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Post# 203378   4/12/2007 at 12:50 (6,220 days old) by dysoncr01 ()        

hi
it sounds like a whirrirng noise but washes better than any machine in the world.




Post# 203401 , Reply# 1   4/12/2007 at 14:12 (6,220 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        

That's very true.
I am the proud owner of two Dysons a 6 year old CR01 Memory and a CR02 Allergy, nothing even comes close.

Post# 203422 , Reply# 2   4/12/2007 at 15:53 (6,220 days old) by fredriksam (Sweden)        

Hey 2DrumsAllergy, could you please film your Dysons and loading it on Youtube?

It would be nice seeing a wash video, rinse and a spin video. Thanks

Post# 203458 , Reply# 3   4/12/2007 at 17:48 (6,220 days old) by bellalaundry (St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada)        
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if they will ever come over to North America. I see them on the internet and they look very interesting.

Guy

Post# 203732 , Reply# 4   4/13/2007 at 18:31 (6,219 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

They were a sales failure, and weren't very well received by reviewers either. Dyson have stopped production of them and there's no plans to bring them back - though I guess all the patents etc are up for sale should anyone want them.

Post# 203869 , Reply# 5   4/14/2007 at 09:57 (6,218 days old) by stratus ()        
death of the dyson

 i think they were good machines, like fredriksam i would love to see one hapening - there is only a few second long vid on you tube at the moment. i've always wanted one, the only thing is the noise - no one likes a loud washer! in fact everyone is doing everything to makes quiet machines, so i think that and the 'out there' dyson design let them down a bit

wonder if twin drum machines are really the future?

Post# 204234 , Reply# 6   4/15/2007 at 18:50 (6,217 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

They weren't particularly environmentally friendly: they used around 96 litres of water for the cotton cycle, whereas other manufacturers had managed to reduce their water consumption.

I've been told of problems with the powder drawer leaking; of the internal pipes clogging; and gearbox failure.

Someone once even posted a review on the internet, stating that their particular machine had the wrong drum installed at manufacture!

Post# 204250 , Reply# 7   4/15/2007 at 19:46 (6,217 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        

Hi Rolls_Rapide,
The Dyson CR01 and CR02 are both rated AAA for energy, wash and spin performance, so I don't think they can be classed as environmentally unfriendly, yes they do use 96 litres of water on a cottons cycle but they rinse properly, and don't forget the Dyson has a 7Kg dry weight cottons capacity, 96 litres for a 7Kg load does not seem so excessive.

As for the wrong drum fitted and I don't doubt that you read it but what total rubbish; there is only one design of drum for all Dyson washers both CR01 and CR02, therefore it would be impossible for the wrong drum to be fitted.

The gearbox in the Dyson is superbly engineered, in fact it is more like a car gearbox than a domestic appliance, every aspect of the gearbox, drum and bearing assembly is if anything over engineered. I own both a CR01 Memory and a CR02 Allergy, both machines have been totally reliable for me in fact the CR01 is 6 years old and has completed more than 5500 cycles without a single breakdown, it still runs perfectly. When I have some free time I will disassemble the gearbox of the CR01 and post some pictures.

There have been comments about Dyson washers being noisy, well they emit 50Db at one meter during contra rotation, but their noise is totally unique with the whirring noise of the gears during contra rotation. The 8 point tub suspension makes the Dyson very stable and quiet on top spin even on wooden floors.

I think it is a total shame that this great washer design is no longer in production, but I admire Dyson for having the courage to challenge and improve on conventional design. Production ceased in 2004 and they are still being talked about three years later.

David

Post# 204340 , Reply# 8   4/15/2007 at 23:58 (6,217 days old) by shanonabc ()        

The Dyson Washing machines will not be released in Australia because they will have to train a few hundred people to service them and they would have to sell a large amount of machines to make the spare parts cheaper says one of my anonymous contacts at Dyson Australia

Post# 204370 , Reply# 9   4/16/2007 at 08:04 (6,216 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

I personally think they were good machines, but I don't really think that they offered any difference over a normal machine like their bagless cleaners do over bagged cleaners. You can't beat our DC14 for cleaning (though the DC03 we had before was an awful cleaner), and the Dyson vacuum cleaners we've had have beaten the Electrolux and Vax cleaners we've had before, but I've always had clean laundry from using a standard tumbling washer for years. Another thing people used to say when I worked in an appliance shop was that they looked awful, and I see their point bearing in mind you can't put the washer back in the cupboard when it's not in use like you can with the cleaners - and most people spending more than £400 on a washer went for the Miele's anyway.

I also think a lot of it was marketing hype, something which Dyson are great at - from what I've seen, read and been told, they only activate the contrarotation for part of the wash cycle, for the rest of the cycle and the rinses they tumble just like any other machine. Plus for on average of £800, I would expect at least a time countdown and the ability to do a 95*C wash, as well as a more sturdy outer door. Otherwise you can't really fault them.

They are a piece of washer history though, and if I ever had the room I would probably snap one up if one ever did become available to me... as David said it's not often that somebody dares to be different and Dyson should be admired for trying - it just looks like the washer market is tougher to crack than that for the cleaners! Unfortunately nowadays most major brands have also cracked the capacity issue, which could make it harder for Dyson to come back.

I have read somewhere a while ago that there's supposed to be a cheaper, more conservative version in development... anybody have any ideas?

Jon

Post# 204521 , Reply# 10   4/16/2007 at 17:23 (6,216 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        

Hi Jon,
The Dyson's 78 litre drum is still the largest in a standard cabinet size. Although some of the latest washers claim 8Kg cottons capacity the largest of their drums is only 65 litres. Where the Dyson stands apart is its ability to wash a King size Duvet/Comforter up to 15.0 Tog weight with ease. My sister owns an 8Kg Electrolux Insight which has a 63 litre drum, it is simply to small to accept a King size Duvet any heavier than 4.0 Tog weight yet it can take an 8Kg load of cottons, although I must say the drum is stuffed full with an 8Kg cottons load.

I have heard rumors of a new Dyson washer let them be true or false and it is certainly possible but only Dyson knows for sure. It would be fairly easy to increase the capacity of any new Dyson washer if the contrarotation was dropped and a single drum was introduced; the new drum could easily be 100 litres plus, still use the existing tub design and fit into a standard cabinet. I base this assumption on the fact the existing two drum design has a 10mm clearance between the two drums, this when included with the extra space released by the absence of the inner drum spider could easily accommodate a significant increase in capacity. However going to a single drum design would result in much longer cycle times, the whole point of the contrarotation is to wash a full 7Kg cottons load to an A grade at 40ºC or 60ºC in 60 minutes or less.

On the subject of contrarotation, I have to say it is not marketing hype it really works. The Dyson delivers outstanding wash performance with a full load and much shorter cycle times than any modern machine. Yes some of the latest washers can deliver an A grade wash in an hour but they can only do this with a 50% load size, they still require a couple of hours to wash a full load to an A standard. During the development of the Contrarotator Dyson engineers also found that 85ºC provides optimum cleaning effect and heating beyond this point only serves to waste energy, and I have to agree. I also own a Hotpoint Ultima WF860P which heats to a full 95ºC on the white cottons wash and takes 3 hours to complete the cycle, yet it does not wash any better than the Dyson does at 85ºC with a total 70 minute cycle time. You say the contrarotation is only in operation for a very short time, on a normal soil (Dirt & Stains) cottons 40ºC cycle there is a total of 26 minutes of contrarotation this is reduced to 16 minutes if the light soil (Dirt) is selected and extended to 40 minutes if (Heavy Stains) is selected. There is no contrarotation during the rinses but it is not required at this point as the stains have already been removed. There is one final contrarotation at the end of the spin cycle to fluff the load and reduce creasing.

All in all the Dyson is a very interesting washer to watch and it does not waste any time between cycle phases and thats always a plus.

David

Post# 204667 , Reply# 11   4/17/2007 at 01:50 (6,216 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
AAA Rated

 This will only apply if the machine is used to full capacity. It will not be the case if a small load is washed, for example a few white shirts that can't be put in beside a load of darks. The Dyson uses over 13 litres of water per kg of laundry, whereas most competitors have values of half that. This makes the Dyson inefficient in my book.

Dyson should have been able to drastically reduce the water consumption, but chose not to: not good news for water meter consumers. Other manufacturers have managed to give good rinse efficiency with a reduced water consumption and sensible spin profiling: Miele seems to manage it fine.

Post# 204668 , Reply# 12   4/17/2007 at 01:55 (6,216 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()        

I think you can beat the DC14 for cleaning with the DC 15 the ball, Easy to move around with the tilting etc.

Post# 204675 , Reply# 13   4/17/2007 at 04:31 (6,215 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
EU Energy Label

 Hi Rolls_rapide,
As I said before the Dyson's EU energy label is AAA. This figure is calculated on the total amount of energy consumed by a standard 60ºC cottons cycle, if as you say "This makes the Dyson inefficient in my book" how did it achieve this triple A rating? Thankfully appliances are graded by the EU and not by your book.

Personally I prefer my clothes properly rinsed and both my Dyson's provide excellent deep rinses by default, in fact the Dyson CR02 Allergy was the first washing machine to be awarded the British Allergy Foundation seal of approval. I am sure the majority of the users on this site would agree when it comes to rinsing there is no substitute for a decent amount of water. You talk about profile spins aiding rinsing and I totally agree, but a decent amount of water is still required. Rinsing is all about dilution the more water the greater dilution.

As an appliance engineer and I regularly work on all makes and models of washing machines. I am called out to machines regularly because of poor rinsing including so called top end machines, unfortunately there is not a lot I can do as the machines are designed to use so little water. Some models have an extra rinse option which I can advise using, high end machines can usually be altered via the Software to provide deep rinsing by default, lower end machines are a problem as they have neither of these options so I usually adjust the water level pressure switch to increase the water level slightly. Complaints of poor rinsing are increasing among my customers and I have no doubt that the situation will only get worse as less and less water is used.

I almost forgot, my house is on a water meter and I can honestly say the Dyson's water consumption is not a problem.

David

Post# 204779 , Reply# 14   4/17/2007 at 16:15 (6,215 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

David - interesting to hear the Dyson's do contrarotate for a long period... for some reason I was under the assumption that they only contrarotated for a few minutes.

I agree with you that the Dyson still truly holds more laundry than one of the newer Bosch or Electrolux 8 kilo washers, unfortunately Mrs Joe Housewife wouldn't really know the difference when it comes to that as, as you probably know, manufacturers like to exaggerate rated load capacities nowadays and when Mrs X is buying a new 8kg washer she takes that as gospel. Saying that, I'm able to wash all the duvets in our house in mum's 6 kilo Miele (I think the drum is 54 litres), especially with the Pillows cycle which uses a higher water level and a specially adapted wash rhythm as well as a pre-spin, and the only duvet I can't fit in is the one that won't fit in a washer smaller than the 35lb Ipsos at the local launderette :-). Unfortunately due to the way I sort laundry I struggle to build up 6 kilo loads in a fortnight (only weekly loads that are done are jeans, which I change once or twice a day, ending up in a load of 8 or 9 pairs of jeans every week) I doubt I'd ever be able to fill a Dyson, or one of those new 8 kilo machines.

I agree with you entirely about the rinsing on newer machines. Worst offender we had was the Bosch - even 4 rinses would leave clothes smelling of detergent and left clothes strewn with lint, yet even the 2 standard rinses in our current Miele rinses perfectly, even more so if you select water plus and extra rinse - no Allergy approval but the fact that I can use Ariel or Persil biological on the laundry now without skin complaints from people in the family speaks for itself. Also manages to wet the load down thoroughly within the first minute or two of the cycle... I'm sure the Dyson is similar with the amount of water it uses. the amount of water your Dyson uses isn't really that inefficient anyway, bearing in mind 10 years ago machines would easily use 70-90 litres of water to wash only 5 kilos of laundry.

I still have to say though that I've always had great wash results on a short cycle on a standard washer, except one we used to have but that's a different story. I think our Miele averages 1.05-1.38 on cottons, depending on the rinsing needed based on the absorbency of the load, and about 1 hour for minimum, but then I have always used a good washing powder - that and clothes in this house are rarely more than normally soiled.

As I've learnt more about these Dyson washers (and had a good experience from the Dyson company itself in the form of the DC14), it saddens me that this great washer design was discontinued and I really wish I wasn't so stubborn in my own ways back then and bought one while I could!

Would love to see some pictures of your Dyson when you have the chance!

Take care,

Jon

Post# 204912 , Reply# 15   4/18/2007 at 00:48 (6,215 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I tried n tried to get one of these when i worked at comet! I always liked the design, deeply different, bit like myself!

I always look for a machine that uses more water, not less. Proper rinsing is so rare nowadays, last years ranges saw an increase, and im hoping this year is no different!

Darren

Post# 205065 , Reply# 16   4/18/2007 at 19:17 (6,214 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Rinsing with less water. is perfectly possible...

 I came across a patent listed on the internet (possibly by Dyson, but cannot be sure), whereby the clothes are subjected to the following process:

Soapy water is spun out of the laundry;

then drum speed is reduced to a slow speed so that laundry is still plastered to drum walls by centrifugal force;

then a fresh water spray-jet, built into the door seal, introduces 1 litre of water directly into the rotating laundry;

then rotational speed increases to 1200-1400rpm for a minute or two;

then reduce speed back to slow speed, and repeat water spray.

The blurb says that repeating this process a dozen times will reduce water consumption, whilst giving good rinsing results. It goes on to say that the final rinse will be the conventional higher water level with conditioner, etc.

Post# 205158 , Reply# 17   4/19/2007 at 08:27 (6,213 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
I dont bull**** I say it how it is

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I agree totally with Jon and RollsRapide.

If you need to wash that big duvet it is far better to do it at the launderette and have a Miele Premier 520 and save the £300 of the Dyson which apperas to be the UKs most unrelaiable machine to date.

Electrolux machines rinse to a superior standard using 49l in total for the whole cycle on 6kg capacity form what Ive experienced.


I would say having 2 motors to turn 7kg of washing is a massive waste of resources just to be different.
and dont get me started on how cheap and plasticky they look.

Electrolux vacuums all the way too... current "Velocity" line up is better than Dyson in that it picks up more and is at least half the price than a basic DC07.


A good friends Dyson packed up for good 14 months ago after a long string of problems from day 1 and she is now happily rid of it and back to a basic Zanussi.

Nick

Post# 205390 , Reply# 18   4/20/2007 at 22:11 (6,212 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Another thing about the Dyson washer...

 ... was the fact that the drum paddles had no perforations, and thus no attempt was made to shower water onto the clothes, when all the other manufacturers were bending over backwards to reduce water consumption (remember the 'shower' analogy, as opposed to 'having a bath'?).

To me, it looked like (and still does) that Dyson couldn't design reduced water consumption into their machine, so therefore they had to increase the machine's load capacity to compensate.

And what was wrong with using a pumped spray, ala Zanussi "Jetsystem"? Couldn't Dyson design a higher pressure pump to blast the dirt out of clothes? In conjunction with 'contrarotation' they might have been on to a winner.

Post# 205416 , Reply# 19   4/21/2007 at 03:42 (6,211 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Rolls,
I always did find it strange they didnt have perfortations in the paddles.

I'm hugely picky about rinsing so to see that the dyson used so much water did nothing but make me smile. You have to note that they're aren't many low water consumption machines that rinse very well. I think manufacturers should've stopped reducing when they got to 65, 60litres. When you get to 45litres your doing nothing but compromise your wash unless it has stupidly good interm spins.

A jetsystem and contrarotating! Man that would've been really good!!


I too am still awaiting to hear if this cheaper redesigned model will surface. Knowing james dyson a man not to be defeated it probably will!

Darren

Post# 205440 , Reply# 20   4/21/2007 at 08:49 (6,211 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Rinsing...

 Phosphate based detergents rinse out far better than the zeolite based ones. This is why old high-sudsing Daz still has this formulation, because the clothes don't get properly agitated in the spinner drum of a twintub. If you were to use zeolite based detergents in a twintub, you would be likely to notice whitish residues in the clothes.

In a frontloader, the clothes are flopped and droppped and allow residues to be flushed out of the clothes quite readily.

Post# 205442 , Reply# 21   4/21/2007 at 09:52 (6,211 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Tumble Dryer

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I heard that, if Dyson had released a matching dryer, it would have had a cyclone lint filter - similar to their vacuums.

Post# 205458 , Reply# 22   4/21/2007 at 11:58 (6,211 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        
Rinsing....

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If you read which or most online reviews that cover rinsing, the most you will find them to say most modern machines rinse to an "Acceptable" standard. Not good, not great, not excellent.

I dont think 7 or 8kg of laundry tumbling in 14 litres or less of water per rinse is going to give excellent results. In reference to the "drop and flow" technique, this is far more effective when the clothes are sodden wet & fall into a deep amount of water. I dont believe this would be the case with a machine that uses 42litres.

Like its been covered the interm spins help alot with rinsing. but a decent amount of water is necessary. You can get away with 2 deep rinses and fast interm spins to produce a satisfactory rinse.

I've yet to hear someone say a modern machine rinses heaps better than anything from 1980.

Darren.

Post# 205489 , Reply# 23   4/21/2007 at 18:09 (6,211 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Rinsing...

 If the machine used a pumped system, the clothes would get a decent soaking.

Part of the problem will be the customer not reading the instructions properly, and overdosing on detergent.

I know of someone who put a liquitab into the powder drawer, then moaned about the residue not dissolving!

Post# 207926 , Reply# 24   5/2/2007 at 16:12 (6,200 days old) by destroyer ()        
Rinsing

 On the subject of rinsing, I have to say that, imho, all this jetsystem technology is more of a marketing gimmick than any aspect of the dyson washing machine.

I fail to see how a small jet of water can enable faster water penetration than the fact the clothes are about to drop into a tub of water at the bottom? It makes no sense, once the clothes are fully soaked, all the jetsystem is doing is recycling the water.

I too have an electrolux insight and a hotpoint ultima (currently looking for a dyson). The electrolux boasts 8KG however there is no way I would put 8KG in it.

There is nothing wrong with the washing, however the rinsing completly lets the machine down, the water levels are not high enough to extract detergent, and even by the 5th rinse (with spins inbetween), there is still often detergent left. How can this be economical !?

My hotpoint ultima (5KG) outside does 3 rinses, however the water level is great, the detergent is always fully rinsed regardless of how much it has been over dosed. As I see it the electricity used to turn the drum, and spin inbetween, for 5 rinses in the electrolux is what I would call uneconomical when it is being let down by the poor water level and could do it in 3 rinses if the water levels increased.

I am still looking for a contrarotor to come up where I live, will be looking forward to owning one :)

Post# 208041 , Reply# 25   5/3/2007 at 12:11 (6,199 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )        
Rinsing...

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I used to be rather skeptical about the while Jetsystem Technology, until we got our Zanussi ( ZWF1431S ). I find the Jetsystem to be far more effective when washing full loads as you have water in the bottom of the drum, and a Jet of water being powered into the load. Seems to do a much better job at soaking the load down compared to any washer I've owned.:) I'm rather suprised to hear that the Electrolux Insight isnt very good at rinsing, I thought it'd have decent water level rinses like mine. With most detergents I find 2-3 Rinses to be plenty as the second rinse usually looks like it does in the pic below, I Tend to use Super Rinse if I use a detergent thats rather sudsy :)

Just thought I'd have my input lol

Richard

Post# 208081 , Reply# 26   5/3/2007 at 15:20 (6,199 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Soaking the load...

 My point, precisely; thank you for your observations. I find that my Zanussi too, rinses perfectly well.

I've come to the conclusion that poor rinsing must go hand-in-hand with overdosing of detergent.

Post# 208315 , Reply# 27   5/5/2007 at 06:58 (6,197 days old) by destroyer ()        
Rinsing

 Rolls_rapide, I do not agree. Without sufficient water then the detergent cannot be absorbed, it is that simple.

The electrolux insight is not very good at rinsing. (unless my machine is faulty, of course)

The water level is good for 2-4KG load, however as soon as you get a load larger than that, they start to soak up most of the water and you hardly have any water level at all.

Put it this way, you can see absolutely no water in the drum with a large load 4KG+ (which is shocking considering they claim it can take an 8KG load).

All very well about modern detergents, but I would rather there be no suds left at the end of my rinse cycles, thankyou.

As I said, my hotpoint ultima WMA64 rinses fine, even if it has been over dosed all I need to select is add rinse (4 rinses in total), and all the detergent will be gone, even with a full towel load.

I still do not see how the jetsystem can soak the clothes much better than normal because they are sitting in water at the bottom of the drum anyway, when the jetsystem stopped working on my insight I was washing for 2 weeks without it and there was no difference.

Samsungfl, the water level on your machine looks good, mine doesent even come up the glass when empty.......

Post# 208339 , Reply# 28   5/5/2007 at 10:24 (6,197 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Dyson in action???

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Does anyone have any photos or better yet video of a Dyson machine in operation???

THANKS!!!!

Post# 208508 , Reply# 29   5/6/2007 at 07:22 (6,196 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Destroyer

 What programme and options are you using on your machine?

Which detergent are you using, and what quantity?

Are you in a hard or soft water area?

Do you use a whole-house water softener?

Is your laundry lightly or heavily soiled?

Do you leave a 'hands width' of space at the top of the laundry, or do you pack it tightly?

Do you use fabric softener? Fabric softener residue in the clothes (and machine) from previous washes will help to suppress suds.

Do you use the "Quick / Time Save" option? Using this will cause the machine to skip important spin/rinse phases, with poorer rinse results.

I have the Zanussi IZ16S: 5kg machine with tilted drum and tub. The cycles I use tend to be Cottons @ 40, 50, 60, and occasionally 30 degrees C. No additional rinses selected; Time Save not selected.

Because of the tilted tub design on my machine, water is rarely visible. The lifter paddles also act as water scoops, in addition to the jetsystem; though the paddles aren't as efficient as they would be in a horizontal tub design.

When a typical COTTONS programme starts, it does the following:

Fills sump for 5 seconds and slow tumbles.

After about a minute, fills to a low level at the same time as activating jetsystem pump. Subsequent water absorption by towels, etc., allows additional topping up.

After 5mins, jetsystem cuts out, drum speed becomes quicker, and thrashes the laundry if the drum wall. Heater engages at this point. Pattern of randomised drum rotation follows: normal speed, with random speed surges (like removing your foot from the accelerator momentarily, when driving the car).

When temperature has been attained, jetsystem cuts in again; if temp drops, heater switches on, and jetsystem stops.

When washing is complete, it drains and does a low spin; the speed depending upon the amount of foam generated.

Three rinses follow, using jetsystem as the tub fills to a low level.

Rinse 1 & 2 incorporate distribution-type rotations, whereby laundry is flung to the drum wall. Interspersed with normal tumbling. These rinses also switch in a spin-burst phase of low speed spins. Tub drains. Intermediate spins follow, of a medium speed.

Rinse 3 is normal tumbing with conditioner.

Spin profile does a very short low speed spin for a matter of seconds, followed by tumbling back and forth. Distribution having been achieved, ramps up the speed in stages until it is sitting at about 900rpm. Speed increases again, until it is at about 1200rpm for several minutes. Speed increases further, to 1600rpm for the last couple of minutes. Finally, fluff tumbles for a minute.

No foam detected during final spin.

Post# 208518 , Reply# 30   5/6/2007 at 08:26 (6,196 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Rolls_rapide,
Your zanussi's wash pattern is identical to my AEG's on the normal 2hr cycle! I do love the distribution and spin rinses, though they could do with being slightly deeper. Tell me, when you press quickwash/timesaver, does the machine do a short wash with 2 fairly deep rinses?

Darren

Post# 208583 , Reply# 31   5/6/2007 at 16:32 (6,196 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )        
Wow!

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Very intresting to hear that Zanussi also incorparated the Spin - Rinse Technology into their machines :):) My 06' Zanussi dosnt do the spin rinsing or distribute filling rinses, though if I use Extra Quick it does a short wash, and two deep rinses like Darren mentioned :)

Just to compare : I tend to use the Extra Quick cottons cycles at 30,40,50,60 and 95*c :) When using a Cottons Wash (short cycle) it does the following:

Runs the pump for about 20 seconds

Begins to fill through the pre wash compartment for about 10seconds, then flushes down the Main Wash Compartment

Water begins to spread across the door rubber, then the Jetsystem is Activated

Starts to tumble at Cottons Wash speed and adds extra water if needed, then begins to heat

Once heated to the desired temp the pauses in between the tumbles shorten to about 1-2 seconds in between, rather than 5 or 6 as it does whilst heating

about 15 mins later, the cooldown portion starts.

Then, the wash water is drained and the machine does a few tumbles back and forth, then distributes.

1st spin is a burst up to 500, then it distributes again and starts of at 500rpm and speeds up to 900

Rinse one begins and fills to high level.

Rinse spin begins and reaches 1000rpm

Final rinse begins ( High Level )

Final spin profile : 500 rpm burst, redistributes and ramps up to 500 and increases quite quickly due to it being a short cycle. Stays at 1400 for about 2-3mins and slows, then instantly unlocks without an AntiCrease again due to Extra Quick Being selected lol

Just thought i'd compare the two, see how Zanussi's have changed over the past few years LOL


Richard

Post# 208586 , Reply# 32   5/6/2007 at 16:36 (6,196 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Hi Darren...

 The quick/Time Save cuts the 2hr 6mins 40degree C wash, down to 1hr 3mins. This seems to give a half-hour wash, followed by two rinses; in-rinse spin-bursts appear to be omitted from the programme.

To tell you the truth, I've never noticed if the two rinses are deeper than normal. I'll try it shortly, as I've another small load to do.

When I bought the machine in the Spring of 2001, the brochures stated that it used 49 litres of water. I was pleasantly surprised to find that my machine was a later variant, that used 42 litres.

I think that it does a very good job, and I like the way the graphics, labels, etc, are under a plastic cover, preventing them from being rubbed off.

Post# 208588 , Reply# 33   5/6/2007 at 17:05 (6,196 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Richard...

 Not at all - feel free to comment.

I'm quite interested in the wash/rinse/spin profiles of different makes of machine. (The Hoover New Wave was quite a revelation, compared to the fixed cycles of the previous Hoover Ecologics, and Hoover Electronic Deluxes, etc).

I think that if certain manufacturers took greater care in designing their machines' spin profiling, it would prevent them leaping about the floor. And the same goes for rinsing performance and wash performance.

Post# 208594 , Reply# 34   5/6/2007 at 17:33 (6,196 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Darren & Richard

 The 40degree Cottons Quick cycle has just gone into the first rinse. Water level is no higher than normal length programme.

Second rinse coming up...

Second rinse is again, no higher than normal.

(Delicates and Woollens cycles fill substantially higher).

Post# 208687 , Reply# 35   5/7/2007 at 03:13 (6,196 days old) by kirri ()        

My ex next door neighbour had the cro1 and was very happy with it.It came with a 2 year guarantee and about a month after broke! She, of course hadn't extended the guarantee and when the Dyson engineer came, he found the machine was beyond repair.
I don't know if it was that she was heavily pregnant that he took pity on her, but he phoned the office up and within 3 days she had a brand new machine F.O.C.!! How's that for customer service!!!

Post# 208692 , Reply# 36   5/7/2007 at 05:06 (6,195 days old) by destroyer ()        

Hi rolls rapide

I always use the normal cottons cycle on my machine, normally with extra rinse selected, occasionally I do use quick, but the water level is the same if quick is selected. I do live in a soft water area, however I alter the detergent as required. I only do very small washes, because I never have enough laundry to fill the drum.

The three rinses use low agitation on my insight, it tumbles the clothes with long intervals, no distribution-type speeds.

The last rinse fills up a small amount, tumbles once or twice, then fills up to what it should be.

The water level is still very low... as I said not even up the door with nothing in so as soon as towels go in then there is hardly any water in the drum..

Speaking of the foam sensor my machine apparantly has, I have never seen any evidence to suggest it works, perhaps my machine may be faulty.?

If you could tell me how the foam sensor influences the wash, I may be able to test it

Post# 208693 , Reply# 37   5/7/2007 at 06:24 (6,195 days old) by jwilson00 ()        
foam sensor

 i dont know bout the insight, but when i had my bosch which had a foam sensor, it only kicked in on the first spin after the wash cycle and only if it got a suds lock.
If this happened the machine would stop the spin, add a rinse except there wouldn't be any intern spins inbetween the rinses and after all that you would probably need to run another rinse cycle cause there would still be a load of detergent left.
unfortunatley the only time there was really a lot of foam was after the first rinse cycle, it would kick in the foam sensor but the machine would not add a extra rinse but instead cut out the rest of the spin cycles, oh and you'd also get a reduced final spin. I found it to be a total waste of time. i dont know however how the logixx performed with the lazor sensors that were supposed to check how cloudy the water is during rinses.

Post# 208718 , Reply# 38   5/7/2007 at 08:24 (6,195 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London )        
Electrolux and Foam Sensors....

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I've noticed on my Zanussi that if it overfoams, it seems to alter the Jetsystem and keep it on for longer to try and supress the suds, maybe that's there type of foam sensor i'm not too sure LOL! Also if there is a Sudslock during the spin after wash it'll spin for a bit, slowdown and attempt to drain some of the suds out then go again.

Hope this helps :)

Richard

Post# 209047 , Reply# 39   5/8/2007 at 20:28 (6,194 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        
Foam Suppression

 The abundance of foam clogs the pressure vessel, preventing the pressure switch from resetting, thus resulting in a spin that may be reduced in speed; or an interrupted spin, interspersed with tumbling whilst attempting to pump out the excess suds. If no headway can be gained, the machine goes into the next rinse.

Rinse sensors are different from foam sensing. A rinse sensor uses an led light source to shine through the water, measuring the amount of light reflected and refracted (ie; not landing on the normal receiving diode). The machine can add rinses until the rinse water is clear; so a small load might be able to get away with two rinses, but heavily soiled dungarees may require all three rinses, plus extra ones.


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