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Post# 66541   5/12/2005 at 18:33 (6,895 days old) by gregm ()   |   | |
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say goodbye and good riddens to this crappy Frigidaire |
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Post# 66544 , Reply# 2   5/12/2005 at 18:43 (6,895 days old) by Pulltostart (Mobile, AL)   |   | |
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Post# 66547 , Reply# 4   5/12/2005 at 18:49 (6,895 days old) by gregm ()   |   | |
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thanks Lawrence, they CLEAN PHENOMENALLY !!!!! good luck with yours too, here is pic of the ident inside the door. |
Post# 66548 , Reply# 5   5/12/2005 at 18:55 (6,895 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)   |   | |
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Post# 66551 , Reply# 6   5/12/2005 at 19:05 (6,895 days old) by rickr (.)   |   | |
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Nice dishwasher Greg! That will look sooo kewl with the stainless steel front. Those are very noisy. My parents had the 1975 version of that Kitchen-Aid. I talked them into buying that vs a Kenmore. Dad used to HATE it when mom started that thing up after dinner. It would drown out the sound on the TV in the next room was why! HA! HA! Good for mom!! LOL! The dishwasher was still running when I sold the house in 1997. |
Post# 66555 , Reply# 7   5/12/2005 at 19:38 (6,895 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)   |   | |
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This looks like a KD-21 series (KDI-61 = Imperial model of 21 series, 61 instead of 21 meant it was a convertible/portable) the 21 series was produced beginning in March 1984. This was the last of the portables Hobart made, Whirlpool bought the domestic appliance div. of Hobart in the spring of 1986.
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Post# 66557 , Reply# 9   5/12/2005 at 19:43 (6,895 days old) by scott55405 ()   |   | |
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Greg N and I must have been posting at the same time, LOL. Didn't see his info before I started yammering! |
Post# 66563 , Reply# 11   5/12/2005 at 20:04 (6,895 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 66564 , Reply# 12   5/12/2005 at 20:07 (6,895 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 66569 , Reply# 13   5/12/2005 at 20:26 (6,895 days old) by gregm ()   |   | |
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as you can see "rickr" bustin my chops as to how I find appliances though I am "not lookin", ahahhahahahaha |
Post# 66572 , Reply# 15   5/12/2005 at 20:37 (6,895 days old) by PeteK (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Noisy? My firt new dw I bought in approx 76 was a KA avacado portable but the model that had the controls on the top back like a washer so it couldn't be built in.. One dial and a rinse/hold button was all I think, porcelain interior and only a bottom 4 arm spray, no top or middle, hidden heat element. I don't remember it being noisy though. I sold it when I bought my first house with the POS built in Whirpool. It was a great dw even without the middle arm. |
Post# 66573 , Reply# 16   5/12/2005 at 20:39 (6,895 days old) by PeteK (Ontari ari ari O )   |   | |
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Post# 66626 , Reply# 19   5/13/2005 at 10:44 (6,894 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)   |   | |
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As far as I know, there wasn't much sound insulation on any KA until after WP bought them. Shortly thereafter (1987-88?) the WhisperQuiet system came out on Superba models which involved sound absorbing pads cemented to the top and sides of the tank and the inner door, thick fiberglass batts behind the toekick and motor panels, and a fiberglass blanket over the tank. The sales literature of the time also chatted about a redesigned wash impeller and the pump being isolated by a rubber ring, but I believe the pump had been isolated by a rubber ring since the KD-18 series. I don't believe any model other than Superba got much sound insulation at all (other than a thin fiberglass blanket) until the WP-based 24 series. I remember that when we got our Superba Monterey KUDS21MS0 (note post-WP acquisition model number) in 1988 we were thrilled at how quiet it was--we no longer had to leave the room to have a conversation or talk on the phone. My parents still have it, and I think it would be considered somewhat noisy by today's standards. |
Post# 66639 , Reply# 20   5/13/2005 at 12:54 (6,894 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 66665 , Reply# 21   5/13/2005 at 18:46 (6,894 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 66706 , Reply# 22   5/14/2005 at 06:29 (6,894 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Post# 66730 , Reply# 23   5/14/2005 at 10:46 (6,893 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Yup, I have some friends from church who have this dishwasher of subject. Their house was built in 1983. A few years ago they were having some wash performance probs with it and I helped solve the issues to tell the repairman. And I particularly told this to keep the machine because it was made by Hobart, a tank. I've been there many times--yup it's noisy. But it pauses between wash & drain, no solenoid. Some other friends had a KDS19. That one still had the drain solenoid. And it did run all the time, except when it stopped to heat the water, which was very major event in the cycle.
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Post# 66745 , Reply# 24   5/14/2005 at 15:01 (6,893 days old) by mikepaquette ()   |   | |
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I knew that with your fine collection you would replace the dishwasher with something of substance. Very nice machine. Michael |
Post# 66748 , Reply# 25   5/14/2005 at 15:44 (6,893 days old) by westytoploader ()   |   | |
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Wow Greg, that's a solid-looking DW!! I didn't realize KitchenAids had reversing motors either...thought that Whirlpool was the only one! I'd love to find one of these in a portable version! Congratulations! |
Post# 66783 , Reply# 26   5/14/2005 at 22:57 (6,893 days old) by gregm ()   |   | |
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yes, it does have a reversing motor, I will say one more time, it is the NOISIEST dishwasher I have EVER run or owned, but I love it !!! |
Post# 66813 , Reply# 27   5/15/2005 at 02:13 (6,893 days old) by toggleswitch (New York City, NY)   |   | |
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Hi Austin! Nice to "meet" you! D&M dishwashers had reversing motors, too! Sears, Caloric, Amana, Magic Chef were all D&Ms going back. If it were not for the "Hobart" name on the nameplate, I would have sworn that WP had taken over this KA and imposed their reversing motor on it therby revising its engineering. Or did they finally wise-up (at the end)and add filtation to recirculated water? |
Post# 66834 , Reply# 28   5/15/2005 at 12:26 (6,892 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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Post# 66856 , Reply# 29   5/15/2005 at 15:30 (6,892 days old) by deeptub (Carbondale, IL)   |   | |
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On at least the 15 through 20 series, KA claimed the filters to be self-cleaning "under normal circumstances". The inlet to the drain impeller on all of them is below the fine screen. On the 15-17 models, the any soil on the screen theoretically gets washed down with the downward movement of the draining water. On my KDS17A, I find the screen needs only occasional cleaning (every 6 mos or so), and at that point the screen is by no means clogged. On the 18-20 series, there was a single small jet on the underside of the lower wash arm that would "hose down" the screen and flush particles down toward the drain inlet. On this pump, the drain impeller was also a soft waste disposer. I've never cleaned the filter on my KDS-18 (though I continue to check it). The pump on the 21-22 series (which actually first appeared on the 20A series) had a reversing motor. While in wash mode, the drain impeller (which is also a hard food disposer) becomes part of a "bypass filter" system--it pumps water up from the drain inlet through a microfine filter at the top of the pump housing--water actually comes OUT of the microfilter in the pump top. The wash arm has a large hub with 12 or so needle jets which continuously backwash that micro filter, while a small jet out on one of the arms "hoses down" the main filter. The micro filter on the 22 series is much much finer than that on the 20A-21 series, and can be retrofitted (its the only part they sell for all 20A-22 series). Of course cycle sequences vary depending on the model, but after most wash segments finish draining (all wash segments, in the case of gregm's imperial), the machine fills with a small amount of water and briefly runs in "wash" mode to purge the micro filter's "soil collection chamber", then drains. Sometimes you can hear the drain impeller grinding something during this process. Because of this micro filter, all cycles have only one rinse after the main wash, and that seems to be fine. Many diesel engines filter their oil on the same bypass principle--diverting a portion of the oil through a much finer filter and back to the oil pan (to filter out soot) while the oil going to lubrication points goes through a regular oil filter at maximum pressure. I think the WP/KM/KA dishwashers today (except the BOL WPs with the "sewer grate" filtration and "hit-or-miss" wash action) use a similar type of system, with a microfilter in the top of the pump and a large wash arm hub with backwash jets. WHew, sorry this was so chatty. T. PS: the link is to the microfilter pump top of the 20A-22 machines. Gregm--lift off the bottom wash arm and check yours. I've come across many 21-series models with torn microfilters. It would be a great excuse to upgrade to the finer filter. CLICK HERE TO GO TO deeptub's LINK |
Post# 67108 , Reply# 35   5/17/2005 at 11:13 (6,890 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie)   |   | |
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Congrats on your new vintage find, gregm! I was fortunate enough to have a Hobart-built KA for a few years---around '84, as I recall. When I moved to a different town, I purchased a new KA and by that time they must have been Whirlpool-built, because the water heating prior to the first wash was gone.... I am a proponent of Frigilux appliances, but having said that, anything less than their TOL dishwashers SUCK. I don't know why, but it's true. I don't blame you for wanting to be rid of that plastic piece-of-crap! |
Post# 67156 , Reply# 36   5/17/2005 at 19:19 (6,890 days old) by appnut (TX)   |   | |
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David, the 18 series didn't last all that long. The new 19 series that allowed you to turn you water heater down to 120 degrees came out in 1980. I THINK this was called the Energy Saver IV. Had friends that had the Superba of this 19 series. What really bugged me was on some cycles it would fill/spray at the same time and once the water filling time was complete, the pump turned off and it sat until the water was heated to 140 degrees. I heard a couple of people tell me they didn't have very clean dishes because of that sequence. The debrib kinda baked on. The 19 series Superbas would take forever to run a cycle because each major "event" in a cycle had the water heated and a couple of the "rinses" just had tap temp fills. And this mahcine dind't have a heat/no heat dry option, it was no heat always. This was a short lived series. I believe the next series had the reversing motor which filled first without circulating and heated before it circulated. Someone graciously correct me if I"ve got some a bit out of "sequence".
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Post# 67172 , Reply# 37   5/17/2005 at 20:17 (6,890 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.)   |   | |
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Post# 67180 , Reply# 38   5/17/2005 at 20:56 (6,890 days old) by peteski50 (New York)   |   | |
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My mother had the 19 series that lasted her until last year. It actually came out in 1979. Now she has a GE tall tub like mine. In the 19 series the water heated in the 1st and last rinse to 150 degrees with 1400 watt heater going and the cycle was completly still no pump action while heating. In the main wash the water was heated by 700 watts to maintain the tempature, but the cycle was actually in progress. The cycle was relativly long compared to the 18 series kitchenaid. Drying was always no heat. You realy needed to use jet dry to have completly dry dishes. The machine was a very good cleaner but noisy. The 20 series looked almost identical that came out in 1981 put back the drying heater. Peter |