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Post# 307347   10/3/2008 at 00:27 (5,655 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        

Got a few chance to help my cousin choose a new dishwasher. Both of us have researched online and there is no clear winner.

Here are the choices:

GE ZBD6880k Monogram $379
LG LDF7810 $479
Kenmore Elite 665.13783k603 $479
Kitchenaid KUDP02crbs1 $389
Bosch SHE66c05uc $551

These area all either floor samples, returns or refurb's at the local Sears outlet. Her's is a two person family, she has a 4 yar old daughter, so capacity is not a big factor. She currently has a BOL Kenmore builders special.

What's the best pick???





Post# 307367 , Reply# 1   10/3/2008 at 04:29 (5,655 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
I would go with the:

Kenmore Elite 665.13783k603 $479

Keep us posted as to which one you both decide on getting.

Peace and Great Kenmore Dishwashing, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 307430 , Reply# 2   10/3/2008 at 11:08 (5,654 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        

Thanks, but why?

Post# 307440 , Reply# 3   10/3/2008 at 11:36 (5,654 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
New Electrolux Dishwasher

Take a look at the new Electrolux Dishwashers. They seem to get good reviews on the gardenweb. I understand the service is great also.

Ray


Post# 307442 , Reply# 4   10/3/2008 at 12:00 (5,654 days old) by variomatic ()        

I would never go for one more Electrolux (AEG) dishwasher, as I used to have one for the past 5 years, till it finally broke down last December. It cleaned very bad and I never was satisfied with it! Since then I have a Bosch dishwasher and this one is GREAT! I get excellent results and it even blasts away hardly baked on food, like from lasagna and so on. I never had a better dishwasher than my Bosch.

So, heres a casserole with baked on food, which had been excellently cleaned on the ECO 50° cycle!!


Post# 307443 , Reply# 5   10/3/2008 at 12:03 (5,654 days old) by variomatic ()        
And..

...it looks very nice!

Post# 307467 , Reply# 6   10/3/2008 at 15:26 (5,654 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        
Nino

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I don't think Electrolux dishwashers in the USA are AEG machines. Here's a link:

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Post# 307472 , Reply# 7   10/3/2008 at 15:44 (5,654 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

Inexpensve, relaible, proven and no-frills.
Whirlpool power-clean module DW (NOT the tall tub)
Can't beat it with a stick, especially at that price point.


Look for any WP (or the Kenmore equivalent)branded machine that has two access doors (not the new style; one-piece) and make sure it has a ROUND filter and pump area. The one with a rectangular filter near the right rear is a BOL POS and does NOT have a power-clean module. AVOID AVOID AVOID!

GOOD LUCK.


I heave heard many good things about the Bosch. Too bad their racking stinks.



Post# 307496 , Reply# 8   10/3/2008 at 19:56 (5,654 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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I have that exact same Kenmore Elite. I love it. It surprised it it has performed so well and has withstood many a grimy, starchy, caked on mess bobLoad with Cascade Complete!! That was a $999 dishwasher. It was the one right below the TOL.

Post# 307525 , Reply# 9   10/4/2008 at 03:14 (5,654 days old) by sactoteddybear ()        
Why a Kenmore:

I've had several different brands of Dishwashers and except for my newer Taller-Tub Maytag 2-Rack, I've always liked the Kenmore Dishwashers.

Both seem to have a pretty good Rack Layout, in both the Upper and Lower Rack, as well as a pretty good Silverware Basket.

Other than my suggesting the Kenmore, alternately I would suggest a Maytag, except before Whirlpool buying Maytag.

Peace and Good Luck with your decision, Steve
SactoTeddyBear...


Post# 307735 , Reply# 10   10/5/2008 at 08:14 (5,652 days old) by maytagwc401 ()        

I have been using my new Bosch for the one week now. It's one of the top model of the Integra serie. It is so quiet. I can't believe how quiet it is still. And I thought, if it's that quiet it cannot clean. But I was wrong. So far everything comes out clean. Knives covered with peanut butter. Plates covered with egg yokes.
The upper rack goes up and down, I keep it at the lower position. My tall wine glasses fit perfectly. And my large dinner plates fit well everywhere in the bottom rack. I will get some pictures soon for you guys.
I had a Kenmore Ultra Wash for the last 10 years, Not tall tub. With the power clean module. It cleaned great. Was not as quiet. But cleaned great. The racks were not nylon, so they were starting to rust. The tub was plastic and you had to be carefull with tomato sauce, and red wine. The upper rack was slanted, so I could only place my tall plates on he left side of the lower rack, and my tall glasses on the right side of the upper. My wine glasses had to be almost layed down flat.
So far, I am quite impressed with the Bosch. Make sure you pick a model with lots of tines in the upper rack. Some of their bottom of the line models almost have no tines.

Good luck.



Post# 307744 , Reply# 11   10/5/2008 at 08:43 (5,652 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        
that Bosch may be a top of the line model

There is no model number starting with "SHE66", but the 600 series (next to TOL) begins with "SHE68". It is loaded with features, very quiet (dB down in the 40s), and MRSP is $1100 for black or white, higher for steel. Model number is SHE68M05UC. Models starting with SHE are the Evolution series. The line to avoid are the Ascenta, their new lower cost line without full steel tubs. If she is getting a 600 series for $551, she is paying half price for the second highest machine in Bosch's Evolution lineup.

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Post# 307773 , Reply# 12   10/5/2008 at 11:32 (5,652 days old) by bajaespuma (Connecticut)        
Two is better than one...

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I tell friends and family who ask me this question to think about buying two completely different dishwashers if their is room enough. Two machines can do the job better and less expensively than one, say , Asko or Miele if price is an issue. For me, I would combine a vintge Maytag JetClean dishwasher with a Quick Cycle, for washing pots, pans and large items, and a new silent machine, like a Bosch or a Miele for my dishes and glassware and for party use. Best of both worlds. I am always amused when I see new kitchens of new richies with two identical machines; no one's using their head, neither customer nor salesperson.

Post# 307951 , Reply# 13   10/6/2008 at 10:53 (5,651 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

bajaespuma, I agree, particularly if one is redoing a kitchen or building one from scratch. The cost savings of NOT installing a 24 inch base cabinet where the second dishwasher would sit often offsets or eliminates entirely the extra cost of the second machine.

I saw an article in the NY Times in the past year discussing the two dishwasher trend, which used to be limited to Jews observing the Kosher dietary laws (one dishwasher for meat articles, one for milk articles). But with the rising costs of cabinets, and with kitchens becoming larger, there is often space for the second machine and cost is often the same vs. adding a 24" base cabinet in the same space.

The article I saw mentioned a client with two Bosch machines, one was mid range and the second dishwasher was very basic, the 300 series with the Quick Wash feature, which can wash in 30 minutes if the dishes and glasses are only lightly soiled. The second machine is used for entertaining and the client would station a trusted friend at the machine during clean up to help load and operate the second machine


Post# 308504 , Reply# 14   10/10/2008 at 00:16 (5,648 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        
Update

A new machine has entered the mix, a Kitchenaid kuds02frss0 at $551. This is a 3 rack model with the cutlery tray up top. Anyone have any experience with this model? Epinons has very bad reviews, but that seems to be the case with most DW there.

So at this point the 3 models still in the running are:

Ge Monogram ZBD6880k @ $375

Bosch SHE66c05 @ $551

Kitchenaid kuds02frss0 @ 551

My cousin is leaning toward the Kitchenaid, I'm kind of favoring the Bosch.


Post# 308549 , Reply# 15   10/10/2008 at 09:52 (5,647 days old) by passatdoc (Orange County, California)        

The Bosch appears to be half priced because of the dent and scratch condition. As long as they give your cousin the same warranty as a cosmetically perfect new machine, I would go with the Bosch. Even the entry level Integra (hidden controls) and Evolution (front controls) do a great job cleaning dishes. The 600 series is far from entry level and is close to TOL. Would go for about $1000 if new out of the box.

The Ascenta budget line, with its partially plastic tub, may be an exception, I am not aware of anyone posting here about Ascenta with real life experiences.

One other factor to consider: you might have your cousin check with the local utility to see if rebates are offered. If one model qualifies for a $50 and another does not, based on energy efficiency, that may factor into the final decision. I can't speak for where you live, but here in SoCal the utility websites have a section for available rebates and usually you can download a list of the model numbers that qualify.

I posted the link to San Diego Gas & Electric's dishwasher rebates site. Perhaps your cousin's local utility does the same. Sometimes the merchants are aware of rebates, but at a scratch and dent center people are more focused on larger savings stemming from the cosmetic condition of the machine than whether they will get an extra $50 from the power company. If you download the list at this link, you will see that dozens of Bosch models qualify, while only four or five KitchenAid units qualify.

Bosch dishwashers do NOT have a soft food disposer, so you do have to scrape the dishes, but there is no need to rinse them. I do know some people who put dishes into a KA without scraping and they come clean due to the soft food disposer, but in my opinion that's why we have garbage disposals. I make microwave oatmeal for breakfast most mornings and I just throw the bowls--with dried on oatmeal--right into the Bosch without rinsing, they come out nice and clean. But I scrape uneaten food off the plate before placing them in the machine.


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Post# 309476 , Reply# 16   10/15/2008 at 21:09 (5,642 days old) by davy1063 (Pennsylvania)        
I bought an Ascenta

...about two months ago. So far we are very pleased with it. My wife wasn't too keen on the fact that it didn't have a heating element, and the "yuck cup" that had to be periodically cleaned but I'm very impressed on how quiet the machine is and how well it cleans. It also dries perfectly without a heating element. True, the racking does suck. Just gotta keep her filled with Jet Dry. I give it two thumbs up!

Post# 309774 , Reply# 17   10/17/2008 at 02:07 (5,641 days old) by mattl (Flushing, MI)        
The decision has been made...

It's the Kitchenaid kuds02frss0, with 3 racks. I might play with it before it gets on it's way. It's going to shuttle across Michigan via various relatives and end up in Chicago.

Post# 309800 , Reply# 18   10/17/2008 at 05:51 (5,640 days old) by pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada)        
Kitchenaid dishwasher

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here is a model that would i would recomend to you here is a link and a picture.

Pierre



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Post# 309913 , Reply# 19   10/17/2008 at 19:14 (5,640 days old) by volsboy1 (East Tenn Smoky mountains )        

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Toggle switch is right.We have had the T.o.l. dishwashers and they can't hold a candle to the Standard Tub Whirlpool Powerclean dishwasher.My Mom got a KenmoreWhirlpool Standard Tub not the tall tub ones.I was floored that dishwasher is NOT quite but you will hear dishes rattling and blows them over and I have thrown everything in it No Rinse,no nothing Tons of food in the bottom.Its spotless when done though she got it on sale for 225.It has a 13 H.p. Motor that reverses for draining and its not energy star anything.I prefer Old Hobart K.A. but the Powerclean is a beast of a dishwasher.I know though that it wont be out there for long.


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