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1974 Lady K found and brought home!!
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Post# 341488   4/10/2009 at 23:04 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Today I brought home TWO machines, this 1974 Lady K and the Maytag A50 (posted in another thread). I also found this on (the evil!) Craigs List, BUT what a find!




Post# 341489 , Reply# 1   4/10/2009 at 23:05 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Close up of the console........ (ooooh, purdy!)

Post# 341491 , Reply# 2   4/10/2009 at 23:06 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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With the "garage door" closed.....






















Post# 341492 , Reply# 3   4/10/2009 at 23:07 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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Here is the model number tag....

Post# 341493 , Reply# 4   4/10/2009 at 23:15 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
No Vari-Flex here!

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According to Gordon (KenmoreGuy64) for 1974 the pulled out the Vari-Flex agitator and used the Penta-Swirl! This is a very exciting find for me, because I have always loved the look of these Lady K's!

Post# 341495 , Reply# 5   4/10/2009 at 23:27 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Clarification.... for 1974 they pulled out the Vari-Flex agi

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By "they" I meant Sears.... the addition of the Penta-Swirl was a design change for the '74 model year.

Post# 341501 , Reply# 6   4/10/2009 at 23:42 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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I guess I better show a REAL close up of the console! *wink*

Here are all the buttons....


Post# 341502 , Reply# 7   4/10/2009 at 23:43 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        

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...and the timer / water lever controls.

Post# 341503 , Reply# 8   4/10/2009 at 23:59 (5,465 days old) by alr2903 (TN)        

Wow Kevin thats a nice lady, Is that the first year for the extra large capacity, Lady? I see the the 3 clusters of drain holes and the PentaSwirl. and in Avocado....alr2903

Post# 341508 , Reply# 9   4/11/2009 at 00:17 (5,465 days old) by lebron (Minnesota)        

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Another Lady K pushbutton! Congrats! What a totally different beast inside with the XL cap and penta-swirl. How does the dispenser work?

Post# 341514 , Reply# 10   4/11/2009 at 00:39 (5,465 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        

Beautiful Lady K. It looks like it is in mint condition. Hopefully she works as well as she looks.

Have a good one,
James


Post# 341516 , Reply# 11   4/11/2009 at 01:04 (5,465 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Hopefully she works as well as she looks.....

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Yes it does!! I already did a water test.... the fill valves work great and are not clogged or restricted. All the dispensers work well (but need a thorough cleaning!) No leaks and the inside the cabinet is very clean (except next to the dispensers)!

It's not in 100% mint condition, but it is very clean.

ALSO, I did NOT realize this until LeBron (Jed) mentioned it in this thread, but this one IS the XL capacity tub! (THANKS JED!) I thought ALL the Lady K's where the std cap tubs!

Kevin


Post# 341524 , Reply# 12   4/11/2009 at 02:15 (5,465 days old) by autowasherfreak ()        

Damn you Kevin, you have the best of luck, LOL. I hope we will be seeing a video soon!

Post# 341526 , Reply# 13   4/11/2009 at 03:53 (5,465 days old) by jdinstl ()        
Beautiful washer....

...I washed many a times "at home" with a similar machine.

Which brings me to a question....when did this style of Kenmore Pushbutton come on the market? We had one, but it was not a "Lady" Kenmore. The buttons, if I remember correctly, were gold with white print, no woodgrain, no garage door, but it did have a light.

And of course, all appliances in our home were white. Always white. Heaven forbid a dash of color ever appear.

~John


Post# 341537 , Reply# 14   4/11/2009 at 05:28 (5,465 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        
Push-Button-Keyboard Kenmores....

"jdinstl"

The first ones came to market back in 1966. They started life as Lady Kenmores and as Model 900's. In fact, starting from 1966 and right up until 1968, the Lady Kenmore and the Model 900 looked similar. Difference being, the Lady Kenmore at the time had a Roto-Flex Agigator, a Three-Speed Motor,and a Chrome Looking Detergent Dispenser Cover (like the Model 900 and the 1969-71 Lady Kenmores (the first ones with the concealed garage door covers like the one Kevin has here)), has the Bleach and Fabric Softener Dispensers on the facing left of the machine under the lid, while the Model 900 (which is the machine YOU are describing you grew up with) had a Vari-Flex Agitator (THIS agitator made its debut in the #2 Kenmore (again, which was YOUR machine and the one YOU grew up with) and a cabinet matching Detergent Dispenser Cover.

The machine you grew up with was a #2 Kenmore (which is a Model 900) is similar to one Steve 1-18 has or the one Jons1077 has (he had a thread on THIS very machine last month). And it looks similar to the 1966-67 Lady Kenmore (in fact..... for a while..... the two machines co-existed in the same line up and was out during the same era) and has remained so during its entire product life cycle.

The 1968 Lady Kenmore had a taller control panel, a Cycle-Timer and a smaller dial beside the Push-Buttons on the panel with a Sliding Infinite Water Level Control Lever underneath the Push-Buttons.

The first Lady Kenmore with the "garage door" cover (like the one Kevin has here) came out in the Fall Of 1969 and debuted as a 1970 Model. And even, these models changed up at various times during its life cycle. The 1969-71 Models had a cabinet matching Detergent Dispenser Cover (just like the Model 900 had a few years before), the curved metal lid handle (that was out at the time on all the Kenmores in the line up) and colored stripes on the upper and lower part of the push-buttons (depending on how the buttons were arranged on the panel), and of course, a Three-Speed Motor.

The 1972-73 Lady Kenmore made a slight departure from the 1969-71 Models as they have done away with the curved metal lid handle and replaced it with a notched opening embedded into the lid. The colored stripes were no longer on the push-buttons, and the Triple Dispenser has made its debut. But yet, the 1969-71 and the 1972-73 models were similar at the same time.

The 1974-75 Lady Kenmore (like the one Kevin has here) has made a VERY drastic departure from the 1969-73 models. The 1974-75 Lady Kenmore has done away with the Vari-Flex Agitator, and has replaced it with the Peta-Swirl Agitator. The large capacity tub has also debuted for the first time on a Lady Kenmore (the 1969-73 models were standard capacity models). The Three-Speed Motor was replaced with a Two-Speed Motor, and the skirted Cycle-Timer was replaced with one that is more embedded into the panel (all in cost saving measures in my opinion during the 1974-75 recession). This model is the last one of this series.

In 1976, the Match-All Lady Kenmore with the Dual-Action Agitator made its debut, only this model had a Lighted Console right along with its matching dryer. It was the ONLY model that had a lighted console that year. The #2 Kenmore that year was a more striking departure from the Lady Kenmore. It didn't have the black panel top like the Lady Kenmore did. And it didn't have a lighted panel either.

Also note, the Vari-Flex Agitator has made its debut in the 1968 Lady Kenmore (two years after it has made its debut in the Model 900).

The washer YOU grew up with was a Kenmore Model 900 (which had a control panel that is similar to Lady Kenmores in general..... in that it too had a push-button/dial stop arrangement...... and a lighted console). It wasn't a Lady Kenmore, but it was a great machine nonetheless. Jons1077 has a machine that's similar to yours. We had a big thread on it here at the club last month. It is in Tawny Gold.

Hopefully, this answers all of your questions. If not..... KenmoreGuy64 (the RESIDENT Kenmore-Torian) will fill you in on the rest I may have left out (time contraints..... damn (LOL)).

--Charles--


Post# 341538 , Reply# 15   4/11/2009 at 05:34 (5,465 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        
Addend.......

LeBron (Jed) had a BEAUTIFUL Tawny Gold 1971 Lady Kenmore on here about two or three weeks ago (which looked (AND SOUNDED) like it was in mint condition). That thing ran a beautifully as it looked.

--Charles--


Post# 341555 , Reply# 16   4/11/2009 at 10:13 (5,464 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
Correction.........

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I am 99.5% sure that the Kenmore model 900 and the Lady Kenmore were the EXACT same machine! Every Lady Kenmore I have seen IS a 900 series / HAS the 900 series designation in the model number.

Also, while I cannot be sure about the 1970 models, the 1971 Lady K's had the color coded push buttons and the 1972 and up did not.

See below... the Clorox ad shows a 1971 Lady K and the photos below are BOTH 1972 Lady K's.... note: no color coded buttons.


Post# 341570 , Reply# 17   4/11/2009 at 11:48 (5,464 days old) by golittlesport (California)        
beatiful machine

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I can't keep up with you and the machines you bring home. Go, Kevin, go!!!!!

Post# 341578 , Reply# 18   4/11/2009 at 13:23 (5,464 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Kevin -

That's a great machine! I love the color, and love the '74 model in general. I hope you enjoy it! You do seem to have some of the greatest finds.

Use it in good health my friend!

Gordon


Post# 341579 , Reply# 19   4/11/2009 at 13:29 (5,464 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Kevin -

I think I just noticed something unusual, at least to me, about the agitator in your Lady. Do my eyes deceive me, or are there no little "mini-me" fins in between the five main ones on the agitator. Check your '80 machine and compare, but the two penta-vane equipped machines I have in the garage have these half-moon shapped 1/2-inch high mini vanes on the agitator base. If yours doesn't, how cool is that!?!?

G


Post# 341584 , Reply# 20   4/11/2009 at 14:25 (5,464 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Kevin / Charles -

What Charles said in his informative post above pretty much covers it. What we have called the 'keyboard' Lady K machines did originate in 1966, and were deveolpments of the push-bottom timer-stop design that goes back as far as the 1962 800 at least (I guess even to the 1961 70 that I have). The mechanism worked on the same principle that a depressed buttom sends a stop pin into the timer shaft at the proper point so that the user didn't have to even pay attention to what cycle they were passing on the dial, just push a button and turn until it stops. In some years, especially my '61, the cycles aren't even differentiated in the dial.

The very common '63 and '65 Lady Ks did a good job of establishing this fundamental design, and the '66 streamlined it into a very attractive package with yet more buttons. Initially, some of the standard cycle settings in the early push-button Ladies were rather restrictive, especially if the user wanted a cold rinse on a cotton cycle, etc. This was solved on the '66.

The '66 and the follow-on '68 continued the push-button tradition. At some point in the later 60's, at least a couple other models that were not Lady Ks, but were very "Lady K-esque" debuted, including one with a Roto-Swirl, one with a Vari-Flex, at least one with and one without 3-speeds. I am not entirely sure why Sears marketed all these, but there were four 900 series machines in 1966, I am sure the first was a Lady, and that the last two were not. I do remember hearing something years ago about a temporary shortage of 3-speed motors in the mid-60s so perhaps a 2-speed non-Lady machine had to be devised to keep warehouses stocked with something? Who knows...

I was very surprised to find that once the garage door machines were developed, the previous Lady and 900 panels were retained for the "V.P." slot. They have most if not all the same features as the '66 Lady, but with different agitation and 2-speed motors. I recently found a parts list on ebay for a '71 800 with the '66 style controls, very similar to Jon's '70 machine. My thought is that since these did not have the flip-door design, they had to be relegated to the 800 status vs. 900.

Kevin -

As to your question/comment about 900-series and Lady Ks being the same, that's a "yes and no". The 900 started in 1964 when the Lady K went to 3-speeds. There were 900s that weren't Lady Ks, but not until 1966 I don't believe, and not every year. To my knowledge, other than the 4 models in 1966 (which is very odd) there was usually only one or two 900s at a time, as compared to other series which often had a half-dozen models, per year (five 60-series models in 1972 for example). I am not aware of any other 900 series machines once the 'garage door' machines debuted.

This lasted until 1976. That year a lot of things changed, and there were three or four 90-series machines, each consecutive model one-upped the previous until the Lady. These did not offer distinct styling from the rest, and never did again really. All the panels were black-panel clones, even the lady except it had black padding on the top vs. the rest with woodgrain. Gone in '76 was the familiar push buttons. These were heavy, probably very expensive to make, and complicated. The control panel on my '72 weighs over 20 pounds by itself (I had to take it off the machine to address some of the damage from the machine's trip to the dump).

Your machine Kevin is a nice example of the last of a pedigree.

Gordon



Post# 341689 , Reply# 21   4/11/2009 at 22:30 (5,464 days old) by strongenough78 (California)        

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Beautiful find Kevin! We'd all love to see a video of her in action. And you are right, only the 1971 Lady Kenmores had the color coded buttons. My grandmothers had that. I'd love to find me a 71 someday!.

Post# 341699 , Reply# 22   4/11/2009 at 23:07 (5,464 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        
"StrrongEnough78" and "Kevin".....

"only the 1971 Lady Kenmores had the color coded buttons".

And you both are wrong too. The Lady Kenmore you both are talking about is the one which debuted in Fall Of 1969. It's in my Fall 1969 Sears Catalog. The picture in my catalog is EXACTLY the SAME one that is posted as the "Picture Of The Day" sometimes.

The 1971 models ya'll are referring to are ONLY continuation of the 1970 model. They are 1970 models that carried over into 1971. Technically speaking, there is NO such thing as a "1971 Model" per se.

And Kevin...... you cut off the copyright year when you posted that Clorox ad. I bet it says 1970 right on that ad, doesn't it????

--Charles--


Post# 341701 , Reply# 23   4/11/2009 at 23:12 (5,464 days old) by strongenough78 (California)        

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Well Charles, I'll remove my foot from my mouth now lol. I guess I shouldn't have assumed although the other year models of the Lady Kenmore I've seen didn't have the color coded buttons. But I'm sure you've been doing this longer than I have and would know more than I would lol. Thanks for the info though.
Vern


Post# 341718 , Reply# 24   4/12/2009 at 01:59 (5,464 days old) by toploader ()        

I like the tub and agitator in your LK. The tub looks slightly bigger than the one in my 72 LK. I wonder how much bigger it is. Congrats on your find. I need to CLR the crap out of my tub.

Post# 341759 , Reply# 25   4/12/2009 at 08:11 (5,463 days old) by gansky1 (Omaha, The Home of the TV Dinner!)        
You can never have enough woodgrain!?!?

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Ahhh, Penta-Swirl...

My favorite of the large-capacity agitators. One lace hankie too many and all wash-action ceases, but it's pretty to look at!

Good find, have fun playing with it!


Post# 341762 , Reply# 26   4/12/2009 at 08:26 (5,463 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
You can never have enough woodgrain.....

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Gansky.... You just wait... In a couple weeks there will be more!

*wink*

BTW.... Thanks for all the great comments! I've always liked these and was very surprised when I came across it on Craigs List!!


Post# 341791 , Reply# 27   4/12/2009 at 10:46 (5,463 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Vern -

The models you're thinking of that did not have the color-coded pushbuttons are most likely '72 models if they weren't the woodgrain '74s. See the pictures above mid-thread. All the '72's buttons are trimmed the same. These were built for two years or so, approximately until the '74s were introduced.

Gordon


Post# 341793 , Reply# 28   4/12/2009 at 10:52 (5,463 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        
Technically speaking, there is NO such thing as a "1971

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Charles,

I hate to correct you, but there is a distinct 1970 Lady K model, AND a 1971 Lady K on the Sears parts site.

The 1970 model is numbered 110.7004900 to 110.7004903. The 1971 model is numbered 110.7104900 to 110.7104903. Each machine had 3 mechanical revisions (minor things that change the parts list but not the function or features of the machine).

I haven't yet been able to ascertain what the differences are between the two models, but a somehow different model for both 1970 and 1971 most definitely existed.

Gordon


Post# 341795 , Reply# 29   4/12/2009 at 11:21 (5,463 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA)        

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So was this one of the last keyboard controled Lady K's - with a garage door?

Great find Kevin, love the faux wood buttons!

Ben


Post# 341804 , Reply# 30   4/12/2009 at 13:07 (5,463 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        
Technically speaking, there is NO such thing as a "1971

Gordon:

You are right. I say this because the 1970 had an "Enzymes Soak" Cycle Button as opposed to the "Automatic Prewash/Sani-Rinse" Cycle Button that was found on the 1971 (and probably, a later 1970 too). So..... there were IN FACT mechanical revisions even within the 1969-71 model year band.

--Charles--


Post# 341805 , Reply# 31   4/12/2009 at 13:10 (5,463 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        
"swestoyz"

"So was this one of the last keyboard controled Lady K's - with a garage door?"

Yep..... it was..... Kevin's machine was "the last of the breed".

--Charles--


Post# 341807 , Reply# 32   4/12/2009 at 13:26 (5,463 days old) by jons1077 (Vancouver, Washington, USA)        
Speaking of "pre-soak"

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I noticed this one has timer variations as well. They cut the soak down to 22 minutes from the half hour mine has.

Too bad they didn't make a vari-flex for the larger capacity machines.

Jon


Post# 341822 , Reply# 33   4/12/2009 at 14:03 (5,463 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
First wash!

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I ran a load in this machine yesterday and everything worked as it should! Whoo Hoo!

Post# 341833 , Reply# 34   4/12/2009 at 14:54 (5,463 days old) by 70series ( Connecticut.)        

Awesome money shot with the dispenser engaged. That first 4 minute interval is the best part of the cycle in my opinion. Happy Easter everybody.

Have a good one,
James


Post# 341836 , Reply# 35   4/12/2009 at 15:11 (5,463 days old) by strongenough78 (California)        

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Charles,
I'm just going by what my grandma told me in what year she bought them. One of the last times I saw her she told me she bought them in 1971. So to be honest I'm not totally sure. She still has the dryer though, the next time I visit her I'll check it out just to be sure. But I do remember hers having the color coded buttons, whether or not the buttons themselves were woodgrain or not I'm still fuzzy on. I'm thinking they weren't because when I see models with the woodgrain buttons, it looks totally different than what I remember hers having. Her's did have the woodgrain flip up door and the vari flex agitator. Thanks for the info though, but when I get a chance I'll check out her dryer to see what I can find as far as a year.


Post# 341877 , Reply# 36   4/12/2009 at 17:25 (5,463 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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Jon -

About the shortened 22-minute pre-soak: Not only did this happen to the Lady K on or about 1974, but every properly equipped Kenmore got a 22-minute pre-soak from this point on in belt-drive production. I don't know the reason for the 8-minute reduction across the board, but I suspect it was to lessen complications in timers that had experienced a rash of failures including activating low speed and high speed windings in the 3-speed motors simultaneously, which can't be tolerated more than a few seconds before the thermal protection cuts them off. I took a '70 Lady K on trade in 1993 which had this problem and it sounded like a rocket ship - for a few seconds anyway before it either would turn itself off or blow the breaker. The timer for it was $120, my cost, so the machine went to the landfill.

Gordon


Post# 341882 , Reply# 37   4/12/2009 at 17:38 (5,463 days old) by spiralator60 (Los Angeles)        
Penta-Swirl Agitator

Kevin,

What is the turnover/rollover action like with the load that is pictured in post #341822? Is it as aggressive as, say, the Super Roto-Swirl? Or is it more like a straight-vane agitator?

Darryl


Post# 341936 , Reply# 38   4/12/2009 at 20:26 (5,463 days old) by chaskelljr2 (Washington, D. C.)        

"StrongEnough78":

If your Grandmother bought her Lady K set back in 1971, then more than likely, her washer had a 3-Speed Motor, a Vari-Flex Agitator and the colored stripes on the Push-Buttons (they were still available in 1971..... but the point I was trying to make was that the machine in general was introduced as a 1970 Model back in 1969).

--Charles--


Post# 341976 , Reply# 39   4/13/2009 at 01:05 (5,463 days old) by revvinkevin (Tinseltown - Shakey Town - La-La Land)        
What is the turnover/rollover action like.....?

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Hi Darryl,

I'm not familiar with the wash-action of the straight vane agitator, so I cannot compare. The rollover was decent, not super aggressive, but it was moving pretty well.

You are welcome to come over and check it out sometime!

Kevin


Post# 342163 , Reply# 40   4/13/2009 at 22:07 (5,462 days old) by strongenough78 (California)        

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Charles,

Ahhh I get ya now. Yeah her's had the 3 speed motor, colored stripes on the buttons and the Vari Flex. Thanks for the clear up.


Post# 342164 , Reply# 41   4/13/2009 at 22:08 (5,462 days old) by strongenough78 (California)        

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Charles,

Ahhh I get ya now. Yeah her's had the 3 speed motor, colored stripes on the buttons and the Vari Flex. Thanks for the clear up.


Post# 342165 , Reply# 42   4/13/2009 at 22:09 (5,462 days old) by strongenough78 (California)        

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Oops I didn't mean to post that twice lol. My bad!

Post# 342218 , Reply# 43   4/14/2009 at 07:00 (5,462 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA)        
30 to 22 Minute Soak

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My guess would be that they needed the extra timer increments to extend the neutral drain from 2 to 4 minutes for the larger capacity machines.

Just a Guess...
MRB


Post# 342242 , Reply# 44   4/14/2009 at 10:22 (5,461 days old) by kenmoreguy64 (Charlotte, NC)        

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mrb627 -

That's a great guess, but when they did that, the spin cycles were shortened. There had been a 4-minute spin in between wash and rinse, and a 6-minute final spin. When the drain times were extended by two minutes the spins were shortened correspondingly. This was done across the board, even on timers that weren't used in large capacity models, on models without pre-wash or pre-soak, and on timers that had huge amounts of excess dead-space.

I always figured that the shortening of the spins was to lessen bearing wear (which was a problem on standard and tall-centerpost belt drives), and that the extended drains were the simplest way to leave the final cycle layout and duration unchanged. Seeing as some large capacity machines could have used a longer drain, it was a 'no-brainer'.

Gordon


Post# 342284 , Reply# 45   4/14/2009 at 14:29 (5,461 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.)        

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Shortening spin must have been a Kenmore thing. Our LDA-7800 had 4-min drains, but the spins were not shortened.

Post# 342373 , Reply# 46   4/14/2009 at 21:18 (5,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Our 1976 Model 70 large cap. kenmore we had, the final spin on normal was 6 minutes and knit/delicate & perm press the final spin was 4 minutes. I hate to say it, but the LKs I played with from 1970 to 1973 had just a 2 minute spin on normal between wash & rinse. Everything pretty much evens out when you note the 8 minute shortened soak, Perm Press was now 8 minutes instead of 12, and there was only one cool down fill instead of two. That pretty much accounts for the changes for the added. Knits remained 10 minute wash though.

Post# 342376 , Reply# 47   4/14/2009 at 21:19 (5,461 days old) by appnut (TX)        

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Even when Whirlpool FINALLY decided to put an extended soak cycle on their washers, it too was only 22 minutes. BTW, even my 1986 DD LK Shredmore only had a 22 minute presoak and 4 minutes of that was for the prewash agitation.

Post# 342389 , Reply# 48   4/14/2009 at 22:21 (5,461 days old) by toggleswitch2 ()        

~30 to 22 Minute Soak.

Theoretically this is a goood idea.

Detergents can only hold soil in suspension (in the water) for a maximum of about 30 minutes. soaking longer than that without a pre-wash and water-change first is counter-productive; dirt from underarms and inseam areas gets distributed to other parts of the article of of clothing.



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