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Post# 276538   4/23/2008 at 21:45 (3,463 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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Well, after a nasty break up, selling our beautiful house, renting this crappy house for a year, putting the dog to sleep I'm ready to buy my very own house. My offer has been accepted on a house in Denville, NJ, about 17 miles from where I am now. Its a cute little house with lots of potential, but unfortunatley, there is NO laundry room. For now, until future expansion projects can happen, the laundry will have to be in the kitchen. I'm going to have to get rid of my full size Kenmore toploaders ( anyone interested?) and get a set of front loaders. Space is a premium so I won't be able to get big ones. I'm thinking undercounter ones with a countertop on top, need all the room I can get. Any thoughts? I'm thinking the Frigidaire Affinitys or Kenmore HE2t?? What everyones thoughts on these? Any other suggestions?

Post# 276541 , Reply# 1   4/23/2008 at 22:41 (3,463 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Re: Hi! Jim:

Hi! Jim, I just sent you an E-Mail about some Washer and Dryer info.

Peace and Kind Regards, Steve
SactoTeddyBear & SactoTeddyRanger...

Post# 276543 , Reply# 2   4/23/2008 at 22:44 (3,463 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

The Affinity series are full sized machines.Not sure if they fit under a kitchen counter. However, they have a footprint no larger than standard 27 x 27 inches. And they stack nicely. Frigidaire sells a stacking bracket for about $25.

I have the less expensive 2140 model in a stack in my garage. I did so because our local building code requires a bollard (steel pipe filled with concrete) in front of any appliances with water or gas lines. The bollard is right in front of the washer space and would block the door of a FL even on a pedestal. To work around the problem, I stacked a pair in the dryer space and now the washer space is a folding table. (the dark pipe or bollard is sticking up from the slab in front of the folding table with the red crate on it)

Post# 276547 , Reply# 3   4/23/2008 at 23:34 (3,463 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
Washer Suggestions!

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Whatever you do don't buy LG
The Frigidaire's are probably the best bet
Good Luck

Post# 276552 , Reply# 4   4/24/2008 at 01:51 (3,463 days old) by sudsmaster (East of SF, West of Eden)        

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Standard counter depth is only about 24", deep enough for a full size dishwasher but not for a 27" wide front loader.

You might have better luck if you can find an 24" European washer, such as a Bosch or Asko. Not sure if Miele still offers 24" washers in the USA (I gather that if they do, they are now 110 volt instead of 220). Another option is an Equator combo unit, which would save even more space.

Of course if you can build a deeper counter area, then a full size Affinity might do. Bear in mind that the BOL Affinity washers are more shallow in footprint than the TOL models.

Post# 276554 , Reply# 5   4/24/2008 at 02:13 (3,463 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas)        

We fit a pair of full sized top loaders in a closet in our kitchen. It doesn't take up much room at all.


Post# 276555 , Reply# 6   4/24/2008 at 03:47 (3,463 days old) by sudsman ()        
L G!!!!!

Run Run Run!Aand dont look back!

Post# 276559 , Reply# 7   4/24/2008 at 06:15 (3,463 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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I'd stick with something somewhat larger (27" x 27")like the Frigidaires and get a custom-made deeper countertop if necessary.

My Maytag badged Samsung is DW size and seems to be decent (Is this one still avaialable?) It's got a large capacity relative to its outside dimensions! Takes about one hour, though, for a mid-sized load.

Also, please watch the wattage (if you go electric) for the dryer. The really small ones have weak heaters.

Congrats and best of luck in your new home!

Post# 276569 , Reply# 8   4/24/2008 at 08:24 (3,462 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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Thanks everyone. I WISH I had a closet to put the washer and dryer in but sadly I don't. One side of the kitchen is empty, except for the fridge. I have 29 inches to play with ( DOWN TOGGLES!!!!!!) I need more counter space for now, thats why I think I'll install them undercounter and add a countertop. Heres a pic so you get the idea

Post# 276570 , Reply# 9   4/24/2008 at 09:12 (3,462 days old) by golittlesport (California)        

Congrats on your new house! It looks like you could stack a Frigidaire set next to your refrigerator and have a cabinet/counter on the other side of the washer/dryer. From your photo it looks like the set side by side would stick out too far with the doorway right there. Good luck! Please let us know how it goes and share photos of the finished project.

Post# 276580 , Reply# 10   4/24/2008 at 10:29 (3,462 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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You and what four other guys?
I know you meant centimeters. Still very impressive.

The funny thing is with all the talk on this site in metrics, metric measusrements/temeperatires are starting to MEAN something to me..... YAY!

Does the house have gas? Will you be using gas for the dryer?
YAY to the ability to have central air-condtionng with the warm-air heat! (Make sure you have some very high mounted returns for cooling! *WINK*

Did you mean 29 x 2 BTW? or 29 before moving the fridge elsewhere?

Post# 276582 , Reply# 11   4/24/2008 at 11:02 (3,462 days old) by oldhouseman ()        
Hi Jim

You may want to consider the Danby 5505W. I have the set. They are 33 inches tall and 23 3/8 wide and 23 3/4 deep. They can stack or go side by side. Certainly the size to go under a counter. Danby machines tend to be smaller. I have been satisfied with the set and would consider them again when replacement time comes.

Post# 276583 , Reply# 12   4/24/2008 at 11:04 (3,462 days old) by rp2813 (The Big Blue Bubble)        

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I'd stay away from the Kenmore HE2's. When I was shopping around for new FL machines I read a lot of negative experiences with the not-quite-largest Kenmores.

Post# 276603 , Reply# 13   4/24/2008 at 15:21 (3,462 days old) by askomiele (belgium)        

the new bosch axiss washer and dryer... bigger capacity and small footprint! Look at the bosch website!

Post# 276604 , Reply# 14   4/24/2008 at 15:31 (3,462 days old) by funguy10 ()        

Whirlpool Duet HT

Post# 276607 , Reply# 15   4/24/2008 at 15:40 (3,462 days old) by soapnsuds ()        

Hi Jim,

Sorry to hear you've had several changes that have not been great. A new home though is a is a wonderful, happy new start and buying a new washer and dryer is about as good as it gets! ;)

I have had great service from both sets of LG's I've owned. I just bought a new set last weekend. But mine too are in the kitchen and they are a bit big. It's like having a Buick parked in the corner!

The Frigidaire Affinity's are great. I've had those too. Very quick wash cycles, but they do an pretty good job.

Happy shopping and best of luck in your new home. - Laurent

Post# 276619 , Reply# 16   4/24/2008 at 17:18 (3,462 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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I'm actually thinking of sliding the fridge down towards that empty space with a 12 inch cabinet/counter top in the corner. That would free up alot of room where the fridge is currently. I also have to squeeze some sort of pantry type cabinet in because there is NO room for food. I've noticed alot of machines say "27 inch depth. Does that include hoses sticking out (Down again Toggles!!!) ? or is it more like 29+ inches when all is said and done?

Post# 276631 , Reply# 17   4/24/2008 at 19:06 (3,462 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod)        
Hey Jim

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It's Eddie(Toploader55) I have your Mobile Maid. My Dad's house is Exit 12 Blairstown. I will be scooting past Denville next week.(Route 80) What'cha got ? I could grab them on my way back to the Cape, as I will be on vacation next week.Could you send me some pics ?

Post# 276707 , Reply# 18   4/25/2008 at 08:21 (3,461 days old) by westie2 ()        
New FL's

Jim we just bought this dryer to go with our FL we bought 4 years ago just as they came out. We had a GE dryer and when the kitchen and utility flooded we decied we wanted to stack them in the utility room to give us more pantry space. The stacking kit comes with the dryer so no extra purchase and they are always (almost) on sale. These are made by Frigidaire. I think that with the duct coming out the back on our dryer and using the periscope to come out the are about 3 inches from the wall. If you want you can buy the kit to move the vent to either left or right sides of the dryer. I can add pictures tonight if you want to see.


Post# 276723 , Reply# 19   4/25/2008 at 10:47 (3,461 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        

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I am sorry you have had to go through so much. Your dog probably will be the only real, genuine loss when you look back in 30 years. Seems that way to me, anyway.
I have a Frigidaire washer and dryer set up in my mom's kitchen. The washer came out to be 29" with hoses attached, obviously I used the 90 variation on the water inlets.
The dryer was a bit trickier, I could not go flush against the wall, so had to buy one of those kits that let you move the exhaust point back and forth several inches. But that was just a special situation, you shouldn't have that problem.
If you do go with this type of solution, a few things I have learned over the last years. One, depending on where you buy and under what brand name, these washers and dryers vary in price by more than double. Ridiculous, but there it is. The "old" style round door, the "new" style round door and the square door no not necessarily look good together, so shop around. The very newest square door units may not have the same quality as the older style, only time will tell.
If you take the tops off and put them under counter-tops, you will need to put flat covers on them. I used some 1/8" plexiglass I had lying around (hail country, stuff is always in stock) but SEARS has them in stock in metal at a decent price. Home Depot swore back and forth, up and down they didn't exist.
If you can't do a deeper counter, you can go with the US standard depth and just add on the extra inches in the back as cooling grids. I would not support the counter on the machines directly, been there, tried it, the washer shook the counter badly. Laid felt down on top, problem solved.
The dryers are real honest 220V split-phase, so you'll need to run the appropriate line for them. I would definitely go with the separate ground on these because of the sensitive electronics.
Oh, have had the water hook-ups leak a bit twice, don't know what's up with that - if the SEARS idiots who left the drain hose below the door level (siphon) stripped the water inlet threads or just a common problem.
Toggles, in your dreams, dahling, in our dreams. Would explain the heels and chandeliers...(29/2.54=11.42")

Post# 276729 , Reply# 20   4/25/2008 at 12:45 (3,461 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        
Do the math honey..............

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I came to the very same result myself! *LOL*

So Jim, Gas or electric dryer and are you able to vent up easily?
Are you telling us there was *CLUTCH THE PEARLS* no provision for laundry machines at all?

Post# 276748 , Reply# 21   4/25/2008 at 15:18 (3,461 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Toggles, you so

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did not. You just dug out your old Porno's and guestimated how many, er, apperturances equal one washing machine's width.
That's what I did, came out to be one Randy Spears plus two...well, never mind.
Gosh, I would have been much better at math if we'd 'uh learned it that way.
If Dolly Parson is entering the room from the left, calculate how much time it takes for all of her to pass throw the frame, beginning...
That one for the future str8s.
Those of us gifted with the fabulous gene would get: If Bruce needs five minutes to measure and cut the left side of his mustache to military precision, how much more time does he need to trim the right side while drying his nails, assuming he only used Max Factor...
Bet we could all do fractions and poly-whatchamacallits with out eyes closed.
Hands on the desks, chil'un, as my teacher used to say. Both of them.

Post# 277357 , Reply# 22   4/28/2008 at 20:50 (3,458 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ)        

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does anyone have any info or experience with this washer? who makes em? the salesperson was of no help at all.


Post# 277359 , Reply# 23   4/28/2008 at 21:10 (3,458 days old) by peteski50 (New York)        
does anyone have any info or experience with this washer

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Hi Jim,
This is a Frigidaire made washer. If you check thr Frigidaire website you will see the simularity. I am thinking of this onf for myself also.
Best Of Luck
BTW - Did you ever get the email I sent you I never got a reply?

Post# 277438 , Reply# 24   4/29/2008 at 09:38 (3,457 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

That is the Frigidaire 2140 washer, rebadged to Kenmore. GE sells its own rebadgesd brand of the same machine, you can find it at Home Depot and other retailers. I have the Frigidaire version of this machine and am delighted with it. No issues whatsoever after two years of daily use. It does not have a heater, but if you can live with that limitation, it does an excellent job of washing clothes at a reasonable price.

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