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An evening with the Hoovermatic Deluxe
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Post# 193476   2/25/2007 at 15:15 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        

I spent this evening working through a pile of laundry with my HMDL and its spanking new hoses to see how it performed. There is a very slight leak from under the machine, but it has improved since its inaugural run yesterday - I have been told that hot water helps the pump reseal if it has been dismantled, as mine was. To be honest, it isn't the best example of one of these, but it still seems reasonable, and is certainly usable - it's now done a dozen loads over the weekend, thanks to our automatic being sickly!

This first picture is of the tub being filled - this 3314L has a permanently attached fill hose, stored with the drain hose on the back of the machine.





Post# 193477 , Reply# 1   2/25/2007 at 15:17 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
The dials

In a different order to the USA Hoover twinnie, and with a heater to boot - these were popular with people who had babies, as you could boil their nappies (diapers) in it. A shame you can't rinse and operate the heater at the same time though.

Post# 193478 , Reply# 2   2/25/2007 at 15:18 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Loaded...

Will it take a double duvet cover, double bedsheet and pillowcases? *holds breath*

Post# 193479 , Reply# 3   2/25/2007 at 15:19 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
It cetainly will!

Although I kept the lid down for the duration of the wash to save being splattered!

Post# 193481 , Reply# 4   2/25/2007 at 15:20 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Soap cake!

Even though I used the correct amount of Fairy Snow detergent... ended up ladling it out with a jug.

Post# 193482 , Reply# 5   2/25/2007 at 15:21 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Wash over

You may have heard that Hoovermatics tangle a little... Note that the pillowcase is about the same vintage as the machine!

Post# 193483 , Reply# 6   2/25/2007 at 15:22 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
And rinse!

Much easier that having to keep hosing the load down. Plus three rinses take about the same time as one four minute load, which keeps your momentum going.

Post# 193486 , Reply# 7   2/25/2007 at 15:26 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Emptying

Only takes about a minute to empty the tub. Marvellous machine!

Post# 193507 , Reply# 8   2/25/2007 at 16:13 (6,240 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover Splashmatic!!

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Hey Simon,

Glad you got it working, looks in fine condition, I love the Charcoal and blue styling of these machines, so simple and stylish....I see, like Hoover , you are not afraid of colour!!!

I`m curious as to how you loaded ??did you place on top of the water and then switch on?? or puch the clothes under??

I was always taught to switch on and then load items whilst it whipped them under the water, Jon from brum says always load under the water then switch on....have tried both and sometimes it still tangles....

AND, it wouldnt be a Hoover Wash without a Splash!!!

Cheers, Mike


Post# 193515 , Reply# 9   2/25/2007 at 17:00 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Hi Mike,

until we moved house we had the curtains that matched that pillowcase in our bedroom... my choice, naturally.

When using the machine, I just put the sheets on top of the water, shut the lid and let the magic of the activator do the rest. I shall be experimenting though!

Had some problems with the anti-syphon valve, as our hot water is at a VERY low pressure, but have fitted a rubber nozley thing to the fill hose which works a lot better... shame though.

The 3314L is a beaut, especially with that blue spinner cover. I do like the look of later models, ie T5004/24, but can't be bothered fannying round with an interlock like I had to with our old Hotpoint Supermatic. I remember my auntie levering open the lid of her T5002 with a knife to defeat the interlock though!

Even my partner tried the HMDL tonight. He's impressed with the auto rinse and the fact that he'll be able to use soap flakes again, but less than impressed with the way it will only take two pairs of jeans at a time!

Si


Post# 193516 , Reply# 10   2/25/2007 at 17:01 (6,240 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey simon!
Fantastic twinny! Looks alot of fun! Whats frontloader do you have and whats wrong with it? I remember my hotpoint twinny i had last year was rather splashy. Thank you for posting pics!

Darren


Post# 193520 , Reply# 11   2/25/2007 at 17:19 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Hullo Darren,

It's a Servis M6011, which came with the flat. My partner thinks that the concrete weight has come loose. Wash is quiet enough, but the spin is very very loud, and the machine shakes so much the detergent drawer sometimes pops open! There's grey dust under it too. Must phone the landlord at some point...

I wish we'd kept our Indesit W123, had that for four years with no probs at all, but then my partner was always fastidious with it, using soda crystals in every wash, and stopping it if it was out of balance.

Si


Post# 193525 , Reply# 12   2/25/2007 at 17:28 (6,240 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Crikey. What do you think to the servis?

Is your partner into machines too? Or just likes to take care of things?

Darren


Post# 193539 , Reply# 13   2/25/2007 at 17:42 (6,240 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hello, Lads!

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Such a beautiful machine and the chrome tub is so much nicer than the plastic American one I have. Isn't the spinning just insane? Don't know any toploader than spins faster?

My way is to fill it, start the agitation, then feed the load, piece by piece and watch the Hoover dog madly snatch it down. Woff ! Woff ! Lots o' fun.


Post# 193551 , Reply# 14   2/25/2007 at 17:52 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Don't like the Servis

The controls aren't very intuitive, and I don't like the way the dial doesn't advance! I understand Servises (Servii?) aren't too reliable either - ours is less than two years old, and doesn't get a hammering.

My partner took care of the Indesit to make sure it lasted (which it did), but is more of a gadget freak than anything else - over the years we've had slo-cookers, popcorn makers, every conceivable type of coffee maker and even knitting machines and two rice cookers at once (different sizes, you see)!

I'm more of a Hoover collector - mostly vacuums, but got some obscure stuff too - toaster, shaver, hairdryer etc. Oh, and Russell Hobbs kettles too! And anything by HMV...

Si


Post# 193555 , Reply# 15   2/25/2007 at 17:55 (6,240 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover Washdog

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That was a great add & slogan, "The HooverWashdog" & the 4 minute wash!!!This is a vid of the later model the T5054 when Jetcone Jon came over, lids up to see the action!!!

You certainly have to hold onto your hoses with a Hoovermatic in your house...LOL


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Post# 193561 , Reply# 16   2/25/2007 at 18:09 (6,240 days old) by 74simon ()        
Hoover Washdog!

Kevin Cox sent me the ad below - I love the cozy way that they sell it as part of the family, rather than a flashy bit of technology.

I vaugely remember a similar TV campain, with a woman pulling one by a leash, although it must have been a later model, as I was only born in 74 - my October '73 washdog is three months older than I am!

Mickey - I love the wacky colours of the American plastic tub machines - and those cabinet finishes even more! The avocado and harvest gold ones are gorgeous!

I've linked to a short video of my autorinse kicking in - that spinner roar is quite something...

Si


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Post# 193566 , Reply# 17   2/25/2007 at 18:24 (6,240 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Great ad! I love that SS wash-tub too - much more sleek looking that the harvest gold one in my Hoover Deluxe.

Post# 193569 , Reply# 18   2/25/2007 at 18:30 (6,240 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Once the automatics are sorted, I might start work on hoover and hotpoint twin tubs. Never really had a thing for twinnies, but I sense that I am getting urges!
Another well preserved piece of early 70's appliance nostalgia. Love it


Post# 193583 , Reply# 19   2/25/2007 at 19:47 (6,240 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Gee I had no idea there were DOG ads--that's awesome

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But if you love and have fed a lot of dogs, you can't help but think of one when you're feeding the clothes to the Hoover, the way it first grabs then quickly wolfs down the garment. You're makin' me fell tapped into the universe. Thanks.

Post# 193623 , Reply# 20   2/25/2007 at 21:40 (6,240 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks Si for the neat pictures. That is such a beautiful machine. I loved the Hoover-WashDog ad, so fun!! Thanks for sharing. Terry

Post# 193680 , Reply# 21   2/26/2007 at 09:57 (6,239 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
My wash-dog

Hi - that are great pix!!!
My wash-dog did its last load last week - now it is on vacation.... in the cellar-beauty-farm! Going to get a new face!!! Therefor my new AEG Lavalux had it's re-birth this Sunday! I got two of these machines - both not ready to be used - and formed a new one out of both; the rest is going to the garbage, except some parts for spares. It had it's maiden-wash yesterday afternoon! Three small loads of Delicates with PERWOLL with low water level (20 liters filling) and three full loads of Dark Coloureds/Wash'n'Wear with ARIEL COLOR LIQUID at normal (high) water level (30 liters filling). I washed them all in luke-warm water and gave them at least three rinses with cold water each. Unfortunantely our camera is broken so I couldn't take some pix.......sniff...boohooo...
It really did a good job!
Still I'm waiting to get a new HOTPOINT SUPERMATIC DE LUXE T 9414 from the UK - can't await it. In the meantime I will try to finish the HOOVERMATIC 3301L. Has to be stripped and completely re-painted... KIRBY and DREMEL are waiting already to start with the beauty-cure in the cellar...

Ralf


Post# 193749 , Reply# 22   2/26/2007 at 15:10 (6,239 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

Its when I see piccys like that I realise I should have kept hold of my 3314L. I don't know what it is about that model but everything seemed perfect; the colours, the design, the features. Even today, it looks almost timeless. I love some of the older models particularly the 3301L but they didn't have the autorinse and the wash tubs weren't as shiny. Have loads of fun with it!!

Post# 193885 , Reply# 23   2/27/2007 at 06:11 (6,239 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
hoovermatic

Hi, Hoovermatic!
(What's your real name, please! My twinnie Hoovermatic 3301L doesn't read this internet file....lol, just kidding!!)
OK....where were we? Ahh yes...
Well same mistake I did several years ago... I gave my Hoovermatic T5054 away b ecause my former girl-friend (how could I ever be so wrong to have a girl-friend....tz..tz..tz...!??), well, she insisted on selling it before I bought my HOTPOINT Supermatic de luxe 9414... I sold it to an English who was on exchange-work in Frankfurt...
Well, one cannot have everything...can we?
So, now I have my 3301L; saved it from the garbage.
The 3301L is older than the 3314L, and at that time stainless steel wasn't developped - or still to expensive - so they used somrthing different for that purpose. The 3301L has no Autorinse, yes but I have several machines to choose from, so I don't bother.

Cheers, Ralf


Post# 194022 , Reply# 24   2/27/2007 at 20:44 (6,238 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

Hi everyone,

I just had to register, after seeing all the old machines.

Simon: that Hoovermatic DeLuxe machine is my mother's first washer to a tee! She was given it as a wedding present in 1969; and it did indeed wash nappies - mine, my sister's and brother's! lol.

Apparently twintubs washed cleaner than the automatics of the time. Mum never used the autorinse, as it never rinsed properly (apparently as a baby I had terrible skin problems), so she would rinse in the kitchen sink instead (double sink-unit).

Mum used "Ariel" in the machines (Dad came in with "Bold" once, and mum said it was rubbish. "Bold" had the porthole of frontloaders as the 'logo', if I remember correctly).

The machine lasted until 1980, when it started leaking. So my grandparents supplied a copy of Which? magazine, and the Hoover A3110 "Electronic 1100" received a good test result, so my parents purchased that.

My gran was impressed by the A3110, so she also got one in 1982, to add to her 1974 Hoovermatic twintub (orange controls) and 1960's Rolls Rapide model! Her's was more refined: the programmer gave extra clicks before the final spin!

Oh the things you remember! lol


Post# 194029 , Reply# 25   2/27/2007 at 20:57 (6,238 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        

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LAWD, what fun.

Steve


Post# 194176 , Reply# 26   2/28/2007 at 12:50 (6,237 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

Ralf - my name is Paul - I always mean to sign off with my name and almost always forget!

I have vivid memories of the 3310L. As a child, our neighbours had one and I used to go in on Monday mornings during the school holidays as it was washday. She was about 65 years old in the early 1970's so Monday washday was a tradition for her. I remember everything always being the same each week. She had no hot water supply so used to heat up kettles and large saucepans to help fill the washtub and always brought the temp up to 85 degrees before starting with the whites. She was VERY fussy about her washing and always rinsed everything in the sink. Bizarrly, she used to add a tiny amount of Tide to the rinse water!!! What was that all about? It was the blue Tide that we used to get in the UK years ago and I imagine she believed the bluing effect was beneficial and that the fragrance was good. I guess softeners were a bit too modern for her at her age!! id you, my Mum took some persuading to start on Comfort in the mid 1970's!!


Post# 194273 , Reply# 27   3/1/2007 at 03:31 (6,237 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Hi Paul!

Same with me! I also have so many vivid memories of the (wash-)days during 1963-1972. To explain the matters: I was born 1961 and from 1972 on I went to school in an other town-part, so had no time to watch wash-days regularly and also at this time most people in Germany had already automatic FLs in their apartments.
But back to the time mentioned.
A bit further down in our street there lived an old lady who still did the washing in the laudry room in the basement and as the window of that "wash-kitchen" goes towards the pavement I could always watch her doing the washing. She still used a water-pressure driven woodden tub-washer (Miele or Holighaus, I guess) and I remember so well the clank-clank-clank-clank from the cylinder on top of the woodden lid, going back and forth, moving the woodden agitator underneath the woodden lid to stir the washing in the suds.
Our landlady did the same in our house until 1964 (she was one of the first who had an automatic MIELE FL in our street) and I watch frequently from the door-gap the wash-day in our basement taking place. The steaming copper-boiler, the MIELE woodden-tub wringer-washer with electric motor underneath, humming and moving the "wash-cross" (woodden agitator in cross form) back and forth in the steaming suds, not to forget the whirríng spinner with still copper spin-can! And all that splashy rinsing in the concrete basins afterwards...!! The used rinse-water flooded the floor when the basins' tube-plugs were lifted off the drain-holes and the water disappeared slowly through the drain in the floor while the women walked through it in rubber-boots...all gone...!!!
Other women had already twin-tubs or pulsator single-tubs with wringer so the copper boiler was not in use anymore in these households.
Concerning the adding of Tide to the rinsing: in Germany we had a rinsing agent called SIL (STTP and oxygen bleach which is nowadays available as a booster without STTP in stores) to break down the water-hardness in the first HOT rinse which was essential as in the old days washing-powders contained soap! (In the time "before" SIL appeared on the market, people used to add some washing-soda or bleaching-soda or used rain-water.) May-be that was the purpose?
My mom started on LENOR in the early sixties but stopped that again after about 10-15 years because of the disadvantages of this stuff. Neither my mom nor we use conditioners anymore at the moment and there is no need to when you wash in TUB-WASHERS as they do not harden the items as tumbling does.

Greetings from a rainy Germany - Ralf


Post# 194478 , Reply# 28   3/2/2007 at 12:16 (6,235 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

When I had my 3314L I rarely used softener as I was able to use proper soap flakes, which apart from being great at stain removal leave the clothes beautifully soft and they smell out of this world without the need for a cocktail of chemicals. I am definately going to get another twin tub at some stage. I have no room for one now but it looks like I will be moving to London within the next 12 months and am going to insist on a utility room that can house my 2 Hotpoint TL's (slimline and traditional) and a twinnie.

Paul


Post# 194617 , Reply# 29   3/3/2007 at 09:11 (6,234 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Hey Mike

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Nice Vid from our wash day in the garden!

Those are fun machines to play with. I like the washdog analogy. Thats just how Aloysius grabs clothes except I end up with teeth holes in them!

Did I read right that Jon's little plastic portable twinnie blew up??

Jon


Post# 194655 , Reply# 30   3/3/2007 at 14:02 (6,234 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Hoovermatic Washdog

John from Birmingham UK here (ChesterMikes partner in crime!)

Thought I would add a few pics of my Hoover Washdog I think it’s the best deluxe twinnie Hoover ever made. I used it again today after fitting a new wash sump hose it ran like a dream. I have an AEG 1800 rpm auto but prefer to get the Washdog barking any day or maybe I am barking ! (mad)

Two more images posted below & will add more pics of machine in action soon.

All the best folks x


Post# 194656 , Reply# 31   3/3/2007 at 14:08 (6,234 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Hoovermatic Washdog 2

Other Pic
This machine manufactured November 1974


Post# 194657 , Reply# 32   3/3/2007 at 14:09 (6,234 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Hoovermatic Washdog 3

Another Pic

Post# 194659 , Reply# 33   3/3/2007 at 14:32 (6,234 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Many happy memories using this exact machine. My Nana and Grandad had one and I did loads of washing in it. Was replaced in late eighties with a Hotpoint twin tub but the spinner went after about 3 years (apparently it `flashed') and just stopped. They loved their Hoover and never really rated the Hotpoint as much and that wasn't just the reliability thing. I never did find out quite what went wrong with the spinner. If I recall, the spinner in Hotpoints didn't use a brush motor did they so I guess the flash was the motor burning out. The Hoover I think did use a brush motor for the spinner, at least the noise suggested it did.

Well done you guys for keeping these great machines going. Thanks for the vid at the start of the thread too - brought back some memories, I tell you.

Nick


Post# 194688 , Reply# 34   3/3/2007 at 18:05 (6,234 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

This machine is the reason that washday became a thrill for me - it is such an exciting machine in every way and the fact that the operator is in control makes it even better. Wonderful pics!

Post# 194706 , Reply# 35   3/3/2007 at 19:22 (6,234 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

Would I be correct in saying that this particular model was produced for several years?

The model my gran had, had orange controls, and the 'new spinner-release catch' (no handle on spinner lid).

The only thing that my gran didn't care for, was the fact you had to fill the wash tub with water, to cover the activator.

The Rolls model had the activator on the floor of the tub, so a 'half load' could be washed quite successfully.

Thanks for all the photos.


Post# 194733 , Reply# 36   3/3/2007 at 21:03 (6,234 days old) by sudzreturn ()        
Orange Controls

Yeah, my dads mom had both of these machines, the 3314L and the one with orange controls/orange latch lever and orange filling spout. Only thing that was different was the inlet was on the top right of the machine, the 48c was replaced with 50c and of course, the latch lever thingy. I had the latter machine up until a few years ago, and its still going strong at my friends house. Wish i could get another HMDL of this type, my Thomson is driving me mad without having a heater!

Post# 194735 , Reply# 37   3/3/2007 at 21:06 (6,234 days old) by sudzreturn ()        
Oh and.....

Anyone else noticed the pattern of the colour schemes in the whole of the Hoover range, ie orange-silver on the autos too, then the black with green lettering, then the brown and white lettering, then last of all, the grey with white lettering, i remember an aunt had the last of the HMDL then she bought a Hoover auto not long after which was the same colour scheme.Anyone know the dates of the colour schemes?

Post# 195001 , Reply# 38   3/5/2007 at 04:18 (6,233 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
JohnBirmingham

Hi, John!
Are you the one who refurbishes and overhauls Twinnie to sell them at Ebay's?
If so, just a question here, as I cannot contact you via Ebay at the moment....
How far is my Twinnie (Hotpoint Supermatic de luxe T9414)?
Ralf


Post# 195099 , Reply# 39   3/5/2007 at 17:23 (6,232 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Ralf, Supermatic and Hoovermatic

Hi Ralf,
I am not the same John, i am a member of twin tub emporium. The John u are talking about is from twintub city about 10 miles north of Birmingham. It seems u are desperate to get a 9414 lol I have a mint 9414 and only paid 35 pounds for it! ( about 50 euros i think !!) Dont get paying a fortune for a 9414 as they are easy to get I feel sure one of us lads! can keep an eye in local papers etc. Keep in touch u will get it xx. John


Post# 195182 , Reply# 40   3/6/2007 at 05:47 (6,232 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
John Birmingham

Hi, John!
Thanks for your reply!
The problem I have: I have already a Hotpoint Supermatic de luxe T9414 but it starts getting old...
Kevin from Edinborough sent me a used wash-motor - the old one broke down because of a leakage of the wash-water recycling pump which I replaced as well by a new one I got from the UK by the help of a friend in Brighton. Then I had to exchange the three belts - Hotpoint spare centre helped me that time. But now the spinner bellow seal is broken and is leaking and has to be exchanged and I'm not sure if I have the knowledge or better the tools to get that done myself. Also the timer-switch sometimes gets stuck, too. Not a thing that cannot be repaired but what will be next? So, when I saw John's TwinTubCity at Ebays I decided to get one of those as they are refurbished and overhault especially as all other Ebayers are not willing to send me a machine to Germany even if I get everything organized myself and are paying via PayPal. I cannot drive hundreds of hundreds of miles/kilometers over to the UK only to pick up a machine I haven't seen before and of which I do not know the technical condition in which it might be. So what shall I do?
I found already someone who is willing to transport the machine as a by-load for just 50,-€. Do you have any other idea?
Pleased to hear from you or anybody else,
Ralf


Post# 196072 , Reply# 41   3/9/2007 at 06:12 (6,229 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover...Who Better!!!

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Hey John, welcome to the club from me, I`m sure people where beginning to think I was making you up...LOl...love the 3314, one of my favourite Hoover machines by colour and about the only one I dont have ...yet, AND, I see you took my advice about loading youre spinner, that pic looks just about right by my loading...LOl, (I`m gonna get such a slap for that) John always tells me I underload the spinner and then he laughs when I throw everything into the FL for a final rinse & spin...whereas I take pity on those spin cans when John virtually stands on top to get the load in!!!!

Here`s his machine on my last visit roadtesting some Conditioners...

Hi Jon Jetcone, the Camper Twinny is working fine, great to see the inside action through the plastic!!!


Cheers, Mike


Post# 196077 , Reply# 42   3/9/2007 at 07:23 (6,229 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Mini -Twinnies

Hi Mike!
Nice pic! Do you use conditioner? We do very seldom only on items that might cling by static electricity (Acrylics) since the superb Lenor Downy has been taken from the market which had freed us nearly completely from ironing shirts and other items - except starched table-napkins or table-cloths and tea-towels or handkerchiefs of course.
Do you really give your washing a final rinse in the FL? Are you not content with the rinsing in the Hoovermatic? What I did to force the rinsing effect plus to save water in one go was that I sealed the bottom holes in the spinner can with aluminium-foil balls which I pressed and rubbed into the holes. That works fine and ALL the rinse-water HAS to go through the layers of cloth when centrifugation starts as there is no longer a by-pass for the water but the holes in the spin-drum walls behind the washing!!
Also the spin-can fills itself with water to the top, so that conditioner can be added to the water reservoir which occurs in the centre space of the drum.
Ralf


Post# 196078 , Reply# 43   3/9/2007 at 07:27 (6,229 days old) by hoover3060 ()        

Hey Mike

Andrew laughs aswell but I always if using a twinnie put everything (Not all at once of course) in the front loader for a final rinse and spin with conditioner. I have never used conditioner in a twinnie. I just feel its not getting into all the clothes. Andrew is the same when using the hoovermatic re packing of spin can.I never put a full load in the wash tub so I wont have to shove it down in the spin can with force.I dont feel it rinses properly if too much in the spinner. Andrew like to put as much as he can in the wash side and im naughty but I have great delight in winding him up when hes standing over it having to help the clothes goes round because they are stuck as there are too many in there.Then he cant always get everything in the spinner!

Mark


Post# 196083 , Reply# 44   3/9/2007 at 07:37 (6,229 days old) by hoover3060 ()        

Hi Simon.

Forgot to say thanks for the pics of your 3314L.Also saw the vids you made and they were great.Thanks for those.Its always great to watch vids of any machine!.

Mark


Post# 196109 , Reply# 45   3/9/2007 at 09:41 (6,228 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Too much washing in the tub

Yes, had the same problem with my mate. He always complained about these "bloody Twinnies, he's not going to use anytime at all"....then found him in the laundry room in the basement several times quarrelling with this or the other machine - bitching at the machine being the stupidest invention ever constructed! But he never ever listens to me BEFORE he starts doing a wash with it - and each machine is different! Worst and most hated by him is my newly refurbished and rebuilt AEG LAVALUX - as to me a very poor machine indeed. He didn't know that this machine can cope only with a maximum of 1.5 Kg dry-weight (3 lbs), so he was complaining in the cellar that it doesn't wash even three pairs of jeans in one go....! Smile!!
Well, to say so it's good German quality - weighs a ton and is built very sturdy - but the tub is definitely too small! It can hold only 30 liters of suds and the pulsator wheel isn't as effective as the Hoover one, too.
But overloading a tub washer isn't just hampering the wash-action like in an overcrowded tumbler. Overcrowded TUB-washers put a lot of strain to the fabrics washed in them and destroy the fibres as well as themselves. Heavily pressed down loads in the spinner will be badly wrinkled and not even reasonably rinsed! Our landlady at home was working in the textile research and development in a laboratorium and she always used to say to my mom: less is always more when washing with any kind of machine! Never put the maximum in that is given in the user's guide! I never forgot that! A Hoovermatic is said to take 2.75 kg in one go - but I never put in more than 2.5 kg! Same with the Hotpoint! Big wringer-washers can cope with 4-5 kg but I would never put in more than 3.5-4 kg in one go! And even tumblers which are labelled to take in 6 or 8 or 10 kg I would not load with more than 4.5, 6 or 8 kg in each go!
If I use conditioner, I use it in the spinner (1 little cup diluted in a liter of cold water which I add in a thin stream from the pitcher while the final rinse is filling, so that it can soak into the fabrics during the water level is rising) or after all washing and all spin-rinsing has taken place I mix a tub full of fresh water with conditioner and do the final rinsing in the tub - load after load.
To all of you a nice and calm WE!
Ralf


Post# 196145 , Reply# 46   3/9/2007 at 13:36 (6,228 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Hoover Twinnie loading & rinsing

Hi folks,
Great to hear all your comments & thoughts on twinnie washing.
Its funny to hear how we all use them so differently. A Hoovermatic wash tub needs to be loaded fully otherwise the wash action is too vigorous hence the instuction to halve wash times on part loads. The touble you see, Mike, you are use to using a Servis and a fully loaded Servis results in that good old Wishy-Washy action !!! (now my turn for a slap)I always load the Hoover so that clothes revolve steadily. Yes i always transfer the full load into the spinner putting the heaviest bulkiest item at the bottom to block the holes!then the rest placed evenly around the edges followed by pressing the entire load down.This can cause creasing but i dont find it a problem as i always tumble dry & never spin minimun iron fabrics in a hot state. A lightly loaded spin can & not pressed down causes out of balance spins and puts pressure on the bearings & resilent mount. Personally i would prefer a few extra creases to a worn out machine!! All you folks who rinse n spin in the auto are CHEATS !! Jon Jetcone didn`t think a twinnie rinsed properly without a so called `deep submerged rinse` but after watching myself using the Hoovermatic at Mikes, he agreed that it did rinse very well.
I like to do my entire wash in the twinnie without `cheating` just as we did in the 70s & 80s. Plus doing your final spin in the twinnie saves dying time, anyway enough for now (this is great fun!).
All the best xx John


Post# 196179 , Reply# 47   3/9/2007 at 15:19 (6,228 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Oohhhhh!!!

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Wishy Washy Wash Action......How Could You!!!...How Very Dare You!!!!!....Lol

Post# 196203 , Reply# 48   3/9/2007 at 16:31 (6,228 days old) by 74simon ()        
Nice to see this thread

has generated so much interest!

Mike - I can't believe you don't yet have a 3314L!

John - your machine sparkles! It looks in much better condition than mine... It must be one of the last built too - I thought the regulations on spin dryer interlocks came in in either late '74 or early '75. Kevin Cox reckoned production of the 3314L stopped in October '74, so yours kind of alters history a bit!

I'm loving mine, although I've still got to experiment more with the rinsing. I've already got four different high-suds powders lined up to use in it!

Bit disappointed with the wash capacity though. Even three pairs of jeans makes it struggle! Is that normal, or does anyone rckon the washer belt is going? I'm used to cramming everything into a Hotpoint Supermatic or a Servis ST...

Si


Post# 196209 , Reply# 49   3/9/2007 at 17:26 (6,228 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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My mum had a 1980's model of those twinnies, it was our washer when i was born and for about two years into my life.

I think it was the last Hoovermatic made, there is a pic i took from a yahoo group below *this is not my machine and i do not take credit for the photography*. It was an awesome machine and i can still remember the very distinctive roar of the spinner.

However mum never really took notice of the auto rinse function and just tipped two washing up bowls full of water over the load, a spin in between each one with the second one having Lenor in it. Then we got the Hoover EcoLogic 1100 and she loved it but still missed her twinnie.


Post# 196214 , Reply# 50   3/9/2007 at 18:02 (6,228 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

I think it is safe to say that the Hoovermatic twin tub was a unique machine and as soon as I can, I am getting another one!! All these threads and videos made me realise what I am missing since selling my 3314L

Post# 196366 , Reply# 51   3/10/2007 at 12:04 (6,227 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
More Hoovermatic deluxe

Hoovermatic deluxe 3314L with a younger sister T5024.

Post# 196367 , Reply# 52   3/10/2007 at 12:06 (6,227 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
T5024

This machine manufactured February 1981

Post# 196368 , Reply# 53   3/10/2007 at 12:09 (6,227 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

I can SMELL that Ariel!!! Why oh WHY don't they bring back that fragrance????? and that Persil was gorgeous and seemed to make the water almost creamy with soap. Ahh, memories!!!

Post# 196369 , Reply# 54   3/10/2007 at 12:10 (6,227 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
T5024 Brand New

This machine manufactured February 1981 This machine is brand new and never been used, complete with instructions, guarantee card, spin mat and two free samples of washing powder

Post# 196371 , Reply# 55   3/10/2007 at 12:13 (6,227 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
T5024 Tub

Brand spanking new shiny stainless steel tub.

Post# 196372 , Reply# 56   3/10/2007 at 12:20 (6,227 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
T5024 Gleaming pulsator

Well used machines and machines that have been used for boiling the pulsator looses its shine after time and turns very matt as you can see this one is in mint condition mmmmm

Post# 196373 , Reply# 57   3/10/2007 at 12:22 (6,227 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
T5024 Control Panel

Beautiful colours rinse inlet and orange rinse arm

Post# 196409 , Reply# 58   3/10/2007 at 15:30 (6,227 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

OMG!!! That is straight from the showroom floor!!! I am SO jealous. Let me play with it PLEASE!!!!!

Post# 196590 , Reply# 59   3/11/2007 at 13:21 (6,226 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Wow!

Wow - this IS a really nice machine - how did you get it? Unused!! Can't imagine!!
Yes the action in a Hoovermatic is very vigorous and I usually fill it up to its maximum - 2.5 kg! But jeans are a problem with ALL pulsator-machines! The fabric is very sturdy and therefor quite stiff - that means that a pair of jeans counts for 1 kg dry-load - no matter of its real weight, I found out! Two pairs of them plus one or two other more smooth articles wash fine - three pairs means 3kg and that is too much as the filling is ristricted to not more than 2.5-2.75 kg. Hotpoints spiral agitator can cope very well with 3 pairs of jeans! The wishy-washy-action is better for stiff fabrics such as jeans and linens.
But remember: other "stiff fabrics" should not be washed in any of these machines....lolololol!!!
BTW - the AEG Lavalux can only cope with ONE pair of jeans plus 1 or 2 other articles in one go at high water level, at low water-level it isn't able to wash even one pair of jeans at all, the washing then gets stuck...imagine!

And yes! washing in a twinnie is soooooooooooo much fun! In any kind of twin-tub machine!
Ralf


Post# 196599 , Reply# 60   3/11/2007 at 13:53 (6,226 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
I just love that ad!!

I can see a Hoovermatic as a "Washdog."


Contemporay advertising, at least here in the States, is not that appealing and friendly.


I am sure I have mentioned the Hooovermatic my great aunt had at her summer place in Ontario, Canada. Good memories.


I really do prefer twinnies, vintage or new, to wringers.



Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 196870 , Reply# 61   3/12/2007 at 14:16 (6,225 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Fragrance of Ariel

Hoovermatic:

I quite agree about the old Ariel, is was a lovely clean, fresh smell. I cannot stand the fragrance of most of todays detergents. They are far too florally, as are today's fabric conditioners.

The detergent manufacturers seem to think that a sweet, over-powering smell means clean. Does it hell!

And a strong fragrance clashes with aftershaves, perfumes, and deodorants. For that reason, I cannot use modern Ariel Automatic powder, it smells terrible.


Post# 196948 , Reply# 62   3/12/2007 at 17:38 (6,225 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Twinnies

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Nice machines there John, make sure its stays"MINT"...LOl, thats your pension fund when you sell it back to Hoover....

I do like the strong accent colours...nice to see I`m not the only one who doesnt totally rinse in the twinny!!!and two to three pairs of jeans is about right, unless you are doing a batch of "Tye Dye"....

Those powders just take you straight back, I was sent a 60`s pack of Persil and although sealed some had leaked out into the plastic bag...I put a load of hot water into the sink and tipped the little bit on...OMG..was taken straight back to my Nan`s kitchen with her Hoover Twosome boiling with Persil...wonderful..



Post# 196976 , Reply# 63   3/12/2007 at 20:11 (6,225 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Mike-Twosome

Hi Mike,
That twinnie WILL stay mint i can assure you. Your spin can on the Twosome looks rather full, I don`t remember using it LOL !! I never liked Persil probably because my mother used it in her Empress which as you know i hated.
Just love my Tanglematics too much !!


Post# 197022 , Reply# 64   3/13/2007 at 03:07 (6,225 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Hi Mike!

These two Hoovers I had, too! I saved them from the garbage. There was nothing wrong with them. Later I gave them to the rural-life museum nearby Frankfurt when I went to Spain for two years. A mistake, I know today!
Ralf


Post# 197023 , Reply# 65   3/13/2007 at 03:11 (6,225 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Hoovermatic 3314L Washday

Taken Saturday March 10th 2007 doing my sisters washing !

CLICK HERE TO GO TO johnbirmingham's LINK


Post# 197024 , Reply# 66   3/13/2007 at 03:19 (6,225 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
Hoovermatic 3314L

Sorry guys last link was wrong, this should be OK.

J


CLICK HERE TO GO TO johnbirmingham's LINK


Post# 197039 , Reply# 67   3/13/2007 at 06:15 (6,225 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Hoovermatic 3314L

Yeaaaahhhhhh!!! That's it!!!
That is doing necessarily jobs plus having lots of fun all in one go!!!

Ralf


Post# 197121 , Reply# 68   3/13/2007 at 14:54 (6,224 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

Love the vid!! It is funny how there are subtle differences in how people use Hoovermatics. I would never load dirty laundry into the tub without the pulsator running and yet other people put the clothes in with it off and one person I know puts the laundry in the empty tub and adds water. There has been so much fantastic HMDL 'activity' on here lately I am more determined than ever to get another one!

Post# 197178 , Reply# 69   3/13/2007 at 19:27 (6,224 days old) by 74simon ()        
Wow John,

Yours sounds beautiful! Have you done much work to it, or was it just well cared for? The spinner's so quiet compared to mine, especially as it winds down. It must be so hard having to resist using that T5024 as well. Love all that orange!

Ralf - I might try your trick with the aluminium foil! I do notice that even after a fourth automatic rinse, a lot of suds seem to come out still. I've tried filling the spin can at different rates, but it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

As for filling the washtub with water, I think I'll stick to putting the washing in before starting the motor. It avoids any splatting and ensures everything gets the full wash, especially synthetics with the short wash times. I do have to say I like the way it stops the wash if the water temperature drops - very semi-automatic! I never knew they did that.

I'm with John on this 'final rinse in an automatic' business. It just ain't right! Our Hotpoint used to rinse well, but then we used to literally fill the spin canister to the brim with water. But I believe this is not the done thing for manual rinse machines...

Incidentally, my Hoover is currently ill, having tripped my RCD (GFCI) several times when the heater was switched on. I did wonder if maybe the 3KW draw was too much for my RCD, but it worked fine with the 3KW kettle, so I guess the heater is leaking to earth (ground). I've ordered a replacement, but suspect it may be a 2KW jobbie. I did check the element visually, and there are several large dark brown spots on it. Thought it was rust at first, but the elements are brass, aren't they?

It started tripping the RCD when my partner went to use it when I was at work. I told him that the machine simply knew he was a liability to fragile old appliances, and was merely protecting itself.

He, on the other hand, has started to refer to it as Christine...

Si


Post# 197182 , Reply# 70   3/13/2007 at 19:45 (6,224 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Rinsing

That's why my mum never used that function.

And that also explains why the twintub powders still contain phosphates: they rinse away much better (apart from the suds!) than the modern automatic zeolite formulations.



Post# 197286 , Reply# 71   3/14/2007 at 02:31 (6,224 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
74simon, Rolls_rapide

Simon, yes give it a try - if you do not like it the alu-foil can be removed easly with a corkscrew.
I also put in the washing first and switch the machine on after having closed the lid because of splashing and to give a full wash-time to each garment.
Concerning your heater-element: brown stains are a hint to a broken wire and it is destroyed and needs replacement!
My Hotpoint does rinse very well in the auto-rinse mode, but you are right in saying so that phosphate-powders and especially soap-based ones rinse out much quicker and easier than zeolite-based detergents. But what can I do? There are no longer such powders available on the German market...
And rinsng in a different machine or doing it in the tub spoils all the advantages a twin-tub has!
Ralf


Post# 197657 , Reply# 72   3/15/2007 at 17:48 (6,222 days old) by johnbirmingham ()        
HMDL

Hi 74Simon,
Thanks for the compliments on my machine. I have owned the machine for about 3 years now & yes i have replaced several parts on it, the list follows:-

Drive pulley including bearing that sits on pedestal mount
New genuine Hoover pump & belt
New resilient mount counterface & seal
Changed mechanical wash timer to an electric one, the old one was starting to seize and kept breaking the control knob
New heater pressure switch & diaphram
New wash sump hose
New drive belt (spin)
New outlet hose

I think thats about it !! Shes worth it lol that machine is the love of my life xx

It is very hard not to use the T5024 but I am determined not to as I want to keep a `NEW` Machine.
I`m glad you agree with Ralf & myself about rinsing in another machine as you said it just aint right !

Alot of the parts mentioned above are new but some were sourced from a T5090 that i broke down because at one time i had 4 of them LOL. You mentioned in earlier post about only washing one or two pairs of jeans at a time, this is about right, for some reason Hoovermatics do not like denim.
I really don`t think it would be the belt. I have owned various Hoovermatics over the last 25 years & have never known the wash drive belt needing replacement.

What type of noise do you think is not right with yours??
On the spin side sometimes the transax pin which secures the drive shaft into the heavy pulley can work loose, tighten it with an allen key as this can cause spin can noise

Rinsing in the Hotpoint, I have a 9414 which i rarely use, the spin tub & can may be filled to the top with water i think because of the clutch mechanism which alows the pump to operate at full speed whilst the can will build up speed as the water reduces.
I just find the Hotpoint too slow at rinsing compared to the Hoover !! as said before just love my Tanglematics too much lol
Ralf, i will get the Hotpoint out soon & upload some pics as it is a mint example,
Anyway Bye for now x
John.


Post# 197736 , Reply# 73   3/16/2007 at 03:20 (6,222 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Hy John

That was really nice information about your machines!
As much as you like your Hoover I actually like my Hotpoint.
Best for auto-rinse is really the Hotpoint auto-rinse which I also "tuned" a bit....lol. Can't keep my fingers away from that.....
I sealed the two halfs of the spinner cover-ring, the one with the spray-holes in, together with silicone, as I found out that a part of the water pours like a ring shower arround the outside of the spin-can; it fills the outer container instead the spinner drum, to say so! What a waste, I thought!
Also I closed the littel hole at the nozzel that leads to the spray ring-cover which has the purpose to let water run out of the hose when disconnecting from the rear inlet nozzel. But this costs also unused water that just runs into the outer container of the spinner! To avoid spilling now I have to blow out the water from the hose first befoe disconnecting the hose from the machine. But that isn't really a heavy job to do - isn't it?!?! lolol
So, with my machine EVERY drop of water HAS to go INTO the spinner drum and can only escape THROUGH the washing in it!
Consequence: the first rinse seems to never come to an end, I thought first, because of the foam appearing in the outer container during the first spin-rinse, as no by-passing fresh water is "killing" it any more like before.
BUT: since then the machine only needs two rinses anymore! Because equivalent to the amount of foam in the outer container there's still an amount of suds in the washing and the very moment the foam collapses, the water leaving the garments in the spinner drum is nearly suds free, too!
Then the machine will do another final soak and spin-off rinse and - perfectly done!
So, automatically by the physical regulator circuit of foam the machine "knows" when the washing is rinsed. I tested it with more and less powder and different garments as well: the more detergent or the more absorbent the garment - the more foam - the longer the first rinse - automatically!

Ralf



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