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Two more Simpson Push Button Fluid Drives for the collection!
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Post# 254626   12/17/2007 at 02:40 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        

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Hey guys,

I got another response from one of my wanted adverts for the 2 Simpson Push Button Fluid Drives you see below:

I actually wasn't expecting the model on the left: considering i already have one, but have decided to buy it anyway as i was going to use one as a lighting display.

The one on the right hand side is the 1970 Four Speed Programmed model without the rapid advance timer: Yes, it needs a new lid (which i have a spare of) and new hoses, but the seller (who used to be a repairman) said its working fine. Both of these machines have been sitting in the garage for the past decade. This 1970 will match the side by side dryer i already have...pictured below.

The pictures aren't the best as again, its from a disposable camera. Am considering stopping in to view the machines and take better pics on my way down to Victoria to pick up the Orbital Kelvinator over the xmas/new year break.

In all, not bad for AU$100.00 for the both machines!!!

Cheers
Leon






Post# 254628 , Reply# 1   12/17/2007 at 02:42 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Another pic

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The interior of the 1970 Fluid Drive 13-076

Post# 254629 , Reply# 2   12/17/2007 at 02:44 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Another pic

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Interior of the 1966 Fluid Drive A048

Post# 254630 , Reply# 3   12/17/2007 at 02:45 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Another pic

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1966 and 1970 Fluid Drives side by side

Post# 254631 , Reply# 4   12/17/2007 at 02:46 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Another pic

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Different view of the Control Panel

Post# 254632 , Reply# 5   12/17/2007 at 02:47 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Matching Dryer

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Here's the control panel of the matching dryer to the 1970 Fluid Drive

Post# 254633 , Reply# 6   12/17/2007 at 02:48 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Another Dryer pic

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Another control panel pic

Post# 254651 , Reply# 7   12/17/2007 at 07:03 (5,946 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Very interesting machines Leon, just wondering if they have lighted consoles? The tub on the machine on the right is really cool.

Post# 254659 , Reply# 8   12/17/2007 at 08:09 (5,946 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Leon - what a great score on the Simpsons. Isn't it fun to find the matching machines to complete the sets?

Silly question that may have been covered before, are those wash-tubs porcelain or some other material? I love the ribs, I'll bet those can really scrub the clothes combined with that big agitator!


Post# 254663 , Reply# 9   12/17/2007 at 08:34 (5,946 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Very kool. The console of the one from the '70's remind me of our mid-sixties Norge's and Philco's. Would love to see those in action!

Post# 254671 , Reply# 10   12/17/2007 at 09:10 (5,946 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Very handsome machines! Congrats!

Post# 254677 , Reply# 11   12/17/2007 at 09:56 (5,946 days old) by aldspinboy (Philadelphia, Pa)        

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Very nice !! I guess the ribes in the basket enhances water extraction. Leon do you now about the basket & the features of the machines? The agitator always reminds me of kelvinator machines,have a good time with them. Darren k

Post# 254683 , Reply# 12   12/17/2007 at 11:04 (5,946 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
Such nice Xmas presents

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Is there an American machine that is equivalent to the Simpson? Is it a Speed Queen? Is that the same agitator we see in the Wizard ?

Love the mile high control board.


Post# 254746 , Reply# 13   12/17/2007 at 15:36 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Lighted Consoles? Inner Tub Lining?

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Terry: The machine on the left has a lighted console, but not the one on the right.See attached pic of my other machine with the light on.

Gansky: The inner tub lining is actually made of plastic and comes apart from the porcelain inner tub in 3 pieces for cleaning. And yes: it was great to complete the set: ive had the Dryer for over a year.

MickeyD: Yes, the mechanicals in these Simpson's are the same as the early Fluid Drive Speed Queens.

Alspinboy: Will attach the cycle times etc from the service manual later today.

Leon


Post# 254750 , Reply# 14   12/17/2007 at 15:52 (5,946 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

OMG!

I just got to work and now I have to go home to change my pants! Might as well have a cold shower too!

Very exciting to see these machines.

There is another one that I think is special, I saw one on the side of the road once but it was only the outside shell, most mechanical parts had been removed. It was similar to the 1970 model but had a baby blue control panel with big white knob and push buttons similar to the 1973/4 series.

Congratulations!

May I ask where these machines are coming from?


Post# 254751 , Reply# 15   12/17/2007 at 16:00 (5,946 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Sounds like the series after this one Ash

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Hey Ash,

Thanks! You're thinking of the series that came after this one with the model numbers 13-096 - 13-099, there were 2 styles, with Blue or Brown control panels.The age is about right: 1973.

These came from rural Victoria which has been a good hunting ground for me.

I am on a mission now to try and find a "Fabulous 89"!

Leon


Post# 254778 , Reply# 16   12/17/2007 at 18:14 (5,946 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Leon, congratulations. Can't wait to read the cycle times from the service manual. and aren't matched sets wonderful? See, another example of good dryer karma. Ya will find the matching washer eventually if ya get the dryer first. Bob

Post# 254800 , Reply# 17   12/17/2007 at 19:01 (5,946 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Wow Leon - these are two beautiful machines! I can only imagine the wash action with those amazing liners in the tubs - too cool.

Ben


Post# 254805 , Reply# 18   12/17/2007 at 19:24 (5,946 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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GORGEOUS machines!

What is the heater's wattage of a typical Aussie dyrer? Highest? Lowest? Thanks!

Since Aussie washers are so much like Americam and Canadian washers, I'm wondering if the dryers are high wattage like ours with a dedicated heavy-duty electrical line required, or if they are lower wattage plug-n-play types as European and UK models are. (Which get pluged into any ordinary power-point/outlet/socket).

Thank you!


Post# 254810 , Reply# 19   12/17/2007 at 19:43 (5,946 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Beautiful Machines Leon

They look fabulous as usual :)

Steve,

Dryers that take up more than a standard 60cm x 60cm form factor are usually 20amps 4800watts. These require a dedicated 20amp plug and circuit. The toploading F&P dryer needs 32amps and must be hardwired. The only other 32amp circuit in the average house would be for an electric cooktop and oven.

There were some early UK Euro dryers that came here in the 70's that had a 13amp requirement and had to be installed on a dedicated 15amp circuit, however these days they are all converted to 10amps before arriving on our shores.

Regards

Nathan


Post# 254820 , Reply# 20   12/17/2007 at 20:18 (5,946 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Thank you.
Care to say which is most prevalent?

Here we find:
220v 30a line for the vast majority; full-sized machines
220v 20a line for stationary comapct machines. (special line)
120v 20a line for portable compact electric dryers and gas-fired dryers. (All of the gas and some of the electrics may be used on a 120v 15a line.) of coyrse 120v is ordinary line voltage for us.


Post# 254822 , Reply# 21   12/17/2007 at 20:25 (5,946 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

Hi Steve,

99% of dryers sold here have a capcity of 3.5-5.5kg and run at 2400w 240v 10amps. These sell in the tens of thousands per year, these dryers cost from $300AUD up to $3000AUD for the High end Miele.

Speed queen, Kleenmaid and Maytag sell large capacity machines that run on 20amp 240v 4800w. F&P Sell the 32amp TL Dryer. These dryers would sell in the hundreds per year and cost >$1500AUD

Most houses arent wired for a 20amp dryer.

Regards

Nathan


Post# 254825 , Reply# 22   12/17/2007 at 20:37 (5,945 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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The toploading F&P dryer needs 32amps and must be hardwired.
Interesting. My US version F&P SmartLoad is rated 24A and is connected with a standard 30A dryer cord.


Post# 254831 , Reply# 23   12/17/2007 at 20:59 (5,945 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

I dont know why the F&P is rated so high, it makes it very hard to install in most houses.

With an 62 or 80amp service it takes a fair bit of capacity unless you use gas for cooking.


Post# 254835 , Reply# 24   12/17/2007 at 21:20 (5,945 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
F & P Topload Dryer

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A retail store here..."Goodguys Warehouse", which Nathan will know are clearing out the topload F & P dryer as its not selling very well, mainly as more people here in Oz are buying front load washers and want a compact dryer they can stack on top. A lot of laundries here in Oz are not designed for a side by side washer/dryer pair.

I was quoted AU$999.00 on the dryer down from AU$1499.00!! When i realised it needed to be hardwired, i thought no thanks.

The Simpson dryer in this thread will need a 20amp plug when it gets installed.

Leon


Post# 254849 , Reply# 25   12/17/2007 at 22:26 (5,945 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks Leon, That machine is just beautiful with her console all aglow!!! Terry

Post# 254863 , Reply# 26   12/18/2007 at 00:10 (5,945 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

Leon, The 1970 model was tested in the 1971 Choice and lists full specifications for this machine. I shall have to post it to you.

If you ever had to many fluid drives I am always happy to take one off you, for a fair price of course, just let me know!

I also have to follow up with you a motor for my 1970 Simpson which looks a lot like yours.


Post# 254867 , Reply# 27   12/18/2007 at 00:33 (5,945 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Cycle Times for Bob

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Hey Bob,

Attached are the cycle times for both machines. The first sheet is for the machine on the left: with the lighted console and all push buttons.

Leon


Post# 254868 , Reply# 28   12/18/2007 at 00:36 (5,945 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Cycle Times 2

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This is the sheet which shows the cycle times for the machine on the right with the control knob.

Ash,

Haven't forgotten about you: will weight up the motor and let you know how much to post and would appreciate the Choice article: email me for my address. I will certainly keep you in mind if i want to part with any Fluid Drives in the future...or any of the other Simpsons I have.

Leon


Post# 254881 , Reply# 29   12/18/2007 at 03:05 (5,945 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Wow

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Well done Leon, what clean lines & styling on those new machines, love the Timelines, AND, lighted control panels etc, they are really gonna light up your Laundry Studio when its all sorted...BTW..How Big is this space gonna have to be with all these machines you are aquiring...LOL

I`ve never seen a programme chart give so much clear information as on the timeline etc, plenty of scope to wash even plastics & rubbers!!!

Cheers, Mike

p.s. half way through the Servis Manual, ...thanks!!


Post# 254885 , Reply# 30   12/18/2007 at 04:04 (5,945 days old) by mayfan69 (Brisbane Queensland Australia)        
Glad you like the manual Mike

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Hey Mike,

Thanks! Glad you like the manual: will email you the actual instruction manual for a Mark 22 soon.

I'm going to have to have a pretty big garage methinks!!

Cheers
Leon


Post# 254934 , Reply# 31   12/18/2007 at 06:32 (5,945 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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~Interesting. My US version F&P SmartLoad is rated 24A and is connected with a standard 30A dryer cord.


I'm thinking that the wattages (US/ AUS) are the same. It's probably just that the nearest ameperage over 20a there is 32a.

My understanding is that in some lands with 220v ordinary line voltage, there aren't really outlet configurations (for in-home use) of high amperage draws, thus the need to hardwire.

Although there are industiral-grade plugs and sockets, they are said to be VERY pricey.


Post# 254991 , Reply# 32   12/18/2007 at 11:09 (5,945 days old) by mickeyd (Hamburg NY)        
I can't believe the beauty of the machine in the post wi

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It's just such eye candy--tremendous, and like Mike, I've never seen a chart so detailed and satisfying right down to the Suds--YAY

Someone over at Simpsons REALLY loved washing machines, right down to the manual.

Thank You, Leon. What great reading treats to go with lunch.

Someday, I'd love to see that unique agitator in action.


Post# 255085 , Reply# 33   12/18/2007 at 20:33 (5,944 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Those are really cool looking machines! Congrats!

Post# 255089 , Reply# 34   12/18/2007 at 20:51 (5,944 days old) by nasadowsk ()        

Interestingly, the electric codes in the US now require the use of plugs, for everything. Even dishwashers.

Post# 255094 , Reply# 35   12/18/2007 at 21:15 (5,944 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Can we assume that a DW must be plugged in somewhere that is not directly behind the machine (i.e. inaccessible?)

Post# 255112 , Reply# 36   12/18/2007 at 22:08 (5,944 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Dishwasher socket behind the Dishwasher

Is a huge no-no here.

They warn that because you could push the dishwasher into the plug and bend it outside of specifications or half remove it from the socket, which could then result in overheating. It has to be accessible and is usually in an adjacent cupboard. Garbage disposals are usually plugged into a switched outlet which is then switched on the wall.

I think the reason we hardwire High Amperage appliances, is that with 240V we have so few of them and there is no need for a 25amp plus connector domestically.

Most Australians dont move their stove and oven with them, they stay in place until they fail or you rennovate. Everything else that 99% of the population buys excluding water heaters and built in airconditioners are rated at 10amps or less. That's why the high amperage plugs are so expensive because there are so few homes that use them.

The legislation varies from time to time as to whether the stove and oven need an easily accessible isolator or whether the fusebox is enough.


Post# 255150 , Reply# 37   12/19/2007 at 06:26 (5,944 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Didn't someone here once post a pic that included an electric (storage-type) hot water heater that was plug-and-cord connected?

Bizarre!


Post# 255151 , Reply# 38   12/19/2007 at 06:30 (5,944 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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~99% of dryers sold here have a capcity of 3.5-5.5kg and run at 2400w 240v 10amps.

How long does a 10amp dryer take?

1- top-loader load (medium spin, say?
2- front loader (fast spin, say)?

TYVM


Post# 255232 , Reply# 39   12/19/2007 at 13:45 (5,944 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

In a vented dryer, a load of towels out of a Belt Drive Whirlpool takes about 90 to 100 minutes with a 10 minute cooldown on hot.

From the Miele with an 1800RPM spin the same load takes about an hour.

In the Air condensor Miele, it takes about 2 hours when coming from the FL machine. I tried drying one load out of a GE FF and I had to empty the condensate container mid cycle as there was so much water to remove, and it took almost 3 hours.

(Load consists of 4 towels, 2 bathmats, 2 facewashers, 2 handtowels and 6 Teatowels.) This isnt a full load in the 5.5kg Miele FL machine.



Post# 255240 , Reply# 40   12/19/2007 at 15:18 (5,944 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        
dishwasher plug in

Interesting that someone mentioned this. Just finishing up(well almost) building a new house. In the kitchen where the dishwashers are going, the electrician put in an electrical outlet for the dishwashers and garbage disposal, I asked what they were for and he said it was code now. So in all of my whit and wisdom, I said won't it be hard to unplug it if there is a problem? He motioned my eyes to the wall above the counter and said thats what these 3 switches are for, one for each diswasher and one for the garbage disposal, so I guess this is how it is now in new construction. The dishwasher in my present house is hard wired with no shutoff, besides the circuit breaker. Garbage disposal is hard wired to a switch under the sink cabinet. Come to think of it the new garage door opener has a plug on it. The old one was hard wired, so I guess the installer put an outlet there for the new one. Central vac same thing has plug for it and another for the accessories. Hmmm me sees a pattern here.... Anyone else have some newer things in their homes that are now plug in versus previously hardwired?
Jon


Post# 255241 , Reply# 41   12/19/2007 at 15:22 (5,944 days old) by retro-man (- boston,ma)        
sorry about wrong forum

sorry people just got carried away with this and just posted to this thread, I know it should have been in the "yellow room" Please forgive me, sometimes shouldn't type after playing with my little thc friends.
jon



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