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Post# 322220   1/2/2009 at 16:50 (5,564 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()        

I was in walsall on a day out and i went to this Asda living place.

There standing infront in white was this beko 1200 WMA620W
and next to it was an indesit with 1200. The indesit was priced over £210 WITH LOOSE PADDLES!! and the beko with stiff paddles?????

£185 is that a bargain or what, to me it is and id have one as it has the bosch drum (the siemens from netherlands on youtube lol)





Post# 322227 , Reply# 1   1/2/2009 at 17:19 (5,564 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Bosch drum?

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Ok, I'm confused.

Beko's have a Bosch drum?

I would have thought that given that Beko is an Arcelik (Turkey) company that have also owned the German Blomberg brand since 2002, that they would have been more likely to have taken product engineering from Blomberg....

....sigh, I miss my Blomberg...(which in the UK was technically a Brandt...)

...and I would LOVE one of the new ones.....


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Post# 322234 , Reply# 2   1/2/2009 at 17:58 (5,564 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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But blomberg take a long time to wash but i like their designs and they need to catch up on larger capacities like 8kg and 9. like others.

Post# 322239 , Reply# 3   1/2/2009 at 18:47 (5,564 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
maybe..

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If we look at the average usage of most machines, people only tend to put 4 to 5 kg of washing in. Given that Blomberg machines are all 7kg, then it could be argued that this is sufficient capacity for the vast majority of people.

I firmly believe that many people tend to buy a much bigger machine than is required (rather than slightly larger) as they think they will use it and it represents better value. Most don't use the capacity which then negates some of the value. But the bigger the machine, the greater the stresses that are placed on it at any load size especially when spinning.

Miele don't sell a machine in Oz that is greater than 6.5kg...and I don't think they actually make one for domestic consumption. They will have reasons for this and I personally think that part of those will be that of general component reliability over the longer term.

Personally, my feelings are that they will fail earlier and more expensively (bearings, motors) but only time will tell. Many people have 4 and 5 kg machines that are going well after their 15th birthdays. It will be interesting to see if this is the case with the larger capacity machines and what ailments have affected them.


Post# 322298 , Reply# 4   1/3/2009 at 12:01 (5,563 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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yeah that is also true, and no wonder old hoovers and hotpoints lasted a long time due to their small 4 kg capacities.

Post# 322300 , Reply# 5   1/3/2009 at 12:17 (5,563 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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They survived due to better build quality!! I wouldn't call beko or indesit quality!

I'm sure high end siemens 8kg machines will stand the test of time!

Darren


Post# 322313 , Reply# 6   1/3/2009 at 16:34 (5,563 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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yeah Bosch and siemens, i really like the bosch logixx but why don't they make it in silver and with a super silent inverter motor etc. that would make me want one and can't forget power wash 60oc and super quick 15. LoL

And yeah darren you are right older machines had better quality.


Post# 322315 , Reply# 7   1/3/2009 at 16:38 (5,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
siemens

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Darren...

It would be nice to think so especially given what people pay for them, but I still have my doubts.


Post# 322319 , Reply# 8   1/3/2009 at 16:57 (5,563 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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dyson2drums: i too love the bosch logixx! I would love to get one! Adding the inverter motor and silver would be nice!

I'm sure if the big manufacturers made big capacity machines 20years ago they'd still be rumbling away because they would have had the proper parts for the job at hand i.e: Solid suspension. Not crude plastic rodes. The suspension died on my hotpoint after 8months. Proper bearings. Hell. I could go on and on. You get my drift.

ronhic: I have to agree. I've even heard of miele having the odd issue. By now manufacturers could be making some real quality pieces. But quality doesn't give repeat custom does it. It would be far more "Eco Friendly" To create a economical, efficient machine that is built like a tank and possibly updatable not just as a marketing gimmick either. That to me is far more economical than a basic washer being replaced every 2-3years.

End of rant:)

Darren


Post# 322323 , Reply# 9   1/3/2009 at 17:18 (5,563 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I forgot to mention! My brother and his girlfriend had a blomberg for 8years before they got a bosch. It died of bearing failure after spinning at 1500rpm every single wash it did!!!

They had this model in white!

Darren


Post# 322326 , Reply# 10   1/3/2009 at 17:40 (5,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Beko quality

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It would be good to know about this on current machines.

Fisher and Paykel sell rebadged Beko machines under their own brand.

...and my mother just replaced her 21 year old Asea with one as a result. She loves it.

I know that Beko quality wasn't fantastic (but it was better than Servis and Indesit/Ariston) but it appears to have become much better. Dials move smoothly, doors shut positively etc. I would suggest that they deserve to be considered if people are looking at the cheaper end


Post# 322327 , Reply# 11   1/3/2009 at 17:51 (5,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Blomberg

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Darren,

We had the model below this 1301A I think...though a mate brought his machine as pictured but in white to Australia with him and it is still going strong.

Our Bosch are not made in Europe unless you buy very TOL...and they have a dreadful service dept. here...the feedback on Choice blogs has been pretty damning


Post# 322353 , Reply# 12   1/4/2009 at 04:21 (5,563 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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the blomberg.....

am i right that it's got a progress indicator on the left of the control panel like laundrette machines, they show the stage like wash, rinse 1 etc.
I've seen a blomberg just once at a friends house couple of years ago and just got a quick glimpse at it whilst walking in kitchen LoL


Post# 322367 , Reply# 13   1/4/2009 at 05:28 (5,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
progress indicator

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Only the 1501 had the progress indicator.

the 1301 that we had did not....

Darren - I reckon to get 8yrs out of a machine that spun at 1500rpm for the money that was paid for it was pretty good. I am pretty certain that we only paid around GBP250 (or less) for it in 2001. They were a very highly featured machine for the money given the spin speed, variable temperature control etc and for me to get say an AEG was going to cost about GBP400 or more....

I couldn't justify it....and regret not bring the Blomberg back with me.

I can't think of anything else for the money that would have done that well


Post# 322368 , Reply# 14   1/4/2009 at 05:30 (5,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
progress indicator

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Only the 1501 had the progress indicator.

the 1301 that we had did not....

Darren - I reckon to get 8yrs out of a machine that spun at 1500rpm for the money that was paid for it was pretty good. I am pretty certain that we only paid around GBP250 (or less) for it in 2001. They were a very highly featured machine for the money given the spin speed, variable temperature control etc and for me to get say an AEG was going to cost about GBP400 or more....

I couldn't justify it....and regret not bring the Blomberg back with me.

I can't think of anything else for the money that would have done that well


Post# 322369 , Reply# 15   1/4/2009 at 05:31 (5,563 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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ok thanks for the info about progress indicator, and yeah the price 250 seems cheap for the quality, features etc.

Post# 322370 , Reply# 16   1/4/2009 at 05:33 (5,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
cheap is a nasty word

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I prefer 'inexpensive' when talking about quality...

Indesit are 'cheap'

lol


Post# 322371 , Reply# 17   1/4/2009 at 05:36 (5,563 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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yeah my mistake sorry but you're right inexpensive but great quality and features etc. Its a shame they don't sell them in UK anymore.

and yeah indesit are cheap but sometimes come with luck or not!


Post# 322374 , Reply# 18   1/4/2009 at 05:54 (5,563 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Servis

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According to which magazine, Servis machines have moved up from 'Below Average' to 'Average' which is a good thing at least for the lower end of the market...

...but Beko has the same reliability rating as Siemens and AEG...mind, there is 1% in it...


Post# 322380 , Reply# 19   1/4/2009 at 06:38 (5,563 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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The blomberg cost my brother £399.99 in 1999!! It was very good! It did full loads and span at 1500rpm on everyload as i say. It started billowing smoke when it died! lol! It had a few quirky features like the dial for the spin speed also controlled the delay timer! you turn the dial for spin and the outside of it for the delay time! & it had the progress indicator like a launderette machine! My bosch does the same thing except its a dial with the intergrated delay timer before the cycle progress.

Servis machines needed to up there game. Though now it seems to late for them with the current admin problems. I have an orginal servis before they were taken over which is now 25years old. & i had a merloni servis which died within two years.

Beko to give them there credit seem to be better. My buddy has one. They have a 1year old little girl and expecting another, and it's not gone wrong! I got to see a cycle when i was round one after new, the tumbles were rather fun to watch, nice and long, the interm spins were long and the rinses used a nice amount of water! The motor was abit whiney though!

Darren


Post# 322382 , Reply# 20   1/4/2009 at 06:47 (5,563 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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yes the beko machines are quite loud as my cosin brother has got one 1400 spin and 6kg. it cost him £250.

I had a servis m6115 1100spin and 5kg, it lasted approx. 6 months which was appawling and broke down four times and finally the module blew and they took it away and the hotpoint aquarius came wma58.


Post# 322386 , Reply# 21   1/4/2009 at 07:01 (5,563 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Did you hate your servis as much as i hated mine? lol. I had a gem 800. The only thing i liked about it was the fast anti clocwise distributions! I liked the wash action when it was jam packed as small loads just bobbled along the surface of the drum and it drove me nuts!



Post# 322387 , Reply# 22   1/4/2009 at 07:17 (5,563 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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yes i hated everything about it and the spin was not efficient as the 1100 left clothes wet and when we wring the clothes by hand water would come out!

yes the drum paddles were very un useful due to them being very short in height and they didn't even shower the clothes hotpoint paddles because the holes were at the side!

I used it on my own for 6 weeks when my mother went to visit family abroad so my gran or my neighbour did ironing but i did washing and many times the whites weren't whites although i put them on 60oc and only whites with whites!
So my gran had a hoover logic 1200 (old but good) and she did many of the washes in there coz it washed better!


Post# 322616 , Reply# 23   1/5/2009 at 14:33 (5,561 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Servis

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We had a Servis in a rental mainsonette when I first went to live in London in 2001. It was truely revolting. I know the machine was new, but I would have put pretty much anything up against it - even a bucket and plank of wood...

Post# 322620 , Reply# 24   1/5/2009 at 15:03 (5,561 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Lmao! ronhic- have to agree. Plank of wood wins hands down!!

Darren


Post# 322624 , Reply# 25   1/5/2009 at 15:39 (5,561 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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yes that's so true ronhic and darren coz the clothes were wetter than handwashing after 1100rpm in servis and it took an awful lot of time!

washing by hand was better i'd say! But then the hotpoint aquarius wma58 came to the rescue to help us with great washing performance with powerstream and 1400 spin which was great and quick wash times an all! 1 hour 2o minutes for cottons 50oc with time saver! And now the hotpoint is given to aunt who needed a washer and i've got the dyson which is working great again, i think the wire on the unbalanced sensor got loose so it always thought it was balanced! Now it's fine!


Post# 322639 , Reply# 26   1/5/2009 at 17:27 (5,561 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
Ariston

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What is it with Ariston (hotpoint)?

They have one of the worst reputations here for expensive repairs and breakdowns...

We can only buy them from two related retailers for more money than a basic (Thai built) Bosch and at least 50% more than a Electrolux (British Zanussi but most are built in Asia) for the same features.


Post# 322716 , Reply# 27   1/6/2009 at 01:38 (5,561 days old) by favorit ()        
British Zanussi ???

.... ok, greetings from Aosta Valley,Scotland *LOL*

...but you'll have to own even our fake prince/future king Emmanuel Filibert Savoy. As we turned to republic in 1946, his dad and him are ... jobless.
Now he's about to appear on TV @ the IT version of "Strictly come dancing" (and this isn't a joke).

@ Darren : congrats 4 your son !!!
About Bosch : your "new" one is of a far better quality than the 8 kg Logixx. I've read on the german forum these have some issues with bearings.
I suspect this is the why Miele doesn't sell the 4800 serie here in EU : they are afraid of loose some brand value with those machines that surely aren't tank-built as their standard and commercial ones.

Just about big mieles : thaks to our cat, last week I'd the chance to try a big Miele at a launderette. Here in IT launderettes are rare ... running into a "mieled" one is even rarer. I washed some huge pillows in the 13 kg PW6131. Aside there was a little giant (6,5 kg) PW6065 : it is really noiseless until it ramps up to 1400 rpm !! Even the machine with my pillows was quite silent while spinning @ 1100 rpm, despite the fact it was overloaded in the typical launderette customer way :-)


Post# 322796 , Reply# 28   1/6/2009 at 17:00 (5,560 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey mr favorit!

thank you for the congratulations! My bosch is amazing. I just wonder how long it will carry on for as the pump keeps sticking now and again and parts are expensive. If it dies i will have to find another beauty on ebay :)Though i do like the logixx models. I know they are nowhere near the quality of the WFF models!

I think if miele know the model they haven't put out isn't normal standard, they shouldn't bother at all:-) they know better than that ;-)

Darren



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