Thread Number: 15269
Kitchenaid Imperial Dishwasher-WaterSaver IV |
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Post# 257298 , Reply# 1   1/2/2008 at 18:30 (5,929 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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She may be right. Many KA brand machines stop the pump early in the cycle to heat the water, then resume the cycle. Also yes the KA timer turns easily to the end of the dry cycle. Popping open the handle /door-latch advances the timer another click or so, at which point it again moves freely. My mother wanted a KA in the early 90's and they were not available in stores. An old-age home behind my aparment buildng was throwing away three DW-ers simultaneously, so I rescued a MOL KA, scrubbed it and installed it. Figuring they worked, but were sim;y being renewed. She never did get the hang of the timer and its ways. I eneded up replacing it with a new WP. She claimed the machine would not start for her. It worked fine for me when I ran it for the holidays she was hosting. |
Post# 257301 , Reply# 2   1/2/2008 at 18:38 (5,929 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 257308 , Reply# 3   1/2/2008 at 19:07 (5,929 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Louis, first of all, the correct name is Energy Saver IV. Second, the timer is doing exactly what it's supposed to do. The timer had a built-in "stop" once it completed the cycle. After the handle was raised at the end of the cycle, the timer energized and advanced a slight bit from off to the start position automatically. This was done so that when you pushed a button, the machine started immediately. Third, it's normal, from friends that have had this same series of KitchenAids, for the cycle to take up to 2 hours. The machine heated the water to 150 degrees 2 to 3 times during the cycle and it's pauses to do so were lengthy if incoming water temperature wasn't very high. The machine sounds like it's functioning perfectly normal.
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Post# 257314 , Reply# 5   1/2/2008 at 19:19 (5,929 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Yes, this is all very normal. This was the last of the KitchenAids that didn't have the reversing motor. So, it started by filling with water while the pump ran. Then after the fill period, it stopped and heated the water. That first fill took a very long time to heat the water if you didn't run the hot water at the sink first until the water ran hot at the faucet. I had friends who had a Superba version of this, and also some friends with the same machine your mom has, where it did this sequence, fill & circulate water at the same time, the pause to heat the water. And the water heating light will glow while it's heating. It's also normal for you to hear hissing and such noises while it's heating because the water is getting hot. Once the 150 degree tempeerature is reached, it will let the timer begin to advance again and it will start circulating water again. The 19 series (Energy Save IV) didn't stay on the market but about 3 years because customers were not used to the cycle taking so long.
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Post# 257365 , Reply# 7   1/2/2008 at 22:56 (5,929 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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My mom had the EnergySaver IV Superbra19 series for 25 years. These models did not have a drying heater. They were made for about a year and a half. In the first water fill and the last rinse the water would heat to 150 degrees. In the first fill it should take about 15 to 20 minutes max to heat the water to 150. And in the last rinse 8 to 10 minutes max to heat to 150. Given the temperature is about 120 going into the machine. If it is taking longer than that their is probably a problem with the thermostat. The last year my mom had the machine their was a problem with the heater and she used the fast wash cycle only exclusive to the superbra model. The drying was not great because it depended on the last rinse heated water to dry the dishes with the fan no heat dry which was about a 40 minute drying period. When we started to use Jet Dry the performance improved drastically. The cycle time was about 2 hours and in those days that was unheard of. When we had people over and we needed the dishes in a hurry we would open the door after the final rinse and flash dry them. I think also at that time only the superbra and pratican models had a jetdry dispenser. So drying performance on the imperial and custom models probably couldn't be improverd. It was a very good dishwasher and the cleaning was outstanding. But KitchenAid got smart after that and put the drying heater back in on the 20 series after many complaints. That one heated the first water fill only. I never understand why they didn't use the water heating for just the main wash portion, it would have made more sense. They should have designed the 19 and 20 series machines like the 18 series and had the main wash heat to 140 and that would have solved the problem and used much less electricity. Oh well we should have been the Engineers. Peter |
Post# 257372 , Reply# 8   1/3/2008 at 03:54 (5,929 days old) by qsd-dan (West)   |   | |
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Post# 257391 , Reply# 10   1/3/2008 at 08:32 (5,929 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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The 19 series was produced from August 1979 through February 1981 - the shortest run of any KA model line. The non-heated drying was one of the biggest complaints, as well as the extended cycle times for heating the water. The 19 series heated the final rinse water to aid in drying but that system caused filming of glassware that was also despised by owners. The 800 watt heater for drying returned in the 20 series as well as the water heating in the first fill in models with the "Sure Temp" designation.
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Post# 257412 , Reply# 11   1/3/2008 at 10:18 (5,928 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Hi Greg, In our 19 series we never had a problem with glassware filming. It was just the long cycle time and the poor drying performance. But at least after using jet dry their was a major improvement. Yes Tom Whirlpool had the better idea with the optional water heating in the main wash and rinse. Even with the later KA models when they put the drying heater back you still couldnt adjust weather or not you wanted water heat. In the later 80's when ISE started to produce the KA dishwashers under their name they came up with a better water heating system. The main wash would heat the water to 140 unless you selected energy saver wash. Than the lower priced KA models were simular fuction. But the TOL KA models still had that first water fill water heat. And that stayed till the very end of the series. Even though the KA water heating sequences were screwed up I wish they still made those well constructed machines. Peter |
Post# 257497 , Reply# 13   1/3/2008 at 18:56 (5,928 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)   |   | |
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Post# 257542 , Reply# 14   1/3/2008 at 20:13 (5,928 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 257566 , Reply# 15   1/3/2008 at 22:27 (5,928 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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Hi Gary, These KA dishwashers all had a no heat dry. Only made for about a year in a half. The last rinse was always a sani rinse so that was supposed to enable the dishes to dry. The drying phase was about 40 minutes long. The fan would cycle on and off for about 20 minutes and than the last 20 minutes the fan would stay at a constant. It probably would have worked better if the tub was SS. But like I said the Jetdry did make the difference. Peter |