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Thread Number: 18902
Miele Brand Commercial Grade Dishwasher (For Home Use) $5,485 |
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| Post# 306118 9/27/2008 at 14:19 (5,683 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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Newspaper article. CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch2's LINK | ||
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| Post# 306120 , Reply# 1 9/27/2008 at 14:21 (5,683 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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Miele site. BTW,the power requirements: T W O 30a 220v circuits! (Equivalent to TWO heavy-duty dryer lines!) (Convertible to 3 phase power input) CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch2's LINK | ||
| Post# 306121 , Reply# 2 9/27/2008 at 14:23 (5,683 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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Installation and Specifications Guide (PDF format). CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch2's LINK | ||
| Post# 306124 , Reply# 3 9/27/2008 at 14:26 (5,683 days old) by toggleswitch2 () | ||
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Baskets of interest.............. CLICK HERE TO GO TO toggleswitch2's LINK | ||
Post# 306143 , Reply# 6 9/27/2008 at 16:31 (5,683 days old) by pulsator  (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 306146 , Reply# 7 9/27/2008 at 16:54 (5,683 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Cold Water Filling
Does not always equal energy savings in either washing machines or dishwashers. Several factors must be taken into account, including as mentioned upthread, cost of heating water via gas, and or cost of heated water from a central hot water heater. That is to say if one has a ready supply of 120F water that can reach the dishwasher at that temp, there is little to gain from heating cold water up, especially if one has a tank hot water heater where water is sitting there anyway. | ||
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Post# 306207 , Reply# 8 9/28/2008 at 01:15 (5,682 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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For All You Technical Girls and Boys | ||
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Post# 306208 , Reply# 9 9/28/2008 at 01:22 (5,682 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Few interesting tidbits: Like all true commercial dishwashers, the Miele has a programme that will hold the final rinse water for use in the next cycle. Obviously if one is not going to use the machine again right away, water must then be drained. Both top and lower racks come out totally, but require a quite large array of additional items to make loading the same as one would with a normal domestic unit. If Miele thought Amercians objected to having one 220v power line installed (where one did not already exsist)for laundry appliances, it is going to take some doing to for the same market to have TWO 220v/30amp lines installed in their kitchen. Perhaps not a problem if one is building or doing a complete overhaul of the kitchen, but that is an awful lot of power. Can see electricans in upscale areas now planning that new pool or summer house! *LOL* Seems to be only one spray arm, unless the other is located on top of the inside. If that is the case,then yes it is going to need to move water along the lines of older Hobart Kitchenaid units to reach both levels for good cleaning and rinsing. L. | ||
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Post# 306228 , Reply# 10 9/28/2008 at 07:32 (5,682 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Commercials
I`ve used the G7856 and it certainly does the job especially if you need quick batches completed...if its plates n large glasses, (not stems) them these will take anything thrown at them.. g7856 has a pump pushing 400lt minute, 3phase 400v 50hz, heater rating is 8.7kw (hot) total fused load is 9.4amps, can complete in one hour 257plates + 797 pieces of cutlery in lower basket and 365 pieces of crockery in upper basket... My question is how many people did it take to stack, unload, stack, unload to measure how much it could do in one hour!!!...??? | ||
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Post# 306229 , Reply# 11 9/28/2008 at 07:56 (5,682 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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No Need For Manual Labour
When we have our friend Mr. Algerbra. Not sure how the formula would run, but all the required information would be at hand to do the math. Afterall if one knows what will fit in the racks,and if one knows how long the cycles are, it is only a matter of doing the sums to come up with how long it would take "X" amount of racks to be done in "X" amount of time. | ||
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Post# 306241 , Reply# 12 9/28/2008 at 10:17 (5,682 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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There is an upper arm for each upper basket style; You can see it in the photos in Tog's "baskets of interest" post, above. Water shoots down in a column from the top of the tub into the hollow post in the center of the upper rack, then out into the arm, which shoots it back up. A fairly inefficient use of water power, but apparently this machine is steroidal, so results may be better than that of, say, a Frigidaire DW, which uses the same principle for its upper rack (or at least it did when I owned one a few years back...) I would LOVE to have one of these Miele machines. I'm the textbook-case customer for it. I do a lot of entertaining and would benefit from a machine in which plates, flatware and glasses can be washed in 10 minutes. However, I do not have space in my fusebox for two 200-volt lines. Nor do I have $5,000. Buzzzzzz: Dream over! ;) | ||
| Post# 306254 , Reply# 13 9/28/2008 at 12:26 (5,682 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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Who is going to be the first one in the group to purchase one of big bad boys LOL. | ||
| Post# 306265 , Reply# 14 9/28/2008 at 14:26 (5,682 days old) by irishwashguy (Salem,Oregon.............A Capital City) | ||
I did play with it at Basco where they have one live
I fell in LOVE wth it almost a year ago. When I move to my new house, I would consider it. My sales person, when I broached the idea with him, said I could get as much dishwasher with a domestic model that would be fine for my needs, belive it or not wants to talk me out of it. At the moment, it is all hypothetical any way. I have to wait to move, it is a pretty serious hook up, plus they are loud machines compared to the ultra quiet units that they have now. It is funny, the program indicator counts up instead of down. I have a thing for commercial things, I always have.
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Post# 306282 , Reply# 15 9/28/2008 at 17:29 (5,682 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Keeping in mind that true commercial dishwashers mainly finish the job previously done by hand washing. One wonders how well this uber-sized dishwasher would do with a Consumer's Report type test. You know, packed full of grossly filthy dishes (and not just with sauce,but really tough foods like oatmeal, rice, etc),in only 10 minutes. L. | ||
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Post# 306317 , Reply# 16 9/28/2008 at 20:53 (5,682 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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For Chr**t's Sake!
"If Miele thought Amercians objected to having one 220v power line installed (where one did not already exsist)for laundry appliances, it is going to take some doing to for the same market to have TWO 220v/30amp lines installed in their kitchen." Why the hell then don't they or LG start marketing(as I've asked for a million times)a large capacity front loader that runs on 220V so I can have my 200 F water when I want it? No one ever listens to me. I'll just go back to eating rocks. | ||
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Post# 306320 , Reply# 17 9/28/2008 at 21:00 (5,682 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Launderess, you're probably right about the need to pre-rinse dishes going into this machine. There's no way it can clean dried-on gunk in a 10-minute cycle. It will also be fairly useless for unscrubbed pots/pans. I guess that's why it's considered an adjunct to, and not a replacement for, a regular dishwasher. | ||
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Post# 306330 , Reply# 18 9/28/2008 at 21:49 (5,681 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Miele and others still have large sized front loaders that run on 220v power, just they are all part of the commercial range. Get yourself a Miele "Little Giant" or some such and you can boil wash large loads until the cows come home. Seriously, the market on both sides of the pond for any sized washing machine that goes above 180F, or even 140F is gradually fading. Simply put, not many textiles sold today can withstand repeated or in some cases one, boil wash. Henkel, did research several years ago for it's top brand, Persil; and found the average wash temp for European households has dropped down to 100F to 120F, with more and more homes doing 85F. There simply isn't that great a demand out there for boiling laundry. Today's modern detergents and oxygen bleaches sold in Europe clean, whiten, brighten and sanitise just as well at 120F to 140F as 200F. As for this large Miele commercial dishwasher, one is going to need a good supply of storage and prep areas for all those racks and things, not to mention a place to set up loads so things can go at a rapid pace. Think one model shows some sort of storage underneath the unit, but still. Miele showrooms often have cooking events, maybe one day there will be one of these units set up, so people can see how well it does with an average family's dinner and prep stuff in just 10 minutes. Have a strong hunch the ten minute cycle is one of those things that comes with an (*), meaning it is really only good for lightly dirty dishes or only glassware. Then again suppose if one blasted a very highly concentrated water and detergent solution heated to near boiling, it might get the job done. | ||
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Post# 306371 , Reply# 19 9/29/2008 at 04:20 (5,681 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Dishes
Hi laundress, I`ll let you do the maths, never been my strongest subject aljerbra..LOl yes a lot of this dishwashers a used in bars / cafes, small/medium resteraunts, usually with those high pressure hot water taps so most of the stuff is sluiced off before loading etc...also the dishes dont hang around to get dried on food before they are washed & ready for the next serving etc, interesting to see how they would fare in a normal household filling up during day or two perhaps!!! This link is showing all the accessories and explains how they all work, good bedtime reading!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO chestermikeuk's LINK | ||
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Post# 306412 , Reply# 21 9/29/2008 at 09:15 (5,681 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut) |
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As said before,
I'm a professional chef and I use a high-temp, short cycle Hobart undercounter dishwasher at work at least 20 times a day. I'd love to have one of these at home to quick wash my cookware, but what Frigilux said is absolutely true. While I'm sure everything that goes into that machine comes out "fairly" sanitized, you HAVE TO pre-rinse anything with cooked-on, protein based food. All that lovely hot water can't touch the "glues" that some foods form. Nothing but old fashioned kinetic energy will remove them. Trust me, I do this all day. I think Miele is clever here, in that they are focusing directly on that market of the Nouveau-Richies who are spending an extra 6K on professional models like mine as accessory "party dishwashers" for their new super kitchens. Problem is, they have to go to professional dealers to get them and the retail boys like Aitoro, Clarke, Elgot, and others loose that little bit of business. It's a pretty machine, but I think you'd have to be rich and a little stupid to buy it. Those Hobarts are still a better deal. Laundress, I want my boil wash specifically for my Chef's clothing that are all cotton and disgustingly dirty. Can you direct me to a site for the Miele "little giant"? My LG does a pretty good job on them, but it never gets quite hot enough and I don't want to wait 2 and a half hours for 120v to heat the damn water. | ||
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Post# 306459 , Reply# 23 9/29/2008 at 15:23 (5,681 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Miele
Last time one checked, could be found on Miele USA's website under "professional" appliances. Miele claims to sell quite a few of these large units in the United States for domestic use,mainly to those residing in "MacMansions", who have the funds, space and above all amount of laundry requiring processing. Other purchasers would be B&B', small hotels and the like. If you have a 220v line already installed, and it is 30amp, there is always the odd Electrolux and such on eBay. You could always get yourself a boiling pot and "boil" washed laundry with some oxygen bleach to remove stubborn stains and enhance whitening. More labour intensive than using a washing machine with 220v heating power, but will still get you where you want to be. L. | ||
| Post# 306518 , Reply# 24 9/29/2008 at 19:25 (5,681 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Little Giants! For Bajaepuma. I hope you enjoy it! Emilio CLICK HERE TO GO TO thor's LINK | ||
| Post# 306519 , Reply# 25 9/29/2008 at 19:26 (5,681 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Technical Specifications Impressive! CLICK HERE TO GO TO thor's LINK | ||
| Post# 306520 , Reply# 26 9/29/2008 at 19:27 (5,681 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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Info Sheet ...in .pdf format. CLICK HERE TO GO TO thor's LINK | ||
| Post# 306521 , Reply# 27 9/29/2008 at 19:29 (5,681 days old) by thor (Buenos Aires) | ||
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This is the right URL... ...for the .pdf format spec. sheet. CLICK HERE TO GO TO thor's LINK | ||
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Post# 306843 , Reply# 29 10/1/2008 at 02:41 (5,679 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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If you have ever seen what the "help" does with china and glassware at catered affairs, you would never use Baccarat! Plain old hotel grade stuff will do nicely. LOL* It is sort of like giving the valet keys to your new (insert your favourite high priced and sexy car here), and asking him to take it out and get the tank filled. One could see this Uber Miele in group homes, or maybe a small B&B, but other than that at 5K it seems like overkill for a problem that can easily be solved with two dishwashers, for much less cost. Just wait, one will be on eBay sooner or later, going for much less than 5K, I shouldn't wonder. | ||
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