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Post# 258396   1/7/2008 at 12:39 (5,947 days old) by drewz (Alexandria, Virginia)        

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Just saw these today in a store and I must say they are sharp looking!

This set looks really retro, they are trimmed in that Copper/Gold Tone metal. I really like the front kick plates with this trim.

This trim color reminds me of the same color that GE used inside some of their refrigerators with those push the button spinning shelves and the crispers were done in this color too.

Maybe Whirltag is trying to go retro, now if they could just bring back lighted control panels...


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Post# 258417 , Reply# 1   1/7/2008 at 14:52 (5,947 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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FEH!

Some Maytag. WP DD engineering 100%.


Post# 258423 , Reply# 2   1/7/2008 at 15:18 (5,947 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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And that's such a bad thing because ... ? :-)

Post# 258432 , Reply# 3   1/7/2008 at 16:07 (5,947 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
If I stuck a "respectable" label on myself would a

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oh hush, All I'm saying is it ain't no "Maytag."


:-)

Don't you have any videos to make? *LOL*



Post# 258433 , Reply# 4   1/7/2008 at 16:16 (5,947 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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Steve - are ya saying the Norgetag's were any better? ;-)

I'm with ya Drew - even though these are DD's dressed in 'Tag - they are not to shabby looking.

Ben


Post# 258450 , Reply# 5   1/7/2008 at 17:40 (5,947 days old) by bleacho ()        
i agree, toggle......

they are nothing but whirlpools... shame that there is no differences... why not just drop the name alltogether? there is no difference between machines, as there were yesteryear.
i think its hilarious that they speak of this celebration... there is no celebration to celebrate- its simply not a maytag..
labels,labels,labels...


Post# 258451 , Reply# 6   1/7/2008 at 17:59 (5,947 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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I'd buy a set. NorgeTag's were OK, it's when they tried to marry Maytag and Amana that the problems started.....

kennyGF


Post# 258456 , Reply# 7   1/7/2008 at 18:59 (5,947 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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that IS one classy washer

Post# 258460 , Reply# 8   1/7/2008 at 19:29 (5,947 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Maytag!

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Too bad it's not a real Maytag!
Peter


Post# 258461 , Reply# 9   1/7/2008 at 19:43 (5,947 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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I agree.If these were true Maytags without that damn short stroke agrivation that eats up my shirts and towels,I'd buy them in a heartbeat.Unfortunately,they're not.Currently,GE seams to be the only top loading washer manufacturer that has gone back to the longer agitation stroke.Then too,if Electrolux(Frigidaire)would find a way to keep their washtub stationary during agitation,then they would have a much better method in their top loading washers.

Post# 258655 , Reply# 10   1/8/2008 at 15:15 (5,946 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Thanks to the magic of Alt+Print Screen, I could get a picture of the washer. Here it is.

Post# 258662 , Reply# 11   1/8/2008 at 16:07 (5,946 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

I think it's a great looking machine.

I don't really understand some of the hostility around here toward Whirlpool for them trying to celebrate some of Maytag's heritage. It's not Whirlpool's fault that Maytag failed. It was Maytag's.

As for the DD design, hate it if you want but it has been highly successfull (not to mention reliable) for Whirlpool for well over 20 years now. Why would they not use the design in a brand that has a history for reliability ?

Ed


Post# 258670 , Reply# 12   1/8/2008 at 16:55 (5,946 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Maytag later on became Mayrag, I'll give you that.......

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Why would they not use the design in a brand that has a history for reliability ?

Yes why DID they drop classic Maytag engineering...........


Post# 258688 , Reply# 13   1/8/2008 at 19:11 (5,946 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

It was too expensive for the bean counters own good. So they switched to a cheaper, less reliable design. I mean, what else would the world's leading appliance maker do given those great options???? Norge, Magic Chef....yeah.

Post# 258689 , Reply# 14   1/8/2008 at 19:34 (5,946 days old) by washabear (Maryland)        

If I were choosing such a washer, I would get a Whirlpool-branded model, which is usually less expensive and might be a bit plain in comparison, but it's essentially the same thing, so why not get the original?

Post# 258696 , Reply# 15   1/8/2008 at 20:06 (5,946 days old) by travis ()        

It reminds me of all the "classic" radios of the 1980's. You might as well buy the real deal out of an old ladies basement.

Post# 258719 , Reply# 16   1/8/2008 at 21:08 (5,946 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        
Since the subject arose......

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Why have there been no videos of the New Mayrags??????




Post# 258720 , Reply# 17   1/8/2008 at 21:11 (5,946 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Little did American manufacturers stop to think that by attempting to buy-out other competitors to suck-up market-share for themselves, they'd open up the doors further to foreign competitors.

Then their own designs may not look so good to their "audience"" once the public sees better options at reasonable prices.


Post# 258776 , Reply# 18   1/9/2008 at 07:45 (5,945 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

I would say that it was Maytag, not Whirlpool, that dropped classic Maytag engineering.

It seems to me that after about 1997 or so the Dependable Care was not so good anymore. In the 10 years that I had my stores I sold several thousand of them. An awful lot are already gone or have been rebuilt with new seals and bearings by myself in recent years.

Plus customers just didn't like the $150 price difference between a similarly featured Maytag vs. any other brand.

Ed


Post# 258784 , Reply# 19   1/9/2008 at 09:33 (5,945 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Why would they not use the design in a brand that has a history for reliability ?

Yes why DID they drop classic Maytag engineering...........

Toggle, Were you being ironic?


Post# 258806 , Reply# 20   1/9/2008 at 11:09 (5,945 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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I'll never tell.

Post# 258825 , Reply# 21   1/9/2008 at 12:45 (5,945 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Maytag stood behind the orbital transmission; they never released the Norgetag for the commercial market. They knew better. The Norgetag (they thought) was better for the domestic market because it was a cheap machine all the way around and the market would tolerate earlier "planned obsolescence" much better than commercial customers. The Norgetag is acutally a very good washer, just don't expect it to last very long.

Post# 258828 , Reply# 22   1/9/2008 at 13:32 (5,945 days old) by hilovane (Columbus OH)        

If only Whirlpool could do away with the "cookie cutter" approach. Alas, that, like asking for the return of Helical Drive is a pipe dream...

Post# 258954 , Reply# 23   1/10/2008 at 00:15 (5,945 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        

It is a nice looking machine, with a huge design nod to past Maytags, which they are relying upon in the copy of the "commerical quality",and retro rememberance of good old Maytag center dial sturdyness. They stay away from "Dependable care", which is the only Maytag I will own.

Post# 259210 , Reply# 24   1/11/2008 at 05:42 (5,943 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I like the design too. I know it's a DD Whirlpool in disguise, but the designers sure did a nice job on the appearance.

Post# 259211 , Reply# 25   1/11/2008 at 05:43 (5,943 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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The control panel is very nice detailed too.

Post# 259212 , Reply# 26   1/11/2008 at 05:45 (5,943 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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I guess the disappointment comes when you open the lid. There should have been a nice white porcelain wash basket and they should have put in a straight vane agitator instead of the corkscrew.

Post# 259226 , Reply# 27   1/11/2008 at 07:06 (5,943 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Imagine a nice authentic aqua-colored straight-vane agitator!
Unfortunately the arc is so fast and short it's more of a shredder with such an agitator!
I suppose the SS tub is supposed to be more TOL.


Post# 259229 , Reply# 28   1/11/2008 at 08:14 (5,943 days old) by ryanm (New York)        

Yes the 'appearance' is nice, but I would not purchase after owning a Whirlpool made Kenmore elite that is very tough on the clothes, and other family members who own Whirlpool machines that complain about the same. I have had many other top load machines, this one is the worst on clothes, so it does not matter to me how dependable the 'Whirlpool' design is, because the fact of the matter it truly is a 'shreaderator' as defined on this forum. If I had to buy now, only Speed Queen would be my choice.

Post# 259273 , Reply# 29   1/11/2008 at 12:53 (5,943 days old) by spaniel50 ()        
Maytag Centenniel

I agree the pictures are very nice but my new top of line Whirlpool washer and dryer were such a big disapointment. Mine are now sitting in the garage! Replaced them with the new Neptunes which I love and are so quiet and easy on the clothes. They did do a wonderful job in making them "look" like Maytags.

Post# 259280 , Reply# 30   1/11/2008 at 14:04 (5,943 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        

18 min of shredder action :o! What are they doing? How to get rid of your towels in 18 min? If people love those flexible controls (oh and yes I love them too!), combine them with a good he action washer (calypso or so? combinatio with calypso oasis neptune TL...) and I think you have a washer HIT!

Post# 259282 , Reply# 31   1/11/2008 at 14:19 (5,943 days old) by westtexman (Lubbock, Texas)        

You would never seen 18 mins of agitation on a real Maytag! What were they thinking????

Post# 259284 , Reply# 32   1/11/2008 at 14:53 (5,943 days old) by funguy10 ()        

18 Minutes of agitation would clean your clothes spotless! Also, My family's Kenmore DD Top-Load washer never shredded one item for the entire 4 years it lasted.

Post# 259290 , Reply# 33   1/11/2008 at 15:14 (5,943 days old) by funguy10 ()        

By the way foraloysius, do you have more pics of the washer? Particularly the control panel? Do you have any pics of the dryer? Why is the stainless steel basket and spiral agitator a dissapointment? The stainless steel tub is a nice break from the usual White porcelin tub with the diagonal holes. The maytag site says the machine has a "LoadFlex" agitator which sounds like the Total Care Flex agatator in the Kenmore Oasis. The site also says it has 100 degrees of agitation stroking. It also has a "PureClean" rinse system. Does that mean it does spray rinsing? The machine may be a DD Whirlpool in and out but the golden control panel and kickplate make it look different than any other DD Whirlpool.

Post# 259347 , Reply# 34   1/11/2008 at 19:16 (5,943 days old) by vintagesearch ()        
well.....

i find this maytag to be very nice looking but i still wouldnt buy it! sorry, it just kinda leaves a sour note in my mind that there quality went downhill i dont know i dont like the fact the as you guys mention it really doesnt set itself apart from whirlpool that much! Although in whirlpools defense the design has been reliable at least if the agitator would be different its an ugly whirlpool/maytag spawn!!!!

well the best to whoever buys one and whirlpool for buying maytag out the only models that really grab my attention are the bravos models!


Post# 259374 , Reply# 35   1/12/2008 at 06:29 (5,942 days old) by funguy10 ()        

You're all looking at this the wrong way. Sure the "Old" Maytag was known for thier reliability but if you ask ANY appliance repair person/salesperson they will tell you that the DD Whirlpool Top-Load washer design is one of the most realiable machines on the market. Sure I was not around in the heyday of Maytag but I do know about the durability of the DD Whirlpool design. The spiral agitator is a regular in Whirlpool DD Top-Loaders these days and the stainless steel basket is a nice break from the white one with the diagonal holes. Maytag and Whirlpool are both great appliance companies and thier merger was, in my opinion, a benefit.

Post# 259383 , Reply# 36   1/12/2008 at 07:55 (5,942 days old) by funguy10 ()        

The page on the washer at the Maytag Centennial washer says this:

"Celebrate the 100th anniversary of the first Maytag washing machine with a Centennial washer. This washer represents the brand's lasting commitment to durability and dependability. Commercial-grade parts deliver commercial-grade strength, while an all new console design and center knob delivers quality that you can see and feel."

So yes, I don't know about the "commercial-grade" thing but I can comply. The center-knob thing is cool though. Now they just need to make a lighted console.


Post# 259384 , Reply# 37   1/12/2008 at 08:41 (5,942 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Funguy dear,

There is no right or wrong way to look at this, you just look different to this than most people on this website. The main reason we are here is that most people on this site like older appliances over newer ones for many reasons. Those older Maytags were wonderful machines built like no modern washer ever will be built (unless we start building them ourselves ofcourse). So to most people these modern machines can't stand in the shadow of the classic ones.

As for pictures, you might have stopped asking for videos, could you do the same thing with pictures? We are not here to fulfill all your requests. So, I am not going to share anymore pictures with you, but for the others here is the last picture of that series I have....



Post# 259385 , Reply# 38   1/12/2008 at 09:04 (5,942 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Commercial On Utube

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Here is a commercial for this machine.

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Post# 259386 , Reply# 39   1/12/2008 at 09:07 (5,942 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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The guy doesn't know what he is talking about!

Dependable Care?

4 water levels?

Permanent Press?

I think not!


Post# 259387 , Reply# 40   1/12/2008 at 09:24 (5,942 days old) by funguy10 ()        

You're right. He said 4 water levels, I see 5:Extra Small, Small, Medium, Large, and King Size Plus. Also, Permanent Press is there, It is called "Casuals". And the Whirlpool DD washer is indeed a Dependable Care. They just couldn't use the name because Maytag had it.

Post# 259389 , Reply# 41   1/12/2008 at 09:42 (5,942 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Here comes my trademark list of machine features!

*Commercial-Grade parts: This machine is a Wirlpool DD Top-Loader that should last the regulation 20 years instead of 4.

*DependableClean wash system: What could be more dependable than the Double-Action/Triple-Action of a Whirlpool DD washer?

*SuperSize Capacity Plus: It doesn't say exactly how many cubic feet of capacity but I guess it is around 3.8 cubic feet.

*Heay-Duty Metallic Control Knob: A nice, shiny break from the plastic knob. And it looks more modern.

*1/2 HP Drain Pump: I don't know how powerful that is or how fast it would drain out the water. If somebody does know please post on this thread.

*QuietSeries300 Sound Package: Ensures for quiet operation.

*LoadFlex agitator with 100 degree arc rotation: This sounds like the Total Care Flex Agitator in the Kenmore Elite Oasis.

*Automatic Temparature Control: Regulates the incomig water temp to target it to a certain temparature to ensure proper cleaning.

*Automatic Bleach and Fabric Softener Dispensers: Self-Explanatory.

*End Of Cycle Signal: Self Explanatory. I hope it is a bell or beeper instead of a harsh buzzer.

*SmoothBalance Suspension System: With today's demand for a smooth, non-vibratey spin cycle for 1st and 2nd floor laundry, this ensures for a quiet, smooth spin.

*PureClean Rinse System: I don't know if this means it does spray-rinsing or just different rinsing. If someone does know please post here.

* Extra Rinse Option: Sel-Explanatory.

*Porcelain-On-Steel Spill Catcher top: Ensures you top's finish does not become damaged by spilling something on it.


Post# 259407 , Reply# 42   1/12/2008 at 12:12 (5,942 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
Porcelain-On-Steel Spill Catcher top

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This is still a nice feature. Wish the whole cabinet was porcelain on steel.


Post# 259414 , Reply# 43   1/12/2008 at 12:36 (5,942 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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I know it'll never be a true to heritage Maytag.
But this looks like a DAMN GOOD machine.
I'd sure as hell get one. And they look flippin' awesome.

100 degree arc? isn't that a little wider than the standard shredding action of the DD?

I still HATE the neutral drain.





Post# 259417 , Reply# 44   1/12/2008 at 12:44 (5,942 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Neutral drains are easier on the transmission and motor because the motor does not have to spin the additional wheight of the water at the beggining as it spins out. I think neutral drains are becoming the norm for Top-Load washers.

Post# 259527 , Reply# 45   1/12/2008 at 22:59 (5,942 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

I love the appearance of these machines and they definitely have a much more upscale feel and appearance compared to Whirlpool-branded machines for only a bit more cash, but so does the new GE Hydrowave machine I saw.

Funguy, many years ago, Maytag was sort of the "Cadillac" of washing machines...if you had the money for one, you had more or less "made it" and it was a status symbol that had respectability and reliability written all over it. Whirlpool AFAICR had a very good rep as well, but if you spent the extra money on a Maytag, you planned to keep it for a very long time, at a time where you didn't replace such objects so often.

The Maytag washers of old were not particularly flashy, with bells and whistles, and had a very understated design. When I bought my last DD Whirlpool, almost twenty years ago, it was because I LIKED the vigorous wash action, the quick cycles, and the stain-removal aspect, but my BOL model was far cheaper than a comparable model by Maytag.

There are actually a few Maytag models with the retro design, but they are at different price points, have a few varying features, and at least one of them had the speckled porcelain.

My one criticism of the machines I saw is that some of the models had a seam running down the outside of the basket. I wash a lot of sweaters and sweatshirts and I could easily see that seam worsening and getting caught on things over time, although I could be wrong.

On the other hand, whenever I get myself disgusted over the state of mergers and outsourcing, I remind myself that Maytag could well have been taken over by Haier or some similar outfit, and I don't think they'd have taken the time to build a model like this one....

Although, I could be wrong. TTI, IMHO, did a wonderful job with the new "Constellation" canister vac, and I'm thrilled to pieces with my new TTI-made Hoover "Mach 5", so who knows?

Time will tell....:)


Post# 259561 , Reply# 46   1/13/2008 at 06:22 (5,941 days old) by funguy10 ()        

You're right. Maytag and Whirlpool just merged. We can give critisism on the quality of the "New" Maytags yet until some time pases. I think they still have the old-time realiability because of the realiability of the DD Whirlpool design but that is only my opinion.

Post# 259576 , Reply# 47   1/13/2008 at 07:31 (5,941 days old) by mrcleanjeans (milwaukee wi)        

Just curious.When KitchenAid washers came out,although basically Whirlpools with a few tweaks they were accepted I'd say by "us folks" yet this Maytag seems crucified by some.I did see some detailed sales "stuff" on the Maypools not long ago and they outright said that they have more commercial grade transmissions than the Whirlpools as well as some other heavier components.BTW,one could put a turqouise KitchenAid agitator with those wider fins in here and set the washer for 120 SPM,thus preventing shredding.

Post# 259592 , Reply# 48   1/13/2008 at 11:02 (5,941 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
this whole shredding issue

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I don't get it.
I know the wash action is quite vigorous, but the few and far between DD machines I've used at friends/relatives houses don't "shred" for the whole duration of the cycle.
As far as I know, the DD steps down speed somewhere during agitation.
Is this not true?

What bothers me the most about this Centennial washer is the HORRIBLE seams in their SS tub. They are no where near the quality of the stainless seams in Maytag's old washers (neptune).

But....if there's a way to sand down/hammer down those sharp seam edges, maybe I could live with it.
It does look like a fantastic machine.

I think Whirlpool did Maytag a debt of gratitude in such short notice with a beautiful redesign.
WP JUST bought them. They had to do something quick.
Who's to say WP down the line won't incorporate the Orbital system into all their machines later on. They own that now.

Just be glad Haier didn't buy them, and quit b!7@#ing.


Post# 259710 , Reply# 49   1/14/2008 at 01:42 (5,940 days old) by oxydolfan1 ()        

"What bothers me the most about this Centennial washer is the HORRIBLE seams in their SS tub. They are no where near the quality of the stainless seams in Maytag's old washers (neptune)."

See, you saw it too, lol!

Doesn't that seem like it could be problematic?

You'd be surprised how many people buy a washer and don't really take a good look under the lid...


Post# 259817 , Reply# 50   1/14/2008 at 15:26 (5,940 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
That Didn't Take Long

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Post# 259821 , Reply# 51   1/14/2008 at 15:51 (5,940 days old) by funguy10 ()        

That is a nice picture of the set.

Post# 259965 , Reply# 52   1/15/2008 at 07:29 (5,939 days old) by ryanm (New York)        

To answer the 'shreading' issue with my particular machine (Kenmore), made by Whirlpool does not slow down agitation at any point. With my machine, I can wash with the lid up, which I love to watch it. If I set the speed at anything other than fast, the clothes do not circulate well at all, especially if you are doing towels or sheets, so for most loads, I have no choice but to keep it on the super speed. Perhaps 'shreading' is too strong a word to use, but this is the only machine I have had that wears out jeans faster, makes the collars and sleve ends of my shirts wear in a way no other has, and actually does cause some holes in some clothes that look like the material was actually pulled apart. The clothes are so tangled after the wash, it is sometimes hard to get them out of the machine. Three other memebers of my extended family also have Whirpool direct drive machines, and every one of them has the same issue, and are therefore displeased with thier machines. You can also find plenty of these types of complaints on other forums. Believe me, I truly like the 'look' of the machine I have, and the fact that it washes lid up, so I would not look to knock the machine, and actually bought it because I thought it would clean well (which it does). I can only hope that the new Maytags are a bit more gentle on the clothes, then for sure I would buy one.

Post# 260082 , Reply# 53   1/15/2008 at 16:44 (5,939 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
shredding

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so this sounds like a widespread complaint.
Is WP aware of this? I know they're a big conglomerate, but when companies are faced with widespread issues like this, and there's that many disgruntled workers. I'd be hard pressed to think they'd just leave it be.

Have enough people complained to the company?
Sounds like they need to slow things down a bit.


Post# 260090 , Reply# 54   1/15/2008 at 17:38 (5,939 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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They have ... most current machines (except maybe the BOL models) run half the wash agitation at high speed on the Normal cycle, then switch to low speed for the remainder. Light Soil setting typically starts at the low speed point. Heavy Duty cycle (for those with it) typically runs at high speed for the duration. KitchenAids with 3-speed motors ran the medium motor speed for high agitation, dunno if Whirly and Kenmore 3-speeders do that.

Post# 260209 , Reply# 55   1/16/2008 at 12:45 (5,938 days old) by spaniel50 ()        
Maytag Centennial

Just had a conversation with a relative today and they were talking to friends yesterday. The subject of washers came up and they told her of their new Maytag washer that ruined two light jackets they washed. It riped the zippers on the jackets. I guess what had been written on the forum about "shredder" must be true. I only had my new Whirlpool washer and dryer about 6 months before I replaced them with the Neptunes but I did notice a big difference between the Whirlpool top loader and the Neptune. I did not have clothes ripped but it was very noticeable that the Neptunes treated the clothes gently.You guys know what you are talking about.

Post# 260214 , Reply# 56   1/16/2008 at 13:38 (5,938 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        
Shredding - Depends on the User

My mother and Michaels mother both have had DD Whirlpools, Mums is a 7.5kg model coming up to 7 years old, still working perfectly, it was replaced with a FL machine in November to save water. I think the key seems to be how much you overload the machine. In 7 years, we've never had it "Eat" a garment, some towels have frayed around the edges, but they're 20 years old with almost weekly washing. As long as anything you put in there can move freely, we've never had a problem.

Michael's mother had a 6kg DD Whirlpool (60cms wide) that after 3 loads every day for 2 elderyly people for 10 years, finally blew its cluch 18 months ago. She is a chronic underloader, IE those 3 loads per day, would be 3 bath towels and a bathmat, some feminine undergarments and whites, and a load of colours. Her towels are comming up to nearly 35 years old (95% were wedding presents) and they still look and feel as good as they did new.

I think the problem Whirlpool have faced, is how to deal with chronic overloading and getting huge capacities, whilst still getting the load clean. If you overload any slow stroke machine, nothing moves around, it just sloshes backwards and forwards. If you Pack a fast stroke machine to the gills, you'll always get turnover with the corkscrew agitator.

Again its a case of a manufacturer giving the market what it needs. We might think its a bad idea, but for 95% of the population, they can just stuff it full and walk away.


Post# 260232 , Reply# 57   1/16/2008 at 15:14 (5,938 days old) by ryanm (New York)        

In response to the last post here, I for one, do not overload our machine, I have been very careful about that. I can tell you that damage has happened to some of our clothes no matter what size load we have done, or how little is in the load, in fact, there have been times where only a FEW garments have been washed, with plenty of water in the tub, and they were damaged. I have been in the past doing Laundry with a GE and NORGE for 30 years, and never had this happen regardless of the load. For someone to blame a 'design flaw' on the 'USER' as defined above is not fair. I am sure there may be some machines that work fine and do not do this, but for the most part, I think the wash action design of this machine is terrible for this reason. I have 3 kids with dirty socks etc. and all traditional machines I had cleaned the clothes excellently without damaging them. You are welcome to your opinion, I only know what I have experienced with this machine, as 3 other extended family members who also own Whirlpool made machines all have had the same issue, one being my Mom, who had 6 kids and different brands of washers over the years, that never did this either, now she 'hates' her Whirlpool becaues of this issue as well, she says it is the worst washer she has ever had, and she has the model that actually does 'switch between speeds', and she still has problems. All of us would not be posting our experience with this ONE brand if we didn't experience it, and keep in mind, we ALL have used other brands of washer without this issue.

Post# 260294 , Reply# 58   1/16/2008 at 19:56 (5,938 days old) by washabear (Maryland)        

Well, I just bought a regular old DD Whirlpool TL machine to replace a much-hated Fridigaire FL that I had. Will let you all know how it does if you are interested. I am not new to the DD Whirlpool; I "inherited" one in a house purchase and thought it was fine. But then I got the FL bug, so I ditched it. I ended up sorry that I did, and I think I will happy to be back again. We shall see.

Actually, the Maytag "Dependable Care" machine that I owned previously seemed to chew up clothes much more than the Whirlpool did. Most of the noticeable wear on my clothes can be traced directly to that machine.

Just my own experience.






Post# 260296 , Reply# 59   1/16/2008 at 20:08 (5,938 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        
shredding

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great notes guys.
it sure sounds like it's an issue.

now with all your anger and frustration, ALL of you should funnel that energy into contacting Whirlpool type written and signed letters.
It is known that to companies, every hand written letter received (due to the work put into it) portrays the opinion of 8-10,000 other people.

Let them know there's a problem! Otherwise it'll never be fixed.


Post# 260354 , Reply# 60   1/17/2008 at 09:12 (5,937 days old) by brant_ix (Westford, MA)        
I have the 5920Two Model...

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... but I didn't think it was Direct Drive as it has a transmission, and it is very loud!
What is the difference, and how can I tell?

I am a bit disappointed with my model.
What I DID find out though is that these are the old
KitchenAid TopLoaders with the Maytag Name. Just like
The 9700 Front Loaders! They are using the same grade
parts they did for the KitchenAid, but touting it with
Maytag saying it's "Commercial Grade".

I have already gotten approval from Sears to return it,
and am about 80% there. If I do it, it will probably be
for the Maytag 9700 Front Loader, but I REALLY would prefer
to stay with the Top Loader... thoughts?



Post# 260365 , Reply# 61   1/17/2008 at 11:10 (5,937 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Well, what do you expect?

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I won't go into my usual rant about the state of US business and why Whirlpool does what they do. I'll just leave it at this:

There is a very interesting article in yesterday's Slate on the current state of affairs in America versus the other capitalist and Chinese systems. Well worth reading, link attached.

Oh, and, Funguy, a washer which lasts four years is not competitive in the global market. Outside of the US - and we are the people you are competing with - a breakdown after four years would be a reason for a consumer to never ever buy anything from that manufacturer again. I agree with you, the design is nice. But the first rule of capitalism is: If the customer doesn't want to buy it, it is junk.




CLICK HERE TO GO TO panthera's LINK


Post# 260382 , Reply# 62   1/17/2008 at 13:17 (5,937 days old) by johnb300m (Chicago)        

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so where's that link????


Post# 260512 , Reply# 63   1/18/2008 at 07:00 (5,936 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Well, I didn't come up with the name Shredmore for my 1986 Lady Kenmore washer for nuttin' and DADoES say the results of varios items of clothing which had been damaged. I"m glad I went with a front loader!!

Post# 1124809 , Reply# 64   8/3/2021 at 11:24 (990 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
1/2 hp pump

I believe the pump drains at 17 gpm. The pump and motor are at 1/2 hp 1725 rpm/1140 rpm. The agitation stroke is 180 spm at normal speed and 120 spm at gentle speed. Sorry if I keep reviving this thread. I prefer the 18 minute super wash cycle on the normal fabrics section. It's great for getting out ground-in dirt as well as mud cakes from cottons and denims.

Post# 1124810 , Reply# 65   8/3/2021 at 11:27 (990 days old) by GELaundry4ever (Nacogdoches, TX, USA)        
pure clean rinse system

I believe it is a carryover from the whirlpool line when doing a spray rinse during final spin on the normal cycle.


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