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Post# 342779 4/16/2009 at 15:39 (5,487 days old) by pulsator  (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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WOW! I like these a LOT!!! And they still have a heat boosted 140F wash available! I wish the whole machine was available in the different colors, not just the knob inserts and pedestals!
CLICK HERE TO GO TO pulsator's LINK 
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Post# 342780 , Reply# 1 4/16/2009 at 15:40 (5,487 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 342783 , Reply# 2 4/16/2009 at 15:41 (5,487 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 342810 , Reply# 4 4/16/2009 at 17:44 (5,487 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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| Post# 342834 , Reply# 6 4/16/2009 at 20:11 (5,487 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania ) | ||
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| Post# 342835 , Reply# 7 4/16/2009 at 20:16 (5,487 days old) by norfolksouthern () | ||
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The top loaders were selling for around $550.00, much less than I expected. NorfolkSouthern | ||
| Post# 342840 , Reply# 8 4/16/2009 at 20:35 (5,487 days old) by xraytech (Rural southwest Pennsylvania ) | ||
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| Post# 342843 , Reply# 9 4/16/2009 at 20:46 (5,487 days old) by norfolksouthern () | ||
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How much would you want for the Kenmore? Is it a belt drive? Do you have any photos? NorfolkSouthern | ||
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Post# 342847 , Reply# 10 4/16/2009 at 20:56 (5,487 days old) by jetcone (Schenectady-Home of Calrods,Monitor Tops,Toroid Transformers) |
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| Post# 342861 , Reply# 11 4/16/2009 at 21:41 (5,487 days old) by alr2903 (TN) | ||
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The timer on the right is turned to the fabric. It is electronic programs, is that correct? alr2903 | ||
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Post# 342866 , Reply# 12 4/16/2009 at 22:18 (5,487 days old) by swestoyz (Cedar Falls, IA) |
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Holly crap - I can't believe you can buy something so nice, that is made right here in the Midwest! This is exactly the boost that Speed Queen needed to get their product line-up to shine on the showroom floor. I'm sure the dealers are raving about the new offerings too! Thank you so much for posting Jamie - I now have a brand new dream set to drool over! Ben 
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| Post# 342895 , Reply# 13 4/16/2009 at 23:19 (5,486 days old) by mayguy (Minnesota) | ||
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I have to admit, pretty sharp looking machine. | ||
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Post# 342898 , Reply# 14 4/16/2009 at 23:26 (5,486 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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YeaBut | ||
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Post# 342906 , Reply# 15 4/16/2009 at 23:45 (5,486 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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Post# 342933 , Reply# 17 4/17/2009 at 01:34 (5,486 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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No SQ At Big Box Stores
But only dealers and others with realationships with Alliance Laundry. IIRC SQ sells these units through distributors who cover certain areas. Goodman Appliances (sp) covers the NYC area, and one can either go to their showroom and see products (but not order), or go to authorized dealers (Gringer Appliances is one) to place an order. SQ would not be a good fit for Lowes, Sears and or other mass market stores since nearly all of them work on volume, and apply heavy pressure to companies to bring product in at a price point that works for the store. Walmart started it now everyone does it. Also large retail stores tend to insist on variations of a appliance they sell so they can claim it is "different" from the exact same model sold elsewhere. This lets them jack up the price and or refuse to meet a lower price found elsewhere because the item is not exactly the same. | ||
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Post# 342934 , Reply# 18 4/17/2009 at 01:36 (5,486 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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What SQ front loaders have going for them is Alliance basically took a commercial washer and shoved it into a more consumer friendly cabinet. Oh they added a few features (just), and so forth, but what one is getting is a commercial front loader that probably will outlast anything else on the market, aside from the European stuff (Miele, Bosch, etc).
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Post# 343270 , Reply# 21 4/18/2009 at 06:57 (5,485 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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Excellent appliances. If I wanted wanted a new machine nowadays it would be a SQ without question. Also, for those of us here in the northeast, don't forget that John Lefever is an authorized SQ dealer. Worth a ride over to Maryland to get what you want. | ||
| Post# 343285 , Reply# 22 4/18/2009 at 09:29 (5,485 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
Knob Inserts | ||
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Post# 343287 , Reply# 23 4/18/2009 at 09:39 (5,485 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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| Post# 343315 , Reply# 25 4/18/2009 at 12:23 (5,485 days old) by douglasdc6 () | ||
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These are beautiful !!!! Only question is they are saying the machine uses 13.9 gallons of water , Is this enough water to do a good cleaning job? (Imperial) | ||
| Post# 343321 , Reply# 26 4/18/2009 at 12:50 (5,485 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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Maybe there is a way to "tweak" the water level as you can with the Frigemore machines? One of us will have to get a set to find out! | ||
| Post# 343323 , Reply# 28 4/18/2009 at 13:04 (5,485 days old) by queeny77 (BERWYN, ILLINOIS) | ||
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Post# 343337 , Reply# 30 4/18/2009 at 13:49 (5,485 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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SQ Washing Machines
May not have the cachet of a premium European brand such as Miele, but they are built like tanks, even compared to recent offerings by the former. Building a front loading washing machine that will do the job, and last more than a few years is not inexpensive. Just look at prices for commercial and or laundromat machines. Build wise there are few front loaders left sold in the US that still have stainless steel inner AND outer wash baskets, much less metal paddles intergrated into the wash tub. Oh, don't even ask about the bearings and out tub assemblies. Even Miele has moved on to fiberglass outer tubs, while most everyone else uses plastic. | ||
| Post# 343920 , Reply# 33 4/21/2009 at 12:01 (5,482 days old) by bobbyderegis (Boston) | ||
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The SQ's are just fantastic. They are the only new machines I can look at without wanting to puke. Have they discontinued the top loaders? I wonder what they will do now that the new energy restrictions are coming due? Bobby in Boston | ||
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Post# 343975 , Reply# 34 4/21/2009 at 16:23 (5,482 days old) by peteski50 (New York) |
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Speed Queen!
While I like these machines they are very over priced. I also feel for the money you should be able to get a unit with a adjustable wash time selector. But instead it's just a 24 minute wash. The only option is a extra rinse. Don't get me wrong I don't like to much fluff on these machines, but a prewash and a adjustable wash time option would make these machines perfecto. just my 2cents Peter | ||
| Post# 344037 , Reply# 35 4/21/2009 at 22:46 (5,481 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
Well they...
... don't call them "Speed Queen"s for nothing, do they? Seriously, though, at 45 minutes for a full "normal" wash cycle, you could run really nasty stuff through *twice* and it would still be faster than many high(er)-tech FLs like, for instance my Bosch Nexxt is on "Heavy Duty". That, plus these are true horizontal axis machines unlike nearly all of the machines available in the US. | ||
| Post# 344044 , Reply# 36 4/22/2009 at 00:25 (5,481 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 344145 , Reply# 37 4/22/2009 at 12:45 (5,481 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Thanks -- glad to be here!!
True horizontal axis refers to the tilt, or lack thereof, of the wash drum itself. Most US FLs are tilted a little (Bosch / Miele / Elux, 5-10 degrees-ish) to a lot (old Maytag Neptune at 15 degrees). While that means you can get a slightly larger drum in the same size box and can (sometimes) open the wash door after the cycle has started, it also forces most of the water and clothes to the back of the drum, so with big loads the contact area is uneven, at best. Horizontal axis machines have zero tilt so there's a flat plane of water + soap at the bottom of the drum, so everything has the same contact with the water. The tiny, expen$ive EU Miele 220v machines are that way, as are the US Speed Queens. I think some of the smaller Whirlpools and maybe the Frigidare Gallery are too, but I'm not sure. The link below (p2) gives a graphic of what I'm talking about. CLICK HERE TO GO TO mysteryclock's LINK | ||
| Post# 344195 , Reply# 39 4/22/2009 at 18:29 (5,481 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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Post# 344206 , Reply# 40 4/22/2009 at 18:52 (5,481 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA) |
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Random quotes from LG: "Tilted Drum and Extra Large Door Opening: Tilted drum and extra large opening make it possible to load and unload clothing more easily." "The ultra-large stainless steel drum offers extreme durability and is tilted to improve efficiency and allow easier access for large items. ..." | ||
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Post# 344207 , Reply# 41 4/22/2009 at 18:56 (5,481 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Post# 344227 , Reply# 43 4/22/2009 at 20:02 (5,481 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Like I Said
And have been saying, Front loading washing machines have always been more expensive to design and produce versus top loaders. The only way a factory is going to make money is to either build them with great quality and charge accordingly, but sell few units, or make cuts and changes in design where possible to bring the price down, then sell many units to make the money. Commercial front loaders cost several thousands of dollars, and even then BOL and MOL models don't have half the useless bell and whistles domestic as domestic units. What you are getting as a washing machine that will stand up to use, even hard use for year after year. When something goes wrong it is repaired, and the unit goes back into service. This includes but not limited to bearings, tub seals, motors and the rest. Amercians by and large were not and are not thrilled with "HE" front loaders, but they are being forced upon the populace in he name of energy savings. Americans certianly are not in the mood by and large to pay $1500 or more for a washing machine. The great old major appliance makers saw what was coming down the pike years ago, and got out of the business. General Motors, Rayetheon (sp?) and the lot did research and saw formerly "major" appliances were becoming consumer goods, and soon customers wouldn't pay high prices for what was considered a basic good. Aside from key players leaving the market, innovation and design stagnated or even ceased. Why put all that R&D money into a new washing machine when Mrs. Average Housewife wasn't prepared to spend more than "X% dollars, regardless. Another thing major applince producers learned, was that if they kept on building goods that rarely needed replacement or repair, it was killing their market. Aside from perhaps moving and or setting up house, most people do not purchase a washing machine unless the current one gives up the ghost. | ||
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Post# 344245 , Reply# 44 4/22/2009 at 21:18 (5,481 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 344246 , Reply# 45 4/22/2009 at 21:33 (5,481 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Disposable culture
NorfolkSouthern , Clearly someone needs to post some real inside Money Shots of the SQ FLs so their construction and repairability can be assessed! Any takers? I would if I had one. Launderess, Well said! The only thing I would add is that given what's happened recently I sense that the the tide may be ~starting~ to turn back towards quality and repairability vs. the highly disposable culture we've been in. In other words, people are beginning to prefer things that last and can be fixed vs. something with a lot of extra bells and whistles that may crap out after 3-5 years. Having a W/D set that is now starting to crap out after 3 1/2 years, I know I'm in that boat. And I have no idea how repairable it will be down the road, wrt. bearings, etc. | ||
| Post# 344258 , Reply# 46 4/22/2009 at 22:22 (5,481 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Good to see you here...
...suburbanmd! OK, here is my fully-qualified *personal* statement on horizontal vs. tilted performance, the latter of which I will comment on. No marketing literature required. On my machine, a late 2005(ish) Bosch Nexxt 500 series, I've noticed that its particular combination of drum tilt and paddle design means that on small loads, the back 1/2 of the drum is where the clothes get washed. On medium loads, its probably the back 3/4. When it is jammed full, the whole drum is used, but the pile is thicker in the back. After spin, small loads are rammed against the back 1/4 of the drum and back plate. On medium loads, about the back 1/2, and full on the back 3/4. ** Of course, the exception to this are my 4-year-old's socks and mini-washcloths which always seem to end up stuck in the door gasket. This does highlight the clear advantage of a tilted drum, namely the ability to open the door and toss things back into the mix that get stuck. What all of this tells me, again on my particular machine, is that most of the wash action (so to speak) occurs in the back. They wash there, they end up there, and that makes sense since it is on the downhill side of the tilt and that's where the visible water is. On really full loads, the clothes in the front are pretty much just flopping around on the drum without much / any liquid under them (but obviously on them and the other clothes.) Yes they'll turn over and end up in the back eventually, but their duration in the front is less-productive than their time in the back. Even the water scooped up by the paddles tends towards the back. Hence, my hypothesis about true HA machines vs. tilted ones. It is a nice theory, at least. Did that make sense or am I just rambling on again? ;-) | ||
| Post# 344692 , Reply# 49 4/25/2009 at 14:05 (5,478 days old) by gregm () | ||
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just bought one ! Just got a top-loader and it makes the exact same sounds / noise as the older style maytags from the early 80's and before. It appears to be of great quality ! 3 year parts AND labor warranty on everything ! I love it ! | ||
| Post# 344702 , Reply# 50 4/25/2009 at 14:34 (5,478 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Let's see it! | ||
| Post# 344725 , Reply# 51 4/25/2009 at 15:41 (5,478 days old) by gregm () | ||
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vids are on youtube Someone else, not sure if a clubmember has the videos already on youtube; you just type in speed queen washer at the you tube site and its the 2008 washer video; mine is the same as that | ||
| Post# 344734 , Reply# 52 4/25/2009 at 17:02 (5,478 days old) by queeny77 (BERWYN, ILLINOIS) | ||
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Post# 344735 , Reply# 53 4/25/2009 at 17:04 (5,478 days old) by foraloysius (Leeuwarden, Friesland, the Netherlands) |
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Post# 344897 , Reply# 55 4/26/2009 at 09:45 (5,477 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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i like the design...but a few more options would be nice...excellent warranty but we'll have to see as time goes on about long lasting for the money.....my experience has been never buy first one on the market..proto type..give it a few years when they respond to customer needs and then the changes will show up.....not to mention getting the glitches out....
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| Post# 344947 , Reply# 56 4/26/2009 at 16:25 (5,477 days old) by gregm () | ||
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pics ... here is the one I got, sorry its so blurry ??? 
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| Post# 344948 , Reply# 57 4/26/2009 at 16:26 (5,477 days old) by gregm () | ||
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console pic hopefully this one came out clearer 
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| Post# 344949 , Reply# 58 4/26/2009 at 16:29 (5,477 days old) by gregm () | ||
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inside ... ... pretty big tub ... 
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| Post# 345002 , Reply# 59 4/26/2009 at 21:38 (5,477 days old) by toploader1984 () | ||
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it would be nice to see more videos of the new speed queen top loader on youtube, a FULL cycle in hig quality! i am getting one of these machines soon, using it as my daily driver and using my filter flo for fun. | ||
| Post# 345008 , Reply# 60 4/26/2009 at 22:44 (5,476 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Cycle times and a surprise!
So I have a big, complex Bosch Nexxt 500 washer and dryer set right now, that has a much longer cycle time than the current SQ. So today I set it for a Normal Hot wash, Extra Rinse for a total of 1:10 washing time. I happened to be walking by the machine when I heard it start to drain after the wash cycle. The timer said 0:47, and that was pretty accurate with the clock-time as well. So... for those following along at home, that means the Bosh WASH time - i.e. detergent and water in contact with clothes, tumbling was... ...23 minutes. So based on that, the Speed Queen appears to actually have a slightly ~longer~ wash cycle than my Bosch. Now that's just odd. Seriously. So what the heck is the Bosch doing with all that extra time? Draining, preparing to spin, thinking about spinning, deciding if it time to spin, balancing, spinning, rinsing, repeating, etc. I really wasn't expecting that. Can anyone else with a so-called "modern" (computerized) FL chime in on what the actual wash times are -- the times from the start of the water fill to the first drain. I wish someone would post a video of a FL SQ (residential model) so we could see that. I'm now especially curious how long the transitions from wash to spin to rinse are. Shortening those could make a big difference. | ||
| Post# 345119 , Reply# 62 4/27/2009 at 16:21 (5,476 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Rinses and times
Yes, an extra rinse would bring it up to three I believe for me. I don't think water heating was used much / at all on this cycle for me because I know my hot water inlet temp is > the lower bound for a "Hot" (non-boosted) cycle. Mine is rated for a 1100 rpm spin but I don't think there should have been any excessive time required for pre-balancing because this was nearly all kitchen towels, etc. which should distribute pretty easily the first time around. I know what you mean about the prep time for odd loads though -- it really can take a while trying until it either succeeds within its parameters or gives up, which is ~really~ annoying. Strange. Here is what the SQ Imperial Manual says about their "Regular" cycle. Given the nature of their controls (simple) I wouldn't expect much variation on the times: "Use for sturdy items, like play or work clothes, towels, T-shirts, etc. This cycle includes a wash tumble for 24 minutes. The cycle has two rinses with an optional third rinse. The final spin starts with a two-minute medium spin and finishes with a three-minute high spin. The total cycle time is approximately 44 minutes without the extra rinse. " | ||
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Post# 345137 , Reply# 63 4/27/2009 at 18:19 (5,476 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA) |
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Unnecessary balancing Miele is the same way -- it goes through the preliminaries, like pulse spins, even if the particular load doesn't need them. It will extend them if necessary, but doesn't shorten them. | ||
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Post# 345143 , Reply# 64 4/27/2009 at 18:28 (5,476 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Miele Errs On The Side Of Caution
Before the final rinse, IMHO. Rather than risk the final spin never reaching full speed and or being aborted because of a pump overload (too much water entering too fast), or severe out of balance; Miele washers generally have a series of pulse spins to begin water extraction and balance the load. Have been around commercial laundromat washing front loaders that go into final spin regardless of load balance, and am here to tell you it is quite a good thing those units are bolted down. It is also a good thing such machines have no pumps, and simply "dump" their water. Truly amazing to watch gallons of water running down the door window and leave the tub as if by magic. OTHO, have heard many a complaint from owners of other front loaders that more often than not their machines never reach final spin speed. L. | ||
| Post# 345204 , Reply# 65 4/27/2009 at 23:20 (5,475 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
I am simply amazed at all the drooling and dribbling going on about the 'new' SQ machines. They are the same machines as last year with some new cosmetics. The same machines that myself and a few others have been singing praises about and defending. Throw on some new make up and everyone wants one. The wash time was extended when they made the change to the BIG door. SQ was quickly notified of the walking and vibration issues when used on a wooden floor and immediately began working on a fix for this problem. If I had waited one more month I would have had one that had the updates. Now I have to update mine. Maybe I'll take some picts or videos of that process. 24 mins of regular wash is more than enough to get the dirtiest, greasiest stained clothing clean. I do it on a weekly basis. If you get the one with the Boosted heat option it will extend that 24 min wash until it reaches the target temp of 140ish. Doing laundry is like baking. You can't just throw everything in the bowl, turn the mixer on high, throw everything in the oven on Incinerate and expect to get prefect results. The wash times, water temps, detergents, additives, clothing and soil level all play a part in the final results. Too much wash time, too little detergent and water too cool will give you bad results. It renders useless every cleaning, soil suspension/ anti redepositing and machine protection agent in the detergent. Damaging the clothing and the machine. Speed Queen and others have developed the programs for their machines to give the best results when people actually do thing correctly. If you look at the dial on the washer it has different settings, which would indicate that one should not wash everything on Regular. As for Speed Queen not selling in big box stores.. SQ does things the old school way. They have Reps who call to check on you, to help you out if you need it, they have incentives, they have sales. When we place our order it is delivered to our door and unloaded. When you have a parts or repair question we dial one number and speak to one person, there is not a phone tree, there is no push this or that to get here. You get a real, live human who actually says Sir, Please and Thank you. And they thank you for supporting their product. You can even speak to the engineer. SQ is a dyeing breed of companies who actually builds a quality product IN THE USA and stands behind that product fully. And they will only accept dealers of the upmost integrity who understands and will honor what SQ stands for and what they have spent so many years creating. That is why you won't find a SQ in a box store. | ||
| Post# 345223 , Reply# 66 4/28/2009 at 03:42 (5,475 days old) by norfolksouthern () | ||
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Is it possible... ...bypass the lid switch on the top loader? Or is it somehow synched to the auto balancer like on a Maytag to the degree where it would be unwise? NorfolkSouthern | ||
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Post# 345228 , Reply# 67 4/28/2009 at 05:39 (5,475 days old) by gyrafoam (Wytheville, VA) |
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The voice of experience------- Thank you, Surgilator_68, for the insight into what is going on at SQ. Clearly they strive to create a quality product. | ||
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Post# 345281 , Reply# 69 4/28/2009 at 12:38 (5,475 days old) by pulsator (Saint Joseph, MI) |
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| Post# 345327 , Reply# 70 4/28/2009 at 15:14 (5,475 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Updates? | ||
| Post# 345392 , Reply# 72 4/28/2009 at 22:18 (5,475 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Off balance switch | ||
| Post# 345403 , Reply# 73 4/28/2009 at 22:58 (5,474 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Updates
The problem is that the machine has so much torque when it starts to do the pulse spin routine it would make the machine jump and walk forward with each attempt. When it would jerk with so much force the basket would also strike the door glass. This would only happen when severely over loaded, improperly loaded or with a very off balanced load even after it tried to rebalance. (there is only so much a computer and sensors can do to correct user error.) So to correct the problem they redesigned the door boot using a more pliable rubber. The original design was a very thick and heavy gray rubber. They also redesigned the shocks to handle the torque and shortened them by 1/4 inch. And to further eliminate any possible remaining movement they include 4 big sticky foot pads. We have not received any complaints on vibrations or walking since. Many will argue that the spin/balance profile could have been changed and yes, it most likely could have. But doing so would have put this rather fast, no nonsense machine into the same category as most of the other machines out there that take 2 hours to complete a load, after spending 30 minutes deciding if it should spin or not. Jason | ||
| Post# 345406 , Reply# 74 4/28/2009 at 23:44 (5,474 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Over priced?
Yeah, they are a little costly. But I can't see paying the same or more for a machine made of plastic, with lots of buttons, bells and whistles that has to be junked in a few years because it's either too costly to be repaired or has had so many repairs the consumer gives up on the machine. Where is the ecological and financial sense in that? We are different than the average consumer. We want or think we want or need all the cutesy options, but in reality how many of us really use every option we have? And how many of those options could you do without before your life is severely impacted in a negative way? Personally, after spending 12 hours a day, 5 or 6 days a week fixing everyone else's broken appliances I'm glad to come home to my simple appliances that do the job without having fits or having to push 21 buttons to get something done. Except for this damn microwave. I wish it would blow up so I can justify getting another one. I HATE IT!!!! The average american household wants to get the daunting task of housework done with little effort or thought on their part. This also includes the time and money spent waiting for parts, repairs, time away from work, orgies or whatever they deem more important. Most people who understand what real quality, reliability and performance is about won't flinch at the cost of something good. There are ways to work around a missing feature, if you want to invest the extra few minutes to reset a control or to pause the machine for a soak. As for those who don't want to be without those features, well, there is a machine out there for everyone. And as the old adage goes, pay now or pay later, either way you will pay. Sometimes twice. Just my two cents. | ||
| Post# 345499 , Reply# 75 4/29/2009 at 14:26 (5,474 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Wow!
surgilator, Wow! That must have really been something to see (or run away quickly from!) I guess when they advertise the HP rating of their motor they really aren't kidding, eh? It was good of them to offer a mea culpa and an update. Broadly speaking was this done under warranty or at a reasonable cost to existing owners? Thanks for the info! | ||
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Post# 345510 , Reply# 76 4/29/2009 at 15:24 (5,474 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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A Few Notes
I used a cable tie to hold my lid switch down at the back of the machine ...there's a "L" bracket there to hold hown the top and I tied it to that.... I also wished for a faster wash speed....I wonder if there is an ugrade like the maytags....the older SQ had a faster stroke that the water would slash up from the agitator... and Yeah..my frigidaire FL spends more time adjusting the load than actually spinning and yet the timer shows 1 minute left and will take about 15 minutes to spin and comlete... | ||
| Post# 345577 , Reply# 78 4/29/2009 at 19:37 (5,474 days old) by mrb627 (Buford, GA) | ||
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Videos | ||
| Post# 345586 , Reply# 79 4/29/2009 at 19:57 (5,474 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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| Post# 345592 , Reply# 80 4/29/2009 at 20:08 (5,474 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Hi Greg!! The tub indexes because they put grease on the brake pads to stop the squeal when the machine is finished spinning and also to keep the pads from sticking to the brake drum between manufacture and final sale. It will diminish in time. You can take the brake pads off, take them outside and spray them with automotive brake cleaner. Make sure you let them dry over night before you put them back on. Also wipe the brake drum surface with a cloth that has been soaked in denatured alcohol. You have to be very careful not to get any grease, oil or other substance in, on or around the friction damper or the base plate well. If you do it will not balance properly and will make all sorts of strange sounds. The only way to fix that is to take the entire machine apart, clean the base pan, damper ring and mating surface of the tub support. | ||
| Post# 345614 , Reply# 81 4/29/2009 at 21:28 (5,474 days old) by gregm () | ||
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thanks Jason !! Hey, thats great info to have and know, thanks very much !!, I think I will just let it "wear" so to speak. I think this seems like a really good quality machine. Take care :) | ||
| Post# 345615 , Reply# 82 4/29/2009 at 21:29 (5,474 days old) by gregm () | ||
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thanks Jason !! Hey, thats great info to have and know, thanks very much !!, I think I will just let it "wear" so to speak. I think this seems like a really good quality machine. Take care :) | ||
| Post# 345638 , Reply# 83 4/29/2009 at 21:59 (5,474 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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| Post# 345806 , Reply# 85 4/30/2009 at 19:58 (5,473 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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| Post# 346155 , Reply# 86 5/2/2009 at 22:35 (5,470 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Hose length
surgilator, Since you've worked with these FLs before, a quick question. The washer door opens to the right and is not reversible. Since nearly every laundry room I've seen (including my current one) expects the washer to be on the LEFT, are the supplied hoses long enough to reach from a RIGHT position to a plumbing box on the left? | ||
| Post# 346228 , Reply# 87 5/3/2009 at 10:46 (5,470 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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| Post# 347483 , Reply# 89 5/8/2009 at 11:47 (5,465 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Commercial?
LaundryNut, Why did you choose the OPL commercial model over the home one? Was it just a case of having a commercial distributer available and no local home dealer? Are the prices and features the same? I'd love to see some pics when you get them installed. I'm interested in the stack models specifically because my current laundry room is tiny, and any extra space would be a blessing. | ||
| Post# 347486 , Reply# 90 5/8/2009 at 12:17 (5,465 days old) by lebron (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 347568 , Reply# 92 5/8/2009 at 21:06 (5,465 days old) by whirlcool (Just North Of Houston, Texas) | ||
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That SQ LTSA7A washer is exactly the same as the UniMac we have at our shelter. It's a EXCELLENT machine. But you must have paid a small fortune for it! | ||
| Post# 347577 , Reply# 93 5/8/2009 at 22:16 (5,465 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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9 or 24 ?
Do you know if the current OPL stacked machines still have the 9-minute wash that got the original home units such bad press or the new, longer 24 minute one? From what I read on the SQ OPL web site it seems like the 9er, but their docs could be out of date. Other than that, the controls / etc. look the same. | ||
| Post# 347904 , Reply# 97 5/10/2009 at 22:01 (5,463 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Pics and thermostats
LaundryNut, Thanks for the update...post some pics when you get the unit please! nmaineman36, Can you comment on the real world history / performance of auto thermostat drying vs. moisture sensors? I have a sensor-based dryer now that's slowing going mad (over-drying or leaving clothes wet on occasion) so I'm a bit ambivalent about which is better. From what I understand most if not all the older dryers were thermostat ones and folks around here have some affinity for the older gear, so... are they that bad / inaccurate or just more difficult to implement well? | ||
| Post# 347996 , Reply# 98 5/11/2009 at 08:23 (5,462 days old) by tlee618 () | ||
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Yes, please post some pictures when you get these beauties home. Thanks | ||
| Post# 348117 , Reply# 99 5/11/2009 at 16:27 (5,462 days old) by laundrynut () | ||
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Arriving Tuesday The SQ units are scheduled for delivery Tuesday AM. Won't get a chance to audition them until after work in the PM. Will try to get some pics somewhere along the line. Don't think I'll get any sleep tonight... LOL | ||
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Post# 348136 , Reply# 100 5/11/2009 at 17:45 (5,462 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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to me the thermostat in the vent pipe monitors moisture in the air...that was in my whirlpool and the speed queen...this was way better...whether one piece or half load or full load...all dried evenly now my kenmore has the sensor inside the drum and unless you have a full load in there it can't "feel" the clothes unless they touch it...you can't dry a small load or one piece...in the auto cycle the sensor gets hot and dry and thinks the load is done...only after a few minutes of drying...then you have to use the time dry cycle to get completely dry | ||
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Post# 348148 , Reply# 101 5/11/2009 at 18:13 (5,462 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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The moisture sensor on my F&P SmartLoad works very well, small loads or large. I can run jeans on the Denim (high heat) cycle or Perm Press (medium heat) cycle, at the same "Normal" dryness setting, and they come out dry (just takes longer on lower heat). Shirts/casuals on Perm Press or Delicate, Normal dryness, they're fine. I have several towels (washed separately due to bleeding and picking up lint) of a particular fabric that's odd and always comes out damp, requiring a recycle. Our 1976 Whirly dryer was in an unheated/uncooled garage, and the thermostatic auto-dry had different drying characteristics between summer and winter. Winter it tended to overdry unless the setting was cut back. | ||
| Post# 349251 , Reply# 104 5/15/2009 at 19:50 (5,458 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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| Post# 349267 , Reply# 106 5/15/2009 at 21:02 (5,458 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Thanks!
Sounds virtually identical to the home model -- that's good to know. Just out of curiosity, did you get a warranty that was at least comparable to the normal residential one out of your distributor? Did it come in one monolith-sized box or was it bolted together from two separate units on-site? Can't wait to see pics and maybe vids)! | ||
| Post# 349299 , Reply# 108 5/15/2009 at 23:44 (5,457 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
Question
FL washers are more expensive to produce, as one stated above. So manufacturers have to cut costs accordingly to increase sales, thus cheapening the product. So then, with that said, do the manufacturers just not care about their reputation? I mean, if Whirlpool wants to make Duet's as cheap as they can get by with to millions of people, then risk these machines going out in 2 years of some sort of failure, then those people may NEVER buy Whirlpool again? I mean, you would think the manufacturers would put thought into that aspect as well. | ||
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Post# 349310 , Reply# 109 5/16/2009 at 00:48 (5,457 days old) by dadoes (TX, U.S. of A.) |
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| Post# 349316 , Reply# 110 5/16/2009 at 02:13 (5,457 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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I'm not saying that they don't
care.....I just was reading some of the statements about SQ's reputation and I would love to have one of these machines. It got me thinking why would other manufacturer's not want a reputation of quality and not cheap. I guess it's a give and take. Without the lower price, they won't sell as much product. But even some of the high end stuff is cheaply made inside. Oh well.
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| Post# 349382 , Reply# 111 5/16/2009 at 15:30 (5,457 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Balancing act
I think the level of quality you see in most big-company machines is a balancing act of absolute build quality vs. cost. Clearly these big companies have the expertise to build something that's virtually bulletproof, but it would probably have to have a pretty dear price to boot. And if these big volume mfgs. did build something bulletproof, that would cause two problems for them: 1) They might price themselves out of the big-volume market by charging what they had to to recoup their parts and R&D costs. 2) If the machines were really bulletproof then they would not get very much repeat business after 3-6 years when the machines crapped out (on schedule?) and, by definition, would no longer be "big volume" companies. SQ is sort of an odd bird here -- they appear to build machines that are peers of their commercial units, price them as required and don't appear to be too concerned about getting the same customers to buy again every 3-6 years due to "planned obsolescence (/ failure)". They'd rather build a good machine and keep their overall reputation intact. Refreshingly old fashioned, eh? | ||
| Post# 349418 , Reply# 112 5/16/2009 at 19:52 (5,457 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
It is a shame...
...really that there seems to be a 'line' missing. We seem to have BOL, MOL and TOL ranges depending on where you live, but these seem to be based on 'add-ons' rather than a difference in quality. It would be good if a manufacturer chose to give us the choice. When my mother got her ASEA in 1989, I asked a couple of questions of the sales man and his answer was simple. - Miele machines (at the time) were more like a domestic version of a commercial machine. - ASEA were a more robust domestic machine. I'm not sure where either really sits today, but it would be nice to see a robust version of a domestic machine. Years ago, 'Heavy Duty' used to mean something and people were prepared to pay a little more for it. So if a mainline manufacturer, such as Electrolux, Whirlpool et.al did decide to have a line of domestic heavy duty machines that were perceivably of better, more robust build and quality than their normal domestic lines and charged say 20-30% more for them (with the same programme options) it would be interesting to know how they would go from a sales and service point of view. Miele have built their reputation on quality for the domestic market...and SQ too....though you could argue that their approaches are different, the result is the same - buyer loyalty, reliability and serice. | ||
| Post# 349505 , Reply# 113 5/17/2009 at 09:11 (5,456 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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| Post# 349507 , Reply# 114 5/17/2009 at 09:41 (5,456 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Balancing act, cost, etc
I want to believe, well I actually know that a near bullet proof machine can be built. It would not take a whole lot to make some of these machines better. If you look back when Kitchenaid had a full laundry line you can see the difference. They had better motors, the dryer belt was thicker, they had bronze bushing in the drum rollers and idler, the cabinets were galvanized and triple coated, the porcelain tops actually had porcelain on BOTH sides, the wash basket had a thicker more durable coating of porcelain. They also had the longest warranty in the business. With only a few more additions to those machines, the washer in particular, it could have been a truly near bullet proof machine. Sadly, today that is not the case. You will be hard pressed to find a machine that even has the inside of the cabinet painted!! Now how is that for cutting costs. As far as I am concerned no body can beat the quality of SQ right now. As for cost, it is actually less expensive to buy a pair of SQ than it is to buy a comparable pair of another brand. Jason | ||
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Post# 349516 , Reply# 115 5/17/2009 at 10:48 (5,456 days old) by frigilux (The Minnesota Prairie) |
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Just curious: Were vintage (60's-70's) Speed Queen washers reliable? Does anyone have a stash of Consumer Reports mags with reliability ratings? The parents of my sister's boyfriend had a late '50s SQ set that lasted at least 20 years. On the other hand, a neighbor had an early '70s pair and the washer had numerous problems. The set was gone and replaced by Kenmores by the time I went to college in '77. | ||
| Post# 349556 , Reply# 117 5/17/2009 at 17:20 (5,456 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Ktichenaid
But aren't Kitchenaid's Whirlpool's TOL (most expensive) machines? So since Whirlpool charges top dollar then why aren't they built as such? That's my question. I mean, if people want "cheaper" alternative, they can always go with Whirlpool basic. IT just angers me that Whirlpool doesn't do the same thing with "Kitchenaid" as Kitchenaid did. I think my next washer will be a SQ FL washer but my Duet seems to be doing great for over four years. We shall see.
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| Post# 349586 , Reply# 119 5/17/2009 at 18:38 (5,456 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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So the manufacturer
knows the customer will come back after their HE FL washer breaks? Yeah, but how do they know they will come back to the same brand, since they just bought a machine for a grand that broke after 4 years, then they replace it? Wouldn't the manufacturer worry the customer will go with another company since the durability just wasn't there? My point being that if my Duet conks out, I'm not buying another Whirlpool. I would think the manufacturer would take that into consideration to keep future customers. True I NEVER have seen an ad for SQ...EVER! Makes perfect sense. | ||
| Post# 349634 , Reply# 121 5/17/2009 at 22:03 (5,456 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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Yes
What you're saying does make sense. I've just read so many online reviews of disgruntled people who bought something and the usual example would be "broke after 15 months" "I will NEVER buy another GE again!" etc. I wasn't as aware the brand loyalty was as strong with appliances/cars as with food but I guess I'm wrong there. As for people wanting an excuse to get something newer/better after a few years is just the way things are now I suppose. Interestingly enough, there is an appliance store here in Lexington called ADI. It's the same company that serviced my duet and installed my dishwasher. They sell SQ's. Unfortunately they don't list their prices on their website. | ||
| Post# 349665 , Reply# 122 5/17/2009 at 23:56 (5,455 days old) by autowasherfreak () | ||
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I do like the simplicity of the control panel in the very first picture, just your basic cycles. My Frigidaire has a lot of weird cycles that I don't even use. | ||
| Post# 349698 , Reply# 123 5/18/2009 at 03:45 (5,455 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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Laundry Nut not just local store they use it here too and all over the southwest. | ||
| Post# 349711 , Reply# 124 5/18/2009 at 06:24 (5,455 days old) by laundrynut () | ||
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I had no idea ..that Syms was nationwide. I've always assumed that Cy and Marcy were just local. Well, at least they come across that way on the TV. | ||
| Post# 349714 , Reply# 125 5/18/2009 at 06:29 (5,455 days old) by laundrynut () | ||
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mark wpduet I'm curious. Does ADI stock any SQ products? Can you walk in and actually view a SQ washer? | ||
| Post# 349729 , Reply# 126 5/18/2009 at 07:33 (5,455 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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I hear that very statement from my customers on a daily basis. BUT my old one lasted 20 years before it ____________ (whatever it did.) That was 20 something years ago. Things were made differently back then. Quality control was better, materials were better, the cost of living was lower, the wages were too for that matter. People have strong brand loyalty. I remember hearing stories about the first washer my great grandparents bought. It was a Whirlpool, and of course because of that my grandparents bought Whirlpool, my parents and Uncle bought Whirlpool, his children bought Whirlpool and until the last 5 years or so I bought Whirlpool. Of course I have worked on and owned all of the major brands, but when it came time for something new it was made by Whirlpool. So brand loyalty can and will go on for generations. Sometimes even when you are treated badly from the Manufacturer. | ||
| Post# 349732 , Reply# 127 5/18/2009 at 07:42 (5,455 days old) by surgilator_68 (Maryland) | ||
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Kitchenaid
KA was and still is the TOL. I think it was discontinued because they weren't making the money on it that they wanted. It was also a very poorly marketed product line. When people would say they don't make 'em like they used to, we would always say buy a Kitchen Aid. Sadly the marketing department dropped the ball on it. Like so many other great things that have come and gone. When KA was in the laundry business, how many commercials and ads did you see? Do you remember the Polara range? How many commercials did you see for that? How about the Briva in-sink dishwasher, the list could go on and on. These manufacturers do make some great products but aren't marketed properly and then they get pulled. | ||
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Post# 349757 , Reply# 128 5/18/2009 at 09:58 (5,455 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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made like they used too...
my sister had her SQ solid tub from 1970 to 1988...needed a belt and a pump impeller during her ownership...she only got rid of it cause she wanted something new...and gave her SQ away...not to me of course... the new SQ TL may have the same agitation stroke...but I still want the solid tub and overflow rinse and the bangging solenoids...that's what was used in laundromats and what really lasted....how many laundries did you ever see those machine ever break down after hundreds of loads back to back...I only seen one.... my next set will be a SQ but I will miss all the unique wash performance of the old ones | ||
| Post# 350649 , Reply# 129 5/21/2009 at 14:47 (5,452 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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| Post# 350655 , Reply# 130 5/21/2009 at 15:15 (5,452 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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SQ Top load water level on max setting
Someone mentioned above that the new SQ TL lowered the water level a touch due to energy standards. This is a vid on youtube it looks like a nice max fill to me. I never thought I would ever consider getting a TL again but I'm considering a SQ if my Duet ever dies and the repair is outrageous. I had no clue they did a spin dry....I love that CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark_wpduet's LINK | ||
| Post# 350669 , Reply# 131 5/21/2009 at 16:39 (5,452 days old) by gotwasher (minnesota) | ||
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sq front loader Hi all john from mn i was at at local laundry mat that had sq low end front loader some were running in spin and thier bad bearings roaring away. i think elux fride made them they sure look alike but in they very good machines i like thier top loaders and high end front loaders. | ||
| Post# 350785 , Reply# 133 5/22/2009 at 11:52 (5,451 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey) | ||
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Ratings As a guideline the Speed Queen Model CTSAOA[W]N was only rated AVERAGE in washing ability, and is near the bottom of the list accoring to the latest ratings. | ||
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Post# 350807 , Reply# 134 5/22/2009 at 14:23 (5,451 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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Brand loyalty...an educated consumer...I really like to hear customers complain about a bad kenmore...never to be bought again...and then chose a whirlpool cause their better built!...educated my a$$ I have a buddy who builds chryslers in delaware....a sworn GM man My father worked for american motors...insisted we all own them...kinda re-investing into a company he worked for...for the most part the ones we had ran good...not to mention having your own built in mechanic who knew them inside out...all 3 brothers know automotive like the back of their hand...I do too...but prefer to work on washers first...yeah, I had to be the ODDBALL!...until theirs breaks and then they call me!...lol | ||
| Post# 350808 , Reply# 135 5/22/2009 at 14:36 (5,451 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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| Post# 350835 , Reply# 136 5/22/2009 at 18:37 (5,451 days old) by djmjlcst (Bloomington, Illinois) | ||
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Model CTSAOA(W)N??? Hey Ryanm, I couldn't find this model on the SQ website. Could this be an old discontinued model? You stated this one on the latest ratings. As mysteryclock asked - whose ratings are these? No matter what the ratings state, I still love my SQ washers and dryers. - Mike L. | ||
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Post# 350873 , Reply# 138 5/22/2009 at 21:51 (5,451 days old) by suburbanmd (Maryland, USA) |
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LaundryNut, you mentioned an out-of-balance problem in another thread. Is that on the SQ, or another machine? | ||
| Post# 351533 , Reply# 140 5/25/2009 at 14:09 (5,448 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
SQ's are not that expensive, two grand for a basic front-loader and dryer (OTD). Much less than an LG piece of junk. You just need to know an authorized dealer. SQ uses Potter Distributing, so if there is a branch near you, you can get them drop-shipped by a dealer. I love SQ's, last appliance with a real warranty, but I would not get a top-loader, a good used DD is just as good. Cough up a little more and get a front loader. matt
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| Post# 352079 , Reply# 142 5/26/2009 at 23:23 (5,446 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Laundrynut
Having used front load machines now for well over 20yrs, I can say that, with one major exception, you can and should mix the size of what you put in and the weight of fabrics (assuming cotton/cotton, synthetic/synthetic). In almost every load of colours that I do there is at least a pair of jeans, track pants or tops along with much lighter items such as t-shirts, shorts etc and we don't have spin issues. Two things to consider.... 1) avoid washing sheets with bath towels. They can get wrapped together and create a heavy, wet ball....hard to spin and can cause a bad out of balance. and... 2) Fill the machine. If you are putting less than 1/3 of a drum of clothes in (i.e. 1/3 up the door glass) there may not be enough in it to create a properly distributed load especially if you have only 1 heavy item. Try filling to at LEAST 2/3 up the door (and preferably 3/4 or higher to make the most of the capacity) and you should notice a difference. Finally, when I bought our first front load machine, an ASEA (Asko today), I was told by the specialist retailer to 'fill it until the drum moves back and forth and I mean right to the top of the drum - that is FULL. Now remove 1 medium sized item, say a polo shirt. You're ready to go.' The drum should only start moving back and forth (as opposed to rotating) if you are putting too much in...or forcing it in. Following those instructions, neither my mother or I have ever had a problem from ASEA, Hoover, Blomberg, Westinghouse/Electrolux/Zanussi, Fisher and Paykel/Beko or Electrolux. | ||
| Post# 352117 , Reply# 143 5/27/2009 at 01:58 (5,446 days old) by mark_wpduet (Lexington KY) | ||
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So you're saying
Don't wash 5 pair of jeans together, but rather mix some other color clothes and toss a couple of pair of jeans in with? I've always been told the opposite. I wash lights, whites, darks, jeans. The jeans load in my Duet did tend to vibrate more so than the other loads though. Unfortunately, you need to dry jeans together, or else lighter items will dry more quickly.
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| Post# 352124 , Reply# 144 5/27/2009 at 02:43 (5,446 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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No...
Washing multiple pairs of jeans such as you mention should be fine I would have thought. We don't own 5 pairs between us. Here is the contents of a 2/3 capacity load of washing for me just remember that it is a European sized machine though and smaller than yours. 1xJeans 1x track bottoms 5x tshirts 3x gym shorts 5x underwear 15x pairs of dark socks We also have a smaller, European sized dryer and from a purely personal point of view, I rarely fully dry jeans in it. I tend to put them in with 'the load' of socks, underwear and the odd 'too large' tshirt and take them out half dry. So not doing a load jeans as such has never been an issue for us 
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| Post# 352139 , Reply# 146 5/27/2009 at 05:55 (5,446 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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Favorit...
...Correct, I was referring to cottons As I mentioned, we don't have large quantities of denim. I do separate into whites, darks and lights though, but have never have an issue with white lines on anything since we moved back from the UK no matter how much I put in the machine. I put this down to the powders I was using in the UK more than anything else. I always used calgon gel in the UK and found that the problem was much reduced when I switched to Surf or Persil. We do have very soft water here though and our powders are designed to disolve in cold which could make a difference. | ||
| Post# 352279 , Reply# 148 5/27/2009 at 14:01 (5,446 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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| Post# 352312 , Reply# 149 5/27/2009 at 15:13 (5,446 days old) by rayjay (Carteret, New Jersey) | ||
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Model CTSAOA(W)N??? Hi Guys. The ratings were on Consumer Reports on their website. They should be out in publication soon. The top two were: 1 Samsung Model WF448AA 2. Electrolux Wave Touch. | ||
| Post# 352383 , Reply# 151 5/27/2009 at 18:56 (5,446 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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I have no idea how the cu ft measurement works ultimately, but... Miele's W3000 series is 2.53 cu ft. The same basic machine here is rated at 6.5kg which is now at the lower end of capacities but still large enough for most. The majority of front load machines here are now rated at 7kg or more. Some makers have smaller machines, such as Miele (all), Bosch (about 50%), indesit and random offerings by Aldi (Stirling)...There are also larger offerings from Electrolux (8kg), LG (up to 10kg), Samsung (up to 10kg), Fisher & Paykel (8kg), Ariston (8 or9kg), Whirlpool (8.5), Maytag (8.5kg) 3.3 cu ft sounds like it would be around 8kg which is not exactly small. | ||
| Post# 352390 , Reply# 152 5/27/2009 at 19:25 (5,446 days old) by sudsman () | ||
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As a general rule 6 to 6.25/lbs per cu ft is how rating is determined. 2.84 would be about 18/lbs 2.53 would be about 16/lbs 3.3 would be about 20/lbs Any Questions class? | ||
| Post# 352394 , Reply# 153 5/27/2009 at 19:46 (5,446 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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mmmm...... Well at 6lb per cu ft, that still makes it a LARGE machine. Tell me, does anyone ever use the FULL capacity with the exception of washing a comforter. iheartmaytag commented that there are some machines with 4.7 cu ft capacities...that is at least 28 lb of dry laundry (or 12kg+) which is a HUGE amount to wash in one hit and I can understand why machines are not coping from a 'spider' and/or bearings perspective. Or washing properly for that matter if the cycles are short...bearing in mind that 'short' for me is 55min (2/3 capacity and cold - yuck - or 68min warm) and my maximum capacity is about 1/2 that. Surely short (and effective) for a machine of that size would need to be much longer even at 2/3 capacity? | ||
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Post# 352404 , Reply# 154 5/27/2009 at 20:15 (5,446 days old) by launderess (Quiet Please, There´s a Lady on Stage) |
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Well According To Miele
At least with their older washing machines, use of full capacity (normal cotton cycle) was encouraged, indeed that is what the machine was built to withstand. However full capacity (about 11lbs), did not and does not today mean over filled. The wash action on many good front loaders actually is best at or just below full rated load. This also uses energy and water to the fullest as it takes as much energy on average to heat water for 5lbs as 11lbs (give or take). IIRC, SQ is one of the last if not only front loaders sold for American domestic use still having SS inner and outer tubs, along with non-unit tub and bearing assembly. Therefor like their commercial counterparts, when or if a SQ front loader should need a bearing replacement the job can be done. If a consumer would be willing to pay is another matter. | ||
| Post# 352410 , Reply# 155 5/27/2009 at 20:25 (5,446 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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I agree with you Landeress. Machines should be engineered to work at full capacity all the time. The reality is that most of us (well in Oz and the UK) tend to wash around 4.5kg or 10 lb at a time. This is why I commented at 2/3 capacity...a 'normal' load i.e. average washed is about that in my machine. I am a firm believer that washing at LEAST 2/3 capacity gives the best results in my machine, and I gather in the Miele too....it also lets the machine distribute and balance correctly. As I mentioned before in an earlier post, 1989 '......I was told by the specialist retailer to 'fill it until the drum moves back and forth and I mean right to the top of the drum - that is FULL. Now remove 1 medium sized item, say a polo shirt. You're ready to go.' The drum should only start moving back and forth (as opposed to rotating) if you are putting too much in...or forcing it in.' | ||
| Post# 352588 , Reply# 158 5/28/2009 at 03:51 (5,445 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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| Post# 352628 , Reply# 159 5/28/2009 at 08:38 (5,445 days old) by laundrynut () | ||
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a teaspoon here... a half teaspoon there... a 1/4 cup white vinegar. It's a cooking class, don't you know. Didn't the term "sour" evolve out of the word "sourcide?" | ||
| Post# 352633 , Reply# 161 5/28/2009 at 08:48 (5,445 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Capacities
Thanks for the info Guys & Laundress From what I deduce then is the 3.3 cu. ft. should be about equeal capacity to my current TL machine. Guess I would still have to take the king-size comforter to the laundry and use their big-honking-machines. If it weren't $4.00 a pop, I could sit and watch that triple loader all day. I was looking but didn't see anything on the website. Does the SQ FL have an internal heater? And I know someone asked, but I don't remember seeing the answer; Is the door reversable? My laundry has the washer on the left. | ||
| Post# 352648 , Reply# 162 5/28/2009 at 09:38 (5,445 days old) by everythingold (Grand Rapids, Michigan) | ||
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| Post# 352720 , Reply# 163 5/28/2009 at 14:07 (5,445 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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I just contacted the SQ dealer in our area, Lytton's Appliance. He told me that the doors are not reversable, but that you can order a left hinge or a right hinge when you order. He said that they don't stock the FL machines because they are also a Whirl-crap dealer and that some people will buy the space ship styled machine over the plain Jane workhorse most of the time. Also the Whirl's are priced less, and most people look at the price tag and perceive price/value without considering the workmanship. He said that 99% of old Maytag owners are attracted to the SQ because they like the quality. He said the machines for home are, like what was said in an earlier post from someone else, the same machines as in a Laundromat without the coin slot. Cost? He said that it would be around $2,000. | ||
| Post# 352782 , Reply# 165 5/28/2009 at 17:30 (5,445 days old) by favorit () | ||
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I still can't get used to see .. ...a Zanussi washer with a Westinghouse badge :-) Here in IT the White-Westinghouse badge is used by Smeg for BOL, non-design appliances. | ||
| Post# 352786 , Reply# 166 5/28/2009 at 17:39 (5,445 days old) by favorit () | ||
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LCB : which bath is better ?? here in EU LCB is dispensed in a separate bath (usually 1st or 2nd rinse). If i'm not misunderstood, US household machines add it in the main bath along with the detergent. If that were true, doesn't LCB & detergent "cancel" each other ?? | ||
| Post# 352810 , Reply# 167 5/28/2009 at 18:38 (5,445 days old) by ronhic (Canberra, Australia) | ||
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In Australia....
...Westinghouse is a part of the Electrolux group and from a white goods perspective they are mid-range machines...or they were until Electrolux stopped importing rebadges machines as Westinghouse. Effectively, we had Simpson as basic machines, Westinghouse as Mid-range and Electrolux as top of range when talking about Fridges, washers and dryers. For cooking, you can add Chef between Simpson and Westinghouse.. The washing machine pictured has an amazing amount of versitility compared to some. | ||
| Post# 352984 , Reply# 168 5/29/2009 at 09:10 (5,444 days old) by mysteryclock (Franklin, TN) | ||
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Lefty or righty? | ||
| Post# 352997 , Reply# 169 5/29/2009 at 10:37 (5,444 days old) by iheartmaytag (Wichita, Kansas) | ||
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Dryer doors are reversable per website | ||
| Post# 353019 , Reply# 170 5/29/2009 at 11:51 (5,444 days old) by laundrynut () | ||
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LCB is not supposed to be used with enzyme detergents in the same bath, as it will cancel the affects of the enzymes. I understand that oxy bleach is OK with enzymes. | ||
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Post# 357905 , Reply# 171 6/18/2009 at 09:28 (5,424 days old) by yogitunes (New Jersey) |
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BIG QUESTION.... | ||
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