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Post# 187525   1/30/2007 at 22:12 (3,676 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        

I picked up one of these today.

There doesn't seem to be much information about it to be found on the internet. Seems like the only part available for it is the lower rack wheels.

Can anyone tell me anything about this dishwasher?
I plan to try it out tomorrow and will give you a report and some photos after I do.

It's a basic looking machine, but does have a rinse agent dispenser, and is stainless steel interior, with 2 wash arms and a spritzer on the top of the tank too.


Post# 187613 , Reply# 1   1/31/2007 at 10:13 (3,676 days old) by bleacho (new york)        

i purchased the bosch dishwasher last year, and i wasnt happy with its performance.. in addition, since i got it the stainless steel tub, after washing dishes, give off a terrible odor... i am tossing it out andordered a new kenmore double drawer dishwasher..
my old partner purchased a bosh as well, and had the same complaints as i.. not a wonderful performance over all and an odor..

Post# 187828 , Reply# 2   2/1/2007 at 06:22 (3,675 days old) by chachp (Conway, AR)        
My 3rd Bosch

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I am on my third Bosch dishwasher. Each time I move I have replaced what is there with a Bosch. I am very happy with the performance of mine. I noticed an odor only once and it had something to do with the soap I was using. I am now using Cascade Complete and have no longer noticed an odor.

Sorry to hear you don't like yours. I hope you like your double drawer. I hear people either love or hate them. I don't think it would work well for me because I wash lots of large pots and bowls.

Post# 187859 , Reply# 3   2/1/2007 at 10:38 (3,675 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        
Kenmore Double Drawer

Does anyone know who manufactures this machine for Kenmore?

I looked at it in Sears the other day and was very impressed with it.

Thanks! Scotty

Post# 187884 , Reply# 4   2/1/2007 at 12:54 (3,675 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Double Drawer

Sounds like an F&P dishdrawer.

Daddoes loves his, the Australian ones however are still plagued with problems, namely the lid seal, and a psychotic water pressure sensor.

Post# 187933 , Reply# 5   2/1/2007 at 15:17 (3,675 days old) by dadoes (TX,U.S. of A.)        

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The new Kenmore drawers are NOT sourced from F&P. As I understand, they are a new design developed by Maytag, initiated *before* the merge into Whirlpool, so Whirlpool gets the goodies as part of that deal, marketing them under the Kenmore Elite label.

There are two trim-lines. Double-drawers are available in either a low-line or a higher-line feature set. Singles have the higher-line features, including a Sensor Wash cycle. Both have an "upper" spray (instead of just an arm beneath the rack), which appears to be mounted near the top at the rear of the drawer. The deluxe model has a rotating upper spray similiar to the auger-deflector in the James dishwasher. Rack configuration is different than F&P.

The SaniRinse option reaches 154F. F&P is higher on the Heavy cycle, hitting 163F.

F&P uses their variable-speed SmartDrive motor to run the pump for both recirculate and drain, which allows different spray pressures. Kenmore uses a traditional one-speed recirculation pump motor (with soil grinder/filtration), and separate drain pump/motor.

Kenmore Elite Dishdrawer Drawers

Kenmore Elite Dishwasher Drawer brochure (.pdf file)

Post# 188047 , Reply# 6   2/1/2007 at 23:39 (3,674 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        

You know, every time I start a post lately, why is it that people start talking about appliances OTHER THAN what I start the thread to specifically address.

The same thing happened to my Maytag Dutch Oven thread when somebody came in and said _ Oh sure, but it's not as good as a Chambers.

Guys, PLEASE start your own threads to talk about your other appliances, and stop de-railing my threads. It's really wearin' on me. I asked specifically about THIS dishwasher, and I really could care less to hear about double drawers, or F&P dishwashers, or whatever. COULD WE PLEASE REMAIN FOCUSED?

The BOSCH works perfectly (in case anybody's interested) and I'm installing it tomorrow in place of an old Kitchen-aid KDC-15, which is plum wore out.

I Thank you all for your love and support.


Post# 188061 , Reply# 7   2/2/2007 at 00:26 (3,674 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

Bob, I apologize! Please relax!

Thanks, Scotty

Post# 188085 , Reply# 8   2/2/2007 at 07:24 (3,674 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Bob, if you could take pictures, I"m very curious what this model looks like outside an inside. Hugs, Bob

Post# 188089 , Reply# 9   2/2/2007 at 08:00 (3,674 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Bob - would like to see a picture of this new find. There was an older Bosch dishwasher at the Habitat store a while ago, I don't remember the model number now, but I couldn't find anything on it when I searched online a few months ago.

A picture might be worth a thousand "on track" words!

Post# 188109 , Reply# 10   2/2/2007 at 09:41 (3,674 days old) by mrboilwash (Munich,Germany)        

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Hi Bob,
As to the Bosch I can only say you will love it.
Can`t say much about the particular model number, because Bosch seems to bring out hundrets of slightly different models every year. A picture would be very interesting.
I have a Bosch myself and I am very pleased with it. It is super silent, cleans everything. It is the first DW I had, that even cleans pefectly in the corners of the upper basket, where the sprayarm doesn`t reach directly.
As to people changing the subject, I think you`re a bit overreacting. I don`t think anybody does it deliberately and in my opinion it`s just a part of any normal conversation and can make a thread even more interesting.
Please keep us informed about your new Bosch.

Post# 188156 , Reply# 11   2/2/2007 at 12:49 (3,674 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
photos of the BOSCH

Here's a few shots of the simple Bosch dishwasher.

One thing that stikes me as being different is the water inlet valve mounted on the front that actually accepts a standard high pressure hose (screw on type). I do have the brass elbow that also screws on there which adapts to the 3/8 flare fitting.

Post# 188157 , Reply# 12   2/2/2007 at 12:51 (3,674 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        

photo of the racks

Post# 188158 , Reply# 13   2/2/2007 at 12:52 (3,674 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
bottom of the tank

showing the heating element, filter screen, and wash arm

Post# 188159 , Reply# 14   2/2/2007 at 12:54 (3,674 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        

door closed, showing the simple timer knob, three cycle buttons,door latch actuator, and a power switch.

Post# 188161 , Reply# 15   2/2/2007 at 12:56 (3,674 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
in the studio

I call my basement the 'Forrest Cove Way Imperial Laundry Studio and Phonograph Archives'.

Post# 188163 , Reply# 16   2/2/2007 at 13:24 (3,674 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        

Hi! Your machine seems very differently built from those we get here in Europe... Anyway it seems an old model since the "venturi tube" on the upper rack disappeared years ago from Bosch (and Siemens as well) machines. Also the apparent water heater is no longer used for many years now and the bottom design (all metal and lack of "waterstop" on the inlet hose) make me think it's a special model. My three bosch have all a moulded plastic base which holds the circulating pump,the draining pump and several other circuitry, quite complicate to remove for servicing. I will try to see if I have your model or a similar one on one of my older Bosch catalogs.

Post# 188197 , Reply# 17   2/2/2007 at 17:17 (3,674 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

That's a pretty nice dishwasher.

Incidentally, you're not bad, yourself....

Post# 188200 , Reply# 18   2/2/2007 at 18:06 (3,674 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Very nice condition, Bob. Have you run it yet? It's very similar to the one I saw but lacking the hard water film and build up so common here.

Your studio looks great, but I won't change the subject ;-)

Post# 188213 , Reply# 19   2/2/2007 at 19:02 (3,674 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Bob, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!! for all the photos. Yuppers, that is quite an old one there, but WOW. It's good to see your studio. And I really am glad to see the sunny yellow westinghouse roll-out. I'd never seen one at all until I saw it when I was there in 2002. And I like your new look, slightly different than the last time I saw a pic of you--you handsome hot devil you. A gentle hug, Bob

Post# 188245 , Reply# 20   2/2/2007 at 22:15 (3,673 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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Thank you Bob for sharing the pictures. This must be a pre-1994 machine because in that year the heat exchanger and the flow through water heater were introduced. I don't exactly remember when the tall tub models were introduced, but I'm sure that was after 1988. So, it must be from 1989 - 1993. The only odd thing is that it looks like it has three cycles (?) which would make this a 3000 model instead of a 2000 model.



Post# 188267 , Reply# 21   2/3/2007 at 01:58 (3,673 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        

I put it in last night and my buddy loves it. It installed quite easily and will be far superior to the the old 1970 Kitchen-aid that came out. I did keep the stainless steel panels and the hydra-sweep wash arm from the old dishwasher, but the rest had to go.

The three cycles on the BOSCH are rinse & hold, normal wash, and pots & pans.

The machine certainly has held up well considering it is no less than 14 years & possibly up to 18 years old - that's impressive. Thank you, Louis, for providing that very helpful bit of information. There's hardly a speck on it inside or out, truthfully.

I hope you all can come and play with all my appliances & phonographs again next time we have a convention in the Washington D.C. area.

Thank you all for your help and flattering compliments. I guess this is just my winter look, Bob~!

Hugs from Hollywood,


Post# 188271 , Reply# 22   2/3/2007 at 04:44 (3,673 days old) by foraloysius (Groningen, the Netherlands)        

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You're welcome Bob. It looks indeed fabulous for it's age, inside and outside. Let us know how it works. And if it isn't too much, I would love a few pictures with a load of dishes.

Post# 188367 , Reply# 23   2/3/2007 at 21:42 (3,672 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

Bosch is the latest, greatest thing on the market around here (the dishwashers, not the washers).....they are very much in demand and all the dealers apparently are sold out....

Post# 188395 , Reply# 24   2/3/2007 at 23:50 (3,672 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
washing report

I checked with my friend today and he says he LOVES the machine and that the dishes just came out sparkling.

He said it was perfect, and that's about as good as you can get.

Louis - getting photos of it with dishes may take a short while as it's about an hour away from me in downtown DC now.

Oxydolfan - I don't know you, dude. Can you email me and fill me in - with a photo please. I actually find your posts a little un-settling, and don't think they add anything to any thread in which they appear. That's my opinion and i'm stickin' to it. You posted 4 times in the face thread without a single photo, for one perfect example.

Post# 188412 , Reply# 25   2/4/2007 at 01:46 (3,672 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

First of all....what is your damage anyway??

It's unsettling to you that I should post in this thread....when I've been posting here regularly for several months? Who are you to declare that my posts don't "add anything"?? What are you basing that on, exactly?

This is a MESSAGE BOARD, "dude" opposed to a singles bar or a church dinner. For your information, I do not as of yet have a camera, have NO photos of myself online (recently came out of an LTR), and am actually in the market for a camera.....but have been having difficulty going out to shop for FOOD for myself. I have been out of this house THREE times in two and a half weeks.

Forgive me for not making camera-shopping and cruising on websites a major priority.

Forgive me for not getting a haircut. Forgive the bags under my eyes, the sallow skin, the neon red nose.

Forgive me for having reservations about posting my photo on a meat market thread, one month after a prolonged, wrenching breakup of a twelve-year relationship.

Thanks for putting me into a situation where I have to reveal this vulnerability about myself, and making me feel further unwelcome. You're not the only one, but thanks for adding yourself to their number.

I'm very sorry you were creeped out by any comment I made. It's your damage....but I'll be sure not to be so presumptious in the future.

(You COUNTED my posts??? Erm....whatever.)

Consider yourself added to the growing list of freak jobs I've corresponded with here....

Post# 188415 , Reply# 26   2/4/2007 at 02:06 (3,672 days old) by agiflow (woodbridge/Iselin NJ)        

Just remember, friend. Seriously, joke.

Post# 188436 , Reply# 27   2/4/2007 at 09:18 (3,672 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        

If you want this thread to be about YOU now, man...o.k. it is.

Robert - and all you other unfortunate fellas reading this -

Let's have your feelings about oxydolfan and his posts, and how he's completely DERAILED my BOSCH thread, yet AGAIN. Everybody, let him know, please. I asked nicely to stay focused -without mentioning a name, and look at this attack upon me that has ensued.



Post# 188439 , Reply# 28   2/4/2007 at 10:02 (3,672 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Sweet Jesus know I read the posts here and if it does get off track what!! People do that and it doesnt harm anyone. Bobofhollywood if you get offended by people posting on "your" thread then maybe you shouldnt be posting anything if your panties are going to get into a bunch about it.
I think its rather petty when someone whines about a post getting off subject. Kinda pissed ooohh yeah I am and there was no reason at all to come off on someone. We all have our opinions here and like I said if it does get "off track" so be it.

Post# 188441 , Reply# 29   2/4/2007 at 10:05 (3,672 days old) by steved (Guilderland, New York)        
"Lord have mercy"

here we go........

Post# 188452 , Reply# 30   2/4/2007 at 12:20 (3,672 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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would anyone like some cake and coffee? I can also whip up a great meal that would be loaded into Bob's terrific Bosch dishwasher and see about a BobLoad for it.

Post# 188464 , Reply# 31   2/4/2007 at 13:09 (3,672 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
Similar to 80's hotpoints!

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Hi i regonise that style of dishwasher as similar to Hotpoint ones we had in the uk in the 80's and 90's and in fact both had a lot of siemens parts, i had one before up grading to an old Bendix , it had similar interior but with water softener. I got it at the rubbish dump for 5.00 in 2002 and ran it till last summer, it had started a little motor leak and the dteregent door did not always open automatically , incidently my old model was the one my cousin got in 1990 so it was getting on a bit. It worked very well and the only differnce the hotpoints had over bosh were a turn selector for wash temps, mine had rinse and hold,quick wash, economy 50, normal 65, intensive 65.

Post# 188465 , Reply# 32   2/4/2007 at 13:10 (3,672 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
inside shot

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see similar inside

Post# 188470 , Reply# 33   2/4/2007 at 13:46 (3,672 days old) by cbosch ()        
Dishwasher insides

Until redoing my kitchen I had a hotpoint dishwasher. It was bought by my parents and got thrown out still wrkin after 24 years reliable service. I know I should not have chucked it but parentswanted a hidden one to match the kichen. Got a siemens and has already broken down twice!! Although it is much quieter and I lke it also. My hotpoint had a brown control pannel and two dials. ONe selected from a choice of 4 programmes and the other as the cycle dial. You clicked this once and the machine started andthe programme went right round the dial. The starnge thing was the plate racks they wnet from front to back rather than side to side on a modern machine. I think I used ot get more in but that may be my immagination.

Post# 188478 , Reply# 34   2/4/2007 at 14:47 (3,672 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
very similar to hotpoint, indeed

Ricky - can you tell me how to use the detergent dispenser correctly?

I notice the compartments have a 15 and a 25 in them, and I am guessing that mean 15 or 25 cc's of detergent. Which one do you fill? Also, do you put any detergent outside the dispenser for a pre-wash?



Post# 188493 , Reply# 35   2/4/2007 at 16:02 (3,672 days old) by magic clean ()        
Cracking the code!

Bob, I dug out some service info on Bosch dishwashers. Perhaps this might help you figure out just when your machine was built. You machine looks to be from the early to mid 90's. That is about the time Bosch started selling their units in the U.S. These machines were made in Germany. Not in North Carolina like the last 8 years or so.

Bosch made similar machines for GE. The only difference was a rapid advance manual knob. They were sold under the "Monogram" brand at the time. Anyway, I hope the following information applies. It from a 1999 manual.

In the serial#, there are (2)letters and then (2 numbers). You add the #20 to the (2) numbers to determine the year. I.E. 79 + 20= 2001

The next set of numbers (the 5th & 6th position) is the month. With 01= January, 02=February and so on.

The next pair of numbers (the 7th & 8th position) is the day of the month. 01 being the 1st, 02 the 2nd & so on.

The last (4) digits are the serial number. These numbers are sequential and denote how many machines were built on a particular day. I.E. 0142= 142nd unit etc.

Hope this helps.......Leslie

Post# 188497 , Reply# 36   2/4/2007 at 16:11 (3,672 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Bob, nice Bosch! That is one AWESOME machine and really shows off the wonderful European design. The early ones look just as stylish as the new ones. I like the exposed heating element unlike the inline heater on the newer models...does this mean there's an option for a heated dry?

Not to sway from the subject, but I wanted to add that I agree completely with your statements on Oxydolfan. I think you have a very valid point, and I hope more (such as Robert) see this; he has absolutely NOTHING to contribute except personal attacks and hate-spewing banter which I have also been the object of. I love how he says "I've been posting on here for several months"...big f***in' deal considering that most of us CONTRIBUTING members have been on here for a few YEARS. I wouldn't worry too much about him; just like the other "club psychos" we've seen on here that come and go, he'll be gone one of these days, even if by force.

--Austin (aka "westborotoploader"...gee, I wonder who said that? ^^^)

Post# 188503 , Reply# 37   2/4/2007 at 16:44 (3,672 days old) by 62jetcone ()        

imperialbob or bobofholywwood wich ever queen name you want to go by: it's not all about you, you may have an opinion and you may think you're all it, but so do others have an opinion and if they get off topic then gently get them back on topic. But to attack some one because you are not the topic of conversation is nothing more than infintile.


Post# 188521 , Reply# 38   2/4/2007 at 17:19 (3,672 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        

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hi Bob according to instructions as you would probably only use quick and economy washes for lightly solied loads you would use 15 cc of detergent 25 for medium and both or 40cc for normal to heavy soiled ie 65 + degrees wash. I always used a 3 in 1 tablet though and as i have soft water never used salt or rinse aid. I think you could put detergent in pre wash but as its meant to run on cold i don't know if it would do much. I never needed to and everything was clean. In my new "old" Bendix it has the older turn around dispenser and would hold a lot of detergent and has the option of a hot pre wash, but i now use P+G Fairy bursts all in one , and they are fantastic cleaning even well burnt stuff off.


Post# 188530 , Reply# 39   2/4/2007 at 18:24 (3,672 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        
"big f***in' deal"....

As I've mentioned, there's a small, core group of posters who need to project their damage on everyone much for those who "wouldn't hurt a fly"....

Thanks to those of you who've been supportive here, and via email...I'm overwhelmed, and quite relieved, actually...

Don't worry, I have no intention of leaving.

Post# 188537 , Reply# 40   2/4/2007 at 19:41 (3,671 days old) by petek (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Does it say on the dash what temp the wash and rinse temps are? I can't quite see from the pic.. Our old Miele had two temp selections which were 40 & 55 C. nowhere near the 60 or 65 it seems the Euro sold models reach.

Post# 188544 , Reply# 41   2/4/2007 at 20:13 (3,671 days old) by bobofhollywood ()        
temperature indications

No, Pete, there was no clue given at what temperatures the cycles run. I thought that might have been nice to know as well. The buttons left to right were power, rinse & hold, normal wash, and pot & pans. I suspect this was perhaps the simplest model available, and also one of the first to be available here in the US. In that way, it is rather a historic unit. Again, my buddy who now owns the machine is completely pleased with it. He's a very meticulous person and will no doubt keep it in the nearly perfect condition that it's in today.

Holla from Hollywood!


Post# 188563 , Reply# 42   2/4/2007 at 21:57 (3,671 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Bob, I am glad to know it is going to a home who will love it and take very good care of it since it won't be at your house :-)

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