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Post# 235187   9/6/2007 at 05:43 (6,075 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Hey guys,

I´m looking for a new washing-machine because the Lavamat78800 is dieing :)
I already have been talking to a repairman and recommened, I should buy a commercial frontloadwasher, because I´m washing 14 loads for 4 persons per week.
Do they wash and rinse well?
He said they were as good as the comemrcials from Miele, is that right?
Whast is the outer wash-tub made of?
And finnally:
What do they cost in the USA`?


Thanks.
n!n0





Post# 235188 , Reply# 1   9/6/2007 at 05:45 (6,075 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        
The Offer

here is the link to the machine, he recommened to me.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO lavamat78800's LINK on eBay


Post# 235262 , Reply# 2   9/6/2007 at 14:46 (6,074 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
Never trust a repair mans new machine reckonings!

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Unless he knows Seamus lol! No get a Miele! A Miele machine is far superior to one of those. Commercial yes, built like a domestic Miele- no. There are far too many cowboy traders in the UK Who like to write off good machines needing brushes and basic parts costing little money for new machines of lesser quality (they often like to sell Candy, Hoover and Hotpoint/Indesit and BOL Gorenje all of which are bottom of the league in reliability and build quality) . Too many people are gullible to this in the UK. These cowboys have a hate towards Miele as they like to cash in on peoples Misery when the new machines go wrong even though they recommended them in the first place. Also the fact he is recommended a machine off ebay says a bit too. He suspects he might be out to see it soon, costing you more money. Save money in the long run and have quality. Immer Besser! Rob

Post# 235270 , Reply# 3   9/6/2007 at 15:33 (6,074 days old) by spiceman1957 ()        
Re: The Offer

I know this is a Whirpool washer, but this looks like my
Sears Elite H4 washer. Are Sears and Whirpool appliances mfg. by the same company?


Post# 235272 , Reply# 4   9/6/2007 at 15:55 (6,074 days old) by sparkcymru ()        
Cowboy?

Rob, I recommend and Sell Hoover Candy washing machines and the Odd Indesit dryer to my customers. Why? Because the majority of people can't afford more than £250-£300 for a washing machine and a new Miele is out of reach from the budget. I've seen many a Candy machine running 5 times a day. Six in my cousins house day in day out. Doesn't matter a Miele may be a long term investment, families just don't have the cash to spare and they want a machine quick and generally prefer a new one rather than a fix cause something else may go wrong. I'm not sure many of my bottom of the league machines have gone wrong because I only get phone calls from people who've been happy with their machine and have wanted something else. There are cowboys in every trade but don't tar everyone with the same brush or belittle cheaper machines just because you think they are inferior.The No.1 selling washing machine in the UK in recent times was around £189 and made by Indesit. Price rules! Nuff said.
Steve


Post# 235274 , Reply# 5   9/6/2007 at 16:13 (6,074 days old) by washboy2005 (UK)        

My previous machine, A HOOVER CANDY made washer dryer, went through hell and high waters in just over 5 years and was only replaced due to a dodgy pump fault, which in all fairness would have been an easy repair, but we felt a larger capacity and faster spin were in order.

The Hoover went on EVERYDAY without fail, for a year of its life it was washing everyday for 8-10 people doing anything upto 6-8 loads a day for a full year, NEVER A BREAK DOWN TO BE HAD! The machine in its lifetime had one bearing change at 5 years old and had a new belt too.

I think that is sterling service for a machine that cost £320! Anyone else care to join in with me who agrees that my Hoover Candy appliance was a resilient machine ??!??

I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when you post on here I think you should really think through what you post.

You can be biased to certain products and brands but when you post, you post with an attitude that I think not only me but some other members are quite sick of. I by no means want to cause offence to you or to start an argument but, PLEASE think about what you write before you hit that post button.


Post# 235276 , Reply# 6   9/6/2007 at 16:21 (6,074 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
thats my point

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Steve, any reason why you dont recommend Zanussi machines which are far superior to Hoover/Candy/Indesit (if you do its not clear from previous posts from you. BOL Essentials 1200 is around £220. Again most repair men try to put people off Lux machines. Because they know they wont be out to them soon. I agree Miele may not be to everyones budget but its clear from the rubbish I often hear from repair guys about parts being expensive to replace when the reality is they rarely go wrong in the first place. Local repair guy goes on about how good LG are. Fact is ours might be quiet and the motor seems to be holding up well but the electronics are messed up not to mention they clean and rinse very poorly. Same guy who refused to replace the brushes in our Hoover Quattro and tried to sell us a Hoover 6! I also disagree bout not replacing a new part in case something else goes wrong. That set of £4 cost brushes with an honest £30 labour charge I believe is better for giving the customer a chance to get the cash together for a new machine with honest mention that there is on guarantee the brushes will last, im basing my experience on the fact I replaced them on my old Hotpoint WM12 A year ago and they took a pounding before I came back home. The machine is still going strong now. So in that case my friend has had 12 months to save for that Miele. Nino can you clarify if that whirlpool is the actual one you are interested in 2nd hand or will be buying new? If your buying new, cost for cost they should be comparable to a new Miele. In which case you know which answer id take. Rob

Post# 235277 , Reply# 7   9/6/2007 at 16:25 (6,074 days old) by sparkcymru ()        
and next..

Well said Dan, and take note Rob. Now we'd better get back to Lavamat7880's original post.

I've thought about trying one of those huge Whirlpools cause they look good and i've heard they perform well, but alas it won't fit through my doorway cause it's too wide a machine. I'd like to hear anyone who's got one though and what they think? Anyone help out.

Steve


Post# 235278 , Reply# 8   9/6/2007 at 16:32 (6,074 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
whoa!

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I was simply stating that the repair guy in question sounded like those I consider cowboys in the UK. Read my orig post first! Im entitled to my opinion and will make it thankyou! All I have had is unreliable appliances over the part 7 years. My parents earn cash the hard way and are entitled to quality. Quality they have clearly not had. So if there are what I consider to be better machines for the same money I will put my thoughts forward. As this thread was about from its creator!

Post# 235279 , Reply# 9   9/6/2007 at 16:33 (6,074 days old) by sparkcymru ()        

Rob I don't sell Zanussi or Lux machines because I don't like them. I can't sell something I dislike. Secondly The Hoover Candy models I sell are built locally here in Wales and people like that.

Steve


Post# 235281 , Reply# 10   9/6/2007 at 16:42 (6,074 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
dislike? Lmao

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whats to dislike in someone elses house? And it definitely must be a local thing, rest of the country would rather have better for their money if they can get it. I certainly would not buy rotten corn cobs from my local farmshop when I could have a fresh can of Green Giant.

Post# 235286 , Reply# 11   9/6/2007 at 16:49 (6,074 days old) by sparkcymru ()        

I think we've ended this Rob. Thanks
Steve


Post# 235288 , Reply# 12   9/6/2007 at 16:56 (6,074 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
im quite sure you did

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:)

Post# 235290 , Reply# 13   9/6/2007 at 17:14 (6,074 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Electrolux Group Machines.......

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Are IMO just about the best value for the money....

Steve-

Surely made and assembled from Italian kits isnt quite the same thing?- also as you know the Visions are totally Italian :( , although I can see what you are saying about the local thing.

This on the other hand was MADE in Merthyr.....

Seamus


CLICK HERE TO GO TO seamusuk's LINK


Post# 235291 , Reply# 14   9/6/2007 at 17:16 (6,074 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
oops......

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Post# 235354 , Reply# 15   9/7/2007 at 01:07 (6,074 days old) by sparkcymru ()        

I don't sell the Visions or the Grando's only the Uk built ones ie the Smart range. Doesn't really matter where the parts are from, we support local factories where we can and Hoover is very important here in wales.
Steve


Post# 235401 , Reply# 16   9/7/2007 at 12:58 (6,073 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        
Okay...

Well, I was very glad about seeing of those many replies but I still don´t know what to buy.

Should I forget those Whirlpool machines?
Does really nobody of you made some experience with them?
Are they really able to wash such many loads in a restaurant or things like that?

Well, I think I won´t buy some stuff as AEG / Elux / Zanker / Indesit and so on.

Thanks n!n0


Post# 235403 , Reply# 17   9/7/2007 at 13:04 (6,073 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
Never trust a repair mans new machine reckonings!

Aquarius1984,
How very dare you generalise repair men as being untrustworthy, I for one would never advise anyone to buy an unreliable product.

For your information a Nursing Home in my local area has a Whirlpool AWM9000, it does all the washing for 40 residents and has done 15-20 wash loads every day for the past two years without a single problem. You obviously know nothing about the AWM9000 but then again you're not an engineer so that's hardly surprising. I am getting very tired of all this bashing and condemning of peoples choices, yes you are entitled to your opinion as everyone is but perhaps you should think about how you voice it the future.

Nino if you like the AWM9000 then by all means buy it they are a good sound machine, very quiet and have a huge 78 Litre drum with a 9Kg capacity. Also because of the large drum the laundry has room to move and wash properly so the cycle times are very good.

David


Post# 235417 , Reply# 18   9/7/2007 at 14:10 (6,073 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Okay, Thanks!

The first helpfull replie :)

But the price of 1900 Euro ( more than 2000 $ ) is simply shocking.

Do I really need a commercial washer for 14 loads a week?

BTW:
The repairman is a good friend of mine and is also a washer-freak^^


Post# 235434 , Reply# 19   9/7/2007 at 16:13 (6,073 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
14 loads a week

Hi Nino,
Well in my experience as a domestic appliance engineer I find the average family of four in the UK is doing 10-15 loads per week in a domestic machine. In this modern age we generate so much more laundry than say 20 years ago; for the most part clothes just need freshening as they are seldom worn long enough to get heavily soiled. I would say you probably don't need a commercial grade washer, you could opt for a large capacity 7-8Kg domestic machine. €1900 is a lot for an AWM9000 in the UK you can buy them new for around £600.

Good luck with your purchase.

David


Post# 235440 , Reply# 20   9/7/2007 at 18:14 (6,073 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Nino,

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I have lived in Munich since 1983. I sold new and used washers in the late 80's, early 90's.
Whirlpool in Germany made a lot of very bad mistakes when they first came on the market.
My one experience with them was very bad.
My former boss - who sells about 30 machines/week in Munich, refuses to sell Whirlpool or Bauknecht.
I have only had good experiences with Miele service. The commercial LGs sold in Germany have a good reputation in the trade, too. Nothing from AEG, Siemens-Bosch-Constructa or the Italian groups will hold up under that load.
I really wish some of the UK members wrote as pleasantly as the Americans, Canadians and folks from Down Under do...
(Ich habe auf Englisch geschreiben, weil so viele hier Deutsch nicht können. Wenn ich Dir eine Frage spezifischer beantworten kann, bitte sehr!)


Post# 235475 , Reply# 21   9/8/2007 at 03:48 (6,073 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Well, Germans wash in average 3.5 loads a week at 4 persons.
...Yuck!
I change (and my family too) my clothes every day except my jeans.
In next time we´ll get a puppie and that means extra much laundry.
I think a commercial washer is okay in our family, but I think I´ll buy a used Miele commercial.
I don´t like the german domestic-washers with a higher capacity.
No very good in Germany traded brand do produce high-capacity washers.
I don´t like Lg / Samsung / Bosch / Siemens and so on.

Whirlpools are okay, I think.

The repairman said that it´s a high duty washer, is that a special version?

Thanks.


Post# 235481 , Reply# 22   9/8/2007 at 05:20 (6,073 days old) by sparkcymru ()        

Hi or heavy duty from Whirlpool means they usually have stronger bearings and suspension, thicker drum material etc to take the extra use they get. I think Whirpool heavy duty front loader machines in the UK are designed for 15 loads a week. I guess Miele already have stronger bearings anyway but i'm sure they toughen a few bits up on the commercial versions.

Steve


Post# 235487 , Reply# 23   9/8/2007 at 06:00 (6,073 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        
Panthera,

Nice to meet a German in here.
In Germany there are also some forums about washing-machines, didn´t you know?
Maybe you´re already signed-in in such a forum, but I think that not.
I would know ,if yes ;)


Post# 235527 , Reply# 24   9/8/2007 at 12:30 (6,072 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
Whirlpool

Hi Steve,
Yes you are correct the AWM9000 has a heavier drum spider, drum bearings and tub suspension. A nursing home local to me has one and until recently it done at least 15 loads daily, it quite literally never stopped. The nursing home purchased a second AWM9000 last month as they really needed a second machine to cope with the volume of laundry; they also have the matching Whirlpool driers and again no problems whatsoever with them. The cousin of the AWM9000 the Whirlpool Duet is in widespread use throughout north America and is generally considered a good machine.
Interestingly the nursing home used a Whirlpool Direct Drive Top Loader for 10 years before they purchased the AWM9000; it still works but is no longer used because of its heavy hot water consumption. The only repairs I carried out on the Top Loader were the Motor coupler and the drain pump which was damaged by piece of wire.

David


Post# 235556 , Reply# 25   9/8/2007 at 18:31 (6,072 days old) by bearpeter ()        
Use this as you all wish....

First of all, I am English, living in Scotland with a Greek!!! I have no patriotism towards England and would be extremely happy for Hoover products to stay in Merthyr rather than be manufactured in Europe. (My friend Deb lives there and trains the local marching band the "Merthyr Concordes!" and the are really GOOD!!!)
First. Hoover products have gone well down in my estimations. My Aunt has always had hoover washers....the last one managed to work for 18 months. My vacuum is a Hoover. I went with it for the reputation after paying 150 quid for it.. and it is quite frankly, just a piece of plastic rubbish.

As a consumer, I would much prefer to be told the truth about a product.

In my lifetime, I have had hotpoint (poor noise and reliability.)Zanussi AEG great machines but very poor service. (Service Force let them down here in Scotland) Indesit, Creda (rubbish from start to finish), Whirlpool?? Bog standard and nothing to write home about. (Great as Phillips and as Phillips Whirlpool in the early 90's) Hoover and Candy? .... Appauling.
From my personal experience....not looking for a fight

Peter


Post# 235598 , Reply# 26   9/9/2007 at 06:24 (6,072 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        
Thinking about a Miele Commercial..

Well, now I´m thinking about a Miele Commercial, there are various offers of used Miele commercials on ebay, not very expensive.

For that price I´ll surely buy one.



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