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Post# 197378   3/14/2007 at 10:13 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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In response to an excellent question that Venus posed on another thread, I thought its own thread was in order , particularly as I was very surprised to find out that other companies such as Bosch & Miele also had Keyplate machines.. Hoover UK where the first to bring the Keyplate Technology to market, producing in 1961 the "Automated Hoover Keymatic", the Keyplate was a burgundy coloured bakelite plate with four progs on each side giving eight in all, simply insert the card in and press start.... It was marketed as "Any Fabric Yet To Be Developed" could be washed in this machine, "Simply By Buying A New Keyplate", but as newer machines where made and newer fabrics introduced it didnt quite work out like that....You couldnt use a Keyplate from the first or second series on any other machine or vice versa!!! Version 1, Hoover 3224, Produced 1961 |
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Post# 197379 , Reply# 1   3/14/2007 at 10:15 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197382 , Reply# 2   3/14/2007 at 10:16 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197385 , Reply# 3   3/14/2007 at 10:21 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197388 , Reply# 4   3/14/2007 at 10:24 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197390 , Reply# 5   3/14/2007 at 10:26 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197392 , Reply# 6   3/14/2007 at 10:30 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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That later keplates offered the same programme, could we assume that they would be the same, apparently not so... The following plates are all blanket or woolens washes, the programme is "Read From The Back" of the keyplate, notice how the notches are all different, so... What does this prove?? does it complete the same programme in a different machine timer, or has the programme been "Improved & More Efficient"... |
Post# 197396 , Reply# 7   3/14/2007 at 10:36 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Look at these "Whites" programmes, all wash at 95d but offer slightly different drum rythms & spins etc.... We can also determine that the whites programme offers the max that the machine will run for, in terms of time/temp/rinse & spin....see how LESS GROOVES there are on the max Heavy Soil programme... |
Post# 197398 , Reply# 9   3/14/2007 at 10:41 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197401 , Reply# 10   3/14/2007 at 10:48 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Venus I can understand why the new machines now use a standard timer, these things look hughly complicated, ask Jon Jetcone, I gave him the Hoover Data manual for some bedtime reading , and we didnt see him for two days...LOl, the above machine has the simplist timer mechanism, the top slot is the card reader, the lower the "SPARE", eight progs to a card, simply turn the cards over for another 4 programmes... Simply press the ON button and THEN insert the Keplate |
Post# 197402 , Reply# 11   3/14/2007 at 10:48 (6,224 days old) by retromom ()   |   | |
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Mike, I see that there are two keyplates in the Hoover pictured above. How does that work? |
Post# 197404 , Reply# 12   3/14/2007 at 10:50 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197406 , Reply# 13   3/14/2007 at 10:57 (6,224 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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You can just see the orange Keyplate in the top slot as it engages with the cogs of the programmer...from this point on I`m still learning, I`m gonna get a lesson from the old engineer, cos I`m totally intreagued as to how it works out the different permutations....if anyone else knows, please feel free to build this thread, AND to post all about the other Keyplate machines as well...
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Post# 197422 , Reply# 14   3/14/2007 at 12:06 (6,224 days old) by frontaloadotmy (the cool gay realm)   |   | |
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I think it is just a storage slot for the key not in use. |
Post# 197433 , Reply# 16   3/14/2007 at 12:50 (6,224 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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Thanks, Mike for the tutorial. What an education! Now, if I'm looking for programming----- just let me get a good old 906. |
Post# 197454 , Reply# 17   3/14/2007 at 14:44 (6,223 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)   |   | |
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my favourite (i am biased though!)... the 'matchbox' 3243H Keymatic de Luxe UK version on left German version - top right (also a UK version later on) A3050 Electricity Board Special - bottom right |
Post# 197464 , Reply# 18   3/14/2007 at 15:54 (6,223 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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When did you get that Georgeous to Die for Keymatic Deluxe?? That wasn't in your stable two summers ago!!!!!!!!! Aought! WOw! The machine I used on the Isle of Wight was very simlar to that but the door and release were not chrome they were either white or black. Mike is right he didn't see me for two days, that original timer box was much more complicated and bigger than that 80's deluxe machine. But it is such a cool idea being able to update your wash programs as time goes by. Now it could be done with a thumbdrive. Introducing the Hoover ThumbDrive-0-Matic!! HAHA! I still like the heavy bakelite keyplates they clunk when they are together and they make a neat noise when you slide them against each other too! |
Post# 197493 , Reply# 19   3/14/2007 at 19:03 (6,223 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Steve, it is so simple to use, just one push button & a card, refresh my memory, the 906 is the TOL pushbutton Maytag?? Jon, cant think how you missed the video of this, its outrageous with all the Clunks, Clicks & Whirrs as it bypasses the sequences...Did the Isle of Wight machine have one keyplate or two?? and did it have a see through glass door?? Paul, soz for that, I`ve missed a few more besides, was just showing the 3 variations in Keplate Control, the black Keyplate is from the last one made the A3112... AND of course no Keymatic machine is complete unless it has..... CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK |
Post# 197502 , Reply# 20   3/14/2007 at 19:33 (6,223 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 197518 , Reply# 21   3/14/2007 at 20:40 (6,223 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)   |   | |
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Nothing wrong with your memory! |
Post# 197526 , Reply# 23   3/14/2007 at 21:07 (6,223 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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I don't know how I could miss that vid! What a noisy upstart of a machine I LOVE IT! The Isle of Wight machine had one keymatic slot and one storage slot and a glass door but it was not near as upmarket as your machine, it had no indicator lights on the front, I only remember it had a gas gauge indicator to tell you where it was in the Cycle. Nice addition to your collection! Can't wait to come back and play with that and run the Bendix! |
Post# 197574 , Reply# 24   3/15/2007 at 05:31 (6,223 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Here's a picture of the keyplates that came with my Keymatic. I think the right one with the Dutch text is supposed to be used when the machine is connected to cold water only. The right one with the English text is for hot and cold. Notice the different notches. The link goes to my Keymatic photo album including the pages of the manual that came with it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK |
Post# 197594 , Reply# 25   3/15/2007 at 07:34 (6,223 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 197599 , Reply# 26   3/15/2007 at 08:45 (6,223 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Post# 197638 , Reply# 29   3/15/2007 at 14:26 (6,222 days old) by timon90 (Norway)   |   | |
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Post# 197639 , Reply# 30   3/15/2007 at 14:44 (6,222 days old) by timon90 (Norway)   |   | |
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Mike, if your machine has 800 as max spin, it is'nt possible to get your machine to spin at 1100 with a another Keyplate. Even if it is operated by Keyplates, I think it is a timer who chooses,and steers the programs. And the motor cant go faster than the motorboard is made to get the motor to go. If you understand what I mean..... Could you please send the info you have about Keymatics to my Email?
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Post# 197649 , Reply# 31   3/15/2007 at 16:32 (6,222 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)   |   | |
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Here's some pics of an OZ made keymatic 3224 I picked up on ebay. It needs some work as it not working at the moment. Was shocked to find that the Keymatic was made down here by Hoover Australia as later model front loaders where imported from the UK. Mark |
Post# 197650 , Reply# 32   3/15/2007 at 16:33 (6,222 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)   |   | |
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Post# 197651 , Reply# 33   3/15/2007 at 16:35 (6,222 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)   |   | |
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Post# 197652 , Reply# 34   3/15/2007 at 16:40 (6,222 days old) by timon90 (Norway)   |   | |
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Post# 197653 , Reply# 35   3/15/2007 at 17:02 (6,222 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)   |   | |
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Tom, Not sure yet !! but as soon as I plug her in she blows all the fuse's in the house. Mark |
Post# 197654 , Reply# 36   3/15/2007 at 17:26 (6,222 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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Post# 197685 , Reply# 37   3/15/2007 at 20:39 (6,222 days old) by ozhoover (Melbourne, Australia, but now living in London)   |   | |
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Have post a pic of the Minor over in Vacuumland along with some other new finds. Mark :-) CLICK HERE TO GO TO ozhoover's LINK |
Post# 197920 , Reply# 39   3/16/2007 at 21:46 (6,221 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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that would be about right, I was there in 1976 and this was a second home. And I remember it was square like the 3223H and you are right now that I remember the other key was stored on a shelf nearby not in the machine. But there were two keys because I had to do a load and had to be shown which one to use and how to use it. If I recall correctly you shoved the key in until it hit a switch which started the machine. But it was 31 years ago. Jon |
Post# 197963 , Reply# 40   3/17/2007 at 03:48 (6,221 days old) by robm (Buxted)   |   | |
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Hi everyone and thanks to Mike for this great thread. A school friends mother had either the A3050 or A3062. Unfortunately I never saw it work. It had a very similar door to Mike's A3008 but the door was in brushed chrome. The keys seemed quite large and she had quite a few of them, is my memory correct or am I getting too old?? LOL Rob |
Post# 197983 , Reply# 43   3/17/2007 at 08:20 (6,221 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 197987 , Reply# 44   3/17/2007 at 08:26 (6,221 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 198019 , Reply# 47   3/17/2007 at 12:42 (6,221 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Greg, those programmers although clever where more "Prone To Breakdowns" according to a lot of Which Consumer Reports, and Yes I suppose the Keyplates could find their way into the Kiddy toy box, not to mention other things pushed in the slots!!! Mark, Glad you got the Aus one, I know the outer cabinets where Turquoise there because my Aunt had one in a rental...have yours been painted etc?? Mark & Jon, I would concur that the Isle of Wight machine would be a 3223H. Hi Frederik, I need to get my 3224 working, the suspension cable has snapped and a few hoses need replacing , whilst the cabinet is off I will give it a re-spray, (original colours of cours), I`ll video it for its a journey that we all need to share, should be a fascinating one!! Chris, wow all those cam position etc...The slope fromt keymatics only had 3 rinses, all other models had 4, 3 + special treatments.... The slope front keymatics 3224/3226 had 36 cam positions The wide bodied models, 3223H etc had 60, dont know what was happeneing there.... The later models onwards, 3243H from 1971 + dropped down to 45, the scans are below, have also included the first 3 keyplate charts... |
Post# 198020 , Reply# 48   3/17/2007 at 12:44 (6,221 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 198021 , Reply# 49   3/17/2007 at 12:46 (6,221 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 198022 , Reply# 50   3/17/2007 at 12:47 (6,221 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Post# 198026 , Reply# 51   3/17/2007 at 13:33 (6,220 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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said he didn't see me for two days after he gave me the manual. Look at all those contacts man what a complex timer system. Notice how the 1964 3224/3226 machine and the later A3114 both have only 16 contacts for the keyplate! That is the entire coding of the keyplate, all communication with functions occurs through the 16 contact areas on the keyplate. What we need is the master diagram for cutting the keyplate, then you could cut your own keyplates for custom cycles. The keyplate for the whites cycle on the 3224 only uses 7 of the contacts for one cycle. So I would surmise on the whites cycle,on the keyplate, there would only appear 7 indentations looking across the keyplate along the direction of travel. That might correspond to our block timers which have 6 stacked plates that rotate for the white cycle and have a pull switch (the 7th contact) as an on/off contact for the machine. So there must be a standard cycle timer inside this machine that goes around once for a complete cycle and the keyplates tell the standard cycle which options will be engaged ( keyplate depression) and which will be skipped ( no keyplate depression ). But the cycle timer always engages all options at all times, but it must be located ahead of the keyplate 16 contacts because it defers the standard cycle to the keying on the plate. The pre-rinse cycle uses all 16 slots on the keyplate to complete its program. For those of you want to follow along I am looking the the Type A keyplate legend. Phew time for a lunch break! |
Post# 198030 , Reply# 52   3/17/2007 at 14:16 (6,220 days old) by timon90 (Norway)   |   | |
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