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Post# 193592   2/25/2007 at 20:14 (6,240 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        

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Just went out today shopping for a FL washer for a friend who knows nothing about laundry. After serveral stops, I decided on this washer.... A Frigidaire FL. Has lots of options, does not seem to complicated to operate, and is suitable for the application(washing comforters, dog pillows, blankets).

Does anyone have any feedback on this model or other models of Frigidaire FL washers?

The pricing seemed good.



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Post# 193600 , Reply# 1   2/25/2007 at 20:49 (6,240 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Frigidaire!

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Hi Gary,
My mother has the model just above this one. It is a good choise. In terms of a front loader you get the most for your money with a Frigidaire. I wish I had got one of these models instead of the problem LG I have.
Peter


Post# 193812 , Reply# 2   2/26/2007 at 20:40 (6,239 days old) by stainfighter (Columbia, SC)        
feedback on other Frigidaire Fls...

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We have the 3.1 cf 2001 edition and paid this same amount back then. this is a lot of FL for the $! My only recommendation - don't bother with the matching dryer. With that kind of capacity one needs a larger dryer. They squeezed out another .1 cf in the matching unit, now 5.8 (v. our 5.7). That's not enough capacity to dry a comforter in, a dryer with 7.0 cf or preferrably 7.5 would be the way to go - imho :)

Post# 193863 , Reply# 3   2/26/2007 at 23:47 (6,239 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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those are good machines....I have the model above that one. I've been very satisfied with it....does a very good job.

Post# 193878 , Reply# 4   2/27/2007 at 03:55 (6,239 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City)        

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i have a friend that has the Kenmore version of the above model,it is used, and abused, and her and her husban love it. no complants

Post# 193879 , Reply# 5   2/27/2007 at 04:02 (6,239 days old) by sudsman ()        
That is a good model

I have a neighbor that has 8 kids she abuses it like you would not beleive.. and it does very well .

Post# 194094 , Reply# 6   2/28/2007 at 05:36 (6,238 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

"Advanced Rinsing Technology (ART) creates a fresh water rinse, virtually eliminating detergent residue for whiter whites and less skin irritation"

Excuse me, I am having trouble understanding the Madison Ave. bull crap factor in this "advantage" of the machine. It must be important because there is a three letter acronym for this advantage. If anyone has this washer, could you please tell me about the rinsing? One of the other features on the spec sheet is "second rinse." Does it not normally give a second rinse?
Thank you, Tom


Post# 194103 , Reply# 7   2/28/2007 at 06:38 (6,238 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Though do not have this machine, ART is discussed on antother thread about vintage Bendix washing machines. IIRC Advanced Rinse Technology is a fancy name for something many laundromat/commercial washers do: tumble laundry one way while water enters the tub, with the drain open. Basically clean water flushes though the laundry and tub rinsing the wash for a set amount of time, then the drain closes and machine begins to fill for the rinse. Have only see this feature on Wascomat machines in laudromats where it seems to work quite well.

L.


Post# 194123 , Reply# 8   2/28/2007 at 08:18 (6,238 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Advanced Rinse Technology with these machines I believe is identical to the Advanced Rinse Technology that are on (electrolux made) AEG machines here, and is just a fancy name for Zanussi's jetsystem recirculating spray.

If anything, with my AEG the Advanced Rinse Technology hindered rather than helped rinsing, as at the beginning of each rinse it would dump suds from the last rinse right on the laundry, and the constant recirculating of the water also made foaming an issue sometimes.

Jon


Post# 194145 , Reply# 9   2/28/2007 at 09:56 (6,238 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

This and the similar Kenmore model will probably be "Affordable Choice Number Two" after the Duet/HE3, when I go to buy....

Whether the Duet is an affordable option or not is probably for another thread, but I confess I am biased towards it.

I'm NUTS about this Frigidaire, though....have seen it in person, and believe it is a more economical option.

If I am not mistaken, there is a rebadged GE version that is possibly identical.



Post# 194148 , Reply# 10   2/28/2007 at 10:01 (6,238 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Rinsing!

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In the last rinse the machine will fill to a higher water level. Not all the way up but just below the door line. But in the rest of the phases it is at a lower water level like most front loaders today. I am sure that is what they mean by Advanced Rinse Technology .
It is a good machine. My mother has the model above this one with a few more features and I think it is Great. And the price is right. If I was replacing this I would get one of these.
Peter


Post# 194208 , Reply# 11   2/28/2007 at 17:20 (6,237 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        
Tom

"Advanced Rinsing Technology (ART) creates a fresh water rinse, virtually eliminating detergent residue for whiter whites and less skin irritation"

I agree. Any rinse cycle would use fresh water. The description is either very lacking or there really isn't that much 'technology' after all.

Some much needed technology IMO would be more water, higher temps, and less wash time.


Post# 194258 , Reply# 12   2/28/2007 at 23:35 (6,237 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

is this a "world model"

meaning, produced for and sold in other markets


Post# 194268 , Reply# 13   12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,810 days old) by norgeman ()        
Re: Decodriveboy:

I couldn't agree with you more. I think that if the new front loaders used a little more water like up to the window for washing and for rinsing it would do a better job of washing and make for better watching. Kind of like the old Westinghouse Laundromats or something like that. Danf.

Post# 194330 , Reply# 14   3/1/2007 at 12:50 (6,236 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
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I've asked Frigidaire what, component- and/or operation-wise, "Advanced Rinsing Technology" specifically indicates. We'll see what they have to say.

Post# 194353 , Reply# 15   3/1/2007 at 15:26 (6,236 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        
Norgeman

I absolutely love those old Westys and Bendixes for that very reason!

Sometimes I wonder if in the near future we will see window-level water as the market continues to push consumers to buy FLs. Eventually there is likely to be a demand for machines which give people the ability to further customize their cycles instead of only being allowed preset features.

Adding to that, I'd love to see new washers offered based on the designs of the 1950's and 1960's, as they have now with stoves and refrigerators.

Imagine a new front loader that looked, say, like a 1956 Duomatic - except with 4.0 cubic feet....now that would be a dream come true!


Post# 194756 , Reply# 16   3/3/2007 at 22:29 (6,234 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
Very happy with my Frigidaire 2140

Bought it a year ago. Works like a charm. Mid-sized with 3.5 cu ft capacity (Frigidaire does not make anything larger). Best of all, I have good quality, front-loading cleaning performance for about half of what the "prestige" brands cost.

If I could have done it over again, I might have chosen the 2940, because it offers automatic temperature control, and the prices for the two models have converged to about the same. This machine can be found in Southern California for under $550, and usually there is a $100 water district rebate (may not apply in less thirsty areas of the USA) and a gas co. rebate, in my case $135. I bought the matching dryer (solid door, gas) and stacked the units in my garage; the space where the old washer stood now holds a folding table.

As others have mentioned, the dryer capacity (5.7 cu ft) leaves something to be desired. King sized comforters have to be removed once and turned during drying, but I don't wash comforters every day, only once every few months. I'm simply grateful that I can wash my comforters at home and not have to take them to a laundromat or dry cleaner.

With any complex appliance, I'd get an extended warranty.


Post# 194759 , Reply# 17   3/3/2007 at 22:33 (6,234 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
Gary---the model in your link is identical to my 2140

Either they changed the model number, or else it's a special model for sale at Best Buy only (Frigidaire does this for Lowe's as well). The Frigidaire website (see link below) still calls it the 2140. In any case, the one you selected is the one I have, and I've been very happy with it for one year now. I know it's not the same as saying "I bought it ten years ago and it works like new", but so far, so good.

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Post# 194761 , Reply# 18   3/3/2007 at 22:38 (6,234 days old) by pumper (SE Wisconsin)        
rinsing

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I have this machine and it does not fill up higher on the final rinse. All rinses are the same low level.

Post# 194763 , Reply# 19   3/3/2007 at 22:41 (6,234 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
rebates

I made an error above...my TOTAL rebates were $135. The post made it look like I received $135 from the gas company alone. It was $100 from water district and $35 from gas co.

Post# 194769 , Reply# 20   3/3/2007 at 22:56 (6,234 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Another reason to love my vintage Miele washer. Low level wash and high level rinses. Another nice thing is since my machine does not have a built in water "sensor", but rather a "half load" button, can get a low level wash by pressing the button, but still get a high level rinse by unclicking the button before rinse cycles start.

L.



Post# 194809 , Reply# 21   3/4/2007 at 08:19 (6,234 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

"...all rinses are the same low level..."

but this is one of the main reasons

that the 2140 is topping off my list

more water for better rinsing

:(


Post# 195091 , Reply# 22   3/5/2007 at 16:11 (6,232 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
ART!

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Frigidaire says:

''Thank you for your interest in Electrolux Major Appliances.
Advanced Rinse Technology (ART) showers the clothing with fresh, clean
water (not recycled) at the end of the rinse to provide more effective
rinsing. The customer benefits to this are whiter whites and less
irritation to sensitive skin.
Hope this is helpful.''


Post# 195126 , Reply# 23   3/5/2007 at 20:12 (6,232 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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So, fresh water flows in during the drain portion of the rinse cycle? Is that what they're saying?

My washer does this at the end of the wash portion of the cycle---I think people around here call it a 'suds flush'.



Post# 196697 , Reply# 24   3/11/2007 at 20:16 (6,226 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
What a great machine

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Controls

Post# 196699 , Reply# 25   3/11/2007 at 20:18 (6,226 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Detergent Dispenser

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Post# 196724 , Reply# 26   3/11/2007 at 21:50 (6,226 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Dispenser

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Open



Now if I could get a window on my Neptune I would be HAPPY!


Post# 196729 , Reply# 27   3/11/2007 at 21:59 (6,226 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Now if I could get a window on my Neptune I would be HAPPY!

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I'll be right there with my "sawz-all".

Vroom Vroom!


Post# 196757 , Reply# 28   3/11/2007 at 23:12 (6,226 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Yay!

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Another reason to:


"See it Wash"


Post# 196823 , Reply# 29   3/12/2007 at 10:08 (6,226 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
That's the front of my machine, all right....

GadgetGary,

The controls and dispenser are identical to those of my 2140.

My guess is that this is a specially-numbered (renumbered) model for Best Buy only. Frigidaire did this earlier with the 2940 at Lowes. The Lowes version had a different color window rim (blue rather than black) and the letter sequence in front of the model number was different. It never appeared on the Frigidaire website, it only appeared at Lowes.

I'm very happy with my machine thus far. A bit of foam was left at the end of the wash, and I use HE detergent. I began adding a few tablespoons of Borax to remedy our hard water, and since doing that there has been virtually no foam or suds left at the end of the wash. Other people here have mentioned using Calgon, but I can't find it locally in the markets. However, it's fairly easy to find Borax, and one of its uses is as a water conditioner in areas with hard water.


Post# 196828 , Reply# 30   3/12/2007 at 10:32 (6,226 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
ART

The Advanced Rinse Technology I think refers to a complete water change; i.e. water is spun out and drained away, so that each rinse dilutes any remaining detergent to negligable amounts.

My previous AEG had ART, but it plastered laundry to the drum walls, as a clean-water spray was fed from the valves (no pump), via a 4-hole 'jet' located at the top of the doorseal. It would only employ this procedure for the rinses. It also seemed to be more intelligent, in that it would omit a rinse if it sensed it was able to, or add a rinse for too much foam.

My current Zanussi has a pump and its rinsing involves variable-speed tumbling, plastering the laundry, and spin-bursts. It has fixed rinsing (not intelligent enough!).


Post# 196873 , Reply# 31   3/12/2007 at 14:26 (6,225 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
The controls and dispenser are identical to those of my 2140

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PassatDoc:


And as mentioned above, we saw the same controls on the GE at Homo Depot. I liked the graphics a bit better on the GE, but, essentially the same machine.

It really is a great performer for the $$.


Post# 197883 , Reply# 32   3/16/2007 at 18:48 (6,221 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        
Frigidaire FL

Can that smoke-covered lens on the window be removed?

Post# 197884 , Reply# 33   3/16/2007 at 18:58 (6,221 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Hmmmmm

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The window is smoke colored too......

Post# 197947 , Reply# 34   3/16/2007 at 23:05 (6,221 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        

I looked inside mine, and the part that curves in is clear....only the flat lens out front is smoky. Would love to take it off, has anyone done this?

Post# 198979 , Reply# 35   3/22/2007 at 12:20 (6,215 days old) by norgeman ()        
Re: Decodriveboy, Westinghouse Laundromats:

Deco, can you just emagine a Laundromat with 3.8cf drum on it that would be amazing and great washing as it would handle a king size comforter and atually get it clean. Im very partial to the Westinghouses I like the design of them compact but holds atlot of clothes and the weight to save load a door which tells you how much water to use for the load. I wish that they would let us adjust the water level instead of doing it automatically, (I agree with you on this point.)Danf.

Post# 199030 , Reply# 36   3/22/2007 at 19:06 (6,215 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        

Who knows.... that would be great though. Manufacturers might see this website and take note of what laundry enthusiasts and historians think. Adjustable water levels on front loaders might be a new feature they can promote on future FLs. Maybe the water plus feature on some current washers is a beginning to that.

Post# 199035 , Reply# 37   3/22/2007 at 19:31 (6,215 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Miele washing machines offered "Water Plus" option IIRC starting with the 1900 series but was phased out by the 1200 series, not sure if newer models added the feature back.

IIRC when the option was selected more water was added for the wash and or rinse cycles. Very handy option for use to remove detergent residue for those whom have allergies, and or laundering items that require more water. Can get the same effect on my Miele W1070 by selecting "delicate" cycle then after the machine finishes filling, changing the cycle over to "Cottons" or "Permanent Press". Usually do this when laundering really bulky items and or a set of crisp percale bed linens that do not compact down like other cotton items. Because of the extra water everything comes out nice and clean with far less creasing/wrinkling. Oh, by default my machine uses high water for all rinses so do not need to do the same trick again for rinse cycles.

L.


Post# 199039 , Reply# 38   3/22/2007 at 19:36 (6,215 days old) by coldspot ()        

hi

I own this washer and the flat lens is a snap to remove.

remove screws from the Door hinges on the washer.

set door front side down.

Remove handle

remove the hinges

Remove the part that locks the door into the washer. The little tab that is on the door part.

Door will come apart.

flat lens is easy to remove now. It is held by for or six screws. Been a long time so forgot how many. Remove then and the ring part. Lens is off. Put the ring back on to hold the main clear glass.

Put door back together in the reinstall it to the washer.

Your done and have a door with a clear glass you can see in.


Post# 199042 , Reply# 39   3/22/2007 at 19:43 (6,215 days old) by coldspot ()        

I will take a photo of it as soon as the batters charge for my cam,

It only took me about 20 min to remove the lens. It looks nicer. My next move is to have a new door handle made for it. The one on it is ok but chrome would look better. Being it is long I thought about just useing to large pull knobs.


Post# 199064 , Reply# 40   3/22/2007 at 20:50 (6,215 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        
Coldspot

...my hero! thanks :)

Post# 199078 , Reply# 41   3/22/2007 at 22:28 (6,215 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

On the US Miele Machines, water plus is now called sensitive.

On the 1000 series machines, it can be configured to do the following:

High level wash/rinse
Extra rinse only
Extra rinse with high level wash/rinse.

You need to download the Australian or UK manual for the 2515 to perform these config changes on the current 1000 series machines.

The 4000 series machines in the UK dont describe how to change the function of the water plus button, so perhaps that has been removed.


Post# 199103 , Reply# 42   3/23/2007 at 06:01 (6,215 days old) by coldspot ()        

Here are some photos. One shows it is clear glass I put a bottle in it so you can see it.



Post# 199104 , Reply# 43   3/23/2007 at 06:02 (6,215 days old) by coldspot ()        

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Post# 199107 , Reply# 46   3/23/2007 at 06:12 (6,215 days old) by coldspot ()        

In Post# 199105

see the four screws two for the handle two for the thing that locks the door. Them can be removed before or after you take it off the washer.

The handle will just pull straight out once the screws are removed.

The thing that locks it just sets there. So remove the screws it it comes right off.

hinge screws need to be removed from the washer first. The the side of the door. Once you got them out the door front part just lifts and slides off.

Your half way home there is a black ring the size of the lens. Remove screws. Lens sets under the ring remove the ring. Put rblack ring back on and screw it down.

Slide door back together. At this point put the hinges back on the door and handle and lock thing. Put door back on washer.

Your now done and can see inside the washer.

Door is some what heavy but I removed by myself. I used my legs to help hold it.


Post# 199187 , Reply# 47   3/23/2007 at 17:35 (6,214 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        

The pics look great -- so much better without the lens! thanks for posting.

Post# 199214 , Reply# 48   3/23/2007 at 20:10 (6,214 days old) by coldspot ()        

Your welcome.


I tell when I first got it I did not like the freaking lens at all. I got to thinking it can not be hard to take it off. After about 1 hour think about it I gave it a shot. It worked and then a few weeks later I found a parts list online that showed it just like I did it. Talk about happy.

I am the type that must see in my washer. I like to know if it is going to over suds or say I left something in my pockets.


Post# 199337 , Reply# 49   3/24/2007 at 15:42 (6,213 days old) by cny4 (Central New York)        

What can you tell us about the cycles? How long are they, how many washes/rinses etc. What is "sport" on the cycle dial?

Post# 199343 , Reply# 50   3/24/2007 at 17:01 (6,213 days old) by coldspot ()        

I love it I use normal most of the time. This link is the guide and tells about each cycle. Hope the link works,


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Post# 199346 , Reply# 51   3/24/2007 at 17:17 (6,213 days old) by coldspot ()        

Sport is the same as heavy but adds 1 more spin and rinse to the wash. It is about 53 min.

Heavy has 3 rinses. And you can add 1 to it plus the extra spin.

Wxtra spin makes the last spin for any wash run longer. I use it some times but only for heavy type items.

Soak is about 30 to 40 min. It uses cold water only and does spin. The guide says a slow spin but you can set it for high med low no spin.

Hand wash and delicate to me are about the same. I think one has on less spin and there not as fast.

Quick is the best for shirts that are not so dirty. It is only about 25 min. Talk about getting stuff done fast.





Post# 199362 , Reply# 52   3/24/2007 at 18:55 (6,213 days old) by cny4 (Central New York)        

Coldspot:
Thank you for the link, it was very informative. I think this will be my next washer when my Kitchen Aid goes.


Post# 199366 , Reply# 53   3/24/2007 at 19:35 (6,213 days old) by coldspot ()        

I must say I love this washer. I got mine when they first came to the stores. It is uses about 2 times a week some times 4 loads in one day and works just like new. Never even had to have it serviced.





Post# 199386 , Reply# 54   3/24/2007 at 22:17 (6,213 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
Sport cycle on 2140

The sport cycle, according the the manual, is for small loads of synthetic athletic clothing (e.g. lycra) which has more perspiration/oil than actual dirt/soil. The cycle takes about 40 minutes. I don't know about water consumption, but given that it's intended for "small loads", I imagine it uses less water than the Heavy Cycle. There is 10 minutes of soaking with occasional tumbling, then 6 minutes of full tumble washing, followed by three rinses and then final spin.

I have had my machine for a full year, but not as long as coldspot. I waited until some online reviews had appeared! This machine can be found at discounters in the low $500s range, plus many utilities grant rebates. I paid $600, but there were $135 in rebates from the water district and gas utility.

I am delighted with the performance. The tub is large enough for king sized comforter or sleeping bag. The delicate and handwash cycles work great as well. I can wash anything except a garment that requires dry cleaning.

The long-term durability is unproven, since the model is relatively new. Coldspot, do you remember when the 2140 was introduced? I took out a five year extended warranty, just in case. I always use HE detergent and I use it sparingly.

I also began using Borax---a few tablespoons to condition our hard local water. I noticed that there are few suds (or film) left on the gasket and inner window after the wash.

Coldspot I think I will remove the dark lens on my machine. Thanks for the directions. :)


Post# 199410 , Reply# 55   3/25/2007 at 05:34 (6,213 days old) by coldspot ()        

I got the washer on the 7/16/2005 at Lowes. Then it cost around $835.00.




Post# 199411 , Reply# 56   3/25/2007 at 05:40 (6,213 days old) by coldspot ()        

Oh the date tag on the waher it was made on the 06/2005. So it took it a few weeks to hit the stores.

Big plus for me is you can turn off the beep sound. I hate it ever time you push a button it goes beep and at the end of wash it beep's for a min I think.

It is not a loud beep but drives me up the wall.


Post# 199514 , Reply# 57   3/25/2007 at 20:57 (6,212 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
my favorite feature

I really use the eight hour delay wash. Quite often I'll load the machine about 9 pm (21:00), but I don't have time to stay up and wait for the load to wash and then dry. The machine starts itself at 05:00 and the cycle is done by the time I wake up at 06:00. The clothes then dry in 30-40 minutes, thanks to the final spin (I think it's 950 rpm, not spectacular, but adequate).

The next higher model, the 2940, has a variable delay timer (rather than one choice of eight hours delay) and automatic temperature control. If I were shopping today, I'd buy it, because its price has dropped to the same level as the 2140, but it was about $100 higher when I went shopping a year ago. The 2940 has a silver window rim (blue rim on the model produced for Lowes) and I can't remember if it has a smoke tinted lens like the 2140---it would be awesome if the lens were clear.


Post# 199517 , Reply# 58   3/25/2007 at 21:07 (6,212 days old) by neptunebob (Pittsburgh, PA)        
Doesn't anyone here play sports?

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Sport cycle is probably for Under Armor, which is all the rage for athletes, is expensive and is worn by Dog the Bounty Hunter. My BIL has a lot of Under Armor. My sister with the He4t doesn't have a sport cycle but she uses the Kids Wear cycle, which does a good job - even though they don't have any kids.

Post# 199669 , Reply# 59   3/26/2007 at 20:54 (6,211 days old) by cny4 (Central New York)        

Does anyone have a video of this machine in action?


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