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Thread Number: 14953
Iīm getting a new Diswasher |
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| Post# 253016 , Reply# 1 12/9/2007 at 10:23 (5,980 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California) | ||
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Bosch Ich habe auch Bosch zu Hause. Sechs Jahre Dienst in meiner Kueche ohne Schwierigkeiten. Und sehr ruhig. | ||
| Post# 253026 , Reply# 2 12/9/2007 at 11:48 (5,980 days old) by mrwash () | ||
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The same as mine ;-) | ||
Post# 253091 , Reply# 3 12/9/2007 at 18:24 (5,980 days old) by parunner58  (Davenport, FL) |
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| Post# 253213 , Reply# 4 12/10/2007 at 06:36 (5,980 days old) by bobbyd32l () | ||
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That looks EXACTLY like the Kenmore Elite D/W made by Bosch! LOL Model 16303 | ||
| Post# 253216 , Reply# 5 12/10/2007 at 07:33 (5,980 days old) by lavamat78800 () | ||
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Hehe, the GlassProtect function mixxes calcareous with decalcified water to get the optimal water hardness for washing glasses. If the water is too soft, glasses get blind (as we say in German). | ||
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Post# 253402 , Reply# 6 12/11/2007 at 09:51 (5,978 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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You mean this one?
This is the Kenmore Elite by Bosch. It's a great dishwasher. And yes it sure does look an awful lot like Lavamat's new one. But why do they get all the cool stuff? Glass Protect? That sounds cool as some of my Vintage crystal has become clouded or etched. I wonder if this function would protect from that?
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Post# 253403 , Reply# 7 12/11/2007 at 09:51 (5,978 days old) by chachp (North Little Rock, AR) |
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Here is a close up of the controls. | ||
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Post# 253411 , Reply# 8 12/11/2007 at 10:44 (5,978 days old) by logixx (Germany) |
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GlassProtect
Yeah, they really do look alike. But I think the European baskets are different to the US ones. Also, typical EU dishwashers are about two inches less in hight. GlassProtect, according to Bosch Europe, is a combination of AquaMix, heat exchanger, AquaVario and VarioFlex baskets. AquaMix, as explained, will mix softened and non-softened water; the heat exchanger cools the hot water inside the DW at the end of the main wash and uses the stored heat to pre-warm the rinse water; AquaVario regulates the spray pressure according to soil level (so less soiled glasses will be washed more gently) and the upper and lower VarioFlex baskets are supposed to hold an extra number of glasses - although I don't really think so. Nino, I think you'll really like this dishwasher. We have a similar one by Siemens (with even more features) and I love it - it's just great and much better than the AEG it repleaced. Alex 
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Post# 253493 , Reply# 9 12/11/2007 at 18:00 (5,978 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Glass Protection
Has increasingly become a selling point in Europe because detergents are much more aggressive today than previously. Our water in Europe is, generally speaking, very hard. Hard enough that machines have built in water softeners. The combination of very soft (which means highly aggressive) water and very very aggressive detergents has caused 'glass corrosion' (anal retentives, let's not and say we didn't, ok?) to become visible after only a few washings. US dishwashers don't soften their own water and US detergents, compared to what we have in Europe, are castrated to the point of near uselessness. So glass corrosion isn't a big problem in the US. There are, however, US detergents formulated with protective agents and if you have very soft water and valuable glasses, it is well worth it to use them. Of course, running a full load, not pre-rinsing and not over-dosing the detergent will help here, too. I think Laundress and several others have mentioned those three factors over the years. | ||
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Post# 253503 , Reply# 10 12/11/2007 at 18:53 (5,978 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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Nothing evolves in a vacuum. Many factors come into play. 
Does extremely hard water have some influence over the European penchant for extremely high wash tempertures both in the DW and clothes washer? Does this also influence extremely high spin speeds in washers across the pond, perhaps to avoid mineral build? Or is this mostly the result of the electrical system and the desire to have a plug-and-play (relatively low wattage) dryer that plugs into any ordinary 220v 50hz socket? Similarly reltivley smaller tub/cylinder/drum dimesions necessitate greter speeds to achive a similar g-force /extraction ability. | ||
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Post# 253528 , Reply# 11 12/11/2007 at 21:09 (5,978 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, Thereīs a Lady on Stage) |
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High Wash Temperatures: Hold over from when "boil washing" was pretty much the only way to get laundry done. Either in a copper or early "heated" washing machines. High water temps did several things: Aided soil removal without lots of rubbing and scrubbing, sanitized laundry and killed body vermin (lice, fleas and such), and when combined with perborate bleaches or "Persil" would whiten laundry without the need for chlorine bleach (eau de Javel). High Spin Speeds: While automatic washing machines are common in Europe/UK, dryers were not, even today. For reasons of ecomomics down to space. Thus it is not uncommon to find washing done in an automatic washing machine, but hung to dry on lines, racks, balconies,attics, airing cupboards and even over the furniture. High spin speeds remove much water so laundry dries faster, even without a clothes dryer. The built in WS systems on European washing machines, dishwashers and such mainly protects the internal heaters from scale and lime build up, which can happen fairly quickly in some areas where the water is hard enough to chip teeth. American Automatic Dishwasher Detergents: Let me break this down for you like a fraction,Pathera. We on this side of the pond are NOT living in some third world country. US dishwasher detergents are not by any means "castrated", and work quite well thank you very much. L. | ||
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Post# 253593 , Reply# 12 12/12/2007 at 10:20 (5,977 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Laundres,
I meant no offense. Living between two cultures, I naturally have the opportunity to compare. One tablet German Sunil in my mother's BOL Amana, on Quickwash and everything comes out clean and sparkling. No stuck on egg yolks, no fine spray of potatoes on the glasses, no pasta or cheese stuck to fork tines, no tomato colored plastic containers. The maximum amount of Electrosol, the highest level cleaning program with automatic sensors, temp. boost, etc, et al in my friend's TOL GE (a good dishwasher by anyone's standard) and, if you haven't pre-washed, much less pre-rinsed, you will have a few dirty dishes with now baked on residue at the end of the program. Sorry, but at least in this area, 30%+ phosphates together with enormously more enzymes and far more effective bleaches really do make a difference. And that is why I refer to US detergents as castrated. Compared to what is sold in Europe, they are. Ironically, this all goes back to the original environmental safety concerns of the 1970's. Both cultures approached the eutrophication problem from different angles. Europe, at first, ignored the problem until it could no longer be avoided. Then, sewage treatment facilities were built which could handle phosphates. The US forbade or minimized them. Americans, in those days, were far ahead of Europe in such things and already had enormous investments in the infrastructure. People also believed that it would be possible to easily replace the phosphates with effective but environmentally safe alternatives. This has proved, sadly, to be a pipe-dream. It is hard not to compare things and I get a lot of shit from US friends and family who have not traveled or lived abroad for it. I don't know what to do. Shut my mouth and see a great nation continue to slip behind Europe in so many ways? If it helps to expunge my sins and transgressions, the happiest six months of my education were spent student-teaching in the Bronx... | ||
| Post# 253608 , Reply# 13 12/12/2007 at 11:37 (5,977 days old) by lavamat78800 () | ||
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SUNIL Sunil is a german laundry detergent, not a detergent to wash dishes. | ||
| Post# 253621 , Reply# 14 12/12/2007 at 12:58 (5,977 days old) by lavamat78800 () | ||
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BTW The machine is delivered on Thursday between 9 am and 2 o clock | ||
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Post# 253637 , Reply# 15 12/12/2007 at 14:23 (5,977 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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Right, | ||
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Post# 253672 , Reply# 17 12/12/2007 at 18:08 (5,977 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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It's just | ||
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Post# 254088 , Reply# 18 12/14/2007 at 09:56 (5,975 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Nino, Congratulations on the new dishwasher! That's a very nice one! If I ever need a new one a Bosch is a serious option. But right now my AEG is still chugging along very nicely. I agree that the Somat tabs are great, they aren't sold in the Netherlands, but the German border is not that far away. But a while ago Dreft tabs were introduced in the Netherlands and because of all the promotions I got some for a pretty bargain. I must say I really like them. I too am not a fan of all in one tabs, I still use salt and rinse agent. They have classic powder tabs, I think I will stick with them. At least for a while ofcourse... 
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