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High Water Level in Frigidaire FL
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Post# 59638   3/10/2005 at 11:16 (6,958 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        

I know quite a few front loaders fans here lament that the modern FL machines do not fill above the bottom of the door. Well this may be good new for you... On the 3.5 cu.ft. Frigidaire FL's there is a note in the operataing instructions that warns you that you cannot open the door at anytime during the "Delicate,Handwash,Wool and Bulky" cycle settings. The water level is high enough to spill out of the washer if the door is opened. So it seems we can have some dramatic front loader wash action again. I included the link below. Happy Washing!!

Christopher


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Post# 59651 , Reply# 1   3/10/2005 at 12:36 (6,958 days old) by Mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
HE3 & HE4's FILL

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On those same cycles on these two new machines, I get the water level above the door. The more gentle cycle selected, the higher the water leverl

Steve


Post# 59657 , Reply# 2   3/10/2005 at 15:08 (6,958 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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My Duet does this on the Soak cycle too, the WP versions are smart enough not to let the machine door lock release until it has drained the water completely. The delicate and handwash cycles aren't as fun with higher water levels because the tumble is very slow and "gentle" so there isn't as much splashing and sloshing. When I've augmented the rinse or wash cycles on Normal, Heavy Duty and WW, the tumbling isn't fast enough to lift the clothes out of the water, they just sort of roll around...

Post# 59660 , Reply# 3   3/10/2005 at 15:32 (6,958 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        

Awww and here I thought there would be some drama restored to the FL's. Well I guess not. :(

Christopher


Post# 59670 , Reply# 4   3/10/2005 at 17:25 (6,958 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Gotta love Bendix and Westinghouse!

My '93 "Dual-Tumble" is the closest thing to a high-water Frigemore...splashy, quiet, and a decent spin too!


Post# 59714 , Reply# 5   3/10/2005 at 23:36 (6,957 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

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Hi Austin
Do you know the spin rpm's on your FL?


Post# 59800 , Reply# 6   3/11/2005 at 23:47 (6,956 days old) by westytoploader ()        

I heard that the "potato-pulley" machines aren't very good at extracting water...I'd like to find one so I can test this theory out. My "Dual-Tumble" machine, which uses an AEG servo-motor (more reliable but no solenoids...darn :( ), does a decent job at extraction, which really surprised me.

I don't know the actual spin speed, but I'm assuming it is around 600 RPM; maybe a little higher. I wouldn't call it a speed demon, but it doesn't leave the clothes soaking wet either. The sound of the servo-motor revving up to high spin speed is really neat to hear...doesn't sound like a Frigemore at all, and a very quick "distribution phase" to boot!

--Austin


Post# 59802 , Reply# 7   3/11/2005 at 23:50 (6,956 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
F/L Drama

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All is not lost for the drama in a F/L Duet anyway, on the soak cycle, there is lots of splashing and tumble drama - and it goes on for a whole 30 minutes.

Post# 59865 , Reply# 8   3/12/2005 at 20:01 (6,955 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

For a modern FL, my AEG has *lots* of drama. Deep rinses, a recirculation pump, and filling while spinning the drum at 100rpm... in fact, I'll make some videos of doing my bedlinen tomorrow (Sunday) to prove that not all modern FLs are boring :-). Unfortunately on the Bosch you cant see the water at any part of the cycle :-(.

Send your requests to my email if you'd like to see vids of my AEG drama :-)

Take care guys,

Jon


Post# 59866 , Reply# 9   3/12/2005 at 20:03 (6,955 days old) by westytoploader ()        

When everything's hooked up I'll make some videos of my "Dual Tumble" in action.

Post# 59868 , Reply# 10   3/12/2005 at 20:55 (6,955 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Yay!!! OT, but what do you record your videos with Austin? I'm planning to use my laptop with webcam and a microphone hooked up, although my digi cam can do 30 sec video clips with sound, but the quality's fairly poor.

Although the spin cycle sounds cool (much like a helicopter revving up) on the Bosch, the wash and rinse phases are boring, simply because the water doesn't reach above the door. Does fine with rinsing performance etc, and I guess it'll do fine for the average Mrs Housewife (such as my mum LOL), but for us who want washer drama it's just plain boring! That's why I like my AEG - it give you the option of the high performance but low water level cycles (although I hardly use them), but also options of deeper water levels, length of spin time etc, and also length of wash time. Possibilities are endless and result is lots of washer drama :-). Besides, anybody who thinks 39l is going to wash and rinse a load of laundry then they've got another thing coming...

Take care all,

Jon


Post# 59869 , Reply# 11   3/12/2005 at 21:18 (6,955 days old) by westytoploader ()        

I have an Olympus 7.1 Megapixel digital camera that records 30 fps video clips with sound, which is good quality.

Check out the videos I recorded of my Maytag in action on the "Orbital Maytag Videos" thread.

--Austin


Post# 59871 , Reply# 12   3/12/2005 at 21:32 (6,955 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        
Drama!

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I washed three small scatter rugs in my Frigidaire FL today, and there was PLENTY of drama. Lots of suds and splashing, rugs flailing around. Fun!

Post# 59903 , Reply# 13   3/13/2005 at 22:32 (6,954 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Westy Space-Mates

From reading various posts, it's apparent that at sometime in history White-Westinghouse chagned from the "potato-pulley" system to a reversing motor? When did this happen?

Post# 59919 , Reply# 14   3/14/2005 at 06:55 (6,954 days old) by Jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Can't Access the Link

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Hey Neptuneguy: the Link you specified is to an "ftp" site and it asks for password and account information. How do we see this site?

Jet


Post# 59926 , Reply# 15   3/14/2005 at 08:23 (6,954 days old) by neptuneguy27 (Baltimore,MD)        
Can't access site...

Jet,

I am not sure what is going on with the link...It was working the other day when I posted it. Now that I try it again, it says the website is unavailable. It was just a link to the Operating Instructions for the Frigidaire GLTF2940 on their site. I will post the link again and hopefully it stays working this time.

Chris


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Post# 59936 , Reply# 16   3/14/2005 at 10:46 (6,954 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Is the potato pulley operated by a banana belt?
Signed,
Resident Smart*ss


Post# 60761 , Reply# 17   3/21/2005 at 04:30 (6,947 days old) by programcomputer (Ann Arbor Michigan, USA)        
Potato Pulley to Reversing Motor...

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Hi,

My research has told me that it was somewhere about 1995-96 the WCI people (or Pre-Frigidaire) discarded the old Westinghouse/WCI version who's basic mechanism went back to 1956 for the Spacemates , and 1959 for the Laundromat's.

Frigidiare introduced their newest version in 1997 according to company documents. I find it hard to believe that a year went by with out any new FL machines, by this company so My guess is that they wound down production on the older system,and then ramped up production of the newer models after all the initial bugs had been worked out.

I have both, a potato pulley Westinghouse Spacemate Set, and a late model Frigidaire FL set with rear backslash controls. I will agree that the newer set leaves clothing especially blankets and such much drier, than the older set, but I do not agree with those who feel that the older system leaves their clothes sopping wet.

I replaced all the belts on my Spacemates and this did make a difference. As with any machine, age and "frequency of use", and as motors age, they do tend to loose their spunk if you will...and I feel personally that these are the deciding factors as to how fast they spin.

My set has to be from just before it changed over to White-Westinghouse becasue the manuf. tag on the front panel behind the look in door says Westinghouse Appliance Division, Mansfield Ohio. but then on the inner paper that shows the wiring diagram it says White-Westinghouse, a division of White Consolidated Industries?

Anyway, my older set does fill up with much more water than my newer set does. In fact I adjusted the WLC switch so it would fill up higher than originally specified. I have it set still where the water comes up just to the edge of the door boot and whilst agitating looks like it's much fuller than you think especially when you add in the suds factor.

BUT apparantly becasue of Austin's Dual Tumble machine they must have intro'd the new style earlier...because I have never seen a Westinghouse designed machine agitate both ways so i guess the idea is that it was sometime in the mid 1990's that this occured.

Or did Westinghouse have two styles of inner mechanisms, and i just don't know this? Becasue my Westinghouse printed repair master from 63 and my later one from 74 show the same meachnism's for all machines, the three belt potato pulley system....

Anyone care to fill in the gaps?

Thanks

Chad


Post# 60762 , Reply# 18   3/21/2005 at 04:36 (6,947 days old) by programcomputer (Ann Arbor Michigan, USA)        
oh yeah one more thing....

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Yes,

I forgot to add, that even my new machine shows lots of action for being a modern day Frigidiare product. I did kinda adjust the plastic WLC (Water level control) with a phillips screwdriver so it fills higher than it did when I got it.

I realize that it's set that way by the manufacturer for a reason, but It has done nothing to the mecahnism, and it's been operating with this "higher water level" now for over a year. This makes larger items more immersed, and I feel that it washes slightly better than when it was set at "factory".

Anyway that's what I wanted to add to my first post....

Chad


Post# 60766 , Reply# 19   3/21/2005 at 07:46 (6,947 days old) by designgeek ()        

Woo-hoo, I never knew that the WLCs could be adjusted in the field. Hmm! This lends itself to possibilities.

Reduce water level at early part of wash cycle to produce more concentrated detergent/water solution for getting out tough dirt, and then increase it at midpoint of wash cycle to float away the aforementioned dirt.

Increase water level at first rinse to get more suds out of the load; decrease it at subsequent rinses as the need declines proportionally.

I suppose someone at one of the FL manufacturers has already thought of these possibilities and embodied them in their higher-end machines' programs. But if not, there's room for hacking.



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