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Post# 328045   2/1/2009 at 06:51 (5,533 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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I ran my bosch through a maintainance cycle today, and i went down and it was on the end of the cycle line. and the door was still locked and the prewash light was flashing!

So i ran it back through a spin and it emptied and worked fine. But now and again the pump does stick and buzzes as opposed to just draining. So i'm suspecting a faulty pump.

However for the price of a bosch pump i could get another 2nd hand machine.

Theres nothing in the manual to tell me what the flashing lights mean and theres never too much info on bosch machines on the net.

I'll just keep my eye on it and some cash aside and see what happens.

Darren





Post# 328068 , Reply# 1   2/1/2009 at 09:25 (5,533 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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I hope your Bosch becomes well again, it's a great machine.

yeah, but in case you have to save up. We had to an all, when the servis started to go mad.... coz we wanted a more expensiver model, but we had other machines that were already being used by aunt and gran. lol


Post# 328070 , Reply# 2   2/1/2009 at 09:29 (5,533 days old) by wiljan ()        

Have you already checked the pump chamber? Maybe lint or crazy objects block the pump! You should also turn the pump by hand, to check if it can turn properly!

Also, such pumps can easily be found in Ebay.. At least in Holland or Germany; I don't know if you can find one of those in Ebay UK ;)


Wiljan


Post# 328097 , Reply# 3   2/1/2009 at 14:00 (5,533 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Possible to find a pump...however..i've just spotted a bosch 6kg 1400 in my town going for £50 due to the owner gettin integral!...think i will be pressing buy it now very shortly...!

Darren


Post# 328098 , Reply# 4   2/1/2009 at 14:01 (5,533 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Heres a pic!

Post# 328114 , Reply# 5   2/1/2009 at 14:46 (5,533 days old) by askomiele (Belgium Ghent)        

Unk this looks like a relatively new machine... did you check your garantee... maybe it's covered.

Post# 328115 , Reply# 6   2/1/2009 at 14:48 (5,533 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Askomiele: That machine i've posted is the one i've seen on ebay. My WFF2000 is way out of guarentee:-) Its 11years old!

I'm goin to check the pump in a minute.

Darren


Post# 328125 , Reply# 7   2/1/2009 at 15:09 (5,533 days old) by dyson2drums (United Kingdom)        

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Yeah, if it's not the pump then for £50 thats great.

You have got a video of a Bosch like this but 1200 on youtube, and i think it said your brothrs machine.
Am i right?
Thanks for pic.


Post# 328132 , Reply# 8   2/1/2009 at 15:32 (5,533 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Okay,
So i cleaned the pump. only the tinyest bit of grit and fluff and i mean hardly any not enough for a problem. So i guess its just a tired pump?

Yes dyson2drums its indentical to my bros machine i've gots of on youtube except its 1400rpm. I'm tempted just to buy it now purely because its a bargain!

Darren


Post# 328136 , Reply# 9   2/1/2009 at 15:57 (5,533 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Though i have found a new drain pump for as cheap as £10!

Decisions decisions!

D


Post# 328155 , Reply# 10   2/1/2009 at 17:04 (5,533 days old) by favorit ()        
don't get rid of such a lady :-)

Hi Darren,
I think your Bosch is more flexible than the younger 6 kg one (i.e. it allows prewash on cottons 60°C only)
More - forget about those hi-level rinses. My aunt has the 6kg 800 rpm model and, even with the sensitive option pressed,it never reaches half the door glass as your one does


Post# 328158 , Reply# 11   2/1/2009 at 17:10 (5,533 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I mentioned it to my g.f and she said i should have kept the hotpoint lol. no way. But she was obv leaning towards me spendin £10 on a pump rather than £50 on a new machine! Though it's a hell of a bargain.

Favorit: I always enjoy your input. And your are right. There is more flexibility with her. You can do a short cottons wash with maximum capacity in 1hr!

Though the things enticing me about the younger model is the 6kg capacity, 1400rpm spin...hmmm.

Darren


Post# 328271 , Reply# 12   2/2/2009 at 05:13 (5,533 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
mmmmm

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But for the sake of GBP60...you end up with a classic A1 Bosch that you really like AND a decent specced newer model....

If it was me and I had the room, I'd snap that other machine up...


Post# 328281 , Reply# 13   2/2/2009 at 06:43 (5,532 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Hi Darren,

The WFF2000 is better built than anything made by Bosch today and it is a shame to get rid of an appliance just because something like the pump has gone.

As has been said the genuine pump from Bosch will be expensive but there are many identical parts available at a fraction of the price.

If our 6kg Siemens is anything to go by, you won't get high level rinses unless there is a severe suds-lock! I find the newer BSH machines quite boring to watch compared with the older ones as well.

Tom.


Post# 328288 , Reply# 14   2/2/2009 at 06:57 (5,532 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Bosch!!

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Hey Darren, I`d keep the classic and go for a replacement pump, even the askoll pumps are worth it!!!is everything else working okay on the machine with all the "baby washes"???

Just a thought , have you checked all the terminals, lose connection it might just be!!





Post# 328356 , Reply# 15   2/2/2009 at 14:05 (5,532 days old) by nickuk (chelmsford UK)        
Just my input.....

I owned a 1996 Bosch (forget model) and I now own a 2008 one. Much much prefer the later Bosch. Why?

The cycles. On the old one a cottons 40 wash (for example) either lasted 12 minutes on short wash, then spending 50 minutes to rinse and spin, or an hour (on normal cycle) taking the total cycle time to 2 hours. Now, I do a good old skool cottons 40 wash in 1hr 14mins. 26 min wash, 3 decent rinses and a fast 1400 spin. Or a 45 degree wash, 2 decent rinses and a 1200 spin in 55 mins. I don't need to keep telling it `Short wash' either, this is the norm and if I want a longer wash for really dirty clothes or stains I press a button. This way round is way more sensible to my mind. And let's not forget the `mixed load' option. Six clicks to the right and press start. Done. 32 degree wash (24 mins), 800 spin, 2 rinses ( also with 800 interim spins) and a final 1200 spin. 44 mins. A perfect cycle, with a decent detergent, for most colours.

The balancing. Early fuzzy logic. Machine would spin quite comptently to about 900 rpm (of 1000) over a couple of minutes for an interim spin, then decide it was out of balance and start again. Waste of time. Newer Bosch is cleverer about balancing.

Quiet pump.

Ease of use is second to none, and childlock is fantastic.

I do suspect that the older Bosch were a slightly better build quality. But in terms of usability, the new Bosch really are a practical machine. I've had mine for six months and it's my fave machine so far for running a household on. Even compared with old skool machines. And boy, am I critical of washing machines, have found faults with all previous machines annoying enough not to have owned any one for more than about 5 years max over the last 25 years, apart from the first Hoover.

In order, Hoover 800 de luxe from 1978ish (got rid of because was a very violent spinner and over the years had been extremely unreliable with countless new timers, bearings, brushes, 1 whole new motor...) However, this was the first machine and had done sterling work on `number 3' (which was cottons 95) with all the boiling nappies etc with the trademark rust running from the door down to the floor, I guess where wet soiled nappied were slopped from bucket to machine.

Bendix 800 Autowasher de luxe (1988) (left half the detergent in drawer, took softener too early, wouldn't spin heavy loads due to some sort of problem with the induction motor / capacitor)

Zanussi 1000 washer dryer (1991) (dryer fan kept jamming, getting stuck on outer drum, and burning out (scary smells / snoke etc), needed a couple of new timers which kept buzzing loudly, and kept needing new `damper pads' (??) as made a terrible noise on spin.

Hotpoint WM25 (1996) The last machine I had while at my parents' house. My fave of all the machines they had, but was a beggar for sudslock, noisy spins and leaked within a year. Whole machine felt and sounded flimsy (lots of springs twanging on distribute / spin) compared to the Zanussi and certainly to the ole 18 / 95 Hotpoints I so admired which friends had.....

Moved out..

1996 - inherited an Indesco Ariston 800 which didn't heat properly, door leaked, fabric softener went in too soon. Also inherited a Hoover which heated too much and jumped about violently on spin.

1996. Neither previous machine being suitable, went and spent about £600 on a Bosch from a shopping centre in Wood Green.

2000. Relationship broke up. Moved to a flat and left Bosch at gfs, as didn't much like (was also making scary `bra wire' type sounds by that point). Inherited Candy washer dryer from the 80s. Trashed within a few weeks - whole inner drim shaft thing cracked away mid spin cycle. Inherited another Zanussi washer dryer from early nineties - but this time an induction machine. BEAUTIFUL machine, probably the second machine I ever really liked apart from current Bosch.

2001 Moved into flat. Bought Zanussi `yellow switch' Aquacycle machine. Was an ok machine, no serious faults. I guess I liked it, for some weird reason I can barely remember it. Was quite busy having a life back then, IIRC. 2003, met current wife. Bought top spec Hotpoint. Beautiful machine to look at but utter crap at doing laundry. Smashed door glass, sparked, jumped across kitchen, returned to Hotpoint and said `never again Hotpoint'. Bought another Zanussi jetsystem, quite liked it and loved the cycles it did. Pissed off though that the writing all wore of the fron really quickly. Sold it with house.

2006 - moved house again and bought an LG. From the first cycle I hated it. Rubbish balancing, noisy pump, 40 wash was barely 30, took ages.....horrible.....

2008 Replaced with Bosch. And am happy.

Just to give you the idea that I'm hard to please. I don't think I have ever used a machine `til it's bust'. Just til I want a new one LOL.

Just my input.....I am very impressed with newer Bosch. That model on ebay, however, is slightly older than mine so I guess it could be a tad different.


Post# 328392 , Reply# 16   2/2/2009 at 17:01 (5,532 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Someone bought the bosch! and rightly so what a deal!

The new pump it is! I do love this machine. Theres also a new motor going cheap that i might purchase. As the other one does make a few sore noises now and again..

Darren


Post# 328407 , Reply# 17   2/2/2009 at 18:06 (5,532 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Bought me a new pump :-)

Post# 328435 , Reply# 18   2/2/2009 at 20:15 (5,532 days old) by electron800 ()        
Yaaay!

Glad to hear you're keeping the old Bosch :D. Afterall, there could have been a very good reason for the other one being so cheap. My Dad's just learned that lesson the hard way, buying a 2005 Jaguar X-type for £5000 and less than 6 months later he's just had to spend £3000 (maybe £5000, not totally sure) on a new gear box and drive shaft for it (I think those are the parts at least)!

Hope she soildiers on for many years to come :)

Matt


Post# 328670 , Reply# 19   2/4/2009 at 04:04 (5,531 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Pumps!!!!

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Hows the pump Darren, all sorted??

Hi Nick, good overview of machines had, I must admit I have never had a great run on Bosch washers but sold two to friends and family recently and they love em and I`m really impressed with them after using them!!!simple & stylish, yet do the job, one replaced a 12 yr old zanussi 1000spin 4.5kg load and cant get over how big the 6kg drum is and how much drier the clothes are at 1200spin....


Post# 328681 , Reply# 20   2/4/2009 at 07:08 (5,530 days old) by hotpoint9534 (UK)        

Hi Darren,

Glad you went for the new pump on this one. At this age it might be worth checking the carbon brushes to see how much wear there is. Don't let them go too low as the motor could become damaged on these models.

Tom.


Post# 328932 , Reply# 21   2/5/2009 at 15:59 (5,529 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hi chaps!
I have recieved the pump it only took a day for delivery! It only came from a shop in grimsby about 20miles away i think or more i forget.

I will replace it on the weekend :-) I'm workin 50hours atm and with bambino i've hardly had time!

D


Post# 329304 , Reply# 22   2/8/2009 at 05:06 (5,527 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey guys,
So i've got my pump and i'm planning to do the changeover today, however i was thinkin i would try and change it from the bottom of the machine so i don't have to strip it down as i'm not o'fair with how bosch machines come apart i.e the controls, do they pull off? Do you have unscrew anything. And i don't really want to have to mess around realigning the door seal and spring. But having looked through the panel at the bottom, the jubalee clips holding the hoses to the pump are pointing upwards. I do think it would be possible to change it from underneath but axcess will be compromised.

Any input from anyone would be cool

Darren


Post# 329367 , Reply# 23   2/8/2009 at 15:54 (5,526 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
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Hey Darren...

Im not sure how it comes apart unfortunatly ..

Im gonna ask what nobody else has- whats your temporary machine whilst the Bosch is out of action- Zanny maybe?

Seamus


Post# 329375 , Reply# 24   2/8/2009 at 17:32 (5,526 days old) by newwave1 (Lincoln, United Kingdom)        

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Hey seamus:D
Unfortunately time ran away from me tonight. And working 6days a week atm. So next sunday will be pump changin day!

Oh the bosch is still working! It's just the pump keeps stickin sometimes so i thought it'd be best to buy a new one for it. Only cost me £10 on ebay!!!

Hope your well

Darren


Post# 329484 , Reply# 25   2/9/2009 at 11:49 (5,525 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK)        
Pumps

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Hey Darren, does this model have a solid base?? can you not get at the pump from the back, tilting the washer forward if required etc??

good luck, I dare say with all work and then more with the little one life is pretty full on!!take care, Mike



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