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Post# 267081   2/28/2008 at 16:59 (5,895 days old) by koalas ()        

I've just posted a new video about an automatic washer from 1967 with a glass lid (an H-axis washer):drum (opening and closing), selection of programs, fill, wash, drain and spin, use of push buttons. I hope you'll enjoye (video of www.lamachinealaver.com...) See you. bert




Post# 267083 , Reply# 1   2/28/2008 at 17:03 (5,895 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Where's the link?

Post# 267089 , Reply# 2   2/28/2008 at 17:11 (5,895 days old) by dascot (Scotland)        

Funguy - go to the website written in the post. It's there.

Interesting video - thanks for posting it :)

Post# 267090 , Reply# 3   2/28/2008 at 17:12 (5,895 days old) by koalas ()        
the link

 www.lamachinealaver.com...
Enjoye!
bert

Post# 267098 , Reply# 4   2/28/2008 at 17:56 (5,895 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Funguy,

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How about trying a "please" or "I"m sorry, but I can"t find...could you help me?" for a change? You are so rude at times that your age can not excuse your behavior.
People of your age group are otherwise willing and able to apply some ingenuity towards finding information, I daresay the URL should have been sufficient to point you in the right direction.

Thanks for the video - I love watching H-Axis machines!

Post# 267119 , Reply# 5   2/28/2008 at 19:31 (5,894 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Love the Dyson and all the other videos, thanks for posting.

Post# 267137 , Reply# 6   2/28/2008 at 21:30 (5,894 days old) by tuthill ()        
haha funguy10

 Your mannerisms around here seem to draw quite a lot of criticism!

Post# 267145 , Reply# 7   2/28/2008 at 21:42 (5,894 days old) by cleanteamofny ((Monroe, New York)        

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Check his age and you'll know why....
Young whippersnapper!

Post# 267166 , Reply# 8   2/29/2008 at 01:42 (5,894 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
There are other

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young and younger people in this group. They all manage to exercise restraint.
Don't misunderstand me, please. Funguy has some good things to say and his contributions are frequently worth reading.
If anyone around here has reason for remorse because of his temperament, it is me - I'd just like to see him learn to use his manners a bit.

Post# 267171 , Reply# 9   2/29/2008 at 02:24 (5,894 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Hello Bert,

Wonderful video! Thanks for sharing it with us. That Brand Statomatic is a wonderful machine. I recognized the sound of the pump, a friend of mine had a Brandt washer/dryer in the past, it had the same sound.

BTW, can you tell me what the pushbuttons are for? I assume the read light burns when the heater is on? The sliding lid was a surprise, I had expected two flaps like on modern machines.

Merci beaucoup!

Louis

Post# 267178 , Reply# 10   2/29/2008 at 02:50 (5,894 days old) by koalas ()        
buttons

 Hello Louis

- there 2 lights: the lower lights when the machine is filling, the higher when heat is on;

- the pushbuttons:

the red one is stop
The, you have:
- "marche" = on button;
- "fragile" = delicates : wash with high lewel of water and soak longer than agitation; no spin; no drum rotation when the machine is draining; during the fillings, drum rotation when the low level is reached;
- "synthétique" = permanent press: wash with high lewel of water, agitation longer than soak; no spin but with drum rotation when the machine drains;
- "essorage" = spin = cotton: wash with low level of water, agitation longer than soak; spin after each rinse and final long spin (8 minutes).

Rinses are always with hig level of water.

See you.

bert.

Post# 267191 , Reply# 11   2/29/2008 at 06:30 (5,894 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
Merveilleuse...

 Thank you so much Bert! You're indeed doing a wonderful work sharing the videos with us...

Double lamp - So now I understand where Mr Borghi (Ignis foundator) find it! It lasted until seventies model this feature, the "brighter" (green or yellow) was generally for ON, and the "darker" (red) was for HEATING phase

Double pushbuttons - This either was on Superautomatica...red to stop and black to start

Cycles - As you describe the cycles they reallly seems to be like the sixties standard...

The sliding drum lid I heard was not the best solution... infact then they've been disappearing...now two flap drum lids are the common using
Anyway now I understand how it works :-)

A question for you now:
does the machine fill in a dispenser or the filling spray direcetly onto the drum?

GREAT!
Diomede

Post# 267195 , Reply# 12   2/29/2008 at 07:25 (5,894 days old) by koalas ()        

hello Diomède,

During filling, the water comes in the dispenser, which is at the front of the drum (see also in my gallery).

That's why there is a lamp that lights during filling.

In programs with prewash you must:

1) Start;
2) When the light goes out:
- put detergent for the prewash on the drum;
- put detergent for the wash in the dispenser where it was kept until the beginning of the wash.
3)close the lid: then, you do not have to intervene.

Post# 267197 , Reply# 13   2/29/2008 at 07:45 (5,894 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
In programs with prewash you must:

E là...

so guys you have ONE detergent dispenser ONLY to use for both prewash and main wash but IN SEQUNCE...

So the same would be used for the fabric softner after the main wash detergent has been flushed away...

What about the spin speed? It seems slow...

I see only one Vedette just like this Brandt with the galssed lid in my life when I was in Nice...it was wonderful to see all those drops onto the glass :-) specially during the heating phase like durint the spin.

Post# 267200 , Reply# 14   2/29/2008 at 07:49 (5,894 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
knobs...

 Sorry but I can't understand what the other than the timer knob is for..maybe for the temperatures!?

Could you please post a pic of the two knobs to see them...the cycle on timer is only one, there aren't I suppose two sectors tiwh an inter-stop...

THAKyou Bert...:-)
Diomede

Post# 267201 , Reply# 15   2/29/2008 at 07:52 (5,894 days old) by koalas ()        

You'll have a video during spin and heating very sonn. You see, it's very funny, above all when it's boiling (100°C).

For softner, you select a new program after the wash (one rinse and spin)or, if you're here, you put it on the drum when the timer indicates the last rinse and the lamp lights.

The spin speed was very low (300 tours/min).

Now one question that I have never been able to answer: why there is a lamp during heating, since the thermostat stops heat when the temperature is selected? In advance, thank you if you have the answer!

Post# 267202 , Reply# 16   2/29/2008 at 07:55 (5,894 days old) by koalas ()        

The fisrt knob is for temperature from cold to 100°

The second knob is the timer but there is no two sectors.

I'll send a pic this evening.

Post# 267205 , Reply# 17   2/29/2008 at 08:12 (5,894 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Wonderful to hear more of this machine. The only thing that I find odd is that the syntetics are washed a high water level. Later permanent press cycles all had a low water level in the wash. Does this cycle have a cool down at the end of the cycle?

Just a wild guess about the light for the heater. A lot of houses didn't have an electrical installation for a lot of appliances yet. I think the light was there to tell you when a lot of electricity was pulled by the machine. After the heating phase had ended you could for instance put on the oven. Just guessing though. Perhaps an older person could tell you more about it.

Post# 267207 , Reply# 18   2/29/2008 at 08:22 (5,894 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
I think the light was there to tell you when a lot of electr

 And I think also for safety! In heating phase the heating elements are direclty soaking in water so there would be the maximum risk of electric dispersion...as to say "Don't touch it" LOL!

Post# 267225 , Reply# 19   2/29/2008 at 10:08 (5,894 days old) by koalas ()        
light for the heater

 Thanks for that explanation, which seems very convincing.

I thought of another, but without any warranty. You must choose with the timer a time of washing and manuel instructions said you must choose a sufficient duration depending on the temperature. It is clarified that the timings given in the manual may vary depending on the temperature of the cold water coming into the machine and the load of laundry.

I thought then that the lamp heating permitted, at least the first times, to experience and know the real time to heat water.

I know, this explanation is absurd, because it means that you had to stay in front of the machine!

So, thank you for that explanation, which seems very good and much more logical.

Otherwise, for synthetics, I think all washing machines in France washed with a high level of water. For the cool down phase, some machines drain a little water and fill again up to level rinse. But this was not the case with this machine.

Thanks again, I am really happy to benefit from your experience.

Post# 267239 , Reply# 20   2/29/2008 at 11:59 (5,894 days old) by mielabor ()        
I wished...

 That I had a heater light on my Asko machine and preferably an indicator too that tells me how many minutes I have before the heater goes on! I never dare to boil water or use the oven while washing.

With my old Miele I could simply stop and resume the machine at any point in the cycle to do other things, but with the Asko the machine starts again at the beginning when I try that.

Post# 267242 , Reply# 21   2/29/2008 at 12:23 (5,894 days old) by mielabor ()        
Sounds...

 You have made a nice video, but when you started the machine the sounds of the buttons and the water inlet valve immediately reminded me of Jacques Tati's movie "Mon Oncle" where a housewife is busy pressing buttons in her kitchen.

Another question: Is the drum of the machine suspended? It seems to shake a lot, even with the low spinning speed.

Post# 267248 , Reply# 22   2/29/2008 at 13:21 (5,894 days old) by laundryshark (Cedar Rapids, Iowa)        
La Machine a Laver

 It was no problem for me to copy and paste the Web address into a separate browser window. [It's a nice set of videos. Thanks for sharing these.] Nevertheless, for those who insist on the convenience of using their computer mice or the ENTER key, here ya go.--Laundry Shark

CLICK HERE TO GO TO laundryshark's LINK
Post# 267269 , Reply# 23   2/29/2008 at 15:23 (5,894 days old) by koalas ()        
spin

 Thanks for putting a direct link: I do not know as doing so.

To spin, the balancing system of the machine is a bit difficult to explain in English, but I will try; If you do not understand some things, tell me.

The tub is not suspended.

The machine is based on a pedestal made heavy iron.

During the spin, the drum rotates in a sense preferential ie in the sense that the strength of innertie is best absorbed.

Small movements coming and going are normal, but the machine does not move (provided that the drum is full!)

In addition, there is a security: a sort of arm "fleet" behind the spin button : if the machine jumps, the arm made a sudden movement which cancels the spin: the spin button is back.

Post# 267270 , Reply# 24   2/29/2008 at 15:33 (5,894 days old) by koalas ()        
knobs for Diomede

 Here's pic of knobs

Post# 267277 , Reply# 25   2/29/2008 at 16:31 (5,894 days old) by mielabor ()        
Temperature setting knob...

 So does the machine actually steam when it is set at 100°C? That would be a nice sight. At my work we have a laboratory washer that does that when set at high temperature. It produces a nice cloud of steam. There is also a newer model that has a condensor where the steam is killed in a spray of water:(

Post# 267554 , Reply# 26   3/2/2008 at 04:42 (5,892 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
100°C

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I am wondering about the real boil wash feature. I thought Constructa had a patent on it. At least Bauknecht had to pay Constructa for making a boil wash machine. Perhaps this patent was only for Germany and perhaps Austria and Switzerland?

Post# 267556 , Reply# 27   3/2/2008 at 05:04 (5,892 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
Thank you Bert!

 Very kind from you

Indeed interesting the 100°C temperature set, isn't it the boiling water temp? I knew that there were many troubles with such high setting so this led to decrease the max temp downto 95-90°C max...

Here you are a gift back for you all!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO vivalalavatrice's LINK
Post# 267587 , Reply# 28   3/2/2008 at 11:33 (5,892 days old) by koalas ()        
yes, 100°!

 The statomatic can really boil, but the manual instructions says it's not necessary. Indeed, French people, in 60's, were very attached at the boiling option, because the used to the "lessiveuse", before washing machines: It was a metal tub with a central pipe and double bottoms. The "lessiveuse" was put on a gas stove: water was boiling, back in the tube and watered linen, as you can see on a photo in "historique" on my site (it's my "lessiveuse" on my stove!)

Post# 267596 , Reply# 29   3/2/2008 at 13:14 (5,892 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
Lessiveuse

 WONDERFUL! I read how it worked and it's incredible indeed how old is the spray action to wash clothes...nothing of new in this manner though! LOL

In practical it worked how the Italian coffee maker do (la "caffettiera" Moka), the boiling force pumped the water through the center pipe which went out sprayed down onto the clothes.... (and the pics is clear enough to see that!)

So it was the first recirculating water system ever made!! GREAT!

Anyway I think that the best way to automatic wash clothes is to follow exaclty the steps of the hand wash, so if the soaking was indespesable in handwash I think it should be the same for washing machines cycle, which instead very often in nowadays models start directly to wash in agitation...

Thanks again and always waiting for any other wonderful unveils!

Diomede

Post# 268027 , Reply# 30   3/5/2008 at 16:50 (5,889 days old) by koalas ()        
heating and bubbles

 As promised, it is on my site : a new video abaout the 1967 Brandt during heating. The bubbles on the lid are so funny ... Enjoy the show!
Bert

CLICK HERE TO GO TO koalas's LINK
Post# 268089 , Reply# 31   3/6/2008 at 04:01 (5,888 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
La Machine a Laver !!!!!

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The cosole of the Statomatic looks rather like the Hoover 3226 Keymatic with the blue colour and the ridges in the chrome!!! wonderful action, you can see how this style kept working with the simplistic lines, window for viewing & partaking in the wash process, and efficient operation...

Post# 268226 , Reply# 32   3/7/2008 at 05:09 (5,887 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Bert,

Thank you for the link. (And you managed to post it here!) I really love how the boiling water condenses on the glass lid. Great movie!

Mike!

Isn't that true, that's what I thought too when I saw the console of the Statomatic.

Louis


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