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Im very disappointed at "Affresh." I need help!
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Post# 324823   1/17/2009 at 00:17 (5,571 days old) by jn31982 ()        

1/16/09 I used affresh tablets on my fl to my surprise after the clean cycle was done the entire wash drum has calcified debris. What do i do? I called affresh and their closed.




Post# 324824 , Reply# 1   1/17/2009 at 00:18 (5,571 days old) by jn31982 ()        

here are some more pics.

Post# 324825 , Reply# 2   1/17/2009 at 00:19 (5,571 days old) by jn31982 ()        

just wanted to share this one. lol

Post# 324826 , Reply# 3   1/17/2009 at 00:30 (5,571 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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Try putting some cascade powder through the machine and run it on a hot hot cycle. Seems I remember reading another person had this problem and that's what they did.

Post# 324827 , Reply# 4   1/17/2009 at 00:36 (5,571 days old) by jn31982 ()        

Really, i ran the clean cycle again this time with Clorox. Thank you!

Post# 324828 , Reply# 5   1/17/2009 at 00:46 (5,571 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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One thing I don't understand about those "clean cycles" is there is no rinsing...At least in mine. It fills with water and runs for a while, then drains/spins...So if you use bleach/affresh/cascade or whatever it doesn't get rinsed out.

Post# 324830 , Reply# 6   1/17/2009 at 00:57 (5,571 days old) by jn31982 ()        

it fills first, drains, i can hear the steam, fills very high with water and it goes. it spins at a higher rate both directions.

Post# 324836 , Reply# 7   1/17/2009 at 01:54 (5,571 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
I can't believe I am going to say this......

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...because you are all going to think I am nuts and obsessed..

We don't have a calcium problem in most of (all of?) Australia...at least not nearly to the same degree that parts os Europe and the US do....

BUT, I used to clean the element in our kettle with.....

...white vinegar....

by putting a 1/2 cup in, filling and then bringing to the boil. Let sit for an hour. Rinse out and boil with fresh water twice....

You could try that in the cleaning cycle....whilst the machine is filling pour 2 Quarts in via the drawer...run the 'clean' cycle and then run it again without any vinegar....

Could be worth a try....


Post# 324837 , Reply# 8   1/17/2009 at 01:54 (5,571 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
addendum

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...that was in London too....with very hard water

Post# 324840 , Reply# 9   1/17/2009 at 03:38 (5,571 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Even better is citric acid, white vinegar can damage some materials. Some coffeemakers may only be cleaned by using citric acid. I did that with my Constructa toploader a while ago. Here's the before picture.

Post# 324841 , Reply# 10   1/17/2009 at 03:39 (5,571 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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And here is a picture taken afterwards.

Post# 324843 , Reply# 11   1/17/2009 at 03:54 (5,571 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        

@ ronhic
why should you be obsessed?
Here every body knows that white vinegar is the way to get rid of calcium on element or stainless steal surfaces, I even clean my pots (when boiling water for defrosting the freezer or steaming vegatbles) and my windows with it (to prevent streaks)


Post# 324844 , Reply# 12   1/17/2009 at 04:08 (5,571 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
well....

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I suppose because it seems to be my answer to sooo many issues.

...next I'll be suggesting that people put in their fish and chips of all things!


Post# 324846 , Reply# 13   1/17/2009 at 05:18 (5,571 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Most any acid will remove mineral deposits, however descaling products for washing machines and dishwashers tend to favour citric acid, and a few others, but not vinegar. Even heard one or two Miele techs say it is not a good idea to put white vinegar in the washer.

There are lots of things between and the tubs like sensors and such that could be harmed by any number of substances.

Play things safe and get some washing machine "cleaner", which has not just acids, but surfactants to assist in removing and carrying away whatever gunk inside the machine.

IIRC, Affresh is mainly oxygen bleach,and is sold as something else by it's maker (Summit?). Whirlpool just slapped a different packaging and marketing twist on the stuff.

Oxygen bleach will kill moild and germs, but does nothing for hard water deposits, detergent residue and soap scum.

L.


Post# 324883 , Reply# 14   1/17/2009 at 19:00 (5,571 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        

I use a vinegar & water solution to clean windows, mirrors, and computer monitors, TV's. I also use vinegar to clean the reservoir for the humidifier attachment for my CPAP machine. I also use it to clean my coffee makers, electric vegetable steamer/rice cooker. I run it thru the dishwasher once a month. I found a book that I want to get called either 101 or 1001 uses for vinegar. Who says it just for cooking.

Post# 324902 , Reply# 15   1/17/2009 at 20:27 (5,570 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Just a question, does fabric softner contribute to this build up> Im a T/L kinda guy, and use 1 dryer sheet a week for the dark colors and never in towels or sheets, or jeans and t's. In fact i only use it for static control, softness just is not our thing. alr2903

Post# 325086 , Reply# 16   1/18/2009 at 13:42 (5,570 days old) by jn31982 ()        
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All is good. CLR lol

Post# 325999 , Reply# 17   1/21/2009 at 22:55 (5,566 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)        

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No, fabric softener does not cause this problem. The problem is caused by using the wrong detergent and/ or too little of it. Detergent has ingredients that are supposed to sequester the minerals and hardness in water, keep dirt in suspension and flush it down the drain, all without depositing it back on the clothes and on the machine. That is one of the many reasons why you are only supposed to use HE detergent in an HE machine. If you use regular detergent and use less to reduce the sudsing you thereby reduce the amount of water softeners, surfactants, sequestrants and soil suspending agents needed to clean and protect the machine.

Get a big jar of Tang....yes the orange drink you mix with water....dump the whole thing in the machine and set to clean cycle or the longest wash cycle possible. It will remove all the calcium/mineral/rust deposits. You may have to do that more than once if the build up is heavy. You can also use CLR but be careful not to use too much as it will damage the components of the machine.


Post# 326736 , Reply# 18   1/25/2009 at 22:08 (5,562 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY)        

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I always wondered why the washer tub never got calcium deposits. So the detergent is the reason. I always use a small amount of distilled white vinegar in the fabric softener dispenser, but its not much. Could this be harming my FL machine? I see on other forums A LOT of people do this.

Post# 326743 , Reply# 19   1/26/2009 at 00:02 (5,562 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland)        

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Vinegar won't hurt anything. It is supposed to help the clothing release any detergent and soften the clothes naturally. I was on that kick for a while, didn't notice a difference.

Post# 327836 , Reply# 20   1/30/2009 at 21:07 (5,557 days old) by jn31982 ()        

Thanks for the replies...Tang who would of known. I agree with you on useing the right detergent i been using kirklands he and Tide he

Post# 327890 , Reply# 21   1/31/2009 at 02:16 (5,557 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Actually Tang contains citric acid, that's why it works.


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