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Post# 236506   9/13/2007 at 19:21 (6,041 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Hey all I thought I would share a few pics of my new babys. The washer was dead on arrival. It would fill but not much else. I called Miele and they sent out a guy today...not bad for a 1 day turn around and he diagnosed the problem...I had a bad klixon switch in the motor. He had a new motor available and I took a few pics of it apart. So far I am very impressed with the service and the performance of this washer and dryer. The dryer is super FAST.Anyways enough of my babbling and on with the pics.




Post# 236507 , Reply# 1   9/13/2007 at 19:22 (6,041 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
top view

inside the washer

Post# 236508 , Reply# 2   9/13/2007 at 19:23 (6,041 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
side view

notice the plastic drum

Post# 236509 , Reply# 3   9/13/2007 at 19:23 (6,041 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
the pair

Miele washer and dryer

Post# 236510 , Reply# 4   9/13/2007 at 19:24 (6,041 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
dryer inside

love the Honeycomb drum. The drum is 6.36 cu ft

Post# 236511 , Reply# 5   9/13/2007 at 19:25 (6,041 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
washer drum

Honeycomb washer drum

Post# 236514 , Reply# 6   9/13/2007 at 20:11 (6,041 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR)        

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Those are gorgeous. Congratulations!

Post# 236518 , Reply# 7   9/13/2007 at 20:38 (6,041 days old) by the7 ()        

Mieli use "plastic" outer drums in their full-size washers like most other full-size FLs.

Seems the drum is hanged by 4 springs and sits on 2 dampers.



Post# 236532 , Reply# 8   9/13/2007 at 21:41 (6,041 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Not Plastic

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But a type of fiberglass. IIRC Miele stated it was sort of the same as what the hulls of some top yachts are made from, in which case quite durable stuff indeed one would think.

L.

Great machines by the way, congrats!

L.


Post# 236546 , Reply# 9   9/14/2007 at 01:07 (6,041 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
Nice pair

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You were smart to take some photos while these were apart. Interesting that the frame looks like stamped sheet metal. But since I don't see any concrete weight blocks, I'm assuming that the counterweights are cast iron. Is this right?

Also, interested to know if the dryer can vent downward into the floor... which is how my laundry closet is currently set up. If and when I replace my Neptune 7500 pair, this 4 cu ft Miele would be at the top of my list.


Post# 236552 , Reply# 10   9/14/2007 at 03:15 (6,041 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

You assumed correctly Sudsmaster. The front of the washer drum has the cast iron counterweights. On the dryer I dont know if it can be vented down. The dryer came with adapters for various vent hoses. The one thing about the dryer that I will have to be honest about is the fact that its not quiet. The airflow is very noticeable. My guesstimate would be that there has to be close to 350 cfms running thru the drum. The laundry is literally pushed to the front it seems. I dont mind that since the dry times are impressive. I did my first load of whites...dry time was 25 mins. Sheets came in at 15 mins. And the dryer lets me know at what stage of drying the clothes are at. When it meets normal stage it goes right into cooldown. The dryer also features reverse drum tumbling. I watched a load of sheets that got into a ball get undone plus the dryer sensed the ball and automatically reversed itself.
The washer is equally impressive. It uses Miele's hydromatic system is slow tumble and them revs up to power out the dirt. The washer spins at 1300 rpms and the drum looks decieving in its size...it does hold as much as the Maytag Neptune that I have in Mass. So far after using them on my first day it was money well spent. Oh and the washer doesnt pussyfoot when it comes to the cycle like the Neptune. It gets on with the job and the cycle times are not as bad as I feared.


Post# 236555 , Reply# 11   9/14/2007 at 03:45 (6,041 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Posters over on THS who own the new uber Miele dryers have noted that they are rather "loud". Apparently this is because of increased air flow, which Miele uses to gain energy effficency. One poster mentioned something about a retro fit thing for his dryer vent or something to cut down on what he felt was excessive noise, but cannot remember.



Post# 236559 , Reply# 12   9/14/2007 at 04:40 (6,041 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        

oooo pictures or video's in action would be nice. The construction base is the same as the normal miele's but some things are different like the pump who is usually place under the detergent tray etc...


Post# 236568 , Reply# 13   9/14/2007 at 06:20 (6,040 days old) by hoover3060 ()        

Beautiful!...Just Beautiful! Congratulations!

Mark


Post# 236574 , Reply# 14   9/14/2007 at 07:09 (6,040 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Miele has always used cast iron as counter weights,instead of the cheaper concrete found on some front loaders.

Post# 236592 , Reply# 15   9/14/2007 at 08:34 (6,040 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I just took a load of towels out of the dryer...I thought with my Whirlpool dryer that the towels seemed nice and fluffy. With the Miele they are even more fluffy..if that makes sense. They seemed to be higher when I was folding and stacking them. I did discover that on the washer I wont be able to use the mix of regular and Tide HE...it suds up too much during spin. The oversuds light lit up. SA8 even suds up in this washer. I have been using a scoop and a half but I will have to cut it back to one scoop. It does love Persil...no suds.
As I use this set I am finding that the Germans know how to build a machine. From my dishwasher that I love to this set and my vacuum that are all Miele...I can see why people love them.


Post# 236604 , Reply# 16   9/14/2007 at 09:51 (6,040 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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When I was at a nearby Miele dealer to inquire about the valve for my 1918 washer, I did take time to look over all the Miele appliances. Man, I want one of the dishwashers so bad! The laundry products are so nice and sturdy, and this model in this thread is just the cat's meow!

Congrats!


Post# 236667 , Reply# 17   9/14/2007 at 19:16 (6,040 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

My sister saw these today and she said to me that if I get bored with them that she would take them. I told her I dont think I will get bored with these. One thing on the washer that I noticed is that after the main wash cycle the washer will drain and spin the load at high speed to get the soapy water out of the clothes. My Frigidaire washer that I had really didnt spin for long and sometimes not at all between rinses. By the time the final rinse comes the water is clear in the Miele.
I wonder how it will rate when Consumer Reports does the washer and dryer ratings. I know they might whine about the dryer noise but thats a trade off I think for a dryer that moves so much air. In fact the manual says to open a window so the dryer can have adequate make up air. If it doesnt get what it needs then the dryer will take longer. I am looking forward to the dry winter air to come to see how much faster this dryer is with bone dry air.


Post# 236714 , Reply# 18   9/15/2007 at 08:39 (6,039 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Miele Washers And Detergents

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Took the nearly full boxes of Tide with Bleach and Tide Coldwater to mother's for her or other family members to use. Only use either Persil or a commercial European detergent for colours in my Miele. Both seem to do much better, with less rinsing issues, and by the fourth rinse the water is always clear.

The only non-European or "HE" detergent I use is the Caldrea powder for my linens, but it is non-sudsing no so worries there.

Americans can build front loaders to rival Miele's, they've been doing so for commercial use for ages now, it is just that the consumer just won't open their wallets



Post# 236756 , Reply# 19   9/15/2007 at 12:27 (6,039 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I also think that the size of the holes in the drum have something to do with the oversudsing on spin. They are half the diameter of a regular exit hole and there are 80% fewer of them compared to a Bosch or other brand. The honeycomb design of the drum does make a difference I think in performance and whats interesting is that fact that towels dont have the hole pattern on them. I used the Sanitize cycle last night to clean out the washer and the wash water temp got nice and hot. The door was hot to the touch. So this washer does raise the water temp nicely.
I am going to be using Persil, British Ariel and SA8 in this washer. Tide HE does OK as well...but not with towels...why I dunno but somehow Tide HE will suds too much during spin.


Post# 236774 , Reply# 20   9/15/2007 at 15:53 (6,039 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Whatever holes are left from spinning in my Miele, or any other front loader has never bothered me, as by the time they are dry everything is fluffy.

Question: Does your Miele engage the heater on all was cycles, including "Normal"? One poster over on THS made quite a bit of noise in that her machine didn't and gave Miele so much grief regarding the matter they actually TOOK the machines back.

Thanks,

L.



Post# 236778 , Reply# 21   9/15/2007 at 16:37 (6,039 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Oh the holes dont bother me either...I just noticed that they didnt leave a pattern after the high final spin. The washer does indeed heat the water. It will pull the hot water off my water heater and then if its not hot enough add its own heat. My water heater is set at 135 which is 5 degrees higher than what Miele recommends. But the washer doesnt have a problem keeping the water warm and getting it very hot if I need it. The heater is engaged when its needed. After using the extra whites cycle I checked how hot the water was coming out of the drain hose and indeed it was very hot. I would say about 150 hot. The Sanitize temp gets the water a very hot 170 degrees. It does add time to the cycle but it gets the job done heating to where it should be. All this on 120 volts.

Post# 236783 , Reply# 22   9/15/2007 at 17:12 (6,039 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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They're beautiful! It was great to see the inner workings, too. Many happy loads to you.

Post# 236846 , Reply# 23   9/16/2007 at 10:28 (6,038 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Thanks! One thing to give a heads up on with the washer is that if you have cat or dog...this washer does not remove the hair...it will stay in the drum. The dryer takes care of the fur. I had to vacuum out the washer after washing a blanket that my cats had been sleeping on. It was somewhat surprising since I never had that problem with any other washer I had used.
The other thing is that the vanes on the washer are solid...no holes to shower the load like other brands have. But it doesnt need the holes since it scoops the water up and onto the load. Besides the cat hair thing I am loving my new washer.


Post# 236869 , Reply# 24   9/16/2007 at 14:32 (6,038 days old) by bud ()        

Howdy, congrats on your scoring of these beautiful machines. I'm thinking of up grading. The question I have is are Meile's as skimpy on the water usage as their American cousins? Thanks

Post# 236871 , Reply# 25   9/16/2007 at 15:01 (6,038 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Hey there Bud... I would have to say that they are very frugal with water. I should take a picture of the water level without clothes to get an idea. But thats not the true amount it would use since clothes towels etc soak up water differently. The washer seems to use what it needs and does clean well. Rinsing is exceptional since there are high speed spins between each rinse cycle. By the final rinse the water is clear.

Post# 236875 , Reply# 26   9/16/2007 at 15:28 (6,038 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Though mine are European models, mine are very economical with water and you can't see the water level at all during the wash cycles. However during the rinses the water will overlap the rim of the drum on cottons cycles, or will come up the window on the minimum iron and delicate cycles. The interim spinning, as with most modern washers, plays an important an effective part in rinsing the laundry.

Mike - nice machines anyway. I love the mega Miele's, can't wait until they're released here. BTW, taking a photo of the water level without laundry in the drum won't show how much water it will use in operation as it will alter the water level depending on how full the load is, and with an empty load it will only fill a teeny portion into the tub whereas with a fuller load the water would be deeper :-).

Jon


Post# 236883 , Reply# 27   9/16/2007 at 17:06 (6,038 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
Just a gentle thought

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the speed of which an interim spin is has not that great an effect on rinse ability. I saw with my very own eyes at Mikes, a machine that did gentle slow interim spins yet rinsed far better than I can get with the LG Being re set after I have run a 1200rpm Maximum cotton spin after the wash and high water level rinses. Fast spins after wash and rinse only force muck and detergent back into the fibres and encourage suds lockz. High water levels dont really rinse that much better too. When using Horizon or Persil Performance detergent at school the Hoover Logic 1200 rarely had an exceptionally really clear final rinse. Its about how the water is used. One reason why Zanussi Jetsystems rinse so superbly on low levels. I got the same rinse standard from my Zanussi than the Hoover Logic at school using mega litres of water. I agree though that pet hair is only removable in high water. Nice Miele set. Good to see this brand gaining popularity. Its a good sign for the industy and other brands will hopefully buck ideas up to improve the quality they have lost over the years. :) :) :) Rob

Post# 236887 , Reply# 28   9/16/2007 at 18:02 (6,038 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Rob, interim spins do indeed help with rinsing from what I've found - the majority of suds are spun out of the laundry before the rinse cycle even begins so leaves laundry with less detergent residue to rinse out in the first place. Suds and dirt aren't forced back into the fibres at all - bearing in mind the surfactants in detergents suspend dirt in the water and don't allow it to deposit back onto the laundry again - plus the fact that the majority of any dirt suspended in the water is drained out before the spin starts, and provided a good dose of detergent is used then dirt shouldn't be deposited back onto laundry at all no matter how fast the interim spin. Sudslocks for me only occur on the rare occasion where too much detergent is used though the gentle run up to spin on our Miele at least prevents suds lock, and I rarely get sudslock even with towels. If you select a speed of 700rpm or lower on a cottons cycle on my machine it will actually add an extra rinse and increase the water levels, that alone to me says that the interim spins must be important otherwise the machine wouldn't be programmed to do that.

Rinsing is a combination of factors - if you have more spinning the less water/amount of rinses you need, if you have less spinning then the more water and amount of rinses you need.

I'm not sure anymore if high levels are needed for pet hair either - though pet hair was a major major problem with our Bosch machine the Miele's water levels, even on the standard low rinses, don't seem to have a problem getting dog hair off laundry at all, though you will have them collect in the door seal as the rinse water can't reach the seal to wash them away. The only use high water levels serve to me are the washday drama which is assosciated with it :-).

Jon


Post# 236891 , Reply# 29   9/16/2007 at 18:39 (6,038 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Now I am curious about the wrinkle-free cycle that is on the washer. I will try the cycle the next time I do shirts and maybe even try the delicates or hand wash cycle to see if the water levels are higher. I agree with jon that spinning does make a difference. The washer doesnt use the Max spin speed but the high speed..I dont know how fast it is but it does a world of good for the load. I would have to say that on the Extra whites cycle that there are 3 rinses with an option for a 4th. On sensitive setting it adds the extra rinse but doesnt raise the water level in the drum. I am wondering if the models being sold here in North America are different than whats sold over in Europe.

Post# 236901 , Reply# 30   9/16/2007 at 20:23 (6,038 days old) by ironrite ()        

That is a beautiful washer and dryer. I am curious though about the pet hair in the washer. My current Frigidaire FL is slowly dying and today at Lowes, the partner mentioned getting a new washer and dryer for Christmas. I mentioned the Miele as it seems favorable. However we have two short hair dogs that do spend time on blankets and such, but I'm not sure I want to vacuum the washer!! And now in Jon's post he mentions this same thing about a Bosch machine, which would have been another choice.

Post# 236906 , Reply# 31   9/16/2007 at 21:02 (6,038 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Older front loading washing machines, even those made by Miele didn't spin after the wash for two main reasons, IIRC: fear of suds lock and causing creasing in laundry that had been washed at temperatures of >140F.

My vintage Miele, like other frontloaders from the 1980's and early 1980's has two rinses after the wash without spins in between. Today of course given water consumption issues for washing machines, most all washers simply spin after the wash to remove more soap/detergent so there is less to dilute out in subsequent rinses. Less detergent/soap to dilute out, means less rinses. Of course this depends upon one using the correct detergent so the machine can do a proper spin after the wash cycle, and not lock up due to excess foam.


Commercial frontloaders rarely went thourgh all the palaver of rinses after a wash, even on PP cycle; they simply drain and get on with things. Of course such machines have no pump, and drain into a sewer line, thus have little to fear regarding suds lock.

Pet Hair:

Depending upon how much of it there is, one finds frontloaders in general do not compare to say top loaders in pet hair removal. My Miele uses quite allot of water for washing and rinsing, still one finds masses of pet hair on the dryer lint screen, or when shaking wet laundry out to go on the line. On and yes, there is lots of hair in the drum, around the boot as well. Usually just run a quick wash cycle with a bit of detergent to flush all the muck of of the machine.

L.


Post# 236907 , Reply# 32   9/16/2007 at 21:02 (6,038 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Its really not that bad as far as the pet hair goes. I am used to a clean drum when I use a front load washer. The dryer will remove whatever the washer has not removed...so if you dry your clothes on the line it might be an issue but if you use the dryer it wont be.

Post# 237012 , Reply# 33   9/17/2007 at 18:19 (6,037 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
dryer control panel

dryer

Post# 237013 , Reply# 34   9/17/2007 at 18:20 (6,037 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
washer panel

washer

Post# 237014 , Reply# 35   9/17/2007 at 18:21 (6,037 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
another washer drum shot

honeycomb drum

Post# 237015 , Reply# 36   9/17/2007 at 18:23 (6,037 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        
another shot

here is another shot with the machine apart

Post# 237018 , Reply# 37   9/17/2007 at 18:59 (6,037 days old) by variflexpghpa (Pittsburgh, PA)        
a bit off topic

I saw in the background you have a manifold with several circulating pumps. Do you have radiant floor heat in your house?
Just curious


Post# 237023 , Reply# 38   9/17/2007 at 20:05 (6,037 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

dont have radiant floor heat...its forced hot water baseboard heat

Post# 237028 , Reply# 39   9/17/2007 at 20:35 (6,037 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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NEAT!

No holes in the paddles to scoop up the water and shower the clothes?


Post# 237035 , Reply# 40   9/17/2007 at 21:16 (6,037 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

I know thats what I said too when I looked at the washer for the first time. The honeycomb drum design holds the water and creates a skim layer of water. during the tumble period the water is scooped up by the solid vanes and over the load. No drum vane holes are needed. I should invest in a video cam so you can see what I mean.

Post# 237217 , Reply# 41   9/18/2007 at 21:35 (6,036 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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O I C.


:-)


Post# 237324 , Reply# 42   9/19/2007 at 13:43 (6,035 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        
Quite diff'rent

It seems the design of the drum of the european models is quite different from the one of the machines exported in U.S. Here is the drum equipping my W4466. I wonder where the button to open the door is...

Post# 237325 , Reply# 43   9/19/2007 at 13:49 (6,035 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        
Similar aesthetic style...

The style is rather similar to our european w 4000 series... Here is my W 4466

Post# 237326 , Reply# 44   9/19/2007 at 14:12 (6,035 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Hey there Bewitched...there is no button to open the door on this washer. If you want to add something during the cycle you have to touch the pause button to open the door. i noticed on the bottom pic with your w4466 model that the yellow button looks like it might be the door button. Also this washers drum is angled...unlike the pic that you have showing the true horizontal drum.
Great question!


Post# 237328 , Reply# 45   9/19/2007 at 14:24 (6,035 days old) by bewitched (Italy)        

Hello! Yes, as tradition for Miele the yellow pushbutton is used to open the door. You can open it if the water is at a suitable level, if the water temperature is below 50°C or if the spinning phase hasn't been reached. The drum is not angled, I think it is their traditional design with a more modern look. It also has a stainless steel tub and the pump is located opposite to the one in your machine.I also saw he pictures of your "la perla" dishwasher. It just like mine except mine is model G1830Sci. Great machine anyway! I would buy the newest, the G 1832...

Post# 237359 , Reply# 46   9/19/2007 at 17:11 (6,035 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

The Miele dishwasher that I have is very interesting in many ways. I am still learning how to use it and the quirks it has. I am finding that overall it does a great job cleaning. But the silverware tray...I like it but I have to be careful how spoons are angled since if they are angled down it wont clean the side facing down. If the middle rack isnt too full its not an issue but if it is full like most of the time it is ...it can be an issue. I am learnin and the washer the same thing like anything else as you use it you learn what it can and cannot do.

And the big thing that I have found is by learning from everyone else here. Laundress has been a wealth of information and I have learned alot from her postings...and what she has said makes alot sense. I find myself saying ...ah now I get it... Robert amazes me in what he does and what he brings to the table. And thats just the tip of the iceburg. Toggleswitch...well that goes without saying...funny as hell and I have to say someone worth getting to know. Not forgetting the others but these stand out to me.


Post# 237808 , Reply# 47   9/22/2007 at 09:38 (6,032 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
Congratulations

Hello Mike,
Congratulations on your new washer and dryer set.
It's good to see a Miele with a large capacity drum, I hope they eventually release them in the UK.

I wish you good health and many years of happy washing and drying.

David


Post# 238032 , Reply# 48   9/23/2007 at 12:43 (6,031 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

awww thanks David

Post# 238119 , Reply# 49   9/23/2007 at 20:19 (6,031 days old) by decodriveboy (FL, US)        

Looking forward to a video or action shots!

Post# 242476 , Reply# 50   10/15/2007 at 08:52 (6,009 days old) by miele4848 ()        
Miele W 4840 loading Sensor

Does your Milele have a loading sensor? I saw a Machine that recognizes the weight of the load and displays you the recomanded amount of detergent. I was absolutely astonished! These big capacity Mieles are awsome, but I can't use it, because as a single I couldnt even get it half filled!

The noise of the dryer maybe is caused by the glassdoor! the airstream could be different from conventional dryers. They might be more convienient or stylisher but glassdoors are much more inefficient than the standard doors, that is wahat i heard!

Makes me proud that our high end engineering is so favored overseas!


Post# 242499 , Reply# 51   10/15/2007 at 12:31 (6,009 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Congratulations on becoming a member of the Miele Mob. When I looked at the Mega Miele, there was a small screen in the control panel and by pushing butons, I was able to come up with selections for a rinse and spin and a spin only among other things. Your towels might be fluffier because more water was spun out of them before drying and maybe they were better rinsed. Removing the more of the detergents and water minerals that would ordinarily dry into the fibers can make clothes softer.

That fiberglass outer tub holds the heat better than a stainless steel tub and is very helpful when heating on 120 volts.

It's amazing how much water fabrics hold. Towels can even cause suds when spinning in a top loader given the right conditions. Saturday night I washed king size sheets in the Duet and drained the water from all three rinses into the barrel with the submersible pump so that the water can be used for plants in the yard. I used the Whitest Whites cycle with warm/cold temperatures. In that cycle, the washer spins at 800 rpm for the intermediate spins. In the intermidiate spins, each time the speed accelerated, more water came gushing out of the drain hose. I was wondering how much water the sheets could hold. I washed them in a little over half a measure of SA8 with STPP and Borax. The wash water was very slippery with the cleaning products, but the first rinse drained out without the least sensation of silky alkalinity to the water. I know that there had to be some, but it was not detectable when rubbing my thumb against my fingers in the water stream.

I hope that you enjoy your new Mieles for a very long time. Tom



Post# 242515 , Reply# 52   10/15/2007 at 13:23 (6,009 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Thanks Tom! I am loving my Mieles they surprise me in how well they do the job. Very well made thats for sure. Plus whats amazing is how well I am finding out that this washer cleans.
On the dryer the airflow is much higher than my Maytag dryer that I have and that was my most powerful until I got the Miele dryer. I would have to say that the sound of the dryer isnt because of the glass door front its the airflow. When I open the door to the drum during a cycle there is a vacuum sound in the dryer door. The load in the dryer is pushed forward..more noticable with sheets and whites. It dries fast and when i open the door the load isnt hot at all during the drying process. More like body temperature.
The washer does heat the water well and its not slouch when it comes to heating the water. Plus the temps are not "dumbed down" When you choose warm you get warm at 105 degrees F or very warm at 122 F Hot is 140 and sanitize is 158F which to me is plenty hot.


Post# 242518 , Reply# 53   10/15/2007 at 13:36 (6,009 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Great!

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I think your Mieles will keep you happy for a long time.
They are aethetically pleasing and it almost seems a pity that the housing isn't clear.
When I replaced my last washer, the honeycomb design was new. The saleswoman asked if I had pets and when I said "three cats, one dog" she marched me over to LG and said: largest tub holes in the business...forget the pretty one, go for this.
I don't know...truly, the LG does get rid of the cat hair...but whether those little holes are the reason in Miele?
On a side note, after running two loads in my dishwasher, I ran, did not walk, back to Miele and got the silverware basket and bottom corb for it. Gave the silverware rack to friends.
Things came out clean (those enzymes and phospates here make a difference) but oh - what a pain to load and unload. Only nasty thing I have ever had to say about any Miele.


Post# 242528 , Reply# 54   10/15/2007 at 15:42 (6,009 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

On the Miele dishwasher that I have I find that yeah it can be a pain to load the silverware tray and it can be time consuming but when it comes to unloading its not bad at all. What i do is group the silverware...large spoons together small spoons and etc. I load that last since my sink is pretty empty by the time I finish loading the dishes and glasses and such. I sort the silverware in the sink and I start with my knives first and work my way to the back of the tray. I do love the way the tray holds each piece and each item get beautifully clean. I would love to get the utensil basket I have seen on the Miele UK site for the lower rack.


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