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Please help - opinions on new washers in the UK |
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Post# 189407 , Reply# 2   2/7/2007 at 23:41 (6,285 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Miele! Get a Miele! I dont see the point in the high end AEG's because your getting the same drum, bearings motor etc juts paying silly amounts extra for 400rpm extra in the spin and some flashy lights and maybe an extra 1kg drum space..... 2 pairs of jeans is hardly worth paying £200 for if the other features dont matter to you. Like yourself I dont care for a spin more than 1200rpm, its too much on the fabric and Im convinced any faster and it compromises the bearing reliabilty and indeed the motor. The Miele Premier 520 will out live the AEGs at least 3 times I feel and the features are aplenty even for the basic machine. Whilst im not knocking Jons Miele :-) I feel programmes such as the novelty ones mentioned above are a tad pointless although I cant really say much because I dont know fully what they do. However Ive washed my jeans on 40*c Non Colourfast cottons for years and they look, wear and feel just how they should. Im not sure about why a jeans cycle would appeal to someone. like I say im not knocking it I just dont personally understand the logic in it :-) HOWEVER I like the idea of the pillow wash spinning the air out of the pillow first in theory although id love to see it in action to judge whether or not id use it. The 520 is my modern dream machine and closest to the reliability, wash cycle options and water usage of a typlical 80's machine I will ever get. I dont have a need for push button controls, im at my happiest swizzing a dial round in the course of programme selection. shame the dial does not click round..... tut tut lol. Just my tuppence anyway, hope it helps. Nick |
Post# 189447 , Reply# 4   2/8/2007 at 04:59 (6,285 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Hi Nick, If your thinking longterm in this day and age the miele is going to win. I love going round jons to see his and they are a great compramise between quality and economy. However i would like to defend AEG for a moment. We've had an AEG washing for 3people, doing full loads just about everyday and it's now approaching its 4th year. It has NEVER gone wrong. It is very solid and very flexible. Do not discount them. I would like to upgrade to the 7kg model but i feel i could wait until this dies as its 5kg is rather generous. My model doesnt have fancy programmes, it has 50degree cycles, A time remaining indicator. the writing on the fascia is behind a plastic trim and looks brand new. They don't mess around too much balancing, my model has a spring loaded foot for added stability at high speeds. Its balance sensor is great. If whilst at distribution speed the load became fairly unbalanced it will carry on tumbling at a fractionally lower speed and then back up to distribution to resolve it. and will usually spin if the load is fairly unbalanced starting off slow and gradually increasing to even the load out. I've used a ton of different detergents and all wash down the dispenser well, though atm i'm using ariel liquitabs so thats not an issue. I didnt hear you mention rinse ability which is important with modern machines. AEGs and like Miele you can programme for a more satisfactory rinse either Rinse + on my model which adds 2 rinses and increases water levels. Or on models like jons AEG and the newer high end ones you can press sensitive which really adds some water and extra rinses. You can also combine this with Rinse + which will give you an addition rinse. Which is similar to water plus on a miele which you have different varations of as jon explained to me from higher water, to higher water with an extra rinse or really high with an extra rinse. To agree with jon the bosch exxcels are also an excellent choice, my brother has a basic classix 1200 which from doing aload for him on the weekend i had noticed they'd improved on them from when i had a bosch. The cycles are set standardly to be fast (about an hour and 5minutes). They have a ridiculously high level delicates and handwash programme. They are many jets in the dispenser so everything washes down. The option buttons are; Washplus for your 2hour cycles for heavy soil. Prewash Reduced creasing-800rpm spin that takes about 20minutes with intermittent tumbling and pulse spinning. Aqua plus- This was what i was most interested in. Aqua plus increases the water level and adds 2 rinses. Which is nice. I ran a cycle with this and i noticed they'd improved the intermittent spins, they accellerate a little quicker than they used too and i think they spin about 1000rpm. so 5 interm spins and rinses is a pretty good result at the end. The water level comes up to the seal. Different cycles make it higher. It washes quite nicely on a standard cotton 40, It heats fairly fast, washes quitely with a nice tumble speed. The spin is quiet. The pump noise lets it down abit however i say that my brother does have 5 dogs their hair gets everywhere! And of course on the exxel model you have the display with variable spins and temps with time remaining indicator! I would say get another zanussi to you nick but i dont know how keen you would be too do that. Hope this has helped. Darren |
Post# 189455 , Reply# 5   2/8/2007 at 06:39 (6,285 days old) by robm (Buxted)   |   | |
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Hi Nick I think most things have been said here and I would definately go for a Miele if I was you. Ideal for the family and they are generally quiet. Noise wise, I have to say the Bosch I have is very noisy. The motor really screeches and is very high pitched. Unfortunately there are not many induction motor machines anymore, apart from perhaps some of the Hotties. Not sure on the noise level of other machines. Good luck with your search though Rob |
Post# 189739 , Reply# 9   2/9/2007 at 04:25 (6,284 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Some of the special progs on the bosch exxcels are; Sensitive-Which works a little bit like aqua plus with raised levels and prolongs the maximum wash temp and adds an extra rinse. sports cycle-this ones about 30degrees i think super quick- only 15 minutes...yikes. mixed load!-Ahh reminds me of my hoover! cottons stains plus- more vigerous than the normal cottons stains prog. Darks prog-Raised wash and rinse levels to stop white deposits on seems etc of dark clothing.Reduced spins aswell. and the usual- cottons, easycares,wool and delicate. sounds like a fun model all in all. and comes in a 1200rpm model too if ya dont want a super fast model! Darren |
Post# 189768 , Reply# 11   2/9/2007 at 09:07 (6,284 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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On the phone last night to Seamus I mentioned I forgot to mention the Insight. but then thats essentially a Zanussi like your currrent one. I liked my old ZWF 1440 which has the same control panel as the insight although the cycles have slightly changed. It was a great machine and washed amazingly, rinses were fab despite the machine only being rated for 49l water in a 6kg load. TBH I feel its a Miele you want, again I agree about matching appliances which is one of the reasons I went all electrolux/zanussi last year apart from the Hotpoint Dishwasher but something tells me the current Zanussi line up incl AEG are only going to give around 5/8 years of use with a small family. Mums Electrolux EWF 1107something circa 1992 (which was a step up from anything the TOL Zanussi had from the era ), I forgot the model number did great for a family of 5 doing long wash cycles daily for a good 8 years but then back in them days when you bought an expensive machine you got the moneys worth. The thought you can pick up a 2 piece cabinet Zanni 1200 for around £200 puts me off slightly incase they use the same motor etc which lets face it they probably do now might not be as reliable. you might shoot me for saying this but, Why not go for a Servis fridge freezer in the real stainless steel variant not the crappy silver finish that look so common, and get the Miele to compliment the FF with its Chrome door. Mums Servis Fridge is great and well worth a look at because its insides are Electrolux anyway. This is the route id of prefered to see when Mum chose the LG over a Miele because it was the only half decent washer in total silver - shes clueless! (not slating the silver door on the Insight, I feel they look better than the whole machine being a fake colour of which I find too obtrusive) Sorry for rambling on, hope it helps though. Nick Link for the fridge pic.... halfway down thread. i think it look spretty good, and for a fridge that only cost £200 approx its very well designed. The FF IIRC retails around £400. CLICK HERE TO GO TO aquarius1984's LINK |
Post# 189801 , Reply# 13   2/9/2007 at 13:45 (6,283 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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Works fine for me - use the quick option with extra rinse 90% of the time, clocks in around the 1hr 20 mark. Having said that I dont tend to wash much bigger loads than I did in the 5kg Zwf1217w so the water level is IMHO fine, the extra rinse is a must tho!. The lack of a 50 deg setting is a bit of a pain, but ive got used to it!. Nick- if you have a Euronics Centre near you they may have or can get a Euronics exclusive 6kg 1200 RPM AEG. Should set ya back somewhere round the £400 mark WITH 5 YRS PARTS AND LABOUR GUARANTEE!!. In my opinion you couldnt do a lot better for the money :) Seamus |
Post# 189804 , Reply# 14   2/9/2007 at 13:55 (6,283 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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Post# 189913 , Reply# 16   2/10/2007 at 06:02 (6,283 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )   |   | |
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Hi Nick Personally I'd say a Bosch would be a very good choice and worth the money, from my experience with the one I had, the Bosch Maxx which lasted 7 years with one repair which i thought was good, i'd happily have one myself if they've "ironed out" there little niggles e.g water levels, that was my only complaint with that washer, but seeing as though they've supposedly sorted that issue out, i'd imagine them to be great machines :) However not to sound bias or anything, I'd also say that Zanussi's are proving to be good for the money, this one i have now, the ZWF1431, seems to live up to my needs, it uses plenty of water for rinses, and super rinse adds some extra water to the Cotton Rinses, so far im very pleased :) Hope This Helps!! :) Richard |
Post# 189915 , Reply# 18   2/10/2007 at 06:44 (6,283 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 189936 , Reply# 19   2/10/2007 at 09:18 (6,283 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 191500 , Reply# 23   2/16/2007 at 09:36 (6,277 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Nick Lots of nice options to look at and choose from... The Miele would be a long term option, solid, reliable, & flexible programmes, and the work you`ve done with your Hotpoint certainly entitles you to aspire to a Miele!!! I do like the AEG range, Jon from Brum, has the L86810 and I find it a great machine to use, the directa jet gives a great splashy action and the vented dryer is one of the best I have seen for capacity, style, and functionality... I would promote the Maytag Asko as "The Best",(IMMPHO) its very functional with programmes, quiet on wash, not so quiet on spin but I like to hear that, it does high level washes but the rinses dont come up the door, just senses if it needs more to clear the sudz, 95d quick wash, 1600 spin in 1 hr 19m, contrary to popular belief, IF you need servicing its covered by own engineers and havnt heard any probs about delays etc...I wont reccomend this machine as I am quite happy being in the unique position as being the only one from the club owning one...LOL Cheers, Mike |
Post# 192085 , Reply# 26   2/18/2007 at 13:46 (6,274 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 192107 , Reply# 27   2/18/2007 at 15:47 (6,274 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)   |   | |
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I have just seen that the current TOL Hoover Vision VHD816i has an `invertor motor' - another quiet alternative? |
Post# 192108 , Reply# 28   2/18/2007 at 15:51 (6,274 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)   |   | |
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Post# 192110 , Reply# 29   2/18/2007 at 16:05 (6,274 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()   |   | |
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Go for the vision it has a good write up!!!! |
Post# 194654 , Reply# 33   3/3/2007 at 13:57 (6,261 days old) by poster_child ()   |   | |
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i suggest the MIELE PREMIER 520 from comet it looks really good what do you think MR wilson |
Post# 194660 , Reply# 34   3/3/2007 at 14:35 (6,261 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)   |   | |
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Hi Lewis, welcome to the site. The people on this site are great, we're a really friendly bunch. I hope you enjoy hanging out here and thanks for the advice, I probably will go for the Miele. Nick |
Post# 194661 , Reply# 35   3/3/2007 at 14:51 (6,261 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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Post# 194663 , Reply# 36   3/3/2007 at 14:55 (6,261 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Hmm, he may have been right. Stop, hold on, put down those flames! Look at it this way. The average Bosch needs repairing every eight years or so. Nothing big, but that is the average. But it is rare indeed for a Miele built in the 1960's to fail, ever. Ones from the 1970's usually had a problem about the 20-22 year mark. Same with the 80's. So all this guy knows are the old porcelain cabinets, and yes, they were a pain to work on. Go with the Miele. Forget the noise issue - neither the Hoover nor the Bosch nor the Miele is loud enough in any variation to be "loud". The £61 difference is worth it. |
Post# 194677 , Reply# 38   3/3/2007 at 16:47 (6,261 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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LMAO What can I say? At the end of the 1st bottle if im truthful but earlier I was prepared to go out and get another one, now I cant be arsed. Now its Gin and Tonic (bombay sapphire) so slightly more sophisticated I guess, teenager drinking sessions for me used to be K Cider and 20/20 no doubt the reason why I depend upon spectacles to see clearly........... Ive got no washing to do but the Persil S&M got me thru a washday no probs. I cant help but feel there should be a version for those kinky PVC catsuits called Persil BD s and .......... Oh dear Nick |
Post# 194888 , Reply# 39   3/4/2007 at 15:57 (6,260 days old) by l86810 (Southend, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 194904 , Reply# 40   3/4/2007 at 18:38 (6,260 days old) by brit ()   |   | |
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the ISE branded machine might be worth a look as it looks like its a machine recommended by repairmen CLICK HERE TO GO TO brit's LINK |
Post# 194905 , Reply# 41   3/4/2007 at 18:40 (6,260 days old) by brit ()   |   | |
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a review of the machine in the link below CLICK HERE TO GO TO brit's LINK |
Post# 194994 , Reply# 44   3/5/2007 at 03:01 (6,260 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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Post# 194997 , Reply# 45   3/5/2007 at 03:48 (6,260 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)   |   | |
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