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Maytag to Be Purchased by Investors for $1.13 Billion
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Post# 67390   5/19/2005 at 20:26 (6,915 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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One of the things I thought would happen with Maytag, finally did.

Read the link:

Launderess (who was telling a certian someone around our house we should have been buying those cheap Maytag shares.)


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Post# 67402 , Reply# 1   5/19/2005 at 21:41 (6,915 days old) by Pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI)        

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Post# 67424 , Reply# 2   5/20/2005 at 04:16 (6,914 days old) by hooverac216 ()        

whoooo hooooo

Post# 67435 , Reply# 3   5/20/2005 at 08:02 (6,914 days old) by agiflow ()        

Even though it is premature, i have the feeling that that is the end of a once great manufacturer :(



Post# 67436 , Reply# 4   5/20/2005 at 08:32 (6,914 days old) by veg-o-matic (Baltimore, Hon!)        

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Great. Now my Maytag stock will be worth nothing. Oh, well. My worthless Maytag shares can keep my worthless KMart shares company...

veg, who will obviously never get rich


Post# 67449 , Reply# 5   5/20/2005 at 12:28 (6,914 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
Grab Those center-dial 'Tags now!

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Going private is probably just a temporary situation in order for the new investors/owners to straighten out some things in the company out of the public eye and then re-introduce it as a public company once things are back in order. Most analysts are thinking increased overseas production will help to bring it back to profitability.

Perhaps the Atlantis/Norge design washers will be collector's items long before we thought!


Post# 67478 , Reply# 6   5/20/2005 at 16:23 (6,914 days old) by cybrvanr ()        

Yea, chinese junk, that's what they need! Sure helped RCA out in the 1980s!

Post# 67485 , Reply# 7   5/20/2005 at 16:47 (6,914 days old) by Goatfarmer (South Bend, home of Champions)        

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Pulsator,tell us how you really feel!

I too am thinking this is the beginning of the end of Maytag as we know it.They'll probably sell off some of the better known brands,like Amana,JennAir,and Hoover,maybe even get out of the vending machine business.I bought Maytag stock years ago,because it was a company that made a great product,a product you could be proud of.
But after the Neptune fiasco,and the downgrading of their quality over the past few years,I regret not selling my shares a year ago.

kennyGF


Post# 67502 , Reply# 8   5/20/2005 at 18:48 (6,914 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Greg, the analysts' comments I"ve seen say it will take 5 years to clean things up and return to a public entity. It makes me sad. I just haven't been a maytag fan once they brought out the load sensor agitator and messed up their dishwashers.

Post# 67510 , Reply# 9   5/20/2005 at 20:05 (6,914 days old) by doityrselfguy ()        
Parts

I surely hope this change won't adversely affect the availability of parts from all the on-line stores, for those of us working on old Maytags.

Post# 67546 , Reply# 10   5/20/2005 at 23:39 (6,914 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        
Game Not Over Yet

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Maytag shares have soared and now it seems others including Samsung may get in on the action.

Launderess


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Post# 67559 , Reply# 11   5/21/2005 at 00:46 (6,913 days old) by kenmore1978 ()        
Load Sensor agitator

I wouldn't fault Maytag for the Load Sensor agitator, after all, it was a copy-cat thing. I find they work quite well, especially for people who tend to overload their machines. Ensures there'll be SOME kind of load turn-over.

Post# 67564 , Reply# 12   5/21/2005 at 01:10 (6,913 days old) by agiflow ()        

I guess that's also how the Kenmore TL's got the slight increase from 3.0 cu. ft to 3.2 cu. ft washbaskets. It seems the triple action agitator on my machine invites one to overload the tub.

No wonder people complain about shredding of clothes, though i have not had this problem and i try to make sure that whatever i wash has plenty of room to circulate freely and not be forced downward.


Post# 67566 , Reply# 13   5/21/2005 at 01:36 (6,913 days old) by agiflow ()        
Reflecting on Maytag

I still remember back in 1988 when my mother was looking to buy a new washer and i went with her to get a new machine.

The Maytags of that time were like the Kitchenaid dishwashers of the time. The look and feel of the Maytags i felt blew everyone off the map.

At the time spending close to $600 on a Maytag wasn't possible,so we settled on a BOL WP machine that proved great for 15 yrs.

I always loved the KM/WP washers, but the Maytag machines were also my favorites.

What a shame what has happened to "The Dependability People". (sigh)


Post# 67572 , Reply# 14   5/21/2005 at 03:05 (6,913 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
I was SO hoping this wasn't true.


This is breaking my heart.

First, Hoover is an easy drive from here, and I doubt if this will be good for North Canton.

Secondly, I hate, hate, hate that manufacturing in this country is seen as "uneconomic." Really hate having to rely on increasing amounts of imported goods. I am totally saddened by the thought of hundreds, if not thousands, of Maycor employees who might be unemployed, and might not make the same wages ever again.

Then, there is the question of parts. Fortunately, my washer and dryer are only 8 years old, which is still on the newer side for Dependable Care machines......especially lightly used ones like mine.

I hated when they started with Sears, but understood that they couldn't stay with "mom and pop" dealers exclusively. I also was far from thrilled when they introduced the "Performa" line. Neptune has been a general disaster, as has refrigeration and cooking.

To me, for close to 30 years, Maytag has meant laundry. Excellent laundry.

******Horrible, Embarrassed Admission Ahead*******

I used to ascribe superior intelligence and aesthetic sense to those who owned Maytag appliances, and held most other brands (and their owners) in much lower regard. (Whirlpool, but not Kenmore, as an exception.)

I'm getting over this fairly crappy attitude, and all of you are helping.

******End Embarrassed Admission******


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 67626 , Reply# 15   5/21/2005 at 15:33 (6,913 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        
A few thoughts from a former

I personally believe that the Neptune "disaster" did more to hurt Maytag thananything else.I took them off my floor in 2001. I couldn't sell it anymore without feeling like I was selling a lie. A lot of my Neptune customers were people trading in 20 - 30 year old Maytags thinking that they would do as well with the new "top of the line" machine. As time went on I have seen that even Dependable Care machines are not doing so well. I have repaired far too many machines with bad transmission, stem seals, tub covers, timers, etc.
Of all the machines I sold in the mid to late 90's the Performas (or Norgetags as many here like to call them) have had the least problems. An occasional bad transmission but overall almost no problems. I have one myself for 6 years now. A family of 5 doing 20+ loads/week and never a repair.

I don't agree that the refrigeration and cooking products have been a disaster. Except for the dispenser problem with SxS fridges almost all of my customers have been happy. Dishwashers have also done well until the latest design.

When the Loadsensor was introduced on the '97 model year (in late '96) we were told at the big convention that it had to be done to deal with consumer reports. It had become obvious that they would not get a #1 or any high rating without a dual action agitator. The only problem was that we were trained for years in how to bash the dual action agitator. Right up to the release of the '97s the Maytag sales reps would come into the store with new ideas and displays to discredit Whirlpool/Maytag/ GE agitators. We had pictures of sweaters washed 100 times in a Maytag vs. Kenmore. Live machines full of water washing light bulbs. Whatever they could do to drive the point home. So the Maytag dual action agitator had to have a catch to deal with all this. The Loadsensor was to be the best of both worlds- gentle on small loads but able to turn-over large ones. I never liked it.

Finally, I agree with Lawrence/Maytagbear that it is sad that manufacturing in this country is seen as uneconomic. But I fully believe that the consumer drives this. Not the manufacturer. Yes there are the few customers that will pay for quality. But most will go for the one that is cheaper. I have literally spent an hour or more with a customer comparing Maytags quality (back in the days when you could) to that of other brands only to have them buy something cheaper. We actually used to have a row of all different brands with the fronts removed for comparison.

Ed



Post# 67628 , Reply# 16   5/21/2005 at 15:35 (6,913 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        

My subject header was too long and got cut off. It was supposed to say "a few thoughts from a former mom and pop maytag dealer".

Post# 67631 , Reply# 17   5/21/2005 at 16:25 (6,913 days old) by westytoploader ()        

Wow, what a shock. I've always loved the old Maytags; even when I was little those beautiful center-dial machines stood out. I have to agree with everyone else; Maytag's business has been LAUNDRY. Quite a while ago (7-8 years maybe) at a home builder's show I picked up some brochures on Maytag's "other" products, and they weren't that special, really. Disposers were OK at best, and refrigerators and ranges did not seem to stand out at all. Above that, the introduction of the LoadSensor agitator was ridiculous. Consumer Reports had become so biased anyway by then that it would not matter what THEY thought, IMHO. But I guess there has to be "something" on a washer for buyers and CR readers to get attracted to. I never liked the LoadSensor in my Dependable Care. I replaced it with a Power-Fin (even though some may believe it wears out the transmission) and it handles the load much better, provided that it is not overloaded (as is the case with any machine). But guess what, even after that, CR still preferred WP/KM as the top brand. Sort of goes along with "Just because you have a fast car doesn't mean you'll get a date." And "Whoooo hoooo"?? Why is the fact that Maytag is slowly going down the drain something to "Whoooo hoooo" about?? I don't think you understand this situation 100%; maybe you don't really belong on here...

Oh well, time to run to Home Depot and pick up a (future collectible) Norgetag!!!

--Austin


Post# 67634 , Reply# 18   5/21/2005 at 17:25 (6,913 days old) by agiflow ()        
Austin i'm glad you said that

I thought that was a kind of smart a$$ answer myself. But this person isn't from the u.s. so it wouldn't really matter to him/her, but i do agree it was in very poor taste.

This person just doesn't see what our beloved Maytag meant to so many of us.


Post# 67643 , Reply# 19   5/21/2005 at 18:48 (6,913 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Let us all take a step back and evaluate the situation calmly.

No one can dispute Maytag was having somewhat of a hard time recently, and may or may not have shot itself in the foot with recent aqusitions, product line changes. Maytag's current problem had more to do with Wall Street than dropping the Dependable Care Line.

Maytag like many other appliance makers was being hit on several fronts, high domestic US labour costs, energy costs, and lately high steel costs. Maytag to it's credit kept more production in the United States than many of it's rivals. The Newton plant in particular is very costly for Maytag in terms of production costs, but yet it was kept open. This as Electrolux and others were bailing out of manufacturing towns left and right.

What going priviate will mean for Maytag is breathing room, away from having to meet Wall Street expectations. With that monkey off their backs, Maytag can concentrate on reshuffling itself and once again return to high profits.

Is there going to be pain on the part of Maycor workers and retirees? Probably, but this is happening all over the US from airline employees to factory workers. In a country that lacks a full government pension and full health scheme, it was left for companies to fill the void. As these costs rise companies find it is creating a huge financial drain on their resources at a time with global competition (much of it from contries that do have government health/pension schemes), makes rising prices impossible.

The jury is still out on weather or not Maytag would have survived much longer without this plan. The company needed funds and it's bonds were rated at or below junk status,and stock price was, well you know; it was ripe for either a hostile takeover or bankruptcy.

Launderess


Post# 67649 , Reply# 20   5/21/2005 at 21:00 (6,913 days old) by repair-man (Pittsburgh PA)        
Consumer Reports

Austin
I whole-heartedly agree with you, I'm no fan of Consumer Reports either. But, to say who cares what they think is wrong. They hold much power over the design of todays products. You can be sure that a negative comment in a CR issue will cause the manufacturer to address whatever it is that CR does not like. And I can personally attest as to why. A CR #1 rating is golden ! While in my 10 years as a Maytag dealer I never got to enjoy a #1 washer or dryer rating I saw a few ranges, refrigerators, and dishwashers get rated #1. And the customers flood in (with the copy of CR in hand) wanting the exact model. Not even something similar will do. It has to be exact. The instant Maytag would know about a #1 rating on one of their products they would develop a sales plan with new promo material for the particular product. They are not allowed to use the CR name so they would make big signs and stickers that would say "#1 rated by a leading consumer magazine". Then ther would be order restrictions put in place so that everybody in the dealer chain could get some until they could step up production. So I can only guess if a #1 rating is that good that a poor rating can be equally bad.

Ed


Post# 67655 , Reply# 21   5/21/2005 at 22:10 (6,913 days old) by mayken4now (Panama City, Florida)        
Oh My This

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Is all too much, I am going to go spend my savings on any old Maytag's I can find. You all know how found I am of them.

Love,

Steve


Post# 67656 , Reply# 22   5/21/2005 at 22:13 (6,913 days old) by maytagbear (N.E. Ohio)        
Well, then, Laundress, dear,


Isn't about time that American manufacturers made demands of this "government" to institute a national health care and a national pension?


Lawrence/Maytagbear


Post# 67794 , Reply# 23   5/23/2005 at 09:56 (6,911 days old) by designgeek ()        

The key to this one is whether the new owners want to go back to the good old formula of quality first, and earn their reward in the long term, or whether they want to strip down the company and make theirs by selling it back to Wall Street.

I saw something on That Home Site where someone quoted a press release about "global competitiveness" or some such buzzword that was interpreted to mean "moving manufacturing to China." This is not good but it's not surprising either.

Launderess, I think you hit it right on the mark. Other governments have pensions and health care, which benefit their companies though at the cost of higher income taxes. The result is lower-cost products on the global market.

Here we have none of the above, and our companies have to pay for those costs, which drives up prices, which drives away consumers, which forces manufacturing to shift overseas.

In the last election enough voters were persuaded to vote against their own basic interests on the basis of vague fears of "terrorists and gay marriages", and now look what we've got. Starting with a bankruptcy bill that's good news for usurious credit card companies and screws the average person. It ain't over yet, look who they're trying to install in the courts, even if they have to blow up the Senate to do it.

Any American here who sits out the 2006 elections deserves what we get.

We're the only industrial country in the world without national health care. Instead we pay private-sector bureaucrats who aren't even doctors, to prevent people from seeing their doctors! Is this insane or what? And now we're going to dismantle Social Security...? And look what just happened to United- no more pension, byebye!

As for junk bonds, GM and Ford just got their bonds rated as junk a week or two ago. This is *really* scary. General Motors and Ford. Holy cow...! What's going to happen to them...?


Post# 67812 , Reply# 24   5/23/2005 at 13:58 (6,911 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        

Read an interesting article in the N.Y.Times last week. The jest of the article being the belief that if we could just get all the CEO's of the major U.S. Corporations together to use their business might, they would be able to sway the health care industry and do something to lower the costs.

In any event, it is interesting that a taxpaying American citizen CANNOT go to an emergency room at ANY hospital in this country and recieve FREE medical help but an illegal alien can. Bush (quietly) signed such a bill into law week before last.

Eventually we will get some coverage-----but at what price? I just recieved an e-mail from a friend today that deals with this topic. Our country out-sources all kinds of things from automobiles to clothing in the interest of "free trade"-----but HEAVEN FORBID if an elderly person trys to go to Canada for low priced drugs to stay alive with!


Post# 67817 , Reply# 25   5/23/2005 at 14:09 (6,911 days old) by Gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA)        
Laundress-----

When I click on the link I only get a home page for Bloomberg. What do I click on from there to find the article on Maytag?

Post# 67818 , Reply# 26   5/23/2005 at 14:29 (6,911 days old) by Launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage)        

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Original story/link has likely been archived/taken down, as it was several days old.

Try searching the news archives of "google" using keyword "Maytag".

Launderess


Post# 67822 , Reply# 27   5/23/2005 at 15:51 (6,911 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        
it'll never be the same

On the price is right, up for bid," a beautiful w/d set from Maytag the dependability people in Newton Iowa"."Large capacity Maytag washer and matching Halo of heat dryer.


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