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What does a 'Shredmore' look like? |
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Post# 336498 3/20/2009 at 20:46 (5,508 days old) by moparwash  (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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| Post# 336510 , Reply# 1 3/20/2009 at 21:01 (5,508 days old) by ttuee2006 () | ||
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Here's a couple pix of an early Shredmore from '88. Anything newer than this will ALWAYS be a shredmore. 
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| Post# 336511 , Reply# 2 3/20/2009 at 21:03 (5,508 days old) by ttuee2006 () | ||
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And here's the telltale basket. If you see the tall, skinny basket, and the corkscrew agitator, it is ALWAYS a Shredmore. Some of the skinnier, smaller capacity Shredmores also have straight vane agitators which are even rougher on clothes. 
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| Post# 336563 , Reply# 5 3/21/2009 at 01:21 (5,507 days old) by tuthill () | ||
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Shredmore 1 
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| Post# 336564 , Reply# 6 3/21/2009 at 01:25 (5,507 days old) by tuthill () | ||
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Post# 336573 , Reply# 8 3/21/2009 at 02:19 (5,507 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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You cannot go only by the auger agitator....
...you must also look at the control panel and the cabinet. Any KM (newer) with the timer knob off to one side will be a direct drive (shredmore). This KM below (a belt drive), also has an auger agitator and a black control panel, BUT the timer is in the center. ALSO, notice the tub opening, both the cabinet top and "tub ring" is "D" shaped, a direct drive will have a round tub opening. 
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Post# 336575 , Reply# 9 3/21/2009 at 02:33 (5,507 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land) |
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By the way... the belt drive machine above was built in mid
These photos show a 1984 KM, 24" std. capacity washer (left) and a 1989 Whirlpool XL capacity washer (right). Both are direct drive and thus, shredmores, however I must admit the WP was more gentle then the '84 KM. That KM damaged one of my shirts after ONLY being washed once in it!! Note that both timer knobs are off to one side (though all WP's are) and the tub opening is round. 
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| Post# 336599 , Reply# 10 3/21/2009 at 08:00 (5,507 days old) by maytagwc401 () | ||
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I have a Whirlpool version, about ten years old, that slows down to a gentler speed at the end of the wash cycle. And I never had any damaged clothing. Maybe you guys might overload your machines??? | ||
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Post# 336607 , Reply# 12 3/21/2009 at 09:20 (5,507 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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Post# 336618 , Reply# 14 3/21/2009 at 10:37 (5,507 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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My grandmother got a Whirlpool Design 2000 model LA7400XMW2 serial C43505625 on 11/16/1984 (I have the purchase receipt). She used it until 8/2/1999 when she inherited my KA 760 pair (when I got the F&P GWL08/DE04). I used the Whirly also from 1987 thru 1991 when I was living in an apt and didn't have a washer & dryer. Never any repairs on the Whirly in 14 years 9 months. The KAs (which are in my garage) then gave way to the F&Ps on 10/8/2004 when I got the next F&P set (IWL12/DEGX1). Neither of us had any clothing damaged by either the Whirly or the KA. Granny is still using the same sheets and many of the same bath towels & wash cloths, and whatever other clothing she is still wearing as well.
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| Post# 337191 , Reply# 16 3/23/2009 at 23:25 (5,505 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
I can't remember what year my grandma bought her Kenmore WD. It had the SAME panel with the dial in the center but it had the cruel (LOL) action agitator. I want to say she bought it either in 85 or 86. The thing lasted until 2008 and it was making a horrible noise while washing but she kept washing with it and it still did the job even making the loud noise. My brother ended up giving her his and he bought a new one. I don't ever remember it damaging any of our clothes. I suspect they wore out quicker but no damage that I remember.
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Post# 337208 , Reply# 17 3/24/2009 at 06:06 (5,504 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Post# 337211 , Reply# 18 3/24/2009 at 06:28 (5,504 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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Kenmore... | ||
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Post# 337224 , Reply# 20 3/24/2009 at 07:42 (5,504 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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Post# 337231 , Reply# 21 3/24/2009 at 08:00 (5,504 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill *Home of the RailwayTrials* Merseyside,UK) |
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ShredKen
Morning Bob...i think you did, it was from you that I did first hear the phrase used...I can see what you guys mean especially as Servis machines here used the slower wider sweep & arc like Speed Queen, so this does seem really fast....but having used Hoover twinnys that wash in 4 mins and whizz your clothes around at 600rpm they do seem a tad slower...LOl
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Post# 337233 , Reply# 22 3/24/2009 at 08:22 (5,504 days old) by jmm63 (Denville, NJ) |
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to Kenmore's defense
I had a 99 Kenmore 90 Series washer up until last year and I never had a problem with it being rough on clothes. I think the key was to never overload it and to use the normal speed for almost everything. As with any washer, not using the proper settings and overloading will cause any washer to be a shredder.
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Post# 337584 , Reply# 26 3/25/2009 at 21:44 (5,503 days old) by appnut (TX) |
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| Post# 338653 , Reply# 28 3/29/2009 at 19:14 (5,499 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 338672 , Reply# 29 3/29/2009 at 21:00 (5,499 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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Cruel Action and Shredmore, funniest washer terms I've heard since I joined the list. | ||
| Post# 339572 , Reply# 30 4/2/2009 at 16:02 (5,495 days old) by hilovane (Columbus OH) | ||
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I used to say (snidely), that if the agitator speed in a WP/Kenless (182 strokes per minute, or close?)were any faster, you could strap the whole machine to the back of a boat, and go water skiing with it! (LOL) | ||
| Post# 342937 , Reply# 33 4/17/2009 at 01:50 (5,480 days old) by strongenough78 (California) | ||
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| Post# 913766 , Reply# 35 1/3/2017 at 11:23 (2,662 days old) by toploader55 (Massachusetts Sand Bar, Cape Cod) | ||
My theory on shredding is...
1, Overloading to the point of getting the tub so jammed packed none of the clothes ever move, they end up getting moist, the agitator shreds, and that's it. 2, Wrong size Water Level. I had to use a Shredmore for 2 years and Underloading with Extra High water levels and Slow Agitation seemed to relieve the shredding. 3, Mechanically... I feel the stroke is too aggressive. Never likes the machine for that reason. Shredmores always reminded me of some Meth Head. Just chattering away and making no sense with generally hardly any accomplishment but being annoying. Kind of like a Circuit Queen. Pretty to look at, Nice features, but lacking or poor performance. (Sometimes) : ) I don't think your Disc under the agitator will make any difference at all. Once a Shredmore, always a Shredmore. But I will say this... Man !!! they last and last and are pretty much indestructible. I have a woman friend that for 15+ years overloads the crap out of that machine and it stil chugs along. I have moved her clothes to the dryer for her and what she packs in that machine, you could fill a 35 lb Milnor. And the machine has NEVER snapped the drive coupler. AMAZING. How are the results of overloading like that ? They wear things once, have really no soil level, and I don't think they notice. Does the Fabric show signs of wear ???... As they say on Rowan and Martin's Laugh in... "You bet your Sweet Bippy" they show wear. And Shredmore Believers, Owners, and Advocates... This is a personal opinion and my thoughts. Your mileage may vary. | ||
| Post# 913903 , Reply# 38 1/4/2017 at 08:54 (2,661 days old) by Wishwash (Indiana) | ||
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Oddly enough I've never had much of an issue with a direct drive machine, but we had quite a few items shredded by our early 80s whirlpool belt drive years ago. | ||
| Post# 913908 , Reply# 39 1/4/2017 at 09:59 (2,661 days old) by Pierreandreply4 (St-Bruno de montarville (province of quebec) canada) | ||
canadien kenmore washers
canadien kenmore washer 1 has a view of the wash basket during the 1770 and 1980sorry no view of the tub for the 1988 kenmore washer
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Post# 913909 , Reply# 40 1/4/2017 at 10:07 (2,661 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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I use the Kitchen Aid large base agitator in all of my direct drive machines...
its designed for medium to low speed agitation..... yeah right!, I use full speed agitation all the time, never any shredding, no tranny issues, or have yet to bust a coupler..... your mileage may vary.....
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| Post# 913912 , Reply# 41 1/4/2017 at 11:05 (2,661 days old) by brucelucenta () | ||
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I always said that shredmore stuff was a crock!!! | ||
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Post# 914072 , Reply# 44 1/5/2017 at 07:30 (2,660 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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this is going to be one of those 'beat a dead horse' threads.....
there is always a chance that there may be a jagged edge on any given part of the agitator, causing snagging issues.... has anyone considered that, in this example, the material may not be of the best quality...... someone can say 'jean' or 'denim'....but not all are created equal..... if there was a pair of Carhartt or Calvin Klein.....willing to bet, your not going to see damage in those for a long time.....they would wear out before any machine would do damage... special finish denim will start to break down the fibers at first wash....chemicals are used to lighten, or soften denim.....at least here in town, denim is dyed all one color, dark blue, special finishes are created once the garment is assembled.... | ||
| Post# 914215 , Reply# 45 1/5/2017 at 21:30 (2,660 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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Reply #42, Is there any chance the jeans in question have come into contact with automobile battery acid or another corrosive ? | ||
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Post# 914378 , Reply# 48 1/6/2017 at 22:32 (2,659 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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It seems like many different types of agitators damage clothes, so that means a common design issue. The one thing I've seen in common are the slots on the bottom of the fins' bottom at the bottom surface of the agitator.Not true. Have you seen Maytags?
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| Post# 914383 , Reply# 49 1/6/2017 at 23:53 (2,658 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
DADoES,
I sit and think about the appliances mom had when I was a kid, I can hardly remember them, but I remember that agitator, filter and softener cup. I remember them vividly... We had that washer for as long as I can remember being in the house I grew up in. When we moved to Texas, mom left the laundry pair in the old house and bought new Neptunes in 2005. She still has the same pair. The Neptunes have lived in Texas, Missouri and North Dakota :) ! | ||
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Post# 914419 , Reply# 51 1/7/2017 at 10:29 (2,658 days old) by panthera (Rocky Mountains) |
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We just got an '83 'Supreme' up and running. It has the 'super surgilator' (slightly curved vanes on top of a gigantic (guess nowadays one would say 'bigly') washplate. It most definitely does not shred clothes whereas the late '80s 'corkscrew' monstrosities many of my American relations had did. I spent time in their laundry rooms. They were not overloaded, they were not filled with cheap clothes, they were not subject to gallons of bleach, they were not stopped and reset to wash at the highest speed/lowest water level for 52 minutes.
Whirlpool was fighting the 'bigger is better' wars with machines which simply couldn't be made physically bigger - people were already overjoyed about the 24" as opposed to the 27" size (not that a cylinder could expand further out than the smallest dimension of the cabinet, which is front to back) and the only way to get a too large basket of clothes clean was to make the agitation so aggressive that things ended up getting shredded.
I am most definitely not a Whirlpool fan, but to blame the machines for user error is wrong. If you're using a corkscrew agitator, then you need to use a high water level and not fill it full. Soak the clothes longer, use a slower agitation and horror of horrors - how about hot water and phosphates?
Still think the cheapest filter-flo is a better cleaner than the best Whirlpool ever made.
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Post# 914464 , Reply# 52 1/7/2017 at 16:19 (2,658 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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WOW!
I never though my almost 8 year old post would show up again!... I do have my own 'Shredmore' with the KA agitator added. With proper water level and loading, I never had any shredding, but sometimes towels and jeans will come out twisted.
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| Post# 915665 , Reply# 53 1/14/2017 at 15:21 (2,651 days old) by MrCreosote (USA) | ||
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Any comments on that huge gap under the agitator I can get my hand under? | ||
| Post# 915766 , Reply# 54 1/15/2017 at 10:03 (2,650 days old) by Bobbi (Pennsylvania) | ||
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MrCreosote - I can get my fingers under the agitator of my Kenmore 90 series agitator, but only up to the middle finger knuckle. Perhaps your agitator is not completely seated somehow. Not even sure that would be possible? | ||
| Post# 915808 , Reply# 55 1/15/2017 at 15:43 (2,650 days old) by norgeway (mocksville n c ) | ||
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I hate them Not only because of the short stroke, but I challenge anyone to find one that does not have a greasy black ring on the agitator at the water line, proof to my way of thinking that for all the thrashing, they don't wash nearly as well as a belt drive. | ||
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Post# 915998 , Reply# 56 1/17/2017 at 02:18 (2,648 days old) by chetlaham (United States) |
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Shredmore
I agree with Panthera, it is not user error IMO. These machines were aggressive on high speed, so much so Sears actually warned its customers not to buy 1 speed machines (been there, lectured that) with Kenmore calling the Normal wash action "Heavy Duty". The arc is much shorter over the belt drives, and if I remember right I am most certain the stokes per minute are far more on DDs. FWIW one has to remember that the original direct drive design was meant for small capacity machines, much like the modern Whirlpool design was originally intended for use on compact machines. Finally, I'd argue the final proof being that modern VMWs have a much longer arc with fewer strokes per minute which from what I have heard are indeed gentler.
.............. Now, on to the agitator gap. I do not know if you have the same problem, but I remember a peculiar never before seen, probably not to be believed experience when my 2004 DD Estate started acting up in 2010. The machine started making a jake brake like grrrrrrrbbbrrrbbbrrrbbrrbbbabububbbub sound when it would stop spinning. A few months of doing this and the machine also gradually began to loose its ability to spin, like a classic clutch problem. I came to notice that a few weeks after the machine started making that noise the inner tub actually began to physically drop. I thought it was my imagination until the spin problem started and I had the ability to actually stick my entire hand underneath the agitator at that point. Also, because this machine drained into a long hose connected to a 8 or 9 ft stand pipe (used to not be the case as the machine was up on plywood and cinder blocks but that was another headache) the outer tub had something like an inch of water in it after each spin. I normally do not see that water, but when the tub dropped I began to see some if it go through the bottom set of hols in the inner tub right beside the agitator base. Sadly I never bothered dissecting the machine to see what it was or how it happened. I needed a washer and had a DD center dial Maytag delivered in 2 days with the Estate being taken whole. In all honesty I have never seen a DD washer do that or thought it was possible, but the above pic reminds me of just that lol. | ||
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Post# 923908 , Reply# 59 2/26/2017 at 13:09 (2,608 days old) by DADoES (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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Post# 924219 , Reply# 61 2/28/2017 at 17:48 (2,606 days old) by moparwash (Pittsburgh,PA ) |
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| Post# 941704 , Reply# 63 6/4/2017 at 09:12 (2,510 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 949450 , Reply# 64 7/22/2017 at 14:19 (2,462 days old) by jkbff (Happy Rock, ND) | ||
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So, just because this thread is already here...
I have been watching our scrap pile for a machine I could use for car rags, mop heads, general grungy stuff and found a series 90 kenmore... The machine seems to be in ok shape except when there is a full load of water, the tub won't spin or when the tub is empty, I can stop the tub from a full spin. Also, I can turn the tub by hand as well. The techs just keep telling me to buy a speed queen and forget about old crap, so I am wondering what you guys think.. Would it be the clutch / brake tube assemblies that need to be replaced or something with the washer drive block or what? It fills properly, it drains properly, has a very strong agitation and I think the motor coupling is ok, but I'll double check that in a bit. It just has the spin issues as mentioned above. | ||
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Post# 949462 , Reply# 65 7/22/2017 at 17:29 (2,462 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 964035 , Reply# 66 10/23/2017 at 16:44 (2,369 days old) by MrCreosote (USA) | ||
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Does anyone have a Part # for the Kitchen Aid agitator? Is there an equivalent Whirlpool agitator? | ||
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Post# 964052 , Reply# 67 10/23/2017 at 18:42 (2,369 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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the larger base Dual Action was exclusive to the Kitchen Aid's only, but they will fit other direct drives....
some think these should be operated on MED or LOW speed......but I have run it on HIGH with no issues.....your mileage may vary.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK on eBay
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| Post# 964061 , Reply# 68 10/23/2017 at 19:59 (2,369 days old) by MrCreosote (USA) | ||
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Looks like there are variations on this one - the auger is similar but different in post #40. You can see tiny "teeth" on the auger edge - not sure if I like that idea. Looked at your ad, an contemplating purchase... | ||
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Post# 964067 , Reply# 69 10/23/2017 at 20:22 (2,369 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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for one, I am not a big fan of turquoise.....at that time, the base, which would not have been seen during a wash load, as long as the top portion was white, I was OK with it.....
that 'stepped' auger is from a Whirlpool.... given a choice, I would have like to use the one from a Kenmore's 'PLUS' dual action, with the tilted vanes on the auger, but not all are interchangeable... since then, the all blue one moved on to another member for his Kitchen Aid, as I was able to find a white base, and used the 'stepped' auger.... top portion part number.....3363003-W.... my machine has Triple dispensers, so all I needed was a plain cap.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Yogitunes's LINK on eBay
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Post# 964072 , Reply# 71 10/23/2017 at 21:17 (2,369 days old) by Yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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| Post# 964170 , Reply# 72 10/24/2017 at 17:38 (2,368 days old) by MrCreosote (USA) | ||
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Thanks for the eBay deal! Very interested to see the difference. | ||
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