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Post# 264460   2/11/2008 at 12:23 (5,909 days old) by tuthill ()        

I saw these on the POD and watched the video of it in see it wash... just a couple questions. the agitator just spins one way really fast? how did this work? was there tangling problems? how long did they use this?




Post# 264467 , Reply# 1   2/11/2008 at 13:29 (5,909 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

The flappitator column remains stationary during flappitation; only the undulating flapper plate spins and only in one direction since the motor reversed direction for spin. When the tub spins, the agitator column spins with it. By having the flappitator column spin with the tub, the fabric softener is swirled out of the agitator mounted dispenser. By having the column remain stationary during flappitation, the water is swirled through the slots in the column and the lint is filtered out by a screen in the lower part of the column.

The first model of this design had a solid tub with a perforated liner. It developed much stronger water currents than the later models with the perforated tub.

Post# 264477 , Reply# 2   2/11/2008 at 14:57 (5,909 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
I was surprised to see

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just how much turn over there was in ROberts machine during flappitation!
I would not have expected such from the high frequency flappitator!

Post# 264481 , Reply# 3   2/11/2008 at 15:38 (5,909 days old) by 48bencix (Sacramento CA)        
Actually not spinning

 The rubber diaphragm isn't spinning, if you held onto the edge it would move up and down. It is actually kind of wobbling, at a very high speed. This induces a current which turns the water and clothing over from the bottom of the tub outward, and up the sides of the tub.

Martin

Post# 264487 , Reply# 4   2/11/2008 at 15:53 (5,909 days old) by tuthill ()        

yeah i was very surprised at the high turn over rate too... impressive

Post# 264493 , Reply# 5   2/11/2008 at 16:06 (5,909 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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Yes its important to note that the Philco agitator does not rortate or spin in any way during wash. The wavy bottom rubber disk nutates just like the Whirlpool Calypso, similar to when you are spinning a penny on its side and it slows down and starts to wobble before it falls down.

Post# 264502 , Reply# 6   2/11/2008 at 17:19 (5,908 days old) by peterh770 (Marietta, GA)        

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Robert, using a newfangled word such as "nutate" will surely earn you a slap! The Philco flaps or wobbles; it does not nutate in this forum. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
;)

Post# 264514 , Reply# 7   2/11/2008 at 19:25 (5,908 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)        

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Clarification needed for moron: What's the difference between a solid tub with a perforated liner and a perforated tub?

Post# 264539 , Reply# 8   2/11/2008 at 23:23 (5,908 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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A regular perforated tub is what in current washers and solid tub with a perforated liner is in three peices.
The perforated liner is the main wash basket, the middle basket holds the water which water is trown into the outer basket during the spin cycle to drain.

Post# 264579 , Reply# 9   2/12/2008 at 07:42 (5,908 days old) by tomturbomatic (Beltsville, MD)        

Yes, actually there were patents from Philco that were used by WP in designing the motion of the wash plate in the Calypso. Our instructor told us about the older patents, but did not mention Philco. The washing motion goes all the way back to the "Energy Disc" in the short-lived Philco agitatorless automatic, also with the perforated tub liner, the one usually shown with a Formica top. Remember the contest to name the new washing action? Funny how they went from that to the very standard heavily built agitator machine with the Ball Point Balance of the tub and then back to the High Frequency Wash Action.

Robert, even though the penny is wobbling, there would be rotation of the penny since, like you said, if it is spinning and slows down, it wobbles on its side? The axis of motion changes from vertical when spinning, going from the top of the penny through to the bottom, but when it wobbles, the axis is through the middle where rotation causes the perimeter of the coin to maintain a changing, but constant contact with the surface. It you watch the penny slow, the design, such as the Lincoln "menorial" is spinning. The Philco's wash action is not pure up and down motion like a Frigidaire mechanism. Isn't the flapper held at an angle, much like the wash plate in the Calypso during its nutation? I agree with you that the form of motion is best described by the word nutation, but much faster than the Calypso's and the changing pattern of the angled flapper sends the impulses through the water.


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