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Thread Number: 12898
Calypso, Repair in Progress |
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| Post# 224192 , Reply# 1 7/21/2007 at 10:20 (6,114 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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Here is a pic, the entire thing moves. 
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| Post# 224308 , Reply# 2 7/21/2007 at 17:39 (6,113 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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That u-joint looks like it's fine. The boot isn't torn or damaged. | ||
Post# 224396 , Reply# 3 7/22/2007 at 01:48 (6,113 days old) by dadoes  (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Maybe the u-joint is OK and the knocking noise during high-speed spin is from the broken shock you mentioned previously? Have you gotten the front panel off for a look? I believe you can also see the shocks from beneath. Try to get out as much water as possible. Or take off the back panel and remove the lower hose from the sump, with a pan ready to catch the water out of the sump. Lay the machine on its back, prop it up with something if possible to keep the sump end lower to help prevent any residual water from running out from the tub ring openings or wherever. Remove the bottom panel and have a look.
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| Post# 224531 , Reply# 4 7/22/2007 at 15:59 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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pics of what's going on I found when I had it on it's back that one of the struts was leaking oil. Also, the shocks on the front bottom are very greasy with a lot of loose grease. 
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| Post# 224532 , Reply# 5 7/22/2007 at 16:00 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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another Look at my feet!!!! Also notice the orange vintage floor in my garage. 
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| Post# 224533 , Reply# 6 7/22/2007 at 16:01 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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And another 
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| Post# 224534 , Reply# 7 7/22/2007 at 16:02 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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bottom plate Look, no rust 
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| Post# 224536 , Reply# 8 7/22/2007 at 16:10 (6,112 days old) by vintagesearch () | ||
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wo its pretty much intact no rust grime or anything still looks new wow! | ||
| Post# 224539 , Reply# 9 7/22/2007 at 16:25 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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I forgot to ask, does the balance ring supposed to have water in it? | ||
| Post# 224540 , Reply# 10 7/22/2007 at 16:26 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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on the next to the last pic, if you look under the strut on the left, you can see the small puddle of oil | ||
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Post# 224612 , Reply# 12 7/22/2007 at 22:40 (6,112 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 224638 , Reply# 13 7/23/2007 at 06:42 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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video I just posted a video of the problem. The lighting is not great. If there are any angles or changes anyone would like to make, please let me know. CLICK HERE TO GO TO jaxsunst's LINK | ||
| Post# 224649 , Reply# 14 7/23/2007 at 09:16 (6,112 days old) by bundtboy () | ||
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inner and outter tubs rubbing Your tubs are rubbing. I don't know how to explain why, but they are. Is the main wash tub loose on it's hub? B | ||
| Post# 224667 , Reply# 15 7/23/2007 at 10:40 (6,112 days old) by bundtboy () | ||
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bent ...could the tub be actually bent at the hub? Just a guess - but I can see in the video that the inner tub is not concentric to the lid opening. It looks like it's in crooked - or possibly bent. B | ||
| Post# 224668 , Reply# 16 7/23/2007 at 10:41 (6,112 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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I found where it is rubbing, it is the balance ring rubbing against the outer ring. I must have done something wrong reassembling them. | ||
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Post# 224708 , Reply# 17 7/23/2007 at 15:02 (6,112 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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You haven't yet removed the inner basket or changed the u-joint, correct? Is there fluid in the balance ring? Mine has never had an OOB situation (perhaps I should force one to see what happens?). Seems odd it gets up to high speed before triggering an OOB, shouldn't that happen much sooner (if the load is really OOB)? There's no OOB switch in terms of sensing tub oscillations, if I understand correctly it works via motor current. Something is apparently putting the motor under more of a load that normal. | ||
| Post# 224712 , Reply# 18 7/23/2007 at 16:09 (6,111 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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Yes, the balance ring has some kind of fluid in it. Judging by holding it, it is about half full. No, the u-joint looked new, so I put the new grommets, seals, leveler, and inner wash dome in. | ||
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Post# 224968 , Reply# 21 7/24/2007 at 17:01 (6,110 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 225015 , Reply# 23 7/24/2007 at 20:55 (6,110 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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The balance ring has a leak. I took it back out, and was moving it around, and it literally sprayed liquid out of a hole. | ||
| Post# 225021 , Reply# 24 7/24/2007 at 21:22 (6,110 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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When I removed it the first time, I noticed that it was wet, and thought that it just must be some residual water. Sitting on it's side in my garage, it has made quite the puddle. Found one on Ebay for $15 | ||
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Post# 225059 , Reply# 25 7/24/2007 at 22:46 (6,110 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 225134 , Reply# 26 7/25/2007 at 10:27 (6,110 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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There ya go!! Good find Jackson! Probably had a small leak all along....... | ||
| Post# 225572 , Reply# 27 7/27/2007 at 06:25 (6,108 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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New ring should be here middle of next week. I will do laundry in the DD this week and polish and make the Calypso all pretty. | ||
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Post# 226884 , Reply# 28 8/1/2007 at 22:12 (6,102 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 226888 , Reply# 29 8/1/2007 at 22:23 (6,102 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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Post# 227058 , Reply# 31 8/2/2007 at 15:06 (6,102 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I don't yet have any details. The ad description only says "Calypso washer & dryer." The garage sale is listed for Friday only. I called, left a message & number, advised that I work very late into the night and can't get to the sale early for a fair chance at the pair. Remains to be seen if anyone calls back.
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Post# 227089 , Reply# 32 8/2/2007 at 16:02 (6,101 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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| Post# 227176 , Reply# 33 8/2/2007 at 21:33 (6,101 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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Balance ring arrived today. Pics of maiden wash will be posted soon. | ||
| Post# 227189 , Reply# 34 8/2/2007 at 22:09 (6,101 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Hopefully it solved the knocking problem?? Got my fingers crossed for you. | ||
| Post# 227380 , Reply# 38 8/3/2007 at 19:00 (6,100 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Could be right...tub could be out of round. Or the shaft it rotates on could be bent. Might explain why the machine shows so little use? Maybe never worked right at all for the previous owners. | ||
| Post# 227522 , Reply# 39 8/4/2007 at 08:42 (6,100 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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| Post# 228006 , Reply# 40 8/6/2007 at 04:28 (6,098 days old) by bpetersxx (laf in on the banks of the Wabash River) | ||
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| Post# 228017 , Reply# 41 8/6/2007 at 06:57 (6,098 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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Could that have something to do with the fact that I couldn't get the spanner nut out because the shaft it is connected to turned with it when I tried to use a mallet? | ||
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Post# 228133 , Reply# 43 8/6/2007 at 18:06 (6,097 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 228394 , Reply# 45 8/7/2007 at 20:44 (6,096 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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I may try lifting the nut, thanks. Right now, the Calypso is going to have to be shelved until my garage drops below 90 degrees. That will give me an opportunity to do some real research. i will probably get back into it in a couple of weeks. | ||
| Post# 228775 , Reply# 46 8/8/2007 at 20:19 (6,095 days old) by funguy10 () | ||
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That's why you should never have bought a Kenmore Crapypso in the first place and just stuck with the durable DD Kenmore. | ||
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Post# 231212 , Reply# 47 8/17/2007 at 19:04 (6,086 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 231279 , Reply# 50 8/18/2007 at 01:22 (6,086 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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It looks like the basket is loose. | ||
| Post# 231308 , Reply# 51 8/18/2007 at 08:16 (6,086 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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It is supposed to start cooling down some, so I can get into the garage and work without melting. I am going to take it apart and replace the u-joint and look at the block, and probably replace it too. | ||
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Post# 231546 , Reply# 53 8/19/2007 at 13:36 (6,085 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 231652 , Reply# 54 8/19/2007 at 21:13 (6,084 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Glenn - when you were whacking the spanner nut, did the whole works turn, as Jackson describes when he tried to remove his? Or does it stay put like I think mine did when I changed mine out. (I can't fully remember from when I did it.) | ||
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Post# 231659 , Reply# 55 8/19/2007 at 21:28 (6,084 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 231710 , Reply# 56 8/20/2007 at 08:32 (6,084 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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That's what I thought I remembered!!! Thanks for confirming. At least now we know that Jackson has a problem with the machine and hopefully we can help figure out how to fix it! | ||
| Post# 232161 , Reply# 59 8/22/2007 at 08:13 (6,082 days old) by bundtboy () | ||
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very interesting rubber mallet it is then. Fool that I am, I bet I'd plug my ears and hit it with something harder.. could you put a matt in the tub to dampen the vibrations then give it a go? Good luck. b | ||
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Post# 232204 , Reply# 60 8/22/2007 at 13:44 (6,082 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 232225 , Reply# 61 8/22/2007 at 14:21 (6,082 days old) by bundtboy () | ||
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5 lb sledge That's exactly what I use. Mine was my grandfathers sledge hammer. I hate it when crap doesn't come apart like it should. b | ||
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Post# 232657 , Reply# 62 8/24/2007 at 17:27 (6,079 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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I think I know what is Jackson's problem. His basket/hub is defective. The basket has slipped off-kilter on the hub, which is why it wobbles so badly during spin, and also why the entire u-joint is slipping when he tries to get the spanner nut loose. I'm having the same problem now on Calypso #2 after getting it reassembled with the new u-joint. It was OK ... until I ran a test spin. The tub suddenly started wobbling/oscillating wildly at max spin speed, and now the basket is lopped off-center in the tub when stopped. Notice the balance ring is exposed on the left side of this pic and not on the right, and there's a gap on the right at the wash plate gasket. 
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| Post# 232689 , Reply# 63 8/24/2007 at 21:36 (6,079 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Sounds kosher to me! What do you do to fix it? Is that a basket replacement or u-joint replacement? Or something else. | ||
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Post# 232760 , Reply# 64 8/25/2007 at 12:19 (6,079 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Basket replacement. The hub is not separately replaceable AFAIK and U-joint has nothing directly to do with the problem. I disassembled my machine again yesterday evening. The basket is definitely loose from the hub, not exactly free-spinning but enough so that I can wriggle/turn it separately from the hub/U-joint fairly easily. Can't get the spanner nut loose as the entire hub turns (the brake isn't strong enough to hold it), so I'll have to cut the spanner nut off.
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| Post# 232780 , Reply# 65 8/25/2007 at 13:08 (6,079 days old) by andrewinorlando () | ||
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Glenn - any idea how something like that happens? When you first got the machine, it was fine, wasn't it? I'm just curious, and like learning more about this machine, just in case!! | ||
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Post# 232796 , Reply# 66 8/25/2007 at 13:58 (6,079 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Andrew, I can't say about the machine initially being "fine" as I didn't run it prior to disassembly for clean-up. I didn't expect to find the u-joint bad, and it was ... the basket hub had surface corrosion but otherwise looked to be intact. If I had done only superficial clean-up without disassembly, who knows how long it would have run until the u-joint froze completely ... or if the basket would have eventually separated from the hub or not. It *had* to been on the verge of failure, as I couldn't have whacked the spanner nut *that* hard when reassembling to cause the trouble. I'm a weakling, LOL, I've been sitting at a desk job for 8 years and I don't do gyms! The u-joint kit instructions say there are two kinds of basket hubs used, and each takes a specific spanner nut. The hub and spanner number have embossed part numbers. There's a chart in the instructions for matching them. One new spanner nut is included with the u-joint kit, and it was the right one to match my basket hub. Further, there are different tightening instructions for the two hub/nut combos. Mine instructed to tighten the nut finger-tight, then another 1 to 1-1/4 turns with the wrench -- 135 ft/lb torque. Interestingly, it says if replacing the basket at the same time, tighten it ANOTHER 1 to 1-1/4 (or 1-1/2?) turns! This 2nd machine that looks cosmetically nearly pristine has turned into a serious headache. I suppose if one decides to break into a Calypso mechanism, one must be prepared to go the distance. Since the flange of the spanner nut protrudes below the hub threads into the u-joint, I may end up damaging the new u-joint when cutting the nut off and have to get another one. A loose hub must be what is Jackson's trouble. Maybe not loose to the same degree, but with the same symptoms -- excessive oscillation during spin and the u-joint/hub turning when attempting to remove the spanner nut. | ||
| Post# 232891 , Reply# 67 8/26/2007 at 07:44 (6,078 days old) by jaxsunst () | ||
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Good information, thanks. I will tear into it again when the heat index drops below 100. | ||
| Post# 234448 , Reply# 68 9/1/2007 at 14:35 (6,072 days old) by s2jrston () | ||
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How did you remove the inner wash plate How did you guys remove the inner wash plate? | ||
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Post# 234465 , Reply# 69 9/1/2007 at 17:09 (6,071 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Loosen and remove the outer wash dome by using two flat-blade screwdrivers 90° apart in two of the four slots provided.  The inner wash plate is the brown cone. Sort of a misnomer, but that's what it's called. On the original design it's white translucent plastic instead of brown. Remove the six 3/8" hex bolts that are exposed. When replacing the six bolts, they must be tightened in a specific pattern which is noted by numbers 1 thru 6 embossed on the inner wash plate dome.  Lift off the outer wash plate.  Lift off the inner wash plate. The leveler probably will "stick" to the bearing inside and come off with it. This will expose the nutate shaft protruding out of the spin drive tube and basket hub (not shown here). The nutate shaft fits into the splined opening on the leveler.  Remove the spanner nut, which holds the u-joint to the hub inside the basket. The u-joint then lifts off the hub, and the basket lifts off the spin drive shaft. 
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