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Which Magazine January Test Results |
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| Post# 257798 1/5/2008 at 06:20 (5,949 days old) by chrisbsuk (Bristol, uk) | ||
I have just received the January issue of Which magazine, with the up to date washing machine test results. I don’t have a scanner, so cant scan it in; shout if you want to know how any model got on. High level view is: Their Top 5 Best Buys were (as Which’s Order): Zanussi – Electrolux ZWF14581 Whirlpool SCW1012 (large capacity) John Lewis JLWM1407 John Lewis JLWM1203 Miele Prestige Plus At the very bottom of the pile was the Hoover 8122 Vision HD, with test score of 43% and 28th out of 28 machines on test The Aqualtis came 16th, Insight came 7th and the Indesit Moon came 17th Please feel free to get in touch for any more info!! Cheers Guys Chris | ||
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| Post# 257894 , Reply# 1 1/5/2008 at 13:48 (5,948 days old) by mrx () | ||
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What's the methodology employed by Which? It looks like Electrolux via all of their brands have done quite well... Any further details on the Aqualtis range? Which models were tested etc? (Vested interest as I own an Aqualtis AQGD 169S - 8KG Silver 1600 RPM) 
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| Post# 257899 , Reply# 2 1/5/2008 at 14:48 (5,948 days old) by dj-gabriele () | ||
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Wow! Cool looking machine! | ||
Post# 257907 , Reply# 3 1/5/2008 at 15:44 (5,948 days old) by mrboilwash  (Munich,Germany) |
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| Post# 257916 , Reply# 4 1/5/2008 at 16:13 (5,948 days old) by chrisbsuk (Bristol, uk) | ||
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Mr X: they tested 2 aqualtis machines - your one (the 8kg model) came 16th and the 7.5kg model, with 1200 spin came 21st. They have mentioned that to get decent results from this machine, you have to select the White's cycle for everything, and reduce the temp accordingly. the other cycles are designed for light soiling i.e. sweat. Hotpoint have been interviewed for this report and agree with Which's findings; although i guess their tests are far more harsh than what the average machine would have to deal with on a daily basis Mr Boilwash: The best machine on test for rinsing was the Indesit Moon!!! it was the only machine to get 5 stars - nothing got four stars then it was Miele, LG, Servis, AEG who got three stars. Two stars were Whirlpool, Electra, Candy, One star was Hoover, Maytag, Hotpoint Aqualtis, Zanussi, John Lewis | ||
| Post# 257924 , Reply# 5 1/5/2008 at 16:24 (5,948 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom) | ||
dyson contrarotator | ||
| Post# 257968 , Reply# 7 1/5/2008 at 19:41 (5,948 days old) by funguy10 () | ||
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Dyson Contrarotator results They cannot rate the Dyson Contrarotator as it is currently not in production. | ||
| Post# 258152 , Reply# 11 1/6/2008 at 16:14 (5,947 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom) | ||
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dyson contrarotator results from the past! | ||
| Post# 258372 , Reply# 13 1/7/2008 at 10:08 (5,947 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
I'm suprised the Hoover Vision HD was at the bottom of the pile! I have the 1600 8kg Vision HD Machine and I must say it outperforms all my other washers! Never have I had a machine where you can program high water levels for cotton washes, and if you like have 5 half-way up the door rinses, all with interim Spins. Its strange though the drum on it is huge, vastly bigger than my old Zanussi in all ways, width, depth e.t.c, but the machine itself is slightly less deep than previous ones which is quite intresting I think! Like I say I really cannot fault this machine which is rare because I'm usually the first to fault something LOL Would be very intresting to see what problems theyve found with it!! Richard 
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| Post# 258373 , Reply# 14 1/7/2008 at 10:09 (5,947 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Programs | ||
| Post# 258398 , Reply# 16 1/7/2008 at 12:56 (5,947 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Very Strange!
I think its really bad that due to incorrect testing they can come up with theories like this about Hoover Vision, Because we all know they are rather good LOL! Ah I must ask what's the Inverter Motor like on yours!? Mine has a Brush Motor but Ive been shocked with it as its not one of those typical noisy screechy ones, just hums away whilst washing, and even on spin you cant hear it going really till its at about 400 or so!! Distribution speed always sounds great on it! Richard | ||
| Post# 258448 , Reply# 18 1/7/2008 at 17:32 (5,946 days old) by dascot (Scotland) | ||
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Which? test the standard cycles, and they usually mention if a modifier will help with any problems at all. The new Bosch and Siemens machines, along with some of the Electrolux group and Miele machines, seem to be getting better at rinsing. | ||
| Post# 258657 , Reply# 20 1/8/2008 at 15:25 (5,945 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom) | ||
I'm really impressed with the indesit moon! 5star rating for rinsing! Thats my main thing i have to have in a machine! Like i said in the indesit thread, if i were to get one, i'd replace the door with an ordinary indesit door and stick with 2-in-1 detergent when using it! Though most of the time which are very good in their testing, i do wonder why they put odd models in their, like they have done with the hoover vision, it's unfair! It seems their testing on the vision was inaccurate, as you guys who have one seem very impressed! Having looked at the manuals on the new zanussis they are using slightly more water (thankfully). I'm also surprized with the outcome of the TOL aqualtis, i'd say its a technically sound machine. Im very happy with my WT960 too its one of the best machines i've ever owned, and so far has proved trouble free! Hopefully by next year they will be using even more water! As i believe it was MRX who said on his aqualtis thread, it is more efficient to wash 8kg of washing in plenty of water than t oo split two loads into a 5kg machine that tumbles around in a puddle of water! Darren | ||
| Post# 258660 , Reply# 21 1/8/2008 at 16:04 (5,945 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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More Water.....!
Yeah I agree Darren, with both the Indesit Moon and the Hoover Vision! The Indesit is such a sleek machine, but fact you cant see through the door turns me right off! On the subject of water throught I'd upload a pic of the Hoover reaching an all time high in Rinse water levels! I was shocked! It seems the bigger the load, the more water it uses! However I thought I'd already seen it do its Max water level.. Until today!! :D Richard 
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| Post# 258766 , Reply# 23 1/9/2008 at 05:54 (5,945 days old) by superelectronic (London, UK) | ||
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Is it the Hoover Washer or the Hoover Dam? Bleedin' Ada, Richard - I hope the Vision's got a strong door gasket! It's giving me palpitations just looking at it!! Does the machine give two deep rinses as standard or was that with the 5 rinse Sensitive Care option? Al | ||
| Post# 258794 , Reply# 24 1/9/2008 at 10:18 (5,945 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom) | ||
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hoover vision | ||
| Post# 258796 , Reply# 25 1/9/2008 at 10:45 (5,945 days old) by mrwash () | ||
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And why is that? | ||
| Post# 258821 , Reply# 26 1/9/2008 at 12:35 (5,945 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Hi Al! The pic of the Hoover vision was it on a Non-fast cottons cycle which does 2 high level rinses as standard, or if your washing a large load it does 3! Howwever if you add the Sensitive Care option to the cycle it does a higher water level wash, and 5 rinses all at the level in the pic above , all with interim spins its tottaly amazing! Washings never come out feeling as soft and like-new as it does now! Dyson2drums : Yeah thats correct Hoover have done away with the Powerjet Technology but they still distribute with water every now and then during the drain out of wash/rinse water on selected programs! I'm slightly glad that they have stopped using the power jet on their washers as ive had a bad experience with a Zanussi Jetsystem (previous machine) the Jet on that quite frequnetly produced extra foam during the wash and esspecially the rinse cycles which defeats the object of trying to rinse a load when at the beggining of the cycle it pours out a load of sudsy water over the clothes, then continues to creat more foam! Maybe the Hoover Vision Powerjets were diffrent to this!? To be honest though I dont think there is any subsitute to just using a decent amount of water to wash and rinse clothes properly in! Richard | ||
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Post# 258987 , Reply# 27 1/10/2008 at 06:45 (5,944 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Which Methodology!!
Very interesting report this time, I dispair at the thought of joe public taking it as gospel!!!, just seems to be so many disparities between makes & models etc, and most models including Miele and MaytagAsko get slated for rinsing!! I`ve actually written to them asking how they determine these results?? it must be based on lab specific ratios like alkaline testing etc...I rarely use super rinse, dose accordingly to load, and never have had a percieved problem with rinse water etc...perhaps we had better start buying chemical kits for home use to see what happens!!! I would love for them to ask a group of like minded washer bods to come in for a day and observe/be part of testing etc... Scratching head, not from rinsewater, Mike | ||
| Post# 258995 , Reply# 28 1/10/2008 at 07:31 (5,944 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK) | ||
Richard... | ||
| Post# 259002 , Reply# 29 1/10/2008 at 08:35 (5,944 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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| Post# 259334 , Reply# 30 1/11/2008 at 17:46 (5,942 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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More Water!! | ||
| Post# 259335 , Reply# 31 1/11/2008 at 17:48 (5,942 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Tumbling Away.... | ||
| Post# 259370 , Reply# 34 1/12/2008 at 05:39 (5,942 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Hiya, No thats not been a problem on this machine thankfully, I wouldnt be to impressed if it did that LOL however my machine from 2004 or thereabouts (Samsung) had an angled door catch and that didnt seem to have any adverse effect on it, even if it did work with the door open in the end hehe LOL!! Richard | ||
| Post# 259594 , Reply# 36 1/13/2008 at 11:18 (5,941 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Hmmm I dont really understand your argument there mrx, Which didnt say that your 8kg Aqualtis was noiser than a machine with a Brush Motor :S:S! And on the water level side, in the past few years ive had quite a few washers which have all been very diffrent, some using little water to rinse in, doing a poor job, another having very poor intermitten spins, and finally the zanussi which often used a pumpfull of water to rinse in without any spins in between quite often. Now I have the Hoover Vision clothes some out feeling much softer and like-new as the detergent has been rinsed out, I believe that the more water used, the greater the dilution of water to detergent, and this, with fast interim spins as the Hoover Vision does produce very good results which work for me. However I'm not saying machines that use little water are poor at rinsing, this is just my own personal experience with recent washers :) Richard | ||
| Post# 259623 , Reply# 39 1/13/2008 at 14:07 (5,940 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Ah I see what you mean now I agree yeah, strange how they can quote a Bosch quieter than an Aqualtis with a Brushless motor! Really shows I think that their testing sometimes isnt up to scratch, their results arent very reliable in some aspects. Yeah I agree with you there about rinsing performance is alot more than a water level, because like you say there are still many factors to take into consideration, In a rinse i must say the action is a very important role, As Ive realised over time that too much action causes just more un wanted foam in a rinse which isnt really what you want, also the interim spins like you mentioned :) Richard | ||
| Post# 259626 , Reply# 41 1/13/2008 at 14:17 (5,940 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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Jon- Yeah I agree with you 100% on that! the Jetsystem just used to make rinsing a lot harder than what it needed to be at times. I wished it would just shut off when it came to rinses LOL! And to make matters worse the Zanussi rarely topped the water level back up on rinses so the water level would be underneath the holes in the drum!So there was just enough water for the jetsystem to work!It wasnt until you heard the pump growling because it had nothing to pump through the jetsystem it would do such a stingy top up LOL! Not too sure if AEG'S were/are that bad though! Not my cuppa tea! LOL Richard | ||
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Post# 259647 , Reply# 44 1/13/2008 at 16:40 (5,940 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Re-invent the Wheel...!!!
It seems the rinsing issue is the biggy at the moment, I`m sure by cutting down and using less powder than manufacturers reccommended doses helps, ( which is always overscribed IMHO) and using other stuff such as when the spinning between rinses, cut the motor leaver the pump on and start the cold fill, as the drum slows down the cold water is hitting the drum and spraying outer cabinet and flushing excess sudz away!! I only realised the benefit of it the other day when listening to dads service quartz from the 80`s and seeing it do it. simple things just as altering one tiny bit of programming can make all the difference in performance...we await with baited breathe the all programmable Super Unimatic front loader!!! right Robert..!!! | ||
| Post# 259656 , Reply# 45 1/13/2008 at 17:04 (5,940 days old) by rolls_rapide (.) | ||
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Rinsing My 1998 AEG seemed to trickle water very slowly down the back of the dispenser compartment during the intermediate spins (I think). Would this be correct? (I opened the drawer to take a look). I presumed it was to flush out excess suds. | ||
| Post# 259730 , Reply# 46 1/14/2008 at 07:39 (5,940 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom) | ||
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Having experienced my mothers aeg jet for 4years, even that can struggle with persil non bio! I gotta agree with jon, his miele rinses amazingly to say it does to low rinses and long interms. My newwave is always clear after its 1st lot of interms and that only uses a medium rinse water level and a medium tumble speed and that rinses brill! As does my zanny with its 4 rinses with lotsa water:D Rinsing is my biggest factor in a machine, it has to rinse well. No buts. If you ask me its about getting things very wet, and moving the clothes through the water at the right speed. My wt960 is brill at rinsing, on cottons its gr8 with the 1200rpm interm and the high level rinsing, but when i do my colours i've been using reduced creases, with extra rinse which gives me 4 slow tumbles in a medium water level, and things rinse really well! Im even more intregued by the moon now it's been given a 5star rinse rating, im tempted to find one on ebay and stick a normal indesit door on it:P just to try:D One thing i like about my servis quartz is how it runs the inlet and the pump at the end of an inter spin to clear the pump! Darren | ||
| Post# 260279 , Reply# 49 1/16/2008 at 18:31 (5,937 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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it looks like the water level has been altered by pouring e
Hi, I'm not too sure if the hoover vision has overflow protection i suspect it does though as it would be dangerous for a machine not to have it , I however do not add extra water to the rinse cycle which is the shocking thing, it only does that kind of levels when you fill it full though. just for anyone who is suspicious of this rinse level ive made a video of it filling to that level by itself. No manual intervension needed. CLICK HERE TO GO TO samsungfl's LINK | ||
| Post# 260368 , Reply# 51 1/17/2008 at 11:26 (5,937 days old) by samsungfl (United Kingdom/London ) | ||
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LOL Yeah I agree! Try filling yours full, it might do the same level I didnt realise it could do it up until a week or so ago hehe! Yeah Ive had my suspicions about the pressure switch to, but it kinda makes sense really because it only does it on enormous loads LOL If it did it all the time I'd call the engineer hehe :D Richard | ||
| Post# 260492 , Reply# 54 1/18/2008 at 02:10 (5,936 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom) | ||
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Newwave
Ahh yes my dear newwave! When all the spins complete the rinse that follows is as clear as day. However sometimes because of the minimal tubgap the foam can really kick up! You have to cut the dosage in half for these machines. spinrinsing litterally applied to the fast interm spins. the machine still used a decent amount of water, that i'd call a medium level of water. but the actual spin was only in the wash! I'm lookin forward to using it again soon i haven't had time for my collection lately! Darren 
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| Post# 260493 , Reply# 55 1/18/2008 at 02:24 (5,936 days old) by islingtonsteve () | ||
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If I remember rightly from the user manual for the new waves it did stress that it uses a completely different way of washing and that dosage needed to be but by 1/3 if following the instructions on the box of the detergent | ||
| Post# 260522 , Reply# 56 1/18/2008 at 08:40 (5,936 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom) | ||
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