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Post# 214657 6/6/2007 at 20:05 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140  (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 214661 , Reply# 1 6/6/2007 at 20:11 (6,167 days old) by exploder3211 () | ||
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Hotpoint.. Read the belt.. Says it right there.. | ||
| Post# 214662 , Reply# 2 6/6/2007 at 20:12 (6,167 days old) by exploder3211 () | ||
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LoL not ment to be snappy btw | ||
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Post# 214664 , Reply# 3 6/6/2007 at 20:16 (6,167 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Its an early Hotpoint | ||
| Post# 214666 , Reply# 4 6/6/2007 at 20:18 (6,167 days old) by magic clean () | ||
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Perhaps a hybrid of a GE - Hotpoint. Maybe even a different brand name on the console?? | ||
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Post# 214668 , Reply# 5 6/6/2007 at 20:20 (6,167 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Not a Hotpoint | ||
| Post# 214669 , Reply# 6 6/6/2007 at 20:23 (6,167 days old) by rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Then tell us - the suspense is killing me! LOL | ||
| Post# 214671 , Reply# 7 6/6/2007 at 20:29 (6,167 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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J.C. Penney? | ||
| Post# 214672 , Reply# 8 6/6/2007 at 20:30 (6,167 days old) by exploder3211 () | ||
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Hmmmm.. 1/2 Hp motor, hotpoint drive belt, ok.... | ||
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Post# 214689 , Reply# 9 6/6/2007 at 21:07 (6,167 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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That sure looks like a ge machine to me | ||
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Post# 214691 , Reply# 10 6/6/2007 at 21:13 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214692 , Reply# 11 6/6/2007 at 21:14 (6,167 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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well it says it has a 1/2 HP motor. *LOL* | ||
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Post# 214693 , Reply# 12 6/6/2007 at 21:16 (6,167 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Post# 214696 , Reply# 13 6/6/2007 at 21:19 (6,167 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Hmmmmmm is right----I'd forgot all about this critter! | ||
| Post# 214697 , Reply# 14 6/6/2007 at 21:22 (6,167 days old) by exploder3211 () | ||
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What in the world? Something made by hotpoint co? | ||
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Post# 214698 , Reply# 15 6/6/2007 at 21:34 (6,167 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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| Post# 214711 , Reply# 16 6/6/2007 at 22:14 (6,167 days old) by filterflo (Chicago Area) | ||
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Wizard Citation, design by Franklin....... | ||
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Post# 214716 , Reply# 17 6/6/2007 at 22:32 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Ding, Ding, thank you Jimmy, you got it! Yes it looks like a GE Pump coupler, but it's a Franklin pump coupler actually. And I have no idea why there is a Hotpoint belt in this machine, someone obviously had worked on this machine before and figured out that a Hotpoint belt was the same size as a Franklin belt. Yes the "PIG" as I lovingly call it is now out of storage, home and installed for a while to play with. Unfortunately the pump seized up while it was in storage and the timer needed to be repaired, so that is what I had been working on for the past four nights, but tonight it did it's premier wash load tonight, at least as well as the Pig can! 
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Post# 214717 , Reply# 18 6/6/2007 at 22:35 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Here he is washing a load of towels, the lower front panel is off so I can check for leaks, not a one YAY. I had to fight with the poor dear for the past three days trying to get the supports that are welded to the outer tub that hold the pump in place to stop leaking. There were pin holes underneath the welds at the bottom of the outer tub, oy!
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Post# 214718 , Reply# 19 6/6/2007 at 22:36 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214719 , Reply# 20 6/6/2007 at 22:39 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214720 , Reply# 21 6/6/2007 at 22:40 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214721 , Reply# 22 6/6/2007 at 22:43 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214722 , Reply# 23 6/6/2007 at 22:48 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214723 , Reply# 24 6/6/2007 at 22:52 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 214724 , Reply# 25 6/6/2007 at 22:54 (6,167 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada) | ||
yay for the pig | ||
| Post# 214734 , Reply# 26 6/6/2007 at 23:28 (6,167 days old) by mixguy (St. Martinville, Louisiana) | ||
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Wizard Washers Looking at the tranny, were Wizard washers made using some GE parts? My grandfather had the matching dryer in coppertone. My grandmother loved her semi automatic wringer washer. She used to brag how she get her whole wash done in the time those automatic washers to do just one load. | ||
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Post# 214736 , Reply# 27 6/6/2007 at 23:33 (6,167 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Wizard
Hi Robert, You did a real beautiful job on restoring the wizard. I enjoyed the video you sent out very much. The top of the adj reminds me of the goose neck Hotpoint. This is a real gem of of washer. Did these models always stay solid tub? As much as I enjoyed the Wizard my eyes went to the wonderful Kelvinator next to it (now that is a real show piece) Best Wishes Peter | ||
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Post# 214744 , Reply# 28 6/7/2007 at 00:40 (6,167 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Wizard! | ||
| Post# 214745 , Reply# 29 6/7/2007 at 00:42 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
YAY Wizard!!
Yay, Robert!! How cool!! I had fun watching this go on a DVD that Roger showed me. I have to say, you wouldn't have itchy clothes with the amount of water that this thing uses! Those mechanicals are amazingly GE-esque. I had not the slightest clue. Did this design stay basically in place as the machines evolved--i.e., did a mid-seventies WCI Kelvinator have essentially the same mechanical layout underneath, I wonder? Love that agitator :-P | ||
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Post# 214751 , Reply# 30 6/7/2007 at 01:28 (6,167 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Cool Machine! | ||
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Post# 214753 , Reply# 31 6/7/2007 at 01:35 (6,167 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Post# 214761 , Reply# 32 6/7/2007 at 03:49 (6,167 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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wow
OK, my first thought was GE or Hotpoint. But then,hmm, that is exactly what Samantha would want Darrin to think. Then I noticed the tranny. Hmm, thought I, I have seen that somewhere before...and it was not under the skirts of a GE or Hotpoint... Then I gave up and read the rest of the links. Pig is a nice name for him. But, gosh - at least there is real metal in there. Question: What does the "reset" button do? The motor? Or the water level? Enquiring minds want to know! | ||
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Post# 214769 , Reply# 33 6/7/2007 at 06:02 (6,167 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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This machine also reminds me of a childhood neighbor's similar Coronado. It had a most unique and unusual operating sound---not completely unlike a pig, as Robert has noted---and it was a fairly unrefined machine all 'round. There was a partial fill button; I notice yours has a 'water level selector' button. If you wanted less than a maximum fill, you'd press the fill button which would shut off the fill and start the agitation. I remember the vertically angled clothes guard, like the one in the photo above. I don't recall it having an angel-wing agitator, though. Gotta love the solid tub. | ||
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Post# 214783 , Reply# 34 6/7/2007 at 07:52 (6,167 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Oh that thing is a PIG!
Right down to the deluxe "Rah Hah" styling and silkscreened information on the panel. The original Wizard operators drank VO heavily and smoked a "pack" over that machine while the steaks with the really thick fat band sizzled on the new K-mart aluminum cookeware in avocado green. And right next to the machine was a huge jug of store brand pink fabric softener called "Fluffy Best" with that bright pink smell! oh Yeah! Fine Livin'! It's technology comes down direct from caveman times "beat your clothes hard on a good solid rock"! That machine can save you a fortune in prewashed jeans! Just buy the regular unwashed jeans and toss them in for one load and they are as soft as butter after! I've seen it with myne owyne eyes! Klunk-smash-0-matic that's what that machine is! Robert isn't it funny how storage can kill a machine as bad as heavy caustic detergent use can. I am surprised the pump seized and it grew pin hole leaks there. Did you whip out your magic purse and slap on the JB Weld? ducks and runssssssssssssssssss | ||
| Post# 214788 , Reply# 35 6/7/2007 at 08:37 (6,167 days old) by hoover1060 () | ||
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very nice Beautiful machine Robert, whats the vintage? | ||
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Post# 214792 , Reply# 36 6/7/2007 at 08:46 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Looking at the tranny, were Wizard washers made using some GE parts? No, not to my knowledge, although the pump coupler looks very similar, there are some slight differences and the bottom of the transmission looks similar as well, but it’s not the same. I have to say, you wouldn't have itchy clothes with the amount of water that this thing uses! I agree Nate, I don’t think this machine could use any more water if it tried. 49 Gallons for a complete wash cycle! It has a spray rinse in the wash spin as well as the final spin, a three minute overflow rinse (at full pressure, not like a Frigidaire that cuts the water pressure flow down by 40%). Plus to top it off "pardon the pun", 2/3rds through the wash cycle the machine has a one minute "replenishment fill" to restore the water level in the wash tub because of all the splashing that has splashed water over the top of the tub and down the drain. Did this design stay basically in place as the machines evolved--i.e., did a mid-seventies WCI Kelvinator have essentially the same mechanical layout underneath, I wonder? The transmission is similar, but I know they changed the pump for the perforated basket machines of the 1970’s. Nate can you take a picture of the mechanicals under your Franklin/WCI/Kelvinator? It would be interesting to see. What does the "reset" button do? The motor? Or the water level? Enquiring minds want to know!. Ken the reset is the motor protector button, and the water level button simply stops fill and starts agitation when you press it. I am surprised the pump seized and it grew pin hole leaks there. Did you whip out your magic purse and slap on the JB Weld? Not quite Jon. The pump was seized when I first acquired the washer, so I unseized it with a pair of vice grips, I’m not surprised it reseized up in the few years I had it in storage. But since I was going to install the machine now in the collection I figured it was time to put on a brand new shiny pump. As for the pin holes, they were there before storage, I just put down a towel before, but this time I needed to go in and fix the problem. I didn’t use JB Weld, I prefer two part plumbers epoxy, it dries and ready for testing in less than an hour. No need to wait overnight like with JB. | ||
| Post# 214794 , Reply# 37 6/7/2007 at 09:02 (6,167 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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Post# 214801 , Reply# 38 6/7/2007 at 10:09 (6,167 days old) by jeff_adelphi (Adelphi, Maryland, USA) |
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| Post# 214803 , Reply# 39 6/7/2007 at 10:20 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Tee-hee
Um, er, Robert, we put the WCI Kelvy out to the curb about a year ago with a sign on it that said "free--works." It was gone in an half an hour. I liked the mechanicals, but it was totally BOL. On our next trip up to Phoenix, I'll peruse the Franklin department of the Glendale yard and find another to bring home and play with. We'll get some intimate photos then :-) | ||
| Post# 214804 , Reply# 40 6/7/2007 at 10:23 (6,167 days old) by bwoods () | ||
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Good one, Rob!! (or do you prefer Robert??) As soon as I saw that coupler, I said GE product. You got me on this one. BTW Do you recall an appliance line from the 1960's known as "Bradford" or am I dreaming this. Barry | ||
| Post# 214805 , Reply# 41 6/7/2007 at 10:28 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Hi Barry | ||
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Post# 214809 , Reply# 42 6/7/2007 at 10:45 (6,167 days old) by trainguy (Key West, FL) |
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Post# 214821 , Reply# 43 6/7/2007 at 13:40 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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That was a machine purchased at the Western Auto, correct? Hi Steve, yes you would have to purchase a Wizard appliance at a Western Auto store. There were quite a few Franklin made machines of this era, such as Marquette, Wizard, Coronado, Co-Op, Bradford, etc. Um, er, Robert, we put the WCI Kelvy out to the curb about a year ago with a sign on it that said "free--works." It was gone in an half an hour. Sigh. So does anyone out there have a 1970’s Franklin machine to compare? I could be wrong but I believe there is only one other known solid-basket Franklin washer out there that the Georgia boys have, but I believe it’s in a pre-restored condition. | ||
| Post# 214824 , Reply# 44 6/7/2007 at 13:47 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Post# 214825 , Reply# 45 6/7/2007 at 13:53 (6,167 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Fun to see... | ||
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Post# 214828 , Reply# 46 6/7/2007 at 14:01 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214829 , Reply# 47 6/7/2007 at 14:04 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 214831 , Reply# 49 6/7/2007 at 14:08 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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To the rescue! | ||
| Post# 214832 , Reply# 50 6/7/2007 at 14:10 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Thanks, Robert ;-) | ||
| Post# 214833 , Reply# 51 6/7/2007 at 14:12 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Seventies WCI-Franklin
The motor no longer drives the pump through a coupler like a GE; the pump flips and is now mounted on the underside of the motor and is directly driven. I'm not sure how similar/dissimilar the transmission configuration is. The overall impression of this machine is that it was much more similar to a Westinghouse toploader, only with the pump on the bottom of the motor instead of the top, and with no irritating idler pulley to make changing the belt a complete PITA. | ||
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Post# 214837 , Reply# 52 6/7/2007 at 14:26 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 214838 , Reply# 53 6/7/2007 at 14:34 (6,167 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Link | ||
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Post# 214839 , Reply# 54 6/7/2007 at 14:45 (6,167 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Thanks Nate. By the way to post a link directly here without using the box below be sure to leave out the " marks. Like this: a href=http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/VINTAGE/2005/3666x42.htm http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/ARCHIVE/VINTAGE/2005/3666x42.htm | ||
| Post# 214848 , Reply# 55 6/7/2007 at 15:30 (6,167 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA) | ||
Hush, Steve... There are 3 pics of the Wizzard we have... This one, "next", and "next"... CLICK HERE TO GO TO peterh770's LINK | ||
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Post# 214887 , Reply# 56 6/7/2007 at 19:54 (6,166 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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This Wizard is a 1966 model and in case you are wondering Consumer Reports ranked this machine dead last in their 9/66 issue. I'm surprised at their water extraction rating, I didn't think it was that bad. It certainly is better than my '63 Velvapower Easy or my '62 Co-Axial Hotpoint those two take the cake for the worse at spinning in the basement, (the '56 Hotpoint is much better at water extraction than the '62 by the way).
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| Post# 214895 , Reply# 57 6/7/2007 at 20:15 (6,166 days old) by gocartwasher () | ||
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yes a GE if you look at the clutch its one that I ised on my first homemade gocart ,then later used a oil filled clutch from a Speed Queen | ||
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Post# 214911 , Reply# 58 6/7/2007 at 22:19 (6,166 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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OK This is going to be WAY TOOOOO MUCH FUN!
Leon had mentioned above "And that agitator looks VERY similar to the one in my Simpson." Funny I thought the same thing when I saw the agitator in his Simpson which is a Beam machine, but this is a Franklin machine. Well I figured I better check this out, so look at this! The Beam/Speed Queen agitator fits PERFECTLY into the Franklin. No adjustments or shims necessary, it's a perfect fit and the agitator drive blocks are essentially the same.
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Post# 214912 , Reply# 59 6/7/2007 at 22:20 (6,166 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 214913 , Reply# 60 6/7/2007 at 22:22 (6,166 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Again a Perfect Fit! | ||
| Post# 214922 , Reply# 61 6/8/2007 at 00:23 (6,166 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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WOW!!!!
Yay to trans-agitation! :-D What's "big red" from--a Coronado? I can't wait to see how the different agitators work in the different machines! Oh, btw, Robert, I found the issue--I was confused, because my pics and hrefs work from a Mac (Safari apparently automatically compensates), but now that I'm on a PC, I notice they do not work from Internet Explorer...thank you for noting that. | ||
| Post# 214993 , Reply# 62 6/8/2007 at 11:12 (6,166 days old) by harold (Madison, WI) | ||
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Robert, May we know the model number of the machine? And also can we see a video of it washing and the overflow, and the spin cycle? Thank you Robert.. | ||
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Post# 214998 , Reply# 63 6/8/2007 at 11:41 (6,166 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Wow..
Now I REALLY want to see this machine in action, especially with Big Red, I missed out seeing it last time AND am still waiting for a copy of the vid...Tap..Tap..Tap.....LOL I would have said Hotpoint / GE as its soooo similar to the gubbins of the Hotpoint filterflow top loader, this is my 1989 machine, motor, tranny and even the pump coupler...FAB 
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Post# 215006 , Reply# 64 6/8/2007 at 13:18 (6,166 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Robert------ That Wizzzaaaaard agitator will be brutal in a SQ. More interesting, will be the red one in the Wizzzaaaaaard. I am curious about the roll-over----might be even better with the SQ agitator! | ||
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Post# 215118 , Reply# 65 6/9/2007 at 10:26 (6,165 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 215130 , Reply# 66 6/9/2007 at 12:35 (6,165 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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| Post# 215131 , Reply# 67 6/9/2007 at 12:38 (6,165 days old) by golittlesport (California) | ||
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and speaking of big red... | ||
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Post# 215169 , Reply# 68 6/9/2007 at 16:01 (6,165 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Oh my this is a riot | ||
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Post# 215171 , Reply# 69 6/9/2007 at 16:07 (6,165 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia) |
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I have a simpson fluid drive That has a label on the back, that says Manufactured by Simpson Bros Ltd, under license from Franklin Inc USA. So there was some relationship there between the beam and franklin designs, at least early on. | ||
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Post# 215179 , Reply# 70 6/9/2007 at 18:31 (6,164 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia) |
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Love that RED agitator! | ||
| Post# 215203 , Reply# 71 6/10/2007 at 02:44 (6,164 days old) by victoriapark (Rosebery) | ||
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connection with Simpson Leon, In your earlier thread about your beautiful push button Simpson I referred to a late 1950's fully auto Simpson that looked like a Hotpoint but had a similar agitator to your Simpson and Robert's Wizard described above. Another connection with Beam/Franklin? Greg | ||
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Post# 215220 , Reply# 72 6/10/2007 at 09:14 (6,164 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Post# 215450 , Reply# 74 6/11/2007 at 13:47 (6,163 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 215680 , Reply# 75 6/12/2007 at 19:02 (6,161 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY) | ||
A "HOT " spray rinse! Ah the luxuries of old 
Imagine adding more HOT water later in the wash. How absolutely decadent!!! Any chance I could get the DVD or "montage video" referred early on in the post. We had a Western Auto right up on the main street in our neighborhood and your s truly was in there drooling at the Wizards all the time. When The Tower Frigi was dying, I asked my mother, the Uber-Frigidaire snob, if we could please get a Wizard right up at Western Auto...it's so close, and blah blah blah. And she said: Are you kidding me? Who ever heard of a Wizard. What kind of a silly name is that for a washing machine. And Furthermore, who ever heard of buying a washing machine at Western Auto. Ah, Mothers !!!! I was do deprived; it was Frigidaire or die. Happy to pay for the DVD or video. Thank You. | ||
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Post# 216344 , Reply# 76 6/15/2007 at 21:31 (6,158 days old) by sambootoo (Moody, AL) |
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Interesting! Like the others, I'd like to see video of this in action. I've only seen a few Wizards in my entire life even thought there was a Western Auto in my home town. | ||
| Post# 216971 , Reply# 77 6/19/2007 at 17:07 (6,155 days old) by lightedcontrols () | ||
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Robert! I have two dryers that match this washer. (You'll have a set!!!) If you would like one of them, just let me know. Mark | ||
| Post# 216999 , Reply# 78 6/19/2007 at 21:27 (6,154 days old) by goprog () | ||
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"I had to fight with the poor dear for the past three days trying to get the supports that are welded to the outer tub that hold the pump in place to stop leaking. There were pin holes underneath the welds at the bottom of the outer tub, oy!" So how did you do it? | ||
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Post# 217005 , Reply# 79 6/19/2007 at 22:05 (6,154 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I have two dryers that match this washer. (You'll have a set!!!) Mark that is such a sweet offer, thank you so much. I'm at max capacity in the basement though, so the rule is anytime something new comes in something else has to go and I can't dream of parting with anything else right now. So how did you do it? Oh I'll tell that nightmare story tomorrow. | ||
| Post# 217039 , Reply# 80 6/20/2007 at 00:31 (6,154 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Hot rinse | ||
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Post# 217062 , Reply# 81 6/20/2007 at 01:39 (6,154 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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| Post# 217066 , Reply# 82 6/20/2007 at 02:01 (6,154 days old) by goprog () | ||
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Is that what Little Miss Muffet was eating??? ;) | ||
| Post# 217067 , Reply# 83 6/20/2007 at 02:03 (6,154 days old) by goprog () | ||
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(Classy machines) | ||
| Post# 217119 , Reply# 84 6/20/2007 at 09:36 (6,154 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ) | ||
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Ahhh | ||
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Post# 217150 , Reply# 85 6/20/2007 at 13:46 (6,154 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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Fake PHOTO Fake PHOTO
Those machines are no longer in those positions!! FAKE! What is this pump too?? CLICK HERE TO GO TO jetcone's LINK on eBay | ||
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Post# 217158 , Reply# 86 6/20/2007 at 14:20 (6,154 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Hot water rinse
I recall that some Siemens washers offered a final, heated rinse - about 60° (?!?) for quite a while. It was supposed to dramatically increase extraction, reduce drying time and reduce wrinkling. I imagine that was the same general idea here; tho' hasn't someone, I believe Launderess, mentioned that you don't want to close up the pores on clothes washed in cotton with a cold rinse - it tends to trap the soap? I, too, am really curious how those pin-holes got fixed. Knowing Robert, I bet it will turn out to be something so clear and logical I'll be disgusted I didn't think of it... | ||
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Post# 217159 , Reply# 87 6/20/2007 at 14:21 (6,154 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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...I meant | ||
| Post# 217475 , Reply# 88 6/22/2007 at 03:40 (6,152 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA) | ||
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Post# 217485 , Reply# 89 6/22/2007 at 06:33 (6,152 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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How Divine darling! | ||
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Post# 217499 , Reply# 90 6/22/2007 at 08:25 (6,152 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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| Post# 219837 , Reply# 91 7/1/2007 at 11:28 (6,143 days old) by goprog () | ||
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Still waiting to hear the nightmare story... | ||
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Post# 219925 , Reply# 92 7/1/2007 at 21:57 (6,142 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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