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Post# 65497   5/5/2005 at 14:39 (6,930 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Yay!!!

This morning at 8.30 I had a rather nice delivery in the form of a Miele W2652WPS Honeycomb Care washing machine... Remember that clue I gave you? Well right now it's sitting next to the AEG where the linen baskets were.

I love this machine! Even more so than my beloved Matt... and I never thought that possible!!!

I will post pics as I develop them :-D

Take care all,

A very excited Jon!!!

:-D




Post# 65498 , Reply# 1   5/5/2005 at 14:40 (6,930 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

(BTW - my beloved Matt is the name I have for my AEG washing machine; not to be confused with a certain ex of mine :-D)

Post# 65505 , Reply# 2   5/5/2005 at 17:12 (6,929 days old) by compwhiz128 ()        

Congrats jonny boy!!! enjoy your new washer :-D

-Corey

Post# 65508 , Reply# 3   5/5/2005 at 17:54 (6,929 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Here we are:

Hope everyone likes it, cos I certainly do!!! Will post more as and when I use it...

Jon :-D

Post# 65509 , Reply# 4   5/5/2005 at 18:14 (6,929 days old) by compwhiz128 ()        

Nice machines! but they kinda look the same except the miele is digital

Post# 65510 , Reply# 5   5/5/2005 at 18:21 (6,929 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Glad you like the new Miele--great "Euro Styling", especially the chrome door!

Now does this machine have a "sensitive rinse" option like your AEG that brings the water level halfway up the door, or have you not played with it enough to find out yet? :)

Congratulations!

--Austin

Post# 65512 , Reply# 6   5/5/2005 at 18:49 (6,929 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Hey Austin!!

I've only done one load in it so far (a load of darks on Cottons-Universal 40*C), but I used the water plus option, and you'd be pleased to know the water rose to almost halfway up the door! What amazed me was, that after a sudsy wash with the full recommended dose of Ariel Colour liquid... the first rinse water was totally clear!! The Miele does a fairly long spin at 1000rpm after the mainwash (lasting about 4/5 minutes) so maybe this helped; (my AEG doesn't spin after the mainwash when sensitive is selected). So I actually felt using the extra rinse was a waste, so next time I wash I will try using just 2 rinses next time! I will have to post more pics tomorrow when I got the chance (tonight I was too busy finding out what the washer did to take photos, but I did have some viewers on my Washercam :-D).

I love the look of Miele's... they contain a neutral yet contemporary look. And they don't use horrible moulded plastic control panels like most other frontloader brands here (read: Hotpoint, Indesit, Whirlpool etc) - the control panel even has glass over the text on the Miele - my AEG "only" has plastic protecting the text from being wiped off. You just can't beat the build quality of them either... the Miele's weigh in at about 96 kilos (212lbs) if memory serves correct - most washers nowadays weight between 50-60 kilos (110lbs-130lbs).

Austin - another thing you'd like about the Miele. It actually spins the first time!!! It doesn't spend time dilly dallying bout doing all these bursts just to get "balanced" (It'll just slow the tub down to let all the water or excess foam escape if there is some there; but will speed quickly back up again). I think it was you who mentioned that this was a pet hate of the newer FLs. My Miele spin starts off from tumbling, gets faster and faster and faster until about 800rpm, then "boosts" to 1200rpm, with a boost to 1600rpm for the last few minutes of the spin. This means the spin cycle lasts only 8 minutes (of which 7 mins is spinning) verses the 11 or 12 minutes on most other washers. It's such a shame this model isn't available in the US and that you have the unflexible "Touchtronic" models - I'm sure you'd buy one in an instant (and hopefully Venus, you would let him :-).) I think after using this Miele, it's made me realise just how junk most of the FL's on today's Euro market is (it even makes the AEG look plasticky)... Miele is going to be the only way for me from now on :-).

OK... Ranting over...

BTW Compwhiz, there are quite a lot of differences between an AEG and a Miele. Wanna come see for yourself? ;-)

Take care all,

Jon :-) *doing excited little dance, it's just like Christmas here!!!*

Post# 65517 , Reply# 7   5/5/2005 at 19:05 (6,929 days old) by PeteK (Ontari ari ari O )        

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Does this mean that AEG is out and Miele is in? Around here the AEG's aren't outrageously priced, I've seen the washers at about $900, the Eurotechs somewhat less, but the Mieles are always way up there in the $1800 - 2200 range Cdn. Same with the dishwashers, they start around $1200 whereas the Bosch's can be had starting around $800. Stil, I'd consider one if'n'when the time ever comes but it looks like I have to keep my GE going now.


Post# 65520 , Reply# 8   5/5/2005 at 19:43 (6,929 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Not bad!! Finally a compact FL that weighs over 200 lbs and isn't all-plastic!!! Now for a modern agitator washer that's "heavy", but I highly doubt that will happen!

YAY for the fast spin sequence; one thing I don't like about the newer Frigemores is the fact that they're always slowing down, and take FOREVER to ramp up to the final 1000 RPM or so. I don't think the older ones did this.

My 1993 White-Westinghouse "Dual-Tumble" (with an AEG drive motor; although I might have mentioned this before) neutral drains, reverse tumbles to balance the clothes, starts tumbling in one direction when the timer clicks to "Spin" (and gains speed a bit to hold the clothes against the side of the tub), and then ramps up to 475 RPM rather quickly (it's no speed demon, LOL). I consider it to be one of the "older-generation" board-controlled FL's; before all those sensors!

--Austin

Post# 65523 , Reply# 9   5/5/2005 at 20:14 (6,929 days old) by arrrooohhh (Sydney Australia)        

Congratulations Jon!

Thats so exciting for you and all of us!

Tell me though, where do you get enough washing? Im quite liberal with changing my clothes and only have enough for three loads a week :)

Post# 65548 , Reply# 10   5/5/2005 at 23:46 (6,929 days old) by scott55405 ()        

Jon, this is just fantastic! Congratulations and enjoy!! We'll look forward to your continuing reports!

Post# 65553 , Reply# 11   5/6/2005 at 00:51 (6,929 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Congratulations, Jon!

 Another suave Continental in your room!


May you have many happy cycles.


Lawrence/Maytagbear

Post# 65561 , Reply# 12   5/6/2005 at 03:52 (6,929 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Hey Jon,

Again, congratulations!!! I must admit I am a tiny bit jealous!!! LOL That's a really wonderful machine!! And I wished we overhere in the Netherlands would get the straight facia machines too (never thought I would wish for something straight LOL).

There is definitely a big difference between AEG and Miele, although I always had and will have a soft spot for AEG, the Miele's are definitely superior. Overhere in the Netherlands however the price difference between Miele and AEG is smaller than in Canada, I can understand why people in Canada would lean more towards the AEG.

Happy washing!!

Louis

Post# 65567 , Reply# 13   5/6/2005 at 06:02 (6,929 days old) by mielepete ()        

welcome to the Miele family Jon!! You will never want another brand again! Now you just need the matching dryer;)

Congradulations.

Post# 65569 , Reply# 14   5/6/2005 at 06:09 (6,929 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
AEG

 Hopefully the your AEG won't feel "jealous" and "unloved" because of the new "baby" :-)

Post# 65578 , Reply# 15   5/6/2005 at 07:59 (6,929 days old) by retromom ()        
Oh Boy!

 Jon!

What a loverly set! :-) The doors remind me of the portholes on a ship! I would definitely do a few headstands and flips for a set of those! Congrats - and, of course, action pics please!

Venus (a jealous retromom)

Post# 65645 , Reply# 16   5/6/2005 at 20:20 (6,928 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
The controls

 Hi all;

Here's a pic of the control panel (Would make this post a hell of a lot more sense if you looka t the pic before reading :-)). First block of buttons are programme selection; next block is extras; then there's the block with the LCD and menu buttons, and then the mains block (with on/off and door pushbuttons).

14 different cycles:
* Cottons Universal 30-60*C / 85-140*F
* Minimum Iron (perm press) 30-60*C / 85-140*F
* Delicates cold-60*C
* Cottons Hygiene 75/95*C / 167/205*F
* Woollens Handwash cold-40*C / cold-105*F
* Silks cold-30*C / cold-85*F
* Quick Wash cold-40*C / cold-105*F
* Automatic cold-40*C / cold-105*F
* Drain/Spin
* Separate rinse
[within special programmes menu]
* Denim cold-40*C / cold-105*F
* Outer wear cold-40*C / cold-105*F
* Shirts cold-60*C / cold-140*F
* Starch

Extras:

* Pre-wash - warm prewash at 40*C
* Soak [up to 6 hours]
* Intensive. This is a useful feature... my Miele has short cycle times as default (and performs very well with the default short cycles). However if you need a really good long wash (e.g. for whites), then this button washes for longer. I'm not sure if it adds an extra rinse or not, but I will find this out when I use this option :-)
* Water plus. Through the programmable functions menu you can set this button to do three things:
1) utilise more water in the wash and rinse
2) give an extra rinse
3) utilise more water in the wash and rinse AND give an extra rinse.
Guess which one I have selected :-)
* Buzzer - gives a nice alarm clock like beep at the end of the cycle
* Real Time Delay (button with the clock symbol) - lets you set which :00 or :30 you want the programme to end at, and the wash will start in so that the end of the programme will within the 15 minutes before the real time selection. It allows in effect a maximum 25 hour time delay. Probably never use it, but pretty nifty all the same :-).

Then on the LCD display, after you've selected your programme and extras, the temperature is highlighted in the display. You use the +/- buttons to raise/lower the temp, then press OK to move onto the spin speed. Then when you've done this you hit start/stop and away you go. During the wash, it keeps the temperature and spinspeed on the display as shown; and also tells you what stage the programme has reached and how long the programme has remaining. Another pretty cool thing I found out is that if you hit the clock button during the wash, it shows you what time the washer will be finished at!

Will post more pics soon...

Happy washing!

Jon :-)

Post# 65647 , Reply# 17   5/6/2005 at 20:47 (6,928 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        
Response to comments

 Hey all,

Responding to the comments in this post :-)

PeteK,

I'm undecided as to what to do with the AEG yet. I'd like to keep it... but it might be going downstairs when the laundry room is built in August (we're having the downstairs of the house gutted and renovated). AEG's are considerably cheaper nowadays; but my feeling is because it's now a part of Electrolux it's perhaps made shipping a lot easier/cheaper; and the customer doesn't have to pay extra for this either. Also most AEG's also use similar or the same parts as other Elux-machines, with only the higher tech AEGs sporting features and parts unique to AEG washers. The high price of teh Miele certainly is worth it... you can tell on the build quality even between the Miele and the AEG; and my AEG is built better than most plastic machines out there on the market today.

Austin,

I used the Minimum Iron cycle today (as you can see in the pic), and the spin sequence was pretty interesting. Instead of a continuous spin; the interim spins were basically a short slow burst, than a slightly longer faster burst. I guess this is to stop creasing setting in; and seemed to get the bulk of the water out. The rinse water was clear too, so this must be a sign that it is effective. The minimum iron spin cycle also did these two bursts, but then also did a 2 min "slow" spin at 900rpm after the bursts. However; instead of taking about 2-3 minutes to do the bursts; the 2 bursts are done within 1.5 minutes, draining the rinse water included...! So it still doesn't waste time as such like many other modern washers. When washing towels today; I noticed that the drum slowed as the spin started (to release the bulk of the water down the drain and to stop suds lock), but it didnt stop and re-tumble; it jsut slowed down; stopped; tumbled again and was spinning within 10 seconds. But, with the load of darks lastnight (less aborbent fabrics), it just cut to the spin straight away. It also doesn't spend a lot of time in the distributing phase, it just does a progressively faster tumble then bursts into the spin.

Arrrooohhh,

I live in a family of 5; I have a wardrobe that could dress 10 African villages; and I'm a *bit* obsessive with having clean linens. I'd say about 60% of my laundry is actually towels and linens... does that explain the need for 2 washers? ;-). Another advantage is that I can now get all the linens done in the morning and hung out on the line; rather than having to put the last couple of loads in the dryer because it's gotten too late to hang them out (dew sets in fairly early around here).

Scott,

Nice to see you!!! How's it going? Thanks for the congratulations... told you I'd finally have my dream Miele :-p

Lawrence,

Again, thanks for the congratulations! However only certain continentals are allowed in my room... that's if they sport the AEG, Bosch/Siemens, or Miele badges :-D.

Louis!!!

I needn't say much more to you (I think I've rabbited on way too much to you on Yahoo!), but as I've always said you always were a late experimenter!! ;-) I have a soft spot for my AEG too. It's just not as soft as the spot I have for the Miele :-p. (OK, OK, this is the point where you start giving me Hyacinth Bucket quotes, LOL! And yes, I am minding your wall and your Grade II Axminster Carpet!!! Hehehe)

Mielepete;

As you've probably figured, I never will buy another brand again :-) I'd love the matching dryer... but unfortunately my bank account doesn't seem to love the price :-( I might just have to settle for a basic dial model, or at least one with the Scroll-Button controls (same controls as the new Miele washers/dryers in the US) :-)

Jaune,

Unfortunately the AEG is feeling unloved at the moment as it's inoperational (I haven't got around to fittign an extra standpipe yet). However as I mentioned earlier the AEG's might be moving downstairs so mum has all matching AEG appliances; and I'm thinking of donating our Bosch washer/dryer to my nana (who has a Hotpoint, which is nice, but just can't wash!!!). Although, that's just plans yet... my hopes are to be able to have both washers operational in my bedroom :-).

Venus!!!

How are you?? Your very welcome to perform headstands and flips, can we have a couple cartwheels too? :-D. Maybe if your ever in England you could stop by and have a play with these beauties :-) No guest bed... but you and Austin could always bunk up on the floor by the Matt, Therma, and my Honey (the Miele) :-). Here's an action pic of the fill for you (it cascades water down the window, in fact, relating to your porthole theory, this could very well be mistaken for a porthole on a ship at sea, in stormy conditions!!!)

Take care all!!! And thanks for your comments!!!

Happy washing!!!

Jon :-D

Post# 65649 , Reply# 18   5/6/2005 at 21:08 (6,928 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

And here's a shot of the Honeycomb drum... probably one of Miele's best and unique features.

Keep laundering :-)

Jon

Post# 65677 , Reply# 19   5/7/2005 at 01:17 (6,928 days old) by PeteK (Ontari ari ari O )        
I was also wondering

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Did the delivery truck sport the Royal Warrant for all the neighbors to see?

Post# 65693 , Reply# 20   5/7/2005 at 05:54 (6,928 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Current Bosch

 So the Bosch is a combo?

and if the AEG set goes downstairs, will you get the matching dryer for the Miele?

Post# 65704 , Reply# 21   5/7/2005 at 07:10 (6,928 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

PeteK -

I don't know!! :-(. I was actually asleep when it arrived... the Miele arrived half an hour before the earliest delivery time arranged! (Delivery was 9am-1pm, but it came at 8:30am). I must say... I hope they made the Miele logo visible when the machine was being delivered LOL.

Jaune -

No, we have a Bosch washer and dryer downstairs - I've attached a pic below. And yes, if I can afford it I will buy the matching Miele dryer if that happened, but for now if I'm goign to keep both the AEGs and Miele's in my room I'll just stick with the AEG dryer. I'm often putting 2 washer loads in 1 dryer load anyway (especially seeming as half the stuff I wash can't go in the dryer), so apart from if I'm doing a full day of linens (of which I'd use the washing line if I could anyway) then I don't think I'd get a Miele dryer... yet...

Jon :-)

Post# 65847 , Reply# 22   5/8/2005 at 10:59 (6,927 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
machine shuffling

 OK, so if eventually the AEG's go downstairs, and the Bosch's go your Nana, what'll you do with the space upstairs (I assume they're in the kitchen) currently occupied by the Bosch's?

Post# 65869 , Reply# 23   5/8/2005 at 12:24 (6,927 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

What??? Rephrase that... Besides it doesn't really matter at this point in time.

Post# 65908 , Reply# 24   5/8/2005 at 18:06 (6,926 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
washer shuffling

 "However as I mentioned earlier the AEG's might be moving downstairs so mum has all matching AEG appliances; and I'm thinking of donating our Bosch washer/dryer to my nana "

Ultimately,

AEG's go downstairs

Miele's stay in your room

Bosch's go from kitchen to your Nana's house

What would you put in space where Bosch's were?

Make sense now?

Oh, I got it, "downstairs" IS the kitchen, your room being upstairs. I'm thinking basement for the AEG's. I'm getting my levels mixed up, forgetting yours is a 2 story house.

Post# 66552 , Reply# 25   5/12/2005 at 19:07 (6,922 days old) by mrx ()        
I'm confused..

 You have 2 washers and a dryer in your bedroom!?

This sounds like a recipe for a hell of a lot of vibration due to springy floorboards..

How/why did you put plumbing of that nature into your bedroom?

Post# 66553 , Reply# 26   5/12/2005 at 19:09 (6,922 days old) by mrx ()        
You should read the installation notes regarding vibration c

 According the the installation notes that came with our miele washer, if it's installed on a wooden floor you're supposed to put a pretty heafty solid wooden plinth under the machine. Bolt that to the joists etc to minimise vibration and noise during the spin cycle.

Best place for any washer is on a concrete floor, that includes high end mieles!

Post# 66614 , Reply# 27   5/13/2005 at 04:58 (6,922 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
bedroom washers

 "You have 2 washers and a dryer in your bedroom!?"

He has 2 washers and 1 dryer in bedroom.

Post# 66617 , Reply# 28   5/13/2005 at 06:13 (6,922 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)        

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Quote: And here's a shot of the Honeycomb drum... probably one of Miele's best and unique features.

What is the advantage?

Does your new machine have a drum light?

-Tks

Post# 66647 , Reply# 29   5/13/2005 at 13:41 (6,922 days old) by lavamat_jon (UK)        

Mr X,

There has always been plumbing in my bedroom intended for a vanity unit; so I thought why not put the pipes to use and have a washer and dryer in my room! Nothing wrong with that is there?

Both washers sit on a sheet of wood screwed down to the floor. And both machines are level so vibration is minimum, and although you do get vibrating int he floors it really doesn't bother me. They will shake every now and then, but it just doesn't bother me, and besides, a bit of vibrating in the spin cycle adds to the fun! It's not as if a Miele or AEG will shake itself to death anyway. And just so you know I did study manuals for both my AEG and Miele carefully about upper floor installations before purchasing them. And yes, I know full well the best place for washers is on a concrete floor (I sell appliances), but it's not the end of the world that it's going to be on a wooden floor for the next 1 or 2 years before I move out.

Toggleswitch,

The honeycomb tub is seen by Miele as it's best feature probably due to "ultimate" fabric care. However only difference I've noticed is no pimples on towels after a spin, but I don't see any real advantage myself. I've washed woollies in normal drum washers for years without any snagging. But it's a nice and cool feature to have anyway!

BTW, yes, it does has an interior light. It's a Miele, for god's sake ;-)

Take care,

Jon

Post# 66656 , Reply# 30   5/13/2005 at 16:20 (6,922 days old) by mrx ()        
Jon

 Jon,

Nothing wrong with the location, I was just wondering how come they ended up in the bedroom :)

We'd an old Thor 850XD washer-dryer from the late 1970s that used to dance around the place while spinning at 850RPM creating an huge racket in the process.

I think it may have been the same machine that was made by Coleston in the UK ? I know any spares we ever had to get for it during the 1980s were branded Ariston. It had two vent "holes" at the back and a fluff filter that sat over them and vented directly into the room when drying. Also, drain filter was like a round comb full of spikes. Very unlike the strainers that are found in most front loaders.

Also had two chrome bars at the front near the bottom, you pulled them up and wheels came down making it possible to pull the machine out... quite a clever idea, have never seen it on any other machine since.

Our miele (the pre-honeycomb days) doesn't have a light in the washer, however, there is of course a light in the dryer.

Btw, our fairly basic novotronic vented dryer is a fantastic machine. It just works exceptionally well, has the same build quality as the washing machine and is extremely quiet in operation.

And obviously fully sensor controlled.


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