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Post# 328087   2/1/2009 at 12:47 (5,560 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        

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uh huh, getting right on that...




Post# 328090 , Reply# 1   2/1/2009 at 12:55 (5,560 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Blah, Blah, Blah...

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I get those messages on my videos too. My return comment is I am not filling up a landfill with plastic HE washers ever few years like they are.

Post# 328093 , Reply# 2   2/1/2009 at 13:25 (5,560 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Joshua and Mom? How interesting.....

Post# 328094 , Reply# 3   2/1/2009 at 13:39 (5,560 days old) by ttuee2006 ()        
The Loons

Most of my videos on YouTube involve older vacuums, and the GE Filter-Flo, and I'm constantly getting messages from these crazies saying I should get a Dyson or a Whirlpool Duet or something equally lame.

I just simply reply and say that I use machines that WORK for their intended purpose...not just make a show at it.

I personally can't wait until I get that old Highlander washer up and running.....i'm sure they'll be out in force to criticize that one!


Post# 328100 , Reply# 4   2/1/2009 at 14:01 (5,560 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands)        

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Soon there will be demonstrations at wash-ins! LOL

Post# 328101 , Reply# 5   2/1/2009 at 14:10 (5,560 days old) by joelippard (Hickory)        
High Efficency!

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They just think newer is high efficency. Given the fact that most of them take at least an hour to do a load of clothes while they "nutate" and "jostle" clothes around in small amounts of water and weak detergent! I can't see any savings in having a motor run that long versus the shorter but more effective cycle of a vintage machine. What's more the new plastic POS machine will see it's way to landfill in usually under 10 years.

For example. In addition to my Frigidaire I have a 90's Whirlpool Direct Drive with the dual action shredder installed. I was amazed when I got my Frigidaire how much lint came from those clothes and how dirty the water was when I washed them. I'll bet some of these people would be disgusted to see how dirty their clothing is if it were washed in one of our "vintage" machines.


Post# 328107 , Reply# 6   2/1/2009 at 14:37 (5,560 days old) by pturo (Syracuse, New York)        

It is never economical nor ecological to replace something that works perfectly for energy efficiency alone.
When the furnace breaks, get a new high efficency model by all means, but don't just replace one, it takes about 20 years to pay for itself, that way.

The carbon foot print to manufacture metal, paint,plastic, wiring and all the components are staggering, plus the shipping of these components and shipping of the assembled product to the retailer, then to the consumer should be factors in"just buying new" with an energy star next to it just to feel better. Let's not even bring up the cost of credit many use to finance "new and efficient".

We don't really have a way to put a price tag on the enviromental cost of a product purchase like we do an economic one, nor are products labeled as such(carbon footprint to bring to market) save for EEF ratings.

Seems to me if a new product saves x amount of dollars a year in energy costs, costs y amount of dollars to purchase but costs z in carbon footprint to manufacture and deliver, one could plug in costs to the formula to see a ratio or relationship.

I can't think of single reason to throw something away that works well and purchase new just because of energy savings, unless there is a 100% rebate on the item, if you are really thinking green about things.

Appliances, like life, need to be rode hard till the wheels fall off, then fix em.


Post# 328152 , Reply# 7   2/1/2009 at 16:46 (5,560 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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High efficiency my ass!!! I bet that fabulous Kenmore will last at least 5 times longer than any POS machine made today!!!!

Post# 328156 , Reply# 8   2/1/2009 at 17:05 (5,560 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        
uh huh, getting right on that...

When hell freezes over, when pigs fly!

Post# 328160 , Reply# 9   2/1/2009 at 17:13 (5,560 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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While getting positive comments are nice, bogus comments such as these are enough of a reason for me to not have comments on.

Too funny Robert! Glad to see that having a machine outlive the current life-cycle of an appliance 5 times is a huge energy saver, from excess scrap!! ;-)

Ben


Post# 328190 , Reply# 10   2/1/2009 at 19:11 (5,560 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Wasn't that a suds-saver?



Post# 328193 , Reply# 11   2/1/2009 at 19:42 (5,560 days old) by roto204 (Tucson, AZ)        
*giggle*

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"Oh, thanks for the note. You know, I bought this new in 1957 (yes, you can be jealous of how good I look for my age), and they've worked so well that it just slipped my mind to replace them. Great point!"

Post# 328196 , Reply# 12   2/1/2009 at 19:47 (5,560 days old) by rickr (.)        

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Good point Greg, that 57 WAS a suds saver model.

That NOS machine was the same 57 model that my mother had. Same as a Lady Kenmore, without the porcelain lower cabinet.


Post# 328210 , Reply# 13   2/1/2009 at 21:12 (5,560 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
Which is why comments

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are disabled on my Youtube postings.

Folks like that might mean well, but I say, never give a sucka' a chance.

And who would want a HE-FL when they could have that beauty?


Post# 328237 , Reply# 14   2/1/2009 at 23:00 (5,560 days old) by soberleaf ()        
joshua and mom

i'm sorry i couldn't resist going to u tube and viewing that awesome washer video and then posting a tacky, nasty little comment aimed at all the people who think "energy saving" and "high efficiency" beats quality workmanship and nostalgia. but then again they probably don't appreciate "coppertone" "avacado" and "harvest gold" like i do either, nor do they have 7 dishwashers in their kitchen, all built in the 50's, 60's and 70's. oh well, i can have my say at least! it's a beautiful washer and a great video!!!!!!

Post# 328249 , Reply# 15   2/1/2009 at 23:46 (5,560 days old) by tolivac (greenville nc)        

Dumb comments like that from folks that are basically stupid-for one thing THEY are NOT paying your utility bills.the 1957 Kenmore washer will outlast the newer ones made today-as so many other posters point out.I don't think filling dumps and landfills with USABLE machines is the answer to energy and material efficiency.Yes-the newer machines will have a date with the crusher or shredder sooner than the older one.when I go to Classic Refuse Trucks website and watch the videos-there are more videos of NEWER machines getting crushed in the trash trucks than older machines.I bet its pretty RARE a 1957 Kenmore washer is set out on the curb for pickup!I ENJOYED the video clip of the machine and it did remind me of my Grandmothers machine.And don't some of these energy and water zealots have any emotions on these machines-didn't THEIR mother or Grandmother have such a machine?

Post# 328282 , Reply# 16   2/2/2009 at 06:45 (5,559 days old) by lesto (Atlanta)        

Robert, you should show them a video of the 56 Hotpoint doing it's overflo rinse. That should send them screaming! LOL.

Post# 328290 , Reply# 17   2/2/2009 at 07:22 (5,559 days old) by andrewinorlando ()        

But that's exactly the point that's lost on dopes like those....it's the nostalgia and the memories of a time gone by these machines bring back...and you can't buy that anywhere.

Post# 328310 , Reply# 18   2/2/2009 at 09:59 (5,559 days old) by danemodsandy (The Bramford, Apt. 7-E)        
What Gets Me...

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...Is that most major appliances (to say nothing of cars) use more energy in their manufacture than they will during their entire service life. If one's use of something is moderate, keeping the old can actually be the better choice for the planet.

I have a neighbour who fell all over himself to buy a hybrid SUV, which, it turns out, gets about 27 mpg highway. That's what my 1988 Volvo 240 station wagon gets without the A/C running. So - who did the planet a favour?


Post# 328315 , Reply# 19   2/2/2009 at 10:20 (5,559 days old) by drewz (Alexandria, Virginia)        

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HEY...BACKOFF the 1957 Kenmore!

Mixed results from water saving front loaders, less water, means runs longer, same issues with new dishwashers, clean sensors make machine run longer because of amount of water being used or not being used?

Also I am amazed by the number of products on the market now to keep your water saving front loader from MOLDING? SMELLING FRESH?

I don't think that was ever an issue with a vintage top loader?

I want to wash my clothes once, not like a water saving toilet that you had to flush twice...

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR........


Post# 328317 , Reply# 20   2/2/2009 at 10:33 (5,559 days old) by hotpointwf220 ()        
rolls eyes 2

yeah i prefer vintage machines to modern ones, who cares if its effient or not because u get them because u love them with ur heart now sweztoyz, how much for ur bol wards? lol

Post# 328320 , Reply# 21   2/2/2009 at 10:52 (5,559 days old) by bethann (Indianapolis)        

Maybe I should invite them over and let them take a walk through the house.With all the voltage running through here she would run out screaming calling Green 911! LOL!

Post# 328328 , Reply# 22   2/2/2009 at 11:21 (5,559 days old) by electron1100 (England)        
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Sorry to butt in from the other side of the pond, but such piety makes my blood boil............so i went for the jugular

These self appointed gurus and puritans drive me mad, we have loads of these here in the UK spouting there utter shite.............beware of false prophets always springs to mind when they get going

I work in re-cycling over here, and a lot of it is a load of old toss.........more about money than anything else

So good luck to you all.........use your fabulous machines with pride and pleasure, they are the real deal, not some overstyled piece of junk, that i would not wipe my a..e on

Sorry to rant but grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Have a good day chaps from snowing England


Post# 328344 , Reply# 23   2/2/2009 at 12:50 (5,559 days old) by turquoisedude (.)        
They just don't get it do they?

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Incredible how people just assume that modern appliances are more energy-efficient. What exactly is the point in having to run your "energy efficient" dishwasher 3 times in order to get your stuff as clean as 1 cycle in a vintage Maytag or GE would get them? And the longevity of modern appliances? Don't get me going on that!! The plastic and polymer GE 2004 washer I was using in the house in Ogden has now happily been replaced by the '66 Inglis and guess what? Clothes actually get clean on the first wash... OY!!

Post# 328346 , Reply# 24   2/2/2009 at 13:02 (5,559 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains)        
The last week,

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I have tried hard not to use any household appliance built after 1960. Cheated a bit, nuked the potatoes in the microwave the other evening. Otherwise, totally B/W cooking and cleaning.

It beats the hell out of me how a 'modern' appliance is supposed to be somehow better, just because it uses less water or electricity.

The whole point of cooking and cleaning is to, well, cook and clean.

And yes, I also picked up on the &mom point some people are hinting at.

Besides, the vintage appliances are just plain better built. Microprocessors are a good and they make many wonderful things possible. Unfortunately, their primary use is to build appliances more cheaply.


Post# 328350 , Reply# 25   2/2/2009 at 13:19 (5,559 days old) by animasinsulinpu ()        
Miss my Maytag reverse rack DW

I totally miss getting able to put my sun-tea jars in the top rack. Im a Kombucha tea FREAK!!! I can put large things in my Bosch's top rack, but not a sun-tea jar, DAMNIT!!!!......Bill in Az.....

Post# 328351 , Reply# 26   2/2/2009 at 13:20 (5,559 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

It's funny how in the early days only the top of the line machines had microprocessors. If you had a dishwasher with electronic controls you had something special. Now you can buy a $200 dishwasher with electronic controls because it's cheaper to build than a mechanical timer.

Post# 328522 , Reply# 27   2/3/2009 at 08:34 (5,558 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
She just got

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smackulated by Jetcone!


Post# 328532 , Reply# 28   2/3/2009 at 10:38 (5,558 days old) by unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
smackulated by Jetcone!

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And Jetcone's smackulations hurt real bad, take it from one who knows ;)

Post# 328599 , Reply# 29   2/3/2009 at 18:58 (5,558 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

This post brought to mind the girls on one of the Sunday morning shows green, eco green-green people. The house was cold and they wear sweaters or jackets ( to save on heat), they wash in cold water, energy bulbs etc. The whole time the mother was telling of the girls insistance to live green. ahhh us americans, it was a great big house, i kind of thought,if they moved to a 3 bedroom ranch they could be warm, and have about the same size carbon footprint. Why are so many, penny wise and pound foolish? They say there is a terrible water shortage looming in Ca. I guess you California people can expect F/L HE whether you like it or not. Who would think, it would come to this.

Post# 329086 , Reply# 30   2/6/2009 at 13:55 (5,555 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        
McMansions

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Well, for a time it seemed like the only new homes being built in new Calif. subdivisions were McMansions. Like two story, four plus bedroom, 3,000 sq ft affairs. I started to feel left out because my '41 home is only 1,650sq ft, and about 1/3 of that is in a '70's addition. In town, however, nearly all the new home construction I've seen has been attached condo style. Still big, but probably much more energy efficient than the McMansions in the burbs.

Unfortunately there really can't be much argument that a vintage top loading automatic washer will use at least twice as much water as a modern front loader. With California in an extended drought, water conservation is becoming more and more important. So while I like the old top loaders in my collection, the only machines that get regular use are the front loaders.


Post# 329100 , Reply# 31   2/6/2009 at 14:57 (5,555 days old) by maytag63 (South Berwick, Maine)        

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I am into classic cars and one article in a magazine that I read last year referenced that the state of Vermont was trying to pass a law prohibiting older cars of a certain age to be driven in their state because of pollution and the carbon footprint they leave behind. Of course, vintage car owners were up in arms about it. I can see this craziness’ happening for older appliances too!

Post# 329134 , Reply# 32   2/6/2009 at 19:25 (5,555 days old) by sudsmaster (SF Bay Area, California)        

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Well, here in California, there are strict smog rules for cars made since 1975. Earlier than that, they are exempt from bi-annual testing/certification. There have been noises about going after older cars, but so far these have not been successful. Originally there was supposed to be a "rolling exemption" where cars older than 25 years were exempted. But they halted that some years ago; otherwise cars older than 1984 would be exempt today. It does add the expense of keeping a car (the smog inspection fee is around $70) and it can interfere with attempts to improve/modify the engine so that it still passes the emissions tests but runs better. There is a whole emissions testing industry that has sprung up here... for better or worse...

Some people do use the smog exemption as a way to drive a polluter, but most of the car collectors I know try to keep their older cars in tip top running condition and they are relatively clean. Plus most collectors don't put a lot of miles on their "babies" anyway. Too much risk of accidental damage and normal wear and tear. California has a strong classic car culture and some collectors (like Jay Leno) have a fair amount of political influence. Once in a while one sees someone driving a post-75 car that is obviously in poor running condition. Probably not smogged, not registered, not insured, and driven by someone without a license as well. The gendarmes seem to cull these fairly quickly, lol.


Post# 329482 , Reply# 33   2/9/2009 at 11:20 (5,552 days old) by 18millstreet ()        
Energy efficient.....

This is the first time I've read this thread after learning of it from a friend. Maybe some current appliances are much more efficient(?),however, I really love the vintage !! I do have a kenmore(Frigidaire built) front loader also,it's nice,but noisey in drain & spin! To each his/her own. I suspect much of the "push" on new is politics. No new range has the charm of my 56 & 57 HOTPOINT ranges. Love those 1960's KENMORE washers and dryers too! Anyway, most appliances are probably mostly efficient when used correctly,some more than others. Best regards to all my fellow members,Walt


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