first with shielded wire.The second cartridge was a Realistic (Radio Shack) I never had the specs on that one. I did these in the early 1980's.... when CD's were something you got from the bank (:
I never saw a Packard Bell. With Magnavox built right here in Fort Wayne,they were THE leader here.I forgot about Fisher too.Yes, they did use Garrard!They were few and far bettween here.This was Magnavox country.
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Post# 41710-7/8/2004-20:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Motorola/Quasar)
MESSAGE: Quaser IS (or was at that time) Motorola
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Post# 41711-7/8/2004-20:22 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Fixerman's Store (dryer relay)
MESSAGE: You might want to try 2 things.
Remove the relay and see if it has rating specs on it.
Take a picture of the wiring diagram to send out if needed.
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Post# 41712-7/8/2004-20:28 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Latest issue of CR
MESSAGE: How timely, roommate just handed me the latest issue of CR, and it has the latest on:
detergents
refrigerators
dishwashers
ranges
cooktops
wall ovens
This should be interesting
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Post# 41713-7/8/2004-20:31 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: I think they went to all transistor by 1965.I do have a Magnavox "suitcase" stereo c1961 that is non-tube. I took it to work.Once a week everyone brings records in for a fun "vinyl" day.Some of the younger ones bring stuff in from their parents.(some of it is not so good....) Anyway we put a stack of twelve 33's on,flip em shortly after lunch,and they are over about 4:30. Just in time to put them away and go home.Vinyl day is Friday this week,so I better look for a few to take in.
What your mother had was a Concert Grande.They are of the most sought after vintage consoles.I thought they stopped production in 1961,but maybe it was later.I know they were not available in 1965.I have the sales info. for that year. People are stripping the tube type consoles for parts,and selling the stuff on eBay.Better than the krusher I guess,but still a shame never the less. The hi fi buffs dig on those push pull 6V amps!
Rick
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Post# 41714-7/8/2004-20:37 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (heat energy)
MESSAGE: To be totally correct, since energy cannot be created or destroyed, only converted from one for to another, what you're really saying is that a heat pumps process of MOVING heat energy from one place to aother is more efficient than a standard electric furnace's process of CONVERTING electrical energy to heat energy
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Post# 41715-7/8/2004-20:40 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Krushed to Smithereens UniShotGun)
MESSAGE: I'll confess-I used to use discarded appliances as targets-After taking parts from them.There used to be a "sandpit" out here where the owner mined sand and also allowed people to use it as a shooting range.To fill in the areas where the sand was taken from-he dumpted trash there-sort of a mini landfill as well.One of the days I went there to shoot-the bulldozer pushed a GE Fridge into the pond-was floating there.Made a good target for my M1 Garand.(this was also in the days before you vampired the refrigenrents from AC's and fridges)After sinking it into the pond with one clipful of ammo-it was still bubbling under the water 2 hrs later.Now there is a housing place there.That was also before I had the interest in old machines I have now.I did take some agitators and knobs from washers thrown out there.Then the washer was another target of oppertunity.Others shot at them too.
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Post# 41716-7/8/2004-20:41 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (heat energy)
MESSAGE: Yes.
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Post# 41717-7/8/2004-20:48 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: record changers
MESSAGE: My maternal Grandmother had a 1960 Packard Bell console stereo in Early American. It had 3 HUGE woofers and 2 horn tweeters. I used to BLAST it when nobody was home. IT had what I later found out was a Glaser-Steers changer in it. It had a feauture called "Speed Minder" where you could mix 45's and 33's on the spindle and it would automatically adjust the speed.Of course, the 45's had to have the little adapters in them for this feature to work. Another unique thing it did is that it would stop the turntable while the tonearm set down on the record, then stop it at the end of the record before the tonearm would pick up. Because of this, the speed of the change cycle was not turntable speed dependent like most changers. The change cycle took the same amount of time whether it was playing 16's or 78's.
FM Stereo was an option Granny didn't get (it was a separate little sub chassis that pluggged into the main chassis), but it did have a feature where you could supposedly make it sound like a Concert Hall" but it never worked at all. To top it off, the controls were set up in such a way that you could listen to AM on the left channel and FM on the right channel the tuners were separate. And it had that big green "Tuning Eye" to top it all off
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Post# 41718-7/8/2004-20:51 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic)
MESSAGE: At this point-oh how I wished I had that machine!!I hate the thing of folks stripping them for the components-but again better then the krusher.It would be best to sell the whole thing.The Biamp power amp wouldn't be very useful by itself-unless you had a speaker system you could use with it.-And again it was designed to be used with the Magnavox speakers.Yes-HiFi buffs like the 6V6 amps along with Guitarists.I have seen muscians using them as guitar amps.New 6V6 amps are even built today to satisfy the demand.Another thing-Those "Maggie" sets were so durable its is rare to see someone throwing one out.I also connected a CD player to play thru the unit and it sounded supurb.My mother hardly used the TT at that point. Only when I visited her-she even mentined it was the only time the record player was used.It still worked great.Loved listening to her records on it.The CD player came from Radio shack.For an inexpensive unit-sounded pretty good thru the Magnavox.I had to put it on a table beside the maggie unit-the vibrations sometimes bothered the CD machine.I now remember the brass nameplate-Concert-Grande on the front of the unit.
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Post# 41719-7/8/2004-20:53 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: record changers (Granny's stereo)
MESSAGE: What happened to that! It sounds like a real collecors item. I never heard of a Glaser-Steers changer.Where was it made?
Rick
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Post# 41720-7/8/2004-20:58 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: record changers
MESSAGE: The radio station WPGC AM and FM in Wash DC area was experimenting with the "AM-FM" stero system in the early 60's I beleive from documents I found at the station. I used to work there as an engineer from 1973-1985.I had a McIntosh tuner that had the AM-FM feature.I like the idea of the Glaser-Steers TT stopping turntable rotation during its change cycle.Would like to see the mechanism-never hear of an auto TT that would do that.-also like the intermixing of records of difffrent speeds. would like one-My mothers Magnavox Had the separate multiplex FM decoder.Worked well when it had good tubes in it.The Maganavox unit she had used a tune meter instead of the "eye" tube.
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Post# 41721-7/8/2004-21:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (ducted/split system)
MESSAGE: To clarify, how is what you call a "split system" different from a "ducted system"? Here, "ducted" and "split" are considered the same, whereas the compressor and condensor are outside, and the evaporator is inside on the end of the furnace, and cool air is blown through ducts to the various rooms.
Window units are usually used only when circumstances dictate that's the only choice, such as:
Older buildings with no ducted heating system.
Rental units where people want to be able to take units with them. when they move
Buildings that DO have ducted heating systems, but owners don't want to spend the money to put in central A/C, so they use a window unit or units and just stay in that room or rooms during hot spells and close off the rerst of the house.
Buildings that DO have central A/C, but to save electricity, a window unit will be installed in say, a bedroom, and central system turned off during hot evenings.
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Post# 41722-7/8/2004-21:21 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (ducted/split system)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Over here a ducted system is as you describe.
In the past it was usually a gas furnace, with a a/c evaporator on the outlet, and you either ran the furnace or the a/c. Now more often than not, its a reverse cycle heat pump and its used for summer and winter.
A split system over here works as follows.
You have the compressor and condensor mounted ouside the house, then there is plumbing that carries the refridgerant to a fan/evaporator which is mounted on a wall, or floor, or in the ceiling of the room that you wish to cool or heat.
The thermostat is built into this wall unit, and it controls the function of the compressor.
In the house I grew up in, we had a huge Carrier unit, a 16KW cooling/18kw heating compressor, which was connected to a floor mounted console in the living room. The main controls and vent, and air intake were in the living room. On this unit, there was a vent on the back through the wall, that also forced air down the hallway to the bedrooms etc.
We mainly used it for cooling as we had a wood heater and a slow combustion stove for warmth in winter.
Have a look at the PDF I've attached, it explains the different types of AC available in Australia. Pages 6 & 7 talk about heat pumps specifically, but it also talks about evaporative cooling as well.
Nathan
LINK: http://www.countryenergy.com.au/internet/cewebpub.nsf/AttachmentsByTitle/flib-energyeff/$file/es_cooling.pdf
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Post# 41723-7/8/2004-21:42 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: Gregory, giving away another secret, WELL!
I guess I'll have to give a hint then...
:)
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/TEMP/hint.jpg
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Post# 41724-7/8/2004-21:43 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE: No, and thankfully my Acme Modern Appliance Launcher was delivered today, so I just had to try it out on my 2001 dishwasher and record the sound...
LINK: http://www.automaticwasher.org/TEMP/launch.wav
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Post# 41725-7/8/2004-21:45 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :)
MESSAGE: I've heard that too around the appliance circles that there are collectors of vintage window A/C units. How fun, I see a few of these now and then, but its rare to find one as old as GregM found and in such good shape!
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Post# 41726-7/8/2004-21:47 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: This looks fun...
MESSAGE: Oh that is very fun Austin, thanks, I will add it to the see it wash page. I totally forgot that was out there.
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Post# 41727-7/8/2004-21:50 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire History (First Self Cleaning Lint Filter - 1952)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, they do mean the over-flow rinse, except Frigidaire wasn't the first brand with that feature. Once the water and lint went over the top it went down the drain and not pumped back in.
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Post# 41728-7/8/2004-21:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: This looks fun...
MESSAGE: That's my webspace and I forgot it was there. I guess I could put up videos of my 1977 Kenmore portable for the see-it-wash page.
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Post# 41729-7/8/2004-21:53 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: Thats right you live at the "Maggies" birthplace-What is the factory used for now?the last I saw of Magnavox they were acting as a contractor building electronic equipment for the military.This would of been in the late 80's.Was at a job fair.The AT cartridges are still made-the Radio station industry and Dj industries are now their biggest customers.See the AT cartridges in broadcast supply catalogs.They still sell them.The suppliers still sell TT's too!The sheilded cable would be a necissity with the Magnetic cartridge becuse of its very low output level.Thnx for the info-hope I could apply it some day.
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Post# 41730-7/8/2004-21:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: This looks fun...
MESSAGE: Hi Jason, I can move the to our video server along with the Skinny-mini video if you wish.
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Post# 41731-7/8/2004-21:59 ||| brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire History (First Self Cleaning Lint Filter - 1952)
MESSAGE: Thanks for that Robert,
During normal wash though, did the fridgidare recirculate water? Or did it only overflow with fresh water?
Hugs
Nathan
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Post# 41732-7/8/2004-22:01 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: Even though it had a ceramic cartridge, the tracking force was advertised at 1/10 ounce (about 2.8 grams). Not too bad.
I put once put a Pickering V-15 cartridge with a pre-amp in a magnavox console but feedback was a problem. A carbon foam cushon on the turntable helped, as did a low filter.
I have a few new E-V ceramic cartridges in my stash.
Ken D.
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Post# 41733-7/8/2004-22:04 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: Some of the lower priced sets in the mid 50s had VM changers, but they went from Webster (Webcor) changers to Collaro in about 1954. They tonearm didn't tap the record for size untill about 1957ish.
Ken D.
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Post# 41734-7/8/2004-22:12 ||| Bendix5 (oregon)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: The westies are missing
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Post# 41735-7/8/2004-22:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: Oh dear, what happened to the Laundromats??
--Austin
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Post# 41736-7/8/2004-22:18 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: This looks fun...
MESSAGE: Someone posted some old Frigidaire literature on Yahoo and there were full-sized versions of the Agitub. Greg (gansky1) also mentioned a rare portable version. Does anyone have pics of the Frigidaire portable?
--Austin
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Post# 41737-7/8/2004-22:19 ||| kenwashesmonday (Haledon, NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: When updating a cartridge in an old changer, it's usually best to use a conical or spherical stylus unless you're sure the tracking error is super low. The shape of an elliptical tip will gouge the groove if it's not almost perfectly straight at all times.
You sure went super light on the tracking force, I would have chosen a stylus rated for 2-4 grams. The Collaro has an excellent trip mechanism that doesn't drag the arm the way most do. This in one of the things that allows it to track light.
Ken D.
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Post# 41738-7/8/2004-22:41 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: Another interesting fact about these wonderful Magnavox players is that the furniture part was made by Baker furniture. Baker was, and still is, a very expensive line of fine handcrafted furniture. (Baker, Knapp, & Tubbs) This high end furniture is still available to the trade. (Interior Designer's only)
Mark
LINK: http://www.kohlerinteriors.com/baker/1_0_0_baker_home.jsp
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Post# 41739-7/8/2004-22:50 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: I bought a Magnavox console stereo (Astro Sonic in lovely Mediterraian) in 1972 and it sits in my den here in the Roanoke house and is played about every day. Never had a problem with it, and it still plays perfectly. Never changed a needle, cartridge, or anything and it's played a LOT of records! The only thing that I didn't like about the record changer is that it didn't play 78's, only 45's and 33's. Now I have a few Zenith, RCA, and Bendix (with Webcor changers)consoles that play the 78's! Mark
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Post# 41740-7/8/2004-23:22 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: When I connected a CD machine into the aux inputs on my Mom's Maggie-the vibration caused the CD machine--Skip--.Set it on a table near the Magnavox-and it worked fine.Magnetic cartridges would be more sensitve to the feedback-If I had the unit-would try it with a TT mounted on a separate base not sitting on the Magnavox console.That might be a good thing to try as well.I was amazed at the suspension of the Collaro TT in the unit.I did remove the TT from the unit once-but didn't look underneath -should have in order to see the WF test label.I had to replace the idler tire under the TT platter.also the platter was a cast and machined metal.Wasn't a stamped platter.
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Post# 41741-7/8/2004-23:25 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: thats great-I would think your stylus would need to be replaced.Usually styli and cartridges wear out-the suspension of the stylus cantilever wears out-gets dried and brittle.If your unit isn't mistracking or distorted-thats super.I am amazed.Your Maggies cartridge is unusally good quality.
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Post# 41742-7/8/2004-23:27 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: Thats interesting-the casework of the Magnavox units built by Baker Furniture.I remeber the unit was Hardwood and solid wood except for the speaker enclosures.They built of dense particle board that was over 1 in thick. Explained wwhy the unit was so heavy.
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Post# 41743-7/8/2004-23:33 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Astro Sonic -Collaro Micro Matic)
MESSAGE: I couldn't remember-did the Collaro TT's use a spring tracking force adjust or counterweighted adjust?As you mentioned-the trip device didn't interfere with the "skating" of the arm.I did try a test record on the unit and the anti-skating was supurb. And that was with the stock cartridge.I never remember ever having to adjust tracking force or anti-skating on the tonearm.The cartridge in these units was very durable.Also it was a "turnover" cartridge-your flipped it over to play 78's.There was a lever protruding from the arm headshell that allowed that.
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Post# 41744-7/8/2004-23:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (ducted/split system)
MESSAGE: Aha, as usual, simply a difference in terminology. What you call a "split system" there is relatively new here, where it's called a "zone system", where each room can have it's own evaporator and thermostat. A "split" system here is always a ducted system, though even the ducted systems have 2 types.
The aforementioned system where there is an A/C evaporator on the end of a gas or electric furnace and the compressor and condensor are outdoors (some members here have linked to pictures of theirs).
Another system that is very common on smaller commercial buildings and I'm noticing more and more on residences now, is an all-in-one unit that contains furnace,compressor, condensor, evaporator, and fans. These are commonly mounted on the roof or less often, on the ground on a slab like a split system, and the air is then ducted into the house or business. Neighbors across the street just had one of these put in, and I notice quite a few other neighbors on our street have them, too. Our system is the split system, with the gas furnace and eaporator in the attic and the compressor & condensor in the backyard.
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Post# 41745-7/8/2004-23:57 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: Hmm, the only thing I see is one more hookup for an electric dryer and another washer on the back wall.
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Post# 41746-7/9/2004-00:13 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Zenith using Voice of Music
MESSAGE: So did VOM make Zenith's "Cobramatic" changers?
Love the tonearm with the little "eyes"
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Post# 41747-7/9/2004-00:24 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: record changer suppliers
MESSAGE: I suspect the audio companies used, like everyone else, the changer from the cmpany that gave them the best deal at the time. Therefore, one would probably see different brands of changers in the same brand of audio equipment over the years, and possibly different brands of changers depending on whether a unit was BOL, MOL, or TOL even in the same year.
Around 1965 my Great Aunt bought a small GE "Early American" style console. The speakers were mounted in the doors and were fed through the hinges, but they could be dismounted and plugged into the unit with RCA jacks. The changer was a Garrard and folded up into the unit when not in use, whereas then the speakers could be closed over it and the adjacent record storage pocket (the speakers opened French Door style)
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Post# 41748-7/9/2004-00:27 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: But *something* was there before. I wonder what that could be...;-)
--Austin
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Post# 41749-7/9/2004-00:29 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Original stylus)
MESSAGE: Maybe it's time to check the stylus since it's played a LOT of records? Besides, they aren't going to keep making stylus forever, I would stock up now.
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Post# 41750-7/9/2004-00:33 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Our Knowledge
MESSAGE: I must say, one of the things I really enjoy about this group is that so many of us are knowlegable on EVERYTHING, not just appliances. Really keeps things interesting.
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Post# 41751-7/9/2004-00:39 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Zenith using Voice of Music
MESSAGE: Yes I remember those-Have seen two Zenith Cobramatic TT's-one had a pink motorboard base and a red Tonearm with pink eyes.The unit needed a new idler tire-it had a varible speed drive that slid the idler tire over a cone shaped motor pulley.the tire was worn--this was at my friends house.He also collected slot cars-A slot car tire worked Perfectly to replce the old worn out idler tire.Another one I saw had a golden colered base with a brown tonearm.-the arm had black colored eyes.Someone even told me-(Is it true?)that they had a model whose headshell eyes lit up as the unit played.
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Post# 41752-7/9/2004-00:47 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: This looks fun...
MESSAGE: Never in my life would I have thought an Agitub agitated that fast. I imagined it as having a stroke similar to the Norge's. Looking at the mechanism during agitation and seeing that rod going back & forth rapidly is enough entertainment already!
I have my eyes peeled for the rare "portable" version...
--Austin
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Post# 41753-7/9/2004-00:49 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (ducted/split system)
MESSAGE: In the area I live in they have the HVAC units where the AC, blower,and furnace are contained in one unit-they call them "gas pacs" here.They are very popular.My neighbors house has one. He converted its furnace section to run from natural gas instead of propane.It used to run off propane.
The bulding I used to work in had units installed in some of the offices that were made by Mishubishi-Was a "ductless" system that was described in other entries.The blower-evaporater unit was in the room to be cooled or heated(it also acted as a heat pump)and the compresser and condenser unit mounted outside.All that connected the units were the supply and return lines for the refrigerent.-and the wiring.The great thing about thse is they were quick and inexpensive to install ideal for old homes and buildings.Didn't have to run ductwork for it.The units cooled and heated pretty well.You had to have a evaporater and condenser unit for each room to be conditioned.
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Post# 41754-7/9/2004-00:51 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: But that doesn't mean we have to share that knowledge on this website. I'll post here what is on the startpage of Applianceville:
Our discussion forum was created for the purpose of discussing antique, vintage and classic major home appliances. What makes an appliance a classic? A classic is approximately 15 years old, vintage would be 30 and they become true antiques at 50 years. Since Applianceville was originally created for collectors and fans of the classic+ machines, we have also have created another site for our members and friends to discuss fun new modern appliances as well as any other off-topic subject, please check it out at the Applianceville Sandbox.
So please post messages about other stuff than classic major home appliances there.
LINK: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Applianceville-Sandbox/?yguid=49342021
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Post# 41755-7/9/2004-00:52 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: record changer suppliers
MESSAGE: To the equipment manufacturers the TT was a component part like a motor for an appliance.Makes sense they would choose the best "bidder" TT builder for the deal.
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Post# 41756-7/9/2004-00:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (propane vs natural gas)
MESSAGE: Curious, why would your neighbor's unit be running off of propane originally? Was it installed before natural gas service was available?
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Post# 41757-7/9/2004-00:56 ||| tolivac (greenville nc)
SUBJECT: RE: Look what I bought today :) (propane vs natural gas)
MESSAGE: Yes-the former owner of the house didn't convert it.My neighbor was tired of paying the higher prices for the propane.The gas lines had been in our neghborhood for some time-many years.
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Post# 41758-7/9/2004-00:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: Don't fret, the conversation always ends up back on major appliances. If it wil make yo uhappy, I'll ask a major appliance question now.
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Post# 41759-7/9/2004-00:59 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Lint Ejector baffle
MESSAGE: So what brand of FL machine had one of baffles acting as a "lint ejector" and did it really work?
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Post# 41760-7/9/2004-01:13 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Lint Ejector baffle
MESSAGE: The late 60's Westinghouse "Taller-Tumbler" FL has Lint Ejector vanes, however I don't know if this was the first to have these...
--Austin
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Post# 41761-7/9/2004-01:16 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: I agree Louis, sometimes we can get a little carried away and often-times someone has to step in and say "That's enough, take it in the Sandbox." I've been trying to continue an Agitub thread to no avail, which is the type of vintage appliance we should be talking about, so I'm glad you brought this to our attention.
--Austin
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Post# 41762-7/9/2004-01:26 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Agitub)
MESSAGE: Which reminds me that I had downloaded but not yet seen the movie from Jason you directed us too. I don't think I had seen that movie before, so thanks for that!
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Post# 41763-7/9/2004-01:56 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Agitub)
MESSAGE: so do we find this video?
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Post# 41764-7/9/2004-03:45 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Agitub)
MESSAGE: Post #41683
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Post# 41765-7/9/2004-06:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Rotoswirl video)
MESSAGE: Got a HUGE page full of gibberish, just symbols and letters
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Post# 41766-7/9/2004-06:37 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: This looks fun...
MESSAGE: Sure! Do it. That's what it's there for.
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Post# 41767-7/9/2004-06:45 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Collaro & VM)
MESSAGE: I think those were the only two record changers that could sense the record size.
The VM had a finger near the base of the tonearm that sensed the 10"/12" records and a button inside of the platter (fun to watch) that sensed the 7".
Of course the Collaro was super fun to watch it tap the side of the record, drop the record and lower the tonearm onto the record. When the last record had played, the tonearm makes a complete sweep and then shuts down.
Know how that works? There's a plastic disc with 4 tracks underneath the turntable and there's a metal stylus that connects to this cam. When the cycle begins, the stylus rides the groove until it touches a record. This makes the the stylus underneath jump into its proper groove. The groove then guides the tonearm onto the record and it lowers. If there's no record then the tonearm rides in the outer groove which returns it back to the base and the TT shuts down. This is all choreographed within about 5 to 10 seconds. Lift, sweep, touch, drop, lower, play. I miss my Magnavox :-(
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Post# 41768-7/9/2004-06:47 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Black & White on Color sets (Collaro & VM)
MESSAGE: By the way, it took me a while before I figured out how it worked. I thought it was broke at first until I tried it with a record and I was like.. DUH! It's supposed to do that.
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Post# 41769-7/9/2004-06:53 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: I think we're all part of this common thread. Most of us likes washing machines (of course) and also old TVs and stereos.
I think it's because we enjoy the things in our past. These old simple clunky things that they don't make anymore.
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Post# 41770-7/9/2004-06:56 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: I still wonder, why can't we have a message board multiple forums say like... Classic Appliances, Modern Appliances, Televisions, Stereos, Off-Topic, etc.?
So this website will just be a one-stop forum and we won't have to jump into that Yahoo group to go OT.
Not trying to mess with the system, I'm just giving an idea.
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Post# 41771-7/9/2004-06:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Rotoswirl video)
MESSAGE: Right click the link, and then save as.. Save it to your desktop to make it easy. Double-click the icon and it will play.
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Post# 41772-7/9/2004-06:58 ||| jasonl (New Orleans, LA)
SUBJECT: POD Friday
MESSAGE: WOW!
Let me say it again...
WOW!
Not boring at all
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Post# 41773-7/9/2004-07:10 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: I don't mind going to the "sandbox", I wish there was an EASIER way to transfer back and forth from appville to the sandbox and vice versa. I have placed a couple comments in the past (and try not to) that are more "modern" but in many cases relate to the older machines as well. But I do like to read as "kenmore1978" said, all the knowledgable posts here, I don't want to miss out because its not "washer related", so if anyone is posting non-washer related stuff, could you also post a link to your posting in the sandbox ?? -thanks :)
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Post# 41774-7/9/2004-07:11 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: I think that is a great idea !!!!!
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Post# 41775-7/9/2004-07:48 ||| pulsator-power (connecticut)
SUBJECT: Philco Washer on ebay
MESSAGE: It's almost over, but have you guys seen the price on ebay for the Philco washer is up to $3550? I know it's a rare washer & in great shape, but is this normal? Has anyone in Applianceville ever paid an amount like that?
Jerry
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Post# 41776-7/9/2004-08:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire History (First Self Cleaning Lint Filter - 1952)
MESSAGE: Hi Nathan, no Frigidaire solid tub machines never recirculated the water, at least the ones made in the USA or Canada.
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Post# 41777-7/9/2004-08:44 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washer on ebay
MESSAGE: Greetings Jerry!
Right now there is an ahole just running up the bid on an item that he I know he can't afford. It would be quite funny if he won it AND it would serve him right! Mark
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Post# 41778-7/9/2004-08:46 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: Those are all great ideas but there are some things you guys are not considering. First of all it took me 7 solid weeks of work to write the code for Applianceville and I mean solid, Neal went to Europe for work during that time so and I had a few weeks of vacation during that time, so I was able to get the job done with interruptions. I do not have the luxury of that time to do a major rewrite like that again. With that said I have been spending small amounts of time getting ready for an Applianceville rewrite, one that I’m going to do slowly but surely over the course time and behind the scenes. I would like to change the system into a threaded style system like Appliances Forum. But I do not want to use some off the shelf package that we cannot use our logos and colors and worst of all have post advertising links for them, so I will write it myself.
Second of all and more importantly all those extra forums attracts lots of other users, not just washer people and that extra bandwidth (usage and traffic) costs money and lots of money. Right now it costs over $600 a year to keep this web site going and I really do not want to increase that any more. I thinking of ideas to raise money to for site upkeep, without having to ask for donations, but I have yet to get that together.
Of course I could put my Philco set on eBay, oh who am I kidding, I love it too much:)
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Post# 41779-7/9/2004-08:56 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washer on ebay
MESSAGE: Hi Mark, while some of the auctions have gone pretty high, this one by far takes the cake. I was pretty sure about this bidder just running up the bid too, that is really unfortunate, its obvious because this other bidder has no feedback, so its not his real user name. Some people like to wait till the very end to bid, so now they probably wont even bother. At the same time he's raising expectations for future auctions that might cause some vintage machines to end up in the krusher because they dont get any bids.
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Post# 41780-7/9/2004-09:13 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washer on ebay
MESSAGE: My Dear Robert, I couldn't have said it better myself. Thanks You, Mark
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Post# 41781-7/9/2004-09:25 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: Robert, what have you done with the 48 Westys? Please tell me you didn't send them to the crusher like you did the poor sunny yellow Maytag. BTW, where is the 53 Kenmore you had at the old house that sat between the 57 Lady & the 52 Whirlpool?
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Post# 41782-7/9/2004-09:34 ||| JerseyMike (New Jersey)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Turquoise?)
MESSAGE: Hi Bob,
I don't think that it was called turquoise. (Turquoise is my all time favorite appliance color.) By the time solid state controls came along, turquoise and pink had long given way to coopertone, avocado, and harvest gold.
Mike
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Post# 41783-7/9/2004-09:38 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: Hi Lesto, those are a 1955 Westinghouse set, not '48. The '53 Baby Kenmore is safe and sound in storage, don't worry I don't send any vintage machine to the krusher without first seeing if anyone in Applianceville wants it first.
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Post# 41784-7/9/2004-09:39 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Todays POD (Whirlpool Solid State) (Turquoise?)
MESSAGE: True, unless you have 21st century computing powers ;), almost as magical as Jeannie.
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Post# 41785-7/9/2004-09:44 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: What happen to the '55 Westys
MESSAGE: Yes the clue to the secret is the fact that the westies are missing, the mystery is where they are and why.
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Post# 41786-7/9/2004-10:20 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances?)
MESSAGE: Well said Robert. At least we're not using Yahoo for the Classic Appliances discussion board anymore!
--Austin
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Post# 41787-7/9/2004-10:21 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Philco Washer on ebay
MESSAGE: I think it would! Notice how he has (0) feedback!
--Austin
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Post# 41788-7/9/2004-10:59 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Friday
MESSAGE: You are right!
So many buttons with many options and with the exclusive Vari-Flex agitator. What more could you ask for at that price? It is an awesome machine, very quite and my brother is using it since I found this one on eBay.....
LINK: http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/cleanteamofny/lst?.dir=/Vintage+Kenmore&.view=l
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Post# 41789-7/9/2004-11:39 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD Friday
MESSAGE: Sears did have some beautiful designs through about 1975 or so! I like these big button ones, and any of the ones that had buttons that locked the timer in the right place!
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Post# 41790-7/9/2004-11:45 ||| Wantsawasher (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: is this a commercial machine or a home unit? this will be my first washer to restore, do you think this is as good of a place to start as any?
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Post# 41791-7/9/2004-12:22 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (Another secret)
MESSAGE: For some reason I thought in your old photos from the other house you had them labeled as 48's. I must have been thinking of the 49 Westy dryer you had. Are you planning on putting the 53 Kenmore back in service anytime soon?
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Post# 41792-7/9/2004-13:30 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: Hey all,
My friends/family think I am nuts with these old appliances. The city thinks I am building a laundro-mat in my garage. And now, a used washer and dryer, that the owner clearly admits has a worn out agitator (rubber on the blades o water is hard/cracked) sells for $5325.
I agree with the winner, Mark, that someone was pushing his buttons by bidding it up. That fuzzyscorpio ID was created on 6/28 and was either someone to help the seller get the price up or just a jerk who was forcing Mark to pay more.
Don't get me wrong, if my GE dream set appeared, I would PAY as much as I could afford. Unfortunately, how it played out, the price of any washer on ebay now is going to potentially have a very high reserve.
NOW, on the positive side, if the dealers who take old machines in on trade or to junk see that there are buyers for these antiques, more of them may be saved and come onto the market for us. I can only hope, because I know my GE 1050X is out there somewhere.
Have a nice weekend folks. Mark, hope the machines look as good as the pictures show and we can see them in your collection soon!
MK in LBC
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Post# 41793-7/9/2004-14:25 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha (you are so funny Robert!))
MESSAGE: I laughed so hard that I had to get up from my desk and go tinkle.
Thanks for the good laugh!
Brent
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Post# 41794-7/9/2004-14:42 ||| gregm (Worcester, MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Is this website still about Classic Appliances? well put)
MESSAGE: point made Robert, "I hear ya" and I am sure I speak for many saying that. I love the last sentence though .......... hehehe
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Post# 41795-7/9/2004-16:15 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: Excuse me, No one "Forced" Mark to do anything. It was his option to stop at anytime. He paid what the market would bear so he paid exactly what it was worth. The price of anything is set by how much someone is willing to pay for it.
Greg
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Post# 41796-7/9/2004-16:34 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: Look what a good deed he did, Now the lady can go buy an nice new Neptune or GE Harmony set, or both. Or maybe a nice new Calypso set. Yum Yum.
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Post# 41797-7/9/2004-16:38 ||| Westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: $5000 could easily buy a Milnor!!!
--Austin
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Post# 41798-7/9/2004-16:43 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: By the way this collectors driving prices up issue was discussed here a number of months ago in case someone wants to review it.
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Post# 41799-7/9/2004-17:21 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (No Excuses Were Required)
MESSAGE: Hi,
I never implied Mark was forced to do anything. It is my opinion though, that someone created a new Ebay handle and drove the price up. Usually, if someone desires an item they do two things: One, they bid very high (like Mark did) or two, they wait until near the end of the Ebay auction and place their bid.
It is also possible that fuzzyscorpio had no ill will and just bid that way with no malice intended.
I agree with your philosphy on price. I have paid "market price" both in person and on ebay many times. I don't need any lectures on this. I work hard, and it is my money. I don't know Mark in any way, but he seems to be an avid collector from his profile. I am sure he feels the same way, he works hard and he knows what he wants.
It seems lately that only two things go on here, lots of innane trivia bantered about that spins out of control, or when someone actually tries to have a discussion about a classic appliance related issue, and I DO THINK THIS AUCTION AFFECTS OUR HOBBY, someone goes off and takes offense at what was stated, skewes it and pounces.
Please, lets be adults. In the spirit of keeping our old machines/gadgets working, lets focus on sharing parts and repair knowledge, and the leads to those "lucky finds" rather than attacking posts.
Best Regards,
MK in LBC
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Post# 41800-7/9/2004-17:40 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (No Excuses Were Required)
MESSAGE: It wasn't intended to be an attack, Didn't mean it that way, Perhaps I came across to strong.Just ignore the "Excuee Me" part. My point had been made though.
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Post# 41801-7/9/2004-17:59 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: What is your GE dreamset?
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Post# 41802-7/9/2004-18:50 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (GE Dream Set)
MESSAGE: Hi,
Thanks for asking. My parents moved into their first new home in 1965. It was all GE equipped. Somehow, even though it was 1965, the new laundry was equipped with a GE filter flo 1050X and matching dryer in turquoise. Advertisements seem to peg this set around 1961.
The 1050X appears as the POD occasionally here. I have a full color GE ad that shows most of the appliances our home had when I was a mere child (3 - 12 years old). I will scan it and post it in a few days.
I currently have a 1964 V14 GE set, a 1994 GE set (TOL washer), and a 1967 Lady Kenmore set. Only the LK's are turquoise in my small collection.
I was just talking to my contractor who is going to build my new garage/laundry/game room. I mentioned the auction today and I told him that "us collectors" are serious about it. He is worried having 3 sets of machines going would overload the sewer line. Anybody have any thoughts on this, for those who are running more than one washer at a time?
Thanks for any assistance on the sewer line question, and if you have a lead on a 1050X.
Have a nice Friday night. I am off to the Hollywood Bowl for TV night (Greg Brady will be there, along with the dingbat's daugher, Gloria).
MK in LBC
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Post# 41803-7/9/2004-19:14 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: For the public record, the other bidder was me. It's no secret that I wanted those machines. As for not being able to afford it, my personal finances are nobody's business, but I would NOT place a bid that I couldn't support.
The eBay ID was created on 7/26/2003, almost a year ago. Where does it say 6/28/2004?
Having never bought anything on eBay before, I didn't know at first how it works. So color me stupid. I thought it's like a regular auction with an auctioneer jabbering for bids, where the current high-bid is public knowledge. When I discovered how it works, I simply made bids up to the limit with which I was comfortable, for either the pair or just the washer, then I stopped bidding. I'm sorry if that got anybody's panties in a knot. What, I'm supposed to believe that nobody else would have bid after Mark if I hadn't? I'm quite surprised there were no other bidders. I had no more of a way than anyone else did to know what were Mark's upper limits. His limit still isn't known because his third bids were never topped. He placed his own bids, I'm not responsible for them. If he didn't want to risk having to pay that much, then HE shouldn't have placed the bids.
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Post# 41804-7/9/2004-19:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: I know how much you wanted a mid-60's Philco set with Flex-A-Wash, so at least you tried. Maybe next time it'll be a Kelvinator, and you'll win!
--Austin
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Post# 41805-7/9/2004-19:46 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Glen your a cool guy!)
MESSAGE: Glen,
Your honesty is great!
I agree with you and Mark on your views.
You can go to Ebay and now view on the bidder's history. Ebay used to show the highest bid amounts, and the winning bid.
One thing I can say about you guys....you had the Fever there for awhile!
Have a great weekend!
Brent
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Post# 41806-7/9/2004-20:44 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge
MESSAGE: I've been out of town for several days, just catching up on postings. I'm partial to the laundry discussions, and jump in when I have something relevant to say. This site somehow gives me peace of mind...can't explain it. I enjoy it immensely.
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Post# 41807-7/9/2004-20:50 ||| hbeathard (London, OHIO)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: Thank you for this posting.
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Post# 41808-7/9/2004-20:53 ||| petebldg9 (michigan)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Agitub)
MESSAGE: I downloaded the video of the agitub, and remember seeing a picture of the empty tub on this site. I don't understand why Frigidaire used such an odd shape for the molded agitator when they could have used a more normal one with smoother lines.
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Post# 41809-7/9/2004-21:04 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Agitub)
MESSAGE: Well Rich (golittlesport) mentioned that he had pretty good turnover with his Agitub, so maybe that was why Frigidaire used such an odd shape. At first I thought the Skinni-Mini had the pulsator mechanism (with the 1-ring agitator), as the tub opening & tub I saw of a Skinni-Mini on eBay 2 years ago looked like the other solid-tub Frigidaires, and the pictures didn't reveal the unique agitator.
If I found the portable Agitub machine (or even the full-sized version) that would be terrific. Even though the mechanism is very simple, the other versions seem quite rare, and nobody on Applianceville that I know of has an Agitub machine other than the Skinni-Mini.
After 1980, the WCI-Frigidaire machines didn't differ THAT greatly from the Agitub; they still had a plastic tub that moved during agitation, so they're somewhat collectible...;-)
Ya'll can slap me for this one ;-)
--Austin
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Post# 41810-7/9/2004-21:09 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Agitub)
MESSAGE: Here's a picture of the Agitub...very strange indeed!
--Austin
LINK: http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golittlesport/detail?.dir=/b3a6&.dnm=ad79.jpg
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Post# 41811-7/9/2004-21:14 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: This was a home washer, made from '47 thru the early 50's. Its certainly a good learning machine and good for parts for the future. All the chipped porcelain will be hard to restore to showroom new, but that's not really necessary to use it. A couple of things to keep in mind, its a bolt down machine and it used a very special sized ball bearing for the drum, if its shot it cannot be replaced with standard bearings.
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Post# 41812-7/9/2004-21:17 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha (you are so funny Robert!))
MESSAGE: Hi Brent, I'm glad I made you laugh, that's part of the fun here. I love the computer age as I can put all those goofy thoughts that used to be trapped in my head down on electronic paper.
Glad I made you tinkle too :)
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Post# 41813-7/9/2004-21:19 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (GE Dream Set)
MESSAGE: Hi MK, was this GE a solid basket or a early perf basket washer?
I have a special way of handling the drains I will go down to the basement a take a picture or two to show you. I can drain four sometimes five at one time.
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Post# 41814-7/9/2004-21:26 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (GE Dream Set)
MESSAGE: Don't you have a floor drain separate from the pipe, and the pipe is positioned above it, eliminating the "head pressure" needed for the individual standpipes to drain?
--Austin
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Post# 41815-7/9/2004-21:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Glenn You Are the Greatest!)
MESSAGE: Hi Glenn, thanks so much for sharing that with us, even though we didn't deserve it. I owe you an appology too, only because I thought the whole thing looked fishy, but now that you explained it I see how a misunderstanding like this could have happened.
I know you will find/win a Kelvinator and possibly a Philco too someday, it will come. It might not come from around the block, or even the same time zone, but it will come!
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Post# 41816-7/9/2004-21:28 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Glenn You Are the Greatest!)
MESSAGE: Maybe you'll be the "donor" of Glenn's future Philco!
--Austin
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Post# 41817-7/9/2004-21:41 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Glenn You Are the Greatest!)
MESSAGE: Glenn I'm speaking for a number of people on here when I apologize. I think each one of us had something offensive or "smart" to say as far as your bids on the Philco set were concerned.
So everyone, is our wash redistributed now??
--Austin
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Post# 41818-7/9/2004-22:22 ||| kreftgr (Colorado)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: This is the first vintage washer that I have found in my area so I have made a bid on it. It will be a 250 mile trip, one way, to pick it up but from what I have read, some of you guys do that all the time. I have been in the appliance repair business for over 21 years and sales for 14 years before that, and have never touched a Bendix, well maybe in a museum, so I may be asking for help. Glen.
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Post# 41819-7/9/2004-22:31 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: Draining Multiple Washers at Once
MESSAGE: Hi Mike,
I ran 3" PVC pipe through the entire basement. The pipe system is so large that it can hold at least four washer tubs full of drain water before it reaches the top of all of the standpipes throughout the whole basement. At the outlet is a 1.5" connection with an adjustable ball valve. It empties into the floor drain of the basement but the floor drain could never support the pressure of multiple washers draining at once without overflowing and spilling all over the floor. So what I did was to attach a 1.5" adjustable valve so I can regulate the amount of flow to a comfortable rate for the floor drain to handle.
What's nice about this is its not attached to the house system in any way, and if we ever move again (heaven forbid), I can simply chop up the PVC pipe and throw it away.
If you don't have a floor drain you could do something similar, like stacking multiple layers of drain pipe behind the machines to act as a holding tank as the main pipe slowly drains into your main drain system.
LINK: http://automaticwasher.org/TEMP/Floordrain.jpg
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Post# 41820-7/9/2004-22:34 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: Hi Glen, we're here to help. I drove from Minneapolis to Toledo to pick up my '47 Frigidaire. 654 miles, and worth every one for my beautiful '47.
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Post# 41821-7/9/2004-23:19 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: Plus, so many of the companies that made the major appliances we love so much, also made small appliances and electronic gear. So there's bound to be crossover.
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Post# 41822-7/9/2004-23:36 ||| lightedcontrols (Roanoke Virginia soon to be Wytheville Virginia)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: Yes, you were the other bidder and I was aware of it all along. You fooled no one. And according to ebay records, the screen name WAS created on 6/28/04. You were rude in your emails to me from the very beginning even though I TRIED to be nice to you. And yes, I kept the emails. If you could have afforded them, then YOU SHOULD have placed your top bid, but instead, you edged it on up. If you want the machines for the price they went for, then I will gladly sell them to you for that price. Otherwise, shut the hell up. You just drove up the price like the ahole that you are. Your bids served no purpose other than to make future sales WAY overpriced. I don't play the game of bidding at the last minute like the little boys with no balls do. I don't play those games. And yes, I do color you stupid. You've done NO service to the REAL classic appliance collectors and your confession as an afterthought does in no way make it right. I will no longer lower myself to even to reply to your innane explanations. I was not bidding against our members of the club, as I NEVER bid against one of our members, if I am aware that they want a machine, I was bidding against the "Betty Crockers" that want to do their "new" home in retro and have NO CONCEPT OF WHAT THEY ARE BIDDING ON. So far as this is concerned, this in my final word on the entire matter. I have an extra Kelvinator washer that you could have had, if you had at least been decent. As members of the club will tell you, I have given LOTS of machines to members that want them, if I have an extra, if they want to pick them up or pay for the shipping, but not to you, EVER. Mark
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Post# 41823-7/9/2004-23:41 ||| CleanteamofNY (Brooklyn, NY)
SUBJECT: RE: Anyone want a beat-up Bendix? (lots of work but could be worth it)
MESSAGE: Hey Glen, we do travel some distance to pickup new toys!
Two months ago, I've traveled to Yorkville, IL. for an Montgomery Ward wringer washer.
:-))
Start: Brooklyn, New York
End: Yorkville, Illinois
Total Distance: 834.7 Miles
Estimated Total Time: 12 hours, 26 minutes
And let me tell you that it is worth the trip!
When I get my digital camera fixed, I will post the photos.....
Larry
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Post# 41824-7/9/2004-23:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (Missing Westys)
MESSAGE: I bet they're being used in a TV or movie shoot
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Post# 41825-7/9/2004-23:52 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: I would like Robert Seeger to share his feelings on this. I was under the impression that it was ok to talk vintage electronic equiptment,as Robert started the thread. If it is not,just let us know.No hard feelings with me,either way.
Thank you,
Rick Reader
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Post# 41826-7/9/2004-23:55 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (Missing Westys)
MESSAGE: Just like the WO-65 Frigidaires on Mona Lisa Smile...love the way she flung open the cabinet and revealed them. :)
As a sidenote...the most common Unimatic seems to be the WO-65 (as well as the WO-65-2). So far I've seen 2 WO-65's on eBay, which were the only Unimatics I've seen there for now, and every Frigidaire collector seems to have one...
--Austin
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Post# 41827-7/9/2004-23:56 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE:
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Post# 41828-7/9/2004-23:58 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Nepturne, Harmony, or even Hettie set)
MESSAGE: that's way more than enough $ even for THOSE expensive sets
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Post# 41829-7/10/2004-00:06 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: Here's my view on the situation: Honestly I don't believe in bidding against other Applianceville members on eBay, and so far, that hasn't happened, not even accidentally...
If someone wants the Frigidaire Bellows Pliers, the Bendix Deluxe, or the Kenmore BD Repair Manual and they bid first, I go ahead and let 'em win it! If I bid first and an Applianceville member outbids me and knows it, then I will let them know!
--Austin
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Post# 41830-7/10/2004-00:07 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Commercial Machine Anyone??)
MESSAGE: A used commercial W/D set is what I had in mind, with a large, water-guzzling washer-extractor...
--Austin
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Post# 41831-7/10/2004-02:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Sewer overload
MESSAGE: If the line to the new room is the standard 4 inch sewer line that a toilet normally drains into, than I can't imagine there being any problem. I've seen what they have in laundramats, and they usually have 4 machines draining into 1 large standpipe that's at least 3 inches, if not 4. And you would probably have to plan for them to al be draining at the same time, since wash times vary among machines. Worst case scenario, just make sure they don't all drain at the same time.
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Post# 41832-7/10/2004-02:35 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Philco Bidding war)
MESSAGE: Well, at least it wasn't someone bidding just for the fun of jacking up the price.
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Post# 41833-7/10/2004-02:45 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (Oh, jeeze, hard feelings :-))
MESSAGE: Oh, jeeze, hard feelings, just what we needed :-(
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Post# 41834-7/10/2004-03:10 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: So if I'm interested in an item, and a known App'ville member, a "real" collector, has bid on it, I can't? Really?
ALL of Mark's bids were placed before mine. His last bid on the washer was on 7/7 at 8 AM. My first bid was on 7/7 at 1:30 PM. The high bid showing before my first was $1125. After mine, $1525. Mark's high at that point was obviously more than $1500, but no way to know how much more. It could have been $2050. It could have been $2400. It could have been $3400. I could have bid $4500 or $5000 on the washer, but I didn't want to go that high. Obviously. I stopped at $3500.
It wouldn't have made any difference if my first bid on 7/7 was $3500 instead of $1500. The outcome would have been the same. It just would have happened at 1:30 PM on 7/7 instead of at 1:15 AM on 7/9. Mark's highest bid was never exceeded, and it was posted BEFORE ANY OF MINE. Either he was expecting to go up against other bidders and was prepared for it, or he *wasn't* expecting any other bidders and thought an extremely high bid would be safe. Who knows. . .
I'm tempted to take Mark's offer to buy the pair from him at the final eBay price, but he had already bid more than that TWO DAYS EARLIER. He won the sale by high bid. And this is my fault??? I stopped bidding when I reached the maximum with which I was comfortable, 10 hrs before the sale ended. Quit. Give up. Concede defeat.
I'll spend my money on a nice new Fisher & Paykel Intuitive Eco washer and SmartLoad dryer.
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Post# 41835-7/10/2004-03:17 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: Mark, I am not going to get in the middle of this whole Philco laundry pair escapade. Quite frankly I am so sick of hearing about it I could spit up. I think everyone needs to take a step back and be happy that the machines will be preserved, and nevermind the rest. That is between the seller and buyer.
Similarly, whatever has gone on between you and Glenn good or bad is and should have stayed between you and Glenn. I've only met you once Mark and I think you're a nice person and good steward to the club. I know Glenn a little better and count him amongst my personal friends. He is a "big boy" and doesn't need the likes of me to defend him, but that doesn't mean I'm going to just sit idly by when someone is being openly and publicly disrespectful toward someone I care about. I think you've done a grave disservice both to Glenn as a fellow club member and human being, and for that matter, to yourself, for trashing him in public the way you have here, and for that I think you owe Glenn an apology, as well as the other clubmembers, for dragging us all through it.
I am far from perfect and I've gone on evil tirades in my life with the best of them, and believe me you always live to regret it, because unfortunately it's the negative that always tends to stick in people's minds the longest. That's not a fun place to be, and I've worked long and hard to overcome such traits, and I hope you won't allow yourself to be sucked in by them yourself.
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Post# 41836-7/10/2004-04:36 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (in the middle of)
MESSAGE: Too late, you just did....
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Post# 41837-7/10/2004-06:58 ||| mathewhebailey0 (port arthur tx)
SUBJECT: 1960's Seeburg home stereo consoles
MESSAGE: Seesburg,a coin operated jukebox manufacturer also in the late 1960's used to make home stereo consoles as well as the record changer only versions of them. These used a 12 inch 33 rpm version of their Select-O-Matic jukebox record changers which played 50 records vertically on both sides. Unlike the single motor jukebox versions the carriage uses two motors,one for transfer & scan,the other for the turntable.
Anyone that has one of these & wants to fix it,try the Yahoo group Seeburg Jukebox Information Club by searching Yahoo groups for Seeburg.
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Post# 41838-7/10/2004-07:11 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: "...he *wasn't* expecting any other bidders and thought an extremely high bid would be safe..."
This is obviously what happened, otherwise Mark wouldn't be complaining and blaming the high end price on you.
"So if I'm interested in an item, and a known App'ville member, a "real" collector, has bid on it, I can't? Really?"
Forget what I mentioned as well as the bidding against other Applianceville members rule here, but notify the current App'ville high bidder by email first. You and Mark did have some contact by email throughout the auction.
"He won the sale by high bid. And this is my fault???"
I don't think *anybody* is at fault here. Bidding wars happen all the time, some between Applianceville members, and many with different outcomes than others.
"I'll spend my money on a nice new Fisher & Paykel Intuitive Eco washer and SmartLoad dryer."
Wouldn't a Unimatic be much better? :)
--Austin
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Post# 41839-7/10/2004-07:17 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD
MESSAGE: I apologize. I obviously spoke up way too soon in post #41829.
--Austin
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Post# 41840-7/10/2004-09:32 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: IT'S AN AUCTION!
MESSAGE: I am so confused about what is causing such harsh feelings?
Seems to me Glen is over it and his explination of his biddings are very honest and fair,and simple. Mark has said that he would sell them to Glen for the winning eBay price, in what I believe is his way of being fair to him.
I ALWAYS keep my mouth shut, even to the seller when an eBay item that I am interested catches my eye. Then BANG, I get the item at the last few seconds by bidding what I feel is the most I will pay for the item. This way the price does not inch up during the auction. Often the other bidder thinks they have the item in the bag and it is all theirs. MANY times, I have recieved hate mail from people I don't know saying that I did something to them? How funny! It is how an auction runs! eBay sets the rules, you follow them in your own fashion. No person can break the rules. I think that if you feel that you should not bid on an item because another club member wants it, is your idea. I know that if I am selling something that I know is rare, and no one bids on it because they are being Nice to the other club member, I am gonna be a little ticked-off. I put things on eBay to make money. Bottom line.
I have also bid on things on eBay that I lost to a club member, and I never said one word to them and nor did they to me. What is there to say?
I am wondering about this senerio....
Let's say five club members go to and estate sale together and here is this Philco set in the basement. One person goes down to the basement and sees them, and notices the price for the SET is only $200. The seller is down there, and you pull out your money and pay them on the spot. Well, I think that everyone would be okay with that because you were the first to see it and pay for it. I know I would.
Now let's say that 2 of us go down there at the same time, and we both see it. We talk about both being interested in it, and we decide to flip a coin on it. That is fair right? I'll just come over to your house all the time to wash in them if I loose.
I would find it very hard to think that instead of the coin tossing that we would end up in the front yard fist fighting until the cops were called. Or would we? (Robert's evil laugh)
That is the beauty of an auction. I think it is very simple and fair. If it is too much money, then you let it go.
Let's pretend a woman in NY has won the Philco set that has never even heard of this club. Will we just say "wow, who is she"?, Or will we talk bad about her because she had the money to win it, causing the price of the auction to go up?
I have talked with the seller of these Philco's by email and am so happy for her. She really needs the money. She just moved into this home that needed tons of work. (Yes, the owners left these beauties behind when they sold the house) She feels like this is a God's send, and I am so happy for her.
Brent
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Post# 41841-7/10/2004-09:57 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: Detergents(calcium buildup)
MESSAGE: I want to ask anyone out there if they ever had calcium buildup from Arm&Hammer laundry detergent?
I noticed with our last washer the holes in the basket were becoming plugged up by what i thought was hard water.It never happened on any of our other washers until we used A&H with the previous washer.
I was going through the archives and i saw mention that this detergent causes calcium buildup.I have swithched back to Tide and will pay the extra amount for it if it means i will not experience these problems.
The laundry was coming out wetter and the buildup becomes rock hard and very tedious to try and remove.
Does anyone know which detergents have the potential for this problem?
Thanks
Pat
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Post# 41842-7/10/2004-10:02 ||| Brent-Aucoin (Atlanta, Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup) (Had this happen before)
MESSAGE: Hi Pat,
I have had this happen before in a top loader with A&M.
Especially if I was using it in a cold wash. Would sometimes find it in the tub in a "snowflake" type look even after the rinse.
Brent
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Post# 41843-7/10/2004-10:11 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup) (Had this happen before)
MESSAGE: Hi Brent,thanks for the reply.I think the regulator for the hot water on our last WP was faulty,the water from the tap came out strong but would trickle into the tub if you chose a hot wash.
I often used cold water and that probably contributed to the buildup.Sometimes i would see chunks of A&H floating in the water.Those deposits become cement like.
I like the quick dissolve Tide I am now using,plus the fact the new machine has ATC. Hopefully i won't experience this problem again.
Pat
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Post# 41844-7/10/2004-10:24 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (in the middle of)
MESSAGE: I did nothing of the sort. The subject matter could have been anything, and I have not spent the entire week beating dead horses, back seat driving and second guessing people's decisions like some folks around here have. I have not said a word about that particular subject the entire seeming eternity it has been going on. However, if I feel a friend is being treated poorly, I am going to say something.
The bottom line is Glenn did not deserve that public dressing down, I don't care what the situation was or wasn't, and if I feel a friend has been treated poorly, I can express that without passing judgment on the cause or subject of the rift. The two of them can move on and make nice with one another or not, but that's their own affair and it doesn't need to be broadcast for all the world to see, especially in that fashion.
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Post# 41845-7/10/2004-10:33 ||| westytoploader (Texas)
SUBJECT: RE: IT'S AN AUCTION!
MESSAGE: Mainly the harsh feelings were, in my opinion, caused by the final price, and the fact that Mark thought Glenn tried to drive up the price, when he actually wanted the machines. Glenn emailed me some time back, way before this auction started, and explained how he was VERY impressed with the Flex-A-Wash agitator when Philco machines were in existence. His honesty about being the 2nd bidder paid off, even though Mark still wasn't very happy about it. After what Brent explained, I'm happy for the seller.
The auction's over guys. We all really need to move on and stop dwelling on the subject. If you want to talk about the aesthetics/features of the Philcos, that's fine, just stop arguing.
--Austin
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Post# 41846-7/10/2004-11:25 ||| alr2903 (new orleans)
SUBJECT: POD whirlpool
MESSAGE: Robert is the POD whirly combo, the exact one you have? You do have some very nice things. Thanks again for all those that share pics. alr2903
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Post# 41847-7/10/2004-12:05 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup)
MESSAGE: Detergent does not cause calcium build-up. The LACK of detergent causes calcium build-up.
What you get with A&H is a reaction between the baking soda, washing soda and minerals in the water. I have seen this happen many times when people use cold water and or not enough detergent to sequester the minerals in the water.
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Post# 41848-7/10/2004-12:23 ||| DADoES (Suthern Tejas)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup)
MESSAGE: LOL, so I guess it was a GOOD thing when I threw five or seven scoops (whatever it was) of A&H into my F&P for a suds test.
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Post# 41849-7/10/2004-12:43 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup)
MESSAGE: Ahh,....I see said the blind man:)
Thank you Jason.
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Post# 41850-7/10/2004-13:08 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RCA Whirlpool
MESSAGE: So what was with the RCA/Whirlpool relationship? Did RCA actually OWN all or part of Whirlpool? Was it just a marketing agreement?
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Post# 41851-7/10/2004-13:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup) (Arm & Hammer )
MESSAGE: liquid or powder?
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Post# 41852-7/10/2004-13:27 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup) (Arm & Hammer )
MESSAGE: Mostly powdered,but sometimes the liquid.I was using liquid in winter.Our washer is in the basement and northeast winters make our cold water very cold.
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Post# 41853-7/10/2004-13:40 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup) (cold, cold water)
MESSAGE: Sounds like you need ATC (which, of course, is only on newer washers) or one of those mixing valves that mixes a little hot water into the cold water to bring it up at least into the above 60 degree range.
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Post# 41854-7/10/2004-13:52 ||| agiflow-action (Iselin,NJ)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup) (cold, cold water)
MESSAGE: The new KM i purchased last year has the ATC.The old washer was a BOL WP.
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Post# 41855-7/10/2004-14:07 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Detergents(calcium buildup)
MESSAGE: It takes 1 1/2- 2 scoops of A&H to get the same water softening/sequestering effect with my water. It only takes one scoop of Tide or Gain to get the same thing.
I do like the A&H because I don't get Suds Lock in the Belch Drives but I don't want the build up and it's not cost effective to add more detergent vs the price of other detergent and an extra rinse. Although Gain W/ Bleach is now lower sudsing so I'm happy with that.
I was so happy when Cheer came out with the Fresh Linen flavor I bought a 60 load box. However it too takes 1 1/2 scoops and the clothes still look dingy. So back to the regular stuff.
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Post# 41856-7/10/2004-15:56 ||| Maytag.man (Franklin, Ohio)
SUBJECT: Easy washer hoses
MESSAGE: Does anyone know where I can get the hoses for an Easy Spin-drier washer? The two small hoses underneath the machine? Thanks, Don
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Post# 41857-7/10/2004-16:02 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: My bad on EBAY date
MESSAGE: Hi,
Yes DaDOES, I was incorrect. I mis-read the registration date.
The rest is between you and Mark.
I know other members are really more concerned about the big picture, the cost of acquiring machines in the future. No lectures on free markets, etc. needed.
This is an event that, for good or bad, requires us to pause and re-evaluate what our collections are worth, and what the cost of future additions will be.
I collect cars, jukeboxes, and home stereo equipment also. I am well aware of what prices are for this stuff, as there is more of it around and many price guides to reference.
That is why this site is so important. It is one of the few places we can chat about this hobby.
So, sorry for the mistake, and the rest is for you and Mark to work out.
Thanks,
MK in LBC
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Post# 41858-7/10/2004-16:06 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: Sewer line
MESSAGE: Hi,
The replies to my sewer question were spread around so I created a new thread.
My house of course has a 4" line. My detached garage has a 3" line. The cost to add a 4" line from my new laundry/game room is about $5,000.
There will not be a drain in the floor.
I was just curious what others have encountered using their machines. I doubt all 3 sets would drain at once, but two is more likely.
Thanks for your input.
MK in LBC
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Post# 41859-7/10/2004-16:09 ||| lbcarguy (Long Beach, CA)
SUBJECT: RE: 1960's Seeburg home stereo consoles
MESSAGE: Hi,
Always Jukin in Seattle may have service manuals for the console units.
These consoles appear on ebay from time to time. A pretty cool way to play records.
I don't have one of these, yet.
MK in LBC
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Post# 41860-7/10/2004-16:38 ||| goatfarmer (South Bend Indiana)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA Whirlpool
MESSAGE: I'm not sure,but I know they had a relationship for a lot of years.Now RCA is an inexpensive GE brand(or at least it was).
kenny GF
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Post# 41861-7/10/2004-16:56 ||| HQOTS (Georgia)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line
MESSAGE: I have 3 that drain into a 2 inch system about 10 feet long, than into the 3in sewer line. I've never had a problem with overflow but then I planned the system with the minimal number of 90 degree elbows as possible. If you need to use 90's try to use two 45's.
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Post# 41862-7/10/2004-17:17 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (3 inch line)
MESSAGE: I assumed that the new room would get a new line,since it's going to be in a different spot than the old garage but you planned to use the old 3" line? Still a couple of options, you could have 2 machines drain into standpipes and 1 into a laundry tub which would slow things down enough. And, of course, you can always just be sure to stagger them so they drain no more than 2 at a time. I can say up front KM's have a 14 minute Cotton/Sturdy wash with a 2 minute pumpout. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the GE's I remember had 12 minutes washes, never calculated how long it took for all the water to empty once the spin drain started. So on that basis, the GE would've started spinning and finished draining just as the KM would go into the neutral drain, assuming both started at the same time on the longest cycle. The possibilities are endless :-)
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Post# 41863-7/10/2004-17:20 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: RCA Whirlpool (GE/RCA)
MESSAGE: The deal was that when Thomson Electronics of France bought RCA and GE's electronics business, Thomson got the rights to use the RCA name forevermore, but they could only use the GE name for a limited time, I think it was 5 years.
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Post# 41864-7/10/2004-17:27 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (3"
sewer line)
MESSAGE: The pipes you can actually see in the garage are 3", but are you sure the actual underground line you can't see is only 3"?
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Post# 41865-7/10/2004-17:27 ||| drmitch (Tennessee)
SUBJECT: RE: My bad on EBAY date
MESSAGE: Just to keep things on appliances, I know Benxix is also in the auto parts bussiness(I worked in autoparts 10yr)and speaking of cars, what kind do you collect? I am also a car nut!
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Post# 41866-7/10/2004-18:30 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (3 inch line)
MESSAGE: I believe GE's drain is supposed to be about 75 seconds. I know because I have had GE's with streched cable suspensions which made the inner tub too close to the outer tub at the bottom causing a slow drain (similar to suds lock I think). I remember reading that for a GE the drain should be 75 seconds. You timed the drain and if it was too long the cables were streched. Checking a service manual would tell exactly how long the drain should be. I know it was slightly different for each machine depending on the capacity.
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Post# 41867-7/10/2004-22:28 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: Hi Rick,
I’m confused now, exactly which thread are you referring to that I started? Lets face it, the main reason were all here is our love for vintage automatic washers. But I love vintage TV’s too, and have spent many hours with an antique TV and soldering iron. Personally I think a thread on some vintage household related product is just fine now and then, like the thread about BW/Color TV that we just had. But I would hate to see them take center stage over washing machines, dryers and dishwashers.
I think the problem is two fold we really need to convert Applianceville over to a threaded style posting system, so posts that some are not interested in can be easily skipped and ignored. Then at the same time have separate areas to segregate posts without going overboard and attracting a lot of new, non washer memberships. I‘ll be working on that over time, hopefully this will help, but its not going to be quick. Any other suggestions and feedback from Applianceville members will certainly be appreciated.
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Post# 41868-7/10/2004-22:30 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (Missing Westys)
MESSAGE: A new Movie shoot is right on! The westy's are going to come home wearing sunglass on their foreheads and saying Dahhhling alot.
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Post# 41869-7/10/2004-22:44 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (Missing Westys)
MESSAGE: Gotta be a "Green Acres" movie!
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Post# 41870-7/10/2004-22:49 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: IT'S AN AUCTION! (If it comes to fisticuffs)
MESSAGE: Very well said Brent, thank you, lots to think about in those few paragraphs you wrote.
By the way if it does happen to come to fisticuffs on the front lawn of the estate sale where another Philco set is found may I please insert the Batman and Robin color fight scene balloons…
"POW!" "BOP" "BANG" "THWAK!" and "THUD"
Please, please
Insert evil laugh here :)
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Post# 41871-7/10/2004-22:53 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD whirlpool
MESSAGE: Hi Alr2903, yup that my exact combo, the 1958 Whirlpool. I found it at an estate sale about 4 years go. Scott55405 can tell you about helping me (along with a ex boyfriend) schlepp that 355 pound monster up a narrow staircase with a landing and turn in the middle of it, oy. But it works great now, its a wonderful machine, I'm very lucky to have it.
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Post# 41872-7/10/2004-22:55 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (Missing Westys)
MESSAGE: Nope, that would need a pink Maytag combo for that.
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Post# 41873-7/10/2004-23:41 ||| upanddown (san diego)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (interesting MK)
MESSAGE: "Please, lets be adults." Interesting perspective there MK, sure doesn't explain why you were such an a** when I got that 63 Kenmore set. Guess we all feel the need to give out counsel when we aren't actually involved huh? Keep philosophizing, I’m sure really you're a great guy.
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Post# 41874-7/10/2004-23:44 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread-peacock logos)
MESSAGE: Hi Robert,
It was the link from you with the peacock logos that started it out.I made comments about my parents first color sets,and it just went on from there.I was suprised so many members shared my love for vintage Magnavox products.It was really great to share thoughts on the vintage electronic equiptment.I guess some of us guys don't consider electronic equiptment to be an appliance,but they were sold WITH all the other other appliances when they were new.I realize that this is really mainly an automatic washer web site,and I love and respect that.But it is somewhat refreshing to share thoughts and memories of vintage Eames era everyday household goods once in a while.
By the way,when I was in high school I worked for an appliance store.The older guys that worked there always refered to washers,dryers,friges,freezers,and dishwashers as "white goods".
Thanks for all you do to make this web site a favorite for so many people.
Rick Reader
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Post# 41875-7/10/2004-23:53 ||| rickr (Fort Wayne)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (interesting MK)
MESSAGE: No scratching or hair pulling allowed.I am SURE there are enough vintage washer and dryer sets to go around.
By the way,I paid $10.00 each for my 1965 Kenmore 800 set in torquoise. They were at an outdoor church sale a year and a half ago.Find the good stuff yourself guys.Thats part of the fun.Shut eBay off and go out and get them.Make friends with other members and offer a trade,instead of insulting each other.After this last deal it will be the best buy you ever got! (:
Peace,
Rick
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Post# 41876-7/10/2004-23:59 ||| Notafixer (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (interesting MK)
MESSAGE: so rick, what was the point of bragging about how YOU paid for them? get real.
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Post# 41877-7/11/2004-00:10 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Begone the White Monster (MWA-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha)
MESSAGE: For me on west coast it is still Saturday night. As if you were watching over my shoulder this morning. Start every Saturday eating big bowl of cereal watching “Road Runner” cartoons followed by “Soul Train”.
Oh, thank you for much need laughter. The very idea “Acme Modern Appliance Launcher”. Brilliant! Just brilliant. Sound effect too? Sure could have used Acme’s service over the years.
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Post# 41878-7/11/2004-00:36 ||| partycycle (San Diego)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line
MESSAGE: Hat eo say it that your detached garage was not code. Not certain were you live. Each state has unique code laws. Kitchen and bathromm sinks have 4' which drains immediately into minium 'black pipe" sewer 5 inches and then to in urban loactions usually beneath the street.
I wish you good luck with such an undertaking. Suggest. Give it try. One machine. Something about want/need to oprate all at same time. Oh, how we are same page. Any operating one at time could drain sufficiently. Save the $5K. Just discussing this brings back nightmares. A couple years ago. Well wish my bill had been estimated at $5K. 140 feet sewer replaced. Destroy front & back yard both 80'. Pouring rain each day. Checing in, sinking in mud. Looks like another $5K and another and another.
I think you will succeed with 3' line and operating one machne. Hope so. Let us know?
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Post# 41879-7/11/2004-01:21 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: Hmmm, didn't I tell at the beginning that a threaded style system would be better?
OK, you may slap me now if you can reach across the big pond!! LOL
Louis
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Post# 41880-7/11/2004-01:45 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: POD whirlpool
MESSAGE: Yes indeed, that was quite an interesting move. All I remember thinking is that they had gotten it down that basement (the original owner's) somehow all those years ago, so one way or another we would get it back up again. I think we had to remove the back door and the railings off the basement steps. But it is a beautiful machine and very interesting to see the insides of and how it works.
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Post# 41881-7/11/2004-01:50 ||| scott55405 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, may we say that you have the most delightful sense of humour!
QEOM
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Post# 41882-7/11/2004-02:07 ||| foraloysius (Groningen, The Netherlands, Europe)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: Your Majesty, we humbly thank you for your compliments!
QLOTOC
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Post# 41883-7/11/2004-02:52 ||| FIXERMAN (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: As she stood there watching the slow approach of a million icy fingers slithering up the valley, the Comtesse pondered the news that the crazed servant had delivered her. The Viscount DeLirium had sent notice that Queen Audacious had bestowed upon the Comtesse the highly coveted QEOM award - the highest humanitarian award in the nation - due to DeSpair's contribution to the Library Eclectica of a hundred priceless ancient Illuminati manuscripts.
Is this what QEOM means. Whats up with you guys anyway. Why the secret code?
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Post# 41884-7/11/2004-04:00 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (Green Acres Maytag combo)
MESSAGE: Of course WE know it was a pink Maytag combo, but you know how much "license" the producers take with these TV show movie re-makes.
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Post# 41885-7/11/2004-04:21 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: Sewer line (Sewer line)
MESSAGE: Actually, If it's anything like the NEC (National Electric Code), there'a minimum code that is set and everyone follows nationally, but a municipality can set STRICTER standards if it wants. For example, I live in Los Angeles, which required RIGID conduit for electrical wiring back into the Teens when most places still allowed knob and tube wiring. Very labor intensive, basically WAS "plumbing". It's nice now in that even older homes are easily converted to grounded systems by simply changing out the old two prong outlets for modern 3 prong ones. L.A. didn't allow flexible "Romex" type wiring until the 60's. On the other hand L.A., allows the neutral and ground to be connected together at the fuse/breaker panel. That is then connected to the water piping or a ground stake AND also carried back to the power line. Therefore, electric ranges and dryers are grounded through the neutral pin of the plug whereas other locations require that the ground and the neutral be carried seperately, requiring 4 pin plugs and outlets for these appliances. And, of course, things change over time. 3" into 4" pipes may have been "code" at the time the house was built, but not now.
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Post# 41886-7/11/2004-05:28 ||| angus (Fairfield, CT.)
SUBJECT: RE: $5325 Sets A RECORD (interesting MK)
MESSAGE: Interesting point and a good one at that. Makes sense to me.....
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Post# 41887-7/11/2004-07:09 ||| lesto (Atlanta)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (Missing Westys)
MESSAGE: If it's not "Green Acres" then it must be "The Tallulah Bankhead Story" because she's the only other actress I know of besides Eva Gabor who said "dahhhhhhling!"
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Post# 41888-7/11/2004-08:52 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: Frigidaire POD
MESSAGE: So does anybody here actally HAVE a set of these baby Frigidaires? What kind of agitation did the washer use?
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Post# 41889-7/11/2004-08:54 ||| kenmore1978 (Los Angeles)
SUBJECT: RE: What happen to the '55 Westys (dahhhling)
MESSAGE: Well, there is Eva's sister, Zsa Zsa
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Post# 41890-7/11/2004-09:24 ||| COLDSPOT66 (Plymouth, Mass)
SUBJECT: RE: Frigidaire POD
MESSAGE: This washer uses the one piece agitub; same mechanism as the Laundry Center. Very unique pulley and cable drive system. it holds a decent size load for a compact, has an overflow rinse, but no rapidry. The dryer doesn't hold as much; a so-so performer.
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Post# 41891-7/11/2004-10:16 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: Hi Everyone Photos Up at new site
MESSAGE: HI Everyone I just sent my photo album to Robert to post for the club. It should appear next to Loius since I wanted to be sandwiched between HIM & Greg! YAY!
Enjoy! Jetcone
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Post# 41892-7/11/2004-11:37 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everyone Photos Up at new site
MESSAGE: Wonderful Jon - is the green GE combo downstairs up and running? Your ABC-O-Matics are to die for! You did a great job on the pics - love the Vita Mix appearances too, where did you hide the rest of them?
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Post# 41893-7/11/2004-11:40 ||| gansky1 (Omaha, NE)
SUBJECT: RE: POD whirlpool
MESSAGE: It's intimidating to stand in front of, I can't imagine moving it. Remember the 57 Lady Kenmore combo we found at a sale several years ago up there? We debated the move and decided it was too difficult with the rickety wooden stairs and turns... My '53 Duomatic took three of us to move downstairs - what a job!
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Post# 41894-7/11/2004-12:07 ||| Jetcone (Boston.MA)
SUBJECT: RE: Hi Everyone Photos Up at new site
MESSAGE: Greg What other Vita Mixers could you be speaking of?? Thank you for the kudos! Both Combos are now running again so we are a 3 combo household again! Robert just made me add more-- the upstairs combo and the KD-14 take a peek! I got yelled at for a dirty dishwasher!
jet
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Post# 41895-7/11/2004-12:26 ||| Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)
SUBJECT: RE: Our Knowledge (Common thread)
MESSAGE: I agree with Scott, your Majesty, may we say that you have the most delightful sense of humour!
And yes I can reach across the POND for a slap