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NickUK's Hotpoint 18580 has a new home
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Post# 193021   2/23/2007 at 03:33 (6,243 days old) by robm (Buxted)        

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Hello everyone

Remember Nick's fantastic videos of his Hotpoint 18580 from the 70's, well I now own it.

Nick was unable to store it any longer and so I bought it off him. Unfortunately, when Nick last tried it the motor was very jittery. I got the machine in this knowledge.

I tested the machine without the casing and the motor was producing a huge amount of sparks and finally tripped my electrics. I later took the motor apart. The whole thing is generally sooty, however the brushes are nice and long but charred. The armature seemed fine but had a really tiny chip in it, not raised though (could that be the problem??) I tried cleaning the motor up. This time it got to a slow spin and the sparked again. I don't think the problem is with the speed module.

Any advice you can give would be most appreciated. I am currently trying to source reconditioned motors.

The machine is in bits at the moment, so I will get some pics later.

Rob





Post# 193027 , Reply# 1   2/23/2007 at 06:20 (6,243 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Sounds like your motor has a bad armature.Where the "Chip" is could be a shorted winding-causing the sparks as the motor tries to run.Also would casue the brushes to burn-Are the brushholders burned as well?I wouldn't run the machine anymore until you can replace the motor ar armature.the bad armature could cause the speed controller to fail.

Post# 193043 , Reply# 2   2/23/2007 at 08:05 (6,243 days old) by robbiehotpoint ()        

rob, i have a friend who has a shop that i get parts from very cheap, a recon motor for the hotpoint i can get for £10 it will obviously be 800rpm spin i could find out how much it would cost to send through post and get back to you if you like.

With regards to the motor you have now it probably will be the armature if it has a scratch or mark on it, it will throw out sparks on high spin speed. The way around it is to remove the earth wire from the motor and see if it still does the same but pointing out the obviuos the earth is there for a reason. Honestly done mins sending a motor down to you, glad to keep another hotpoint up and running lol


Post# 193103 , Reply# 3   2/23/2007 at 13:51 (6,243 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Hi there

Sorry to hear, Rob, that a good ole jiggle on the M25 didn't cure it! Hope you had fun getting that wrap around cabinet off - what a pain in the **** that job is, I guess you have the control panel and all the other bits in careful piles on the floor hoping to God you don't lose anything lol

How much is the motor sparking as it runs? Seeing little `crackles' at the point where the brushes make contact is normal. Or is it more than that? It never tripped our electrics but our electrics are antiquated.

Robbie Hotpoint - that's a very kind offer (though I'm not speaking for Rob) I think that machine needs a 1000 motor though.....

Hope you get to the bottom of it Rob and that it doesn't cost you a fortune. I don't need to tell you it's a good fun machine and I'm sure it'll appreciate your attention

Regards

Nick


Post# 193185 , Reply# 4   2/24/2007 at 03:57 (6,242 days old) by robm (Buxted)        
Thanks to all

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Tolivac - thanks for your advice. I am so tempted to keep trying it but I think you are right and it could ruin other bits of the machine. The brush holders are pretty black from carbon.

Robbie - that is really nice of you, however, as Nick says it needs a certain type of motor number 904/1049/03 and I'm worried adding an incorrect part could damage the speed module/timer. I don't think I would risk removing the earth.

Nick - Thanks for your comments. It's such a neat little machine I love it. I have bought some rust remover and new appliance paint for it. The sparks are mostly around the brushes. It struggles on distribution speed (without the drum connected) and then on spin if you increase the speed beyond 500rpm the sparks get worse and you get a burning smell. Eventually a huge spark came out and the power went. This is always the case.

Because the machine isn't going to be used a great deal, I am going to try and get a reconditioned motor. I think the problem could be in the armature and replacing the brushes won't help in the long run. If anyone know where I could find one that would be great.

See the attached which I have seen on Ebay. I have just asked for the number. I wonder if this would be any good.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK on eBay


Post# 193192 , Reply# 5   2/24/2007 at 05:30 (6,242 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Hi Rob,

Fraid that motor won't do it, it's an FHP motor for later TOL Hotpoints.

Wonder if it would be worth looking out for any 1000 spin Hotpoint made during the eighties / early nineties on ebay and offering the seller money for the motor and various other posteable spares? Trouble is more often than not people won't bother breaking a machine up cos it's too much hassle and they just want rid of it. If you could pick up a whole machine for a song though, your little man from Crowbourough may be able to pick it up and deliver it for less than the price of a new motor even and it may be a valuable source of spares

How about emailing the guy in the link below?


CLICK HERE TO GO TO nickuk's LINK on eBay


Post# 193214 , Reply# 6   2/24/2007 at 08:40 (6,242 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Don't you have a motor shop handy?

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A motor shop will have a lathe and can turn the armature to make it run like new.
They can also test the windings for shorts.

jon


Post# 193243 , Reply# 7   2/24/2007 at 10:25 (6,242 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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It'd be fantastic if you got this back to full working order rob!

I know the new motor prices are steep, but like i said to you on the phone, it could run another 10years or more if you did that.

*sigh* Its always down to cost!

Darren


Post# 193266 , Reply# 8   2/24/2007 at 12:22 (6,242 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Hey Rob.....

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Guess id best be on the look out for early 1000rpm Hotties in the scrap pile then ;)

Seamus


Post# 193289 , Reply# 9   2/24/2007 at 14:59 (6,242 days old) by robm (Buxted)        

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Jetcone, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, there isn't anywhere I know and I don't want to waste money on it. Unfortunately the parts are quite limited and you have to buy a full motor.

Darren, I may well buy a new motor but I'm slightly worried if something else goes. I'm going to try and be patient and wait and see.

Seamus, thanks so much for your offer. If you do so any that would be great. I'd be very grateful.

Rob


Post# 193317 , Reply# 10   2/24/2007 at 18:15 (6,242 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
Replacement Armatures

Hi, I'm new to the site and have an interest in older washing machines, especially Hotpoints!

Replacement armatures for the older GEC/GDA motors used in Hotpoint 18 and 95 series machines are still available. This would be far better than buying a new FHP motor and conversion kit which would mean losing that characteristic 'growling' motor sound!

I've got a 9534W and a 9537A at home but wouldn't mind finding something older from the 18 series if I could find the space.

The link for a site selling replacement armatures is below.
Hope it's of some help!

Tom.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO hotpoint9534's LINK


Post# 193319 , Reply# 11   2/24/2007 at 18:21 (6,242 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Tom - welcome to the site!

Jon


Post# 193378 , Reply# 12   2/25/2007 at 03:03 (6,241 days old) by robm (Buxted)        
Hello Tom

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Welcome to Automaticwasher. Thanks for the link I am very tempted. The only problem is if it isn't the armature at all. However, if it is it would save me quite a bit.

I have found this link and they are the only site that notes the conversion kit. If I do decide to go down that road I wouldn't know which one to get?? The current motor has 6 pins and is number 904/1049/03.

Nick - I have emailed the guy at your suggestion. However, he asked for the number but hasn't got back to me. I will ring him if I hear nothing. I am going to try and be patient. I might see if any 95 machines come up for spares or if Seamus finds anything.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO robm's LINK


Post# 193386 , Reply# 13   2/25/2007 at 04:43 (6,241 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Rob......

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Those prices are way ott- mail me if you decide to go down that route ;)

Seamus


Post# 193398 , Reply# 14   2/25/2007 at 06:33 (6,241 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Welcome to the site tom!
You have the same model i used to own for yeeears. a 9534w! I loved that machine and would love another! Do you have any pics of the said model?

Are you from matlock as in derbyshire? I went their lastyear its a beautiful place!

I hope you enjoy your time here, its great to speak with people who have a shared interest!

Darren



Post# 193409 , Reply# 15   2/25/2007 at 08:21 (6,241 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Thanks to all for the warm welcome, I am indeed from Matlock in Derbyshire, but spend most of my time in Nottingham now!

I'm afraid i'm not familiar with the conversion kit myself, I'm lucky that both my machines have the original GDA motors. I know from a local engineer that it's very rare to have to change the entire motor, more often than not it's the brushes and/or the armature that need replacing. The motor coil itself usually only gets damaged if it's been tampered with.

I bought my 9534 fully reconditioned last year, it has a new door seal, brushes, bearings and belt so it runs like a dream. I will try and upload some pictures later!

Tom





Post# 193415 , Reply# 16   2/25/2007 at 09:13 (6,241 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Tom-I bet the 9534 runs like a dream! I'd love a fully recondtioned 9534 or a 9545! That would be fantastic.

I currently have a wm31 sat in my garage that i found in a skip at work. unfortunately thats where its goin back because the timer made fireworks when i tested it and the motors gone.

My logics in abit of a state also, varying speeds, my 25yr old Servis quartz is my only fully functioning unit atm! I'm considering selling this though, It would be nice to replace it with an old 95series or the zanussi computawash i found on ebay.

What year is the 9537 from? Is that 92? the same as the 9534 but with the newer style door catch? Correct me if i'm wrong

Darren


Post# 193458 , Reply# 17   2/25/2007 at 13:37 (6,241 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

The 9537 is from late 91 and was the first model to have the aquarius wash system branding and slightly larger drum with holes in the drum paddles. I have just fitted a new door seal to this machine today as the old one was going moldy. I don't think the previous owner looked after it very well!

It also has the later door catch with child safety lock. It doesn't seem quite as solid as the 9534 but I guess that's progress for you.

Shame about the WM31 making fireworks, you're probably better off waiting for a proper 95 series to turn up. A new timer can be quite expensive and might not even solve the problem.

You mentioned the varying speeds on your logic. My 9537 occasionally gets a bit eratic on the second cottons rinse, where it almost goes into spin, then stops completely, then goes back to normal. Perhaps its something to do with the contacts not being made properly in the timer.

Tom





Post# 193459 , Reply# 18   2/25/2007 at 13:38 (6,241 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

My 9534 from 1989.

Post# 193461 , Reply# 19   2/25/2007 at 13:44 (6,241 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

My 9537 from 1991.

Post# 193465 , Reply# 20   2/25/2007 at 13:52 (6,241 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Wow! There fantastic! Many memorys from those 9534. Are there any signifcant differences between the two aside from the drums?

Darren


Post# 193466 , Reply# 21   2/25/2007 at 14:00 (6,241 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

There are a few differences between the two.

The 9537 washes for slightly longer than the 9534 but uses less water (just up to the equivelent of the half load level on the 9534). The rinses on the 9537 can be boosted to a higher level using the super rinse button, which replaced the older half load button found on the 9534.

Another difference is that on the 9537 the second intermittant spin before the last two rinses goes up to 1000rpm rather than 500rpm which makes for plenty of water going down the door glass!

Finally, the 9537 uses the modern care symbols on the dial rather than the numbers. Programme 3 (white nylons) is ommited from the 9537.

Tom.


Post# 193475 , Reply# 22   2/25/2007 at 15:10 (6,241 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
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Hi Rob

Congrats on the new/vintage machine I`m sure you will have hours of fun with it....the motor problem is easy sorted, either replace the armature or go for a recon similar motor, I`ll ask the local shop I use what prices they are etc...now all you need is the matching dryer!!!

Hello Tom, & welcome to the club, nice to see the 95 machines in use, at least these machines are easier to service than the wrap around models, but all have their place in history, you could always be assured of a dramatic albeit noisy spin with Hotpoint....

Darren, considering selling the "Quartz"...how could you even think it!!!!...LOL





Post# 193509 , Reply# 23   2/25/2007 at 16:32 (6,241 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Mike i dont have alot of choice. Though it crossed my mind selling the logic now its playin up. and i have a dead hotpoint in my garage n im not meant to be having 3 machines. so something has to give!

Maybe someone could donate me a 95series? LOL!

Darren


Post# 193705 , Reply# 24   2/26/2007 at 11:49 (6,240 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

Hey Tom, I have the dryer that matches ur 9537 or is a similar model. I love both of your machines, if it is possible at all for you to provide some form of video footage of either machine in action, I'm sure everyone would love ya for it!

Below is a pic of the said dryer!


Post# 193881 , Reply# 25   2/27/2007 at 04:56 (6,239 days old) by robm (Buxted)        
Welcome Hotpoint9534

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Hello Tom

Great to see more new members. Many thanks for the link. I have decided to order the armature. Even if it doesn't work out I can sell it again on Ebay so shouldn't lose too much. Hopefully that will solve the problem while keeping the original Hottie sound.

Rob


Post# 194005 , Reply# 26   2/27/2007 at 19:45 (6,239 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Rob, glad you went for the new armature in the end. I hope it does the trick. The new FHP motors are made by Indesit, and I know how much I'd hate my 95 series to sound like an Indesit!

I will try to get some footage of my two Hotpoints in action as soon as I can find someone who can lend me a camera. I will get some better pictures uploaded as soon as I can too.

For anyone else who'd like a 95 series, they are getting rarer, but if you look hard enough it's still possible to find well cared for and reconditioned examples. As the engineer who sold me the 9534 said 'Classic machines these... good workhorses!'

Tom



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