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Post# 185413   1/24/2007 at 09:17 (6,273 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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Yesterday,our Maytag rep.visited us to show the new line of Maytag washers and dryers.The top loaders will be direct drive with stainless steel tubs and the lower models will come with plastic (polypropoline)tubs.They will also have their line of the "Cabrio"washers and dryers as well as a Maytag version of Whirlpool's "Sport"and "Duet"front loaders abit less generic than the current ones are.The top loaders should arive at The Home Depot around 02/10/07 and the others arond 04/01/07.The timer dials on the Maytags have been relocated to the center again except the Admiral line which looks identical to the Roper line.




Post# 185414 , Reply# 1   1/24/2007 at 09:19 (6,273 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Chuck,

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Thanks for the update. Are there any pics available?


Post# 185421 , Reply# 2   1/24/2007 at 10:39 (6,273 days old) by westytoploader ()        
Thanks Chuck for the update

I will be anticipating their arrival. Very interesting (and good!) that the dial has been relocated to the center again. Will definitely take some getting used to for those of us who have seen and used real Maytags. Seeing the familiar name but then opening the machine up to find the familiar direct-drive tub with a Dual-Action or Surgilator inside will be too strange!

Any news on the fate of the existing Norgetags? I know that even though some of the new Amana models are DD, they haven't phased out the others with the Atlantis/Performa design yet...


Post# 185434 , Reply# 3   1/24/2007 at 11:38 (6,273 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Such a travesty...

Maytag, Admiral, Whirlpool, Kenmore, Roper, Inglis and Amana are all the same machines mechanically.

Such a shame...

Can't wait to see how way out the next washer issue of Consumer Reports will be.


Post# 185444 , Reply# 4   1/24/2007 at 12:10 (6,273 days old) by llmaytag (Southern California)        
Ugh!

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Sounds like they are abandoning the Maytag design. No more swirl-away, no more two belt systems. Very sad.

Post# 185469 , Reply# 5   1/24/2007 at 13:35 (6,273 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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Not all of the new Maytag TL units will be center dials. The lower models available to me, from what I understand, will look more like the Amana DD models with a side timer control & porcelain tubs & tops. The more deluxe SS tubs will have the center control. The Cabrio washer I believe will be called Bravos. In another nice move these will only be available at Home Depot & select Maytag home centers. Hopefully we independent dealers that supported Maytag through thick & thin will get a chance to sell some of these models while they're still new & hot, not once the big boxes have moved on the next flavor of the month.

Post# 185755 , Reply# 6   1/25/2007 at 03:31 (6,272 days old) by agiflow ()        

I can't wait to see what these new machines will look like.

Post# 185761 , Reply# 7   1/25/2007 at 06:37 (6,272 days old) by magic clean ()        

"Maytag, Admiral, Whirlpool, Kenmore, Roper, Inglis and Amana are all the same machines mechanically.

Such a shame..."

Peter, I have to respond to this: From what we are hearing from the national dealer and service network, this is an anxiously awaited, welcomed change and relief.


Post# 185798 , Reply# 8   1/25/2007 at 08:45 (6,272 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

From a servicers point of view the more DD machines out there the better. Customers are always happy with them. They are very reliable. I agree they are not of the "old" Maytag standard but they sure are a lot better than some of the Maytag products lately. And when they do need a repair it's usually very reasonable. I would bet 90% of the laundry repairs I do (on a Whirlpool product) need a part that's less than $35. Plus the machines are very repair friendly (except tall tub dishwashers).
Ed


Post# 185807 , Reply# 9   1/25/2007 at 09:22 (6,272 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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I agree, a welcome change and relief from the below-par products Maytag has released over the last few years and the bad management decisions that plagued Maytag in their death throws.

OTOH, now there are less machines in the market that are not much different from eachother -- less competition, more choices of the same basically mechanical machine in more price ranges to confuse consumers.


Post# 186111 , Reply# 10   1/26/2007 at 01:23 (6,271 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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While I am an ardent fan of the traditional Maytag technology; with the motor, pump and drive pullies, all driven by two belts with the nice simple transmission...I have to acknowledge that it's dead and our family's LA511 is the last i'll ever see of it.
With that said, I know the WP DD system is extremely well recieved and is pretty much the "default" wash system of America today. That's not a bad thing. It's boring, sure. And as you recall, I LOATHE the neutral drain. With this standardization will come cheaper repairs and higher reliability due to scale. It's a bullet "resistant" design that has been fine tuned for a long time. I'll welcome it when it comes time for me to buy my first Maytag laundry set.

I'm extatic that WP has decided not to canibalize Maytag, but to lift it up as a premium brand and pump some of its heritage back into it with the reliability of the DD and the style of the center dial. Maytag is still a super premium brand and is used as an example regularly in some of my engineering classes still.
I can't wait to see the new machines.


Post# 186136 , Reply# 11   1/26/2007 at 07:14 (6,271 days old) by magic clean ()        

"OTOH, now there are less machines in the market that are not much different from each other -- less competition, more choices of the same basically mechanical machine in more price ranges to confuse consumers."

Well, the vast majority of consumers in todays marketplace, shopping for traditional deep fill agitator washers & dryers don't really care what makes them tick as long as it works. They expect features, price, capacity, attractive appearance and reliability (not necessarily in that order).

Over 82% of american homes have a washer, so most folks are very familiar with them and give laundry machines little thought except when they need attention or are in the market for a new one. The various brands & different models are featured and assorted differently, will be made available just like now through Big Box, Home improvement Mom & Pop stores, Home builders and Regional dealers. No different than now.


Post# 186161 , Reply# 12   1/26/2007 at 09:20 (6,271 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

I believe that another factor in so many machines with the same design is the efficiency standards for washing machines. There is only so much you can do with an agitator top loader to make it more efficient and the major factors are the water/hot water use and improved extraction. Whirlpool had to partner with Fisher-Paykel to get the more advanced design for a more efficient top loader because they needed it fast. I don't know that the debt that they have taken on is going to allow a whole lot of research into more radical designs, but there will be continuing improvements.

llmaytag, the swirl away draining has been eliminated from almost all new toploaders because they use a separate drain pump. The main motor no longer needs to be on to power the drain pump. Even General Electric top loading agitator washers now drain before the basket starts to spin. The newer non-agitator top loaders do not usually fill with enough water to make much of a difference between a spin drain and a neutral drain.

One quality feature that I hope will not be lost to the traditional top loader design is KitchenAid's 3 speed motor and larger, more gentle agitator with the lower number of oscillations per minute.


Post# 186241 , Reply# 13   1/26/2007 at 16:40 (6,271 days old) by rp2813 (Sannazay)        

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I'm willing to wager that somebody in product development at WP is going to schedule some brainstorming sessions where they'll uncover people's love of the Maytag brand, what they loved about it and why, the whole lonely repairman thing that worked so well for them (he's sure not lonely anymore, is he?) and they'll decide they need to pull Maytag out of the sewer and use that brand to their advantage. Currently they are making a mockery of it and I suspect WP hasn't even begun to assess the damage they are doing to themselves by ruining the Maytag brand.

Maybe they'll end up following the lead of companies like Chrysler and GM who have the retro PT Cruiser and HHR models (and let's not forget the Plymouth Prowler) and we'll see some kind of center-dial inspired DC Maytag back on the market before too long. They could do stupider things--as witnessed by what they did to the Maytag brand already. Things tend to come full circle, as the folks at AT&T can attest.


Post# 186273 , Reply# 14   1/26/2007 at 19:52 (6,271 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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SO FAR, I think Whirlpool has managed Maytag fine. It's been a very short period of time, and I like what's going on so far. It sounds, at least, that they're not going to be stupid enough to hurt the brand name.

Post# 186292 , Reply# 15   1/26/2007 at 21:12 (6,271 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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How many people have we run across who don't know what brands are their appliances? As has been said, many consumers are brand-blind. They just know it's a washing machine (or whatever type of appliance). Last summer I investigated a local ad for a washer, seller said it's a Maytag, but couldn't give me a model number being that the machine was in a storage unit. Upon going there for a look, I found it to be a Whirlpool.

I turned down a Maytag after questioning the seller enough to determine that it was an orbital tranny (not that there's anything wrong with an orbital tranny). I'm sure said seller was thinking what the hell difference does that make?

Those that do buy by brand often aren't *really* aware of the mechanical differences between one generation or design change to the next or machines of wildly-different design such as the Calypso or Harmony or Oasis/Cabrio, or different brands (Whirlpool/Kenmore/KitchenAid/Roper/Estate/Inglis) that are mechanically identical under-the-skirt. Many times I've read reviews on Epinions or rants on THS saying "I'll never buy another [insert brand here]" after experiencing trouble or dissatisfaction with one of the newfangled machines. Or "We had so much trouble with a Kenmore [direct-drive toploader] we got rid of it for a Whirlpool [direct-drive toploader]" .... clearly with the belief that the Whirlpool is a completely different animal.

Of course, that's where brand-damage comes in for those who are brand-aware, when a plastic GE or Maytag doesn't compare to the "old machine" that served reliably for so many years. Being that Whirlpool's direct-drive IS a proven, largely-reliable design, perhaps they can successfully recover any damage Maytag has suffered.

A coworker's mother was at the office last year, made a remark about going shopping for a new washer, "Probably the last one I'll ever have to buy at my age" (she's not *that* old!). I suggested she take a look at Lowe's for F&P. She pondered on it, but said "I've always bought Sears."

When I picked up my 906 pair, I asked the seller what brand and type of new machines she had selected. "Oh, a Maytag toploader, of course!"

Then there's the friend from whom I got an A206, who is so completely unaware of what the machine DOES throughout a cycle that he didn't realize his clothes hadn't getting washed at all for some period of time.


Post# 186295 , Reply# 16   1/26/2007 at 21:32 (6,271 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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I'm pretty excited for these new center dial Whirlpools!!! I think that it'll be neat to see them in stainless too, I wonder if they will change the perforation pattern for them.

Glenn, I totally get what ur saying about brand-concious people. SOOOO many people at school ask me about their Maytag Neptunes, they say, it's a Maytag, so it'll last 30 years right? I'm tell them, "HA you'll be lucky if you squeeze 10 years out of it!!!" And that always seems to shock them....


Post# 186339 , Reply# 17   1/27/2007 at 01:07 (6,270 days old) by agiflow ()        

I guess only time will tell what WP does with Maytag down the road. Remember if it was not for Maytag ruining themselves, WP would have not been in a postion to buy them up.

I do hope though, that the washers will be as Tomturbomatic pointed out made with the quality that the KA machines had.


Post# 186351 , Reply# 18   1/27/2007 at 03:16 (6,270 days old) by washoholic (San Antonio, TX)        
Glenn, you’re right about people being unaware of what’s goi

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They’re unaware about new VS. old, too.

My brother & his girlfriend of 4 years had the Maytag LAT9900 (Computer touch model before Maytag made the lid opening wider) that I bought my mom in Feb. 1991, but it was making some noise that only his girlfriend could hear, so it went to the curb.

My brother called me to “break the news to me” before I came for the holidays, but it was already gone. The only repair to that washer was a $6 siphon break (it goes on the fill nozzle) that I put on for him a few years ago when they noticed water on the floor of the laundry room. I did change both belts at the same time just for fun, but I didn’t tell them.

My brother said that they couldn’t justify fixing a 15 year old machine when they could buy a new GE for less than $300. They didn’t call because they knew I would have talked them into fixing the old Maytag, & besides, his girlfriend deserved to have a new machine (I moved to TX in July & they live in VA, so they couldn’t call me to fix it).

While I was visiting at the holidays, his girlfriend was washing a load in their new GE, so I grabbed a magnet from their frig (To trick the lid switch) & opened the GE to find that it had the straight-vain agitator and about 3 loads stuffed into it. There were shirts, jeans, towels, sheets, and the stuff on top wasn’t even wet. I just closed the lid and kept my mouth shut.

I asked them how they liked the GE. My brother said it was louder than the Maytag and didn’t seem to get the clothes as clean, & his girl friend agreed and said it doesn’t fit as many clothes as the Maytag did, but snidely added that the clothes did dry in less time using the GE washer.

I smiled & nodded, but I was thinking, yeah, it takes less time to dry because they’re not even getting wet, and yeah, she does deserve to have that GE; if you know what I mean.

The Maytag probably WAS making a noise if she put more clothes in it than the 3 loads she stuffed in the GE.

The good new is that my brother said that when they set the Maytag on the curb; it was gone the next morning before the trash people came. His girlfriend said she couldn’t imagine who would have wanted that old piece of junk. I’ll bet that old Maytag is still working the day they set that GE out to the curb.


Post# 186383 , Reply# 19   1/27/2007 at 09:13 (6,270 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

OMG!!!

Post# 186536 , Reply# 20   1/27/2007 at 21:32 (6,270 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Whirlpool did give Maytag the KitchenAid front load pair. I don't think that is treating Maytag too shabbily. I just wonder what is going to happen with the little Samsung-made front loading Maytag washer. Has anyone seen actual Samsung front load washers and dryers for sale under their own name anywhere in North America?

Post# 186549 , Reply# 21   1/27/2007 at 22:37 (6,270 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

Yes, in our local Best Buy.

Post# 186605 , Reply# 22   1/28/2007 at 01:58 (6,269 days old) by mavei511 ()        
Might this be what the nw Maytags will look like?

Found this on the Staber web site-looks like a modified Whirlpool dryer.

Post# 187074 , Reply# 23   1/29/2007 at 14:19 (6,268 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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I have a lower-model Maytag DD washer coming at the end of the week. It won't be a center-dial model. Those are not released yet. I'll be sure to post photos then.

Post# 187377 , Reply# 24   1/30/2007 at 09:24 (6,267 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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The Admiral and Amana washers will look just like the Ropers.They will have polypropeline tubs not porcelain.The tubs for Maytag will be the same as before,high end models will be stainless steel,step downs will be polypropeline.This information was gathered via laptop computer of our Maytag/Whirlpool rep.

Post# 187378 , Reply# 25   1/30/2007 at 09:36 (6,267 days old) by westytoploader ()        
Interesting...

Regarding the Admiral/Amana models resembling the Ropers...does this mean the DD design will be slightly modified on these machines, with the polypropylene tub, or will the Norgetag design remain? I'm curious to find out. Looking at the Amana website, however, it appears that the SS/poly tub models are still Norgetags, while the new porcelain tub models are DD.

Also, it seems Roper has changed their control panel colors once again, this time to a grayish theme. The knob centers and the timer dial now appear to be a "brushed stainless" of sorts. Perhaps they're trying to shed that BOL appearance?


Post# 187385 , Reply# 26   1/30/2007 at 10:18 (6,267 days old) by runematic (southcentral pa)        

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Maytag MTW5500TQ = spreckle-gray porcelain tub
Maytag MTW5600TQ = white porcelain tub
Maytag MTW5800TW = SS tub
Maytag MTW5900TW = SS tub

Amana NTW5500TQ = Natural gray porcelain tub
Amana NTW5700TQ = Natural gray porcelain tub
Amana NTW5800TQ = Natural gray porcelain tub

Magic Chef HTW4300TQ = poly tub
Magic Chef HTW4400TQ = natural grey porcelain tub

I was wrong earlier in the sense that all of these Maytag models will now be the Center dial design. I did not see a plastic tub Maytag listed in my info. Maybe that will be a Home Depot exclusive.



Post# 187480 , Reply# 27   1/30/2007 at 18:31 (6,267 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

I saw a MTW5700 today at a local dealer. It had a center timer dail. White porcelain basket. And a porcelain top and lid. The exact same top and lid as the upper model Kenmores (Elites). While the control panel seemed very well built(not tinny like most) it was very bland. All flat with basic round knobs.
The MTW5800 & MTW5900 (both SS baskets) are described as having "premium consoles" with "premium knobs".
And the 5900 has something called "smart controls".
It will be interesting to see.
ED


Post# 187506 , Reply# 28   1/30/2007 at 20:27 (6,267 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
Interesting.

What are the agitators in these new Maytag's like? Please please I hope its not a boring DAA spiral shape, though I dont mind the DAA in the Atlantis. Im sure Whirlpool could make a different agitator for the Maytag lineup.

Looking forward to pictures. :)



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