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Post# 341787   4/12/2009 at 10:41 (5,491 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove)        

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i've seen bendix machines from 1940's, 50's and 60's but there is a gap between the 60's machines and the one more modern machines, can anyone help find the info. ps make sure you post pictures cos i would love to see the machines i have not seen as i am a BIG bendix fan, thanks
phil




Post# 341904 , Reply# 1   4/12/2009 at 18:35 (5,491 days old) by hilovane (Columbus OH)        

Are you asking about the American or British Bendix?

Post# 342002 , Reply# 2   4/13/2009 at 06:34 (5,490 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
Why not both?

 It would be interesting for us all to see both lines if somebody knows their independent histories.

Based on the pictures I've seen on this site, we had all the early American models here in Australia. I don't know whether they were made in America and shipped here, or whether parts where shipped and assembled here under licence. That went on until mid 1960's that I know of - we got ours in 1962 and it's a model I've rarely seen mentioned here, although somebody does have one (one of the members with the fantastic display in the basement? Robert?) The model I'm thinking of has the timer on the right, the water miser on the left and the soap chute in the middle, all at the front of the machine, concealed under a fold-down lid.

We also had the Italian machines from mid '70's onwards, as often shown in pictures from our UK friends.

Let's hope somebody can shed some light on what appear to be at least two Bendix family trees.

Post# 342013 , Reply# 3   4/13/2009 at 08:21 (5,490 days old) by favorit ()        
I'd like too

Didn't know all euro Bendix came from the italian plant in Brembate di Sotto.
Today Philco Italy is one of the thousand brands of the well known antoniomerloni.it (Servis,ARDO,Nardi,Eudora,EDB,Studio)

Just the time to look for one old real Philco catalogue and I'm postig some scans

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Post# 342014 , Reply# 4   4/13/2009 at 08:32 (5,490 days old) by gizmo (Victoria, Australia)        
Aussie Bendix

 I have seen a couple of old (1950s or early 1960s) Bendix washers which had metal plates attached saying they were assembled by James Kirby and Company. (Australian Assembled.)

I have also seen (and owned) 1970s models which were imported from Philco Italy.

So the change from Aussie assembled to Italian imported occurred in AU some time in late sixties or early seventies.

Chris

Post# 342037 , Reply# 5   4/13/2009 at 10:06 (5,490 days old) by favorit ()        
Philco Italy

 Philco was the main brand they sold here, Crosley and Bendix were much less common. Very reliable machines, often used by small hotels and B&B (many were both hot and cold fill, so energy savers). Big drums and large portholes were a plus when washing sheets, tableclothes and other large items

Post# 342038 , Reply# 6   4/13/2009 at 10:10 (5,490 days old) by favorit ()        
W 451

 mid eigthies

Post# 342039 , Reply# 7   4/13/2009 at 10:14 (5,490 days old) by paulinroyton (B)        
Bendix

 My aunty had a bendix in the 1970s. All I can remember it was the same size of the bendix home laundry centre. It had the powder dispenser on the top. It had a programmer for all programmes ie, prog 1, 2, 3, 4,. It also had a button which you could hold in and it would take you to the start of the wash, which was on a reel showing wash, rinse, spin. It also had lights for, wash, rinse, spin. The door was quite big, and had a drain screen at the bottom right hand side. She had this machine for a long time and was so quiet on wash and spin.

Post# 342041 , Reply# 8   4/13/2009 at 10:15 (5,490 days old) by favorit ()        
W 65 Inox

 a semi commercial washer with a 58 litres/dm3 drum [rated 6kg, not 9 as nowadays ;-) ] and stainless (inox) steel outer tub

Post# 342043 , Reply# 9   4/13/2009 at 10:20 (5,490 days old) by favorit ()        
WeD

 Combo, don't guess it's made in Italy as words on the fascia are in English

Post# 342044 , Reply# 10   4/13/2009 at 10:23 (5,490 days old) by favorit ()        
toploader

 looks a bit on the BSH side

Post# 342046 , Reply# 11   4/13/2009 at 10:34 (5,490 days old) by favorit ()        
and from BOSCH catalogue 1986 : the BENDIXX ;-)

 The V436. If BSH had been on the porn side as today (all those xxxx : Axxix, Nexxt, Logixx, Maxx and so on), this machine would be named Bosch BENDIXX *LOL*

No need to say this BOL bosch was made by philco it.
There were even cheaper BSH badged machines (i.e. SIEMENS FRIDA) made here by SILTAL

Post# 342055 , Reply# 12   4/13/2009 at 11:14 (5,490 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

As always - great brochure scans posted there.

Many thanks - really interesting seeing all those machines, which tended to be branded as both Bendix and Philco in the UK.

I seem to remember Philco's in the UK having a light grey facia, but have never seen a picture of these machines since they were on sale and a mates grandma had one.
Squeezed into a small kitchen, one of the kitchen table chairs was right in front of it - thats the chair I always bagsied! Sat with back against the wall, table to my right and a certain Philco less than a centimetre or two away from me, on my left.
lovely looking machine.

A family member and an ex- boyfriend of a cousin of mine each had these brutes:

the Bendix LT!

As a four/five year old, these were monsters of a machine, towering above standard sized machines, as well as me!


Post# 342058 , Reply# 13   4/13/2009 at 11:27 (5,490 days old) by servisslimline (England, Brighton & Hove)        
bendix

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i forgot to say at the beginning of the thread that i have a bendix 7128 wit one dial and one button which is on/off, ps, i love that philco/bosch machine

Post# 342266 , Reply# 14   4/14/2009 at 12:53 (5,489 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
Thats my daily driver

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As some of you may know the Bendix LT is my only auto washer and i use it 3 - 4 times a week! Matchbox paul do you have a copy of that full ad you could send me , my e mail is richard.mather@sky.com

Thanks

Richard

Post# 342271 , Reply# 15   4/14/2009 at 13:51 (5,489 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Richard that is a nice looking machine. Is it a combo washer/dryer?

Post# 342289 , Reply# 16   4/14/2009 at 14:58 (5,489 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
bendix lt

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Hi Yes its a 1966 washer dryer (vented) it was unused until i bought it in 2001 and is going strong !

Richard

Post# 342356 , Reply# 17   4/14/2009 at 20:40 (5,488 days old) by tlee618 ()        

Thanks for the information Richard!!

Post# 342416 , Reply# 18   4/15/2009 at 00:52 (5,488 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
Vented?

 So you're beautiful looking machine uses hot fan-forced air to dry the clothes, like a conventional dryer? That seems so sensible and saves water. My impression was that all washer/dryers needed water to condesnse out the water vapour and that they just heated the drum cavity - I didnt' realise blown air was ever used. If somebody could explain these systems (and any other variations), that would be great.

Post# 342424 , Reply# 19   4/15/2009 at 01:28 (5,488 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers)        
Nice Machine

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Richard, didn't you post a video on U tube??

Post# 342434 , Reply# 20   4/15/2009 at 03:19 (5,488 days old) by kenmore81 ()        
Aussie, Check this out

 This link shows the basic design of the average vented clothes dryer. Here in the U.S. we have very few condenser dryers. I imagine because the demand is low.
Kenny

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Post# 342437 , Reply# 21   4/15/2009 at 05:33 (5,488 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
Vented versus Condener

 Kenny,

Thanks for the link to the Vented design. Does anyone have anything on the design of the washer/dryer combos? Did the Bendix our UK friend has actually use the same principle as a conventional vented dryer? And how do modern washer/dryers work? I'm trying to understand where the need for a constant supply of water during the drying cycle comes from.

Nick

Post# 342439 , Reply# 22   4/15/2009 at 06:03 (5,488 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Hi there Nick!
In a "modern" condensing washer-dryer on top of the drum there is a small vane with a fan and a heating coil that circulates the air usually from the back to the front of the drum via a hole in the rubber seal (I have always seen those in the upper right part of it). On the back of the drum, right before the circulating fan there is a chamber in which the hot moist air is passed in a heat exchanger cooled by running water (as far as I know on some model there is a water spray) so the sudden drop in temperature makes the water vapour to condense and after this is pumped out along the cooling water. Usually this process uses between 30 to 80 litres of water per load but has the advantege that no outside air is drawn in the drum which is good if you have the W/D in a toilet or in the kitchen, also it avoid outside moisture venting, so there's no waste in air conditioning or heating.
I think that air condenser unit aren't used as there isn't enough space in the cabinet but I'm not sure as standard condensing dryers have drum as big as 120L and most are air condensing ones!

Post# 342440 , Reply# 23   4/15/2009 at 06:07 (5,488 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
My bad...

 please change:
...there is a small vane with...
with
...there is a small duct with...

I got confused with Italian "vano" witch means "compartment"

Post# 342442 , Reply# 24   4/15/2009 at 06:31 (5,488 days old) by favorit ()        
vented combos, condenser combos, blowers .....

 aussie-plug, you're right : once there were some german combos without blower (I guess made by Lepper and badged as Matura, AEG and Bauknecht). To be effective they had to heat @ hightemp and clothes yellowing was an issue.

In the meanwhile there were vented combos as these Philco/Bendix and the GHIBLI made by SANGIORGIO in IT
These saved water, but not paint & elbowgrease : one had to keep windows open while drying otherwise the room had to be painted every 6 months. The only vented combo with an exaust pipeline is that old Whirlpool in our Webmaster collection.


The solution to both issues was a condensed combo with blower.
Consider also that usually combos are bought by those who haven't much place and haven't a vent in the wall
I had a Candy 16 WD blower/condenser combo. The slow spin speed 570 rpm caused it take centuries to dry, waste plenty of power and water .... to dry

Today Miele makes the W2670 combo than uses 9 litres only while drying. BTW I'd never buy it : separate miele washer & dryer are much cheaper and faster.

Dryers
once they were vented only;
here (IT) dryers started getting popular in the last 5/6 years,once we had rare zanussi vented ones
That's why we've only condenser D, while in northern EU still there are vented ones (houses have proper vent in the wall behind the D), that are more energy-efficent

Latest D have an heat pump inside : the hot side warms the air to the cylinder, the cold side is used as condenser.
This cold condenser is so more efficent than usual air heat exchanger, that heat pump dryers are A rated (best energy savings)

Post# 342443 , Reply# 25   4/15/2009 at 06:38 (5,488 days old) by favorit ()        

Richard congrats,
your LT is a dream, your kitchen/laundry room too (what about those matching tiles & curtains ?!?)

I'm also weak about the LT fascia. It looks like some medical devices of those times :)

Post# 342445 , Reply# 26   4/15/2009 at 06:47 (5,488 days old) by favorit ()        
ore 13.45 : sono pronte le lasagne ? ;-)

 Nick, you can see what Gabriele wrote. Check pics of the other thread "and on and on.... ARISTON WD" .
It's the pic with the concrete on the tub

Forgot to say early condenser dryers in the late 70s were water condensed as combos. Later came air condensed ones

Post# 342449 , Reply# 27   4/15/2009 at 07:16 (5,488 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        
Oh Lasagne :D

 I had a light meal today as I spent most of the night at Fiumicino waiting for the plane to arrive :S and feel terrible today!

Post# 342468 , Reply# 28   4/15/2009 at 09:45 (5,488 days old) by favorit ()        
AEG Lavamat 2050 (y 1985/86)

 A freestanding/undercounter combo with framed (customizable)big door.

Here the translation of words from IT to EN (clockwise)

Resistenza elettrica = electric heater
Ventilatore = fan
Aria raffreddata = cooled air
Scarico = drain
Pompa = pump
Condensatore = condenser
Evaporazione = evaporation
Aria calda = hot air

Post# 342471 , Reply# 29   4/15/2009 at 09:54 (5,488 days old) by favorit ()        
Zanussi/Rex Combos Jetsystem Turbodry (90ies)

 The picture left is the jetsystem (spray wash), the right one the drying sys

Post# 342492 , Reply# 30   4/15/2009 at 12:02 (5,488 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
how the Bendix LT works

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Hi the drying part of my machine is vented, the one and only motor has a gearbox with 2 drives constantly running from it at the back , one to the drum ( through a 2 speed gear changer) and one to a fan which runs all of the time, when a drying mode is selected a soleniod valve opens a flap at the back of the wash outer drum allowing the ever turning fan to suck air through the drum from the heating element which is located on the top of the outer drum which directs heat down in to the front edge of the wash drum.Its very effective dryer and can be set to auto dry a wash load.
please see more kitchen pics and a link to the bendix washing (its less noisy in real life !)

Richard

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Post# 342493 , Reply# 31   4/15/2009 at 12:05 (5,488 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
more vids

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hi some more vids and kitchen pics

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Post# 342517 , Reply# 32   4/15/2009 at 15:55 (5,488 days old) by favorit ()        

I'm amazed the way that small Whirlie microwave oven matches the old AEG fridge and that beautiful range (which brand is it?).

Does your LT have interim spins between rinses on wool cycle too ? Old washers were "afraid" to spin wool. Philco was the first to understand that wool is shrunk by tumbles, not by spins

Post# 342623 , Reply# 33   4/16/2009 at 00:22 (5,487 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
Thanks everyone

 Hi Gabriele, "Favorit" and Richard,

Thanks for all the information. I understand a lot more now than I did when I started. Who makes the heat pump models you mentioned? I'd heard of something like that in Japan, but haven't seen anything like it here in Australia.


Nick

Post# 342647 , Reply# 34   4/16/2009 at 05:14 (5,487 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia)        
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Heat pump dryers use the same principle as reverse cycle airconditioners...

Miele has just released a heat pump version here - Choice have just tested it and it is more efficient and rates very well...BUT it is expensive

...and AEG and Siemans have heat pump dryers available to the European and UK markets though AEG seems to have gone from our market of late...

Post# 342654 , Reply# 35   4/16/2009 at 06:35 (5,487 days old) by aussie-plugs (Melbourne, Australia)        
Heat Pump Drying ...

 Hi Chris,

Thanks. I'll check the "Choice" web site tomorrow for that report.

Nick

Post# 342675 , Reply# 36   4/16/2009 at 08:29 (5,487 days old) by favorit ()        
also check this old, interesting thread (link)

 Found by the Searchalator (forum home page,scroll down)

AEG H.P. dryer- Here Elux has just released the REX rebadged version, so guess you'll have in OZ the Zanussi or Electrolux badged version very soon

In the meanwhile they launched in Germany the AEG ProSteam dryer, that's a rebadged Zanussi Iron Aid (uses steam to dewrinkle clothes as the LGs)

Condenser dryers (both air and heat pump types) require not only lint screen cleaning, but also heat excanger cleaning.
Bosch/Siemens models are the only ones that have a self cleaning heat exchanger.

Last thing about self-cleaning. Combos DON'T have any lint screen, so their fan/air circuit get easily clogged by lint.
Only mieles have a drying circuit cleaning cycle.




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Post# 342714 , Reply# 37   4/16/2009 at 12:04 (5,487 days old) by vivalalavatrice ()        
Che spettacolo!!!

 Grazie Carlo!!
Uno spettacolo di foto!

Really I'm impressed of the goodlooking of those machine and how can't be nostalgic about their realiability!!!!

Then apart from the extralarge drum...here you are how the "Doppio attacco" (hot-cold fill) is not nothing of new...

Very very nice the W65 model with the top control panel...:))

Buone le lasagne :)... Gabri ma le fai tu?
CIAO!
Diomede

Post# 342717 , Reply# 38   4/16/2009 at 12:15 (5,487 days old) by dj-gabriele ()        

Certo, tiro anche la sfoglia a mano! :)

Anyway, I want a washer dryer so badly! I'm against machine drying but there are some textiles that get so nice and fluffy done that way!

Post# 342718 , Reply# 39   4/16/2009 at 12:17 (5,487 days old) by ricky5050 (Durham Britain)        
no wool!

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Hi favorit the Bendix has only temp and time settings, the drum runs constantly and at only one speed (unless spinning) so its not really suitable to wool, as its agressive washing action. It does do a spin between rinses , short bursts on programme 4 (cold rinses) and longer ones during programmes 1,2,3, (warm rinses). The cooker is a New world 44 and has just undergone a major repair and i was very close to scrapping it if i didnt think it could be repaired.

Richard

Post# 342744 , Reply# 40   4/16/2009 at 14:54 (5,487 days old) by matchboxpaul (U.K)        

Hi Richard.

Totally loving the kitchen! My grandma had similar kitchen wall units, but hers had yellow rather than blue siding doors.
I had a 'Mr Men' mug (think it was Mr Strong) and that lived behind the left hand sliding door.

Truly a wonderful achievement.

Re the Bendix picture - it is a photo of the pamphlet - I dont own it. Will try and seek out the owner and will ask for you.

One final LT memory - the cousins boyfriends machine! I visited the day after it had been replaced by a Generation Innovation Indesit washer Dryer (thick chrome door - right hand drive). The LT was in the backyard waiting for final disposal and to get it out of the backdoor they had to remove the door from the machine and remove the back door from its hinges!
They truly are wonderfully massive machines.

cheers
paul


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