Thread Number: 14085
A Philips toploader turns up in the Netherlands, pictures of the famous CC1000! |
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Post# 241493   10/10/2007 at 09:27 (6,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I was contacted by a Dutchman who wrote me he had a Philips toploader in his garage for 6 years (it was there when he rented it). And now he decided to give it to friends who needed a washing machine. There was a problem with it but when he took pictures for me (what he offered to do) he noticed that the machine only needed to be reset. It works like a charm now! This machine is somewhere from the 70's I think. IIRC the CC1000 was the first H-axis machine that spun with 1000rpm.
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Post# 241495 , Reply# 1   10/10/2007 at 09:29 (6,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241496 , Reply# 2   10/10/2007 at 09:31 (6,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241497 , Reply# 3   10/10/2007 at 09:33 (6,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241498 , Reply# 4   10/10/2007 at 09:34 (6,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241499 , Reply# 5   10/10/2007 at 09:35 (6,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241500 , Reply# 6   10/10/2007 at 09:36 (6,014 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241509 , Reply# 7   10/10/2007 at 10:34 (6,014 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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So interesting, but I would go crazy being unable to take a peek to watch the goings-on. The Tower Unimatic had a completely inaccessible lid switch, but a boy could open the lid just enough before shut-off for a wonderful view. What do the Dutch boys do? I wonder if Robert could imagine how to unwrap one of these h-axis babies. Thank you for the trip to the Netherlands. |
Post# 241519 , Reply# 8   10/10/2007 at 11:36 (6,014 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)   |   | |
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Post# 241547 , Reply# 10   10/10/2007 at 13:24 (6,013 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)   |   | |
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Hi Louis, at first glance I thought you had got it...OMG, what a beauty, that drum looks sooo sturdy with all those ridges and the big bearings etc...bit of a pain with the lids, those grey ribs on the lids remind me of the vampish Kelvinator agitator!!! As Simon mentioned, its amazing the amount of water it used to complete the wash, as a similar Philco Ford fl took 29.5 gallons for a 7.5 load, compared to the Philips 24gallons for the 8lb... A classic machine indeed, heres a pic of the HN3109, |
Post# 241571 , Reply# 12   10/10/2007 at 15:09 (6,013 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I wish I had room for such a machine, but I haven't. Besides that, it wasn't offered to me. It was great that the owner took pictures for me. Actually I don't know much about these machines and their technical specifications. The HN3109 was unknown to me. But that says nothing. Interesting that it was tested in 1969. Then the CC1000 is older than I assumed. What a modern machine for that time!!! Paul, I understand what you mean. I'm not sure, Philips made quite a few different models. But I never saw such a model that was wider than the one in the picture. I remember advertisements with the model in your picture. |
Post# 241576 , Reply# 14   10/10/2007 at 15:38 (6,013 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241578 , Reply# 15   10/10/2007 at 15:42 (6,013 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241581 , Reply# 16   10/10/2007 at 15:52 (6,013 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 241606 , Reply# 18   10/10/2007 at 17:41 (6,013 days old) by bearpeter ()   |   | |
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I was given many years ago a Phillips inclined drum.... controls were blue and the machine was FAB! (It was an old machine 28 years ago lol) Does anyone have any info on this machine? Peter |
Post# 241609 , Reply# 19   10/10/2007 at 17:45 (6,013 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)   |   | |
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Philips inclined drum - front loader at all? If so this is weird and a bit spooky - see the 'Here's a mystery euro machine thread!' set up by Simon. Cheers Paul |
Post# 241612 , Reply# 20   10/10/2007 at 18:31 (6,013 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 241613 , Reply# 21   10/10/2007 at 18:32 (6,013 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 241616 , Reply# 22   10/10/2007 at 19:07 (6,013 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)   |   | |
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Post# 241621 , Reply# 23   10/10/2007 at 19:41 (6,013 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 241635 , Reply# 24   10/10/2007 at 22:02 (6,013 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)   |   | |
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Post# 241641 , Reply# 25   10/10/2007 at 23:08 (6,013 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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I just love these top-load h-axis washers - does it really use a lot more water? I should try to find a Staber to play with - they are fun to see running, even if you can't the clothes tumbling. The sounds they make are fantastic. I'll bet this Phillips running with the lid open would sound very similar, especially if there is lots of water sloshing about. That door boot does look like fun to change - the oval opening is worth every bit of effort though! |
Post# 241667 , Reply# 27   10/11/2007 at 02:33 (6,013 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Just for the record, this isn't my machine. The owner sent pictures to me and because this is such a special machine I decided to post them here. Greg, Older frontloaders and H-axis toploaders used lots more water than they do nowadays. They needed more water because they didn't perform spins between all rinses. But apparently this machine was rather frugal compared with it's competitors at that time. Those Stabers look pretty intrigueing. The hexagonal design probably makes for even more water noise. Ralf, The 40cm wide models with the controls on the fron indeed had no suspension, although I am wondering if the later models didn't have that either. I think I remember that later there was a model that spun a bit faster. Anyone have memories of those machines? I would love to know more about them. The 40cm wide models with the controls at the back did have a suspension system. They were really wonderful machines, I still love mine. I found a see through drawing of a later model. Mr cowboy Jetcone, I'm not wearing chaps and spurs, I'm a decent city guy. Watch your steps mister, or you'll have a big slap coming across the ocean...! |
Post# 241689 , Reply# 29   10/11/2007 at 07:21 (6,013 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)   |   | |
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Post# 241700 , Reply# 31   10/11/2007 at 07:56 (6,013 days old) by robm (Buxted)   |   | |
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OMG Louis the picture at 15.52 of the 40cm toploader was my Mother's first automatic. It used to just go into the spin cycle without distribution but did remain very stable. It had a 800rpm variable spin and a fairly noisy brush motor. I always thought the motor which took a while to get up to speed due to the drum being full of water must have taken a bashing. I used to play with the variable spin to and step it up manually. I have to confess I did hate this machine though, just because I couldn't see what was going on. Was much happier when Mum re did her kitchen and got a front loader Hotpoint 9530 and I could see what was going on. Thanks for the pic Rob |
Post# 241753 , Reply# 33   10/11/2007 at 12:36 (6,012 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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IIRC the AWB149's topspeed is 850 rpm, just as my AWB119. They were both the TOL model of their series. The later series that was sold when Philips became Whirlpool had the detergent dispenser on the bottom of the lid. On the first models they weren't removable so they were a pain to clean. The need for a lower water consumption demanded that the drain before spinning was introduced, the older models only spin with a drum filled with water to the highest level. Great machines indeed. Here's a picture of a later Philips. Louis |
Post# 241855 , Reply# 34   10/11/2007 at 20:29 (6,012 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 241858 , Reply# 35   10/11/2007 at 20:32 (6,012 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)   |   | |
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Post# 241870 , Reply# 36   10/11/2007 at 20:52 (6,012 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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Wow! The water use of these older machine is just as astounding as their top loading American counterparts... For comparison, I took the water use of a large capacity Maytag washer from 1969 (40 gal) and used a "large capacity" load of 14 pounds (6.4 kg) and came up with 23.66 litres of water per kilogram of washing. This has been a very interesting and educational thread! |
Post# 242146 , Reply# 39   10/13/2007 at 04:29 (6,011 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Greg, Yes, the older European machines were waterhogs! There is however a difference between American toploaders and these ones. These machines use less water for washing and more for rinsing. Most of them have 4 - 5 rinses. My compact Miele toploader even has 6! They needed that many rinses because there were hardly spins between rinses or often not at all. Diomede, Does your Ignis spin between rinses? Years ago, in the late 90's I think, I mailed Miele and Bosch if they were planning to sell their toploaders on the American market. I never heard from them. At that time Bosch had a toploader that matched their dryers, it would have been a smart looking set. And conveniently compact! |
Post# 242149 , Reply# 40   10/13/2007 at 05:23 (6,011 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)   |   | |
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My vintage Miele w1070 which was produced from about the 1980's through early 1990's indeed has four deep rinses on "cottons". If you count the water added at the end of the wash cycle it makes five, since quite allot of water is put into the tub to cool down the suds. And yes, there are only two spins during rinsing. One short spin after the second rinse, and a longer after the third. This is basically rinsing by dilution and have to say it works. Not for those who pay high water rates though, or have septic systems. L. |
Post# 242329 , Reply# 42   10/14/2007 at 08:57 (6,010 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242330 , Reply# 43   10/14/2007 at 08:58 (6,010 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242331 , Reply# 44   10/14/2007 at 08:59 (6,010 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242666 , Reply# 48   10/16/2007 at 04:41 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242697 , Reply# 50   10/16/2007 at 08:24 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242700 , Reply# 51   10/16/2007 at 08:29 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Some years ago I came across a Ruton (a brand name owned by Philips) washer that was put on the curb. I went home to get my camera and took these pictures. The control panel is almost the same as the Philips Slimstar (Ruton used orange accents on it's control panels for a long time) but the machine is totally different undere the lid! I just discovered that!
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Post# 242701 , Reply# 52   10/16/2007 at 08:31 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242702 , Reply# 53   10/16/2007 at 08:31 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242703 , Reply# 54   10/16/2007 at 08:32 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242705 , Reply# 55   10/16/2007 at 08:34 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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Post# 242708 , Reply# 56   10/16/2007 at 08:50 (6,008 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)   |   | |
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I found this in another map on my computer. It's a scan from a Philips jubileum book. This is the translation of the text: "Apart from a groing number of small household appliances new Philips fridges, freezers, washers and dishwashers enter the market. With possible overproduction in Western Europe Philips starts cooperating with other companies. In 1969 an agreement is reached with Ignis for founding a joint venture for coolers and freezers: Industrie Reunite Eurodomestica S.p.A. (IRE) in Comerio, Italy. Together with Bauknecht a factory for dishwashers is built in 1970 in Neunkirchen, Western Germany: Euro Hausgeraete G.m.b.H. The centre of the division for large household appliances is founded in Comerio." |