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Post# 196815   3/12/2007 at 09:28 (6,247 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

This for Darren's benefit.

This arrived in 1993, and passed onto a friend in 2000.

The machine arrived on my birthday in 1993, and from day one had niggly problems (the door wouldn't release properly).

The machine was supposed to ramp into a "spin-burst" during washing (every 6th cycle of clockwise motion, according to the Service Data Book: sometimes it did, sometimes it didn't. I noticed that if the machine took in stone-cold water only, it would do the spin-bursts. If the water was anywhere near lukewarm, it omitted them.

The Hoover engineer was summoned to fix the door release (belt-pecker needed adjusting) and I mentioned about the erratic spin-bursts. He thought that the motor control was a little rough, so he ordered a new pcb.

Anyway, a week later he came back to fit it, and in the process scratched the front panel! So he had to come back again. Needless to say, the spin-bursts were still touch'n'go.

The machine also had a habit of going into the "abort sequence", usually half-way through the wash phase itself. This would entail pumping out, and then sitting pretty with all led's flashing in unison! This being an early model, it had no fault locating. Towards the end, after it did this four times the same day, my mother eventually "lost the rag" with this machine, and bought a cheap Hoover (Candy based) model.

Another time, about 1995, the New Wave was washing at breakfast-time. Suddenly there were two loud bangs in succession, and the power went off.

It turned out that there was a nick in the doorseal and water had sprayed down onto the heater terminals during the spin-bursts, blowing it and the plug fuse, and tripping the circuit breaker. This was reason for the subsequent Product Recall; to fit a plastic guard to avoid this scenario. According to the engineer, there had been a fire in another machine!

This machine also had a flawed design in the door-interlock peg. The peg on the door was polypropylene (moulded as part of the door-inner). Through time, the interlock's microswitch acctuator (sharp, pointy "blade"), would scrape and gouge a channel on the peg, each time the door was opened and closed. Eventually, the machine would refuse to start, as the door would appear to be "not closed".

Subsequent "Quattro" machines had a metal alloy peg to alleviate this problem.

A further problem with the New Wave range, was the minimal drum-tub gap. This was to reduce water consumption to 68 litres for a cottons load. Unfortunately, this had a propensity to cause "suds-lock" of too much detergent was used. Even using a normal amount of detergent (normal for the previous Hoover Ecologic 1200) caused the same effect. The detergents we used at that time were Ariel Ultra, then Ariel Future.

The rinsing in the New Wave was quite impressive. The machine had a rinsing procedure called "Dynamic Spin-Rinsing".

Previous Hoover machines would rinse, drain, then do a low level spin, then go onto the next rinse.

The New Wave drained its rinse water, then proceeded to:

distribute, ramp into 500 (or 600rpm) for 10 seconds. Stop;
distribute, ramp into 800rpm for 10 seconds. Stop;
distribute, ramp into 1000rpm for 15 seconds. Stop;
distribute, ramp into 1300rpm for 20 second period. Cut the motor power, and while the drum was decelerating, activate the water valve to spray the laundry with the front-fill water inlet.

Of course, the machine behaved erratically; sometimes it did this sequence, other times it skipped the 1000 and 1300 spins. Probably out of balance, or suds-lock.

Eventually, the final spin was wavering all over the place, but operated okay on the minimum iron programme, so the machine got passed onto a friend who was still using it up until last year.

Darren had a New Wave washer-drier? Apparently after the final spin on the wash cycle, the washer-drier would go through a "deplastering sequence" to attempt to remove the laundry from the circumference of the drum. This entailed tumbling, interspersed with 500rpm spins.





Post# 196829 , Reply# 1   3/12/2007 at 10:49 (6,247 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Sounds about right for the rubbish Candy turn out and the New Waves I think were Candys quick and cheap way of converting Hoover machines to their own, as quickly as they could whilst using up stocks of Hoover Parts.
Im guessing that the New Wave models were the first re design steps to the demise of the decent Hoovers and it shows for the blatant styling they have that replicate Candy's.

Im surprised that many of the faults you have mentioned carried over to the next range as they were present on my Mums Quattro AA230.

Mums Quattro never once did the "double drum spreed rotation" is it should have done according to the brochure and the jet system would only bother coming on for small periods in the wash. However this wasnt really an issue as my Mum didnt really know about what the machine was supposed to do.

Also the door took a fair old shove to shut it to get the machine working and subsequently would be hard to open after the wash cycle had finished.

We had to press the door release button with one hand and lift the door up with the other to get it over the latch.
I remember my parents went on holiday and in the first day of them being away when pushing the door up I put my hand thru the protective door cover and it shattered into a mess.

Luckily the local repair centre ordered one in for me and I was able to fit it. Low and behold not long after my parents came back, Mum also put her hand thru it and it wasnt replaced.

Nick


Post# 196831 , Reply# 2   3/12/2007 at 11:09 (6,247 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Actually, Nick, the New Waves were Hoover's own design and were being developed whilst Hoover was still owned by Maytag - the Hoover Candy's didn't appear until the Hoover Quattro's/Performa's in the late 90s. The New Wave's were in effect an evolution of the Ecologic design.

Jon


Post# 196832 , Reply# 3   3/12/2007 at 11:19 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Nick, Candy had NOTHING to do with the Newwave models. Candy aqquired Hoover in 1995 but didnt produce anything until the quattros. They were the first collaboration between hoover and candy.

Strange that your mums machine had those problems Rolls_rapide. I was well pleased with mine. When i get my chance i will buy another. I know 3 people who've had them from new washing for four people without fault.

When i bought mine it needed a new dryer element which i fitted, i changed the brushes through choice but the major fault was the module it wouldn't do 1300. I was more than happy with mine.

It was more advanced than any Hotpoint, Zanussi or Electrolux at the time and the most economcial without comrpromising performance. The fact that it used centrifugal force to maximise performance with low consumption was extremely advanced at the time and still is if you ask me.

They were the only washing machine to be awarded the eco label. Which was meant to debut with the first range but it was still being processed and was later added to the plus 5 models.

I got spin washing on all the cottons and synthetic progs which was highly effective and entertaining. I stil consider the new wave to be one of my favourite models of all time.

Darren


Post# 196833 , Reply# 4   3/12/2007 at 11:19 (6,247 days old) by sparkcymru ()        
It's a Hoover through n through

What has the New Wave got to do with Candy? The New wave was thought out in 1989 and launched in 1993 , Hoovers own design well before Candy become the owners in 1995.Still a proper Hoover.

Steve


Post# 196836 , Reply# 5   3/12/2007 at 11:30 (6,247 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
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"I think were Candys quick and cheap way of converting"

"Im guessing that the New Wave models were the first re design steps"

its how it appeared to me.

Nick


Post# 196837 , Reply# 6   3/12/2007 at 11:35 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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they were redesigned, but into more eco friendly machines!
Nothing to do with build quality really! Yes they did get a bit plasticky but not as much as hotpoints or even zanussis were at the time.

Then the crappy candy era came along. Which you may blame until the cows come home if you so wish!

Darren


Post# 196841 , Reply# 7   3/12/2007 at 12:18 (6,247 days old) by islingtonsteve ()        

Rolls_Rapide....A real shame you had so many little problems with your New Wave. My mum bought the plus 5 1400 in 95/6 i think and was very impressed with it so when I moved out a few months later I bought the New Wave plus 5 1500 model. My mums is still going strong 11/12 years later with no repairs needed so far. Mine was still going strong when I put it into storage in 2002 to move to Sydney. It was dropped down a flight of stairs by removals last year when i took it out of storage and sadly had to be dumped.

I've been thro a Bosch since and it didn't compare to the New Wave machines. Awesome machines and as Darren says they where years ahead of other manufacters. In fact 12 years on and there really hasn't been much improvement. Apart from dropping 10 or so litres of water per wash load but to the detriment of the rinsing performance. They were also a fun machine to watch. The spin bursts and spin rinsing were great ideas and a shame that they were dropped when Candy made the Quattro machines under Hoovers name.
The final spin had that awesome Hoover 'gear shift' sound as it dropped from 800 for a sec or so before it ramped straight up to 1500 for three or so mins.

As for the sunslocking - I clearly remember the user manual have a couple lines in Bold about using very diffferent wash phases and parts and therefore needing a reduced amount of detergent.. A real shame the Org Hoover comp isn't around today - but the New Wave plus 5 was a great machine to go out on and pi**ed over anything that it's nearest rival was selling at the time.


Post# 196878 , Reply# 8   3/12/2007 at 14:47 (6,247 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Differences of the New Wave machines

Thanks for all your replies.

The early New Wave machines were purely electronic, in that the timing circuitry was done by microchips. This range did not to have a fault locator, nor a programme-progress indication, nor wash temperature indication. Apparently the boards were the least reliable parts of the machines!

The later machines (New Wave Plus 5) had a hybrid electronic-electromechanical timer; had all the things that the early models didn't.

I really liked the style of the fascia, with the 'wave' bezel.

The Which? magazine tested the machine around about 1993, and found the dial control easy to use. (Wish Hoover kept it for their current ranges!)

Around this time Which? tested 25 different machines: 13 machines turned out to be faulty! One of them was the "New Wave" which had a faulty pcb. I think another was the "Classica" that washed too hot (50degrees instead of 40). A Bosch leaked from its internal hose; another machine (was it Philips/Whirlpool?) had to be withdrawn from testing because it shook itself to bits.

It was the worst writeup I've seen.


Post# 196880 , Reply# 9   3/12/2007 at 14:59 (6,247 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Aquarius1984

The "New Wave", "Classica" and "Softwave" ranges were the last genuine Hoover-designed machines, as other posters have mentioned. I remember thinking at the time that, Hoover had copied Hotpoint in the tub/door-interlock design.

"Lifting the door..." We had to do the same! Even after the engineer fitted a metal spring to release the door.


Post# 196883 , Reply# 10   3/12/2007 at 15:08 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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My model was from 1994, when i selected a prog it would flash between the number of the programme you'd selected and the temp it runs at. and its countdown began once you pressed start -9 thru to -1 which were the different programme stages. I didn't have a manual but soon got to know which was which.

I had a classica back in 1997. It once had a rather entertaining fault. The pump failed at it span at 1000rpm with a tub full of rinse water lol needless to say the items were well rinsed lol. i switched it off as soon as i realised i didnt want to blow it up lol!

It would be nice if i could find a plus 5 model. preferabley high speed and in one of the many colour variants!

Darren


Post# 196884 , Reply# 11   3/12/2007 at 15:12 (6,247 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
Talking of this series of machines

whilst in second year at university (1998) and living out, the machine we inherited with the house (Hotpoint 9541 variable 1000 model) gave up the ghost.

Me and a mate, being the only ones showing an interest in getting a replacement, went to the local second hand appliance bloke and bought the most expensive machine he had (cause it looked good!) - a Hoover Classica 1000 for £175.

Not being particularly knowledgeable about these machines, I think i'd be right in saying this was the middle range of machines, slotting in between the 'new wave' (top - smart and wavey) and 'soft wave' (bottom - horrible, tacky and very plastic - put together from a spare parts raid!).

Anyways, with people mentioning failings of this series of machines, I thought I would mention the entertaining spin cycles of our purchase.

Basically, it seemed to be useless at balancing its loads, but the result was not side to side vibration, but a very alarming coulple of jumps forward (and I mean jumps forward) and associated loud banging, until it got itself sorted.
Once into its stride it was fine.

On manually banging the drum against the front of the machine there appeared to be absolutely no give for back and forward movement. My parents hotpoint 95452 (8 years before its bearing finally went) had huge amounts of back and forward suspension and was always a superbly balanced machine.

I cant imagine any transit bolt, which prevented any back and forward motion, was left in the machine as it had been installed in someones house, removed, repaired or checked over and then installed in ours.

Was this a design flaw or a problem with only my houses machine? Any ideas guys?

Cheers
paul
P.S piccy is not of my machine - but one identical to it



Post# 196886 , Reply# 12   3/12/2007 at 15:18 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Paul!
Sounds like you had a faulty one there! I remember mine having backward and forward movement. Maybe the suspension was naffed?

Heres a pic of one similar to the one i had

Darren


Post# 196887 , Reply# 13   3/12/2007 at 15:25 (6,247 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
bit of a montage

top left - new wave washer dryer
middle right - crystaljet dw (in new wave style)
top right - soft wave washer
bottom left - new wave washer dryer
bottom middle - classica dryer
bottom right - soft wave washer dryer

both the soft waves are on ebay at the moment if anyone is inerested in 'biting'.

Cheers
paul


Post# 196888 , Reply# 14   3/12/2007 at 15:26 (6,247 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

There were green synthetic 'tapes' that were supposed to (I presume) act as limiters in terms of front-to-back movement, alongside the top springs on our New Wave.

Maybe the springs or tapes were knackered?


Post# 196889 , Reply# 15   3/12/2007 at 15:29 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Ha:P tht bottom left pic is the pic of MY newwave lol thts the one tht was on the auction wen i bought it:D Nice montage paul!

Post# 196890 , Reply# 16   3/12/2007 at 15:32 (6,247 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Darren.

More than likely the case.
It was almost as if the suspension was locked as far as front and back was concerned - totally no give.

Consequence - the eventful spin cycles and probably the reason why it found its way to the second hand market.

Thankfully the rubber feet always did their job and it never went 'walkies'. Just happily jumped back and forth each spin cycle, within its cage.

Lovely looking machine, but with a fatal flaw (as far as my machine was concerned anyway).

paul


Post# 196893 , Reply# 17   3/12/2007 at 15:36 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I really liked my classica. Used 75litres so the rinses were a little higher than the newwave! I loved the almond too. That's ideally what i'd like an almond newwave like my friend has, its bloody beautiful!

My newwave when it was on my tilefloor had a habit of walkies, but when i moved it into the garage with the rest and levelled it properly it jst vibrated nicely!

I loved the front fill on it too. Though it'd take an age cuz the clothes just absorbed loads of the water! lol.

Darren


Post# 196894 , Reply# 18   3/12/2007 at 15:39 (6,247 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Matchboxpaul

I liked the look of the "New Wave" "Crystaljet" dishwashers. They apparently suffered from poor washing in the upper basket area. Data Book suggested slow rotational speed of upper spray arm was to blame.

Post# 196895 , Reply# 19   3/12/2007 at 15:40 (6,247 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Darren.

It's image lives in my computer as well.

Looks(ed) in good nick. You got rid though - space constraints or did it give up the ghost?

paul


Post# 196898 , Reply# 20   3/12/2007 at 15:47 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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It was a really difficult decision. The module was faulty and it was only running at 800rpm max. So i began callin it a new wave 800washerdryer instead of 1300 lol. But still managin to get cottons dry in under an hour. I changed the motor brushes to no effect or than it being abit quieter. Which led to me discovering it was a module fault. So i thought for the cost of a new module i may aswell get another model off ebay as they've come up fairly often. So i sold it. I miss it dearly i can't wait to get another!

Darren


Post# 196899 , Reply# 21   3/12/2007 at 15:52 (6,247 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        
rolls rapide

hi there.

never took the top off my classica, so have no idea whether it had green tapes. Would have thought it would though to keep production costs down.
Sounds like I purchased a duffer - entertaining though and whilst in my/our ownership it was well cared for (had a tea towel covering the programmer facia as when water from the sink splashed onto it, it would seep under the gap between the clear top plastic covering and main cream facia plate - looked awful, but I sorted it.
It was visually in top nick when we left it there in june 1998.

Agree with the New Wave styling as a whole (on dishwashers and washers etc) - looked really good.
I don't foresee the day when someone convinces me that any of the soft wave machines looked anything but awful.

One thing though - I don't think I have ever seen a 'New wave' tumble dryer. There are classicas and soft waves occasionally come up on ebay, but not any new waves!
Were they manufactured or did people make do with classicas?
Anyone help with a piccy?

Cheers
paul


Post# 196903 , Reply# 22   3/12/2007 at 15:59 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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The newwave dryer was not myth! There was one on ebay a while back, i had the pic. its disapeered! grr. hes one from my collection of my newwave.

Post# 196904 , Reply# 23   3/12/2007 at 16:01 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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The almond model



Post# 196905 , Reply# 24   3/12/2007 at 16:02 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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British racing green!

Post# 196906 , Reply# 25   3/12/2007 at 16:03 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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The gorgeous silver model

Post# 196907 , Reply# 26   3/12/2007 at 16:03 (6,247 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
New Wave Driers

I believe there were New Wave Driers, sensor-controlled vented models. Not very common, I think. People probably resented paying too much, and bought the cheaper models instead.

Someone I know had the matching New Wave Washer and tumble drier. The tumble drier's bearing gave up the ghost after a very short period of time. She replaced it with a White Knight drier.


Post# 196908 , Reply# 27   3/12/2007 at 16:04 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Graphite with "metalic pewter control panel"

Post# 196909 , Reply# 28   3/12/2007 at 16:09 (6,247 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Newwave1

I loved the look of the 'pewter' "New Wave Plus 5 1500" when it was on sale. It looked real classy.

What happened to the nice colours? We're stuck with white or silver now.


Post# 196919 , Reply# 29   3/12/2007 at 16:27 (6,247 days old) by islingtonsteve ()        

The New Wave Plus 5 1500 I had was the Pewter colour. Looked really stunning, just a shame they didn't make the dryer to match, instead I had to get the white model. Great dryer. The 1500 was a a great model. Seemed to run smoother than the 1400 and it had Digitally controlled & high profile written on the detergent drawer with the programme Guide on a plastic card inside the drawer. It also had a Cycle End signal in the form of three pings and the option buttons bleeped when pressed.


Post# 196924 , Reply# 30   3/12/2007 at 16:35 (6,247 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I always remember my mums friend had an electron series, then they died n she invited me round to see her brand new matchin newwave set stacked ontop of eachother. It took me ages to stop smiling!

Darren


Post# 196950 , Reply# 31   3/12/2007 at 17:53 (6,247 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hoover Waves!!!

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Definately the last original Hoover design...funny, the only bad reports I`ve heard of was from this thread, a lot where sold as "Exclusive Independants" models....

My aunt who had the original 3243H Keymatic now has the New Wave 1500 washer dryer...and I bought my sister a Classica 1100 and compact White Knight dryer when she moved home, 9 years and two babies later she just changed it for a Zanussi 1400 washer dryer after moving again....The Hoover only ever needed one belt and a new dispenser to tub hose, worked nearly every day....

Mike


Post# 197158 , Reply# 32   3/13/2007 at 18:05 (6,246 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Early New Waves

Apparently the early models had a problem with excessive sparking from the motor brushes, which upset the electronics, causing the abort sequence.

The abort sequence could be activated by other factors, such as: 'time-out on heating', 'suds-lock', 'fill failure', 'motor tacho pulses missing' and maybe a few others.

The New Wave Plus 5, 1500rpm had a "new spin combination"; something like 2.5mins at 800rpm, then 2.5 at 1500rpm, as opposed to 4.5mins at 800rpm and 1.5mins at 1300 as our machine did.

With the 1300 model we had, by pressing a couple of buttons and applying the power, you could activate the test mode, enter the spin test, and get it to spin at full tilt for almost 6 minutes!


Post# 197164 , Reply# 33   3/13/2007 at 18:29 (6,246 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        
I love the new wave.

I think its styling is really classic, even if they dropped the square door. In a manufacturer released the New Wave today we would still think it looks stylish with the gentle wave on the control panel, the big round buttons and knobs and that double glazed door.

Here is a really interesting article on the design and development of the New Wave. While I like the look of the Vision machines both the first and second series, after reading this article you wonder what Hoover could of come up with if left to its own devices.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO arrrooohhh's LINK


Post# 197208 , Reply# 34   3/13/2007 at 21:04 (6,246 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

Yes, I know what you mean. I get the impression that Candy is basically stifling Hoover's creativity. The current machines are Candys by another name.

I wonder how environmentally friendly the current Hoover/Candy conglomeration is, as opposed to Hoover during the "New Wave" period?

I know everybody slates Candy as being the bottom of the barrel, but my sister has had the same cheap Candy "Aquaviva 1200", since 1994: no problems.

My brother bought his (even cheaper) Candy "Combiwash 1100" around 1997, no major problems either; just operator error!

And then you get the likes of me, who purchases the top AEG model at the time (1998), and the drum bearings packed in exactly 3 years later! What's the bloody point in spending more money?? It clearly doesn't get you better quality!


Post# 197420 , Reply# 35   3/14/2007 at 11:56 (6,245 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I say this all the time, I would LOVE to see a 2007 fully genuine hoover washer. The evolution of the newwave into something spectacular in 2007.

I bet they wouldn't be slack on water either. I love how all they old brochures promoted economy but not at the expense of compromisng the rinse effectiveness! I still think they'd stand by that and use an economic amount but for adequate rinsing. I wonder if they'd still do the spin-wash? I'd have liked to have seen the real hoover drum develop into the 6, 7 and 8kg models of today!

Ahh if only...Damn that takeover to hell. I say that but without it they would no longer exist would they?

Darren


Post# 198151 , Reply# 36   3/18/2007 at 07:58 (6,241 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Well that didnt take too long! I'm now the proud owner of a British racing green 1400rpm Hoover New Wave! Think its from about 97, 98. Ir's got a manual with it too:D

I'm picking it up next week:D

Heres a pic of it

Darren


Post# 198157 , Reply# 37   3/18/2007 at 08:53 (6,241 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Congrats Darren! I remember the green thing in kitchens. Creda had some green machines goin' on, and for a while kettles, tosters, everything was green! I would say your year estimate is about spot on, I would say the green epoque was '96-2001 LOL

Good luck with the machine buddy.


Post# 198164 , Reply# 38   3/18/2007 at 09:25 (6,241 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Lol nick i liked that "the green epoque" lol.

I'm lookin forward to having one that works properly!

Now anyone want my Quartz, or logic?

Darren


Post# 198183 , Reply# 39   3/18/2007 at 11:51 (6,241 days old) by timon90 (Norway)        
Would love

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I would love to get your Logic, but it's too far away... Is it for 110V, or 230V/50Hz? Cold fill, or cold and hot? Could you email me some pics of it?

Post# 198185 , Reply# 40   3/18/2007 at 11:59 (6,241 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

It will be standard 230/240 Volts, @50Hz.


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