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Post# 334787   3/10/2009 at 21:16 (5,496 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        

Well I have self diagnosed my problem and it seems I just cannot turn down a "great" deal on a dishwasher!
I drove into the back of the Lowes here in Palm Coast tonite on the way home and came upon the machine in the pictures! It said it was "TRASH" on the door but there it was, a completely intact Electrolux EIDW6105GS dishwasher that was being tossed out.
It had everything inside of it except the owners manual and install instructions and the soap samples if they pack them in there!
All the drain hoses and mounting clips were there as well.
The top rack is still wire tied as well as the silverware baskets so they won't fall out of the rack.

I went inside and asked if they would mind if I took it and they told me that as far as they were concerned it was first come, first served and I could take it.

They also warned me not to confront the man with the trailer should he be there whenever I wanted a machine! He is the guy who takes all the turn ins and either salvages them or sells them for scrap.

Gee, If I had known, I would have taked the center dial Maytag A203 yesterday!

Anyway, Does anyone have any idea if these are good machines or not? I wouldn't want to install it and then be disappointed in it.

I am not a traitor to my Kitchenaids but my wife is haunting me to give he back the KDS18 and toss the KDS21-M ehich she says takes too long!

I would just like her to get used to something newer.

Anyone interested in the 21?

Let me now what you think of the E-Lux. I value the opinions expressed here.
Steve





Post# 334788 , Reply# 1   3/10/2009 at 21:17 (5,496 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Trash to Treasure?

Pic 2
That isn't static electricity..it is from the flash on the phonecam


Post# 334789 , Reply# 2   3/10/2009 at 21:18 (5,496 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Top of the world!

Controls

Post# 334792 , Reply# 3   3/10/2009 at 21:43 (5,496 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

Why was this machine thrown out?

Post# 334794 , Reply# 4   3/10/2009 at 21:49 (5,496 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Steve, congratulations that is one great find. Let us know how it works. There has to be some story behind this machine.

Post# 334841 , Reply# 5   3/11/2009 at 04:58 (5,496 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
Frigiscare

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I had the Frigidaire Pro series model which is almost identical to this unit but had a dark grey plastic interior not stainless steel like the model you just found.The lower wash arm has 3 individual sections and it is extreamly quiet.However,it truly sucks as far as getting dirty dishes,pots and pans or glassware anywhere near as clean as the GE Tall tub model I had in Florida.Also,my upper spray arm on the roof of the interior fell completely off,my wash motor(seperate from the motor that drains the water out)completely burned out during the first load ever and the lower spray arm disassembled itself during a sani cycle and melted on the heating element.All of this happened within the first two months of ownership.It was manditory that all the dishes had to be pre rinsed before loading and the casseroles and pots and pans had to be done manualy.The 1/8 HP motor just doesn't cut it.My GLD4450 was so much more powerfull,quiet and dependable and even though the retail price was a lot less than Frigiscare's rediculous $749,I only paid $90 at homo Depot due to a dent in the front panel.I had found the Frigiscare on Ebay and got it for $299 then had them ship it for an aditional $90.What a waste of time and effort.

Post# 334848 , Reply# 6   3/11/2009 at 06:26 (5,496 days old) by cycla-fabric (New Jersey (Northern))        

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We have the Frigidaire dishwasher that is identical to this one at work and the only thing the machine is used for is cleaning out coffee mugs, and it can't seem to do that well at all, I would return it and not waste your time with it.

Doug


Post# 334904 , Reply# 7   3/11/2009 at 13:15 (5,496 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas)        
The term

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I had this model in my house when I bought it, only in white. It's now in the corner of the garage. BTW--the Habitat resale shop didn't want it.

The machine I had uses alternating wash arms. It washes the bottom rack, then the top rack then rinses the bottom, then the top, then it was done. I actually took dishes out that were dirtier than when they went in. My daughters sippy cups still had milk in the bottom. I tried several different detergents. I tried purging the water line so it was all hot, I even took a pitcher and added water to the machine myself.

I put up with it for about two weeks before I sent it to the freezing corner. Anyone wants it, you can have mine. I have a Maytag 300 series now. Not as good as my old Jetclean, but it at least cleans the dishes.


Post# 334906 , Reply# 8   3/11/2009 at 13:24 (5,496 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        

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Some clients of mine have this same machine - replaced a (another?) POS GE tall-tub. Diane told me that she must rinse everything pretty thoroughly before putting it in the machine, just as she did with the GE.

It will be a fun toy - quite different machine than the Frigidaire but still a middling performer. It will be interesting to hear what your thoughts are.


Post# 334918 , Reply# 9   3/11/2009 at 14:52 (5,495 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Electrolux Dishwasher

Hi Steve. I have the same dishwasher, but the Wave Touch Controls. Model EWDW650GS. We really like the machine. Cleans well, especially the flatware. Much better than my Kitchenaid. What I really like about the machine over the other EUROPEAN models, is that this machines has two fans for drying, and you do still have to use the Jet Dry. The machine is super quiet and the blue light shining on the floor when the cycle is done is quite neat. The machine is also much LARGER than the rest of the European modesls, and the racking and tines are much more versatile. The machine has three filters on it and is self cleaning, except for the large one that would collect any large particles such as glass or bones, but this snaps out easily, (just like the ones on the Miele or Bosch), for cleaning. The machine also uses a lot more water the the other European models. You can download the use and care manual and installation instructions from the electrolux website

Now the service is also EXCELLENT! I had to have the water filter on the refrigerator replaced because it kept getting stuck. The part came Federal Express in a day, and the technican called and set up an appointment the next day. The dishwasher had to have an internal filter basket replaced, which came in a day, and the tech came the next day. So far, we are happy with all the appliances that we bought from Electrolux.

Steve....If there are any other questions that you might have please feel free to contact me.

Good Luck with a really nice machine.

Ray


Post# 334919 , Reply# 10   3/11/2009 at 14:55 (5,495 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

This machine cannot be compared to the Frigidaire machines. It is a whole new product line. A friend of mine is a manager of a major appliance chain, went to school for these Electrolux appliances, and claims that they are top of the line.

Post# 334923 , Reply# 11   3/11/2009 at 15:57 (5,495 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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It probably has some damage somewhere, is why it was thrown away.

I picked up a new GE gas range from behind Lowes one time.Inside Lowes, it retailed for about $900.00. It looked like it fell on it's front, the handle was tweaked a bit, and the frame around the oven was dented. GE probably told 'em to scrap it.


Post# 334950 , Reply# 12   3/11/2009 at 18:26 (5,495 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Ask the question..what's the answer?

Well, I appreciate all the comments so far and I have to tell you that I obsessed about it all day as to the reason it was trashed.

Stopped by Lowes tonite and spoke to the appliance sales manager and he said that he really had no idea why it would be trashed unless there was something wrong with it and Electrolux decided to scrap it and credit them for it and no bother to fix it.It should have been thrown in the dumpster is what he said!

I cannot see any obvious damage and haven't been able to find any recall informatioon on it so I guess I will just hook it up and see what the story is!

Like I said, the only appearance of being hooked up at all was some remnant of teflon tape in the inlet fitting but that was all. a few drops of water were in the sump but no water marks at all on the tank.

Hmmm. maybe a dead pump?
I will let you know as the saga continues.
Thanks again.

I sure do hope it's a better machine than the Frigidaire units. They always get lousy reviews from users.
This does seem to be a different design so maybe there is some hope!


Post# 335012 , Reply# 13   3/11/2009 at 22:39 (5,495 days old) by soberleaf ()        
you will love it or hate it

i would say satisfy your dishwasher curiosity by hooking it up and testing it a few weeks. then you will know. you especially, with your vast hobart knowledge will have this thing figured out inside and out! you will either love it or hate it!

for myself i picked up a frigidaire precision wash last year for 10 bucks and after i had it running only an hour i hated it. i compared it to kitchenaid which i should never had done! it has a tiny little motor and only washes one rack at a time which is a joke! i would glady give it away. i keep it only as a part of my collection to show what trash they are really building these days. let's hope your's doesn't earn the name "trash" that is written on it's front panel.


Post# 335060 , Reply# 14   3/12/2009 at 07:59 (5,495 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Stevet. For what it is worth, I subscribe to Consumer reports on-line. The dishwasher in question is in the testing progress now, results in July. One user wrote a review and thought the machine was great. She got rid of her Bosch. So go figure. Electrolux service came yesterday and changed out an internal filter basket. The only complaint that I had was that at times the were small amounts of detergent left in the 2nd wash cup. They said that they had this complaint and this was the fix for it. It was a new design of this filter. So we will see......

All I can say is that they offer great service. My wife did complain to Electrolux as to why these 2 appliances had to have service with just a few months of use. Customer service was so nice to her and is sending us a Visa Gift card for $150.00. Not bad. I will let you know if this remedies the problem.

Ray


Post# 335105 , Reply# 15   3/12/2009 at 13:55 (5,495 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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You'll probably find out that the model tag has been removed. If it hasn't been removed, Lowes screwed up.

Post# 335153 , Reply# 16   3/12/2009 at 16:38 (5,494 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
on the money!

Gaotfarmer, you are right, Lowes did obliterate nearly the complete data tag on the door. I am going there in a bit and will see if I can find the "RTM" person responsible for destroying units there. Maybe she has an answer for why they did it.

Luckily, the Energy guide tag was still in the unit and it had the model number on it and it matched with what the ELux site is showing as current production.

Later,
Steve


Post# 335156 , Reply# 17   3/12/2009 at 16:48 (5,494 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Make sure you keep the model #, write it down somewhere, should you ever need parts.

Post# 335187 , Reply# 18   3/12/2009 at 19:36 (5,494 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        
I worked for Lowes and Home Depot

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Any damaged products had to be credited for before they were trashed. We had to call the manufacturer and get an approval. Then,we had to Strip all the tags with the model and serial numbers.Then,we had to throw it down a massive dumpster that would smash it to a point of no return.There were other dealerships in the vicinity that would let me take there damaged goods for free or $10 or $15 but, I still had to remove the tags before taking them.Once in a blue moon,I would remove valuable parts before throwing them down the shoot but not that often.

Post# 335203 , Reply# 19   3/12/2009 at 21:12 (5,494 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
no smarter now than before!

I went to Lowes to pick up Laminate flooring and it turns out that the store manager was the person I spoke to yesterday about why the machine was thrown out. I asked him again tonite and he said nobody was able to give him an answer!

Well, with the fiasco of paying for the flooring and then getting out of there and back home and unloading the minivan of the materials, I didnt get a chance to hook it up but will endeavor to do so between coats of paint!
And Chuck, he did say that it was supposed to have been thrown in the dumpster! Guess timimg is everything!

It really is such a nice looking machine. I do hope it will be okay.
Is anyone aware of any recalls on them at all? Just to be in the know!
Thanks again!


Post# 335241 , Reply# 20   3/12/2009 at 23:32 (5,494 days old) by redcarpetdrew (Fairfield, CA)        

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Just for giggles, you should check the bottom of the dishwasher for a second tag. For example, the Amana mfg bottom freezer refrigerators have no less than three complete model/serial tags on each unit. One inside the refrig compartment, one on the back, one possibly on the bottom by the condenser and possibly one on the bottom of one of the doors, usually the freezer drawer. Just an Idea...

When Lowes shoots a Maytag unit here, usually they just send it back to Maytag under the umbrella heading of Non Funtioning or something like that. Sometimes those units end up in the 'scratch & dent' market when Maytag gets a big enough load together.

RCD


Post# 335270 , Reply# 21   3/13/2009 at 05:10 (5,494 days old) by goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Personally, I wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. Lowes threw it away, you got it. If you keep going back and inquiring about it, they may say no more, stay away from the back of the store. Let it be.

Post# 335276 , Reply# 22   3/13/2009 at 06:37 (5,494 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Discretion for sure!

In no way did I mention that I had gotten the machine! And believe me, I won't be asking any more questions!

Will endeavor to get it going sometime this weekend and post results if any!
Thanks again for the input.


Post# 335283 , Reply# 23   3/13/2009 at 07:47 (5,494 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Steve, I believe that underneath the machine there are electrical diagrams and also shows the cycles. The serial number/model number could be there also. A few weeks ago our Lowes had an Electrolux Dishwasher on the foor marked as clearance. I asked the salesman, and he said that they were changing all of the displays around.

I ran the machine last night after that internal filter assembly was replaced. There was not detergent left in the cup. But I will have to keep testing it further.

If you have any questions about the machine, let me know.

If you want the dishes to dry better, SET the AIR DRY OFF option when it comes up.

Ray


Post# 335379 , Reply# 24   3/13/2009 at 22:52 (5,493 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Looks like a Treasure!

Well, I finally hooked it up and ran it in the garage and I was pleasantly surprised!

IT WORKS!
It was weird having to select the cycle and hit start and then close the door but logical when you consider the controls would be under the countertop!

Forgive me, not used to these new fangled jobbers!

Anyway, it went right thru the quick cycle and definitely without question, one of the quietest machines I have not heard ever. And it is not installed in a cabinet yet! Just sitting there with the insualtion on it.

I have to question the water pressure as there isn't too much splashing when I open the door fast but it looks more than adequate.

I noticed that the clean light comes on while it is still drying, The fans are turning during the dry. I will have to try a full load of dishes and a normal cycle to see how well it dries.

I AM tempted to take it inside but the wife would prefer a white fronted unit. For the price as someone said, it is a great gift horse and for the price, color should not matter. Would Stainless look really bad in a white Kitchen with all the other appliances being white?
Thanks for the tips and info, guys. Will keep you posted.
Steve


Post# 335395 , Reply# 25   3/14/2009 at 02:56 (5,493 days old) by soberleaf ()        
sounds great!

congrats! you don't hate it! you might even love it! i would say take it in and hook it up under the counter and try it for a few weeks to see how you both like it. if it passes the test you could always paint the front white to match your other appliances.

i work at home depot and i am always on the lookout for dishwashers but alas, none ever come along! and if one would it would no doubt be down the compactor before i could get to it. there is a lowes nearby (there is always one next to a home depot it seems) and i'm gonna start drivin around the back of their store to peek and see what may be stashed out there. sounds like you got lucky with that one! enjoy playin with it!


Post# 335466 , Reply# 26   3/14/2009 at 19:48 (5,492 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Current Results!

Just unloaded the first real load in the new E-Lux!
Was pleasantly surprised by just how quiet this machine really is.Almost totally silent even in the garage! Ran the normal cycle with high temp boost and sani cycle. Took a bit over 1.5 hours to finish with the air blown dry!

A few things are weird though but probably because of what I am used to.

I wish it had the blue led that shines on the floor to tell you when the cycle actually is finsihed. The clean light shines on top even though the blowers are still running. I can't add the led since there is no hookup for it on the control box. But no big deal.

The bottom rack holds alot of dishes, at least as much as the KDS21 et.al. of that vintage, but the top rack leaves alot to be desired.
The rack does not allow cups and glasses to slant very much which leads to puddling on top of much ot the stuff up there.
The top rinsing arm does a good job of eliminating the "yibbles" though.

And it seemed that this machine would be a perfect candidate for those detergent balls and blocks as it left undisolved detergent in the dispenser.It was a brand new box of Electrasol/Finish but I do have to see how it does the next time since I opened the door and the cover flipped up on the dispenser. I have a feeling if it had stayed perpendicular to the dispenser, it might have channeled more water into it and gotten all the soap.

Everything came out well dried and spotless. Our water is 7-8 grains hard but all treated thru RO at the water treatment plant so it isn't all that loaded with many other minerals.

All in all, it isn't too bad, though I do miss the water sounds from a real pumping machine like my 21. Even the Kenmore sitting next to the E-Lux sounds like a hurricane in a box compared to it!

More results as they come in!

Oh and my wife even said she would take the E-lux if I can find a buyer for the KDS21-M.

Any takers?
( Don't worry.. I still have a few KA spares in the garage too.) Can never turn my back on them!


Post# 335476 , Reply# 27   3/14/2009 at 20:06 (5,492 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania )        

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I am glad that the electrolux worked out for you.
I would love to take the KDS-21 off your hands if it weren't so far away.

Sam


Post# 335481 , Reply# 28   3/14/2009 at 20:26 (5,492 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Take a ride down!

Got a minivan or a car with a large trunk opening? It will fit!
Besides, it is a nice drive down!
Had a guy with a current production Impala take a Whirlpool Gold D/W home in the trunk opening of the Chevy! But he only lived 40 miles away!

You could always get it shipped!


Post# 335489 , Reply# 29   3/14/2009 at 21:26 (5,492 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania )        

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How much would it cost to ship to zip code 15312? That is the main problem, I am getting a Frigidaire Flair that I had to have this week so I dont have much to spare now.

As for hauling it home,If I was able to have the time off to get it I would and since I drive both a Lincoln Town Car and a Cadillac DeVille, there would be no problem, I brought home a new organ in my Lincoln


Post# 335506 , Reply# 30   3/14/2009 at 22:55 (5,492 days old) by moonvalleycacti ()        

To interject:

My dad took a Whirlpool dishwasher home tied to the trunk of a Cavalier... I recently brought home a king size bed frame in a Ford Focus...


Post# 335509 , Reply# 31   3/14/2009 at 23:01 (5,492 days old) by soberleaf ()        
U Crate It

i used U Crate It to ship from boston to cinti. and it cost me 247 bucks! not bad, competitors wanted 500 or more, one wanted over 900!

i will say i have carried a dozen or so built in models, mostly kitchenaids in the trunk of my old beat up pontiac grand am!

and a road trip out of town to pick up a much coveted dishwasher is a great adventure! at least for this dishwasher addict!

steve, glad you like it but i agree, nothing sounds the same as a 1/2 hp. kitchenaid pumping all that water thru it's hydrosweep! it's a symphony! ofcourse i am prob nuts but hey, it's still a symphony! and one and a half hours, oh my, no no no no no!!! all the kds-17's are laughing at that one!!!! they just don't make em like they used to!!!


Post# 335884 , Reply# 32   3/16/2009 at 19:17 (5,490 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Part check in the Kitchen aisle!

Ray
You mentioned that you had the removable filter strainer replaced in the E-lux. Can you do me a favor and see what the part number stamped on the bottom of it is? I think I may have a problem with not enough water getting thru as the machine still leaves undissolved soap in the dispenser and a blob of it on the tank bottom. Granted, that was with the quick cycle so maybe with the normal or other cycles, there are more fills and would clear up the soap issue. The part number on mine is 1545143 and is grey plastic.

Thanks
Steve


Post# 335968 , Reply# 33   3/17/2009 at 08:09 (5,490 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Steve, Let me see if it is on the paperwork, if not I will call Electrolux to see what part was ordered. Give me a couple of days. I will send you an email. Mine was replaced and so far it seems like it worked. I will do more loads on different cycles and let you know. I also have used the new Cascade Gel Advanced Power which I got at Cosco. Fantastic is all I could say. Consumer reports rated the Cacade Complete Gel Number 1. I ususally like powders better, but you might want to thry this gel. I think it is a combination of the Pure Rinse, Complete, Bleach, etc. formulas.


Question....... WHen you want the dishes to dry with the blower, do you SET the AIR DRY OFF option? This is what Electrolux told me to do if you want the blower on. I know it is a little confusing. E-Lux customer service gets a lot of calls on this.

If you select the Hi Temp Wash and the Sanitize, the plastics come out almost dry. I also like all the baskets for utensils etc. that they provide. I am glad that you are happy with the machine so far. I will email you privately.

Ray


Post# 335969 , Reply# 34   3/17/2009 at 08:15 (5,490 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Steve....Another question. WHen it is in the drying mode, do you see any steam/condensation coming out? Any where do these vapors go? Mine is installed so I do not see.

Thanks

Ray


Post# 335972 , Reply# 35   3/17/2009 at 08:48 (5,490 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Would Stainless look really bad in a white Kitchen

Steve, My mom did her kitchen over 10 years ago. She has a Stainless cooktop, oven and sink. THe dishwasher had the wood panel installed to match the cabinets, and the refrigerator was Almond. It did not look bad at all. She got some canisters that were Almond and Stainless. She just replaced the refigerator with a GE stainless steel bottom mount.

I think Williams Sonoma has some white and stainless accessories, such as a utensil and canister set.

You may want to check with Electrolux to see if the door panel can be replaced easily. I am not sure if it is just a piece of metal over the door or not.


Post# 335993 , Reply# 36   3/17/2009 at 13:23 (5,490 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Part check in the Kitchen aisle!

Hi Steve. I got the part number for you.
It is: 7154600702 - Filter Assembly. It is sort of a baset located under the large stainless filter and the removable large particle, bone and glass filter. I was not there when he installed it, but he showed me the area when he ordered it. You may have to order from Electrolux. Electrolux in my area uses Metro Service. www.metrofs.com....


He told E-Lux of the problem with the detergent cup, and they must have had complaints, and told him this was the fix. So far so good. Will keep you posted.

PS: Also sent you this information to your email address.

Let me know how you make out.

Ray


Post# 336005 , Reply# 37   3/17/2009 at 15:41 (5,489 days old) by laundromat (Hilo, Hawaii)        

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The front panel is easy to remove. I would tape over the name plate and use a good spray enamal paint to refinish it in white. You may also consider ordering a new front panel in white. They run about $45.since the unit works and is a current model,that part may be ferr from E'Lux.GET THE MODEL AND SERIAL NUMBERS!!!

Post# 336418 , Reply# 38   3/20/2009 at 08:17 (5,487 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Detergent Cup

Stevet. Ran two more loads with the powdered detergent. So far so good. Now that was with the plates in the front one day, and the next day a corning ware piece in the front. Will have to try with a large pot. Will let you know.

Ray


Post# 336481 , Reply# 39   3/20/2009 at 18:17 (5,486 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Parts are in!

Ray, just got home and my part for the E-lux is in, I ordered the strainer and hope it is different from the one I currently have. I didnt want to pull the other out without seeing how it was inserted first.

I will of course give it a try and let you all know. The most impressive feature is the lack of noise! Now let's hope the soap dissolves!

And for those who have suggested looking for the serial number in another place besides the door, I have searched everywhere except under the door panel. No other numbers anywhere! So far!


Post# 336765 , Reply# 40   3/22/2009 at 09:55 (5,485 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Sears messed up!

I haven't been able to replace the filter strainer as the parts
order from Sears.com was not complete even though they sent an email confirming shipment of the full order. Well maybe the other parts are coming from another warehouse so I am now waiting to see if the change in the strainer will make a significant difference. It is a chance I am taking since I can't pin down a serial number and inquire about it with E-lux. But it wasn't too expensive so I took the leap of faith. I hope it is different since Rayjay had success with it.

I even have my wife almost convinced to let me try it out as a daily driver!

That KDS21-M is still available for sale to anyone who may want it! I will part with it and if we have to go back to the KA, I still have the KDC21-D sitting in the garage!



Post# 337010 , Reply# 41   3/23/2009 at 08:28 (5,484 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi SteveT. Ran 4 loads this weekend. Pwedered detergent disolved completly each time. The model number should be enough shoudn't it?

I think that this filter assembly basket was re-designed in that, now it allows for greater pressure. The machine really cleans fantastic and is really quite too.

Ray


Post# 337011 , Reply# 42   3/23/2009 at 08:38 (5,484 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Parts

Stevet. I opened the box when the part came, but I think it was only a basket. Now...I did not take it out of the box, so I am wondering if there were more in there. Now when the technician ordered the part when I was there, he lifted the surface filters out and show me that inner filter assembly. As I said, I am not sure if there were more parts there.

Let me know how you make out. Feel free to call me anytime. I emailed you my number to your email address.

Ray


Post# 337160 , Reply# 43   3/23/2009 at 20:42 (5,483 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Hmmm. I might have the wrong part!

Got the strainer today from Sears.com..still waiting for the door stop for my GE Side by Side but this thing I ordered is a half moon shaped strainer with very fine holes on the top inside surface and a smller perforated area with a flapper on it. Sound wrong or right, Ray?

Can you describe the part they changed in yours. I cannot see this thing making any difference in the pumping capacity of this machine at all.
Did you ever find the receipt with the part number or the box it came in? Then I can cross check it by part number.
Thanks
Steve


Post# 337227 , Reply# 44   3/24/2009 at 07:54 (5,483 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Hmmm. I might have the wrong part!

Hi Stevet. I was not there when the installed the new part. However, I found the receipt from the repair company and it had that number that I gave you. I will see if I can check the filter tonight. I think this filter assembly may be a new design, causing more water pressure, especially to the middle spray arm. I have not had a problem since. Loaded corningware pots pans in front. There was not detergent left in the cup. I would say install it. You have nothing to lose. Let me know how you make out.

Post# 337229 , Reply# 45   3/24/2009 at 07:57 (5,483 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

stevet, I did open the box, but just looked at briefly. It was a grey basket, and I think it was soft of half moon shaped also. It sounds like the correct part.

Post# 337307 , Reply# 46   3/24/2009 at 19:37 (5,482 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Thanks, Ray

I will try to delve into the removal of the strainer in my machine but am too darn tired to do it tonite. Going to hit the sheets early, if not sooner!


Post# 340069 , Reply# 47   4/5/2009 at 09:45 (5,471 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Latest Update!

Well I tore down the inside the tank portion of the pump assy and confirmed that the strainer RayJay spoke about in his machine is exactly the same in the unit I have and is the same as the new one I purchased from Sears.com so I doubt that it would have anything to do with the washing action. So I am at the same machine as Ray has and decided to run it again last night with the same detergent that seemed to always remain in the dispenser.

I hooked it up in the garage and made sure it was perfectly level to eliminate any possiblilty of pump cavitation and set it on the normal cycle, no additional heat selected and let it rip with a load of casseroles and plastic containers and utensils.

At the end of the cycle, all the soap was gone, the dishes and casseroles were spotless and even the barbecue spatula was cleaned and shiny. Just a few drops of water left on the plastics but it seemed to be fine.

One thing I did change from the original test loads was the top rack was placed in the uppermost position which may have helped get some additional water to the dispenser as it allows the door to flip open more. All the other times, the rack was set at the lowest position which made the dispenser door open only to the perpendicular position. I think this may be the cure to the problem. I will run another load today and reset the rack down and see what happens.
So the suspense continues for a little while longer.

I am still amazed at how quiet this machine is!

Updates to follow soon!


Post# 340217 , Reply# 48   4/5/2009 at 21:54 (5,470 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Steve, how long did the entire cycle you used on the above load take?

Post# 340251 , Reply# 49   4/5/2009 at 23:57 (5,470 days old) by a440 ()        
tlee618....

Don't go throwing your KDS-18 attitude around just yet!
Love Ya! And I know you are just washing everything you think is dirty just to run that KDS-18. You wonder how you ever did without!
I think Steve said 98 minutes or so....
But it was quiet! Don't you forget that part.
"just picking on you Steve!"
Brent


Post# 340274 , Reply# 50   4/6/2009 at 05:10 (5,470 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
I have broad shoulders!

So I can definitely take the abuse Brent! I forgot to time the cycle but it isnt much longer than my KDS21-M when it is set for sanitize! I have a load of dishes waiting to go for tonight and I will time it. Unique thing is that the air driven dry cycle is pretty long at the end even though the clean light is on, it still continues to do the drying thing.

And again my wife yelled and asked that I return her KDS-18 to the kitchen! Seems as long as she hears it running, the amount of time it takes doesnt matter! The 21 stops at the start of the cycle and at the end to heat the water and it seems excessive!
Oy Vey..is there no pleasing them?


Post# 340302 , Reply# 51   4/6/2009 at 09:05 (5,470 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi SteveT. It was great talking with you last week. So what is there to think about?? Machine does a great job and is quiet. lol The wife ran it last night on the Auto Wash. This cycle adjusts the water and washing action according to the soil in the load. If the load is light, It will wash, drain, then go into the next wash. But if the load is really dirty, the machine will wash, drain, rinse, wash, rinse, rinse, or maybe even another rinse if necessary. My wife forgot to select the AIR DRY OFF so the plastics had a little water on them. I know this does not make sense, but by selection AIR DRY OFF (as told to me by E_Lux), this means that the fan/heat will come on to dry the load. I guess AIR DRY OFF means the dishes do not air dry. When I did select the AIR DRY ON, the load was significantly wetter when the door was opened.

DOes this make sense?


Post# 340436 , Reply# 52   4/6/2009 at 17:01 (5,469 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Nope!

Still don't quite understand the seeming reverse logic and even went to the instruction manual and learned nothing from it. I did select it though on that last load I posted about and it did dry better than the other loads and I even think both fans were running, the one on top and the one on the bottom which sucks air thru the opening that the water comes out of to fill the machine. Has one of those fancy plastic housings on that side and seems that the water enters thru the center section and the air pulls thru the outer opening of the tank connector.
I will do another load tonite with more heavily soild dishes than before and post the outcome.

And I have tried the auto wash and there were definitely more cycle stages during that run just as you mentioned. And it also defaults to the hi temp wash as well.

Thanks for all your help too.


Post# 340485 , Reply# 53   4/6/2009 at 20:26 (5,469 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Forever and a day!

Update time!

Started the Auto Cycle which adds Hit Temp scrub automatically at 6:30 P.M. I had the top rack in the lowest position to see what happens to the soap in the dispenser.The cycle finally ended completely at 9:15!
Wow!!! 2 hours and 45 minutes to complete the whole show! A bit long I would say! But that is without pre running the hot water so it filled initially into a cold tank and was below 100 degrees.

Results:
All the soap is gone! and all the dishes are totally clean AND dry! I would say that maybe a half dozen drops of water were left and no condensation at all in the machine.

It looks like things are looking up.
Even the fans are quiet. I had to keep going over to the machine to make sure they were still running.


Post# 340490 , Reply# 54   4/6/2009 at 20:40 (5,469 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Hey Steve, I am glad that the machine is doing a good job for you. It just seems like 2 hours and 45min. is a long time. Are you going to put it in your kitchen?

Post# 340499 , Reply# 55   4/6/2009 at 21:03 (5,469 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
I think I have a plane for it!

Terry, since Irene is constantly complaining about the KDS21-M, and asking me to make it into a KDS18 which she adores(for obvious reasons), I figure that I will tell her that I have to take it to the garage to rewire it and change the door out with the 18 controls in it. Then I will move the Elux into the kitchen and I will bet she will say to leave it and sell the 21!

If I get it sold, that will clinch the deal!
I still have the KDC21D in the garage I can always use if the Elux proves to be a dud!(Which I doubt)

Think the plan will work?


Post# 340570 , Reply# 56   4/7/2009 at 08:47 (5,469 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Steve, it sounds like a good one to me!! Keep us posted and let us know if it works or not. Terry

Post# 340767 , Reply# 57   4/7/2009 at 21:06 (5,468 days old) by a440 ()        
You do have Broad Shoulders you Kitchenaid Tiger!

Steve you know that I am just picking on you! I have learned so much from you on here to keep my KA's running for a lifetime! You are an asset to this club big time!
I have had a few of these machines. When I say "these machines" I am talking about the new Energy Star. I have not had an Electrolux. I do think they are great looking machines. Actually all of them in their line up.
I have / had Kitchenaid, Maytag, Asko, Whirlpool and Bosch "energy star" appliances. Not new, but slightly used. I get excited and install them and get so aggravated! Not because they don't clean. They do! I will give that much. It is the time they take! I think the reason I get aggravated is because I know different, and it is from using vintage dishwashers. I like putting dishes in, esp. when cooking and know that they will be done and clean and dried within 40 minutes. I could not do that with the "energy star" machines, and in fact the time frame would vary so much, and it did not make sense to me at all! Sometimes heaver soiled items would take less time than less soiled items. And this was with every brand I have used. I would always run the these machines in the morning when I did not need the dishes quick, or at night when dishes were not needed. I will also tell you, and it is a positive... that I did see a difference in utilities. Quite a difference in fact. The example I can give is when I went from a top loading washer to a front loader. So I guess both the vintage dishwashers & "energy star" dishwashers have their own unique advantages.
I do like your wife Steve! "Get my 1- 18 back in here!"
Thanks for sharing this Consumer Report with us.
I see these from time to time at Garage Sales. I might try to get one to play with.
Brent


Post# 341270 , Reply# 58   4/9/2009 at 21:03 (5,466 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
I can take it! And I really do have broad shoulders!

Well, I just ran another complete cycle in the Elux, just to see how much it would hold and it took all the stuff out of the 21 plus the extra oveflow plastic containers.

The clean light came on at 2 hours and 45 minutes and the drying fans were still running! I wish I could have someone really explain the cycle logic to me.And Eureka! all the soap got taken care of and the rack is set in the middle.

I set it for normal with sanitizing heat and it automatically goes into the high temp mode. So it seems to take just as long in normal as it did in the Auto cycle the other nite. Oops! it takes longer!
It is hard to see how it saves energy but it is a 1.5 amp motor running, not a 7 amp job and there is no heated dry to use up the extra 3 cents it takes to run the K/A dryer! and it uses much less water.
But I know for sure that the wife will freak out with these 2+ hour cycles. I have to find a way to decrease that time.
I will probably do a rinse cycle to condition the tank and then the regular one so it should not take so long to heat the water.
RayJay, is this a normal amount of time?



Post# 341307 , Reply# 59   4/10/2009 at 00:10 (5,466 days old) by a440 ()        
LOL! You Consumer Reporter!

Your wife is gonna win!
I just love it.
At least the dishes are coming out clean and sanitized!
Your wife; "Put the dishwasher that you took out back in!"
You will make a good profit when you sell it Steve. And I bet you sell it quick! You will be amazed.
Stainless. It is the new haven for appliance buyers from any walk of life. "We don't care how long they take to wash". "Stainless...it makes me and my friends that judge my kitchen happy."
I am glad you are having fun!
Thanks for posting your consumer test!
Brent



Post# 341946 , Reply# 60   4/12/2009 at 21:08 (5,463 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Just a quickie!

Did a "quick cycle" this afternoon with dishes and other assorted stuff and on that cycle there is no additional heat and I think less final rinses and it took 75 minutes start to actual finish.

While the dishes were clean, I would say the results are less than satisfactory with alot more water left on everything. Lower temps and shorter dry would account for that.
I guess it would not be bad if the machine is run prior to bedtime or on the way out to work,neither of which we would ever do anyway!

So just thought I would report what was going on in the test lab!


Post# 342012 , Reply# 61   4/13/2009 at 08:07 (5,463 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
RayJay, is this a normal amount of time?

Hi Steve. I do not recall the normal cycle taking that long. But.....I will time one night when I am home this week and let you know. I think you may not have the water temp on your water heater set as high as I do. Also....if it is still in the garage, how long of a run is it from the hot water source to the dishwasher. It may run shorter if installed in the kitchen and you turn on the hot water at the faucet first. I will time a normal cycle possible tonight.

Ran a lot of loads on Saturday and one on Sunday when we left for my cousins house for dinner. I was busy cooking on Saturday and did not pay attention to it.

I will keep you all posted.


Ray


Post# 342151 , Reply# 62   4/13/2009 at 20:49 (5,462 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Not so far away!

Thanks for the input,Ray. The dishwasher is connected to the slop sink by no more than an 8 foot washing machine hose setup. The faucet is the first one after the hot water heater which is next to that sink! I can run the water first but don't usually do that but will do it the next time I do a wash in it which should be tomorrow nite. That way I can see if there is any difference.

Post# 342166 , Reply# 63   4/13/2009 at 22:14 (5,462 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Steve, running the hot water should make a difference.

Post# 342168 , Reply# 64   4/13/2009 at 22:22 (5,462 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Will Do

Will give it a try next load. If the machine was in the kitchen, I have the Watts Hot water recirculator going when the d/w runs so it gets hot water instantly(well almost).
That too will help.


Post# 342534 , Reply# 65   4/15/2009 at 17:14 (5,460 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Broken Record?

Okay, did a load in the Elux last nite, Normal cycle, Hot water run prior to filling machine, slightly soiled dishware, no additional heat selected and the air dry option off or at least the light was off. Whatever than means, right RayJay?
Started at 7:55 finished at 9:35. Drying fans ran for almost 40 minutes of that time.All lites out except clean at 9:35.

Again, nearly 2 hours! Is this the way of the world with supposed energy star appliances?

Of course, everything was cleaned and spotless!
And no soap powder anywhere!


Post# 342561 , Reply# 66   4/15/2009 at 18:36 (5,460 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Steve, an hour & 40 minutes isn't too bad. My Kenmore Elite, although is mostly pretty heavy soil, takes on averrage anywhere from 2 hours and 6 mminutes to 2 hours and 30 minutes. With little or no soil at best 1.5 hours to 1 hour 40 minutes. Remember, low wattage heating element and drawing motor. supposedly the secret to energy star. europeans have put up with this a lot longer than us and they got used to it--they had to get more energy efficient long before us. The same way with front loaders over there. My old PotScrubber 1200 on light was 85 minutes. PotScrubber in the winter, 1 hour and 46 minutes. So the 2 hours and 6 minutes isn't that much more for me to have had to adjust to.

Post# 342565 , Reply# 67   4/15/2009 at 19:00 (5,460 days old) by logixx (Germany)        

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europeans have put up with this a lot longer than us and they got used to it

Yes and no. The fastest high-efficiency cycle on a Euro dishwasher still takes a 125 minutes (Bosch/Siemens. However, the big ones, that is Miele and B/S/H, have come out with Turbo and varioSpeed options to cut the cycle time down. Just the other day, I washed a load containing encrusted Pyrex dishes and pots and plates and everything in our Bosch. Chose ECO 50°C with varioSpeed. 81 minutes later everything was clean and dry ...and super hot. Of course, high-speed options increase water and power consumption...

Alex


Post# 343002 , Reply# 68   4/17/2009 at 09:05 (5,459 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Drying fans ran for almost 40 minutes of that time.

Steve, I do not think my drying fans run this long. With my machine already built in, how can you tell that they are running? When I open the door after the cycle, I do have a film of condensation on the door. Is this normal for you too. ALso...there are water droplets on the silverware baskets. This whole drying process with the AIR DRY OFF, or AIR DRY On is confusing. Maybe my drying cycle is not running properly?

Post# 343130 , Reply# 69   4/17/2009 at 19:35 (5,458 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
Seek and you shall Hear!

Ray, I know the fans are nearly silent when running and it is easier to hear them in my garage, but if you put your ear to the left side of the kick panel, you may be able to hear the lower fan running as it exhausts right there. The top one blows in and the bottom one sucks air out and the intake for that fan is part of the water fill air gap on the left side of the machine.
I do get the film of condensation too and have also noticed a film of something on the silverware! I refilled the jet dry dispenser so will hjave to see what happens.

And yes, lots and lots of drops of water on the silverware racks.

I would have to say that so far the best non heated dry I have seen is the Bosch machine I have..the Model SMU4052US/09
I know it heats up to 160 or more in the final rinse so the stuff inside gets really hot and then dries nicely. A much better drying machine than the Electrolux.
Now if we can only figure out what the story is with that Air Dry button we will have it made.


Post# 343659 , Reply# 70   4/20/2009 at 08:11 (5,456 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
So far....On track with you.

Steve. My silverware comes out really sparkling in this dishwasher, better than my Kitencaid. Now on the drying.....I still have to think that the E_Lux would do better drying in that it has the fans. Now I called E_Lux customer service a few times, and they told me if I wanted the dishes to dry, I would have to select the AIR DRY OFF option when in display in the panel, then just keep hitting the right arrow till you get to the volume setting, then hit start. Of course you have the IQ model. I did select the AIR DRY ON option, and there was more water on the load, but it all dries up in about 10 min.

Now a friend of ours has a Bosch, and she states that the dishes are wet. So, go figuer. lol

On our machines, selecting the HI Temp Wash and Sanitize ON, they load really comes out dry. Now you did say in a couple of posts earlier that the load did come out dry?

Talk to you later.

Ray


Post# 343719 , Reply# 71   4/20/2009 at 14:04 (5,455 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        
Normal Cycle time

Steve, I ran a normal cycle and decided to time it. It took and hour and a half.

Ray


Post# 344386 , Reply# 72   4/23/2009 at 19:14 (5,452 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
will post another update on mine soon

Thanks for the info Ray. What did you have the dry option set at? Maybe I can duplicate your settings on mine.
Maybe we should both start them empty at the same time and see what they do!


Post# 344492 , Reply# 73   4/24/2009 at 08:22 (5,452 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Steve. That sounds like a good idea. Let me know what night. Now on my Wave touch panel, when I set the options, when the AIR DRY OFF options appears, I hit the set button, the continue with the right arrow till it displays VOL Settings, then I hit the start button.

Now I did run the AUTO WASH the other night and it took about 2 1/2 hrs. There were a lot of dirty dishes, (egg on them, etc, and pots). But at looking at consumer reports this is the norm for all the new dishwashers. Give me a call anytime.

Ray


Post# 344601 , Reply# 74   4/24/2009 at 22:12 (5,451 days old) by stevet (West Melbourne, FL)        
How about saturday morning?

Ray I misplaced your number, so call me on Saturday A.M.and we can see if we can run it
P.S. Anyone ele who might have the same machine, let me know and maybe this can be a remote dishwasher in!


Post# 345056 , Reply# 75   4/27/2009 at 10:10 (5,449 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey)        

Hi Steve, Sorry I did not see your message. My computer went out on me early Friday evening, and I sent it out on Saturday morning. I am on my laptop at work. My home computer will take a few days to get back to me. I will call you and we can set up another day.

Ray



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