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Thread Number: 11375
new kenmore elite drawer dishwasher not cutting it.... |
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Post# 204252 , Reply# 2 4/15/2007 at 19:49 (6,219 days old) by frigilux  (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 204297 , Reply# 3 4/15/2007 at 21:46 (6,219 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii) | ||
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Post# 204372 , Reply# 5 4/16/2007 at 08:11 (6,219 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago) |
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KitchenAid Superba / Also European v American DW
I purchased a new KitchenAid Superba in 2005. Very pleased with it - everything comes out clean. Quiet too. It is hard to get the dishes to stand erect though. Regardless, everything comes out clean. SLIGHT CHANGE OF DIRECTION HERE: Comments please: I recently learned that there is a difference between EUROPEAN dishwashers and AMERICAN dishwashers. EUROPEAN dishwashers have no heated dry cycle and depend on the rinse-aid and fans to dry dishes. AMERICAN dishwashers have a HEATED dry cycle. THEREFORE, if you go out to buy a new dishwasher, you can expect a European dishwasher (ex; BOSCH) to just BLOW DRY your dishes with the retained warm air in the cavity. Conversely, the AMERICAN dishwasher(ex: KitchenAid) will turn on the Calrod to heat the air during the dry cycle. Now...most people in America would never think that a dishwasher wouldn't heat the air in the dry cycle and therefore may be disappointed with the European dishwasher that they bought. SO If you like nice, hot, clean dishes buy an AMERICAN-STYLE dishwasher. COMMENTS FROM THE EXPERTS? You're "in the know" ya know.... | ||
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Post# 204375 , Reply# 6 4/16/2007 at 08:47 (6,219 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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heated dry
Actually, I stopped using the heated dry in US dishwashers back in the late '70's when the first "sanitary" rinses were introduced. If the final rinse is hot enough, the residual heat will permit the dishes to dry completely without additional heating. A well designed blower, as my Miele uses or my folks 1976 Sears Lady Kenmore had does the job just fine. I do find that a rinse agent plays a big role in the US; here we have water softeners built in to the machines so a rinse aid is optional (most places in Europe, when you drop a glass of water it is even odds what breaks first, the glass or the hard water). The current trend in American dishwashers towards dual wattage heating elements is probably the best of both worlds. A very low heat to make the drying cycle faster (and bring back the plate warmer cycle) and a (for the weak current available) high wattage for heating the water in the wash cycle and last rinse. In all honesty, if US dishwashers were just built to last longer than two weeks, I'd buy one. There have been some really neat ideas incorporated into them in the last few years. But my Miele is now 8 years old, never broken...and still has seven years to go until the first "expected" breakdown. | ||
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Post# 204405 , Reply# 8 4/16/2007 at 11:19 (6,219 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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| Post# 204430 , Reply# 10 4/16/2007 at 12:47 (6,219 days old) by exploder3211 () | ||
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I'd recomend anything from GE. My BOL hotpoint works very well. I have read many good things about the GE tritons and Nautlis units as well. | ||
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Post# 204452 , Reply# 12 4/16/2007 at 14:18 (6,218 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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its not just the volume of water used
Part of the problem with American dishwashers is the dishwashing detergent. The situation is the exact opposite to the clothes washing detergents used in the US. Here in Europe, where our washers can take their time and use truly hot water to clean, our detergents are relatively weak. In the US, where everything depends on 12 minutes of vigorous agitation in luke-warm water (at best), the detergents are really quite good. But the American dishwashers are trying to do their work now with the volumes of water we use - at lower temperatures (much lower) and with detergents which were castrated in the name of the environment many years ago. When I have taken my German dishwasher tabs over to the US, my folk's old Maytag has cleaned much better - especially starchy foods - then with any US detergent. Ultimately, the US market will have to switch to a different form of heating than the current exposed calrod ring. It just won't work with the small volumes of water involved. | ||
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Post# 204602 , Reply# 13 4/16/2007 at 22:26 (6,218 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 204605 , Reply# 14 4/16/2007 at 22:33 (6,218 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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And I allow a great deal of error, but this is ridiculous!
MY KA tall tub is total garbage! It can't wash a dish to save its own life! Beware of Kenmore, Whirlpool and KA tall tubs. Trust me darlings, any-olde POS inexpensive Hotpoint or GE will do a better job. My drinking glasses emerge with grit and a coating. EWWWWWWWWWWWW...and I use plenty of detergent! | ||
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Post# 204606 , Reply# 15 4/16/2007 at 22:37 (6,218 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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It's getting to the point that I will put a 2 to 3 gallon (8 to 12 Liter) booster hot water heater under the sink with my next DW no matter what it is. I just CAN'T stand the duration of cycle times and the lack of reuslts due to this Energy Star water-conservation @#$%^&*. Water is a renewable resource; wasted time and electricity is not. | ||
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Post# 204607 , Reply# 16 4/16/2007 at 22:39 (6,218 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well my Kenmore (built by WCI) 18" portable is hardly the Rolls Royce of dishwashers, but does a decent enough job. Have found adding a scant 1/4 teaspoon of STPP to each detergent cup along with detergent does wonders. Where once had yibbles and such all over everything, no matter how the unit was loaded and or how much detergent/rinse agent was used; now things come out sparkling and yibble free. | ||
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Post# 204608 , Reply# 17 4/16/2007 at 22:41 (6,218 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 204610 , Reply# 18 4/16/2007 at 22:45 (6,218 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Believe it or not my house CAME with that model and it was fine for me! The ex got sick and tired of emptying it so many times a week and or day. I moved cabinets over a few inches got a new coutner-top and squeezed in a full-size machine. It was SO worth the effort. I should have saved the 18 incher as a bar washer for glassware. | ||
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Post# 204716 , Reply# 19 4/17/2007 at 10:11 (6,218 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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I used the NORMAL cycle on my Maytag until someone (either Bob or Lawrence) suggested I try the CHINA/CRYSTAL cycle, which is only about 50 minutes in length. I've pretty much stopped using the Normal cycle as C/C does a great job on its own. Togs, I know what you mean about the ridiculously long wash cycles. My daily drivers are the C/C and INSTA-WASH (20 mins.) cycles. I suppose if your KA doesn't do a very good job on the Normal cycle, using an even shorter one isn't an option... | ||
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Post# 204722 , Reply# 20 4/17/2007 at 10:30 (6,218 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 204774 , Reply# 22 4/17/2007 at 16:07 (6,217 days old) by cny4 (Central New York) | ||
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My Whirlpool portable does an excellent job of cleaning, the built in version is only $300.00. Whirlpool has always made a great dishwasher IMO. | ||
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Post# 204792 , Reply# 23 4/17/2007 at 17:04 (6,217 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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STTP
Sodium Tri-Poly Phospate. I got me a tub as a gift from a very generous friend. I believe the chemical supply house is in the Carolinas. Will check name/addy this evening and post. I can't tell you how fabulously retro it is to see soap suds with phosphates. The all have those reflective rainbows on them as I used to remember. *SIGH* and the cleaning OY VEY the best! | ||
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Post# 204793 , Reply# 24 4/17/2007 at 17:04 (6,217 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 204797 , Reply# 25 4/17/2007 at 17:11 (6,217 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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~Whirlpool has always made a great dishwasher IMO They are wonderful machines and still my favorite. but NOT the tall-tub. LAWD have mercy those are a MESS! I bought the KA in that I thought I was getting a WP power-clean module type machine with a SS tub. *NOT*!!!!!!!!!!!! with a tall-tub! If I were not leaving it with the house I am in the process of selling I would have kicked its unworthy @$$ to the curb, it's SO BAD! Really; ANY $200 POS GE / Hotpoint can out-perform it. | ||
| Post# 204799 , Reply# 26 4/17/2007 at 17:16 (6,217 days old) by andyelectrolux (Canton, MA) | ||
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Thank you Toggles :-) | ||
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Post# 204803 , Reply# 27 4/17/2007 at 17:36 (6,217 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Wow. Still bad reports on the tall-tub machines then. I'm caught in a loop then looking for a new dishwasher for the new kitchen. Miele, LG or Bosch. I've heard a lot good about all three, more so the Miele but oy! the price. For the entry level concealed controls model from Miele, I can get two LG or Bosch and I have no interest in the drawer-type units or a BOL of any brand.
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Post# 204805 , Reply# 28 4/17/2007 at 17:42 (6,217 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Living better through chemistry ...snort..snort!
GE tall-tub is my next one! The Chemistry Store. Com 1133 Walter Price Street Cayce, SC 29033 Tel: 800.224.1430 Sodium Tripolyphosphate (STTP) CAS 7758-29-4 They even have poofs /poufs for sale. *LOL* CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch's LINK | ||
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Post# 204826 , Reply# 29 4/17/2007 at 18:49 (6,217 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Well, I'm happy with our Siemens. Regular cycle takes 140 minutes and uses 14 liters or 67 minutes and 18 liters if I use the VarioSpeed option. While this is less water than most US dishwashers use, cleaning is superb. Even if there is water left in indentations of cups which have been placed in the corners of the upper rack - it's clear because the DW has a four-stage filtration. Despite the lower water level the water pressure is very powerful. I remember throwing some screws in the cutlery basket (I always remove the handles of lids before loading them into the DW). Then I closed the cutlery basket's flip-down cover and added all the cutlery. At the end of the cycle all the screws were trapped in the filter - the water jet just shot them through the basket even though it was loaded with cutlery AND the cover was closed. Alex | ||
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Post# 204928 , Reply# 31 4/18/2007 at 06:46 (6,217 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 204933 , Reply# 32 4/18/2007 at 07:01 (6,217 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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dishwasher performance
I have a 2 1/2 y/o Kenmore Elite dishwasher. Not quite the TOL model, but basically the same thing. Other than the fact that it has had a motor replacement before its first birthday, it seems to work fine. My observation has been that for the WP talltub machines, the type of detergent you use is very important. I have found that liquid/gel detergents cause the machine to sudslock. The water level is very low and for whatever reason gels suds up alot and that pretty much halts performance because the motor is basically pumping air and dishes are not getting cleaned. Cascade Complete powder has worked the best for this machine in my experience. No sudsing giving the motor full spraying power and cleans very well. You have to be sure the rinse agent is full too. Newer WP are rather generous with the rinse agent so it doesn't last as long. 99% I've had good luck with this combination. Hope that helps someone. | ||
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Post# 204942 , Reply# 33 4/18/2007 at 08:11 (6,217 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 204967 , Reply# 34 4/18/2007 at 09:06 (6,217 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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I love my Bosch!
I had one in the old house and put one in this house too. It does take forever but cleans the hell out of everything I throw at it. The house had a 10 year old TOL GE that did an OK job of cleaning but I hated the racks (had the dreaded pop up tower) and the damn thing sounded like a truck in the kitchen. I have put in crusty crock pots in this Bosch that come out clean and I don't have any of the gunk in the glasses that some talk about. Mine has a short wash cycle but it doesn't seem to take much less time than the Super Scrub cycle. I am sorry to say I have a bunch of buttons on mine and always use the one for the extended scrub cycle. Based on what I've read here I may try some of the others to see if the cleaning is any different. I use Cascade Complete powder in mine. | ||
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Post# 204968 , Reply# 35 4/18/2007 at 09:07 (6,217 days old) by re563 (Fort Worth, Texas) |
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Post# 204973 , Reply# 37 4/18/2007 at 09:49 (6,217 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Retromom, what say you? Chime-in girl! | ||
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Post# 204997 , Reply# 39 4/18/2007 at 13:17 (6,217 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Wow. wow, wow
Just watched (and videotaped :) ) another load being washed in our Siemens and I really have to say this thing is a dish-WASHER - compared to the AEG, which was more of a dish-SPRAYER. Now if I only had a plexiglas door! Would be so much easier than covering the whole opening with cling film... ;) CLICK HERE TO GO TO logixx's LINK | ||
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Post# 205006 , Reply# 40 4/18/2007 at 14:48 (6,216 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Time Temperature
Mostly depends on if the timing system is somehow routed through the heating system, and or some sort of thermostat, IIRC. Our Kenmore/Frigidiare 18" model has a mechanical timer that has a specific on/off section as it moves round for heating. If one has not selected "water heat" the dw still will "sit" in that area for a particular time, then move on. To me this means that the heating system is designed to heat by time not temp. That is if the water does not reach the desired temp within the alloted time, the dw does not "care" and will move on. During the winter months when the boilers are on, hot water out of our kitchen tap reaches the 135F-140F or higher range, and the dw takes the exact amount of time to complete a wash cycle as during the warmer months with the boilers off and hot water only reaches 120F or a bit above. My vintage Miele washing machine has the same system, that is the timer is not routed though any sort of thermostat, but uses an alloted pre-set time to heat water. Mind you on 220v power it will reach any of the selected temps, up to 200F quite quickly. However on 120V (this machine runs on both 120V and 220V, one has choose temps/cycles carefully and watch the timer. Thankfully can control incoming water temp from the taps and usually use warm water to fill when using temps of 140F and above, and sometimes even 120V as it speeds things along instead of starting from tap cold water. L. | ||
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Heating Concerns
If you're looking for an American dishwasher that can still heat water quickly and logically, PLEASE took at the GE tall tub machines. Just go look at their beefy Calrod unit. We have the Triton XL at home and I can attest to it's speediness of heating. When the Antibacteria cycle is used, the final 155F rinse is no longer than 30min. So it's able to get the water from 120 to 155F and hold it there, in a half hour or less. I think that's fantastic. Check them out! You'll be glad you did. Oh, and they load and wash fantastically too. WITH FULL PRESSURE. 
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Post# 205039 , Reply# 42 4/18/2007 at 16:52 (6,216 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Well, according to the most recent Whirlpool tech sheet for their TOL dishwasher (the ones with the spray jets at the back of the tub) the heater will energize on all cycles during the main wash and final rinse, regardless if High Temp is selected or not. The tech sheet also mentions thermal holds (up to three during a cycle). It says the dishwasher: "[...] pauses 2 or 3 times during the cycle for thermal holds and advances once temperature is met." I wonder, however, if the DW will also heat cold water to the target temp or if it'll just advance at some point (timeout).
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Post# 205063 , Reply# 43 4/18/2007 at 19:04 (6,216 days old) by paulg (My sweet home... Chicago) |
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My KitchenAid DW only drinks Lake Michigan water.
My KitchenAid Tall Tub does a phenomenal job of cleaning dishes. Never any grit leftover and everything is just squeaky clean. It is so interesting how others can have completely opposite experiences. My curiosity is piqued! I use Electra-Sol liquid and the unit was installed by the contractor. ... Maybe it's the fabulous Lake Michigan water! Whirlpool HQ is nearby and probably designed the unit using the same water.... Yeah.. that's it. It's the water.. | ||
| Post# 205077 , Reply# 44 4/18/2007 at 20:57 (6,216 days old) by cny4 (Central New York) | ||
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Yeah, I was going to say why would the tall tubs perform differently than others in the model line? I didn't think they used any less water. | ||
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Post# 205136 , Reply# 46 4/19/2007 at 03:52 (6,216 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Alexander,
The Whirlpool - depending on the board revision - has an out of range function which doesn't even try if the water is too cold (or too hot). My Miele's instruction book says hot water is ok, but the cycle programming compensates somewhat to balance the otherwise shorter time caused by not having to heat the water as much. Miele also warns against using hot water as the slow rise in temperature from cold to warm and from warm to hot gives first the enzymes and then the bleach(s) each their perfect operating environment. I don't know - in both kitchens, one with 60°C hot water and here with "only" cold, it has always washed everything perfectly. Of course, it was top rated for cleaning, although at 2,100DM it was not (nearly!!!) the most expensive Miele at the time I bought it. It seems to me to make more sense to just spend the money on a really good vintage Kitchen Aid or GE or new Miele or Bosch than to waste it on the crap which is offered on the market today from domestic makers (exceptions abound, but those are usually just as expensive as the Bosch stuff. The nice thing about Miele is that the quality and results are not affected by the price. The "BOL" mentality we use in the 'States just doesn't apply. A friend has a Primavera - their "bargain" line (you only have to rob one bank to buy them) and it has washed just as well and for just as long as mine. | ||
| Post# 205295 , Reply# 48 4/20/2007 at 00:24 (6,215 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 205368 , Reply# 49 4/20/2007 at 19:41 (6,214 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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John, GE also did that on the rinse between the main wash & pre-rinse for older dial/button GEs which used the same 60 minute cycle for both Light & Normal Washes. My GSD1200 does the "delicate/china/crystal" "fill" on the rinse between the 2 washes when Energy Saver wash cycle is selected. And as you state, the Normal & PotScrubber cycles have that "partial" fill one the first of 3 rinses after the main wash. Light soil only has 2 post-wash rinses.
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| Post# 205379 , Reply# 50 4/20/2007 at 20:27 (6,214 days old) by exploder3211 () | ||
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WHo wants a quite dishwasher?? If you can't here it wash then it aint washin!@!! | ||
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Post# 205385 , Reply# 51 4/20/2007 at 21:06 (6,214 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Post# 205420 , Reply# 52 4/21/2007 at 05:46 (6,214 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 205511 , Reply# 53 4/21/2007 at 20:50 (6,213 days old) by cny4 (Central New York) | ||
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Any difference between tall tub and the super capacity models referenced on Whirlpool's web site? | ||
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Post# 205525 , Reply# 54 4/21/2007 at 21:45 (6,213 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 205671 , Reply# 56 4/22/2007 at 18:19 (6,212 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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push start, go to bed and enjoy the sounds. | ||
| Post# 205703 , Reply# 57 4/22/2007 at 20:59 (6,212 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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the sounds of the Dishwasher silly :-) | ||
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Post# 205900 , Reply# 61 4/23/2007 at 22:43 (6,211 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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~I've very rarely had a dish come out with something stuck to it. But how are your drinking glasses? Granted, my machine is a few years of age, but the film and grit it leaves behind in items loaded in the upper rack is absolute yuk! I've got som STPP in mine rignt now for the first time. Let's see if that helps. Maybe the newer models have been corrected. Did anyone say they were? | ||
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Post# 205950 , Reply# 62 4/24/2007 at 07:03 (6,211 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 206055 , Reply# 64 4/24/2007 at 20:28 (6,210 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL) |
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Tom, I did your dishwasher test. I have a Bosch SHX46A07UC/26 that is now a year old. Tonight I used the Power Scrub Plus cycle with Cascade/w dawn and some of these dishes were sitting in here since Sunday. The book says at 140 degrees it should take 136 minutes. I took the temp of the water coming out of the faucet and it was 151 degrees. I started the dw at 7:15PM and if finished at 9:00PM. So it took only 105 minutes to complete and they are spotless as always. Here is a picture of the before lower rack(does this rank as a bobload®)
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Post# 206057 , Reply# 65 4/24/2007 at 20:28 (6,210 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL) |
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Post# 206110 , Reply# 66 4/24/2007 at 23:41 (6,210 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 206159 , Reply# 68 4/25/2007 at 07:09 (6,210 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 206222 , Reply# 69 4/25/2007 at 11:23 (6,210 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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Steve,
depending on when you bought you WP dishwasher, there may be a redesigned spray arm available. From ServiceMatters.com: KITCHENAID TALL TUB DISHWASHER Models: KUD01, Serial Code Range: FK28 – FL48 Condition: Customer complains of grit on glasses, poor washability and/or food re-deposited on glasses in the upper rack especially in the corners. Cause: The upper spray arm is not allowing water to be directed to the corners of the rack, especially if glasses are loaded in an upright position. Resolution: The upper rack spray arm has been redesigned to improve water spray to all corners of the upper rack. Order and install upper rack spray arm, Part Number 8269022. NOTE: Poor washability may be caused by a number of conditions, such as improper loading, water temperature/ water level too low, detergent/rinse aid dispenser not working properly, etc. It is important to check these other conditions along with the spray arm replacement. February 2002 BTW: the same applies to Whirlpool TT's: Models: GU1200XT, GU1500XT, GU2300XT, Serial Code Range: Prior to FL48, spare part Number 8269024. (April 2002) @ Mike: yeah, those Bosch dishwashers are great :)) Alex 
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Post# 206242 , Reply# 70 4/25/2007 at 14:15 (6,209 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL) |
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Toggle, Yes you are correct, the Bosch is not as deep as my 80's KA Superba or my Frigidaire Gallery. For example I could get another 5 coffee mugs or drinking glasses in the top rack and the spacing of the tines in the lower rack make it difficult to load our cereal bowls. The silverware basket is smaller, but what I do like about it is you can put it anywhere in the upper or lower rack. I bought the knife rack in the left of the upper rack as an option. Mike | ||
| Post# 206244 , Reply# 71 4/25/2007 at 14:18 (6,209 days old) by nmaineman36 () | ||
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drawers here is a BobLoad Fisher and Paykel style 
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| Post# 206245 , Reply# 72 4/25/2007 at 14:19 (6,209 days old) by nmaineman36 () | ||
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Bottom drawer pic of the lower drawer 
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Post# 206246 , Reply# 73 4/25/2007 at 14:25 (6,209 days old) by parunner58 (Davenport, FL) |
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Bob, That plastic container did not even move. Also suprisingly all my plastic and Tupperware stuff comes out completely dry when the dw beeps when finished. The condensation drying really works. It does like to drink alot of Jet Dry. After having it a year, I have checked the filter and even though I never pre-rinse, I have never found anything in the filter to clean out. I would buy another one. Mike | ||
| Post# 206270 , Reply# 74 4/25/2007 at 16:43 (6,209 days old) by drhardee ( Columbia, SC) | ||
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Post# 206275 , Reply# 75 4/25/2007 at 17:00 (6,209 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 206277 , Reply# 76 4/25/2007 at 17:02 (6,209 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 207415 , Reply# 77 4/30/2007 at 14:39 (6,204 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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Don't Euro DW's heat the water from cold like the Eu
Greetings to all! (thought I'd add my 3 cents worth here) When we bought our house 8 ½ years ago, it came with a Brand New B.O.L Frigidaire DW, so new it still had the shipping material inside. This was the absolute very bottom as B.O.L you could get (Less then $180 at that time) and had no upper spray arm, only the pop-up "spray tower". I quickly came to realize that, unless I pre-washed anything going into the top rack, it would NOT be clean once the machine completed it's cycle. ARRRG! After 6 or 7 months of frustration from using a machine that would actually clean items placed only in the bottom rack, I bought and installed a new Kitchenaid tall tub DW. It was either the B.O.L. or the next model up, but I have been MUCH happier with this one! Yes I do agree that mugs or glasses placed in the extreme corners of the upper rack will, about 75% of the time have sediment/residue in or on them. But I came up with a very simple solution, simply DON'T put glasses in the extreme corners of the upper rack. Ta-da, problem solved! Yes, one time a casserole dish with lots of crusty, baked on guk did not come out completely clean, BUT that was only because I neglected to run it on the "heavy" cycle. I have had no other problems in 8 years and have been very happy with it's performance! Also I don't really notice any issues with long cycle times, I usually start it before going to bed. While it may not be as dead silent as a Bosch, Asko or Miele, it is very quiet over all!. On detergents, I use a powder. I have tried liquids/gels, but for what ever reason (can't explain it) I don't care for them. I have use Costco (Kirkland brand) for a few years and the last couple boxes were Electa-Sol. | ||
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Post# 207504 , Reply# 78 4/30/2007 at 20:49 (6,204 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Call the moyel.
In Sears I saw some Kenmore Tall-tubs. The upper spray-arms now have a large spray-hole visible at the end. Apparently the upper wash-arm in my KitcheAid tall tub LACKS a spray-hole at the very tip (OY LOL). Have drill will travel. I wonder how much time and money it took an engineer to figure this out! | ||
| Post# 207555 , Reply# 79 4/30/2007 at 22:57 (6,204 days old) by jasonl (Cookeville, TN) | ||
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I'll show you mine if you show me yours huhu huhu huhu huhu 
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Post# 207577 , Reply# 80 12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,838 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 207603 , Reply# 81 5/1/2007 at 06:46 (6,204 days old) by bleacho () | ||
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problem solved the drawer dishwasher was looked at by a technician, and he noted it was a manufacturer defective maching.. i knew i wanst nuts... returned it and bought a bosch... again....hey everyone, thanks for your responses. they helped a lot... | ||
| Post# 207605 , Reply# 82 5/1/2007 at 06:55 (6,204 days old) by magic clean () | ||
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The spray arm was revised in late 2001. | ||
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Post# 207756 , Reply# 83 5/1/2007 at 19:47 (6,203 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Added two spray holes of approximatley the same size as the others. One near the tip, the other 1/4 of the way in. Was conscious of the couter-clockwise (anti-clocklwise) rotation of the spray-arm to ensure the 45* angle of the new hole "helps" rather than "fights" the rotation. What I have most likley accomplished is that there is now not enough pressure/force to wash anything well. LOL We shall see! | ||
| Post# 207935 , Reply# 84 5/2/2007 at 17:59 (6,202 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
Seriously?
So, Hobart comes out with the KitchenAid 18 series with the top wash-arm after years of bottom-wash-arm-only configurations, and they put a shorty up in the top rack with no jets at the ends. Result: Yiblets in the far-corner glasses. Glasses encrusted, even COATED in crumbs, toothpicks, used tissues, and meat gristle. There's rioting in the streets, and hundreds of dishwashers are flipped-over and set ablaze. Customers complain, Hobart learns a lesson, and releases a revised upper rack with a wash arm that's lengthier and has VERY pronounced jets at the tips. Whirlpool acquires KitchenAid from Hobart, and continues this basic design for a long time, so we know that the idea of the idea was still there. And yet, they had to learn this all over again? *chuckle* | ||
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Post# 208002 , Reply# 85 5/3/2007 at 07:07 (6,202 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Hold the Yiblets, Please. | ||
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Post# 208098 , Reply# 86 5/3/2007 at 19:20 (6,201 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 208125 , Reply# 87 5/3/2007 at 22:19 (6,201 days old) by bleacho () | ||
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thanks appnut thanks for the congrats..and to all . your comments were helpful | ||
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Post# 208129 , Reply# 88 5/3/2007 at 22:31 (6,201 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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kenmore drawer | ||
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Post# 208142 , Reply# 89 5/3/2007 at 22:52 (6,201 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Banish it to *flea-pay!* | ||
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Post# 208213 , Reply# 92 5/4/2007 at 12:06 (6,201 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Possible changing of brand name *after* product sales have already occurred? Who woulda thunk it! I should note that my F&P DishDrawer has the same glitch with glasses placed at the corners. I've found that placing *larger* diameter glasses there, instead of smaller ones such as 4- to 6-oz juice glasses, gives better results. The Normal cycle is 112 mins, Normal Eco is 88 mins. | ||
| Post# 708554 , Reply# 95 10/11/2013 at 08:21 (3,849 days old) by Mich (Hells Kitchen - New York) | ||
I'm hoping... | ||
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