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Post# 315386   11/16/2008 at 14:09 (5,633 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

I've had the Zanussi just over a year now and thought it was time to do a few videos!

The first shows the start of the 60c "Fast Coloureds" cottons cycle. I put plenty of powder in as there's never any trouble with sudslock on this machine. Programme 'F' is selected and I pull the dial to start. Except I've forgotten to shut the door, oops! Easily forgotten when concentrating on video making. At least it shows the interlock works.

The main wash water level is quite low on this machine, especially for one made in 1986. The machine senses the load and tops up for the first couple of minutes. Finally, the timer moves on to the heating stage, tumbling reduces and continues until the temperature reaches 60c.

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Post# 315387 , Reply# 1   11/16/2008 at 14:16 (5,633 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
Cooldown phase

 About 40 minutes later at the end of the main wash, the unique Zanussi cooldown phase starts. This involves a timed 'Tumble, Fill, Tumble, Fill...'. The water level on the door reached actually depends on your water pressure. Mine is quite high so we reach nearly the middle of the door glass.

Such a process would be unthinkable on today's machines, there is so much emphasis on saving water.

After a minute or so, the water drains out, accompanied with anticlockwise tumbles. No spin after the wash, so we're straight onto the first rinse...

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Post# 315388 , Reply# 2   11/16/2008 at 14:17 (5,633 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey tom! Great vids! I love the cooldown! Does it do that super cool down on the synthetics too!?

I remember loads of my friends mum's having these machines, the ones with no option buttons, 1 option button and 2 option buttons!:D

I particularly liked visiting those friends house's ;)

Darren

Post# 315389 , Reply# 3   11/16/2008 at 14:20 (5,633 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Forgot to mention, on my Bosch it did a similar thing for cool down! filled to high tumbled abit drained til it was just in the seal then re-filled to about 2inches higher than the last cooldown level. That was with higher water level button selected though or "oldschool" wash option as i call it!:P lol.

I do love it! Do you plan to get any more machines anytime soon?

D

Post# 315390 , Reply# 4   11/16/2008 at 14:25 (5,633 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
First rinse and drain/spin

 The first two rinses are 4 minutes in length. Here we can see the higher water level on the pressure switch (also used for the main wash on Synthetics/Wool).

The tumbling is quite constant on this machine, with very short gaps in between tumbles which I like alot. The timer actually differs from those on the 800rpm machines with no clutch on the pully.

The water drains and we reach the first intermittent spin. These are at 500rpm, being controlled by a capacitor start. There are no electronic speed controllers in this machine.
The squeak is from the suspension as the spin winds up and is quite normal for these Zanussis.

Despite being slightly out of balance the machine doesn't move an inch and never does, even when severely out of balance.

After the spin there is a static drain and then onto the second rinse...

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Post# 315393 , Reply# 5   11/16/2008 at 14:32 (5,633 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
3rd intermittent spin and final rinse

 The second and third spins don't have the static drain afterwards. The machine fills as the drum slows down.

The final rinse consists of two parts. To start with the machine flushes the softener through and fills to the lower level. After a minute, the timer moves on and continues to fill to the higher level. The last rinse is the longest of all the rinses...

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Post# 315394 , Reply# 6   11/16/2008 at 14:37 (5,633 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Hi Darren,

Yes the cooldown on the synthetics is even more impressive since the wash is at the higher level in the first place. Sometimes three quarters of the glass is covered. I will have to film it too at some point!

Glad you like the videos and pleased to hear the Bosch is doing a good job, have been checking out your videos and is similar to our old Bosch washer dryer (WFT8030).

The final spin video is to come shortly once it is uploaded...

Tom

Post# 315396 , Reply# 7   11/16/2008 at 15:27 (5,633 days old) by logixx (Germany)        
Memories...

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Yay! We had a similar washer, bought in the early 80īs and it still worked flawlessly when we moved in 2000. Was labeled Privileg but internally a Zanussi. It had a cycle dial, a temp dial and three buttons: 800/400 rpm, Eco-Wash and On/Off. It would also do that super cool-down on Cottons where it filled three quarters up the glass! I think it used about a hundred liters per cycle... And it never bothered with off-balance loads - just spun them, although the tub would sometimes bang into the cabinet.

Thanks for uploading!

Post# 315399 , Reply# 8   11/16/2008 at 15:40 (5,633 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        
Final spin

 It's taken ages for this one to upload but it's here at last!

The 500rpm spin is twice as long as the intermittents, and is followed by the increase to 1000rpm (My favourite bit!). As an induction motor machine at the time this was probably the fastest before the onset of noisy brush motors.

The slight rattle you can hear during tumbling is down to the clutch which is attached to the pulley. This enables a higher than 800rpm spin speed.

Anyway, I hope you liked the videos. If there are any questions with regards to the machine I'll be more than happy to answer!

Tom.

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Post# 315402 , Reply# 9   11/16/2008 at 16:31 (5,633 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Glad you liked them, Logixx! Privileg washers always looked smart, a pity we couldn't get them here. You're right that they do use alot of water, but the results speak for themselves. The wash cycle is extremely thorough on this series of machines.

In the UK they were sold with the slogan 'The Appliance of Science'!

Tom

Post# 315424 , Reply# 10   11/16/2008 at 18:59 (5,632 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
Zanussi Z9191T

 Hi Tom,
Thank you for the videos.
The Zanussi Z9191T was an excellent machine with an unusual Motor. The 3 speed Induction Motor not only has a centrifugal clutch but also a small gearbox. The gearbox is really only in use during tumble speed, Motor 900RPM Motor pulley 150RPM. Slow spin 500RPM Motor and Motor pulley speed 1440RPM, fast spin 1000RPM Motor and Motor pulley speed 2800RPM.

A word of caution, don't leave the house with that machine running! If you have a power cut during the fast spin, when the power comes back on the Motor does not have enough torque to start the drum again it can overheat and burn out on the fast spin windings in less than a minute. I know because I have replaced quite a few Motors in Z919T's and one in your model which uses the same SOLE Motor. Please don't worry as the power cut during fast spin is an unlikely situation but I thought you should be aware of the issue. None of the machines I fixed caught fire but the fast spin windings were burned black. The Motors were modified and a Klixon was added to the fast spin windings, your machine likely has this later Motor.

David

Post# 315425 , Reply# 11   11/16/2008 at 19:16 (5,632 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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Just watched all the vids - love'em! Just like our washer that got my laundromania started. ;)

Our washer looked something like this. But it was brown, did not have the Jetsystem, the On/Off button was to the left and it only had three buttons in total. My mother bought it because it ranked "Very Good" in our version of Which? magazine. We also had the matching condenser dryer.

Alex

Post# 315466 , Reply# 12   11/17/2008 at 01:52 (5,632 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        

Fantastic videos, thanks Tom! I remember those machines well. The tumble speed looks really fast. It looks great in your kitchen too.

David, your comment about the motor may explain something I always wondered about. The Zanussi induction machine I had (a later, `grey' machine) had a label stuck by the programmer saying something like `when selecting fast spin only please ensure that the programmer markings line up exactly with the line' - I always assumed this was to ensure a ditribute occurred to prevent OOB, now I think the real reason may been more sinister! I did used to enjoy trying to spin the drum after a cycle completed, you could hardly turn it due to some sort of higher gear having been selected, and then as it turned you felt the resistance return to normal........

Post# 315470 , Reply# 13   11/17/2008 at 05:02 (5,632 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
1000 Spin Zanussi

 Hi Nick,
Indeed that was the reason for the warning on the timer, funny I had forgotten about that yet I remembered the Motor problem.

Yes indeed the drum had a resistance when you turned it, this was due to the gearbox and centrifugal clutch on the pulley end of the Motor. They did tumble quite fast for an Induction Motor machine of that era this again is due to the gearbox; the reduction from 900RPM (6 Magnetic Poles) to 150RPM pulley speed made it quite effortless for the Motor to tumble the heaviest loads even with the high water levels. The Motor was a 6,4 and 2 Pole unit Capacitor-run on 6 and 4 Poles but the 2 pole windings did not employ the Capacitor instead relying on the fact that the the Motor was already running at 1440RPM 4 Poles (500 Spin) when the 2800RPM 2 Poles (1000 Spin) was engaged by the timer. I hope I am making sense?

David

Post# 315549 , Reply# 14   11/17/2008 at 16:56 (5,632 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Hi David,
Thanks for the interesting insight into the technical details of the Z9191T. I always noticed that it sounded and ran differently from other induction motor Zanussis. The slight rattle as the motor starts and even the timer sounds different. Technical details are very difficult to find, as Electrolux seems to have almost disowned this series of machines.

Thanks for the warning about the motor and fast spin. Mine does have the sticker next to the programmer too. It's very rare that I leave the machine on when I'm out, but I won't be doing so from now on. As far as I can make out the motor is now obsolete and no longer available, so I really don't want to burn this one out.

Is there any way I can tell if I have the later motor? I'm not sure how the date codes work, but behind the filter flap there is this information:

Mod. C 80428
F.Nr. 8604 50892

Is there any reason why the half load button wouldn't work? I've tried it on numerous programmes and it doesn't make any difference. There's nothing wrong with the pressure switch as both levels work fine during a normal programme.

Hi Alex,
That picture you posted of the Jetsystem Privileg is great! The Zanussis/Electroluxes that have the old drum and Jetsystem are very rare in the UK. These were the ones that used to spin every 2 minutes during the main wash. Either not many were sold, or there was some kind of problem which meant they didn't last as long as the standard models.

Tom.

Post# 315554 , Reply# 15   11/17/2008 at 17:46 (5,632 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
Zanussi Z9191T

 Hi Tom,
Unfortunately I no longer have any service literature on your machine. The way to check if it has the newer Motor fitted is to look through the rear casing of the Motor, you should be able to clearly see the windings. In the new Motor you will see a black plastic rectangle with 2 wires (The Klixon) attached directly to the windings inside the binding cord, the older Motor does not have this. The older Motor does have a Klixon but not in direct contact with the fast spin windings, and not visible through the rear casing.

The Half Load button sounds like it has a faulty switch, the contacts are likely stuck on the high level position. Not much can be done except for a new switch which is probably NLA. The Half Load option only works on Cottons cycles on your machine.

Yes indeed the 800RPM Induction Motor Zanussi's had a standard 3 speed Motor with no gearbox or clutch, 24, 4 and 2 Poles if memory serves me. Motor speeds 190RPM tumble, 1440RPM 500 spin and 2800RPM 800 spin.

The 520RPM models used a two speed Motor 16 Poles 300RPM on tumble 2 Poles 2800RPM on spin.

David

Post# 315556 , Reply# 16   11/17/2008 at 17:55 (5,632 days old) by 2drumsallergy ()        
Pressure Switch

 Hi Tom,
I have just had a thought.
I'm thinking your Zanussi has a three level pressure switch, if so it will have 6 adjustment screws on it. Have you noticed 3 water levels? if not the Pressure Switch actually could be at fault.

Have a look and let us know as some of the later Pressure Switches could be adjusted to suit your machine.

David

Post# 315566 , Reply# 17   11/17/2008 at 18:52 (5,631 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Hi David,

I am sure I've only seen 2 water levels on this machine, so I guess the pressure switch could be at fault. So the 3rd level is the half load level and probably not working?

I've had the lid off previously and the number of wires is bewildering. I replaced the mains neon which was no longer working (surprisingly the part was still available!), even this was fiddly business. I really didn't want to go messing with the half load switch in case the whole thing stopped working.

The switch itself requires quite alot of thumb pressure and gives a satisfying clunk-click when you press it, and is of very solid construction!

Tom.

Post# 315567 , Reply# 18   11/17/2008 at 18:53 (5,631 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

I forgot to say thanks for the info on the motor, something I shall look at this weekend.

Tom.

Post# 315683 , Reply# 19   11/18/2008 at 09:48 (5,631 days old) by robm (Buxted)        

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Hi Tom

Great videos, thank you for sharing.

As explained this has a unique motor. The two main differences I notice from this machine and my S218T are -

A, this only distributes one way
B, the spin takes longer to rev up (from distribution)

My machine can jump sometime because the rev up is so quick.

One other thing I notice about these Zanussi's is the lack of suds lock. You really have to have a lot in the drum to make any water run down the front. Presumably because the outer drum is bigger than some other makes.

This brought many memories back for me.

Rob

Post# 315705 , Reply# 20   11/18/2008 at 13:28 (5,631 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        
Warnings

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Our 'grey' Zanussi WD1012 has this warning too.

Ours has the drum tension thing going on too, didnt realise it just why though. Now I do lol,

I just love how nosiy it is at 500rpm for it to then really quieten down when it goes to 1000.

I can see this machine becoming our daily driver for a good while when we move in together.

Rob

Post# 315706 , Reply# 21   11/18/2008 at 13:28 (5,631 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Post# 315707 , Reply# 22   11/18/2008 at 13:31 (5,631 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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controls

Post# 315708 , Reply# 23   11/18/2008 at 13:31 (5,631 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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programmes - vast array

Post# 315717 , Reply# 24   11/18/2008 at 14:38 (5,631 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        
Zanny sudslock!

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My zanussi unlike Toms & Rob (m)'s has holes in the front of the drum aswell as the sides! I should think T'other robs grey panel zan will have the same drum as mine with it being a washer/dryer! Big bulky load combined with lots of water gives me a really cool suds and water billowing out of the seal down the glass on the first "blip!" spin as i can it. As it throws everything into a short spin before stopping tumbling both ways and redistributing for the 2nd longer spin, throws water down until it's cleared!

The distribution on toms is the same as mine brief quick distribution and whoosh!:D lol.

Darren

Post# 315743 , Reply# 25   11/18/2008 at 16:37 (5,631 days old) by aquarius1984 (Planet earth)        

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Darren,

Im not 100% sure about the hole thing but il look at in on saturday and see whats what with the drum.

I dont remember their being any when we last had the machine out.

They have good strong pumps on them so that helps with a good decent spin without water flowing all about.

R

Post# 316010 , Reply# 26   11/19/2008 at 14:02 (5,630 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Seeing your Z9191T has made me want to get mine and robs wd1012 out to play again.
If only it didnt weigh an absolute ton.

Great vids of a wonderful washcraft Zanussi - wonderful machine, held in very high regard by appliance repairers.

Keep em coming.
Paul
p.s saw a Z929T at the weekend! one day, me and rob will own a washcraft too.


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