Thread Number: 12317
KitchenAid Superba stops and heats |
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Post# 216627 , Reply# 1   6/17/2007 at 19:22 (6,129 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 216650 , Reply# 3   6/17/2007 at 23:30 (6,129 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 216716 , Reply# 5   6/18/2007 at 11:37 (6,128 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)   |   | |
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Post# 216728 , Reply# 6   6/18/2007 at 13:45 (6,128 days old) by tony ()   |   | |
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Haven't tested the thermostat yet, but that sounds like a good place to start. Thanks. |
Post# 217050 , Reply# 11   6/20/2007 at 00:50 (6,127 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Post# 217080 , Reply# 12   6/20/2007 at 05:08 (6,126 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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Rarely if ever use the heated drying function on my lowly Kenmore 18" dw and have no problems with drying. Use Ecover rinse aid and when I open the machine next day, items are dry. There may be the odd wet top of a glass or item that wasn't loaded properly to drain, but that is my fault. Only time one uses heated drying is when items are needed in a hurry (read forgot to run the dw the night before), or during very humid weather and the house is like a sauna. |
Post# 217093 , Reply# 14   6/20/2007 at 08:25 (6,126 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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They were fascinating! As for the European machines not having a heated dry - this is not entirely true, some do. There is another factor at hand here which the earliest US dishwashers also had to deal with. The heating element is not and has not been a loop in the bottom of the tub for many decades. It is a high efficiency flow through heater which, obviously, only heats the water and can't be used to heat the air. Some machines use forced air drying with an extra air-heating element, most - like mine - just use forced air. Seeing as how the last rinse is done at about 175-180°F, it is not hard to see why things come out dry. And yes, European machines are built in the specific assumption that a rinse agent will be used. Of course, some things just plain stack so that there is going to be enough water left in them at the end of the cycle that nothing will dry it. I'd rather have the extra few inches of space in the machine, the longetivity and reliability and not have to worry about that stupid "top rack only" nonsense. |
Post# 219767 , Reply# 16   7/1/2007 at 03:52 (6,115 days old) by spankomatic (Ukiah,CA)   |   | |
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Where there is smoke there if fire! Need to find out what is smoking. Look for melted wires or parts for safety. I agree keep it as long as you can. They don't make them that good anymore. I have always liked the racks for loading on those models. They have some pretty good appliance repair guys down there in Santa Cruz. Jim |
Post# 219912 , Reply# 18   7/1/2007 at 20:15 (6,115 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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This is all really good information since I'll be picking up that KDS19 from Patrick in a couple of weeks. I know he said the heater fan no longer works in it and will need to be repaired or replaced. I think otherwise he said it works fine. I hope it will be a good machine for us in the new house. I certainly can't wait to have it!!!
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Post# 220244 , Reply# 20   7/3/2007 at 09:08 (6,113 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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WOW! You guys really do know your stuff! Another member (Patrick) of the club is GIVING me this dishwasher and I couldn't be more excited about it. He's going to help me check the machine over and maybe fix the drying fan that he says is no longer working. I think otherwise he said the machine works just fine. Insulation is a very good idea and I'll definetly add some when installing since it will be up next to an exterior wall of a very old house. :-) Tony, my partner, was really wanting all new appliances and i think he liked GE stuff. I stomach kind of churned a little bit at the thought of a plastic GE. Everything has to be black too (no problem there). Luckily, this Hobart appeared and spared me from spending money on a piece of crap!!! It will be nice to actually hear water spraying really hard again! Who cares if it's a little louder right? Jon |
Post# 220279 , Reply# 21   7/3/2007 at 11:28 (6,113 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon)   |   | |
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Jon, The KD19 works like what has been described above. It seems in good shape and runs through the cycle with it's rapid advance timer and does all it's supposed to as far as I can tell. The motor is louder than what I have heard before so am not sure if this means it could fail in the future or just needs a little oiling. It may even run quieter with the machine installed and the front lower panel in place. The only thing that doesn't work is the little fan that is supposed to blow non-heated air into the tub for drying. The squirrel cage barely turns by hand so I think the fan motor bearings are in bad shape. This is an easy replacement and if the wiring supports it, I suppose you could replace it with a heated fan. Maybe someone else can elaborate on whether any additional wiring is necessary on the heated versus the non heated fans and if the timer plays a role in telling the heater when to turn on and off. I took the pump impeller apart from inside the machine and cleaned it out and everything seems to run well although I didn't wash any dirty dishes in it so can't give a performance report. Anyway I'm sure you'll have fun with it and will learn a lot along the way. Feel free to ask any other questions you may have. Patrick |
Post# 220332 , Reply# 22   7/3/2007 at 15:25 (6,113 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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I think it'll be great! I actually don't use heated dry in my current dishwasher so I'm not too concerned about having heated dry in this one. I can find another drying fan for this one and swap them out I'm sure. I may try to find a replacement motor for it just in case sometime in the future it needs it. Never hurts to have parts on hand. So...do you really have a 1-18 you need to cut loose? hehe Jon |
Post# 220341 , Reply# 23   7/3/2007 at 15:59 (6,113 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR)   |   | |
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Post# 220632 , Reply# 25   7/4/2007 at 13:12 (6,112 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)   |   | |
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Personally, I like the idea of just replacing the blower with one that works or repairing it. I don't use heated drying in my current dishwasher and I probably won't use it in this one. I've found, at least in my Kenmore, that the heated drying damages plastic parts such as the flatware basket, etc. However, the idea having the drying fan is very nice. So basically...having the machine function as it would normally. Would probably be easier that way too. Steve, do you have those non-heated fans for the KDS19? If so, perhaps I could buy one from you? Jon |