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Thread Number: 14642
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| Post# 249396 , Reply# 4 11/21/2007 at 03:34 (5,999 days old) by mrwash () | ||
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My Bosch dishwasher has an Eco-program, an Auto 55°-65° program, an intensive 70° program, a fast 45° program and a pre-rinse which I can select if necessary. Every prog. works well, no probs here. The machine was tested best in a consumer magazine. | ||
Post# 249404 , Reply# 5 11/21/2007 at 05:58 (5,999 days old) by panthera  (Rocky Mountains) |
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turbidity sensors
In my experience, range from quite good - Miele to ok - GE - to very very very very very very slow but thorough: Amana/Maytag. When push comes to shove, the difference between our detergents here in Europe - high enzyme, high phosphate (~30%) and the castrated stuff folks in the US have to work with plays a greater role than does the sensor. I haven't used the automatic function on my Miele in quite some time, not sense I discovered that it cleaned just as well on the manual 55° program using AS (!!!) three-in-one tabs... Rolls-Rapide, if you list your Model number from Bosch, I will try to find out what the temps are. It never ceases to fascinate me that manufacturers leave out such details in some languages and put them in in others. I often translated technical documents in the 90's for Bosch and it seems like the German, Italian and Brazilian Port. consumer texts were more detailed than the ones bound for the Netherlands or UK/US. Weird. | ||
| Post# 249408 , Reply# 6 11/21/2007 at 06:38 (5,999 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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About phosphates... I'm using Svelto tablets and Finish powder... the maximum listed quantity of phosphates is only 6% not 30! | ||
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Post# 249968 , Reply# 11 11/24/2007 at 12:35 (5,995 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 249985 , Reply# 12 11/24/2007 at 13:09 (5,995 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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| Post# 251453 , Reply# 15 12/1/2007 at 08:11 (5,989 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
kenmore dishwasher | ||
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Post# 252297 , Reply# 16 12/5/2007 at 15:54 (5,984 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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We fill ours almost everyday so I seldom use the Rinse and H
except when I fill the Jet Dry dispenser. When I see that liquid run down the stainless door I feel the need to run a quick RInse and Hold if it is going to be a while before the dishes get washed. Not sure why I do that. Perhaps it's a habit I learned before I had a machine with a stainless interior. Does anyone else do that? Do I need to?
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| Post# 252400 , Reply# 17 12/5/2007 at 23:57 (5,984 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago) | ||
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Post# 252404 , Reply# 18 12/6/2007 at 00:08 (5,984 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage) |
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Excess Rinse Aid
Most bottles of rinse and indeed dishwasher owner's manuals advice wiping up any excess rinse aid that spills over when filling the compartment. Apparently the excess rinse aid can cause excess foaming in subsequent wash cycles if not dealt with. Being as this may, never really bother and haven't noticed any problems. I mean if a few dribbles spill out I'm not going to run into a panic or break a sweat. | ||
| Post# 252420 , Reply# 19 12/6/2007 at 03:41 (5,984 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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I never use the rinse & hold cycle, when wedo normal cooking it runs twice a day, if we have guests or make some extensive cooking we run it 3 times... | ||
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Post# 252455 , Reply# 20 12/6/2007 at 09:40 (5,984 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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OK, this is a disappointment
I finally got through to Bosch. They don't have details on this specific model in Munich. The very nice customer service said exactly what others have said above would apply. I'm cutting and pasting here: Intensive : 70C Normal : 65C Eco : 50 Quick : 45 The automatic system does have a different heating pattern and will do a better job on starches because the enzymes are given longer to work at 45 degrees before ramping up to 65 degrees. Sorry I couldn't help you more. | ||
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Post# 252873 , Reply# 22 12/8/2007 at 16:52 (5,981 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California) |
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The idea behind rinse/hold is to help protect items like silverware and stainless, and maybe some glassware/dinnerware, from being corroded by food residue (especially salty or acidic). That said, I've never used it either. Seemed like a waste of water to me. But I might try it next time I have a partial load and don't plan on running the dw until it's full up the next day or two. I also thought that Europe was the one with castrated dw detergents - with little or no phosphates. The 8% phosphorus label on US dw detergents would proably correspond to about 20% or more phosphates - since phosphorus is just part of the phosphate molecule (the rest is sodium and oxygen, as I recall). And I thought that European dw detergents were using phosphonates, which are different from phosphates (and supposedly don't support growth of algae). Anyway, I have a Bosch SHU430C MOL model. Got it for $350 at Sears - it was a customer return. Slight dented but works perfectly. It doesn't have an ECO setting. Just Powerscrub, normal, quick, and rinse hold. I almost always use the Normal setting, which is usually about 100 minutes. I know it has a soil sensor, but haven't timed it with various loads. And I don't pre-rinse the dishes - just dump off the big stuff into the disposer and let it rip. It cleans better than the previous built-in DW I had - a MOL Frigidaire - with much less hassle. And it doesn't send lightweight plastic items flying around the inside of the dw, either. A few years ago Consumer Reports stated that they found that dirt sensor equipped dishwashers could take longer, and use more energy and water, to wash loads than a non-sensor type dishwasher. | ||
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Post# 252877 , Reply# 23 12/8/2007 at 16:58 (5,981 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage) |
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Well those who love phosphate dw detergents in the US may wish to start stocking up. There is a major push going forward by the usual suspects to finally do away with the exemption for the stuff in dw detergents. Recent high marks for "green" dw detergents by such publications as Consumer Reports is adding futher fuel to the fire. L. | ||
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Post# 252883 , Reply# 24 12/8/2007 at 17:16 (5,981 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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