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New GE Top Load Hydrowave Washers

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Post# 251372 11/30/2007 at 22:20 (5,990 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes Anyone see the latest offering from GE in their hydrowave line?? The newest machines now offer the option of a spray rinse only, similar to Fisher & Paykel. You also have the option to do a deep rinse (for those die hard softener users!!) as well as a second rinse. Not sure what the water consumption difference is, but the machines are on the floor in Lowes now. Whirlpool did this a few years back, without much success on the market, if I remember correctly. But how else can manufacturers justify continuing to make top loaders with the water efficiency regulations imposed on them?

Post# 251376 , Reply# 1 11/30/2007 at 22:55 (5,990 days old) by dadoes (TX,�U.S. of A.)
Checkrate/Likes The latest Oasis and/or Cabrio revision does shower/spray rinsing by default. Dunno if it's only the HE models, agitator models, or both.

Post# 251387 , Reply# 2 12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,838 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)
Checkrate/Likes Well, I suppose they can continue to lower the maximum water level until the machine's 3 cu.ft. tub will hold only as much clothing as a Suzy Homemaker washer.

Post# 251389 , Reply# 3 12/31/2069 at 18:00 (19,838 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)
Checkrate/Likes And according to the features list, the TOL Hydro-Wave� washer has a remarkable 41 cycles!

Post# 251399 , Reply# 4 12/1/2007 at 02:40 (5,989 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)
Checkrate/Likes Whirlpool's Resource Saver washer was a recirculating system, like the Catalyst pre-treating cycle on TOL models. It uses a diverter valve and the machine's pump to recirculate water through the clothes while spinning slowly. The reports I heard were pretty good but the machine was a bit ahead of it's time.

Post# 251431 , Reply# 5 12/1/2007 at 06:29 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes DADoeS, I have the agitator model of the Kenmore Oasis. It does a brief spray-rinsing phase before the first spin. Other then that it only does a deep rinse. Also, is this the washer you are talking about AndrewInOrlando? CLICK HERE TO GO TO funguy10's LINK

Post# 251434 , Reply# 6 12/1/2007 at 06:45 (5,989 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes No, that machine is the Harmony with the HydroWash wash system. It has a wash plate, not an agitator. GE's HydroWave has an agitator that makes a 360 degree arc, and is driven directly by the motor, without a transmission. They have 3.5 cu ft tubs.

Post# 251436 , Reply# 7 12/1/2007 at 06:50 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Could you link to it on GE's website?

Post# 251439 , Reply# 8 12/1/2007 at 06:57 (5,989 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)
Checkrate/Likes This is a HydroWave machine. CLICK HERE TO GO TO foraloysius's LINK

Post# 251444 , Reply# 9 12/1/2007 at 07:04 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Also, That machine is not the GE Harmony. The GE Harmony has the curved profile control panel and has a large LCD display. It does have the HydroView Glass Lid and The HydroWash system as well. It also has the HydroHeater water heater. If you want more information on the GE Harmony washer and dryer ask Unimatic1140. He owns the set. That machine is just the "GE Profile High-Efficiency Top-Loader". I think it is the GE version of the Haier Genesis washer. Here is a link to the Haier Genesis Washer and a Picture of the Genesis washer. CLICK HERE TO GO TO funguy10's LINK

Post# 251446 , Reply# 10 12/1/2007 at 07:11 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Foraloysius, I think that machine has been out for a while. I also heard hey are kind of crap. Yes Whirlpool did do that a few years back. It was the Calypso washer. It washed great and it rinsed... not so great.

Post# 251454 , Reply# 11 12/1/2007 at 08:16 (5,989 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)
Checkrate/Likes *Actually, it is....* That machine is indeed the GEHarmony without the touchscreen control panel. Whirlpool's version was called the Resource Saver and it had a traditional DA Agitator. It was out just prior to the Calypso, if memory serves. MRB

Post# 251460 , Reply# 12 12/1/2007 at 09:34 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Well, Let's see about that: Here is the list of the HE Top-Loader washer from GE's website: $999 Est. Retail Price Current Rebate ENERGY STAR� Qualification � Provides less energy waste and lower utility bills 4.0 Cu. Ft. King-Size Stainless Steel Basket � Makes room for more items which means less time doing laundry. Plus, it allows easy access, without a pedestal. HydroWash� System with Infusor� � Achieves frontload wash performance with topload convenience. Saves up to 14 gallons of water per average load and up to 90% energy. HydroView� glass lid � Allows you to view clothes during the cleaning process, without opening the lid or stopping the wash cycle Direct-drive motor with adaptive spin speed combinations � Runs at just the right speed for optimal cleaning results 1010-RPM Spin Speed � Removes more water during the spin cycle to minimize drying time.

Post# 251461 , Reply# 13 12/1/2007 at 09:35 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes 1 And here is the machine's specifications: APPROXIMATE DIMENSIONS (HxDxW) 43 in x 28 1/4 in x 27 in CAPACITY Capacity King-size Total Capacity (cubic feet) 4.00 cu ft FEATURES Control Type Electronic Drive System HydroWash� Energy Star� Qualified Yes HydroView� Glass Lid Yes Wash Mechanism Infusor� Washable Wools Yes Custom Cycles 9 Cycle Countdown LED Cycle Status Lights LED Number of Cycles Multiple Style Top-Load High-Efficiency Wash Basket Type Stainless Steel Wash/Rinse Temperatures 5 Wash/Spin Speed Combinations Multiple Water Levels Automatic Water Temp System RighTemp� Active Wear Cycle Yes Adaptive Capabilities Adaptive Fill Specialty Cycles Yes - My Cycle Whites Yes Colors Yes Comforter Cycle Yes Handwash Yes Heavy Duty Cycle Yes Optional Soil Levels - Heavy Soil Yes Optional Soil Levels - Light Soil Yes Optional Soil Levels - Normal Soil Yes Delicates Cycle Yes 2nd Rinse Yes Delay Start Yes Fabric Softener Dispenser Yes Rinse and Spin (Quick Rinse) Yes Soak Cycle Yes Speed Wash Yes Bleach Dispenser Yes End-of-Cycle Signal Variable ArmorGuard� Protection Yes AutoBalance� Suspension System Yes Lid Opening Top-Loading Maximum Spin Speed 1010 RPM ECONOMICAL / QUIET Quiet Insulation Package Supreme APPEARANCE Color Appearance White Color Appearance Code WW Other Colors Available MG WEIGHTS & DIMENSIONS Overall Depth 28 1/4 in Overall Height 43 in Overall Width 27 in Approximate Shipping Weight 155.00 lb Net Weight (lbs.) 135.00 lb WARRANTY Parts Warranty Limited 1-year entire appliance Limited 5-year suspension rod/spring assembly/main electronic control board/washer lid/cover Limited 10-year outer tub/transmission Limited lifetime of product basket Labor Warranty Limited 1-year entire appliance Warranty Notes For models produced on or after January 1, 2006 See written warranty for full details

Post# 251462 , Reply# 14 12/1/2007 at 09:36 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes I already posted a pic of the white one. So here is the "Titanium" colored one.

Post# 251464 , Reply# 15 12/1/2007 at 09:38 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Here is the features list for the GE Harmony washer: HydroView� glass lid � Allows you to view clothes during the cleaning process, without opening the lid or stopping the wash cycle HydroHeater� � Increases wash temperature to reduce bacteria and provide better cleaning for the really tough stains ENERGY STAR� Qualification � Means less energy waste and lower utility bills LCD touchscreen with English/Spanish option � Users can select English or Spanish-language option as they select dry clothes Direct-drive motor with adaptive spin speed combinations � Runs at just the right speed for optimal cleaning results HydroWash� system with Infusor� � Clean clothes thoroughly and gently, without agitation

Post# 251466 , Reply# 16 12/1/2007 at 09:39 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Here is the machine's specifications: APPROXIMATE DIMENSIONS (HxDxW) 43.10 in x 28.20 in x 27 in CAPACITY Capacity King-size Total Capacity (cubic feet) 4.00 cu ft FEATURES Control Type LCD - Touch Display Option English/Spanish Option Energy Star� Qualified Yes HydroView� Glass Lid Yes Custom Cycles Yes Cycle Countdown with LCD Indicators Cycle Status Lights Display Time Number of Cycles Multiple Style Top-Loading Wash Basket Type Stainless Steel Wash/Spin Speed Combinations Variable Water Levels Automatic Water Temp System RighTemp� HydroHeater� Yes Specialty Cycles Yes - Multiple Whites Yes Colors Yes Dark Colors Yes Easy Care Yes Handwash Yes Optional Soil Levels - Extra Heavy Yes Optional Soil Levels - Extra Light Yes Optional Soil Levels - Heavy Soil Yes Optional Soil Levels - Light Soil Yes Optional Soil Levels - Medium Yes 2nd Rinse Yes Delay Start Yes Extended Spin Yes Fabric Softener Dispenser Yes Power Rinse� Yes PreSoak Yes PreSoak/Extended Spin Yes Quick Rinse (PreWash) Yes Second Rinse Extended Spin Yes Speed Wash Yes Spin Only Yes Stain Wash Stain Inspector� Bleach Dispenser Yes End-of-Cycle Signal Variable ArmorGuard� Protection Yes AutoBalance� Suspension System Yes Color Lid Instructions Display Color Stain Guide / Instructions Stain Guide Front Serviceable Yes Lid Opening Top-Loading Automatic Temperature Control Yes ECONOMICAL / QUIET Quiet Insulation Package Supreme APPEARANCE Color Appearance Dark Platinum WEIGHTS & DIMENSIONS Overall Depth 28.20 in Overall Height 43.10 in Overall Width 27 in Approximate Shipping Weight 155.00 lb Net Weight (lbs.) 135.00 lb WARRANTY Parts Warranty Limited 1-year entire appliance Limited 5-year suspension rod/spring assembly/main electronic control board/washer lid/cover Limited lifetime of product basket Limited 10 year outer tub Labor Warranty Limited 1-year entire appliance Warranty Notes For models produced on or after January 1, 2006 See written warranty for full details

Post# 251467 , Reply# 17 12/1/2007 at 09:40 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Finally here is a picture of the black machine. As you can tell by all this, I highly doubt the two machines are both Harmonies.

Post# 251468 , Reply# 18 12/1/2007 at 09:46 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes About that "Whirlpool Resource Saver" washer, Is this it? This washer is known as the "Whirlpool Catalyst Gold" washer by the guy that posted these videos. This machine debuted the "Catalyst Cleaning Action" and it did come before the Calypso. CLICK HERE TO GO TO funguy10's LINK

Post# 251487 , Reply# 19 12/1/2007 at 13:01 (5,989 days old) by dadoes (TX,�U.S. of A.)
Checkrate/Likes FunGuy, the Calypso, Catalyst, and Resource Saver are three different machines. The Resource Saver was introduced in 1996 and ran a standard agitator-action wash, but did a series of spin-spray rinses. Quoted from the service supplement: The Resource Saver Spray Rinse washer is designed to successfully wash clothes with approximately 35% to 47% less water by using a series of "spray rinses" rather than a "deep rinse" with commonly used in other conventional washers. As water is sprayed on the spinning clothes, they become saturated. The rinse water is then extracted from the spinning clothes and diverted from the basket where it is recirculated and once again, sprayed back on the spinning clothes. Each spray rinse cycle recirculates the rinse water for thirty seconds, after which the detergent laden water is drained from the basket. This occurs six times. Each spray rinse cycle uses approximately one (1) to two (2) gallons of water. In addition, these models are equipped with an Automatic Temperature Control system to minimize the amount of hot water used throughout the wash and rinse cycles. The spray rinse cycle is accomplished through the use of a unique recirculating system, dual vacuum break, a diverter valve, a second pressure switch and an extra pressure dome mounted to the inside back panel of the washer. It had three timer cycles -- Normal wash (which includes the spray rinse sequences), a Soak/Pre-wash cycle which ended with a spin but no rinse, and a separate Rinse & Spin cycle that did a traditional deep-fill rinse or could be used for spin-only.

Post# 251489 , Reply# 20 12/1/2007 at 13:09 (5,989 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)
Checkrate/Likes *Both Harmonies.* They look to be the same machine with different control panels to me. Same capacity. Same max spin speed. What makes you think they are different? MRB

Post# 251507 , Reply# 21 12/1/2007 at 15:10 (5,989 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes You know, I think you are right. They might both be Harmonies but with different control panels. Also DADoeS, do you have more info on the Whirlpool Resource Saver washer or know where I can get more?

Post# 251510 , Reply# 22 12/1/2007 at 15:52 (5,989 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)
Checkrate/Likes *Resource Saver* Found this info.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO mrb627's LINK

Post# 251527 , Reply# 23 12/1/2007 at 18:24 (5,989 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes The Harmony has been re-designed. That is the new unit - a little less radical design, similar to the rear control LG. The Calypso rinses completely differently than the Whirlpool Resource Saver or the GE, and it rinses very well because it combines nutation of the wash plate as part of the rinse. The Resource Saver or the GE can't do that. All they can do is fill with water and agitate, defeating the who water saving feature. The Calypso is a simple fresh water spray while draining followed by two recirc water rinses, so softener users can still do what they always do. Simple test to see how well a washer rinses...dunk a freshly washed towel in water....any soap?

Post# 251529 , Reply# 24 12/1/2007 at 19:19 (5,989 days old) by dadoes (TX,�U.S. of A.)
Checkrate/Likes Calypsos do several different kinds of rinsing actions, in various combinations or sequences depending on the selected cycle. There may be as many as seven water changes (fills or flushes). Remember the famous Whirlpool Seven Rinses! There may be a brief drain and a bleach flush refill as a pseudo-rinse to start it off .. depending on the cycle selected. The 2nd rinse fill typically also flushes the bleach dispenser. Fresh water spray of a couple minutes duration with the pump in drain mode while the basket rotates at 60 RPM. Fill while the pump recirculates and the basket rotates at 60 RPM ... which segues into nutation. Fill accompanied by recirculation and nutation. Nutation may continue for a programmed period after fill is complete, or it may be a very brief rinse with the machine going into drain after a few seconds. The final filled rinse during which the softener dispenser flush occurs has the highest water level of any cycle phase. The final spin may have a fresh water spray at 400 or 500 RPM. Lotsa rinsing!

Post# 251544 , Reply# 25 12/1/2007 at 21:37 (5,989 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes That's great detail Glen...I've been ignoring my Calypso for too long now and letting it do its thing all by itself in the laundry room. To get an idea of how well it does rinse, add one tablespoon of fabric softener to a load of towels. At the end of the cycle, you'll find the scent of the softener evenly distributed among all of the towels, top to bottom.

Post# 251568 , Reply# 26 12/2/2007 at 00:58 (5,989 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes *GE suspension* Nobody on this site has been able to answer my questions as to why GE washers, when their tubs are shaken from side to side (i do this in the stores) makes awful metallic grinding and sqeaking noises. That cannot be a good sound, and poor sign of quality. Do these HydroWave machines (which seem quite expensive) have the same shit suspension?

Post# 251587 , Reply# 27 12/2/2007 at 05:59 (5,988 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)
Checkrate/Likes *All domestic machines here* Have been top hung for 25 years. The noises that the suspension makes is different and if you do swing it to hard by hand, you can get a bang when it hits the cabinet. Normally though, there are some different suspension noises with top hung machines, but nothing I'd call grinding, possibley some squeak type noises. Are they bad noises, or just different to what you're used to?

Post# 251604 , Reply# 28 12/2/2007 at 08:12 (5,988 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)
Checkrate/Likes *GE Harmony* I think some of the confusion about the Harmony machine is that we associate the name Harmony to the wash plate 4.0 cu. ft. machine. It was named so because the washer & dryer are connected via a cable to communicate and therefore work in "harmony". So the new machine posted above has the same wash system as the Harmony but is not one. Ed

Post# 251625 , Reply# 29 12/2/2007 at 11:16 (5,988 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Are you new here? Welcome to the Discuss-O-Mat. And I've known for this whole thread that the other machine was not the GE Harmony. I think it is a GE-Branded version of the Haier Genesis washer.

Post# 251627 , Reply# 30 12/2/2007 at 11:20 (5,988 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)
Checkrate/Likes *suspension* I think any noise in any machine that makes metallic squeaking/grinding noises gives off a BAD perception of quality.

Post# 251661 , Reply# 31 12/2/2007 at 14:42 (5,988 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes FunGuy, you always seem to know so much about everything!! Good for you! Here again, though, you're wrong. The Haier Genesis and the GE pictured are not even remotely the same machine, nor is it sourced by Haier for GE. The GE pictured is a re-deisgned Harmony-type machine, without the connector to the dryer (or the Harmony name). It is built by LG, as is the original Harmony. The Harmony-type dryer is being paired with this machine as a set, without the communication cable to the washer (or the Harmony name), so you can set your own cycle. But it is basically the Harmony washer, wash system, matching dryer, with all the features of the Harmony washer (except the two way communications from the washer to the dryer). It is nothing at all like the Haier Genesis washer, which has a max spin speed of 750 and a completely different type of wash system, and only a 3.5 cu ft capacity, not 4.0 like the Harmony.

Post# 251681 , Reply# 32 12/2/2007 at 17:09 (5,988 days old) by coldspot66 (Plymouth, Mass)
Checkrate/Likes There is a shipping rod that holds the tub still during shipping. Maybe on a display model they haven't removed the rod?? Look at the left or right side of the washer near the floor to see if it is installed. It has a yellow flag attached, reminding you to remove it before operating the washer.

Post# 251792 , Reply# 33 12/3/2007 at 10:44 (5,987 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)
Checkrate/Likes 1 Hydro-Wash seems to be the wash plate machine. Hydro-Wave is the agitator machine hybrid to replace the short, fast stroke transmission that replaced the classic Filter-Flo. This is a belt drive machine, not direct drive.

Post# 251802 , Reply# 34 12/3/2007 at 11:29 (5,987 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes Peter, you're correct. The Hydrowave is belt driven directly from the motor to the agitator shaft. Wash and spin action is controlled by solenoids and wash action occurs via a 360 degree agitator stroke, as opposed to the old style 160 degree fast stroke washers that drove through a transmission. HydroWash machines are the wash plate, Harmony-style washers.

Post# 251806 , Reply# 35 12/3/2007 at 12:02 (5,987 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes So that machine is the HydroWash. Could you post pictures of the HydroWave so I can see it? The GE Appliances website does not seem to list it yet.

Post# 251807 , Reply# 36 12/3/2007 at 12:25 (5,987 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes *GE Hydrowave* This is the Hydrowave washer, not to be confused with the Hydrowash washer, which is the Harmony-style machine pictured above. The Hydrowave has been listed on GE's website for over a year now. CLICK HERE TO GO TO andrewinorlando's LINK

Post# 251871 , Reply# 37 12/3/2007 at 20:21 (5,987 days old) by funguy10 ()
Checkrate/Likes Oh! That's it! I heard those machines are crap. Loud, shaky spins, transmission and motor problems, the list goes on and on.

Post# 251886 , Reply# 38 12/3/2007 at 21:35 (5,987 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes Since these machines don't have transmissions, I'd be curious to know how they have transmission problems?

Post# 251930 , Reply# 39 12/4/2007 at 07:51 (5,986 days old) by estesguy (kansas)
Checkrate/Likes *Gezzzz people,,,,* I own the machine in the link above. The Hydrowave washer replaced the ones with transmissions. The tub and suspension of the machine are the same, but the drive system is totally different. The hydrowave machines use a electronic inverter control board that reverse's the motor back and forth to create the agitation. It is EXTREMELY quiet. To me, it sounds like a battery operated baby swing. The agitation stroke is 270 degrees, I believe. There is one belt from the motor to the drive shaft, but NO transmission. Spin is obtained when a solenoid engages to lock the tub to the same drive mechanism, and the whole assembly spins then. GE still uses the same electric drain pump, which is fairly noisy. As far as suspension noises mentioned by one writer, I don't experience that on my machine, and I also have a 2 year old GE with a transmission, and neither of them 'squeak' or 'grind' when the tub is moved around by hand. I'd say if your machine does that, it needs those parts that hold it up replaced, because they are worn out. GE does still sell an entry level machine with a transmission, but mid line up to top of the line are all hydrowash systems that have been out for a little over a year now.

Post# 251956 , Reply# 40 12/4/2007 at 09:47 (5,986 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes Estesguy - GE claims a full 360 degree agitator stroke on the hydrowave machines. You had mentioned 270 degrees...doesn't yours give you the full 360? Maybe it's just hard to see when it's washing? I have a feeling on some of these machines where people experience suspension "noises", or walking washer syndrome, one or more of the shipping bolts were never removed that hold the tub in place. These do have 'em. And apparently, from talking to GE techs, the machines balance themselves very well during a spin...using the same type of balance ring many other top load machines use (including the Calypso...which I have still never seen go off balance in 7 years...even washing a single pillow.) GE techs claim these machines are very reliable, with few service issues for a new model. The older (late 90's/early 2000) model GE washers with plastic tubs and plastic geared transmissions did not hold up well. These are NOT the same machine in any way, shape or form.

Post# 251985 , Reply# 41 12/4/2007 at 11:34 (5,986 days old) by estesguy (kansas)
Checkrate/Likes *Yup* Yes Andrew, you are correct. If you notice I said "I believe" as I wasn't sure of that particular fact. But all other facts I have stated are correct. The electronic inverter board is mounted on top of the motor and protected with a plastic hood. The machine has no mechanical braking system anymore, so the tub coasts down to a stop, unless the lid is lifted before it stops. If that happens, the motor is energized in the opposite direction of the tub rotation to immediately stop the tub. Spin speed is 630 RPM per GE. These machines are in no way related mechanically to the Harmony series washers. Apples and oranges there my friends. CLICK HERE TO GO TO estesguy's LINK

Post# 251999 , Reply# 42 12/4/2007 at 13:46 (5,986 days old) by andrewinorlando ()
Checkrate/Likes Well, I'm glad GE seems to have a winner with these machines. Less complexity for sure! Would be great if they would introduce a high speed spin to them like they had before with the 850 rpm spin of the previous TOL Profile line.

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