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Post# 221788   7/10/2007 at 10:54 (6,128 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

I imagine this is pretty rare now to find one of these with the purple switches and timeline? Shame there is no internal shot. I still have mine in the shed waiting to be fitted in to the kitchen (not as old as this model), and keep contemplating selling it and then worry that I will not get hold of another. There seem to be quite a few of these around at the moment if any UK guys are interested. Have seen 3 on Ebay in the last month.





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Post# 221790 , Reply# 1   7/10/2007 at 11:16 (6,128 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hoovermatic!-I was thinking the same thing myself when i came across this earlier, very rare but quite a few have popped up this month.

My brothers g.fs, grandmother had one of these *woo that was complicated* And alongside it she had a servis supertwin! lovely machines.

I remember standing on a chair so i could see all the display and in the drum properly! Very nice machine that she swore by.

An excellent machine for the winner!

Darren


Post# 221810 , Reply# 2   7/10/2007 at 15:47 (6,128 days old) by platinum6 ()        

Wow! That machine looks so immaculate! It should be a museum piece or better still, it should be on display at Hotpoint's HQ lol!

I hope it goes go a good home, if I had a Top-Loader, this would be it!



Post# 221825 , Reply# 3   7/10/2007 at 17:25 (6,128 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Same machine as my grandma had until I was 5 or 6, used as a farm machine for 30 years and only broke down once apparently.

This machine was on TV this morning, was on one of the houses on Homes Under The Hammer!

Jon


Post# 221882 , Reply# 4   7/10/2007 at 22:51 (6,128 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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That is a very stylish look - what era is this machine from? Would this have had the spiral agitator and filter-stream?


Post# 221893 , Reply# 5   7/11/2007 at 02:28 (6,128 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        

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i dunno what era this would be from but yes it would have the spiral agitator and filter stream, i don't think British hotpoint made any top loading auto's without the spiral agi and the filter flow. I've heard bad and good things about these machines but i love the way they look and the fact that they can heat up to 85 degrees like a front loader and spin up to 1050rpms, very cool.

Post# 221897 , Reply# 6   7/11/2007 at 04:13 (6,128 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Hotpoint TL Automatic

Hi, all there!
Yes, I remember this machine in the house of my aunty's mother in Lymington near Southhampton/UK which was later replaced by the Modell 9403 after the other one was broken, two years before Mrs. Herrington died at the age of 96!
I promised myself to get one of those fabulous machines someday...
Sweet memories....
They came back while I was standing in front of MY 9405 in the basement, watching her doing the final rinse and spin of our black wash-load yesterday afternoon....smile!

But, Matthew, tell me, what bad things have you heard of that machine, actually? My aunty's mother was very content with these machines as well as I am!

And, gansky1, yes, it has the spiral agitator with the filter clean tray as well as mine has, like the more modern twinnies (like my T 9414) of Hotpoint have, too!

But...none of these are made any longer.....

Ralf


Post# 221980 , Reply# 7   7/11/2007 at 12:43 (6,127 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

Jon - well spotted on Homes Under The Hammer. It was difficult to see anything from within all that pine cladding!!!

I think that was even older than this model though. I remember my friend's mum getting one of these when I was in junior school so that would make it 1975/1976 but no doubt an expert would be able to pin the date down. If it was 1975 then 25 years later I visited a friends flat when living in Luton and she had a FL Hotpoint with the purple door and buttons and was still in working order. Only problem was that the door had to be held closed with a chair but it still worked!


Post# 222014 , Reply# 8   7/11/2007 at 17:27 (6,127 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hotpoint FilterFlow with SpiraClean

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Now thats a classic filterflow, quite a few of the last model 9604/5 around but not many of these...the design never really changed in all the years of production from 1963 to the 1990`s, the 1509 being 1974 model, and having the 3kw heater and the 1050rpm spin, (I know, I really hoped it could have beaten the 1140 you know what!!!)

Its gotten such a deep throaty roar to it and when that spin brake "Bangs" you feel like you have been shot, heres the 1978 version, and a little vid I found, I was using it at the sink and pumpin the water out when I found a position on the timer that it doesnt do normally, it started to wash and filterflow with a minute amount of water in the tub, it does give you the effect though..


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Post# 222017 , Reply# 9   7/11/2007 at 17:38 (6,127 days old) by liamwa ()        

This is basically the same as a GE Filter Flo right? Except I don't think the GEs spun at over 1000rpm. Does anyone here know how fast the domestic GE FFs spin at?

Thanks.
Liam


Post# 222023 , Reply# 10   7/11/2007 at 18:12 (6,127 days old) by brettsomers ()        

very intriguing look, kinda like lab equipment. that is some fierce agitation. the knobs look clear/silver in the ebay listing? wish they looked like that here (US).

Post# 222044 , Reply# 11   7/11/2007 at 19:59 (6,127 days old) by mattywashboy (Perth, Western Australia)        
Final Spin Vid

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Heres a link to the final spin 1050 on one of these machines, this was made by one of our members Hoover3060. I love how it takes its time to get up to speed, it brakes rather quickly as well. It sounds quite noisy tho, but then again, i like noisy machines.
BTW, i've heard these can tangle really easily and didn't receive the best reception when introduced due to their rough agitation, i got these views from Garden Web and i think someone mentioned something in a previous thread here. I wouldn't mind tho, i'd still have one for sure lol.
Matt


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Post# 222048 , Reply# 12   7/11/2007 at 20:21 (6,127 days old) by rolls_rapide (.)        

One of my aunts had a Servis top loader. When that broke down in the late 80's, she had to get a Hotpoint toploader, as she had a bad back, and Servis had stopped making toploaders.

She mentioned to my mum that she thought the Hotpoint was too rough on the towels; much more so than the previous machine.


Post# 222055 , Reply# 13   7/11/2007 at 20:55 (6,127 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hello Mates!

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Matty, so that's where our high speed spins went--across the pond. Does the Hotpoint drain first before spinning, or did you set it up? What a crazy ride that spin was. WOW!

Mike, you want to get freaked right out? I DID THE SAME THING TODAY playing with your machine's GE cousin. The spot was just before the spin , but then discovered could achieve the same efect by selecting the mini-basket water level while leaving the basket out. It was wild but I do prefer your Spirilator to the Ramp agitator. Thanks for making that video; it was grand.

Hoove--that baby looks almost modern with the lid and all, almost like a dark see-thru on the new Oasis.

Boy! how we'd love to have one of those over here! Ours haven't spun like that since the 50's.

Mike


Post# 222113 , Reply# 14   7/12/2007 at 01:55 (6,127 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Mike!

Yes, Mike, the machine first drains quite thorough, letting drip-dry the items before it starts spinning with a loud "clang!"
I thought for long time that US-machines never spun faster than 500-750 rpm until I became a member here...!

Rolls_Rapide, I never had any trouble with the wash-action neither in the TL nor in my twinnie and I use this type of agitator for 18 years now!

Ralf


Post# 222284 , Reply# 15   7/13/2007 at 03:53 (6,126 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Agitation & Strokes

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Its true the Hotpoint did had a faster stroke and agitation than the Servis, but as to being extra rough, thats not what I`ve heard and seen from using them, the Servis had the widest sweep in the industry at 210 arc rather like the Speed Queen,

Thats the trouble with those forums, one comment about a machine and it sticks, thats one forum I`ve never signed up to...perhaps I should for an unbiased viewpoint...

The Servis only had a 650 spin and was dearer than the Hotpoint, and Hotpoints machines did tend to just keep going and where simple to repair,

Now a hotpoint with a mini basket, Hhmmmm

Happy Spiralating, Mike



Post# 222361 , Reply# 16   7/13/2007 at 11:19 (6,125 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        

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Wondering if a Hotpoint Spirilator will fit the shaft of a GE.

The Easy Spirilator will "snug"right over the rubber but the upper shaft is exposed and I'm afraid water might seep in and cause harm, but it's fun to watch the Easy Agi work in short fast strokes. It's very gentle.

Having a bit o' over-the-pond envy learning how your versions of our machines are more versatile and interesting--truly washer lovers' delights.


Post# 222396 , Reply# 17   7/13/2007 at 15:04 (6,125 days old) by fa_f3_20 ()        

The start of the spin sounds like a Tardis...


Post# 222950 , Reply# 18   7/16/2007 at 00:56 (6,123 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Hotpoint Agi Arm

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Hi Mike

I was wondering the same, this is what the agi post looks like, what is the GE like??

Cheers, Mike


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Post# 223065 , Reply# 19   7/16/2007 at 12:31 (6,122 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hard to tell for certain, Mike

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but the ridged shaft looks like the GE's --no screw cap right? You just slide it down snug.

Love your pix:

the one entitled "Filling" shows water currents. Does your beauty agitate during the fill???!!!! How cool.
then the icon on the dail showing a shower. Is that a spray rinse cycle or just the usual rinse???

What a nice machine. We have no such Hotpoints here anymore. What year is the newer of the two?

Cheers as you say--AND BEERS TOO !!

Mike


Post# 223124 , Reply# 20   7/16/2007 at 18:47 (6,122 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Agitating during fill

Hotpoint Top Loaders were not supposed to agitate during the fill cycle - however when the 9-series 'New Generation LE' model was introduced, it incorporated a new timer, based on the concurrent front loader design (where agitation during the fill cycle was of course standard). The timers were supposed to be modified during the serivce-installation check (by modifying a shorting link), and our 9604 had this modification made shortly after it was installed. I imagine many machines failed to have this modification made.

The spray symbol was Hotpoint's standard graphic for rinse cycles - not specifically for 'spray rinses' in the US top loader sense. In fact Hotpoint top loaders did not spray rinse into the inner tub at all; instead water was allowed into the outer tub during the wash pump out, and the first spin to remove suds. The standard Hotpoint cycle after the1502 was as follows:

- Fill
- Agitate approx 1-3 min depending on total wash time selected (called 'prewash')
- Heat (to 40, 50, 60 or 85C as selected - potentially up to five hours on a 85C from cold fill - shorter with hot fill obviously...)
- Wash for the remained of the selected time (upto 12 mins)
- pump out for 40 secs, and then adding cold in and pumping out for an additional 2 mins
- fill for static rinse (agitate for c.1 min on 9-series models, no agitation on earlier models)
- pump out
- first spin (2min 40 secs), then tub flush for 40 secs, with spin motor switched off, allowing the tub to coast while it fill to the selected level
- agitated rinse (2 mins)
- pump out
- final spin (5min 20secs)

I think the 1500, 1501 and 1502 did not have the static rinse section...I could be wrong

On the two-pole motor machine 'short spin' (called slow spin on the 9-series models) involved the spin action running for only 40 sec, allowing the tub to build up some speed (which would depend on the load weight), before cutting out and allowing the tub to coast slowly to a halt. Similarly the so-called 'gentle action' on these later machines involved periodic agitation rather than slower speed. I don't know if the 1500-1504 machines with the four-pole motor actually ran a proper slow spin - perhaps Keith, who has a 1501, knows?

From the 1509/10 onwards the machine could be paused on the final rinse (to allow conditioner to be added, or to suspend creasable fabrics without spinning. On the 1509-15792 this involved pausing after the final rinse fill, but the 9-series allowed 1 minute of agitation either side of the pause. This is the point at which one can get one of these machines to agitate on empty or any level of fill (like Mike's video).

The TL advertised on ebay was a 1509/05 from somewhere between Dec 77 and June 78 - one can tell as the drain panel is in the later, higher position.

D.


Post# 223180 , Reply# 21   7/16/2007 at 22:24 (6,122 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
I love this stuff and I live for it. Thank You so much

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Thank you so much, again !

One of the unsung thrills of the Unimatic and other early Frigidaires is that you can get them to agitate in a cupful of water or 10 gallons! And they are so much fun slapping and bouncing the water all over when you fill them just to the rim of the bottom fin, once called "The Energy ring" --I think.


Post# 223230 , Reply# 22   7/17/2007 at 03:22 (6,122 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Agitation during filling

Hi, David!
Do you know how to stop the following?
You're right to say, that the timer makes the machine agitate while filling, which is actually not too bad as it helps to soak the dry washing better, avoiding a flowting of some items and helping also to dissolve the powder already during the filling period. But what I do not like is: if I put the dialer to the recommended number, say progamme 5 for example, the machine starts filling and agitating three times with pauses in between and the timer is marching further during that process. Thus ending in that when filling is completed the timer has reached already the point where it stops until the wash-water has reached the correct temperature WITHOUT an adequate final mixing of powder and water and WITHOUT any "pre-wash"!
So what has to be done to change the timer inside to correct the programme?

Ralf


Post# 223270 , Reply# 23   7/17/2007 at 08:58 (6,121 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Hi Ralf

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So does it then proceed to the main wash with all that nice hot water, or drain it out unmixed? Funny how old timers have minds of their own.

Thanks for the info on the draining. Growing up on Frigidaires with their dramatic water-throw, I like neutrals drains quite a lot, too. I guess I like every thing!

Mike


Post# 223318 , Reply# 24   7/17/2007 at 12:29 (6,121 days old) by liberator1509 (Ireland)        
Timer

Hi Ralf

I'm not sure alas - I think Mark has a service manual for the 9-series washers and might be able to look up to see if the alteration is listed. Otherwise an email to Hotpoint might get you the answer - ok the latter is a VERY long shot since Merloni took over - they have no interest in pre-Merloni models, so probably won't know...

Any former Hotpoint service engineers out there?

D


Post# 223479 , Reply# 25   7/18/2007 at 01:35 (6,121 days old) by lederstiefel1 ()        
Hi MIke, hi David!

Thanks a lot for your help! I will try twin-tub man at Ebay because I have his phone-number (hope to get a new Hotpoint TT from him once I will have organized a transport which is unexpectedly difficult, you wouldn't believe it, as mine is leaking at the spinner bellow seal and I do not know how to fix it or think I do not know and although I've already bought a new bellow seal from the UK via Ebay! lol)

Next problem I have is that there is no engineer in Germany for Hotpoint as this brand is commonly unknown here and only the front-loaders were available (once these TL-machines were still built) by one single seller near Frankfurt/Main. So, nobody will have a clou here of these appliances...

David, could you give Mark a hint to contact me via my e-mail, actually I do not know what Mark's nickname is here in the forum at the very moment as most of us don't sign with their names - whyever?!?

Cheers, Ralf



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