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New Bosch Dishwasher and a saga getting it!
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Post# 259551   1/13/2008 at 05:23 (3,565 days old) by robm (London)        

Hi all

I have just got a new Bosch Exxcel Express SGS56E12 dishwasher. It's great but I've had a hell of a time getting it. Here is a pic of it the rest of the story!

Post# 259552 , Reply# 1   1/13/2008 at 05:28 (3,565 days old) by robm (London)        
Miele G977

I had decided to buy a Miele. I wasn't sure on the cutlery tray though and had to think of cost, so I ordered a Miele G977.

Unfortunately, it couldn't be delivered when we wanted it and my partner decided it was too much, so I had to cancel the order.

Post# 259553 , Reply# 2   1/13/2008 at 05:33 (3,565 days old) by robm (London)        
Kenwood (not recommended)

In a rush in Currys my partner decided he liked the Kenwood pictured below. I had my reservations but it was cheap at Ģ249 and did look nice. The trays also seemed reasonable so we took it there and then.

As soon as I got home and came to my senses I regretted it. The top tray in particular was a bad design and saucers just fell like a pack of stacked cards. Also a dodgy sticker on the front had marked the stainless steel. At first Currys didn't want to take it back but finally agreed (thank god)!

The moral is never rush into any purchase.

Post# 259564 , Reply# 3   1/13/2008 at 06:29 (3,565 days old) by robm (London)        
The Bosch

I decided in the end to go for a middle range Bosch. I have to say the Exxcel is brilliant. It washes well and has very well designed trays. I like the fact I can move the cutlery basket around to any part of the dishwasher. It is also nice and quiet.

Post# 259566 , Reply# 4   1/13/2008 at 06:32 (3,565 days old) by robm (London)        

I really like the programmes which I will probably use all -

Intensive 70 (a must)
Auto 55-65 (for most everyday soiling)
Daily 50 (for lighter soiling)
Quick/Delicate 45 (only lasts 29 mins and ends with a 55 degree rinse to leave things at least a bit dry)

Any questions feel free to ask.


Post# 259573 , Reply# 5   1/13/2008 at 07:13 (3,564 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
29 minutes? *FAINTS*

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Looks like a wonderful machine! But the racking is not my cup of tea!

Post# 259574 , Reply# 6   1/13/2008 at 07:17 (3,564 days old) by gadgetgary (Bristol,CT)        

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What does the 'Eco option' do, and what is the button to the left of that one?

Good Luck with your new DW.

Post# 259577 , Reply# 7   1/13/2008 at 07:33 (3,564 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

That looks like a good machine! But the racks are a bit strange... I think it would make me a bit confused at first. It's also strange that all the cycles are marked as "quick", how long do they run apart of the 29 minutes one?
Thank you. Gabriele

Post# 259587 , Reply# 8   1/13/2008 at 10:16 (3,564 days old) by rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Bosch Express Programmes

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This seems to be trend with Bosch to put the quickest cycles upfront, and have the longer more energy efficient cycles available ONLY with a button press or two.

With my older Bosch dishwaher, the energy-efficient progs are available upfront, but take an age to complete. There is a 'time reduction' option, but you have to hunt through the menu.

I imagine that pressing the 'ECO' button lengthens the Bosch Express's programmes.

Post# 259588 , Reply# 9   1/13/2008 at 10:23 (3,564 days old) by rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Kenwood dishwashers:

DO NOT touch with a bargepole!!!

Made in China, poor upper racks (parts break and fall off); opening door during cycle can flood the bottom spillage tray - flood protection activates! In some cases poor electrical clearance causes flood water to short-circuit.

Use of multi-function tablets can cause same effect (with or without a separate rinse aid in that dispenser).

You have had a very lucky escape!

Post# 259589 , Reply# 10   1/13/2008 at 10:24 (3,564 days old) by rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Kenwood dishwashers:

DO NOT touch with a bargepole!!!

Made in China, poor upper racks (parts break and fall off); opening door during cycle can flood the bottom spillage tray - flood protection activates! In some cases poor electrical clearance causes flood water to short-circuit.

Use of multi-function tablets can cause same effect (with or without a separate rinse aid in that dispenser).

You have had a very lucky escape!

Post# 259590 , Reply# 11   1/13/2008 at 10:25 (3,564 days old) by rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Sorry for Triple posting

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The posting mechanism froze!

Post# 259599 , Reply# 12   1/13/2008 at 12:03 (3,564 days old) by robm (London)        

Hi guys thanks for your comments

Toggleswitch - Hi there, I'm yet to try the 29 minute wash but it would probably be good for a light buffet. My old Zanussi only cold rinsed the load on quick wash meaning you would have to dry it up, useless really. I think you are right about the tray thing in the sense that it depends what you are used to. I was brought up with Hotpoint/Bosch machines so are used to their layout which as hardly changed.

Rolls Rapide and GadgetGary - Yes the Eco button makes the program twice as long but reduces the temp. Good for overnight running.

DJ-Gabriele - the first 2 progs are about 90 mins, I think the daily is around 60. The pre-rinse is 19. The other button is a half load switch. It says you can load the machine anywhere and it will reduce the water and time.

Rolls Rapide - The Kenwood, I think you are right! It was a silly decision I was rushed into. My partner and I were fed up in the rush of the January sales and our old machine had started flooding. I think we had a little row-ette in the shop LOL! I was relieved to return it! The upper basket was awful and plates collapsed. Alan soon realised too!

Here is an ad from the 70s of the Hotpoint made by Bosch, not a lot has changed really.

Post# 259600 , Reply# 13   1/13/2008 at 12:05 (3,564 days old) by robm (London)        

And the main pic

Post# 259606 , Reply# 14   1/13/2008 at 12:35 (3,564 days old) by rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
It never fails to amuse me...

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...that machines have "unique" features - even though they come from the same factory:

"...Hotpoint's unique Acousticlad insulation..."

I presume Bosch models also had such insulation, and Siemens, etc.

Post# 259621 , Reply# 15   1/13/2008 at 13:57 (3,564 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
All the B/S/H stuff

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is the same quality, rolls off the same production lines and shares the same engineering. The only difference is the snob appeal.
Same with a lot of the Miele cooling products...with a few minor exceptions, you are paying double or triple the price for the privilege of that Miele label, but have the same excellent innards as the least expensive Siemens product.
This does NOT apply to their dishwashers and laundry range.
We had a Kenwood for a while, built in the 70's. Was an excellent machine. What a pity that they no longer are.
Now that so much of B/S/H is outsourced to cheap shit made in China, will there be any good stuff left at all...hold on to your vintage products, folks - the way things are going it only makes sense.

Post# 259648 , Reply# 16   1/13/2008 at 16:45 (3,564 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        

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Nice one Rob, I had the previous version to this and now have the Siemens integrated, gosh 6yrs now, it been an absolute workhorse, and so quiet & efficient, I love the 70d wash and the one basket eco prog, also the glasses as well, mostly use the 50 - 60 auto with less time, usually takes the programme to 92 mins etc...those dark racks just complement it as well!!!


Post# 259792 , Reply# 17   1/14/2008 at 13:38 (3,563 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

Very nice machine. The wash system looks alot like what we have here in the States for the upper end of the Bosch line. I know when we were looking to replace the Fisher & Paykel POS we checked out what Bosch had to offer and almost bought it.
On the cycles they say "Quick" above each one...are they faster time wise?

Post# 259826 , Reply# 18   1/14/2008 at 16:25 (3,563 days old) by brisnat81 (Brisbane Australia)        

A great looking machine, and fantastic wash times :)

My Miele takes around 2hours on the sensor wash 55-65 program.

How much of the 90mins is drying time? Is the drying heat assisted or fan and condensor based?

Post# 260669 , Reply# 19   1/19/2008 at 04:29 (3,559 days old) by robm (London)        

Hi there, sorry for the late response, very rude of me!

The Quick does make a difference and I would say it cuts down the wash times by a third. The auto prog the other day on lasted about an hour, although the soiling was light.

This machine uses condensor based drying, which is a shame because I think fan assisted would be better. Having said that it does a good job.


Post# 260680 , Reply# 20   1/19/2008 at 06:17 (3,559 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Good choice, Rob!

I would definitely buy another Bosch dishwasher, we've had our SMS5032GB/14 since 1994. It does on average 2 loads a day and nothing has ever gone wrong with it!


Post# 260689 , Reply# 21   1/19/2008 at 08:37 (3,558 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

Robert, are you pleased with the drying resuslts?
The drying-time on my Bosch SGI58M05EU I got about one month ago, are very short- 10 - 25 minutes!
IMHO, the drying results arenīt that good..since I raised the final-rinse-temperature itīs drying-results improved!
But I still like it!

Post# 260692 , Reply# 22   1/19/2008 at 09:42 (3,558 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

That top rack is the same as my Bosch, which must be about 8 years old now I guess and it works for me, wouldn't want to change it. However, they seem to have reversed the configuration of the lower rack and I don't know how I would get on with that. I guess it is just as easy to get used to. I hate anyone loading my dishwasher as they always put things in the wrong place as far as i am concerned and never fill it up as much as i do. Does anyone else get irritated by this???

Post# 260694 , Reply# 23   1/19/2008 at 09:47 (3,558 days old) by lavamat78800 ()        

~Does anyone else get irritated by this???~

Of course!
Especially my mum doesnīt know how to load a dishwasher..I think I should show picīs! The way she loads it always make me upset!

Post# 260712 , Reply# 24   1/19/2008 at 13:50 (3,558 days old) by nmaineman36 ()        

My partner and I load the dishwasher all day long and when its time to wash the load I will unload it and reload it. My thought is that I can put more into it and maximize the space that I have. It drives him nuts! But my feeling is that if I want it to wash properly it needs to loaded properly. He will lay glasses down and overload the upper rack and when it comes to the silverware usually a mess because somehow he hasnt figured out that the spoon heads and forks go between the tines. When I load it everything has its place....I need help!

Post# 260715 , Reply# 25   1/19/2008 at 14:02 (3,558 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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You don't need help, Mike, I used to do the same thing when my sister lived with me. It was a stretch to get any help and when it came to the dishwasher, she'd just leave everything in the sink or on the counter because; "you'll just re-arrange it if I put it in the machine anyway."

Ugh. From the mouths of slobs!

I would re-arrange the dishwasher according to the load being done, but not so much because I thought I could get more into it, but to ensure that everything had a fighting chance of getting clean. It was a MOL Hotpoint (GE clone) that was tragically crippled in it's ability to get anything washed, let alone a "BobLoad"!

Post# 260730 , Reply# 26   1/19/2008 at 16:34 (3,558 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        

all sounds familiar!! My partner now calls me to the kitchen when the dishwasher is nearly full and the latest meal carnage needs washing up and says "darling, I need your dishwasher loading skills cos it is nearly full and needs to go on". I go out and load in the latest batch and he is standing there offering me the detergent and I say "It isn't full yet so put that away", and walk off. Without fail, he will open the door and gaze in amazement as the dishwasher is miraculously only 3/4 full!! MEN!!!!

Post# 260755 , Reply# 27   1/19/2008 at 19:43 (3,558 days old) by rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        

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Ha Ha!

Was at parent's for tea; mum was loading her dishwasher, I tried to load a few items, but she has her own method of loading - AND insisted on pre-scrubbing and washing the grill-pan before placing in the machine!!! (...faints...!) LOL

"His Nibs" will load our machine, but I have to come along later and fiddle with his arrangement, because things are placed in the daftest, most unefficient place you can imagine!

Post# 260794 , Reply# 28   1/20/2008 at 03:37 (3,558 days old) by hoovermatic (UK)        
Pre rinsing

What does this hark back to I wonder? When my Mum got her first dishwasher many years ago, I remember that she used to rinse the dinner plates off before loading, she hasn't done it for years thank goodness. Was it that the early dishwashers in the UK were not very good at cleaning and that you HAD to rinse things off? I went to a dinner party on 30/12/07 and the hostess washed all of the plates and bowls off before loading them into her TOL Bosch. I was so tempted to chastise her and having a tongue loosened by alcohol it was so tempting but I kept me gob shut!

Post# 260798 , Reply# 29   1/20/2008 at 05:33 (3,558 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
i would have a kenwood dishwasher!!!

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but only if it were one of these! i have put a search on ebay and it often returns the modern version of dishwasher you avoided but i would love one of these for my kitchen , i think a top loader is very unique, apparently they did not rate well by Which in the 60's but hey ho , but i don't know anyone who has ever had one !


Post# 260890 , Reply# 30   1/20/2008 at 15:22 (3,557 days old) by rolls_rapide (Scotland, UK)        
Old adverts

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I don't know about anyone else, but to me old advertisements always carry an air of quality and mystique about them. They seem to cause me to want the product!

Is that a daft thing to say?

Post# 260911 , Reply# 31   1/20/2008 at 17:30 (3,557 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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No not a daft thing to say at all. That was the purpose of old ads. Peak interst, want the product. It wa all marketing and product positioning thought out well.

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