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Thread Number: 16264
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Post# 270585 3/18/2008 at 21:57 (5,881 days old) by jons1077  (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Post# 270586 , Reply# 1 3/18/2008 at 21:58 (5,881 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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and the dryer | ||
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Post# 270587 , Reply# 2 3/18/2008 at 21:59 (5,881 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 270592 , Reply# 3 3/18/2008 at 22:39 (5,881 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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OH MY!!! Can't wait to hear who the lucky person is!! | ||
| Post# 270593 , Reply# 4 3/18/2008 at 22:39 (5,881 days old) by rpm () | ||
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Not only are you lucky to get these, according to Silvia Brown, you have Angle Orbs flying around the dryer. One to the far right of the dryer and one above the 3rd button | ||
| Post# 270595 , Reply# 5 3/18/2008 at 22:44 (5,881 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.) | ||
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The Turquoise 1966-67 Lady Kenmores "jons1077": OH MAN!!!! Please tell me those were not located here in Alexandria, VA!!!! These are GORGEOUS!!!!! So tell me, Jon..... Whose the lucky recipient???? Someone's got to revive that Washer...... And what's wrong with the Dryer????? --Charles-- | ||
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Post# 270598 , Reply# 6 3/18/2008 at 22:52 (5,881 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Post# 270599 , Reply# 7 3/18/2008 at 22:53 (5,881 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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| Post# 270605 , Reply# 10 3/18/2008 at 23:40 (5,881 days old) by eddy1210 (Burnaby BC Canada) | ||
I know who got these | ||
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Post# 270618 , Reply# 12 3/19/2008 at 01:45 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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YAY
I was on pins and needles worried someone else might beat me to these today but luck was with me and after work I went and picked these beauties up. A huge thanks goes to Jon for not announcing these in the forum before I had a chance to decide if I wanted them. I didn't have to think too much on this!
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Post# 270619 , Reply# 13 3/19/2008 at 01:46 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 270620 , Reply# 14 3/19/2008 at 01:48 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 270621 , Reply# 15 3/19/2008 at 01:48 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 270622 , Reply# 16 3/19/2008 at 01:49 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 270623 , Reply# 17 3/19/2008 at 01:51 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 270624 , Reply# 18 3/19/2008 at 01:51 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 270625 , Reply# 19 3/19/2008 at 01:53 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 270626 , Reply# 20 3/19/2008 at 01:59 (5,881 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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The machine runs, belt spins, pulleys turn, wig wag seems to be moving back and forth, but no agitation or spin. Dick S. and Eddy1210 have told me it is probably just the wig wag cam bars so we'll see upon closer inspection. The paint is in beautiful shape and the chrome is perfect. This machine even has the suds saver option but the pump for that was removed and the hose capped off. Both washer and dryer have full length lighted consoles as well. I'm looking forward to working on these and getting them all cleaned up and running. Patrick | ||
| Post# 270628 , Reply# 21 3/19/2008 at 02:16 (5,881 days old) by scott55405 () | ||
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This is so awesome! Enjoy! | ||
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Post# 270663 , Reply# 22 3/19/2008 at 06:35 (5,880 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY) |
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| Post# 270668 , Reply# 23 3/19/2008 at 07:18 (5,880 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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What a beautiful set! I am so happy that you got these Patrick and can't wait to see how they turn out!! | ||
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Post# 270680 , Reply# 24 3/19/2008 at 08:36 (5,880 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Very cool, Patrick - use them in good health! I hope it's just a simple wig-wag control to get it running again. It sounds like they may have just removed the diverter valve for the suds-saver so you may be able to get that feature operable again pretty easily too. Congrats on the find - any washer & dryer in turquoise just takes the breath away! | ||
| Post# 270682 , Reply# 25 3/19/2008 at 08:56 (5,880 days old) by northwesty (Renton, WA) | ||
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Congrats Patrick and welcome to the Kenmore club! These Kenmores are fixable since they made that design so long, hope it is still simple though. Nice set! | ||
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Post# 270684 , Reply# 26 3/19/2008 at 09:12 (5,880 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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BOO YAH! | ||
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Post# 270689 , Reply# 27 3/19/2008 at 09:36 (5,880 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Thanks All!
I will take more detailed pics and post them as I start working on them. Gansky, you are right that it just looks like the diverter has been removed. I will take a pic of that area so you can see. Steve, the dryer sensor goes all the way around the drum with a hump on one side of the drum and a black flipper on the oppsite side. It's pretty cool looking. Not being familiar with Kenmore's (sorry, was born with Frigidaire blood) I had to read the lid to see how the controls operate. Of course this is a condensed version so if anyone has any detailed info on cycles, operating instructions, etc., I would be eternally grateful. It says to choose your cycle, then pull out the timer dial and turn until it stops, then push in to start. Well, the timer dial never stops so don't know if that means whatever stops the timer at the appropriate spot is broken or what. The timer does advance normally which is a good thing. At the end of the spin (even though it doesn't spin) you hear a clank like a brake or solenoid engaging so something is working down there I guess. I hear the fill valve buzz when it's supposed to be filling so that's a good sign but haven't hooked it up to water yet. I'm very excited to work on and learn more about these machines. A big THANK YOU to all who responded and share my enthusiasm. More to come. Patrick | ||
| Post# 270690 , Reply# 28 3/19/2008 at 09:49 (5,880 days old) by powerfin64 (Yakima, Washington) | ||
GORGEOUS LADY K! | ||
| Post# 270696 , Reply# 29 3/19/2008 at 10:32 (5,880 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
Congratuations Patrick! These are just beautiful machines! Check the wig wag, and also check the wiring to the wig wag. The wires are flexed as the machine is running, so one of the wires may have broken. The outside plastic of the wire will look fine, but the wire core itself may be broken. If you do not have test equiptment, you can still test the wiring. Hold one end of the wire, and pull slightly on the on the other end. If the core of the wire is broken, the plastic cover will stretch out slightly. If one of the wires do that, the core is broken. Simply repair the wire, and you are good to go. Try to position the wiring for the wig wag so that it moves as little as possible as the machine is running. Again, those are wondeful machines! Can't wait to see your "after" pixs! | ||
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Post# 270710 , Reply# 30 3/19/2008 at 11:49 (5,880 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Thanks Rich - come visit anytime. It looks like you've got quite the collection yourself. Rickr - Thanks for the advice on checking the wires to the wig wag. That could be the problem. While the machine is running the wig wag does move back and forth. Would it be moving if one of the wires was broken? I look forward to having fun with these. Just the initial wipedown with 409 I gave them really brought out the shine. | ||
| Post# 270718 , Reply# 31 3/19/2008 at 12:20 (5,880 days old) by rickr (.) | ||
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Patrick, the wigwag moves anytime the motor is running. It shifts the transmition from neutral to wash to spin. The wig wag has two magnetic coils. If one coil is burned out, or is not powered up because a wire is "open" the machine may spin but not wash, or may wash but not spin. I think that your problem is the wig way, or a broken wire. Best of luck with your new found treasure. Let us know what you find.
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| Post# 270720 , Reply# 32 3/19/2008 at 12:28 (5,880 days old) by zipdang (Portland, OR) | ||
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Post# 270734 , Reply# 33 3/19/2008 at 14:41 (5,880 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions) |
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Post# 270737 , Reply# 34 3/19/2008 at 15:35 (5,880 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Rickr - I'm putting my money on the wig wag. I'm hoping that's all it is. I'll keep you posted. David - Yes, this was the set on Craigslist. The whole process of getting these was very interesting. When I initially emailed him Friday, he said there were 2 other people ahead of me that wanted them. I said OK, and for him to let me know if they changed their mind. I didn't hear back from him all weekend and just assumed they were gone. Then Monday I didn't check my email right away and Jon calls me advising to get on this right away. (Thanks Jon!) The guy had sent out a mass email to everyone who had initially responded that the first taker got them. I wrote to him 30 minutes after he sent that out. Needless to say he called me back to tell me they were mine and that every person who had come to look at them were women who thought they'd be cute until they saw them in person and realized they would be more work than what they were prepared for. One womans husband called him and bitched him out for trying to sell broken down junk to his wife. I told him I was a collector and he responded "now I've heard everything" and then said he was glad they were going to someone who would appreciate them. I feel very lucky I got them. This will be a fun weekend. | ||
| Post# 270745 , Reply# 35 3/19/2008 at 16:07 (5,880 days old) by saltysam () | ||
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Way Cool! Congrats Patrick on your fantastic find! those are definitely sharp looking machines......Mark | ||
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Post# 270755 , Reply# 36 3/19/2008 at 17:02 (5,880 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Cycle selection buttons and timer knob stop....
Patrick - You are on track about the cycle selector buttons and timer. The user is supposed to depress a cycle option button, then that button determines which cycle of the three or four in the timer is used. The water temperature that goes along with is determined at this time as well by the timer. When the cycle button is pushed, a mechanical pin is set to engage a slot in the timer, and lock the timer from rotating (this is where the stop comes from) until the knob is pushed in to start the machine. This way if you know you are washing white cottons, you just push that button and turn the knob until it stops, then push it in and go - the machine is supposed to run the white cottons cycle. One simple suggestion would be to press a couple of the major cycle buttons, white cottons then colored wash and wear, etc, and make sure the pin selector system is not in "neutral". On the couple machines I have, you can lightly depress a button and make it release the old selection but it won't select a new one. At that point the timer just "free wheels" until a cycle is firmly selected. I have seen them when the pin stops no longer work as well. I have a machine just like yours in my storage (in white) so if you can't make that function work, maybe I can access mine and with pictures etc. we can determine what is not working on yours. Let me know if I can help you - there are a number of knowledgeable people here so I'm fairly sure that someone here will be able to help you get over any hurdles you have. | ||
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Post# 270758 , Reply# 37 3/19/2008 at 17:16 (5,880 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Also about the wig wag
Patrick - Everyone seems to be thinking the wig wag (control magnet) is causing your lack of spin and agitate issues, and I would agree as well. Don't be too alarmed that it doesn't agitate though as some machines have a dry agitate portion in the timer (usually where suds return would be OR in the last 2 minutes of wash) but others don't. Yours may not be able (per the timer) to agitate without the level switch being satisfied. Has that machine been used recently? I had a problem with my recent restore (of a newer but mechanically almost identical machine) which had not been used in 8 years. The lubrication on the spin cam bar and the yoke support had dried into a sticky glue, and the parts had frozen in place. I could hear the proper clicking sounds that are essential for spin to begin, but nothing happened because the parts were stuck. That may be something you want to check as well. Check the wiring on the wig wag - there should be a white wire attached on each solenoid (they should be two plugs off the same wire), and a red or brown wire on the left one (this is the spin solenoid) and a yellow wire on the right side (the agitate solenoid). Maybe you'll be lucky and the wiring was removed or connected wrong? Good luck Patrick - those are two VERY NICE looking machines. | ||
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Post# 270766 , Reply# 38 3/19/2008 at 17:46 (5,880 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Thanks Gordon
I appreciate the detailed info. I will print out these details and take a look at what's going on underneath. You also may have shed some light on the cycle selector buttons as one of them sticks out farther than the rest unless you push it in and then they are all flush. The guy told me it happened after he was replacing the bulb once so I'll take the cover off the control panel and see what's going on in there. As far as the last time it was used, the previous owner said recently, but I have my doubts as the machine seems pretty dry and all others I have picked up had residual water in them. Thanks again EVERYONE for all the great info and comments. Patrick | ||
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Post# 270798 , Reply# 40 3/19/2008 at 18:59 (5,880 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Recent use?
Patrick - The button trap in your machine should hold in my guess about 12 to 15 ounces of water, maybe a little more, and they stay full a long time (months) after last use. If there's no water in there or if it's nearly dry, the machine hasn't been used lately. You can see it if you shine a flash light on it with the machine standing up, OR if you lay it down, you'll get water coming out of the top of the tub, lol. Mike's suggestion about the stripped agitator is interesting....an easy way to check that and at the same time the transmission's ability to engage agitate is to raise and hold the plunger on the agitate solenoid (the right side) while you turn the trans drive pulley manually (clockwise) with the machine off. It won't take long to engage the cam bar and switch it to agitate. If the trans goes into agitate, the agitator itself should be locked and can't be rotated by hand. Switching both wig-wag functions manually like that is a good way to know if your problem is electrical or mechanical in nature. Keep us posted Patrick! | ||
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Post# 270806 , Reply# 41 3/19/2008 at 19:39 (5,880 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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What a great day--another "green" Lady K
Re: free spinning dial--Also play around with the "Select" button # 14 making sure it's not stuck. Didn't know that the Suds models had separate pumps. Always thought that the big CLANG when you started the suds was the valve shifting on the only pump. So you just may have a Suds on you hands after all, with a new hose and a few reconnections down under. Finer minds than mine will know. I love that agitator. I have a shiny mint ribbed Roto-swirl in mine and would gladly trade you in a Portland Minute. When the Penta is in full flex, the clothes get sucked down as if by a cyclone. Stunning!!!!!! Nice Work, Buddy Jon! I hope we're as lucky with the gas Duomatic. | ||
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Post# 270860 , Reply# 44 3/19/2008 at 22:33 (5,880 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Mike - I took the agitator off the post and it doesn't appear that the splines are stripped. Also not sure about the water valve but I will check it out and definitely let you know. Thanks for the advice. Gordon - The button trap is full of water so the machine isn't bone dry. It's just that under the lid and in the tub there appeared to be dust which I didn't think would be there if it were used recently. I can't really get to checking out the wires on the wig wag yet as I have other obligations tonight but will definitely go over them this Saturday at the latest. I'm hoping it's a broken wire or connection as Rickr advised. Frigilux - Yes, it is an odd looking agitator isn't it. A face only a mother could love? One thing good is I guess I have a wide selection of agitator's that would fit this machine. Mickeyd - I will let you know what's going on with those buttons and timer dial. So many things to look at. Dick - This thread took on a life of it's own and I didn't know it had started (thanks to Jon) until I discovered it after we talked. Wow a lot of Kenmore expertise here that I look forward to learning from. | ||
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Post# 270867 , Reply# 46 3/19/2008 at 23:00 (5,880 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Post# 270929 , Reply# 48 3/20/2008 at 10:34 (5,879 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Charles - I'll do my best to get a video like you describe. I know Kenmore fans appear to be just as passionate as Frigidaire fans so I look forward to learning all about them. Jon - No problem that you started the thread! I'm actually glad that you did because it motivated me to upload the pictures sooner. I'm happy that you are as excited as I am over these machines. Thanks for your friendship. James - It was Rodrigo (bestcleaning) that has the Brastemp washer with a similar agitator. I have attached a link to his pictures that show the agitator. Pretty cool. CLICK HERE TO GO TO pdub's LINK | ||
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Post# 270931 , Reply# 49 3/20/2008 at 10:36 (5,879 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Loving both
Pat, that awesome sound the Multi makes during the second minute of spin when the clutch click/bongs into high spin is just as satisfying as the famous solenoid sound the KM's make as they shift from drain to spin. Having Frigi's and KM's is almost like having two perfect lovers, neither of which you could ever dream of parting with. You'll come to love the KM's as much as the Frigi's. Promise!!!!!
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| Post# 271053 , Reply# 51 3/20/2008 at 19:48 (5,879 days old) by bestcleaning () | ||
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Congratulations Very beautiful turquoise set. Congratulations! I love the fantastic Roto-Flex agitator without base. It has deep action and better rollover. | ||
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Post# 271059 , Reply# 52 3/20/2008 at 20:41 (5,879 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!) |
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Same as in the early Hotpoints where there is no paddling of the upper waters or the surface water. Really like the extra tub room made available without blades or spirals. More than that, love how the clothes fly down the column almost Frigidairesque in action. Some where in the archives is a flick of the very action of which we speak.
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Post# 271200 , Reply# 55 3/21/2008 at 11:32 (5,878 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA) |
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Post# 271509 , Reply# 56 3/23/2008 at 02:44 (5,877 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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A Closer Look
Today I was able to start the cleaning process and see what the insides of the machine look like with the top open. Here is a pic showing how dirty the inside of the machine is. I guess this would be normal for a machine made in 1966 however I do believe this machine may have gone unused for some time.
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Post# 271510 , Reply# 57 3/23/2008 at 02:46 (5,877 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 271516 , Reply# 62 3/23/2008 at 02:59 (5,877 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Here is the lid switch. I didn't think this machine had one and once I discovered it I found out the machine does spin after all. What a happy discovery! This also seemed to take care of the agitation problem as once it spun, it seemed to do everything as it should. YAY! Love those Kenmore solenoid clunks.
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Post# 271517 , Reply# 63 3/23/2008 at 03:02 (5,877 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Post# 271524 , Reply# 69 3/23/2008 at 03:13 (5,877 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Here's the panel shot with the button that sticks out. When you push it in it becomes flush with the rest of the buttons rather than being pressed in to indicate you have chosen that selection. There is something wrong under here that may be causing the cycle selector not to find it's stopping place. I have pushed all the buttons repeatedly to make sure something isn't stuck somewhere but it seems to be this button that has the problem.
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Post# 271525 , Reply# 70 3/23/2008 at 03:19 (5,877 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Here is the inside of the control panel and the back of the mechanism for the buttons. I am wondering if it's safe to remove the retaining nuts on each corner of this mechanism and lift it up to see what's going on with the buttons. I did find 2 wires that were disconnected in here. A blue wire that comes through a hole next to the water pressure tube and connects to the timer, and a black wire that connects to one of the microswitches in the middle of the control mechanism. I will see if there seems to be any difference in operation with these wires now reconnected.
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Post# 271526 , Reply# 71 3/23/2008 at 03:22 (5,877 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Of course the washer spins! Why wouldn't it? Also, if you ask Unimatic1140, he'll tell you that even you don't do suds-saving, you should still fix the diverter valve assembly to preserve the machine's history properly. | ||
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Post# 271676 , Reply# 74 3/23/2008 at 17:23 (5,876 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Funguy - If you read the entire thread (yes, I know it's long) I stated that the washer did not spin or agitate (post 270626) when first tested. Also you may want to proof read your responses before posting as your response about Unimatic1140 and suds saving makes no sense as you have typed it. Unimatic1140 - Do you think I should replace the diverter valve to preserve the machines history? I guess I would have to locate one first to do that since the one on this machine is long gone. Maybe Sears parts dept. has one in stock! Mark - Thanks for your response. I appreciate the kind words and enthusiasm you pass along. I will be keeping you posted with more pictures and updates as I spend more time with the machines. xx HAPPY EASTER everyone! Patrick | ||
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Post# 271771 , Reply# 75 3/23/2008 at 22:41 (5,876 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Couple random thoughts
Patrick - It looks like you have a great machine! It's not all rusted in some areas that can, at least in my mind, change a machine's personality. The edges of the cabinet are great looking, rust wise, and even the corner gussets look nice. Your machine, though dirty looking to you, is not really very dirty, especially not for one 40+ years old. I opened up 10 year old belt drives (a while ago!) that were far dirtier. For me at least that would be fun to clean up.... I thought about you yesterday as I was bringing back to life a 1980 built Kenmore standard capacity machine with straight vane agitator and water fall filter. It's the first water fall filter machine that I've used for myself since I was a kid. As I was working on mine (it hadn't been used in over 10 years) I wondered several times if you were doing the same with your new toy. Regarding the two-way valve: I checked Sears online site. The valve is NLA, however if you are determined to restore this feature, I have a feeling there are ways to do that, either through used parts that undoubtedly are out there, or a NOS search using the internet. Don't let anyone tell you what you should do with your machine in that regard - that's up to you not anyone else. You'll need a facility to handle two separate drain hoses once the system is working correctly, so you may want to keep that in mine when making your considerations. About the dull tub - There were bazillions of machines made with the white tub, in fact there are probably a dozen visible in pics of the farm. The trick is going to be to find one in nice shape. I believe, but don't quote me on this, that most machines, 70 series and up, had the white tubs in the 60s. It may be that your tub has a lot of residue and dust on it - I had a machine that failed when full of wash water, and it was never rinsed. When I fixed it and ran clean water in it, it cleaned itself up. It started out gritty, dull and flat looking, after, it was pretty nice. I have one restoration to work on this summer that will need a white basket as it currently has a much newer speckled version in it. If you decide to search for a tub and find more than one, please let me know, and I'll do the same. Keep us posted Patrick! Gordon | ||
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Post# 271792 , Reply# 76 3/24/2008 at 01:07 (5,876 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Gordon, Thanks for the great info. I will look around for a used tub and if I run across more than one I will keep you in mind. I have some good sources I think. Also wanted to ask you what you thought about the selector buttons. I'm not sure if you've ever done any work in regards to those but saw that you have one of those machines in your trailer. I just want to know if it's safe to unbolt the timer/selector mechanism without a bunch of small pieces coming loose. thanks again, Patrick | ||
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Post# 271903 , Reply# 77 3/24/2008 at 17:22 (5,875 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Just thinking here Patrick....
I don't exactly know what to tell you about unbolting the timer, ordinarily I'd say "absolutely, do it" but the pin/stop mechanism complicates that and I have never had one apart in my hands, not yet anyway. Yes, I sure do have a machine like yours in my trailer - I got it from Sears as a haul away that I saved from their compactor, but did not invest any time in it before it went to storage. I am trying to decide what is the next machine I begin work on, now that I've got a couple under my belt again after the 10-year sabatical, so perhaps that one is a good bet? I do have one thought though, I have a 1970s Kenmore washer repair manual for do-it-yourselfers like us and I remember a decent section on the piano key operation, disassembly and repair. That whole topic was eliminated from my mid-80s version of the book. I will consult it and see what it says and get back to you before the end of the day today. | ||
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Post# 271924 , Reply# 78 3/24/2008 at 19:10 (5,875 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Thanks Gordon | ||
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Post# 271957 , Reply# 79 3/24/2008 at 23:22 (5,875 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Glad to help! | ||
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Post# 271958 , Reply# 80 3/24/2008 at 23:54 (5,875 days old) by pdub (Portland, Oregon) |
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Thank you Gordon. You're a great help. Well I went ahead and did it. I've taken the entire control panel apart and it's not as complicated as I thought. One thing I discovered is that it looked like the timer dial was installed wrong, like someone took it off and couldn't remember how it went back on. I think I can figure this out now and will take some more pics of what it looks like apart. I've got a lot of the dirt and crud cleaned off already and it's amazing how good it's looking. I will keep my eyes open for another tub though as this one definitely has lost it's shine. Does anybody know what would eat the glaze away like that? I always thought porcelain was pretty tough. | ||
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Post# 272007 , Reply# 81 3/25/2008 at 08:18 (5,874 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC) |
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Dull porcelain
Patrick - Detergents back in the day sometimes used fine sand as a carrier to keep the detergent granular and not clumped. If you remove the basket I have a hunch there will be a decent layer of white build-up adhered to the bottom of the outer tub. This stuff was somewhat abrasive and over time could dull the porcelain. I saw that on more than a couple machines. I had one that was so bad that the top layer of porcelain was absolutely gone until you got about half way up the sides of the basket, then it reappeared. The lower half looked like bare, uncoated porcelain, sort of like those continuous cleaning ovens that were out there for a while. I took the agitator out of that machine and found a fist full of mop head lint underneath it, as if the machine had been used to wash floor mops, probably with lots of cheap detergents. | ||
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